Patriots Unfiltered 7/28: Live from Day 5 of Training Camp, First Day in Pads

Tune-in as the PU crew broadcast live from Day 5 of Training Camp as the Patriots hold their first full padded practice. Plus, our general takeaways from the first 5 days of camp.

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Speaker 4 (00:25):
We are high above the practice fields here at training
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the first day of pads today. That's always a kind
of a milestone day in training camp. The first day,
Just like I said that, they put full pads on

(00:47):
and the physicality begins. So it's Mike Dussault, It's Paul Perillo,
it's a Evan Lazar, myself, Fred Kirsch, Matt Morel in
the booth, and a cast of thousands in the background
making this possible.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
We'll be here for as long as they have.

Speaker 4 (01:02):
Us, covering practice and talking about what we see. So, guys,
first day of pads, how is that different from everything
else we've seen so far?

Speaker 5 (01:15):
Physicality, clearly is is the first part of it.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
And listening to the players late last week, it sounded
like they're all anxious to get out there and actually
maybe hit a little bit. Key on White especially, seems
like he's looking forward today, hoping the offense runs a
lot on him, you know, seeing the practice plan. Get
ready going to start in the high red zone and
work your way right down onto the goal line there
at the end. So it should be a pretty physical practice,

(01:37):
a lot of hitting, a lot of you know, the
snap of the pads and the helmets as we like
to hear.

Speaker 4 (01:41):
So last week we had Mike Onwenu on Patriots Unfiltered
and he was talking about, you know, when you're an
offensive lineman early in camp, you're not wearing pads, there's
nothing to grab on to. They know our cadence, so
it's not surprising that maybe the defensive lineman had a
little bit of advantage.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
No excuses today.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
That right, right, No, No, we'll see some one on
ones as well, which are always fun and maybe not
real football for you know, the poor defensive backs are
going to be stuck.

Speaker 5 (02:10):
On an island.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
But certainly the defensive line offensive line, those one on
one pass rush drills interested to see, you know a
little bit of the younger pass rushers. I'd say Evan
and I were talking last week after Saturday's practiced about
you know, Braydon Swinson as a guy that you know,
we've kind of wondered if he might be able to
carve oute a role so far kind of quiet. Haven't
seen a lot from him, but you know, nothing to
take away from the other guys who have been playing

(02:32):
on the edge. I think Harold Landry Keyon White, you know,
Chase on those guys have been really active. So that'll
be the exciting position groups to watch. Certainly Will Campbell today,
will get a look at him with Pats on it
and how he holds up.

Speaker 4 (02:42):
So you're your two big guys going into camp was
Swinson and Pogan.

Speaker 5 (02:46):
You're doing you're not doing too well? No, and you
big up Jalen Polk. They'll be great to you know,
see if he's able to get out here.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
Not great that he missed the first four days of
practice trying to bounce back from that rookie season.

Speaker 5 (02:56):
And it's a jam packed wide receiver room.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
So the sooner he gets back to or his chances
are going to be to make this team.

Speaker 6 (03:02):
Yeah, it'd be interesting to see if we get any
the injured guys back today. You know, you mentioned Polk,
but you know, you have the first off day on Sunday,
and you know sometimes after an off day you get
guys coming off lists and whatnot. So it'll be interesting
to see if any of those veterans are able to
make it back.

Speaker 7 (03:18):
Yep, yeah, looking at you know, Mac Collins, even a
Vederian Lowe, Austin Hooper to another guy that you'd like
to see back here, not that he needs to catch
up on much, but just to have him out there.
And you know, I'll be the offensive line guy for
for the next week and a half with all the
pads on and everything. And look, I just will continue
to say to me that is the tipping point of

(03:41):
the season is whether or not they can get this
offensive line up and running. And Doug Maroon and Josh
McDaniels and Mike Rabel and the entire staff. Can they
get this line even just to average. If they can
do that, then I think the rest of the team
is going to be fine and they'll they'll find their
way and they'll be able to win some games. But
this offensive line line, can they block anybody up front?

(04:01):
Is going to make or break the season for the Patriots.

Speaker 4 (04:04):
And it really is critical. It's hard to judge the offense.
If the offensive line isn't doing his part, you just
can't execute correctly.

Speaker 7 (04:14):
Yeah, there's so much that goes into it, you know. Obviously,
the biggest thing to me is being able to have
some semblance of a run game. And when you have
a run game, it allows you to then play action
off the run game. It allows you to move the
pocket with Drake May you can scheme things that are
a little bit longer developing if you trust your offensive
line and feel like you can hold up with the

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blocking and give Drake a chance back there For some
of those more disguised or scheme type of plays, when
you don't have an offensive line that can block, you
really have to focus on getting the ball out as
quickly as possible. And that's really all you can do
is try to get the football out as quickly out
of his hand as quickly as possible. So when you
have a line, you're able to do a whole lot

(04:54):
more Schematically.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
I'm just going to say we've spent so much time
talking about the tackle position the last couple years.

Speaker 5 (04:59):
Of course, we'll Campbell fourth overall pick.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
Morgan Moses free agent signed even Marcus Bryant, who they
drafted has been brought in. But you know, I'm really
looking at the center and the left guard position now
a little closer. We start with Brad Berry. He's been
getting a lot of the lead off us, but Jared
Wilson's been getting in there pretty quick. He got some
expanded reps on Saturday, which shows that there is some
maybe uncertainty at the center position, and Cole Strange has

(05:22):
been the first guy at the left guard.

Speaker 5 (05:24):
They have signed Wes Schweitzer in the offseason.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
He you know, retired, so they had wanted maybe a
little bit more depth to consider along there. Tyree's Robinson,
a name that we saw a little bit more of
in the spring. He's been a little bit buried, you know.
Leyden Robinson some player that we thought had some promise.
We haven't seen much of him either yet. So for
as much attention as we put on the tackle position,
and rightly so it might even be now that the

(05:47):
biggest questions are at center and left guard.

Speaker 7 (05:49):
Right, it's so much easier when you have that interior too,
because the tackles then then you can just do the
drive buys right, just push them around the corner and
push them past the quarterback and allow the quarterback to
just step up in the pocket. And if you have
that clean interior of the pocket and he can step up,
then it just makes your tackles jobs a whole lot
easier too, So it all kind of goes together. But

(06:09):
even looking at you know, you mentioned Ladon Robinson. Kden
Wallace is basically exclusively repped at guard yep in this
camp so far, so they don't really doesn't look like
they view him this This staff use him as a tackle.
So does he get in on the left guard competition?
And just Jared Wilson, is he had left guard? Is
he at center? You know, maybe they think their best
interior line is with him and Brad Berry both out there,

(06:32):
and you have Bradberry at center.

Speaker 4 (06:33):
Yeah, you mentioned Wilson, like we've seen him at guard
as well as center, so it's clear they're looking to
see can we get this guy in there?

Speaker 5 (06:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (06:42):
Well, and he also talked about after practice on Saturday,
just you know, anytime you play offensive line, if you
play one of the interior spots, you need to be
able to play all three of those spots. Yeah, that's
just comes with the territory. He talked about doing some
training in the off season at guard specifically, so I
would expect him to be a candidate to play any

(07:03):
of those three spots.

Speaker 8 (07:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
Also to just a housekeeping bit, seems like the cold
Strange to Center experiment is over.

Speaker 5 (07:09):
We haven't really seen him there. He worked in.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
There a little bit last year, and we thought maybe
this offseason that he'd be in the mix, not competition.

Speaker 5 (07:15):
So far it doesn't seem like he does.

Speaker 4 (07:17):
That mean he has left guard nailed down? I mean, yeah,
left guard.

Speaker 5 (07:21):
That's exclusively where we've seen him, and.

Speaker 7 (07:24):
He's got the inside track. Yeah, I don't know if
he hasn't. He's the current leader in the clubhouse in
that competition, and I think it's his job to lose.

Speaker 9 (07:33):
But now here.

Speaker 7 (07:34):
Comes the real stuff, right, you know, here comes the
real evaluation period. And like you said earlier, Fred Bradbury
and Wilson are both out there. Like Wilson, it seems
like they want to get him involved. So is your
best line from just an upside or a ceiling perspective? Campbell, Wilson,
Bradbury on when New Moses and then all that's your
best five and with Jared Wilson playing left guard. I

(07:56):
could see that on paper being the best group that
they have, and maybe that means cold, strange and odd
man out there.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (08:03):
All right, So even though it's the first day of pads,
that doesn't mean they'll be one hundred percent hitting at
least tackling. They'll probably not be bringing guys down to
the ground at this point, so it'll be I guess
they call it some some programs they call it fudding.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
Yes, you know, yeah, well.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
There should be some thunding, like I said, And they're
gonna start out in their first eleven on eleven period
up on the like thirty five high red zone and
then they're gonna work their way right down in the
three yard line for those final few reps. So the
end of today we'll wrap up with some goal line reps.
Those are always good competition. Who's going to win the day?
You know, they'll probably be one or two reps who
are all right, this is it, they're down.

Speaker 5 (08:41):
Who's going to make it. So it's not only just
the pads.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
I think this brings out the competitiveness overall and a
lot of these guys, and like Mike Rabel said, last week.
There's always a player or two that, once the pads
come on, their contact balance their aggressiveness, it allows them
maybe to show up a little bit more than they
might have in these early.

Speaker 5 (08:57):
Days when it's so much on the mental part of
the game.

Speaker 7 (08:59):
Yep, I'm curious with those sorry, with those low red
zone stuff, how much has Drake involved running in those periods,
because I think there's a chance in that he is
and playing eleven on eleven down there and using him
on the goal line on zone reads or keepers or
whatever the case may be, could be a real advantage
for them, you know, in terms of punching the ball

(09:21):
in once they get down there. So I'd like to
see him keep it once or twice and watch him
go around the edge.

