Patriots Unfiltered 6/24: Roster Building, Training Camp, All-Quarter Century Teams

Tune-in as Paul and Evan take a shot at a two-man PU show! They discuss reported Patriots signings and dive into roster building and depth charts. They look ahead to training camp to share their thoughts and expectations. Plus, they go back and forth naming players and coached in the past 25 years who would make their All-Quarter Century teams. Listen to that and more on this episode of Patriots Unfiltered!

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
There just was a lot of division, I think within
the ranks on those two staffs, and I think they
can really undermine what you're doing as a head coach.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
When Barth's cheating on you with David andrews Now on
that his new podcast, you should ask him a lot.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
That's a fair point.

Speaker 4 (00:37):
I can just see Evan, he's watching the Super Bowl
and he's got his jersey mics and he's like half bights,
like they're running as six to one for the tills.

Speaker 5 (00:45):
We all decided at some point that red meat was
the devil. So I don't know who you people are
eating a lot of red meat is.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
Not eat anything that bleeds or blood at one time.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
It's not the best for you. Can I go to
my dark negative side. Sure of course, that's why you
hear which people like you in front of it. I mean,
you know, they got nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
They got three hundred million dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
This makes the package they got from Mookie Betts look
like they got Jason bear attack in Derek Wall for Heathcliff, Salcombe.

Speaker 5 (01:11):
That is the trade hit one by the way, July,
hand of July.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
I just don't know why trading for a month and
a half. It's a month and a half from now.
You don't know how calendars work. It's less than a
month of west he said, end of July. Usually it's
the middle of July.

Speaker 6 (01:23):
But but it's the end of June, now the seventh,
that's the middle of children, middle of June.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
So it's less than a month away.

Speaker 4 (01:30):
I said a month and a half because he said
it was the end of July.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
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Speaker 2 (01:36):
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Speaker 2 (01:44):
I'm just gonna apologize and advance everyone, no Fred Kurse. Today.
The wheels are going to be off early and often.
It's just yours, truly an easy e Evan Lazarre. It's
gonna be a uh bare bones show today on Patriots Unfielded.
But we'll get through, We'll we'll get by. We got
some stuff to talk about. Of course, you know, major

(02:08):
transaction for the Patriots right off the top. So I
don't really think we need to have any pleasantries, Evan,
we get Let's get right into the guys, all right,
let's get into yes, yes, yes, your news of the day. Yes,
big big move, big move.

Speaker 5 (02:25):
The day in Boston Sports today. Well, it's a I'm
not going to make a huge deal about Yes here Durant,
who was with the DC Defenders of the UFL most
recently champions championship pedigree, championship pedigree is right, there's no
Patriot that's won a Super Bowl with the Patriots on
the rosters. Now we have the UFL champion, yes here Durant.

(02:48):
But he, uh, he had a really good season there,
you know, all all UFL team for whatever it's worth,
you know, all pro in that league. And uh, there
was definitely some murmurs about, you know, him on short
lists of guys from that league that might get NFL
contracts coming off the spring leagues and things like that.
So but bigger picture, I think it's more just a

(03:09):
conversation about that ongoing left guard competition and West Schweitzer retires,
they signed Yasir Durant kind of fills in for that
west Sweitzer role of that veteran that's been around a
little bit so that would be the way I would
read it would just be kind of just another West
Schweitzer replacement type of player of older in the back.

(03:30):
Throw him into the midd.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Throw him into the mix. He's you know, he was here.
What was the twenty one, twenty one one one start?

Speaker 5 (03:36):
I think training camp at twenty two.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
Okay, so you know, you throw him into the mix.
He's a guy with at least some familiarity with the organization,
you see, if he can cover out a role. I
do feel like the tackle spots. We talked about this
a little bit last week. I think the tackle spots
are a little bit bear beyond Morgan Moses and Will Campbell. Yeah,
you know, so, I think there's a lot of competition
with Cayden Wallace. There's been some talk of wall Us

(04:00):
maybe sliding inside to provide depth in the interior spots
as well. So if Durant is one of these guys
that can carve out a role as a swing tackle
or provide you some depth on the inside, you know
who knows. So that's the big big, that's the big
Patriots news, and that's really about all we got for
Patriots news. Yeah, and I'm not gonna lie. It's the
biggest news story probably of the day here in Foxborough

(04:23):
is the intense heat that we're uh, we're dealing with
knocking on the door of triple digits, which is not
not something happens every day in New England. We're in
the we're in the mid nineties, and uh, I for one,
I'm really happy for it because I like the heat
and it's been a miserable spring. Now that we're into summer,
at least we're getting some summer like weather. I know

(04:46):
that you know, you you millennials are probably melting over there, so.

Speaker 5 (04:50):
You're a summer guy.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
I love this because now I love now.

Speaker 5 (04:53):
The hot take that's out there is to be that
summer is overrated.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
But you you think some aer just talking overrated about summer.

Speaker 5 (05:02):
It gets a little hot, So what it's a little hot.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
It's a little hot.

Speaker 5 (05:05):
It's a little hot.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
On first of all, there are very few days like
today that's in this in this area. I want to
say I saw something, you know, this would be a
perfect fred ism. I wanted to say I was watching
the news, I think yesterday and something like in the twenties.
Of the amount of days that are over one hundred,
you know, like on record twenty nine. Yeah, like around

(05:28):
here obviously not in the you know, we're not talking
Phoenix where it's like one point fifteen on a regular basis.
But yeah, it's it's warm here. Not a lot going
on in and around the stadium. I've been struck the
last couple of days that I've been walking through the
parking lot looking over at the players area, have not
a lot of activity over there, which is what it

(05:49):
should be at this time of year. It's that sort
of key five or six week period between the end
of Mini camp and the start of training camp where
the coach loses his mind because you're constantly worried about
what his players are doing.

Speaker 5 (06:02):
I'm sure, i mean, your hands off at this point
in terms of training and all that kind of stuff.
And I hate to go back to this well, but
we've talked about in the past to this schedule maybe
changing in terms of the NFL off season and how
they structure the NFL off season, because it makes no

(06:22):
sense to me that they have the spring program, they
have OTAs, they have Mini camp, and then everybody goes
on a five week break and then we come back again.
At the end of July, Like, I just why the
break in between. I still can't really wrap my head
around why that is. You know, obviously just talking about
it from a football standpoint. Got to stay in shape,

(06:45):
you gotta get ready for the season. That's a lot
of things I've abele talked about towards the end of
the spring. But unfortunately, just league wide, a lot of
guys get in trouble this time of year too, right,
So it's just all around this break is like it
just whether you're staying in shape, whether you're you know,
doing the right things in terms of off the field,

(07:06):
Like that's that's where we're at right now, and it's
tough every year we hear bad news this time of year.
It feels like league wide of course, and so you
just got to stay out of that, stay out of
the headlines. But I would I would understand totally if
they decided to push this around a little bit in
terms of the off season and go to more of

(07:27):
like a continuous ota mini camp, training camp type of schedule,
because this is you're right, like all thirty two coaches
are sweating it right now about their team.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
So give you a real, real quick I'll give you
a story that the late great Will McDonald once told
Fred and I and Brian Morey when I first started here.
You know, Will's talking to us about some of some
of his early interactions with Bill Belichick. And this was
before I think Bill may have been the coach at
Cleveland at the time. And they Will golf. Will and Bill.

(08:02):
We're out, you know, I think, golfing on Nantucket and
Bill's standing over his ball, getting ready to take his drive,
and he's addressing the ball, and all of a sudden,
he just backs away and he starts mumbling some swears,
and Will's like, what's the matter Bill. He's like, you
just never know what they're doing. You never know what
they're doing, Like these a holes are getting in trouble

(08:24):
right now and you have no control over it. And
Bill hated that feeling of not having the control. So
I can understand what you're talking about. It's something that coaches,
you know, they think about it all the time. So
I mean, it just was one of those little anecdotes
that always stuck out to me. And it was something
that that McDonald's told told us. God's twenty five years ago,

(08:45):
maybe maybe longer. At this point.

Speaker 5 (08:46):
It's too bad that, you know, towards the because you
hear a lot of stories like that of Bill with
people in the media once upon a time, you know,
hanging out, you know, golfing, you know, your guy Felger
is alway. Yeah, it's been talked about that in the past,
and having these and then like you know, post by
you that does like completely change and Bill became completely

(09:09):
closed off to anybody on the outside. But we've been
cool to golf with Bill, you know absolutely, that would
have been amazing.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
So you can tell that it's going to be one
of those shows today where pretty much anything goes. Yeah,
so if you have anything on your mind at all,
there are no topics that are going to be dismissed today.
I'm not going to make that promise because you know
how I can get sometimes when I'm not in the mood.
But in all seriousness, let us know we can go
in a number of different directions today. Obviously there's not

(09:38):
a huge amount of breaking Patriots news. I believe we're
down to one draft pick remaining unsigned, trading on Anderson, right.

Speaker 5 (09:47):
Yeah, well we can talk a little bit about that.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
I mean, Craig Woodson did sign, so I think we're
down to one pick, you know, So if that's something
that's giving you some concern, let us know Patriots Unfiltered
Hotline obviously eight five five Pats five hundred, or you
could send us an email at podcasts at Patriots dot com.
So those are the two best ways to get in
touch and take part in our conversation today. But again,

(10:12):
not to go all Felgrinmas on you, but free form
Friday Tuesday Special Tuesday with one hundred degrees out edition.
Anything you guys want to talk about just looking ahead, Evan,
I wanted to get you a take, and I printed
out the lengthy lists the ESPN and PFF I believe
have combined to put together a quarter century NFL team,

(10:38):
so position by position, mostly pretty straightforward picks. But I
think that we can probably have some some conversation at
least about some of the omissions. I had one Patriot
omission that kind of rubbed me the wrong way that
I'll get to later, so we'll spend some time going
over that. But in the meantime, like I said, let

(10:59):
us know what you got want to talk about, get
you know, get on the on the phone. Patriots unfilled
their hotline again eight five five pats five hundred or
shoot us an email. We have a couple of emails
already coming in. I see one. Uh. You know, we
were talking about the tackle situation and and you know,
the the worries about the coaches leaving, the players leaving,

(11:20):
and the coach is worrying about it. Will Campbell looks
like he's going to be sticking around during this period.
So I'll get to that email later. But he was
doing some charity stuff, you know, the past week. I
think it was the Great Wolf Lodge.

Speaker 5 (11:33):
Yeah, some water park or something like that. I think, uh,
I think when Alex Francisco might have something up about
some of the stuff.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
Absolutely, absolutely, uh So get those emails in and uh,
this is a good time when you're outside it right,
because Evan melted by the way he said this summer
is overrated. He can't be outside. We know Evan doesn't
do any yard work anyway. I didn't say.

Speaker 5 (11:57):
Summer was overrated.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
Summer's overrated. It's too hot. He doesn't do hard work
in the first place. So for those of you that
aren't afraid to go outside and get maybe a little
bit sweaty, a little uncomfortable and get some work in.
Fred told me last week that you need work boots
to do yard work, which I had never really thought of.
And then I did some power washing over the weekend

(12:19):
and I wish I had my work boots on and
I agree, yeah, And I had my new work boots
from Brunt because that you know why, because they gave
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(12:40):
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(13:03):
I was not ofully familiar with it. I don't know
how much you had with it before they became a
great sponsor for us, but the people at Brunt were
kind enough to send us some apparel and I love it. Yeah,
And I'm picky, and I wish I had those work
boots on when I was powerwashing, because my feet got
soaked and wet, and I don't think that would have happened.

(13:24):
If I had the work boots on, which were right
in the house, I could have just put him on.

Speaker 5 (13:27):
I'm a picky guy when it comes to clothes, which
I don't think is probably surprising, but.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
A ricky guy when it comes to everything, right.

Speaker 5 (13:35):
So I'm very picky when it comes to my clothes,
and so it honestly, it frustrates me because a lot
of the time if somebody gives me something for free,
which is not very often, but if it does happen,
a lot of the time, I don't like it, like
it just doesn't fit right or whatever. This the quarter
zip that they gave us was fantastic. I could definitely

(13:55):
see myself wearing it. I was very excited that it was.
It was very comfortab.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
Yeah, I mean it's I'll be looking forward to the
first snow small now, I won't let me just take that,
ye here, summer guy, I'm not looking forward to the
first snowstorm. But I had some issues last year with
my old boots. My old boots. I lost a whole
soul of one of the boots actually had a duct
taped on as I was doing the snowblower the last time.

(14:22):
So I'm very much happy, very much appreciative of the
fact that I have a new pair of work boots
that I will be doing that work with this time around.
But I was talking about Will Campbell a little bit
ye and Jesson Brooklyn is the one who sent the
email in I believe I heard on PU or elsewhere
that Will Campbell was playing to stick around Foxborough leading

(14:44):
up to camp, and I'm wondering what that means and
what are the rules in terms of contact between players
who stay in town in Patriots staff. Is Campbell allowed
to work out at the stadium under the guidance of
the Patriots strength and conditioning coaches or does he have
to use another facility in private trainers. Is he allowed
to go into the team's film archives and watch tape
or is that prohibited. Obviously, many young players want to

(15:04):
take steps to get a leg up, but the Players
Association doesn't want them feeling pressure to skip their time
off to grind at the facility. So in the time
between mini camp and training, camp Evan, the facilities and
some staff available to players or the doors locked.

Speaker 5 (15:18):
No, yeah, they can. They can work out here for sure,
and a lot of players often do. And with the rookies.
The rookies are actually still in a developmental camp type
of phase right now with the team. So I'm pretty
sure all the rookies are still here, not not just
Will Campbell, and they will continue to do work. Now

(15:40):
they won't there's restrictions in terms of coaching, like they
can't be on the field with Mike Rabel right now.
I don't believe, but it's a very it's similar to
like the very beginning of the OTA Yeah circuit.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
That's there's no on field work, right you had it? Absolutely? Yeah,
they can be here and it's time, you know, if
they and they're not pressured to be here. I think
this is probably an individual case by case basis, but
there's no on no matter what, there's no on field
work with the coaches. If they want to be out
there working out on their own, yeah, Will Campbell's like

(16:12):
banging a sled around or something like that, that's his prerogative,
I would imagine, But no actual practice time on the field,
no for any of the plays.

