Patriots Unfiltered 7/24: Takeaways from First Two Days of Training Camp, Mike Onwenu In-Studio Interview

Tune-in as the PU crew break down what stood out from the first two days of Patriots Training Camp. Plus, offensive tackle Mike Onwenu joins us in studio for an exclusive interview.

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Speaker 4 (00:25):
All right, we're we're.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
In no open.

Speaker 4 (00:29):
We are in it to it. We are in it,
just like.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
We're right into camp, day two of training camp here
at Let's Stadium. It's Paul Pirilla, myself, Dus and Evan
will be pere shortly as soon as availability is over.
Practice just ended a few moments ago.

Speaker 4 (00:44):
Yeah, another beautiful day out two for two with the weather.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Little windy, little windy, but a beautiful day out there.
Uh So let's let's get right into it, Paul, because
we've got two days to kind of wrap up here
on this show. You know, I say that its attendance
is good. Good to see that. I'd say in terms
of the offense people, that's the first thing I'm sure
on people's minds, little you know, off and on Little Rocky.

Speaker 4 (01:11):
Yeah, I would say the you know, when the passes
are getting thrown in general, they're getting completed, which is good.
It doesn't look like there's a lot of confusion in
terms of you know, route running and alignment and things
like that, so I would say those are things on
the positive side. There have been times I think that
some of these plays probably would have been blown up
with pressure, but I don't worry about that stuff yet.

(01:36):
I'm not gonna tell you I'm not worried about it.
I'm just saying yet, because of the obvious. You know
that your shorts and helmets on Wednesday today, I think
they had shells on. But it's very hard to gauge
how much the pass rush as a result of not
being able to really have contact. So I would say
that Harold Landry calevon Chase on on Wednesday in particular,

(02:00):
those guys were constant presents in the backfield on a
lot of plays. I think they disrupted things, but overall,
I think a good start, good, not great, good start
for the offer.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
I think today what they were working on was the
short passing. Yeah, a lot of quick stuff when there
was pressure. I think they were sending pressure to test
out that short passing game. Getting rid of the ball.

Speaker 4 (02:21):
I would agree with you that that was the goal.
I would think I would say it was a little choppy, Yes,
you know some of them that I looked like exactly
the way Fred just described it. They wanted the ball
out immediately, and Drake wasn't able to get it out
immediately because either there was someone in his face or
the guy wasn't open yep, So he was like sort
of double clutching a little bit.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
But like like you said, I think pretty much everything
he threw except for one.

Speaker 4 (02:44):
Yeah, I mean I could count on one hand the
amount of incompletions in the last two days.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
Yeah, but that doesn't mean that in a real game
they would be because, like you said, sometimes the guy's
there and the balls thrown anyway.

Speaker 4 (02:55):
And a lot of the completions today, especially like Fred said,
were really sure. Yeah, a lot of.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
Short But I think if you're wondering how Kyle Williams
is doing, I think he showed up yesterday, had a
couple of good catches. I think a couple of them
were against Gonzo, right.

Speaker 4 (03:09):
Yeah, he had one one in particular. I think he
ran Gonzo off, you know, a little bit of a
comeback out, you know, depending on how you want to
classify a comeback route on the sideline, and it looked
like he did a good job of separating from Gonzo
went up, made a nice, nice strong hands catch on
the sideline. Today, not as good, had a couple of drops.

(03:30):
He had one drop in in team and then mishandled
a punt trying to do some punt return stuff. But yeah,
I would say that Kyle Williams definitely was was a
presence on the first ad.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
Pop had a nice sideline, had a good day to day. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
So that was good to see.

Speaker 4 (03:47):
It seems like Drake is really trying to The idea
is to try to get the ball in as many
different receivers hands as possible.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
Offensive line. I know that got a lot of the
headlines yesterday because of the pressure that was Happy Morgan
Moses might have had a little bit of a rough
day yesterday. I wouldn't make too much of a big
thing about it, But something I noticed today with Campbell I'm.

Speaker 4 (04:13):
Interested in this.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
Yeah, where he was lining up, I think he'd be
flagged during the game. I think he was too much
off the line, and I think that caused him problems
because in his drop step because he was starting so
far back by the time he set, he was right
next to Drake May.

Speaker 4 (04:33):
I'm eye on that.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
I think you need to get your point of contact
a little sooner than that. And I think it started
with where he was lined up, and then, like I said,
his drop step where he would eventually set and have
his point of contact. His back was almost touching Drake May.
You don't want that, you want a little bit of it.

Speaker 4 (04:53):
I definitely thought there was some issue with Morgan Moses
at times with that Kansas is it Juwan Taylor? I
forget the guy's name though. Yeah, he was tackle for
Kansas City, the right tackle that always beats the snap.
I thought Morgan Moses was doing a lot of that
today and I wonder if that was, you know, a
result of getting beat by Harold Landry a lot yesterday.

(05:15):
But those are things when the pads come on we
can really focus on. But the alignment thing is interesting
because that doesn't matter about it.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
He was a little bit further back than I think,
But what do I know. I'm looking at it from
the ramp, but I did have my binoculars. What what
I do like about Campbell is his feet. He's really
you know, he's six five, and I yeah, short arms.
Forget about that. He's a big guy, and he moves
a lot smaller than his size. He's a lot quicker.

(05:45):
He's a lot quicker than his size.

Speaker 4 (05:47):
He has good feet, no doubt, but it's going to
be a learning curve. I think they've I think those
both of those guys struggled a little bit with the
edge guys. Chase on was was pretty good yesterday. Okay,
all right, So that's the way I choose to, you know,
you know me positive Paul start of camp fresh. Yeah,
I look at the defensive The defensive line was supposed
to be much improved, and we've kind of seen those

(06:09):
guys be active in the past.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
Rush yep, So you can look at it either way.
Like you said, yesterday, there was a big dog adoption
thing going on. Players brought up puppies and the team
teamed up with three animal shelter you know, big name,
I think the Rescue League and I forget the name

(06:32):
of the other two, but they had forty dogs here.
Every one of them got adopted and it was pretty cool.
The owner was here with his wife, Dana, and that's
going to be sort of an initiative going forward with
the team. Is finding these dogs homes. So that was
really cool.

Speaker 4 (06:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I guess everybody thought it was very
well received. I know a lot of people get there,
what doesn't love dog except for you? Yeah, I mean,
I know, we've got to take the obligatory shot, but
that's okay. It was a good day for the organization.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yep, really nice. Stefon Diggs was kind of the star there.
The dog he was bringing up, he decided to let
it down and the dog ran away from.

Speaker 4 (07:08):
Him, and we panicked because he's like on the other
side of the fence, and it's kind of like a
uneven you know, terrain, right, like, oh, he's gonna twisting
an ankle or something worse.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
But if you're wondering how he's looking, he's looking good.

Speaker 4 (07:21):
I think he's running really really well. I don't think
you'd really know that he was coming off of torn
a cl Now we'll see what happens when he starts
getting hit and all that stuff, But right now, I
would say that's probably the most positive development of Camp
is his presence and not just that he's out there.
About how he looks.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
Yep, I'm like I said on our last show, I'm
pleasantly surprised that he's out there full tilted. I'm surprised
at how good he looks. So that's all. That's good news.
That's really good news. Something to monitor that happened today,
Christian Barmore off to the side a little bit, working
with a trainer. I don't know what that was all about.

(07:59):
I mean, he passed his conditioning run, so.

Speaker 4 (08:02):
He was in. So you know, that's good that you
brought that up, because I do think that's an element
of today's practice. That's a takeaway. He opens the first
team period at his normal spot.

Speaker 5 (08:12):
It was.

Speaker 4 (08:14):
Him and Milton Williams sandwiched around Tongaga, and those three
took part in the first team period, you know, probably
six six or so plays. Then Barmore came out and
as practice progressed, he was on the left field. Now

(08:36):
all this work took place on the right side, he
was on the left field with one of the Yeah,
I like, I want to call him Joe Kim, but
I know Joe Kim's not here anymore. But someone like
that had like those arm pads, you know, working on
hand placement. So I don't know if he was rehabbing
any kind of an injury or if it was or
if he just you know, was dealing with something. So

(08:58):
they were making it slow form. But I think we
got guests, so we'll stop yapping and make way.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
It's Big Mike, Way for Big Mike and one.

Speaker 5 (09:06):
You sit right.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
Here wherever you want to sit. You you tell me
where you want to say. I'm not telling you you've
never been in here.

Speaker 6 (09:15):
Right.

Speaker 4 (09:16):
Welcome to Fred says, Please feel free to visit us
anytime you'd like. Yeah, the door is always.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
Want to do your own podcast, we'll do that for you. Yeah.
So I'm Fred Kurchis, Paul Pirillo, Mike and one you.
Thanks for joining us right off the practice field. How's
it going?

Speaker 7 (09:33):
Is going good? I feel good? This is day three. Yeah,
I'm really just excited to keep going on.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
Day three for you, day two for the public.

Speaker 4 (09:41):
For the scar.

Speaker 5 (09:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
Yeah, so so things are going good. Question I have
for you because I don't know if you've been watching
the Forge in Foxborough documentary that we've been putting out.
You know, Doug Marone was talking about two other coaches
that he works with, Koo's and hass and he said
it's three voices, but we're all on the same page. Yes,

(10:05):
how does that work for you to do? Just like
one of them focus more on the interior, Like, how
is it working with those three coaches?

Speaker 6 (10:12):
It's been great.

Speaker 7 (10:13):
Really, they're all really knowledgeable, or all three of them.
They kind of split it up day to day or
you know, sometimes host takes the interior, sometimes kooks take
the tackles. Sometimes coach Marown takes the interior. So I
mean it's just kind of day to day. But we're
all preaching the same things and coaching the same things.
But it's good to get the insight. Also, it's three
odds looking at your technique, looking at yourself and just

(10:35):
you know, you get that insight of what you're doing
with it's right or wrong, and you know, going to
the practice field and making sure you get those on
the field, make sure you getting those reps.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Okay, Like you.

Speaker 4 (10:44):
Get some new guys you know on either side of you,
you know, with with Garrett Bradbury and Morgan Moses. Just
how's that progression come? And you know, the comfort level
for you guys.

Speaker 7 (10:54):
I'm very me personally, I'm very comfortable. I think we've
all played a lot of football, So I mean as
of you know, coming into the spring and coming into
the season, we've been communicating, really just getting on the
same page and making sure we understand each other. And
so far we've been feeling great. I've been feeling good
about where I am and where they are.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
So that's a lot of experience between the three.

Speaker 6 (11:14):
For sure, you know it is.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
Yeah, So is that a comfort thing, like you're quicker
to be in the same page.

Speaker 7 (11:20):
Yeah, I would say, so. You know, we all see
the same things through the same set of eyes. So
it's it's not like you got a second guess. You know,
you know, I know where where Garrett is going to be.
I know where Mo is gonna be. If we've got
a blitch off the edge, I know he's going to extend.
So it's like, you know, I can put myself in
a position.

Speaker 4 (11:35):
Okay, what was the off season like four years? Do
you do anything different this year? You've been around a
little bit. Now we're going to call you a veteran
now because you around.

Speaker 7 (11:45):
The summer was the same. It really just worked out,
kept busy. I was here in the spring and summer,
so you know, I felt good. I really was just
excited about coming back and having everybody back together. You know,
those spring practices were good. You know, it was mostly passed.
So I mean it feels good to run the ball
now and get out and run.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
Yeah. So do you, as an offensive lineman look forward
to the first day in pads as much as you do?

Speaker 6 (12:08):
Yeah? Exactly, exactly.

Speaker 4 (12:09):
Camp starts Monday for you guys, right, yeah. Yeah. We
keep talking about, well, it looks like Harold Landry and
calevon Chasen they're coming off the edges. But we always say,
it's just so unfair for you guys to try to
like really physically pass block when you're not wearing pads. Yeah,
what I mean, just how how difficult of a challenge
is that for you don't have to work on techniques.

Speaker 7 (12:30):
I'm not going to say its difficult, but I mean
we've been going to get against each other from the spring.
We know that those guys have speed. Also, it doesn't
help that they know our cadences, know our snapcounts when
we run, you know, we say our snapcounts.

Speaker 6 (12:41):
So it's it's not that hard the timing.

Speaker 7 (12:43):
But obviously that makes us better and gets us better
for our opponents that are doing the same thing. So
you know, they're using as a as an advantage, and
we we're using as an advantage as well, getting off
the ball and make sure we're getting off the snap
on time.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
That's awesome. So what's what's once the practice is over
for how's that been for you? The meetings? You know,
this is the first year with Mike Vrabel and his staff.
Do you see any difference or is that just routine?

Speaker 6 (13:09):
I think it's been routine. One big difference.

Speaker 7 (13:11):
I think we've been practicing earlier this year, so I
think a lot of guys are liking that. You know,
you kind of come in, get your mind right, get
really practiced, and then the rest of the evening is
to watching the film, installs and stuff. So it allows
us to have a little bit a little bit of
time and not practicing during the hottest part of the day.
But you know, we get our work in and then
we get to improve and get the corrections.

Speaker 4 (13:33):
Okay, some of the rookies you got obviously will on
the left side, but you get some other new guys
in there. Jared Wilson has been I see coming in
and out of the lineup. And what are your impressions
been for some of the new guys.

Speaker 7 (13:46):
Yeah, really, I'm impressed by all of them. I think
they're all they all have talent, they all can play.
I really like them really from top to bottom, you know,
all of the rookies, and especially in my room as well,
but you know, Jack Kui, Uh, Marcus, like really everybody
can play and they all they all have talent. So
you know, I really just can't wait to put the

(14:06):
pazzle on for them to just let it roll.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (14:08):
I guess we have to kind of ask you, you know,
just your impressions of Drake, you know, by comparison, you know,
as a rookie, came in sort of you know, taking
a back seat to Jacobi last year. What have you
seen different about his approach as the starter?

Speaker 7 (14:22):
Yeah, you know, Drake has always been the same guy,
I think really, you know, he leads by example. He's
vocal as well, but you know, really just from the huddle,
from the snap at the at the line of scrimmage,
and really just in the workouts, you know, always positive energy.
You know, you don't want to get things wrong because
you don't want to disappoint Drake. So I mean, like,
you know, I think that's that's that's for everybody you

(14:43):
know me as a line included or alignement included. You know,
you want to do your best and obviously do the
right things on the line.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
So when you're out there, it's my final question because
I know you you got you gotta get going. Do
you ever glance over to that building that they're building
over there, Yeah, that's what we're gonna.

Speaker 7 (14:57):
Be next year. Yeah, we had walked through yesterday. It
was a it was a little weird just looking to
the left and I'm just like, man, it's a it's
a whole big building right usually or last year, uh,
you know, it's just trees in the background.

Speaker 6 (15:08):
But it's cool.

Speaker 7 (15:09):
You know, we'll be able to come out and come
on our grass field and just be able to do
walk through or really just get some grounding.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
I've seen some of the mock ups. It's going to
be pretty cool.

Speaker 6 (15:17):
And yeah, I can't wait. I can't wait.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
All right, Mike, We'll let you get back to it
stopping by anytime. This is where we are.

Speaker 6 (15:24):
I'll be here, all right, Thank you, Thanks Mike, sir.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
All right, Mike, and when you coming off the practice
field and joining us here in Patriotson.

Speaker 4 (15:32):
Filter that's all right, Mike, Mike shows that scene. It
doesn't matter. He doesn't count, all right now. You know,
it's just interesting, you know. I kind of as we
were talking to him, I was thinking like, how young
the left side could be, yep, But at the flip side,
how experienced the other side? You know? And I think

(15:53):
if you're Garrett Bradbury or Jared Wilson, how much that
changes the dynamic, you know, because she got obviously Moses
thirty four years old. Yeah, Mike's been around now, which
is sixty year for Mike twenty twenty yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
Yeah, so it's fifth year. Yeah, well twenty sixty three, yeah.

