Patriots Unfiltered 6/26: Spring Leftovers, Best Fan Experiences, Offseason Talk

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Speaker 1 (00:11):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. Evan melted by the way he
said this summer is overrated. He can't be outside. We
know Evan doesn't do any yardwork anyway.

Speaker 4 (00:35):
I didn't say summer was overrated.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
And summer's overrated. It's too hot. He doesn't do hard
work in the first place.

Speaker 5 (00:41):
So you love it though, you love that it's one
hundred degrees out, you're not.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
Yeah, one hundred might be a little bit strong. But
I did you know last week we had the holiday
on Thursday and it was pretty hot that day. It
was in the nineties. So justin in New Hampshire is
soft like you, Evan, he says, maybe it's the New
England or in me. But I'd much rather be sitting
at forty three degree weather right now, in this ninety
degree heat. I disagree with's soft now.

Speaker 5 (01:04):
I'm soft like sixty five and Sonny is the sweet spot.
That's the best weather right there. Apparently in Oak Bluffs
right now, there is a replica orca at the dock
that's sitting there in for the fiftieth anniversary. So so
I'm gonna go big time. I'm gonna do take a
picture on the Orca for you guys. And you know,

(01:26):
I know I'm the biggest JAS fan here, so that
makes sense.

Speaker 4 (01:29):
That would be meat twenty two.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
We haven't talked about the right side of the offensive
line being about nine hundred pounds of human meat, which
that can only be a phrase that you would say. Yes,
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Speaker 6 (01:46):
All right, welcome everybody, the Patriots Unfiltered. That's right, it's
Deuce in the host chair back to save you from
weather talk with these two guys.

Speaker 5 (01:53):
And I'm sorry everyone, it's actually Salt and Pepper with
salimn Pepper.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
Yeah, we allowed you to be on our show, too
nice and we invited you.

Speaker 4 (02:01):
Alex is always invited.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
But I just wanted to special special thank you. I
think it was justin in New Hampshire, who would much
rather have this miserable weather than you know, the beautiful
days that we've had this week.

Speaker 6 (02:11):
But we've had to keep break and Paul's miserable, but
it's deuce.

Speaker 3 (02:16):
Thirty five degree dropping temperature awesome.

Speaker 6 (02:18):
Blazarre, Perillo, Alex and uh off the top. Alex, just
back from Pepa.

Speaker 4 (02:24):
Of course they were making fun of our hair color,
but it was a.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
Combination of the hair color and the you know music,
Love Love It, Salt and Peppa.

Speaker 6 (02:34):
So to start off though real quick, Alex, you're back
from New York. You were the hashtag Sports Awards sure
winning award here for our last year the schedule release
video Good Jewels Hunting. So that was a big night
for you guys. Juni, Veronica came down there. Represent three
of us.

Speaker 7 (02:49):
Went down there.

Speaker 8 (02:50):
It was a two day conference and then the award
show Tuesday night. We stayed in Hell's Kitchen. So the
weather really.

Speaker 4 (02:58):
Was it hote? We understand that was it stinky?

Speaker 8 (03:01):
It was definitely stinky. It was definitely hot. But I
like the heat. Me and Paul spot there. I would
rather have one hundred degree days than cold winter, even
though I don't mind the winter that much.

Speaker 7 (03:13):
But it was tough. Some some people have I don't know.

Speaker 8 (03:19):
I liked it better than most, Like I went for
a five mile walk around the city before starting, like
the work day.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
And you made it backble.

Speaker 7 (03:31):
I like the heat. I like to sweat. I think
it's good for you.

Speaker 4 (03:34):
Heat isn't like horrible in New York City.

Speaker 5 (03:37):
It's the smell because every all the trash and everything,
it just bakes.

Speaker 7 (03:41):
And it was definitely trash day, so that was tough.

Speaker 6 (03:46):
Now do they take their trash out the night before
or do they wait till the morning?

Speaker 4 (03:49):
It's a good question.

Speaker 9 (03:49):
You know.

Speaker 7 (03:50):
I didn't notice, but it was.

Speaker 8 (03:53):
It's funny because like the snow barrels, it's just the bags,
you know.

Speaker 4 (03:58):
The subway to it gets hot down there.

Speaker 8 (04:01):
But you know what the congestion pricing in Manhattan, it's
doing what it's supposed to be doing. Because it was
easier to navigate New York City than it is Boston.

Speaker 7 (04:10):
Now, Like we went from.

Speaker 8 (04:12):
Hell's Kitchen where we were staying because the venue of
the conference changed at the last minute, so we were
taking like ten minute ubers from Hell's Kitchen to Park
Avenue and stuff, and it was so easy to navigate.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
And who but we.

Speaker 8 (04:31):
Are talking about it because I think Veronica was like
where's the NFL had? We made some friends from like
the Seahawks and the Falcons too, which is.

Speaker 4 (04:38):
Quite that's hilarious.

Speaker 7 (04:41):
I was telling Deuce about that.

Speaker 8 (04:42):
I didn't pick on them too much, but we were
just talking. They were like, Oh, where's the NFL headquarters.
I was like, you guys, it's in New York City.
Don't you remember when Portnoy and Company got arrested for.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
And people that didn't live in a room for the
Patris didn't really know.

Speaker 7 (04:55):
That this was either veronic courage.

Speaker 4 (04:57):
You So people that didn't for the Patriots, Oh yeah.

Speaker 7 (05:02):
You're right vern because the Steelers.

Speaker 6 (05:04):
Yeah she's from here though, but we're all Patriots.

Speaker 8 (05:08):
But yeah, we had a great time. It was really
cool met Hannah Storm. That was a fun little moment.
She received a Lifetime Achievement Award. Very fitting.

Speaker 7 (05:16):
Wow, made some great connections out there.

Speaker 8 (05:19):
I was like, on my a game with the schmoozing
and yeah, we won an award for Best Short Video.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
Exactly the most politically correct comment that I'm that I've
ever made. But Hannah Storm, Yeah, still bringing high, can
still bring in high at the top of the zone.

Speaker 4 (05:36):
Confirmed on the corners.

Speaker 8 (05:40):
But funny story, they're announcing our category because we're in
three categories shortlisted the Maddenson got a nod, and then
we got another recognition for and Anything but Football with
Alexapano or our collab with the LPGA there and then
Best Short Video, which was probably like in the big
degory of bigger and more important awards, and we thought,

(06:03):
Veronica and I just thought we had more time, and
we were like, now it feels like a great time
to go to the bathroom.

Speaker 7 (06:08):
So we did. We left the table and we went
to the bathroom.

Speaker 8 (06:12):
Fortunately, the bathroom was close enough where I could hear
the broadcaster around the mic, and for whatever reason, by
the grace of God, I didn't go into the stall
right away. And I was touching up my hair because
my breat broke, so I was trying to fix it.
And Veronica, I know that actively using the bathroom, and
all of a sudden I hear and now the nominations

(06:34):
for Best Short Video.

Speaker 7 (06:36):
Coronica, Holy, like, we gotta go now.

Speaker 8 (06:40):
They just announced and there was a woman from the
Warriors Golden State who was in the bathroom with us.
It was like, girls, run, run, you could make it,
and so we sprint out there, make it in time.
But I just see Junie sitting at the table like panicking,
like looking around for us, didn't know what to do.
And I emerge from the bathroom and I'm like, I
don't know if Roonica's gonna make it, I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 7 (07:01):
So fortunately we did.

Speaker 8 (07:03):
We're very frazzled on the stage, managed to make a speech.

Speaker 7 (07:08):
And get but it was just a blur because it
all happened so quickly. But great three days in New
York City.

Speaker 4 (07:14):
I'm going to.

Speaker 7 (07:19):
Children I did. I'm sure you couldn't stream it.

Speaker 8 (07:23):
I don't think it was live because my mom my
mom was asking.

Speaker 7 (07:26):
She really wanted to watch it, but.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
She looks you like me, I don't have I don't
have children to miss.

Speaker 5 (07:32):
The joke, Well, I'm an award winning actor.

Speaker 8 (07:40):
Was someone that tweeted, Evan, you're an actor and an
award winning film, not an award winning actor.

Speaker 7 (07:48):
Difference, I'm an actor in an award That was great.

Speaker 5 (07:52):
There's a lot of people that don't have awards to
their name, and I am not one of them.

Speaker 7 (07:58):
Winning writer now.

Speaker 6 (07:59):
By that, and they're way better actors.

Speaker 4 (08:02):
So there you go.

Speaker 6 (08:03):
So you'll notice we're all in our patriots polos today,
Alex and get the message. Apparently I didn't.

Speaker 7 (08:07):
Get mine yet.

Speaker 6 (08:08):
Shot a little training camp preview. We're getting close. Were
we about three weeks away? Four weeks away? It's closed enough.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
Don't rush it.

Speaker 6 (08:16):
I'm sorry, I just I can't believe next week's July fourth.
I'm going to excite it for it, and I hope
everyone else is too.

Speaker 3 (08:22):
I'm just excited to enjoy some more sixty eight degree
days of you.

Speaker 5 (08:27):
You're being snarky, but you really think that that the
other day when it was one o two was better
than this than.

Speaker 3 (08:34):
The White years? What sun is? What could be better
than what the sun is out?

Speaker 4 (08:39):
You're yeah, you're on the sun, like, just.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
Be on the stace.

Speaker 6 (08:44):
I think they heard your complaints. And now they're pumping
up the temperature in this studio to one hundred and
two degrees to get us to where we need to
be because it's slowly getting hotter and hotter in here.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
But are you upset that no one's really paying attention
to you leading the show?

Speaker 6 (08:55):
Now? It's like Salt and Pepper going off, going off
with Ivan right now? What was Salt Pepper's DJ name too?

Speaker 3 (09:02):
Do you remember?

Speaker 6 (09:03):
Now?

Speaker 7 (09:04):
Paprika was kidding that.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
Was Spinderella Spinderella, you turn it up one time.

Speaker 6 (09:11):
Okay, I don't know Spinderella, but.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
That one's going to come back on me later.

Speaker 6 (09:16):
I wanted to ask you guys, so Paul, you told
me your question though that top off last show. That
got me a little bit intrigued, and it was I
think one thing you feel good about football. Yeah, I'm
going to do a little football today, and I also
want to talk a little bit about the two thousand
and six AFC Divisional game Patriots Chargers, which I watched
in its entirety last night.

Speaker 4 (09:34):
Try Brown Hero.

Speaker 6 (09:35):
I mean it was I guess we can just do
this now. So as I started watching, I'm like, why
am I watching this? And I realized we're not gonna
have a lot to talk about today because we're kind
of in the void, as I like to call it,
not a lot of football news going on. Yeah, I've
told the story before, one of my best fan experiences
in my life. I don't need to rehash the whole story,
but went to that six or a FC divisional game.

(09:56):
One ticket was sitting right in back of the Patriots bench.
But as you get removed from these games, and I've
said it like doing my nineteen eighty five. Stuff of
watch those old games and you have a whole new perspective,
and I'm watching this team and I'm like, they were
terrible in this game, Like I hadn't remembered how bad
they were, And it really came down to the end
where Brady made one amazing throw. You mentioned the Troy

(10:19):
Brown thing. I think some of the context of that
got lost that that was a fourth down play, So
it wasn't just that they intercepted it and fumbled it,
like he could have just intercepted it and thrown it,
like they have just broken it up. Game over, game over.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
But because he's trying to tell me that the opponent
had something to do with that loss.

Speaker 6 (10:36):
Well, I came out of that one saying Marty Schottenheimer
deserved to get fired after And I think that was
a big That was a big talking point out of
that game. They were coming off a fourteen and two season,
number one seed in the AFC.

Speaker 4 (10:47):
They were a better team.

Speaker 6 (10:48):
They were a better team, no question. And so just
the thing that got me thinking about, which I had
to do a little bit of a deep die, was
I was like, this is I mean Brady had I
think he had three interceptions. He could easily have had four.
There was another one where he got sack fumbled that
bounced right into one of the Patriots offensive linemen.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
So that was a day that ended in day. In
those days, Well, Brady had an unbelievable knack of like
somehow corralling his strip sacks very He would he when
he went down, he would like corral ye somehow, And
he did it all the time, to the point where
I'm not even sure it was luck. I just think

(11:26):
that he had an incredible knack for knowing when that
was going to happen.

Speaker 6 (11:31):
It was unbelievable. He looked off to me in the
game too, I mean a lot of high passes.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (11:35):
And then the other part of the context to me
was we spent so much time since I got here
six years ago talking about the weapons and the wide receivers,
and I'm looking out there and it's like Jabbar Gaffney
and Troy Brown, who is really getting close to the
end of the line, and uh and the last guy,
Rashay Calwell, who they acquired as a free agent, expected,

(11:57):
I think Dean Branch to come into that season, but
even with dem I'm watching this team, like, oh my god,
they were really really struggling to do anything. Corey Dillon
looked like he was about twenty pounds overweight. Lawrence Marony
can't get get out of the backfield. He doesn't really
seem to have any vision, so I think. But at
the time when I was do super fan in six
going back watching that team, it's you know, you don't
really watch it with the total critical eye. You're like, man,

(12:20):
they won that game, But I had to pull some
of the stats because it was the second worst performance
Brady's had and still won in the playoffs. Just as
far as QB rating the rest of the other top five.
Anybody want to take a stab at what the other
game was that they won that he had a worse
It was only by one tenth of a point. It

(12:41):
was a very similar game. There's one other.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
Game performance game if they won.

Speaker 6 (12:46):
And they still won playoff game.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
So I would I'm going to be full disclosure. Would
I would have picked the seven AFC championship game against
the same San Diego Chargers. But I know because we
talked about this off air, that that's not Yeah, the
game that they won that he played worse than that
it's one of your face, Paul, I mean, I have

(13:09):
so many.

Speaker 6 (13:11):
Why don't you just tell me the twenty eleven AFC
Championship game against the Baltimore Ravens.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
I was just going to say it must have been
the Ravens game that was crazy.

Speaker 5 (13:21):
This is passer rating, yeah right, but it's still multiple interceptions.

Speaker 4 (13:26):
Three man three.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
Picks is three picks.

Speaker 4 (13:28):
I know.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
But he played poorly in the yeah, the.

Speaker 4 (13:33):
Championship game.

Speaker 3 (13:35):
Yeah, I don't remember him playing all that poorly in
that eleven game Baltimore. I don't. I mean that isn't
that the game that he had the over the top
quarterback sneak that ray Lewis hit him in the back. Like,
I don't remember him being all that bad in that game,
but I guess I guess.

Speaker 6 (13:48):
He was struggled. There's just some of the other games
that his worst passer ratings two thousand and nine against Baltimore.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
Was the lower terrible.

Speaker 4 (13:56):
I mean that everybody was terrible.

Speaker 6 (13:58):
I mean in great defense too at Denver in twenty fifteen,
great defense, I mean that was von Miller.

Speaker 5 (14:03):
But even that game, though, like he still has the
throw to gronk up the seam on fourth down.

Speaker 4 (14:07):
It's like one of the best.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
Starts the drive in general. Yeah, ended up going down
and scoring a touchdown, right, And.

Speaker 5 (14:13):
Then the amount of like that throw is because they
didn't end up winning that game. I feel like that
throw gets lost in the in the sauce a little
bit like that's fourth down, season on the line, and
he throws a dime to gronk up the seam to
convert the fourth down.

Speaker 4 (14:28):
Like perfect throw.

Speaker 6 (14:29):
And that's the same thing to rishey callwell, the one
big throw he made in the San Diego Chargers came.

Speaker 5 (14:33):
Oh, the one that he dropped in the end zone. No, no,
this is this is before he cut this. They got
it with the big.

Speaker 6 (14:39):
TI game, thy game. I mean, I'm not sure where
the exact what the yardage was.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
I want to say it was third and ten, third
and ten, bomb to Caldwell down the sideline that's set
up to go ahead field goal. I want to say
it was ten.

