Patriots Unfiltered 7/15: Biggest Training Camp Storylines and Positional Battles to Watch For

Tune-in as we preview the top storylines and positional battles we’ll be monitoring when Training Camp kicks off.   Plus, a few season predictions as well as a wide variety of offseason hot topics.

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Speaker 5 (00:19):
Like, I don't understand how a child or a dog
doesn't have a home. We all, well, most people, except
for Paul have a sauce spot.

Speaker 4 (00:27):
For these dogs. You know, Bridget moynihan also older than Tom.
I would think so.

Speaker 6 (00:33):
If if at that point she was older, she's older now,
So you know what Paul shows, right, Sometimes they just
drive me crazy there It is good one.

Speaker 4 (00:44):
Hey, you're in North Carolina.

Speaker 7 (00:45):
Did you happen to drive past the Drake May passing
camp that fulls over.

Speaker 4 (00:50):
Like on the side of the road. Hey, y'all you
got no receivers? Yell at bombs?

Speaker 3 (00:53):
Alright?

Speaker 4 (00:58):
You think we'd get flagged on YouTube if we tried
to do that waterboarding each other in the studio.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
I'll try it.

Speaker 4 (01:04):
If he waterboarded, Paul would diet pepsi. He would just
take it in. He would be like, yeah, like heaven,
I gonna put it up my nose. It doesn't matter,
it's diet pepsi. I'll take it any hole. I can
get It would be so cool.

Speaker 5 (01:19):
If they just ran out in new uniforms and no
one had any idea.

Speaker 4 (01:22):
Paul wouldn't even notice.

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Speaker 7 (01:34):
It is Tuesday here at Jillette Stadium and we are
a week in a day away from the first public
practice for training camp.

Speaker 4 (01:46):
Can wait or can't wait?

Speaker 2 (01:49):
I can't wait for the season. Yeah, I can always
wait for the starting camp.

Speaker 8 (01:53):
I get excited for that first, like, hey, we're here,
and then all right, let's get the pads, and then
all right, let's get the preseason.

Speaker 4 (01:59):
But I can get excited.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
I get checked up when the season starts. That that
you know, the kickoff, that Thursday night kickoff. I always
look forward to that game. And then week one.

Speaker 4 (02:08):
Yeah, but well it's it's Paul, this is Deuce's time.
It's Paul and color coordinated.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
Look, not only is the same color, but both polo
shirts just nice.

Speaker 4 (02:19):
We thought it extent our tans from vacation.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
I was going to initially apologize for missing shows last week,
but evidently I was the topic of the.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
Show, Well, whoever's not here?

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Seventeen references to whoever's not here?

Speaker 3 (02:32):
Is the topic of the show?

Speaker 5 (02:34):
Alex in matter in the booth, it's me is Alice
coming down at some point?

Speaker 3 (02:39):
Or is she busy?

Speaker 4 (02:40):
She's busy right now, but maybe we'll be grace with
her presents. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
Okay, nice?

Speaker 4 (02:45):
All right?

Speaker 5 (02:46):
So yes, like I said, a week in, a day
away from the first training camp. On the eighteenth, quarterbacks
and rookies will be here. Uh so that's this Friday.

Speaker 8 (02:57):
Probably start getting like some pup stuff of who's healthy,
a lot of number of players that were limited during
the spring. Who's ready to go? I think that's a
great question. I mean, Jared Wilson, mac Hollins, you know.

Speaker 4 (03:09):
A couple off the top citys Stefan Diggs. Oh, that's
that's a good one about him, that guy.

Speaker 8 (03:15):
But that's I think always the first thing that that
kind of drops. All right, who's not quite ready to go?
In the past, you speculated maybe they didn't pass the
conditioning test. I don't know if that's still a thing
around here with Rabel that's how it works, but that'll
be the first.

Speaker 4 (03:30):
Thing to drop. Probably the end of this week.

Speaker 8 (03:31):
I think usually guys report back, they get checked out,
and then you find out who's not quite ready to
go yet.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
So yeah, because I think injured guys would be in
that quarterback rookie kind of group right right, have existing
injuries check.

Speaker 8 (03:43):
And I mean July to Bay another one who got
hurt his calf and was out then missed the rest
of the spring. So a number of interesting guys that
that should be competing for jobs that we'll see what
their health status is.

Speaker 5 (03:53):
First thing, yep, Okay, I got a box delivered to
my office today.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
I said, what the hell is this?

Speaker 2 (04:00):
It was soap and noo.

Speaker 4 (04:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (04:04):
So with all the soap talk that we have here, uh,
Steve Ross decided to send us some soap. He owns
an operator Willow Mountain Distributors in uh Brute and Alabama,
which my father in law was from home to Fred's
wife and family. I listened to Fred's rent on soap

(04:25):
bits and had to send some samples. We manufactured distribute
soap all over the US. Hope you enjoy them. I
would be really nice to hear how you like them
and how Alex liked them in particular.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
Sure, I guess Alex is a big user of soap.

Speaker 4 (04:39):
IM Like, I'm like, you gotta just keep smelling it now.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
Yeah, so that's Willow Mountain Distributors.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
Okay, so thank you for that, Stephen.

Speaker 8 (04:50):
It's like the soap came with a nice little pocket
as well that we can put the soap in.

Speaker 4 (04:54):
I'll give it a world.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
Yeah, to give someone a blanket party soap, little pocket.

Speaker 4 (05:00):
Hour back to thanks for the soap. Appreciate that. That's
a good stuff.

Speaker 8 (05:05):
I love when fans send us things like which McCall
it's and soap?

Speaker 4 (05:08):
Yeah, random cars not wizards.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
Yeah, so okay, sponsorships, So what else have we got
going on?

Speaker 5 (05:17):
It's really a dead time. That's why baseball has their
All Star game.

Speaker 9 (05:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (05:21):
Yeah, well I had a nice weekend on the Cape.
Oh that's when we start off with a little funny story.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
I got a little funny sky funny story.

Speaker 4 (05:28):
Can I do a funny story?

Speaker 2 (05:29):
Fred's not happy that we don't have to.

Speaker 4 (05:31):
I might have to protect in a little bit. Uh.

Speaker 8 (05:33):
So, my my stepdad, I called my stepdad, but you
know I got married when I was like forty, So
this is my stepdad. It's got a boat Si sue
At Harbor, Fred, you know that spot. My son loves
to fish and to take us out fishing. One day,
so we're walk down to Si Suet Harbor. They got
to put the boat in, so we're waiting for them
to put the boat in. And as they put the
boat in and they put it into the slip, you know,
Don's getting it ready, showing my son some stuff, and

(05:54):
I'm kind of just sitting there getting ready to show
ship off. Now as I'm doing this, I notice a
family four people walk down the dogs to go to
their boat. And the first thing I noticed is like
they have a big box of something like something that
they're like taking care.

Speaker 4 (06:07):
Of, and I'm like, what's going on here?

Speaker 8 (06:08):
And then I noticed a couple of people holding flowers,
and so my mind, I'm just sitting at the front
of the boat holding it and I'm like, here we go.

Speaker 4 (06:13):
I'm like, I think this might be be an ASHES starance.

Speaker 8 (06:17):
So right does I make the realization that this might
be an Ashes ceremony. My good friend Dawn, who's having
the time of his life, cranks the opening to Life
in the fast Lane. He is blasting life in the
fast Lane, just loving life so happy, so excited to
go on the boat, and I'm looking at these people
who look very somber right next door getting a full blast.

Speaker 4 (06:42):
I didn't know what to say.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
And then the final line is we're pulling out.

Speaker 4 (06:46):
Was he looked over to this, you guys going off
for a joy ride?

Speaker 2 (06:49):
Ah? So I was in I was in my own head.

Speaker 4 (06:55):
I'm like, oh.

Speaker 8 (06:56):
Man, yes, yes, especially when you think of the intensity
and the aggressiveness of the life and the fast lane
guitar riff. It's just it's especially at ten am on
a Saturday morning, it's just it hits hard.

Speaker 4 (07:08):
So that was that was kind of funny moment for
me there this weekend. It's the sue at Harbor, those
poor people. Hopefully it all went well. You know, my condolences.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
I will to Mike that that was a funny little staty,
a little quip.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
Then, you know, one of those curb your enthusiasm type stories.

Speaker 4 (07:23):
I just you know, you get in your own head
and you're like, what do I do? I mean, it's
the same thing when I'm in the movie theater.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
Friend, I know what I know. I know he was
and he was so happy, and he just he probably
wasn't paying attention to that.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
It's not like it's not like in the middle of
the water he pulled.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
Up right, but it was.

Speaker 8 (07:43):
It was so in my own head of like I'm
you know, at the end of the boat, just seeing
on the dock, run ready to help him shift out.
And as soon as I realized that, the music just
cranked and.

Speaker 4 (07:53):
It was funny. So yeah, that was my weekend. Great
weekend on the cape though. Love love that place.

Speaker 8 (07:57):
It's not summer till I get down there and get
some ice cream, get a fish sandwich and ran into
a member of our of our content team down there randomly,
So that was good, good.

Speaker 4 (08:05):
Weekend for me. Good to break battery is charging up,
ready to go.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
Okay, who'd you run into down then?

Speaker 8 (08:11):
Julian Jeels she was getting in line for a lobster role.
Well she was supposed to get on the boat. She
was in the wrong spot. But you know, another random one,
same place that I saw Jyalen Hawkins last year. So
I guess it's the place to be if you're out
the It's a cool spot. Tough to get in and
out of, it is. Yeah, bring your cash, you're gonna
need it.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
Playing a lot of golf ball.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
I played some golf in my week off.

Speaker 4 (08:38):
What would you say? What do you shoot?

Speaker 2 (08:40):
I shot an eighty eight. That's good. On that's good.

Speaker 4 (08:44):
Last Tuesday, I agreet you could play with anybody absolutely.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
I played nine on Sunday, did not play as well.
I didn't keep score, but I had a couple of doubles.
So I didn't play as well as I did on Tuesday.
But I'm working on some things, trying to work some
sort of tigering my swing a little bit. Now I'm
trying to like I'm having problems with with some of
my irons, like approach shots, and like everybody else, I'm

(09:10):
watching too many videos in your own I'm like, well,
this is what I think I'm doing wrong. So I
actually played on Sunday and then I asked Will if
he wanted to go to the driving range. So I
was like, Scheffler, you know, after my round, I had
to go to the driving range to work on some things.
So I was sort of trying to adjust where my
hands are on irons, and I felt like at the
driving range, surprise, surprise, it was much better. Right, We'll

(09:33):
see what happens the next time. I play, but care
not good. Not good.

Speaker 8 (09:37):
I don't play a lot of golf, but I played
some golf with my friends who all play a lot
of golf, and like Paul, talk about golf all the time.
And I'm always amazed that when I get suckered in
and not suckered when I get talked into playing golf
with these guys, they're not that much better than me.

Speaker 4 (09:50):
Like everybody's like, it's like nobody is good. Nobody's good.
That's what you forget.

Speaker 8 (09:54):
It's just people are willing to put the time and
money into it to just go out there and hack
around every weekend, where.

Speaker 4 (09:59):
It's me, you know, every couple of years.

Speaker 5 (10:01):
But I feel like if I could get off the
tee better, I could consistently hit under one hundred.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
Yeah, but that's the goal, right when you're looking for
your ball every hole.

Speaker 4 (10:11):
It's tough.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
It's a hard way.

Speaker 5 (10:12):
It's a hard way, and I refuse to like, oh,
I'm just going to hit an iron off the tee.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
I refuse to do that. If I can't do it right,
I'm not going to do it.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
I kind of agree with you, you know, you know
you what do we do? You know, we're not on tour,
We're not trying to score, We're trying to get better,
right right.

Speaker 3 (10:27):
Yeah, So anyway, that's that's golf.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
But back to football, I don't hear that often.

Speaker 4 (10:34):
Yeah, that's when it goes in the hole, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
Usually I pick it up and discust.

Speaker 5 (10:40):
So I was, you know, listening to I listened to
sports radio a lot whenever I'm in the car, and
they were talking about what are you most excited about
going into this season for the Patriots?

Speaker 3 (10:54):
And I was.

Speaker 5 (10:54):
Wondering if maybe we could pick up on that topic,
And the conversation, at least on the radio morphed into
like what do you think is going to be best
on the team?

Speaker 3 (11:06):
Which I think is different.

Speaker 5 (11:08):
I think they told they took the question and bastardized it,
you know, like because.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
A potential semantics argument that Fred and Iron actually lockstep.
I take it exactly the way. What do you think
is going to be the you know, most exciting thing
is not necessarily what aspect of the team is best?

Speaker 5 (11:25):
Right, right, exactly, But so let's let's do it in
the true form of the question, what are you most
excited about going into training camp for this team?

Speaker 2 (11:36):
I answer.

Speaker 8 (11:37):
I'm going to say how Mike Rabel's impact on the
team manifests itself.

Speaker 4 (11:40):
What this team plays like, what you know?

Speaker 8 (11:43):
I mean, And I think Paul is probably leaning towards
the defense maybe for me, and I think that's a
big element of it, because I think Mike Rabel's impact
on the team, his stamp will be most obvious on
defense because it will be probably a different style than
we're used to seeing. But I'm most interested in just
the overall feel of the team, how they play these games.
They you know, the aggressiveness and you're excited about getting

(12:04):
back to that person that's going I do.

Speaker 10 (12:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (12:08):
I just the new identity of the team.

Speaker 8 (12:10):
The identity of the team under Mike Vrabel, I would say,
is what I'm most excited to see manifest itself. It
could look a number of different ways, but that for
me is is what it is.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
Okay, Yeah, I would say for me, it's really all
about Drake may That's what I'm most excited about. What
you know, where is his progression. I feel like he's
going to have better coaching this year than he did
last year. The talent around him is largely the same.
I'm hoping the offensive line is a little bit better.

(12:39):
But Drake May That's what I'm most excited to see
his maturation process. Can he kept back on the turnovers?
Candy be a little bit better in winning time? Where
does he stand? Are we going to, you know, plow
forward one hundred miles an hour knowing that this is
the guy, or are we going to continue to say,
if you could just cut back some of the mistakes,

(13:01):
there's something. There's a lot of roberability. So that's what
I'm most excited to say.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
Yeah, I'm most excited about the offensive line. I think
I think personnel wise, it's been upgraded.

Speaker 4 (13:13):
I think Will.

Speaker 5 (13:13):
Campbell is going to be a good left tackle and
he's going to be the left tackle in this team
for a long time.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
I think whether it's.

Speaker 5 (13:22):
Brad Berry or the other guy, I think they're gonna
end up having a decent center. I think the right
side is fine, and right now, all I'm wondering is
you know how left guard is going to play out?
It's probably I don't know if it's going to be cold,
strange or but I think, and then combine that with

(13:42):
the coaching, I believe the offensive line is going to
be a lot better than it was last year, and
that's going to just make the overall execution on the
offense that much better. And you know, it'll help Drake May,
it's going to help the receivers, it's going to help
every thing.

Speaker 3 (14:00):
And so I'm excited about how much better the offensive
line is going to be this year from last year.

Speaker 8 (14:06):
I want to ask you about that, because do you
think it will be immediately apparent from as we get
into drills with pads on that you can evaluate offensive
lineman one on ones, Because I hear what you're saying,
and I just wonder if it's going to be hard
to really get excited about them until we get into
the games and you're like, they're better this year.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
So I could definitely see, you know, maybe not coming
off vacation, Paul saying I can't believe that you're that
excited about the offensive line, and then us both of
us completely being convinced that we were right based on
what happened in September. See, I told you they were better,
and I'm like, really not bad, you know, and having

(14:46):
one of those stupid Fred Paul. It's because you're right, Mike,
You're not going to be able to readily know how
much to know how much is Josh McCay is getting
the ball out quicker, you know, you know, the time
to throw is so much so it's made Can everybody
look better? Or you know, Will Campbell was just really
the real deal as the fourth overall pick. He is
a you know, a sort of a blossoming Pro Bowl

(15:10):
caliber talent. Let's put it that way. I'm not going
to call him a Pro Bowl or rookie year, but
he has that kind of ability.