Speaker 5 (16:09):
Six years.

Speaker 4 (16:10):
So you know, there's a lot of experience from the
middle to the right, but not as much, even if
it's cold, strange, not as much to the left.

Speaker 8 (16:19):
You traded Mike's Hey, Mike, get a little Mike, get
a little sweaty or just switched chairs.

Speaker 5 (16:23):
No, it's fine. I like it, you know, I like it.

Speaker 4 (16:25):
So I feel like I got you know, I got
involved in procut some of his DNA, not creepy one
of that dog of me yet uh, you know, it's
hung around listening to some of the interviews and Morgan
Moses was interesting to asked him about the rotation going on.

Speaker 5 (16:38):
He said, I'm not really paying attention to it.

Speaker 8 (16:40):
Obviously they have some you know, younger guys they want
to get some reps too, But I don't know what
it's about. But he said, I did say it's the
new offense for me, so I'm learning a little bit.
One other line I thought was good.

Speaker 5 (16:48):
He's like, man, these guys they got no pads on,
we had nothing to grab onto.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
You know, we can't stop them.

Speaker 5 (16:53):
So, uh yeah, a couple little nuggets there from Morgan Moses.

Speaker 4 (16:55):
Yeah, Mike was similar on that. We were talking about
it a little bit, just saying it's not even just
that we can't hit them, it's they're they're familiar with
what we're doing, our alimate cadence, you know, so they're
getting a jump now.

Speaker 5 (17:07):
Good stuff, you know.

Speaker 8 (17:09):
Kendrick Bourne talking a little bit about Josh McDaniels the
return of the offense. Of course, everybody wants to know
what's different, you know what What has changed in Kendrick's
point of view on it was that he's got some
different coaches and philosophies around him now.

Speaker 5 (17:21):
So that's what's altering the scheme a little bit.

Speaker 8 (17:24):
It's still the fundamental basis of it is Josh McDaniels
and the language that he speaks offensively. But I think
we'll have to wait and see what the influent influence
is of you guys from the rams and you know,
guys from all the different trees.

Speaker 5 (17:36):
So yeah, good stuff, good stuff.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
That I mean. I I was interested because in the
in the documentary, Maron mentions he's got the other two assistants.
He's got Hoss and he's got Cogs, and you know,
they all could be the headline coach on their own.
So you've got these three voices, but they're speaking is
one and might confirm that he's said, you know, it's

(18:00):
really good. Sometimes you're working with one, sometimes you're working
with the other and getting technique tips and whatever. But
it's all the same message.

Speaker 5 (18:08):
Yeah, you know, I like that has guy. Like I
like listening to him.

Speaker 8 (18:11):
He seems like an I said, offensive line coach through
and through just that, like yeah, Jason Howdling has of
course they got the nicknames and everything, but that hope
it all comes together.

Speaker 5 (18:21):
This is what we've been talking about.

Speaker 8 (18:22):
Diggs, I think has shown up positively the first couple
of days, and I think Drake has shown up positively.

Speaker 5 (18:27):
Seems like he's grasping things.

Speaker 8 (18:28):
It is in stops and starts and all that kind
of stuff, and now we wait to see.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
Yeah, would you agree today it was a lot of
underneath under pressure type of passing.

Speaker 5 (18:37):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 8 (18:38):
And uh, you know, as Evan actually asked Moses about it,
seemed like you guys were sending a lot of They
were sending a lot of pressure at you.

Speaker 5 (18:45):
Today they're sending some blitzes today too.

Speaker 8 (18:47):
So I think that's part of Josh's offense, is getting
the ball out quick, the little swing passes.

Speaker 4 (18:51):
You know, we saw James.

Speaker 5 (18:52):
White and plenty other players feast off of that kind
of stuff.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
Listen, if I'm an opposing team defensive coordinator, I'm testing
out the second year quarterback, I'm gonna send pressure at him. Yeah,
I mean more than more than it maybe I would usually.

Speaker 4 (19:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (19:06):
I think I got Paul in my head now though,
where it's like, Okay, it's good. We're completing a lot
of passes, you know, around getting the ball out quick.
Let's find some big plays. Now, it's start to hunt
that stuff. As the weak progressive.

Speaker 4 (19:15):
Yeah, and I would I would agree with Fred that
today it clearly looked like the goal was to get
the ball out quick and go for the underneath stuff
against pressure, you know, and I think that's what they
were supposed to do. I just felt like there was
a lot of double double pumping on some of that stuff,
Like guys weren't uncovering quickly enough. Sure, you know, more
so than the pressure. I thought it was the coverage. Yeah,

(19:35):
I one hundred percent agree with that a couple of times.

Speaker 8 (19:38):
I mean, one of the I guess it was one
of the first plays there in the third series where
Drake had to tuck and run up the middle. It
didn't seem like anybody was open, but it seemed like
a pretty good day for Pop Douglas.

Speaker 5 (19:47):
Who that's it, that's where he should be kept.

Speaker 4 (19:49):
I thought he was. I thought he was good today.
I thought he was getting open quickly, and you know,
I made sure if you catch on the sideline. But
I thought the bread and butter stuff is the quick hitters.
You know, he's gonna uncovered quickly. And yeah, like the past,
you know, the passes for the most part for two
days being complete Yeah, so that's what you want to say.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
Evan. Lazar joins us as well, Hello, Evan, has we turned.

Speaker 9 (20:22):
So?

Speaker 2 (20:22):
Evan, I want to ask you, and you know you
can go free form after this question. But I was
talking with Paul before Mike got here, and I was
had my eyes on on Campbell for a little bit,
And would you say that he was lining up a
little bit too far back? What might he have been
flagged for that in a real game? And I'm wondering

(20:44):
because of that, when he was doing his drop and
when he got to his set, I thought he was
just too close to Drake. What did you think?

Speaker 10 (20:52):
I thought that there are some times where that might
have been the case. I don't know about where he
if he was going to be flagged for where he
was lining up. It's kind of hard to tell about
saying right down the line, but I think right now,
when for any young player, pretty much all of them
probably you know, he's trying to figure out like where
his set points are going to be at this level.

(21:13):
You know where we worked in college worked in college,
but this is a different game, and it was something
that in college, you know, he would often get opened
up a little bit too quickly, and that would allow
guys to swim inside of him, you know, across his
face and get inside. So I bet you there's some
tinkering going on with his stance, with his feet, you know,

(21:34):
with his set points of where exactly he's going to
hit his landmark. So it'd be interesting to see how
they kind of progress here. But we were just talking
to Morgan Moses after practice and I asked him, like,
what what do you tell the young guys about these
non padded practices, and he said, don't get discouraged because
we got nothing to hold on to, Like we go,

(21:55):
there's there's no pads.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
We had in here, and he said the same thing. Yeah,
you know, they're.

Speaker 10 (21:59):
They're in these practice jerseys and they're slippery and they're
they're hard to get your hands on them like that,
So don't don't get discouraged that you might be missing
some blocks that you think you should be making, because
once the pads go on, it's a different game.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
Yeah. Yeah, Yeah, we did have Mike here and we
were talking about the three coaches that are involved with
the offensive line and he agreed with what Doug maroone
said and Forge and Foxborough that you know, it's great
having all three. They all speak the same and it's
the same message, even though you might be working with
a different one one day than another. Uh, he's really

(22:36):
liking it. He finds it really helpful.

Speaker 10 (22:38):
Yeah, I mean, look, it's to me, it's it's the
tipping point of the team is if.

Speaker 11 (22:43):
They can block.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
I know it all starts there if they.

Speaker 10 (22:46):
Because I think the rest of the pieces that they
have will be good enough, and especially with Josh Pack like,
I think he'll be able to get guys open and
he'll be able to game plan and and do all
that stuff to move the football. Can they block and
they hold up up front? And you know, they seem
to be really trying to find a home for Jared
Wilson as well. I think they just look at his
talent and are like, we this is a talent upgrade

(23:07):
if we can find a spot for him, whether it's
at center or it's a left guard. So there's still
some tinkering there with the lineups and as it is
right now, it's it's hard to kind of say how
the results are and non padded practices, but that's that's it.

Speaker 11 (23:20):
That's the X factory.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
I saw Wilson and he came in one play and
had a bad snap.

Speaker 4 (23:25):
Yeah, it's too bad for him, And yeah, we're unsure
on that. I'm almost positive it was Bradbury.

Speaker 5 (23:32):
It was a debate in the I think Wilson.

Speaker 4 (23:34):
I think Wilson was that left guard.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
I'm that sorry, Jared Wilson if I got you wrong.

Speaker 4 (23:38):
But I'm not positive. There was a couple other people,
and then I was Mike and I were really watching
the rotations from that point on for the other the
ensuing team periods, and it would be Bradbury at center,
and then Wilson would come in at left guard for
a play for Strange, and then the next play Bradbury
would leave, Wilson would go to center, Strange would return,

(23:58):
and I could swear the play that there was a
fumbled snap on after the play, Bradbury was among the
linemen that was running off.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
Yeah, okay, to tell all right.

Speaker 4 (24:06):
So I can't tell you definitively with a thousand percent certainty,
but I think it was Bradberry. Yeah, okay, but every
but there was a couple other people that thought, would
you guys, Yeah.

Speaker 10 (24:16):
I thought it was Wilson too, But maybe you could
be right. Maybe he was at left guard and it
just happened fast.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
Right and you see him come from that direction, right, Yeah.

Speaker 10 (24:24):
But either way there was an a boarded snap. Whoever
it was on, it doesn't really matter. There was an
a board snap. But yeah, I mean, I know that
it gets boring talking about the offensive line sometimes, but
for this team like that, that's it more.

Speaker 5 (24:38):
Boring than anything else. Well, I was just thinking about it,
win you.

Speaker 8 (24:42):
I mean, he's had a different offensive line coach every
single year of his career.

Speaker 5 (24:45):
It's changed every single year. It's it's got to add up.
It's not easy to do.

Speaker 4 (24:49):
Up to seven years and you.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
May not even have had a coach.

Speaker 10 (24:51):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know I've been David Andrews and
James Farris.

Speaker 5 (24:55):
Right right crazy.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
We talked a little bit about the wide receivers. Williams
had a good day yesterday, a little less so today.
Pop Douglas had a nice catch today. After I asked
you how' zeft and Chisholm doing, you said, really, he
hasn't done much yet. He came in and had a
nice pass down the field there where he found a
soft spot and had a catch. Yep, Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 8 (25:21):
No, another you know, good day, they're completing passes, thought
Travian Henderson.

Speaker 5 (25:25):
You saw a little glimpse of the potential he might have.

Speaker 8 (25:27):
Just coming out of the backfield on the swing passes
and that kind of thing. Rawandro Stevenson right back in
the mix as you would think he would be. But
I mean, I think it's it's you know, fair to
point out. I went on the radio this morning to
talk about the rotation, and everyone said, oh, Moses was
pulled for performance. Well, now that's not true.

Speaker 4 (25:46):
In fairness, one person said that the person who was
interviewing was the only person that I didn't read anybody
say that. I didn't read, I didn't hear anybody say
that except for the question that you got hit right
out of the choot with this morning anything on one
of my shows.

Speaker 8 (25:59):
I think we're all excited for the you know, stability
that Morgan Moses could potentially represent. But it's also real
positive if if this team sees some potential in trade
Jacobs and you know, I mean that's Morgan Moses isn't
gonna be the long term solution, even if he has
a great year this year. So the fact that they're
keeping that door open and continuing to get to Montree
Jacob's reps. I mean, I know he had a bad

(26:20):
year last year amongst everybody having a bad year.

Speaker 5 (26:23):
But if they were to somehow get.

Speaker 4 (26:25):
Him on track and solve that problem that right tackle
for the long term with trade Jacobs, then that's bigger
positive to me.

Speaker 7 (26:31):
Then.

Speaker 8 (26:31):
You know, if Morgan Moses has one good year, that's
about that's some Patriots Dot Com positive, right, Sure?

Speaker 2 (26:37):
I was. You know, like I said, if Moses actually
gets beat out by Jacobs, Moses isn't a bad backup.

Speaker 4 (26:45):
I you know, tremendous optimism here. But I mean, but seriously,
if you're a thirty four year old veteran, isn't as
good as what they had last year, we're spinning that
as a positive.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
Well, I'm just saying, if this guy beats some out,
legitimately beats him out.

Speaker 4 (27:01):
Yes he's yes, you think that's good. Oh yeah, but
but you saw the guy play like Jared Wilson. If
he beats out Bradbury, that's good. He's an incoming rookie.
We've never seen him play. If he's better than a veteran, okay,
that's good. But I've seen Trey Jacobs.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
He can't have improved, you know, like, if he's.

Speaker 4 (27:20):
Better than Morgan Moses, that's not good. I actually look
at it as I'm a little disappointed we're not seeing
kayont those opportunities to be the swing tackle.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
You think Morgan Moses is good? Yes, yes, So if
he beats him out, isn't that a good thing?

Speaker 4 (27:34):
That means he's not mean the wrong way? Right, it
means he hit the he hit the wall.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
I guess you could look at it that way.

Speaker 8 (27:41):
Now, I'm not guys think I'm first team reps though,
looking like, oh my god.

Speaker 5 (27:46):
It's a disaster.

Speaker 10 (27:46):
Like they're saying that because I think Morgan is on
the pitch camera right now.

Speaker 4 (27:51):
You keep but you keep saying that, like you guys
are saying that. I'm not saying anything about Morgan Moses'
performance the body language of having like, oh my god, Jacobs,
that would be absolutely but I'm with him. So I
think that based on what you saw, like if Vederian
Lowe and Trade Jacobs have to play, that's not good,

(28:13):
that's not good.

Speaker 5 (28:14):
But does the book necessarily completely written on Trade Jacobs?

Speaker 4 (28:17):
I would say that. I mean, am I going to
say that he can't improve at all. No, of course not.
He could improve some, but that's not good enough. I
don't think you make that kind of a meteoric rise
from what we saw last year too. He's a serviceable
right tackle of the future that to me would be
an astronomical turnaround.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
I hate judging these guys from last year because they
were all like, it was just all bad.

Speaker 4 (28:44):
Why can't an individual play well?

Speaker 10 (28:46):
He was also cut by another team and picked up
by the Patriots in season.

Speaker 11 (28:50):
All right, So I'm not trying to pick on him.

Speaker 4 (28:52):
I'm just like, I want to caution against that too.

Speaker 10 (28:55):
Yeah, Like, I'm not trying to pick on Trey Jacobs individually,
but to Paul's point, as a whole, you hope that
the guys you brought in this year are better.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
Than the guys And I certainly hear you about the center.
If Wilson could come in and earn that spot, that's
a good thing.

Speaker 4 (29:11):
And that's another part of it is Morgan Moses is
a by all accounts a solid right tackle in the NFL.
Bradbury last year was considered one of the worst centers
in the NFL. Okay, So if Jared talk about that.
So if Jared Wilson comes in as a rookie who's
never played yet and is better than that, I'm okay

(29:33):
with that. I think that's a positive development.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
Correct me if I'm wrong about Bradbury. Last year there
was one category of the stats against in passing situations
where he graded like one of the worst.

Speaker 4 (29:45):
I mean he was something like sixty four centers something
like that in that category. No, no, No, overall is great.