Speaker 5 (16:22):
No, but film room, weight room, all that stuff is
open and in fair game, you often see veteran players
that are rehabbing injuries will either be here all the
time or check in or whatever the case may be
as well. So there's rules about that too that if
you're coming off an injury and you need you know,
treatment and that sort of thing, then obviously you're permitted

(16:43):
to come to the facility as well. So no, it's
not like they put a big dead bolt on the
door and say nobody allowed in.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
So we're, you know, we're winding our way toward July.
So you know, once July starts, that means training camp
starts this month, you know, and we're just you know,
now what four and a half five weeks away, you know,
from the start of training camp. What give me your
the I'm gonna ask you two different questions. I want

(17:13):
to ask you what you feel the best about right now?
Position wise, position group, you know best best about the team,
And obviously the flip side of that, what do you
feel the worst.

Speaker 5 (17:23):
About I would say best right now, it's probably close
between the cornerback room and the defensive line. I think
both those units at least in terms of the starters.
You know, the frontline guys on both those units I
think is going to be really good for this team.
The duo of Gonzales and Carl Davis is as good

(17:45):
as they've had probably since what you know, maybe Stefan
Gilmour and whoever was opposite of him, you know, at
different times, maybe going all the way back to like
Revis and Browner, right like that. That kind of group
like that that good. So I'm very optimistic about that.
And you just talk about all the schematic things that

(18:07):
you can do when you have two lockdown corners and
how that freeze guys up in the box to blitz
and do different things and things like that is intriguing.
The worst about or just the most concerned the offensive line,
I still think is a big question mark with this team.
It's better on paper than it was last year, and
they certainly they've rebuilt it. You know, they have two

(18:29):
new tackles, they have a new starting center. They're going
to have someone at left guard that maybe wasn't here
or didn't start last year. So it's not the only
guy that's coming back that is guaranteed that starting spot
is on winning so it's not like they haven't done
work there. Yep, it's just unknown right now. You know
how good is Will Cambill gonna be? Is Morgan Moses
going to continue to age like fine wine or is

(18:50):
that going to finally catch up to him? Garrett Bradbury
had some concerns and some questions. You know, Minnesota cut him,
moves on from him. So I still think think it's better,
but it's not where it needs to be.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
Yeah, I mean I would totally agree with your concern.
I think it's got to be the offensive line. I
think if any real I agree with you. On paper,
they've improved it, but it's still a work in progress,
So that would be my number one concern. I like
the two that you chose for you, the things you
feel the best about. I'm going to go in a
little slightly different direction, and it's kind of a leap

(19:26):
of faith a little bit. But I really like the
idea because we didn't see it like actually play out.
But I like the idea of where Drake may looks
to be right now. Yeah, I think that there was
a comfort level that I didn't necessarily see really at
any time last year. Now that makes a lot of sense.

(19:46):
He was a rookie. Last year, he was behind an
established veteran in Jacoby Brisset, who was going to be
the starter. It's all different this time around. He still
has a veteran backup, but he's the clear cut starter,
and I think that he looks like that. Again, it's
not based on anything I saw from him physically. I
didn't see the offense look particularly good, really at all.

(20:09):
There was one day, I want to say, the first
day of mini camp that I actually wasn't there that
by all accounts you guys said the offense looked terrific.
There was one of the OTAs which I was at
all the OTAs, where he made a handful of really
really exceptional throws. But I wouldn't say necessarily the offense
was great on that particular day. He just was exceptional

(20:32):
three or four times. The one in particular that he
sort of slid around the pocket, moved up, climbed the
pocket and just threw an absolute dime. I think to
Booty was the one that really stood out to me.
I just feel like Drake May and Josh McDaniels looked
to be on the same page, and that's me has
me the most optimistic about what I've seen so far.

Speaker 5 (20:53):
And it's encouraging too. From just a little bit that
we've seen, a lot of it is going to be
recognizable in terms of the scheme of what they're doing
with Josh McDaniels. But I have seen some different things
that in the spring that are clearly catered to the
fact that he has a quarterback with a different skill
set now in Drake May. And you see a lot

(21:15):
more moving pockets, for instance, Like you're not running bootlegs
with Mac Jones and Tom Brady, like that's just not
going to be a big part of your offense, but
it might be a bigger part of the offense with
Drake May. So you see some of the adaptations or
just the shifts that they're doing schematically to fit with
Drake May. And I think that that was a question

(21:36):
when they hired McDaniels, was he going to be stubborn
and was he going to put Drake May in the
Brady system and make him into Tom Brady and force
him into that kind of scheme that doesn't amplify his
athleticism and his traits and all that kind of stuff.
And so far, I don't. I think it will probably
be eighty five percent of it. But there's going to

(21:56):
be a Drake May seasoning to this that is going
to exist, and I think that's encouraging some of the
things that they were doing and the red zone work,
especially towards the end of the spring. We're really encouraging,
you know, some of the shotgun stuff and maybe some
quarterback run and things like that. I mean, that's that's
what you got to do. Like that, that's the type

(22:18):
of player you have now back there. So overall, I
don't know how you can't be optimistic about the climb,
Like it started out a little bit rocky, and then
at every practice it just kind of felt like Drake
May looked a little bit more comfortable with every checkpoint
that we had along the spring, and so hopefully you
get into it in the summertime and that just continues.

(22:39):
I mean, it's not gonna be every day, it is
not going to be great, but hopefully it's a it's
a steady climb.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
And I was listening to one of our colleagues, Andrew
Callahan this morning locally here in Boston on the Sports Hub,
and you know, one of the things that he said
that I really agree with. In regards to Josh Is,
I think I have more confidence in him being able
to alleviate our biggest fear of the offensive line, because

(23:05):
he's not going to allow that to sort of derail
the whole offense. He's going to work around and scheme
around it quick, you know, quick throws, timing throws. Now,
it's going to be incumbent upon Drake May and the
receivers to make sure that they're able to operate like that,
because I do not have any illusions that it's going
to look like it did with Tom Brady, because I
think Tom Brady was exceptional at covering up for you know,

(23:28):
suspect offensive line play at times. I don't know if
Drake May will be able to do that, but I
do know that Josh McDaniels will read and recognize where
those issues are and work around them better, I think
than they did last year with Alex van Pelt, who
wanted to sort of be a little bit more deliberate
and take some shots, you know, some slower developing play action.

(23:50):
That's how they wanted to hit big plays last year.
They just didn't have the protection to do it.

Speaker 5 (23:55):
Yeah, they have. You know, there's a lot of different
things that you can do to help an offensive line,
but I think the most important thing you can really
cover up one week spot on the offensive line, like
if you have if you know that, let's just say
left guard because that's sort of the position right now
we're all talking about. If you know that left guard
is gonna be a little bit of a target for

(24:15):
defenses and a little bit of a weak spot for you. Like,
there's obviously a million things that you can do to
help out the left guard, you know, like you know,
putting him in the slide side of the center is
helping him on every single player that whatever the case
may be. So like you can do those types of things,
And I just think McDaniels has shown a really good
grasp of that of understanding protections and understanding where threats

(24:38):
are and where their weak spots are and how to
cover those things up. It's one of his better traits
that goes unnoticed because it's kind of in the weeds,
but it's something that I think he's really good at.
And Doug Maron being here as well is not lost
on me. That's a guy that's been coaching offensive line
for twenty twenty five years as an experienced coach. It's
it's not a first time offensive line coach like Scott

(25:00):
Peters was last year running the room for the very
first time. So last year you had a first time
full time play caller in Augs Van Pelt and a
first time head offensive line coach in Scott Peters. This
is the opposite of that. This is as much experience
as you could have in those two roles as probably
any team in the league. So that's encouraging if they

(25:22):
do have to work around it. And I go back
to that twenty one season with McDaniels, it wasn't like
they had prime Randy mausin Goronk at the skill positions,
and they were still above average offense for most of
the season.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
They worked around the limitations that they had. Yeah, and
there were limitations. Remember the rookie quarterback, obviously, and a
rookie quarterback who didn't have the athleticism that Drake May
has and certainly didn't have the arm strength that Drake
May has. So I'm excited. That's why, that's one of
the things that I think I'm most optimistic about. So
we gave you a couple of things on both sides

(25:54):
of the ledger. So I'm curious to what you guys think.
Give us a call again. H eight five five pats
five hundred. Uh, the emails are coming in a little bit,
Jackie and ann arbor Is. He's sad. He's sad that
there's no Fred. But don't worry about Evan. He's still
with us. I'm still gonna watch the show. Carry on.
So we do appreciate.

Speaker 5 (26:15):
Carry on or carry on.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
Oh that's a good point. Yeah, yeah, he might. He
might need to be a little bit more.

Speaker 5 (26:20):
Uh is it a carry on? A little bit more
more carrying on with the show?

Speaker 2 (26:27):
Uh? Yeah, I love the emails coming in. I'm gonna
have to have a I'm gonna pull a Fred here
and I'm gonna have to have a chance to read
him before I know, I get into all of them.
But yeah, it's nice. It's nice. The interaction on a
steamy Tuesday afternoon.

Speaker 5 (26:42):
Do you love it though? You love that it's one
hundred degrees out? You're not?

Speaker 2 (26:45):
Yeah, one hundred might be a little bit strong, But
I did you know last week we had the holiday
on Thursday and it was pretty hot that day. It
was in the nineties and we golfed. You know, I
played a quick eighteen. It was beautiful. I was not
complaining about it. Was the first time I golfed all
year with my nose wasn't running there you go, So
I took that as a plus. Now, what else wasn't

(27:07):
running was that the Birdie train was not running either.
I missed it, So that was that was tough.

Speaker 5 (27:13):
Our building has a pool, and they finally opened the
pool for the season because your lovely city of Everett,
Paul has been dragging their feet on the permit for
the pool, approving the usage of the pool because you
know red Tape and your hometown.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
There is a lot of hockey in that pool.

Speaker 5 (27:32):
It's just crazy. So they they finally opened the pool.
And when you open a pool at a at a
big apartment complex like this, it's just I mean, the
amount of people at the pool last last weekend was
just insane. I mean, you couldn't you couldn't get a
spot by the pool at all. But last Thursday we

(27:53):
were off because of Juneteenth, which a lot of people
asking why we didn't have a show last week, and
that that was why it was a Federal Hall day.
But it was great. We sat by by the pool
for a little bit. It's very nice. I suck it,
sucked it up for Jess for like a couple hours
in the heat, and it was cool.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
You got time for a game.

Speaker 5 (28:11):
Yeah, let's do it.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
We gotta, we gotta. Would you rather from Kyle in Pembroke,
Let's see, would you rather go tubing on a lake
or to a water park?

Speaker 5 (28:25):
I'm a lake guy. I grew up on lakes, so
tubing on a lake.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
I think I would go with the lake too. Yeah,
I can do whatever I want, Whereas the water park
you're stuck in lines. I like water parks. I like
water parks better than I like both of those. Yeah,
but I think I would go with the lake.

Speaker 5 (28:41):
Winnipesaki Action.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
Would you rather have burgers and hot dogs or sausages
in a pull pork sandwich? Had a cookout?

Speaker 5 (28:47):
Burgers and hot dogs?

Speaker 2 (28:48):
Me too.

Speaker 5 (28:48):
I feel like sausage in a pull pork is it's
a lot for a cookout. Like if you're at a
barbecue spot, then obviously that's different. But that if you're
at a cookout, you're socializing, you're drinking, you know, and
you don't need all that.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
So now, luckily, if you happen to be one of
the chosen fewd that's invited to TJ's graduation party over
the weekend, you get both because we will have both.
Watch Would you rather watch a movie on a projector
outside or have a fire.

Speaker 5 (29:15):
Oh hmm, that's a tough one. I'm gonna go. I'm
gonna go with movie. I Like, we were both movie guys,
so I'm gonna go movie.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
I would go, yeah, Jaws, but any other I'm not
like a huge like, Oh, let's let's get a fire,
go and sit outside the end, like, especially if it's
like a real fire, like I have a like one
of those fire pits that's gas. So you don't end
up stinking at the end of the night.

Speaker 5 (29:39):
Well, you get eaten by the mesquite but.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
You get a good fire. You know that someone starts
and then it's great to sit around, and then the
next day you're weak, you know. So that's used to do.

Speaker 5 (29:49):
That a lot in in high school, and we'd all
come out. My clothes would come home wreaking of the
of the fire, not of anything else, just to the fire. Yeah, sure,
And it was it was always a good cover up though,
for for what else?

Speaker 2 (30:01):
Kyle's got a couple more here travel Cape questions.

Speaker 7 (30:05):
These are some softball would you rather is?

Speaker 2 (30:06):
Oh my god, I like it? You know what? You
don't want them? No? No, no, go for it. I
mean they just travel to Cape Cod or to Maine. Yeah,
he's giving your things that he wants to do, not
you know, like would you rather?

Speaker 5 (30:18):
You know, I would say, I mean, you know, I'm
a vineyard guy, so I would probably guess I'd lean.
I lean towards the cave because it's it's the closest thing.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
Yeah, I would go Cape. I would go Cape as well.

Speaker 5 (30:33):
I'm not a huge Cape guy though.

Speaker 8 (30:36):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
And the last one is the age old question beach
or pool, So I'd probably say pool because I'm not.
Pool is definitely the answer.

Speaker 5 (30:47):
Sand is just not my best friend. But I would
love to be at a pool by a beach, so
that if I wanted to go down to the beach
for a little bit, you can. But I can't. I
can't sit on a beach for a long time, like
I just it does not for me too much.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
Sand. Yeah, I mean I I don't mind the beach
that much, but it's it's it's a lot. Yeah, it's
like you drag everything to the beach. You know, you
you get all the sand, you're dirty. You gotta get
a shower when you don't like the pool. Just like
you walk out, You're right there. You got everything you need,
you got your music, you got your food, you got

(31:22):
everything you need is right at the pool. And as
you know, fiftieth anniversary, you have no fear of get
eaten by a shark in my pool.

Speaker 5 (31:33):
Well we can surprise Deuce. I was gonna surprise both
of you. But apparently in Oak Bluff's right now, there
is a replica Orca at the dock that's sitting there
in for the fiftieth anniversary.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
So like, well, you know, Richard Dreyfs was at the
harbor of you yesterday right over the weekend. Maybe yeah, yeah,
So I'm gonna go big time.

Speaker 5 (31:53):
I take a picture on the orca for you guys.
And you know, I know I'm the biggest Jaws fan
in here, so that makes sense that it would be me.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
So I'm going to try to sort of weave in
and out of the nonsense. And Kyle, thanks for the
despite Alex's protest, that was good. That was good nonsense,
good summer fodder, you know, not like would you rather
you know, you know, eat a goat or you know whatever,
like good things. We want ice cream or fruit, you know,

(32:22):
like watermelon. You know that's good stuff. Good choices, No,
no wrong answers.