Speaker 6 (14:51):
Pa was on the line and that was the one,
you know, big throw. But it just shows you know,
I mean, I'm you guys know I hate Brady, right.
I mean, I don't mean to talk about his worst games,
but these are some the games where even though we
played really bad when it came down to it at
the end, he was still able to make a couple throws,
you know, make it interesting. I thought the fifth worst
passer rating of all time twenty nineteen against Tennessee Mike

(15:12):
Frabel here.

Speaker 4 (15:13):
See like I would think he wasn't good.

Speaker 5 (15:15):
That that game was worse than the twenty eleven championship game.
Just but watching the two of the games, Yeah, it
felt worse like they that game.

Speaker 4 (15:23):
They they didn't move the ball at all.

Speaker 3 (15:24):
I mean they Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 5 (15:26):
All he needed was one touchdown drive it in the
fourth quarter they would have won the game.

Speaker 4 (15:29):
They couldn't do it.

Speaker 6 (15:30):
They were dead. Yeah, they're dead in the water. Yeah, lost.
Just points to bring up about this was no surprise.
The opposite end of the spectrum, his highest passer rating
and a loss, of course, his Super Bowl fifty two
with you know against the Eagles, where he threw for.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
Five hundred dards in it.

Speaker 4 (15:46):
Really glad we brought that one up.

Speaker 6 (15:48):
Crazy, But no, I just one other thing I thought
it was funny to bring up up about this game
is what was the big controversy from this game. One
of the controversial things the Chargers were.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
Set about do you remember this coming back to the
Vince Wilfolk celebrate the lights out dance on the on
the field. Well, you know what, because la Danian Thomas said,
I don't know if you know, it's classy. He would
never do anything like that, so.

Speaker 4 (16:08):
It never win either.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
Well aware of that storyline, and I think that was
the biggest loser lament after a lot like that was
that to me was far worse. And you know, I
don't always beat up on the on the opposition when
they loo in stuff like that. I'm not you know,
I'm not Sully, Okay, I'm not just making fun of
the other guys. That was the worst loser lament ever.

(16:30):
You want to bitch about the officiating, I think that's
a loser little mint more often than not. But at
least everybody does that. Everybody always thinks their team got
screwed by the officials. Right, You were really upset because
they were mocking you a guy's sack dance, sack celebration,
and that really bothered you. Ladani and Thomason, You're a

(16:51):
Hall of Fame player, and that bothered you to the
point where you had to talk about it after the
game loser.

Speaker 6 (16:56):
So the thing that caught my eye about this, Paul
was and everyone was kind of saying at the end
of the game, was when they were doing it, and
that was what was getting everybody's uh, you know upset.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (17:07):
In the first quarter, I believe it might have been
the second quarter, Mike Vrabel had a sack and fumble
and Mike Rabel was the first one I think to
go right after the sack and stuck doing it.

Speaker 4 (17:16):
I'm like, that's all.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
That stuff all the time, back to the he was
leading the jar two years before in the Eagles Super Bowl,
he was flapping the wings.

Speaker 6 (17:26):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, he loves it now. I was another
thing that stood out to me about that game was
just that like they played three four defense the whole
time pretty much. I Mean there were a couple of
you know, third and longs where they'd bring in you know,
they take will fark out the bridge overs screen in,
but like it's just the same guys over and over again.
It's you know, compared to what we watched today where
it's so specialized. You have so many pass rushers and

(17:47):
you know, it's just Mike Rabel, Teddy Bruski Roosevelt Covid,
those guys playing every down. Just different game, different game,
but fun. Brought back a lot of great memories.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (17:56):
And then actually at halftime, if you guys stick around
on the video, we're gonna pla the segment that Paul
and I did with Josh McDaniels about that last drive
with Tom Brady and that in that six game against
the Chargers. So halftime, someone stick around for and watch.
So it was fun. It was fun, good game, you know,
I know.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
It was nice to bring Mic down Memory Lane. Memory
Lane was one of my favorites.

Speaker 6 (18:15):
That was one of my favorite fair.

Speaker 5 (18:17):
Certainly games that I've never watched again because they lost,
whether it's a super Bowl or whether it's like you know,
even to win like that, obviously to get to the
super Bowl you have to make a run, and I
have never But maybe now I could like do it,
like I probably could stomach it now, like as a
as a true fan like what I was before I

(18:37):
started covering the team, like I'd like I would never
sit down and watch Super Bowl fifty two again like that.

Speaker 6 (18:43):
I would rather Well, I can't even tell you what
happened in.

Speaker 5 (18:45):
That gouge my eyes out to watch that game again.

Speaker 6 (18:47):
Well, what were you guys, what were your favorite fan
experiences like growing up when you were younger before This
is like your job, but there's certain fans, but like
that game stands out to me. And then also in
twenty fourteen, I came here, had a bunch of stuff
to give away for the blog against the Broncos. It
was I think Peyton Manning's last game here. Edelman returned
to punt for a touchdown. Me and my buddy, Fitsy,

(19:08):
my sister, we were all, you know, giving stuff away.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
There were on celebrating.

Speaker 9 (19:12):
I had.

Speaker 6 (19:13):
I had to get my boy, my guy, had to
get my guy, get my guy.

Speaker 4 (19:16):
But that was that.

Speaker 6 (19:17):
Those are two of my my favorite Patriots experience. Nothing
in top San Diego. It's a playoff game, but just
such a cool experience be a fan watch your team
pull an upset.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
I had a very cool fan experience at San Diego.
Also from ninety six, I would say the best for
me would be the division playoff against Pittsburgh in ninety six.
Here first home playoff win fog game twenty eight three.
Patriots blew out a really good Pittsburgh team. Yeah, they
won the AFC Championship game the next week, but they

(19:46):
didn't play as well in that game. That was That
was for me. You got some tie brother, because all
the real you know, like all the Super Bowls, I
was working, So they're not fan.

Speaker 6 (19:57):
Experiences for me. No, it's totally different.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
It's different. You're not saying that.

Speaker 4 (20:01):
I remember du said he's been to the Super Bowls.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
Remember that him and constantly I've been to quite a few.

Speaker 4 (20:08):
And he's got some rings as well.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
It was actually at the ninety sixth Super Bowl too
as a fan. So yeah, ten, ten of them. Well,
actually I missed one of them. Damn will babies.

Speaker 6 (20:20):
The birth of my son because that specifically, Paul, for you,
is that specifically the game experience of self or was
it like the tailgate before, you know, the the game
experience for the Pittsburgh game?

Speaker 3 (20:33):
You know it just you know it was it was
like one three hour long party. You know. They they
took control of the game right away. I want to say,
they forced a three and out, then they went right
down and scored a touchdown, forced another three and out,
went down and scored a touchdown.

Speaker 6 (20:47):
The game was kind of old.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
It was three It was three hours of just celebration. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (20:53):
Well that's the funny thing watching that Chargers game, It's
like it was a terrible game, Like both teams were
like off. It wasn't back and.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
Forth and scoring. It was like I felt like the
Chargers running the roadge of blowing that game open seventeen times,
and then they just kept stopping the ball, like Vincent
Jackson couldn't catch, Oh my god, punt returner guy couldn't catch.
Eric partner Marlon McCree couldn't catch, like then nakating this
is a field goal at the end, and they lose.
It's like, how does a fourteen and two team lose
at home in the playoffs. Well, here's about ten things

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you probably don't want to do if you don't want
to get upset at home in the playoffs. And they
did like eight of them.

Speaker 6 (21:25):
I know, I mean drops right out of the gate.
You could just tell they weren't ready to go.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
Alex is shaking her head like how does he remember this?

Speaker 7 (21:32):
I just wanted you're a Marvel, Paul, You're a Marvel?

Speaker 3 (21:34):
What about you?

Speaker 6 (21:35):
Alex?

Speaker 3 (21:35):
What do you?

Speaker 6 (21:35):
What are your fan experiences?

Speaker 8 (21:38):
I didn't have a ton in stadium. I would always
go to like early season games when it's warm. I
just preferred to watch it on TV. But I think
the one that stands out to me the most is
the Seahawks Super Bowl. You know, we hadn't won in
a while, and at this point, I'm now like I
was old enough in O seven and eleven to really
be like dialed in with all the players, but we hadn't.

Speaker 7 (21:59):
Won a super Bowl yet.

Speaker 8 (22:00):
And then in eleven, I just remember I was with
like fifteen of my high school friends. One of them
had a pretty sweet bonus room above their garage.

Speaker 7 (22:08):
We're all up there and just you didn't know what
was going to happen.

Speaker 8 (22:12):
You thought we were going to lose, and then that
interception happens, and I'll just like never forget celebrating with
all my friends. And that was before like I was
arrogant about by fandom too, you know, because by the
time the Atlanta and ram Super Bowl came around, like
I've refound my cockiness about the Patriots, you know, so

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that the United.

Speaker 6 (22:33):
It's I mean, that's kind of what I was thinking
about because you mentioned Nickeating missed the field goal at
the end, but this was now Patriots team that was
in the beginning stages two years in after this of
things don't quite go right those last drives with some
of the with some of those games where it came
down to the end, they couldn't quite.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
Make we stops.

Speaker 6 (22:52):
You know, very next week, next week, they can't make
a stop. You get to super Bowl forty two, they
can't make a stop. Super Bowl forty six, they can't
make a stop. It was kind of a theme to me.
Was one of the last games where it kind of
worked out. Okay, you know, same thing with the Eagle
Super Bowl. In super Bowl thirty nine where they get
a last chance, they look discombobulated. Brodney Harrison picks off
an Aaron throw and ends it. But those are really

(23:14):
plays that became a problem. And that's why I think
super Bowl forty nine was such an emotional roller coaster,
because you had to experience that feeling of like this
is it. They're gonna blow it again on a freak play,
and you know, this is what's been happening back you
know since.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
I mean I definitely had that feeling to the point.

Speaker 8 (23:31):
Where like we had like shut off the game and
we were like just going downstairs.

Speaker 7 (23:36):
I forget exactly.

Speaker 8 (23:39):
Well, we were going downstairs to like going to judge
that my friend Tyler's dad was watching it in their
living room.

Speaker 7 (23:45):
We were upstairs in the bonus room.

Speaker 8 (23:47):
Something happened where we were like heading downstairs and we
were just gonna finish watching it in the living room
with his dad and leave, and we were just watching
just to like, all right, let's watch them lose. And
then they didn't and it was like.

Speaker 4 (23:59):
Yeah, I was they couldn't believe it happened.

Speaker 3 (24:01):
There's still time. Yeah, Like I was getting Seattle the points,
but I was like, you know, it's still Brady, they
still have time. I wasn't thinking the game was over. No,
I definitely thought Seattle was going to score. Once they
catch the ball with that fluke played on the sideline,
It's like another one of these kind of you know,
David Tyree plays and they get this one.

Speaker 6 (24:21):
But what did the auxiliary press box feel like at
that moment?

Speaker 3 (24:23):
Paul So I was at in that particular Super Bowl?

Speaker 4 (24:28):
Were you watching it on TV.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
The auxiliary press box at that particular Super Bowl? You're
actually in the stands, but you're not with the masses
they I was. I was with Andy and NBA Kenny.

Speaker 5 (24:51):
He was with us in the auxiliary press. Kenny was
at a big Boston sporting event. I'm shot NBA Kenny.

Speaker 6 (24:58):
Ye about you have him? What's your what's your fan experience?

Speaker 5 (25:02):
Oh boy? I was at super Bowl thirty six, so
that that's up there. I was nine actually, and Bourbon
Street the type before was fun too, and then that and.

Speaker 6 (25:19):
I didn't even like it all that much at thirty
Then blizar with beads on.

Speaker 7 (25:23):
Nine years old. It's open car here.

Speaker 5 (25:25):
I had, I had my walk around, I had my face,
I had my face painted with the with the Elvis
on it, and I had the beads on. And my
dad had his hand just permanently over my eyes and
I had the beads. So they were like, yeah, yeah,
there there's a lot of that going on.

Speaker 4 (25:44):
I ain't thought like smile.

Speaker 6 (25:46):
It's still pretty debating the matchup with the random drunk
people on the street, like, well, I just I mean,
it's the greatest by Carol Brown.

Speaker 3 (25:55):
Some dube is like, you know, I'm really worried about
the you know, the nickel package. I wouldn't worry at all.

Speaker 5 (26:00):
Well, as you can imagine, that was me as a kid,
and it either went one of two ways. Either the
adults were into it and thought it was funny that
I thought I knew what everything, you know, or they
would get like annoyed that this like eight or nine
year old. Look, yeah right, I was going now away.
But I was at Super Bowl thirty six after the

(26:21):
game too. I'll never forget my uncle who was probably hammered,
and I obviously didn't know because I was nine years old,
just running up and down the street yelling we.

Speaker 4 (26:33):
Shocked the world.

Speaker 5 (26:34):
We shocked the world, and like we were like just
on cloud nine obviously, But that was I would say
probably fifteen of us went to that game, and we
had like seats just all sprinkled out throughout the entire
stadium because he couldn't all sit together, so it was
my dad and my grandfather and I where three of
us sat together, but everybody else was all scattered throughout

(26:56):
the entire stadium. But David Patten's touched on the back
of the end zone happened right in front of us,
So that was that was really cool.

Speaker 4 (27:06):
Yeah, you think that.

Speaker 6 (27:06):
Game had a big impact on you choosing this as
like a career path and wanted to come.

Speaker 5 (27:10):
I mean that whole season did like that, you know,
Brady coming in and the two thousand and one season,
and you know, that was the first season that I
can really vividly remember what was happening and like you know,
watching the games and things like that, and you know,
I still remember my dad telling me that we were going,
which was an awesome moment as well, and I was

(27:32):
like screaming throughout the house, like I was so excited.
And we we went through like a crazy route to
get there. Uh, nine to eleven had just happened, so
like the airports were like on lockdown, so it was
like insane security especially. Yeah, So we flew from like Boston,
Boston to Houston or Dallas and then drove from there

(27:54):
to New Orleans. We like rented a car and drove
from there to New Orleans part of the Oh God,
and like the people that were having a good time,
you know, the adults, Like the ride back was just disgusting,
Like we were pulling over to the side of the
road because people couldn't, you know, keep their breakfast down.

Speaker 7 (28:14):
And I was like the breakfast, yeah.

Speaker 5 (28:17):
Yeah, and like all this stuff, and my cousin was
like she was like nine. She was in college, so
she was probably like nineteen or twenty at the time.
And the story that they told me was that she
ate bad pizza, and they I had no idea to
think any differently. And then I got into like my
teenage years, and I was like, you didn't have bad pizza.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
You know it.

Speaker 4 (28:37):
It was one of those drinking Yeah. Yeah, So.

Speaker 5 (28:42):
That was number one. I mean, that's number one by
a mile. But I was also here for the twenty
four to three comeback against Denver in twenty thirteen. I
want to say it was uh and that was my
twenty first birthday, So my family took me to the
game on my twenty first birthday and the tailgate was

(29:04):
a great time, and then the game itself, a lot
of our party, a lot of the people that were
with us actually left at halftime because it was like
it was freezing. It was I think twenty degrees that
night with a crazy wind chill. It was really cold
and they were down twenty four to three, and at
the time, that's the biggest comeback in Patriots history until
twenty eight to three, and they came back and they

(29:27):
won that game. So those are probably be my two
top games, but I went to games all through out
my childhood, so there's a bunch.

Speaker 6 (29:34):
Of It's kind of like something Alex and I were
talking about. It's just something to me, is trying to
make sure that kids fall in love with the game
of football and are still able to like go to
these games and experience it.

Speaker 4 (29:44):
You know.

Speaker 6 (29:45):
I think that's why I love training camp. It's opportunity
for you know, people to go and you know, not
worry about you know, have to spend a thousand dollars
to do it.

Speaker 3 (29:52):
Yeah, you know, you sound like you're you like you
work for like the Chamber of Commerce, for like cricket. Somehow,
the NFL needs to have people get They need more
eyes like and more attention on the sport. Well, I
mean we need to grow. We want to make sure
that the kids this NFL. Maybe it might catch on
some day.