Speaker 10 (29:51):
Well, obviously the passing blocking grades more emphasis right run blocking.
He's an athletic center, but he's undersized. He's undersized and
a play strength and size in general.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
How well has he been in the league six seven
years and he's been a starter for most of those.

Speaker 11 (30:07):
Yeah, and he's an early draft thing.

Speaker 4 (30:08):
He's a very and he could be done maybe. Okay,
there's a reason why they wanted to move on from him,
and they targeted a center to replace him. Yeah.

Speaker 11 (30:17):
Yeah, I mean he just can He can be targeted.

Speaker 10 (30:19):
You know, if you have a really good interior pass rusher,
then a lot of teams will target him, you know,
by putting them straight up over the center.

Speaker 11 (30:27):
But I feel bad about making fun of trade Jacob.

Speaker 4 (30:29):
Yeah, I'm not trying. I want to caution against that too.
I'm not like there's always outliers and things. He can
start off at a spot and then improve to the
point where Mike could be right and say like, well
that's a really positive elopment, Like you didn't expect this
kind of improvement now all of a sudden, he's he's
like tom Ashworth or you know some guy who really

(30:51):
started at at a low level and really got good
to the point where he was more than adequate. As
that could happen. So I agree with that, but I
don't want I don't want to big, but based on
what I saw last year, I don't want Vederian Low
and Trade Jacobs having to start at tackling like those.

Speaker 10 (31:04):
Those two just whatever metric you want to use, they
graded out as to the worst starting tackles in football
last year. And you bring in Will Campbell, I'd say
the same thing about Will Campbell against Vederian Low, like
Will Campbell definitely should beat out Vaderian Low, like that
shouldn't even be a question, right, And I'd say the
same thing with Moses and Trey Jacobs.

Speaker 11 (31:23):
But I'm not like worried about Moses at all.

Speaker 10 (31:25):
I think, you know, he's on a pitch count maybe
a little bit here early as a veteran that had
a knee injury last year, and they're sort of easing
him back into things, and he's maybe a little bit
rusty as a result because he hasn't had the reps yet.

Speaker 4 (31:38):
Yeah, and I will state that emphatically, Mike, because I
know that you did get hit with something today and
I'm just saying Mike was on the Sports on the story. No,
he did Mike Sports this morning. The first thing out
of the shoot was like, to short Morgan, Moses is
being replaced for performance and so I don't that. I

(31:59):
think that's redict I heard it too, Okay, So I
don't think that's what happens. I agree with Evan. I
agree with Mike. I think there does clearly have some
things that they want to do and they're rotating.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
God where did they get that from?

Speaker 5 (32:11):
Somebody must struggled.

Speaker 11 (32:14):
Yesterday didn't have a good practice and he.

Speaker 4 (32:15):
Didn't practice well. Harold Langy was running around him yesterday,
but today there was nobody really running around him, and
yet he's still rotated out. Yeah, so I don't think
it was a performance thing. I think that's a big
leap to say that he was yanked for performance.

Speaker 10 (32:31):
I think one of the things that listening to Moses
today and then actually Stefan Diggs yesterday, that stands.

Speaker 11 (32:37):
Out to me.

Speaker 10 (32:37):
But with two guys that are proven veterans in this
league that don't have to build confidence and don't have
to like come out of the game like they the
way that they've talked about like the marathon that this
is and not the sprint, And like Stefan Diggs yesterday
was like it's day one, like like two cares like
we went out there and we put the work in.

Speaker 11 (32:58):
You know, you guys are gonna do it.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
You do.

Speaker 10 (33:00):
But in terms of reporters, but like you know, he
said that that was his message to all the younger
guys in the wide receiver room is like this is
this is the first day. Like let's not like if
people were asking him questions like what's his chemistry like
with Drake May and he's like, it's day one, you know,
like ask me in a month. And I feel like
with these guys like Moses and Diggs, they just have

(33:21):
a comfort level in a confidence already in the league
that they don't need to come out, you know, like
a rookie or a second year player, and be like
I'm the man, right like they already know they're the man,
so just give it some time.

Speaker 8 (33:32):
I think part of this for me, I would relate
it to my to my Jalen Polk take, which didn't
doesn't taken a great turn the first two days. But
I guess I'm still reserving some optimism for guys who
weren't that great last year because of a new coaching
staff and a new system. And I haven't closed the
door on guys that had bad seasons last year. I'm
still going to allow them to miss the first two

(33:53):
two days of practice like not a great sign not
you know, I might have to walk that back. But
at the same time, I still think that's some of
these guys could blossom. And that's where I live with
my analysis. I'm not, you know, and I think that's
more than fair.

Speaker 4 (34:06):
Mike, and I would say, like I was in your
shoes yesterday during our live show and during practice about
Kyle Dugger, and I you know, I think everybody is
completely given up on Kyle Dugger. And that's okay, you know,
I remember just a couple of years ago where he
was making a lot of plays. I think with a
better coaching staff and a better scheme, maybe he goes

(34:29):
back to that. Maybe I'm wrong, Maybe you know, maybe
he's banged up a little bit, maybe he doesn't quite
have the mobility and athleticism that he had coming out,
and you know, maybe he's done.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
Hou I think next guy up in these early practices.
I know it's early, but it does mean something. You know,
who is the next guy to come in after you
know the supposed ones and the fact that you know
whoever it is, it's like, Okay, they're giving him some
reps early, which we've always seen through history.

Speaker 6 (34:59):
That's a sign.

Speaker 5 (35:00):
Yeah, So they start to get more as the thing
goes on.

Speaker 4 (35:02):
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (35:03):
I mean, I get what Evan's getting at that. It's
just he's the guy. He's the next guy up right.

Speaker 6 (35:08):
Now, would it?

Speaker 4 (35:09):
I mean, I guess Vedarian lowskn Is probably stay on
the left side anyway.

Speaker 8 (35:11):
But you know, we've seen some flipping. Even with Marcus Bryant.
He played a little left tackle, a little right tackle.
They're filling him out as well.

Speaker 4 (35:17):
I'll give you that one. You know, if Marcus Bryant
because he hasn't he Roou. I would feel that's that's
that's very nipp.

Speaker 10 (35:29):
We're on the same page in terms of like Kyle Duggart,
Jabrielle Peppers, Rmandra Stevenson, even Mike on Wentho, like those
guys that had quote unquote down years last year. I'm
willing to bet that they're closer to the players that
they have seen them, right, Yeah, you.

Speaker 11 (35:47):
Know, I think that's just all it is.

Speaker 10 (35:48):
But it's a it's interesting to with that is you know,
they brought a lot of those guys back and it
didn't work out last year.

Speaker 11 (35:58):
Paul was right, at least for one season. Let's see
what happens though.

Speaker 10 (36:03):
You know, if those guys all play to their contracts
this year, then we kind of have our answer about
what last year was all about.

Speaker 4 (36:10):
But overall, I would say I'm with Mike in terms
of the optimism with the coaching and the changes in
the schemes and just a better just have a comfort
level that I didn't have last year. I didn't have
the faith last year, and I do have some faith.
Now what that means. Does that mean they're gonna win
twelve games? Like some people are predicting. I don't think so,
but I do think that they will be better and

(36:31):
I think that they're going to without question be more
well coached.

Speaker 8 (36:35):
I just have to say, generally speaking, the way the
offense has just looked, and I know there have been
some issues, but it's encouraging to me. I've seen a
lot of bad offensive football and training camp over the
last few years, and for the first few days where
Drake's starting his comfort within the offense, I just I
think it's a really positive start for these guys seeming
pretty active. You know, you mentioned Kyle Williams had a

(36:55):
drop pass, had to drop punt catch as well. But
I think there's a lot of positive coming out of
these first couple of day, especially for Drake, for Josh
and look, that's what we talk about all the time.
They have to be able to put points on the
board two days in.

Speaker 5 (37:09):
What does it mean. We'll see. But as much as
you can ask for, it's not.

Speaker 8 (37:12):
You know, there are a couple of mistakes today and
you know we talked about the dropped the drop snap.

Speaker 5 (37:18):
But still I think that there's a lot of really good.

Speaker 10 (37:20):
Things happening on that I think the only nitpick that
I would have on the offense so far as it's
a lot of short stuff, sure, and it's a lot
of underneath. It's a lot of quick game, and that's
Josh McDaniels like, some of that's going to be the
system and it's going to be a lot of short,
intermediate throws. I saw Mike Grease, you know, tweeted out
something that I hadn't really thought of it as some spin
because you know, it's Mike Resea. He said that, you know,

(37:41):
maybe that's a way to turn down the turnovers for
Drake may right, like you're finding efficient completions, Yeah, then
you're not you know, necessarily putting the ball in Harm's way.
But I just thought that there were times where he
was looking downfield and he wanted to let it go
down the field today and there just wasn't really much
going on to get the ball to push it down
the field. He also had a couple of those checkdowns

(38:03):
at Paul Hates where he's like kind of like, you know, yeah.

Speaker 4 (38:06):
One of them got knocked down by Jeremiah Farms. Yeah,
and I know, we don't notice what I'm talking about
with that. Then he throws it at a different velocity.

Speaker 10 (38:15):
I don't mind it when he's like if he's running
and he's trying to pull the defense with him and
then he kind of just fils it. Yeah, that's different.
But when he does it, it's kind of just like
an afterthought. It's just like, no one's open downfield, I'm
just going to check it down. I actually think Rabel
might have might have coached him up on it after
the last two.

Speaker 4 (38:32):
So that was one thing he said yesterday that I
really got excited about was they asked him what some
of the things he's working on, and kind of what
Evan's talking about is one of the things he's working
on sort of remaining a passer as a on scrambles
when he gets out of the pocket. That's kind of,
to use Evans's term, his superpower. He has the ability
to make big plays by sort of you know, like

(38:53):
the phrase like quarterbacks sometimes throw a receiver open. Well,
he can scramble a receiver open. He did it a
few times, but you got to keep You remember the
one to Hunter Henry that you had like you just
kind of ran around. He dumped it to him for
like a thirty yard like nobody anywhere near.

Speaker 11 (39:09):
Unfortunately it was in a blow up, but the one in.

Speaker 10 (39:11):
Miami was, oh, yeah, that was He's the one I've
been right and waiting since May to see the pun
intended to see him do and unfortunately it just came
in a game where they were getting smoked.

Speaker 4 (39:21):
So that was one of the things he's like sort
of consciously, and I do think that's a raabel.

Speaker 11 (39:26):
And maybe that's where the big plays come from impact.

Speaker 10 (39:29):
Like, I don't know if they have the weapons on
the outside to make big plays organically within the offices,
so the big plays might have to come from Drake,
you know, him scrambling him uh, you know, in playground
mode and creating out of the pocket.

Speaker 4 (39:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (39:42):
The phrase that that kept popping in my mind was
something that they actually had enforced to just take the
profit drake, you know, And that was something that Josh
McDaniel said.

Speaker 5 (39:49):
And that's how it felt today.

Speaker 8 (39:50):
I don't know how much how managed it was, because
it felt intentional and not oh, just take what's there.

Speaker 5 (39:56):
It seemed kind of this is what they were working on.
But I think it's a good sign.

Speaker 8 (39:59):
You're seeing some the coaches are talking about and then
today efficient getting the ball out.

Speaker 4 (40:03):
I will say I would like to see and everything
offensively I think has been largely positive so far. You know,
a couple of days in shorts and whatnot. This is
what's supposed to happen. But it is a couple of
fall starts here and there. You know, we mentioned the
fumbled snap. I like to clean up some of that stuff.
Looks like this. Some they try to do. I thought
some some tempo today a little bit at times, you know,

(40:26):
you know, completing a play and quickly getting another playoff,
and they looked like there was some confusion as to
where guys were lining up. But overall, I would say
that what Mike said at the start of this segment
is accurate. We've seen some bad offense in training camp.
That's only two days. I haven't seen really bad offense
in training camp yet. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (40:46):
Bad football, not no bad you know, not the belief
that will get you beat.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
Right. How's the kicker looking?

Speaker 5 (40:53):
There was some question on a couple of the last
little today.

Speaker 4 (40:57):
Yeah, I think the wind affected both. I think they
both missed their last attempts, but it was kind of
hard to tell. We were far away. Could you tell that, No,
they didn't have anybody underneath. Plus you don't care. They
always like it's like you should have seen how it was.
I need to get somebody get this right now.

Speaker 11 (41:13):
Anybody get that it's pulling the whole.

Speaker 10 (41:17):
During the spring, they would like run to get underneath
the goalposts.

Speaker 4 (41:20):
I think they were both three for four today, but
their first kill the trajectory the launch already has.

Speaker 11 (41:30):
So I will today.

Speaker 4 (41:31):
I will say this because you know me, I have
to find something that I'm not not happy with. A couple.
I think they both attempted four field goals. Two of
Borer Galliss didn't look right. One of them he made
it was the but it was it was the seven
ball was rotating sideways things.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
That's not good knuckle knuckler.

Speaker 4 (41:52):
And it was two of them, two out of his flour.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
The operation.

Speaker 4 (41:55):
The operation is something to keep an eye on you.
You get a rookie long snapper, and you.

Speaker 11 (41:59):
Know that's like a sneaky thing to me that no
one cares about it.

Speaker 10 (42:03):
I just thought I was like really good at his
job for like almost a decade, and then they moved
on from him and drafted a rookie long snapper. And
it will happen once like you know that it will matter,
because it's not like it's going to be like a
whole train wreck.

Speaker 4 (42:17):
If you're right. They had they had a veteran long
snapper for years and years, and Lonnie Paxton who you
never had to worry about, and then when they moved
on from him, they drafted Jake Ingram and it was
an issue. He wasn't great, he didn't last.

Speaker 5 (42:28):
Cycling through guys like Tucker Addington was one of them.
I things was one of the names there.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
Yeah, Tyler writes in at podcasts at pages dot com.
He says, first of all, congratulations to Evan on his marriage.
I'm writing in to take an early victory lap on
an email I sent this spring. I wrote in asking
about thoughts on drafting or signing a UDFA full back
and specifically mentioned brock Lampy because he was from Miama

(42:53):
made northern Illinois. Evan scoffed at the idea of discussing
a fullback because he preferred getting another email asking if
Will Campbell's arms were long enough or if any wide
receiver one get fall back me?

Speaker 4 (43:06):
Can I step in before you finish reading that? Sure,
I'm going to guess that I scoffed. Hen Heavin thinks
that McDaniels' offense, in that offense, you need a full back,
and he's fully expecting a fullback to be on the roster.
I'm going to guess that I scoffed at that.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
All right, He says. It looks like Lampi is in
the driver's seat of getting the full back job, and
I'm looking forward to having a husky on the team finally. Well,
we'll see, but.

Speaker 5 (43:32):
I might pump the brakes a little bit.

Speaker 4 (43:36):
I want to see who. I want to see who
gets cut. I want to see who gets cut. I'm
not going to lose my mind over it now, but
I want to see who gave they cut a good
player to keep a fullback.

Speaker 10 (43:45):
I'm not going to be there was there was one
play today where they the formation. I'll just say I
was very excited. I was like, this, this is exact
and it's funny because power I right, it was. It
was empty, it was it was a passing formation, but

(44:05):
you know they kind of inverted the formation and uh,
and I knew, you know, I saw that it was Jane.
I want to say, I don't know if I should
and then like you know it just it was great.
It reminded me of of good times of you know,
like Brady, he would see it right like when you
would put the full back or the running backs out wide,
those are coverage indicators like do they follow them with

(44:27):
a linebacker or do they stick the corners outside still?
And when the corners stay outside, you usually know it's
zone because the corners wouldn't normally cover the full back.
So like when you do that, you can kind of
give an indicator H to the quarterback of what the
coverage is. And Drake May saw it right away, saw
that the corner stayed out there, knew it was zoned,
took the profit.

