Patriots Unfiltered 6/17: Breaking Down the Roster, Pre-Training Camp Ponderings

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Speaker 1 (00:13):
Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
I have to you know, not the flex or anything.
But high school was like a good time for me.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
I mean like I was in nerd so I was
embarrassing to be in.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
With because Evan on Catch twenty two, you make a
noise that is so unfathomably uncomfortable futation, yeah, and then
it sounds like eh, but really under your breath, do
you know what he's talking about?

Speaker 3 (00:38):
Now we've all had, but now we do.

Speaker 4 (00:39):
Just does came up when I was with my buddies
about getting the ack was my girl was a little
interested in me, but I didn't like her because she
smelled like chocolate.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Everyone was like the chocolate and it was like.

Speaker 5 (00:49):
Her perfume or her sound whatever, wasn't it? And I
love chocolate?

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Oh yeah?

Speaker 6 (00:52):
When when is the person too far away to stop
and hold?

Speaker 1 (00:56):
You know what happened to me today?

Speaker 2 (00:57):
What's that distance? I think it's about ten feet?

Speaker 6 (01:00):
Told, it takes me about an hour, not even an hour,
Like that's.

Speaker 7 (01:03):
How small My love that's that it takes you an hour.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
He's doing it twice, so it should be a half
doors open. This is Patriots Unfiltered, presented by Toyota's official website.
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to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here at to Let Stadium,
an off season episode of Patriots Unfiltered. Uh so, I've

(01:29):
got something I want to talk about, Patriots related that
we'll get to in a second. But it's seven, it's Paul,
it's Deuce, it's me, and we're team Brunt today. Look
at us, it looks like we're prisoners. Like we just
got out on release, full work, release as new.

Speaker 4 (01:44):
Alex said, we got wonderful, wonderful stuff from the sponsor yesterday,
and I felt like, you know what, I'll be all
aware at the thing today, and you guys can.

Speaker 7 (01:53):
All were today.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
No.

Speaker 4 (01:55):
I was going first, but then Fred was, and then
you were like, well I'm going, and then Evid's like,
why can't so here we are?

Speaker 6 (02:00):
I came down with them and I was like, well, okay,
I guess we're wearing them today.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
We're doing it. We're team Brunt.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
They're very comfortable. I actually really I want to thank
them for the boots as well.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yeah, I even have my boots on. I got my
boots on, So thank you Brunch for the gear. And
we're happy with well, we're happy to wear anything free
that people send us.

Speaker 4 (02:20):
I mean, the boots are so nice. I don't I
don't know if I can. I'm going to really have
to suck it up to move my lawn on them.
I want to take care of that.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
I think I'm going to actually get the other boots
from them. You know, traditional work boots. But aren't you
going to.

Speaker 4 (02:33):
Feel bad, like you know, the grass clippings and well,
that's why.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
I want to get that's when i's that's why I
want to get traditional work boots from them. They have
the Marron the style you.

Speaker 4 (02:44):
Need, like the steel toe, and I don't need steel toe.

Speaker 7 (02:46):
But do you play use you like when you do work,
you put work boots on.

Speaker 8 (02:51):
No.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
I have what they call muck boots. They're almost like
rubber boots, but they're like shoes, not they're not boots,
and they're just waterproof. Yeah, you know for yard work,
for yard work really, Yeah, I get down a dirty pole.

Speaker 7 (03:05):
I have a pair of sneakers that I would never
I don't wear anymore.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
I'm all green, I'm weating, I'm watering. I'm just I'm
doing a bunch of stuff. Don't don't you get wet?

Speaker 7 (03:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yeah, so you don't want sneakers?

Speaker 7 (03:18):
Why forget?

Speaker 2 (03:20):
What am I doing?

Speaker 7 (03:20):
Why am I?

Speaker 2 (03:21):
Like? So you're not doing stuff but yard work?

Speaker 7 (03:24):
What are you doing yard work that you're you're soaking wet?

Speaker 2 (03:27):
Sometimes I'm out there in the rain. Sometimes I'm in
the mud weating, I'm watering with a hose, I'm doing stuff.

Speaker 6 (03:33):
I mean, you're not obligated to actually do the yard
work while it's raining. You can pick a time where
maybe it's not.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
Sometimes it's actually when the ground's moist and loose. It's
the best time to weed. You get this stuff right up.
You'll see gloves.

Speaker 7 (03:45):
You pull those weeds. It's moist and loose.

Speaker 6 (03:50):
Well, listen, it depends on what you hate. But anyway,
all right, I did almost. I was telling you as
we were coming back, I almost sent you a photo
of when I fin cutting my grass, just to show
you your patch how small it is.

Speaker 7 (04:07):
I did.

Speaker 6 (04:08):
I was, I like the guy who sent me the
offensive Lineman video Paul cutting his grass, always getting the work.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
I think, I think what you should do with that
patch is painted blue. Make it like the Blue Square
for those to Kraft would love that. What are you
looking at? Bugs? All right? All right? So you know,
as you know, I have a long commute and sometimes
I often think about, you know, Patriots related stuff, and
I was thinking, with the free agents that we brought in,

(04:39):
we've We've always said in the past, and it's true.
History will bear us out that when you bring in
a bunch of free agents all at once, rarely do
every one of them work out. You know, you're lucky
if half of them become regular contributors positively to the team.
But I was thinking, you know, in the case where

(04:59):
you have an new coach and now everybody on the
team is kind of learning at the same speed instead
of like a few years ago when we brought in
we had a lot of veterans learning, you know that
already knew everything, and then you bring in a hunter
Henry and they're trying to get up to speed with
the people. In this case, everybody's on the same page

(05:21):
because Rabel's new and it's all the staff is new.
I agree, and I think that might be an advantage
for these free agents, like they don't have to catch up.
Everything's being installed with them at the same speed as
the people who were here before because it's new to everybody.
So is that an advantage?

Speaker 3 (05:38):
Some of them were more familiar. Harol Landry is more
familiar with what they're doing than the guys that were here.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
Yep, a guy like him, sure, yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
And there's probably know Spallane was in Vegas with McDaniels,
and you know, there's a lot of familiarity with groups.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
Do you think that's a neutral or is it a negative?
Or is it an advantage this year to have everybody
learning at the same be and at the same time.

Speaker 4 (06:02):
I think I got to talk it out a little
bit because I'm not here the areet. I would look
back at twenty one and say, do you think the
reason that some of those players didn't work out was
because they were trying to assimilate into Bill Belle.

Speaker 7 (06:12):
That would be my pushback.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
I don't.

Speaker 6 (06:13):
I can't argue with anything that Fred said about it
being an advantage because it probably is that they're not
behind everybody else. They're all sort of on a level
playing field and everyone's right. There is even some that
are ahead of the game because they know Mike's stuff
a little bit. So I can't argue with Fred's overall premise.
I would just say that in my view of free agency,

(06:35):
I don't think a lot of people don't work out
in free agency because they can't pick up the system.
I think there are probably a variety of reasons. Most
of them, in my view, have to do with, well,
guys cash in and get a nice paycheck and they
no longer as motivated as maybe they once.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
Were, or they were available because they're not that good. Yeah,
So I don't know. I was just thinking about it.

Speaker 4 (06:56):
It's just it just I think it's a little more
chaotic in because some of the players that have been
here there's no guarantee that they're gonna pick up what
Josh McDaniels is throwing down now. So there's some degree
of uncertainty, you know, even with Drake May, what's that
going to look like? We saw progress in the summer
or say the spring, but it all has to come together.

Speaker 5 (07:16):
I'm not sure. I'm really not sure, but I think
it's a great point.

Speaker 7 (07:18):
And system fits. There's a lot of different.

Speaker 5 (07:20):
Look at that Glass in twenty one that they brought out.
You know, Hunter Henry's been solid for them.

Speaker 4 (07:24):
John Smith didn't work and even coming in you might
have said, might have been a little more excited about
Johnny Smith, just like the ceiling rasking And that.

Speaker 7 (07:31):
Would be an example to me of a system fit.

Speaker 6 (07:34):
Yeah, because obviously Smith has had some success in the league,
made a terrific year last year. Yeah, I mean so,
I mean it's not like you couldn't play. I don't
think it was like a laziness factor for him. I
think he probably just didn't fit great in McDaniels in
the Patriots offense.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
Yeah, I'm a deuce. I think that there's it's gonna go.
It could go either way for the players that are
also currently here on the roster, which I think is
in question, Like our certain guy guys that fit the
old system now not fits for this system. And does
that mean that they're now replaced by guys that they
brought in the advantage of the guys that they have

(08:10):
that they brought in is that there was a lot
of familiarity with this coaching staff in past stops. I
mentioned Harold Landry is probably the biggest one, but like
mac Collins was in Vegas with Josh McDaniels and had
a good year with the Raiders. A couple of years ago,
Jack Gibbons was with Rabel and Tennessee. You know, there
are a lot of guys like that, and they said

(08:31):
it when they signed a lot of these guys that
you have to have something like That's the only way
you can do this properly is have some familiarity so
that you hopefully avoid a John nu Smith where it's
not a system fit, it's not a fit in what
they want to do offensively, and then you end up
spending a lot of money and it doesn't work out
for both sides.

Speaker 4 (08:50):
I think a clear place where it might be interesting
to watch as the offensive line because you have a
lot of different body types, a lot of different strengths
and weaknesses.

Speaker 5 (08:58):
And that's a place where How do they.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Want to run the ball?

Speaker 4 (09:01):
Do they want to be a zone team and get
guys out in space and take advantage of will Campbell
cold strange their athleticism or do they want to be
a power team and really focus on the Morgan Moses
and then.

Speaker 5 (09:11):
Probably a combination of both. How does that all come together.

Speaker 4 (09:15):
I think that position might be a really interesting one
to what you're talking about. But I feel somewhat like
you're tossing the pieces up in the air, the pieces
that were here, some of the pieces that were with
coaches previously. You feel confident about that they have a
plan for those guys. But at the same time, someone
like Pop Douglas, we were really curious about him coming
into the spring what he He looks like he's fits
in and it looks like they have a plan for him,

(09:37):
you know. But Kendrick Bourne, I'm not sure. Jalen Polk,
I'm not sure, Booty, I'm not sure.

Speaker 5 (09:42):
All those guys. How is it all going to come together? Yeah,
and it'll be interesting, you know.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
And it kind of goes back to when we were
watching the first mini camp live outside we were doing
our show and Vrabel had his press conference before practice
and he was talking about bomb war and somebody asked him,
you know, what are he said, you know, he's co enthusiastic,
And it just dawned on me that we know more
than about bar more than maybe Rabel.

Speaker 8 (10:07):
Did.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
You know so all these well Evan does, but you know,
so all these players they're new to Rabel, you know,
with the exception of like a Landry and and Rabel's
new to.

Speaker 7 (10:22):
Them, so like like I like your outside the box
then Freddy, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (10:27):
That's that part of it's fascinating to me too, because
they're going to be guys from the last couple of
draft classes, especially that we thought the arrow was pointing
one way on that they might not have any use for.
And I don't mean that as a disrespectful thing, but
like they just might not see them as as what
the old regime saw them as. And I think in
the spring, like we saw maybe that with Leyden Robinson,

(10:49):
Like Leyden Robinson, I think a lot of us thought
was going to get the opportunity to start at left guard.
Potentially might still get it, but based off the Spring,
we didn't see him as much as some of the
other So example, you know, are we sure that they
have Freddy Jennings, Yeah, Like you know, Jelani Tavai, you know,
all the guys that we've talked about. Do they see
those players the same way that maybe we do because

(11:13):
they were in different schemes.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
I mean, it's a clean slave for everybody. I mean
because even the coaching staff. It's such a wholesale change
this year. You know, there weren't even a lot of
holdovers on the coaching staff, so there's no favorites. Really,
you know, a guy like Poke, there's no attachment to
him because he was my second round pick and you
know he's he's starting fresh with everybody else.

Speaker 4 (11:36):
Well, how did you guys see the with Bill from
his first year when he made some changes and then
the second year was really the year he brought in
all those free agents, right, But were there players you
felt like and this is the only real example we
have to go off of players that he held on
to in two thousand that you thought, all right, he's
holding on this guy. He's going to be a part
of it, and then he got into the season and realized, no,
this isn't you know some of these guys that I

(11:58):
maybe gave a chance to play under me or play
my style it didn't quite work out.

Speaker 5 (12:02):
Were the guys you know, I don't.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
I mean other than the guys they drafted. I think
they he hated everybody.

Speaker 6 (12:07):
Yeah, well, the two thousand team, two thousand and two
thousand and one, he over those two off seasons sort
of systematically got rid of a lot of the guys
that he didn't.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
Like Malloy and Law of course, Bruce Kip.

Speaker 6 (12:22):
There were holdovers like but there were veterans, you know,
I think Bruce Armstrong played one year with Belichick then left.

Speaker 7 (12:28):
Chris Slade I don't even think played a year right Belichick.
He you know, he was gone.

Speaker 6 (12:31):
So there was some veterans that he clearly didn't have
a long term vision of and he moved on and
he replaced, you know, like a guy like Bruce Armstrong
was thought to be a good leader, you know, maybe
good for the young guys, and so he went out
and he got like Anthony Pleasant and and guys like
that that could be leaders in different position obviously, but

(12:54):
the Bill guys he got his guys from the Jets
brought him here to sort of fill those kinds of roles.

Speaker 4 (13:00):
Able to totally make a team over in one offseason
in your image, I think, you know, it lined up
well for him this year that they were able to
bring in a number of guys because they had the
resources to do that. But I think it's a process
getting your team over the first few years. You're probably
situated in a place too. I didn't Bill even say
like it was really like they didn't think the two

(13:20):
thousand and one team was really put together to win
a super Bowl though that was a miracle to it,
but no or four division starts to actually come together.
But there probably are going to be some players on
this Patriots roster this year that maybe aren't their first
choice or maybe they aren't the best fits. But you
can't do everything in one offseason, so we'll see who
those players are.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
It's rare, what Bill did you know, especially with a
quarterback who had never started before, you know.

Speaker 6 (13:46):
And it's like, you know, to Mike's point, look at
wide receiver. They tried to get some guys, you know,
and the most notably Chris Godwin. Right, that's the one
reportedly that they offered a lot.

Speaker 7 (13:58):
Of money to.

Speaker 6 (14:01):
So my guess is they didn't necessarily this wasn't their
ideal situation to get Stefan Diggs coming off of twenty
at ACL and having it, you know, to sort of
invest in that.

Speaker 7 (14:12):
But you pivot, you do the best you can.

Speaker 6 (14:14):
To your point, Mike, you can't just completely remake the
roster exactly the way you want it in one offseason.
Now I think they've done a really good job of it.
And this is why, you know, I keep saying the
same story. People keep asking me when you when you
bump into people, well what do you think? And I
keep saying the same phrase. I think a lot of
the players they signed are better than the players they're
going to be replacing. That should translate to a better team,

(14:37):
a better roster. And that's I mean, let's face it.
We can talk all about schemes, you know, and Evan
does it really well. It breaks down a lot of
the stuff that they're going to be doing system wise
on both sides of the ball. It isn't going to
matter a lot if whatever the thirteen or fourteen guys
that they signed, if to Fred's point, at least half

(14:57):
of them aren't, you know, solid hits, because they need
more talent than they had.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (15:02):
The thought experiment that interests me though, is just if
frable Hood come in last year when all those guys
were coming up, and we talked about it plenty, but
the Duggers, the when us, you know, Paul, you were
famously like didn't really have a problem individually resigning any
of those guys, but in the total of bringing everybody back.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
And I looked at it.

Speaker 4 (15:20):
At the time as saying again, like you can't do
everything in one off season. You can't just let this
giant free agency class walk. You have to be selected.
But in my mind, how would Rabel have approached that.
Would he have kind of let everybody walk and try
to get his own guys?

Speaker 6 (15:35):
Just showed you he didn't get rid of everybody, but
he got rid of a good amount of people and
replaced them with guys that he thought were better, like in.