Speaker 6 (30:11):
Well maybe it's just my kids, but I don't they
like football. They both like flag football, but they're nowhere
near invested in the team at all.

Speaker 7 (30:19):
I don't think it's just kids.

Speaker 4 (30:20):
I think it's just not very good.

Speaker 8 (30:22):
Well it's not even just the Patriots in general. I
think it's a growing trend in all of sports.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
I would totally agree.

Speaker 7 (30:27):
It's aren't really following sports like we used to.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
They don't have teams the way we did, know.

Speaker 8 (30:33):
And just the way you can just get highlights and
clips on YouTube here and there, Like they're not watching games.

Speaker 5 (30:38):
Yeah, I mean I was always a big Celtics fan
since birth basically, but the two thousand and one Patriots
I was eight nine years old, and that changed my
sports fandom forever. I mean, I became a die hard,
diehard page not that I wouldn't have maybe anyways, but
I definitely that was the season and you know, Brady
coming in and all that stuff. So I really deduced

(31:02):
this question or like that did probably change my life honestly,
not to be dramatic, but like that and honestly probably did.

Speaker 6 (31:07):
No, I mean I still think, I mean I still
think about it. The first time I went to the
old stadium and just I remember walking off of Route one.
The stadium was a lot closer to the road back then,
and it looked like a castle to me on a hill,
and and just that impression dumb then it was a
dumb I was terrified. I was I'm watching fights, Yeah,

(31:28):
terrified but it made such an impression on me. I wonder, though,
if like that one team, it was so easy to
get on board with a team like that, like a young,
up and coming team and an underdog. We know the
cliches of that whole trope, and it's easy to get
invested in it. I wonder, you know, someone, if you're
in a lull right now, maybe true to that.

Speaker 3 (31:47):
Because the first teams that I remember were actually very good. Yeah,
you know, seventy six, seventy seven, seventy eight, they won
a lot of games, yeah, you know, and that's you know,
my earliest years watching the team. My first game that
I went to was in seventy six and when eleven three.

Speaker 6 (32:00):
Yeah, so I.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
Didn't necessarily have to suffer through all of those terrible
teams that they had, you know, when I was first
getting involved in the in the Patriots.

Speaker 6 (32:09):
You kind of get the vibe when you watch some
of the Chiefs fans, some of the Eagles fans, even
their parades that they've been lucky enough to have. You know,
I do feel like the championships probably bring more of
the youth element in. It's easier to get on board
when they're sure you know, winning championships, and you know,
for the rest of the other thirty one teams in
the league that every year, it's it's just hard. I mean,
that's what I see firsthand of you know, Fred talks

(32:31):
about wanting to get kids involved in more in football,
and it's just that's a concern of mine.

Speaker 5 (32:35):
But that's the first one that I mean, we didn't
know that Boston and sports in general were going to
go on this insane run like they did. But two
thousand one's the first one out of that whole group.
So I was four in nineteen ninety six, so it's
not like I really remember that, and you know, the
Celtics were horrible and like all throughout the nineties pretty much,
so really it was like just that was the start

(32:57):
of this incredible run. And then I think our generation
it's just so sports crazy because of how good all
the teams have been for the last twenty twenty five years.
It's hard not to be, you know, and every other
year a team is winning a championship, it's like you're
obviously gonna get invested and get excited about it.

Speaker 6 (33:13):
So yeah, I have spoilt fans still around, Like you
still have people with just these unrealistic expectations. And sometimes
when we get into talking about the new regime and
Drake May and all that, it's like, how lucky we
would be if Drake May wins the Super Bowl? And
is that enough for people? I mean, is that going
to be like that?

Speaker 3 (33:29):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 6 (33:30):
Like I think like a lot of people are like, well,
I want at least two or three? Or does it
it's not enough? You know, it probably.

Speaker 8 (33:35):
Depends on the generation you grew up in, right, like
Evan and mine. Like I was in kindergarten and no
one and I remember vividly, I told the story this weekend.
It was like Groundhog Day or something in kindergarten and
we came back at that weekend and they were talking
about the groundhog seeing its shadow, and I was like,
who the hell cares?

Speaker 7 (33:50):
The Patriots won the Super Bowl? Like what are we
doing as a child, like a five year old? Five six?
Whatever you are?

Speaker 8 (33:56):
And then those titles carried me Celtics, Bruins, Red Sox,
Patriots into postgrad and like becoming like getting my first
job at Mass Live and covering the World.

Speaker 7 (34:10):
Series and the Patriots in eighteen, like.

Speaker 5 (34:13):
There's so many of us that you know, all my
friends on the beat that this generation like it shaped
us to want to do this probably yea as like careers,
you know, and it just I know, definitely for me
and I can speak for Barth too, like that that's
why we're probably doing this.

Speaker 4 (34:31):
Like is this all got us into it?

Speaker 5 (34:34):
But I feel like that will happen, Like I think
you see that a little bit now with like Jason
Tatum and Jaylen Brown and this Celtics team.

Speaker 7 (34:42):
Because they just love the Celtics, you.

Speaker 5 (34:44):
Know, but it would be hard, it be hard to
be really into the Patriots or really into the Bruins
or the Red Sox right now because they're not having
the success that they they once were having.

Speaker 4 (34:53):
So you know, it's tough.

Speaker 5 (34:54):
Like there's no Burger on and you know, there's no Chara,
there's no there's none of that for this generation.

Speaker 6 (35:00):
Like I look back at my yearbook from high school
and I grew up like three towns over, and you look,
I have like a Chicago Blackhawks. How like there's nobody
had like Patriot stuff on like every other thing exulting
Charlotte Hornet, like the Charlotte Hornet's starter jacket or you know,
those were the things that were in at that time,
and I don't really remember, right and black. We were
red in black, I think that's why. But there were

(35:22):
so many random teams, and I would guess, you know,
in the last twenty years, you look at high school
pictures there, you know, kids not going to be your
senior portraits.

Speaker 3 (35:29):
Of course those are very.

Speaker 6 (35:30):
Fancy and you want it to look nice, but you know,
other kids just where I never nobody wore Patriot stuff.
Nobody they were you know, they weren't even in the
league really at least that's how it.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
Seemed at the time. But that's the only thing, you
know for me, and I'm the oldest one here obviously,
but true, the one regret would be all that winning.
Like when listening to Alex and Evan talk about the
impact it had in their childhood growing up, I just
wish that it had happened earlier for me, you know,
because it's great that they won the titles, but it's

(36:02):
not the same when you're an adult. Yeah, you don't
feel the same way. You know, you're not running into
parades and whatnot, you know.

Speaker 7 (36:11):
And especially once you're doing this for your career, and
it's like.

Speaker 4 (36:14):
It feels weirder to it's like everywhere to.

Speaker 8 (36:16):
Be a fanboy and like obsessing over these kids that
are like younger than you.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
But I would say, yeah, like for the Patriots, obviously
that's different. It's work. But even like when the Red
Sox won, you know, when they won the first one,
it was unbelievable and we were excited. But like I
just imagined when the eighty six one happened and they
were one strike away, you know, twelve times in the
you know, in the ninth inning of the tenth inning,

(36:42):
whatever it was, and we were all getting ready to go.
You know, I was a freshman in college at the time,
but we were all in my house in Everett, and
I had all my high school guys and we were
all just waiting for the last out and we were
getting ready to go in to Ken Moore. Now I
didn't run into Chemo Square and four. You know, I'm

(37:03):
a grown adult with you know, responsibilities. I had no
baby yet, So it's just different. It's a different mentality.
Not that I wasn't excited when the Red Sox finally
won it. It was you know, it's probably the same
excitement I would have had, but like that party and
celebration is different. You don't feel You never feel the

(37:23):
same way when you're like fifteen.

Speaker 4 (37:26):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
It can't be the same way. Like if you recall
I made fun of you when you came in looking
like lucky to.

Speaker 4 (37:37):
Leperco, I don't know if I felt. I don't know.

Speaker 5 (37:40):
It's like I don't know if it was quite eight like,
oh it was my like Pearson Gardenet, that's my team, right, Like,
I don't know if it was quite that level, but
it wasn't far off.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
It was, No, it was Celtics were the only one
of the teams that I got to enjoy championships when
I was in high school. Now, I still didn't go
to the parades because that's not my thing.

Speaker 8 (37:56):
But having two championship while at UMass and just seeing
that campus like.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
That was the other part of line.

Speaker 7 (38:05):
Burned down the Socks.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
Losing to the Mets, we had like a team brawl
because everybody was either from Boston or New York, so
it was it was not pretty.

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(38:57):
Christian LA, Let's do it? Hey, Christian going on? Hey,
what's up to you guys much?

Speaker 2 (39:04):
Get to talk to you on a Thursday, about three
weeks out from football really starting. And I'm excited. One
thing I'm not excited about the haters. I listened to
the calls the other day and in the middle of
you guys do this thing where you have a couple
of genomics come on and they'll read an email. I've
been noticing that there's a lot of emails that have

(39:25):
pointed out good old Christians from LA. I am a
Patriots fan, people. I have been a Patriots fan since
nineteen seventy nine. My best experience pace Bick fan was
getting the opportunity to go through the two thousand and
fifteen A Championship in Denver, stating on the same floor

(39:45):
as mister Craft and having a great conversation with me.
My pseudo worst experience the Patriots fan was my first experience,
and that was even Lyle Alzado paralyzed Daryl Daily on
Live on Team. It was stunning and I was just
or it wasn't why I was Who was the guy

(40:07):
that's that hit up?

Speaker 3 (40:08):
Jack Tatum?

Speaker 2 (40:09):
Jack Hatum in the back, Tatum with the over the
over the middle path just stunning. That's that's top long
and why would Patriots faces so to the haters, Hey man,
I'm one of you guys. But if you come at me,
christopherla is gonna come at your parts. Okay, onto the football.
I've heard a lot about the the the potential uh

(40:33):
amount of wins we're gonna have to this season and
it's somewhere around ten wins, and people are describing that
as a good season. That would be a good season.
If you can get ten wins, that's not a good season, guys.
That's a better season that we have. A good season
is getting over the humble, competing for the popping waiting
visit visit the championship, and then going on to at

(40:56):
least when one game in the playoffs. That's a good season.
That's we're people when you're looking for Damka and something
new and that could only happen, and with it, with
two things happening, we have to have somewhat compete both
defensive Player of the Year and we have to still
compete the offensive player of the year. We can all
collectively describe which people are gonna be, but those things

(41:17):
that happen, you're not typing a good seat. Thanks you guys.
Christic from LA out.

Speaker 6 (41:22):
Well, that was a call drop the mic.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
Uh can I just say really quickly what you guys
analyze all that? Yeah, Alex and Mike, you guys were right,
not sure if it will be enough? Right, not sure
if it will be enough because when you combined for
eight wins in the two previous seasons and win ten
and that's no good. You guys are right. I thought
that people would just just want to have a good
team again, but I was wrong.

Speaker 6 (41:47):
I'd like to see, you know, functional offense that can
score points in the red zone. I'd love to see
them just stay in contention. I don't I mean, the
playoff wins seems like a lofty, a lofty thing to say.
If you get in, you're gonna be one those lower
seas you're gonna have to play. I don't think it's impossible,
but I'm.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
Just saying, like, why can't it be a good season.
Why can't you just win more games?

Speaker 6 (42:08):
It's a good double your win total from last year.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
Says it's not a good season. They can win ten games,
not a good season. I think that's absurd.

Speaker 4 (42:15):
It's not great.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
Ten wins would be fantastic. They won eight combined the
last two years. Like, you're more than doubling your win
total from a year ago, and that's not good.

Speaker 6 (42:28):
It's funny coming from Christian as he said he remembers
those old Patriots teams, that majority of that was that
was the ceiling for those old seventies Patrios Tams losing
in the first round.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
I'm not telling you, you know, you need to have
a parade if you win ten games and get knocked
out of the playoffs, you know, whether you make it
or get knocked out in the first round, But like
you don't look at that as a positive step in
the rebuilding process.

Speaker 7 (42:48):
That's why I worry if expectations are just too.

Speaker 3 (42:50):
D I think you guys are right, I underestimated.

Speaker 8 (42:52):
With the schedule, you know, not super It's not the
hardest schedule in the world. And then just with how
the excitement around and like bringing in guys like Digs,
even though that's still a big unknown too. I just
worry that we're so used to being so so like
low that expectations are just way too high.

Speaker 6 (43:13):
I think Drake's part of it, too, I think there
I've said it before. I think there are people who
are like, we got the guy, and no question, Drake
may did a ton last year, very excited about him, but.

Speaker 7 (43:22):
We forget about Matt Jones.

Speaker 6 (43:23):
Is something this year though, you know, if this is
like the proving ground for him, and I think we'll
know it though, Paul, like I felt the last couple
of years, by the time you got to week three,
week four, you kind of knew. I mean, you could
probably even say in training camp, but give yourself September
to confirm what you think you saw in training camp.
I don't know how you guys felt, but we talked
about the Cincinnati win last year. Week one, we won

(43:45):
the first game, but we all kind of are like,
it's gonna be really tough to pull that off every week.
You know, by the time you get to that end
of September four or five games, you kind of know
what you got and you know what it's gonna be.
I just hope there's some excitement of you know, yeah,
there's some shortcomings on this team, maybe an injury or
something creates a problem that they don't quite have the
depth yet to handle, but you're gonna know it, like

(44:06):
it's just watching it on the field.

Speaker 5 (44:07):
Well, I feel like that's why the ten win number
has a negative connotation because of Mac Jones is a
rookie year or they won ten games, but you kind
of knew the team had a ceiling with him as
a quarterback, and with the setup that they had, this
ten wins could look different.

Speaker 4 (44:25):
This ten wins could look.

Speaker 5 (44:27):
Like Drake May is the guy and he has now emerged,
not even more so than Mac Jones did his rookie
year because of the physical traits where like you're like, okay, now,
this is a guy that has a chance to be
competing for like MVP someday, where I don't think any
of us had, even after twenty twenty one, had any
thought in our mind whatsoever that Mac Jones would one

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day be a top five quarterback in the NFL. Serviceable maybe,
but not at that level. So ten wins is it's arbitrary,
like it could It depends on how that ten wins
looks to a good point, if they I'm to ten
winned with seventeen to fourteen wins and there are all
these rock fights like they were in twenty one and
even parts of twenty two, and that's not that that
appealing of a ten win season. But they're ten wins

(45:10):
and Drake maythrows for forty five hundred yards and thirty
five touchdowns. That's a different kind of ten win season.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
Yeah, there is a big difference, you know in context
is you know, certainly part of it. And that's it's
a good point about how it comes about. I find
it hard to believe they'd be able to win ten
games and have the quarterback not be responsible for any
of them. They did that in twenty twenty one. They
won ten games when the quarterback really didn't have much

(45:36):
to do with any of.

Speaker 4 (45:37):
Those wins yet a little bit something to do.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
I said, didn't have much to do. I know, I
didn't say that year.

Speaker 8 (45:42):
He was kind of just like the standard quarterback that
he's not going to necessarily lose you any games, not
going to necessarily.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
He was completely coddled and they didn't put him in
any positions of harms.

Speaker 6 (45:52):
Hold my beer about the legs games, which is why
they which is why they never had.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
Any come from behind wins. They beat up on. You
know that the good wins that they had, the quote
unquote good teams that they beat, were completely decimated when
they played them, like Tennessee Rables, Tennessee team that game
over the year twenty one guys against you know. But
when I find it hard to Yeah, that's what I'm saying,
Like they won ten games. I understand Evan's point. If
they won ten games like that, maybe I wouldn't be

(46:19):
as excited about it. Yeah, I find it hard to
believe you can do that over and over again, just
win ten games that will be in any game.