Speaker 4 (44:46):
I was like, yeah, Josh is back.

Speaker 11 (44:49):
That's it.

Speaker 5 (44:49):
A couple of couple of other dead lines for me.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (44:52):
I know, you guys might have talked about no Carlton
Davis today.

Speaker 8 (44:54):
After peak peak, we haven't talked about it yet back
and uh, you know, it seemed like bar More still
on a little bit of account himself, which, as we said.

Speaker 4 (45:02):
Across the Rocks, you did talk about boss.

Speaker 8 (45:04):
Teams like that. But a little disappointing that. I mean,
I know we're like, well, did he call h Davis?
Failed the conditioning test or what like. I don't know,
maybe there's something else going on, but it's just disappointing.

Speaker 4 (45:13):
I just went there just the quick clarification. He opened
on NFI and that's why I sort of wonder why
he opened on NFI.

Speaker 5 (45:21):
Because he wasn't NFI.

Speaker 4 (45:23):
It wasn't ied earlier in the spring, right right, and
then he could be sick. Yeah, Barmore could be as sick,
as simple as that.

Speaker 10 (45:30):
Yeah, Barmore was off on the on the side field
at one point. Was it looked like with the trainers, Yeah,
going like trying to test whatever was going on with him.
So Jeremiah Farm saw a lot more time today as
a result. But you know, that's definitely no worthy with Barmore.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
Yep, something to monitor. Alex and Raleigh, North Carolina saw
a video where Bertrand and Zoe When of Paul Shows
were watching practice on the first day, and Bertrand made
it seem like Kyle Williams needed a red jacket already,
Like I'm excited for the kid, but can we get
him on the field in a game before we start
giving out jackets. I appreciate your analysis. That is realistic,
honest and not overinflating the good and really digging into

(46:07):
the bad. Truly the best show covering Patriots.

Speaker 4 (46:10):
Well thanks for the compliments, but sarcasm is obviously lost
on people because I heard the clip with it's Beetle
and Zoe and it sounds more like Beatle to me,
they were over the top negative, first on the offensive
line on purpose, like oh my god, this is a disaster,
and then like hi will we got a receiver, like
they were like screaming me the one of them were

(46:33):
meant to be taken.

Speaker 10 (46:35):
Kind of like the he made two catches yesterday. Everybody
made a big deal about the one on Gonzo because
it's Christian Zales in the all pro corner that he's
making to play on. I actually liked the other one
better because the other one, to me, was showing that
juice and that explosiveness after the catch with the ball
in his hands that I'm hoping that he's going to
bring to the offense.

Speaker 4 (46:54):
I'm not really step with Evan Lazarre. I don't know
if I've ever done that.

Speaker 10 (46:58):
I'm not really like expecting him to go out there
in an NFL game and start boxing out corners like
that's just not he's a five to eighty five pounds
speed receiver, Like I just don't think that that's his game.
But he came across the shallow part of the field
on the little drag route and Robert Splaine was on
his horse and he was and Robert Splain could not
get him. He ran yeah, and I was like, all right,

(47:19):
that's that's the juice.

Speaker 11 (47:21):
You know, that's what you're hoping he's going to bring.

Speaker 8 (47:23):
I mean, I wonder is he going to start to
push kaisham BOUTI at that X spot and can he
bring that element Evan mentioned earlier in the show of
explosiveness and downfield threat that clearly dangerous with the ball
in his hands.

Speaker 5 (47:35):
But just also like just seeing how Diggs looks like Diggs.

Speaker 8 (47:38):
I mean, there's no, it doesn't at all. I mean
I think they were manage him a little bit.

Speaker 4 (47:41):
He had some reps where he came out, but even still,
I think he just looks ready to go.

Speaker 5 (47:47):
And it's fun. It's fun having a good receiver. Everyone
can make fun of me for that one for sure,
but I'm.

Speaker 11 (47:52):
Trying not to get too excited because he looks awesome.

Speaker 4 (47:56):
Yeah, but I mean it's early. I mean a couple
of catches today. Well it was what he had a
couple there in the first series.

Speaker 8 (48:03):
But still he's just that's what he is, that precision
route running and you know, up and smooth.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
Eight five five past five hundred is the hot line.
Let's go to Nate in Connecticut. What's up? Nate? Nate
three two one, Nate is gone? The call back if
you want Camp Christian in LA. What's going on?

Speaker 9 (48:29):
Yeah, you guys know what's going on. First of all, Paul,
thank you guys for having on show. How the heck
can I try?

Speaker 4 (48:41):
Left?

Speaker 2 (48:42):
I literally, your phone's breaking up?

Speaker 4 (48:47):
Unfortunately I was if you guys could understand, did.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
You understand what he's saying? Not the word man me? No,
your phone's breaking up? Call back? Sorry about that. Randy's
in Providence.

Speaker 4 (48:58):
When you're had a little more money, you can afford
a better plan. All right, how's it going good?

Speaker 2 (49:03):
You've got a good connection. Thank you, Randy?

Speaker 12 (49:06):
Okay, good, glad to be here.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
I don't think a lot about the concept of Drake
may kind of break.

Speaker 13 (49:14):
Out you or what his advancement might look like.

Speaker 12 (49:18):
And I think that it wouldn't be.

Speaker 9 (49:21):
Like a statistical production thing where you like, you know,
put a fourth out the yards or whatever like that.

Speaker 13 (49:27):
I think it's more of a.

Speaker 12 (49:31):
Learning to that too.

Speaker 4 (49:34):
Some issues.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
Yeah, you're breaking up too, I don't know. Are you
on a speakerphone?

Speaker 4 (49:38):
No, now you're at the bottom of a well.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
Yeah, it's you're kind of like a little bit underwater.

Speaker 11 (49:45):
I got it. Like you're saying that, it does.

Speaker 10 (49:48):
Like Drake May's breakout might not necessarily manifest itself in
statistics of fantasy football stuff, but it might be more of, like,
you know, the intangible things, consistency, cluge, leadership, Yeah, you know,
actually winning games.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
Nate's calling back, what's up? Nate?

Speaker 4 (50:06):
Yah?

Speaker 5 (50:07):
Perfect?

Speaker 9 (50:08):
All right?

Speaker 1 (50:08):
So if I disconnected earlier, if that was my fault,
I accidentally hung up. But my fustion for you guys
is what have you seen out of Milton Williams so far?
I guess a lot of people say he was only
good in Philly because of the monster D line that
they had, But I feel like that's not true. I

(50:31):
feel like he's a really good player. But what have
you seen out of parents during training camp? If he
has advertised or is he just another guy on the
D line?

Speaker 2 (50:41):
I mean, it's so hard to tell at this point, Nate.
You know, like especially with an interior guy, they're not
going full speed, they don't have pads on, so to understand,
like how what his strengths would be at this point,
it's hard to know. And then the knock on him.
It was yes, like said he was surrounded by such

(51:01):
a great line with all that depth. He wasn't out
there all the time.

Speaker 5 (51:05):
Yeah, you know I noticed him.

Speaker 4 (51:06):
We'll see part time player and surrounded by mental talent.
But yeah, I agree with Fred. I can't tell you
what his strengths are right now because we haven't seen
him really play.

Speaker 8 (51:17):
I mean, I'll tell you what I like most about
him so far is how Mike Rabel said. He's the
consummate professional and is here all the time, and he
seems like a serious football guy. Seems like he's not
a guy who got paid and now is just gonna coast.

Speaker 5 (51:29):
He seems every bit as intense as he was. You
know when he played for Philly. I noticed him more yesterday.

Speaker 8 (51:34):
I felt the ball was coming out a little quicker
today with short stuff, so it wasn't as much chance.

Speaker 11 (51:38):
I mean, it's sometimes just.

Speaker 8 (51:39):
Random of these practice like guys, catch your eye here
and there and something might catch you guys eye that
didn't catch my eye, which doesn't mean it's not true.

Speaker 5 (51:46):
But there's just you know, there's there's so much to
watch it once. That's what makes football fun.

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Speaker 6 (54:08):
What's going on really doing?

Speaker 2 (54:11):
Yeah? That was good.

Speaker 16 (54:13):
We all think some coming out here. You know, we're
kind of the stuff that we kind of major in
in the spring, stuff that we know, so stuff to
clean up. I think, you know, pre snap, you know,
communication cadence, trying to kind of use that to our vantage.
But I thought we made some place, makes some plays
down the field. Top of the guys at front fought.
It's hard to block without pads, but I thought they
did a good job. And I think just you know,
coming out and out of each every day and just

(54:33):
try to build on it.

Speaker 4 (54:34):
A long session in Charlotte. How did that come to be?
And yeah, Born was that for you to establish yourself
as I.

Speaker 16 (54:40):
Think it's something that you know, you missed those guys
for a month and you know you just want to
get back at a refresher form, whether it's route wise,
play wise. I think the most supportant thing is just
bonding together. I think getting the guys together, go out
to eat, having some fun, get some work in. And
I think it was glad that those guys you know,
came out and showed up.

Speaker 11 (54:55):
It was really reacted. Your first completion and stuff was that.

Speaker 16 (55:00):
Yeah, it's good to have them out there. I mean
it's a good player made a lot of players in
this league. You know, thanks the fans out here for
showing up. You know, I wish I could, you know,
sign everybody. I think that's what's what makes the league go.
These fans, you know, coming out here and coming out
here on whatever day it is Wednesday, we're in camp now,
who knows the days, but coming out here and you know,
supporting us and you know, being here for us in
the hot and the heat, and I think I still
makes it go.

Speaker 6 (55:20):
So it's fun to be out here and make a
place you.

Speaker 11 (55:21):
Can catch you by surprise, you throw this little pass
and all of a sudden they react.

Speaker 16 (55:26):
No, it's one of those things you figure, just like
the first catch in the game. I'm sure you know,
a home game and we get a big, big role.
I think that's what you want. You want guys that
you know, the fans like that they want and I think,
you know, there's a lot of rules for a lot
of different players around here.

Speaker 11 (55:38):
There's so much talk about you taking that jump in
leadership in here too. How much is that Mike in
your ear encouraging it versus just kind of letting you
naturally get to that.

Speaker 6 (55:46):
He's a little bit of both.

Speaker 16 (55:47):
I think he does a great job of kind of
giving me, you know, kind of points where I can
improve or points where hey, maybe do this. I think
he's also krying of let me go and kind of
see where I'm at. And I think it's kind of
a challenge for me to kind of leave this football
team and leave this offense.

Speaker 11 (56:00):
Your second training.

Speaker 4 (56:01):
Camp, how much more confident are you than you first?

Speaker 16 (56:03):
Yeah, it's a lot different kind of coming here, know
to expect. So I was telling the rookies earlier, you
know it's gonna be a kind of whirlwind. You're kind
of scrambling from period to period and next thing you know,
you you're up against the defense and some full speed plays.
So I think just take your time and enjoy it.
You'll take the time to watch the film, and I
think more than not just have fun. I mean, you
know the plays, just don't overthink it, and I think
just playing instinct. How close do you feel you are

(56:27):
to kind of mastering the system that you think? Yeah,
and it takes a while, I think to master something
at the level that some of you guys played that.
So I think I got a long way to go.
But I think I'm like where I'm at, got some
most stuff to improve on. I think it all comes,
you know, facing defenses. I think you can master it.
You know, hey, what are these guys gonna do on
the route? I think there's a different kind of level
when you're facing different hey versus coverage, whatere you're gonna do.

(56:47):
But I think there's a different level too of that.
I think that we're kind of you don't need to
tap into based stuff. I feel good. I mean I
think I think it's more of a judge of how
how I play today. So I think we can move
the ball well if through one kind of one ball,
which I'll have back. But they play a good cover
before we had, So I think it's just one of
those things that you learned from it and trying to

(57:09):
let those defensive guys give me. Yeah, Kyle, I know
he's backside. One on one with Gonzo, he made a
big time catch, you know, strong hands. I told him
to maybe sell a little more, just try to you know,
give him a go route feel. But I think he's
he's uh, he's coming along. He's looking good. I told Gonz,
I'm gonna coming Gonz. I'm not gonna, you know, backside,

(57:29):
I'm not gonna, you know, leave him out here board
at practice. So good for you know, rooking to make
a play like that, and uh, I think it's just
gonna get better and better.

Speaker 8 (57:35):
Tra what's your level of excitement coming into the year
two now and and with Rabel and with the vibe
around here.

Speaker 6 (57:41):
I think it's awesome.

Speaker 16 (57:42):
I think coming out here and kind of a reset
and you know, everybody you know feels good coming into camp.
I think it's kind of you get a tester and
get a feel when you come up these practices and uh,
these joint practices, you get a real field where you're at.
So I'm excited for you know, where this team's going.
I think we've got some more work to do, get
in shape. Kind of small details offensively, I like kind
of you know, day one where we're at and I

(58:02):
think we got some some more work to do.

Speaker 4 (58:04):
What about work here with Stefan Date? Is that exciting
for you?

Speaker 2 (58:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (58:07):
Anytime you know an All Pro and a player like that,
he made some plays out here today, It's it's awesome
being able to you'll throw the guy like that and
even when you feel like he's not open, he's gonna
go make a play for you. And uh kind of
tight coverage, you know, he's you'll, you know, strong receiver
gonna make plays. And I think it's Uh, we've got
a bunch of those guys in the room that a
kind of kind of earned their role and find their role.
Do you have some trust already sort of established with

(58:29):
Diggs just based on what he's done in his career?

Speaker 12 (58:31):
Take?

Speaker 4 (58:31):
Or is there so a long way to go there?

Speaker 16 (58:33):
I think there's certain players that you have trust right
when they come in. You know, Garrett Bradberry and Big
Mo up front, you know guys like that that have
been in this league. And you'll play a bunch of starts, uh,
Matt Collins, Hunter, Henry, those guys you know you trust
like trust is basically is me kind of earning my
trust for them.

Speaker 11 (58:49):
Is really sorry, sorry, right.

Speaker 16 (58:51):
Sorry, it's me really kind of uh kind of earning
their trust and kind of me kind of making him
feel like, yeah, they can you'll trust that guy back there.
I think those guys aread, haven't, you know, built in
with what they've done in this league.

Speaker 5 (59:02):
Your second year, how much PE will help you?

Speaker 2 (59:04):
Knowing what joint practices are about.

Speaker 16 (59:06):
Yeah, the preseason games about help you get what you
I think, I think it's a huge help.

Speaker 6 (59:11):
That's what the biggest thing is.

Speaker 16 (59:12):
You know, they say your rookie year is just you know,
one like you know after your rookie year year, just
like all the rest of the guys veteran. Why so
the rookie year is different. You don't really know what
to expect. You're coming out here, and I remember the
Eagles came out here and they I was in drill
and shoot a Mike Blitz came and I was under
gunn or I was under center and he basically was unblocked.

(59:32):
So little things like that that you kind of learned
as a rookie that you know, things don't happen like that.
I think coming into here too, hopefully it'll be a
kind of bigger stride for me. Kind of take the
next level to playing kind of chest match of the defense,
and then uh, we have some good teams coming here
that we're playing joy practicing, and we're going you were
coming here against Washington and we're going up to Minnesota's
two good defenses and two playoff teams.

Speaker 17 (59:52):
So how much how much of a leadership role do
you see yourself taking this year in the year or two,
are you comfortable stepping up and being more more of
a leader, not just with the offense, but with the
team as a whole.