Speaker 5 (15:16):
Yeah, I think we knew we had major problems last
year when the Eagles came to town for that joint practice, right,
I mean that was uh oh, So I'm hoping that
when the commanders come that we'll see the opposite and
we're going to have another opportunity when they have a
joint with the Vikings that you're going up against another team.

(15:37):
And if I'm Mike Vrabel, I'm asking, you know, Dan Quinn,
hey test us here if you can, you know, whatever
whatever we can do there to give an.

Speaker 4 (15:49):
Indication of how people are doing.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
Uh so we'll we'll we'll know it when we see it.

Speaker 8 (15:55):
It's hard for me because I've realized i haven't seen
a great Patriots offense in training camp really, other than
when I came in a while, which when I came
as a fan and watched Brady like that was in
I would come back just to watch that, and twenty
nineteen Brady was here. But in my memory, even that
twenty nineteen camp, you could already start to tell that

(16:15):
like they.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Are missing I mean, remember that's why they went out
and took the chance on Antonio Brown. I knew they
were missing weapons.

Speaker 4 (16:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (16:24):
Yeah, So I wonder what it'll look like. But I
still think you're right though. There'll be maybe some hints
and I but I think we're going to be predisposed
to giving Will Campbell the benefit of the doubt either way.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
Well, you can't tell the difference between last year and
what they have right now, then it's a disaster. Yeah,
because last year was a really really bad performance and
they have on paper at least upgraded two spots.

Speaker 4 (16:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (16:47):
Yeah, I mean if one of the first hints we
might get is if four of the five spots start
a certain way and continue that way in terms of personnel,
that's a good sign.

Speaker 4 (16:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (16:58):
I mean, you know, I'll be I'm leaving out left
guard there. But if the five spots are the same
throughout the summer.

Speaker 4 (17:06):
At least, that's good.

Speaker 8 (17:08):
Yeah, I mean, I guess I also falls back to
last year though, when we kept saying they just have
to get their five guys, and even when they had
some consistency, it was still consistently.

Speaker 4 (17:16):
Bad the head injury. Yeah, I mean, I hear what
you're saying, and I think that would be great.

Speaker 8 (17:22):
But I also wonder if it's maybe going to be
a little bit better if guys are making pushes and
there is some movement and there is some room for
competition to happen.

Speaker 4 (17:32):
I don't know what the answer is. I hear what
you're saying.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
At the same Wallace is doing something.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
I think it would be a great sign of Jared
Wilson is pushing for a starting job for the center.

Speaker 4 (17:43):
Yeah, I mean, maybe think like that.

Speaker 8 (17:45):
Yeah, you see, all right, Maybe it is a veteran
starting off in a position.

Speaker 4 (17:48):
But then as we get into.

Speaker 8 (17:49):
Pads a little bit into joint practices, you start to
see somebody making that.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
The more I read about Wilson, the more intrigued I
am with his ability. I know Mike Reese had something
in his Sunday notes. I think it was last Sunday,
it might have been the week before, but just his
college coach talking about his rare athleticism for the spot,
and I thought it was kind of strange. One of
the reasons why he only played one year, only started

(18:14):
one year, was because Kirby Smart didn't want to start
him at left guard and have his two centers both
in which I thought was a foolish reason. But I mean,
whom guy has won national titles, not like he's doesn't
know what he's doing. But I thought that was flawed
logic if they were if they had two of their
better alignment and only one of them started because they

(18:35):
were worried about losing one or the other not having
a backup center, and that to me is flawed logic.
But I'm intrigued by his overall skill set.

Speaker 8 (18:43):
Yeah, for sure, he's kind of the wildcard right now,
especially since we didn't see him at all right during
the spring. But you know, City Sookden, Wallace, Leyden Robinson,
There's a lot of different guys in there that I
think deserve chances, and I want to see some of them.
But I get your point, though, Fred, it would be
like they know guys out of the spring, these are
the guys.

Speaker 4 (19:02):
This is what we're sticking with.

Speaker 8 (19:03):
Like, I do see some some quality in that, but
I'd also like to see some rookies make some pushes
or you know, the younger guys things that we didn't expect.

Speaker 5 (19:10):
They have to be really, really good because if you're
pushing and when you out, that's not a good sign
for him.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
I wouldn't expect He's the only one that I really
feel is like.

Speaker 5 (19:22):
I mean, do you think Morgan Moses could get pushed out?

Speaker 8 (19:27):
No, I'm not worry about him with injury, and I
know he's been pretty reliable old.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yeah, I think Campbell and Moses are probably locked in.
I think that the other two spots to me are
up in the air.

Speaker 3 (19:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
Yeah, with Brad Berry's more established than anybody at left guy.

Speaker 8 (19:45):
Yeah, I don't put too much meaning in But Michael Owenyu,
I think is the highest played player on this team
right now and looking last night at the Salary Capital.
But I just I just wonder if there's a little
more pressure on Michael and WHENU I just I don't
feel like people mention him very often.

Speaker 4 (19:59):
We talk a lot about the offensive line.

Speaker 8 (20:02):
He should be the key guy right now. I mean,
they they gave him a big contract, they wanted to
keep him around. I don't know what happened last year,
and maybe we can overlook that, but I just in
my view, Michael.

Speaker 4 (20:12):
And Whu has got some pressure on him this year, and.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
I think that some of these guys should coaching staff
in here. They don't have any time to him. They
didn't give him that nineteen million a year contract. I
agree with you, Mike, Yeah, he's got some.

Speaker 8 (20:22):
He's kind of glaring when you, you know, pull up
next year's cap numbers or this year's cap numbers and
you just see him a top and all right, well,
usually those are the guys that you're you're really counting
on and relying on. And you know, like you just
laid out Fred with the offensive line, I feel like
we all talk about it the same way. It never
starts with like, of course our best player, Michael WNU.
He's going to anchor us, So, you know, can he

(20:43):
turn it around this year? I think this is I
just think it's a proving ground for him this year,
more than people are probably saying out loud. But at
the same time. When you hear people talk about the
offensive line, nobody mentions him as like the anchor of it.
You mentioned Will Campbell first, and you know, but I still.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
So those are the things we're most excited about. You're
you're with the yeah, the quarterback, the offensive line. What
are you most afraid of? What's what's your biggest fear?

Speaker 4 (21:13):
That Drake can't get over turnovers and bad playing the clutch.

Speaker 8 (21:17):
I mean, that's why, and that's why when Paul said
that's what he's most excited about, I I you know,
it's all semantics right now, but I'm like, but I'm
I'm worried. I'm excited to see him play, but I'm
not guaranteed that he's not going to come out here
and have a you know, another year where maybe there's
some untimely interceptions, may sprays, those kind of things.

Speaker 4 (21:34):
That's what scares me the most. That's what will hamper
this team.

Speaker 8 (21:36):
And you don't want to come out of this year
thinking maybe we need some competition for Drake.

Speaker 4 (21:40):
That's the worst case scenario.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
I think Mike is right. I mean, that would be
the biggest fear, is that he doesn't make the progression
and he's just sort of a very talented but erratic quarterback.

Speaker 3 (21:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (21:51):
I mean obviously if that happens.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
Uh oh yeah, not below that, you'll you're limited. Yeah,
that you'll be better because you have better players than
you did like year, but you're not going to be
that much better.

Speaker 5 (22:01):
I have more faith that he will be able to
overcome that, and he will be He'll take that second
year jump.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
He'll be fine.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
So that's not my biggest fear.

Speaker 5 (22:12):
It's is it something I'm looking at, of course, But
my biggest fear is these wide receivers that there isn't
a progression that Booty doesn't progress that digs something's going
on there, and he's not the addition that we all
expect and hope he will be, and that overall it

(22:33):
just we don't see that jump that we all know
that they need.

Speaker 3 (22:38):
Uh. That's that's that's.

Speaker 4 (22:40):
My biggest fear, which then makes it harder on Drake
and then harder.

Speaker 5 (22:43):
Drake and now we're wondering what the problem is, you
know overall with the offense, so collectively that wide receiver
room really has to step it.

Speaker 4 (22:54):
Up this year.

Speaker 8 (22:55):
Yeah, I'd sell you like maybe a B fear of
mine is that on the defensive side of the ball,
a couple key injuries prevent Vrabel from really doing what
he wants to do.

Speaker 4 (23:04):
I think he'll be able to tip.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
It's a problem, yeah, across the close, close.

Speaker 8 (23:08):
Facsimilar to what he had in Tennessee's starting to put
it together. But you know, without a Spulane or without
a Landry or you know, even a chase on like
those dominoes tend to fall pretty quick. And I don't
want to come out of the season being like, well,
he just he didn't have his guys. He lost a
couple guys. He wasn't able to do what he wants
to do. I'd like him to be able to hold
on to those key pieces. I know there'll be injuries,

(23:30):
there'll be some depth pieces that they have to work around,
of course, but I just hope they don't have a
couple of catastrophic injuries that just change the dynamic and
then you're not saying yeah, but but you never know.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
Yeah, I mean, hopefully it's it's a reasonable amount of health.
You know, you don't lose Gonzo, you know, or Spelane.
I think those guys would be really impactful losses. Milton
Williams and Barmore obviously going to be a big part
of what they want to do up front. You want
to keep those guys healthy. Yeah, Mike is right about
the overall depth though, because they while they haven't prove

(24:00):
the roster, you can't improve the roster and add all
depths at the same time. You know, in one offseason.
I think they've taken some steps to improve the overall
talent level, but to me, it's still lacking overall with
regard to the playoff teams, the teams that we you know.

Speaker 4 (24:16):
The Kansas City, that's why they're good.

Speaker 5 (24:17):
Yeah, Baltimore, they can overcome injuries because they have the
death so fears of may wide receiver room. What do
you think will be the biggest positive surprise.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
Come into play.

Speaker 4 (24:35):
I'm gonna say that the defense will be better than
they were last year.

Speaker 8 (24:38):
I mean, I don't know if that's a surprise for anybody, right,
but they were down near the bottom and just about everything.
I think if trusting Mike Rabel, Terrell Williams, they went out,
they got their kind of guys. They're transitioning to a
different kind of defense, but I think that they'll be
They're playing some bad offenses.

Speaker 4 (24:55):
But I think that that'll be the biggest surprise to me.

Speaker 8 (24:57):
It's just that this defense only kind of comes back
plays aggressive, get some you know, some recognition for for
how they play.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
I mean, that's a tough question to answer. How about
you get a nice bounce back year from Ramondre Stevenson.
I think they probably want to run the ball a
little bit, you know, with McDaniels and Vrabel. I know
Mike sort of he can get snippy with me, but
he was sort of like, well, we don't have a
two hundred and fifty pound running back. When I sort
of asked him in the offseason about his style of play,

(25:26):
do you expect to be similar to what you were
in Tennessee? And he immediately hit me with, well, we
don't have Derek Henry. I do think that that's how
they want to play. They want to protect the football,
they want to run the ball, they want to be
physical on both sides of the ball. Ramondre Stevens is
not going to fumble seven times again. Yeah, he's going
to have a more productive year. I feel with Josh

(25:47):
and I think you might have a nice positive surprise there.

Speaker 5 (25:51):
My positive surprise is they will do no worse than
four and two in the AFC East.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Okay, that would be a surprise. Yeah, yeah, I don't
see that, but that would be a surprise.

Speaker 4 (26:04):
Losses at Miami and app I'm not saying who you know,
one of those wins might be the Bills.

Speaker 3 (26:09):
You know, they could split with the Bills.

Speaker 4 (26:11):
But the last couple of years, no worse than.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
Four and two in the a f C East.

Speaker 8 (26:15):
All right, it will be It would be wonderful to
get over the Miami hump, so Mark, to get over
the morrell to uh like that that that'll be happy, Duce,
that'll be happy postgame due.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
Better chance four and two or two and four in
the division like to. So the eternal optimism.

Speaker 4 (26:34):
Right now probably too and four right now?

Speaker 2 (26:38):
Split with Miami split, don't my lips?

Speaker 4 (26:41):
Can I see that?

Speaker 8 (26:43):
But to get over the two hump this year I
think would be a great first step. You talk about
just things to check off, like maybe getting a win
down in Miami or simply.

Speaker 4 (26:50):
Just in Miami.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
And now I got two wins over there. You know,
I think they're gonna beat Miami here they play them
in December, if I yeah, it's late. It's one of
the late games, right, I forget it's uh.

Speaker 8 (27:03):
I thought we had Miami or Miami my last in
the last game, second game in the last game.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
So I think they're going to win that last game
against Miami. Miami will have been eliminated by then.

Speaker 3 (27:14):
Matter.

Speaker 8 (27:15):
So there you go Week two down in Miami to
a full complement of weaponry. H to win that game,
that would that would be good. But I like just
going through the like Week one against the Raiders.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
It's a tough game. That's a really tough, tough game
that Patriots fans I don't want to paint with a
broad brush, but a lot of Patriots fans have not
even considered the possibility.

Speaker 8 (27:36):
I mean, Brock Bowers is, you know, by the recent vote,
the number one tight end in the league right now.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
What was the biggest acquisition they made in the off season?
Fourth overall pair Ashton fourth overall pick was who Will Campbell?
And who is the Raiders best player? The best in
the league. Yeah, I know that he generally plays on
the other side, but you don't think Pete Carroll is
gonna wreck as well. I got a kid over there.

(28:01):
I might want to see if he's up to speed
or how much are they going to have to slide
the protection from Max Crosby even if he's on you know,
the right side with Morgan Moses, does that open somebody
else up? You know? Is Kon's I forget, I haven't
done my matchups yet, so I'm a little behind.

Speaker 4 (28:18):
So to be chase on.

Speaker 8 (28:19):
But but yeah, probably maybe Malcolm Kons is the right.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
So there's that's a really that's a good there's personnel
there that can do some damage. You know. You Mike
mentioned Bowers. Jano Smith had a good game against the
Patriots last year. You know, I sort of dismissed him
heading into that Seattle game. He proved me wrong.

Speaker 3 (28:38):
He's a competent quarterback.

Speaker 4 (28:40):
Ashton I mean Ashton gens in the backfield. Ye figure
it out.

Speaker 8 (28:44):
And I was looking at that schedule that I'm like
them then at Miami and I was like, were people
saying this is like a great schedule for a great
start Like I, you know, I it's gonna every every
game is going to be a battle.

Speaker 4 (28:54):
Every game is going to be a battle, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
They have three of the first four at home, so
I think everybody's just sort of felt like, well, those
are wins.

Speaker 4 (29:01):
And they haven't won any games at home.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
I think the Carolina game, you probably feel pretty good.
That's a game that quote unquote we should win at home,
and I would agree with that. But Pittsburgh and the Raiders,
to me, those could go either way, right, and if
they were on the road, I wouldn't feel really good
about either one of them. But at home, I give
you a shot.

Speaker 5 (29:21):
Of any of those games, Like, which of those games
will the Patriots be favored?