Speaker 4 (15:42):
Godshalk kind of move, Like that's a move to me
that signals solid player, not really going to fit what
we want to do, and we have.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
To for whatever reason. Last year, right from the beginning,
it seemed like everything they were doing was in catch
up mode, from filling out their coaching staf have to
filling out their roster. It was all like it seemed
like they were hurrying to do everything for whatever reason,
Like they didn't have the network, they didn't they didn't

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have the pro scouting. I don't know what the reason was,
but it seemed like they were taking shortcuts to do
everything because they didn't either know what they wanted to
do or didn't have the I disagree a.

Speaker 6 (16:22):
Little, okay, and only that I don't think it. I
don't think they try to take a short cut. I
think it was a misevaluation, I think, and I don't
have anything to back this up. So this is one
of those sort of Paul, you know, you can make
fun of me about this in two months, and you'll
probably be right to do that. I feel they what

(16:42):
was it, last year was twenty four, so the twenty
three four? The last year of Belichick was twenty three, right, yep.
I think if you asked your odd Mayo and the
staff that he kept, you know, like the Covington's and
the Pellegrinos and those kinds of guys, I think if
you gave him truth saying last February, they would say

(17:04):
we were better than a four and thirteen team. There's
more talent here than four and thirteen. We weren't coached
well last year. We had some justsfunctioning the coaching staff
last year. That's why we were four and thirteen. That's
why we're going to keep some of these guys, because
we think that these guys are better than they looked
last year.

Speaker 7 (17:19):
Okay, I think it was a misevaluation could be.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
It could be.

Speaker 6 (17:22):
I have nothing to back that up, yeah, because not
like someone has told me behind the scenes that this
was all on Bill.

Speaker 7 (17:27):
No one said that to me. I'm not suggesting it
could be because you know, you factor in like I'm
judging by their actions.

Speaker 9 (17:32):
Gerrod Mayo was there, and maybe he was friends with
these guys. You know, well clearly on the defensive side
of the ball, that's where Gerrod was. He knew that
coaching staff more intimately, he knew the players more intimately.

Speaker 6 (17:44):
He thought that Bill was distracted, and he probably was. Now,
you know, with two years of hindsight and these stories
are all coming out, he Bill probably was distracted in
twenty three. That, you know, just exacerbated a talent issue.
In my view, I don't think he had a great
year of coaching in twenty three. We talked about it
at the time. I'm not speaking out of school, no.

Speaker 4 (18:02):
No, it was.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
Yeah, So anyway, that was just my thought. I don't
know if anyone else has any well.

Speaker 3 (18:08):
On those same last something I was I don't even
know why I was thinking about this, because I just
think about random Patriots things all the time. But you know,
with the coaching staff that Garrod put together. Would it
have been different, because I think it might have been
if he had kept Steve Belichick because they had this
great relationship the two of them, where like they had

(18:29):
they were kind of co defensive coordinators at the end
of Bill and Steve was the play caller and Gerrod
was like more the presenter and like, you know, the
former player that could say this is the attitude and
this is the things we're gonna do, and then you know,
he hands the defense over to Covington instead, who was
also green and also had no experience doing the job.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Well, we were fed that they had this great relationship.
Did they really or was that for show? I don't know.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
I don't know, but I mean I saw them together
all the time. I mean, so that's that's all.

Speaker 10 (19:02):
That's all I walking out togeoping around.

Speaker 4 (19:06):
I don't want to make too much of it, like
all their best friends, but like the vibe I get.

Speaker 6 (19:10):
Staff in general, I think Evan's point is valid. The
staff was not an ideal situation. They probably didn't get
some of the guys they wanted. They probably didn't get
some of the guys to stay that they wish.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
Did so if he had kept the defensive side of
the ball the same with Steve, and Steve was the
defensive coordinator and he was calling the plays, and that
whole side of the ball was was the same as
it was, and I would just say, also, what the
offensive side of the ball.

Speaker 11 (19:34):
You know.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
I think where I was coming from with it was
like their plan was probably for Bill to set him
up a little bit better than he did, right and
and have to be more of a peaceful transition of
power from Bill to Gerrod, so that there wasn't this
entire fallout of the coaching staff and everything like that.
And I think that was such a big part of
last year was that it wasn't just that Gerard was

(19:56):
a first year head coach. It was that everybody around
him was really kind to not fit for their jobs.
And so like if you had had Steve at defensive coordinator,
if you had Bill O'Brien, you know, staying or Josh
coming back as the offensive coordinator, it wouldn't it have
been different? Because now I just feel like everything that
happened last year is completely we throw it out, like

(20:19):
that whole draft class from last year, you know. Besides
obviously Drake Mayle, like, are any of those guys guaranteed
to make the team?

Speaker 2 (20:27):
Well, it's it's if there's one thing that Mayo needed,
it was support, right, and ye had very little well.

Speaker 6 (20:34):
And one of the things that I've sort of listening
to people talk about it, and I think I was
guilty of probably underestimating it, but just the importance of
the right fits on staffs, and you know, and I
told you I think I talked about this late last
week on a Thursday show because I had talked to
Mike for the yearbook feature and just about the.

Speaker 7 (20:55):
Dynamics of putting the staff together and stuff.

Speaker 6 (20:57):
And I do think finding guys that can work together
and put egos aside and sort of all be pulling
in the right direction.

Speaker 7 (21:07):
I think sometimes we underestimate. I mean, I should just
speak for myself.

Speaker 6 (21:10):
I think I underestimated the damage that can happen with
division within a coaching staff. And you saw it with
that year of just utter dysfunction twenty two and twenty three,
with the defensive guys on offense in twenty two, Clem
being part time at best as an offensive line coach
in twenty three, putting everything on Bill O'Brien's plate to

(21:33):
run the entirety of the offense, not just coordinating it,
but position group wise.

Speaker 7 (21:39):
David Andrews was a de facto offensive line coach.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
I'ven really sure Bill O'Brien was Bill's pick anyways, And
it just was a.

Speaker 6 (21:46):
Lot of division, I think within the ranks on those
two staffs, and I think they can really undermine what
you're doing as a head coach.

Speaker 4 (21:54):
Yep, when Barth's cheating on you with David Andrews now
and that his new podcast, you should ask him a lot.

Speaker 7 (21:58):
That's a fair point.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
I just feel like when you look at the setup
that they have now, they just have so much more
experience on the coaching staff and everybody has a title
that they belong in that role, you know, and you
can see that out at practice, like how much more
efficient and how much the pace is much faster, And

(22:20):
it seems like they're much further along from an installation
point of view as well in terms of the scheme
from what they were last year, and like to friend's
point earlier, like they never were in control of it,
Like they were never ahead of it, they were never
in control of it.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
Yeah, they were always playing catch up.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
And now we just see this, it's just a start.

Speaker 4 (22:39):
I mean, I still remember that Mac Jones press conference
from twenty two where I remember that day. I mean,
David Andrews was front center, he came off, he was pissed. Yeah,
that was to me the start of what exactly are
you talking about?

Speaker 5 (22:54):
Twenty twenty two training camp.

Speaker 4 (22:55):
We had gone through some practices and over and over
it seemed like the offense looked pretty clunky, full periods
where it was just wide zone, right, wide zone, right,
wide zone.

Speaker 5 (23:03):
Right, you know, over and over again. And that was
when the media glombed onto the wide zone.

Speaker 7 (23:08):
What did we do?

Speaker 5 (23:09):
That was the big storyline.

Speaker 4 (23:10):
But there was one in particular practice where it was like,
at some point, it's got to get better. Right, having
watched some training camp practices, I give the offense a
little lee way early, and it's it's easier to destroy
than create. The defense is coming ready to go, and
you know it takes a little while to coordinate an offense,
but they just couldn't get it going.

Speaker 5 (23:25):
And that was the first time post Josh McDaniels where
you felt like there.

Speaker 4 (23:29):
Wasn't really a progression like they're not really getting better,
like how are they going to compete this year?

Speaker 5 (23:34):
How are they going to score points?

Speaker 4 (23:36):
And you know, from that year into twenty three and
then into last year, it was really just a battle
on offense. And not to say that, I feel like, wow,
we're watching the seven team out there. Disclaimer, I know people,
hey when we do that, right, but they they look progressing,
They look like they had a plan.

Speaker 5 (23:52):
It looked like they had a philosophy.

Speaker 4 (23:54):
And when we're in this section of the field, here's
something what we want to sprinkle in or you know
those kind of things. So I feel in after OTAs,
But you're always cautious because you know how competitive this
league is and if there are any flaws in your team,
opponents will find a way to exploit them, or injuries
will as well.

Speaker 6 (24:11):
Mike always knows that the defense it's easier to destroy
than create, because you know, he he doesn't remember those
boring twelve and four teams that dominated every training camp practice.

Speaker 5 (24:20):
Off Seriously, though, was it right from the get go?

Speaker 4 (24:23):
Like it was like they were never every year the
complete straight years, right, that's complete continuity, And we got
sort of back.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
We got so used to that we're like, oh, this
is how it's supposed to be.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
Even in nineteen they were eighteen and nineteen when it
started the offense when declining by their status, it was
still I still remember being in Detroit and they were
doing like two minutes towards the end of practice, like
real competitive stuff, enjoying practices, and Brady was just dicing them.

Speaker 4 (24:49):
Like I saw one camp with Brady. Then I saw
Cam Newton camp.

Speaker 7 (24:52):
I Cam, you know, I am Jacobe.

Speaker 5 (24:56):
Last year, the Cam.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
Newton camp had hope at the end though, because they
started running the quarterback and like they started designing the offense.
McDaniel started to get in the lab and really design
it for Cam because they had that Fox quarterback competition
at the beginning that was never a real competition with
Stidham and stuff. And then once they started doing some
of the camera stuff, once they started doing some of

(25:18):
the cam stuff, it was like, okay, like I could
see where they're headed with this. Now obviously he fell
off the rails, but it had hope.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
So, speaking of practice and preparation and the old times
across my timeline today came a compilation of games with
names and obviously it's Edelman, but he was interviewing Ernie,
Bill O'Brien, Patricia, and McDaniel separately, and he broke it
up and goes back and forth between the four of them.

(25:47):
But if you want to dive deep into X and
o's and how they practiced and.

Speaker 7 (25:52):
All that stuff, I've listened to them.

Speaker 4 (25:54):
It was.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
It was really good. It's about forty five minutes. Total
good stuff.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
Though David really like although he sits down with some
of them for like almost two hours and in the
full episodes, and the McDaniels one is great now in hindsight,
because he talks a lot about Drake and how he
would use Drake May and now he's actually coaching Drake May.
So it's a spoiler, Yeah, right, it is. But it
is kind of cool to hear him talk about you know,
he was really big in the podcast at least about

(26:20):
Drake running and he was like, well, are they going
to run him?

Speaker 11 (26:23):
More?

Speaker 3 (26:23):
Like you know, I probably would like type of thing.
And I was like, Okay, the attendants perk up there,
but yeah, they did a lot of All of them
are great, but I would say Patricia was sneaky good.

Speaker 7 (26:36):
Sneaky good.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
Oh yeah, he was.

Speaker 3 (26:38):
He was really good.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Tricia is a smart guy. Yeah, he's a smart guy.
He was put in a bad position, whether he volunteered
or not. He wasn't supposed to be an offensive coordinator.

Speaker 4 (26:49):
I interviewed him for the four Super Bowl Soundofics.

Speaker 7 (26:53):
He's awesome.

Speaker 4 (26:53):
I mean just great, great story, great storyteller, and it's
fun to hear these guys finally come out of the woodwork.
Which as fans that twenty years, you want to know
what's it like behind the scenes, What kind of game
planning and stuff like that are you doing?

Speaker 5 (27:06):
So I eat all that stuff up.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
Were you did you see when they were talking about
rams scene which one this was they were talking, well,
it was in a couple of them. Ernie he talked
about it, and I think he might have talked about
it with Josh too, about how and this goes back
to the Colts game where the Colts were just ripping
everybody up down the scene and so Clark so the Patriots.

(27:29):
The Patriots started playing Cover four against that, and then
Ernie was watching the Manning cast later this is obviously
after they retired, and whoever was on the screen, Peyton said,
I hate I hate Cover four. And Ernie was watching
like that's why we did it.

Speaker 3 (27:50):
I remember that clip. Yeah, that was a good one
from him, and I think that maybe the I mean,
I ate up all of it, and especially the Josh
stuff was just awesome. But the Patricia stuff, him talking
about how he would make his call sheet for a
game on defense, Yeah, was just so cool, Like, you know,
to him talking about it and how much he would
tinker with it, and like he said that he would

(28:10):
go through like ten different drafts. You know, you just
constantly up all night tinkering with it and you know,
different doing different things. But it was really cool to
hear about like the process of how you know, they
identify the package the offense is in the the down
and distance and the situation, and they have the calls
that they would call in that situation, and it's like
this whole puzzle is cool.

Speaker 5 (28:30):
So chaotic.

Speaker 4 (28:31):
That was the biggest thing I took from playing football.
As you watch football growing up, and it seems all
very paced and all right, it's second and three. Now,
let's recoup it.

Speaker 5 (28:39):
And when you're in, when you're in it, it's just.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
On the ground, you get up, you're right. It's like
you barely know the situation, you know. Yeah, And it's
the same thing for they I know, well.

Speaker 5 (28:51):
I guess you just didn't play hard enough. But you
know with Matt like you just see with the coaches
like they need to streamline that process.

Speaker 4 (28:57):
So the chaotic nature of it and the speed and
the rhythm of the play calling and it's just it.

Speaker 5 (29:03):
I imagine they get out of those games and they're like,
what just happened?

Speaker 6 (29:05):
Well, And that's part of like when you watch how
they build the offense in the summers, and you don't
always know exactly what they're doing, but you see the
groups of plays that they do, it's like, okay, we're
gonna you know, you can tell what they're working on there.
You know, their second in set, you know, second in
whatever five to seven yards, and they have a handful

(29:26):
of those plays. We're working on second in three here,
because that's a whole different parameter, you know. And then
they're you know, it's not just we're working on first down,
second and third down, it's the down and distance ye
comes into it. And you can see when they're working
on you know sets, you know, they might have eight
or ten plays they're working on that are just like
second down plays varying distances.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
And Paul, you would have loved the segment with Ernie
talking about analytics and Ernie was saying, like, listen, I
use analytics, but it has to make sense because you know,
like in the NBA they have the three point analytics.
That's fine if you have guys who can you know,
shoot three points, But you can't force that if you
guys can't hit three points, because the analytics are only

(30:11):
good if they make sense.

Speaker 3 (30:14):
Right, you know, he was, I would say, probably a
pioneer of football analytics. Now, I don't know if I
guess he would, would he say it was analytics, I
don't know, but he placing even things like placing value
in terms of like grading scales with prospects and stuff
like that. You know, they they were all, you know,

(30:35):
the Bills and Ernie like they're all in the parcels
I mean in Belichick, like they're all at the beginning
of that. Like there truly were trailblazers of all that
kind of stuff. And now all these teams are doing
things and like a lot of teams still use the
parcels scale to grade prospects. It's still the same exact
scale that Bill Parcells had basically came up with in

(30:57):
the eighties.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (30:57):
So it was one thing I told Paul after reading
the Parcels biography was that a lot of the schematic
coaching things and decisions that I think Bill gets a
lot of credit for that, Parcels was kind of the
trail blazer of, hey, let's change it completely up this week.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
We have to if we want to win this game.

Speaker 8 (31:13):
Yea.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
I think I think Bill's secret was his versatility. Bill
Belichick was his versatility. He took all these things that
he learned or heard of back with, you know, from
Paul Brown and everything, and mashed it up and became
this like versatile you know coach or this coach that
based things on game plan and versatility because he had,

(31:35):
you know, he was able to draw from all of this,
you know, and then of course he made his own
variations on it. But he had this vast encyclopedia in
his head that he could draw. Like I always said,
he could be in oc without a play sheet. He
wouldn't even need a play sheet. I'll bet if he
were to be in OC.

Speaker 5 (31:52):
In talking to some of the agent highly question, I
don't not at his height.

Speaker 7 (31:58):
Only only if he won the game seven three, which
was his goal.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
I think, if anything, he was versatile and adaptable.