Speaker 9 (09:27):
But we'll see how much do they do that right
out of the gate, Which just me just.

Speaker 5 (09:30):
To piggyback off that.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
Because Drake's mobility is such a talking point for us,
we talk a lot about it, but you know, people say, hey,
we want Josh McDaniels with a mobile quarterback, and I
think Evan just nailed it. That's where you want to
see Drake used. It's less chance he's going to take
a big hit. We're not talking in the middle of
the field the standard offense. Let's you know, try to
run that kind of stuff. Let's get right into, you know,
in the red zone where he can make le.

Speaker 4 (09:52):
Is stepping to the podium in a few seconds. So
when he does, we're going to go to him live
so you can hear what he has to say.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
He said he's excited about the first day of pads.

Speaker 5 (10:03):
Sure on't a player, right, I'm sure this is is fair?
How what they got to do pretty quick? Though? Back
in the old day, right like by Saturday, I think
was usually like.

Speaker 9 (10:10):
The period and there used to be in pats the
first day.

Speaker 6 (10:13):
Yeah, back back in my day, they're in pads in
May in the first day of training camp was full
pat is.

Speaker 7 (10:19):
Mike Rabel, you were a rookie with the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Speaker 8 (10:25):
I believe in your first padded practice you might have
gotten into a fight.

Speaker 5 (10:31):
Should I assume that you don't want your rookies doing that.

Speaker 8 (10:34):
I don't want any of us doing that. It's a
long time ago, Karen. Can you give a little details, No, Okay,
you're going to follow up.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
Have the players been told that they.

Speaker 8 (10:47):
Of course, I mean we don't.

Speaker 10 (10:49):
I mean we want to be able to practice the
same way we have to play, which is physical and
within the rules. And I have a great play demeanor,
finished through the whistle and all those things. And you
know if you throw a punch or you get kicked
out of the game, which is going to cross the team.
So I don't anticipate any of that. I want us
to celebrate with our team and with the defensive unit,

(11:10):
celebrate with each other. Offensive unit, get excited and celebrate
with each other. Now get into the taunting and the
things that we would you know that we can't have
during the game.

Speaker 7 (11:21):
Did you at least win?

Speaker 1 (11:22):
I think I did.

Speaker 8 (11:25):
It's it's a good story about.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
Don't use the fight.

Speaker 8 (11:30):
But the about a veteran player.

Speaker 10 (11:33):
Greg Lloyd was a very dominant player, imposing figure. And
I got drafted in April and he didn't say a
word to me. Throw OTAs and I'm on the defense,
mind you, So I didn't say a word to me.

Speaker 8 (11:48):
The entire offseason. We go to training camp.

Speaker 10 (11:52):
You know, there's a fight with me and a tight
end and I'm exhausted.

Speaker 8 (11:57):
After practice and I see this like shadow come over me.
I'm sitting in the locker room and he's like in
his deep.

Speaker 10 (12:03):
Voice and he's like, yeah, the next time you want
to come up underneath.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
The face mask.

Speaker 8 (12:06):
And I was like, you just now are going to
talk to me. He's like, yeah, I just wanted to
make sure you weren't like a punk and then then
I would talk to you.

Speaker 10 (12:13):
So it's a good example of just a veteran making
sure that, you know, rookies kind of earned their stripes.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
I guess a little bit.

Speaker 7 (12:19):
But you felt with the foundation field, you can't so
far to get to the point of times.

Speaker 10 (12:25):
Yeah, I think so, you know this will be you know,
truthfold will be down in the red zone. We'll be
getting a lot of work in the red zone. Things
happen a lot quicker down there. Uh, tighter windows, just
the speed of everything.

Speaker 8 (12:37):
It could just get sped up.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
And so that'll.

Speaker 10 (12:40):
Be good for us to move on to that situation
as well as to see how we you know, start
to practice in pads and our pad level, our fundamentals,
our hands and those types of things.

Speaker 11 (12:51):
Mike, as you share that story and talk about the
guy not talking to you for a couple of months
while you're together, do you feel like it's different in
the NFL or with this specific team.

Speaker 10 (12:59):
Now think that that was a Greg that was a
Greg Lloyd type of thing. I mean, I think that's
that was certainly his personality. I think that there's you know,
you're always trying to you know, prove yourself to to
your teammates, especially as.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
A young player.

Speaker 10 (13:15):
And Greg probably took it a little to to to extreme.

Speaker 12 (13:19):
Right after all these OTAs in the first four days
without pad your your excitement level today maybe on a
scale from one to ten.

Speaker 10 (13:27):
I just think coming off of a day off, I
think this is just another step and in our program.
So I try to come out here with the same
excitement and give him everything I got and and help them.
So this is just another important step throughout the process
of preparation.

Speaker 8 (13:47):
Go ahead, don't you what's it going to come to.

Speaker 6 (13:50):
Williams back out there with the team defense?

Speaker 10 (13:53):
Well, you know, he has an energy to him, There's
there's you know, the players are you know, they spawn
well to him. And when he you know, he has
his clips that he shows them and the things that
he thinks are important as a coordinator. You know, I
think that they're believing in what we want to do
in our style of play, and so just keep moving ahead.

(14:16):
And but it's it's great to have him back, just
his personality and demeanor.

Speaker 9 (14:19):
Mike, if you were in our shoes, what would you think,
you'd say? You know, you guys should really watch this.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
You've been doing this for a long time. You know
how long?

Speaker 8 (14:27):
I mean if I was the part of the media. Yeah,
if you would, like say, you don't think there's ever
a scenario where that would happen.

Speaker 9 (14:32):
Oh, that's absolutely a matter of time.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
He already did stuff with Felger fifteen years ago.

Speaker 13 (14:37):
As soon as I'm done with this, I'm gonna be
in the witness protection point and you want to you
will never find me. All right, Well, if you decide
you would help us, I mean I just think that
how maybe some of these uh.

Speaker 8 (14:49):
You know, to me, it's it's it's critical at a
lot of scrimmage, right.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
Just being able.

Speaker 10 (14:53):
To make contact.

Speaker 8 (14:55):
There's going to be a stealmate.

Speaker 10 (14:56):
There's two professional players lined up across from me each other,
who can re engage, who can reset their feet, maybe
get a little extra movement. You know, how do we
play out? Do we stand our feet? Can we practice
like this and stand our feet. We got a bunch
of guys falling on the ground. I'd rather not see that.
I just don't think that that good teams end up

(15:19):
practicing that way. And again, just the urgency in which
we move around practice that there's we're in and out
of the huddle, the players are running on and off
the field. Those are all things that I think are critical.
I think that translates to the field, to the game.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
Excuse me right where you know?

Speaker 10 (15:35):
You don't you're not standing ten yards behind the ball,
You're coming from the sideline, and we're communicating the personnel
and the quarterback has to echo that.

Speaker 8 (15:45):
Those are the types of things right now that we're
trying to build up.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
The list to be having a pretty strong camp.

Speaker 5 (15:51):
So what have you seen from him when you have
you learned about him with this offseason?

Speaker 8 (15:54):
Right?

Speaker 10 (15:55):
Great energy, great demeanor, very coachable, one of our offseason
award winners. So we obviously worked extremely hard.

Speaker 5 (16:02):
Was what was.

Speaker 10 (16:04):
Here every day? Uh, ready to learn, ready to you know,
earn a role? And I love being around Pop. He's
got a great, great energy and has got a lot
of respect from everybody around here.

Speaker 9 (16:17):
Some one on one that passors result a little bit
the other day.

Speaker 4 (16:19):
How much of that period is for experimentation with new
moves or techniques versus the evaluation where guys are really
obviously trying to win every rep.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
Yeah, I.

Speaker 8 (16:31):
Watch it a little bit.

Speaker 10 (16:31):
I do think that that's probably a great question. One
of the players I coached in Houston, Whitney Merciless. You know,
we went through some developmental things with him. He was
a very talented player. One thing I always respected about
Whitney was his willingness to try new moves during practice,
and you know, some of them wouldn't work, some of.

Speaker 8 (16:50):
Them were he needed to see at full speed.

Speaker 10 (16:53):
For him to say, you know, that's not something that
I'm going to commit a lot of time to. And
then others that you know, worked, and then he would
commit time to. So that's exactly why you do practice,
is so that you can, you know, sometimes figure out
what doesn't work, and you can eliminate some things and
you can move on.

Speaker 8 (17:08):
Especially as a pass rusher.

Speaker 10 (17:09):
Right, you're trying to have a couple of different pitches,
not too many, but I certainly need some a fastball
and some off speed pitches and some counters. So this
is why we practice is to be able to go
out there and do that. And I understand, you know
a lot of those things, and you know when you
get to the team periods and you get to the
games and you can see how guys pass rush. But

(17:30):
you know, I think that's obviously a good thing. The
offensive linemen are going to work on different techniques and
things like that, so they're not doing the same thing
every single snap.

Speaker 12 (17:41):
Displayed a real level of consistency over the course it
was three four years here in New England. What is
it from your standpoint that that's allowed him to have
that level of consistence.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
Yeah, very very.

Speaker 10 (17:52):
Very comfortable player. I would very similar to Kevin Byron.
And you know, I'm not big on comparisons and just
talking about personalities, right, Like, Kevin was really confident and comfortable.

Speaker 8 (18:04):
He never looked stressed.

Speaker 10 (18:06):
And you would look and see some younger players maybe
at the same position, and they would, I mean they'd be.

Speaker 8 (18:11):
Sweating before the players start.