Speaker 4 (29:27):
I mean I don't.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
I don't make the case the only one would be Carolina.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
I think they might be favored in the opener. I
think there's there's a good amount of games that they
This stuff is already well, it's already like if there'll
be out there, right, Yeah, yeah, I think there's a
I think there's an odd amount of games the Patriots
are favorite, like an eleven out of the seventeen games
or something like that, which is I think speaks to

(29:52):
the schedule that we're.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
All playing, playing a fourth place schedule, right.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
You know they played a fourth place schedule last year too,
I know.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
But it's supposed to be better.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
There's only three teams, only three games that are impacted
by the place that you finish, right, everybody else is
the same. It's the same schedule that Buffalo is playing,
except for three games in their first play schedule. Yeah right, Uh,
let's see Patriots odds for the season.

Speaker 11 (30:18):
Right, sots five hundred The Hot Line podcast.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
If I don't talk, the show stops. What did you
guys last week?

Speaker 4 (30:33):
It's nothing. We just stared at each other.

Speaker 5 (30:34):
I can't believe you don't have that tattoos for your forum.

Speaker 8 (30:38):
It's another side topic though, just we can jump back
to that. But just the second round pick thing. I
know someone wrote in about that, and now it seems
like it might actually start to be a thing because
Houston guaranteed the full contract with Jayden Higgins and I
think only he and the linebacker Schwestion Gert from the
Browns are the only two second round guys signed. So
there might be a little bit of a problem now

(30:59):
with our slotted drafting.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
Patriots are right now favored by three against the Raiders.

Speaker 3 (31:04):
Well you get three, so it's even there.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
You go, Okay, So I'm not gonna look up the
rest because he's gonna because he's gonna dismiss it.

Speaker 8 (31:13):
It's a great it's a great opening game though. That
that was what stood out to me. Just good team,
there's some talent yet.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
And you know the Pittsburgh game is interesting too with
with Aaron Rodgers. Again, it's early in the season, so
if it doesn't go well for him, it hasn't not
gone well already. You don't have you know what I mean,
by the time that you get to like week. That's
why I think it's it's kind of a bad break
that played Miami so early, because I think Miami's like

(31:41):
I think, like everybody else with Miami, I think they're
gonna struggle. I think this is kind of a bridge
year or rebuilding, resetting kind of a year for them.
But in we two they're not going to feel that way.
You know, the season's just starting.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
So springs internal.

Speaker 4 (31:54):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
Speaking of contract, Garrett Wilson average about thirty one million
a year.

Speaker 4 (32:00):
What do you think good deal?

Speaker 2 (32:02):
A good deal for him? I felt like, I don't
know why I feel like the Jets are having a
good offseason because I haven't heard a lot about the Jets,
and I know, I think I mentioned a few weeks
ago that Ben Vollen wrote something like that, and I
don't often, you know, find myself I say this to
Ben all the time. I don't often find myself aligned
with Ben Vollen, But I think he's right. I think

(32:22):
it's a sign that maybe Aaron Glenn has an idea
of how he wants to run his team. Scares me
his program, you know, they've sort of flown under the radar.
I think that's a really good signing. I don't think
it's an an exorbitant salary. It's ninety million guaranteed four years.
That to me is he's a good player. He's one
of the best ten receivers in football.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
Oh yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
He's paid I think somewhere in the top five. And
guys that are gonna, you know, you know how that works,
guys are gonna end up going in front of him.
He didn't get as much as DK Metcalf, and I
think he's a better player than DK Metcalf.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
Yeah. I mean it's a ninety million guaranteed, yeah, four years,
ninety million.

Speaker 4 (33:05):
Yeah. Just it worries me. It worries me.

Speaker 8 (33:07):
Fret says four and two, and like, I just don't
know anything about the Jets right now.

Speaker 4 (33:09):
I feel. I mean, it just depends on Justin Field.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
Yeah. It's a huge wildcard.

Speaker 8 (33:13):
Yeah yeah, I mean, and I think any team that's
why it's a surprise. Any team with a new coach
or a new quarterback or some combination of it's huge
question marks. And that's what the Raiders are going to be,
That's what Pittsburgh's going to be, That's what the Patriots are.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
So I think there's a two more that have been
penciled into the wind column the by if you talk
to most people. We had a guy last week. I
was on one of my shows, Freddie, I was double
dipping on you on my vacation. A guy called in
and said, you'd be like disappointed with ten wins. He
goes just making the playoffs and get knocked out in

(33:47):
the wildcard round with ten wins isn't enough? And I'm like,
I just I looked at Tim mcconne, I said, that's
enough for me.

Speaker 4 (33:54):
Does that guy call our show too? I feel like
we had that.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
I don't know you, Oh did we?

Speaker 4 (33:58):
I don't know we had a call like that too.

Speaker 3 (34:00):
He might have made the rounds.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
I'm not telling you that ten wins should be like
you know, cause for a parade or anything like that,
But based on winning four games in the last.

Speaker 5 (34:10):
Two years, you'll come if you win ten, you can
win ten games come out of the season feeling very optimal.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
Because I find it awfully hard to believe you won
ten games without a significant jump from Drake May. That
would be the only way I wouldn't feel great about
winning ten games is if they win.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
A bunch of game ten to three.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
Yeah, you win a want a bunch of defensive slogs
because you played bad teams and they couldn't muster any
offense against you when you looked better than.

Speaker 4 (34:32):
You were seeing that season.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
Frable's a good coach, so he found a way to,
you know, win these seventeen thirteen kind of games. And
Drake May didn't play well. I could see you not
feeling great about winning ten games. But that's it. That's it.
If they win ten games and they make the playoffs,
or they're at least in playoff contention in week eighteen,
the whole new world, that'd be great.

Speaker 4 (34:50):
Yeah, whole new world.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
Let's see who's this ignis? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (34:57):
Ignis from Connecticut, an ignorant fan since two thousand and three,
moved to the States and longtime fan of the show.
Have you seen the Kendrick Bourne video of the workout
sessions Drake organized in North Carolina? Personally, I thought Diggs
is moving really well. Hopeful he'll be a full go
week one. Mandre looks quicker and sharper in his cuts.

(35:17):
Poke looks bigger. Was impressed with his change in direction
when he plants and shifts. So did you guys see
the video?

Speaker 4 (35:24):
I did, Actually I watched. I watched.

Speaker 8 (35:26):
I mean it's like twenty minutes. It just raw Pratts footage.
I mean it is edited. I shouldn't say it's.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
Ronna say it ain't raw foot but no, but it's
all making everybody look at it. It possibly look.

Speaker 4 (35:35):
It's all highlights. But uh, I like the vibes. I
like the vibes. Generally, I don't.

Speaker 8 (35:40):
I don't care about the videos, but I like the
vibes that it seems like they're all getting along, they're
working together there.

Speaker 4 (35:45):
I mean, I said it on the show on Thursday.

Speaker 8 (35:47):
I like more of the the team building stuff, which
I think Mike wrote in his notes. Mike Grease wrote
in his notes that Drake said it's more about getting together.

Speaker 4 (35:55):
And I said, the.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
Student happen to do anything's happening.

Speaker 8 (35:58):
You know, the stupid video pod if you saw it
was was drake like throwing a past to Remandra on
a jet ski and catching. You know, like that's like
the dumb, dumb, dumb stuff that me and my friends do.
It's like, all right, these guys are getting along, they're
spending time together, they're getting to know each other.

Speaker 4 (36:11):
They're gonna want to win for each other. They're gonna
want to go through that.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
I would just say two things here. Physically, don't fall
into the trap that so and so looks quicker. They're
they're all without quick. They don't look quicker. They are
quicker because it's the summer. And the last time you
saw them was at the end of an eighteen game
slog where they got the crap beat out of them
for a whole year, and they were slower. So they

(36:34):
are fat. They're all across the board, they're all faster, quicker,
cutting more shot.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
Literally all they have on is cleats and shorts.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
Right, so they actually moving faster than they were the
last time you saw them. You know, injuries aside, you know,
if someone's injured or whatever. But yes, Romandre Stevenson, I
have no doubt is moving quicker right now than he
was in December, the last time you saw him January.

Speaker 4 (36:56):
Yeah, I have I have to be very about this.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
I agree with Mike. I think the team bonding thing
is significant. I think that's an important part of you know,
getting some kind of like chemistry in the locker room
and whatnot. I don't care at all about the Facocta
videos that they're clearly sculpting and oh yeah whatever, you know,
they look great.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
I just realized I didn't give them a food order.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
They make a big deal out of these these kinds
of things. They're just not all that important to me
that they're It matters to me that they like each
other and they want to be with each other on
the field and off like that matters to me. I
think that's.

Speaker 8 (37:35):
Important, right, you know, just trying to see them do
a stupid like do you think you could complete a pass?

Speaker 12 (37:40):
All?

Speaker 2 (37:40):
I thought it, Like, that's great. I think that stuff
is great. I'm with your mic.

Speaker 8 (37:44):
It made me though, I went into my after watching
that video. I just I started playing a Buyer Cell
game with the Patriots roster where you get so into
analyzing like who's going to get cut who's not? Just
and I thought it was a good mental exercise to
show just who are you buying or who are you
selling as you go in? You know, like Stefan Diggs,
I'm gonna buy on him. I think Paul and Evan

(38:06):
definitely selling on Jalen Polk. I would be a buy
on Jalen Polk right now. I think it's a depreciated
asset that I think is gonna, you know, blossom. But
it's kind of going through the roster and now there's
some interesting choices just putting it through that buyer sell
nothing more.

Speaker 4 (38:18):
Is he gonna get cut? I don't know, just going in.
Do you feel like you'd invest in this guy or
you wouldn't?

Speaker 3 (38:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (38:24):
Uh Now this next email is the definition of dedication.
OK So, nateon Connecticut's been a frequent caller. He's emailing,
He's says, he says, first, he apologizes for not calling
in apology.

Speaker 4 (38:39):
I was wondering where, he says.

Speaker 5 (38:40):
I'm at lacrosse camp at West Point and we're at lunch.
So he's emailing during lunch at lacrosse camp Pyle, What
are you doing?

Speaker 4 (38:47):
That's dedication anyway, He's.

Speaker 5 (38:50):
Wondering, do you think we're gonna have new jersey's unveiled?

Speaker 3 (38:54):
New jerseys?

Speaker 5 (38:55):
He's got the jay capitalized, So I get a little
mixed up there, are we gonna have new jerseys unveiled?
Because the charges just tease alternates. The Browns of rumored
to be having alternate helmets. The commanders just released their
new jerseys, probably a week ago. Do you think it's
time for a change in jerseys?

Speaker 2 (39:11):
Tampa Bay that.

Speaker 5 (39:14):
Somebody somebody made are today it was big head Tampa
Bay and roll those out and everyone's like, oh, I
love those. Everybody hated those at the time, they made
fun of them.

Speaker 4 (39:27):
Now all of a sudden they love them.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
Albert b posted that and said what he loves them? No, no, no,
what something that I thought you were going to actually say,
like Pat Patriot?

Speaker 3 (39:39):
Absolutely there was.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
I don't think that Pat Patriot got a lot of
criticism when it was out, but there was. There was
no clamoring for Pat Patriot. Like Fred says this all
the time, He's right, you know, we lived it. There
was no I don't remember that the vitriol that Fred
does for pat Patriot, But I don't remember anybody saying
I can't believe they got rid of Pat Patriot. When
they got rid of them, there wasn't really this hue

(40:02):
and cry.

Speaker 4 (40:03):
Yeah, welcome to the nineties.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
You know, the creams of Cold. People made fun of it.
They had the I think it was the buccaneer more
than anything with the half Yeah, but I always kind
of like the uniforms.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
I thought they were kind of cool looking.

Speaker 4 (40:16):
Archie Manning. That's that's the vibe I get with those ones.
But I mean, man wasn't he the Oh god, I
always confused Tampa Bay, New Orleans. That's like a thing
I have, I get something something I would have.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Yeah, wow, Yeah, that's good. Fred. Fred is on a
high right now because the Red Sox are on a
ten game winning He's brought, he's brought his a game today.
He's ready bring for the All Star Games, bringing topics
to the table. He's talking about Leroy crap show. Steve

(40:49):
Spurrier was the quarterback. He might be thinking of it.

Speaker 8 (40:52):
Yeah, but otherwise, like Trent Dilfer, all right, let's.

Speaker 4 (40:57):
Go to the hotline. We'll start with Kendall Carolina I would.

Speaker 12 (41:01):
Play Kendall, Hey, what's going on?

Speaker 9 (41:05):
Guys?

Speaker 10 (41:05):
Hey, First, I want to give a shout that Paul
had especially gifts from the pocket they Paul, Paul came
to my show yesterday.

Speaker 9 (41:13):
Appreciated it.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
Paul did, and I enjoyed it. Kendall does a great
job and I was happy to help him out.

Speaker 4 (41:18):
Okay, yelly, no, we had nice.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
He chopped it up for a little bit about twenty
twenty five minutes. It's nice, good good time.

Speaker 4 (41:26):
You played nice.

Speaker 9 (41:26):
Okay, yes, the Cans past out played this podcast.

Speaker 4 (41:29):
Appreciate it.

Speaker 9 (41:30):
But I wanted to ask, have y'all I know Kamara
is going, have y'all found out? Like who's going to
have y'all found somebody.

Speaker 13 (41:38):
To replaced on the post pregame show?

Speaker 5 (41:39):
Like y'all got we do have a replacement on the
pre and postgame show a host and uh we'll be
rolling out that info in due time.

Speaker 9 (41:50):
So oh okay, okay, Well that's all of anyone to ask.

Speaker 12 (41:53):
We just want to give us out to Paul and
asked that question and I appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (41:58):
Okay, all right, well thanks Kendall, appreciate its.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
Kendall, good luck. Ye they're good guy, good guy. Okay, Absolutely,
we're gonna go for like a young mic two shown, We're.

Speaker 5 (42:11):
Gonna go from North Carolina to California. Kyle's on the phone.
What's up, Kyle?

Speaker 13 (42:17):
Hey, guys, how are we doing?

Speaker 4 (42:18):
Good?

Speaker 9 (42:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (42:20):
I I a little football also football talk here. I
got to plan my Christmas vacation plans, and my family's
going to go to Boston. Wonder if you guys had
any recommendations.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
In The Winner The Winner?

Speaker 4 (42:34):
Yes, sir, Yeah, what was the question?

Speaker 8 (42:36):
I'm sorry, planning a vacation to Boston The Winner and
The Winner looking for advice?

Speaker 4 (42:41):
What kind of stuff you're looking for? Are you with
a family with kids?

Speaker 3 (42:44):
What are you doing?

Speaker 14 (42:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (42:46):
So as me, my mom and sister, I'm gonna be
my last Christmas in the States, just before I go
on deployment. And then my sister lives in Spain, so
we're gonna meet her halfway. We're originally from California. I
never made the Heaspost before.

Speaker 4 (42:59):
All Right, Well, I say North End, get some get
some Italian. Yeah, I mean there's a great One's.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
A lot of great food in and around the city
in Boston, North End, as Mike said, a lot of history.
I don't know how much time you have.

Speaker 5 (43:12):
I would do the Freedom Trail, you know, as someone
who's never been here before, I'm assuming.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
I don't know how much I would do that. You know.
In terms of outdoors, there's a lot of great skiing
areas up north of Boston. I don't know if you
have time to get up there, if that's something that
you be interested in. But there's there's a I mean,
winter is not I wouldn't say the best time to
be in Boston, but there's there's still a lot of Ruins, gah.

Speaker 5 (43:42):
Bruins or Celtics go to the garden.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
So Fred, this is impressive. You got you got to
lunch order anyway.

Speaker 4 (43:49):
Look at this Matt marine Matt anticipating his needs above
and beyond.

Speaker 5 (43:54):
The New England Aquarium is really cool if you want
to do that.

Speaker 4 (43:58):
It's kind of smelly, though smelly, well fish, it's humid.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
There'll be plenty to do.

