Patriots Unfiltered 7/29: Training Camp Day 6 Observations, Khyiris Tonga In-Studio

Tune-in as we share our biggest takeaways from day 6 of Patriots Training Camp. We talk which rookies are standing out on the offensive and defensive lines. We share our positive and not so positive observations of the offense, veterans and kickers. Plus, DT Khyiris Tonga joins us in-studio to talk defensive preparation, the trenches and more!

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Speaker 2 (00:31):
All right, just a heart open here. Welcome to Tuesday's
edition of Patriots Unfiltered. We are here at Jillette Stadium.
Patriots had their second day of full pads practice.

Speaker 4 (00:43):
It's in the books.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
We'll be joined later on in the show by Caius Tanga,
who stopped by right after practice and sat down with
Paul and I. But let's get right to it. It's
Mike Dussa, Evan Lazar, Paul Prolo, myself Alex is in
the booth today and let's talk about what we saw.

Speaker 5 (01:01):
I thought it was a good day for the defense,
not the best day that we've seen from camp. From
the offense in Drake, I thought it wasn't really about
the pressure. To me, it was felt like Drake was
a little off, not his best practice, and it felt
like a lot of the coverage was really good on
the receivers, which was surprised and considering that Christian Zalez,
you know, and Carlton Davis were not at practice, you
thought maybe they'd be able to take advantage of some

(01:22):
of those guys down the depth chart playing at cornerback,
but not really seem like the offense was stumbling a
little bit. They did have their moments in the red zone.
They were a handful of plays that they made well,
but overall defense one the day.

Speaker 6 (01:32):
Yeah, I would agree with Mike.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
You know, it was a lot of red zone work,
so that does make some of the windows obviously tighter
and a little bit more difficult.

Speaker 6 (01:41):
But I thought he had some opportunities.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
May you know, one in particular that really stood out
was a throw that I thought he just sort of
led too far a Hunter Henry in the back corner
of the end zone.

Speaker 6 (01:52):
You know, it wasn't without some highlight throws too.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
You had a really nice throw to what Diggs, he
threw him open. Then he threw one in the bucket
the Kyle Williams in the end zone, which was a
really nice pass.

Speaker 4 (02:03):
So you know, there was some good place too.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
And in fairness to me, I thought the receivers had
some opportunities to make some place for him. That didn't
Williams being one of them, I thought failed to to catch.
I thought, a, you know, a pretty accurate throw. The
one to Booty really stood out to me. It was
kind of layered in between the coverage on the sideline.
Good throw, really, really top notch throw for may. I

(02:26):
thought Booty was pretty active today.

Speaker 7 (02:27):
A couple of.

Speaker 6 (02:28):
Good run he was targeted more.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
He had a great block by sorry, Booty had a
great block on a toss suite to Stevenson on one
of those red zone places cracked up.

Speaker 6 (02:38):
Well, he sprung the guy for a touchdown. So it
was nice run.

Speaker 8 (02:41):
Yeah, that one was a good one, A nice toss
play and to Campbell's side, seal the edge and we
had I think Jack Westover was out in front of
that one as well. But I agree with the guys.
I think it was controlled by the defense for the
most part.

Speaker 7 (02:55):
But I think it should be.

Speaker 8 (02:56):
When you're down in the tight red zone, you're inside
the ten yard line trying to throw the ball into
the end zone, usually those types of practices favor the
defense in that situation. So again, you take the four
or five throws that he made that were highlights, and
you can put that on a highlight reel and say
he looked great, or you could say, you know, he
had I think he was about fifty percent completion rate,

(03:17):
So there were seven incompletions that you could.

Speaker 7 (03:19):
Look at those two.

Speaker 8 (03:20):
But I think the biggest thing, just from two days
in pads it I've come away with is that the
two rookie offensive lineman looked like they can play, and
that's a really exciting development for that group. Will Campbell
and Jared Wilson both looked the part so far. And
I thought Jared Wilson was really really good today, especially.

Speaker 7 (03:37):
In one on ones.