Speaker 6 (46:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (46:26):
I don't want to put words in Christian LA's mouth,
but the Commanders I also feel like maybe set people
up for expectations that are a little bit too lofty,
like them doing what they did last year and going
to the NFC Championship game way ahead of schedule. Now
makes everybody think, well, the Commanders just did it, so
why can't another team just do it? And it's that

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was incredibly rare, Like that was an incredibly rare feat
that they had last year to make it that far
with with the rebuild that they had, it wasn't There's
really not a lot of president for it.

Speaker 3 (46:57):
So they beat Tampa in the wildcard game, so just
using that as a Barama. So if they had lost
to Tampa they were a wild card team. That would
not have been a successful season. That would not have
been a good season.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:12):
So they won a lot of regular seasons, but they
got knocked out in the Fruit Now, let's face it,
they went to Tampa. Not everybody thought that Washington would
win that game. Going in big er biggs, you know,
they won it, and then they won again the next
week in Detroit. So now it's a good season because
they you know, like well.

Speaker 5 (47:28):
Two years ago Houston with a rookie Stroud won that
game against Cleveland, which was Cleveland was kind of not really.

Speaker 4 (47:36):
A playoff team.

Speaker 5 (47:37):
Playoff team, you know, the end of the wild car
typically that was a really good season. Then they got
their doors blown off of them by Baltimore right in
the second round.

Speaker 3 (47:46):
I don't think they got their doors blown off.

Speaker 4 (47:48):
But it wasn't very competitive.

Speaker 6 (47:49):
Have you guys seen much talk of people speculating that
Washington will have the regression to the mean that we
always talk about with big free agency classes.

Speaker 3 (47:58):
Not because of free agency crises, because I don't think
that's how the team was built.

Speaker 6 (48:02):
But last year they kind of got a bump with
bringing guys in. I mean Daniels.

Speaker 3 (48:07):
They got Daniels is what they got. The rest of
it was kind of like the middle of the road.
Kind of got like a veteran in Bobby Wagner, and
you know you're gonna plug him in. You know, zach Ertz,
who a lot of people thought was done, you know,
went there and gave them a little bit of a lift,
but they didn't. I don't think they spent big in
free agency.

Speaker 5 (48:25):
They did, but they did it more of like a
spread it out spend instead of instead of going and
signing Milton Williams and like the top guy in free agency.
But they spent a lot of money, they did, but
they did they spread it out.

Speaker 4 (48:38):
It was a lot.

Speaker 3 (48:40):
Almost my new partner here and if he says it, I'm.

Speaker 6 (48:42):
Gonna type you don't mess with research. But I think
to your point, though, Paul, it's a big piece of
it as the quarterback. And if you have the quarterback
and you make that move with free agency one year,
and you have a good core around him and you
have the support system that allows him to blossom, you're
setting yourself up to avoid that.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
What I thought when I originally answered yes, I have
heard a lot of the regression to the mean talk
with Washington, and I have because where I thought you
were going was. I've heard people and I don't know
if this is just like you have this three hundred
and sixty five day scrutiny that is now the NFL,
like you have to find something to nitpick. I've heard
people say that, well, because Jade Daniels was so experienced,

(49:25):
having played six years of college football. He came as
a finished product. Oh yeah, so that's as good as
he's going to be.

Speaker 5 (49:32):
Yet I don't know. I'm not an MVP vote. So
if that's as good as he's going to be, then
like no, but now you figure it out.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
But but the point is, like you sort of figure
him out and you take away some of the things
that he does well, and he's not going to get
any better than he is.

Speaker 5 (49:46):
I would worry about I don't know, I would worry
pretty good. To me, it's Berry when it comes to that,
more than Jayden Daniels, because Cliff Kingsberry, right, Kingsbury leaves.
I love Cliff Kingsbury because his offense isn't really fun
to break down, but he gets figured out. He's one
of those guys that tends to get figured out eventually.
Like in Arizona, every year post Thanksgiving, the Cardinals would
just fall off a cliff offensively and you kind of

(50:08):
get a feel for what they're doing. And last year
with Washington, they ran a lot of the concepts that
they he was running at LSU. They kind of just
took a lot of that LSU stuff and brought it
with Jaden Daniels to Washington. So an off season of
defenses and defensive coordinators studying the film, like does that
What is Cliff Kingsbury's pivot? Like what's his plan? B

(50:31):
what's his you know, counter punch? If these teams figure
out what they're doing, because what they did was actually,
for the most part, pretty simplistic, Like it wasn't like
they did anything overly exotic in terms of the types
of plays that they were running. So I'm interested to
see how they kind of adapt to that. Did the
same thing happened to Philadelphia, Like Philadelphia got had that

(50:53):
lull in the middle there between these two Super Bowls
where they kind of got figured out they ran the
same like half a dozen plays is most of the time,
and teams sort of kind of got a feel for
it and got a beat on it, and they had
to hire you know, Kellen Moore and and spice it
up and change it.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
The other part I would worry about with with Washington
is the durability for Daniels. You know, a lot of
people were wondering how he would hold up because he
doesn't look like he's all that thick, you know, and
they ran him a lot. So is he going to
be like Lamar Jackson? Like you can run him a
lot every year and for the most part get away
with it, you know. I know Lamar missed some time,

(51:31):
you know, in the last couple of seasons, not last year,
the previous ones. But generally those kinds of quarterbacks get
nicked up and banged up, they slow down. Lamar Jackson
has been able to be elite for a long time.
He's the outlier. Not a lot of guys that play
like that do that.

Speaker 6 (51:49):
Like I'm thinking back to Robert Griffin, who had a
good first year, great hit, a great rouk.

Speaker 4 (51:56):
Was that just injuries devastating?

Speaker 6 (51:59):
I mean, I find hard to believe that a rookie
is a finished proser your boy, you know, Jayden Daniels
look that good. It's hard to believe that he's not
going to improve, at least marginally as he gets more
experience and these different defenses. And I think after last
year he has some should have so much confidence that
that's such a big part of being a quarterback that
you can overcome mistakes. You're not gonna you know, fall

(52:21):
into the mental doldrums. If if things aren't going your way.
But he's just such an explosive player and his downfield
accuracy and ability to make plays.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
It's just it's uncanny.

Speaker 6 (52:30):
But we'll get a close look out of him there
this summer and if you're around, come check him out.
Uh let's go out to Fresno. Hello, speed on the Patriots.

Speaker 9 (52:38):
What hote going on?

Speaker 10 (52:42):
I've been holding on to an off season question for
you guys for a couple of months, and today it
seems like as good as it as any. It's not,
it's unfortunately it's football related. I can't disappoint Evan, but
we'll see. But so, like the situation is, your offense
is at your own two yard line, and so you
have tons of incentive to try and draw the defense offside,

(53:04):
get nootral zone infraction, get some breathing room. And so
in this case, the offense has like an unfair advantage
because if they get calls for that false start, you
know it's only half the distance you go from the
two yard line to the one yard line. You get
penalized at one yard, but you kind of steal the
other four yards that should have been penalized. So why
not tack those other four yards on to the first

(53:27):
down marker. So if it's first and ten offense that
they're on two offense false starts make the penalty. You
have to half the distance, So scrimmage goes back to
the one yard line and you would play first down,
but the line to gain gets bumped in the twelve
yard after the sixteen yard line.

Speaker 6 (53:43):
I see what you're saying.

Speaker 4 (53:45):
How often does this happen?

Speaker 6 (53:47):
So definitely minutial.

Speaker 10 (53:48):
Happened to postseason. It happened in the postseason like twice.
That's when I thought about this.

Speaker 4 (53:52):
It happened in the postseason twice.

Speaker 10 (53:53):
When yes, this year, this past year, and I can't
remember when I'm not tall.

Speaker 5 (54:00):
Well, the I mean I false start taking false starts.

Speaker 3 (54:04):
When you're backed up near your goal line. Yeah, they happen.
But I mean, is that a problem?

Speaker 11 (54:09):
Is that?

Speaker 3 (54:09):
Is that like an issue in the league? I don't know.

Speaker 4 (54:11):
I mean, this is the unfair Why is it unfair? Well,
I just.

Speaker 10 (54:16):
Defense, defense gets called it's a five yard penalty. Where
is it in the case that is the offense.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
Is so what happens when the offense has the ball
in a in a third and goal from the one
and the defense jumps off side. That happens, which happens
a lot more than the offense get in the false starts,
by the way, especially with the touch.

Speaker 10 (54:37):
I agree, And that's why my follow up was going
to be, like, is there maybe there's not an analogous
solution at the other end of the field when the
offense has the advance.

Speaker 3 (54:45):
Well, the referee, Hocy Lee Junior just you know, threatens
to you can do that in the rollbut just make
it a touchdown because I forget the phrase that he used.
But the palpably unfair act or.

Speaker 5 (54:57):
Something that's actually in the rowboat that right, wasn't some
kind of nonsense.

Speaker 3 (55:03):
Like that, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (55:03):
Yeah, yeah, it's in the rule book that if a
team continuously jumps offside to try to stop like a
sneak like the touch push or something like that. I'm
going to figure wag the ref can literally get I
don't know why smocking it.

Speaker 4 (55:16):
It literally has It's stupid. It's in the rule book.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
I know it's in the rule book. There's a lot
of things that are stupid in the rule you know,
it's not they went off side like five times in
a row, right, run, Let's not deal with it.

Speaker 4 (55:27):
What do you mean deal with the run? The damn
play stop jumping off side in the rule book.

Speaker 6 (55:33):
Thanks to be appreciate it. Interesting. I was just reminded
of the famous footage of Bill Belichick talking to the
late Marquise Hill and kind of grilling him on the spot.
A window into what Belichick seem to always do. Where
what happens if the offense, what happens if the defense
goes outside and you can tell my key's.

Speaker 3 (55:50):
Hills a little, but the offense goes it's it's first
and goal from the six.

Speaker 6 (55:54):
It's a big difference, huge incentive there to to try
to draw them off side.

Speaker 5 (55:58):
I would also say, though that not to keep picking
on speed, but the half to distance to the coal
like it doesn't feel like a lot tangibly like in
terms of a number, but like when you think about
the fact that the quarterback, like there's an off there's
a line and then the quarterbacks under center, so now
his feet are in the end zone versus not like
that's it's a bigger difference than.

Speaker 6 (56:19):
Scrab Eldrid here hailed it.

Speaker 3 (56:23):
I know, Hey, how are you?

Speaker 12 (56:28):
I'm doing right?

Speaker 9 (56:28):
Pop?

Speaker 10 (56:29):
I agree with you man, I date when I feel great.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
You know this in the right direction going up.

Speaker 9 (56:36):
But I would love a playoff push but death death
hoping too much.

Speaker 3 (56:41):
But I'm certainly not going to be upset if they
just make the playoffs and don't advance in the playoffs,
I'll be thrilled.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
I like direction.

Speaker 6 (56:52):
Yeah, you'll know it, you'll know it.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
But Evan Evan said it right, you'll know it when
you if if May is thrown through it, you know,
look to it. Yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
Other person that is he he backup?

Speaker 9 (57:07):
Or is he gonna be compete well either left left
cackle or whatever I'm talking about.

Speaker 6 (57:15):
I think yeah, yeah, yeah, thanks Soldred.

Speaker 4 (57:19):
He can make the team as a backup.

Speaker 5 (57:21):
I don't see it, but I I think that there's everybody.
I I believe everybody's gonna get a chance at left guard.
My left guard is We're gonna throw ten names into
a hat and whichever name comes out is going to
be the victor. And we have no sacred cows, there's
no recent draft picks or anything like that that that
are just going to get it by default.

Speaker 4 (57:41):
Uh. Do I think he'll win the job. No, But
I think his.

Speaker 5 (57:44):
Name is going to be in that that ring just
like everybody else's.

Speaker 6 (57:47):
Yeah, cool strange getting plenty of run there.

Speaker 4 (57:50):
Like the SOW.

Speaker 5 (57:52):
I assume Laden Robinson will be heard from Robinson Robinson
Jared Willis.

Speaker 3 (57:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (57:59):
I think what you said it up with Jared Wilson
or was that during our our training camp they mixed together?
Interesting guy. I just like to see him in the mix.
Does he get involved at center or at left guard?
And I would guess when we get into camp that,
like you said, it's gonna be maybe a new face
there a lot come on.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
I don't know if it's going to be at the
start of the season because he's missed some time here
in the run up as a rookie. I think Jared
Wilson will be a starter this year. I don't know when,
but I think he'll be a starter.

Speaker 5 (58:26):
Listening to some of the you know, I did the
right up of his when we did all those features,
and like listening to some of the offensive line, you know,
the coaches down in Georgia and then also Duke Mannyweather's
working with him privately now during this time of year.
He's just gushing about the traits like and about the
talent that Jared Wilson has. So to Paul's point, it's

(58:47):
a younger prospect. He's only twenty one years old. He
only had one year starting at Georgia. Now he's behind
the eight ball with whatever this injury is that's been
holding him out of the springs. So I don't know
if it's gonna be right away, but just based off
of what people glowingly about the trades, just you know,
this guy's got oozing with talent, so at some point
you have to put it all together. But he's definitely

(59:09):
one of their more talented guys.

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Speaker 16 (01:01:38):
It's time now for another episode of Pats from the
Past podcast, where we travel down memory lane with the
former Patriot great and who better to join us today
than Number thirty two CJ. Craig James, the og member
of the Pony Express right along with Eric Dickerson absolutely,
which we're going to talk about because how can you
talk to Craig James without talking about that before.

Speaker 3 (01:01:58):
It's Patriots career and it gets me back to high school.

Speaker 13 (01:02:01):
Matt.

Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
That's great, right, Thanks for joining us.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
This is goin a privilege.

Speaker 17 (01:02:05):
You know, I walk in this stadium and I'm cracking
up because I'm back in the eighties, right, And when
I walked up to Sullivan Stadium, you know, we didn't
have no film room like this, right, weren't even the
thought back then.

Speaker 3 (01:02:15):
Right.

Speaker 16 (01:02:15):
But Craig, you said you were here last June. Explain that.
Why were you here for Tom Brady Day?

Speaker 17 (01:02:21):
Well, I got to get the invitation to come in
for the Brady celebration, which was just remarkable. But I
wanted to see Dante Scarnekia because Scar and I we
were back together at SMU. He was here when I
was playing for the Patriots. He was, you know, like
a legend. He's been here since before Billy Sullivan bought
the team.

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
Right.

Speaker 17 (01:02:38):
Scar's just one of those legendary guys. And I got
a chance to speak with him and see him. But
what a great night that was. I was so proud
to be an alum. What a privilege to be a
part of the Patriots Organization. I sent a handwritten note
to mister Kraft and just said, man, what an awesome
night and a display of the fans. The fans here
in New England showed off last year.

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
Absolutely absolutely. We were really happy with the way that
whole night because a lot of people in the organization
had a lot of thing, a lot, you know, a
lot to do with that. So we felt like that
was a really strong night for the entire organization and
I'm glad that so many you know, alums came back
for that. There was a lot of people from a
lot of different eras that took part in that, and
I think it was a huge success.

Speaker 17 (01:03:18):
Well you know, it's it's like I had a chance
to see Tony Collins and Doug Flutie and a bunch
of my teammates that I had not seen in years.
You know, you have to walk up nowadays, forty years
later and say, hey, Craig James, see who are you?

Speaker 16 (01:03:30):
And I tell you what, Craig, I'm not like you
don't look a little bit different. You look like Craig James.
Maybe so maybe your hair's a little lighter, but that's
about it. I was joking with you before we started
that Eric could give you ten or fifteen steps. I
wonder if there's a half back option play that you know, no,
maybe one that you could do, if you know, pitch
it out there. I think it could probably still get

(01:03:51):
a first down off of that kind of shit.

Speaker 6 (01:03:53):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 17 (01:03:54):
I'd be really good with pregame warm up and if
somebody hit me, I would cry.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
That's funny, Like I said, to kick things off.

Speaker 16 (01:04:04):
I think people here in New England are somewhat versed
on the legend of how it began. But the idea
that two kids who went to high school in Texas
to the best at their position could be recruited and
play for the same college and be so prolific, I mean,
that story never gets old, does it. The Pony Express

(01:04:26):
at SMU with you and Eric Dickerson.