Speaker 6 (01:00:03):
Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 16 (01:00:03):
I think, you know, I'm trying to be I think
that's something you got to earn. I think somebody I
come in there every day, you'll work hard, I'll play
good in practice. I think that's a big part. You'll
take practice seriously. I think the practice translations of the games.
It's hard to get you know this, the simulation. It's
not basketball, KINGO get shot opening three pointers. You know
you're you're There's nothing like beating in the mix of
it with a lot of bullets going. So try to earn,
you know, kind of earned my stripes and practice and

(01:00:24):
then from there just try to go on and hopefully
win some games and nothing that will help.

Speaker 4 (01:00:28):
Always always working on the final questions because you're always.

Speaker 5 (01:00:30):
Working on stuff. What's what's new in your tree.

Speaker 4 (01:00:31):
Blocks this year?

Speaker 16 (01:00:32):
Working on stuff? Yeah, I think, uh, just kind of
remaining a pastor longer when I scrambled, I think that's big,
kind of getting us out of pocket, remaining a pastor longer,
hope with some big plays, scramble plays, and just making
the defense. I feel like, you know, had good times
last year, or have some guys deep that I may
have missed him or I took off a run instead,
So to try to remain a pastor and uh, just
keep trying to work on footwork. I think that's the

(01:00:53):
big thing. New offense, you know, new play actions, new
uh new new concepts to try to time it up
and get a good group.

Speaker 13 (01:00:59):
So you said you were excited about the prospects of
this team going forward.

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
What excites you lost?

Speaker 13 (01:01:06):
Is there something specific that you can point to and
say this is gonna be good?

Speaker 6 (01:01:12):
M what excites me most?

Speaker 5 (01:01:13):
I liked that question.

Speaker 16 (01:01:16):
I think you've got the guys around here that are
are tired of losing around here and the guys that
want to win. I think that's what excites me most.
Some guys want to win around here. I think in
the past two or three years around here and the
past year from me. I want to speak for myself,
but I think those guys around here there are tired
of losing want to win.

Speaker 6 (01:01:29):
So thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:01:32):
And now great moments in history.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
Evan lecturing Tamara about local cuisine. Didn't he eat McDonald's
in Germany? No, that was me.

Speaker 11 (01:01:43):
I did not eat Samara.

Speaker 4 (01:01:45):
Yeah, that was actually Tamara, I, Alex and Matiza.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
I had McDonald's twice and John.

Speaker 11 (01:01:52):
Don't throw me in that. Wait did you go to
five guys?

Speaker 4 (01:01:58):
Went to podcast? But I also ahead the schnetzel.

Speaker 11 (01:02:00):
Wait, but I will call out. I will call out
Evan on this.

Speaker 4 (01:02:05):
He was too good for German coffee. He had to
have starbuck That's true.

Speaker 5 (01:02:09):
I recall that.

Speaker 4 (01:02:11):
I immediately texted Beth and said, oh, you'd like Evan,
but I what Starbucks.

Speaker 10 (01:02:16):
I'm sure it doesn't surprise anybody that I am a
food snob.

Speaker 11 (01:02:21):
That's food. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
Surprise anybody Patrick Patrick and Ottawa thinks I'm a food snob,
he says when Fred. When Fred speaks of food, it's
with such snobbery.

Speaker 4 (01:02:32):
Yes, there's no question he nails it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
He channels the soul of Eric.

Speaker 4 (01:02:36):
You tell everybody, don't get this, get this. This is
the better Maaker Fred.

Speaker 11 (01:02:41):
I feel like Fred and I are on the same wavelength.
But he takes he does it a little bit more
than idea.

Speaker 4 (01:02:45):
He's worse than you at it. Yes, I smash one
before smash Burgers, the tavern Burger. That's the one.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
That's the one.

Speaker 4 (01:02:53):
You're wasting your time with, the whiskey River barbere. Don't
Mayo on it.

Speaker 5 (01:02:56):
Don't put Mayo on it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
Yeah, Mayo ruin it.

Speaker 5 (01:03:00):
What's honestly, I don't know this. Friend's always tell me
not to.

Speaker 4 (01:03:03):
That's another great moment.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
I'm all right back here on Patriots Unfiltered. It's Deuce,
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Speaker 11 (01:04:00):
Food New Orleans.

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
Good food.

Speaker 6 (01:04:03):
Food, Yeah, Cross What do you like?

Speaker 5 (01:04:06):
What do you get down there? What's the crocodile?

Speaker 10 (01:04:08):
Getes are big, but the restaurants down there are supposed
to be incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
I have to credit Eric. He took us. He took us.
He didn't pay, but he took us to a restaurant
that created the bananas Foster. So like when you have
your dessert, they come right to the side of your
table and they got the fire going with the pan
and they make it right there right next to you
to It was delicious. It was delicious.

Speaker 5 (01:04:38):
It's making me hungry.

Speaker 4 (01:04:39):
Yeah, we just had pizza time actually, because I don't
know if you guys ever heard of that place, but
they had left over pizza pizza. Who ordered pizza. It
was leftover from that was yesterday, giant order in the
fridge pizza.

Speaker 11 (01:04:55):
I didn't took it off.

Speaker 5 (01:04:57):
Sorry, I'm a little bit.

Speaker 8 (01:04:58):
I'm a little bit thrown off because I didn't realize
I was sitting in a sopping wet chair.

Speaker 4 (01:05:02):
From actually apologized when he got up and I said,
don't worry about it. That's seat.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
So no, but honestly, it's not Mike's fault because he
just came off the practice film. We appreciate that. So
we'll just have to make note that when we get
players off the press.

Speaker 4 (01:05:19):
I wrote it down.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
Yeah, yeah, no, seriously, you know, like, yeah, we'll do that.

Speaker 10 (01:05:26):
Did you see uh, Ted Carris on Edelman's podcast The
towel the baby incident. This has been written before, but
you know Brady with centers would make them put a
towel in their pants because Brady didn't want the sweat drip,
so he put the.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
Spends a lot for those manicures you don't want to like, you.

Speaker 10 (01:05:47):
Know, and apparently he Ted Carris didn't know when he
was like a young player, rookie, and Brady did it
on the sideline, pulled his pants down on the sideline
and put the towel in his pants for him, right
right in the front of you know, Ted care is,
like in front of sixty five thousand people.

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
Who was the guy though that was just notoriously bad
sweater like he started? It was Stork.

Speaker 5 (01:06:11):
I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
It could have been Paula. There was one guy who
was just.

Speaker 4 (01:06:14):
Like one of the few bad guys. He was so true,
made his way through the locker room. And I don't
know what he's like in real life, but in the
locker room he went out of his way to be unfriendly.

Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
And like really now confrontations. Yeah, yeah, but I heard
off the field like he's coached. He's coaching football. Can
tell you he seems like people like him. But oh
he was mean to us and just out of his
way to be mean.

Speaker 4 (01:06:38):
Yeah, and not just it wasn't like an US thing.

Speaker 5 (01:06:40):
It was not for everybody, everybody.

Speaker 8 (01:06:42):
He must have been especially happy after everyone was blaming
him for tipping the signals and what the twenty was
it the twenty fifteen or twenty thirteen ANFC championship game
where they said von Miller was getting off the ball
in like zero point five seconds.

Speaker 5 (01:06:54):
Because they seem to know that the snapcount.

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
You know another guy who like was mean to some
people but was really nice was with Ferrick Colins. Remember
him who it might have been before you.

Speaker 4 (01:07:03):
Ferrick Collins was mean to me?

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
Oh he was mean to you. Yeah, Oh he was
nice to me.

Speaker 4 (01:07:08):
He was very mean to me.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:07:10):
He was a defensive lineman.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
Yeah, how is he mean to you?

Speaker 4 (01:07:15):
Told me to hall ass Well, he done that.

Speaker 5 (01:07:21):
It's funny because usually.

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
Remember him talking about Ed Duckworth.

Speaker 4 (01:07:25):
It just came out of his neck. That was Henry Thomas.

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
No I think that was. But anyway, Ed Duckworth like
this old time scribe, like the old krusty guy, and
he smokes cigarettes.

Speaker 4 (01:07:36):
He's the one that Doug dug Mesunshine dot com.

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
All he would do was smoke cigarettes and drink coffee.
So like his breath, he's like, damn that guy's breast,
it stinks. It comes out of his neck. It's that's awful.
It was.

Speaker 8 (01:07:53):
What's funny because I always feel like offensive linemen are
generally like some of the most talkative, friendly, amiable players.

Speaker 5 (01:07:59):
In the locker room. You know Doctor Z.

Speaker 8 (01:08:01):
One of Doctor Z's book that he wrote, he's like,
always go talk to the offensive lineman.

Speaker 5 (01:08:05):
They know what's going on.

Speaker 8 (01:08:06):
They're always usually happy to talk to you. But I
guess barn Struck was the exception.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
Eric in New Hampshire. Erica in New Hampshire writes in
New Listener, First time email. My boyfriend's been listening for
a while and he's a huge fan. Well, thanks, excellent.
I'm calling out Sean from Pennsylvania, So first, Godler, immediately
listen crime. I love it calling out Sean and Pennsylvania
for his too much Julian Edelman take from Tuesday's episode Respectfully, Sean,

(01:08:35):
there actually wasn't enough Julian Edelman in episode two of
Forge in Foxborough. They should put him more of him
in Actually, you can replay his catch from Super Bowl
fifty one for forty five minutes. For all I care
played all twelve season with New England, retired a Patriot,
was inducted in the Patriots Hall of Fame. What more
can you ask for from the guy?

Speaker 4 (01:08:53):
I'm with? Sean? Yeah, to be honest with you, I'm
with Sean.

Speaker 10 (01:08:57):
Can we show like the cam Chancellor won a little
bit more like fifty one catch is awesome too, But
like the forty nine catches maybe just as good, and
that he gets his bell rung by Cam Chancellor and
just like hangs onto the ball and like, I feel
like that's a great catch too.

Speaker 11 (01:09:11):
It doesn't give enough flow.

Speaker 8 (01:09:12):
You could probably easily make a video Top ten Julian
Edelman third down catches in the playoffs, like.

Speaker 11 (01:09:18):
Just simply that in Kansas City.

Speaker 5 (01:09:20):
Just I mean there's there's easily ten of them. I
mean I can think like five of them right at
the top of them.

Speaker 4 (01:09:24):
Yeah, I mean, I just think that, like we're, you know,
the there's two ways of looking at it. We're trying
to do some stuff, and I understand, we get you know,
we're listening to everybody's voice that's talking with the team.
This is about this team. This is about twenty twenty five. Yeah,
So I don't need to see like his catch in
Super Bowl fifty one.

Speaker 5 (01:09:43):
Yeah, you were there.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
Oh I think that was fine.

Speaker 4 (01:09:45):
No, no, no, I'm not talking about the documentary like
the fight back on Sean here, like yeah, like I mean,
should we have Tom Brady on too, Like yeah, I
want to know, I mean, at least with Brady. In fairness,
as I'm correcting myself, he played, he played with Babel.

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
I don't know. We've had walk We've had greatness walk
through this building and achieved great things. And I think
it's to hear their comments, and I think it's always
something that we shouldn't forget about. I don't know, choose
a draw. Let's see who's this dinner plates? He calls himself. Wow,

(01:10:25):
Mike is big.

Speaker 12 (01:10:26):
Not you.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
When the desk couldn't contain him, he made you guys
look like us, even the pre twenty twenty five two
liter before picture Paul would be a snack to him.
I don't mean this in a derogatory way, but he's
like a thoroughbrid Clydesdale.

Speaker 5 (01:10:43):
He's actually an NFL offensive linemans.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
He's the name big Mike.

Speaker 11 (01:10:47):
He's the biggest one.

Speaker 10 (01:10:49):
He's the widest probably, but like in terms of like,
like Morgan is bigger guy.

Speaker 5 (01:10:53):
I put a put the other rookie on there. What's
his name?

Speaker 8 (01:10:56):
Marcus Bryant monster six eight h yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
Uh, let's get back to the hotline. Shawn's in Virginia. Hey, Sean,
how you guys doing okay?

Speaker 4 (01:11:09):
Good good?

Speaker 12 (01:11:10):
That's one of the fall as Paul far when it
comes to the level of operism. I think that's reason
for great operaism because I think from you back there
that uh, if they can get great uh you know, uh,
they at least they can have a great confident offense.
I think that can a lot of defense get more
much more breath because I think the thing that goes
under the radar, the resonance the defense.

Speaker 9 (01:11:30):
Been bad over the years or whatever, because they spend
too much time on the field.

Speaker 12 (01:11:34):
At least when you're gonna have Brady had a competent
offense or whatever he was able to kill on the
field or to off the field for some time, whatever,
But they tell you in recent years they haven't ready
gotten that at top. I think that if they can
get that this year, I think that I could win
eleven for that just.

Speaker 10 (01:11:49):
Means okay, thanks sean complimentary football on all three phases
to help each other out.

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
Parcels used to say, it's giving each other hope. Yeah,
you know, the defense gives the offense hope and the
offense gives the defense hope.

Speaker 8 (01:12:01):
I agree, both sides need to improve on that from
last year. The offense needs to give it over the less,
the defense needs to turn it over more and feed
into everything that Sean just said.

Speaker 11 (01:12:10):
Yea, and the punts. You know you got to have
the punts be good. Yeah, got field position.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
Now ye have the other teams defense tired in the
fourth quarter? Not yours, Sam's and San Francisco. What's up? Sam?

Speaker 13 (01:12:24):
Thank guys. A quick question here about the running backs.
I know it's hard to gauge when they're not in
pat but I really thought Antonio Gibson, I'll played Ramande
for most of the latter part of last year. I
thought he really should have got more touches. But do
you think we're holding jig? We got four guys on
the on the roster, now we keep three and then

(01:12:47):
we got the rookie with subdues everyone's been talking about.
But what what do you guys think.

Speaker 12 (01:12:52):
The plan is?

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
Think of Brandon?

Speaker 4 (01:12:57):
What the plan is? The plan is what I mean
with all the running, I'm not sure what we're talking about.
The running. It's like six running, seven running backs of
something like on the.

Speaker 5 (01:13:06):
Roster, right, I mean if you count Lampy, I.

Speaker 4 (01:13:08):
Would count them all. Like if we're going to say
they're on the roster, I mean, for some reason we
say that they have a crowded wide receiver room right
if we're going to count them all that are on
the roster, I know, like Terrell Jennings should count, Lan
Larison should count, Antonio Gibson and both Trevion's should count.

Speaker 11 (01:13:26):
There's three running backs on the roster, maybe four.

Speaker 4 (01:13:29):
Yeah, I think you're trying to decide does does EV's
boy Lampy count in the group? Is that three plus
a fullback?

Speaker 11 (01:13:37):
He counts? With the tight end?

Speaker 4 (01:13:38):
Does he count as three plus a full back? Or
does he count or does he not have a job?
And then you have to add a tight end. There's
a lot of different ways that you can build a roster,
and I think it's way too early to try to.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
You know, the wide receivers get the attention. But there's
ninety one guys in the team right now. All the
rooms is crowded.

Speaker 4 (01:14:00):
Yeah, and every team around the league has roughly the
same amount of players at each position group because it's
kind of like paint by numbers. This is what you
do as an NFL. You have a lot of offensive linemen.
You know, you have a lot of wide receivers. Wide
receivers you need because they run more than anybody else.
During the course of a practice and you can't just

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like grind them into the ground. It's almost like pictures
in baseball, like not the same guys can throw batting
practice every day, Like you got to have different arms,
and you have to have receivers that are fresh, right,
like guy John Giles still continues to show up.