Speaker 4 (44:03):
Yeah, Newberry Street if you want to go shopping in
Newberry Street. Fangel Hall.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
Keep the family off Newberry Street, all right? Looking to
save Thanks.

Speaker 5 (44:11):
Kyle Travis writes in from West Virginia, big fan of
Patriots Unfiltered on TV. Although I realized it's probably easy
to do from the studio, I liked it better when
you did it from the Hall of Fame. The colors,
lights look great on camera, and it just had a
hometown feel, whereas the studio is more sterile.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
Okay, any any plans for Patriots talked about?

Speaker 2 (44:35):
I can't imagine we're going to go back the amount
of time. Yeah, it's an effort that was saved. No
on I don't like effort, but not on our part
because Mike and I are Prima Donna's show up. Mike
and I show up and we just do our thing
and then we're out. So it takes the same amount
of time for Mike and I to do it in
the halls. But it's still the same same right, But

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it requires a lot more effort on the part of
the crew, and I think that they would probably prefer
to have it like like it was last year.

Speaker 5 (45:08):
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being rammed down our throats. If you take regular showers,
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Speaker 3 (45:20):
Have any of you fallen for this scam.

Speaker 8 (45:22):
I have not no, no, I have not even felt
the need to, Luckily, and I didn't know it was ongoing.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
Yeah, yeah, Well I.

Speaker 3 (45:32):
Also have a theory that you know this clinical deodorant
now they have, It's basically what they've done is they've
weakened the regular deodorant, so for some people it's not
as effect able. I got a problem. So then they
they upgrade and they pay more for the clinical deals.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
Kind of like when Apple changes the power of your phone.

Speaker 4 (45:54):
It's a scam, all right?

Speaker 5 (45:56):
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Speaker 3 (46:01):
He ordered food for me.

Speaker 4 (46:02):
I'm gonna eat it.

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Speaker 4 (48:10):
What is a Patriots free agency plan?

Speaker 3 (48:12):
Flurry of moves to open NFL free agency.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
Carlton Davids maybe their top.

Speaker 3 (48:20):
Two corner there, Morgan Moses solidified the offensive line.

Speaker 4 (48:24):
These are Vrabels, guys someone who watches ball.

Speaker 16 (48:27):
Nos, No, no, no, that's a dog right there.

Speaker 8 (48:33):
Teams shut is really getting after this offensive line?

Speaker 17 (48:37):
Is there?

Speaker 4 (48:37):
Tough, big physical player. There's a tough team now go anywhere.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
Patriots have been known for winning for a long time.
For them to want me and bring me into this
organization and be a part of that, I couldn't find
nothing better than that. Man. I'll probably say that was
the best day of my life. You really can't even
put it into words.

Speaker 4 (48:54):
We are extremely proud.

Speaker 18 (48:56):
I personally never dreamed of a moment like this or
the super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
Well, I dreamed of it.

Speaker 9 (49:04):
I feel like I knew what was gonna have because
he put the work in.

Speaker 4 (49:07):
It's his time.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
Having my family there, you know, they see all the
work to go into it. You know a lot of
stuff that go all behind the scenes. It was big
to just celebrate that moment with them. Like I said,
that was the biggest day of my life. That could
have been a better moment for me to play a
better game definitely.

Speaker 19 (49:22):
You know what excites me is just a long history
of just winning here.

Speaker 4 (49:28):
Man, I'm all for that.

Speaker 19 (49:30):
But also a head coaching Mike Rabel man a players
coaches out there, you know, holding bags for the guys,
and just a leader of men that's willing to step
aside and put itself on the line for the better
good for the team. It's an easy decision, I would say,
just the historical past this team has had all the success,
thinking about me growing up as a kid and seeing

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the Patriots win.

Speaker 20 (49:51):
Multiple Super Bowls, just that championship culture us.

Speaker 17 (49:55):
Here being part of the historic franchise as something that
is near and dear to my heart. I can't wait
to add my.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
Legacy to it.

Speaker 17 (50:02):
I got to play for coach Vrabel eight years ago
at Tennessee, and when I found out I was gonna
have the opportunity to play for him again, I was
I was truly excited to get out here.

Speaker 19 (50:13):
Just be a part of something that's bigger than yourself
is the ideal way of just coming out here.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
And just being a Patriot.

Speaker 20 (50:19):
And I felt like, you know, it was an easy
choice for me to be able to come back here
where it all started, you know, where I met my
wife at BC and really where my career took off.

Speaker 4 (50:27):
I feel like as a.

Speaker 20 (50:27):
Football player, Patriot players so that they always respected the
organization and the work that came with it. Man, just
being in that stadium just gave me some goosebumps or
what it can be. I'm excited just to do it.

Speaker 14 (50:40):
Mac Collins underrated, big physical player.

Speaker 6 (50:43):
If he plays for your team, you gonna love him
because it maybe thirty degrees below there.

Speaker 4 (50:46):
He ain't got no shoes on.

Speaker 17 (50:47):
I want people to push me to be the best
I can and I think that's got in the philosophy
that coach has.

Speaker 4 (50:51):
Yes, the Pats were very busy today.

Speaker 21 (50:56):
It ended up working out at a lot of different positions,
you know, particularly on defense, to get a lot of
our top targets and guys that we really felt comfortable
with that would fit our culture and fit the scheme
and fit what we're trying to build.

Speaker 4 (51:07):
The New England Patriots. I believe you have something brewing,
something big up this league. When it comes to the
wide receiver position.

Speaker 12 (51:13):
Don't be surprised if after making some of these big
moves on defense, there's a push also to get Drake
may some help as well.

Speaker 22 (51:20):
You know, Coach Grave is real convincing, but he had
a career that's something that you can attest to of
all work and being a part of something specially so
tough hansome. When I got the call, it was kind
of like real simple, the more formative to the fact
of going somewhere new.

Speaker 23 (51:36):
Competitiveness, the confidence, the plate demeanor, the consistency. Those are
things that excited us as a veteran wide receiver that
can come in here and help us.

Speaker 4 (51:45):
Nice to meet you.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
Nice to meet you.

Speaker 14 (51:47):
We've been waiting for have some of your son's caliber.

Speaker 20 (51:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (51:53):
He always want to win.

Speaker 4 (51:55):
He always going to work hard.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
He always going to see the players on his team
get better.

Speaker 4 (52:00):
He's just a leader.

Speaker 22 (52:01):
Individual accolades always will follow with the success, and I
think individual success breeds team success. I feel like this
is where God placement and this is where I'm supposed
to be. So I'm gonna give it everything that I
got and I want to win real, real bad. Everybody
that's excited, grab your popcorn, grab your jacket, let's get

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to work.

Speaker 20 (52:29):
Well.

Speaker 21 (52:29):
I think the main thing is just finding people that
fit our culture, just some professional players to show some
of these young guys the right way to do it.
And we feel like we really accomplished that at a
lot of different positions, all the while still preparing for
the draft and getting ready, you know, because obviously that's
a big foundation piece and what we're trying to build
as a draft and developed team.

Speaker 18 (52:46):
You know, you're gonna hear a lot of people and
I believe it as well. You like to draft, develop,
and then retain your own because those are the people
that you've poured the most into, you know, the best.
And then free agency, though, is another way to address
issues on your team.

Speaker 21 (52:59):
We just like we needed to create competition throughout the
roster and fill some of the holes so we'd be
able to be more flexible with our draft strategy.

Speaker 18 (53:06):
And this year's free agency for us is probably going
to look a lot different than next year's free agency,
and I think that's what you have to take stock
of as you go into the free agency process, which
kicks off really roster building season, is what are the
things we need to address the most what can set
us up the best to be able to take the
best players available in the draft, and year to year
that might change, you know, it just becomes one of

(53:27):
those things that the draft develop and retain. Is a
great concept, but if you draft well enough, ultimately you
can't pay them all. So that's why it's got to
be a constant shift. And we just have to be
intentional about not only the players that we sign in
free agency, but who those people are, because, as I
said before, the people make a big.

Speaker 21 (53:43):
Difference filling a lot of those needs through free agency
and again just opening up that flexibility for the draft
so we can take the best player available at each pick.

Speaker 4 (54:08):
The way they practiced, a lot of effort to.

Speaker 23 (54:11):
Finish great teams go out to practice at different feats.
That's just what we're gonna do because that's the only
way that our identity can take off.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
This is professional football. This is your job.

Speaker 4 (54:21):
You're not on scholarship.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
You don't get a red scrat year. The better be
all right, you're not tough.

Speaker 4 (54:28):
You have a hard complaining this way? You mean you
can't continue statement.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
You got like two steps decided to get out.

Speaker 15 (54:34):
Good that kind of drills big there, then God go
work right there, tip go.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
Rep get off? Got it?

Speaker 15 (54:42):
We can remember it, but we can also work together, all.

Speaker 17 (54:45):
Right, big weekend Sun turns twenty one.

Speaker 23 (54:51):
We're in this business to win and to help players improve.
I think that they embraced the change.

Speaker 4 (54:58):
I would have fit with two hunh. But like, I'm
blessed to do this, So I wake up with that that.

Speaker 9 (55:02):
Grind every day you taught them.

Speaker 4 (55:04):
That's only plus only thing what you thout.

Speaker 17 (55:11):
I think I'm gonna score, and then I never I
think I'm gonna score, and then I never score.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
You got a guy?

Speaker 1 (55:17):
And now great moments in.

Speaker 24 (55:21):
History and quick movie trivia, What famous movie director produced
a nineteen seventy one film with up and coming with
an up and coming movie director?

Speaker 4 (55:32):
But what we don't know who that is? Anyway, The
answer is franc Is for Coppola, But he did a
TV show, What famous movie.

Speaker 5 (55:42):
Director produced a nineteen seventy one film with an up
and coming movie director?

Speaker 3 (55:47):
But like that could be anyone.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
Who's the up and coming movie director?

Speaker 4 (55:50):
He said, Francis Ford Coppola, No in that.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
Yeah, it sounds like there's two different guys, right, Yeah,
two different I don't know.

Speaker 5 (55:56):
Scorsese and Coppola clarify did they do? The movie was
America Graffiti and George Lucas was there.

Speaker 4 (56:04):
Oh okay, I gotta keep reading. That's another great moment,
all right?

Speaker 3 (56:16):
Eight five five PATS five hundred is the Yeah. I
got to read through those emails.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
I forgot about that one.

Speaker 5 (56:22):
I was here for that and I forgot the Hotline
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Speaker 2 (56:41):
How did it go this week? Did I miss anything?

Speaker 4 (56:43):
Good?

Speaker 2 (56:43):
Because I was? I was not.

Speaker 4 (56:45):
It was all about you. It's all about you, of course.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
Not all.

Speaker 8 (56:51):
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I did too.

Speaker 8 (57:56):
I didn't wear them yesterday. I'm still afraid to put
them on and put wear them for actual work. And
I edged a mulch bed yesterday. It was very satisfying.
That's one of the things yard work that I find
just incredibly like.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
Oh Jesus, mulch bed is one of those things you find,
Oh that's tough.

Speaker 4 (58:09):
It wasn't very big, it wasn't very big. Wanted to
do it for a long time. I'll tell you.

Speaker 5 (58:14):
One of the most satisfying things I had work around
the house. Just happened last week.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
I had to.

Speaker 5 (58:19):
Fix a part of the roof, so the roofers came in,
and it's an old house, long story. They nailed through
a part of the house that didn't have an installation,
so the nails came right through into this closet area.
So they had to pull all the nails. But obviously
it was a mess, so you know, they didn't know.
I didn't blame them, so I said, I'll fix it.
So I ex give me a ladder, so you know,

(58:42):
I shaved everything off and smoothed it out and everything,
but there was one part where there were still nails
down down below.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
So I said, what am I going to do with this?

Speaker 5 (58:54):
Because I'm not going to get on the roof, and
because they're underneath the shingles, I can't get to them.
So I had and I love it when I already
have the tools. So I had a you know, big,
you know, metal cutter, so I snipped as much as
the nail as I could, and then I went to
this pile of scrap wood that I've been keeping forever, like.

Speaker 4 (59:15):
The perfect you did it.

Speaker 3 (59:17):
You have the perfect piece, like four inch wide piece
that I cut to length, put over it.

Speaker 4 (59:23):
Screwed it in.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
It looked perfect, and I was like, all right, you know,
I knew I saved that would For some reason.

Speaker 8 (59:30):
I've seen that in a couple of viral videos and
people making fun of that exact thing of like.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
Hold on, I think I have the exact piece, and
then it's like.

Speaker 4 (59:36):
That just pile of dusty.

Speaker 3 (59:40):
Right perfect and it fit perfect, Like you know, I'm.

Speaker 8 (59:44):
A man, all right, you're talking, See Nikki, this is
why I was keeping it.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
I spend the next two weeks just chirping Beth like
this is why. See, that's just what you never know
when you're gonna need it. And she's just like, yeah, okay, honey, alright.

Speaker 5 (01:00:00):
Deus talked about his uh you know story on the
Cape with the guy with the ashes. Brett writes in
He's from Leminster. He had something similar happened to me.
I was I was the one dumping the ashes when
my father died. My dad was not particularly good man
or father. He wanted his ashes dropped in Gloucester. As
I got close enough to where I was going to

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pour them into the water, a boat came by, blasting
Creden's clear water Revival's fortunate Son.

Speaker 4 (01:00:28):
I was at the most serious.

Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
I was at the most serious.

Speaker 4 (01:00:30):
I was going to be when I heard it ain't me.

Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
It ain't me, I ain't no fortunate son, and I
had him laugh.

Speaker 4 (01:00:36):
That's so there you go. Maybe it's kind of I
don't know what life in the fastening would have met
for those.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
I find those things kind of fascinating. How many times
something like that happened.

Speaker 8 (01:00:48):
Yeah, I went to one ashes dump off a boat
off a long beach a long time ago.

Speaker 4 (01:00:53):
It all went fine, But it's you know, a little serious.

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
So have you thought about, like what you want to
do after your demise, Like do you care if they
burn wife?

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
Yeah, I don't have any You don't care. I don't either.

Speaker 5 (01:01:07):
No, I'm going to be cremated just because I don't
want to be a prop bother for.

Speaker 4 (01:01:12):
Anybody where Oh I didn't. I haven't specified that. I
don't really care about that either.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
I have thought about, like not necessarily like reincarnation, but
what happens to you sort of your soul? Like can
you actually can you watch do you like do you
look down and do you like sort of revisit your life?

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
See, I've thought about this too deep.

Speaker 4 (01:01:36):
Yeah, I think I think, like what am I just
a pretty face?

Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
No? No, no, But I think in that dimension, in that state,
you have to forget about your senses. You have to
you have to forget about seeing, hearing, smelling, touching, tasting.
They don't exist anymore. So whatever whatever it is that
happens to you in that pool, ain't. It's a different

(01:02:02):
way of perceiving things that we can't understand right now
because we're so you know, dependent on our senses to
take in information and then our brain processes it. We're
not going to have that anymore. So it's it's different.

Speaker 8 (01:02:19):
It's different, like looking at some old clothes, maybe the
like I would love to be able to sort of
re experience my own life.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
Like I'm not necessarily saying I'm going to be able
to watch everybody regrets, but like I.

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
Should have swung at that that third strike, like that
was you. That's that's my biggest regret.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
But you know, I don't know if it would be
able to like just look down upon the world and
watch everything, you know, watch your kids grow up or whatever.
I don't know, maybe that's not necessarily something I would watch,
but I wouldn't mind being able to experience my own
life and look back at the things I did right
the things I did.

Speaker 3 (01:02:56):
Wrong, and think that would do that now you know.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
No, I'm talking about more vivid fighting. Yeah, it's called reflection.

Speaker 8 (01:03:05):
Well see, I might like my think the compliment is
like is there really time? And like everything's all happening
right now anyway, so like once you're.