Speaker 17 (01:04:28):
We've been nearly fifty years friends, we love each other,
We're like brothers. And the fact that now we can
look back on it and realize what we did was
really unique. And someone asked me, the media made a
big deal about it. I had won the vincelent Bardi
NFL Offensive Player of the Year the year after Eric
had been the NFL MVP, and they said, how did
two guys go to the same team in Dallas at SMU.

Speaker 3 (01:04:50):
How did that happen? I said it, Well, it was Dallas.

Speaker 17 (01:04:52):
It was Ron Meyer, head coach at the time, a
lot of energy. But it just you know, as Eric
and I say, the Pony Express, we were better to get.

Speaker 6 (01:05:09):
This is my favorite game. I was at this game
as a fan. I was right in back of your bench.
Chargers fans were talking a lot. They went fourteen and
two MVP with Danian Tomlinson kind of a slog throughout
the game, but you guys kept it close enough to
set up this second or last drive here.

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
Yeah that Brady let him on. Yeah, this was. This
is a really good football team San Diego.

Speaker 12 (01:05:29):
I mean we you know, we we had a decent year.
They were they had an exceptional year. And their defense
was extremely talented. Their front was really physical, really good rushers.
You know, this was I mean Merriman was you know,
that was his lights out. Yeah, that was the height
of his career there. And I don't know how many

(01:05:49):
times Tom got hit in this game, but it was
a lot, you know, And and it wasn't that's no
slight on on our guys, and just you know, they
they were I mean you can see them, they're coming,
and they brought it all day. And difficult team to
play and we're on the road, loud stadium, you know.
But I think this is this says a lot about him.

(01:06:11):
He's been hit, you know, a number of times already.
It's the fourth quarter, and he knows he's gonna get
hit right now, you know, but he hangs in there
and waits all the way until Gaffney, you know, is
gonna clear, and then you know, there he goes. He's
getting bumped as he's finishing his throw. And again another
big play to kind of get us moving here late

(01:06:32):
in the game.

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
And this was this is a very gritty performance.

Speaker 3 (01:06:37):
The ability to move in the pocket while never taking
his eyes off off the coverage, off the receivers is
I just think different than than most of the other guys.
I mean, I'm not gonna tell you he's the only
guy that does it, but it's amazing how he's able
to move around and by time without taking his eyes
off the field.

Speaker 12 (01:06:54):
Yeah, and this is a really good example too, of
you know, he sees the owners going over here, so
it's some version of man a man coverage. And he
if you watch his head, he peeks over here just
to check the release of the of the of the
tight end.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
I think this is Watson. He peeks over here.

Speaker 12 (01:07:12):
And if Watson would have got a really clean release
on this, he would have given him the ball.

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
But look how fast his head's already. He's already made
that decision.

Speaker 12 (01:07:20):
He processed information at such a rate of speed that
you know, it allowed you to as an offensive game
planner or play caller, to put a lot of people
into the pattern because he could digest that type.

Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
Of information quickly. And here he is at the end.

Speaker 12 (01:07:37):
You know again a lot of little things right, you know,
it's second and one, so we actually can run the ball.
So he does a great job here. He didn't get
enough credit for this. It was a great playfaker, really
good ball fake, you know, to the back and you
see all the you know, everybody's stepping up. We're trying
to get everybody in the line of scrimmage.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
Well that has a lot to do with Tom in
the back too.

Speaker 12 (01:08:00):
And here's Tom, and you know you can see almost
everybody's you know, outside of the end zone except the
one guy he wants to throw it to again, another
subtle move in the pocket. You know, we don't convert
this if he doesn't move in the pocket and then
make a good throw on the run. But great execution
under pressure and like always already already knowing we got.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
To go for two.

Speaker 12 (01:08:23):
So he's he's moved on from this player already in
Rachet's hardly fucked the ball yet, so you know it
just it's just such a great example of how quickly
he was thinking through each situation in the.

Speaker 3 (01:08:35):
Game and now great moments in history.

Speaker 5 (01:08:45):
I think, is that tub that's in now, it's got
a weigh fifteen pounds.

Speaker 6 (01:08:49):
It's enormous. Did you see that?

Speaker 4 (01:08:51):
That's like a that's like an ice cream strikes.

Speaker 3 (01:08:56):
Okay, I I was trying to cut that off at
the path. I knew that was coming, So I was
going with the mean, the giant jug of ice cream challenge,
you know, like how much can you finish?

Speaker 6 (01:09:08):
Could you finish the whole thing?

Speaker 3 (01:09:10):
Just just know that yes, the answer is a court no.
If I wanted to, yeah, I could. I could handle
a pint if I wanted to the answer is, yes,
I have.

Speaker 4 (01:09:18):
To cut down on my ice cream because it binds
me up.

Speaker 3 (01:09:21):
Yeah. Oh, you came very close. You came very close there.
Ice cream binds him up.

Speaker 6 (01:09:30):
Yeah, I love ice cream. I have to be careful.
It's one of my favorite things.

Speaker 13 (01:09:34):
You are full of it, ice cream and opioids.

Speaker 4 (01:09:36):
I have to be careful.

Speaker 6 (01:09:39):
Yes, theods get ye, I don't respond well to opioids.

Speaker 3 (01:09:44):
Joke about a beautiful.

Speaker 16 (01:09:46):
That's another great moment from all Right.

Speaker 6 (01:09:51):
We're back here on Patriots. Unfiltered emails are rolling in.
You can read some of them.

Speaker 3 (01:09:56):
I suppose, Yeah, why don't you.

Speaker 6 (01:09:59):
I'm hosting, so I get to I definitely.

Speaker 7 (01:10:02):
Gloss over we are.

Speaker 6 (01:10:06):
That was a good thread line. I love I love
the ice.

Speaker 1 (01:10:09):
Cream that work.

Speaker 3 (01:10:10):
It's a great it's a great line. And I'm not
saying that you're wrong for being so amused. I'm just
so it's a freadism, like right as you said it.
Evan just said that's such a.

Speaker 5 (01:10:21):
Threadline, and he's thread line like he just like says
the quiet part out loud like maybe ice cream effect.

Speaker 4 (01:10:30):
No, you don't need to talk about it.

Speaker 6 (01:10:34):
I don't know where that came from uh. We got
an email though from Philippe or sorry, Fiddy Bay and
Rio de Gennaro Brasian. Good job to Paul and Evan
for holding down the Ford on Tuesday. I really enjoyed
the show. I've been waiting for this quieter period in
the news cycle to bring up a question that's been
on my mind for a while. It concerns a point
that comes up repeatedly on p you the idea we
need to wait two or three years to know if

(01:10:56):
the draft class is a good one. In my view,
after two or three years we find out if the
player is good, and that's not necessarily the same as
knowing if the draft pick was valuable. The true value
of the draft pick lies in the player's contributions during
the years he's still on an affordable rookie contract. If
the player becomes a regular contributor after two to three years,
the main advantage is the team's exclusive negotiating rights, which,
considering the current level of competition and player movement, is

(01:11:19):
a modest benefit at best. Would love to hear your
thoughts on it. You guys still feel pretty strongly about that.
Takes a few years to really assess the draft class.
I know Sony Michelle is a great example of a
first round pick who was part of a Super Bowl
winning team and scored some touchdowns and wrote to that
Super Bowl, but ultimately did probably live up to the

(01:11:39):
value of a first round pick. But you got a
Super Bowl that he played a part of. That's where
my head always goes to when we talk about these
arguments about draft value and those kinds of things.

Speaker 4 (01:11:47):
I understand what he's saying.

Speaker 5 (01:11:48):
There's a difference between grating the draft in the moment
based off of the value the pick and you know
where the player was picked versus maybe a consensus ranking
of where the player is supposed to be picked or
something along those lines. I think are two different things,
like how you actually cash in the asset of the
draft pick versus what the player pans out to be

(01:12:09):
or two separate things. To me, it's two separate conversations.
I actually disagree though, with the premise that it takes
two to three years to evaluate a draft, because at
least in my experience, I think you know pretty early
on if a guy's got it or not. Like I
don't think it takes very long even in training camp

(01:12:30):
to realize Christian Gonzales is a dude, Like that guy
moves differently than the other people that are out here
on the field with him. Whereas in my early years
in the Beat, Sony Michelle Nikhil Harry, like there wasn't
the juice that you would expect to see out of an.

Speaker 4 (01:12:51):
Early draft pick.

Speaker 5 (01:12:52):
And I remember Julian Edelman even talking about it a
little bit, and no one he didn't name names, but
just inferring from what he was talking about, I kind
of feel like he was talking about Nikhil Harry when
he was just like this guy was a first round pick,
Like you just didn't really see it. So I understand
that it can go that way where in his rookie
year he has a really good rookie year, and like
maybe mac Jones would be an example of this, since

(01:13:14):
we were just talking about him, where good rookie year
and then it fell off after that. So and therefore
it takes two to three years to evaluate the pick fully.
But I think early on in a lot of NFL players' careers,
you can tell whether or not the guy's got the
talent to be at this level.

Speaker 6 (01:13:31):
Too much to feel a little positive about Travon Henderson
based on those observations for a few ota practices with
no pads and just kind of watching him run.

Speaker 3 (01:13:38):
Yeah, but he can clearly run. But yeah, we haven't
seen anything. But I would agree with Evans's overall assessment.
So I'll let that analysis, you know, the whole like
two three year whatever. Yeah, I mean, do you guys
get off to slow starts and become really good players? Sure,
and vice versa. These guys that make contributions right away
and then they sort of peter out. But what I

(01:14:01):
what I get annoyed with sometimes is to me, the
lack of differentiation between a guy who contributes or you know,
plays in that being considered a good pick. Like, sometimes
guys get opportunities to play and they fill a role
because they're the best a team has at a particular role,

(01:14:23):
and he plays and it's considered a good pick. Well,
was he any good or was he just sort of
fill in space? You know? And I'm not necessarily thinking
about Patriots right now. I'm just saying in general, with
draft picks, I think I think too often someone looks
down and says, well, so and so started, uh, you know,

(01:14:44):
thirty two games the last two years for his teams.
That's a good pick, yeah, but was that was he?
Where was he in terms of the league? And then
the second part of that is like we'll go back
to Nikkill Harry Nikill, Harry was not a good player
for the Patriots, right, So it's a bad pick. I
do think it's also part of his story that so

(01:15:06):
many really good wide receivers were taken right after him.
That makes it an even worse pick. You know, I
think the email it brought up an interesting point. When
you look at draft picks. It's not just like, well,
did you pick a good player that's first and foremost,
but what went around him? You know, did they miss
out on really good players that they could have had,

(01:15:27):
because that makes it much worse. Now, some drafts are
just not all that good. We went down one of
those first rounds a couple you know, a couple of
months ago. I remember we were reading off all the
first round picks and like literally there was like five
guys that were any good in the whole first round.
So if you miss one there, yeah you didn't get
one of the five, But a lot of other teams
didn't get because this wasn't a lot of talent that year.

(01:15:47):
But I do you know, like you brought up the
Sony Michelle thing. I'm sorry if I'm a little obnoxious.
I'm going to go to Alex's. Would you say I
wasn't arrogant? I as a fan, it wasn't it, So
this is probably going to be arrogant. Mike Dussau could
have been the running back and they would have won
that Super Bowl. Okay, Sony Michelle did nothing other than

(01:16:09):
carry the ball into the end zone a few times.
Someone else would have done that. Some other NFL running back,
Ben Jarvis green Ellis could have been the running back
and they would have won the Super Bowl. That's not
why they won the Super Bowl. They didn't win it
because Sony Michelle was just so special as a running back.
You know, there was no difference when he was out
there than Rexburg had, you know. So the fact that

(01:16:30):
the injuries ended up shortening his career, to me, it
wasn't a good pick. He wasn't a great player. I
agree with Evan. There was no juice there.

Speaker 5 (01:16:38):
Yeah, the dynamic ability didn't translate from and maybe it
was injuries and it was the knees and all that,
but he was a Sonny Michelle was touted as like
an Alvin Kamara type, like a dynamic college running back,
and he just didn't have that kind of explosiveness or
juice at the NFL level really from the beginning, and.

Speaker 3 (01:16:56):
Full disclosure, I'll say I missed on it because I
thought I thought there was stuff there. I thought he
had some juice there and he didn't.

Speaker 6 (01:17:03):
Yeah, especially, another angle of it is to look at
it within the context of where the Patriots team was
at that point where they were desperate for good draft picks,
and those you know, seventeen eighteen nineteen, those drafts did.

Speaker 3 (01:17:15):
Really not much and not enough to help them well.
And he contributed. He wasn't like I wouldn't put him
in like Nikhil Harry level of a bust. But I
don't think that was a great first round pick.

Speaker 5 (01:17:25):
In his defense, I would say, though, like they Dean
Lewis had just moved on to Tennessee, they needed a
volume back, and they were at a point in time
with their with the where they were with Brady and
Belichick that they had luxury picks, like they had the
ability at the end of the first round to just
take a draft pick that wasn't necessarily a pillar of

(01:17:47):
the franchise moving forward because that's where they were. So
they also had two first round picks that year. Yeah,
so like it was the second first round pick with
Sony Michelle. So it's like at the point in time
I if I was evaluating that in that prison, like
to the emailer's point of evaluating what like the worth
of the pick versus like how the player panned out.

(01:18:10):
I don't think it was a bad pick in that sense,
because they needed a running back. They needed to fill
a void. They needed to fill have somebody that was
going to eat up carries in their backfield after they
lost Dion Lewis, and they got a guy that did
it at a semi Now, Paul's right, like anybody could
have done it, but they needed somebody and he did it.

Speaker 6 (01:18:29):
And he was the guy.

Speaker 5 (01:18:29):
Yeah, right, so in that respect, Johnny Bravo, Yeah, quick email, look.

Speaker 3 (01:18:35):
That one up, Johnny Bravo, look that one up.

Speaker 6 (01:18:37):
This is from a cartoon network.

Speaker 3 (01:18:38):
What do you think, pretty bunch?

Speaker 6 (01:18:40):
This one's from Georgia. Yeah, I was like, what email
here from Georgia in Maryland? Got to bring it up.
Eighty five My favorite experience happened on December twenty second,
nineteen eighty five, Patriots versus Bengals. I was twelve. It
was my first game, I think, and you're correct. Robert
Weathers scored on touchdown on fourth and one from the
fifty and that sealed it and threw a fifty yard

(01:19:00):
TV to Stanley Morgan. The energy and crave was in
the crowd was insane. They pulled down the goalposts and
carried it out of the stadium and actually got shocked.
Great game to bring up. Yeah, were you were you
there at that game?

Speaker 3 (01:19:12):
No, I do remember everything he's talking about though.

Speaker 6 (01:19:14):
But it's another and another reason why I'm kind of
diving on eighty five. Evan's you know, talked about it.
You know, they had a chance to win the division
in Miami. They went down to Miami, tough back and
forth game, they had a chance to win, they couldn't
get a stop, they ended up losing, and then they
came back and last week of the season, they've got
to beat Cincinnati at home to make the playoffs. And
a lot of the players that I talked to from
that season said that was, you know, one of the

(01:19:35):
best moments of the season of course, the best being
beaten the Dolphins a few weeks later in the playoffs.
But but great email, George. I'm sure that was a
great atmosphere to be around. Let's jump back to the phone.
So though, we got Patty from Agawam. Hey Patty, Hey,
good afternoon, everyone, Good afternoon.

