Patriots Unfiltered 5/8: Rookie Minicamp Preview, Filling the Roster, Offseason Talk

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Speaker 3 (00:18):
To see the boys out there getting some work in.

Speaker 4 (00:20):
You know, they're very excited to see dude.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
How's your cousin? Maybe you'll recreate their podcast right there
in the stage.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
Dude, have them do a podcast on dudes on stage
at the Hall of fay h Again, it is not
a great name. I don't tell you what to do.
I thought you hated that opinion. Okay, yeah, you don't
think that's a difference. You were mad at everybody.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
I'm not mad. I'm just surprised, said I was surprised.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
You said you were mad at the beginning, I said,
I was surprised. I think the quote was I'm upset
that they didn't think like me.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
I thought that the fans would think the way I
was thinking. Say, okay, vinitary first, a difference between me
and you.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
I don't tell people how they should think. This is
back to you requiring people to learn about the history.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
You probably thought the SS minnow was a little fit.

Speaker 4 (01:10):
That one I knew.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
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Speaker 1 (01:23):
All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Thursday here
at Jill's Stadium, and it's kind of a sad day
in Boston sports. And of course I'm talking about the
Tristan Cassas injury derailed the red flat no Celtics. I

(01:43):
was telling somebody today, I think it was you, Evan.
It doesn't approach seven when the Patriots lost to the Giants,
but if they lose to the Knicks in the series,
it'll come close.

Speaker 4 (01:55):
It'll come close, and not even in the same stratif
that be a bigger upside.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
Yeah, absolutely, there's a bigger difference between the two teams.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Yep.

Speaker 6 (02:06):
I mean, I know we don't want to talk Celtics,
but yesterday I was in the middle of just a
rager between all y'all going forward, and Paul was just
in his element, Like I've never seen Paul.

Speaker 3 (02:16):
So excited as like he's facilitating arguments.

Speaker 6 (02:18):
Left him right, He's on Fred's side, He's on Evan's side,
and Matt Smith, no socks comes in.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
I was switching Allegiance, lighting everybody.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
He was like, isn't this Greg, We're all arguing.

Speaker 6 (02:28):
I love it so after I saw the result this morning,
of course, because I did not watch the game last night,
I was like, oh boy, we might be in for
it today, but so far so.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
Like legitimately woke up this morning, I watched a little
won the game.

Speaker 7 (02:40):
Well, I watched the little last night.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
I thought twenty point leads were safe and I was like,
this is never gonna happen. Twice in the third quarter.

Speaker 8 (02:47):
Evn't had a tweet. I sat there the same time
out down Eat.

Speaker 4 (02:51):
I sat there in silence for the last like eighteen
minutes of the game time dead face, and at one
point Jess was like you alive and I was like
I can just feel it, like this is this year
comes the same movie again.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
Yeah, I'm not surprised you you didn't watch, because I
know you don't really but you generally didn't know who
won it. Well until this.

Speaker 4 (03:12):
Morning, I said, I wish I was more like that,
Like I wish I was deuced in this situation.

Speaker 9 (03:20):
I really did.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
I love I mean, I love watching.

Speaker 7 (03:23):
I did watch a little bit.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
I just I mean, I assumed that it would go
to plan, but it did not.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
Yeah, I was actually mad last night. I was I
was like, this is ridiculous, this is so unnecessary.

Speaker 8 (03:34):
I was mad the first time last night. I was
like the audacity of them things. They deserve it.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
Yeah, okay, okay, you know, uh Oklahoma lost and Cleveland lost,
like these things happened, but to do it again and
I don't care what the other teams did to do
it twice. Like I was angry.

Speaker 8 (03:54):
I was angry and want a man basketball to this kid.
But oh shout out to the listener. I didn't get
into like any Twitter fights, but I was going back
and forth with it because I said that the Celtics
should just stop like throwing up these threes in the
first game, and some guy like quote tweeted me and
was like they would lose the game if they did that, FYI,
and like was just being lame. So I was going

(04:16):
back and forth with him, and he was just like,
the shots aren't They're just not falling, and I'm like, okay, yeah,
it has nothing to do with the Knicks defense, like
totally taking them at a tempo. But okay, but one
of our listeners was like, I need the sound drop
from pu here you know which one. I was like, yes,
I wish I.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
Could just well, Anthony says, they just want to say
a shout out to Alex. She's been one of the
only people on Celtics Twitter who has been confident in them,
critical of them, and also gave props to the Knicks
rather than discredit them. Signed a Patriots and Knicks fan.
How can you be a Patriots, Oh Patriots a Knicks fan?
I thought he meant Celtics.

Speaker 8 (04:50):
Well, people are like a delusional they really are, Like
the shots will fall eventually, the shots just starren't falling,
and it's like the Knicks were literally built to content.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
Me eventually the next game. In this game, they're not falling.
Adjust and you.

Speaker 8 (05:03):
Know you have bridges, you have heart, Nobly like they
are very elite wing defenders.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
I'm not going to Man's playing anything because I don't
want to get yelled at by you. But this has
very little to do with the Knicks.

Speaker 8 (05:14):
Very I disagree.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
I disagree Jason Tatum's standing all by himself in the
corner to take a wide open shot for twenty minutes
to load it up and not even coming close to
making it. Has nothing to do with the Knicks.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
But he don't get me on the rebounds. Of his
rebounds is everyone they take like twelve he gets credit
for that.

Speaker 8 (05:32):
Tatum's like twelve for forty two, He's like for forty
something this series. That can't have nothing to do with
the Knicks. They're totally taken them out of their game.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
Sixty three pointers in the last two playoffs. He ranks
fifty eighth.

Speaker 8 (05:47):
And they need to play game.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
They only play two games the move.

Speaker 8 (05:50):
They need to run sets instead of settling for just
stupid three where they play and they should change that.
They should make adjustment.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
I agree that he doesn't have anything to do with
the Knicks. It's it's how they play.

Speaker 8 (06:02):
They've they've purposely built this team to defend the compete.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
In the regular season, but come back from twenty point
deficits in the postseason like this is just.

Speaker 8 (06:12):
Well, the Celtics are the more talented team and that
has allowed them to get out to these big leads,
but they're not executing. The Knicks are executing, and that's
why they're coming back.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
It's well, when you miss fourteen shots in a row
in the fourth quarter. That's not defuse.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
When you're that much better and you get a twenty
point lead twice in a row, there's something wrong with you,
not not, there's something good with them.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
I give the rhythm.

Speaker 8 (06:38):
The Celtics control the tempo when they play the way
they should be playing, and the Knicks have totally taken
that ability away from them.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
All right, So the Knicks are a better team then.

Speaker 8 (06:48):
No, I don't think that. I still think the Celtics
could win.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
These teams aren't close and talent.

Speaker 8 (06:53):
I still think the Celtics could win the series.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
I do too, But they sound like this. We sound
like arrogant Boston fans. But they're not. These teams are
on close, the Celtics, they're the ball.

Speaker 4 (07:04):
I mean they are quite early, the Celtics close. If
the Knicks have a two oh series lead, you can't
just say that the Celtics are.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
So much better.

Speaker 4 (07:15):
They're a better team.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
Better.

Speaker 8 (07:17):
Yeah, talent, they're not executing.

Speaker 4 (07:20):
The usually not in that lead to go to the like,
especially over the course of a seven game series. You
don't see a ton of upsets happen in the NBA
because the better team over a seven game stretch is
gonna win four out of seven.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
That's why I still think the Celtics will win. But
I'm not going to be stunned if they don't.

Speaker 4 (07:36):
I mean it really just I know there's a lot
of people that like, have you know, the minutia conversations
of all these little details, and like if the Jays
don't play better, they're not going to win. Like it's
it's really that simple. I mean, like that's the sport. Like,
if they're your best players don't play better, they're not
gonna win. Like Jason Tatum and Jaylen Brown in Game

(07:57):
one the second half for five for twenty two. They
were one for ten in the fourth quarter last night. Like,
if they play like that, they're they're not gonna win
the series.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
Ye, all right, let's talk Patriots. Rookie mini camp is
getting going tomorrow tomorrow. We'll have access, so we'll be
out there and reporting what we see.

Speaker 7 (08:15):
Yeah yeah, yeah, last year we did.

Speaker 6 (08:16):
It was about an hour, little seven on seven, but
a lot of getting the rookies to understand how practice goes,
where we want you to be.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
It's it's a lot of that stuff logistics.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
It's not a real practice. Yea, it's not real practice.
It's in shorts. I think they're going to be inside
because it's going to rain, so rather than just you know,
being the elements, you want to like have you know,
an environment where you can teach and instruct and so
they're going to be inside tomorrow.

Speaker 7 (08:46):
It's a lot more exciting.

Speaker 6 (08:46):
Last year when you had a rookie Drake May, that
was the big thing because no matter what Drake May
was doing last year, you'd be interested.

Speaker 4 (08:51):
Well, it's also just like even when they get into
seven on seven, no disrespect at all to Ben Woolridge,
but like we're not none of us are there to
watch Ben Woolridge. Whereas last year you had May, you
had Pulton Baker, like like they had.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
A lot of like throw it to Kyle Williams just
we want to see Kyle Wims start to him.

Speaker 4 (09:08):
J Wilcox, Right, Yeah, I mean usually they throw in
in the NFL, they throw in like one to seven
on seven, usually towards the end, just to like seeze everybody,
you know, players included. I'm sure it's.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
Like, well Campbell's nobody, no sacks allowed.

Speaker 7 (09:22):
It's gonna be great tomorrow for him.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
Great start, no pressure, no pressure, right, So that'll be tomorrow, uh,
and then they'll also be practicing on Saturday.

Speaker 6 (09:34):
Three day camp and then we should see not next week,
but the week after OTAs will start, so we'll get
ot as for three weeks before mini camp, so that'll
be full team access to I think it's so what
it's voluntary at that point still, right, so see who
we see, but I mean a little probably a little
bit more interesting because you have some vets there kind
of know what they're doing.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
And then next week on Wednesday, the league is releasing
the schedule eight o'clock on NFL Network, So that'll be interesting.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
Yeah, it's uh.

Speaker 6 (10:03):
I always think it's interesting to go back and after
the draft and look a little bit at the schedule
because it just changes a little bit. You see teams
now that you're going to see some you know, rookie
players that have changed some of the dynamics a little bit.
But the Patriots schedule, man, it is it's winnable. I mean,
it's just not a great schedule.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
Well they're looking at us too, and they're saying, right,
our schedule it's winnable.

Speaker 6 (10:22):
And it goes back to a Raable, I think said
when he got here, which was beat the bad teams,
you know, take advantage of bad football.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
But you know the Steelers very different trade.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
Of pickens over under primetime games too, and a hey.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
I go under on that.

Speaker 7 (10:37):
Yeah, if you said one and a hey, I might.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
Go over on maybe a Thursday in the month.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
You got to get a Thursday, right, so yeah you
have to have that Thursday.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
Yeah outside of the Thursday Thursday.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
Yeah, I think every team has to have a Thursday. Now.

Speaker 3 (10:51):
Yeah, that's where I the schedule releases, where I pull
a deuce. What's that Thursday morning? I find out what
the schedule well.

Speaker 7 (11:00):
Doing We're doing a video Thursday at eleven, so look
at it.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
By then, I am, yeah, I get to do it. Okay.

Speaker 4 (11:07):
He acts like we don't include him.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
Don't. I don't.

Speaker 3 (11:11):
In fairness, I don't act like you and Mike don't
include you.

Speaker 4 (11:15):
Bring all the equipment, every next thing you have to come,
like like every other wake up check out.

Speaker 8 (11:22):
They leave to radio without you, and I'm like, Paul,
you come on his.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
Cross It's like he's got his glasses on.

Speaker 7 (11:29):
He's in the crossrooms.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
Yeah, but I'm going to die the Crosshe of course,
that's that's a nine am.

Speaker 6 (11:37):
But the point I was trying to make them going
way back was Steelers trading pickings. Uh, kind of the
big news of the last couple of days, which I'm
sure we'll get some calls about people.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
Being that Mike do So trade you got to rid
the potential headaches. Well well, aside from clear, it's been
really interesting.

Speaker 6 (11:56):
It's been really interesting seeing some of the history though
of the Steelers when they've traded away good wide receivers
and how their production has fallen off a cliff. So
it's a little bit of a buyer b You were
a kind of situation when they got rid of Antonio
Brown ju Ju And there's a number of examples that
people laid out, some more interesting than others.

Speaker 3 (12:13):
I'm going to guess they left Emmanuel Sanders off that list. Ah, shoot,
I think he was on there though.

Speaker 4 (12:19):
He was great.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
Yeah he was.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
He was.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
Pittsburgh. Yeah with Peyton, So.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
Is Rogers going to end up going to Pittsburgh.

Speaker 4 (12:28):
That's what I'm like, to Pittsburgh. Yeah, and then why
just that's just what the tea leaves have been this
whole time, and why they didn't really draft a quarterback and.

Speaker 7 (12:39):
To me getting rid of Pickens, like that's part of
the appeal.

Speaker 4 (12:41):
Well, I think that they're actually going to it sounds
like it's gonna you know, Alan Wizard will come with
him because that's like his like Julian Edelman or whatever.

Speaker 7 (12:50):
The excitement.

Speaker 4 (12:51):
Yeah, And so they drafted Roman Wilson last year, who
had injuries his rookie season, but player I was high on.
I'm sure they're pretty high on him. So he plays
in the slot, Dk plays the outside, Lizard comes as
like the number three Aaron Rodgers at quarterback. I think
that's the plan. I'm not saying it's gonna work. I'm
just saying that's that's the plan.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
I think it's an interesting year in Pittsburgh. You know,
I was listening to a Pittsburgh writer I think was
on a clip that they played it's the least talented
Pittsburgh team in like a decade on paper. You know,
you never know how it all unfolds, And people were
sort of going back and forth, are they trying to
tank or are they going to sign Rogers, which you know,
because it doesn't make sense that they made the move

(13:33):
for DK Metcalf and then gave him that contract if
you're looking to get say arch Manning or whoever next year,
and you know arch Manning doesn't even look like he's
going to be eligible next year anyway. But but then
you know, if they if they signed Aaron Rodgers, like
like Evan says, well, that's not tanking. So what exactly
are you doing? How you feel in the holes in

(13:54):
the roster if they do tell me eight nine t J. Watt,
if they're going to tank, do it right? Yeah, right,
get rid of guys.

Speaker 6 (14:02):
But it's such a different I just have such an
impression of Pittsburgh as draft and developed kind of team,
not really a free agency made team.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
In this year, it seems like that's the direction they're
going to.

Speaker 4 (14:11):
It just be weird of the way that they ran
their whole offseason to not have the Rogers move in
the back pocket and they drafted Will Howard in the
sixth round. That's not that's not a move at quarterback.
So I would imagine that that's where this is headed.
But we'll see. I don't know, I know, you know it. Pickens,
he's one of those guys. He's a volatile guy. You know,

(14:32):
he's a really talented player.

Speaker 3 (14:34):
You can see both sides of that argument. Keeping him
and training him might totally understand what would cause you
to do both.

Speaker 4 (14:40):
Well.

Speaker 6 (14:40):
When you have a confidence that you've developed receivers consistently
in the past, you might here a little bit more
apt to be willing to part with him than if
you've been in the wilderness looking for a number one
ride receiver since Randy Musselow.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
I mean, they have this streak of you know, uh
seasons you know, not below five hundred. Yeah, Like do
you think that's important to them?