Speaker 10 (18:12):
They were making checks and everything else and running and
Kevin just always had a very calm, confident demeanor and
was an excellent player for us. And I feel the
same about Hunter. I think that he's anything that you
ask him to do. It comes very easy, and he's
very instinctive. Uh, and he's got a good feel for
the game. So yeah, that's that's all. Those are all positives,

(18:36):
and I think that that leads to his consistency.

Speaker 14 (18:39):
Might get back to those one on one situations with
the guys on the line.

Speaker 8 (18:44):
What are you hoping to see from from Will Campbell today?
What you know, what would you need to see to
look back on the table and we'd.

Speaker 10 (18:49):
Go for every one of our offensive linemen is that
we're getting into the line of scrimmage when we're running it,
we're standing inside out when we throw it. You know,
it's going to be the same for every offensive lineman
that we have. You asked me a question about Mill Williams.
I'm going to tell you the same thing for every
defensive lineman. You know, we're going to coach.

Speaker 8 (19:07):
Them all the same.

Speaker 10 (19:10):
And continue to do what we've been doing here the
first couple of days, Mike.

Speaker 12 (19:13):
When we talked to the guys to the offense here,
players and coaches, very few of them have experience in
Josh McDaniels playing for him and his offense. What's that
like having kind of a whole team learning the offense
and system together.

Speaker 10 (19:26):
Lost people to stay engaged, and there's modifications that we
make and you know we'll do that defensively and offensively.
It put something in and then and then you always
have the ability to adjust it. And you know, Josh's
working well and they're all working well together offensively about
how we want to get things done. Yeah, and that's
I think when when something's new, you put a little

(19:48):
bit more time into it just so that you can
kind of get the details and you don't maybe take
things for granted.

Speaker 8 (19:53):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
All right. That's Mike Rabel up at the podium.

Speaker 4 (20:00):
Was going to talk about his fight when he was
a rookie, but he talked a little bit about it
at least the Greg Lloyd put, you know, shocker that
Mike Vrabel kind of told fight his woki here.

Speaker 6 (20:10):
So that's a story that he told on our show
on Patriots All Access, you know, with his sit down
interview with Scott Zolac that aired on Friday night, And yeah,
he was it was out of nowhere.

Speaker 9 (20:22):
He just sort of.

Speaker 6 (20:22):
Talked about getting to a little scrap with a one
of the tight ends and that was what led Greg
Lloyd to finally sort of say, Okay, this guy's worth
investing in, right, and he started to offer some tips
to Mike come.

Speaker 4 (20:36):
Up under the You know, so, Greg, I'm not surprised, like,
actually hurt your teammate sounds like an under a Tippett
story to me.

Speaker 5 (20:43):
That's that's something Tip would do.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
Well.

Speaker 4 (20:46):
Tip would do a like sweep. The guy would be
down on the ground in like two seconds. Yeah, okay,
anything else you gleaned out of that.

Speaker 7 (20:55):
Just a little bit about Pop Douglas. I know that
those off season war we tend to hand out quite
a few of those sometimes, but he's been somebody that
you know the question I think is Mark Daniels who
asked the question. He has definitely stood out the first
four days of practice, and it's not surprising to hear
that he was an active participating in the off season

(21:15):
because he's having a great start to camp. So just
hearing that and kind of, you know, cementing that the
team is also pretty pleased with where Pop Douglas is,
I think is good to hear.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
Yeah, he is.

Speaker 4 (21:29):
I would say of all the receivers not named Diggs, yeah,
he stood out the most.

Speaker 6 (21:35):
He's been the best receiver period, including digs. Yeah, I
agree with everything Evan just said. We talked about it
on our podcast after practice on Saturday. I think he's
been active in every practice, not just with a little
shallow crosses like add or around the line of scrimmage.
He's found some soft spots and zones. I think that
particular part of it is important for Josh McDaniels because

(21:55):
one of the things that we always hear about is
how slot receiver friendly it is with.

Speaker 9 (21:59):
Josh mc daniels.

Speaker 6 (22:01):
And I think what Douglas has shown a little bit,
probably as a result of his offseason work, is a
better understanding at the start of camp of the McDaniels
offense than well what I think a lot.

Speaker 4 (22:12):
Of other people will weap it now he's been able,
Now he's going to be able to use.

Speaker 6 (22:17):
Is That's what I get for trying to give a
serious piece of analysis.

Speaker 7 (22:22):
I remember last year Alex van Pelt talking about the
fact that his offense really didn't feature the slot and
that when they had Pop Douglas and he was like, well,
we got to find a way, you know, to morph
this offense him.

Speaker 9 (22:35):
Well, this offense with Josh McDaniels.

Speaker 7 (22:37):
We know features the slot and we know he's going
to be a big part of it. So the fact
that he's picking up some of the minutias that Paul
was talking about, I think it is a really good sign.
I mean, even the touchdown that he caught from Drake
on Saturday, the big play at camp so far. Having
those instincts to play playground football and take off deep
and get yourself open behind the defense there and finish

(22:57):
that play is also a good sign, just between the
chemistry between those two guys, So that all good stuff.

Speaker 4 (23:03):
I know it's way too early to figure this out,
but let's just say that Douglas is able to establish
himself as a slot receiver of this team. How does
that affect Diggs? Because a lot of lately, a lot
of his production has come underneath it hasn't, you know,
It's been a shorter pass. So what does that do
to the spacing and what you do with Diggs if

(23:26):
now you do have a true slot receiver.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
I just think Diggs is still your every down, go
to guy, regardless situation. And I think Pop will benefit
from having a guy like Diggs, and maybe that's what
we're seeing a little bit of him causing the defense.

Speaker 5 (23:42):
To need to put a little bit more attention on
that player.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
Still, I think Pop is a really dynamic, talented player,
especially in man coverage, So you got to feel really
good about if he does just come off the bench
for third downs when you got to have it those
kind of moments to.

Speaker 5 (23:54):
Give you a little bit of a boost.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
But you know, it's really primarily been Booty, Digs and
and Pop in the slot, and that's been the primari
top three. And they're probably going to play a lot
of eleven personnel, especially with Louston Hooper out that affects
a little bit right now.

Speaker 5 (24:08):
Of how they use their packages.

Speaker 3 (24:10):
So you might be getting a little bit of an
outside view of popped up this right now.

Speaker 7 (24:14):
Yeah, I really like the idea of those two guys together,
honestly because you know, not to get in in the alphabet,
but like if Digs is your Z right and he's
sort of your move piece and he's the guy that's
you know, off the line of scrimmage and moving around
and then Pops in the slot, like you kind of
have a first and second level of your of your
passing game there where you know, sometimes it might be
Pop going to the second level and digs going underneath,

(24:36):
and then it'll be digs going deeper and Pop going underneath,
and similar to maybe what we saw with like Edelman
and Amondola right like number one, something like that, you know,
and I think that that actually they can play off
of each other really well. The question that I would
have is who's going to be the base receivers because
Pop is not going to play in like heavier packages

(24:56):
on first down and run situations soon twelve personnel twenty
one one personnel, So that's going to be Booty or
it's going to be a Javon Baker maybe, or it's
going to be a.

Speaker 9 (25:06):
Matt Collins, you know, someone like that.

Speaker 7 (25:08):
It's not going to be Pop because Pop's really going
to be your third receiver, your slot in those eleven
personnel sets.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
So something move for deuce.

Speaker 4 (25:15):
Because we saw Jalen Pope coming on the field with
a helmet in pads.

Speaker 6 (25:19):
Yeah, I also saw Josh Minkin's obviously not as high
profile a player, but he was on NFI.

Speaker 9 (25:25):
He's in uniform as well.

Speaker 6 (25:27):
But yeah, I think sometimes after an early off day,
you see some guys come back so good to see.
You know, still time didn't miss that much of practice,
so there's still time.

Speaker 9 (25:38):
For a polk to play. Case they still hope, Deuce,
still hope.

Speaker 4 (25:41):
And you probably saw a helicopter taking off of the background.
I would assume that's the owner or one of the owners.

Speaker 5 (25:47):
It wasn't mine.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
No, I'm surprised he's leaving drop off.

Speaker 5 (25:53):
Maybe just to drop off.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
Could could have been just dropping them off.

Speaker 15 (25:56):
Yeah, yeah, okay, plex Yeah, so if Pop is a
slot afton Chishm, is he uh relegated to the practice squad?

Speaker 9 (26:08):
If that's the.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
Case, Yeah, you know, it's it's funny you say that, right,
I mean, we talk about there's a lot of guys
in the depth chart. I just Watchingthton Chisholm, and I
haven't seen him. You know, he hasn't done a lot
obviously with the top offense at all, but he just
moves really well, and I think that's what's intriguing to
me about him. I don't know if that's enough to
truly tell you that this guy could could possibly play
in the league. But with the logjam at wide receiver,

(26:30):
it's really hard to see how he can get in
there and get opportunities. But when I just watch him
two drills, he just runs like he's got a good
tight stride.

Speaker 5 (26:39):
He's quick. You can tell he understands, you know, how
to get open. So I we'll see.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
I know it might take an injury for him to
get an opportunity, but I like the physical still set
with that guy.

Speaker 4 (26:48):
Yeah, he's definitely efficient out there. There's not a lot
of wasted motion.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
He's uh, he's not all over the place.

Speaker 4 (26:55):
Yeah, yep, good route runner, Yeah is he is?

Speaker 7 (26:58):
He more like Edelman developmental track where he's sitting behind
a more veteran player and maybe it's popping this instance.
And so he's here, but it takes him, well a
couple of years or an injury or something like that
to get on the field.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
Well check me on this.

Speaker 4 (27:15):
But when Edelman got here his first year, there wasn't
a lot of talk a lot there wasn't a lot
of talk about, oh look at Edelman, you know, because
Welker was here and and you know, the focus was
on the established wide receivers.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
But would you agree.