Speaker 4 (32:06):
Like one of the most interesting things to me schematically
about the Patriots is just that both of their schemes
that Bill used go back to the seventies.

Speaker 5 (32:12):
And you know, when I was watching the eighty five team.

Speaker 4 (32:14):
You look at this three four defense and it's clearly
the Fairbanks Bowl of three to four defense. And talking
to some of the players and they said, Bill Belichick
was around when we were running that, and he's you know,
he's all, what's that guy doing here? You know, he's
here learning That's what That's what Bill did. But interesting,
I mean, Parcels was here in eighty Like, there's so
many roots from that team that go back into the seventies.

(32:35):
I think a lot of people don't even really truly really.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
Absolutely was listening to uh Cooper cup was on the
podcast recently talking about the McVeigh offense and you know
what makes it so great? And he was talking about
the Super Bowl in twenty eighteen and about how the
Patriots defended them basically kind of pioneered a defense and
it was kind of started with Fangio and actually Matt

(32:58):
Patricia like during the regular season, but the Page Church
just did it at an even better level on the
biggest stage. And then that forced McVeigh to then change
his offense because they figured out the offense that he
was running before, so then he had to add things
to change the offense. But that was always like you
know friend's point about Bill being so versatile. You know,
they're them playing man to man against Kansas City for

(33:21):
four straight quarters in the ANFC Championship Game and then
completely reinventing themselves in two weeks in the Super Bowl
to play zone against the Rams and play a totally
different branded defense won them the Super Bowl. You know,
their ability to do that was was second to none.
And you know they they run the six to one
and you know the quarter stuff and yeah, I mean.

Speaker 7 (33:42):
Great job shot, you know change. I mean it's just unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
But like literally.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
McVeigh like went into like a dark place because he
was like, oh my, like Bill just figured me out
on and like pants me in the Super Bowl. And
then they start running you know, more duo and more
gap skiing because like they're running, you know, the six
guys across the line of scrimmage, so they're trying to
get vertical instead of going side to side, and like
they just had to completely reinvent themselves because Bill basically

(34:09):
gave the blueprint of like this is how you defend this.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
Boy.

Speaker 4 (34:12):
I just went back to Matt Patricia and I can
imagine that play call sheet is so finely tuned, and
you don't want to have to think about like to
your point, Paulward and second and long like this is
these are the plays and you can't you don't have
time to think about it. You imagine McVay gets to
a point where he's looking at that play card going,
uh oh, this stuff I have here does not work,
you know, and what do you do at that point?

Speaker 5 (34:33):
You can see some of the challenge that it presents.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
Mark and Chatta says Fred. When you mentioned Patricia earlier
on the Edelman podcast, you mentioned he was really smart. However,
you forgot to say that we need to thank him. Please,
can you do the obligatory Patriots Nation, thank you Matt Patricia.
This night is true, that's true. Thank you. Matt Patricia
disrespected him.

Speaker 4 (34:53):
You know, just thinking about it a little bit, like
do you put it a little bit on Sean McVeigh
for not being ready for that. I mean team that
has been in the Super Bowl the famously in thirty nine,
they come out in a four three this.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
Especially know your opponent, you know, Bill Belichick is gonna you.

Speaker 6 (35:06):
Know, taking Bill into consideration, which the points that you
guys made is one thousand percent right because Bill is
known for his versatility and.

Speaker 7 (35:16):
Especially in a Super Bowl.

Speaker 6 (35:17):
You know, but what kind of offense doesn't have a
like I play I can only it only works if
I know what they're going to be running.

Speaker 7 (35:25):
Well, yes, a lot of that goes on McVeigh.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
A lot of it though is you know, they they
turned the game into a drop back pass game, and
Jared Goff just wasn't ready for the for the bright light.

Speaker 7 (35:34):
It's like, you know at the time, you.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
Know, I think Jared Goff now probably would handle it
better now that he's more experienced. But same with McVeigh.
Like McVeagh was a really young coach in that Super
Bowl and he went up against Yoda and he just
got dominated.

Speaker 6 (35:48):
And all that I would say is again a thousand
percent accurate in Belichick absolutely pants him.

Speaker 7 (35:53):
Okay, can I go to my my dark negative side.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
Sure, of course, that's why you hit.

Speaker 6 (35:59):
Which people you know in front of I mean, you know,
there's a big, big pieces of that offense that didn't play.

Speaker 7 (36:06):
That's true, like Todd Gurley.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
Todd Gurley didn't play, Cooper Cup didn't play.

Speaker 6 (36:10):
There was a big part of what McVeigh had in
his holster that he had.

Speaker 7 (36:13):
To play without. With Bobby Freeze out, Belichick would have
been able to deal with that.

Speaker 6 (36:17):
You know, So I'll talk out of both sides of
my mouth. I'm gonna I'm gonna give mcveay a little
bit of slack, sure, but Belichick would have handled it.
Belichick was without key pieces and a lot of different
big games over the years and was able to adapt
and figure out ways McVeigh didn't. And I do think
that's largely on McVeigh because you should have known that
Belichick wasn't just going to do one thing right right.

Speaker 4 (36:38):
If I was a coach or a scout in that system,
like you would think someone would have just said, hey,
is there a chance that they come out and do
something totally different, because that's we have a.

Speaker 5 (36:48):
Huge sample size.

Speaker 4 (36:49):
These guys at that point would have gone to like
eight super Bowls, Like, there's a good chance they're going
to come out with a total curveball that we have
to be ready.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
To handle on.

Speaker 4 (36:57):
And maybe they were to some extent because I think
that ran offense it's predicated on staying on time and
you know, executing wide zone and then we play the
play action.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
I mean, there's a whole.

Speaker 5 (37:07):
Progression to what that offense wants to do. So I
just would think they'd be a.

Speaker 6 (37:11):
Little bits Evans Point Golf wasn't ready.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
Yeah, I mean they changed their offense a lot. You know,
they Stafford is obviously a different kind of quarterback, but
they are much more gap, you know, vertical run game. Now,
they play a lot more empty out of the shotgun,
and they don't use as much wide zone play action.
They still have that, but they don't use it as much.
But you know, because I have to defend my guy,
I or one of my guys. I think I don't

(37:37):
know how you could have predicted that they were going
to play a six to one, Like, I just don't
like that. That's not a regular front that you see
very often. It was a really unique thing. The Patriots
at the time are really uniquely equipped to play it.
Because of high tower, like in his versatility allowed them
to do it. So as much as I like the
zone stuff, maybe like they probably could have had an

(37:59):
idea that that was. But to come out in a
six to one tilt in the Super Bowl and you've
never done it before is like that's kind of like
all right, you know, but it would have been on
my mind though I halftime maybe like you know, call
power once.

Speaker 5 (38:12):
You know, like but yeah, I don't know if you
would have landed on that.

Speaker 4 (38:14):
But if I was going against that coach, even knowing
what I know is just a guy following the team,
it's like, be ready because there could be a crazy
curveball coming at you, you know, right to start this game.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
I can just see Evan he's watching the Super Bowl
and he's got his jersey mics and he's like half
fights like they're running a six to one.

Speaker 8 (38:33):
It was.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
It was quite possibly one of the best Super Bowl
game plans of all time. And that is not hyperbally.

Speaker 4 (38:38):
How did you feel that when you when you were
watching that happen live, Like, did you think that you did?

Speaker 10 (38:42):
You just block of, Yeah, the impact was going to
be a little bit and I think the bigger thing
that I that I clocked in the moment was the quarters,
Like they were playing quarters, they're playing cover four and
they were buzzing, so they were rotating the guy into
cover three and they were kind of playing with Goff.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
And McVeigh would communicate with Golf in the headset until
they shut the headset off, and he would actually like
play quarterback for Golf and you would say, they're in this,
they're in that, and then the Patriots.

Speaker 7 (39:11):
Would change the picture on him. You figured out, yeah,
the next time and now you change it.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
Now you figure it out. And just watching you know,
mccordy especially and Chung just like play the mind games
with Jared. Goff's head was in a pretzel, like you
know what, no idea it was, you know, would have.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
Been fascinating is both at their heights of their powers.
To have Belichick coach against Brady, Like how would he
try to confuse Brady, you know, other than like rush
up the middle and that was kind of that was
kind of just kryptonite. But I'm just talking about scheme one,
you know, twenty one.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
Yeah, I mean I have to go back, and you know,
I obviously wrote about the game, but I don't remember
exactly what they did. If I want, I want to
say they played a lot of I want to say that,
well it was raining. I want to say they played
a lot of double Robber, which is, you know something
they did lot more later on in Bill's career. So
drop eight double Robbert, So like two robbers sitting at

(40:05):
the sticks. Because Brady, they knew what was gonna love
throwing in cuts, you know, crossers, slants like things like that.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
That was Brady after one year with a new team
and a new offensive corner. I'm talking about Brady having
had the same offense in the same offense for a
long time in Belichick at the height of it, Like,
how would that battle, you know, turn out? I think
that would have been cool. Eight five five past five
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(40:32):
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Speaker 4 (40:40):
Hey?

Speaker 7 (40:42):
What's up?

Speaker 12 (40:43):
Brand?

Speaker 2 (40:43):
What good?

Speaker 13 (40:47):
Hey?

Speaker 12 (40:48):
Soh Yeah, I had to call it in today. You
got got I love the.

Speaker 11 (40:52):
The off season topics, and so I got a couple
of them that you guys talked a little bit about
people saying uh of course instead of you're welcome, and
a couple more things. So I got two of them
and then I'll get off the I'll get off the phone.
But uh, the first one is this one bothered me
for a few years, is people that's saying sorry instead

(41:12):
of excuse me. Like it's one of those things like
I just it doesn't bother me as much these days,
but I always hear It's like you're you.

Speaker 12 (41:19):
Go across paths with somebody in the hallway and you know,
you stop, you smile, and they've walked past you, and
they just say sorry, and it's like, why why do
you apologizing to me? I don't want to apology, just okay.

Speaker 14 (41:30):
Say excuse me.

Speaker 12 (41:30):
And it makes me almost like feel bad, like like
like how dare you walk past me? So that's one
and the other one is, uh, this one.

Speaker 8 (41:38):
I actually just dealt with yesterday.

Speaker 12 (41:40):
It's crosswalks.

Speaker 8 (41:40):
It's crosswalks in general.

Speaker 12 (41:42):
But when you get when you get to a crosswalk
and you stop, you see the pedestrians, so you stop
and to let them go. Now normally they just go,
but every once in a while, you get the one
who he's gonna wave you on. For some reason, he's
not ready to cross yet, maybe you're maybe there's no
car behind you, so he's like, I'll just let you
clear and then.

Speaker 8 (41:58):
I'll walk whatever.

Speaker 12 (41:59):
That's fine. I normally I prefer you just go, but okay,
you're waving me, I'll just go. What I hate is
when you stop for the guy to let him go.
He waves me on and lets me go. So I
decided to go. And as I'm passing, you're gonna step
off the curb and into the street like you're gonna
be mister cool. You're gonna cross behind my truck. And

(42:19):
by the way, I drive a commercial truck for for
a living, so it's all about safety for me. You're
gonna frost behind my truck, like within inches. We may
think you could reach out and tap the back of
my truck, but I don't want my moving vehicle within
inches of you. That's why I told you to go.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
If you were gonna not wait, you could have just
went fair enough, get off the box.

Speaker 12 (42:40):
Any cross walks when everybody stopped at the cross walk
on one side of the street and the guy on
the other side of the street keeps blowing through it
so nobody can go.

Speaker 7 (42:48):
Because people walk.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
Yeah, all right, good one.

Speaker 6 (42:53):
That's a good love the amount of thought that went
into that. Anthey, that's a good one.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
You can tell he drives a truck for a living
now because he's kind of traffic I.

Speaker 6 (43:01):
Also love the way he's recounting the story. It really
it really bothers me and they, you know, and I
drive it.

Speaker 7 (43:06):
You know, I drive a commercial truck. Bly like he
gets all like normal, just to explain I drive a
commercial truck.

Speaker 6 (43:11):
B And then he goes, hey, man, you're gonna get
that close to my truck, like get clearly really bothers him.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
I don't blame him. I love that. Oh of course,
Well I saw somebody today.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
Of course.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
I'm going up four ninety five and uh this, you know,
uh go four ninety five north and I'm getting up
to where the ninety five exits are, so you know,
people are starting to merge. Right, this guy's all the
way in the left. He merges right in front of
a huge truck, like I mean, like a foot in
front of him. I'm like, you, imbecile, Like you think

(43:43):
these trucks could stop on a dime like a normal
car can like wait, wait until he's by you and
merge in front of it, like a normal car that
has a chance of stopping. Like so this, you know,
the truck driver obviously hit his horn.

Speaker 5 (43:57):
Just just ridiculous when I see that kind of driving.

Speaker 4 (43:59):
Always wondering those the people that are dying in car
crashes every day, like the people that cause it, or
just even like ninety five.

Speaker 5 (44:05):
From Providence to Boston is a dragstrip.

Speaker 4 (44:07):
I mean there are people Rhode Island plates no offense,
matt flying off like you know, weaving through and Rhode
Island people are.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
The worst drivers, they really are, and it's because the
state's so small. They don't get enough.

Speaker 7 (44:19):
You're literally called you just.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
Walked on my joke. Get out of here. He stepped
on my joke. Anyway, all right, Nathan, should I set
you up so you can do it again? That's all right,
Nathan's gone, Nathan, Connecticut. What's up Nate?

Speaker 15 (44:38):
Guys? So I just have a couple of quick things,
Well maybe I should say quick.

Speaker 7 (44:43):
I hope it's going to be quick.

Speaker 15 (44:45):
My first thing is this is a reoccurring topic, but
the walkout song in my opinion, and the Crazy Train
is perfect there, there doesn't need to be anything else,
perfect delated.

Speaker 11 (45:00):
I was at the Next News.

Speaker 15 (45:02):
Game where Drake Nate as first ever actual start. That
stuff like fired me up just to see some good football,
and I did. I did see good football.

Speaker 7 (45:13):
Sorry, sorry we disappointed you.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
Yeah, so how old are you, Nate, Nate, how old
are you? You're fourteen?

Speaker 7 (45:22):
Just harm like middle school.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
Like, it's surprising to me that at fourteen you're you're
cool with sticking with what they're doing. So that's interesting.

Speaker 15 (45:33):
Yeah, I like very like, I like verys like classic
rock music.

Speaker 7 (45:37):
But I think crazy trains a good walkout.

Speaker 15 (45:39):
So yeah, it's a great walkout.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
So it was. I think I think it's time for change,
though I do.

Speaker 7 (45:47):
I mean, I think you should be exploring all our.

Speaker 8 (45:50):
I'm going to disagree because okay, well, I like it
the way it is.

Speaker 15 (45:57):
It gives me for the kind of buzz and I
like away. I like the way from it goes from
over you.

Speaker 8 (46:03):
It's a crazy training.

Speaker 15 (46:04):
It's a good transition.

Speaker 3 (46:05):
I like, Nate.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
Yeah, that's goods an old soul, so so you're a
traditional and because that was so good, you have you
wanted to say one other thing?

Speaker 7 (46:14):
Or is that it's a tough phone. So should I
got a flip phone.

Speaker 15 (46:21):
Or joint practice this year because I went to a
joint practice of the people all last year.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
Sorry again, Yeah, a lot of bad. The joint practice
is during training camp, so you can best of both worlds.
Go go to the joint practice. Your phone stinks, Thanks, Nate,
You're great. Yeah, Nate's an old soul. He's got a
flip phone.

Speaker 7 (46:41):
As Paul said, Yeah, the phone was that was tough phone.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
Yeah, Patty's in Agam. What's up Patty?

Speaker 13 (46:49):
Hey, good afternoon.

Speaker 4 (46:50):
Everyone, Hey, better phone, Good afternoon.