Speaker 4 (14:58):
One percent? Yeah, I'm sure that's important to Tomlin. Like
I just I can't imagine Pittsburgh going in the tank ever,
like because of that, you know, they I just don't
see them as a team that Willever truly reset and
Paul Shows like to say they're they're the Bruins of
the NFL. And I feel the same way about them

(15:19):
as I always did, Like the Bruins were always just
gonna make the playoffs, right, you know, be above five hundred.
We're happy with that. That's that's the Steelers.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
Yeah, it's kind of reminds me. I mean I don't
think they're certainly not on the same part. But when
the Patriots signed Cam what's his name, Cam Newton, it
was like, Okay, let's let's bring in this guy and
stay competitive, you know, rather than just kind of let
the bottom flam out.

Speaker 3 (15:48):
That's I think that's yeah, that's accurate. So it's a
good comparison that season.

Speaker 6 (15:55):
Yeah, just to me, I mean, I have a lot
of respect having gone through the downs now last cup years,
just for a team to and even I know how
frustrating it must be for a fan base to be
stuck in that middle and not ever be able to
kind of really feel like your favorites but never feel
like you're at the bottom. But I do respect continued
competitiveness because even the coaching staff didn't change here in

(16:15):
twenty to twenty two and twenty three, and it's still
continued to you know, fall apart, and the way they've
held it together is impressive. I mean, I think we
all are more impressed with Mike Tomlin having seen Antonio
Brown up close. We talked about that, like, man, he
kept him on the straight and narrow for a while
and he's kind of done.

Speaker 3 (16:32):
Maybe that maybe we'll see the same thing with George Pickens.
Maybe George Pickens that.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
Fan base is getting a little bit impatient, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (16:37):
As I should.

Speaker 3 (16:38):
Well Tom Yeah, Tom will was on the hot seat
last year. Yeah, well, people were tired of this.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
In terms of the public. I don't know if like
the Rooneys put him on the hot seat, but the
public put him.

Speaker 4 (16:50):
But it's hard because like he pulled.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
The trigger on a guy that you know is respected.

Speaker 4 (16:54):
Yeah, but like if you're in purgatory like that, like
you're never in a position to really get those blue
chip players at the top of the draft that could
turn the tide. Like you're you know, they got drafted
Ben Roethlisberger and and we're a good team for a
very long time with him. Like they're not drafting high
enough to get the next Ben Roethlisberger. So it's just
like at some point, you know, either you need to

(17:16):
make a massive trade up in the draft and really
make a splash move during the draft, or you have
to stink.

Speaker 6 (17:22):
Yeah, for the quarterback position, like how are they going
to fill the quarterback position? That's where we were a
couple of years ago, like trying to figure out not
only do you have to probably get into the top five,
but you have to have the right draft where there
are a number of.

Speaker 3 (17:34):
Prospects that could possibly fall to you that you like so.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
And having that guy, that franchise quarterback makes it so
much easier to do everything else.

Speaker 6 (17:43):
And if Rogers comes, what you know, what do you
what do you say? Like, well, he's one or two
years hopefully good? Yeah, but you know, I mean, I
guess in a way, if it all falls apart for.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
Him, then that's what they say.

Speaker 6 (17:53):
But he should be good enough, you would think to
keep them out of the range for I think there's
a few good quarterbacks next year other than just arch Manning.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
Who do you guys?

Speaker 7 (18:03):
You guys convinced arch Manning is like legit.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
I don't know what.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
He's very talented, I mean that, Yeah, I'm reasonably convinced
on the talent, but he hasn't played enough so no one,
no one can tell that. But I'm not convinced he's
gonna leave even if he has a great year. I
think that it would go kind of sort of to
what the Mannings do.

Speaker 4 (18:20):
Yeah, but he can get paid big time to stay,
but then ill and he doesn't need it. Yeah, but
he's uh. I think the biggest difference between him and
and he's mobile. You know, he can run. He's a
he's a dual threat. He's not he's not payton an Eli.
He's not a statue.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
Because Archie was a scrambler.

Speaker 4 (18:37):
Yeah, he's like like like Archie yep, one hundred percent.
So he's got tons of talent. You know the games
that he did play in last year when they let him,
you know, play kind of against like Bimigie State or
whatever the heck it was. In that game, Uh, he
played really well, but there was a clear talent gap
across the roster and those in that game. So it's
not just him, but uh, he's you got all the tools,

(19:00):
but he's he's never really done it. So we'll see.
I mean, it doesn't to me, it doesn't bode particularly well.
And I get that maybe there was promises made and
all that kind of stuff, but like quin YOUWRS stinks,
And they continued to run quin Yours out there last
year with arch Manning on the bench, Like if arch
Manning was really this like prodigy you know, Andrew Luck,

(19:20):
Trevor Lawrence, like they're not playing Queen Yours and in
big time playoff games and stuff like that. So that
does give me a slight pause unless there was some
sort of handshake agreement that Quinn Yours wasn't going to
get benched.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
But it's possible. It is what happened to Brady, Right,
everybody said, why is this other guy playing? Is this
hot shot recruit Drew Henson? Yeah, you got to get
him in there, you know, like quin Yours was the
number one recruit in football when he came out. I
agree with Evan. He's a seventh round pick. You know,
I think he's very where do you live, very average Miami?

Speaker 4 (19:56):
Maybe? Yeah he is bad, Yeah he's bad.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
Bad is probably be strong, But I mean he's a
seventh round pick. You know, he played behind a guy
who went the seventh round. What did Rex Ryan say
about Mac with the pea shooter? That that that's Queen yours.
He's got a little squirt gun. You know, there's a
little more mobility.

Speaker 4 (20:17):
That's quin years.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
But anyway, can't I can't argue. I don't think qu
that's yours and it's got a little squirt gun.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
All right, Well, last show, we we uh talked a
lot about Hall of Fame. We have some emails that
came in about that Tyler from Ludlow responding to Tuesday Show,
I feel like I have to step in to defend
Goskowski as being a team Hall of Fame or already
in the team Hall of Fame are the team leaders
in passing, rushing yards and touchdowns receiving yards. Gronk will

(20:48):
be in there soon for touchdowns, interceptions, force fumbles, and sacks.
If a player retires as the clear leader in points
vinitarius second with more than six hundred points separating them,
they should be in the Team Hall of Fame. Not
saying he needs to be first ballot, but he is
well deserving of a spot in the hall.

Speaker 3 (21:06):
Agree or not disagree?

Speaker 1 (21:08):
I disagree to.

Speaker 6 (21:09):
I mean, I think a lot of those points were
tied directly to some of the highest scoring offenses in
NFL history as well. So you know, if you want
to maybe break it down like by kicks, I mean,
I think that'd be interesting just to look at generally
take some of the extra points kicks, but he really get.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
Good nothing, it's nothing. Yeah, of his career, he was
a really good kicker. Hard being in the shadow of
the kicks the vinitarian I.

Speaker 4 (21:33):
Would say, like the fact that he took over so
seamlessly for Vinitary was impressive, probably the most Like that's
big shoes to Phil to come after Vinitarian, and he
really didn't miss much of a beat. But to douce
his point, like how many of those points were nineteen
yard extra points because they were, you know, scoring forty
points a game, and he's coming in and kicking the

(21:53):
old pat's not the new one like the one from
nineteen yards. But I also have a like an issue
in general with like he's the franchise leader in points. Well,
the way that they calculate that every team's franchise leader
in points is a kicker, right, right, because much yeah,
because you don't get points for like throwing touchdowns, So

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like everybody's franchise leader is a kicker.

Speaker 8 (22:19):
So like is that like whoever plays the longest?

Speaker 3 (22:21):
Right?

Speaker 4 (22:21):
Is that like a great like that some great accomplishment.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
And I would also say that in general terms, I'd
be against a kicker being in a Hall of Fame
unless he's special. Adam is special for obvious reasons, like
Kestowski was one of, as Evan said, thirty two guys
who lead their team in points, like because that's what
kickers do some of them separate themselves with what they do,

(22:47):
you know, in the clutch.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
So if Justin Tucker hadn't had his off field stuff,
would he.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
Be Justin Tucker? To me, would be an exception purely
taking the personal stuff away.

Speaker 4 (22:58):
I think Justin Tucker has a chance. He has to
be in the.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
Profrole football Hall of Fame caliber kicker he is. Okay, now,
he's probably never going to see it for obvious reasons. Now, yep,
he was. He was different, you know, Jason Hansen from Detroit.
You know, like there's some guys that are a little
bit different, and they then they make every important kick
for their team and you remember the big moments. Other

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guys compiled.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
Jordan and Kansas. Who do you think will be entered
into the Patriots Hall of Fame first? Devin mccordy, Wes
Welker or Matthew Slater. Also keep doing the player interviews.
They're fun and they seem relaxed with you guys. So
who gets in first, mccordy, Welker or Slater.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
Mccordy, Yeah, I would say mccordy.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
It should be Welker.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
Yeah, but it won't be Yeah, because you dropped a pass.

Speaker 6 (23:46):
Those are really interesting names to consider, though, I wonder
how the fan base feels about I know they love
those guys, but is it the overwhelming love still for
Matthew Slater that you may or may not think he
does have.

Speaker 8 (23:58):
You know what I'm saying, I can't get all the better.
Like Slater was such a great leader guy, right, but
he's still a special teamer right at the end of
the day, which is very unique. But Devin kind of
had all those leadership qualities but was all right.

Speaker 6 (24:10):
But like what's interesting to me is and I don't
mean this is it, like Devin McCarty's outstanding player, but
I think we talk a lot about him being not
having those signature moments, almost like Gostowski, you know, like
what's your favorite Devin McCarty play, Like him returning the
interception in twenty eighteen and Buffalo like like you know,
in three Miles and again, like I don't mean to
the key was key to making everything run on the

(24:31):
back end.

Speaker 7 (24:31):
But again, it's like you.

Speaker 6 (24:33):
Talk about Welker, there's a place that you can talk
about good and bad, but you know, with Slater and mccordy,
it's hard to like what's their highlight?

Speaker 3 (24:41):
What did their highlights look like?

Speaker 10 (24:43):
Well?

Speaker 4 (24:44):
I could get some highlights of Gunner tape.

Speaker 6 (24:46):
Yeah right, I know it's like nobody's But do the
fans appreciate yeah?

Speaker 3 (24:49):
You know, like do the fans love mccorty as much
as we think they do? I don't know.

Speaker 4 (24:53):
I feel like Devon is the perfect team Hall of
Fame guy though, right, Like, you know, I held on
and off the field like perfect Patriot and you know winner,
you know as the rings like I agree, you know,
at his peak, was he a top five safety in
the league? Like maybe, but he was never Earl Thomas

(25:13):
right like, he was never like the best safety in
the league. It's not probably not a Pro Football Hall
of Famer, but a Patriots all Like that's that's what
the Patriots Hall of Fame is forced but.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
At a high level for a long time and did
it right on and off.

Speaker 6 (25:26):
I guess what I'm just speaking to more is the
unknown quantity of having fans vote and how the fans
really feel about guys, and you get into a little
bit more of a popularity contest.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
I put mccordy a little with Matt White, like they're
the same. Yeah, yeah, sure, Like you know, they came in,
they finished their career, they were solid throughout their careers.
To me, both of them don't get it. You know,
that's just the way I am.

Speaker 4 (25:54):
I also think Devin Will, you know, he's still in media,
he's still active, you know, in that side of things,
following you.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
I think that's Mike's point, right, you got to mobilize
the troops to vote.

Speaker 4 (26:04):
I'm sure that they might.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
Jeff in Canada. If you don't like the Hall of
Fame order who should be in first situation, then blame
the ballot. I voted for Edelman because he was the
best Patriot player on the ballot. Adam will get in
when he's running against lesser players. Edelman played offense, punt return,
and even cornerback for a game, Vinitaria played about five
percent of the snaps ps will Jordan be allowed to come?

(26:28):
For Bill Belichick Knight? Of course she's gonna run down there.
We're gonna be following her orders, So of course she's invited.
I hear what he's saying. But in this case, Vinitaries
five percent were incredible, you know.

Speaker 3 (26:48):
I just because it was like this unique situation where
Edelman how to play. Some snaps had safety one year.
Shouldn't like tip the scales.

Speaker 7 (26:58):
I mean ary tax herschel Walker too.

Speaker 3 (27:02):
And he threw a touchdown pass? Does that count?

Speaker 4 (27:05):
That was a good touchdown pass too.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
I shooped him. If you think gentlemen's a better player,
which is what he started with, that's I think that's
a perfectly logical reason. I think he was the best
Patriot on the ballot. That's why he picked Edelman. I
like that the reasoning. I'm not necessarily sure it makes.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
A lot of sense, Roberts says. While I am disappointed
that Jewles made it to the Patriots Hall of Fame
over Adam, I find it far more upsetting that Adam
didn't make the NFL Hall of Fame on the first ballot.
Jewles is a self made success story, having entered the
league as a QB and exiting as a Super Bowl
MVP at wide receiver. He represented the heart of the Patriots,
and maybe more so than any other during his second

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dynasty run. Watching his development over his career was inspirational.
Adam's stats, clutch performances, and longevity put him in the
top tier for best in NFL history. The recency bias
cost him a first ballot for the Patriots Hall of Fame,
but I will forever die on the hill that he
was a lock for a bust in Canton on the
first ballot. I planned to be front and center at

(28:05):
the ceremony when the NFL writers finally decide to pull
their craniums out of their collective arses and fix this
egregious error. Ps. Will we ever hear how the vote
totals for Jewels, Adam, and Logan turned out?

Speaker 3 (28:18):
I know them, but you won't hear that we do
not make that public?

Speaker 1 (28:23):
Well, we don't.

Speaker 3 (28:24):
I don't think we've ever made that public.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
Oh really, I could say, if you want it right now, Yeah,
I could say that it wasn't as close as I
thought it would be.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
I mean, it's not surprising.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
I would say in political terms it was a landslide,
although I'll say it was thirteen percent difference between Adam
and Jules.

Speaker 6 (28:48):
It goes back to what I said earlier. Mean, Jewels
got a huge post career following. He's got a podcast,
he's got and the fans love him. I mean, he's
made huge plays.

Speaker 8 (28:56):
It's the time they played too like Twitter was catching on,
Instagram was catching on. Edelman really got to reap the
benefits all of all that, and he really put himself
out there, you know. And I think it's a lesson
in like the importance of branding and marketing yourself while
you have that window and you're still playing.

Speaker 6 (29:12):
It's funny I say that out because I honestly think
I've seen it a bunch of times. So many people
sign up for Twitter in April of two thousand and nine.

Speaker 8 (29:18):
I had my fourteen year anniversary the other day.

Speaker 6 (29:21):
I know I was in April two thousand and nine,
but I just see a lot of people shouted that,
like because that's and that was right when Jewels got drafted.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
So I mean, what was going on April two thousand.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
And Twitter was coming to the celebrities.

Speaker 7 (29:31):
I was coming to the forefront.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
And then you went on, yeah, well you were you
said you were celebrity.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
I forget exactly, Well, you were only six years old,
probably I was.

Speaker 8 (29:40):
I think I was like, it was high school, but
you're old. I don't I was in high school, early
high school. But I don't remember what the exact motive
was to sign up. I know some of my friends,
like and Nick for example, like got on because there's
like a video game promo that they were pushing people
Twitter early on.

Speaker 6 (29:58):
So I remember my little sister to me and I'm like, what,
like you just post like one hundred It's just a
little sentence, and I'm like for what?

Speaker 3 (30:05):
Like who? I just didn't complaint? Doesn't go back and
find all these things. But I'm sure that fred Andy
and myself had a colossal rip fest on Twitter when
it first it's gonna be.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
I was at an NFL conference question and the guy
from the Chargers, like, my peer, this is when it
first started. He's like, oh, sign up with Twitter. We
can d M.

Speaker 3 (30:36):
But I wanted to.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
When these first started out, it was Facebook and Twitter.
Yeah I like Twitter better, Yeah I did. I didn't
like Facebook from the get go.

Speaker 8 (30:46):
Did we have a team my Space?

Speaker 3 (30:48):
I was on my the o G. I don't think
we ever had a team.