Speaker 10 (01:14:33):
I would say that they have three running backs right
now that are pretty near locks. I mean, obviously Stevenson
and Trevon Henderson are locks, but I would also put
Antonio Gibson pretty comfortably on the roster right now. I
think big picture of the plan is to have Stevenson
and Henderson be like this lightning, thunder and lightning combination.
They're very complimentary but gives them to the caller's point

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that you had a very productive season on a per
carry basis last year, and all the advanced metrics loved
Antonio Gibson last year.

Speaker 11 (01:15:02):
You yards after content didn't.

Speaker 4 (01:15:03):
Play well at times. See that's an example, like you know,
individually you can still play well even when you're in
the midst of a bad season. I thought Gibson played
better than Stevenson right just the caller said me too.

Speaker 5 (01:15:13):
I think it's a great room right now.

Speaker 4 (01:15:15):
The balance that you have with the rookie with a veteran,
with Stevenson being hopefully the guy that.

Speaker 5 (01:15:21):
Kind of be the bell cow back, it's good. It's
a really good mix.

Speaker 8 (01:15:24):
And we'll see if any of these other guys, I
mean Landlairs can he land on the practice squatter?

Speaker 5 (01:15:27):
You know, we'd like Terrell Jennings last year. He's still
around kicking.

Speaker 10 (01:15:30):
So yeah, Land Harrison is the one, like the one
guy that I think is a wild card in terms
of you know, he had but he has to make
the roster, like they don't have to carry four running backs.
So if he's going to make the roster, it's going
to be because he's so good that they can't kind
of tear.

Speaker 5 (01:15:45):
It up in the preseason.

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
Right all right, Christian in La, what do you got? Well,
what I have is there? We go.

Speaker 9 (01:15:54):
Thank you guy for having me on the picture show
there the day. But I wanted to like my ire
at Paul for saying I tried too hard. You guys
had a guy with a cello, a guy Paul with
a dog. Then you had a guy in a firement
outfit and I'm sitting in my cars he's looking at

(01:16:17):
the camera taking a selfie and Paul did I tried too.

Speaker 8 (01:16:20):
Hard, Christian, you have a great jawline.

Speaker 5 (01:16:25):
I was impressed by the John.

Speaker 4 (01:16:27):
Yes, I don't think anybody else had a studio quality
photo sent in like you.

Speaker 12 (01:16:33):
I went to the car taking a selfie.

Speaker 4 (01:16:36):
Put together your outfit for you.

Speaker 12 (01:16:39):
It was a Lulu.

Speaker 9 (01:16:43):
Crying too hard and there we have it, drinking the
hater and I think you have IP in it, and
you probably have a shot of something in it. Off
of football, yes, sir, let's you guys. Dog of you guys.
So yesterday, I've read at the end that we had

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four of the fifty fifty most important off season move
the cornerback Carlton, David Milton, that we got Stefan Diggs
and then Kyle Williams. They listed those for the most important.
For the fourth and fiftieth four of the fifty most
important off season move, we had four Patriots on it.

(01:17:27):
That kind of says what the league is expecting of.

Speaker 6 (01:17:29):
Us, right, not real.

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
We could also say that we had more needs than
a lot of other teams.

Speaker 4 (01:17:36):
That's what it says to me.

Speaker 2 (01:17:37):
Yeah, yeah, but I would I would as the most
important offseason.

Speaker 11 (01:17:42):
I mean, this is just like personnel roster, yeah, per
no players.

Speaker 2 (01:17:46):
Yeah, so it was just players.

Speaker 4 (01:17:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:17:49):
My second question for you guys is this on Will Campbell,
it seems like what it seemed like he would want
to be closer to his defender since he has like
a sort of short arm prop and that would show
up if there's more state between them, right, guys can
get around, So shouldn't he line up close to the
line in general?

Speaker 2 (01:18:09):
I don't know. I don't know about that, but typically speaking,
I just thought he was a little bit further back
than he should have been. But again it could be
an angle thing. Thanks Christian.

Speaker 10 (01:18:18):
Yeah, typically speaking, guys that are a little bit undersize
are more aggressive. You know, they want to they want
to go get you instead of waiting for you to
come back. If you're Trent Brown, you can sit back
in your chair and wait and just you know, make
guys go through you. But when you're a guy like
Will Campbell, you want to be more aggressive and be
the one initiating the contact exactly.

Speaker 11 (01:18:37):
So he's right about.

Speaker 10 (01:18:39):
That, but often, you know, I was expecting Will Campbell
to have some things going on with his stance because
his stance in college was a little unorthodox. He never
really was in a three point stance because they were
a gun offense and they never really had a need
for three point stance. So there's some things in a
pro style system that might be a little bit different
for him.

Speaker 8 (01:18:58):
I came across on Instagram some high school highlights of
Will Campbell. It's just like a camp where he was
doing drills, no pads, no helmet anything, just you've all
seen those drills and man throwing guys to the ground,
standing in guys faces. I mean, he was not intimidated
in the least by anybody. And I know it's high
school and now he's in the NFL, so clearly he
was an elite talent at that level. But it's just

(01:19:18):
fun to see little Will Campbell, you know, as a youngster,
still playing with that same attitude that we saw out
of him at LSU.

Speaker 2 (01:19:25):
Yeah, So if there was if the question was asked,
what's the one thing that's a you know, an obvious
question going into this season that you're most confident about
having a positive answer eventually? To me, it's Will Campbell.

Speaker 4 (01:19:41):
I mean, for right now, I'm feeling pretty high on
Drake May's development, you know. I mean, I don't want
to overstate it because it's so important and it's so
hard to do. And I'm sure even if he has
a great season and you know, gets off to a
great start, there's still going to be some ups and
downs for him. But it all starts and ends for him.
And right now I feel positive on him. And if
that works out, then I don't know how how much
the rest of it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
What are the things that we're most concerned about, Well,
the wide receivers, Like are they going to have pick that? Okay,
that's a good one too. I mean, like you think
it's gonna work out.

Speaker 4 (01:20:08):
It'll be okay because I think Diggs looks like he's
pretty comfortable. He's gonna be pretty healthy week one. You
so you're gonna have that guy that slots everybody else.

Speaker 2 (01:20:16):
Yeah, but there's a lot you know, Milton Williams, will
he be able to play full time?

Speaker 4 (01:20:21):
You know, because I don't know if that's a I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:20:24):
It's a question. Yeah, it's a question.

Speaker 8 (01:20:25):
Yeah that that that isn't a top my list. I
mean I think I think he wants to. And then
the fact that you have Barn wore there. It's not
like it's Milton Williams or bust. So you have a
good guy to have a rotation. You'll always have someone
who can have an interior presence like that. But I know, Paul,
would you say, is Stefan Digs a number one?

Speaker 4 (01:20:44):
Yes?

Speaker 11 (01:20:44):
Is he a weapon?

Speaker 4 (01:20:47):
Yes? Oh yeah, I mean I'm sorry, a guy who
has like fifteen hundred yard seasons is yes, it is
a weapon. He is absolutely a weapon for this offense.
He's without question the number one receiver and a weapon.
Now you could get into paul semantics. If he's a

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number one or any other team at this stage in
his career, doesn't matter. He's a patriot. No, but come on,
he's a number one. I'm I'm not being stupid, am I?
But I think in relation to that though, it's really
as I said earlier with Williams and Booty, like how
much of those guys contribute? Does Booty take another step?
Does Williams really blossom? And then you know, maybe you
do find a complimentary piece to it. And an observation

(01:21:30):
about Booty he's a slow starter. I don't notice him
early in campag this is three years in a row.
I haven't the first pass he's I mean, he's out there.
He starts with with Diggs in Douglas and I don't
see him as much as I see other guys. Do
you think it part of it is that that outside role,
but I have him play is about goes and comebacks

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and not get a lot.

Speaker 11 (01:21:53):
Of targets that as the X and Joshua.

Speaker 4 (01:21:58):
But like I kind of agree Mike, I thought that
Williams looked like he was in that role. Yeah when
he comes in, Yeah, most and he's gotten some you know,
maybe they want to target him. Maybe it's one of
those deals. I don't, Yeah, I just.

Speaker 10 (01:22:13):
You know, with McDaniel's I think the term that gets
used a lot as the sacrificial X, and it's like
you're just there to take to occupy the safety and
put a deep element to it because we're actually trying
to throw the ball in other places.

Speaker 11 (01:22:25):
But I think my biggest concern, just put the team
overall right now, is just depth. You know.

Speaker 10 (01:22:30):
I think they did a nice job of getting the
frontline starters into much better shape than it has been,
and I feel a lot better about the top of
the roster than I have in recent years. But you
start looking at some of the position groups and today
with the corners, like you know, Carlon Davis wasn't out
there today, and now all of a sudden you have
like Alex Austin and Marcella's dial and like those guys

(01:22:51):
are playing a lot, and are they ready for that?
You know, at right tackle, if Morgan Moses isn't what
we think he is or is hurt, or now Trey J.
Cubs is back out there, or it's Cayden Wallace or
it's Marcus Bryant, and do they have enough to withstand
the injuries that are inevitably.

Speaker 4 (01:23:08):
That's my biggest question. But but I thought Fred made
a good little twist on that, like what do you
feel the best about the questions that will be answered positively?
And I think the wide receiver one. You know, I'm
not telling you they're going to have to Drake and
the wide receiver they're not going to have a great situation.

(01:23:30):
I'm trying to come up with something that's like a
major quest, Like the offensive line is a major question.
Depth is a major question overall. I don't know how
big of a question, you know, Like Milton Williams, can
he really play full time. You know. Yeah, I don't know.

(01:23:50):
I don't know if he can or not. But I
guess that's a major question. It's hard coming up with
one that I definitively think is going to be answered positively. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:23:58):
I mean I tie all this to kind of what
we talked about earlier about the right tackle position, which
is I'm trying to hold out some hope that some
of these death pieces actually might be able to be
solid death pieces and not. You know, this is you
got to get through this year and really figure out
who the vrabel guys are, who the holdovers are that
can actually carry over from previous regimes into this regime

(01:24:19):
and still carve out, you know, a significant role. So
that's why I think if you have some of these
guys that you're surprised that you weren't really counting on,
you know. And I'll just use Jacob's as the example
because we talked about him earlier. But again, like you know,
suddenly all of a sudden, it's like whoa, He's suddenly
something well out there, Yeah, you know, And I mean
I'm not saying that that's going to happen, but there

(01:24:39):
are other positions along the roster where you know, Alex
Austin has had solid ends to the last couple of seasons,
battled injuries, hasn't been able to put it all together.
But does Carlton Davis have some kind of lingering injury?

Speaker 4 (01:24:50):
Does he get more of an opportunity he steps up
and now all of a sudden it's like, Okay, we've
got another young corner now that we can try to
keep around and provide some depth. So it's a great
question thing. And I got asked the same thing when
I went on a serious radio yesterday and I know,
who were you within seems and I'm no, no, it

(01:25:11):
was it was. It wasn't a big show.

Speaker 5 (01:25:12):
I don't think I party shows. His music show just
asked me about music the whole time.

Speaker 4 (01:25:17):
But they asked me the same thing about you know,
where is the biggest concern on the top And I'm like,
there isn't really top line concerns. You kind of know
who the guys are out there, and you hope that
they play well, of course, but really the question are
the depth the sub packages, how do the wide receiver
snaps get divvied up?

Speaker 5 (01:25:33):
Those kind of things.

Speaker 10 (01:25:34):
Yeah, I mean like they're going to have a playmaker question,
like do they have enough firepower on offense to really
compete with the top top teams. But like to Fred's
question earlier, I think all those little things are going
to figure themselves out just fine. Like I think Will
Campbell's going to be just fine. I think Milton Williams
is going to be just fine. The question, the only
question that I have is like when they do get injuries,

(01:25:54):
and they will get injuries, like do they have enough
depth behind some of these guys to withstand it and
be really you know, are we going to get be
in November and December? And it's like, well, I tackle,
like everybody got hurt, and you know.

Speaker 2 (01:26:06):
Now we're on Well if everybody gets hurt.

Speaker 10 (01:26:10):
Their starters got hurt, and now we're on Trey Jacobs
and Venerian Lowe again, and here you know that we're.

Speaker 4 (01:26:15):
It's not it's not everybody there are I agree with Evan,
there are a couple of guys that if they got hurt,
would be borderline disastrous. And it's not everybody, you know,
but if if you if you lost like three guys
out of what he's talking about, like you know, one
of the tackles one of the corners and one in Spalline.

(01:26:39):
You know, that'd be really really impactful. That's not a
lot of injuries, but it's three very specific.

Speaker 10 (01:26:46):
Ones, right, you know, because I just feel like they
had to get back to level with the roster this
past offseason, and they did a nice job of that,
but they haven't built enough over years, right, Like, in
order to really build up the whole fifty three, it
takes two or three years to really have that.

Speaker 8 (01:27:03):
Was like, they went into free agency and got some
of their guys, but they haven't been able to draft
develop their kind of guys to round out the roster.

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
Here, Nathan is in Monterey, Texas, Mexico, says, I opened
the show on Monday, and imagine my excitement when one
of the first topics to come up was the two
thousand and two season. My heart skipped a beat. As
Fred Toldpaul, we'll talk about that later. We got an
email about it. My email was about to touch the
hollow lips of kersh was about to echo in the

(01:27:32):
halls of Patriots podcast history. I was about to have
sarcasm and snark directed my way by Paul some self
deprecating jokes from Mike, even Fawn reminiscing about his days
as a young fan by Evan, and then two hours
and nothing. As time wore on, I realized I'd been teased,
teased by Fred Kersh. My email was not going to

(01:27:54):
be read. Anyone else who has experienced his religious experience
can understand and relate to the ecstasy felt. I have
been blessed. I will die happy. PS. I really am
interested in answer to my question about the two thousand
and two season, and I do remember that, and I
apologize Nathan, we get sidetracked. But his question was what happened?
They won the Super Bowl in one and then in

(01:28:16):
O two. I think it's like one of only two
years that Brady didn't make the playoffs.

Speaker 5 (01:28:23):
Yeah, like led the league in touchdowns?

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
Is that right?

Speaker 4 (01:28:27):
So he led the league in touchdowns just despite not
really being good until like oh seven.

Speaker 2 (01:28:34):
It's always this argument that he's like, no, I mean, Paul.

Speaker 4 (01:28:39):
The think Paul's always said to me because I've asked him,
that he's asking questions like they couldn't stop the run.
That was a big, big problem with that team. They
brought in some guys. Steve Martin was sort of the
poster child for it. He was a great remember the
great guy. He played some nose tackle for that team.
Great talker, wasn't a great player, didn't didn't really play

(01:28:59):
all that well. Four of them up front in the.

Speaker 5 (01:29:02):
Next Yeah, that shows you.

Speaker 4 (01:29:04):
So they recognized the problems. And back then that era,
you know, running the ball and stopping the run was
far more vital to a team's success than it is today.
Not that it's irrelevant today, but it was really really important.
I remember the third game they started. The team started
off three and zero and then they ended up finishing
nine and seven. Very pedestrian. But the third game was

(01:29:25):
at home here against Kansas City, and Priest Holmes ran
for about one hundred and eighty five yards. They just
couldn't stop them, could not stop them on the ground.
It was a shootout. I think the Patriots ended up
winning in overtime, but like forty one thirty eight or
thirty eight thirty five, something like that, they just couldn't
stop the run. It was kind of as simple as that.

Speaker 8 (01:29:46):
Kind of reminds me of the seventeen opener when I
or yeah, seventeen opener when same thing. Chiefs Kareem hunt
all over them and you're like, h oh, and that
was you got.

Speaker 5 (01:29:55):
To the super Bowl. But a sign of these team
is going to struggle to stop people.