Speaker 9 (01:19:52):
I wanted to get your guys opinion on how many
games do you think they win this year. I know
what the controversy he'll take, especially after Christians call, but
and I'm gonna throw a broad range out there. I
think seven to ten wins is reasonable. Evan I called
in last week on and catch twenty two instead. I'd
be happy with seven wins as long as they don't
start out seven or not when just tank the rest

(01:20:14):
of the year. But I could see them hovering around
five hundred. I'man realistically. I just look at what they
had a talent last year, the lack of coaching experience, coaching,
I mean, and just juxtapose that to this year's coaching staff.
How they're just they just got so much a good experience. Brabel,
you know we've seen in Tennessee. He knows, he knows

(01:20:36):
how to coach, he knows what he's doing. He's a
good situational coach too, So I think double in the
win total over the last two years. You know, I'd
be happy with and I think they could win ten games,
but I'd be happy with seven as long as it
looks good down the stretch. And I want to see
what you guys think. You know, what sort of brain
do you think they win this year?

Speaker 10 (01:20:55):
That's all I got.

Speaker 6 (01:20:56):
I'll take it out there, Guys's Patty.

Speaker 4 (01:21:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:21:01):
Sure, it's like the bled Cell thing. Second season playing
well down the end, wasn't the greatest year.

Speaker 3 (01:21:06):
Second season, first season, ten wins, bro ten wins that
we're helping for fact Street. You can come to eleven's
locker nineties.

Speaker 7 (01:21:14):
As a boy like that.

Speaker 3 (01:21:16):
That's a Teddy Blueski line. Get your fact straight when
you come to fifty four's locker, yelled at.

Speaker 4 (01:21:21):
Yelled at.

Speaker 3 (01:21:23):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (01:21:24):
Email here from Travis and West Virginia. Deuce I wrote
Paul on Tuesday and told him he was a better
host than you, so because he didn't read my email
and changing my mind, you're better. But then again, here
we are forty minutes into the show and you haven't
taken a single call. I read a single email. You're
when I was a boys stories aren't that interesting? Thanks
Travis and Rustgia. I just like to say my defense,
we usually don't take calls and emails. In the first
forty minutes, I.

Speaker 4 (01:21:46):
Found you were kids stories very interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:21:49):
I found your stories boring his help now, I found
I found that interesting. I don't like to take calls
at least for at least a half hour.

Speaker 6 (01:21:59):
Yeah, you set the table is.

Speaker 3 (01:22:01):
If there's like an email that's very topical to something
that we happen to be discussing at the time, then
I'll throw that in there. And I purposely didn't read
that email for obvious reasons because it.

Speaker 6 (01:22:12):
Was nice, because he was fair.

Speaker 7 (01:22:14):
The emails are being forward.

Speaker 6 (01:22:15):
To you right right, Yes, well they were. I could
have warned any time I wanted we had.

Speaker 13 (01:22:20):
Don't blame this on me.

Speaker 3 (01:22:21):
Don't blame this on the What the hell?

Speaker 8 (01:22:23):
I wasn't blaming you necessarily, I was blaming Fred not
being here with the surface it is.

Speaker 3 (01:22:30):
It is a challenge, and I will admit that I
make fun of Fred for it all the time.

Speaker 7 (01:22:34):
Also, Fred's space is out and just will be reading.

Speaker 3 (01:22:38):
It's hard to read the emails and pay attention to
what's being discussed.

Speaker 7 (01:22:42):
It says all the time, I need someone to read them.

Speaker 6 (01:22:43):
For you to talk amongst yourself.

Speaker 5 (01:22:44):
This is why we don't do a lot of emails
on Catch twenty two because it's only the two of us.

Speaker 4 (01:22:48):
So on top of the fact that I.

Speaker 3 (01:22:49):
Would have to plus that would cut into your analysis.

Speaker 5 (01:22:52):
Well yeah, I mean, don't break down two hours straight,
no breaks of just.

Speaker 6 (01:22:58):
Along those lines, Evan I Nate emailed in and it's ps.
He just said tell ev and I apologize for not
calling into the latest Catch twenty two.

Speaker 5 (01:23:06):
I forgive you please, like, don't get thrown out of
school because.

Speaker 7 (01:23:11):
Somewhere vacation.

Speaker 4 (01:23:12):
Oh yeah, it's true.

Speaker 7 (01:23:13):
Nate was on the line, but he hung up.

Speaker 5 (01:23:15):
I'm genuinely worried for that. Nate's teachers one of these
days gonna be like.

Speaker 6 (01:23:18):
They get off the phone.

Speaker 7 (01:23:21):
Just has like an air he has like an air pod.

Speaker 8 (01:23:23):
Like when I was a kid who had the wire headphone,
so I would like wire the headphone through my sleeve.

Speaker 5 (01:23:29):
And like you put the hoodie up and wire the
headphone through the hoodie.

Speaker 7 (01:23:34):
I didn't want to be disrespectful. I didn't wear my
hood in class. But I did. I was. I guess
I was still being disrespectful.

Speaker 3 (01:23:41):
I mean, I did you.

Speaker 7 (01:23:43):
Just like this is very like you would think.

Speaker 6 (01:23:45):
I'm listening to the teacher kids.

Speaker 5 (01:23:48):
You put the earbuds in, and then you put the
hoodie up, and then they don't know that you have
headphones in.

Speaker 6 (01:23:53):
Okay, I know hoodies nobody.

Speaker 4 (01:23:56):
I know you don't know how.

Speaker 6 (01:24:00):
Well, let me read the rest of this email from Nate,
because I think it's right in line with what you
guys are talking about. He said, I apologize for not
calling in to PU. I originally did Collin, but I'm
in a movie theater and the movie is starting, so
I'm taking the silent option of talking to you guys,
and that's an email.

Speaker 3 (01:24:12):
My question is a great movie? Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:24:16):
Tell us what you're seeing, Nat, I hope it's good.
Hopefully I'm getting this in before the previews end. If
it's been forty minutes, you probably still enough time. My
question for you guys is do you think Terrell Jennings
will have an opportunity to fight for a roster spot,
either on the fifty three or the practice squad. Yes,
I know he's someone who has not been mentioned by you.
Guys yet or often. Do you think he has a
chance of fight? I mean, we will. I liked him.
I just like Tew we looked. I thought he ran hard.

(01:24:37):
I think he's a little buried right now. I was
thinking about the running backs, going back to your question Paul,
about what positions you feel good about or what do
you feel concerned about, And I wasn't quite like the
running back group jumped to my mind, but I wasn't
quite ready to like put them in the forefront because
I do have like can Remondre bounce back and fix
some of the ball security stuff. But you know, if
he does and he gets back to the player that

(01:24:58):
he you know, has on flashes of being over at
this early years of his career. You've got Travon Henderson
who I talked about. We're all excited about him, and
I just think Antonio Gibson's that perfect like third back.
You know, he's a professional. He's probably not gonna, you know,
winter lose any games, but I think he's he's you know,
can do both things and can fill in if one
of those guys got hurt. So I'm a little bit
excited about the running back position. But I don't know

(01:25:20):
about Terrell Jennings. It might it might take an injury
for him, as much as I liked watching him play
last summer.

Speaker 4 (01:25:25):
Yeah, you know, my boy Land Larrison is going to
have Larrison.

Speaker 6 (01:25:29):
There you go.

Speaker 5 (01:25:30):
But I agree with your you know now, this as
a hole on the running backs now to be on
maybe on Paul side of the straight a little bit.
It does worry me that they're going to be too
running back centric. I don't want the whole offense to
be run the ball, run the ball and throw swing
passes to Travon Henderson. But on paper, that's probably one
of the better position groups that they have on the roster.
It's the strength of the team. Aaron Andres is still

(01:25:52):
a good player. I know he had the issues last
year with ball security and things like that, but if
they clean up the blocking in front of him, I
think he's going to be a good player for them.
And then Trey Von Henderson I think has a chance
to be a really good player for them. So that
tandem has a really good shot at being a great
tandem together and really complimentary and different skill sets that

(01:26:13):
fit together really nicely.

Speaker 4 (01:26:14):
So I would say.

Speaker 5 (01:26:16):
That's probably the best position group they have on offense
right now.

Speaker 8 (01:26:20):
My question for you guys about that. I feel like
I didn't watch much of Gibson when he was with
the Commanders, but when he came in, I remember reading
like great pass catching back, and I feel like we
didn't really utilize him in that way. It's a great question,
very much, if not at all last year. So do
you think there's even room for improvement there?

Speaker 6 (01:26:38):
Well, I just I wonder if it's going back, is
Josh still interested in having clearly defined roles of this
is our early down horse who's gonna, you know, get
the tough yards, and then we have a receiving back
and that's what we all assumed. Like to your point,
I think he played receiver in college. Yep, you know,
so that was will we assume. But they've gotten away
from that, and I think rightly so, Like I like

(01:27:01):
just the idea of being able to throw it back
out there and it's not, you know, so obvious, but
even James White excelled in that role and showed that
even if it's obvious that you're the passing down back
and that they're going to throw, you can still be
good enough to I.

Speaker 3 (01:27:14):
Think it's about the system. And I think McDaniels wants
to throw the ball to the backs. He's always had that,
you know, whether it was Veren or White or you know,
going back to Kevin Falk, you know, like Danny Woodhead
that they want to throw the ball to the backs.
And I don't think last year. I don't know if
it was because Drake May isn't necessarily a guy who's

(01:27:34):
looking to check it down and throw it to the backs,
or if Alex Van Pelt's system didn't call for it
as much. Yeah, I mean, we can make a debate
about that. I don't you know. I'm not going to
tell you you're right or wrong either way. What I
would wonder about is is it something that Drake May
likes or wants to do, because I know it's something
Josh McDaniels wants to do.

Speaker 4 (01:27:53):
Yeah, we saw it a little bit in the spring.

Speaker 3 (01:27:55):
We saw a good, good amount.

Speaker 5 (01:27:56):
So maybe there's more of that now with mobile quarterbacks
like you are your own checkdown a lot of the time.
So I think that comes into play where a guy
like Drake May might want to just run instead of
checking it down to the running back because he kind
of feels like I can make more yards if I
just take off then versus throwing it to a running
back for a five yard checkdown. So you see that

(01:28:17):
a lot with that style of quarterback that there isn't
as many true checkdowns over the course of his season,
Like I would imagine the amount of times that Josh
Allen has checked the ball down is probably pretty low.
Like he's either looking to throw the ball fifty yards
down the field or he's looking to scramble or extend
the play or something like that, and he's not looking

(01:28:38):
to just take that profit underneath the defense for four
or five yards like Brady would because he can move.
So there's a lot of that element of it too.
But we saw it in the spring where they were
hunting matchups with Travon Henderson specifically, whether it's flexing him
out or out of the backfield and getting him in
linebackers in space and trying to just eat on that.

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So that's different than like checking the ball down. That's
like a part of the play, you know, first read
type of thing.

Speaker 3 (01:29:05):
Yeah, it's not just check downs. McDaniels wants to get
the ball by design to the backs and one of the.

Speaker 8 (01:29:10):
Most memorable plays Drake made was a throw to Ramandre
Stevenson this spring.

Speaker 5 (01:29:14):
So yeah, I mean it's a it's a big part
of that offense. It's not necessarily as big of a
part as the Alex Van Pelter that West Coast offense.
So I think there's a chance that that volume is
up a lot this year.

Speaker 6 (01:29:29):
Good question from Brandon here, Brandon Demain maybe spark some discussion.
Tom Brady was never recognized for having a great arm
or any other physical tools, but I always thought when
watching him he had a top ten maybe even five
to seven arm, especially during the second half of the Dynasty.
Watching Brady throw, he could rip at sixty yards and
put the ball on a line into tight windows. Sure,
a lot of a lot was his mechanics, but he

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had underrated armstring. Since Brady left, we have had a
broken down Cam Newton, mac Jones and Bailey's appeat. None
of them could really well with their arm talent. When
we drafted May I recall many folks raising him for
his arm, not just the mobility and ability to throw
on the move off platform. However, since watching him last year,
I see someone who was more middle of the league
when it comes to arm talent and the ability to
zip the ball into tight windows. What do you all think?

(01:30:12):
Do you see him as a guy with a top
ten or five or seven arm talent strength? Is he
in the middle of the league as I think? Is
he bottom fifteen. I'm actually a big fan and believe
in him as our starting future quarterback. I'm just questioning
what I've heard against what I've seen in regards to
his arm. Very interested to hear your thoughts.

Speaker 3 (01:30:29):
High end arm talent now I disagree on both counts.
I think Brady answered the league not having being considered
to have a great arm, and everybody immediately said his
arm talent was undersold immediately. That was an immediate reaction
to him.

Speaker 6 (01:30:43):
You've said that about your reaction to him in training.

Speaker 3 (01:30:45):
Camp first first training camp, and a lot of people
that wasn't just because it was my observation. I mean
a lot of people said this, he throws the ball fine,
and Drake may can absolutely zip it into tight windows downfield.
I agree with Evan, would you say top five high end?

Speaker 5 (01:31:00):
I don't know if he has like Josh Allen Jordan
Love level where like where those guys like can throw
it like eighty yards Like, I don't know if he's
got that kind of power in his arm, but I
this is a.

Speaker 3 (01:31:13):
Sixty yard in a line thing. Every guy in the
league can do that, Like maybe except for mac Jones,
but everybody can throw the ball. Everybody in the NFL
can throw the ball a long way on a line,
like they have just ridiculous talent. Can you do it
in a tight window? Can you?

Speaker 4 (01:31:29):
You know, can some of those.

Speaker 5 (01:31:32):
She was thrown at Kendrick Born last year on the
backside or just like fitted into a key hole like
that's if that's not a tight window throw.

Speaker 3 (01:31:40):
That's that's what changes them young thing with with well
just about the accuracy. They're little like little flips to
the to the flat, you know, West Coast staple Evan
could probably break it down for twenty five minutes, but
you know how bore you please, Belichick is breaking it
down for us. This is like way back in the
day he used to have the media in for film sessions,

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and he's showing Roger Craig leak out into the flat
on a little timing west you know, third and three,
you know, a snap, a little half roll. Throwers on
the run and it's right on the outside shoulder, so
Craig is catching Montana's pass while turning upfield, getting the
first down by like a yard. Then they show the
same play with Steve Young and that throws a little

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bit more to the middle of the frame to the backside,
causes him to maybe break stride a little bit. Linebacker
comes over and makes the tackle, and Bill says, that
was the difference between Steve Young and Joe Montana.

Speaker 4 (01:32:37):
That's it just that.

Speaker 3 (01:32:39):
They're both Hall of Fame quarterbacks, so it's not like
one of them stunk. But that was the difference. Is
the consistent ability to put the ball exactly where it
needed to be. That's what Tom Brady did elite arm talent.

Speaker 6 (01:32:50):
When Brady would talk about that of like where he's
trying to put the ball, it's I mean, it's exactly
like that. You don't realize how accurate these guys are,
and on the run and with chaos and.

Speaker 3 (01:33:00):
From a velocity standpoint and you know, a power standpoint,
all of that stuff. He was definitely top end, top
of the league, and he was under sold coming out
of college, but that went away quickly when people saw
him actually play.

Speaker 5 (01:33:16):
I'd say This is another semantics argument, but I think
there's a difference between arm talent and power, yes, and
so like I separate those two things than anyone else.
So like, arm talent to me is is like how
many pitches you have, Like can you put touch on
the ball, can you drive the ball? Can you drop

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it in the bucket? Can you you know, throw a
wheel route? And you can just throw those pillowy, feathery
passes right over the shoulder like that. Brady had that
in spades, Like he could make any kind of throw
no matter what you needed, what it needed, whether it
was air under it, whether it's velocity, straight line, whatever,
you could do any of that.

Speaker 4 (01:33:56):
There's a difference between that and Joe.

Speaker 5 (01:33:58):
Milton was just gonna say, Joe Milton could throw the
ball one hundred and fifty yards, but he can't throw
it five right, So like that, arm talent, in my opinion,
is the ability to shift between those two gears, like
like knowing exactly how much weight to put on the ball,
how much power to put on the on the throw,
Like if a guy's standing five yards away from you, you
don't want to throw it one hundred miles an hour

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at his face, you want to give him a nice
soft throw, and Brady was really good at that. I
actually think Drake May has some of that ability, where
like he has some of that tear drop you know,
drop the ball and the and the bucket on a
go route, but he also has that ability to throw
it through a keyhole. And I think those two things
are are very different. But curious, Like, that's a curious

(01:34:38):
email about like thinking Drake May's arm talent's middling, because
I don't see that. I see somebody that has above
average to really go all the rest.