Speaker 4 (30:52):
Remember how you could like rank your friends.

Speaker 8 (30:54):
You could rank your friends, you would have your favorite
songs and oh.

Speaker 4 (30:58):
Yeah it's step that.

Speaker 8 (31:00):
Was the first one.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
Yeah, no, I know what my Space was. I never
had an account, but I think that you were too
young to do.

Speaker 4 (31:06):
No that was right now, right, in our wheelhouse.

Speaker 3 (31:09):
Space didn't monitor, even though that's what the four you
tried to align yourself.

Speaker 4 (31:14):
I'm ninety four, yeah years, she's two years younger.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
Big difference, and she asked me different. She got a
lot of.

Speaker 8 (31:25):
Long time I had my computer usage monitored, and it
was not monitored.

Speaker 4 (31:32):
I would think that you guys would be too young
for I mean, I definitely was like it was. It
wasn't like I was towards the end of my Space
actually being popular when I finally got one.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
Did you ever have a MySpace account?

Speaker 2 (31:44):
No?

Speaker 8 (31:45):
I taught myself to code making my Space layouts.

Speaker 4 (31:49):
There you go, fancy, Okay, women in stem.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
It's another example of how women something about everything that
she can add to conversation.

Speaker 8 (31:58):
Basic coach is HG.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
Mike, Did you have a.

Speaker 6 (32:02):
I did have my Space, but I didn't use it
a lot. But I really enjoyed Facebook initially just because
it was reconnecting with everyone. I think you graduated high
school with college.

Speaker 3 (32:11):
Yeah, I don't spoke as good as I don't think
it was ever like kind of a younger. No, it
was at first, and then I know I know why
the Facebook. I saw the social network shout.

Speaker 4 (32:26):
Right I was on Twitter right away, you know, just
getting into arguments with people over sports, Like day one.
I I downloaded that app and was like, it was
I'm just gonna yell at people.

Speaker 8 (32:38):
John Mayer that got me on Twitter.

Speaker 7 (32:40):
He was your body is a Wonderlan.

Speaker 11 (32:42):
I No.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
I like Twitter from the get go, I really did.
I thought it was to me, it was the better app.

Speaker 3 (32:51):
I hated it then and I hate it now. I
mean I understand the uses of it now that I
never really saw at the beginning. Fred did. Fred, I'm
sure yelled at Andy and I for being stubborn. Big shock.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
But back then Facebook was the monster that was.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
But no one really used Facebook for like news or information.
It was like what you were talking about.

Speaker 8 (33:15):
Drive from high school.

Speaker 4 (33:16):
In terms of web traffic, Facebook kills Twitter it It
drives way more traffic.

Speaker 8 (33:22):
Also just internationally, so many people don't use.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
In other countries.

Speaker 4 (33:27):
I mean, it's not even close. Like you can look
at it in our metrics.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
It's not overly surprised.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
Yeah. Matt in Rochester, New York. Following up on some
of the Hall of Fame last week, I wanted to
send in a list of players and see what you
think about their chances to make the Patriots Hall of Fame.
It's five people, Danny and Mondola, Malcolm Butler, It's Von Gilmore,
James White, and Dante High Tower.

Speaker 8 (33:48):
So I was brought up High Tower, High Tower and White.

Speaker 4 (33:50):
I think if Kevin Falk is in James White.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
The last two I think have legitimate chances.

Speaker 8 (33:55):
And if you're talking about like those iconic moments, High
Tower and James White have them.

Speaker 3 (34:00):
Yeah, Gilmore I think has a shot you. I think
in the order that you have there, I would say
that Gilmore in the middle of there is on the fence,
and the other two I think are in the first
two I don't think.

Speaker 6 (34:11):
I mean he's got the key plays too, with the
AFT Championship past break, one of us plays the.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
First two, I don't think we'll have any chance of
getting in them. They might have the most iconic plays, right,
like Amadola didn't even have the volume, but he has
these memorable game winning plays. And obviously Malcolm Butler might
amaze replay that people.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
Know Gilmore had a great Mareak against, but I don't
think he should. I don't think the first three I
don't think you should get in Amadola, Butler and Gilmore.
I can see based on who's in now white and.

Speaker 8 (34:45):
How many years, And for me, the difference maker is
how long they're with the Patriots.

Speaker 4 (34:49):
Four years for Gilmore and he's only a Patriots for
seventeen eighteen, nineteen twenty right, four years, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
That's pretty quick. High towers should be in high Tower?
Did him right in twenty Yeah?

Speaker 4 (35:01):
Twenty one. I think the twenty summer twenty one could
have that wrong, but I feel like I'm right. But yeah,
the high Tower, that's too short. I feel like high
towers a lock like high Tower.

Speaker 3 (35:12):
Yeah, high towers should be able.

Speaker 7 (35:13):
You got to start plotting it out though, like's not
a certain point you're gonna get. That's the obvious ones
and then you know unless.

Speaker 3 (35:19):
It's almost like Pall brought up some of these concerns
to people once a part.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
Of the time Salmon Salmon Saint Catherine says, a couple
of hypocritical arguments I don't get that have been going
on with the Hall of Fame topic on the show. One,
it's a big deal for Adam that he's the all
time leading scorer in the NFL. For his Canton resume,
but it doesn't matter that Goskowski is for the Patriots Hall.
Couldn't you say Adam was lucky to benefit from shorter

(35:46):
extra points and being attached to two of the greatest quarterbacks,
see I I.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
Mean, I ask you, but that's not that's not my
reason for Adam Vini Terry being a Pro Football Hall.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
Of Fame exactly. You took the words out of my mouth.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
Now it's it's part of his rest just like it's
part of Gostowski's resume.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
Right, But that alone doesn't need to have those game
winning kicks with the Patriots, including the one in the
snow which tied the game, wasn't even a game winner, right.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
I don't think I wouldn't be talking about him like this. No, yeah, no,
there's a lot of good kickers.

Speaker 4 (36:16):
Yeah, I could care less for that's all kickers about
the points.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
That's why I said last show that I think the
reason why Adams being considered for the Hall of Fame
in Canton is because of what he did with the Patriots.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
And what he did when the money was on the launch, what.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
He did with the Patriots clutch in clutch time.

Speaker 4 (36:36):
I mean, he has some of the he has in
my opinion, the snowball kicks the greatest kick of all time.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
It's in a lot of people's opinion.

Speaker 4 (36:43):
And then he has a Super Bowl game winning kicks
on top of that, right, So I mean, it's that's
why he's he's even in the conversation for any of
these halls.

Speaker 3 (36:52):
And it's like a forty eight yarder. It's not like
this twenty two yarder.

Speaker 4 (36:57):
You know, even now, I still can't believe he made it,
just knowing how the snow is coming down that night
and like conditions.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
It's just it was unbelievable to Adam being held back
due to fans not liking that he left to join
the cults. But it won't count for Gronk, who literally
retired because he didn't want to play for the Patriots anymore,
only to unretire when he had the chance to go
to the Bucks. That one's a fair argument, like why
do we not hold that against Gronk, but we hold

(37:25):
it against Minette.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
Because Gronk didn't leave for money. I don't hold the
fans blame ran Terry for leaving for money.

Speaker 4 (37:30):
But I don't hold it against either.

Speaker 3 (37:31):
But I don't hold it against either one of them either.
But it's it's it's friend's right. That's that's a good.
That's more of a fair. Analogy is they've overlooked it
for Gronk, and they didn't overlook it for Vinitary. I'm
telling you, when vinit Arry left, he was vilified. People
thought that he was selfish and he took more money.
He had nothing to do with it, but that's what
they thought leave for because he didn't want to play

(37:54):
for Belichick anymore. He only wanted to play with Brady.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (37:58):
Oh, I think here's a combination of those.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
Okay, I think he's on the record. He's on the
record saying.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
I want to play with them, play with yeah, yeah, Okay.
Ryan in Oceanside, California, he says Evans hypocrisy. Evan believes
the Patriots Hall of Fame should go in chronological order,
but thinks it's insane to consider the Star Wars movies
that are actually titled in chronological order, in chronological order.

(38:25):
Fred duson Marine, Matt, you need to teach him a lesson.

Speaker 4 (38:28):
Teach me a lesson, guys.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
I like that.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
Numbers.

Speaker 4 (38:34):
Your Their favorite Star Wars movie is the third one,
not episode three.

Speaker 6 (38:39):
The third one, Well, I would take into account how
old that person was.

Speaker 4 (38:43):
Nope, take that out.

Speaker 6 (38:44):
Of it, and I would say Josh Dobbs was young.
So I want to say third one is probably going
to be Revenge of the.

Speaker 4 (38:49):
See, I don't think that episode. In my mind, the
third one, what are you doing?

Speaker 3 (38:58):
I wasn't paying If someone just can't to you and said,
my favorite Star Wars episode is episode three.

Speaker 4 (39:03):
No, not not episode just the third one.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
The third one, the third one, the third one, would
you say, which one are you talking about? Would you
assume that it was?

Speaker 4 (39:12):
Which was the third one? To me?

Speaker 1 (39:14):
The third one is the third one that was released.

Speaker 4 (39:17):
Thank you. I broken.

Speaker 8 (39:19):
We got to follow up and ask and figure out.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
I got to talk to do about this.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
If you put it material to me, the third one
is it's not number three. If you put it that way,
it's the third one that was released in chronological.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
But here's the thing.

Speaker 6 (39:38):
No one loves returning the Jedi as their favorite one.
People like the younger generation likes episode three or.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
Probably I probably asked for clarification, but in my mind,
the third one is the third one that came out.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
If I was being honest with one YouTube because you're
kind of like saying, like, how old is the person?

Speaker 4 (39:55):
Well, I am one Joshua Dobbs's demographic. The third one
to me is Jedi, And if I'm being honest, then
I would say that as a kid growing up, Jedi
was my favorite because I didn't really like the story
and Empire Strikes Back is definitely better. But like I,
I just wanted the good people to like fight with lightsabers, right,

(40:17):
like I didn't really you know, so I I really
liked the third one growing up, like yeah, but.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
Yeah, to me, the best one was the last one
that came out, which is three.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
I thought he was.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
It's the last one's your favorite?

Speaker 4 (40:41):
The next one, the next one, the last one that
came out would be the neutral.

Speaker 7 (40:46):
Worst, which was horrible.

Speaker 3 (40:47):
I think we don't do cool stuff like this. By
the way, that they're an NFL network, the Rims. So
we came out they're they're doing their mini camp in
Maui and Maui I don't care camp.

Speaker 8 (40:57):
Why amazing?

Speaker 3 (40:59):
You got to go there?

Speaker 4 (41:00):
No? No, thank you?

Speaker 1 (41:02):
Well because the volcanoes.

Speaker 4 (41:03):
No, I just like it's mini camp and now I
have to go right on a planet, Like.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
No, what if all I would creak that camp was there.

Speaker 4 (41:13):
Maybe a little bit better, but I don't give it
was two days. Can I sign me? I just like,
it's just not like if I'm going there and you're
like you're going to work like business, you're taking vacation
and esus.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
Yeah, absolutely, Spian Fresno says on catch twenty two This week,
barth essentially said that Julian Edelman had great memorable catches
clutch catches, while Welker didn't. This seems a gross oversimplification
and caused me to angrily spurred out stick to the draft, Bartholomew.
Both players had big drops and big catches. That comes
with the territory of being a great player playing in

(41:48):
a lot of big moments. People like Alex Bart selectively
recall one or the other, agree or disagree.

Speaker 4 (41:54):
He's not here to defense.

Speaker 3 (41:55):
I would largely agree.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
Yeah, I would too.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
I think they both had memorable moments, and they both
had some disappointing drops.

Speaker 4 (42:03):
In his defense though, like what's Welker's equivalent of the
Super Bowl fifty one catch? Like he doesn't have a
catch like that, but.

Speaker 3 (42:13):
That was a I look at plays like that a
lot differently. Than most fans.

Speaker 4 (42:17):
But I'm not talking about it because I'm not like
talking about like the level of difficulty and stuff. I'm
just talking about the iconic moment, like in time like that,
that is an iconic play whether it was ten for
Lucky or what.

Speaker 6 (42:31):
But like, yeah, it's also Hardley Luker's limited sample size.
I was just doing the math in my head. I
mean playoffs two thousand and seven. Of course, Paul mentioned
super Bowl might have been the MVP ninety eight. They
didn't make the playoffs. Nine he got hurt, ten they
got upset in the first round. He also i think
sat out the first right there. It was not when
he got bench by court by Rex and then eleven

(42:55):
and twelve, the you know, the run of the super Bowl,
which again I thought he was wasn't pretty good in
that suit, I mean other than.

Speaker 3 (42:59):
The he was. Yeah, the numbers the more pless percentage
wise are not much different. But Edelman had far more
appearances in the playoffs. Just numbers are ridiculous. I mean, again,
this is not an anti Julian Like Julian Edelman is

(43:20):
a no brain, lock stock and barrel Hall of Famer
for the Patriots. Yes, like I'm not. I'm not upset
at all. I'm not Fred and I would teasing each
other on Tuesday. I'm not upset like that. It went
in an order that I didn't agree with. I just
would push back on the people that say that we
doesn't belong and there are people that are doing that,

(43:41):
And in fairness to the fans, it's not the fans.
He hasn't been on the ballot yet. We can't blame
this one on the fans. I blame everything on the fans.
I can't do that on this I can't even get
him on the ballot, and that's not the fans fault.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
Jeremiah says. Gronk said on a podcast once that he
retired because the Patriots tried to trade him to Detroit.
Unless there's something I missed, that was the last thing
I remember him saying why he retired.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
I thought that was.

Speaker 7 (44:07):
Before he retired.

Speaker 4 (44:08):
Before that, I was the off season before. So in
eighteen they did that. That's factual. They did try to
trade him to Detroit.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
And it's all that is factual.

Speaker 4 (44:18):
Yeah, and he was I remember standing in the locker
room and it finally came out that that happened, and
he confirmed it. He said, it said right to us that, yeah,
they tried to trade me Detroit and I threatened to
retire and the trade you know, fell through because I
wasn't going to go to Detroit. I was going to retire.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
He was also said on the record that when he
came back, he was only coming back to play for Brady. Yeah,
it wasn't like whoever wanted for him.

Speaker 8 (44:44):
And I think when she did retire, he was just
so banged up and didn't want to deal with the
BS here that it was like what am I doing to.

Speaker 4 (44:52):
I mean, after the eighteen season, he was the injuries
that he had sustained were incredible. Yeah, why did Bill.

Speaker 7 (44:59):
Try to trade them?

Speaker 2 (45:00):
Like?

Speaker 3 (45:00):
I mean, was that like I'm going to try to
get out of it to get some value if I'm not mistaken,
and someone will certainly correct me, and I'm not going
to be all know it all like I normally am.
I think it was the year that Baker Mayfield was
the number one pick and they were trying to get
first round picks to make steps to go from the

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bottom of the first round to the middle to the top,
and I think it was Detroit. I think Detroit was
one of the high pad. I could have this all wrong.

Speaker 4 (45:28):
I don't know about it.

Speaker 3 (45:29):
I could have the timetable all wrong. But it was
the year that there was a story out linking Josh
McDaniels to Baker Mayfield. It was Mary kay Capp and
they needed to get I think Detroit's number one pick
to get up with something like that, I forget, but
there were some there was a series of trades they
were trying to make.

Speaker 7 (45:48):
Wow, I've never never heard this.

Speaker 4 (45:50):
I've heard the Baker stuff. I don't know if those
were connected exactly.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
He's probably all wrong, but I.

Speaker 4 (45:57):
Understanding the ground thing was always that it was the
year too early thing or you know, rather you know,
do it early than late. And Bill thought that Gronk
was slowing down. The injuries were piling up, as we
all know, and he thought that he was on the
back nine.