Speaker 6 (27:31):
In the preseason, I think had a very slow start
to his first training camp. He was mishandling a lot
of punts and looked like he was having a hard
time playing a little bit too fast, needed to sort
of settle down. But Evan's right. On the first preseason game,
he made a huge splash and yeah, he never stopped. Yeah,
I think well.

Speaker 4 (27:52):
In terms of receiver, though, it was a couple of
years before they said, okay, we got to start seeing
if he could beat out Welker.

Speaker 9 (28:00):
Wasn't even wasn't even on barfase right like Danny A.

Speaker 7 (28:03):
Mendola was kind of signed to really do it, and
an Edelman just unperformed a Mendola. But that I could
see that for Chisholm too, you know, whether it's an
injury or something like that that he's around, but he's
not there and he's kind of in that pipeline and
it's might take him a year or two to actually
start to get opportunities in games.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
Does Chisholm contribute to special teams?

Speaker 7 (28:26):
He can return punts. I don't know if he's as
straight line fast as Edelman was. Certainly didn't run as
fast as Edelman in the forty but that's not everything.
But he's quicker, you know, not the quicker than Edelman,
but he's quicker, not fast, and he's got a.

Speaker 9 (28:42):
Nice little jump cut to his game after the catch.
But he doesn't pull away from a lot of guys.

Speaker 4 (28:47):
Because you know, that's the way to establish yourself is
contribute on special teams.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
If it's somebody at that level for sure.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
That's I mean, that's why I said, it's just hard
to get opportunities right now. Right now, if you're Jalen
Polk or Avon Baker or even Kendrick Bourne to an extent,
you're you know, making the most out of every opportunity
you get because they're somewhat limited at this point. So
Kendrick Bourne is an interesting guy to me. Is he
you know, does he have a fit? Josh has worked
with him before, talked about twenty one. He had a

(29:15):
good season, He was on pace for a really good
season a couple of seasons ago before he got hurt
last year coming back but still had some plays.

Speaker 5 (29:23):
So he still see.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
I think he's looked faster.

Speaker 5 (29:26):
Yeah, I mean, it's it's just born.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
I think he's looked faster.

Speaker 6 (29:31):
I think I think Bourn's quick. I think he's fast.
I think he's I would keep him. I mean, if
if we're talking I'm trying really hard not to do this.
If we're talking Efton Chisholm or Kendrick Bourne, I don't
really think that we're talking about the same thing.

Speaker 5 (29:46):
Yeah, I think, well the same college.

Speaker 6 (29:48):
You know, if you want to move on because you
think Borne is sort of not part of the long term,
then I'm fine with that.

Speaker 9 (29:53):
But they're not in the same class.

Speaker 7 (29:56):
Yeah, I'm glad that dude's mentioned Javon Baker because, like,
I feel his path to the roster is actually a
lot easier than like a Jalen Polks because they just
don't have a ton of outside guys, like they have
a ton of slots or zas or inside receivers. If
you're Jalen Polk, you're competing with Diggs, you're competing with Pop,
You're competing with Bourne, maybe even like Kyle Williams a

(30:17):
little bit, Like there's just a lot of that type,
that body type, whereas like Javon Baker is really only
competing with Kishon Boody.

Speaker 9 (30:25):
That's really it.

Speaker 7 (30:26):
And you know, obviously Matt Collins will be here. But
I don't think that they're taking reps away from younger
more like higher upside players for Mac Collins. So that's
the big thing to me is with it's the types
of receivers and like Javon Baker, if he can play
better than Kaishan Boody, then he could maybe make this team.

Speaker 9 (30:45):
Like I was talking to Mike a little bit on Saturday.

Speaker 6 (30:48):
We didn't mention it on the podcast, and not that
it was like this earth shattering great practice, but I
thought Baker showed up for the first.

Speaker 9 (30:54):
Time on Saturday. We hadn't really seen much of him.

Speaker 6 (30:56):
At all the first three days. I didn't think you
got targeted.

Speaker 9 (31:00):
If at all.

Speaker 6 (31:01):
But he made a couple of catches on Saturday, one
on a deep ball, one on a nice thought. He
ran a great route on a third down on an
out route to the far sideline. Looked very you know
my thing, you know, very Patriots like play execution was there,
and we haven't seen a lot of those plays with
ja Von Bakers. So yeah, maybe, you know, a little
bit of a slow start, Maybe he's coming on. We'll

(31:21):
see if this is something bigger to build on, or
if he's still in the background.

Speaker 4 (31:25):
If you're wondering why you're looking at us and not
the field, there's only certain periods we're allowed to film.
The practice has broken up into periods, and I believe
today we're allowed to film periods three through six, So
I think they're on period one or two right now.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (31:40):
Yeah, sort of they set up what they're going to
be doing at practice and they don't want that necessarily
on film.

Speaker 5 (31:46):
Yeah, anything else.

Speaker 3 (31:47):
Say, I've been chipping away at the tenants here so far,
I haven't really caught anything, any absences of note just yet, so.

Speaker 6 (31:54):
I am not really even closet.

Speaker 9 (31:59):
I can't really see.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
You can't see like half the field, but you see,
I did catch more than Moses as well as Ramondre Stevenson,
who fed We pointed out on the on the post
game sorry the post practice camp cast. Never really seen
two guys come out to practice midway through kind of
do their own little warm up and then just hop
right into team drills, which is what Moses and Stevenson
did on Saturday.

Speaker 6 (32:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (32:18):
I was hoping that somebody's gonna ask Verable about that,
not till I put them on the spot. But just
we don't know, like what, like, what what's the plan
there and what's the thought process there? Because I've never
seen that uh, two players that didn't stretched and do anything.

Speaker 9 (32:32):
And then just middle of the practice they both showed up.

Speaker 7 (32:35):
They did a little warm up, the two of them,
or Mare and Morgan Moses. The next thing I know,
I look up and they're in eleven on eleven Right.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
Is Remondre dealing with anything?

Speaker 9 (32:43):
Not that we know of.

Speaker 3 (32:44):
But I mean, I don't think it's too much of
a stretch to look at those two players though, and say,
these are guys that you want to limit the amount of.

Speaker 4 (32:50):
I'm just ware if they had like a little extra
it's possible training stuff downstairs. And then they came up
and kind of eased them themselves back ask questions.

Speaker 5 (33:01):
Definitely possible.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
I mean Moses has been on a little bit of
his own plan anyway, just with rotations and yeah, but
for the most part, every time there's a first team
rep and the drill starts off, he's in there right right, Yeah,
And I think we're.

Speaker 4 (33:13):
Gonna see that throughout camp with him. You know, he's
thirty four. They want to preserve him. They don't want him,
you know, wearing out in the summer. They want him
ready for September.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
So that's especially Matt Max Crosby waiting on September seventh
or whatever it is.

Speaker 7 (33:30):
My eyes on Morgan Moses a little bit though, because
I do think just in general, it's just been a
little bit of a slower start to camp from him.

Speaker 9 (33:37):
He hasn't really participated fully.

Speaker 7 (33:39):
And look, we all penciled him in like as this
guy's going to be our right tackle.

Speaker 9 (33:44):
No questions asked, and I still feel that way. But
he is thirty four. You know, he did come off
knee injury last year. They would it'd be nice to see.

Speaker 7 (33:53):
Some reps from him and pads and see how what
he looks like at this point, because it hasn't always
been perfect.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
And when it's not him, it's been Trey Jacobs right.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
Yes, yeah, and a little sprinkling of you know, Marcus
Bryant at left tackle as well.

Speaker 5 (34:09):
Uh, you know, just getting some of those young guys reps.
I haven't spotted at Carlton Davis yet, but yet I
do not have him checked off yet, so he's been
in and out.

Speaker 9 (34:17):
But I have a lot of guys that don't have
checked off.

Speaker 6 (34:19):
But I'm sure here, especially offensive linemen, they're way down
that when they come out, they always come up the
other side, and it's just way out of my range.

Speaker 5 (34:28):
I'm too old ready at the back.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
I got you binoculars.

Speaker 9 (34:31):
You wouldn't you get me.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
I gave you a pair of binoculars.

Speaker 4 (34:35):
He got me binoculars I gave Did I not give
you binoculars.

Speaker 9 (34:40):
Not that I'm aware of.

Speaker 5 (34:41):
Honestly, I thought it was last year you got some
old ones.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
Yeah, I gave you my binoculars.

Speaker 6 (34:47):
You know, you gave it to me in like two
thousand and three. I remember, I tell you what the
score was in the game that he gave it to me.

Speaker 4 (34:54):
But last year, and I don't I don't dycall it.

Speaker 6 (34:59):
I did not give them away. You gave them to me.
They're in my desk somewhere.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
I'll check.

Speaker 5 (35:04):
I'll have to.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
Effort that, all right. I mean, do we have to
give you a Lasik eye surgery?

Speaker 9 (35:08):
You try to get it that doctors doesn't recommend it
to you?

Speaker 5 (35:11):
Will really eyes are already fallen upon it.

Speaker 9 (35:14):
You're too old to be a jedi.

Speaker 6 (35:15):
He says, I could do it for you, and you'd
probably need lenses on them within five years, So it's
he didn't recommend it.

Speaker 9 (35:22):
I'm not seeing seven. I don't see seven.

Speaker 11 (35:25):
Uh see, all the other TV's are a little bit
spaced out right now, So maybe he's hiding somewhere, but
I did not see him.

Speaker 6 (35:36):
Yeah, that's just I'm going to guess that he's he's
dealing with some sort of like soft tissue kind of
deal because the only time we've seen him the last
now this has been the fourth practice, was the walk through, right,
So there's no real running there. That's just everybody's that's
eligible is out there, you know.

Speaker 9 (35:54):
That was that was the only outlier.