Speaker 4 (01:03:12):
Back over to the other it is, it's not like, oh,
we're still in twenty twenty. It's like it's all there's no.

Speaker 5 (01:03:18):
I would hope that i'd be released if I wouldn't,
because like I go to the next level, like leave
this life behind.

Speaker 4 (01:03:26):
Yeah and do something else. Yeah, yeah, you know, yeah,
I don't know. We'll figure it out someday.

Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
Release me from these mortal coils.

Speaker 4 (01:03:34):
Yes, Father Fred? Was that a Father fredline?

Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
No, that's Shakespeare, that's Hamlet.

Speaker 4 (01:03:38):
Now you could have.

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
Still you might have heard of them.

Speaker 8 (01:03:45):
So shoot, I just saw something the other day where
it was it was a show I think that they're
doing that reminded me a.

Speaker 4 (01:03:51):
Lot of Father Fred Crud. I wish I had snipped it,
but I think it was something like that, like Crud.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
I'll find it.

Speaker 4 (01:03:59):
I'll try to get it for the next show.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
Did you get a chance to check out the documentary,
the Jazz Documentary?

Speaker 4 (01:04:04):
I did, Thank you Paul for asking. Very good, very good?
Did you did you?

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
I didn't find like I learned. I mean this might
you know, might be a me problem. I didn't find.
I learned a whole lot.

Speaker 4 (01:04:13):
No, no, no, I mean we're already a doctor at peace.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
Boy Capello put something on his Instagram saying it was
it was good, and I agree, it was good. It
was well, it was well done, I thought. But he
felt like there is another one and he put a
link to it, so I was going to try to
there's more in it.

Speaker 5 (01:04:34):
Yeah all right, but the one you had to cancel
a fan event.

Speaker 4 (01:04:39):
I don't know what's going on.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
Yeah, yeah, that's too bad. We were well that was,
you know, in fairness to them, like it's fiftieth anniversary
and you know, Roy Scheider's gone, Robert Shaw is gone, like.

Speaker 3 (01:04:49):
This the Shark is gone.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
Yeah, you know, I mean, good call, good call. But
the one thing that that I did find interesting in
this was how few Hollywood people were actually in it.

Speaker 4 (01:05:02):
Yeah, right, and me too.

Speaker 13 (01:05:03):
I know.

Speaker 8 (01:05:03):
They said the basics like five people like the mayor,
the three leads, Lorraine Gary and I think what the
like the writer who is one of.

Speaker 5 (01:05:11):
The none of the nobody's ever ended up being anybody,
and Christy Watkins.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
Christy Watkins, you know, Susan Backlany, I think her name.
She was actually a Hollywood actress. But most of the
people in it were either like locals that answered the ad.
I think that even the deputy, who had a pretty
significant speaking role.

Speaker 4 (01:05:32):
It really makes it seem like real people, right.

Speaker 5 (01:05:34):
Well when you think, when you think about it, the
last half of the show is basically a one could
be done on a stage of Broadway.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
Well they've done it, Yeah they have. Yeah, it's it's
a show. Now the musical back to pat Patriots Unfiltered
on TV. Our producer for that is a guy named
Don Maxon, and he actually went and saw it. I
think Robert.

Speaker 4 (01:05:56):
Shaw's son, I think, is the one who produced.

Speaker 5 (01:06:00):
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (01:06:01):
A couple highlights for me were just first seeing the
actual mechanics of the shark that they built and how
exactly because I've seen plenty of diagrams, but to see
how it kind of worked and how it didn't work,
and then there were just a couple of shots from
uh when Alex Kittner gets eaten and when the when
the robot guy gets eaten that they show footage of
what those attacks could have looked like.

Speaker 4 (01:06:22):
So you know the one.

Speaker 8 (01:06:23):
Fred where the guy's coming over in the rowboat to
the kids, so that death. Initially the shot is just
Michael kind of head on and you get the feeling
that the shark is like maybe.

Speaker 4 (01:06:31):
Gonna swim by him. But in the footage they show
it was like the guy was still in the shark's
mouth and then it like pushes Michael, so Michael's like
getting pushed by the shark while the guy is still
in the shark's mouth, which is a lot more traumatizing.
I mean still seeing a.

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
Guy get back in front of your commentary is like, yeah,
I didn't even send that to it.

Speaker 8 (01:06:51):
But even the Alex Kittner won too, which is it's
been on Facebook a lot that that was supposed to
be a lot more graphic attack and instead they chose
to spoo it out slowly and give you little glimpses here,
so you don't ever quite know what the shark is
until that last shot or that shot when it comes out.

Speaker 5 (01:07:08):
You think like if if Jaws had never come out,
the movie just didn't exist, and it came out now
in twenty twenty five, do you think it would be
a lot better back.

Speaker 8 (01:07:20):
You mean, like it was made, like it was made
with modern technology and modern.

Speaker 4 (01:07:23):
Technology and like things.

Speaker 8 (01:07:26):
No, I don't think it could because they digital it
and they and then they could be a certain point, yeah,
they at a certain point they would.

Speaker 4 (01:07:32):
It just wouldn't have that authentic feel to it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
So, I mean, obviously the guys that were talking about
that line of thought were biased because they were the
guys that were involved with making the Shark and yeahing
those kinds of things, and they feel like it definitely
would have suffered. Cgi. Even James Cameron I thought was
pretty interesting. Well, I'm talking about some of that stuff.

Speaker 8 (01:07:51):
James Cameron made one of my other favorite movies, Aliens,
which in eighty six was all practical too. At one
point when I was in California, I heard Stan Winston,
who did all the effects for it before you before
he died, speak and you know, he said, you can
go back to eighty six and this all still holds up.
It still looks like you are in the movie. He's like,
I watched this stuff now that we do with the
digital effects, and it takes you out of it.

Speaker 4 (01:08:10):
But maybe, like I'm.

Speaker 5 (01:08:11):
Not even saying that if they did it now, they
would resonate with people. Maybe the shark would be you know,
the physical shark would be that much better, and maybe
the script would be more hard, hard hitting, Yeah, like
more swearing or more realistic.

Speaker 8 (01:08:27):
Yeah, well, in the right hands, I think you're you're right,
Like if there was somebody like a Spielberg who wanted
to build a modern shark and really do it practical
to James Cameron.

Speaker 4 (01:08:36):
Because I think it's hard.

Speaker 8 (01:08:37):
To get scared of things that your brain processes.

Speaker 4 (01:08:40):
As that's that's a computer digit like.

Speaker 8 (01:08:43):
But there's something about puppetry and when it's done well
that it really looks real and it doesn't take you
out of it. You still think that that shark was
as bad as that shark was and as mechanical, they
did an amazing job showing it just enough to make
I thought some of the things that they were talking about,
like the marine biologists and things like that, talking about
how it would breach and then go to the side
when it was attacking.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
That's extremely realistic the way that they shot some of
the scenes, and that's exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:09:10):
How a great white would attack. It's prey. Uh huh.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
And I don't know if they knew all that when
they were doing it.

Speaker 4 (01:09:16):
Was it was there a clip there was somebody called
it the perfect movie.

Speaker 8 (01:09:18):
I think it might have been Quentin Tarantino. But I
was just laughing thinking to Evan, who was like, yeah,
it doesn't hold up.

Speaker 4 (01:09:23):
Oh I was, I was.

Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
It was so funny. There was a lot of those,
and again they didn't get the people that didn't like
it to participate in the documentary. There was plenty of
people that were not, you know, involved in the project
who spoke like.

Speaker 8 (01:09:37):
That, yeah, well what's her face Emily Emily Blunt, which
I like, what's she doing here?

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
Yeah? Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:09:44):
Jesse writes in for Pomona, California, can't wait to hear
the excitement from Fred during training camp.

Speaker 3 (01:09:49):
It gets me pumped.

Speaker 5 (01:09:51):
Paul's persuasiveness to not get my hopes up, Deuce's optimistic
attitude on the defensive side of the ball, Alex's insight
stories of all the new players, Evans wrought talent to
explain what's going on out there? Uh practice practice practice
question Week three against the Steelers. My wife and I
will be there to watch the game. It'll be our

(01:10:13):
first time traveling to Boston. What and who will you be?

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (01:10:16):
Great, so there's no question after that.

Speaker 5 (01:10:19):
What and who would you be willing to trade for
Terry McLaurin? What you want second round pick McLaurin.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
No, you're not going to get them for that, okay,
but I'd be willing to do that. Well, I mean
I shouldn't say you're not. That's not fair, Like you
never know. Maybe they just get tired of it and
they want to make a move. I would think it
would be a first round pick. But yeah, I would
give up a first round pick from Yeah, but I would.

(01:10:50):
It's hard because I don't know exactly how good that
they expect to be. If they think they're going to
be like this ten win team that can make the playoffs,
I would do that.

Speaker 4 (01:10:59):
You over the top, Yeah, gets you into that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
Maybe make sure that we're going to win double wins
and you know, because there's still I think Fred's concern
about the wide receiver spot is valid. Yeah, I do.
I think that they might be missing still at that spot.

Speaker 3 (01:11:14):
Do you think, like the NBA is famous for future
picks future draft picks, and the NFL does it a
little bit, But do you think like when it comes
to first round picks, the league will ever start like
take a thing like this, I don't want to give
him next year, but I'll give him a first round
pick two years from now, And that might ever become
a thing in the NFL.

Speaker 8 (01:11:34):
I mean, it's regimes changed so quick. It's with lower
round picks, Yeah, they do.

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
Like you hear about that once in a while, with
lower's second round pick this year, it's next year.

Speaker 5 (01:11:45):
Yeah, it's usually like a year. But like there's no
like really looking into the future.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
Like like no, Like the NBA is ridiculous.

Speaker 8 (01:11:52):
You think the owners are resistant to that because then
it might handcuff a future coach from doing what they
need to do. So you know, yes, somebody come in
and they clean you out of your draft picks for
the next four years, and then their.

Speaker 3 (01:12:03):
Horror could help a future coach.

Speaker 4 (01:12:05):
You know, if they get the town, you're getting the pick.
You know, I just be careful.

Speaker 8 (01:12:11):
I think I just think that's the easiest way to
stay good is to draft well and if you keep
your picks and you're you know, don't go chase the
car and try to chase the shiny object. If you
stay the course and you just have solid drafts everything.

Speaker 3 (01:12:24):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:12:24):
Like to me, like, let's just say that you lose
Terry McLaurin and you don't get a first round draft
pick for him for like two years down the road,
that still is now an asset in my pocket.

Speaker 4 (01:12:35):
Yeah, I don't have to I now can use that.

Speaker 5 (01:12:37):
First round pick to do something I wanted, you know,
So I would love to see them start trading these
picks like that a little bit more. I think it
would open it up for teams to exchange players a
little bit.

Speaker 8 (01:12:50):
I mean, it's it feels a little bit like putting
it on the credit card and yeah, we'll worry about
that down down the road a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:12:55):
The first round pick, the first round pick, you know,
it could go up and value or could go down
at value.

Speaker 4 (01:13:02):
It's hard to project too, because what what's that like?

Speaker 8 (01:13:04):
Are they going to be terrible in two years and
that's going to be a top five first round pick,
or are they are these moves going to allow them
to get a Super Bowl and that's going to be
a thirty. I mean, it's a huge disparity between what
the value might be and even harder to project that
far out.

Speaker 5 (01:13:17):
Spi and Fresno. Here's a little game I call sleeping
with the enemy. I'll list pairs of sports foes and
you have to choose which one you side with, not
saying you're necessarily root for either in a competitive context,
just picked between them in terms of which you like
or respect more. At a gut level, it's not who's
your worst enemy, it's who's your best enemy?

Speaker 4 (01:13:40):
Peyton or Matt Magic? Peyton?

Speaker 2 (01:13:43):
Who do I likening?

Speaker 4 (01:13:45):
Vers Menage John?

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
Who do I like more?

Speaker 4 (01:13:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:13:47):
Peyton Manning?

Speaker 4 (01:13:47):
Yeah? But uh, Marianno or Jeter Mariano Rivera.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
Let's talking about Mariano Rivera.

Speaker 5 (01:13:56):
Yeah, Terrell Suggs or Richard Sherman.

Speaker 8 (01:14:01):
Uh Sugs Shermans a bad guy.

Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
Sherman's kind of allowed a bad bad guy. Yeah, didn't
you like throw bleach on his girlfriend or somebody?

Speaker 4 (01:14:13):
Sherman?

Speaker 3 (01:14:14):
Ray Lewis or lt.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
Oh do I like more? That's tough Ray Lewis, That's
a tough one.

Speaker 4 (01:14:23):
Though.

Speaker 5 (01:14:24):
Here's a trio to rank Mike Tomlin, Rex Ryan, Andy Reid.

Speaker 8 (01:14:29):
Oh, in terms of like yeah, Andy Reid, Mike Tomlin,
Rex Ryan, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:14:34):
That's how I like all those guys.

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
I would go Andy Reid, Rex Rex Ryan, Mike Tomlin.

Speaker 3 (01:14:39):
Okay, Kevin Colbert or Bill Pollian, Yeah, Tom Brady or
Bill Belichick. Bill, we need to do that one, Eric
Scalavino or your many rescue dog with active rabies.

Speaker 2 (01:14:59):
That's the that's come on, that's just poor to me.

Speaker 3 (01:15:01):
Yeah, of course we take the dog.

Speaker 4 (01:15:05):
Let's see.

Speaker 5 (01:15:07):
Let's go back to the phones. They're piling up here.
People are waiting patiently, I might.

Speaker 2 (01:15:12):
Add, Oh, and especially for this one.

Speaker 4 (01:15:14):
You can't Virginia, what's up to see?

Speaker 9 (01:15:18):
Oh God, how you go doing?

Speaker 4 (01:15:19):
All right?

Speaker 9 (01:15:22):
Good? Good? I wanted to talk about what John. We'll
talk about that first, Like the first part of this
segment about there's probably not get certain kind of winds
or whatever, like you gonna look at it. Most don't
really perfect for real, some of the things you guys
mentioned or whatever you got talking about. I mean, there's
a uh, this is gota come to dital Smith or whatever.

(01:15:43):
Because he was at pianos. He was throwing through and
like the Locket, Uh a good book. I can't probably
putting his name at Calf. Look, we're gonna be throws
to in in oplan.

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
Brock Powers and Jacoby brock Bowers might be better than
any of the guys who was throwing to in Seattle.
Brock Bowers might be better than anyone he was throwing
in in Seattle.

Speaker 9 (01:16:11):
Yeah, but you have to have multiple guys though.

Speaker 2 (01:16:13):
Yeah. Jacobe Myers, they had two and you have the
Raiders have two.

Speaker 3 (01:16:18):
He might have one of the most dynamic running backs
in the league.

Speaker 2 (01:16:21):
We don't know yeteah, I mean, I'm not telling you
what the Raiders are going to be because like my
Boyfeller girl likes to say, I can't see the future.
I don't know what's going to happen. But on paper,
they have the makings of a decent skill crew. That's interesting.
Chip Kelly there as the new offensive coordinator. That could
absolutely work. Like you know, Tyler Lockett was at the

(01:16:42):
end of the road Smith and Jig but was a
good slot receiver and DK Metcalf was kind of a
one trick pony. Yeah, they have brock Bowers and Jacoby
Myers's to me, that's comple That's comparable and gent he's
better than any running back.

Speaker 9 (01:16:57):
Then I believe the Patriot.

Speaker 4 (01:17:00):
Maybe we'll see. Yeah, well I hope. So we talk
about Max Crosby.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
They didn't they didn't last year. That's you know, that's all. Yeah,
but they have absolutely improved on paper defensive, so that
some guys that should be better than what they had
last year.