Speaker 13 (46:53):
So a little caller on Color Prime and all end
with a question. I gotta I'm not doing this because
he's the league target, but I got a call out
Christian at La. He had said before a couple of
times that he's been a fan since nineteen seventy eight, right,
And he also said last week that his thirtieth high
school reunion was coming up and he was skipping out

(47:15):
on it. Now me, I graduated. My thirtieth reunion was
last year, and I became a fan of nineteen eighty
five at the age of nine years old, So unless
like unless he graduated like at twenty seven or twenty eight,
which is possible. I'm just saying the mass doesn't add up. Christian,
I'm pom focused on it, okay. And my question is,

(47:39):
do you guys think I have this thought that possibly
I thought before like the OTAs and training camp started
or the mini camp started, that Cole's strange might be
on the outside looking in because of his injury history
and inconsistency. But I really think that he possibly has
the inside track and the left guard spot, and I

(48:00):
think he is going to get a roster spots just
because he does have the versatility to play center. And
I know you guys were talking about, you know, him
playing both guard spots at the Okas, and I just
wanted to get on that.

Speaker 8 (48:12):
I'll take it off there.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
Yeah, I agree. I think he does have an inside
track at left guy.

Speaker 3 (48:16):
It might be by default, but there's really not right now.
It's his job to lose. That's how I inside track
has dropped to lose. Kind of the same thing.

Speaker 4 (48:26):
But yeah, yep, okay, I might have flipped Layton Robinson
and him going in.

Speaker 6 (48:31):
I've just seen a lot of guys I haven't seen it,
just well Tyresse Robinson's yeah right, he got a so.

Speaker 7 (48:38):
And I don't know what they think.

Speaker 6 (48:40):
I think this is probably just thrown a lot of
bodies out there and seen as many combinations as they can,
which I think makes some sense, but it's not I
don't know if I would be able to identify a
guy who I thought had the inside track based on
what I saw in the spring.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
Yeah, you know, Mini camp. It was definitely a lot
of cold, strange, but Wes Schweitzer was had his situation,
tyros Robinson had his situation, So would that have been
different And if one of those guys was participating maybe,
But I'd say saying he has the inside track is
probably a fair way to put it. But again, it's
not a the worst position to have a problem at.

(49:13):
Out of all the positions. It's better, you know, left
guard is at least somewhat tolerable. But so one spot
where I'm like, I'm not one hundred percent sure they
have a true NFL starter at that spot.

Speaker 6 (49:23):
I would say that if they think he's going to
be the starter, then there's value there. Obviously, I'm not
sure how much his ability to play a little center,
which by the way, did not go well this spring.
The snaps were an issue when he was snapping the
ball in the spring. That was early in OTAs. But
now they you know, they drafted a center. I think

(49:45):
they have other options at center. If I would, I
would doubt that the deciding factor is going to that's
going to play in his favor. And now if they
get to an active situation in a game, and maybe
you know, Jared Wilson isn't active for a game and
Cole Strange is playing left guard and Derek Bradbury goes down,
maybe you have City Sow or Tyree's somebody to play guard,

(50:09):
but you don't have anybody to play center. Maybe Strange
moves over on a pinch, but I'm not necessarily sure
that's worth The rosters.

Speaker 4 (50:15):
Think Jared Wilson is a big X factor. He's been
rehabbing and getting back into shape. But he could be
in the mix there as well. And I think he
could be in the mix of center too.

Speaker 3 (50:23):
I'm waiting for that. And you know, they'd also gave
some opportunities to Kayden Wallace to play guard in the spring,
and that was something that a lot of people thought
maybe going into the draft that he was eventually going
to be a long term guard in the NFL. So
maybe between those two guys, like I think there might
be a little bit more upside. You kind of know
what you have with Cole Strange, but maybe one of

(50:45):
those younger players has got a little bit more.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
Mike, and Braintree has a problem with the last caller.
What's up, Mike, Hey, guys, big fan of the show.

Speaker 16 (50:55):
I love your take on everything, but I got a
real problem with that guy that was saying that he
lets people go in traffic like pedestrians. Okay, he doesn't
understand is that I'm a pedestrian.

Speaker 8 (51:06):
I'm on the point.

Speaker 16 (51:07):
I'm letting you go because God forbids a gatorade bottom
or something rolls underneath your brake pedal. I'm doomed if
I go in front of you. I'm I think that
should be my call to make. I think it's okay
to let you go. I'm not powery anyway.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
No, he was cool with that. He just he was
okay with you letting him go. He just doesn't like it.
After you let him go, then you immediately walk into
traffic right behind him. He doesn't like that.

Speaker 7 (51:35):
Yeah, I'm not sure why.

Speaker 16 (51:36):
Timing after time the issue with the traffic. Maybe I
see it coming. I know how I can get through
this safely without causing anyone to even hitch their brake pedal.
I just think that should be the pedestrians call it
got me a little round up calling you guys.

Speaker 17 (51:50):
All right, I like it, Mike, allbuttal as well, Okay,
and I will say that that situation, there's the pedestrian
cars and they're letting you go, but like I don't
want to rush across the street.

Speaker 7 (52:03):
Just go, just go want I want to, you know,
walk in my face. I'm you know, I'm with him.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
I'm a little late, I've done that.

Speaker 7 (52:09):
Sure, you just go ahead.

Speaker 5 (52:11):
It is funny though, the communication.

Speaker 4 (52:12):
It's the same thing as like when you pass someone
in the hallway or someone's holding the door, that like
moment of like I'm good, I'm good, I'm good, Like
you know, you don't want them to get mad at you,
but you're trying to like communicate, and.

Speaker 6 (52:21):
I don't, like, I don't want to rush across because
now I'm taking up your time. So I feel, you know,
pressure you perceived or not to get what if.

Speaker 3 (52:30):
We have mixed signals and you think you're going and
I think I'm going and then not.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
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Speaker 19 (55:04):
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Speaker 2 (55:15):
We'll read it here. Chris.

Speaker 19 (55:16):
Let's get into it all right. Tom Brady statue opening traditions.
I love the idea of the Tom Brady statue, but
aside from the ringing of the lighthouse, we need to
have more home game opening traditions. Maybe the players touching
a gold statue of Pat the Patriot or Billy Sullivan.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
And walking out of the tunnel. Matthew from Arizona.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
I kind of like the the lighthouse. It's its own,
like niche thing.

Speaker 20 (55:36):
I mean, Julett is known for the lighthouse, and I
think the bell kind of gives it a good vibe,
a good atmosphere.

Speaker 19 (55:42):
Yeah, I thought it was coulda be a bigger bell.
Maybe I would have liked like the horn, you know,
maybe the crank horn.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
You don't need a horn, right though, what I was
like a fog horn.

Speaker 19 (55:50):
What I do wish they did is I wish they
did a new England style lighthouse, red and white like
made it look like an actual lighthouse.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
And also the renderings they may it looked a little bigger.
I mean it is big.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
Although you hate heights when you go up, they keep
sending me up there. I mean it's still big.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
But I like the bell. It's just listen. Winning solves everything.
I mean, we've I.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
Think there's definitely more energy with a win, and I
think that would also entail. Like the bell.

Speaker 19 (56:18):
We need to we need to get some of the
big dogs back. We had Tom, we had von Jovi
ringing the bell, but we need Where's big Poppy, Jason Tatum,
let's get everybody all right. Thanks Matthew from Arizona walking music.
Just another suggestion, JT. Money high low would be good.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
You weren't here. I was with Alex. I said, let's
get some Lincoln Park in the mix.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
A little new divide.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
Yeah, numb slash encore.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
Till the end or in the end, in the end,
in the end. That's on me.

Speaker 19 (56:46):
Sorryret here, Yeah, yeah, all right, I'm like in trouble
for this one. Papa bona dude made to make a
guest feel at ease comfortable. They tell people, hey, come on,
come on in and sit down. Papa, I'm not gonna
say it again, so relax it away and make yourself
a home.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
No pressure.

Speaker 19 (57:02):
So I assume that's something in relation to the show
that was from Dinner Plates. You know, I guess Fredie
he kind of rushes out some of the guests and stuff.
So he comes sit down, spot one, sit your touchdown, relaxing.

Speaker 7 (57:18):
All right?

Speaker 1 (57:19):
What else we got?

Speaker 2 (57:20):
Who's a long one? High school dating? And Tom Brady?

Speaker 19 (57:23):
Good APU crew, Your reflections on your high school years
were very illuminating. Fred apparently dated then dumped dancing a
lane from Seinfeld. Duce could have dated Willy Wonka's daughter
but didn't. Matt mentioned he got dragged from school by
his mom or dragged from school by his mom, but
didn't say what the incident was. Given Matt's chosen career
and the Marines, did it involve certain skills for that

(57:44):
future service man.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
I'll let you answer that one.

Speaker 19 (57:47):
Regarding the call about Brady not being Brady until three
or four years into his career, I always thought Brady's
big leap in new offensive juggernaut more to do a
change in philosophy rather than Brady's individual development.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
Brady led the league in tds in.

Speaker 19 (57:58):
His second season, so it's not like lacked the talent
to be an offensive leader. My impression was at Belichick
wanted more of a conservative, conservative, low risk offense, strap
the opponent down with defense, don't turn the ball over.
When Poleon had changes made in that lead in the
league that favored the offense in general, and the Patriots
just missed making Super Bowl forty one with an offense
that featured Vershee caledwell. The philosophy switch and the offense

(58:20):
opened up with the additions prior to two thousand and seven.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
What say you, cheers Dan in Virginia in Michigan.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
Yeah, I mean, well, you can talk about your high
school dating life.

Speaker 16 (58:29):
I was it.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
It was decent.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
Yeah was there right?

Speaker 2 (58:30):
Yeah? I dabble boarding school, you know. Now, Yeah, sneak
into the dorms and.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
You get to Brady.

Speaker 20 (58:37):
Yeah, the stuff, Yeah, the more importance of his Brady,
I would definitely say he I think Belichick wanted to
morph him into something that you can become a game general,
and I think you had to kind of start small
with him to then get bigger. And I think that's
how it works with a lot of a lot of
these quarterbacks in the league nowadays, especially, And I'm curious

(58:58):
kind of how.

Speaker 1 (58:59):
McDaniels will do that with Drake.

Speaker 3 (59:01):
Drake.

Speaker 20 (59:02):
Yeah, he's gonna incorporate it with Drake because obviously every
quarterback is different. Every quarterback has different skill sets. And
I mean we know Brady is a pocket presence and
kind of having a lot of composure when he's under pressure.
So you know, I'm curious what Drake he's gonna end
up doing this year. I think I do think I
agree with that Brady take a lot.

Speaker 19 (59:21):
I mean the first year, I mean, the defense was
so good, so wow, would you not. I mean we
always show the highlight of Brady's first start, It was
all the defense.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
He just yes, that's not turned the ball over. Yeah,
tell you what you do.

Speaker 19 (59:32):
But I mean, for me, because I was, like, you know,
growing up during that time, it was really like three
oh four where you're like he's him.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
Yeah, then you got the whole second half of his career.

Speaker 1 (59:41):
He also just had the swagger at that point too.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
YouTube super Bowls under your belt and you're like, I'm
already I mean.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
Growing up going into Sundays. I was like, oh, that's
a win. Yeah, that's a win.

Speaker 4 (59:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
But Chris, there's a good little show right here. Yeah, shuys.

Speaker 19 (59:53):
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Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
And now great moments in.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
History. I was told that I said carry on wrong.
I said carry on. It's carry on, one word, like
like like the bag. It's a carry on, carry on, cape,
calm and carry on. It's the answer to the read
before we get in trouble. Okay, only liquids allowed, blood,
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Speaker 7 (01:00:33):
Okay, you know these things intrigued me.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:00:36):
So a carry on that you would carry on to
an airplane is pronounced differently than carry on.

Speaker 7 (01:00:41):
Yeah, carry on, So by carry Paul, I don't see
carry on, I carry on my going to bring your
carry on.

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
I feel like I carry on.

Speaker 7 (01:00:50):
I feel like I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
You just said was wrong. But Paul, you just said
that's not You didn't use it as a now use
it as a verb. You said, I carry on my bag.
That's not what it is.

Speaker 7 (01:01:02):
It's a carry on, my bag. It's my carry on.
It's not my carry on. It's it's my carry on,
my carry on bag, my carry on bag.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
Yeah. But but when you say, but when you say
carry on, I'm not changing carry on, carry on, carry on,
carry on the conversation.

Speaker 7 (01:01:17):
It's my carry on back. It's I'm saying it the
exact putting.

Speaker 12 (01:01:22):
The carrier, the on, carry on.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
It's different. Larry listen, carry listen, carry on. Carry You
put the emphasis on on when it's a verb on,
okay on.

Speaker 7 (01:01:33):
I don't, but you do.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
You just don't.

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
You want to admit it, but you do.

Speaker 7 (01:01:37):
I'm you're just being stubborn the whole thing. Get that
hood I mean you've got that hood shirt.

Speaker 6 (01:01:41):
And that's why it's getting being stubborn, That's why it's
getting under your skin.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
That's another great moment. From all right back here and
Patriots Unfiltered an one?

Speaker 7 (01:01:52):
You won?

Speaker 13 (01:01:53):
That's it?

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
Well, it's a good one.

Speaker 7 (01:01:54):
You were right? What was I there's a there's a
slight difference.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
How do you emphasize carry on and carry on the
biggest thing? Yeah, the biggest one.

Speaker 6 (01:02:05):
Sometimes when I hear them back, I'm like, that was
a ridiculous semantics argument in friend was right?

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
Eight five past five hundred is the is the hotline
podcast at patriots dot com? Is the email address you
want to subscribe to the newsletter? Do it by going
to Patriots dot com slash pu newsletter Connor and gainstt
slash Barnstables certainly did. He said he's on the cave
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(01:02:30):
happened to be in Sandwich. Ended up going to Treehouse Brewing,
which was amazing. Then followed that up by taking Fred's
recommendation from the newsletter and went to Seafood Sam's and
got the fried chicken. Everyone else got seafood and gave
me a hard time. I told him I'm following Fred
Kersh's orders. We then proceeded onto the Shipwreck for ice cream.

Speaker 7 (01:02:49):
Did you then get a speed Queen Washington.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
PS. Paul, you are the man. So my question is, well, Connor,
you didn't give me.

Speaker 6 (01:02:55):
The review on the on the show, what would I
figure you had a term for what the chick and
would do for you?

Speaker 7 (01:03:01):
It was decaded, decadent.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
It was decaded.

Speaker 5 (01:03:04):
Yeah, like after you eat it's like super fried. Did
I just eat that sandwich?

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
I mean it's real fried chicken.

Speaker 7 (01:03:10):
I don't know a srandwich.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
No, it's off the bone. It's legit a sandwich thing
for you young kids, fried chicken, eat it with your hands.

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
You're not at the bone. Sandwiches, what do you do?

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
How do you eat sandwiching? Now with a chicken sandwich?

Speaker 7 (01:03:27):
What's wrong with a sandwich?

Speaker 6 (01:03:28):
I agreed, chicken sandwiches have gotten out of control, But
what is wrong with the sandwich in general?

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
Nothing's wrong with.

Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
Well apparently only as kids eat the snow.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
But when I say, when I say it's fried chicken,
that's not a sandwich. It's chicken off the bone.

Speaker 3 (01:03:42):
But you said you eat it with your hands. But
how do you eat a sandwich?

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
Eat it with your hands? So it's not it could
be a fried chicken sandwich. I admit, but when something
when I'm talking about fried chicken, I'm talking about real
fried chicken.

Speaker 7 (01:03:55):
Fair enough my position kind of.

Speaker 6 (01:03:59):
They can you got that right, but there are I
think that the the advent of the fast food chicken
sandwich place like this, seventy five different versions.

Speaker 5 (01:04:10):
Now now, yeah, like everybody had to happen, you know,
Chick fil A, we.

Speaker 7 (01:04:13):
Just need to chick can't.

Speaker 3 (01:04:15):
Like you know, I think this all started because we
all decided at some point that red meat was the devil. So, like,
I don't know who you people are eating a lot
of red meat.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
Is not eat anything that bleeds the blood at one time.

Speaker 3 (01:04:29):
That's not It's not the best for you. So everybody
started pivoting from burgers to chicken fried chicken because it's healthier.
And then now we have everybody has chicken.