Speaker 3 (46:10):
I was also during the height of the career all
wars as opposed to the col and that's he wasn't
He wasn't lifting anymore. He wasn't doing the not lifting,
but he wasn't doing any squats. Remember, like you know,
that's great for the quarterback to have playability, but the
tight end needs the block, yeah, you know, and Bill
was very frustrated.

Speaker 6 (46:29):
I think it's crazy thinking about it after watching the
Dynasty documentary of how that would have gone over, because
at that point it felt like they were barely holding
this thing together and then to go and get rid
of Brady's safety blanket Groank.

Speaker 3 (46:43):
We all know everything that Gronk is, like, that would
have really.

Speaker 6 (46:47):
I I don't know what that alternate timeline looks like
for Patriots fans and players, but trading Gronk to Detroit, yeah, I.

Speaker 4 (46:55):
Would always just say that a Seismicing that eighteen season,
I feel like all the issues get masked by the
fact that they put it together for one last dance
and won the Super Bowl. That team was was in
a bad spot for a lot of that, Like offensively,
they were not very good for large stretches of the
eighteen season, Like Josh Gordon had to come in and

(47:17):
kind of like save the offense and be an outside
threat for them. You know, they lost to in a
row Pittsburgh and in the Miami Miracle, and like I
remember doing at the time saying it was over.

Speaker 3 (47:30):
Yeah, nine and five. Yeah, I at that at those times,
like I had the utmost confidence that they would win
every game, and I did not think they had a
playoff running them.

Speaker 4 (47:41):
Even the defense like didn't really start to turn it
around until the playoffs either. But they like the last
two weeks of the season, they they kind of put
together an offense that could you know, they went in
twenty one personnel, run the football behind the full back
and that like sort of became a base for them.
But they were not a great team that year.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
No, they turned on in the right time.

Speaker 6 (48:01):
I don't want to bring up because but my mind
went this with the Celtics, because I hear all this
stuff about they need to change what they're doing, and
it's to me, like I compare it, and I thought
a lot about this with where the Patriots kind of
found their stride schematically during the season. They still had
to win a shootout in a different style in Kansas City,
but not necessarily trying to get it back into Celtics talk.

(48:22):
But like, is that crazy to tell a team like
in the middle of the playoffs, like you need to
change your identity right now?

Speaker 3 (48:26):
No, And I would I would say, and it is
a little different like in terms of you know, different sports,
but I would say that Everything that has been described
about that team is accurate. Whatever just said, everything is factual.
I would I would push back as to the why, like,
yes they did. They got fat and happy those last

(48:46):
two games, I want to say against the Jets and Buffalo.

Speaker 4 (48:48):
Yeah too, they were too division.

Speaker 3 (48:50):
There were two fatsy division games that they got fat against.
They ran the ball very well, Michelle played well. They
scored a crap ton of points in the two playoff games,
forty one I think in thirty seven in the two
playoff games. They didn't just do that by lining up
in twenty one personnel and slamm him Sony Michelle into
a brick wall. They still had Tom Brady. He was

(49:11):
still Tom Brady, and he delivered.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
Again.

Speaker 3 (49:14):
Everything Evan said is right. I wouldn't.

Speaker 4 (49:16):
The Charger game was definitely more of a run game.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
I wouldn't argue about the validity of what we're talking about.
I would just say Brady's presence is still there. You
still have to play them as a past team now,
and without that you can make all the changes you
want and go three yards in a cloud of dust
all you want. I feel like you needed to win

(49:38):
one and a half shootouts. I would say that Evan's right.
The Chargers game ends up forty one to twenty eight.
That was one of those games that Fred and I
like to sit in the easy chair and say, yeah,
it was kind of close, but it really wasn't. It
was one of those games the Patriots had the whole
way the Chiefs game wasn't the Chiefs game. They needed
to throw the ball to continue to score with the

(49:59):
and they made the ball well too.

Speaker 4 (50:00):
They well, I just remember the zone to win the game. Yeah, right,
they took the ball. I think they took the ball
first in both games, yep, which was very uncharacteristic as
we know. And they they went in the charges of
the Chiefs game. Both games they went on like ten
plus play eight minutes, like pound the rock type of
drives to basically shorten the game, especially against Kansas City.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
I remember the Patriots were up fourteen zip in the
first half.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
I don't remember the I remember them taking the ball
in Kansas City. I don't remember it being necessarily a
ball control drive, but I'll take your work for it
because I don't remember. Yeah, I don't remember.

Speaker 4 (50:37):
Like to Douce's point, they're like the about the Celtics
tie like. The opposite is that, like Brady in the
AH Championship game, was like unreal on third down. And
the reason why they were in so many third downs is,
maybe you could argue, is because they were running the
ball so much on first and second time.

Speaker 3 (50:55):
Yeah, it was like run into the line for nothing
incomplete past third and ten right like that, And that
works when you have Brady.

Speaker 4 (51:01):
That's what where the nerds would say, Well, if you
weren't running the ball so much on first and second down,
you wouldn't have lived in third down and and he
wouldn't have need the greatness to come out, but it did.

Speaker 1 (51:12):
Chris in New Hampshire has critiques on all of us.
He says, Fred, you're delightful, don't ever change.

Speaker 3 (51:17):
I would agree with that. That's a good, good, good.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
I'm not here to tell you what to think. Followed
by that opinion is stupid. I hate it and I
look down upon those who have it. You get it bad, takeduce.
We don't like winning, we don't want the first overall pick.
We get it. You like the defensive side of the ball.
Then complain about how many games it's Benson scoring thirty Well,
once we get to seven to nine, nine and seven purgatory.
Will you be pleased? Evan Barth completes him.

Speaker 4 (51:45):
Is that an insult?

Speaker 7 (51:47):
I don't know, God, that's just fact critique.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
So next time I catch twenty two, I want you
to say to Barth, I can't quit you.

Speaker 4 (51:53):
But like that, that is the show, right like we
you know.

Speaker 3 (51:57):
I guess I wish I knew how to quit you,
isn't it.

Speaker 4 (52:00):
I don't take that as an insult. I think that
means our show is very well rounded. We have all
our angles.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
You were quoted as I have Barth and Jess. What
more do I need?

Speaker 1 (52:11):
Alex actually Alex easy on the eyes, but of course
also pragmatic and insightful.

Speaker 4 (52:19):
Critique.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
Crash critiques can be good.

Speaker 4 (52:23):
Who was that?

Speaker 1 (52:24):
How old are you?

Speaker 3 (52:27):
I don't do drugs, Nick, I'd watch your song. Chris,
Chris looking to slide into the d. It's like six
three we found on Twitter.

Speaker 7 (52:36):
Six six.

Speaker 3 (52:38):
You can handle himself, big can handle himself.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
A little aside here I mentioned the fan club register.
I think was it on the last show or the
show before? I can't remember, but he says, this is
Zach in Chicago. I'm so glad you mentioned the Patriots
fan club website last week's show. Being a Patriots fan
in Chicago, it wasn't until I went to last year's
Bear's Patriots game did I realize how big the Patriots

(53:02):
fan base was here. And now, after hearing about the
fan club website, my friends who are also Patriots fans
and I are already planning on making trips to these
bars during the season this year. Also, just to keep
in mind, the Chicago pu fan base would not be
opposed to the crew coming over this way to host
a special episode from the Windy City when the Patriots

(53:23):
come back to play the Bears in twenty twenty six.
Just no Jaws trivia please. Star Wars Yeah, Jaws No.
Keep up the fantastic Wark and shout out to Evan
Jedi was also my favorite Star Wars movie growing up.

Speaker 4 (53:37):
Yeah, there's dozens of us.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
It's almost as big as the Chicago Patriots Fanklin.

Speaker 4 (53:44):
I actually love going to Chicago to go We got
to go last year, right last year? Yeah, last year
and we won and I we like that. That's one
of my favorite cities. Like that. We had a great
time in Chicago's a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
It's cavernous.

Speaker 3 (54:01):
I haven't been there a lot, but a couple of
times that i've been that I've really enjoyed myself.

Speaker 4 (54:06):
It does remind me like it's like like Midwest Boston.
Like it's it's kind of it's kind a similar kind
of feel like that. It's fun.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
My old boss at the Herald was from New York.
He was in like New York City, and he used
to make fun of Boston and Chicago all the time.
It's like, you know, Boston is like a New York suburb,
and he would say, in Chicago's just a cowtown. It
would make fun.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
I don't know, man, they get a lot of tall
buildings in Chicago.

Speaker 3 (54:28):
Yeah, buildings, but they definitely and I.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
Guess city like the Chrysler building. I guess they had
that huge crystal building that's New York shoot about.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
Tower.

Speaker 4 (54:40):
I don't think it's confused by little It was right
down the street from our hotel, though I want but.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
I guess like that big fire in Chicago, you know,
required a lot of rebuildings, so the buildings are newer
than Boston, you know, most of them.

Speaker 4 (54:55):
Plus I just like feel the Michael Jordan greatness. When
you're like walking, you're like wow, like this is where
Jordan's played.

Speaker 6 (55:03):
I think about like NFL, NHL ninety one with like
Jeremy Ronick and Nintendo Hockey game that was you had to.

Speaker 3 (55:09):
Be So you played NHL ninety one. I think it
was ninety four. You played Chicago. Oh yeah, you didn't
play Vancouver. Everybody plays Vancouver's Trevor Linda. What are we doing,
Cliff Rooning?

Speaker 4 (55:22):
Is this on Sega?

Speaker 3 (55:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (55:25):
So here here's here's a good.

Speaker 3 (55:26):
You played the last time I played video.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
Absolutely, here's a love discussion for an off off season program.
Which city indoor town in the United States had the
best TV shows associated with them?

Speaker 12 (55:41):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (55:42):
Boy?

Speaker 1 (55:43):
You know, so you guns say like Boston Cheers.

Speaker 3 (55:46):
You know, Cheers is an all time great But we'll
do that. Probably it's probably.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
That Marinate Video York.

Speaker 8 (55:53):
That's good for fodder.

Speaker 7 (55:54):
Franz Seinfeld.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
Yeah, what about Bob new Bark Chicago?

Speaker 8 (55:58):
Chicago?

Speaker 3 (55:58):
LA must have a lot, right, But I feel I
feel like in l A they're just sort of generic.
This is generic fake California city in California.

Speaker 4 (56:09):
I mean.

Speaker 8 (56:13):
Two and a half man, now does it being in
that city? Have to be like a fundamental piece of
the show because there's a lot of movies and shows
that you don't realize you.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
Have to they have to say, like we're in you.

Speaker 4 (56:25):
Know, Austin's got Great Town is part of the.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
Show, Like like, well, there's a more in Minneapoli.

Speaker 3 (56:31):
That would probably be the best ever sitcom in Minneapolis.

Speaker 7 (56:35):
You're gonna go out and live on that one.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
I'm gonna I'm all in.

Speaker 4 (56:40):
I feel like Boston is more of a movie like
the Town.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
There's been some.

Speaker 8 (56:46):
Movies you don't realize what's the movie with. I think
it's Ryan Reynolds and Sandra Bullock. It's supposed to be
in Alaska. They filmed in a rockport. There's like a
movie credit, tax credit or something here that a lot
of people film movies here and you don't realize it.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
Okay, fun facts. Eric from Amherstburg, Canada says Eric's arrogance
is hilarious. He says, the math is the math. Celtics
are soft, Nerds will be nerds and suck at sports.

Speaker 4 (57:19):
Okay, defending NBA champions at sports suck at sports.

Speaker 7 (57:24):
Nerds a sports He.

Speaker 3 (57:27):
Saw the Revenge of the Nerds.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
Nerds, a lot of a lot of a Hall of
Fame emails.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
Let's go to that. We spark some debate.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
That's good, so we'll get back to it. Let me
go to the phones. Eight five five Pats five hundred
is the hot line for a sponsor.

Speaker 7 (57:44):
How Matt Morale, Jersey Mikes, come on, let's go.

Speaker 8 (57:47):
Actually, but I tried the Jersey Mike's chicken salad sandwich
and I'm going to review it in the newsletter.

Speaker 6 (57:54):
Okay, maybe put me down for your sandwich tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
Uh, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (58:02):
Well, I already own no socks, so I just give
no socks one.

Speaker 4 (58:06):
What's why?

Speaker 3 (58:07):
I bet him that the saltis will win the next
four games. I watch the first one.

Speaker 4 (58:12):
You and Paul Pierce walking barefoot.

Speaker 1 (58:15):
Socks had a very very passionate uh review on the
good side of the Jersey Mike's bowls.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
That's what I have to get them tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (58:25):
They are good.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
He really liked it. He said, it's the sandwich without
the bread, so you don't feel like all you know,
I mean, that is what it is.

Speaker 4 (58:35):
It was perfect, you know, and you got to Chipotle
and it's like the bowl is like the brito the tortilla, like, right,
I like to get the.

Speaker 8 (58:42):
Bowl with the side. No, you get the side tortilla
and then you have to and bowl.

Speaker 4 (58:48):
Or you get the chips and then you dip the chips.

Speaker 8 (58:50):
And you do all three of the ships.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
I don't know. I don't like my Italian sandwich loose.

Speaker 3 (58:55):
Like I want something holding it together, just some fluozy, right,
loose one bite, It's got a little of everything, not
you know, one giant bite of like a piece of salami.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
Right, Yeah, it's a good point. Then you're trying to
like make sure you get meat with the other stuff
you want to You have to wind vinegar and you
have to make sure that.

Speaker 3 (59:16):
I do have an irrational concern over that, Like am
I putting too much on one fold? And now I'm
just gonna I'm gonna be left without.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
The stuff exactly exactly.

Speaker 4 (59:25):
That's a good point.

Speaker 3 (59:26):
I do think that because I'm I got.

Speaker 6 (59:28):
A question if I get a turkey bowl, is it
weird if I like, can you put a squirre to
mayo on top of that?

Speaker 7 (59:32):
Like nobody does that?

Speaker 3 (59:33):
Right?

Speaker 1 (59:33):
You can't put a male and then mix it around.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
I don't know, I have a weird thing with mayo though,
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (59:41):
What about like a Chipotle that's mayo. It's just flavored.

Speaker 7 (59:45):
You're right out, you know, right holes.

Speaker 3 (59:48):
In my so versatile the renaissances.

Speaker 6 (59:53):
I just can't picture a bowl with like just like
a squiggle of just white mayo on top of it.

Speaker 3 (59:57):
I don't know. It just grosses me out.

Speaker 4 (01:00:06):
Who thinks like that?

Speaker 6 (01:00:07):
Like I want the mayo just spread nicely on the bun.
I don't see it. I taste it, but too much
mayo can run.

Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
You don't want too much, too much mayo. You just
to touch on mayo. But you can't do it on
the salad.

Speaker 6 (01:00:18):
This is on people seeing him eat that giant amount
of mayo on your salad?

Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
Did you have that chicken that turkey?

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
Sub?

Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
Was that playing mic? And you can say yes because
they will never know it's smothered with mayo. And we're
not smothered, but just a little mayo. It's just a little,
you know, a little tang in there.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
It's nice, all right. Cameron's in North Carolina? What's up? Cameron?

Speaker 4 (01:00:42):
Hey?

Speaker 10 (01:00:42):
What's going on?

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
Y'all?

Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
Hey?

Speaker 10 (01:00:44):
I have two quick questions for you, the first one
being how important do you think it is for trick
made development to have two veteran quarterbacks that he's hats
up far, such as Jacoby Brissette and Josh Dobbs, and
just there get a case into being mentors and sharing
the same primary goal of just trying to win as

(01:01:04):
opposed to really compete. First spot, and the second one
being what the argument would be to have Matthew Slater
inducted into the Patriots Hall of Fame, because if we're
talking about impact players, I understand he was a great
leader and long, very long tenured, but I don't really
understand the argument to get him in to the Pro
or the Patriot's Hall of Fame. And I'll take it off.

Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
There, thank you, all right, thanks Cameron.

Speaker 4 (01:01:28):
I think he's probably the greatest special teams player of
all time. So Matthew, Yeah, in terms of covering kicks.

Speaker 7 (01:01:36):
Can we quantify that? Can we quantify that into wins?

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
Can't?

Speaker 4 (01:01:40):
You can't quantify it into wins necessarily. But like you know,
if you throw on Matthew Slater gunner tape like some
people do in this room every once in a while,
like they they the amount of like dun the amount
of like double and triple teams that he would see
on like one punt was like insane, Like they they
were literally layer the blocking scheme so that like you

(01:02:01):
would get hit like seven times going down the field.
I mean, well, like.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
What like why?

Speaker 3 (01:02:07):
Like I mean, I like I'm being serious because you just.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
He literally tackling. He literally would not practice with the
rest of the team. That's all he would do is
work on that. That's all he would do.

Speaker 4 (01:02:19):
Yeah, I mean he's He's just one of the best
to ever do it. I mean that's the argument getting downfield.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
The first question that he had that Cameron had, I
think is a good one. I don't know what the
answer is, but you know, would you rather have and
how beneficial do you think it is for Drake may
to have veteran backup types as opposed to legit competition
for a job, right, Yeah, And I think you can
make a strong argument for both sides. I'm not sure

(01:02:45):
what's more beneficial to Drake, because I think that would
be in the eye of the beholder, whatever he feels
is more beneficial at this.

Speaker 4 (01:02:52):
Point of his career. I like this approach a little
bit better. Like if we're in year three and four
and he hasn't taken that next step yet, and you
want to try to push him a little bit. And
that's one thing, but right now you're really just trying
to get him off the ground and get it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
I'll repeat. This is another Bill Parcells thing. If you
have two quarterbacks, you don't have a quarterback. And I
think that's true. If you don't have that guy and
you have legitimate competition at the quarterback, then you don't
have a quarterback.

Speaker 7 (01:03:21):
But I looked at it more as do you guys
see value in.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
How you disagree with Bill Parcells.

Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
Bill Parcells said, if I don't have a guy who
separates himself.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
No, No. His exact quote was, if you have two quarterbacks,
you don't have a quarterback. Correct.

Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
That means you don't have a guy who separated himself.
That's his point. I need some So if Drake Maye
is the guy, right, there's nothing to worry about. Right,
you can have competition.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
It's well, it's not really competition because he.

Speaker 3 (01:03:46):
Beats it, right, So that's why it's not that was
almost a disaster.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
It's not competitive anymore because he already yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:03:54):
But he needs to win the competition, yes, right, So
right now, Parcels is like ideal. This is why I
think this. You can look at this from both sides,
Like I agree with what Fred's talking about here, but
I think we're saying the same thing in a different way.

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
I think here we go.

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
You if I like the idea of having a veteran,
I think Brissett last year and Dobbs this year will
be beneficial. I think Evan's point about maybe two or
three years down the road, if he hasn't sort of
gotten nudged, he might need someone a little bit younger.
And you know.

Speaker 7 (01:04:29):
Thress Anthony Richardson more threatening.

Speaker 3 (01:04:32):
Is a good word to do it, to give him
a kick. But I don't worry about like having two quarterbacks.
I think that I have the guy. I think Drake
May is my guy. But I don't think there's anything
wrong with having a guy behind him who's younger as
well as the veteran who wants to compete for the job.

(01:04:52):
I think competition is good at all spots, and I'm
confident if I'm the coach that Drake May wins that competition. Well,
I don't have two quarterbacks. My problem of whom I playing.
They're both so good you know. I that's what Parcels
didn't want. Was like the fans saying the other guy
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(01:05:13):
good like ZAPPI was competition for Jones, but it was
only a competition because Jones wasn't good enough. Do you
see what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, you don't want two quarterbacks?

Speaker 6 (01:05:23):
Yeah, I mean I was thinking about it a little
bit differently, just in the value of having a veteran
quarterback with Drake still and do you see value.

Speaker 7 (01:05:30):
In someone experience? Do not necessarily like competing?

Speaker 6 (01:05:33):
Just hey kid, this is you know, we're playing in
Green Bay this week and this is something I noticedable
Or you know, they might throw this defensive coordinator this week,
might throw this at you, those kind of things like
I don't know, I just I guess as.

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
I get I want both.

Speaker 7 (01:05:46):
Yeah, I just I see a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:05:50):
There's part of me that just wants them to do
it himself and get you know, like learn fro himself
and not have to think that, oh I'm going to
get I feel like we had this conversation during that year.

Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
If you if you progress to Evan's point. You know,
in three years, let's say it goes the other way
and he clearly just establishes himself. Now I don't need
a veteran because he's the man. He doesn't need anybody
to mentor now I can bring in young guys to
develop behind him.

Speaker 6 (01:06:12):
Which was what like Brady like oh four oh five
somewhere in there, and that that was when he no
longer had the you know.

Speaker 3 (01:06:17):
The how long did did Hewards stay?

Speaker 4 (01:06:21):
Was a couple of years? Just a couple of felt
like a good amount of time though.

Speaker 3 (01:06:25):
For a backup, because after he left, he really didn't
have that like Castle then and now they brought in
random guys, but they were just to appease.

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
They brought hadn't even played in college.

Speaker 3 (01:06:35):
Yeah right, But like on once Heward left, you know,
it was like Rohan Davey, like it was young guys
that were developing, and then they would bring in veterans
like Testa, Verdi and Flutey to you know, satisfied Belichick's ego. Right,
which again these are things we can say now.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
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lots of emails coming in Hall of Fame stuff, it's
a big issue, so we'll get back to that in
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Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
Say it's positive, real positive.

Speaker 11 (01:08:51):
Everybody's excited, excited for a new opportunity, fresh start.

Speaker 15 (01:08:55):
So and how would you discrab the new coaching and
like the impact that might be able on the new
coaching has.

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
Had on what's going on here?

Speaker 11 (01:09:08):
I would say it's it's a very uh, very high
emphasis on connectivity, really setting foundation, learning each other, growing
together and really establishing you know, their identity and things
like that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:21):
So m s just find the connectivity, like how does that?

Speaker 1 (01:09:26):
How does that?

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
Like how how do you c.

Speaker 11 (01:09:30):
Yeah, so that would be time learn each other's story
a on and off the field, you know, and really
just honing in on on each individual and the time
we do have together and really learning.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
Each other, like I said, on and off the field.

Speaker 3 (01:09:43):
So there's so many changes for you got to believe
some side of the multis off seat, but at the
same position, you got pretty much stay fit course be
real built of how important is you guys could be
able to maybe set that tone of consistency of the fact.

Speaker 11 (01:09:59):
That going the twenty twenty five y uh, I'll say
it's it's important for everybody. The standard is to stand
there with us, but leadership has to come from every room,
and so we just got to make sure what the
standard is what it is in our room and we're
holding to that.

Speaker 16 (01:10:13):
You've gotten much into like what your goals can look
like in this deep pen tent.

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
No, so what what was what the last few.

Speaker 11 (01:10:19):
Weeks felt like forret you guys, it's really just been
setting the foundation, just learning, connecting, Like like I said earlier,
that's been the biggest emphasis, not not really getting into
the the roles.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
And yet we just shout out to the identity in
the foundation help.

Speaker 3 (01:10:32):
Challenge Junior's lescens for you just you know, bottle them
PSI and pretty muchhore.

Speaker 14 (01:10:37):
How how tough this that?

Speaker 10 (01:10:38):
How much are you looking.

Speaker 3 (01:10:39):
Forward to this?

Speaker 1 (01:10:39):
Yous?

Speaker 11 (01:10:41):
I'm really looking forward to to this upcoming season, not
really looking back, uh to last year kind of put
in the back of my mind and really just looking
forward to move moving on.

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
You know, I'm sorry, really a good are you, Rarether?

Speaker 4 (01:10:55):
You're the longest You and a couple of other guys
are the longest tender guys on the team.

Speaker 11 (01:10:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
Yeah, they they've been telling me.

Speaker 4 (01:11:01):
Yeah yeah, So what I mean, well, what's your reaction
to that?

Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
I guess, uh happened fast, I would say.

Speaker 11 (01:11:08):
It.

Speaker 2 (01:11:09):
Yeah, it's been.

Speaker 11 (01:11:10):
It's been from my rookie year and now it's been
it's been flash So it's it's really good.

Speaker 2 (01:11:16):
It makes me feel good.

Speaker 11 (01:11:18):
Just to be with the organization for that long and
it just lets me know that m you know, as
a as a leader, my role and you know, kind
of setting things and just being here in the organization.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
You know, it's it's important. So how does that change civil?
How you you yourself? Falking around? Stay? They they fall
old heads, they're up there.

Speaker 3 (01:11:38):
Nah.

Speaker 11 (01:11:38):
It don't change much for me. Yeah, it don't really
change much for me at all. I still have a
job in the standard to uphold so and learning this
have to be open and and really make sure that
I'm aware and locked in on on everything news.

Speaker 10 (01:11:54):
The angle.

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
With that it's it's doing well. Yeah, it's doing well. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:12:02):
Uh well, a lot of the guys were leaders and
captains on the team, aren't fact. Do do you see
uh new leadership kind of emerging yet?

Speaker 11 (01:12:10):
I will say, uh, yes, but I I wouldn't get
into like specifics of certain individuals.

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
I think.

Speaker 11 (01:12:20):
Right now it's everybody's kind of expected to to, you know,
carry themselves like a leader, and that's what it what
it should be, you know. And so I would say yeah,
but can't really get into specific so on like s
certain guys. But it's definitely a point of emphasis.

Speaker 4 (01:12:36):
I mean, have you noticed you've been here now?

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
Do you know what last year was like?

Speaker 4 (01:12:42):
From obviously?

Speaker 3 (01:12:43):
Do you?

Speaker 4 (01:12:44):
Is there a lot of change behind the scene you
Do you notice Mike Verbo really put against in print
on this program?

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
I would say yes, he's definitely putting his imprint on
the program.

Speaker 11 (01:12:52):
And and like I said earlier, he's really on and
in on on connecting and learning us as individuals and
and setting that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
Foundation on and off the field. Like like I spoke about,
so yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:13:03):
And what depends out to you?

Speaker 1 (01:13:04):
But uh, coach Bookers coach Williams, who I guess had
a lot of the same defensive coach you'd see when
you after bench fellowship, you know, in Grado's hires a
head coach.

Speaker 4 (01:13:14):
Now it's basically use staff.

Speaker 3 (01:13:17):
I'm not certain point what what took them like looking.

Speaker 11 (01:13:19):
Those gus, Uh, I would say, just uh, every day
there there's a lot of energy and and we're really
focused on the small details.

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
And so that really stands out to me and I
and I'm appreciative of that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:33):
Can you spend a lot of time watching the typeans
defense and their safeties in particular?

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
I would say, we we watch uh eh, all ball.

Speaker 11 (01:13:41):
You know it's not just them, We watch all ball,
any any any good ball around the league that applies
to us which we wanna play football, We'll watch it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:50):
So yeah, it's a detail. You just met it Like
they're big on the little details. You know what what
example alignment assignment?

Speaker 11 (01:13:57):
You know, eyes are consistent playing and play out, you know,
knowing people's names and and things that may not seem.

Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
Like a big deal, just like little stuff like that.
If we go over it, it's possible that we we
need to know it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:11):
I would say, so as moom sat there, it's a
whole new coaching stats specific defensive side of the ball,
is it? I'm trying to play with toll Owans. How
would you describe his coaching style? See some of my
even media we have to talk to that much.

Speaker 15 (01:14:26):
Just how would you like describe him?

Speaker 10 (01:14:28):
And what's a what's that like?

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
He's about his business?

Speaker 11 (01:14:31):
Uh, he treats his like pros And I would say
he he has a a good dategy as well, you know,
ready to work.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
So you know, I'm excited to work with him.

Speaker 8 (01:14:43):
Coach Williams and the coaching staff on the defensive side
and talked a lot about wanting this.

Speaker 16 (01:14:49):
Do you tends to be aggressive?

Speaker 8 (01:14:50):
Played aggressively and playing force and violence?

Speaker 4 (01:14:55):
How does that fit into your play style?

Speaker 10 (01:14:59):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
I would say that's what I want to do as well.
I would say that.

Speaker 11 (01:15:04):
I would say we aligned in that way. I want
to I want to be violent and you know, aggressive
just like they want to be and so I would.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
Say it it fits in my play stuff pretty good. Yeah,
were you two more questions?

Speaker 16 (01:15:19):
Guess how were you familiar with market SOPs and Craig
Woodson before they were added to the room, And what'spend
on getting to know those?

Speaker 2 (01:15:26):
Yeah? I watched, Uh, I was aware of them.

Speaker 11 (01:15:28):
I watched the mom when we was in Vegas, and
so I was definitely a word of me and having
them in a room, I feel like an experience.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
Has been good.

Speaker 11 (01:15:38):
It's really early, but I can definitely tell smart smart
ball players, really really smart ball players, and they take
it seriously.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
So I appreciate that.

Speaker 6 (01:15:46):
Do you work in your connectivity within the program for
something you learned about coach Crabel for coach Williams if
you didn't know.

Speaker 2 (01:15:53):
For uh, not a whole lot. I can really say,
kind of keep it well, keep it with each other.

Speaker 11 (01:16:00):
But I would say they're very big on family, and yeah,
I would say that's one thing that I picked up
on to take it very seriously and that includes us,
you know the building.

Speaker 2 (01:16:13):
So yeah, thanks, appreciate you.

Speaker 14 (01:16:17):
And now great moments in.

Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
History.

Speaker 1 (01:16:22):
No one was worth a big head.

Speaker 3 (01:16:25):
He was he was had also didn't wait till the
break right as soon as the food arrived, he would
just shut his microphone off, move it away, and start eating.

Speaker 1 (01:16:33):
But seriously, yeah, he'd be done before the break started up.

Speaker 15 (01:16:37):
He'd actually be good sentence in an argument with Fred
and and if the producer would come in with the food,
he would stop.

Speaker 4 (01:16:42):
What he was doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:16:44):
Yeah, he would be arguing, you know, passionately about something
and it would just like drop everything and tread be like, oh,
you can't.

Speaker 1 (01:16:50):
Even have like the producer go down because you know
they'd have the media meal, so you know, just make
us a plate. So he'd come back with like maybe
six or seven sandwiches, and the moment he put it
down to the table, they can't just bomb just jump
on high metabolism.

Speaker 4 (01:17:07):
Guy h just always eating, always eating.

Speaker 1 (01:17:10):
But he has always eating, but always work out.

Speaker 4 (01:17:12):
Yeah sure yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:17:14):
If he ever slows down in his workout, he's gonna balloon.
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Speaker 3 (01:18:13):
So good, yeah, sounds good. Bit of breaking news, Fred,
Oh yeah, what have we got? We have a history
made today we do.

Speaker 2 (01:18:20):
What's that that?

Speaker 3 (01:18:21):
There's been a new pope named new Pope, first ever
from swamps, first close, first American. It's Bobby from doesn't
say where.

Speaker 4 (01:18:29):
Cardinal provosts from Chicago, Illinois, first.

Speaker 3 (01:18:32):
Ever from the US, first ever American pope.

Speaker 4 (01:18:36):
We got a pope?

Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
Is he the.

Speaker 7 (01:18:40):
TikTok?

Speaker 1 (01:18:41):
Good for the pope? So we have a Chicago Pope.
Chicago Pope sounds like one of those CBS series.

Speaker 7 (01:18:48):
I feel like Chicago Pope.

Speaker 8 (01:18:50):
I feel like Chicago Fire, Chicago med Chicago.