Speaker 4 (35:56):
That's why I'm kind of surprised we're seeing because he
wasn't even there for the walk through.

Speaker 9 (36:00):
But he wasn't allowed to be there for the walk time.

Speaker 6 (36:02):
Oh okay, well the guys he's on the list though
the guys on lists were oh no, he's not on
the list.

Speaker 9 (36:10):
Wasn't on the list.

Speaker 6 (36:10):
That okay, let me take that back, so let's go
back to I'm good call.

Speaker 4 (36:14):
And so the fact that he wasn't there for the walkthrough,
it surprised.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
Me that the first time we see it's full time.
It's full pads.

Speaker 9 (36:21):
Yeah me too. Yeah, I mean, maybe he's like, all right,
I gotta to get out.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
Yeah, and I'll see what his workload's like today. Is
he getting eased in or is he just jumped right in?
I mean they said he I think the report was
he had some muscle soreness, but I don't know if
that was in the shoulder that he had surgery on.
It doesn't sound right to me. They don't think muscles.
So he passed. He passed the physical. Yeah, so shoulders
should be good to go.

Speaker 6 (36:44):
I guess it's you know, and when you're dealing with injuries,
sometimes you're not able to do as much cardio as
maybe you want to. I wonder if maybe it's just
general muscle soreness, you.

Speaker 9 (36:53):
Know, I don't know. It seems like a long time
to be dealing.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
With that, right, especially to hop right in with Pads
that the shoulder was an issue or that was the
thing holding him back.

Speaker 5 (37:00):
Unlikely to throw him right to the Woltz right now.
But we'll see.

Speaker 4 (37:03):
Let's move over to the we talk a little bit
about Carlon Davis, but let's move over to the defense,
because we've been focusing on the offense yesterday, not yesterday,
but Saturday. I think it was for Able talked, you know,
some lengthd about Splain and how he likes his energy,
his communication, his violence in the run game.

Speaker 5 (37:27):
Is this guy a candidate for captain he's not already captain?

Speaker 9 (37:31):
Yeah, I would absolutely say yes.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
I mean, I think if you listen to the micd
up that we put out, it's just clear he is
taking the reins with this defense. He's a guy that's
worked hard to get to this point. It seems like
he's very excited to really feel like he has a
home here after bouncing around, you know, from Tennessee to
Pittsburgh to the Raiders and now you know, a three
year deal for him here.

Speaker 5 (37:51):
He stepped right into this role and has just.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
Become that instant middle linebacker in the middle who's making
the calls and adjusting guys and encouraging guy and setting
the tone. Right from the start of practice, I saw
him get his hands on a couple of balls. Last
practice on Saturday saw him free run right in on
a blitz as well.

Speaker 5 (38:09):
And I think that's the biggest thing for me with Splaine.

Speaker 3 (38:11):
It's just you know, we know, tackling machines, but is
he making plays, is he getting hands on is he
defending passes? Is he getting tackles for loss, is he
getting into the backfield, is he forcing fumbles? Those are
the things that can truly make him, you know, a
special player for this defense in addition to being the
intellectual leader trying to get everybody on the same page.
But from what the guys have all said about this

(38:31):
scheme now is it's very simple.

Speaker 5 (38:33):
They just want you to play fast.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
There's not a lot of sit there, figure it out,
decipher it, and then go get it. It's you know,
go get it and figure it out later. So I
think he fits that really well. Milton Williams does, Christian
Barmore does, and I hope Keyon White does as well.
That to me, and key On White said it himself
that he said his best when he's not thinking and
he's just playing. So hopefully he can understand this scheme
and Keon White can just play and really have that

(38:55):
breakout year that I know a lot of people think
he can have this.

Speaker 9 (38:57):
Who is the player, the defensive player that said that
they call him the commander. I think it was Marcus Jones.

Speaker 6 (39:04):
Marcus Jones, Yes, they call Spalaine the commander, so clearly
he's in charge. I mean that comes with that position
a little bit. It's kind of like the quarterback of
the defense. But we've seen it. We've seen Splaine, you know,
looking like he plays fast and has a jump. You know,
it's been a couple of nice plays in coverage of
the day. Also got beat a couple of plays pretty

(39:24):
badly in coverage on some of those running back routes.

Speaker 9 (39:28):
But he's an active guy.

Speaker 6 (39:29):
It's hard not to notice his energy just when you
watch practice, the way he comes out like, it's hard
not to notice his energy.

Speaker 7 (39:35):
Yeah, yeah, I think you know, I'm sure and understandably
so not not a lot of people have we're combing
over Raiders tape over the last couple of years, given
what has happened with that team, But he's been somebody
that has been underrated, you know, kind of sneaky good
for a while.

Speaker 12 (39:52):
Now.

Speaker 7 (39:53):
It's obviously played for Rabel in Tennessee, so he's very
familiar with this defense, and it's stepping into a familiar
defense for him. So I can understand how he's already
has the calls down and already has all that communication down.
So him and Harold Landry, I think are two guys
that are going to be captains and going to be leaders.
Maybe Landry a little bit more of like a quiet
leader compared to Splaine. But I think those two guys

(40:15):
are here for partially because of that, to kind of
be circle the wagon guys, for the staff and for Verbel.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
I like how you said that about Landry. That's what's
I wouldn't say surprised me. I didn't have any preconceived
notion of him. But he just seems like a serious
guy who goes about his business. He's always out here
really early, you know, seems just ready to carry over
what he did in Tennessee and slip right into this mold.
And you can see why Vrabel went out and got
those guys. Some transition going on with the defense. But

(40:44):
that's at least two pieces right there that know what
they're doing, They know all the calls, and they bring
a degree of familiarity with this defense.

Speaker 4 (40:51):
As you can see, we've got our cameras now turned on.
On the field, there's your quarterback, Drake May's quarterback.

Speaker 8 (40:58):
I give him a.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
B maybe B minus. So far, this.

Speaker 5 (41:04):
Tough.

Speaker 6 (41:05):
This this may be a first in the history of
the program. I am higher on Drake May than Fred
for the first four days of practice, Okay, I thought,
you know, I guess I was a little bit alone
on this take. I thought he made more difficult passes
on Saturday, even though they weren't all complete, than he
did the first three games days combined, when everybody was

(41:25):
talking about how efficient the offense was. It's just not
really overly impressed when screens and little dump BoFs are
getting completed, right. I was impressed with some of the
He threaded one in to Henry On like a deep
over route. I think, before you yell at me, before
you yell at me, that was over the linebacker in
front of the safety.

Speaker 9 (41:44):
I mean, the throw couldn't have been any better.

Speaker 6 (41:46):
I thought the ones that he missed were largely the
result of too much pressure. There's too many guys in
his face and he's trying to throw on this. I
just thought, given the amount of time that he spent
throwing the ball down in the field on Saturday, that
the completion presentage is not going to be, you know,
in the high eighties like it was the first three days.
I thought, he's I think he's throwing the ball really well, yeah,

(42:09):
really well.

Speaker 7 (42:09):
To get a lot more out of a practice in
like Saturday, then I feel like you got out of
the first couple of days, even though the stats might
look better from the first couple of days, like he
was actually opening it up and they were trying to
push the ball down the field more and be more aggressive.
Call it, you know, watching it from up here, just
like calling a bunch of shot plays as well that
were purposely meant to go down the field, unlike the.

Speaker 9 (42:30):
First couple of days.

Speaker 7 (42:31):
So if you can take what he did in the
first couple of days and then sprinkle in what they
did on Saturday, now you have an offense.

Speaker 6 (42:37):
You get efficients and the big play capability.

Speaker 7 (42:41):
I mean, I'm talking about to throw it at Pop
Douglas like I've I've been like I've been thinking about
that for two days.

Speaker 9 (42:47):
That was that, you know, I mean, it's unbelievable. Flicked
his wrist and.

Speaker 7 (42:52):
He flicked his wrist off one foot and through its
sixty yards on a dime like that. That is the talent,
the arm talent that he has. That is just unbelievable.

Speaker 9 (43:01):
And I'm like, show you guys listening.

Speaker 6 (43:03):
You know, you guys all got a chance to see it,
because I know we had the video that we put
out there through our social channels, so you got a
chance to see the level of difficulty on the play.
It wasn't just a run of the mill while he
ran by everybody, you know, like now they had an
ad lib.

Speaker 9 (43:17):
They bought time.

Speaker 6 (43:19):
And then May specifically said, that's one of the things
that he's really focusing on.

Speaker 7 (43:24):
That was that was like Josh Allen esque, like that
was that looked like well you would see in Buffalo.

Speaker 9 (43:30):
That was a hell of a throw, Like you.

Speaker 6 (43:31):
Got nothing there, they got the play stopped and all
of a sudden, they're in.

Speaker 9 (43:34):
The end zone.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
I find myself questioning a lot because I feel like
you're inherently every NFL team right now probably feels fairly positive.
I can't imagine that any NFL team's coverage has got
in the four days of practice at a good point.
You know, oh god, it's over, guys. And certainly they
are going to be teams that are terrible this year.
And I felt that way, you know, every year, whether
it was you know, a couple of years ago when
they lost a couple of four win seasons, or even

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when they know made the playoffs in twenty twenty one.
So I'm trying to like measure like because Saturday's practice,
to me, was one of the most fun training cramp
practices I've seen, maybe in recent memory. I can't remember
one where it was back and forth. You had some
pressure from the defense, you had some nice sacks where
you know, you might look at it as all that's
concerning about the offensive line. Then you also see, you know,

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the offense making some plays down the field, and all right,
well that's good for the downfield. Maybe we're contumbled to safties.
Just back and forth.

Speaker 5 (44:24):
It was balanced. It comes down today.