Speaker 5 (32:28):
There's a wrong answer to that.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
Well, we'll have some. We'll have some football as well.
And let's see it's Curtison, Curtis and Saint Louis. If
you were making the I'll direct this right at you,
even though he doesn't. Okay, if you were making the calls, Evan, Yes,
are there any free agents out there that or possible
trade that would make you that you would want to
make heading into training camp?

Speaker 5 (32:50):
That's a good question.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
He throws some names out there that I don't think
you'd be interested in at this point. Jude on Gilmour Clowney.

Speaker 5 (32:58):
No, I'm not too interested in the free age market.
Like I don't think anybody that really catches my eye
that's left that's going to move the needle. Terry Mccaorran
would be awesome. I think that one is maybe even
more far fetched. But like Terry Mccaorran, I would obviously
offer what you got to offer to get a player

(33:19):
like that. I do like the idea of somebody like
Trey Hendrickson, you know, but I think that it had
it have to you'd have to line up like a
two year deal with him and like a.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
Lot of moving parts. But yeah, I would definitely be
interested in something like.

Speaker 5 (33:33):
That, right because I do think that that's the one
spot on the edge that they could really use a
dude there, Like, they could really use a guy that
can draw some attention and they can win a one
on one and consistently, and he's a great player. So
I would probably say other than McLaurin, I probably say
Trey Hendrickson. But I don't know how that lines up,

(33:54):
Like I don't know how that lines up for both parties.
That he wants to be here, he's signing a contract here,
I don't know how that lies.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
He throws Zion Johnson out there as a potential trade guy.
I think he's going into the last year of his deal. Again,
a lot of moving parts with some of those things.
His second question, if you could add any ex Patriot
and insert them on this current roster, who would you add.
The only rule is it can't be Brady.

Speaker 5 (34:20):
Can't be Brady. We've answered this question before, and I
feel like my answer is the same. I would still
say Randy Moss, like I still feel.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
Like Moss is. It's a good answer to that question.

Speaker 5 (34:31):
I think it's between Gronk or Moss. And obviously Gronk
is Gronk and he's unreal, but you at least have
an NFL caliber tight end and Hunter Henry. Like Hunter
Henry is a good player. He's not Gronk, but he's
a good player. You don't have anything on this team
close to Randy Moss, So I would say Randy Moss

(34:51):
for that reason. It just balances everything out a little
bit nicely. Whereas with Gronk and Henry, now you're probably
your two most consistent pass catchers are both tight ends.

Speaker 8 (35:02):
You know.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
So Justin in New Hampshire is soft like you, Evan,
He says, maybe it's the New England or to me,
but I'd much rather be sitting in forty three degree
weather right now than this ninety degree heat. Yeah, I
disagree with you.

Speaker 5 (35:14):
Soft now. I'm soft like sixty five and sunny is
the sweet spot. That's the best weather right there, not
too hot, not too cold. That's ideal weather, but this
I don't mind summer when I just don't mind. I
mind extreme heat like today today is too much.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
So I guess this is something you brought up. This
is from Chad in La maybe something you and Alex
talked about on a recent edition of Catch twenty two. Yes,
because he directs it mostly to you, but hopefully it
invokes a longer discussion. On Catch twenty two, Evan't talked
about the right side of the offensive line being about
nine hundred pounds of human meat, which that can only

(35:53):
be a phrase that you would say.

Speaker 5 (35:54):
Yes, I mean it's just a bunch of hog.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
Or as the left side being both undetermined in lighter. Yeah,
My question is is the lights left side lighter for
mobility purposes and preparation for May's running ability? Will he
most likely run to the left? Any further reasoning and
discussion would be appreciated. I just off the top of
my head, I would say no, I don't necessarily think

(36:16):
that's anything that is intentional.

Speaker 5 (36:18):
Yeah, I would agree. I think that it's just the
way it kind of worked out. The players that are
available and the players that you get you can't It
would have been great if we could have stretched out
Will Campbell to have thirty four inch arms in an
eighty inch wing span, but he doesn't have that. So
this is the players that you're dealt with. But it
was just something that we were talking about on catch
because it's a combination of you know, Cam who's ever

(36:42):
next to Campbell, but also who's ever next to Bradbury
at left guard too, Bradbury being a smaller center as well,
and if you just look at measurables and things like that,
Cole Strange has always been a little bit more on
the lighter side for an interior player. He's a little
bit higher cut too, is not exactly a a cinder blocker,
like a low center gravity kind of guy. So if

(37:03):
you're gonna put him next to Campbell, I just watching
it out at training camera out at a spring practices,
like you could see the difference in like girth, like
with of the line on the right side versus the
left side. It was pretty obvious actually to the just
to the you know, the naked eye just seeing it,
and so I just wonder if that comes into play.

(37:25):
I'm not saying it's the end all be all, but
you know, Caden Walls is a little bit bigger of
a guy. You know, he's a little wider, he's a
little stockier. Jared Wilson's a little bit bigger, stockier as well.
You know, City So is certainly bigger. He's like six
four three twenty bigger guy. You know, Does that come
into play at all? That next to a guy that
has arm length, wingspan, question marks and a smaller center

(37:46):
in Bradbury? Do you want like a wide bodied left
guard that can take up some point?

Speaker 2 (37:52):
Make an argument both ways and I think you just did. Yeah,
what you know, the pros and cons. Again, I don't
necessarily think that. I mean, maybe I'm wrong, but I
don't think teams necessarily go about putting their lines together
with a size. I mean they might have a style
that they want. Yeah, And you know, like Bill Parcells.

(38:15):
When Bill Parcells first came to New England, they had
a former first round pick left tackle in Pat Harlow.
I think he played right tackle at the time, because
I think Armstrong was still here. He wasn't He was
a pretty good player. Pat Harlow was a pretty good
player for the Patriots. Wasn't Parcells kind of tackle a
little bit angular and not as broad. I think Bill

(38:38):
liked big road graders.

Speaker 8 (38:41):
You know.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
But yeah, and it wasn't his kind of guy that
I could understand. You know, if the coach has a
specific style, it wouldn't make any sense to me, like
he wants a specific style a big guy on one
side and a more athletic, smaller build on the other side.
That to me, I don't think would be by design.
It just kind of working out that way.

Speaker 5 (39:00):
Yeah, Like I don't know if it was by design,
but you know when they were humming in the heyday
that this the line was Jack Mason and Marcus Cannon
on one side and big guys Tuney and Soldier on
the other side who are more athletic, more you know,
of the slimmer type. So it's not something that's that
different from that sort of thing, I suppose, But Moses

(39:21):
on and on whenu are monsters like those, you know,
especially in terms of height Moses, but like both of
them are just a lot of weight and a lot
of sand on that right side, whereas the left side
just was smaller, noticeably smaller. So we'll see if that
as a factor, But it might help, especially on the inside,
if you had somebody next to Bradberry, like if you
had on Wenu and let's just say he earns it

(39:43):
in like city. So or your two starting guards on
either side of of Bradbury, like you have an anchor there,
Like you have some two guys that have some play
strength and some girth to them which might help.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
So I asked a little while ago for people to
start sending in. But they are excited about and what
they're concerned about, and this isn't necessarily related to that.
We have some emails coming in which I will read
in a little bit, but Pete and Seattle a little
bit of a different take on something that might be concerning.
He says, it's been a bit since we've talked about

(40:16):
win loss predictions. In May. I think it was natural
that most of the Boston media was hyper focused on
just the Patriots and their high off season grades when
those kinds of things were evaluated. Two thoughts come to mind.
Many other teams that the Patriots will play also received
very high off season grades, and he gives an example
of the Raiders. He also says that other teams faced

(40:37):
a slew of injuries last year that they may not
face this year, and one of the examples for that
is the Dolphins. So with that in mind, which of
the twenty twenty five MATCHUPSV do you think most fans
are underestimating due to the opponent's' results from last year
and or how good their off season was. Love the
work you guys do. Thanks for your dedication and the
passion you bring day to day.

Speaker 5 (40:59):
Thank you. That's a good question. I would agree with
him though, and in the broader picture as I think
about that that question, because this is what I've been saying,
Like the schedule looks what the schedule looks on paper today,
but who knows what the schedule is going to look
like in four or five months when the season starts.
Like some of these teams might end up being good

(41:20):
that we aren't expecting to be good. I don't know, Like,
is it possible that Aaron Rodgers finds a found of
youth in Pittsburgh and all of a sudden that September
game against Pittsburgh is a tough game, that's a really
good defense, it's a great pick. You know, Aaron Rodgers
is a player that night, I mean they was looked
like an MVP. Yeah, And if he has that kind

(41:41):
of game, then you're gonna look.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
If you had told me after that game, that Thursday
night game, that he was going to have the season
that he had, I wouldn't have bought it. No, And
he because he looked good that night when he was
on his spot.

Speaker 5 (41:52):
He can still throw it. He just doesn't move the
way that he used to move anymore. And he's I
would also say, a little bit a frame to get
hit at times in the pocket too, more than just
and that those two things stood out to me. But
watching him and when he sees man to man coverage
and he has a bucket to throw the you know,
to drop a ball into a bucket and a window,

(42:14):
like he can still do that at a very high level.
He just wasn't as mobile, and he wasn't as you know,
playmakery and gun slingery like we've seen in his MVP years,
But especially that early on in the season, before the
wear and tear starts to catch up to him. Like
there's a very good chance you might see a pretty
good version of Aaron Rodgers against you know, Pittsburgh that
early in the year.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
All right, so you know what's going to happen. Now,
it's been a while since I've had to man the phone.
Our buddy Nate and Connecticut, who's been a very regular
caller as of late, is going to be first up
on the Patriots unfilter hotline. What's up Nate?

Speaker 9 (42:49):
Hey, guys, can you guys hear me?

Speaker 10 (42:51):
Well today?

Speaker 2 (42:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (42:52):
Got it all right?

Speaker 9 (42:54):
So my first thoughts I have store of a prediction
slash hot stake. So I believe this offseason we are
going to be trading Kendrick Bourne the forty nine ers
for like a late round draft pick. I'm thinking fourth
or fifth, you know, coming off that ACL last year,
he hasn't really been himself and I'm really thinking that

(43:16):
we can get we can get something off of him.
And and I know, you guys in like the past shows,
I think I touched twenty two have listed born In
Booty as a trade candidate, and I would rather trade
Bourne over Booty because I know Booty has more potential
and Bourne is sort of like his career is maybe
fading off. I know he had plus on the McDaniel's

(43:38):
side of things, but I don't. I don't think he's
going to be a Patriot this year.

Speaker 5 (43:43):
Thank you guys, Thanks Sam.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
Yeah, I agree with I agree I think he could go.
I don't think he's getting a fourth or a fifth
round pick, no, no, but I agree with the premise
of me too. He's probably the.

Speaker 5 (43:53):
Preferred one to go, and it's no offense to Kendrick Bourne,
but he's on the other side of thirty at this point,
he's had the major injury. He's the more expensive player
just contractually do about seven and a half eight million
dollars of a cap hit this year compared to Booty
on a rookie contract sixth round pick. So in all ways,
it kind of feels like Booty's arrow is pointing this

(44:14):
way potentially, and Bourne's arrows point in the other direction.
But everybody else knows that too, So why why are
they get I don't know if you're getting a fourth
or fifth. I think maybe you get a sixth maybe.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
Yeah, I would say even that's optimistic. I would say
probably a seventh, but maybe a pick swap six seventh
kind of deal. Next TEAMO. It doesn't say he doesn't
leave his name, but wants to know about some udfas
anyone standing out to you. Ev He wants to know
specifically if we've seen anything from Josh Minkins he says
he's fourth on the depth chart. There is really no

(44:48):
depth chart yet, so I wouldn't necessarily.

Speaker 5 (44:50):
Yeah, so Mankins, I believe they're going to try him
out at corner. They're like, there's some rumors of him
maybe playing some more safety than corner in the NFL.
But I think that they're gonna keep him at corner
for the time being, just based off the spring. Maybe
maybe some slot, maybe some nickel corner in his future
as well. I didn't see him get a ton of

(45:11):
run with meaningful people around him, Like you know, there's
a lot more opportunity stuff during the spring, So I
don't know if he's necessarily in the cards yet. Obviously
we've talked a ton about e Fton Chisholm and lend Larrison,
like those are the two guys that are making the
most noise. But I would also say, like I still
feel like CJ. Dupree will have his say before we're

(45:32):
done here. He's a in line blocking tight end. That's
not going to be his time to shine in the spring,
like when we're in shorts and T shirts, it's not
gonna really be his his you know, setting to thrive
in So let's see when the pads come on if
Dupree can block his way onto the roster, which is

(45:53):
probably his best path. Other than that, I think the
only other guy that really is notable at this point
is Jack on the offensive lineman from Boston College who
can basically play anywhere on the line besides maybe center.
But he's a big Dude's like six seven three to forty.
Can play guard, can play tackle, can play muscle tight end,
jumbo tight end. So he's got a lot of versatility.

(46:15):
So he's an interesting player.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
Yeah, it's going to be interesting once the pads come on.
We'll see if you know, the Chisholms and the Larsons
can build off of whatever momentum they may or may
not have started to generate, you know, during the spring camps.
But yeah, there there, I mean there's a lot of them.
This I want to say, sixteen Is this sixteen udfas. Yeah,
I mean, like I was going to say, there's there's

(46:38):
more than two dozen when you combine the first year
of players, you know, guys like John Giles, my left
Battle those kinds of guys. Oh yeah, with the udfas.

Speaker 8 (46:45):
So.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
Long way of me saying they are going to be
one or two at least that make the roster, because
there's just sheer numbers. It would be hard not to.
I wanted this.

Speaker 5 (46:55):
There's a chance not to cut off. But there's a
chance that there's more twenty twenty five udfas on the
Patriots roster than twenty twenty four draft picks that that
there's a chance. I'm not saying it's no, I don't
and I don't think it's ridiculous, but like Drake May
is pretty much the only twenty twenty four draft pick
that's like one hundred percent going to be here, and.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
So you can make an argument for or against you know,
the Bakers and the Polks of the world, right for sure. Yeah.
I wanted to stick with the PU hotline though, and
go back to Connecticut to Colin. Colin, what do you
got today? Colin? See Colin? First one, the first one worked,

(47:38):
second one didn't. I'll go to Emory in Virginia, and
then if not, we we push away from the black.
There we go Emory. Thank you, my friend.

Speaker 5 (47:47):
Always rely on memory.

Speaker 8 (47:49):
I've got good out to me in gentlemen, Hey, is
this conversation. I'll just restricted to the OTAs and the
upcoming training camp.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
No, you could, We could go any direct you want.