Speaker 4 (03:38):
He was just you know, engaging his guy and just
stoning him.

Speaker 9 (03:43):
Yeah whatever.

Speaker 8 (03:43):
It was Milton Williams and Christian Barmore too, So we're
not talking about, you know, down the depth chart here
at the defensive tackle position. So my excitement level for
those two guys is out of ten. My concern level
for some of the veteran players that they brought in
in free agency is maybe getting a little bit higher.
You know, Morgan Moses left practice today with something and

(04:04):
I don't think he's looked great. Milton Williams at times
hasn't necessarily stood out either, so I'd like to see
a little bit more from those guys. But the rookie
lineman looked terrific so far, So that's exciting.

Speaker 10 (04:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
I mean I still say, you know, we had tong
in here and he said, you know, we're going full speed.
We're not going to the ground, but we're going full speed.
I just I just still don't think it really is
you know, like you're not up front.

Speaker 11 (04:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
Really, I think I think they're like they're they're moving
at full speed, but there's not that intention to like
be too violent, you know.

Speaker 4 (04:38):
I Cause so I do put.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
Evidently you have to temper your enthusiasm.

Speaker 4 (04:45):
Yeah, I put a little caution on all of this
so far. I mean we're two days into pads.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
Let's give me the joint practices next week and and
then I think we can start to form more concrete opinions.

Speaker 7 (04:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (04:58):
And I'll say this about Milton Williams. I I don't
think Milan Williams is necessarily a flashy rusher. I think
his go to move his speed to power and I
don't know if like that type of stuff is really
He's not like one of these defensive tackles that's like
spinning and ripping and doing all these crazy moves all
the time, Like that's not really his game. So I
kind of look at him as more of like a

(05:18):
game player than a practice player. And I'm not like
concerned of that Melon Williams is going to be a
buster or anything like that.

Speaker 7 (05:24):
Moses, though, it worries me.

Speaker 8 (05:25):
Like he's thirty four years old, he's coming off a
major knee injury from last season that he played through,
and he's been in and out and he hasn't looked
great when he's been in. So it's just something that's
on my radar. And you know, Deuces guy Trey Jacobs
is taking a lot of those reps at right tackle
when Moses isn't there, so they don't really have a
great solution to that problem if it's not Morgan Moses.

Speaker 7 (05:46):
So it's just something to monitor.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
I was going up the elevator with one of Paul's guys.
I won't mention his name, but he's like worried about
our left tackle, very concerned, very concerned, and this is
before practice, and I was like, okay, I said, he's
gonna be fine.

Speaker 4 (06:02):
I don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 7 (06:04):
It's like I mean, this is shaping up to me
right now.

Speaker 5 (06:06):
I think I might have bigger questions about the center
and left guard position than I do about the tackles.
Not to say I don't have questions about the right
tackle position for sure, but we've gotten to a point now,
right now where I'm like, jeez, I hope Bill Campbell
is good and can provide some kind of stability because
right now, I don't know what the season long answer
is at center at les so far.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
Like I've seen one rep in one on ones where
Keon White beat him.

Speaker 4 (06:29):
That was yesterday. Today he looked fine.

Speaker 8 (06:31):
Yeah, I mean he won both his reps today. I
should mention one against Keon, one against Chase On. Chason
got him a couple of times, and one early one
late in sort of more team periods. But I think
what you're seeing from Campbell's what I expected. He's already,
in my mind, a really good run blocker, Like I
think he's going to be a great run blocker right

(06:53):
out of the gate. The pass protection, I think it's
more about adjusting to his limitations and how that's going
to work at this level, and how he's going to
protect against his length and all that kind of stuff
and sort of learning how to keep guys out of
his frame and keep guys especially that are speed rushers
that can turn the corner tightly like a chase on, Like,

(07:13):
how do I get out to those guys without compromising
the inside?

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Ye, he's got to rely on his athleticism in his
quick feet.