Speaker 7 (01:04:40):
Fried chicken because it's healthier. I didn't say that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
I just said that was well, the people that get
fried chicken and they peel off the skin, It's like,
oh boy, what do you think just get the best
part is the skin.

Speaker 4 (01:04:51):
I got to get back to Blondiees. We went there
that the new Barba you did?

Speaker 3 (01:04:54):
Yeah that, Sorry, I thought I told you.

Speaker 5 (01:04:57):
I thought I thought I mentioned it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
No, you real.

Speaker 3 (01:05:00):
We kind of under ordered though.

Speaker 4 (01:05:01):
The kids, the kids that never have barbecue before. And
I have a kids who are fifteen.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
And so this is a new place down the streets,
right down the street on one.

Speaker 3 (01:05:07):
What kind of culture, dad, are you?

Speaker 8 (01:05:09):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:05:09):
I know, well, I mean not a great one because
they don't eat anything other than like that's but we
got had a brisket toast because kids inhaled the brisket
and they were like, we're going to go back up
and or they have ribs.

Speaker 7 (01:05:21):
They got ribs.

Speaker 4 (01:05:22):
But we just we started light, you know, we were like,
let's just get you know, a couple of orders of brisket,
see how it goes.

Speaker 7 (01:05:26):
And it was mad at them for not getting ribs.

Speaker 5 (01:05:28):
Yep, yeah that's now and now I gotta get back.

Speaker 3 (01:05:32):
I'm a brisket guy.

Speaker 5 (01:05:33):
Thought they'd be intimidating bones.

Speaker 3 (01:05:35):
Well, there's a difference between barbecue brisket and then Jewish brisket.
Two different things, really, yeah, but both good.

Speaker 4 (01:05:41):
Yeah, it's hard to mess up with brisket. Yeah, well, corny,
so the place is good, two thumbs up. We might
have to So this is the old red wing the
old Red Wing might have to order the counter.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
And are they like smoking the ribs behind it right
out there?

Speaker 5 (01:05:56):
It Every morning when I.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
Drive, I gotta try to go over there for a
long one.

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
Yeah, yeah, we could do that.

Speaker 7 (01:06:02):
We might have to work on Wednesday.

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
Yeah, sometimes when you have a light afternoon because the
last thing you want to barbecue, and then you're in
your meeting, it's like, well, let's go over the fourth
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Speaker 7 (01:06:52):
You're doing a good job of actually doing the reads today.
Sometimes you forget.

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
Well, I think Brunt really motivated me. You know, we
need to take care of responsors.

Speaker 7 (01:07:00):
Absolutely, we need to do it all the time.

Speaker 4 (01:07:02):
Gives us a couch, will be a little bit more
inclined to Sure.

Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
I can get your haircut at g a barber shop.
There you go streets and there you go, get your
pitch your haircut. Look at this haircuts A great cut,
isn't it. You want to cut like barbershop?

Speaker 6 (01:07:18):
Will he take care of even the fallically challenged, Yeah,
he actually usually.

Speaker 7 (01:07:23):
He usually he does.

Speaker 3 (01:07:26):
If there's like me and this other guy that's waiting, like,
he'll like give me the like me him.

Speaker 7 (01:07:32):
My guy does that all time, My guy Anthony.

Speaker 3 (01:07:37):
You know, we're there for a while. The beer got
the air because.

Speaker 7 (01:07:40):
You don't mind. He'll be in and.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
G S barber they're they're good. Yeah, they remembered you well,
like they did. So I'll roll in at eight and
they're not open yet and he'll be in there. He'll
see me. He'll open up for no.

Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
Yeah, he does that for the for the players as well.

Speaker 4 (01:07:56):
So you're on those Yeah, you should in there is
the real star of the show is here now, folks.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
Yeah, it's right. You know where the Papa Gino's plaza
is plaza. Yeah, on the other end.

Speaker 7 (01:08:08):
That's what he knows all of us because he watched
you know me, I walked in couches over there.

Speaker 5 (01:08:16):
We'll get to you again.

Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
Yeah, but he tells me all the time, if I
want to, you might need to come early to open
up the place for me.

Speaker 7 (01:08:21):
I'm like, I might need that.

Speaker 6 (01:08:22):
I'm like one of those washed up soap opera stars.
You know, sometimes you need an ego boost.

Speaker 3 (01:08:29):
Is harber shop.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
Roy wants to talk about Forge and Foxborough the documentary
We see love the first episode that covered up through
the draft. Assuming O t As and Camp is next.
What's coming next? Well, you'll have to wait and see.

Speaker 6 (01:08:48):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
He also wants to know.

Speaker 7 (01:08:49):
What a good bet though, But that's probably a good
Beth though.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
What what type of coverage do you have planned for
joint practices against the commanders and vikings? Well, I can
tell you when the commanders are here, will certainly be
live for that, and we'll have the cameras on as
long as we can, as long as they let us,
as long as they let us, So.

Speaker 5 (01:09:06):
It's a great time. Come down here, though, you know
what you do, Come down here and then put the
radio on.

Speaker 4 (01:09:10):
For the start of practice, you listen to one will
set it up for you and then we'll all enjoy
it together.

Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
A lot of people on on on the Twitter sphere,
on the X machine are asking about Forge Fred. They
want to know when the next one is dropping. It's
a lot of some confusion about, you know, the release
schedule and things like that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
And well, we've we haven't told anyone anything about when
it's coming out, but it's coming soon.

Speaker 4 (01:09:34):
I can tell you that if the last one covered
to the draft, this one might cover from the drafts
until now.

Speaker 6 (01:09:41):
You knows. In Mini caamp I go. You know, it's
probably a pretty good bag. You'll see some of that stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:09:45):
Yeah, some people like were like I thought it was weekly.
I was like, what were showed weekly? Wes?

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
Yeah, Dave wants to know, Deuce, have you had any
luck dealing with the Japanese not weed. My parents have
some and they've been cutting it down, which apparently doesn't
do much.

Speaker 4 (01:10:04):
Yeah, So you just have to dedicate yourself to it
and be ready to clean it out from the areas
you don't want it, like get near your septic system
or any of those stuff. But I've made peace with it,
and when I first moved in and I realized what
it was and how quickly it spreads like bamboo.

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
I was like, oh, this is bad.

Speaker 4 (01:10:19):
But you learn how to trim it back, and I
think if you pull it at certain times it's better
because it gets hard to get rid of it once
it gets hard and then it loses its leaves and
it's filled with seeds and you've got you know, hard
bamboo stocks. It's easier when it's I just take one
of those like things, like it's like a lopper maybe shit,
you just right through it, so that looks like bamboo Japan.

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Every every it just grows.

Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
Does It's unbelievable. It's so easy to knock down, Like
it's like killing zombies, like they're really easy to kill.
But there's millions.

Speaker 5 (01:10:51):
When you start to pull the roots out, you know,
you know what I mean, hit them in the branch.

Speaker 7 (01:10:55):
You see the root, how deep the roots go.

Speaker 4 (01:10:56):
And then the different nodules off those nodules going off
of it. I mean, the thing spreads like wildfire. So
he just you know, you have to keep it cut back.

Speaker 5 (01:11:05):
But I haven't not too much of a problem. I mean,
it all dies in the winter.

Speaker 4 (01:11:07):
But when I was in LA we had actual break
most soft Well yeah, that stuff too, is it rows
up and it shoots through the I mean it'll ruin
your whole yard, the bamboo and the not weed if
you're not careful with at all.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
Yep. Let's see Caesar from Brazil and he's a football player. Hey,
how confident are we with Drake May and how does
that compare with our previous experience with Mac Jones's second year.

Speaker 7 (01:11:34):
I'm a lot more confident that Jones.

Speaker 5 (01:11:37):
I'm a lot more confident. I think the questions are
real though that I mean, he has to prove it.
But you feel good that we said a lot last year.
He's not going to be athletically limited.

Speaker 4 (01:11:45):
There isn't always going to be something that Drake May
has to work around physically. He's got all the gifts
that he needs to do to play in this league.
But will he be again My big question this year?
Is he clutch when the game is on the line.

Speaker 5 (01:11:57):
Is he at his best?

Speaker 6 (01:11:59):
You know?

Speaker 4 (01:11:59):
Or is he the guy that thres interceptions and can't
quite get the team over the hump.

Speaker 5 (01:12:04):
That's that's what I hope we'll learn about Drake May.
I hope I hope we learn the positive that he
is able to do it. But he's got all the
tools in the toolbox. That's reassuring to know that Max.

Speaker 3 (01:12:12):
Jones, you're hoping he was going to be really a
good enough game manager, but Drake May he could really
elevate talent. Like I think that's why it makes you
feel more optimistic. I don't know if it's necessarily that
what he did last year was so much better than
what Mac did his real the year, but just you
see the tools and you see, like Deuce is saying,
and Drake May could be an elevator of talent, whereas

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Mac Jones was always going to be well along for
a ride.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
I mean, after Max first year, we went into year
two at least I did thinking is there anything else?
Is there anything else he can do? This year? We
go in with Drake knowing this guy can do a lot,
but we're hoping he can eliminate the mistakes.

Speaker 4 (01:12:49):
Yeah, I've just been so impressed with his ability to
throw the deep ball that to me is just really
stood out.

Speaker 5 (01:12:55):
Uniquely of my time.

Speaker 4 (01:12:56):
Granted limited here with Brady for one season, but from
those other Mac just he's got a downfield accuracy gift
that and he's not afraid to do it.

Speaker 5 (01:13:06):
I mean, we saw a lot with Booty last.

Speaker 4 (01:13:08):
Year, and I hope he continues to make those big plays.

Speaker 5 (01:13:10):
Those are so vital to keeping pick.

Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
Kylon Pembroke rights. And I've been listening to old Pus
out of boredom, and I realized something that I've been
guilty as I've been guilty as well. The past two years.
We've taken solid Week one performances as a sign of
things turning around to be better, and I want to
warn against that we won't really figure out how good
this team is until the first four games of the

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season are played. In my opinion, what do you guys think?
I might even be longer than four yous.

Speaker 3 (01:13:38):
I just want the record to show that Week one
against Philly two years ago, I got killed because I
said that there was issues with that game tape that
people didn't want to admit because they looked at the
box score, said that Mac Jolling threw for like three
hundred yards and was like, we're good.

Speaker 6 (01:13:53):
I'm going to tell you that I never expressed optimism
off of that Week one win.

Speaker 7 (01:13:58):
Last year.

Speaker 6 (01:13:58):
I don't remember as much about how I felt after
the Philly game. But the Cincinnati game, I think Mike
and I spent a good portion of the postgame show
saying that kind of style is not sustainable, Like you
can't just run the ball into a brick wall and
hope you're running back breaks twenty seven tackles every play
and then you squeak out a win because the other
team was asleep.

Speaker 7 (01:14:19):
For sixty minutes. Yeah right, you remember that, I do.

Speaker 4 (01:14:23):
But I would still say that as tepid as things
were in camp, like it was a little encouraging, like
they somehow found a way to win.

Speaker 5 (01:14:31):
So you're kind of lying yourself a little.

Speaker 3 (01:14:33):
Bit, like to the fact that you win.

Speaker 7 (01:14:35):
But it was obviously the most important thing.

Speaker 4 (01:14:37):
But we were you know, Stevenson breaking tackles in the backfield,
the timely turnovers, with Marcus Jones having that one pop
right up into his hands to take a score off
the board.

Speaker 2 (01:14:47):
You know, it was right. We all said, that's a
tough way to live, but we were hoping that they
realized that and they were gonna winch And I do
think that.

Speaker 6 (01:14:54):
They played well that day, Oh yeah, they played clean,
But Cincinnati was very much complicit in their demise.

Speaker 3 (01:15:00):
I don't know if they played a while, they played
clean like they.

Speaker 7 (01:15:04):
I think that that team.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
Played about as well as Cable exactly. Christ and Kolfax California.
We should talk about a little bit about it. He
wants to know what everyone's take on the Raphael Devers
situation is.

Speaker 7 (01:15:16):
I mean, we should talk a little bit about it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:19):
No, we should. I mean, listen, but it's Boston, and.

Speaker 6 (01:15:22):
I have no problem with trading Devors. I have no
you know, I'm not a big sacred cows guy. I
just I hate the return they got, and I hate
the reasons why they made the trade.

Speaker 7 (01:15:31):
Yeah, dumping salary.

Speaker 2 (01:15:33):
Well you're assuming that's why they made the trade.

Speaker 7 (01:15:35):
They refuted, but I have a track record, I know.

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
But they refuted that.

Speaker 8 (01:15:39):
No, I know.

Speaker 3 (01:15:39):
Yeah, so yeah, I think it's an asset management issue,
like they whether it's how we got here to the
point that he had to be traded, or just what
they got in return. To Paul's point, either way, you're
not maximizing the last.

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
Let me ask you a question. If from the get
go they said, hey, we're bringing in Bregman, can you play?
Can you be dh He was like, yep, whatever, you
need oh costas is her, can you play? And he
was like, yep, I'll do whatever you want. If he
had been a team player from the get do you
think they would have traded him? Yep?

Speaker 3 (01:16:12):
I don't, But I think that I think the the
way that we got here was of their own doing
because they didn't do that. They signed Alex Bregman, they
showed up the spring training.

Speaker 2 (01:16:23):
If they had done everything right and he was a
team player, would they have traded him?

Speaker 8 (01:16:27):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:16:28):
I don't think so. But I think that the bigger issue,
And this is what stood out to me. I watched
the whole Zoom thing last night. The thing that stood
out to me that I feel like isn't being talked
about enough is Craig Breslo admitting that he mishandled the
communication with Rapie.

Speaker 2 (01:16:43):
He did.

Speaker 3 (01:16:44):
He came out and he admitted that, yeah, he said
that is that's that's not good general managing. Like that's
just not acceptable, Like you cost the Red Sox for
Rafael Devers like you just said you did, Like you
literally cost them a star player, Like that's unacceptable. And
if they had just gone to him and they had
said I was talking to Dan Roach about this before

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the show, and he was in today and he said,
if they sat him down and they said, we need
a right handed bat, Alex Bregman's available. This makes the
team better, We're gonna move you to first place, slash
DH And they told him that in February, we.

Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
Didn't know that we were going to get it.

Speaker 3 (01:17:22):
They knew that they were.

Speaker 2 (01:17:23):
Pursuing, they were trying. If we get them, then we're
going to try this. Yeah, that's fair enough. Now here's
here's where there's some evidence about Paul. Okay, So let's
say you are the owner of the Red Sox and
your general manager just botched one of the best hitters
in the league. The solution is getting rid of the hitter,

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or hey, maybe you're gonna take a time out from
being GM.

Speaker 3 (01:17:50):
They sided with the GM.

Speaker 2 (01:17:52):
I gide it with the GM because why maybe, okay,
here's our out right.

Speaker 3 (01:17:56):
Because he did what they wanted him to do, or
maybe you know, it is a team at the end
of the day, and he's one player on the team.
I just I've watched this team trade Mookie Bets and
Rafael dev and that's unaccepted.

Speaker 2 (01:18:09):
That McCarthy had the best question, which they evaded by
going into the twenty four year history instead of the question,
which was the last five years?

Speaker 7 (01:18:16):
That was very Belichick like, wasn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:18):
Oh yeah it was. It's absolutely what Belichick did with
Mike Reese at the owner's meeting when he said, you know,
why should fans be excited this year? He goes over
the last twenty years?

Speaker 3 (01:18:26):
Right. It would be the same thing if the Patriots
in a couple of years traded Christian Gonzales, right, and
they said and they and you know, whether it was
a contract thing like with Mookie or it was an
attitude thing like with Devers, and they just traded Christian Gonzales,
but they made the bed and then they traded the player.
And I would say the same thing about doing that
for Christianzalez, just to make it about football, you know,

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like that. That's what the Red Sox have done, is
they have played hardball with their superstar players twice now
and they've lost two generational talents as a result.

Speaker 7 (01:18:58):
And go ahead.