Speaker 3 (01:34:46):
Of the stuff. You could you could question, you know,
based on what you saw in you know one. You know,
we heard all of these different things. But I think
that came as advertised. The arm talent came as advertised.
I agree with that.

Speaker 6 (01:34:57):
F Yeah, you guys are waiting for it. You knew
there'd be a Jaws email that I read, of course, right.
This is Rob in San Diego via Connecticut. Hi.

Speaker 3 (01:35:06):
All.

Speaker 6 (01:35:07):
A while back I wrote in about hiring a lawyer
for a traffic ticket after hearing about Paul's experience. Just
want to follow up and say it worked. The ticket
was completely thrown out, no fine, no traffic school. Nothing
shout out to you, Paul there now for my way
too early? Oh wait, sorry, I don't want to skip
the Jaws question, Jows question. There are Jaws events where
projection screen is set up in the water and people
watch it from boats floats at night. Is that something

(01:35:28):
you'd ever do? No, I would do it.

Speaker 4 (01:35:30):
But I don't not really know.

Speaker 3 (01:35:31):
But I have long I have seen those, but no,
I do not. I do not have any interest in
watching Jaws like from a float inside the water.

Speaker 6 (01:35:38):
Now, if Evan could and credit to Evan, who's really
gone a long way? I mean, when I got my lego,
he thought the Orca was an actual killer whale, and
now he's taking pictures of the Orca, sending us pictures.

Speaker 3 (01:35:48):
So can you see Richard advertise he's at the Harbor
Harbor view god time, like over the weekend?

Speaker 6 (01:35:54):
Who worked with Richard?

Speaker 3 (01:35:56):
That's what we say, Oh Bougie, so Beth and I
students Number.

Speaker 5 (01:36:00):
One hotel with the with the boys with Richard Cross
from Lighthouse Beach.

Speaker 4 (01:36:06):
I didn't know you guys had that.

Speaker 3 (01:36:06):
Kind of we don't. It's like.

Speaker 4 (01:36:14):
You know, never comes doe there.

Speaker 6 (01:36:17):
Quick question also from Rob just if any Patriots alumni
will be at open practices that he went with my
kids last year we got to meet Marcus Cannon, which
was awesome. Yes, there usually are almost always alumni signing.
There'll be players signing after practice, which I think they
brought back last year after a couple of years they
didn't maybe do signings. Maybe that was just a COVID thing,
but but yeah, plenty of alumni around the cheerleaders and

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me sitting. I don't know, I might be getting cut
from the dock at this year.

Speaker 5 (01:36:45):
They cut me from the docket last year because I
was talking too much football, right, They were like, can
you tell Evan to cut down on actually analyzing what's
going on in practice?

Speaker 8 (01:36:54):
They got bar, my nephews are in line for Danny A.
Mondola and than the cheerleaders and they ran off, and
then my cousin was like, do you guys know who
you're standing.

Speaker 7 (01:37:04):
In front of?

Speaker 4 (01:37:06):
The cheerleaders went by and they ran off.

Speaker 3 (01:37:11):
A good point.

Speaker 6 (01:37:11):
Perfect, Let's set out to Vancouver, Canada. Sean, Hey, Sean,
what's going on?

Speaker 1 (01:37:17):
Hey Mike?

Speaker 10 (01:37:17):
I got a couple of things.

Speaker 11 (01:37:19):
So one question I have I remember, yes, Sir Durant
on the team in twenty twenty one, but I don't
remember how he did. I know that he started one
game at right tackle, but does anyone remember what he
looked like any other thing? In terms of my expectations
for this season, it's kind of like Evan, I don't
have any expectations for wins or losses. It's more like

(01:37:42):
how this team is going to look. Is there a
clear path to what they're going to be like in
the future. Do we see something where may is leading
an offense that that's getting better and with a few
more weapons, they actually could contend in the future for
Super Bowl one day. So that's that's the kind of
thing I'm hoping for. Is are we going to get

(01:38:03):
on that pack? So I'll take that offline.

Speaker 6 (01:38:05):
Thanks thought, go pack, Thanks Sean. I get the general
gist of it. I think you feel feeds into what
Paul said, like you just you'll kind of have a
feel for it. Talked about the Philadelphia joint practice where
if you had any illusions that this was the two
thousand and seven Patriots that you were watching last summer
early on, that quickly derailed those dreams.

Speaker 4 (01:38:26):
And we were in Green Bay the year before.

Speaker 5 (01:38:28):
Yeah, there was some juice that I was that very
first practice especially, and I feel like the juice when
I say that, it's always about the offense, right, Like
if the offense had a good day and actually showed
some life, then we were a little bit excited. But
don't you remember Mac Jones to DeVante Parker up the
sideline there in Green Bay and like I was like,

(01:38:48):
oh wow, that was like we won the practice, Like whoa.
I couldn't believe it. Then they won four games, So,
like you know.

Speaker 6 (01:38:57):
I was watching the defense.

Speaker 3 (01:38:59):
This is what I would make fun of them. Alex
would take fun of them. I didn't see it. It
didn't happen.

Speaker 4 (01:39:05):
I didn't see it no day that first practice.

Speaker 5 (01:39:08):
And I always the one like caveat to that is
that there was definitely pressure on the quarterback that they
just kind of weren't counting, like they weren't like stopping
the play, you know, and so he had pressure in
his face and instead of blowing a dead like that
it was a sack, they just kind of let were
letting the play continues. I probably should have put more

(01:39:29):
emphasis on that than I did at the time.

Speaker 3 (01:39:31):
But last year when we watched against Philadelphia, we counted
all those places sacks, yeah, right now, they completed passes
on a lot of those. Yeah, But we said, well
there was like seven sacks on that two minute drive
that went right down the field.

Speaker 5 (01:39:44):
But when they did the you know scrimmage in in uh,
you know, the joint practices in green Bay, the first
day of joint practices, the Patriots won the scrimmage.

Speaker 4 (01:39:54):
They had the better team that day.

Speaker 5 (01:39:56):
And the two seasons could not have been more polar opposite,
Like green Bay was a good team, the Patriots are terrible.

Speaker 6 (01:40:01):
I got the I was watching the defense, of course,
but I got the full Jordan Love experience watching that,
because there'd be throws that you were like, holy crap,
he would, you know, chuck it downfield that Christian Watson
and he'd jump up and make a great play, and
then all of a sudden he'd skymail one like whoa
where was that one?

Speaker 3 (01:40:15):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (01:40:16):
And I think you saw Josh Jacobs coming in last year,
like helped some of those problems, but still some inconsistencies there.
Boston Cream with a surprisingly boring question, normal question, you know,
just uh, and he says, Alex, thank you for joining
these pleaps. After returning from me elevated lifestyle of luxury
you've been upholding this summer when you guys are able,

(01:40:37):
how do you all vacation, relax and take time away
from the team, Because this is the time time away
from to relax, get away even Are you doing anything
special over the.

Speaker 4 (01:40:45):
Next couple of weeks or anything? Nothing at all, anything stretch.

Speaker 3 (01:40:48):
I want to do it for on Tuesday, and he
clearly didn't want to go through, so I let it go.

Speaker 6 (01:40:53):
We'll leave that away. I myself spent a couple of
days up in Maine this week. It was wonderful, got
a little pool time. But I've been telling the guys,
like I'm debating. Usually this time of year, I take
like little pockets of like three four day weekends, but
then I usually come in, try to do the shows,
try to get some stuff done. One Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursdays.
And I'm starting to wonder if I need to take
like a prolonged period to like totally unplug. But right

(01:41:15):
now I kind of like staying a little connected. Come in,
do this show, try to stay sharp.

Speaker 3 (01:41:19):
We do.

Speaker 6 (01:41:19):
You know, we're writing stuff and making training camp preview
videos and those kind of things. So for me, it's
just beach ice cream. Try to get out on the
water as much as possible. You know, that's that's it.
You gotta make it now because once we get going,
it's don't stop till February, right, Paul, Well.

Speaker 8 (01:41:35):
I feel like I haven't stopped. I need like vacations
from my vacations.

Speaker 7 (01:41:41):
Charlotte.

Speaker 3 (01:41:41):
It's tough to be.

Speaker 8 (01:41:43):
I went to Charlotte this weekend. Landed late Sunday night,
woke up at five, went to New York City, got
back for the show today tomorrow.

Speaker 7 (01:41:51):
Night, I'm going to the Cape.

Speaker 3 (01:41:52):
Was in Charlotte.

Speaker 8 (01:41:54):
My best friend since first grade, and like, when I
say best friend, I know there's.

Speaker 7 (01:41:58):
A lot of even best friend.

Speaker 4 (01:42:00):
And since.

Speaker 8 (01:42:04):
She turned thirty and so four of us not a wedding,
but she is getting married. So we did do a
dress fitting for her and actually asked me a bridesmaid.

Speaker 3 (01:42:13):
There was a little bit of an eye roll.

Speaker 8 (01:42:14):
Then no, this is for genuine love. I would never
say a poor thing about this girl or this wedding.
But it was her thirtieth birthday and we surprised her.
We like showed up to a dinner reservation and we
were like, hey, is this seat taken and she lost
her mind and cried and it was fun, but it
was like, I haven't partied like that since college.

Speaker 3 (01:42:33):
Nice, she can do her toast for at the wedding.
For those of you who don't know, I was intricately
involved in.

Speaker 7 (01:42:41):
And I met on the schools.

Speaker 4 (01:42:45):
In New York City, and I still remember when.

Speaker 7 (01:42:48):
We moved to Boston. We moved there together.

Speaker 6 (01:42:53):
Christian just chiming in on the Patch Chargers six game.
What a game all timer for sure. I remember Brady
postgame seeing everything they tried on offense didn't work. They
basically knew they had to scrap the game plan after
the first drive, kept trying different things throughout the game
to generate offense. Crazy how good those Charger teams were
by the way they were loaded. However, with Shottenheimer and
then north Turner leading them, they just never had a
shot LOI yeah, I mean Ladinian Tomlinson was just six

(01:43:16):
seven yards of carry. He just was such a handful
to deal with, catching the ball out of the backfield,
anything in space, you know. I Vrabel had one tackle
on him where he just like hit his leg. I
mean he would have been gone. It just felt like
they were holding on Patriots that whole game like they
you know, like they so often did, and then you know,
you just you give yourself a chance to make a

(01:43:37):
play down the end, and there you go. Keep going
through these emails. Wedding talk Mitch and Saratoga. I was
at a wedding this past weekend in the Native honor
started her speech out for those of you who darn't
know me, couldn't help but chuckle out loud, which resulted
it's dirty locks in my direction. I know how it
should be disappointed.

Speaker 3 (01:43:57):
That's great, that's perfect, it's great. Email was there.

Speaker 15 (01:44:00):
That's what they do.

Speaker 6 (01:44:03):
Another one Kyle from Pembroke. As I continue to just
crush these emails, Travis and all.

Speaker 3 (01:44:07):
Right, good afternoon.

Speaker 6 (01:44:09):
My favorite moment was the first preseason game of Mac
Jones rookie year. My best friend and I tailgated had
a great time in the two hundreds, and the atmosphere
of hope was intoxicating. I remember in the fourth quarter
the crowd was chanting we want Mac because we were
down one score, and when a rookie Stevenson took a
last second sweep for a long touchdown to win the game, the.

Speaker 3 (01:44:25):
Crowd went wild.

Speaker 6 (01:44:27):
Great experience, and even though the mac Era didn't go well,
I still remember that moment of hope and excitement.

Speaker 4 (01:44:33):
Washington in the Giants preseason.

Speaker 6 (01:44:35):
Yeah yeah, Vermandre had Like you said, it was the
first preseason.

Speaker 5 (01:44:38):
It was like a seventy yard touchdown. I remember down
the sideline.

Speaker 6 (01:44:41):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:44:42):
Cont recall no preseason game, Jesus.

Speaker 4 (01:44:47):
Yeah tough. Let's get you to a regular season game.

Speaker 3 (01:44:50):
You know, I'm I'm psychotic, but I'm not that same.

Speaker 7 (01:44:54):
I was gonna say, you remember everything else.

Speaker 4 (01:44:56):
But I went to preseason games all the time. I
loved it.

Speaker 5 (01:44:58):
I'd sit up there with the foster my binoculars taking notes.

Speaker 6 (01:45:02):
This quarter, Evans's like, we gotta leave, we gotta go out,
and He's like, I.

Speaker 3 (01:45:09):
Mean, I just have to cut dad.

Speaker 6 (01:45:11):
It's just getting good. The four fingers are going in.
We're gonna find the gems.

Speaker 3 (01:45:15):
So I'm like to separate the boy.

Speaker 5 (01:45:19):
That way all sports and like when the like the Celtics,
like when they cleared the bench and they get to
stay ready crew in there, Like my dad's like, all right,
got you ready to go? And I'm like, what do
you mean? J? D. Davidson's playing like, I got to
see how he does. Baylor's out there.

Speaker 7 (01:45:31):
Begging for taco.

Speaker 4 (01:45:32):
Yeah, yeah, He's like, can you please get it? Can
we please?

Speaker 3 (01:45:34):
A little different when they're actually guys that are on
the team, the guys that are playing those preseason games. No,
his car wash all stocks and did the binoculars.

Speaker 4 (01:45:43):
I had the popcorn, and this gunner old Chewsky. I'm
telling you, yeah, this guy's got a chance.

Speaker 3 (01:45:48):
He'll be out of the league in two years. I
promise time for us.

Speaker 6 (01:45:51):
To provide a little help. Now for THEO and Fraser,
who are apparently in driver's they're big fans of the
show and they just want to know. If you see
a moose in the middle of the what should you do?
A slow down but still hit the moose. Be hit
the moose. See see stop and maintain a one hundred
foot distanced stop close to the moose. Nice little freshure
on the rules. Anybody I don't have.

Speaker 4 (01:46:11):
To do with the moose stops stop us, stop immediately,
don't hit the.

Speaker 6 (01:46:15):
Mood, don't hit the moose.

Speaker 7 (01:46:16):
If you hit the moose, you might die.

Speaker 6 (01:46:18):
The moose will kill you. Moose wins every time.

Speaker 3 (01:46:21):
A lot of a lot of deer on the road.
There has been lately three different ones beut there for
a while.

Speaker 7 (01:46:27):
My friend just brought this up in Charlotte. She was like, guys,
I have a weird question.

Speaker 8 (01:46:30):
We're like having dinner on a beautiful rooftop and she's like,
have you guys noticed more roadkill on the road this year?

Speaker 7 (01:46:35):
And we're like, what are you talking about, Jackie.

Speaker 6 (01:46:38):
That was my biggest takeaway from driving through Iowa. When
I came cross country. It was just carnage on the highway.
Like every half mile or so, there was a deer
that just exploded being after being hit by a truck
and like they don't I mean, you're not gonna stop,
you just boom. It's bloody carcass on the side of
the road. But Iowa, I don't why.

Speaker 3 (01:46:53):
I don't know that great uplifting stories. Thanks thanks guys.

Speaker 6 (01:46:56):
Bloody car I mean I hit a deer one when
blood flows a high and Sharon, I hit a deer
coming home one night and I called the police just
to tell him because the deer was lying in the
middle of the road. And the guy came and he
put a bullet and the things had to put it out.
It's misery and then the thing like I got up
a second later, He's like, oh he went back.

Speaker 3 (01:47:13):
I was looking at my tail and.

Speaker 6 (01:47:14):
He just like unloaded the clip. I mean, like three
more shots in the head. It came back, just suffered, suffering.
I've never seen one like that before. Christian knows what
I'm talking about. It and then then he pulls out
like his list and he's got just a list of
guys ready to come take the meat off the road.