Speaker 4 (44:26):
It all comes down to the nature of what they're
trying to accomplish that day. And you know, they were
trying to go longer, and like Evan said, take those plays.
That's going to bring down your stats because you don't
complete as many of those.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
But that's what they were trying to do. That's why
you know, you look.

Speaker 4 (44:43):
At these training camp statistics and there's no context to them.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
You know, what were they trying to do that day?

Speaker 4 (44:50):
When he's fourteen or fifteen, All the passes are under
sixty yards, So yeah, you better be fourteen to fifteen, right,
And if you're doing.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
What they did Saturday. It's unlikely that they're gonna be.

Speaker 7 (45:03):
But you know, like I think the hope is if
you do what they did on the day that he
was fourteen for fifteen and get him more of those layups.
It's not going to all be on his shoulders to
make the throw that he made the pop Douglas to
get them in the game, right, And so that that's
the hope is that you can combine those two things.
And I know there's a lot of chatter on Paul
shows about whether or not they're gonna reel him in

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and like reel.

Speaker 9 (45:26):
In his gun slinger in his running ability.

Speaker 6 (45:29):
Yeah, you know, and I hope that that doesn't necessarily happen.

Speaker 9 (45:33):
I think it's funny.

Speaker 7 (45:34):
And I know we pick on your guys a lot, Paul,
but like they get on like, you know, he doesn't,
you know, Felger doesn't think that that running quarterbacks are good.

Speaker 9 (45:44):
It's like who was in the Super Bowl last year?
Who won? It's amazing the super Bowl last year.

Speaker 7 (45:48):
Jalen Hurts right in the super Bowl, right, you know,
Lamar Jackson was in the AFC Championship game.

Speaker 6 (45:54):
I'm sure he thinks of Josh Divisional Jackson as losers
because they haven't won seven titles, right, but like, despite
the fact they've won more games in the NFL over
to the last five years than anybody else.

Speaker 7 (46:04):
Every year, the final four, the final eight, like seven
of the eight quarterbacks are a dual threat.

Speaker 9 (46:09):
Like they're like, that's just the lead.

Speaker 7 (46:10):
The Super Bowl matchup last year was Mahomes versus Hurts,
two guys that are athletic and can move around. So
I get it, Like, you don't want the Lamar Jackson. Like,
our offense is built around the quarterback run.

Speaker 4 (46:21):
And we've talked about this in the past on this show.
Everyone says, oh, well, NFL is an offensive league. Now
all the rules are you know, skewed to you know,
score points. But the defenses are more complex now than
they ever were catching out right, and you need that
quarterback that can do both to keep the defenses honest.
If you have a pocket quarterback who's not mobile in

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today's NFL with the speed on defense, it makes it
too easy.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
It makes it too easy.

Speaker 4 (46:50):
You get that quarterback who can extend plays on third down,
you think you had it a third and eight and
he runs for the first.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
It's a backbreaker. For the defense. You need that. You
need that threat.

Speaker 4 (47:02):
I'm not saying that you have to do it all
the time, but you need that threat to keep these
fast defenses honest, because defenses aren't as bad as we
think they are.

Speaker 7 (47:12):
Yeah, and I get the I get what Felger's point
is about the design run. It's like, oh, Lamar Jackson,
that zone reading and read options and things.

Speaker 9 (47:18):
Like, you don't want to that doesn't You don't want
that to be the.

Speaker 5 (47:21):
Foundation of your eye gimmicking.

Speaker 6 (47:24):
Also in his defense, not that you know, his arrogance
needs to be defended.

Speaker 5 (47:28):
He's got to show it to But he also says.

Speaker 6 (47:31):
Like he thinks of Mahomes' mentality as being ideal, like
a guy who can run but generally doesn't waste it
in the regular season.

Speaker 9 (47:41):
It's when there's a big game.

Speaker 6 (47:42):
In the fourth quarter or a playoff game he he
tends to run a little bit more to pick up
that key third and eight when he needs it, as
opposed to as Evan said, the Lamar Jackson is gonna
run for twelve hundred yards and maybe that's not necessarily
the better.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
I'd say all that, all that said, I think today's
really interesting day for Drake May when starting the red zone,
tighter windows.

Speaker 5 (48:03):
You heard Brabe will say it.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
Maybe, like Evan said, we'll see some of the mobile
quarterback stuff down near the goal line.

Speaker 5 (48:09):
But you know, I want to see Drake throw some
strikes today.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
I want to see some throwing with anticipation of windows
and you know, see that part of his game.

Speaker 5 (48:16):
How much does that improved?

Speaker 3 (48:17):
Is he able to throw some touchdowns in some of
these periods that I think he'll have about, you know,
eighteen reps. So it's not you know, it's not a
huge sample size in practice, but he'll have some opportunities
for sure.

Speaker 4 (48:27):
I know Paul will say, you can talk about your
backup quarterback on your own time, but do we have one.

Speaker 9 (48:33):
I like Josh Dopps. I like his mentality.

Speaker 7 (48:35):
Like if I like this mentality, if you have a
veteran quarterback, and I would agree with that. It's like
Brian Hoyr is the same way, like just rip it,
like what like don't go out there and like be
conservative and and like worry about pitt and throwing picks
like you're on the team for a reason.

Speaker 9 (48:49):
You're a backup quarterback to be you know, a mentor.

Speaker 7 (48:52):
A veteran voice in the room for a young quarterback
like Drake may And I like that he comes out
here and kind of lets it loose a little bit.
Hoyer was a great practice quarterbacks.

Speaker 6 (49:02):
I would say Dobbs is not afraid to throw into
one of those defensive team meetings. But that said some
of the level of difficulty on some of his completions
off the charts, that little like soft spot in his
own like the little hole shot.

Speaker 9 (49:16):
Yeah, he's done that like four times.

Speaker 6 (49:18):
A couple of them have been to to Mario Douglas
where those those throws are not easy to make.

Speaker 9 (49:24):
So yeah, I mean he's been up and down. He's
he's a backup. Yeah, so you're.

Speaker 6 (49:28):
Going to have some up and down play. Otherwise he'd
be someone start. Yeah, But I do like his mentality.
I like the way you can lead that off I think.
I think Brissette is widely regarded as a tremendous professional.

Speaker 9 (49:42):
I think last.

Speaker 6 (49:43):
Year he felt like he was going to get the
season to be the starter and maybe have a chance
to one last grasp at showing someone that he can
be someone's starter, and then he didn't get it. And
I don't think he was great in terms of the
other stuff that you were hoping to get when once
he became the backup. I think you will get that
from top.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
Yeah, he was a little poudy.

Speaker 4 (50:03):
I think that first game against Sinnati just screwed everybody up.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
You know, it really did it.

Speaker 5 (50:11):
You know expectations.

Speaker 4 (50:12):
Yeah, yeah, we're looking at the offensive line right now,
there's sixty six little Campbell.

Speaker 9 (50:19):
Yeah, I thought that. I think Will Campbell's off to
a solid star.

Speaker 7 (50:22):
He's the team drills has been a little bit up
and down for him. He's gotten beat a couple of
times in pass protection, but I thought he had a
good run of one on ones on Saturday. I think
with the offensive line always it's like one play that
sticks out to you where he gets beaten. He has
ten good reps and one bad and that's all you count.
But I think he's been as advertised I would say

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so far, like not perfect in pass pro and has
some things to work on there, but for the most part,
has been solid.

Speaker 4 (50:49):
If you're wondering what that was, funny things on everyone's helmet,
those are the guardian padding that they put on and
I don't know if it's mandatory, but I think a
lot of players like wearing those in practice.

Speaker 7 (51:00):
I believe they are mandatory for positions like the trench,
positions like positions in the thick of it, like tight end,
pull back, offensive line, defensive line.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
Okay, yeah, to buy to by walking up the backside.
Not not in pads, No, not in pats. I just
saw him walking up the backside with without anything on.
So yeah, I guess, uh, maybe a setback for him
from that calf injury that he experience.

Speaker 6 (51:27):
Yeah, he had looked like he had an issue on
Saturday right at one point.

Speaker 9 (51:30):
Yeah, was that Saturday?

Speaker 5 (51:31):
Or for it must have been Saturday.

Speaker 4 (51:34):
Kyl and Pembroke writes in at Patriots Said, Uh What's It?
Podcast at Patriots dot Com after the first week of
training camp. My hot takes are that Javon Baker has
a better chance of making the team over Poke, and
that ben Woo Woodridge has a real chance of beating
out Dobbs for the backup.

Speaker 9 (51:52):
I don't I don't see the backup one.

Speaker 5 (51:54):
I don't know that.

Speaker 9 (51:55):
I mean, I put that close to zero.

Speaker 7 (51:57):
Yeah, Dobbs has a role, like has a purpose here, Paul,
I thought laid it out earlier that Like, it's the
same thing to me with maccollins, Like everybody's wondering if
mac collins is going to be on the team or not.

Speaker 9 (52:09):
It's not practicing.

Speaker 7 (52:10):
Mccollins, I think has a purpose to the coaching staff,
a leadership, a mentorship type of role.

Speaker 9 (52:17):
I think the same thing with Dobbs.

Speaker 4 (52:20):
Let's see Todd and Garner got to give Fred is
due for wishing the worst down opponents. The Jets are
suffering QB injuries and conflicts. The Raiders defensive star held
out during his rehab it was released.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
Two teams we face this year are already imploding.

Speaker 4 (52:35):
Well done, Fred, Now for a quick question, other than
Drake May, who is the one player that, if he
goes down, will derail the Patriots season.

Speaker 5 (52:44):
Paul Spellane could be.

Speaker 6 (52:49):
I think there's some one player I don't think is
going to do that other than May.

Speaker 9 (52:55):
But I would put a group of.