Speaker 4 (01:18:59):
I was just gonna say, you se, the fans like
Jared Carabas that I can't explain it, and that to
me is the biggest nightmare as a fan when We
spend so much time talking about how can the Patriots
get more talented, to have talent in the building and
have a core that won a championship whatnot? Seven years ago?
And now that's all gone. Why do fans have any
reason to believe that this is exactly what's gonna happen

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with all the young stars?

Speaker 6 (01:19:21):
My line of thought too, because I've heard a lot
about well, it's sending a message in the locker room.

Speaker 7 (01:19:25):
You know, these young kids are impressionable. They're coming up.

Speaker 6 (01:19:28):
Roman Anthony and they're telling you how good it is
for them. And I would say I can make just
as strong an abstract argument. I mean, let's face it,
that's a very subjective thing. Is how it affects other people,
you know what I mean? Mentally, Like you can't identify,
you can't define how that's affecting Roman Anthony and Marcello Meyer, Right,
you don't know for sure? Can't that have a negative

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impact on a young guy like I can do exactly
what they want. I can be elite at what I do,
But he can give me a contract and they can
still trade me.

Speaker 2 (01:19:58):
But he didn't do exactly he did want.

Speaker 7 (01:20:00):
He's hitting at an elite level.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
They asked him to be all they wanted.

Speaker 6 (01:20:03):
They If you think that he's gone because you wouldn't
play for at base, then I have a couple of
bridges to sell you he's gone because they gave him
a contract that they immediately regretted. Well, three hundred and
thirteen million, I would argue things changed. He became a DH.
Now that's a very expensive DH.

Speaker 7 (01:20:19):
I get it.

Speaker 6 (01:20:20):
I understand what the Red Sox are thinking. He's a
very expensive DH. He's not overly expensive if you consider
him a third basement.

Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
So why if they asked Bregman to play second or
short or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:20:34):
Cold club third basement.

Speaker 6 (01:20:36):
Well, they also initially posed it as that that they
were going to ask him to do that, and that
was how they placated him initially.

Speaker 3 (01:20:44):
There's no issue with them asking Devers to not play
the field or to play first base because Bregman's awesome
at third base, cold glove caliber, third basement. It makes
all sense in the world. But you got to be
upfront and honest with the player, especially a star player
like Rafael Devers, and like to douce point about the fans,
like I am a fan that wants to buy tickets
to watch the Red Sox. I won't give him my money,

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Like I just won't. Like you keep on doing stuff
like this. It's a slap in the face of the fans,
Like who's jersey are you supposed to buy? Like who
are you supposed to go.

Speaker 7 (01:21:14):
To the games for?

Speaker 3 (01:21:15):
And I know the kids are coming, the kids are coming,
but like they're not here yet, Like they're here, but
they're not They're not at that leg right.

Speaker 6 (01:21:22):
And if you wanted to give me some some like
ready made major league pitchers in an exchange that maybe
costs some money, then I'd be more willing to say Okay.
So they look at this is value add because it's
going to be additioned by subtraction. Even though he's a
really good hitter. They don't like the way he's been brooding.
Even though I think this is a month too late.

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I think the problem was back in April and May,
when I would say May, when Cosas actually got hurt
and they had the hole at first base.

Speaker 7 (01:21:53):
That's when it was a problem.

Speaker 6 (01:21:55):
I think he kind of put it behind him, and
I think he had moved on and he is really
sort of settled into a decent groove offensively. And I
had an argument with No Socks yesterday about this. It's like,
you know, he doesn't he's not that good. He doesn't
do this. And I would argue with with no socks
in general, that defines every player and every sport is
they're just not that good anymore, you know, in this

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day and age. But like he's pointing to his batting
average being two seventy two whatever, it is not being
very good. What do you think of Aaron Judge? Do
you know he has too fewer RBIs than Aaron Judge.
Aaron Judge is having a historic season. He has two
fewer RBIs than Aaron Judge.

Speaker 2 (01:22:35):
And if you took away half of Dever's RBIs that
he has this year, the Red Sox wouldn't even be
close to where they are now. They wouldn't even be sniffing.

Speaker 7 (01:22:46):
So trade him. I get it, you want to you
want to get about you.

Speaker 2 (01:22:50):
I'm for the trade, by the way, but that's.

Speaker 7 (01:22:53):
Okay, And I'm not on record anti, but I'm not
anti the trade.

Speaker 3 (01:22:57):
Make a baseball trade, and make a baseball.

Speaker 7 (01:22:59):
Trade, don't make a salary dump that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:02):
Well, let's see what they do with the money. I'm
holding out hope.

Speaker 7 (01:23:05):
But I don't know why that matters. If it does matter,
if they had made if they had got something for
this guy, you chose.

Speaker 2 (01:23:13):
Not to not right away you get closer to the deadline,
other guys might free up. It's better to wait till
then you might have more of a selection the deadline.

Speaker 7 (01:23:22):
I don't understand if you have.

Speaker 2 (01:23:23):
Because you wanted to get rid of him.

Speaker 6 (01:23:24):
Now I'm okay again again, after everything had set, the
dust had settled, and he had sort.

Speaker 2 (01:23:31):
Of we don't know how long they've been working on this,
a couple of weeks.

Speaker 7 (01:23:34):
He had come to grips with it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:36):
So if you waited till after the dust had settled,
they waited until they had the deal.

Speaker 6 (01:23:39):
But again, I don't understand why your theory is exclusive
of getting talent.

Speaker 2 (01:23:44):
Now, I think Craig and Sam did a good job.
All right, we got let's get back to the show.

Speaker 7 (01:23:49):
It's just that I'm talking about it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:51):
We talked about it enough.

Speaker 3 (01:23:53):
We can talk show like the trade. There's I'm sure
there's a much more recent example. But it's my childhood,
like a rod for Alfonsa Sorriana, right, like this is
my rod was so much better than a Fonza Sorriana,
but sorran it.

Speaker 6 (01:24:06):
Was a good But did that preclude those two teams
from then adding other players in the deadline?

Speaker 3 (01:24:10):
And they traded him, but they took on money. Texas
took on money to make the trade happen, but they
got an All Star.

Speaker 2 (01:24:17):
When is the trade headline? By the way, July?

Speaker 3 (01:24:19):
End of July?

Speaker 7 (01:24:20):
And I just don't know why trading for.

Speaker 2 (01:24:22):
A month and a half. It's a month and a
half from now.

Speaker 7 (01:24:27):
You don't know how calendars work. It's less than a
month away the trade deadline, he said, end of July.
Usually it's the middle of July. But but it's the
end of June. Now then it's like.

Speaker 2 (01:24:40):
That's the middle of middle of June.

Speaker 7 (01:24:42):
So it's less than a month away.

Speaker 2 (01:24:43):
I said a month and a half because he said
it was the end of July.

Speaker 6 (01:24:47):
You know, so the thirty So the thirty first is
a month and a half. Okay, you're right, it's July
thirty first month happened and a half. Why do you
have to wait till you're right? I said, it's a
long time. Said you're right, No, it's not a long time.

Speaker 7 (01:25:01):
It is, it's six weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:25:02):
I don't want him brooding sitting on that cooler being
a yeah, I don't want him hitting.

Speaker 7 (01:25:08):
I'm not anti Devers trade.

Speaker 2 (01:25:10):
I know you want it more. I don't think right
now they.

Speaker 7 (01:25:13):
They wanted something, they got nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
They got three hundred million dollars.

Speaker 6 (01:25:16):
This makes the package they got for Mookie Bets look
like they got Jason Verattek and Derek Wall for Heathcliff's Sulcombe.

Speaker 7 (01:25:23):
This was nothing. They got nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:25:25):
Listen, I don't think the management they got to.

Speaker 6 (01:25:27):
Get the prize of they immediately put to Wister like
that's supposedly the best guy thing.

Speaker 3 (01:25:32):
But they didn't have alignment with Devers and that was
the most important thing, and said it's seventeen times, only.

Speaker 7 (01:25:38):
Fourteen only fourteen?

Speaker 2 (01:25:39):
All right, okay good?

Speaker 6 (01:25:41):
And I also read that chicken bleep thing that they
had to do by saying we're gonna have an eight
o'clock Well, zoo.

Speaker 7 (01:25:46):
Olot want Yeah, why did the GM have to be
on the west coast?

Speaker 6 (01:25:50):
Well, he's gonna be with the because he has no
balls and he didn't want to have a press conference
when people might actually be there.

Speaker 2 (01:25:55):
At a gorilla He may not be suited to be
a GM, that's true.

Speaker 6 (01:25:58):
They're suited to own the team anymore because they don't
want to invest in winning.

Speaker 3 (01:26:02):
Watching that press conference made it worse, like I I
it was. It made it worse. They like just sitting
there watching them talk about it. We don't have a lineman.
You don't have a lineman. He's your DH, and he's
the best left at hand, Henner in the al.

Speaker 7 (01:26:15):
Now we have now we have roster flexibility.

Speaker 3 (01:26:18):
Well, because they've always wanted that with the DH. They
want to revolve the socks.

Speaker 7 (01:26:22):
And that's that's you know what they always say about
having a young guy, you know what's really good for him, dhing.
That's usually a good way to develop a prospect.

Speaker 3 (01:26:29):
No pressure on the young guys except Roman Anthony hitting
third in the lineup in a really important series in Seattle.
No pressure better than.

Speaker 7 (01:26:36):
Christian Campbell hitting clean up for like the entire month
of May.

Speaker 2 (01:26:40):
It's crazy, all right, Nate, Chicago's on the hotline. What's up, Nate?

Speaker 7 (01:26:44):
They've won six in a row.

Speaker 21 (01:26:47):
Good now, you guys are getting riled up, all right,
Hang in there, Mike.

Speaker 3 (01:26:52):
Thank you.

Speaker 7 (01:26:54):
Mike talks about no other sports I know you hockey.

Speaker 2 (01:26:58):
It's not just football, it's just defense, not even sport.

Speaker 7 (01:27:03):
And you know Mike, he's defensive guy.

Speaker 2 (01:27:05):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:27:05):
He doesn't even talk about stuff you know about that
about Mike, but he likes the defense.

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
All right, what do you got, Nate, Well, we.

Speaker 8 (01:27:13):
All value Mike. I think we can all agree on that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:15):
Yeah, thank you in different ways, all right.

Speaker 21 (01:27:17):
You know we talk about sometimes now it takes a
couple of years before we know the draft class is
a good draft or a bad draft. I was thinking
about the twenty three draft, Kean White, Christian Gonzalez, Pop Douglass,
and kay Sean Body, and I'm wondering what you guys
would need to see from now as far as like
increase productivity this year, for at the end of the

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year for us to look at the twenty three draft
and say, hey, that was a good draft. And I
have a music recommendation for Evan. Listen a Big X
the plug. I think you'll like him. I'll take it
off air. Thanks, guys.

Speaker 3 (01:27:53):
I've heard a Big X them a little bit. I
think it's already kind of a good draft to me
because of Christian.

Speaker 6 (01:28:00):
I mean, I think Gonzalez was obviously an excellent pick. Yeah,
and those other three guys, if they make an ascension
into being frontline players.

Speaker 7 (01:28:08):
That's a great draft. I think they've already four front
line players.

Speaker 3 (01:28:11):
Already a solid draft. I think to be a greater,
a really great draft, that those other guys would have
to help out. But like Christian Zalez has been a stud,
Kean White's been a good player, you know, starting caliber player,
Pop Douglas has been a functional receiver.

Speaker 6 (01:28:26):
Like I think that I want to see more about
those the other three, Like king On White is a
starting caliber player for the Patriots, would he be a
starting caliber player for other teams?

Speaker 3 (01:28:35):
He would be in a rotation.

Speaker 7 (01:28:37):
I'm not saying no, ye asking that was an open ending.
I don't know if you would be.

Speaker 3 (01:28:40):
An eighty percent snap guy for another team, But he
would be playing on on most teams, you know, I
think he would have a role.

Speaker 4 (01:28:48):
I think Mike would argue, I mean, I think when
you look at it, it's a big opportunity for these
guys this year. I mean, Demario Douglas have an opportunity
a new offense, maybe catch a bunch of balls, Booty
as he fit in.

Speaker 5 (01:28:58):
I mean, seems like he has a can. Actually with
Drake May maybe he takes palls.

Speaker 6 (01:29:02):
But those are two guys that I would say fall
into the same category of what I'm just talking about.
They're going to be receivers for this team that has
no receivers. Yeah, would they be frontline receivers for a
team that has it?

Speaker 2 (01:29:13):
You know?

Speaker 7 (01:29:13):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:29:13):
And that and that to me leads to the biggest question.
I mean, and I even just throw City so in there.
He's in the mix for the guard position. But you
Ken White is That's that's the defining one to me.
He's able to be a starting defensive end hand down play,
you know, sixty seventy percent of the snaps be out there,
consistent pressure off the edge.

Speaker 2 (01:29:30):
Then, I mean, right, really we know Gonzales. If Booty
and White end up being good NFL players, then good draft.

Speaker 6 (01:29:37):
But I watched Gonzales play and I say he would
be a cornerback for virtually any other team.

Speaker 2 (01:29:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:29:43):
I don't say that about any of those other guys
in the draft. No, I think they get a lot
of opportunities because they're on a team that's talent division. Now,
maybe this the caller's right, they're entering year three. You know,
Kaisehon Boody, if you told me before last year could
have had the year that he did last year, I
would have said that, I don't see it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:02):
He did.

Speaker 6 (01:30:02):
He got better and he's improving, and based on what
I saw in the spring, I think he's built off
of that and is getting even better.

Speaker 7 (01:30:09):
Good shape, So maybe he is.

Speaker 6 (01:30:12):
At the end of the year. I look at him
and say, yeah, he could be a third receiver for
another team too.

Speaker 7 (01:30:16):
He's pretty good. He has a knack.

Speaker 4 (01:30:18):
You got a factor in the Marty Mapu moved to
linebacker and that happened last week, and it's it's it
seems like I mean, we talked injuries with him. He's
hanging on by a thread.

Speaker 3 (01:30:26):
It's the middle of that draft, Jake Anders Chad Ryland obviously, Oh,
I think the city. So Mafi's already off the team.
Is the fifth round pick that year, That middle of
the draft was rough. I remember Dead Live and then
they saved me with Pop Douglas. I was like, all right,
like a good pick, but that's always like that's another
you know, feather of the notch of the consensus. You know,

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they they picked two guys in the sixth round at
receiver that were pretty well thought of and known and
all that kind of stuff, and those two guys end
up being a lot better than the guys that they
reached on in the third and the fourth round.

Speaker 2 (01:30:59):
Todd in North Carolina. Hey, Todd, Hey.

Speaker 16 (01:31:03):
Guys, can you yes?

Speaker 13 (01:31:05):
Okay, so I've got a quick game.

Speaker 8 (01:31:07):
First, I'll say Carolina is as derived because we'll get
you to know about what.

Speaker 16 (01:31:13):
How many men's professional teams can you name that don't
have a pluralized name.

Speaker 21 (01:31:20):
I got the Heat and I got the Apple.

Speaker 6 (01:31:22):
What name?

Speaker 8 (01:31:24):
How many of you guys can name?

Speaker 5 (01:31:26):
It's a pet peevemon.

Speaker 2 (01:31:27):
Okay, thanks Todd. So if you go in MLS, they
all do you know, what's the question? How many men's
professional teams have a pluralized name?

Speaker 3 (01:31:37):
But is that pluralized?

Speaker 2 (01:31:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:31:39):
Heat, the Magic, Thunder, Thunder, Jazz.

Speaker 3 (01:31:42):
Yeah, a lot of basketball teams.

Speaker 2 (01:31:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:31:45):
So this just feels in the same department of like
warm up song team mascot names they used.

Speaker 6 (01:31:50):
To be so like the Red Sox, We'll do the
white song now the Raptors, Red Sox White.

Speaker 2 (01:31:56):
So it's all about it's all about you know what
is that By the way, I love the Yankee pinstripes.
Their away uniforms are like the ugliest.

Speaker 6 (01:32:10):
Well, they've destroyed the uniforms too with that new company
that fanatics.