Speaker 3 (01:18:54):
Used to Chicago true thing, and that was that was
a good little like together Chicago Pope, Chicago Poop.

Speaker 1 (01:19:02):
I felt like that, We'll see We'll see a million
promos for it during super you know, during the football
games on Sunday after the game.

Speaker 6 (01:19:10):
Yeah, there was like one Pope murderer for like the
first like thirty five years of my life. I feel like,
and now we've had like three popes in the past,
like I could just see it, you know, remember Pope
John Paul.

Speaker 3 (01:19:20):
He gets into like Pope John Paul the second, follow
Pope John Paul the first, so like within a month.
So I didn't realize in my childhood. Fred probably he
probably didn't have a favorite Pope then because he didn't
know who was going to.

Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
Wear it, right, He goes right, Chicago Pope. You know,
I'm just thinking of the I'm just thinking of like
what the scenarios would be Chicago Pope tonight on Chicago
You'll maybe take up my mind, you know.

Speaker 7 (01:19:53):
Things like that rosary beads this that's like that's.

Speaker 1 (01:19:56):
Like when Rosary be He's a different kind of pope, right,
He's a pope with an edge.

Speaker 7 (01:20:06):
This pope isn't sitting taking it sitting down anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:20:08):
You don't want this smoke. You don't want the smoke smoke,
you want the white smoke. You want the white smoke.

Speaker 1 (01:20:13):
And black women are always hitting on him and he
always has to say no that rope. You don't want
to know.

Speaker 8 (01:20:19):
Yeah, my grandmother's listening.

Speaker 1 (01:20:22):
Have nothing to do.

Speaker 6 (01:20:25):
The same thing as I'm flashing back to like La
to a superhero, I'm flashing.

Speaker 7 (01:20:28):
My La days and something that the pis exactly I
see it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:33):
Who could we get for this role?

Speaker 11 (01:20:35):
Like?

Speaker 4 (01:20:36):
Are we casting Charlie she.

Speaker 1 (01:20:39):
I just thought Chicago Pope? No, it's got to be
John Goodman, John good You guys are naming all.

Speaker 4 (01:20:45):
People Tom Selling Tom sell It, Yeah, I mean, is
he's still doing Blue Bloods? Is that like in like
season twenty it's over.

Speaker 3 (01:20:55):
They're going to start a Boston version with just Donnie.
But he was one that had a bad reputation of like,
don't you don't want to work with Tom Sellis? He
was toughs. That's disappointing. What's I love Magnagnum, Yeah, thank
you Magnum, p.

Speaker 1 (01:21:11):
I, Matt Mitch and Saratoga getting back to Hall of Fame.
Quick hypothetical, say Adam Gutten this year, who do you
think would have gotten next year? Gronk or Edelman? I
would say Gronk by a thin margint f Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:21:26):
I would agree. Yeah, but that would be that would
be that someone would just be like I would feel
bad to a third person pretty much, whoever it was.

Speaker 4 (01:21:35):
See I do. I would have done it together, but
I know we can't do that apparently, But I just
feel like those two, particularly going in together, would make
a ton of sense, like they're like best friends.

Speaker 7 (01:21:47):
Then you might talk about doing a little bigger than
just out there.

Speaker 3 (01:21:49):
If you do. Those guys sound coming down.

Speaker 4 (01:21:52):
I saw that creaking news and nothing I could do. No, Yeah,
that I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:21:56):
I know.

Speaker 6 (01:21:57):
One more weird thing though I thought about with Adam
is like he has a whole exhibit in the Hall
of like the kicking thing, Like he's he's not in
the hall, but like his kick is in the hall
with the video board, you know, going there and attempted.

Speaker 3 (01:22:10):
From from the other snow game right, right, that's in
really good shape.

Speaker 8 (01:22:13):
Maybe if he finally gets in, we can finally do
your content ideas.

Speaker 1 (01:22:17):
I want to what's that idea?

Speaker 4 (01:22:19):
It's really good.

Speaker 7 (01:22:19):
It's like a hidden camera, like you know, ad inventary working.

Speaker 8 (01:22:22):
He's working the exhibit working.

Speaker 3 (01:22:24):
We put some dumb glasses on him in a little
hall outfit and he's trying to teach Peo like a disguise. Yeah,
he's like you know, and people like, who's this guy?

Speaker 4 (01:22:32):
They do that like well uncle Drew obviously Kyrie. But
like I remember one Rinaldo like dressed up like in
a disguise and he was just out on like the
streets of uh, you know, Madrid probably, and he was
just like absolutely roasting people with a soccer ball. And
then like this kid literally started to cry as he
was like revealing himself. A kid literally broke down in tears,

(01:22:52):
he was so happy.

Speaker 1 (01:22:53):
There's one that goes around on your social media platforms, Alex.
It's like it's the guy. It's in the gym and
the guys in like this one piece overall with the
broom and he's watching these you know, big guys left
and he's like, hey, can I try and one of
them anything lifting twice the way.

Speaker 8 (01:23:11):
Yeah, didn't Eli do something like that recently out of.

Speaker 4 (01:23:14):
College as a walk on powers.

Speaker 3 (01:23:17):
Yeah, yeah, something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:23:19):
Yeah, that's fun, Kelly and Brooklyn writes, and watching Welker
in his prime in a Patriot's uniform was incredible. Paul
would agree. Week after week after week, Welker made big
catch after big catch, third and long, Welker for the
first Every time Welker created that position, Welker walked so
Edelman could run. For those who were not born yet
are still in diapers, they're always going to go Edelman.

(01:23:42):
They just don't understand what those years were like watching Welker.
He was a madman, a blue eyed lunatic.

Speaker 3 (01:23:48):
I like the blue islanitic.

Speaker 6 (01:23:49):
That's he was special, that's you know, And that's why
I think you get lumped in as slot receivers and
they do similar things. But I just I'll never forget
the feeling of like, holy crap, this's Welker. Guy's awesome
and he's tiny. He looks like a kid out there,
but no one can cover him.

Speaker 1 (01:24:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:24:03):
I was just gonna say Troy Brown was before Welker.
Like as much as I like, I love Welko Yeah,
Brown was a slot receiver who caught one hundred passes
and basically was the offense.

Speaker 4 (01:24:12):
They did change the role, you know, they the two
thousand and seven Patriots, basically we're at the forefront of
eleven personnel taking over the league and three receivers and
playing like a true slot and you know, Welker was
like the first true not maybe not the first, but
like he's the one that kind of pioneered it a
little bit and like to the emailer's.

Speaker 3 (01:24:33):
Points, Wayne Gebet, Yeah, and you know, really.

Speaker 4 (01:24:36):
Played inside all the time and was doing it at
a really prolific level. And then like then defenses had
to you know, invent the slock corner more often and
like use that and like it did really change. Even
like Josh McDaniels deserves some credit for what they were
able to do with schematically. With all that, like there's
a case to be made that, you know, we play

(01:24:57):
football now the way that it's played because of of
Welker and the two thousand and seven Patriots.

Speaker 1 (01:25:03):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (01:25:03):
Yeah, Wow.

Speaker 7 (01:25:04):
The Welker land in Washington Is that where he is now.

Speaker 1 (01:25:08):
Coaching? Yeah? Yeah, Kylon Pembroke, I personally dislike how the
Patriots do their Hall of Fame selection. Here's how I'd
fix it. One, have five players on the ballot, not three. Two,
allow multiple players to be selected.

Speaker 3 (01:25:23):
Three.

Speaker 1 (01:25:24):
The way players are selected is by having a certain
vote threshold that the player has to meet to get in. Example,
they need five thousand votes to get in. Four. If
no player meets the threshold, no one gets in. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:25:37):
I don't hate it. I don't hate it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:39):
And that's kind of more like I know the Pro
Football Hall of Fame is not a fan vote, but
that's you have to get.

Speaker 3 (01:25:44):
A threshold of votes, right, I don't hate the threshold.
I got what he was getting at there. Yea, How
hard was it for you guys when you're putting this
all together to figure out how you wanted.

Speaker 2 (01:25:52):
To do the voting?

Speaker 1 (01:25:53):
I mean, I don't think I had anything to do
with it.

Speaker 3 (01:25:55):
You didn't started. We were just this is how we're
doing it. And then people expressed reticence and were summarily
dismissed and ignored.

Speaker 1 (01:26:06):
But I think overall it works. Yeah, nobody who has
been nominated. I mean it's taken time, but they will
eventually get in.

Speaker 3 (01:26:16):
I disagree.

Speaker 1 (01:26:18):
Who are we missing?

Speaker 3 (01:26:20):
There are guys that haven't been nominated that haven't.

Speaker 1 (01:26:23):
No, I think eventually they will get in. That's what
I'm saying. Oh, well, we can just say I think
Welker is eventually going to get You have a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:26:29):
More faith in that than I do.

Speaker 1 (01:26:31):
I guess I do.

Speaker 3 (01:26:32):
Like I think there are going to be guys that
aren't going to get in, or they're going to get
in in twenty years, and then what good is that?

Speaker 1 (01:26:38):
Well isn't that the same with the Pro Football Hall
of It?

Speaker 3 (01:26:40):
Yes, there's flaws with that too.

Speaker 1 (01:26:41):
Right, So there's no perfect thing. I don't think that
you can make it perfect. What's the perfect way for you?

Speaker 3 (01:26:48):
I don't know what the perfect way is, but lining
them up one at a time is, in my opinion,
the worst way to do it.

Speaker 4 (01:26:57):
I think this.

Speaker 3 (01:26:57):
So what this emailer I think has a better You
think had away?

Speaker 1 (01:27:01):
Yeah? I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:27:02):
I just I think, like, not everybody gets in, but
if there's a lot of worthy candidates at once, they
should go.

Speaker 1 (01:27:10):
In all together.

Speaker 2 (01:27:12):
Sure.

Speaker 1 (01:27:12):
Also, last year just then you're gonna run.

Speaker 3 (01:27:14):
Out, No, you're not.

Speaker 8 (01:27:15):
Last year just created a speed bump in the system
kind of where if you knew Tom was going in
no matter what, and you're waiving the four year period.
Maybe still have the vote for everyone else because time's
going in any ways, right, I think.

Speaker 1 (01:27:32):
That screwed us up last year.

Speaker 4 (01:27:34):
Yeah, so Brady in June and then.

Speaker 8 (01:27:35):
Like you're still has nothing to do with it and
can go in you would ineligible, and then you're putting in.
And that's kind of poetic to put VINETII and Tom
Brady in together, especially if Tom's just a shoe in.

Speaker 3 (01:27:51):
Yeah, but there I mean, I do like the idea of, yeah,
there's gonna be years where you don't have one. Yeah,
and that's unfortunate, but that could happen, But there also
could be usually have three or four. You know, if
if you have a ballot like this year, my guess
is you would have gotten three guys in because you
have three over the top worthy candidates. But that won't
always be the case. That's so that's the only fear

(01:28:13):
is is you get to a point where you're like,
here's the three. But I just want to get to
the point where people can sort of enjoy the experience
of the recognition and not kind of like Bill Parcells
like right now is what mid eighties yeah, you know, yeah,

(01:28:36):
it's great, but it would have been better for him
if it was ten years ago, you know. And that's
just an example. There could be some players that by
the time they get in, going one at a time,
won't be able.

Speaker 4 (01:28:47):
To enjoy it. Well then Leon Gray, right, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:28:52):
But that was you know, yeah, he passed early, right,
I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:28:58):
We didn't have this back then.

Speaker 4 (01:29:00):
You know, it's a long time ago.

Speaker 1 (01:29:02):
Uh, comel from Georgia. I know the Hall of Fame
is mostly about players, but what about coaches? Bill Belichick
and I'm assuming Josh McDaniels will get in. Do we
see any other coaches getting it?

Speaker 3 (01:29:12):
I don't know, but I wouldn't make the last assumption.

Speaker 4 (01:29:14):
Yeah, well, I mean Dante's in, and then Bill will
get in when.

Speaker 3 (01:29:19):
He's Yeah, Bill, Bill's automatic.

Speaker 6 (01:29:21):
We've talked a little bit about Chuck Fairbanks and you
know his worthiness, especially now with Parcels going in.

Speaker 3 (01:29:27):
I think Chuck Fairbanks is a strong candidate. I've argued
on his on these behalf a couple of times. He's
been on the ballot. He's a guy who has been
on the ballot and he will not ever get in.
I unless he's put in by a committee, separate committee.
I'm never going to get voted in. Yeah, that's past
Ray very not probably not. I mean that's never going
to get voted in. Should I would say yes on

(01:29:50):
Fairbanks probably know on Belly, but for the same reasons
that see like in my view, like Fairbanks kind of
made the Berry teams. That's why your Fairbanks extra credit.
But there's no like decisions who's in who's out there.
That's where there's no set way. That's all individual. Like

(01:30:10):
Fred and I always argue we like a smaller hall.
That's probably why Fred you push back on the multiples
in a year because you like smaller.

Speaker 6 (01:30:18):
Yeah, but I just could you ever imagine that happening
though with the committee where you just you guys talk
about people and you just say, I don't think we
really have somebody.

Speaker 1 (01:30:30):
Not for the near future.

Speaker 3 (01:30:31):
Based on the eleven or twelve nominations we get every
single year. The problem the last three or four of
them would stun you. First of all, they would make
you go to the media guy Devan to figure out
who these guys even were. But old school people they're not,
I know, is.

Speaker 1 (01:30:48):
You know, see the system we have would be fine
within the Jets because they'd be struggling somebody.

Speaker 3 (01:30:55):
Yeah right, Nope, we can't put them in every year.

Speaker 4 (01:30:59):
I do feel like some of those older guys though,
like Chuck Fairbanks, like now that my generation is starting
to realize that you don't just win Super Bowls every year,
like some of those guys, Like I don't know if
we would vote for them necessarily, but like yeah, but
like I think you start to fred one of those Yeah.
Like you know, we were talking yesterday on Catch twenty
two about some of like you know, not just John Hannah,

(01:31:21):
but like Stanley Morgan and Mike Haynes and Andre Tippitt
and like, well now it's like, well, yeah, they could
probably use it. Leon gray Or and Andre tippittt liked
when the Dynasty was rolling, it was like whatever, right,
But like now I feel like there's a maybe a
little bit more appreciation for like a fair Banks.

Speaker 2 (01:31:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:31:41):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:31:41):
Dave Boston, Dave Writes, and Evan and Barth spoke about
retired numbers yesterday, mentioning that twelve and fifty six should
never be issued again. Evan also mentioned eighty seven not
being issued again. I know fifty seven has not been
issued since Steve Nelson retired, would you all be willing
to issue fifty seven again? Absolutely?

Speaker 3 (01:32:00):
Is fifty seven not retired?

Speaker 1 (01:32:01):
I don't think it is.

Speaker 3 (01:32:03):
Why hasn't it been issue?

Speaker 1 (01:32:05):
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (01:32:06):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:32:06):
I have the double check on if it has or
hasn't should be, but the only.

Speaker 1 (01:32:10):
So that you can't retire numbers in football.

Speaker 4 (01:32:13):
There's a lot of retired numbers talk because of Abuel
Carter trying to take Lawrence Taylor toever so that that's
come up, and I've seen I've seen some people this
is kind of what sparked it. I've seen a lot
of people have the take of being anti retired numbers altogether,
like we shouldn't retire any numbers and.

Speaker 1 (01:32:31):
It should be just like so special. Yeah, it should
be like Tom Brady eighty and then no other regard.

Speaker 4 (01:32:37):
Well that was just my only point. Like these people
were like no retired numbers at all. It's like, I'm sorry,
but like no one's wearing twelve again, Like that's not happening.
Like I don't care what if you think that you know,
whoever else you know that's up there that probably shouldn't
be up there. To some people, like whatever, but like
twelve is like that's different.