Speaker 10 (01:29:58):
That was my first experience was trying to understand tiebreakers
in sports. Like I was like nine, ten years old
at that point, and my dad's like trying to explain them.
But I'm like, but they have this, like the record
is good enough to make the playoffs, and he's like.

Speaker 11 (01:30:11):
They didn't make it. I kept refreshing.

Speaker 10 (01:30:14):
I remember, like the CBS sports line or whatever it was.
I was like, but I don't get it, Like what's
it was like a that in a in eight right
where they both they missed out on tie breakers in
both occasions. O.

Speaker 4 (01:30:26):
Wait, was was really unlucky. I mean the OA team
went eleven and five, You should make the playoffs at
eleven and five, nine and seven, you kind of leave
yourself vulnerable to a tiebreaker. But eleven and five, it
was just one of those years that it was sort
of been an a liar that eleven and five wasn't good.

Speaker 5 (01:30:43):
Enough to make the play missed the playoff.

Speaker 4 (01:30:45):
I think I think that there's a Denver team. I
remember being social with that no one else had ever
not made the playoffs. Yeah, no one's ever made it any
and he was, like, says here Denver, son of a bitch.
I don't remember that.

Speaker 2 (01:30:57):
Corey and Connecticut. Been at Patrios fan since the fled
So days and a diehard PU listener since twenty twenty season.
Absolutely love the show, look forward to every episode. Just
wanted to say the guest the listener game was one
of the absolute favorite things you've done. Hearing all these
callers every week, you can't help but create a mental
image of what they look like, and it was so

(01:31:18):
much fun to actually put the faces to the names.
I played along and got seven out of ten.

Speaker 4 (01:31:23):
Right better than me, way better than us.

Speaker 2 (01:31:26):
Christian in La looked as smug as one might imagine,
and I knew immediately it had to be him Ford
and Savannah and his look of whimsy totally had me fooled.
I thought he was James Pettigroup. Can't wait for the
next edition with Patty from Agawam, Jack for Ma and
Aba and more of the faithful PU listeners.

Speaker 4 (01:31:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:31:44):
Fun.

Speaker 5 (01:31:44):
Have those emails still been coming in people sent in
their pictures?

Speaker 6 (01:31:48):
I guess, so that's fun.

Speaker 5 (01:31:49):
The people could play at home. I didn't even think
of that though. That's a it's a family game, it's
a fun game.

Speaker 2 (01:31:53):
It's a family game.

Speaker 4 (01:31:54):
Everybody can play. Can't win if you don't play.

Speaker 2 (01:31:58):
Yeah, that's right. Josh in Atlanta writes in Dear do
Some Fred, I love you both dearly, but your unbridled
trait Jacob's optimism won't distract me from the unmitigated disaster
that was last year. Per PFF, Jacobs was thirty eighth
out of four one hundred and forty eligible tackles in
total snaps, but ranked one hundred and thirty seventh in

(01:32:21):
overall block grading. Any scenario where he benches Morgan Moses
is catastrophic. Also, Christian and La tried too hard in
that photo submission and in every one of his many
nauseating ventures.

Speaker 4 (01:32:35):
Kind of Christian. Everybody's saying it. They felt like a
photo shoot, a little bit like I wonder it definitely lights,
he had some lighting and lighting.

Speaker 10 (01:32:43):
It seemed like maybe a ring light, you know, like
there's a lot of an influencer on the side.

Speaker 5 (01:32:47):
Right he understands he's gonna call back in I.

Speaker 2 (01:32:53):
Want to hear from miss Iceland like what happened?

Speaker 4 (01:32:55):
Right?

Speaker 5 (01:32:56):
And what do they do in Iceland?

Speaker 4 (01:32:58):
She's living in the Greater Naya falls Er.

Speaker 2 (01:33:00):
Well, the the funny thing about it is Iceland is
the one that's more green. Green is the one that's
more ice.

Speaker 5 (01:33:08):
I've heard that, did you know? I've heard that tale
Vikings very.

Speaker 4 (01:33:11):
Small drive on a parkway and park.

Speaker 2 (01:33:18):
That's actually a Stephen Right's Stephen Right?

Speaker 11 (01:33:22):
Which one is the one that's James James Bond goes.
I think it's Iceland.

Speaker 5 (01:33:25):
Oh, I'm not a Chiefs Bawn guy.

Speaker 4 (01:33:28):
Really, James, I thought for sure you'd be a James
Bond guy.

Speaker 5 (01:33:30):
Halle Berry.

Speaker 2 (01:33:33):
James all time great franchises.

Speaker 4 (01:33:36):
I would totally agree with that, And I would also
tell you in the same breath that I've never seen
a single one what what.

Speaker 2 (01:33:43):
Gosh?

Speaker 11 (01:33:45):
I mean doesn't like action?

Speaker 4 (01:33:47):
That's completely on rom com. Matter of fact, I watched
it for the four thousand consecutive times the other day.

Speaker 2 (01:33:55):
But you think you think love story?

Speaker 10 (01:33:58):
Now I'm mad creators like so good soundtrack?

Speaker 5 (01:34:05):
Are you not entertained?

Speaker 2 (01:34:06):
It's kind of like the way it was back?

Speaker 11 (01:34:08):
Is this like Shakespeare?

Speaker 4 (01:34:10):
That's what I think of that take?

Speaker 11 (01:34:12):
Have you never seen Skyfall.

Speaker 8 (01:34:13):
No, I saw like the like the Roger Moore one
in like the eighties.

Speaker 4 (01:34:19):
And one of the worst living living like the Roger
Moore won a lot.

Speaker 18 (01:34:24):
I'm sorry sorry, Well the one that I forget which
one it was Living Let Die, Living, Let Dies, Moon
Brakers that was that was that was Roger was his
best living. Yeah, definitely saw the Living Daylights at the
Cape Cinema.

Speaker 5 (01:34:37):
And Dennis for sure remember that clearest day to me
Dalton very.

Speaker 10 (01:34:41):
The boat chasing and Living Let Die is legit and
that's like and that was like back then like that,
you know, to be able to put something together like that.

Speaker 11 (01:34:48):
And then you have Paul McCartney on the soundtrack.

Speaker 5 (01:34:50):
Yea great, Like you're like Sean Connery, you got them all.
You're like James Bond.

Speaker 11 (01:34:54):
My father is the biggest James Bond all right.

Speaker 8 (01:34:58):
Well he read the books and stuff down right, I
mean I've watched.

Speaker 5 (01:35:03):
And he would agree that Broy's the best Bond, right.

Speaker 4 (01:35:05):
Uh really Bond is that fact? See, I can't comment
on account I didn't see.

Speaker 2 (01:35:14):
I think Craig is the best.

Speaker 11 (01:35:16):
He's very good.

Speaker 2 (01:35:17):
I mean a lot of people think it's blasphemy to
say anybody but Sean Connery, but.

Speaker 4 (01:35:23):
I expect you to die.

Speaker 10 (01:35:24):
Roger Moore is like that's his era, you know, like
she's a little too young for Sean Connery. It was
like the sixties, so he was a young and so
like Roger Moore like Live and Let Die is probably
his favorite.

Speaker 2 (01:35:36):
When I was a kid, I had the toy Aston
Martin Carr that it would shoot little things out the front.
The bullet shield would come out in the back, you know,
doors open. It was really cool. And then I had
a James Bond briefcase that you open it up and
had all the weapons. It actually shot a missile out
the front of the thing like nowadays, like they would

(01:35:56):
never sell this because you know, kids would be getting killed.
But uh yeah, I had the James Bond briefcase. That
was That was Sean cold and I no gold Finger.
Goldfinger was Sean Connor. Remember like the worst one, Roger
Moore when they had that that giant guy and on

(01:36:18):
the space station.

Speaker 5 (01:36:20):
Yeah, that is correct that I'm in for this now.

Speaker 2 (01:36:23):
That was awful.

Speaker 4 (01:36:25):
That was awful.

Speaker 2 (01:36:26):
Awful movie.

Speaker 4 (01:36:28):
You guys are really guys are really selling it.

Speaker 11 (01:36:30):
That was awful.

Speaker 4 (01:36:30):
This one song he was the worst.

Speaker 2 (01:36:32):
Bonds, the one had the bond that was the first,
that was the first bond. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was
a one and done. Yeah yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:36:44):
Maybe it's like a franchise thing, like I'm not I
haven't really seen a lot of like Fast and Furious. No, no,
I saw the first one, and I'm thinking about all
of these like action kind of franchise things, and you
might be right.

Speaker 8 (01:36:57):
Yeah, like Parker said, we just park I'm like, I
miss I've seen six Jurassic Parks.

Speaker 4 (01:37:01):
I've seen some of your Jurassic Parks though, I've seen
like the first couple were worth watching.

Speaker 8 (01:37:05):
And like the Marvel movies, like I've left like and
then the DC movies, and like it's just so much
to talk about.

Speaker 4 (01:37:10):
Would be right about my critics. I don't like the Superhero.

Speaker 10 (01:37:13):
We're talking about that today because somebody asked me if
I had seen the New Superman or Fantastic Four yet,
and I was like, to be honest with you, like
getting kind of tired of it.

Speaker 11 (01:37:22):
Like there's been a lot.

Speaker 10 (01:37:23):
I know, Mad behind the Glass right now is like
you're gonna kill me, But like there's there's just there's a.

Speaker 4 (01:37:27):
Lot to do it in a variety of ways.

Speaker 10 (01:37:29):
Yeah, right, And there's a lot of superhero movies like
can We take a Break?

Speaker 8 (01:37:33):
Like and it's like it's so like this is gonna
set up the next twelve years of field. Like everyone's
trying to do what they did with the Avengers, right
and then trying to have their version of it, And
it's just.

Speaker 2 (01:37:42):
See, that's why I love the Boys on Prime because
it was a whole new take on superheroes and it
was just so irreverent.

Speaker 4 (01:37:50):
It was it was ridiculously over the top the deepest,
like one of my favorite characters, Like, he's such a funny,
such a loser.

Speaker 5 (01:37:57):
I love it the deep too many.

Speaker 2 (01:38:03):
He's his girlfriend's an octopus.

Speaker 8 (01:38:06):
What like the bit with the whale too, they had
some big whale where like a whale dies, I forget
the dolphins.

Speaker 2 (01:38:11):
Dolphin, Yeah, he's trying to say that. Yeah, he's such
a loser. Barton Poland writes in Fred, don't worry. I
forgive you for not recognizing me from the picture. But honestly,
considering how many Guinnesses were involved that night, I would
have bet on Evan being the one to forget.

Speaker 11 (01:38:32):
That was a night there there are quite a few beverages.

Speaker 2 (01:38:36):
Funny yeap, phil and Vermont writes in excited because for
the first time ever, I'm coming down for joint practice.
As is often the topic when it comes to the
joint practices, it's intriguing to see the teams come together,
observed player performances and evaluate who's excelling and who isn't.
My question is, what do you know about the relationships

(01:38:59):
between coaches during these joint practices? Our coaches generally open
to experimentation and collaboration, or are some more secretive and
reluctant to delve into the details.

Speaker 5 (01:39:09):
No, I think the first one.

Speaker 2 (01:39:10):
Yeah, I think they plan these joints because they have
a relationship. Yeah, you know, I really respect coach.

Speaker 11 (01:39:18):
They usually talk.

Speaker 10 (01:39:19):
They'll talk for the practices and they'll they'll go over
the script together of like what exactly they want to
hit and what they want to work on now in
terms of like what planes they're gonna call, I think
they keep that close to the best to anybody. But
in terms of the script of practice and situations like
are we first, second down, third down, third and long
red zone, like all that stuff I think gets talked about.

Speaker 4 (01:39:40):
You said at the top with Moses. They know what
our plays are, they know our cadences. I mean, just
to get to go against another team that it's more
of a level playing field against that defense.

Speaker 5 (01:39:50):
They're a little and it's just it's better preparation.

Speaker 4 (01:39:52):
You can see why the coaches enjoy it. I mean,
I do think I don't think we've mentioned it too.
I mean, it does seem like they're going to do
two with the Vikings.

Speaker 5 (01:39:59):
I mean we've gone back to one. Last year was one.

Speaker 8 (01:40:02):
This year was you know, one with the Commanders, But
it's gonna be two with the Vikings. To me, I
just wondered as that, you know, a sign of just
trust between Kevin O'Connell and and Rabel that it's not
gonna be like we were in Green Bay when the
first eight plays of the second day practices were all fights.

Speaker 5 (01:40:17):
You know, it was bad.

Speaker 2 (01:40:18):
Claire Claire Wright, Hello Marine ill everyone, she said, friend
on her Majesty's secret Servey. It wasn't the first bond
I stand corrected. It was Midway, but George Lazenbee's only
movie and it was one of the worst ones, So
I got doubt that, right. Claire's British, Yeah, George Lazenbe
and she agrees with you. She says, Marine, You're right,

(01:40:39):
Brosnan did the Bond best, So I.

Speaker 5 (01:40:42):
Think he had the best bond girl of.

Speaker 10 (01:40:45):
You're gonna say Ali Berry if we're being honest, I
really feel like it's Daniel Craig. But like all the
O G Vond fans like my dad would never say
it's Daniel Craig because it's too nostalgic for them to
say Connery or Roger Moore. But I think in terms
of the movies themselves, like his movies are were the best,
like Skyfallowers, Oh yeah, yeah, awesome movie.

Speaker 4 (01:41:05):
I've seen piece of You know what I like about
you know Craig though, is that he looks more like
a villain right an, But he plays a good guy,
doesn't he have just the.

Speaker 2 (01:41:10):
Look of like well looks Ian Fleming's book Bond was
he had like the double side to.

Speaker 11 (01:41:17):
Me, he's on the line.

Speaker 10 (01:41:18):
Yeah, he does some things that he like you are
not on like interesting not to the letter of the law,
Ye for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:41:25):
Oh yeah, he was, you know, straddling that line.

Speaker 4 (01:41:28):
Just like almost Father Fred esque. Yes, yes, you know,
willing to push the envelope.

Speaker 10 (01:41:35):
When but he has to do it because these villains
are like super villain. So the only way he's going
to bring down the villain is if he kind of
toes that line.

Speaker 4 (01:41:43):
Yeah, that's good, that's a good like button for some
of the series. And Father Fred is like when he
goes to confession and there's like a.

Speaker 8 (01:41:48):
Certain priest that he always goes to that knows all secrets,
and then like maybe he gets kidnapped, and Father Fred's worried,
like it's all going to get out, all the sneakers.

Speaker 4 (01:41:55):
He has to go to the eighty three year old,
staunchly Irish half Like I.

Speaker 2 (01:42:00):
Go into confession, it's light out and then at the
end it's dunk out because I've been in there that long.

Speaker 4 (01:42:05):
Father O'Shaughnessy has to hear Fred's Confession's.

Speaker 5 (01:42:09):
Been kidnapped, Fred, We've got to find him.

Speaker 4 (01:42:11):
Episode two one, Yeah, two to one. Yeah, Well we
hit it big.

Speaker 8 (01:42:16):
Syndication ten Yeah, Joe and Vermont.

Speaker 1 (01:42:23):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:42:24):
The other emailer was correct about the curse portrayal. I
need more Salt and Pepper shows because that's the only
time my emails get rid. Remember Salt and Pepper, Remember
they came here that that was evident me like, oh no,
we had a We had a listener who came in
with his girlfriend and they were like salt and pepper.

Speaker 4 (01:42:43):
Oh yeah, they've all left us.

Speaker 2 (01:42:47):
Maybe just Fred's presence increases email quantity times ten. In
all seriousness, what are the Patriots going to do with
the tight end depth if they go into season with
Henry Hooper and no fullback.