Speaker 7 (01:32:14):
Is that what it is? A fanatics thing?

Speaker 6 (01:32:16):
Yeah, I totally agree with you, Fred, they've made bland
uniforms somehow look worse.

Speaker 3 (01:32:22):
How do you feel about the Red Sox wearing their
city connects during the Yankee series, because this has also
been the point of contention that it should be like
old school Red Sox Yankees original jerseys.

Speaker 7 (01:32:33):
I don't care about not city connects. That's another one
that gets under no socks a skin.

Speaker 3 (01:32:38):
Yeah, what's the new use of hockey?

Speaker 4 (01:32:39):
The YETI is that what they landed on, just like like,
why can't we just club not yet?

Speaker 6 (01:32:46):
I don't think it was Yetty. I think that was
one that was and they all said they picked the
wrong name. They should have gone with Yetti. But I
think they had a hard time to get that right
from the foot or something like that. But they but
they have company.

Speaker 3 (01:32:58):
Oh right, they.

Speaker 2 (01:32:59):
Couldn't use you couldn't use it, right.

Speaker 3 (01:33:01):
I also think it's funny that the athletics the A's
do not have a city right now. So they they're
not like the Boston Red Sox are just the athletics.

Speaker 2 (01:33:09):
They didn't know the olament, So what are they doing.

Speaker 3 (01:33:12):
They're in Sacramento right now, but they're going to be
in Vegas.

Speaker 2 (01:33:16):
That's what I thought they were going on.

Speaker 7 (01:33:18):
Yeah, but they right now in Vegas.

Speaker 3 (01:33:21):
Chicago Cubs, Boston Red Sox Athletics.

Speaker 2 (01:33:24):
That's going to be a stadium in Vegas right for
the baseball team.

Speaker 3 (01:33:28):
I don't know. It's supposed to go where the indoor
can't plays Flamingo right, Flamingo Luxor area of the strip
down there now, the Luxor is thing. I think they
forged itself.

Speaker 7 (01:33:42):
Ex Caliber I still the ex Caliber.

Speaker 3 (01:33:47):
They demoed the Flamingo. I think the other two are
still there.

Speaker 4 (01:33:50):
We stayed at the ex Caliber and we got like
comped for the brunch or whatever it was, and we
were like really excitedly, Hey, look at us getting comped.

Speaker 7 (01:33:56):
I went up there.

Speaker 5 (01:33:57):
I didn't eve want to eat the dessert, Like everything
just looks so gross.

Speaker 2 (01:34:00):
It was the nastiest book I have ever seen in
my life. Boston Cream's on the line. What's up? Boston Cream?

Speaker 8 (01:34:06):
A guns wouldn't be another Pus show without an argument,
completely not about football, and another.

Speaker 2 (01:34:12):
Boring Tod question, good.

Speaker 7 (01:34:18):
Straight Tom Brady hater.

Speaker 8 (01:34:22):
But truly it's kind of Paul that's the sneaky, maybe
not so steinky Belichick hater.

Speaker 3 (01:34:27):
It's true I agree with that.

Speaker 7 (01:34:32):
I don't really have. I not expressed myself over the
last twenty five years. It's not properly.

Speaker 3 (01:34:39):
Just got and four.

Speaker 6 (01:34:41):
I've sort of held my nose and you know, I've
accepted the fact that Belichick was the head coach. I
can remember having an argument with Fred like one hundred
years ago, like, if you could be guaranteed all the
winning that the Patriots have done, but have a head
coach with a personality instead, would you want? And Fred
very stubborn, he said, no, no, no, I want Belichick,

(01:35:01):
not really understanding what You're gonna win six titles and
you're gonna win every game that you've won, But Andy Reid's.

Speaker 7 (01:35:06):
Going to be the coach. No, I don't want it.

Speaker 6 (01:35:08):
They might say hi to you, yeah, but he might
actually walk by you and acknowledge that you exist as
a fellow human being.

Speaker 3 (01:35:14):
No listen asking too much.

Speaker 7 (01:35:16):
Yeah, I think changed his stance on that sense.

Speaker 8 (01:35:22):
In terms for pedestrian pet peeves. One of my pet
peeves is when you're standing at a crosswalk and you
know what car can stop, but this might be a
city problem. The person just doesn't want to stop because
they're in a rush, and they just speed up and
go right past to you as like a runner and
someone who's often a pedestrian, I like to just put
one foot into the roadway and then watch the fear

(01:35:44):
of God come through their eyes.

Speaker 2 (01:35:45):
Okay, so here's here's where I'm Boston kaream. I disagree
with that. I think in the city, if you're if
you're a pedestrian and you're not crossing with the light,
you're taking your life into your own hands. I think
the cars have every right to keep going. I don't
in the city we should be stopping every time someone's
in a tosswalk. It just ties up traffic too much.

Speaker 7 (01:36:07):
That's why you have the hoicide fred for it in
the city.

Speaker 2 (01:36:13):
Like I'm all for jwalking. I'm a big jay walker,
but I realize I'm I'm in the wrong. Yeah, they
I'm in the wrong and they don't need to stop
for me, so I need to do it.

Speaker 6 (01:36:24):
I've occasionally done what he's talking about where you get
to an intersection and you realize too late that there's
a person and you feel I feel bad, like, oh,
I should have stopped, But now like I don't want
to slam on my brakes to stop because that can
be more dangerous than not stopping in the first place.

Speaker 7 (01:36:44):
So I see both ways.

Speaker 8 (01:36:46):
Yeah, Fred is kind of like Michael Scott where he
comes in and tells the story about hitting a speed
bump on the highway. Right. And I do have a
question if we have times are a little overrating or roster,
which I would believe every fan base does. If you

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were to put a number out of thirty two, what
would you say The Patriots skill wise are out of
thirty assuming drink made is like middle of.

Speaker 2 (01:37:14):
The rowdy too, Oh he's middle of the road.

Speaker 7 (01:37:16):
Better better take back that shot at toime.

Speaker 3 (01:37:19):
Yeah, thirty two is a little Yeah, thirty two, That
is that what he's saying. You're saying either the No.

Speaker 7 (01:37:25):
One one to thirty two? Would you put that?

Speaker 3 (01:37:27):
He was saying that they He thinks that they're I
think that they've.

Speaker 6 (01:37:30):
Sort of gotten to the hot probably the middle of
the path twenties. Yeah, they've moved up from the bottom
to you know, top Thankston Williams.

Speaker 7 (01:37:39):
Top of the last thirty is tough.

Speaker 3 (01:37:41):
The offensive line and receivers are still not.

Speaker 6 (01:37:44):
Sire, still works in progress, you know, based on that
that overrated thing. So I was joking about, you know,
you go for the ego boost when someone comes out
and say hey you. So I bump into someone yesterday
getting lunch and starts talking to me and asking me
questions about you know, and I was like, you know,
I went with my my staple free agency thing.

Speaker 7 (01:38:06):
They've improved, blah blah blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (01:38:08):
So what do you think?

Speaker 7 (01:38:08):
What do you think?

Speaker 6 (01:38:09):
Uh, you know, ten wins, eleven wins. I go, oh,
that's a lot. He goes, well, what do you think?
I go maybe seven or eight? The look of utter
disdain really and I felt like I, you know, I today,
you know, and I was just like, I'm thinking to myself,
don't ask me if you don't want an answer, like
I tried to answer it. Honestly, I think I think

(01:38:31):
they're going to be twice as good as they were
last year, and somehow that's going to be a disappointment
to you. That kind of lends to Boston Cream's point
of I think people were starting to overrate things a
little bit. Eleven wins now or we're going to be
eleven wins are busted, We're going to be disappointed.

Speaker 5 (01:38:45):
It's what happens is that builds in a crescendo.

Speaker 4 (01:38:47):
You have mini camp, there's usually good vibes out of that,
and you get to this point between ani camp and
training camping, this is the time to be stupid positive
because once you start training camp and joint practices in
preseason games. I remember thinking last year with Jira when
it was like, it's all great right now, I mean,
and Abel said the same thing to you, like it's
it's easy to run the thing through the off season,
and especially this year it looked like pretty good.

Speaker 5 (01:39:08):
But we all know July twenty whatever, and when it
all starts that's when the real well.

Speaker 6 (01:39:13):
And then what people do and people do this every year,
so they they added what, let's say conservatively seven six, seven,
eight starters.

Speaker 7 (01:39:25):
What happens if three of those guys get hurt.

Speaker 2 (01:39:27):
It's the worst, right and injuries will happen.

Speaker 6 (01:39:30):
And that's not a matter of it's not like that's
a doomsday scenario. I'm not talking like Drake May gets hurt.
Every team would be devastated if their starting quarterbacks Carold Landry.

Speaker 7 (01:39:40):
But what pull that?

Speaker 6 (01:39:42):
What happens if if Christian Gonzales gets hurt? What you know,
what happens if you know you have right now a
situation on the offensive line where you've you've drafted a
kid to be the fourth overall pick and starting left
tackle because you didn't have a left tackle, and all
of a sudden, Will Campbell gets hurt. You know, like,
I'm not even know if Will Campbell's going to be

(01:40:02):
good or not, but I know that you don't have
anything better than him.

Speaker 2 (01:40:06):
I know that.

Speaker 3 (01:40:07):
I also think you're looking at the opponents and a
lot of the reason why people are picking them to
win so many games because the schedule is so easy.
But it always looks one way in June, and then
we get into the season, and then there will be
teams that are much better than we thought they were
going to be. There might be teams that were much worse,
but there's going to be teams that were better.

Speaker 6 (01:40:26):
It's a great point, you know, I think it looked
a lot harder last year at this time. Yeah, and
it ended up playing right right, because I think there
were teams like the Jets that people thought were going
to be really good.

Speaker 7 (01:40:36):
It's gonna be two really tough games, and it turned
out that it wasn't.

Speaker 2 (01:40:39):
Speaking of the Jets. Matthew from Arizona rights in, I've
been watching the Jets YouTube channel and worry that we
may be underestimating them With Justin Fields, he's more mobile
in the pocket. Do you think he's a bigger threat
than Rogers with the Steelers? Yes? Yes, what he's saying
is Rogers with the Steelers. Jet feels with the Jets.
Who's a bigger challenge for the paper Rogers with this Steelers.

Speaker 6 (01:41:00):
You're talking about who's a better team the Steelers are
the Jets.

Speaker 2 (01:41:03):
Is he a bigger threat with the Jets than Rogers
is with the Steelers?

Speaker 6 (01:41:06):
I would say Fields with the Jets, I think Rogers
is done, but I think the Steelers are better than
the Jets. So I would rather play the Jets than
the Steelers, if that makes any sense.

Speaker 7 (01:41:15):
But Rogers, to me, I.

Speaker 5 (01:41:17):
Want to get there, and I probably am there.

Speaker 4 (01:41:19):
It's still just hard to shake off Aaron Rodgers, and
you know, truly believe he's washed, which he very well
might be. But I just think of how Fields looked
here a couple of years ago, and he had the
best game of his life.

Speaker 5 (01:41:30):
I think about Week one with Gino Smith.

Speaker 6 (01:41:32):
I think how he looked here last year, where like
the Jets are a good team, like talent wise, they
missing the quarterback, which is a huge missing. But do
we like just penciling two wins against the Jets? Is
that what everybody's doing other than us? No, but I
think everybody's penciling two wins for there. The penciling will

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win over the Raiders. The penciling and win over the Titans,
the Browns, and that's how you get to ten and
eleven wins. Every one of those games is win. I
look at those games, is probably six or seven of
them you're gonna split them. You'll go four and three
if you know, three and four whatever, because the other
teams are looking at you the same way.

Speaker 2 (01:42:10):
Sure.

Speaker 3 (01:42:11):
Yeah, but Justin Fields does not put any fear, And
to me, that fear that game he played a couple
of years ago was the best game of his life.
He'll never play that.

Speaker 6 (01:42:20):
I do not have fear of Justin Fields. I respect
the Jets roster, and I kind of respect what they've done. Like,
I haven't heard Ben Vollen wrote about this over the weekend,
and I you know, I hesitate to give Ben Vollen
credit because I love to tease Benvowen. He's one of
my favorite guys to tease. I haven't heard anything about
the Jets all off season. When was the last time

(01:42:42):
you said that?

Speaker 3 (01:42:43):
Yeah, I just I think the Jets roster has they
have Obviously they have some top end talent with Sauce
and Garrett Wilson and Quentin Williams, but like.

Speaker 7 (01:42:53):
We're making some a pretty good offensive one.

Speaker 3 (01:42:55):
We're just getting to the point though, where it's like
everybody keeps talking about how to Jets' roster is and
they don't win. So like at some point you have
to look at it and say, it can't all be
the coach, it can't all be the quarterback. Like they
have this great roster every single year, Jet's great roster, loaded, loaded, loaded,
and then they don't win any games. So at some
point they got to win.

Speaker 2 (01:43:15):
Yep.

Speaker 6 (01:43:16):
I would agree with that, and I would also say
the same thing I just said about the Patriots. I
do think they have good talent around the roster. Let's
see what happens when those some of those guys start
getting hurt. You know, Let's see how much depth they have.
I think the offensive line they're gonna have, They're gonna
have two young tackles.

Speaker 4 (01:43:31):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:43:31):
Are they gonna stay healthy?

Speaker 2 (01:43:32):
I don't know. Yeah, maybe Jasper and Somerville by way
of Maine. Full disclosure. I get rid of my car
two years back and drive mostly for work a few
times a month. If you're driving a car in Boston,
you are one hundred percent an interloper and should act
as such. I slow walk, jay, walk, walk, or however
I please, because Boston is a four hundred year old

(01:43:53):
city with bones built around the on foot individual. When
I'm in some hell hole like Phoenix, I know I
will coutow to drivers they will legit kill you. But
when I'm in God's walkable country, I will continue to
be a walk Chad ten and seven season wildcard win
with the second round exit incoming, Drake may MVP discussion

(01:44:14):
next year watch the space.

Speaker 3 (01:44:16):
Boston would be more walkable. To his point, if the
public transit was better than it is now. Some of
the reason why it isn't is because the city grid
is makes no sense whatsoever. It's not like New York
City where it's all just you.

Speaker 7 (01:44:29):
Know, it's amazing, you know what cows dictate how the
roads are going to be.

Speaker 3 (01:44:33):
Yeah, I get his point, but like it's only walkable
within the neighborhoods that you want. Like if you're in
the North End for the day, great and walkable. But
if you live in Everett and you want to go
to the North End, there's really only one way to
do that, like you know, and it's in an uber
in your own car.

Speaker 4 (01:44:51):
Like you're over by the Common or you're kind of
North End near South Station with Quincy Market in that area, right, But.

Speaker 7 (01:44:57):
A lot of people do walk.

Speaker 6 (01:44:59):
I'm always sort of I always think of different areas
of the city that in my mind are like, oh,
well that's way over there. But people that live in
and around the city and spend a lot of time
in the city, No, you just walk from you know
wherever to Fenway and that's no problem. I remember doing
that when when I met my wife and she was
still living in town. She lived you know, near Beacon Hill,

(01:45:22):
and like, just how many places we walked that I
was like I never thought of like being able to
walk from there to there.

Speaker 3 (01:45:28):
Oh yeah, now the green line, if you're on the
green line, you're good. Any of the other things you're
it's a it's a while. And then the green line,
you know, we'll go all away from Fenway to to
you know, North Station, so you you can like use it.
But it's just I challenged that the whole city is
really walkable, like the bird, like the neighborhoods are walkable.

Speaker 4 (01:45:49):
Yeah, I get a lot of traffic through Ruggles for Fenway.
Is that a big Like we did that one time
and said we don't we can't get to the green line,
but we took the commuter.

Speaker 5 (01:45:56):
Rail to Ruggles and that.

Speaker 4 (01:45:57):
But that's a pretty good little walk from rugg Stachne.

Speaker 2 (01:46:01):
Yeah, that's a good walk.

Speaker 7 (01:46:03):
That's a good walk.