Speaker 4 (01:17:16):
Shawn.

Speaker 3 (01:17:17):
Right now, the Patriots are favored by three in that game.
So the odds makers sound like they agree with you.

Speaker 4 (01:17:23):
Right now it's three and a half.

Speaker 2 (01:17:25):
Well you say that, that's you don't have speakers, don't
have the time.

Speaker 9 (01:17:31):
Person for the most part is Meca and I'm.

Speaker 4 (01:17:35):
Good huh yep.

Speaker 5 (01:17:36):
And and we've got the best cornerback duo in the league.

Speaker 2 (01:17:40):
So that.

Speaker 5 (01:17:44):
Yeah, all right, all right, you've convinced me one and
oh one and no, Deshaun, thanks for the call. Let's
go to Dan and Poughkeepsie.

Speaker 3 (01:17:54):
What's up, Dan?

Speaker 12 (01:17:57):
Hey guys, are you guys playing another game?

Speaker 4 (01:18:00):
Overall? Was up for games?

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
I would love to play playing games.

Speaker 12 (01:18:04):
All right. It's called get that player. I'm going to
describe a play in Patriots history. All you have to
do is get the Patriot involved.

Speaker 5 (01:18:13):
Paul will the spotlights on, Paul, Yeah, all right, go ahead.

Speaker 12 (01:18:17):
Right so first twenty fourteen AFC Championship game against the Colts.
In the third third quarter, a sixteen year touchdown was
caught by this non receiver to expand the lead.

Speaker 2 (01:18:27):
Nate Soldier.

Speaker 25 (01:18:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:18:30):
Nineteen ninety three, Week eighteen versus the Dolphins. In the
fourth quarter, one fourteen left in the game, Drew Bledstone
conceded an eleven yard go ahead touchdown to this player.

Speaker 3 (01:18:41):
Oh, well, go ahead because.

Speaker 2 (01:18:44):
Right, Michael Timpson.

Speaker 3 (01:18:47):
It was actually Ben Coates be okay.

Speaker 12 (01:18:52):
Twenty sixteen, Week fourteen against the Ravens. First quarter, this
player jumped over the center to block a Justin Tucker
field goal.

Speaker 4 (01:19:00):
Shane McClellan, Yeah, that's correct.

Speaker 12 (01:19:05):
Wild Card versus the Jets, second quarter. Vince Player caught
a touchdown pass in the back of the unzoned seconds
before halftime to help it make seventeen to ten.

Speaker 2 (01:19:15):
Oh, I remember that, I love Jabar Gaffney.

Speaker 12 (01:19:19):
It was actually Daniel Graham.

Speaker 4 (01:19:22):
Okay, took a shot and then this is the last one.

Speaker 2 (01:19:25):
Can't win if you don't play hard.

Speaker 12 (01:19:28):
Nineteen eighty five Wild Card versus the Jets, third quarter.
Vince player recovered a fumble and returned it fifteen yards
for a touchdown on a fumbled kickoff.

Speaker 2 (01:19:39):
Oh, jos, Cidrick Jones, is that the right answer?

Speaker 4 (01:19:45):
I just watched this. I should know, CG. Jones.

Speaker 2 (01:19:48):
Now I was going to go Jim Bowman, but Deuce
was going Ciedrick Jones.

Speaker 4 (01:19:53):
It was Johnny Rembert.

Speaker 2 (01:19:56):
I remember, now you should I shouldn't know.

Speaker 12 (01:19:58):
I know.

Speaker 4 (01:19:58):
That's a good game. And I love excellent good stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
Excellent game. Not an easy one, yeah, not a couple though.
Let's see who is this person? Somebody named Christian in La.
What's up, Christian?

Speaker 9 (01:20:13):
Yeah, hey you guys. Hope you guys are having a
great summer.

Speaker 4 (01:20:16):
Thanks.

Speaker 25 (01:20:16):
I just came back from taking my kids up and
driving up and down the coast of Oregon. Great this
time of year. Just didos and kind of chick out
the coast, and I hope you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:20:27):
Just plays the hits every time you went a convertible.

Speaker 3 (01:20:30):
Were you guys in a convertible.

Speaker 4 (01:20:31):
On the coast, But we were in a Tesla Tesla.

Speaker 2 (01:20:37):
On the way down. You just stopping wine country A.

Speaker 6 (01:20:40):
Little bit.

Speaker 9 (01:20:43):
Eleven year old and thirteen year.

Speaker 2 (01:20:44):
Old with kids, so they swam with the Do you
had an anty taking them?

Speaker 4 (01:20:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (01:20:49):
Right know, dude. From a guy's perspective, it was good talk,
you know, the guys to young guys, just trying to
seeing how their heads are these days as young or
a different than when we were young.

Speaker 4 (01:21:01):
Have you had to talk yet?

Speaker 25 (01:21:05):
No, because I think that they're they're kind of seeing
that stuff in the intering that thing, and I want
to figure out how to approach it from beth respectus
like we were young Turty magazine under the uncle's you know, mattress, so.

Speaker 9 (01:21:18):
There was a greater way to talk about it. I'm
trying to figure that out still, Okay, all right, sure,
I'm mad at you guys. I got a boot to
pick at you guys because and it goes with this
call earlier. But someone that said they weren't happy with
him wins And it kind of sounded like my call
like a couple of weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:21:35):
Yeah, it wasn't It wasn't you. It was on a
different show, right, I brought you up.

Speaker 25 (01:21:40):
I'm saying it kind of sounded like my call that
you guys and the rest of the callers gave me
up about with my call. It was with a great
season or a good season, and I said, for me,
a great season would need to be getting always Tama
Ways and getting a playoff when you guys gave me gup,
and I thought about that. Here's why I'm angry at
you guys. If you guys look at low into it,

(01:22:01):
since it's some places like a Jets fan or or
a Cleveland Browns fan where you're like, they're the last
two years really had four wins.

Speaker 9 (01:22:08):
So yeah, it lookd be great to get eight, nine,
ten wins. That would be a great season. No, we
are coming off of twenty years, twenty years of excellent.
Look to me as a Patriots fan, I expect to
get back to that. Eight wins, nine wins, that's a
good season, ten wins in a playoff game.

Speaker 2 (01:22:28):
So this didn't have anything to do with the call
that I was talking about then, because you got the
guy that called on our show when I was on
with Zoe and Tim mccoon last week, said it would
be a bad season, not a good season or a
great season, a bad season. He's not interested in winning
ten games. He thinks that would not be good. He'd
be upset with that is what he said. So we

(01:22:49):
really didn't have anything to do with this call. Yeah,
and it's not the same at all.

Speaker 9 (01:22:52):
He probably shared some of what I'm feeling.

Speaker 2 (01:22:55):
You know, it doesn't it sounds like you think that
would be good. No, you think you think ten wins
would be good. We think it would be great. This
guy thinks it would be bad. So it's really got
nothing to do with what you're saying at all.

Speaker 5 (01:23:06):
And Plus, if you really think they're going to get
back to the dynasty, I mean we all hope they will,
but is that realistic?

Speaker 20 (01:23:13):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:23:13):
I just would caution you to just instead of worrying
about the twenty years that happened twenty five years ago,
happened about why don't you focus on the last five
years and what happened then and then say you wouldn't
be happy with ten wins? Right?

Speaker 9 (01:23:25):
Not that focus in the last fight. That's not who
we have.

Speaker 4 (01:23:28):
Been, But that's who you are. So that is who
you are.

Speaker 3 (01:23:32):
I'm not who I was twenty years ago, and there's
no sense.

Speaker 2 (01:23:34):
Worrying about twenty eighteen. Yeah, that was a long time ago.
I didn't say anything about satisfaction. I said, that's who
you are.

Speaker 9 (01:23:45):
I could be satisfied.

Speaker 2 (01:23:46):
I didn't say you should be satisfied. You can do
whatever you want. As a fan, I don't. I don't
tell people what to what to feel, and what to think,
but I think that people have a warped sense of
what is actually a successful scene.

Speaker 5 (01:24:00):
Wanting to win super Bowls is different than expecting them
to win Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (01:24:05):
Yes, the goal is to win a super Bowl, but
the reality is you're not in position to win a Super.

Speaker 9 (01:24:09):
Bowl team if you have nothing to draw on like
other teams. I can see how you guys are feeling,
but we do have something to draw on.

Speaker 4 (01:24:17):
No, you don't, not recently, you don't.

Speaker 2 (01:24:20):
Do you ever won a playoff game since twenty eighteen.

Speaker 3 (01:24:22):
If our roster was the same roster as twenty fourteen,
I'd be right with you.

Speaker 4 (01:24:26):
But it's not.

Speaker 5 (01:24:26):
These are a whole different players, different coach, everything's different.

Speaker 9 (01:24:30):
Look exactly what I'm saying. We got new coaches, and
we supposedly did a kind a good draft. So yeah,
the expectation that we are getting back to what we're
supposed to be, that's what We've got a new coach.

Speaker 3 (01:24:42):
What's the what's the empirical evidence that you have that
they will get back to where you think they should be,
which is dynasty.

Speaker 25 (01:24:51):
My empirical evidence is that supposedly they've hired the right coach.

Speaker 4 (01:24:55):
Well, you just you just entered a.

Speaker 5 (01:24:58):
Word into the conversation. That's not a miracle. You said, supposedly.
I'm talking about hard evidence. What hard evidence do you
have that they are now a Super Bowl contender.

Speaker 9 (01:25:09):
It hasn't happened yet, But that even hasn't what you thought.

Speaker 13 (01:25:13):
Haven't even happened yet.

Speaker 4 (01:25:14):
I know, I know, but hasn't happened yet. It brings
something else up that you guys used to Thanks Christian,
another good try to troll everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:25:22):
You guys used to browbeat Andy and I when we said,
you know, there are other teams that have had successful
runs during the Remember we talk about like, you know,
the Eagles going to four NFC Championship games in a row,
and you know, they didn't have to say the Colts.

Speaker 3 (01:25:36):
Were and were not for the Patriots, they would be Colts.

Speaker 2 (01:25:40):
And now with Kansas City's doing and we've been mocked
and ridiculed for pointing out that other teams have actually
been successful too, because quote, no one will ever do
what the Patriots did over that twenty year span. Right,
how many times you hear people say that, Freddy sure,
that will never happen again. Now I'm supposed to think

(01:26:02):
the Patriots should be back to doing that, Right, You
guys spent two decades telling me that no one will
ever do that again. It's the greatest dynasty in the
history of sport and it will never be delicated with
Tom Brady and Bill Belichick did. No one will ever
do that again. And now I can't be happy unless I.

Speaker 5 (01:26:19):
Get back to that, And to expect them to do
that is diminishing what that was like. The fact that
you think it can be repeated so quickly takes away
from how amazing that was.

Speaker 2 (01:26:30):
I'm sorry if I'm going to be happy to win
ten games. If they happen to win ten games this year,
I'm not expecting them to ever have a stretch of
dominance over a twenty year period that they had. I'm
not expecting that. If it happens, great, but I'm not
going to sit there and say I'm not going to
be happy unless it's going to be like it was

(01:26:52):
back in the day, because I want to enjoy my
team like I'm not going to like expect something that's
so un realistic that maybe it's like lightning in a
bottle and it happens once a lifetime.

Speaker 8 (01:27:05):
And that's what I was just gonna say, you'd be
lucky to catch lightning in a bottle. Again, there's a
handful of teams that consistently are in the running for
Super Bowl, but I would say a large majority of
super Bowl champions are really made out of teams that
have two or three year runs where they're really good,
and they have Super Bowl this year, I'm not going
to be happy because that's only one right.

Speaker 2 (01:27:24):
It's a good start, and it's a good start, it's
something to be excited about going forward. But if they
don't do it for twenty years, it's not the same.

Speaker 5 (01:27:31):
And to the main flaw among many in Christian's argument
is that this team has done it before. No, it
hasn't a team named the Patriots did it. This team,
as it's comprised, has never done that before, has never
done that before, and there's no evidence right now that
they can do that. To want that, we all want that,

(01:27:54):
but to expect that again is completely crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:27:57):
You're gonna be disappointed for the rest of your life.

Speaker 2 (01:28:00):
And that's where Christians. You know, first of all, I
don't really believe that he believes this.

Speaker 12 (01:28:05):
Ing.

Speaker 2 (01:28:07):
If that's what he's wanting, that's you're prerogative as a fan,
but you're never going to have a standard that you
want to reach. But I don't think that's ever going
to give you any fulfillment because I don't think it's
realistic that they're going to have another twenty year run
that's going to duplicate what they did, and.

Speaker 4 (01:28:21):
How many teams just want one, They just want one.

Speaker 2 (01:28:24):
Kansas City is not even halfway there, right, I mean,
they're halfway there in terms of Super Bowl titles, but
they're not halfway there in terms of twenty years of dominance.
Should you not be happy if you're in Kansas City
because it's pales in comparison, or are you happy because, well,
Kansas City's never done it so they don't know, Like,
it's not a complacency. I don't want to be a

(01:28:46):
bottom dweller, So if they can move themselves from a
bottom dweller to a playoff contender, I would consider that progress.
Absolutely no one likes four and thirteen seasons.

Speaker 8 (01:28:56):
I mean, with Joe Cardona out the door, there's nothing left.
There's nothing left from that wild run. This is completely
new and how lucky you would be if it's.

Speaker 2 (01:29:03):
Gonna be the next seventh season removed from a playoff win.

Speaker 4 (01:29:06):
It's a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:29:07):
I mean, I said, that's what you are. We're not
the twenty years that happened from from all one to during.

Speaker 5 (01:29:13):
The dynasty, we were pulling our hair out because it
was ten years since they'd won a super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (01:29:17):
Meanwhile, during that ten years, they were.

Speaker 2 (01:29:19):
In yeah, they were in super Bowls. They were in
conference championships every ye week. They go eleven in conference
championships in a row, something silly like that.

Speaker 5 (01:29:26):
But our expectations back then was we haven't won one,
which okay, eleven.

Speaker 2 (01:29:31):
To eighteen, you know how many whatever that is nine.

Speaker 3 (01:29:33):
Because you were always close every year. But we're so
far removed from that.

Speaker 4 (01:29:38):
Like no, no, good, good try Christian. But he is
a like a next level Oh he gets he gets excited.

Speaker 8 (01:29:47):
Well if you can embody the spoiled Patriots fan and
be like, you know, I have unrealistic exce but he's.

Speaker 2 (01:29:52):
Good at it. Like even like he starts off, I
just you know, the drive down from Oregon, like it's
definitely and I do I appreciate it because, as you
guys know, I like to be snarky. I like that.

Speaker 8 (01:30:03):
That's you know what's another part of the though, Fred,
I don't think that we as like the players like
all these players like they have no concept of what
that Patriots teams like, they.

Speaker 4 (01:30:12):
Have no connection to it.

Speaker 8 (01:30:13):
A guy like Robert Spelane has been, you know, slowly
working his way up, and he is superhull.

Speaker 2 (01:30:18):
Pepper who's never been on a winning team. I mean, right,
do you think he'd be happy to go ten and
seven thrilled? Make the playoffs feel like he's part of buildings?

Speaker 5 (01:30:27):
And yes, that shouldn't be your ultimate goal, but babe,
you know, we got to get.

Speaker 3 (01:30:35):
To a level of respectability first. James James writes in
Army James at North Carolina Army, thank you for your service.
If that's true, Hey.

Speaker 2 (01:30:48):
Guys, longtime custon of stealing valor.

Speaker 5 (01:30:51):
Well, he says that's a shot at Marine Matt, So
I don't know if he's kidding or not.

Speaker 4 (01:30:55):
I guess army versus Marine? Maybe is that what he's saying?