Speaker 1 (01:32:57):
But the problem with football is unless you get into
start starting getting into triple digits or decimals, you always
need at least sixty or somewdd numbers available. You start
retiring all these numbers and you're gonna run out.

Speaker 3 (01:33:11):
So according to Wikipedia, which is a great source, Steve
Nelson's number is retired.

Speaker 1 (01:33:19):
It is retired.

Speaker 3 (01:33:20):
So it's twelve for Brady obviously, twenty for Gino, forty
for Mike Haynes, fifty seven for Steve Nelson, seventy three
for John Hannah, seventy eight for Bruce Armstrong, seventy nine
for Jim Lee Hunt, and eighty nine for Bob d
It's a funny story about the Bruce Armstrong one.

Speaker 1 (01:33:36):
I'm not sure what you see before when the Sullivan's here,
they started retiring these numbers and it was premature. Yeah,
like these guys shouldn't have their numbers retire.

Speaker 3 (01:33:45):
I would say that the defensive guys d I mean,
Steve Nelson had a worthy of conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:33:53):
It was a great pay.

Speaker 3 (01:33:54):
He was a great player, Hall of.

Speaker 1 (01:33:55):
Famer, no doubt, But you shouldn't have a retired number.

Speaker 3 (01:34:00):
Like under your guys. Yes, you're right, like guys shouldn't
have retired numbers, right because it's football, right. But if
you're going to talk about retiring numbers, he's in the conversation. Okay,
that's all I would say. I'm I signed more with.

Speaker 8 (01:34:14):
Fred more so than like a Gronk who many to me,
it's twelve greatest.

Speaker 3 (01:34:18):
Would would be the only number I would have.

Speaker 1 (01:34:21):
You've got the Hall of Fame. Retired numbers is a
step above that.

Speaker 4 (01:34:25):
Yeah, you know, I think twelve and seventy three for
the Patriots.

Speaker 3 (01:34:28):
Have to be I mean, I could, I could listen
to that argument, but I would just say twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:34:32):
Yeah, I would like twelve.

Speaker 3 (01:34:33):
It's everything. It's the accolades, individual, it's the titles, it's
the team achieved and everything that goes with it.

Speaker 6 (01:34:39):
To me, seeing these numbers still in circulation, I'll use
fifty as an example for obvious uses, but it just
it brings back memories of those other players and you
know those that fifty six or you know, just throwing
out you don't see it anymore, you kind of forget.
It would be nice if he brought them back, and
then maybe the player who wears that number has some
kind of connection to the players who have worn it before, Like, yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:35:00):
It was nice. Yeah, he just tweeted about is it
Henderson wearing thirty two?

Speaker 7 (01:35:05):
Yeah, just like running back.

Speaker 8 (01:35:07):
Cool to see, like he's not salty about it. I
think Devin's realistic in the fact that he's probably not
going to get his number retired. And I don't know,
it's cool even if it's like it's a defensive player
and an offensive player, but to just have some sort
of connection to that new generation.

Speaker 3 (01:35:23):
Even made a joke out of it, and it'd be
good to see someone with some speed. God number.

Speaker 4 (01:35:31):
It was two pointing to get fishing.

Speaker 8 (01:35:36):
We're fishing.

Speaker 4 (01:35:37):
Actually probably I think he ran a faster forty times
than Henderson did too, but like he was fast. We
were also talking about, you know, in college like well, well,
Campbell obviously had the seven patch and the number seven
and eighteen at LSU. Like I think it would be
cool if like we had that a little bit in
the NFL, where like certain Jersey numbers were like like

(01:35:58):
fifty five at USC yeah yeah, or like you know,
the one we talked about was, you know, twenty four
is like your star corner, you know, where's twenty four?
Because of Tai Law and Grievous and Gilmour all were
twenty four.

Speaker 8 (01:36:11):
So soccer ten is you're playing right, right, you know, like.

Speaker 4 (01:36:14):
The numbers like that. You know, maybe like fifty four
is like the line like the mic starting mic, you know,
is fifty four. Obviously you'd have to earn it, like
or not just handing it out like it's nothing. But
you know, like at this point, like I feel like
Gonzo would like probably have what it would you could say,
would earn twenty Do you.

Speaker 1 (01:36:33):
Think players would think about that? Because players have their
they come in with their own affinity number, right.

Speaker 4 (01:36:39):
I think that's like they have a brand that's that's
obviously like the pushback on it.

Speaker 1 (01:36:43):
But like agree with seven.

Speaker 4 (01:36:46):
I had the mystique though, as it does in college,
Like I feel like they would go for it.

Speaker 8 (01:36:49):
I agree with Evan, like Gonzo might be a different
case because like again like branding like the zero and
the zo, like it makes sense and it's kind of
natural for him to be wearing the zero. But if
you're coming into a team and you know that's the history,
that's the tradition, or it's a situation like a ten
in soccer, Like you want to wear that for that reason?

Speaker 7 (01:37:09):
So what's the ten thing in soccer?

Speaker 4 (01:37:11):
Top play maker?

Speaker 3 (01:37:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:37:13):
Nine is the top goal scorer usually like pure goal scorer.

Speaker 1 (01:37:17):
Not knowing, Yeah, David says, I'm also looking forward to
seeing the rival jerseys. Any idea when images will be available?
I think in the summer they might be releasing it.

Speaker 6 (01:37:28):
Yeah, I think the summer, Yeah, around training camp.

Speaker 1 (01:37:33):
Yeah. And finally I would love to see throwbacks this
year be red pants with the white jersey. I think
those are sharp.

Speaker 3 (01:37:41):
They are sharp.

Speaker 7 (01:37:41):
That's Paul's favorite, correct.

Speaker 3 (01:37:44):
Yeah. I liked the white with the red in the
late seventies. There's a lot of color in the league.
Then looks good, good stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:37:54):
I don't know we've had this discussion before. I just
know back then people thought our uniforms were stupid, and
now they're Oh, I love those, don't it.

Speaker 3 (01:38:05):
Don't confuse the logo with the uniform. It's not the
same thing.

Speaker 1 (01:38:09):
People.

Speaker 4 (01:38:09):
Yeah, people didn't like the logo, they like the pat
Patriot weren't even alive when they actually wore them regularly.

Speaker 3 (01:38:17):
So this is but I mean, do you have to
be alive to look at something and say do.

Speaker 2 (01:38:21):
You like that or do you like this?

Speaker 1 (01:38:23):
Yeah, I'm just saying like people were, so they tried
to change it. I told you is one of them.

Speaker 3 (01:38:29):
Eric is a he's like everything else with Eric. He's
an obnoxious purist.

Speaker 2 (01:38:34):
But they were.

Speaker 3 (01:38:36):
They had a contest in the late seventies. They were
going to change the logo and the new one that
they had designed got booed out of the stadium because
it was terrible. Right, They loved it because because they
liked the pat Patriot.

Speaker 1 (01:38:48):
And the alternative wasn't better. I'm telling you I was
a season.

Speaker 3 (01:38:53):
But you can say the alternative wasn't better. That means
that the pat Patriot was better.

Speaker 1 (01:38:58):
I know, but they it sucked. The other one sucked worse.

Speaker 3 (01:39:02):
Okay. I don't think a lot of people felt like that.
I thought it was just an average.

Speaker 1 (01:39:06):
People they said. They said it looked like a guy
taking a dumb I said, I said that all the time.

Speaker 3 (01:39:12):
He's wearing he's spiking the ball.

Speaker 1 (01:39:18):
That's fine, but that's our problem is that our mascot
is a human being. That's our problem.

Speaker 4 (01:39:24):
You don't Pat Patriot.

Speaker 1 (01:39:26):
You know, if you're going to be if you're going
to be a human being mascot. It's got to be
like a pirate, you know, it's got to be like
a character, fictional character. Ours is a minute man, you know,
which is fine.

Speaker 4 (01:39:39):
But like you know, said, like Lucky's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (01:39:42):
Well I don't even like Lucky. I don't like Lucky either.

Speaker 4 (01:39:44):
Oh, I just feel like that's awful.

Speaker 7 (01:39:50):
That's the one that somebody, somebody in MS team put
it together.

Speaker 3 (01:39:54):
You don't see the comparisons. I see where they were
eventually change everybody, we get this. My one there is
the one of the time, Come on now is much better,
but it's it's based on the Elvis. Yeah, but the.

Speaker 1 (01:40:07):
Elves is much better than that.

Speaker 3 (01:40:09):
That's terrible. They're both terrible. But they literally got booed
out like they had a fan vote, like why they did,
and that's how it was the game against.

Speaker 4 (01:40:17):
Me that looks like it was awful. School kid did
know that I'm not arguing on behalf on behalf.

Speaker 3 (01:40:24):
Of this logo, that that logo was terrible, the one
that they tried, and people literally started chanting, we want
the old ones.

Speaker 7 (01:40:30):
Just nostalgia, right, like that's what people love. I think
they didn't love it, but now that's.

Speaker 2 (01:40:36):
It is what it was.

Speaker 1 (01:40:37):
That's let's see Claire Wrights and hello everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:40:40):
Liver Marina girl, She.

Speaker 1 (01:40:43):
Says, I'm with Paul and Deuce. Too many numbers are retired.
You shouldn't see anyone in twelve ever again. But put
the rest back in circulation. It's more fun. Oh except
eighty seven.

Speaker 3 (01:40:55):
That's not of course, Claire, she needs her tight end number. Yeah,
I just feel there's probably too many numbers retired. I'm
with I'm with Fred on that.

Speaker 1 (01:41:05):
Tyler from Georgia says Chicago Pope should be played by
Dan Ackroyd and instead of a sitcom, it should be
the plot of Blues Brothers three.

Speaker 3 (01:41:15):
We really we haven't nailed the line of disrespect of
Chicago Pope. No religion?

Speaker 7 (01:41:22):
Well are you? Are you confirmed in the Catholic Church?

Speaker 1 (01:41:25):
Bull? I am too. I'm communion James Pettigrew.

Speaker 3 (01:41:32):
After first communion I did.

Speaker 1 (01:41:33):
I was allowed.

Speaker 8 (01:41:35):
It started to interfere with basketball and SOCCERD you just
disagree I'm not doing that. No, I actually didn't mind
it at all. It was more my mom like lugging
me to soccer, to dance, to gymnastics, to basketball, and
also her and my grandmother, like, I think it was part.

(01:41:56):
It was part my mom rebelling against her mother taking me.
But I never made my confirmation, So I can't get
married in a Catholic.

Speaker 3 (01:42:03):
Two children in the same exact. They both received communion
and I did the same thing. That was just too
many extracurriculars. But it was not rebelling against my mother.

Speaker 7 (01:42:11):
She's still mad about it.

Speaker 3 (01:42:12):
It's fear that someday she's going to wake up and say, hey,
why were they not confirmed. I don't think she's really
thought about it.

Speaker 8 (01:42:19):
Yeah, I can't get married in church.

Speaker 1 (01:42:22):
I did. I did all this stuff, but in I
think junior in high school, I told my mother I'm
not going to church anymore, and she's like, oh, they
usually don't do that until college.

Speaker 3 (01:42:32):
I love the role playing.

Speaker 1 (01:42:33):
That was it. I was done. I'm done with it.

Speaker 7 (01:42:36):
I was Eastern mass out in California.

Speaker 3 (01:42:38):
My sister was visiting. Were trying to be good Catholic?
Oh really, you didn't want grand kids?

Speaker 4 (01:42:45):
Pretty pretty pretty different directions.

Speaker 3 (01:42:48):
And now you work for the Flyers. When I was in.

Speaker 1 (01:42:55):
When I was when I was in Catholic school third grade,
they taught us that you had the They taught us
that you have the same chance of going to heaven
as putting an elephant through the eye of a needle, right,
but priests have a they're closer, they have a closer
connection to God. So I thought, okay, I want to
go to heaven a maximum, I got no shot at it,
so I better be a priest. So I told the

(01:43:16):
nuns that okay, I want to be a priest.

Speaker 3 (01:43:18):
So like, oh, you're child.

Speaker 1 (01:43:21):
But at the same time, I.

Speaker 3 (01:43:22):
Was a bad like what you're spontaneously combusted like I wasn't.
I was a person who got in trouble a lot.
So this is Chicago.

Speaker 8 (01:43:33):
Streets of Chicago.

Speaker 1 (01:43:34):
So they so they would hold this against me. You know,
you want to be a priest, but you're you're misbehaving,
blah blah blah. So one day father Sister Berkman sat me,
stood me up in front of the class, and she
had these color pictures of a priest performing mass and
she said, this is in front of the class. She
said to me, do you want these? And I'm like, yeah,
I'll take them. She goes, all right, well you have

(01:43:55):
to promise from now on you'll be good. And I'm like, no,
I can't do that, Like I figured if I did that,
and then I'd be lying, like how can like a
fifth grade kid or whatever grade it was promised to
be good for the rest of their lives. So I said, no,
woman of God level. She freaks out, letter letter to

(01:44:17):
my parents, the whole man.

Speaker 7 (01:44:19):
Yeah, that's what we got. So we got Chicago.

Speaker 6 (01:44:21):
Pope is the eight o'clock hour, and then at nine
o'clock comes Father Fred a little lighter.

Speaker 9 (01:44:27):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:44:28):
Father Fred is one of the characters I was going
to give you. And it was like, there's like a
sister Susan and she's hot, but she's like she's the
forbidden fruit, like he can't have her, but all the
guys want her.

Speaker 3 (01:44:47):
Sister Kate was really.

Speaker 2 (01:44:50):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:44:51):
I think we got Wednesdays, you know, Catholic Wednesdays on NBC.

Speaker 1 (01:44:56):
We need to workshop Fred. He did things a little different.

Speaker 4 (01:45:02):
Premiere on the.

Speaker 8 (01:45:03):
First day, elent right, work not Tuesday, make more sense.

Speaker 3 (01:45:07):
Come in on Friday and he's like he's got like
a roast.

Speaker 1 (01:45:15):
In Australia Saturday.

Speaker 7 (01:45:16):
Who oh, Father Fred.

Speaker 1 (01:45:23):
College hot.

Speaker 3 (01:45:29):
We're all we're all going to die except me, My God,
give me my God.

Speaker 1 (01:45:37):
And then he's got the rabbi friend and he's like
Jackie Mason, you appreciate than you can all.

Speaker 4 (01:45:47):
Be friends.

Speaker 1 (01:45:49):
To heaven.

Speaker 4 (01:45:49):
That I do because I mean there's some pretty fantaus times.

Speaker 1 (01:45:52):
I love.

Speaker 3 (01:45:54):
Meet up with the Jewish delikind Like that's when you
know Fred has his condition.

Speaker 4 (01:45:58):
I mean, why don't we have to be so stereotypical?
Why do you have to talk like this?

Speaker 1 (01:46:04):
Look it ups, we're walking chalk telling. Everybody makes a joke,
all right, good stuff. James Pettig were the most interesting
Patriots fan in the world. He says, take the vote
out of the fans hands. I used to spend hours
locked in the toilet making prank phone calls to Comcast
of steam age, and I'm considered a culture Patriots fan.

(01:46:26):
No one over fifty is voting online for anything.

Speaker 8 (01:46:29):
Really, you should not be on the toilet longer than
ten minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:46:32):
I'm over fifty, I vote for online.

Speaker 8 (01:46:34):
This is a it's a significant increase in your risk
for correctal cancer. What being on the toilet longer than
ten minutes?

Speaker 12 (01:46:42):
Just playing on your phone, it's a it's are like
the phone is the problem because of the fumes.

Speaker 3 (01:46:51):
Like why the phone.

Speaker 8 (01:46:55):
Maybe it has something to do with the blood rushing
to your butthole.

Speaker 15 (01:46:58):
It could be, well, you're not standing there.

Speaker 8 (01:47:03):
Playing on the exposure from the back people from having
to time Cancerson, this is not one of the better segments.