Speaker 8 (48:01):
Okay, thank you, Hey, listen, I got a question at
least a comment about a guy, a foreign player here
and I've been on this thing here for for a
couple of months, A Sante Samuel.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
Yep.

Speaker 8 (48:18):
When I look at his overall numbers, they're very compatible
to Tie Law. I'm not saying he was better than
Tie Law, but I think he's in that conversation. When
I look eleven season, one hundred and fifty seven games,
fifty one interceptions, seven of them returned for touchdowns. During
the record season, he has the postseason record for four

(48:39):
touchdowns interception term for touchdowns and any Paul everything, you
guys ever, try to reach out to him and see
what's up, Any chance in him maybe coming back to
the New England area, because I enjoyed watching that guy.
And my last statement, I never I never heard anything

(49:00):
negative about him as far as getting arrested or anything
like that.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
No, but I don't think he was ever in any
trouble off the field.

Speaker 5 (49:08):
It just doesn't like Bill.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
Yeah. It was not a huge fan of Belichick, and
it stemmed from what I think he felt was maybe
some dishonesty from the coach to the player. I think
when his contract was up, and I think that you know,
it was I think as Santa Samuel felt like the
team was very much in favor of resigning him, and

(49:30):
it turned out that the coach was not necessarily in
favor of resigning him, and he ended up going elsewhere.
And you're right, he had a terrific career when he
left here. You know, he had some good years in Philly.
Good player. I mean, I think that ty Law was
a better player. But when you started talking to Emory,
I was thinking, you know, we never really even bring

(49:52):
him up for a possibility of Patriots Hall of Fame,
and maybe we should. Maybe he's a guy that we
should be discussing in those me you know, I for
obvious reasons we've talked about in many shows. He's got
no shot right now to get past the process. But yeah,
he's very good player for a lot of years, big

(50:12):
big time plays too in big games.

Speaker 5 (50:14):
Yeah, and a real turnover machine, like a guy that
picked off a lot of passes, like Emory said. And
I think the biggest thing, just from the relationship with
the organization is he's been very vocally anti Bill Belichick.
Oh yeah, on social media, you know. And I'm not
saying he's saying things that are like not any like
rocket shots at Bill are necessarily in terms of personal stuff,

(50:36):
but like just the coaching and like taking credit. I
remember he took credit for like changing how corners in
New England play to play off coverage more and the
different steps that they take to get more interceptions on
you know, just little things like that that he was
He's been very critical of Bill about in general, and
so it just that I don't know if that bridge

(50:59):
will be meant Now. We talked a little bit because
Emory called into Catch twenty two and asked about it too.
With Samuel, he did overlap with Rabel for quite a bit.
So maybe if they had any sort of relationship and
if that door were ever to be open again, maybe
it's it's Rabel bringing him back into sort of the family,
so to speak here in New England. But a really

(51:21):
good player. Now correct me if I'm wrong. But the
ball went through his hands in Super Bowl so forty nine, yeah,
or Super.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
Bowl No, the big super Bowl, yeah, forty two. It
was the big one, and I always felt like he
was given more blame for not making up the play
than he than he deserved. I don't think it was
a drop. I think the ball was high. Yeah, I

(51:49):
think he kind of missed time to jump a little
bit and was sort of on the way down when
the ball was coming through. But it wasn't like a
flat out drop. There's a that same drive. There's a
ball that hit Brandon mary Weather in the chest that
he didn't catch that no one ever brings up, but
on the scale does he doesn't go on Twitter and
make fun of Bill Belichick.

Speaker 5 (52:08):
So we know why on the scale of one to
Wes Welker's drop in the next Super Bowl, where it is.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
Where more I think, well, is more of an egregious
drop then then, And you know I've been very defensive
of Welker too. I didn't. I just never really saw
that play as well. That's a play that the defensive
back has got to make. I didn't feel like it
was that way. Now, maybe Christian Gonzales, with his you know,
child elite athleticism, Ty Lowell, I don't think. I don't

(52:37):
think you would have been able to get up that high. Yeah,
Christian Gonzalez has a size and the athleticism. I think
maybe to make the play. I just didn't look at
it as like this blown play by Sante Samuel like
everybody else did. But of course he left in free
agency shortly thereafter, and it becomes he cost us an
undefeated season. Yeah, you know, you know, you know me

(52:59):
well enough. Those those little things sort of annoy me
a little bit.

Speaker 5 (53:02):
So remind remind me again though, of like when in
the game, exactly was that?

Speaker 11 (53:07):
So?

Speaker 5 (53:07):
It was the it was right before the burst touchdown?

Speaker 12 (53:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (53:10):
Yeah, yeah, it was on the sideline. You know, you know,
he picks the pass off. The game's over, right, I mean,
it's simple as that. Yeah, Andrew is in Maine. He's
happy that we're holding down the Ford, but bummed that
we would choose the Cape over Maine. Both are great,
but if you guys are more Pool guys, then I
guess I get it. But he says he was torn

(53:31):
when the Patriots picked Henderson in the draft, thinking that
the talent of Burden was more of a need. Whoever,
I've come full circle on it and I am now
loving it. The guy seems to do everything well. On
that note, we are suddenly very deep at the position
with Stevenson, Henderson, Gibson, and Larison throwing Laryson onto the
depth chart. Now, while I love it, I'm wondering your

(53:52):
thoughts on us possibly trading Stevenson next season for solid value.
No disrespect to the guy at all. I love him,
but I believe he is one of our higher one
of the higher paid backs in the league now, and
he did have seven fumbles last year. Maybe give Henderson
this year to acclimate, but I'm seeing massive upside potential
for him, and while he's fresh and on a rookie deal,
we should consider it. I suspect of the four, Gibson

(54:13):
and Larison is more likely to Gibson or Larison is
more likely to go, but wanted to hear your thoughts.

Speaker 5 (54:18):
So I would be two things. One, I'd be wary
of expecting to get much back from Stevenson. He is
a running back that's now been paid well that typically
you just don't see less it's Christian McCaffrey, like, you're
not seeing teams giving up a ton of capital for

(54:39):
a player that's at that position that has been paid right,
I don't see that coming back. The other thing, Trayvon
Henderson at his best is not a full time lead
running back. He is a in a platoon, he's a spellback,
he's a sub package back, pass, game back, whatever you
want to call it. But I don't think that he's

(54:59):
really destined to be a guy that is Derrick Henry
where it's like all on his shoulders and he's out
there seventy eighty percent of the time. I think you're
going to run him into the ground doing that.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
He's not.

Speaker 5 (55:10):
He doesn't have the size, doesn't.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
I totally agree. I would say that I agree with
Andrew's premise that Stevenson could be, you know, sort of
nearing the end here, but not for the reasons that
he says, because I don't do I agree with you.
I don't think Henderson projects to be a bell cow.

Speaker 8 (55:29):
No.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
I did get a chance Humble Bragg to talk to
Mike Vrabel a couple of weeks ago, and I asked him,
you know, a question about the style preferred style of play.
You know, it's kind of a generic, open ended question,
but in my mind, I was thinking the way he
played in Tennessee, and he fed right into He goes, well,
we don't have a two hundred and fifty five pound

(55:51):
running back. It was his way of saying, like, no,
I had Dereck Henry, I had a special player at
that position, and we obviously leaned on him. We would have,
and silly not to. And He's right, I don't necessarily
expect them to just sit there and say, well, we're
gonna lean on mermondre Stevenson and we're gonna run the ball,
you know, forty times a game and try to win

(56:12):
that way. I would be surprised if they went about
it that way.

Speaker 5 (56:15):
Yeah, I wonder, you know, I'd be surprised if they
did that too. I don't think that's the plan that
I don't think it should be. But when it comes
to that other group of if we put Henderson in
there and Learson get gets a shout in there too,
you get Larson, Gibson, Henderson, to me, there's a lot
of overlap in terms of what those guys are bringing

(56:36):
to the table in terms of skill set. Do you
need all three of those guys on the roster? Like
even Henderson and Gibson to me feel a little bit redundant,
Like they're both really sub package pass game type of players,
you know, space players, speedbacks. I just I wonder how
that all sorts itself out, Because there's a world, in

(56:58):
my opinion, where it's not gonna be Henderson. You just
drafted him in the second round. He's gonna play. So
is Antonio Gibson. What's his role where his snap's available
to him? Is he here just in case of an emergency?
If one of those guys get hurt, then he gets
his opportunity right, and then he's just kind of sitting
around the rest of the time on the sideline, Like,
I just I don't know if Larison continues to do

(57:21):
what he did in the spring when the pads come
on in the summertime, and Antonio Gibson's a pretty expensive
emergency back, Like, I don't know if you need to
keep all of that here. So maybe it ends up
being Gibson. That's the odd man now, because if Henderson's
as good as we think he's going to be, then
he's gonna be better at pretty much everything than Gibson.
So like, where's Gibson? That's the factoring in. That's the hope.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
Yeah, that's the hope is that you know, I keep
saying the same way, the players you're bringing in are
better than the players they're replacing, and that's how you rebuild.
That's the only way really to do it. Dan is
in Virginia via Michigan. He's I'm trying to come out
he's using his creative juices, because you know how when
Mike and I do our shows together, it's Pp and

(58:05):
the Deuce, of course, So it's time to come up
with a name for Paul and Evan's show. With Evan's
laser light focus on game details and Paul's rep for
pointing out virtually anything negative that could possibly come up
in any situation, could you, guys be the light in
the dark or with the occasionally snarky nature of both
of you, not to mention your respective hair colors, Paul's

(58:26):
love of music, Could Salt and Pepper be a better fit?
I kind of like that.

Speaker 5 (58:30):
I do like that.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
I like salt and pepper. I do that. Oh, he
writes pepper, so he doesn't know it's pepper.

Speaker 5 (58:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
In terms of things that we're excited or concerned about,
one question I have is regarding the coach's perspective for
this season. Do you think they're taking a bottom line
approach and only looking at wins and losses or are
they taking a more nuanced approach like the PU Crew,
where it's more of a matter of whether they're seeing improvement.
If it's the latter, what criteria do you think they're
looking at. Aside from vabel statement about being good enough

(58:58):
to take advantage of bad football.

Speaker 5 (59:01):
Well, I think that is the bottom line. I think
that's where he's at right now. I don't think that
they're ever going to put wins lost totals out there,
and I don't think Mike rabl is gonna come out
ever and say I expect us to win ten games
this year like that. There's just no reason to do that.
But in terms of where the baseline is, yeah, I
think that they feel like every year in this league

(59:25):
there's a million coin flip games every single week where
a team that just makes a couple of less mistakes
than the other team is the one that ends up
winning the game. If you can do that more often
this year, and you don't have losses like you did
last year, like I always to me, the one that
always stands out is the one in Tennessee, Like that
was such a winnable game in Tennessee that you just

(59:47):
really cost yourself a win down there. If you can
win that type of game this year, and that's progress.
And if you don't just do it once, you got
to do it multiple times. But if you are winning
those types of games, that's going to get you to
seven or eight wins and then we'll see where the
cards lie in terms of the other games. But that
to me is the baseline. Like, if you can beat

(01:00:07):
those types of teams and you can come out of
playing mistake free football and better, you know, cleaner football
than these other teams that are worse than you, then
you're in good shape.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
So in order to do that, they're going to obviously
have to play better defense. You know, I'm thinking of
that Tennessee game that you bring up, And do you
remember how the overtime, the first first possession in overtime,
Tennessee got the ball and they you know, no one
talks about that that drive the way they do the
Jacksonville drive that happened in London, But it was virtually
the same thing. And there's find up and ran the

(01:00:38):
ball like a hundred times in a row.

Speaker 5 (01:00:39):
The opening drive of the game too, they did the
same thing right down the field.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
Jeremy is a little concerned you know, with all the
improvement they made on defense, he's a little worried about
Terrell Williams, you know, and his his presence. Do you
think that they've missed him and what will they you know,
what will they do if he's not able to come
back as has they have they been handicapped at all
by his absence?

Speaker 5 (01:01:00):
I don't know if they've been handicapped in in May
and June. I think that would be a little strong
to say that this is starting to affect them already.
But I definitely feel as though they have enough continuity
with the staff, meaning guys that were with Rabel and
Tennessee and understand how he wants to run the defense
and how Terrell Williams wants to run the defense that
you can install a defense because they have enough guys

(01:01:24):
that have already been in the defense. But in terms
of the other stuff, yeah, it's obviously concern once we
get in season. You know, play calling is a big one.
It would be probably Zach Kerr that would be the
true de facto defensive coordinator calling plays. It was their
game planning good enough? Is there really with a guy
like Terrell Williams? Is their motivation factor good enough. I

(01:01:45):
think that's what he's been most known for, is like
a rally the troops, raw rock kind of coach. Do
they still have that kind of energy and do they
still play with that kind of fire in that buzz
on game day. That's what he's been known for, is
getting that out of players.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
Hopefully they'll be able to have all of that in play.
But I agree with you. I think it's it's Zach
Core and he's the guy that's been sort of the
interim in Terrell Williams. They've made a big deal out
of this, the players, the coaches, and Williams himself has
been very actively involved from a communications standpoint. They've been
in communication every day. I don't think it has handicapped

(01:02:23):
anything as of yet. Not an ideal situation if it
lasts into the season, for sure, I totally understand where
the concern would be there. Speaking of concerns, Patrick in
Ottawa is right along our lines, the offensive line, you know,
is this really what we're gonna go with? I usually
worry about injury and whatnot, but I think if we

(01:02:45):
get one or two guys goes down, we're in a
lot of trouble. Any additions that they might be able
to make. Yeah, talked a little bit about that earlier.

Speaker 5 (01:02:53):
It's obviously fair. I mean you went into the off
season with major holes at really both tackle spots and
then obviously the hole that was created at center with
David Andrews being released and then retiring. So we've talked
about this. It's gonna take a couple of years to
build out the depth of the entire roster. Like right now,
I feel much better about where they're all twenty two

(01:03:16):
is on. You know, if they're starting eleven on both
sides of the ball, I feel like has improved. But
they've sunk all their resources into getting the starters improved.
So that doesn't necessarily mean that the second, the second
stringers and the third stringers are going to be improved
because all your top resources are going to Will Campbell
and you know, just to Fawon Diggs and to Milton

(01:03:37):
Williams and those that top of the roster type of guys.
So it's gonna be tough, Like if they if Will
Campbell knock on Wood, If Will Campbell gets hurt, it's
Vederian Lowe is probably back into the starting lineup. If
Morgan Moses gets hurt, then it's cut Caden Wallace or
Trey Jacobs or whatever. So you're probably right back to
where you were.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
Absolutely last year. That's why it's our biggest concern. What
about halfway? We're moving all right here.