Speaker 6 (52:59):
Milton Williams, Robert Splaine, Christian Gonzalez, Steffan Diggs. Like I'm
not saying any one of those individually would cause a spiral,
but those would be individuals that would be lost on
my list of guys that they could.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
Afford to lose.

Speaker 3 (53:15):
Yeah, I might put Harold Landry in that mix too,
depending on how it all shapes out.

Speaker 9 (53:19):
He could be one two.

Speaker 5 (53:20):
But you know, somebody.

Speaker 4 (53:23):
I think about, Milton Williams is the second name out
of my I think about Landry and Williams and those
new guys is first we got to see are they
going to be who we hope they are before I
tab them as Oh we can't.

Speaker 9 (53:37):
I'm tabbing them as guys they don't have.

Speaker 6 (53:38):
Replacements for Yeah, well, like Robert Splaine, there's nobody that
can play every down linebacker.

Speaker 9 (53:45):
I don't think they have another guy on the roster. Yeah,
I mean I think I guess it would be Christian.

Speaker 5 (53:48):
Ellis, Jack Gibbons, Jack Gibbons.

Speaker 6 (53:51):
I wouldn't feel great about any I think it's I
don't think Juwan Bentley was an All Pro player right
when he went out last year, they didn't have anybody
that was as good that could replace him, and I
think it hurt the defense.

Speaker 9 (54:04):
Yeah, you guys want to want attendance, just please?

Speaker 7 (54:07):
All right, So Carlton Davis and Jelani Tavai are your absences.

Speaker 9 (54:11):
Matt Collins, Austin Hooper Verderian low remain on.

Speaker 7 (54:14):
Pup pulp back Josh Minkin's off or off NFI. Excuse
me he returned, so no to buy no Davis or
you know, the surprises or unknowns or whatever it was.

Speaker 9 (54:26):
I wasn't really missing. I was only missing like three guys.

Speaker 5 (54:28):
That's pretty good, not bad, all right.

Speaker 4 (54:33):
Joey wants to know what's it gonna take for Chisholm
to make the team. Does it mean born a booty
will need to have poor training camp for Chisholm to
make it, or are we Patriots fans wishful thinking for
another Edilman.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
Yeah, I mean I honestly, I think it's gonna take
an injury for him to be anything more than a
practice squader, unless unless he blows up in the preseason
and he gets in some opportunities late in the game
and he starts to make some catches and Josh McDaniels
is intrigue, and maybe Pop Douglas is sore one day
and Chisholm gets to step in with Drake and he
makes four or five. You know that those kind of
things can happen, But it's an uphill climb from Chisholm

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right now.

Speaker 6 (55:09):
I am expecting an Austin Carr like preseason from him,
Like the last three quarters, He's going to get targeted
a million times by like Josh Dobbs.

Speaker 9 (55:18):
And Wooldridge, and people will blow it out of proportion.

Speaker 7 (55:23):
Yeah, with those guys, you always wonder. It's like a
baseball thing, like is he a four A player?

Speaker 4 (55:28):
Right?

Speaker 7 (55:28):
Like? Is he too good to be on a practice
squad but maybe not quite good enough to play?

Speaker 9 (55:32):
I don't think you have any issues getting you on
the practice squad.

Speaker 7 (55:34):
Yeah, I don't see what he does in the preseason.
I don't think of an issue per se with the
way like there's not a ton of waiver claims anymore anyways,
But we'll see.

Speaker 4 (55:44):
Yeah, So people are wondering what happens when you go
on a practice squad. Another team can claim any other
player from another team's practice squad, but they have to
put him on the active roster if they do.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
And I think for at least three weeks. I think
there's a minimum that he has to be on your.

Speaker 7 (56:01):
Active Rockney player that's your claims, and their rookie contract
goes through waivers. The invested veterans don't go through waivers
this time of year, those guys become free agents instantly.
But if you're in the first I think it's four
years of your NFL career, then you go on.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
Waivers before you can be on the practice squad.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
Correct, right, I just hope that all these guys, all
these receivers, that the competition can elevate some of these
players and make them good enough to have this offense
be a functional offense that can score on anybody at
any time. And maybe that's asking a little bit, but
can you know Diggs's presence elevate Pop Douglas? Can that
help Key Shaan BOUDI continue to elevate? You know, is

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Diggs's leadership in the locker room and the tone that
he's setting. Does that pull some of these guys up?

Speaker 5 (56:46):
Does it?

Speaker 3 (56:47):
You know? Demonstrate to Javon Baker, this is how you
have to be a professional.

Speaker 5 (56:50):
This is the consistency you have to come with every
day to practice.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
I just want to trim the fat and figure out
when we get to the in the training camp. Right,
these are the guys who are moving forward now. So
the second year in a row felt like you've had
a big logjam, a wide receiver, and it's still last
year didn't feel like you ever got.

Speaker 5 (57:04):
Any real true answers from that group. Booty had a
good year.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
I mean he continued to progress, but never got to
the point where you felt like he was a game changer.
Maybe as a group this year they can they can
be game Changer's eighty six.

Speaker 6 (57:16):
The guy to me that's far more important than this
whole conversation is the one.

Speaker 9 (57:19):
Too was right, and that is Kyle Williams.

Speaker 6 (57:23):
I think if he can come in and make a
you know, a legitimate role for himself where he's not
just a you know, a piece, but a legitimate, complimentary
receiver who is making consistent contributions on a week to
week basis, I think he has a skill set that
could do that. But it's we all know this is
not an easy jump. We've seen a lot of young

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receivers come into this system in struggle. So hopefully he
can get the mental side down so he can show
some of that physical stuff that we saw at Washington State.

Speaker 7 (57:51):
Yeah, still I wonder about his position, and I know
he's a wide receiversde because he's got a good release
off the line to play on the outside, But his
body type just doesn't He's just a little too small
to me, like like corners that are in the NFL.

Speaker 6 (58:08):
He's listed at five to eleven. Yeah, I don't know
if he's five eleven.

Speaker 7 (58:12):
Yeah, if you're one on one with it, like a
Christian Gonzalez, like Gonzo is just gonna get in his
face and he's just gonna bully him at the line
of scrimmage. And I just don't know if he has
that play strength and stuff yet to play an outside role.
And then if you are really looking at him moving
more inside, well, now Diggs is there, Pop is there.

Speaker 9 (58:30):
And now you're in that log jam.

Speaker 7 (58:32):
So I'm just wondering where exactly because I think they're
trying to make him start to push Boody as like
that primary X. I just don't know if his skill
set is perfect for that kind of role.

Speaker 5 (58:42):
Yeah, it's a good point.

Speaker 3 (58:43):
Love to see him, you know, this year, pop in
and make some key plays. Maybe he's not the starter
out of the shoot, but he's a guy like him
and born like you need those you know, fourth fifth
kind of receiver Hollins like those three, those guys.

Speaker 5 (58:55):
Are gonna come in key times and make some key plays.

Speaker 6 (58:57):
Yeah, and I am probably guilty of this, Like how
many times do you have to get let down, Paul
before you start, you know, counting to get where it happens.

Speaker 9 (59:05):
But I'm ready, I'm gonna, We're gonna open myself up
to get hurt again, and I'm okay with it.

Speaker 7 (59:10):
But like him and Travon Henderson, to me, is just
it's not about volume. It's like how many big plays
can they create. If they can both combine to make
some chunk plays for this offense and plays that they
weren't getting the last couple of years, then the draft
picks are fine. Like maybe they aren't going to be
a thousand yard receiver or a thousand yard rusher, but
can they have like a fifty yard gain in a

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game or a sixty yard gain in a game like
Thatose are the types of plays that they just weren't getting.

Speaker 4 (59:36):
Yep, Seana Vancouver thinks that Will Campbell is a guy
that can't.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
Be replaced if he went down. That's true. I mean
we hope that the case that is true.

Speaker 6 (59:46):
No, but they don't have a tackle back and I
mean we saw it last year. The guys that are
behind Will Campbell and Morgan Moses are the two guys.

Speaker 9 (59:54):
Who played last year. I'm not going to train Jacobs.

Speaker 16 (59:56):
In in Vederian low and has some practice, right, So
I mean really it's probably Marcus Bryant, you know, So
He's right, Sean's right, they don't have I don't think
adequate replacements, all right.

Speaker 5 (01:00:10):
Yeah, that's what's interesting is the depth.

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
And again, just that's what's most interesting me coming out
of this camp. Who are the guys that were not
really expecting to be contributors or expecting to carve out
a significant role on this team? That will and I
think the push really starts today as things start to
ramp up.

Speaker 7 (01:00:25):
Right, I mean Will Campbell going wire to wire his
rookie season as the starter for seventeen straight weeks doing
a lot is asking a lot, and hopefully it's more
than seventeen weeks, right, Like, I think that's asking for
even more so at some point him or Moses is
especially Moses at thirty four and most plays a lot
of games, but he still kind of gets nicked up
here and there, and like we'll miss a game or two.

(01:00:47):
So one of those guys is is going to go
down with an injury at some point and they're going
to have to replace them.

Speaker 4 (01:00:55):
All right, we're watching Will Campbell now. I think Will,
I'm excited to see the man on man side.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
When they go against the defense.

Speaker 4 (01:01:03):
I assume they're going to do that today, but no guarantees.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
But when they go one on one with the defense.

Speaker 5 (01:01:10):
So we're in period six right now.

Speaker 3 (01:01:11):
There's about seven minutes left, so that'll be our the
end of us and then yeah, they'll go I think
right into team which are sorry group which is offensive
defense separately, and then one on ones in the red
zone on.

Speaker 4 (01:01:25):
So it would help me if and I'm talking to
our technical people, if when we do have to turn
the cameras off for our audience, if we can keep
our monitor on what's going on the field so.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
I can use that.