Speaker 3 (01:30:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:30:59):
That much? Oh, long time listener, long enough to be
confident that the Africa book never came out.

Speaker 2 (01:31:09):
I think, be confident confidence.

Speaker 5 (01:31:12):
I'm excited to get a chance to see the legit
talent on this team. With experience and the coaching staff
and some luck, hopefully we can sidestep the ever present
injury bug. What depth moves can be made before week
one to most prepare us to play next Man up ball?

Speaker 8 (01:31:30):
Grab another edge, Grab one of the veteran edges that
are out there, just a little somebody's played support, build some.

Speaker 4 (01:31:38):
Depth that'll help you play next man up ball. Yeah,
I think so.

Speaker 8 (01:31:41):
I mean, I think that's just a place where you
lose one guy and it's it's gonna get hard to
play next Man up ball. You're gonna quickly be putting
guys into you know, positions that.

Speaker 4 (01:31:50):
They all stay healthy. I think they'll be okay. But
that's one place I think you pull the thread. It
unravels pretty quick. Paul's pawn it brought up left tackle.
I mean, that's I don't know if there's.

Speaker 2 (01:32:00):
Anything generally, because one of them is thirty four fives, yeah,
and the other ones, you know, just starting his career,
and I don't I think if you lose either one
of them, you're right back where you were last year.

Speaker 8 (01:32:13):
Yeah, I'm hoping that maybe different coaching staff can get
different results.

Speaker 2 (01:32:16):
Of Maybe Kayden Wallace is a better right tackle this
year than he was last.

Speaker 8 (01:32:20):
One of these more prepared something, you know, something emergency.
You know, can Kad and Wallas just be the swing
tackle where Yeah, it was like Cam Fleming, like a
guy who just like you know, when he has to
go in there, he's fine like you.

Speaker 2 (01:32:32):
It doesn't it doesn't fall apart if he has to
go in there. And there was the kid, Uh do
we have two different Jacobs tackles? I know, Dimantra Jacobs.
There was another one that was seventy two.

Speaker 4 (01:32:48):
Might have been the Jacobs they got really him.

Speaker 2 (01:32:50):
Like it kind of fell apart when he had to
go with Yeah, yeah, I don't remember his name. I
don't mean to be disrespectful, but you guys know, if
you ask me something from nineteen eighty two, I can
get you. He asked me something from last year, I can't.
But yeah, when that kid went in, it kind of deteriorated.
So you want to get to a point where you
have a little bit better options. And I think if

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Cayden Wallace, to Mike's point, turns out to be a
good solid swing tackle that you know, I don't have
to I can set it and forget it. If he
has to go in, I don't have to change my offense.
That would be a great sign.

Speaker 5 (01:33:23):
Yeah, Dylan writes in says I wanted to clear up
the gatekeeping take from last week. Since Fred doesn't read
my emails, I can't read them all. It was presented
somewhat disingenuously that some fans gatekeep the Patriots fan base
if you're fans of other teams such as the Yankees
and Bulls.

Speaker 4 (01:33:42):
That's not true.

Speaker 5 (01:33:44):
What actually happens is that when the Celtics or Red
Sox do good, the crew talks about it, and then
fans have to write a call to say stick to
the Patriots because not everyone is a fan of all
Boston sports. And in that case, yes, we're better than
you anyway. Red Sox ten in a row, baby one
hundred million less than the Yankees, and we have the
same record. Drake may will be top ten quarterback this year.

Speaker 3 (01:34:07):
Book it okay, hope don't. I don't understand what he's saying.

Speaker 2 (01:34:11):
Why does it make you feel good? That you spend
one hundred million less than somebody.

Speaker 3 (01:34:15):
Yeah, I don't care.

Speaker 2 (01:34:15):
What do you make? What did you get from that?
Paying your most expensive tickets in the league? But what
it's a lot in it for you.

Speaker 3 (01:34:21):
Then, But do you understand the last part of this?
The crew talks about it, and then fans have to
write or call to say stick to Patriots because not
everyone is a fan of all boss and sports. I
get that, and in that case, yes, we're better than you.
Who's who's us? We are better?

Speaker 4 (01:34:38):
Who's we'd like?

Speaker 2 (01:34:39):
Patriots fans like who like the I this is something
that happened last week. I don't know. There's gatekeeping things,
so I don't know the origins. Well it's it's but
I take it as he's talking about fan Patriots fans.

Speaker 3 (01:34:49):
Fans don't like the newcomers.

Speaker 2 (01:34:52):
They key there are no long time Patriots fans. They've
been around since week three of All One.

Speaker 4 (01:34:56):
Well the band they don't like the Bandwagon fans.

Speaker 3 (01:34:59):
Yeah, you know, so.

Speaker 4 (01:35:01):
I'm not your fans.

Speaker 3 (01:35:03):
You don't understand.

Speaker 4 (01:35:04):
And he's another email.

Speaker 3 (01:35:05):
Okay, he's just thinking about the health of Richard dry.

Speaker 4 (01:35:14):
I told you for we worked with Richard Dreyfus who
was kind of painting the butt. I've heard that a lot.
I've heard that a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:35:20):
It just seems like very smug and arrogant, kind of
like Jason Alexander.

Speaker 3 (01:35:28):
Sure, oh yeah, Like Jim's really going downhill with.

Speaker 2 (01:35:33):
Commercials and George. Yeah, I wonder if he had some
bad investments that he's trying to chase now, because I
agree he's been in some like commercial money's passing.

Speaker 4 (01:35:44):
Do you think like he.

Speaker 5 (01:35:45):
Or Michael Richards ever calls Jerry say he could you
give me a little bit of money?

Speaker 4 (01:35:48):
I mean, like, I know you and Michael, what.

Speaker 2 (01:35:52):
Do you think about getting the band back together?

Speaker 4 (01:35:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:35:54):
You know, can you do some type of fundraiser for me?

Speaker 2 (01:35:57):
Because the other two are highly successful?

Speaker 8 (01:35:59):
You yeah, right, But if George is doing commercials and stuff,
well we were just talking about the type of commercials
are like, you know, but.

Speaker 2 (01:36:08):
He's probably making some pretty good money.

Speaker 3 (01:36:10):
Doing Oh sure, but like still like.

Speaker 2 (01:36:13):
And Michael Richards got himself in some trouble, right, oh yeah,
he got kind of cant.

Speaker 3 (01:36:16):
He got I don't even know if he lives in
America anymore.

Speaker 4 (01:36:19):
Really.

Speaker 3 (01:36:21):
Sean's and Vancouver on the Hotline what's up Sean.

Speaker 10 (01:36:24):
Hey Paul, I'm your age and I've been on a
Patriots fan for as long as I can remember, so
that's a way before two thousand and one.

Speaker 2 (01:36:32):
No, I'm talking about what they're talking about, the Johnny
cum latelies. Oh yeah, there's a lot, that's what they're
railing against. Not I mean, obviously I grew up here.
I've been a Patriots fan my whole life.

Speaker 10 (01:36:43):
Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. So I just want to
talk about Jaws of that. You were mentioning that there
weren't a lot of big stars, but when when this
movie was before it actually was shot, the initial budget
was was four millions, so they didn't expect it.

Speaker 2 (01:36:56):
To be Can I just interrupt it for one second, Sean,
they actually had big star Like Robert Shaw was a
big star. They didn't have any Hollywood actors. There was
I believe seven.

Speaker 4 (01:37:07):
Yea like all the supporting roles.

Speaker 2 (01:37:09):
Most of the people that show up on the movie
were not like professional actors and actresses. It was as
Mike said, it was Robert Shaw, Roy Scheider, Lemaine, Gary
Richard Dreyfus, Carl Gottlieb and Chrissy Watkins and Susan murk
Lee and the mayor Murray Hamilton. Murray Hamilton. That was it.

(01:37:30):
Everybody else was like either an extra or a local
some some sort. They weren't like Hollywood actors and actresses.
But the ones that they had were good names, like
Richard du Roy Scheider and Robert Shaw especially, they were
big names.

Speaker 10 (01:37:47):
You know that they were Paul, there were people like
that were really raking in the box up. So and
this is Pielberg's second big movie, like his circulant expresses
when it was coming off, but he didn't have the
the a name that you would later get.

Speaker 4 (01:38:02):
You know, well, I think not having like the huge,
huge superstar.

Speaker 5 (01:38:06):
I think at the end now you know, in hindsight
helped the movie. Like it wasn't like you don't remember
the movie for Paul Newman or Robert Redford. You know,
you remember the movie for like what happened in the movie.

Speaker 10 (01:38:21):
Yeah, and then the box office was like huge. It
was way bigger than any other Americans fult made in
that con seventy five minutes. It actually became the first
summer blockbuster. Yep, that wasn't a time when big movies were.

Speaker 4 (01:38:34):
Even released, absolutely true.

Speaker 5 (01:38:36):
Yeah, all right, okaying, all right, thanks Sean. Do you
remember where you were the first time you saw Jaws?

Speaker 3 (01:38:44):
No, you don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:38:45):
I really I was. I was on the cape. I
just don't remember. I don't remember the specific problem movie.
I probably like so many times, or Hyennus something, because
that's where we used to go.

Speaker 4 (01:38:55):
I really don't know if I've ever seen a theater either.
I mean, that's why I kind of want to go next.

Speaker 5 (01:38:59):
I was in the theater and it was packed, and
we sat in the very first row, and I was
a kid, you know, and like.

Speaker 3 (01:39:06):
When that head popped out of the boat, you.

Speaker 8 (01:39:09):
Know, it comes out Friday, last Friday, August, and I'm
gonna be tempted, and we all come in here if
it's a slow camp day.

Speaker 2 (01:39:16):
Hello yourself, young fellow. Hello, Yeah, that guy that's Ben Gardner. Yeah, yeah,
I didn't know that I was. I was fifty seven
years old when I found out that that was Ben. Yeah,
I learned.

Speaker 4 (01:39:27):
I learned that recently too, that that's theme.

Speaker 2 (01:39:29):
I did not make the connection. It was the same guy.

Speaker 8 (01:39:30):
Yeah, yeah, it's the same guy doing the I got
their mothers down and doing the whole speech on the
boat going on yep.

Speaker 3 (01:39:37):
Uh, let's see, let's go to Atlanta. Raised on the line,
what's up?

Speaker 13 (01:39:41):
Ray Hey?

Speaker 14 (01:39:42):
I yep hey piggedback on what you Wall was saying, Paul,
and I agree with everything he's saying because it's not
about being uh pestimistic, you know, it's not about being
a Debbie downer. But it's like, we have yet to
see what they're gonna do, you know, because it's like

(01:40:05):
it sounds good, you know, seeing the videos and seeing
the practices and stuff like that, but it's like if
that no one's executing, then there's gonna be another terrible season,
you know. And we're all hype it's gonna be more
greater than its gonna be better than last year. But
they still have to put in the work, you know,

(01:40:25):
because we can, we can have a super team, a
super squad. But it's like, okay, now what you're gonna do?
You know, And it's not about just being negative, it's
about being realistic. Don't be delusional, you know, we're not.
You know, our goal is to not stuck. But it's
like we have to call it how it is a

(01:40:46):
spade of spain, you know, and they just have to
execute and we'll be somewhere clear to the playoffs and
you know, but all that unrealistic stuff super Bowl, you know, playoffs,
we just got a see. Yeah, you know they have
to execute. So yeah, any givens Sunday. But let's let's

(01:41:08):
let's be real and I agree with everything y'all saying
to y'all rocket.

Speaker 4 (01:41:12):
All right, thanks rays Ray, I appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:41:14):
That's why I kept bringing up empirical evidence, like you
can hope and think and supposedly and all that stuff,
but right to expect to get back to where that's.

Speaker 4 (01:41:25):
A week from tomorrow. It can stop being so much
just speaking about this Mike Fable Patriots and we have
no idea about was start to get some.

Speaker 2 (01:41:31):
Actual but that can actually change too, Like once the
season gets underway and you have a team that you
know had modest expectations and all of a sudden, wow,
it's it's clicking. The offense that we've not seen, as
Mike said, in the entire time that he's been here,
all of a sudden, he's scoring you know, thirty points
a game. Well if that changes expectations, right, Like I

(01:41:55):
didn't envision them having this kind of a high powered offense.
I knew the defense would be better, but now the
defense is really good, and all of a sudden you
go from being happy to win ten games to well,
why are we going to stop at ten games? So
we can change? Expectations can change. But Fred's word about
empirical what have you seen already to lead you to
believe that that kind of a jump on offense is

(01:42:18):
going to happen? To me, there's only one thing that
can possibly make that happen, and that's a meteoric rise
by the quarterback. That's what happened in Houston two years ago,
That's what happened in Washington last year. No reason why
it can't happen in New England this year.

Speaker 4 (01:42:33):
I feel like the opposite has been happening the lastew years.
We have to adjust my expectations the other way, and
I you know, like I don't know, they might be
around five hundred, and then you start to see it
in September and you know that it's not going to
go that way.

Speaker 2 (01:42:45):
But that's the fun of it. And that's another part
of it. That and I've been trying hard not to
do this, but like the optimism around and everybody keeps
saying it right what they're going to do that they've
brought in Vaybel and they have this excitement and this
is a lot of the stuff that we were talking
about last year before we actually saw it, Before the

(01:43:06):
season actually got underway and they couldn't move the ball,
there was a lot of talk about optimism and a
lot of talk heading into the season. I could I
eight nine wins a lot. Yeah, I'm not going to
call out all the different media guys that did it,
but there were a lot of local media guys predicting
eight nine to ten wins last year until they actually

(01:43:26):
saw the team play, and then you're like, oh, I
don't think they're as good as I thought they were.

Speaker 21 (01:43:30):
Right.

Speaker 8 (01:43:31):
It's like, if you can't have that kind of optimism
when you get a new coach, then I think you're
really in.

Speaker 4 (01:43:35):
A bad place. I think like some of it is
just a function of and yes, the past history of
the Patriots and their success, that's a very high bar
of what success looks still looks like around here.

Speaker 8 (01:43:45):
But you know, generally speaking, the expectations are what they
are right now, What are they going to be in
a month from right now?

Speaker 4 (01:43:52):
They might be a little bit different.

Speaker 3 (01:43:53):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:43:53):
We'll see how the injuries play out and all that.

Speaker 5 (01:43:56):
Some emails from last week, kind of following up on
some things that we were talking about Joe and the
darkness rights In. I was saying how I didn't think
that the uniforms as they currently are that bad. I
didn't like the blue on blue, but other than that
they're fine. But Joe says, Fred, You're dead wrong about
the uniforms Blueberries aside. The twenty twenty uniform redesign is awful,

(01:44:19):
unprofessional and unbecoming of this franchise, easily a bottom five
uniform in the NFL, change asap.

Speaker 4 (01:44:28):
Do you feel that strongly about it?

Speaker 8 (01:44:30):
I don't feel quite strongly that that strongly about it,
But I do feel very strongly about the uniforms that
they wont Super Bowls, and that's what I feel strongly about,
and I'd be open to a lot of different options.
I think that's great when teams can mix it up
in that. I just my bottom line is that I
think the Dynasty uniforms need to have a place in
the rotation.

Speaker 5 (01:44:48):
Okay, Ali and Tennessee rights In, She said, I hired
a technician to fix my Whirlpool washing machine. And I
asked him, as a professional, what washing machine brand would
you recommend? And I laughed and he instantly answered Speed Queen.
You should really get a Speed Queen affiliate link. I'm
a new homeowner since the off season, Fred, what are
your other tips or hot takes as it relates to

(01:45:09):
the home?

Speaker 3 (01:45:09):
I trust you.

Speaker 4 (01:45:11):
Well, I should do it, Tian right now.