Speaker 5 (01:04:01):
Right, thanks Salt and Pepper.

Speaker 8 (01:04:03):
Is that right?

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
We're going Fred? Who is just Mike? What?

Speaker 5 (01:04:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
You know, Mike's a defense guy.

Speaker 5 (01:04:09):
You know, I don't know if he only likes hockey.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
And in defense. And it's ironic because he played no defense.
When he played defenseman in hockey, he was more of
an offensive special. What I hear is like it was
like a Mason Lori minus forty three.

Speaker 5 (01:04:24):
Yeah, yeah, that sounds right.

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Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
What's up, everybody? Welcome to p you Extra teasepound here
with Chris Cassidy. Yeah we got that right there. Guys,
if your emails don't get right on the show, send
the podcast at Patriots dot com. And we're reading right here,
So Chris, let's get into it. Got some Christian La
love and hate. I don't know, I haven't clicked in yet,
but Christian in La. Bill from Norfolk what's worse than
listening to Christian try and talk about football, to try

(01:07:08):
and talk about his personal life. I try to tuote
him out because I started, I started to cringe at
the sound of his voice. My theory as to why
you guys keep it allying him on is because he
fills that Eric's size void in your heart. Someone who
sounds pretentious that we all love to hate. Go Pat's
undefeated season covered with chishom winning Rookie of the Year.
Oh listen, well there's a lot of takecare.

Speaker 7 (01:07:27):
Yeah, what a subtle little plunge of Chisholm.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
Christian from LA. We don't hate you here because we
don't know. Yeah, listen occasionally, but not enough.

Speaker 7 (01:07:36):
This is definitely a safe space. People need to stop
stop with the Christian from LA.

Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
Christians, send your rebuttal here and we'll read it live.
But Chris, all right, so we got that Christian LA.
I think we'll get back to him.

Speaker 14 (01:07:48):
We do.

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
We do, miss scal by the way scowls before your time.
But we'll talk about I mean, guys, he's got that juice.

Speaker 7 (01:07:55):
He's sounded pretty good camp so far, I mean, I think.

Speaker 1 (01:07:58):
But remember it's June.

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
It is June.

Speaker 7 (01:08:00):
Yeah, it's early. I mean mini camps just wrapped up.

Speaker 10 (01:08:02):
Obviously, he was here all OTAs Between him and Lan Larson,
I've really been truly like the main guys who's had
a lot of focus from from coaches and you know,
I think, I mean, from my point of view, I
think they've shown a lot of improvement over their time
being here so far as on drafted free agents. But uh,
you know, I think Chismus has some some promise.

Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
You know, New England we love our underdog story wide
receiver and he is He's showing all those trades right now,
so people are keep grasping at things from the past.
But I mean, we'll hopefully he can work out for
the next six weeks and carry this over to July.

Speaker 10 (01:08:40):
What's cool about these guys too, is like I mean,
they know what's on the line, you know what I mean.
It's like you kind of get brought of the situation. Okay,
I wasn't drafted, but I'm being put in this premier
organization and I have to showcase, like you know, they're
trying to make it, make a stance and we kind
of come up a little bit here in the division.
The league you know, you gotta show that you can

(01:09:01):
do it as well.

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
And I want to play for I will say we
went out to some of the practices at night and
day difference at least just for it looks just more
controlled and organized. Everybody kind of knows what they're doing.
So I'm excited for this, this training.

Speaker 7 (01:09:16):
Camp coming, It'll be cool, It'll be cool.

Speaker 1 (01:09:18):
All Right. We got some over unders from spiing Fresno
ready games with the same starting O line five and
a half.

Speaker 7 (01:09:25):
I'm gonna go over.

Speaker 1 (01:09:26):
Yeah, I think so too.

Speaker 7 (01:09:27):
I'm gonna go over this year.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
Yeah, barring barring, I think I.

Speaker 10 (01:09:31):
Think center is the number one area that could have movement,
not not guard left guard.

Speaker 7 (01:09:38):
I do. I do believe center will be the focus
this year.

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
All Right, Drake May passing touchdowns nineteen and a half,
I'm gonna go I'm gonna go over. I like I'm
being optimistic. I think you need to go over.

Speaker 7 (01:09:50):
I'm gonna say over, But like nineteen kind of sounds.

Speaker 14 (01:09:53):
Like a pushya Okay, I don't know why, but it's
a pretty good number passing league. I'm gonna say I
think he'll get twenty two, you know, at this one
Patriots rushing touchdowns fifteen and a half.

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
I think the passing is gonna be higher because I
think fifteen and a half is it's gonna be. I
think it might be under.

Speaker 7 (01:10:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:10):
I think it's gonna be a lot of rollouts with
little like five yard yeah, screen touchdowns.

Speaker 7 (01:10:14):
Yeah, you can also.

Speaker 10 (01:10:15):
I mean, I say I'm curious in corporation of Drake
runs because they take that in the factor, especially inside
the five for the zone fake or bootleg or something
like kind of you have the ability with drip options now, yeah,
you have options now yeah, and again if you if
you keep speed on that running back.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
I'm saying I'm saying under because the passing attacks so good.

Speaker 7 (01:10:35):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
Yeah, all right. Secondary secondary is league wide ranking seven
and seventh.

Speaker 7 (01:10:41):
League wide ranking seventh. I'm gonna go I'm gonna go
over this.

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
Year over so being they're gonna be ranked higher.

Speaker 7 (01:10:48):
I think they're gonna be ranked higher. Yeah, I think
they could be top five this year.

Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
No fly zone yeah, yeah, Okay, we're on that feather
ruffling postgame pressers by Rabel one and a half. I hope,
I hope it's undertaking. I hope it's under because that
means we've we've had a good season.

Speaker 10 (01:11:03):
Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna just safely say under on
that one.

Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
Number of moderate or worse scandal to hit the program
this year one and a half under under Yeah, and
scandal start start week one.

Speaker 7 (01:11:16):
It's always gonna be good.

Speaker 8 (01:11:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:18):
Eric Scalvino incognito appearances at home games zero point five
obviously because he hates football. I'm under the mindset like
love scal. Shout out scal if you still listen. I
don't think he's watched a single snap of Patriots football
willingly since he left. So yeah, I wish I got
to know him. No, he was these great him, one
of a kind. All right, let's wrap it up with

(01:11:40):
one more real quick more Christian from La Logan from
Myrtle Beach. Christian from La gets so much hate it's wild. Yeah,
he said a d bag comment once in a while,
But if he got it like that, I'm more interested
to know what he does for a living and how
he could get it. On question for the crew, who
do y'all think will be the sleeper defensive player to
make the team have an actual role on defense. I
feel like we're pretty deep across the board accept at linebacker.

(01:12:01):
I could see a dB or pass rusher stepping up
having an unexpected impact for the team this year.

Speaker 10 (01:12:08):
I'm gonna go with from the D line from North Carolina.
I think he's a big body, you kind of fill
the inside. He's an animal. I like Javari Ritzy a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:12:18):
I think one of the dB sneaks in. Yeah, and like,
you know, more special team stuff like that, because like
we the starters are elite, but one of the defensive
backs I think.

Speaker 10 (01:12:26):
I mean Javari Ritzy being a un drafted rook Yeah,
I think, you know, I think he's a lot.

Speaker 7 (01:12:30):
I think he's a really big chance of meeting the team.

Speaker 1 (01:12:32):
Yeah, all right, Chris, that was a good one, right there, Guys,
once again, send you emails a podcast at Patriots dot com.
If it doesn't get around the show, we'll read it here.
Let's get back to it, and now great moments in history.
I'm going to push back here on everybody. What does
everybody have against Robbie Anderson.

Speaker 2 (01:12:52):
He's never made an important catch in his.

Speaker 6 (01:12:53):
Career, like against us, he's done well. When oh I
remember a game and a bellow, don't maybe go on
my phone. Go deuce, you have a computer there. You
want to know the answer that he's a thoroughly average player.

Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
Who, yeah, is he's.

Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
Like a David Gibbons type, isn't he?

Speaker 2 (01:13:10):
Yeah? I have no interest in David Gibbons right now?

Speaker 6 (01:13:12):
Okay, all right, right now. But they need a number
one receiver. David Gibbons isn't there, and I don't think
Robbie Anderson is either. No.

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
No, But that's why I'm not interested.

Speaker 1 (01:13:23):
They had though he's not going to get number one money.

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
Of course it is, you think, so that's what he makes.
Why do you think he's on the block. Okay, so
you guys want to hear about a thanks for the sign?
Oh oh yeah, please do? Because I have the prolific career.
There was one reasonably good game.

Speaker 3 (01:13:37):
There was one reasonly the game where he was targeted
twelve times and had four catches for seventies.

Speaker 2 (01:13:43):
That is the apex.

Speaker 3 (01:13:44):
Right here we go, two for thirty four, none for none,
one for two, three for twenty four, three for eleven,
one for ten, and one for two.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
He is zero to nine career against the Patriots. Man
he's had.

Speaker 1 (01:13:57):
Maybe I'm thinking of Wayne Krebet. That's another great moment.

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
See Alex took care of me. Have you noticed lately,
like the the great moments in PU history of really
not allowed me to necessarily shine. Some of my more
ridiculous arguments have been focused on lately.

Speaker 5 (01:14:21):
That was a good one.

Speaker 7 (01:14:21):
That was one.

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
I was like Robbie Anderson, Fred, why are you in
love with Robbie Anderson? He's had big games against the Patriots,
went two for twelve one zero, And I like Mike
reason zero fiz zero none for none.

Speaker 9 (01:14:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:14:33):
I definitely remember we were talking about Stefan Gilmour earlier.
I definitely remember Stefan gilmore someone asked him before a
Jets game. I believe it was about Robbie Anderson and
he did not have too many concerns about going up
against Robbie Anderson. Is like, well, he's fast. He was

(01:14:54):
trying to find something to say nice about him, and
he just couldn't.

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
I remember, similar to that, I used to do like
a little matchup of the week, and I would try
to get you know, like the defensive backs against the
good receiver or whatever. And I remember it was the
year after Antonio Brown left Pittsburgh and it was Juju
was like the.

Speaker 5 (01:15:15):
Guy, Oh, it's jac Jackson, right, And it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:18):
Wasn't just him. It was even guys like Devin mccordy,
who were normally like pretty you know, conservative in their comments.
They didn't necessarily say anything bad. It was more what
they didn't say. It was Gilmore and mccordy and I
was writing this matchup up and I was like, you know,
and they're like, you know, Antonio Brown's a different animal.

(01:15:41):
You know, it was all about Antonio Brown and how
great he was. But by omission they were telling you
this ain't Antonio Brown, this is nothing to worry And
like Gilmore, you know, very quietly as you can remember
the way he used to just whisper it like yeah,
he won't do anything against me, like something like that.
And I was like, oh, I guess I'll leave that party.

Speaker 5 (01:16:01):
Yeah, they remember.

Speaker 12 (01:16:03):
J C.

Speaker 5 (01:16:04):
Jackson similarly, was talking about Juju and somebody at the
time Juju was having a really good year. Is that
second season where he had that big production production season,
And someone asked J. C. Jackson if he thought Juju
was a top ten receiver in the NFL. And I
just remember j C. Jackson like looking bewildered and being

(01:16:24):
like top Juju, like in the top ten. Yeah, they
did not think very highly of Juju, which maybe we
should have known that that signing wasn't going to work out,
but yeah it was. It was funny whenever.

Speaker 2 (01:16:37):
I got a couple of quick you know, would you
rather games? And I think these guys now are starting
to take it a little bit more of the way
Alex likes. So, Alex, I'm just looking for juice. Alic
took his ball and went home, you know. So let's
see who is this? This is from David. Would you
rather put a toothpick under your toenail and kick a wall? What?

(01:16:58):
Or be a beat writer for the Cleveland Browns until
the day you die?

Speaker 5 (01:17:01):
A beat writer for the Cleveland Browns?

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
Out?

Speaker 5 (01:17:03):
Why would I want to hurt myself?

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
I would largely agree with that. The next one is
be addicted to heroin Jesus awfully harsh. We'll live the
rest of your life without being able to see, all right,
I'd lose my sight?

Speaker 5 (01:17:17):
Yeah, add hero.

Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
Let's see chug chug a full glass of water the
players soak in after a game was stared directly into
the sun for one whole minute.

Speaker 5 (01:17:32):
I'm probably staring into the sun. I'll be fine, me too, Yeah,
it'll be fine.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
Uh, this is out there, Yeah, this is this is
this is what happens when you go up to Maine.
What are we doing? Live in antarctica for the rest
of your life. We'll go to the rest of your
life eating only pickles.

Speaker 5 (01:17:53):
In Antarctica. I can eat whatever I want in antarctica.
There's no restrictions.

Speaker 2 (01:17:57):
Yeah, I think I would take Antarctica. Yeah, not ideal,
but you know, pickles. I mean, I like pickles, but
I'm not a pickles I get awfully sick of them
in a in a hurry.

Speaker 1 (01:18:07):
No, I think those were trying too hard. Those are
trying a bit too hard.

Speaker 5 (01:18:09):
Yeah, the drug one, here's one.

Speaker 2 (01:18:13):
Let's see if this one can get it just right then,
because this is oh yeah, this is this is Kyle,
I think with a response to Alex, who thought he
was he was given us softballs, So he says, Gonza
may get injured for the year in camp. What would
you rather?

Speaker 5 (01:18:32):
I mean, why come on, I guess I got to say,
because doctor Korak, like, what are we doing?

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
Oh, here's an interesting one for you. The Patriots only
win two games or the Celtics only win thirty games.
I would take the Celtics only winn thirty because Jason
Tatum's hurt. I would say, you get your you built
an excuse. Oh man, I'm gonna say the Patriots only

(01:19:01):
winning too, because this is my.

Speaker 5 (01:19:04):
Job, Like I'm covering here anyway. Yeah, I'm covering them
whether they win two games or twelve games. That the
Celtics is like what gives me life? So I would
say that I need the Celtics to be good more right, And.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
He says the Bruins, Bruins or Patriots never make it
back to the playoffs for the rest of the decade.

Speaker 5 (01:19:24):
I'm bruined. Sorry to my fiance.

Speaker 2 (01:19:26):
But me too. And obviously Alex says, thanks for reading.
It's all in jest. Yes, So Alex gets his way.
He gets a couple of disgusting Would you rather.