Speaker 5 (01:47:33):
And so it was.

Speaker 6 (01:47:34):
It all worked out fine, but that deer yeah took
took quite a few put it down Elf from Wisconsin
chiming into about our Showdown conversation, I like it or not.
I think the quality of the team has something to
do with becoming a fan growing up where I did
my entire fandom in Chicago. Teams except for the Patriots
championships were an icing on the cake, but the Bears
were just not enjoyable to watch in the least. So

(01:47:55):
I picked a team that was fun and on national
TV a lot. Maybe Fred should be here to chime
in on this one. On that seems kind of a
department of rooting for teams that are good.

Speaker 3 (01:48:05):
Ready until next Tuesday, whoever time is in the given
league is Fred's favorite. I lived everywhere.

Speaker 4 (01:48:15):
What are we doing?

Speaker 3 (01:48:16):
All right?

Speaker 6 (01:48:16):
So this is Jay in Minnesota. He's got a would
you rather a tough one? A Tuesday show and hearing
all the garbage would you rather questions?

Speaker 3 (01:48:22):
I have one for you.

Speaker 6 (01:48:24):
Would you rather to give up kissing for the rest
of your life? Or give up sauces?

Speaker 3 (01:48:29):
What?

Speaker 7 (01:48:30):
Kissing or sauces?

Speaker 3 (01:48:31):
Now that's good?

Speaker 6 (01:48:36):
What are the merried guys in their vistas? I'm going
kisses there, bro, I love you, but I love me
some sauces, the suitings.

Speaker 3 (01:48:46):
Buffalo barbecue. Honey, you guys are you can't?

Speaker 6 (01:48:51):
You can't give up on kissing just yet?

Speaker 4 (01:48:52):
I played the fifth.

Speaker 5 (01:48:54):
There's no good answer for me there because she she
cooks it and partakes in both things. So like, which
one do I say, either insult their cooking or the
other one? You've played the fifth?

Speaker 6 (01:49:05):
Buffalo sauces good stuff. Isaac checks in on a good season.
I'd been over the moon to get eight to ten wins,
six to seven, I'd feel they're turning the corner and
started to become the new England Patriots.

Speaker 3 (01:49:15):
I know in love.

Speaker 6 (01:49:16):
Thank you guys for always keeping me in the loop
with the Patriots. I think you boil it down generally.
That's kind of how it feels.

Speaker 3 (01:49:22):
It's back to Evans thing too. The way it unfolds
it will tell you a lot about how you feel.

Speaker 5 (01:49:28):
I mean no disrespect anybody could, but can we retire
the wins prediction questions like I'm sorry, we'll see okay.

Speaker 3 (01:49:35):
Well, if you've noticed, I don't really answer it very often.

Speaker 5 (01:49:38):
Yeah, I'm not trying to throw shade it at our listeners.
I love our listeners, but it's just like we you.

Speaker 4 (01:49:42):
Counter with, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:49:43):
I don't have in the last two years, right, that's
I just don't have a different answer, like it's the same,
Like it's the same answer since the schedule came out,
like they they're right there.

Speaker 6 (01:49:53):
That's some Christian clap back too, of course, Paul, please
don't let Christian from La speak for all fans. If
he thinks ten wins would be a bad, bad season,
he is truly as moronic as everyone thinks. I would
be ecstatic for a ten win season. That would be
a hope for our future. I don't expect the super
Bowl this season, or even a playoff win. I expect
taking advantage of bad football, like our head coaches said, Man,
that's probably a good place to put your expectations.

Speaker 3 (01:50:15):
But more importantly, you need to play less bad football
than you have. Yeah, it's one thing to take advantage
of the other team's mistakes, but you have to stop
making the mistakes too.

Speaker 4 (01:50:24):
Or just like you know, move the ball consistently at all.

Speaker 5 (01:50:27):
Yeah, Like it's it's not even just that they were
making mistakes over the last couple of years.

Speaker 4 (01:50:31):
They also just been like kind of an eppt on offense.
Like it's not a combination.

Speaker 6 (01:50:36):
No, I mean, the bottom of the league. There's no
way to really sugarcoat it. Everything kind of backs it up,
but just makes those days of I mean, for me,
since I got here, you were I know, well that
one Miami game where you know, they got Antonio Brown
and it was like, oh my god, this is you
know seven again, Like it just felt like and then
that season was a slow descent into into one of

(01:50:58):
the worst Patriots teams that you've had recent memory. For
whatever reason, if they had.

Speaker 5 (01:51:02):
Kept Antonio Brown on the rails, they would have won
the Super Bowl. I stand by that, like they were.

Speaker 6 (01:51:07):
Would they have still gotten Mohammed Sanu.

Speaker 3 (01:51:09):
I don't think that team was very good. I mean
they went twelve and four. I mean not very good
for the for the Alex arrogant fans standards, not for
today's standard. They would have.

Speaker 5 (01:51:21):
Tonio Brown still had something in the tank, definitely, and
they would have had him, They would have had Edelman,
they would have had a decent defense, and they would
have Brady obviously.

Speaker 6 (01:51:29):
Well, I mean by by DVA that was one of
the best Patriots defenses of all time. But that's like
the context thing you talk about, which I think is
such a worthy deep dive. And as I've done my
eighty five research, I found from Aaron Shots that the
eighty five team was I believe the the fourth fourth.
I think it was the fourth, Yeah, fourth, that's d
v A by that metric, you know, which just measures

(01:51:50):
efficiency and that it's not really a whole lot of
human grading going on.

Speaker 3 (01:51:54):
Was kind of result, but it really wasn't.

Speaker 7 (01:51:55):
But it was no receiving court was just like so stacked.

Speaker 13 (01:51:59):
They played a good team like Baltimore went through them
that that Monday night game, like they was not even
on the field.

Speaker 4 (01:52:07):
But it was also a terrible matchup, Like, they didn't
do well.

Speaker 3 (01:52:10):
It was talent against no talent.

Speaker 4 (01:52:12):
Well, they didn't do.

Speaker 5 (01:52:13):
Well against those types of offenses and those types of quarterbacks.
Towards the end with Bill and and so that Baltimore
team killed them. No, there's no doubt about it. It
was not a close game. But I just feel like
if you had given Brady Antonio Brown, even at the
back end of his prime, was still a little bit
left in his.

Speaker 3 (01:52:29):
They certainly would have beaten Tennessee in that playoff.

Speaker 4 (01:52:31):
I think they would have just as good as their.

Speaker 3 (01:52:35):
Points they score. Yeah, and I think the eighteen Super
Bowl was kind of fluky. I don't think they were
the best team in football in eighteen.

Speaker 4 (01:52:44):
Kansas City probably was. Yeah, Homes I just think was
not not quite ready. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:52:52):
Now it makes up for you know, back to Mike's
childhood days, and it's reminiscing like oh six, it was
completely league self inflicted wounds. You intentionally allowed David Gibbons
to leave in free agency and then played hardball with
Dion Branch So you left Brady with absolutely nothing on offense,

(01:53:12):
and you still got to the final possession of the
AFC title game in a game that I know that
I make fun of fans, but I'll do the same
thing that you guys always do. They absolutely would have
beaten the Chicago Bears in the Super Bowl games that
they never played in. I know they're undefeated.

Speaker 5 (01:53:28):
They would not have lost to the Bears in the
six Super Bowl. So what you're saying is they actually
have seven rings completely completely.

Speaker 3 (01:53:34):
Don't forget twenty fifteen because but I'm just saying, yes,
the fifteen team they should have. They should have beaten
Denver in that game. They shouldn't have lost to the
shell of Peyton Manning. But that defense was that defense
was legit.

Speaker 6 (01:53:50):
Yeah, it was a legit defense. I mean, we talked
about it already.

Speaker 3 (01:53:53):
That was But I look at the six team was
completely self inflicted. That didn't have to happen. They didn't
have to go in with their hands tied behind their
back the way they did. That was a super Bowl lost.
And that makes up for the one that you kind
of stealed in eighteen with a team that probably was
was great but on fumes and they steal another one.

Speaker 6 (01:54:14):
It's like I said to you, even with the on
branch that team, it was still it felt like a
disservice to Tom Brady, who had won three Super Bowls,
and you know, you could see that the paradigm was
starting to shift a little bit. And then that season
it seems like woke them up to the fact of like, yeah,
you can't do that, Like the what do you do?

Speaker 9 (01:54:30):
What?

Speaker 3 (01:54:31):
We went responts?

Speaker 6 (01:54:31):
They went outside at first.

Speaker 3 (01:54:33):
It was like Dante Stalwarts, Wyle Brady, you know, Kelly Washington,
Like they went out and got a bunch of guys
to add weapons to the offense. Oh, by the way,
they ended up with the best offense of all time. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:54:46):
And meanwhile in that game, you're watching Jabar Gaffney, who
was acquired I think off waivers mid season. You have
like nine ten catches, huge play, I mean touchdown.

Speaker 3 (01:54:54):
That made up for the Doug Gabriel experience.

Speaker 6 (01:54:56):
Cabriel who again that was got somebody they brought in early,
which seemed like the reac too. We just had to
trade Deon Branch. We need to get a body in here,
and you brought in down Gabriel and I think they
blasted the Vikings, like you know, shortly thereafter, and it
made you briefly think that that they were on track.
But yeah, it's just interesting how how it all goes
over twenty long years. Jack and and Armor just reminded

(01:55:16):
us to Sony Michelle is a bad pick, not because
he was not very talented, because you injury prone. And
also the better pick would have been Nick Chubb. To
your point, Paul, the people who were drafted around these players,
this was his college teammate went on to a better career,
and I think he just did. He just signed with Houston, Houston,
right right, all right?

Speaker 3 (01:55:34):
I think I think Houston, don't.

Speaker 5 (01:55:37):
I don't know the whole thing like that to be
his revision as history. Like I think when going into
that draft, Michelle and Chubb were a coin flip, like
there was there was Michelle people and there was Chubb people,
and I don't think that that was are But you're
paid to get it right.

Speaker 4 (01:55:52):
They're paid to get it right.

Speaker 3 (01:55:53):
That's what I'm saying. But like I said earlier, Michelle
that I missed on that one too. I liked Michelle,
and I thought that Chubb was kind of a plotter
and Michelle had the juice. Turned out to be the
other way around. But you get paid to know that.

Speaker 5 (01:56:07):
Everybody thought that everybody thought that that Chubb was going
to be an early down work horse first and second
down back, but not overly dynamic, and Michelle was going
to be a pass catcher and versatile and all that
kind of stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:56:19):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:56:19):
I just with the information that we had at the time.
It was a coin flip, and they flipped the coin
in the wrong direction.

Speaker 6 (01:56:25):
So Dan and Virginia and Michigan. Clarifying, salt and pepper
referred to not just Paul and Evans respective hair colors
and Paul's love of music, but also and primarily the
occasional snarky nature of both of them. If we extend
this condiment theme nickname to include Deuce and Alex, I
guess they could be ketchup and Mustard, but I'll leave
you to decide which is which.

Speaker 3 (01:56:51):
Alex is Mustard. She's got a little more horse radish,
like horse radish. She's more spicy horse radish.

Speaker 6 (01:56:57):
On a nice cut of beef. You're just Mayo, buddy,
You're probably right.

Speaker 8 (01:57:05):
Crush, red pepper, paprika, timely conoments.

Speaker 4 (01:57:12):
You're right, that's true, right, Italian seasonings, smoke.

Speaker 3 (01:57:17):
It is correct.

Speaker 7 (01:57:18):
Is a collection of spices.

Speaker 5 (01:57:21):
I like Italian seasoning. I don't know just is called
Italians good mix a mix.

Speaker 7 (01:57:25):
Of spices together in one seasoning.

Speaker 6 (01:57:28):
I got a wonderful spice mix from Costco that it's
basically just salt, pepper, garlic. But I've been putting it
by the way.

Speaker 7 (01:57:36):
You have Costco. He's converted.

Speaker 6 (01:57:38):
Yeah, it happen invented. Were just a big box family.
Oh my gosh, every I don't have to buy toilet
paper for the next like two years.

Speaker 4 (01:57:51):
Yea Costco Costco.

Speaker 6 (01:57:55):
That's true. The chickens, the roast chickens. Everybody already knows
about that. They're great. That I got to Alex because
this is you gave me a life changing tip one time,
and I just want to share it with the PEU
audience because it's been amazing. It's changed my life with
chicken breasts, and that is cutting them vertically, yes, instead
of horizontally.

Speaker 7 (01:58:12):
Yes, so much more tender.

Speaker 6 (01:58:14):
It's so much more tender. Cut them vertically, like, Okay,
you're making and you have the breast like breast like this,
cut it along the.

Speaker 7 (01:58:25):
Lead, put it the long way so you have like
then pound it out.

Speaker 3 (01:58:28):
Yeah, it's it's I know.

Speaker 6 (01:58:32):
All you do is. I just take the spice Rabbi
costco and so little olive oil, throw it in the
air fire, get a little bit well, not overdone because
your chicken brest dry out. But I love it. I
can't eat it enough.

Speaker 4 (01:58:44):
In the steak when you like you cut it like that,
because there's like.

Speaker 6 (01:58:47):
You want to cut like a brisket. You want to
cut like.

Speaker 4 (01:58:51):
Right, yeah that's like.

Speaker 6 (01:58:52):
But now we're just doing I'm telling you people, if
you make chicken breasts, that's the way to go excellent.

Speaker 8 (01:58:57):
Like if you're making chicken cutlets, you have to do
it that way, cut the long way, and then pound
it out.

Speaker 7 (01:59:03):
I don't even like pound it out with a pounder.

Speaker 6 (01:59:05):
I just like he did the finger to you.

Speaker 3 (01:59:08):
You just gave me the finger, the Italian finger. I
don't know why that's okay, And I'm just supposed to
take it. I can't go to hr. You got to
give you the fingers. You got the cutlets? You get
someone and get you.

Speaker 4 (01:59:23):
Don't put too many onions in the sauce.

Speaker 3 (01:59:26):
Too much garlic.

Speaker 7 (01:59:28):
Thing is too much garlic?

Speaker 6 (01:59:30):
There is that's where to God right there?

Speaker 3 (01:59:35):
Well you can ruin it?

Speaker 6 (01:59:37):
Do we make it?

Speaker 3 (01:59:37):
Did we do it.

Speaker 6 (01:59:38):
I think we did it. Every email we give.

Speaker 3 (01:59:42):
That's okay, Evan and I took carry you.

Speaker 6 (01:59:44):
I'm giving you here to get out.

Speaker 4 (01:59:46):
No NBA draft talk though, No NBA draft.

Speaker 6 (01:59:48):
Cooper and Cooper Flag. Congratulations Cooper.

Speaker 7 (01:59:52):
I saw Cooper flag at my LA fitness once. He
just yeah, jama pants at the Spring Delay Fitness.

Speaker 3 (02:00:00):
That's cool.

Speaker 7 (02:00:01):
I don't know why he might have been there for,
like ooopaul or something. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (02:00:05):
Just just figured it out yesterday.

Speaker 3 (02:00:06):
It's a good player player played against Will should have
been really he take him to the whole. He didn't.
He didn't take it all that seriously in the summer.
I guess the story was like instead of playing with
like the elite teams like in the summer, he liked
to play with his friends. Oh yeah, yeah, And this
was like one of those.

Speaker 6 (02:00:23):
Up on the local town teams Old Orchard Beach.

Speaker 3 (02:00:26):
It was nice. There you go, fun weekend.

Speaker 6 (02:00:27):
Congratulations Cooper. We're all proudy here in New England. And
maybe make your way to the Celtics someday. We'll see.
But that's gonna do it for us here, Patriots Unfiltered.
Fred will be back next week. And enjoy your summer weekend.
We'll be back see you next Tuesday.

Speaker 3 (02:00:41):
Hey, this is Deuce.

Speaker 6 (02:00:42):
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Speaker 3 (02:00:54):
Thanks a lot.

Speaker 11 (02:01:03):
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