Speaker 5 (01:42:59):
It's another great example to what Paul said. If Hunter
Henry goes down, it starts.

Speaker 4 (01:43:02):
To in the other part, you know, roster building wise.
You know, yes, we can all say Lampi is on
the team and that would be one of those tight ends,
right or one of these guys plays his way onto
the roster and this is a handful.

Speaker 11 (01:43:19):
Of west Over CJ.

Speaker 4 (01:43:22):
Dippery is a G Scott or Scott G jam Bell
jahem Bell Foma draft pick. If one of these guys
has a strong camp and there's gonna be opportunity because
Hooper's driving at least out for now, it's not driving
the bott I'm sorry.

Speaker 5 (01:43:41):
It's what we do.

Speaker 4 (01:43:43):
I was just gonna say, we can't let down the audience.

Speaker 2 (01:43:45):
What are you doing, David the Philippines you're watching David.
The Philippines wants to know if we know what's going
on with Poke.

Speaker 8 (01:43:55):
Report today that he had a little stiffness and that
they're taking cautious in.

Speaker 11 (01:43:59):
The shoulder patness is what it was reported as, which a.

Speaker 5 (01:44:03):
Little strange in his shoulder. But I mean, well he
had being precautions really, but.

Speaker 10 (01:44:07):
I guess he passed his physical is all reported this,
But he passed his physical. But then I was trying
to get out there probably earlier this week and felt
some some tightness my arm.

Speaker 5 (01:44:18):
It's broke on my own.

Speaker 4 (01:44:20):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:44:21):
Mark's in Connecticut on the hotline. What's up? Mark?

Speaker 4 (01:44:25):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:44:25):
Mark?

Speaker 9 (01:44:27):
I just.

Speaker 13 (01:44:30):
What the robin? The robin?

Speaker 19 (01:44:32):
That was just a training camp today And I got
to go up and say ida Al exposed before he
got on ninety eight five.

Speaker 13 (01:44:39):
That was cool.

Speaker 2 (01:44:40):
Nice, Sorry for that. So do you have a good
time today?

Speaker 9 (01:44:45):
Has a very good time happened?

Speaker 19 (01:44:46):
What did you think of the training beyond Henderson wheel
wound with the explosive speed that the.

Speaker 2 (01:44:51):
Kids got, Kid's got great speed.

Speaker 4 (01:44:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:44:54):
He had hid catching the flat today where he scooted
it a little bit after the catch with it, I
mean you.

Speaker 11 (01:44:59):
Can see it floats.

Speaker 10 (01:45:00):
Yeah, obviously that's one of those guys that for McDaniels,
just finding ways to get him the ball in space,
like you don't want to force feed it.

Speaker 2 (01:45:08):
But what was your favorite part about camp today? Mark?

Speaker 11 (01:45:12):
Meeting Alex Bart of course, of course.

Speaker 19 (01:45:15):
Well absolutely, yeah, I got to talk to him. But
actually I got to say Caleb Burton and.

Speaker 2 (01:45:23):
Oh right, wow, he's the Burton family. Great. So you
get you know, any autographs or any anything, try any food.

Speaker 19 (01:45:32):
I'm actually gonna go meet Bob Douglass at Kowloons thirteen.

Speaker 2 (01:45:38):
Okay, you got a date with all right, sounds good
at the Kowloon up in Saugust.

Speaker 19 (01:45:45):
There.

Speaker 2 (01:45:45):
Okay, Kowloon the Kowloon, all right, that sounds like a
good all right, Well thanks Mark, thanks for checking in. Mark.
Was that practice today?

Speaker 5 (01:45:54):
I got to go back there. I haven't been there
since cheez, I think I haven't.

Speaker 2 (01:45:57):
I can't remember.

Speaker 5 (01:45:58):
Like the week of graduation we do all kinds of events,
and I think that was the last time I went there.

Speaker 8 (01:46:02):
We went whole like class of ninety nine.

Speaker 10 (01:46:05):
It's like a it's a big deal, like they have
like Andy Wong's like all over the place.

Speaker 2 (01:46:10):
Yeah, Jackie in and Arbor. I've read every one of
Ian Fleming's Bond books. Bond was an assassin, a cold
blooded killer. He was also a highly educated, refined English gentleman.
Sean Connery was by far the best Bond and it's
not even close. I could explain it in excruciating detail
why that is, but we don't have time.

Speaker 10 (01:46:31):
He was fantastic, But to be consistent with my take
on Jaws, his movies were obviously came out a very
long time ago, so it's a little bit of a
different level of.

Speaker 4 (01:46:43):
Do they not hold up?

Speaker 2 (01:46:45):
James Pettigrew, the most interesting Patriots fan in the world
and probably our closest listener to James Bond said Brosnin
was the best. Craig is too emotional. He needs to
smoke some weed and PS is the only US call
and number of the free phone. One can't seem to connect.
I don't know.

Speaker 11 (01:47:03):
Pierce Brosident was very good.

Speaker 5 (01:47:05):
I would like a book recommendation. I'd like to read it,
James Bond book. I'll do that for anyone. I guess, kay,
I will.

Speaker 4 (01:47:14):
Okay, you're leaving me, Mike. I'll be the only one
that has no interest, no knowledge I'm interested in the books,
and people say it's it really describes the character. And
I mean I kind of have a you know, preaking
not preconc but I have a notion of what James
Bond is based on the handful of movies that I
have seen.

Speaker 2 (01:47:32):
So who was the character Robert Ludlam's book, his famous
spy character.

Speaker 5 (01:47:40):
Oh, Jason Born read books? Uh did you? I think
I did read the first one. But I saw the movies.

Speaker 2 (01:47:47):
Yeah, well the books.

Speaker 8 (01:47:48):
Matt Damon taking somebody down with a rolldout magazine. That
was pretty fun.

Speaker 10 (01:47:52):
There's nothing wrong with some Matt Damon action movie. Paul
doesn't not interested, also doesn't like Born.

Speaker 4 (01:47:58):
I saw all of them. Yeah, you Identity Supremacy. I
watched The Boy. I told you it's not an anti
action movie thing. It's that's not accurate. It's a little
bit of an anti c G. I like superhero thing
that I'm not really Jameson. No, no, no, So I'm
just saying it has nothing to do with it.

Speaker 2 (01:48:15):
Transformers. No, tried to use a little, use a lot less.

Speaker 4 (01:48:23):
I have seen, I mean nowhere near like all of them,
like you, all of the Marvel movies, all the you know.
But I have seen probably double digits, and I don't
dislike them. They're just not my thing. I don't have
to rush out to go see them, you know. And
I've heard really good things about the most recent Superman thing.

(01:48:45):
Every everybody that has gone to see it says it
was pretty good, worth worth worth a watch. Politics rails
really short, huh wow, what politics?

Speaker 11 (01:48:58):
Just watch the movie.

Speaker 5 (01:48:58):
It's great.

Speaker 3 (01:49:00):
James Gunman in the Immigrant comments about Superman the fan
days and half.

Speaker 11 (01:49:04):
Well, it's funny because I didn't catch it. I know
what he's talking about, and I'm going to choose to
stay away from it.

Speaker 2 (01:49:10):
Because Randy writes in he's from Providence. What I was saying, Oh,
we couldn't hear him was May's growth should be about
limiting mistakes, mirroring the Tom Brady planned years ago where
he wasn't asked to do a lot, just not lose
games and learned to take what the defense gives him.

Speaker 4 (01:49:27):
And you guys made fun of me when I pointed
out that he led the league in touchdown passes in
year two.

Speaker 11 (01:49:31):
Well, he just didn't lose the game.

Speaker 5 (01:49:34):
He managed it.

Speaker 4 (01:49:34):
Right, Yeah, just managing games. Leading the league in touchdown pass.

Speaker 2 (01:49:37):
That was a long time ago, but Josh Allen had
a similar growth arc. Last year. There were only six
quarterbacks with a worse interception rate than May's three point
zero Richardson, Jamis, Winston, will Levis, Kirk, Cousins, Gardner, Minshew
and Mac Jones. Learning to limit mistakes is definitely something
he needs to.

Speaker 4 (01:49:55):
Work on the part, I agree one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (01:49:58):
Do you hear that Justin Field's got car it off to.

Speaker 4 (01:50:00):
Day He's okay, Oh he's okay to sorry, dislocated toe
not considered significant, okay.

Speaker 11 (01:50:06):
To which I say, the hysteriover was.

Speaker 4 (01:50:11):
You get carted off with it just located to that.

Speaker 10 (01:50:14):
Could have just been like their practice facility. It's like
it's a long while.

Speaker 4 (01:50:17):
Yeah, I'd have to see it to make a definitive
that was I.

Speaker 10 (01:50:21):
Think that was Twitter like way overreacting to something that
was ended up being.

Speaker 4 (01:50:26):
It sounds like people weren't really paying attention all of
a sudden the quarterback went down and they were like, oh,
he's getting carted off.

Speaker 11 (01:50:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:50:32):
I like the way of looking at that though for
me and not focusing on we need you to be superman,
you know, just the baby steps, clean it up, play consistent,
take the profit, and if we get in a situation
or a game where we need you to do something special, hopefully.

Speaker 4 (01:50:47):
You can do it right.

Speaker 5 (01:50:48):
You don't have to put the pressure on you to
be special. Just execute.

Speaker 4 (01:50:51):
Agree with everything.

Speaker 10 (01:50:52):
Mike just said, yeah, not to you know, compare him
to Mahomes, but like I feel like that that was
like sort of Mahomes' evolution more than Josh. Like now
Mahomes just does just enough to win the game. Like
he doesn't. He doesn't run around as much as he
used to, and he's not throwing bombs all the time
like he did it early on in his career. Now
he is a very very good game manager.

Speaker 4 (01:51:15):
So I would just say in terms of statistics, I
don't really care. I don't think Jayden Daniels the statistics
were eye popping last year and I'm just calling him
up right now. He completed sixty ninety percent of his throws,
which is a high. That's a pretty high completion rate
for a rookie. Thirty five hundred and sixty eight yards,
twenty five touchdowns, nine picks. His stats are pedestrian, I

(01:51:38):
mean one hundred passer rating nowadays is like twentieth, right,
but what did he do in the situations that Evan's
talking about. He was the reason they won. So yes,
he doesn't have to be superman for seventeen games for
four quarters, but he might have to be superman more

(01:51:59):
than a half dozen times when it counts. That was
Tom Brady. And by the way, that was Tom Brady
in two thousand and one when the game needed to
be won. He was near perfect almost always fourth quarter
in Denver notwithstanding. Right, Yeah, I mean he that's what
separates these guys. Jayden Daniels didn't just light up every

(01:52:22):
team he played last year. Now this doesn't also give
his rushing totals, but Drake May's gonna have good rushing
totals too. He had great rushing numbers last year. What
does he do when the game's on the line, and
can he keep those turn itovers down?

Speaker 2 (01:52:36):
How cool is he?

Speaker 10 (01:52:37):
In the pressure from Daniels last year or through the
game when he touched down to McLaurin and just like
put it right, I was just thinking, yeah, it is
like under like a game when he walk off type
of touchdown and just throw him right down the field
and then threw an absolute dime.

Speaker 4 (01:52:51):
But I mean even thinking early in the year, there
was a game against Cincinnati. I want to say it
was like a Monday night game or a Thursday night game,
and they just Cincinnati just kept scoring and getting within
a score. And the fourth quarter, you know those those
hard first downs that you have to crank out. Fourth down,
they go for already runs for it, third and long.
They throw a pass, deep pass to mcclorin on the side,

(01:53:13):
and they put the game away with a touchdown pass
beating the blitz they sent everybody at them.

Speaker 11 (01:53:16):
I think we're talking about the same point.

Speaker 4 (01:53:18):
Those the individual those are the individual moments where games
need to be won. How do you play that? Is Superman? Again,
the stats don't tell you he's Superman. Twenty five and nine.
That's a really good rookie year. It's a really good
rookie year. But it's not anything that I would say
that there's no way Drake May's going to throw go
twenty five and nine this year. Of course he could.

Speaker 10 (01:53:40):
I feel like a lot of that is like where
you're most confident about like Rabel, and I feel like
Rabel is going to put a much bigger emphasis on
leadership and clutch and knowing what the game needs when
it needs it, and like not so much about making
you know, highlight real plays that they're going to on

(01:54:00):
on Drake May's you know, melt when they show him
on Sports Center, but like more so like all these
other little things that we're talking about, and I feel
like Rabel is already sort of trying to hammer some
of those things even in practice.

Speaker 8 (01:54:14):
It's a great comment, paulse It's just it's this isn't
exactly what I mean, but it's like special is intangible almost,
and you can look at the guys who throw the
most touchdowns and you know, throw the most interceptions. But
really the trait that's going to define greatness in the
NFL the quarterback position is do you perform when the
game's on the line and win those games.

Speaker 4 (01:54:32):
Like, let's not make this out to be like if
we can get just a nice game manager who stays
out of trouble and avoids mistakes, that's not what we're
looking for. That's not enough. I don't I'm just making
for myself. That's not enough for me. They chock this
guy with a third overall pick. I don't want Trent
Dilfer I don't want to win a title despite the quarterback.
I want to win a title because of the quarterback.

(01:54:54):
And that will remain to be seening. Don't don't lose
the game in the first three quarters and be ready
to win the game in the four.

Speaker 10 (01:55:00):
And that's like the line that they have to balance
because like, in order to get the turnovers down and stuff,
he's going to have to be a little bit more conservative.
But you also don't want it to be a detriment
where it's it's Trent dover right, you know you wanted
to You want to still have that balance of him
being able to go out and make plays.

Speaker 5 (01:55:15):
And I love his aggressiveness going down the field.

Speaker 8 (01:55:17):
It's something that stood out to me last year in camp,
like he just hope they don't take that away from
you know, I'm a little I am too.

Speaker 2 (01:55:24):
Kai James writes, and I now you all might be
tired of the uniform conversations, but you're failing to highlight
one major issue with the Blueberries. I myself want the
Dynasty uniforms back, not only because the silver on them,
but because of the number, lettering font. When they change
the unis in twenty twenty, they changed the lettering and
numbers to a more straight looking font. Look at Edelman's

(01:55:48):
eleven from both you will notice they removed the bottom
stand under the number one. Likewise, the last name lettering
looks much more boring without the traditional Patriots font bordering.
I feel as if that is a sneaky underlying reason
why we don't like Kai in Kentucky's my peeps. I totally,

(01:56:09):
he calls himself Kentucky James.

Speaker 5 (01:56:10):
It's such a nerd thing too.

Speaker 4 (01:56:11):
But like I even just really liked the font that
they had for the name plates on the Dynasty uniforms.
And I can't explain why, but everything he said, I
get it. Congratulation.

Speaker 11 (01:56:20):
The blueberries just aren't good.

Speaker 10 (01:56:22):
It's okay, yeah, no, no, And I don't think I
can say that because I don't think they're gonna wear
the full blueberry anymore. I think they're gonna do blue
on top with silver pants, so it's I think we're
away from that. But the look of the one color
from it's just it just too much blue.

Speaker 5 (01:56:38):
Yeah, too much?

Speaker 2 (01:56:40):
All right, listen, that's gonna be it for this edition
of Patriots Unfiltered. We've got practice tomorrow, so we'll be
out there and you guys will have your wrap up
podcast right after that camp cast. Yep, so we'll have
that same thing on Saturday. There'll be another practice on Saturday,
which will be at players are Off on Sunday, and

(01:57:01):
then we'll be back at it on Monday with a
live show from practice first day of pads and we
will be there. So until then, everybody, have a good
weekend and as far as this show, we'll see him Monday.

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