Speaker 1 (01:19:41):
Like the disgusting ones? That's trying way too hard? Those
are the sports ones. Those are pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:19:46):
So let's go back to the PU hotline and checking
out with our good buddy Sean and Vancouver Sean. What's up.

Speaker 11 (01:19:53):
Congratulations to Drake and and Michael May on their recent
marriage at Honeyboot. I like this because it shows.

Speaker 5 (01:20:03):
Should should that it's okay, but.

Speaker 11 (01:20:06):
You know, it's it's It's just what I like about
it is it's it's between camps, right, so you're not
inter interrupting the any kind of uh Patriots stuff with life,
big life moments like you you're like you're planning that.

Speaker 5 (01:20:22):
Yeah, I don't know about that though.

Speaker 2 (01:20:23):
A prior regime cost Jared Stone an opportunity to compete
for a job, and I think he just went to
a wedding. I don't even think it was his wedding.

Speaker 5 (01:20:32):
No, I think I guess it.

Speaker 11 (01:20:34):
Was like when they were off what like now it's
it's it's between camps like you.

Speaker 2 (01:20:41):
Yeah, statement did it in the off season too.

Speaker 11 (01:20:44):
Oh my gosh, that's crazy. Yeah, it's built tough, so so.
But I also wanted to say, like here in Northwest,
you might like it in the summer because like the
high today is seventy two, very nice, so it might
be nice to weather for you to come to the
next year.

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
Is it just is it just right, Sean, It's just perfect.

Speaker 5 (01:21:04):
I've heard I've heard a lot of great things about Vancouver.

Speaker 2 (01:21:07):
Moderate, not too hot, not too cold, Oh that's good.
I'm happy for you. I'm happy for you.

Speaker 5 (01:21:14):
I would I would like to visit Vancouver, not even kidding,
but it's it's so far. But like, I've heard great
things about Vancous.

Speaker 2 (01:21:20):
I've never been there, and I have heard people talk
about how nice it is. You know, Seattle's beautiful.

Speaker 11 (01:21:26):
It's like a six hour flight.

Speaker 2 (01:21:28):
I always think it's you know, Seattle's got to be
pretty close, right, I mean not close proximity, but like weatherwise,
climate and all that, and yeah in Seattle. Seattle's beautiful.

Speaker 5 (01:21:37):
And Seattle's still I keep track of all the because
I'm I'm spoiled and I get to go to a
lot of NFL stadiums. Seattle's still not still never been.

Speaker 2 (01:21:46):
You haven't checked that one out. It's a good place.

Speaker 5 (01:21:48):
I went to San Francisco for the first time last year,
but not Seattle.

Speaker 2 (01:21:52):
Sean, what worries you most about the Patriots heading into camp?

Speaker 11 (01:21:56):
Like most people that it's the offensive line.

Speaker 2 (01:21:59):
Yeah, but I think that's the answer.

Speaker 11 (01:22:00):
That was the biggest problem last year. So they have improved,
but it's very uh kind of temperamental.

Speaker 2 (01:22:08):
Yeah, yeah, no, I think that's the answer. Thanks Sean.
You know, make sure stay stay comfortable, stay comfortable out there.
I don't want you to get overheated or anything. Uh,
Noah in Toronto. I bet you. Noah likes it when
he gets warm. He's he's in Toronto, so it's hockey
season the whole year. Noah, what's up?

Speaker 12 (01:22:27):
Hey?

Speaker 15 (01:22:27):
Uh? I think it's I don't know, something that bothers me,
but it's probably not a big a deal. But I
just am frustrated that they haven't addressed left guard better.
I feel like they hit so much gap space in
the offseason and they still have like about forty million
ax effective gap space, and like Steven now, they're still
guys that are like grated for adult vers there, and

(01:22:49):
I just I'm kind of tired of going into the
season with like a glaring hole at one of the
offensive line spots. And I don't get by eight.

Speaker 6 (01:22:59):
I don't know.

Speaker 15 (01:23:00):
I guess they're comfortable with Spree and you know, whoever
else is battling it out, but I don't really that's
comfortable with them anyways. That's just what they want to
get off my chest. And then the other thing, I
was wondering if I've been really watching the two thousand
and three season, and I'm wondering if you guys had
sort of Matrio it's unfiltered or whatever a fish club

(01:23:21):
then available for they scanned and yeah, I'll take it
off the air.

Speaker 2 (01:23:29):
Yeah, I had some issues with the phone then.

Speaker 5 (01:23:32):
Yes, I think he asked it was asking if we
have he rewatched trying to rewatch the games. I mean
a lot of them are on YouTube, just like obviously
does we have them, But I don't think that that's
for public consumption.

Speaker 2 (01:23:45):
But Deuce like just goes on YouTube to watch the
whole eighty five season.

Speaker 5 (01:23:49):
Yeah, a lot of it's on YouTube, if that's what
you're looking for. But yeah, that was the thing about
Left Guard, Like I I'm with him, but I also
just to just to be fair, I see what they
might have been thinking too, which is, hey, we we've
drafted a lot of guards in the last couple of years,

(01:24:13):
Laden Robinson City, sow Cole Strange. Maybe you think Kiden
Wallace is really naturally a guard with relatively high jaking
and mix, Like you would think that one of those
four or five guys is going to work out and
so to then go out and pay another offensive lineman

(01:24:35):
a veteran salary. I agree it was a spot that
they probably could have gotten a Morgan Moses of left
guards and just set it and forget it type of player.
But I also understand, Hey, we we feel pretty high
about Laden Robinson.

Speaker 2 (01:24:49):
What's the guy's name. I want to say he went
to maybe I'm thinking of a center. He went from
Indie to Minnesota, which made Berry Ryan Kelly center. Okay,
that's not the guy I was thinking of. I think
I think there was with the Patriots really interested in him.
I don't think I thought there was a guard that's

(01:25:10):
highly regarded, that got good money and free agency the
Patriots were interested in. Oh now I can't remember it.

Speaker 5 (01:25:16):
Yeah, I mean so that So that was the other
thing about the guard spot too, is that and not
that this is the Ben end All be all, But
a lot of the free agents were right guards, career
right guards, So like you could have signed Brandon Sheriff
and moved him from right guard to left guard, and
he's a good NFL player, so he probably would have

(01:25:36):
survived and it probably would have been fine. But other
than Tony, there really wasn't a guy that was like, Okay,
this is a true left guard. That's a really good
player that's available.

Speaker 2 (01:25:48):
That's a second guest. Wasn't a huge uh you know
package for the trade that Chicago they wanted to pay,
you know, they agreed to pay.

Speaker 5 (01:25:57):
Yeah, that's just that's the one.

Speaker 2 (01:25:58):
You had the money. As Sean point it out.

Speaker 5 (01:26:00):
Yeah, James Daniels moved from Pittsburgh to Miami free agency.
He's a you know, guy that's played a little center,
a little bit of guard, that probably could have played
left guard, but he's coming off an injury. I get it.
I think that that's if we look back on the
off season, there's probably gonna be two second guesses. One
is going to be that receiver trade like a DK
Metcalf deal that they didn't do, and the other is

(01:26:22):
probably going to be not again the more who is
the Morgan Moses of left guards? Just a veteran that
for one year is going to come in and make
sure that spot is taken care of and as you
develop some of these other guys behind them, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:26:35):
I mean absolutely fair. Second guess is we'll see Cole Strange.
I think this is a crossroads year obviously, and we'll
see if his athleticism wins out or if he just
doesn't have it. Yeah, you know from a health standpoint,
Especially Nick in New York is the next to chime
in with his his worries a little bit of a
different concern here. He's wondering if any of us has

(01:26:58):
any problems about Milton Williams run defense.

Speaker 5 (01:27:03):
So I can't lie and I don't want to change
now that he's a Patriot and they made the move.
I had pointed out when they made the move right
around there that he has never been the guy on
the defensive line. You know, he's played on a stacked
defensive line in Philadelphia. He's been a i'd say part

(01:27:24):
time is probably a little strong. He's been a rotational
player on that defensive line. He's certainly favored more playing
the pass and being in on obvious pass like third
downs and things like that. So when he plays more,
does his production follow, like does the efficiency continue when
he plays more snaps? So that now he's just even

(01:27:47):
more productive than he was in Philadelphia in a bigger
role or was he that type of guy that was
really built to be in a bigger rotation and playing
maybe being Robin to Jalen Carter's batman. I mean, that's
my concern that that's a legitimate concern. It is, and
we'll see if he ends up playing that. Now for
the Patriots, maybe they think that even if they have

(01:28:10):
two Robins and Christian Barmore and Milton Williams, two Robins
equals a batman, so like they'll play off of each
other and they'll be okay, just you know, having each
other there. But it's a fair point. Milton Williams. In general,
I think there's there's not zero risk with that signing.

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
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Speaker 5 (01:28:31):
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I wanted to talk a little bit about I want
to transition a little bit and get to the quarter

(01:29:14):
century team. Very controversial right at the right at the top.
And this is something I think was a it was
a combo platter here from ESPN and PFF. Correct guys, right,
all your guys, the Aaron shatz is of the world.
Well he is, he is in here, Okay, So then
that's yeah, Shats has some of these right. Oh geez,

(01:29:38):
looks like Shats wrote a lot of these.

Speaker 14 (01:29:40):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:29:41):
Well, he's Seth Walder.

Speaker 5 (01:29:43):
Seth is an analytics guy.

Speaker 2 (01:29:45):
Yeah, so a lot of different guys like that that
are involved.

Speaker 5 (01:29:49):
Seth very excited about the Patriots rebuilding their analytics department. Oh,
very excited about it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:54):
Absolutely they should be. Yeah, they should be. So a
couple of stipulations they had for this team, and this
is just what it sounds like. It's a quarter century.
We're twenty twenty five, so it's the best players in
the league. He says. Players are still eligible if they
began their careers in the nineties, but only production beginning
with the two thousand season was considered. Decisions were made

(01:30:18):
mostly on statistical outputs, so this is perfect for Evan
focusing on peak seasons while still rewarding longevity. We relied
heavily on ftns d Y, a ar metric defense adjusted
yards above replacement. This is right up your round. So
this is right now you're saying, oh, just keep it coming.

Speaker 5 (01:30:39):
This is This is basically if you're a baseball fan,
this is war but football.

Speaker 2 (01:30:43):
Style even less relevant, which calculates a player's value over
the course of the season compared to a replacement level baseline.
Other advanced statistics were also taken into account. This team
includes twenty five offensive players, twenty three defensive players, and
five special teams play with. For another wrinkle, we filled
out a full practice squad with the players who just

(01:31:04):
missed the cut and listed them in their respected position groups.
Blah blah blah blah blah. Okay, So, without further ado,
I'm gonna get right to it. I'm gonna go position
by position. I'll read you the guys. You tell me
if you have you know any any thoughts or problems.
Quarterback really controversial Tom Brady. I don't see it. I

(01:31:26):
don't see it. Dog, Peyton Manning, Patrick Mahomes. Those are
your three quarterbacks.

Speaker 5 (01:31:30):
Sounds about right.

Speaker 2 (01:31:31):
Okay, practice squad, Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees.

Speaker 5 (01:31:36):
Pretty good practice squad.

Speaker 2 (01:31:38):
I don't have any issues with that. That would have
been the way I did it too. I would have
given him Mahomes the nod over Aaron Rodgers were winning.

Speaker 5 (01:31:45):
Yeah, I probably agree with that. Here's where it gets
me too, But I respect the numbers. I mean you,
of all people, he's a.

Speaker 2 (01:31:59):
I think you know, well, I don't have to trash
a guy after his career, but I think he never
won an important game like he really they lost so
many home playoff games and games that they were like, yeah,
substantial favorite the probably. I think they were very lucky
to get to the super Bowl the year they won it.
The guys that are Brett far he Brett farved him

(01:32:20):
to the super.

Speaker 5 (01:32:21):
Bowl atte Farv or like Big Ben. Like you can
say the same thing about those Steelers teams as the
Saints that they were kind of underperformers in a lot
of ways too, So I get it.

Speaker 2 (01:32:30):
So running backs, they also picked three. I didn't like
these priest Holmes. Yeah, I thought was a controversial pick,
although a terrific player.

Speaker 5 (01:32:38):
Great, great peak.

Speaker 2 (01:32:39):
Yeah, Christian McCaffrey and Derrick Henry.

Speaker 5 (01:32:43):
Yeah, I didn't care for this list.

Speaker 2 (01:32:45):
Okay, the practice squad is Ladanian Tomlinson.

Speaker 5 (01:32:49):
I don't know how he's on the practice squad.

Speaker 2 (01:32:50):
I'd have Ladanian Tomlinson over any of these three. Yeah,
not just one of them, any of the three.

Speaker 5 (01:32:56):
Yeah, I don't get that.

Speaker 2 (01:32:58):
I'm going to leave the glasses on definitely.

Speaker 9 (01:33:00):
Uh So.

Speaker 2 (01:33:02):
What do you think I mean? I don't I'm not
reading all of the explanations, but basically, the all all
of the rundowns are all just about the stats. Yeah,
like it's telling you King Henry gives the team Paula
Rusher stats, a style aside as production earns him the spot.
It's all about yards per carry. And you know he
was four point nine, Adrian Peterson's four to six and
LT was four to three. Like, so that's what you're

(01:33:26):
you're basing this on, is like, you know, a half
a yard per carry. So like I thought, out of
a I did take a quick glance at the list
and a little bit prepared here. This was the running
backs was the one that I had the most issues
with Priest Holmes. Good player, really good player. La Danian
Thomas and and Adrian Peterson are the two best running
backs I've ever seen. I agree. I told you I

(01:33:48):
would have had Tomlinson over any of these three guys.

Speaker 5 (01:33:51):
Yeah, so I think LT was the more well rounded player, obviously,
but just in terms of pure ball carrying, I don't
think there's anybody better than Adrian Peterson in my generation,
you know, like my you know, post two thousand, let's
call it. Adrian Peterson was in the league of his
own in terms of just purely tote in the rock,
and I don't know how you could have anybody ahead

(01:34:13):
of him.

Speaker 2 (01:34:14):
They basically punted on the fullback spots. It's Kylie Houstitch
And they didn't even have a practice squad. Oh, they
just they said that his nine Pro Bowl selections are
four more than Patrick Ricard and five more than Lorenzo O'Neil. Okay, well,
Lorenzo neil was a great player, But that's all I needed,
was like the amount of Pro Bowls, No, no one else.
I assume Mike Alstott was like two problem much ninety

(01:34:36):
probably to nineties centric yep, wide receivers.

Speaker 5 (01:34:40):
They didn't like this one either.