Speaker 5 (01:01:36):
I'm pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
Yeah I could. I could just turn around too.

Speaker 5 (01:01:40):
But you got your buyinox Fred.

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
Yeah, Now it's a good perch up here, let's see
a lot.

Speaker 7 (01:01:49):
It's a good This is a good inside baseball discussion.
Some of us like the perch, some of us don't
like the perch.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
I like the perch, me too. I like being above it,
so I can you know, I.

Speaker 9 (01:02:01):
Just can't see.

Speaker 6 (01:02:02):
It's a total me thing. My eyesight is terrible. No,
this is not like you guys are out of your
minds for liking it up there.

Speaker 9 (01:02:08):
I can't see. I physically can't see.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
I need the binoculars.

Speaker 6 (01:02:11):
But yeah, I don't want to just see like two players.
I want to see I like, I'm like it, and
I want to see all twenty two.

Speaker 5 (01:02:19):
Well, right now it's all ninety one and it's a
a little hard to keep track.

Speaker 7 (01:02:24):
My dream someday maybe this will come true, would be
to get the practice tape.

Speaker 9 (01:02:30):
Oh I watch after the practice, like not to like
even share.

Speaker 7 (01:02:34):
It, like just cut ups and put them on Twitter,
just to formulate my takes a little bit more, you know,
and stuff like that. Because you're trying to watch the
line of scrimmage and there's bodies flying everywhere, like you
sometimes you catch someone flashing, but like really you're it's hard.

Speaker 9 (01:02:50):
It's hard to see it.

Speaker 7 (01:02:51):
And that's like I'm looking right at it and it's
hard to see it.

Speaker 9 (01:02:54):
I don't see.

Speaker 4 (01:02:55):
In the past, they've had I used to call them
the boat and then it had the big how we're
in the middle of the boat, and they used it
remote control.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
I don't see, so I'm wondering.

Speaker 4 (01:03:05):
I know there's they had the behind the line of
scrimmage camera. It's someone with a big monopod, and but
I don't see where the other camera. They must be
mounted somewhere and being operated remotely.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
I mean, I'm looking right now at a coaching assistant
down there, and she's got a camera.

Speaker 5 (01:03:21):
Yeah, he's got to got a handheld be she's gotta be.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
It just can't there.

Speaker 9 (01:03:24):
You just gotta Yeah, you just got a shot of
it right there.

Speaker 4 (01:03:27):
Yeah, But there's gotta be cameras around the field that
are at a high level so that Evan can get
his Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
I wish it's his tape.

Speaker 9 (01:03:36):
I wish. I promise I won't. I won't tweet any
of it. I want, I want.

Speaker 5 (01:03:41):
It's just for me, just for me, just for me,
for my informed of pants. O.

Speaker 9 (01:03:44):
There you on the hop.

Speaker 4 (01:03:46):
Yeah, so this is this is your field level guy,
and he's got that above the line. But there's gotta
be other cameras.

Speaker 7 (01:03:54):
Yeah, they probably have a bird's eye view camera somewhere.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:04:00):
It's all a I know, just make it up.

Speaker 3 (01:04:03):
It's all ball bearings nowadays, guys, Yeah, so it sounds
like there'll be a few days of pats this week,
and so though there will be a little bit of
a grind's gonna be hot. It might be the proverbial
dog days of summer perhaps, But Paul said, it's like
this week training camp. Yeah, next week's kind of preseason
joint practice Minnesota Giants, because then you get into.

Speaker 7 (01:04:25):
Like the schedule of like you know, game, day off
before the game and day off after the game, and
it kind.

Speaker 9 (01:04:31):
Of slows down. Two weeks yeah, I.

Speaker 5 (01:04:33):
Guess two and a half weeks maybe of real camp.

Speaker 9 (01:04:37):
I don't do it like they did it back in
the day anymore.

Speaker 6 (01:04:39):
Not like us now, kid, nowadays, they don't know when
you guys back did your your triple sessions whoever it was,
did they Did.

Speaker 3 (01:04:46):
They ever have non padded practices where there's still shells
and helmet days and stuff like that, sessions with without
full pads?

Speaker 6 (01:04:52):
Yeah, they would have, Like really, would they go full
pads both sessions in the same.

Speaker 9 (01:04:56):
Day, one would be on or off. The problem is
they never told you, so, like sometimes you get stuck. Yeah,
watching both.

Speaker 5 (01:05:05):
I remember double sessions in high school and that man,
I just was so hot after that first one.

Speaker 6 (01:05:11):
It was where I discovered now those were always in
pads right both sessions.

Speaker 3 (01:05:15):
It's where I discovered the magic of powdered gatorade.

Speaker 5 (01:05:18):
Versus just the gatorade you buy. Like the trainers.

Speaker 3 (01:05:20):
They always had the powdered stuff, and you could make
it a little bit sweeter, a little more powerful. And
I just remember jugging that stuff like you're gonna go
back to practice, O tough CJ.

Speaker 7 (01:05:32):
Dupree taking this rep here eighty two. Just like those
tight ends in general, like none of them have really.

Speaker 9 (01:05:37):
Someone's got to emerge.

Speaker 7 (01:05:39):
Yeah, like the tight end three position right now, And
I just wonder if it stays this way, if they
just try to carry one or two on the practice squad,
if they have to elevate them.

Speaker 9 (01:05:47):
One week, they elevate them, and they just go that route.
Because none of these guys have really done anything.

Speaker 6 (01:05:54):
I would Westover would be the one I've noticed the most,
but that's simply because he's been.

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
Out there more.

Speaker 9 (01:05:59):
I haven't necessarily seen him do a lot. Yeah, I said,
full back there.

Speaker 7 (01:06:06):
You said that to about Chishom, like you probably have No,
I don't think you have any problem getting any of
these guys to the practice squad like Jack west Over,
CJ dpre Jean Bell. So with all the elevations and
the rules now you might not need to carry eight
three guys on the roster.

Speaker 3 (01:06:21):
Yeah, I just want to know who I want because
I haven't seen much out of any of those guys
yet to make me say like I really need to
keep any of.

Speaker 5 (01:06:27):
These guys so far. And that's obvious after what the
full practice we've seen.

Speaker 7 (01:06:31):
But right it just gives you some time and then
if someone ends up getting you know, season ending injury
happen somewhere, and if there's an ir spot that opens up,
then you can sign them to the roster, but you
don't necessarily need to carry him right out of the game.

Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
Well, I think today's an interesting day though, just because
if they're gonna be the red zone, they're gonna be
on the goal line. It might give opportunity to a
second tight end liked pre Blocking, or that full back
Brock Lampy, maybe he gets some snaps.

Speaker 5 (01:06:53):
I mean, there's some interesting things to look at once
they get down there.

Speaker 9 (01:06:56):
There's been a lot of full back.

Speaker 7 (01:06:57):
There's been a lot of fullback, and I think there's
too much full back to say that that's gonna go away.

Speaker 9 (01:07:03):
You know, I don't know if will be.

Speaker 7 (01:07:05):
Lamping Ye, but it's gonna it's gonna be somebody because
they've been doing too much of it during the team
periods to then just throw out that part of the
playbook once the season comes around because they don't have
one on the roster.

Speaker 6 (01:07:16):
And if you do keep lamp beyond the roster, I
think that would even further cement your tight end three
committee from the practice grid.

Speaker 7 (01:07:25):
Henry Hooper, Lampy, then a couple of guys on the
practice squads stashed away.

Speaker 4 (01:07:30):
What have we seen from Lampy so far as I
just right now, it's hard to get until the you know,
until we really see contact today and this is coming
up week.

Speaker 3 (01:07:40):
But if he's leading the way into the end zone
to I'm going to be fair to Lampy, he can't
do Lampy things until you get pat on.

Speaker 7 (01:07:48):
The usage is what stands out though, Like you know,
the fact that he is he'd that they are going
to that package and they are using a full back
like that's that's notable.

Speaker 9 (01:07:57):
That that's the part that so far, at least for me,
that I that I I've noted.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
We're able with twenty five today Marcus Jones. How much
longer is it before we see him show up on
the injury report?

Speaker 3 (01:08:10):
I was, I'm wondering if he's like getting in better
shape all this practice and he's been doing, like, is
he getting in shape too?

Speaker 5 (01:08:16):
I down fighting getting.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
Hit pretty hard as some of those and he puts.

Speaker 5 (01:08:19):
That Blaine popped them in the job. I was like, man,
don't get hurt, Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
I know.

Speaker 4 (01:08:26):
I wonder how much ibuprofit he's taken after these. All right,
so our cameras.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
This is off the field now, so you're looking at us.

Speaker 4 (01:08:38):
Sorry, sorry, So we'll do our best to see what's
going on over there and try to tell you what
we see.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
But that's hard because we have to be looking this way.

Speaker 9 (01:08:50):
You're going to be staring at my back. I apologize. Yes,
I'm going to stand up.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
All right, So good? Are we are? Good? To take
a break downstairs? Might be a good time to do
that reset.

Speaker 4 (01:09:02):
Okay, all right, So that'll be it for this edition
of Patriots Unfiltered at Camp, and we will be you'll
have your post practice wrap up show, the Training Camp
cast we'll be back on our What are we going
to do?

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
Patriots have filtered at one o'clock tomorrow practical.

Speaker 9 (01:09:23):
I think we could do that. Yeah, sounds great. Let's
go one to three tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (01:09:27):
Yeah, because practice gets over a little after twelve and
then you've got availability, so we'll start pe you tomorrow
at one o'clock. So until then, thanks everyone for joining us,
and let's go watch practice.

Speaker 5 (01:09:44):
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Speaker 9 (01:09:45):
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Speaker 5 (01:09:57):
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