Speaker 2 (01:46:04):
Kevin England, I've been a huge Patriots fan for twenty
five plus years, but in recent years I've adopted Boston
as a whole and watched the Celtics and Bruins when
my schedule allows. Very recently I started working at baseball
with the Red Sox. My question is, can you explain
the Raphael Devers terms in football? Terms the trade in
football terms, how big are we talking? So what would

(01:46:28):
be now in an analogy?

Speaker 7 (01:46:31):
No, No, that's a big trade. I don't I don't
trade have one.

Speaker 6 (01:46:34):
I mean it's not as big as like the Luca
trade that happened in the NBA, but kind of in
that ballpark's close.

Speaker 3 (01:46:40):
It's a similar trade, you know, similar Like wait, what
they traded?

Speaker 19 (01:46:44):
Who?

Speaker 1 (01:46:45):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:46:45):
I know?

Speaker 6 (01:46:46):
Sunday afternoon, my son told me and I said, we
did you get that? Like I immediately didn't believe it.

Speaker 3 (01:46:52):
That was the worst part. I was at a Father's
Day dinner with my diehard Red Sox fan dad, and
we were sitting down to eat dinner and I had
to tell him Father's Day that they just traded Raviel
Devers and I just saw, like the emotion just gon
leave his face, and he was.

Speaker 2 (01:47:06):
Like, what I think it would be? Like it's hard
to compare it to trading a quarterback, because quarterback, but
like if if you were to trade a big sack
leader like a Max Crosby or something, and you got
like special teamers and uh, you know, some draft picks
draft picks in return, it would be something like that.

(01:47:28):
I just think that the one of the league's best
sack leaders.

Speaker 3 (01:47:32):
The fact that he was homegrown, I think adds a
whole another angle to it as well, Like.

Speaker 4 (01:47:37):
Especially on the heels of what's happened in the last
few years.

Speaker 7 (01:47:40):
I mean, it's just like I.

Speaker 3 (01:47:42):
Said earlier, Like from a Patriots perspective, I think it's
like if they had extended Christian Gonzales then like asked
him to like move to safety and he got all
mad about it, and then all of a sudden they
were like, you know what, if you're not going to
play ball, we're just gonna trade you like that. That
would like that sort of thing is basically what happened.

Speaker 7 (01:48:03):
I don't get that you make it. What would make
it a better team?

Speaker 3 (01:48:07):
Says you, Well, no, we actually think we might win
more games now without Rafield evers then we would have
if not. And that's algorithm. I don't mean.

Speaker 6 (01:48:17):
I don't mean just to like steal my boy Felger's
line that he says all the time. It's one of
the few things that he says that I actually agree with.
I don't know what's going to happen. I don't, I
don't I can't see the future. I don't know what's
gonna happen. Maybe some of these teams that I think
have played I think the Yankees have played over their
heads quite frankly for the first three months of the season,

(01:48:37):
with all their injuries are I can't believe that they're
in this situation that maybe they're starting to seek their level.
They've lost four in a row now, maybe maybe they
have a dive coming. I can't see the future. I
don't know what's going to happen, but I don't think
the Red Sox are better today than they were.

Speaker 3 (01:48:51):
Watching the Yankees twice in like a week, it's like
to get Judge out. The rest of that lineup is
really not anything scary, not like it used to be.
You're not so Kodo Stanton Judge, you.

Speaker 6 (01:49:01):
Know, And if they can get Stanton, I mean Stanton's
coming back now, but you know, he's such a flawed hitter.

Speaker 7 (01:49:06):
Who knows what you're going to get from him? I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:49:10):
Uh, David and Maryland. Dear Evan. He says, I really
like you. You're a great addition to the show over
the past few years, and I'm concerned about but I'm
concerned about your mental and emotional health. Please. You are
far too young to be such a curmudgeon. Yes, people
talking about soap man bits and personal hygienes can be icky,
but just chill. Why rant about the youth goofing around

(01:49:32):
at concerts? Not everyone has fun your way, and that's okay.
Most concerning is that you are so annoyed by sometimes
greeting your friendly coworkers in the hallway. Paul was already
voted most likely to yell at kids to get off
his lawn, and yet he has the greatest advice, just
be a decent person. I have two things to help
you seriously. One, you are a great ball knower. Just

(01:49:53):
be who you are and let others be themselves. Two,
I have a burning question I need you to answer.
Can you explain the eighty five Bears forty six defense?
They had great players, yes, but what was the scheme?
I have never heard a good explanation before, and you
are just the guy to do it.

Speaker 3 (01:50:10):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:50:12):
This is the Buddy Ryan forty six correfense.

Speaker 3 (01:50:15):
I mean, the forty six defense is not I'm trying
to think of the best way to discre like it's
not nowadays. I don't think it's that revolutionary. It was
kind of revolutionary for the time. But now, you know,
teams played a lot more that. Basically the Bear Front,
which you know, very conveniently named it was, you know,
probably the biggest thing that came out of the forty

(01:50:38):
six defense. You know, just the way that they align
their defensive linemen and.

Speaker 7 (01:50:41):
Things like that.

Speaker 3 (01:50:43):
You know, I wouldn't say that it's that far of
a departure from what teams do now. It just was
a pretty revolutionary for the time. Also, me complaining about
everything is me being myself, so that that's just I
complained about a lot of things. You I'm a complainer.

Speaker 4 (01:51:03):
Talked to quite a few of the nineteen eighty five guys,
and all of them when talking about that game, and
they played the Bears twice in that season, they said
it felt like they had a couple extra guys on
the field going against them, that's how talented they felt.

Speaker 5 (01:51:17):
And the Patriots also.

Speaker 4 (01:51:18):
Too, lost Lynn Dawson, their tight end pretty early in
that game. They came out throwing, trying not to run
into the brick wall, which got away from their identity,
and we saw how it all snowballed on them. But
a lot of respect, I mean, I talked to Tip
about it. Tip was like I was so interested in
afterwards he had to like go get the playbook after
the season and really dive into understand.

Speaker 7 (01:51:35):
It a little bit.

Speaker 4 (01:51:35):
But likee F said, it's just I don't have the
ex centers and guards cover them up and.

Speaker 3 (01:51:40):
Knowledge the barefront was the big thing, you know, like
like du said, like the three guys across the middle
of the defensive line covering the centers and the guard
or guard and guards and centers single high most of
the time, one high safety. They had the two linebackers
on one point right on one side of the of
the formation too, which is like kind of unique. But

(01:52:01):
it was like basically just like a four to three
Like essentially, I.

Speaker 4 (01:52:05):
Want to say too maybe and I don't know if
you guys remember this, but I feel like Washington's offense
eventually came around schematically to something which I might even
just been the single back set that really gave the
forty six problems.

Speaker 5 (01:52:16):
There was like a schematic tack that it was they kind.

Speaker 2 (01:52:19):
Of exped to do.

Speaker 7 (01:52:20):
Was what Miami did to him. Miami shredded throw it
all over that game.

Speaker 5 (01:52:24):
They lost.

Speaker 6 (01:52:24):
Yeah, again, I don't I don't have the knowledge of
the exo's nose like Evan's talking about. I would just
say that I think a lot of teams could have
had that scheme and not had the success.

Speaker 2 (01:52:36):
I mean, they had a lot of talent.

Speaker 6 (01:52:38):
Harry Richard, Dan, Michael Singletary, Otis Wilson, Doug Playing, Gary Fencik.

Speaker 7 (01:52:43):
Those were great players.

Speaker 4 (01:52:44):
There's that other big defensive line Marshall Well refrigerated Perry Perry.

Speaker 6 (01:52:49):
There was another one too well, Wilber. Yeah, they Wilbur
Marshall was uh was on that team too. It's another one.

Speaker 7 (01:52:55):
They blitzed a lot like the line were immense.

Speaker 3 (01:52:58):
Yeah, but it's.

Speaker 2 (01:53:00):
Happy different era. Yeah, Craig and Charlotte last time, this
time last year, all anyone could talk about with Drake
May's footwork, which foot was forward? How many steps was
he dropping? Haven't heard a peep about it this year.
We know Josh in the past had Brady take shallower
drops and step up more in the pocket. With Will
Campbell having some issues with outside in rush moves, i'd

(01:53:22):
expect this would allow him to take shallower set sets
and protect better against inside moves. Wondering if you've seen
any adjustment by Drake from what he did last year.
Is his left foot still forward? And also note I
do wash my legs. Italian SUPs don't have mao and
boneless chicken wings are tenders.

Speaker 7 (01:53:42):
Yeah, the trifector of dominance.

Speaker 3 (01:53:46):
I'm not answered the football question after I just heard
that last line.

Speaker 2 (01:53:50):
I'm out, wow, Wow, You're not going to answer left footfall.
So are we still worried about Drake May's footwork?

Speaker 3 (01:53:56):
Yes, I will be forever worried about Drake May's footwork
because that just what these are the things that I
worry about. The drops in terms of the depth of
the drop that is tied to the routes that they're calling.
So like the depth of the drop I think was
more of a Brady thing than I would say that
it was like a system thing. A big part of

(01:54:16):
that with Brady is that he's not mobile, so like
he would set to a certain depth to you know,
help out his tackles because he's not going to help
him out by running. So that was a big aspect
of it. Too. Left foot forward, I would say, is
probably gonna stick. But you know, I think a lot
of what they're trying to do is carry over. You
know Ashton Grant was in Cleveland last year with Stefanski

(01:54:39):
and and try to keep it as much the same
from a footwork standpoint as they possibly can. So I'm
not worried about it by any means, but I'm always
going to be watching his feet. I mean, that's that's
a big part of his game, is making sure that
that stays rhythmic and stays on time and he stays
fluid with his motion and all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:54:57):
Speaking Fresno, going back to our original discussion of free agents,
he says, it's a question do you sacrifice more wins
this season if the free agency class mostly bus or
if Drake May is unimproved, Probably the ladder.

Speaker 5 (01:55:14):
Yeah, I'd probably lean the ladder.

Speaker 2 (01:55:15):
If he's unimproved.

Speaker 6 (01:55:16):
I just yeah, if he's like he was last year,
I don't think they're gonna win that many more games
than they did last year. They'll probably win more because
I think they're better coached and you do have better
talent around him. But if he plays poorly and turns
the ball over and to you a point, Mike that
you've been harping on, isn't what he needs to be
Latent games when games are decided.

Speaker 7 (01:55:35):
Your record's not going to be great.

Speaker 4 (01:55:37):
Do you think that there's a large percentage of Patriot
fans that are just head in the sand?

Speaker 5 (01:55:43):
Drake May is awesome. Yeah, we have our quarterback and
he's gonna be great this year, you know, Like I
just yeah, I think for me, he's the story this
year to me.

Speaker 4 (01:55:51):
And I think Rabel is over overshadowing that as the
new coach and then all the new system. But really
how this team wins or loses it, it's just you guys.

Speaker 6 (01:56:00):
Know, I love to sort of tease the you know,
the over the top, you know optimism Patriots fans. This
isn't even just Patriots fans. Like how many times have
you seen different national things this year that are listing?
You know, I saw something on Twitter yesterday. These eight
guys are poised for a huge year or two jump

(01:56:21):
and you know, Drake May is one of them. Peter Schrager,
I think, you know, I had identified him as absolutely all. Like,
I think he's given credit for doing things last year
that he didn't do quite frankly, and maybe that's because
he had so little around him that they just automatically
extrapolate and say if he just had a little help,

(01:56:41):
he would be x times better, which I don't think
is absurd. I think he had very little help and
was able to make some plays, just not enough. But
I don't I think Patriots fans and National fans in
general believe that Drake May has ascended to a level
he has in this I.

Speaker 3 (01:57:00):
Just wonder what, like, what's our bar though, because like
Justin Herbert is a great quarterback. He hasn't won anything,
but we can all say we watch Justin Herbert, it's
a good quarterback. That's a really talented quarterback. If Drake
May is that's the level that he gets to is
like a Justin Herbert level where they're a playoff team

(01:57:22):
but he's not winning the super Bowl?

Speaker 1 (01:57:24):
Is that?

Speaker 3 (01:57:24):
Are we that they?

Speaker 2 (01:57:26):
But are we? Like?

Speaker 3 (01:57:26):
No one's doubting that the Chargers have their quarter like
nor Herbert their quarter.

Speaker 6 (01:57:30):
But if I would say if May plays it to
that level, I would say that that he's made significant improvements.

Speaker 3 (01:57:36):
Yeah, No, I agree. I just think that are you
asking if that's good enough?

Speaker 2 (01:57:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:57:40):
Because I think that like a lot of people are
going to look at that and say, you know, kind
of like they do with with bloodsoe frankly, like they're
gonna sit there and say, fine player, but not great player.

Speaker 7 (01:57:50):
Apologize. It's just like that's a very rational time.

Speaker 3 (01:57:53):
I don't know, like I feel like that bar is high,
you know, in terms of the winning aspect of it.

Speaker 4 (01:57:59):
I mean, on him, Patriot fans aren't gonna want to
be the Philip Rivers team of the twenty twenties and
have a good quarterback. But you're just never gonna be
Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. You're always gonna be and
they don't want that thing wan to you better than Josh.

Speaker 6 (01:58:11):
But do you fall short because your quarterback isn't good enough?
Or do you fall short because your team just can't
get over the hump?

Speaker 13 (01:58:17):
Right?

Speaker 6 (01:58:17):
So I'm not help bent like it has to be
a title or bust. Like I think Dan Marino is
pretty good. I know that's a controversial take. I'll take
Dan Marino any day.

Speaker 7 (01:58:25):
Of the week. He never want anything, never want a
damn thing.

Speaker 6 (01:58:28):
I'll take Dan Marino as my quarterback and say it's
on you, right, Patriots, to make sure that you're good
enough to augment this guy right and make sure that
he has enough around him to win, yep. And if
you can't, you can't. I'm not gonna say I'm gonna
be happy if they never win, But.

Speaker 3 (01:58:44):
The long term outlook is really what I'm getting at
the Chargers.

Speaker 6 (01:58:47):
I don't think don't don't win because of Justin Herbert.
Now maybe I'm wrong. It's his career is still relatively young.
Maybe he's just one of those guys that his desk
just enough.

Speaker 3 (01:58:56):
To look like quarterbacks are to me, are like on
such a binary scale of like they're either the guys
you have to pay or guys that aren't the guy
and like, you know, friend's guy, Trevor Lawrence. It's like
Trevor Laurren's making fifty million dollars to quarterback the Jaguars
because you can see it when you watch him play.
He looks the part of a franchise quarterback. But they
don't win. So it's like, is that gonna be Drake's

(01:59:17):
future or is he going to be able to be
a winner, like a true winner? And I think that
that's gonna be hard with her.

Speaker 4 (01:59:24):
What's his dynamic with Josh Allen? That to me, is
he the little brother who can't ever quite beat him?
Or is he somebody who's nipping at his heels in chilling.

Speaker 6 (01:59:31):
Joe Burrow and not be good enough because Cincinnati's inept
and can't get him over the hump.

Speaker 2 (01:59:36):
Good good, good comp. Speaking of comp's most interesting Patriots
fan of the world on the Devers trade, comp says
Richard Seymour getting traded for a fourth rounder.

Speaker 3 (01:59:46):
Richard Seymour was way more towards the end of his
career though, like Dev's in the prime of his career,
is like twenty six years old.

Speaker 7 (01:59:52):
Yeah, all right, that's a good comp.

Speaker 2 (01:59:54):
It's not bad. That's gonna be it for this edition
of Patriots Unfiltered. We'll be back on Thursday at noon
with another edition and we'll have more fun then catch
twenty two tomorrow Tomorrow noon. So Barth is still doing
this right, Yeah, he hasn't not too busy.

Speaker 3 (02:00:12):
He hasn't big time me yet, but okay's coming. He
has like seventeen different podcasts.

Speaker 2 (02:00:16):
Okay, because if he's out, we're going to pair you
up with FITZI.

Speaker 3 (02:00:19):
So oh god ready nobody has more podcasts than Alex
Bart I'll tell you that.

Speaker 2 (02:00:24):
All right. Thanks for listening. Hey, this is Deuce.

Speaker 4 (02:00:29):
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Speaker 7 (02:00:29):
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