Speaker 3 (01:47:15):
No, I's usually I'm like, she knows exactly this one.

Speaker 1 (01:47:20):
She's like, there the blood rushing near your butthole.

Speaker 3 (01:47:25):
Gives me much power too soon, that's what happened. Now,
she's got to look it up.

Speaker 8 (01:47:31):
To look it up, I know, I don't know if
I want to know then of it over here?

Speaker 3 (01:47:39):
Oh boy, off season that Tommy Mallick guys five eleven.

Speaker 4 (01:47:43):
Yeah, we're making a really big deal of Tommy below
right now. I'm not really sure why nobody knows what
you're talking about Good Morning Football for like all day.

Speaker 3 (01:47:53):
I feel like you just runs.

Speaker 1 (01:47:54):
It's the same show, right, It's no Good Afternoon Football, Right,
it's a two hour show that they've.

Speaker 4 (01:47:59):
Been old bald, but still I've seen him. It's a
two hour show, and I think one hundred and fifty minutes.

Speaker 11 (01:48:05):
Of it been.

Speaker 2 (01:48:08):
Longer.

Speaker 3 (01:48:08):
Thanes, I can't talk about.

Speaker 4 (01:48:12):
Chicago last night, trying to fix the Celtics. I'm sorry, I.

Speaker 1 (01:48:19):
Think now in Portland, Maine. I take exception with Alex
saying Slater is just a special teamer. The person who
emailed in, I think he is one of, if not
the greatest special team or in NFL history, and certainly
in Patriots history. He deserves it also Patriots and Nick
fan go rout for the Jets. Bozo oh.

Speaker 8 (01:48:40):
I meant that in terms of like he plays special teams,
not he's just a special teamer.

Speaker 4 (01:48:46):
I think that we're talking about and I don't think
they are talking about you.

Speaker 8 (01:48:49):
Because he said he took exception with what Alex said.

Speaker 4 (01:48:52):
I thought that there was an Alex who was an emailery.
I know you didn't say it like that.

Speaker 8 (01:48:59):
Slayers biggest fan.

Speaker 7 (01:49:00):
Yeah, that was still cracking me up.

Speaker 6 (01:49:02):
The discussion where we're like Pop Douglas, he's one of
Drake May's weapons, but he's not a weapon.

Speaker 2 (01:49:07):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:49:07):
That's it. That's a nism. It's one of the few
things that I actually use that he brought to the
table consistently. You know, there's a difference between a guy
who gets gets ten sacks in a ten sack guy.

Speaker 2 (01:49:18):
There you go, there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:49:20):
That's how I believe, that's how it originated with Mark
Anderson is a guy who had ten sacks, but he's
not necessarily a ten sack guy.

Speaker 4 (01:49:28):
That's fair, I mean, not in that case.

Speaker 3 (01:49:30):
That but that's how we use it, you know. Like
it's like when you say a lot of times when
you watch a receiver who runs a four to two,
but he doesn't play to that. There's a differ between
a four to two.

Speaker 1 (01:49:41):
Guy and.

Speaker 7 (01:49:43):
Taekwon runs a four two, but he's not a four.

Speaker 3 (01:49:45):
Hill is a four to two guy, but he might
not run a four to two anymore, do you know
what I'm saying? Like his play speed is clearly faster
than everybody else.

Speaker 4 (01:49:53):
There was a lot of guys like that in this
draft that ran a lot faster than I thought they would,
And I was like, no, not not pas in the
eye test, no place speed, place speed over time speed
all day.

Speaker 1 (01:50:05):
So James Petty also brings up another point. We're talking
about retired numbers and how that's the pinnacle, then what
is the statue.

Speaker 4 (01:50:14):
Higher pinnacle that's even the high.

Speaker 3 (01:50:18):
Yeah, yeah, I'm not a big statue.

Speaker 7 (01:50:21):
We're still doing that Brady statue.

Speaker 1 (01:50:24):
It's got to line up, you know. We'll see when
the schedule comes out. If we have what the Fox
games are, maybe we can line that up. It's because
I kind of think he needs to be here when
you do it, right, Yeah, that's what.

Speaker 4 (01:50:37):
They did, Like when they revealed the Rocky statue. That's
exactly what you can't just like have Rocky Nott there.

Speaker 6 (01:50:42):
He don't let Culver Lank show up and hopefully down
days doesn't his motorcycle buy and throw his helmet at
the statue.

Speaker 4 (01:50:50):
Oh yeah, because he's angry because you old man ain't
got no hot. Well he died. I'll just recreating the
sound of.

Speaker 1 (01:51:06):
Jack and and Ava.

Speaker 4 (01:51:07):
That's a different movie.

Speaker 1 (01:51:08):
Sorry, different movie. That's four Jack and and Hitting on
another subject we were talking about, it says I lived
in Chicago for nearly a decade, so I speak with
credibility when I say that Chicago is similar to Boston
in two significant ways. First, both Chicago and Boston have
large Irish communities that have a long history involvement in

(01:51:28):
city politics and corruption. Second, second, like Boston, Chicago is
home to two of the nation's most distinguished universities, the
University of Chicago and Northwestern I am not presuming to
say that those schools are equal to Harvard and MIT.

Speaker 4 (01:51:46):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:51:47):
Well, Megan might disagree, but yeah, I would say they
are excellent schools. But I just would say that Boston
has much more than just Harvard and.

Speaker 1 (01:51:54):
MIT Northeastern to name one.

Speaker 3 (01:51:55):
I mean, right, a lot more than just that.

Speaker 4 (01:51:57):
I just felt like it was the vibe was similar,
you know, like to feel to the city and like.

Speaker 6 (01:52:03):
People listening that to me about water, which I didn't feel.
I didn't feel San Francisco was bostony.

Speaker 4 (01:52:10):
No, I've heard that about Seattle too, that Seattle is
a little bostony.

Speaker 7 (01:52:13):
A little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:52:14):
Yeah, I like Seattle. I like Seattle.

Speaker 4 (01:52:16):
But I've actually really heard that about Vancouver.

Speaker 3 (01:52:18):
But I moved never been to Vancouver, have been there either.

Speaker 1 (01:52:21):
All right, let's get some phone calls wrapped up here.
We're coming down the home stretch. Matthews in Arizona. What's up, Matthew?
H He was holding on for a long time, so
he gave up. I think he had a review of Chicago, Pope. Yeah,
or maybe he's going on is that a real show? Uh?
Noah is in Toronto? What's up? Noah?

Speaker 4 (01:52:41):
Toronto?

Speaker 1 (01:52:42):
Noah? Is it raining?

Speaker 3 (01:52:48):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (01:52:48):
No?

Speaker 16 (01:52:51):
So I wanted to ask, what's the draft and the
free agency over if there was one thing you could
change about her off season, what change would you make?

Speaker 10 (01:53:00):
And I'll give my answer.

Speaker 16 (01:53:02):
I think, looking back, I would have made the Dk
Metcalf trade, give up the second forum. I think it
ended up being essentially trade on Henderson's topon Diggs and
maybe like five to ten extra million dollars for DK.

Speaker 10 (01:53:14):
Metcalf, and I just I don't know.

Speaker 16 (01:53:17):
I don't I'm kind of skeptical about Gigs the thirty
two coming off the Tornado, and I don't see running
backs as a valuable but I think Metcalf would have
been better in my opinion. But curious if you guys
could make one change to their off season.

Speaker 1 (01:53:32):
Well, it's a good one.

Speaker 4 (01:53:33):
That's what immediately came to mind.

Speaker 3 (01:53:35):
I like that one.

Speaker 1 (01:53:35):
Yeah, So would you rather have Metcalftain Henderson?

Speaker 2 (01:53:38):
No, No, I would.

Speaker 3 (01:53:41):
I'm going to go to the wide receiver with a
running bank. That's not a personal right.

Speaker 4 (01:53:45):
Yeah, I think that's the one fair second guess. Like,
if you're going to second guess anything, it's probably that.
I don't know. I mean, I probably take Dk. Also,
he's also approving.

Speaker 3 (01:53:57):
And no was scenario. I would still want Digs too,
Like that wouldn't preclude you making that trade for dk
Metcalf shouldn't have eliminated adding Stefan Diggs. I would have
done both.

Speaker 1 (01:54:11):
I like the ark of his question. Rodney's in Delaware.
What's up? Rodney?

Speaker 11 (01:54:15):
Get it?

Speaker 2 (01:54:16):
No one got it?

Speaker 1 (01:54:17):
Fred fell flat Rodney. He was on for over in
an hour, so I don't blame him. Okay, he's gone. Well.

Speaker 3 (01:54:24):
Plus, you know I haven't exactly eve been on point.
We had dallash Clock on this show. Rodney here want to.

Speaker 2 (01:54:29):
Come on there?

Speaker 1 (01:54:30):
And I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:54:35):
Da against Rodney Harri.

Speaker 1 (01:54:38):
So Pascal in New York City has an explanation of
how someone could be both a Knicks fan and a
Patriots fan.

Speaker 3 (01:54:47):
He says total.

Speaker 1 (01:54:48):
He says, some people seem just don't seem to get
how this works. Some of us grew up in the
part of New England that's also the New York City
metro area. I'm a Patriots, Yankees, Rangers, Yukon fan because
I grew up in Fairfield County, Connecticut. Patriots and Knicks
are perfectly logical.

Speaker 3 (01:55:04):
I think you can have favorite teams right. I don't
have a respect for that, Fred Connecticut. That's why Fred's
you don't hit Fred making fun of this guy.

Speaker 1 (01:55:11):
No, No, I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:55:14):
I was.

Speaker 1 (01:55:14):
I was a Broncos fan.

Speaker 3 (01:55:15):
Name a title winner, was a fan?

Speaker 1 (01:55:18):
No, No, it wasn't because of that, because when I
was a Broncos fan, they had never won anything.

Speaker 3 (01:55:22):
No, Fred, like a lot of different teams. It was
just I like the a f C.

Speaker 1 (01:55:27):
I like like Willie Lanier and the Chiefs, like I
gravitated to the a f C West for somebody, I father, Fred,
Father Fred, what is that? That was the new pope?

Speaker 8 (01:55:48):
And you were showing us that the first time.

Speaker 12 (01:55:52):
It's like, oh that's funny, your excellency, Yeah, correct, Oh
my god, that's fine.

Speaker 4 (01:56:04):
And I know I'm just gonna probably get me some heat.
But like just like pick one City and like their
teams like I do.

Speaker 3 (01:56:12):
But.

Speaker 6 (01:56:15):
Another team at all though, Ever, I was a Seahawks
guy for some reason. I still don't know why.

Speaker 3 (01:56:19):
I like Steve Largent and I like the Seahawks growing up.

Speaker 2 (01:56:21):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:56:22):
But did you like the Seahawks? Like if they played
the Patriots, you would look for the Seahawks. No, I
don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:56:28):
I know there's a lot of people like that, so
I'm not trying to throw too much shade. I just personally,
like when you're from Boston and you like all the
Boston teams, like you're maybe like a little bit bigger
than a fan than like people that are from a
different state that are like, oh, I'm like a Patriots,
Cowboys Celtics.

Speaker 8 (01:56:45):
And that's what I was gonna say. Patriots Knicks isn't
nearly as bad as like a Patriots Lakers fan, like
Patriots Lakers or like.

Speaker 4 (01:56:53):
A Dallas Lakers fan, which happened. Cowboys Lakers happens a lot.

Speaker 8 (01:56:57):
And then throw the Yankees in there of.

Speaker 3 (01:57:00):
Teams that I liked, but my teams were the four
of Boston teams. But I had a lot of friends
that liked all kinds of different teams. Like when we
were growing up, Fred and I like, there were a
lot of people that didn't like the Patriots Necessarily you
could never watch them.

Speaker 1 (01:57:13):
They weren't any good and they weren't on TV.

Speaker 3 (01:57:15):
So you know, when I was little, it was like
Dallas Pittsburgh all the time, and you picked one of
those two teams. I always rooted for Dallas. They always lost.

Speaker 4 (01:57:22):
The only team that I ever got into that was
like a little I was the Clippers because they're not
the Lakers, so there's no rivalry with the Celtics. When
I was living out there, that was Chris Paul Blake, Griffin,
DeAndre Jordan, JJ Reddick, Like they were really good. So
I went to a bunch of Clippers games, but I
never like was like caring. I just it was fun.

Speaker 3 (01:57:42):
Never root for the Clippers over no.

Speaker 4 (01:57:44):
And then when the Celtics would come to town, I'd
go to that game in Green Like I tried, I get.

Speaker 3 (01:57:48):
You Seattle things. I tried to Seattle team that they
were fun. Steve Largen like st.

Speaker 7 (01:57:55):
I had the football cards. But I tried to do
the Dodgers too.

Speaker 3 (01:57:58):
I just I couldn't. You can't make yourself be a
f I don't think that's possible.

Speaker 4 (01:58:01):
But the Clippers was pretty easy because Doc Rivers was
the coach at the time and JJ Redick is one
of my favorite players, so he was on the Clippers.
So that that team was, like, I was easy.

Speaker 3 (01:58:13):
We were just destined to argue you.

Speaker 1 (01:58:16):
I never played.

Speaker 3 (01:58:17):
Oh did I hate g J Redim?

Speaker 1 (01:58:18):
I mean Paul made fun of me. But until eighth grade,
I lived in New Jersey, so I was a Mets,
next Rangers and uh Jets fan.

Speaker 3 (01:58:26):
I don't make fun of you for that.

Speaker 1 (01:58:27):
I read the Brad Park book and he called the
Boston fans bush league, and then he got traded to
the Bruins. So that's kind of like how I was.

Speaker 4 (01:58:34):
It kind of explains a lot anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:58:38):
All right, that's gonna be like the Denver thing, like
all of a sudden, Denver's good.

Speaker 1 (01:58:41):
And no, it wasn't all of a sudden. I was
a Denver fan when Craig Morton was the quarterback.

Speaker 3 (01:58:46):
I went to the Super Bowl, but.

Speaker 1 (01:58:48):
I was a fan before they went to the Super Bowl.
That was the payoff, that was, and I became even
more of a fan than when Elway became quarterback.

Speaker 3 (01:58:55):
I became even more of a fan and they went
to four Super bowl Right. Well, you said the Paul
resonated with me.

Speaker 1 (01:59:00):
I invested early, maybe maybe five. I was an early investor.
That's smart.

Speaker 6 (01:59:05):
But like growing up here, I was in the eighties.
Even when the Patriots went to Super I remember, like
one of my that's friends. It was a huge forty
nine ers fan like he had all forty nine ers stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:59:12):
I have a million, you know, friends like that.

Speaker 7 (01:59:14):
People love the winners.

Speaker 3 (01:59:16):
Yeah, sorry, he still likes the forty nine ers for
what it's worth.

Speaker 1 (01:59:19):
All right, that's gonna be it for this edition of
Patriots Unfiltered. I hope everyone has a good weekend. What's
the weekend supposed to be like around here?

Speaker 3 (01:59:27):
Saturday? Rain, rain, Saturday is supposed to beautiful.

Speaker 1 (01:59:29):
For Mother's Day, I got a lot of stuff to do,
all right.

Speaker 4 (01:59:32):
Call your moms.

Speaker 1 (01:59:32):
Yeah, call your moms. Make sure you take care of
her and uh, you guys going out doing brunch or
anything like that. Some plans.

Speaker 7 (01:59:43):
Gott gotta go to church for Father Fred.

Speaker 1 (01:59:44):
Though, Father Fred's given mass church in the morning and
get sermon ready. You got to do it. I'll have
to develop a Chicago accident.

Speaker 3 (01:59:54):
You know it's Chicago church nine.

Speaker 1 (01:59:58):
Workshop that off off air, all right, see you next Tuesday.

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Speaker 1 (02:00:40):
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I haven't know how to work it. I'm surprised. I
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