Speaker 2 (01:34:42):
How to argue with the first two though, Randy Moss,
Calvin Johnson, yep, Julio Jones, Terrell Owens I have a
little bit of a problem.

Speaker 5 (01:34:52):
With it's a lot of that's a lot of nineteen
nineties doing some work.

Speaker 2 (01:34:56):
Marvin Harrison also a little bit nineties heavy, justin Jeff Everson,
no issue there. Uh, Antonio Brown and Andre Johnson the
practice squad guys.

Speaker 5 (01:35:05):
So I think Antonio Brown's got to be higher on
this list. Personally, I would have him over Marvin Harrison.
I'd probably have him at least over Marvin Harrison. But
Antonio Brown to me, because if you're if you're weighing
peak as a big part of this, that Antonio Brown

(01:35:26):
was the twenty ten's run by Antonio Brown is insane.
Six years. I think it was six straight. Yeah, like
just like led the league one hundred ten seasons, yeah,
one thousand, you know, like everything. It's not like one
hundred catches for like, you know, eleven hundred yards. He
was like, you know, one hundred catches for like fifteen hundred.
He had one of the most productive runs of anybody
in that that four or five year period in Pittsburgh.

Speaker 2 (01:35:47):
So we'll move on to tight ends. Gronk obviously is
the number one guy, Travis Kelcey and Tony Gonzalez or
the other two in the practice squad is Antonio Gates. Yeah,
that's a pretty good practice squad.

Speaker 5 (01:36:03):
Yeah, that's a pretty good practice squad. That's a pretty
good list. I think those three, those four really I am.

Speaker 2 (01:36:08):
A little bit partial to the Gates, but I have
no problem with the way that they did this. And
we'll I'm going to close out the offense and then
we'll take a little bit of a break. The left
tackles Joe Thomas and Trent Williams. No arguments with Walter Jones,
and we use the Jordan Mylotta because it's the international

(01:36:30):
player pathway and that gives you seventeen guys in your
practice such they cheated, Yeah, so I'd have to go
back and look. But like Jonathan Ogden, like was all
his damage done in the nineties, because Walter Jones was
you know kind of yeah, like it looks at that
way in Orlando pace, right, Like Jordan Mylotta was better

(01:36:51):
than those two guys.

Speaker 5 (01:36:52):
Jormat has had a nice run here, but I don't
think that there's enough, Like I feel like there's probably better.
Now I agree with the top like Joe Joe Thomas
and Trent Williams are the two best left tackles of
the last.

Speaker 2 (01:37:04):
Williams is maybe the best offensive lineman. Yeah, I would
probably have period, I'd probably have Tyron Smith ahead of Peak,
you know, like Peak Tyron Smith, you know, had trouble
staying healthy. Man like Fred Fred's like all excited love
that guy.

Speaker 8 (01:37:20):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:37:20):
The guards were Alan Fanica and Steve Hutchinson again no
no practice squad. In the center is Jason Kelsey.

Speaker 5 (01:37:30):
Yeah that's probably fair, you know guard. I mean obviously
I think Zach Martin's on there for left guard or
right guard right.

Speaker 2 (01:37:38):
Guard Zach Zach Martin and Marshall Yonda with Jarry Evans.
So the only guy that I.

Speaker 5 (01:37:43):
Would say that maybe is missing from the guards is
Quentin Nelson, who has been day Quinton freaking awesome for
like ten years. Like, you know, he's a really good player.
But a lot of Fanica fans.

Speaker 2 (01:37:58):
The right tackles were Lange Johnson and Willie Anderson. Again
no more so nowhere practice squad.

Speaker 5 (01:38:06):
They're at right tackle in my opinion, if you're gonna
have my Lotta as an honorable mention at left tackle,
how is Penny Sewell not in the conversation at right tackle?
Like Penny Sewell has been doing it for just as
long at this point as my Lotta has and is
easily the best right tackle in football at this point.

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So I would have put Penny Sewell on that list
at right tackle, But I Lane Johnson's been the best.

Speaker 2 (01:38:32):
So that's the offense. I'm gonna go back to some
emails because I want to, unlike Fred, I like to
reward the people who take the time, especially when they
suck up to us, which is what George is doing.
George and Pennsylvania just wanted to send out an email
saying I love watching the show. Fred and Paul are hilarious.
I love watching Catch twenty two with Evan and Alex.
Thank you keep up the great work and love the content. Guys.

(01:38:55):
I have two questions. The first one is he's from Pennsylvania.
He will be visiting jill At State next month for
training camp. Wondering if players are going to visit fans
to maybe meet and greet and sign some merch that's
a guarantee. Every day of training camp. It's after practice
you can get emails from it's kind of catches catch

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can every day, but there's usually one position group that
will sign specifically for fans also, so that can change
varies from day to day, but you will be able
to get autographs. I would say any training camp practice day.

Speaker 5 (01:39:31):
So actually a few weeks ago was that with my
parents and my mom or my dad and know who
found it, pulled out a photo of me as a
child at Patriots training camp and when the players are signing.
And the one that I remember because my sister got

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an autograph from Brady at one of the training camps
and I think she fainted like she was legitimately fainting.
But the one, the picture that they took that they
showed me happened to be one head coach Mike Rabel
in his playing days and little me just like with
a big smile on his face.

Speaker 2 (01:40:10):
You have a picture of that, Yeah, you should. You
should print that out and you should show that.

Speaker 5 (01:40:15):
To him and he we still have the his autograph
too when when he signed and everything, I have totally
forgot about it. I knew we had the Jersey sign.

Speaker 2 (01:40:23):
But I to I know there was a there was
pictures we used to have, you know, a day they
would have a practice, you know, specifically for the employees, right,
you know, it's kind of like the employee day that
they have now, but the practice would sort of be
more geared in the stadium as part of the program.
And we were sitting in the front row, and you know,
I got my My boys were really young then, and uh,

(01:40:44):
Matt light grabbed my son out of my arms and
just had him like on the fields, just holding on
to him, and like that was one of those kind
of deals. Now he's a junior in college. Yeah, because I'm.

Speaker 5 (01:40:56):
Old, don't cry. It's okay.

Speaker 2 (01:40:59):
So let's see his second question. This is the other
part of the reason why I read this of it's
because it's for us. It's more of a grab bag.
Sure Celtics related question. Hope this is a short answer,
so you guys don't get drilled for taking the Celtics
for too long. How do you guys feel about the
Drew Holiday trade. I'm a little sad to see him go,
but I am excited for the future with Simons and

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whoever the Celtics get in draft picks thoughts.

Speaker 5 (01:41:23):
I was very excited about the trade. Now, maybe my
no preconceived notion of what they were going to be
able to get was skewed by a lot of the
coverage of the Celtics offseason, but I trust people that
know more about it than me, and all the conversation
about it was Paul that they were gonna basically have
to salary dumb Christaph Porzingis and Drew Holidays. So the

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fact that they got Anthony Simon's back for him, and
they actually got an asset and somebody that's averaged twenty
points a game and clearly can create his own shot
and is a really good offensive player and got to
work on his defense, but someone that can get buckets.
It's like that guy is a really good offensive player.
The fact that they got that in return for Drew
Holiday actually was last night. I saw that right before

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we went to bed, and I was pumped. I was like, yes, like,
this is much better than just we just had to
get rid of this guy and we're salary dumping Drew Holiday.
So I was extremely excited that they were able to
get Simon's back in return, and I would like to
see him stay. I just think for what they're going
to be next year, like, just let that guy go,
go get his like, go average twenty a game and

(01:42:28):
go take a bunch of shots. Like they need the offense,
they need the firepower without Tatum.

Speaker 2 (01:42:32):
So I thought it was a good return for an
aging player. You got ninety years of experience. He's only
twenty six and Drew was thirty five, so clearly nearing
the end. I thought it was a great return. I
don't know what the plan is, but I think it
was a good, good value asset. And you know what,

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if you're going to include him in part of the
next trade, that's going to enhance that package that you're
going to be able to get back. So I like
the move in as much as I like Holiday. We
all know what the situation is.

Speaker 5 (01:43:05):
Significantly better player than I thought they would get back.

Speaker 2 (01:43:07):
Yeah, I agree. One of the things we were talking
about earlier of regrets, you know, things that we're worried
about the offensive line. Might there have been a guard
that they could have got Patrick McCarry that brought up,
and uh, yeah, I do think that he has some
versatility to play a number of different spots on the line.

(01:43:29):
Hasn't really been, in my view, sort of a front
line starting guy, but he's always been capable of starting
for the Ravens, and I think he's a guy would
have made some sense. Yeah, sixth Man, you brought that
into that thanks to you.

Speaker 5 (01:43:43):
Yeah, he's got it, the sixth man. That was what
he's been, you know, fill in a little bit at tackle,
fill in a little bit at guard when he's needed to.
But is there a chance that he's a starting caliber
player and another team? Yeah, I mean that was that
was definitely one of those guys that that was who
you were thinking of. I think when you said that
earlier the shows.

Speaker 2 (01:44:00):
Yeah, you notice that Justin in Virginia. I want to
make sure, unlike Fred, I don't want to wait till
one fifty eight to get back to the hotline. So
Justin in Virginia is next?

Speaker 16 (01:44:11):
What's going on? Fellas? I was kind of listening to
you guys while I was old, speaking of the thing
you said where like you like put your son or
Matt like like your.

Speaker 2 (01:44:22):
Son out of his arms.

Speaker 16 (01:44:24):
The first time I ever called in it was you, Andy,
Eric and Fred when I was thirteen years old. I
am twenty eight now, and I'm about to be twenty
nine in September.

Speaker 2 (01:44:36):
Yeah, well I'm fifty seven, So what are you gonna do?

Speaker 16 (01:44:38):
Yeah, you're still Yeah. The question I have, young guys
is like when it comes to Shamar's Stewart on the Bengals, Like,
is it any more complex than just like the Bengals
are just kind of like cheap like this historically been,
and like the Cardinals are cheap like that.

Speaker 11 (01:44:55):
Like what's kind.

Speaker 8 (01:44:57):
Of going on there?

Speaker 2 (01:44:58):
You know, because it's like, I think it can be
as simple as that.

Speaker 5 (01:45:02):
Yeah, they're trying to uh break precedent from what I
understand of the guaranteed money that every first round picks
contract is fully guaranteed per the CBA, and they're trying
to break precedent with that.

Speaker 2 (01:45:16):
And well I think it's when they get the guarantee
and then you know, the injuries and all that stuff. Yeah,
I think it's kind I think Justin's got it. I
think I think the Bengals are just being.

Speaker 16 (01:45:24):
Cheap, all right, you got to take care.

Speaker 2 (01:45:28):
Yeah, that's justin the whole.

Speaker 5 (01:45:30):
Draft pick wage skill thing is is interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:45:33):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:45:33):
Travon Henderson, like you mentioned at the top of the show,
is the one pick that's unsigned, and all this this
stuff is is UH is historical precedent. And the Texans
gave Jayden Higgins a fully guaranteed contract as a second
round pick. He was the thirty fourth overall pick.

Speaker 2 (01:45:49):
UH.

Speaker 5 (01:45:49):
And now there's thirty second round picks that still haven't
signed their contracts across the league. So it's not just
Travon Henderson because of that, it's because of Jaden Higgins.
It's not his fault, but because the Texans gave him
a fully guaranteed contracts. So now all the second round
picks want a fully guaranteed contract, and so the Texans

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in a lot of ways kind of.

Speaker 2 (01:46:11):
Screw the rest. How do you feel about that? Just
you know, from the outside, Like, I.

Speaker 5 (01:46:18):
I don't know, I always am I'm typically pro player
with these.

Speaker 2 (01:46:22):
I'm almost always pro player, but this one I can
understand the team side.

Speaker 5 (01:46:26):
Yeah, I mean these draft picks are really especially outside
the first round or it's kind of a lottery ticket
whether or not you really work out. And so to
be stuck on you know, with four years of team control.

Speaker 2 (01:46:38):
It's not a tremendous amount of money, but like, how
would you feel right now? If you were the Patriots
with Jalen Polk right right, you know the guarantee. I know,
again it's not going to make or break your cap situation,
but I understand if they don't want to. I don't
think there's sure things. And then even second rounders aren't
sure things.

Speaker 5 (01:46:58):
No, And it's a sliding scale. So if everybody that
was drafted in the thirties gets a guaranteed contract, like
when does that stop? Like at what number draft slot
does it stop? And now we go to partially and
then it just can is a can to pick.

Speaker 2 (01:47:12):
The entire draft. If you get drafted, you're guaranteed a
you know, guaranteed contract, right. I mean, I don't know,
it's tough. I do think that the wage scale has
been highly successful in eliminating what was really a problem
agreed in terms of a the astronomical salaries that the
rookies were getting and b the amount of holdouts and

(01:47:35):
problems that you had and you know, lost time that
you can never get back on. Benjamin Watson, Yeah, was
part of that, you know, once upon a time. Uh here, Mark,
and Connecticut is next up on the PU hotline.

Speaker 17 (01:47:48):
Mark, Hey, Paul, good to hear you running.

Speaker 2 (01:47:51):
The show, brother, Yeah, I'm doing my best.

Speaker 8 (01:47:55):
Evan.

Speaker 17 (01:47:55):
You actually took the question right out of my mouth.
What I was wondering is what is the deal with
Trayvon Henderson?

Speaker 16 (01:48:02):
Why he's the only one that is not signed?

Speaker 4 (01:48:05):
Now?

Speaker 17 (01:48:05):
I know first round picks are guaranteed, but is that
really the only hold up now with the second rounders?
Now is that you can get guaranteed money?

Speaker 5 (01:48:15):
Yeah, So it's it's a combination of guaranteed money and
then as Paul said, like payout right scheduling of when
the money you actually are going to get the money.
You're going to get the money upfront or is it
going to get paid out over the course of the
season in like a pro rated amount. So like you
have to decide those types of things. Those are the
negotiation powers you have. But I will say, even though.

Speaker 17 (01:48:36):
Anyone where you picked though, Evan, is that like the
amount that like is allocated for is what I would say,
am I you know?

Speaker 5 (01:48:44):
So what I would say is the total value of
the contract is set right, That's that's a sign based
off your draft slot type of thing. But yep, the
structure of the contract and of the payment schedule is
a negotiated element. You can negotiate those types of things.
So obviously the player is going to want as much

(01:49:06):
guaranteed money up front and the team is going to
want to pay it for their security over the life
of the contract. And so when exactly that player gets
those checks is what gets negotiated this time of year. Now,
like I said, just now, thirty out of the thirty
two second round picks still have not signed a contract.