Speaker 8 (01:45:13):
I saw a video on YouTube where they're going around
asking car mechanics what kind of cars you buy?

Speaker 4 (01:45:18):
And every single one of us is Toyota.

Speaker 3 (01:45:20):
It's like it's the first every mechanics, I have a Lexus.

Speaker 5 (01:45:23):
It's the third one I've had, and it's not the
high end one. I have one hundred and seventy six
thousand miles on it. It runs like a piece shot
no I know, but like all I've never had a problem.

Speaker 4 (01:45:34):
They are made so well.

Speaker 5 (01:45:37):
There's really good value in Toyota, which is Lexus than company.

Speaker 2 (01:45:41):
For everybody that I talk to in that business, it's
Toyota Honda for you know, every day you know, and
if you want a little higher end, it's a Lexus Lexus.
I've always wanted a Lexus SUV, but probably never going
to have that, but Toyota and Honda's last forever they do.

Speaker 4 (01:46:00):
Yep, let's see uh.

Speaker 5 (01:46:04):
Sean writes in from Bolton in the UK. I love
the offseason shows. They have a nice mixture of team
talk and over the stuff like soap and a rope
to bin collections. Looking at this season, I hear a
lot of people going on about eleven wins and making
the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (01:46:21):
Please stop.

Speaker 5 (01:46:22):
I see six to seven wins, but a big improvement
in how the team plays.

Speaker 3 (01:46:27):
Don't forget.

Speaker 5 (01:46:27):
This is still a rebuild, but with this management team,
we will get there. And congratulations to Evan and Beth
on their wedding. Plus, how do I get hold of
one of the p U T shirts over here in
the UK?

Speaker 4 (01:46:38):
Married your wife?

Speaker 3 (01:46:41):
And any update on the T shirts? This is gonna
be a daily.

Speaker 4 (01:46:46):
Thing you have a meeting about. You have to meet about.

Speaker 2 (01:46:51):
Because I have vacation.

Speaker 5 (01:46:53):
So this is such a thing that you need to
have a meeting.

Speaker 4 (01:46:57):
Well, yes about it?

Speaker 3 (01:46:59):
Okay, in this meeting. Oh so the meeting isn't about
T shirts.

Speaker 5 (01:47:04):
It's not a T shirt me Okay, all right, sorry
about that.

Speaker 2 (01:47:12):
Okay, I haven't heard anything about this. Well, I haven't
seen my boss weeks. I was gone last week. He
was here, I was he was gone the week before.

Speaker 5 (01:47:27):
Mario writes in I've been listening to the Soap with
a Slot Discussion for the better part of fifteen years,
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usage efficiency. I'm sad this settles a Soap with a
Slot discussion, but happy Fred can sleep easy at night right.

Speaker 4 (01:47:55):
Now and now you have one. Yeah, thanks to Steve.

Speaker 5 (01:47:58):
Steve for the Pats people saying an eight win season
will be a disappointment, eight paid chips as a kid,
eight will be a success if Drake looks good. Eleven
wins in a playoff, Berth and I'll buy soap bags
for the whole gang. You guys are the best, keep
up the great work. So the natural Sisal soap bag
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good solution. It is I'm not going to like, but
some people don't like to have your soap through another membrane.
You want membrane, you want them, you want the soap.

Speaker 4 (01:48:33):
You know you want to join the two soaps together, but.

Speaker 3 (01:48:36):
You don't want to have to like.

Speaker 2 (01:48:37):
Well, wouldn't like those bags? Like how soft are they?

Speaker 4 (01:48:41):
They look?

Speaker 20 (01:48:41):
Like?

Speaker 4 (01:48:42):
Course? Yeah, a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:48:45):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:48:46):
Some minor news here. Smith, Trey Smith, the lone franchise
tagged player, has signed in the extension with Kansas.

Speaker 4 (01:48:53):
City paid guard.

Speaker 2 (01:48:54):
So they have the highest paid center and guard now
in football. But seemed to be a wise use of
resources by As I've said in the past and will
continue to say, the cap no longer matters.

Speaker 8 (01:49:04):
What was Tuney the highest pig guard when they when
they paid him, was that deal obviously?

Speaker 4 (01:49:08):
Yeah, he was up there, yep, and they traded him.
They traded that.

Speaker 2 (01:49:13):
They traded him to Chicago.

Speaker 4 (01:49:14):
Yeah, I just I didn't know if he became a
free agent need But yeah, let's see Longino is annoyed.

Speaker 5 (01:49:24):
By that guy from LA. Man, that guy Christian from
LA is really something. And it's crazy to think that
there's many others with that mindset where now we're expecting
super Bowls and going back to a dynasty because of coaching.
In a few pieces, We've been horrible the last season
since Brady left, and now we're rebuilding at the moment
and have something to look forward to. Hopefully we can

(01:49:45):
get back to relevancy and start winning. I think he's trolling,
but still he's very triggering and needs to stop calling
he is.

Speaker 2 (01:49:52):
He's good at it.

Speaker 4 (01:49:53):
Felder would love this guy in his shop.

Speaker 2 (01:49:55):
I give him credit because I think he's good at it.

Speaker 8 (01:49:57):
Yeah, just imagine them, like a season where Patriots make
the play layoffs. You know, they get a playoff game,
they're on the road, tough, tough game, down at the end,
they lose in the last minute.

Speaker 4 (01:50:06):
We come in for the postgame show and we're like, wow,
you know that sucked. That's a tough way to go out.

Speaker 2 (01:50:10):
But what a season, you know, like, you know, just
that sucks. He's call it me like when they're an
idiot if you think that was good, Like in twenty
one when Mac Jones was the quarterback. Now you can
have varying degrees of sort of enthusiasm and excitement for
the future. But who was saying that the twenty twenty
one season with a rookie quarterback winning ten games was bad?

(01:50:35):
Who was saying it was bad? That's the call that
I got on the radio, is that would be bad,
not good instead of great, like Christians saying it would
be good but not a great season. The guy who
called in on the sports Hub said it would be bad.

Speaker 4 (01:50:49):
Right, differently, don't do it.

Speaker 2 (01:50:52):
So maybe you looked at it in all fairness here
the way I did in twenty one, and I didn't
think they could get to you to win games despite
the quarterback, right, So I wasn't overly like way, do
you see what happens next year?

Speaker 4 (01:51:08):
Well, they got smoke too in the finale.

Speaker 2 (01:51:10):
The right, and they got smoked by all the other
teams that they played that had a pulse that year
that didn't have twenty seven guys on the COVID list. Right,
you know, Baker Mayfield playing with a separated shoulder and
the Titans coming here with like Deannest Johnson instead of
Derrick Henry in the backfield. To know, there's a big
difference with what they faced. I didn't expect that to
happen the next year, and it didn't, and it didn't

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happen again the following year. So you can be excited
about it, you know, with tempered enthusiasm, because I'm not
sure that that's sustainable. But to say that it's bad
that they won ten games, No, the twenty one season
was a good season. They went they went to the playoffs,
but probably wasn't a great year, but it was good,
you know.

Speaker 8 (01:51:49):
To continue that postgame conversation, they probably continues along, all right, well,
now they've got a second place contract, you know, second
place schedule next year, and it's gonna get harder. Yes,
they made some strides this year, but they got to
go find the guy at edge or they got to
go find the guy at receiver either, like.

Speaker 2 (01:52:03):
The But what I thought building you know, again, this
goes back to a whole bunch of team building things
and why teams that tend to knock it out of
the park and free agency in a year it's generally
a one year bump and it goes back down because
all these owners are very similar and Robert Craft said
it at the time that we're not going to be

(01:52:25):
able to do that every year. And he's not any
different than every other guy in that league. So you're
going to go out and spend two hundred and fifty
million dollars in guaranteed contracts one offseason. You're probably not
going to do that again the next year. That's why
it goes up and down, because they needed to fill
a lot of holes, just like they need to fill
a lot of holes this year. They've done a lot

(01:52:47):
of that. They're gonna need to do it again next
year if you want to continue to go on. The
rise goes back to.

Speaker 8 (01:52:53):
A point I wanted to make earlier that I didn't.
It was just that there's a real need for some
young players. We talked a lot about the offensive line
Kadan Wallas, young players who haven't done anything yet that
still maybe have some promise to step up and build
some of the depth.

Speaker 4 (01:53:05):
They can't rebuild the whole team.

Speaker 8 (01:53:07):
They need some of those guys from the last couple
draft classes that haven't done much yet to step up
and provide some of that depth. Maybe some of those
guys are going to get thrust into bigger roles because
of injuries or whatever. But that to me is the
bit a big wild card for this camp. Dude, does
anybody rise up? I connected to what I said to you,
Fred about your offensive line thing. You know, it's a
good sign if you know a City Sow or a

(01:53:28):
Kayden Wallace or a Leyden Robinson or you know my
guy Jalen Poll if it was some of those guys
that disappointing didn't quite get over the hump last year
can come and start to contribute. Then you feel like,
well we have a little bit of a core, a
young corps that gives you some room to make mistakes
in the draft and not have to well, we got
to fill everything now, you know that's what's hard for
me right now.

Speaker 4 (01:53:47):
Find some of those young guys to step up.

Speaker 5 (01:53:50):
Mike and Florida writes in you mentioned it today or recently,
but I haven't heard anything lately. What's going on with
our new defensive coordinator? I heard he's very highly regarded,
but also.

Speaker 3 (01:54:00):
So he's got some illness.

Speaker 5 (01:54:01):
Can you tell us about him and some of the
other new defensive coaches and give a health update on
the new DC? Well, I do hear that he will
be back for training camp. He's not gonna be running sprints,
but he will be here.

Speaker 4 (01:54:14):
Yeah, that's good news.

Speaker 8 (01:54:15):
I mean, clearly has a big connection with Mike Frabele.
You've seen probably the clips now where he talks about
Mike Frable. Personal relationship, big reason why he's here as
much as an opportunity to being defensive coordinator. Had a
tough year, I mean, I don't want to say had
a challenging year in Detroit last year, had talent, a
lot of injuries.

Speaker 4 (01:54:32):
But he's got a little bit of cross section experience
in some different systems as well, and he's a big
part of wal why I'm excited. I hear, I hear.
He's a good teacher.

Speaker 3 (01:54:42):
He's a good coach.

Speaker 5 (01:54:44):
Like I don't know how as a coordinator he is,
but like he's a good coach.

Speaker 3 (01:54:49):
People who he's coached that you know he teaches well,
I learned a lot from him.

Speaker 5 (01:54:53):
So that's you know, you got Christian Barmer still relatively young,
ke On White's still relatively young.

Speaker 4 (01:54:59):
They have a lot to learn.

Speaker 8 (01:55:00):
Yeah, it's one of the it's one of the handful
of unknown elements from the spring, something we didn't really
get to see at all. I mean, it's and it's
probably the biggest piece that we haven't seen yet is
the defensive court.

Speaker 2 (01:55:11):
And I think it is good news if Fred is
right and Fred's intel is accurate, because I think that
that's been an underrated problem with some of the coaching
issues that they've had in the recent past. You know,
the year that Adrian klem was was you know, how
to leave the team for a while when Bill O'Brien's
running the intil it's not an ideal situation to lose

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your coordinator or even if he's there, but you're doing
it on zoom calls and whatnot. You know, some guys
have a hard time learning that way. So the best
case scenario, obviously for Terrell Williams, first and foremost is
personal health, but the best situation for the entire defense
would be to have him here full time. As far

(01:55:52):
as what he is as a coach, I'm not gonna lie.
I never heard the name until we hired him as
the offense the defensive coordinator, I never heard of him,
so I don't know what he is as a coach.

Speaker 4 (01:56:01):
Mark in Connecticut, what's up? Mark?

Speaker 13 (01:56:05):
Hey, guys, thanks for taking my call. As always, I
appreciate it.

Speaker 10 (01:56:08):
Well, Hi, I don't know if you guys have talked
about this, but Traveon Henderson I believe is still unsigned,
and I can't believe that Mike Brabel would want to
go into training camp, you know, with a distraction like
of that. I'm not sure what's going on with that,
but I know a lot of the second round picks
are not signed because of guaranteed money and everything. Yep,

(01:56:29):
but I just wanted to get your guys to take Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:56:31):
I mean thirty out of the thirty two are run signed. Yeah,
you definitely want to get that done. But I wouldn't.
I wouldn't get too concerned about it. You know, this
happens a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:56:39):
You know, unless he's not here. Well, yeah, if he's
not here at the start of camp, I agree with Mark,
that's not ideal.

Speaker 5 (01:56:46):
But your guy Remandre will step up. You said he's
going to have a better year.

Speaker 2 (01:56:49):
No, I know, but you want, Mike say, I think
is important is to have some young guys emerge into rules. Sure,
and I don't necessarily I know that both running backs,
I don't see them playing in the same position. I've
said this a lot, a lot. I think he's more
of the pass catching type in the change of pace
running back reminder, Stevenson is the every dollar back. But
you need him.

Speaker 5 (01:57:10):
Here, I agree, and he needs to be here for
his own development. But of all the things to be
worried about.

Speaker 4 (01:57:15):
I'm not that worried about that. It's part of it.
I mean, it's becoming an interesting league issue. I mean
that I was.

Speaker 8 (01:57:22):
I wasn't a couple of weeks ago, but you know,
now it's it's starting to develop into a thing. I
think it's less about specifically Trevian Henderson and the Patriots.

Speaker 2 (01:57:29):
It's more about the second round pick for the Chargers
is now officially a holdout. He's one of the thirty
that second round picks that are unsigned today.

Speaker 3 (01:57:39):
If he's not here Friday, he's a holdout, right.

Speaker 2 (01:57:42):
Well, right for the Patriots. Yeah, yeah, I think that's
Friday is the rookie reporting day, right, Yeah. I mean
even if you want to say next Wednesday, you know,
the official start of camp, if he's not here. Yeah,
And I don't know how you could just say that
that's that's no problem, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:57:57):
He the caller said, you know, I don't don't want
that to be a distraction. Do you think it'll be
a distraction if he's not here?

Speaker 8 (01:58:04):
I know, I agree with I don't think of any
rookie at any position I want him here as much.

Speaker 2 (01:58:09):
Absolutely bad. First and foremost for Trevon Henderson into a
much lesser extent the offense. But I don't think it'll
be a distraction.

Speaker 8 (01:58:17):
And it's also enough again that you can point to
league wide this is an issue.

Speaker 2 (01:58:23):
Yeah, yeah, Okay, Well they don't have that's not the
same thing.

Speaker 3 (01:58:26):
I know, I know they don't have to be.

Speaker 2 (01:58:28):
He's got to be under No, but he's got to
be under contract to be to well, he doesn't have
to be, but my guess is he will want to
be under contract. If you get hurt, then you're really screwed.
My guess is it'll get done. This is going to
be something with thirty guys involved. Like if it was
one or two guys that were holding out, I'd be worried.

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But thirty guys, they're all waiting for the same thing.

Speaker 4 (01:58:51):
My guess we'll figure out a work around.

Speaker 2 (01:58:53):
In general, I think Fred will be right. Here's the fall,
all right, that's one of those.

Speaker 4 (01:58:56):
It'll be fine, It'll be fine.

Speaker 3 (01:58:58):
All right. That's it for this edition of Patriots Unfiltered.
Is Evan going to do a cash twenty two this.

Speaker 2 (01:59:04):
Week or no?

Speaker 4 (01:59:05):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:59:05):
I believe that the edict was you will not be
doing it.

Speaker 4 (01:59:09):
I would put it past.

Speaker 2 (01:59:11):
I know he would know, he'll try.

Speaker 3 (01:59:12):
It's all right, but moving back on Thursday.

Speaker 4 (01:59:15):
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into the show.

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