(01:49:27):
So this is not just Traveon Henderson. This is a
league wide hold up right now on second round picks. Absolutely,
So it is not in that sense like it's not
Trayvon Henderson's playing hardball, it's all of them are playing hardball.

Speaker 2 (01:49:41):
Thanks Mark, Let's see dear pp Laser. Oh, so evidently
that is the name of the show. He's a little behind.
Heard us talking about cookout versus barbecue. Interesting fact, when
he moved to Savannah from New Hampshire, he had a
barbecue at his place and people were really disappointed, but
because it was just hot dogs and birders. If you

(01:50:03):
say you're having a barbecue in the South, it implies
that there's going to be porks such as ribs and
so on. And then then they say, if you don't
have that, it's just a cookout. And I learned that
the hard way.

Speaker 5 (01:50:14):
That that's I love that distinction. I think that is
a great way of putting it. Now, we don't really
do that as much up here, I would say, but
there's a difference between like a traditional Fourth of July
cookout and like we're smoking. We got the smoker out
and we got the ribs going and all that kind
of stuff. It's two very different types of food. So
I'm with the people in the South.

Speaker 7 (01:50:34):
On this one.

Speaker 5 (01:50:35):
I like the distinction cookout barbecue.

Speaker 2 (01:50:38):
Austin in Oklahoma has been hearing me, in particular, talk
about just how athletic Gonzales is and how ridiculously easy
he makes catching the ball look he wants kind of
not seriously, you know, making him the x.

Speaker 16 (01:50:56):
I.

Speaker 2 (01:50:57):
He's not really being serious and no, now defense I brought.

Speaker 5 (01:51:01):
This up before and people are like, it's not the same.
Obviously it's not the same. I've seen him do it
in practice, just like when the dbs are like kind
of going through the motions with they'll have like the
defensive back be the receiver for his teammate and it's
not serious it's not a receiver drill. No one's saying that.
But I've seen Gonzo do some do some fun things

(01:51:22):
with one handed catches and stuff like that, and those
types of drills, and he definitely has a natural ability
to catch a football. There's no doubt about that. I
don't know if you can run routes, but you can
definitely do that.

Speaker 2 (01:51:34):
Let's see John's concern. John in Georgia, he's concerned about
Drake May's jump from year one. Have you seen him
nearly devoting himself? Have you seen him devoting himself to
get ready for year two, working out more, adding muscle,
hangout with teammates outside of Foxborough. My memory says other
quarterbacks in the league have done that, and it gets

(01:51:56):
talked about, but evidence so far doesn't really support that.
Should I be worried?

Speaker 5 (01:52:01):
Oh no, I mean Drake May has been here the
entire spring.

Speaker 2 (01:52:06):
He was really here.

Speaker 5 (01:52:08):
I I you know, we had heard that he was
here even in like going all the way back to February,
you know, right after the his his season ended, and
then you know, took a little bit of a break,
but then came right back. So I think Drake May's
doing what Drake May is supposed to be doing, and
like Seana Vancouver, say congratulations to him on getting married.
It's a very smart time to get married. Shohn's right

(01:52:28):
about that, because then like even your anniversary falls, you know,
in a dead time of the NFL calendar, you might know. Yeah,
I might know a thing or two about that, So
that that's smart. Not unlike you, though, Paul, because you
got married.

Speaker 2 (01:52:41):
I got married in the middle of the playoffs. Yeah,
Frits still watching the games. Yeah, Patriots were not in
said playoffs. However, it was two thousand and two. The
Patriots did not make.

Speaker 5 (01:52:50):
The play Okay, all right, we got lucky there.

Speaker 2 (01:52:52):
It's two thousand and two season. I got married in
January of two thousand and three. Yeah, let's see. Oh,
that's not night Boston cream. That's not nice. Let's be honest.
Is Fred not there today because he's finally getting gastric
bypass surgery. That's that's just that's just poor to me.

(01:53:13):
Dang shots fire, let's see. Oh Claire, Hello Claire chimes
in from high to Ppe and easy and hello marine.

Speaker 13 (01:53:25):
Hello Claire.

Speaker 2 (01:53:27):
Let me make you grown and ask about the tight ends.
What's your super early guess on how many tight ends
they go with including the practice squad. Yeah, it's a
good question.

Speaker 5 (01:53:37):
It's an interesting one. We talked a little bit about
it on Catch twenty two last week about do they
carry three traditional tight ends on the roster? Do they
carry two in a full back? Do they carry three
in a full back? Do they need to carry that
third tight end if they're going to carry brock Lampy
or carry a full back. I'm right now at two
in a full back because I don't feel though Bell

(01:54:01):
west Over the pre g Scott, I don't know if
those guys have earned it yet to I think they're
gonna have to really, like outright earn a roster spot
to be carried as a third tight end, and then
you have that practice squad flexibility. So my guess is,
right now, you have two tight ends on the fifty
three plus the full back, and then you have two
of those guys signed back with the practice squad, And

(01:54:22):
if there's injuries or there's game plans that you want
to have two tights and you call guys up and
things like that.

Speaker 2 (01:54:27):
So I'm gonna let Joe and Vermont have the last
word for the emails because I do want to get
to the defense. Oh yeah, real quick before we wrap
it up. He thinks the intro to Joker in the
Thief would be an awesome walkout song.

Speaker 5 (01:54:39):
It's a good song.

Speaker 2 (01:54:40):
And he was at the game against the Ravens when
Edelman threw the TD pass. Sure, so he wants to
know who in the team not named Drake May would
be most expected to throw a touchdown pass.

Speaker 5 (01:54:50):
Oh, that's a good question. I've seen Kendrick Burn do it.
So maybe Kendrick Bourne. I believe you threw a pass
in twenty twenty one, if I'm not mistaken. So maybe
Kendrick Borne.

Speaker 2 (01:55:00):
I think you're right about that. Yeah, Hunter, Henry, Hunter, Henry.
That's outside the box, sneaky athletic.

Speaker 5 (01:55:08):
Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 15 (01:55:09):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:55:10):
Okay, So defensively on this ESPN PFF quarter century team,
DeMarcus Ware and Jared Allen along with Miles Garrett and
Julius Peppers.

Speaker 5 (01:55:23):
Okay, so those are ends, like do they have no?

Speaker 2 (01:55:26):
These are edge these are edge rushers?

Speaker 5 (01:55:28):
Okay, So like no, Von Miller didn't get a no.

Speaker 2 (01:55:30):
So the practice squad is t J. Watt and Michael Strahan. Huh,
I would make the argument absolutely for von Miller, that
von Miller belongs.

Speaker 5 (01:55:40):
Yeah here.

Speaker 2 (01:55:41):
Now, I think Jared Allen would be the first one
that I would look at because I think Pepper's, Garrett
and Ware. Yeah, they're all better players than von Miller,
better career.

Speaker 5 (01:55:51):
I wasn't a big Maybe I just didn't see enough
of him where he played. But I wasn't a big
Jared Allen guy.

Speaker 2 (01:55:56):
And I know he's been. He's in the Hall of Fame,
I know, and I'm not either. Maybe maybe we both
missed the boat on that.

Speaker 5 (01:56:01):
Yeah, but like von Miller, to me, like twenty fifteen
playoff run for von Miller, he was like basically had
like a quarterback like impact on the game.

Speaker 2 (01:56:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:56:10):
With the Broncos.

Speaker 2 (01:56:11):
Yeah, and I you know they have TJ. Watt and
Michael Strahan as the practice squad. Again, von Miller to
me better than both.

Speaker 5 (01:56:19):
But Dwight Freeneye, no love Dwight Freanie, Yeah, good player.

Speaker 2 (01:56:24):
Defensive tackles Aaron Donald, Kaleis Campbell, Chris Jones, hard to argue.
I don't think. I don't think any of us has
any argument there. Practice squad is Kevin Williams and Cameron Hayward.
Here's where I have an issue.

Speaker 5 (01:56:38):
Cam Hayward fan.

Speaker 2 (01:56:41):
Better than Richard Seymour.

Speaker 5 (01:56:44):
That's fair, that's fair.

Speaker 2 (01:56:46):
I don't want to go all you know, happy Homer
on you, but Richard Seymour is in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 5 (01:56:51):
No, yeah, yeah, Williams probably probably better than Williams.

Speaker 2 (01:56:56):
So I had an issue with that one nose tackle
Vince will Ford, big Vince. So I think that he definitely,
you know, the only one they have listed. They don't
even have a practice squad. It's Casey Hampton. I think
he benefits. Like to me, Kevin Williams is more of that. Yeah,
they had Pat Williams and Kevin Williams there for those years.

(01:57:17):
Is the two defensive tackles in Minnesota. This is kind
of interesting. This is one of those it's cheap, way
out versatile defensive lineman JJ Watt and I heard by
Buddy Andy talking about this yesterday.

Speaker 5 (01:57:30):
It's an edge guy.

Speaker 2 (01:57:33):
I have no problem with that because he belongs on
the team somewhere. But couldn't you just put him on
a position.

Speaker 5 (01:57:38):
Like did we really need to have Jared Allen? I'm sorry,
I don't need to be keep picking on Jared Allen.

Speaker 2 (01:57:42):
Maybe we missed it. I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:57:44):
Yeah, maybe I gotta go to NFL Films and watch it.

Speaker 2 (01:57:46):
So I have some problems with the linebackers too. They
picked five starts off. Okay, ray Lewis, have no issue there.
Bobby Wagner, I'm probably okay with that one too. Needs
to do a little more research. Brian or Lacker Levante,
David Luke Keikley. So Luke Keikley I have is better

(01:58:08):
than both those guys, David and I don't think David
is as good as another buck. Derek Brooks, who was
listed as a practice squad guy. Now I'd have to
go back and look specifically the years, but I mean
he was a huge part of the O two Super
Bowl team, so he had to have a lot of
success in the Yeah, I would think maybe too much

(01:58:28):
of his.

Speaker 5 (01:58:29):
In THETS late nineties. Derek Brooks to me, good player,
really good.

Speaker 2 (01:58:36):
He's the second best player on this list behind ray Lewis.

Speaker 5 (01:58:38):
I know he didn't have the full Keikley retired pretty early,
but I would say Keithley's probably up there for me
other than ray Lewis.

Speaker 2 (01:58:48):
Cornerbacks Drell Reeves and champ Bailey along with Rondez Barber
and Richard Sherman.

Speaker 5 (01:58:55):
So I have an issue with Sherman.

Speaker 2 (01:58:56):
Oh, I'm sorry, and Patrick Peterson, I'm not.

Speaker 5 (01:58:59):
I'm not a in the Sherman. You know, dude, do
your Seattle three corner on your own time, you know, Like,
I give me somebody that that actually shadowed guys. And
I'm not a big Richard Sherman guy, but fine. I
mean champ Bailey to.

Speaker 2 (01:59:12):
Me, is who's our buddy in in Virginia? Emery Emory
Emory in Virginia. I think he had This is where
you have a beef. Where's the Sante Samuel? Like the
practice squad is Jalen Ramsey. Yeah, okay, so these are
all good players, yep. Okay, Santa Samuel is as good
as these guys.

Speaker 5 (01:59:30):
Tylaw is as good as these guys.

Speaker 2 (01:59:32):
So I'm gonna say that high Law too much nineties.
Sure Santa Samuel doesn't have that, you don't have that
fallback for him?

Speaker 5 (01:59:39):
Yeah, I I understand. Uh, you know obviously Revas and
uh champ Bailey, I I've had like with all this,
like he got a lot of comps with Travis Hunter
and stuff. I and I you know, you do a
little bit more digging on how good Champ Bailey really was.
I mean, Champ Bailey was the hell of a player.
So I can't argue with those two. But the other
ones I think are debatable.

Speaker 2 (02:00:00):
Yeah, so I would say Samuel deserves to be in
that conversation. At the very least, safety's Ed Reid, who's
one of the greatest safety who's ever played, Troy Polamalu,
Brian Dawkins, Earl Thomas.

Speaker 5 (02:00:14):
So here's another one like Brian Dawkins, a little overrated
to me, Hall of Famer, good player. I'm not a
big Brian Dawkins guy.

Speaker 2 (02:00:22):
I don't remember Brian Dawkins spending a couple of years
with Denver at the end of his career.

Speaker 5 (02:00:27):
He's a really good player, like I'm not. But all
Century teams, all Century team, I don't know if I
had had Brian Dawkins on that.

Speaker 2 (02:00:34):
Yeah, and you know, five years in the nineties, ninety six, seven, eight,
well four years in the nineties, Yeah, I don't know.
And I think Cam Chancellor sort of gets some short
shift here. Charles Woodson is the practice squad player, so
that that sort of does it for the defense. Just
wrapping it up here. The kicker is Justin Tucker. The

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punter is Shane Leckler, The return guy is Devin Hester.
The cover guy, no surprise, is our buddy Matthew Slater.
The long snapper is Morgan Cox.

Speaker 5 (02:01:06):
Joe Cardona snubbed.

Speaker 2 (02:01:07):
Okay, what do you think for? Do you already see
all this? So you know the coaching staff now, obviously
Belichick is the coach. The head coach, I think that's
a no brainer. Offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan, such a loser.
Defensive coordinator is Wade Phillips. Special teams guy Dave Tobb,
the longtime Kansas City chiefs.

Speaker 5 (02:01:24):
I didn't actually see that, but it should be Kyle Shannon.
So I'm glad it's Kyle Shanner.

Speaker 2 (02:01:29):
You kind of probably knew that. But by the way
I was setting it up too, that one went really fast,
And I got to be honest with you, I did
not expect it to go fast because I thought that
Evan and I would be dragging with not a lot
of news to talk about. The weather is beautiful. I
didn't really feel like there'd be a lot of people online,
you know, taking part. But I want to thank everyone

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who spent some time with us, and that will not
be the last time you hear from us this week.
We'll be back on Thursday. I think Deuce will be back,
I believe, So I don't think Fred will be back
when we have a Catch twenty two Extravaganta.

Speaker 5 (02:02:02):
Yes, catching too tomorrow and then Pp and the duston
Lazaar on Thursday.

Speaker 2 (02:02:07):
All right, so we'll make my host on Thursday so
I can get back to my tom foolery, which is
what I do best. I want to again thank everyone
for helping out today, because it's not easy to do
a show when you're not used to hosting, and you
guys made it easy. So we'll talk to you on Thursday.

Speaker 1 (02:02:25):
Hey, this is Deuce.

Speaker 2 (02:02:26):
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Speaker 2 (02:02:38):
Thanks a lot,