Speaker 8 (07:20):
Yeah, right, So how can you know he set out
to get his hands on a chase on when he
chase on speed rushes off the edge. But then you
don't want to open the inside and lose your leverage,
So you have to kind of find that sweet spot
that he's sort of still working on, I would say.
But like I said, Wilson and Campbell really excite me. Like,
I think those two guys are headed in the great

(07:42):
direction right now. If anybody on the line worries me,
it's right tackle. Like, I think they'll figure out the interior.
And I think Campbell's gonna be fine. But overall, I
this practice was more about the passing offense than it
was about the line. I didn't think the line was
a problem today, and I thought it was more about
the receivers and the quarterback.

Speaker 5 (08:00):
And I just pull on the threat on chase on
focus on him. I think he's been a really nice surprise.
I talked a lot about my concerns on you know,
the edge guys and the leadership he's brought, the way
he was answering questions the other day, seen some of
the veteran mentorships. I'm working with Trade Jacobs a little
bit on the field after practice.

Speaker 7 (08:17):
I think he's poised to have a really good season.

Speaker 5 (08:19):
It seems like the vrabel was asked about him a
couple of days ago, and you know, first round pick
never really lived up to it in Jacksonville, had a
pretty good year last year in Vegas.

Speaker 7 (08:28):
So I think he's been a real surprise.

Speaker 5 (08:29):
And one other guy I just think we need to
highlight because I've been hard on him, as Javon Baker.
I think he's kind of started to poke his head
out a little bit the last couple of days and
make some plays. It seems like he's earning a few
more opportunities with the upper level reps that he wasn't
necessarily getting a week ago. So he's a guy to
me that is maybe you know, and Javon and Jalen
Polk caught a pass today as well, But I think

(08:50):
Javon Baker maybe making a little bit bit of a push.

Speaker 7 (08:52):
Here, which he needs to do. He needs to take
advantage of the opportunities.

Speaker 8 (08:56):
Chason has been their best edge rusher. I'd say through
six practices he's been the most noticeable guy winning the
pass rush. Got Campbell with a cross drop today, which
is his go to move, like he's He's looked really
good now. A lot of this is run, you know,
pass heavy practices. He's a pass rusher. You know, that's
his role, so you expect him to be able to
stand out. But I'm gonna do some on that. I

(09:18):
think he's probably been the most noticeable player on defense. Besides,
you know, when Barmore gets in there, Barmore rex the game.

Speaker 7 (09:24):
He just takes over. But Barmore is yeah, Cha has
been good. Also worth mentioning too.

Speaker 5 (09:29):
Through these practices that it seems the coaching staff is
taking efforts to manage Barmore just a tiny bit.

Speaker 4 (09:33):
Now.

Speaker 5 (09:33):
He played almost all of it today, which was a
good sign. But you know the earlier days pads he
would come out a little bit more. So I think
they're just being precautious with him and the you know,
the book Cutts thing making sure that that doesn't come back.
But oh my god, Evans right, he's he's he's a
force in the middle. And it makes me you know,
we think we spent so much time focusing on Milton Williams.
It's like if Christian Barmore starts to really get back
to what we thought Christian Barmore could be before last

(09:55):
year and everything got derailed. I mean, he might be
the best player on the whole defense if if he's
able to fully come back.

Speaker 7 (10:01):
So it's exciting.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yeah, I mean we mentioned Keon White earlier. He seems
a step quicker to me than he was last year.
Not not as stiff, a little bit faster around the edge.

Speaker 5 (10:12):
It made me part of the scheme too, of just
going and getting it. Yeah, you know, could be part
of it. And he's a key guy and had my
eye on him a lot. I'm curious how he, you know, translates.
He always looks tough to again an interior rep today,
I forget.

Speaker 8 (10:23):
To had a couple against the guard backup guards today
that he just.

Speaker 7 (10:27):
Took our lunch money. It was good to see that.

Speaker 8 (10:29):
But we know he can rush on the guards like
that's that's a really big strength of his the edge rushing.
He's admitted, openly admitted that he's not as good out there,
you know, outside the tackles. So I think he's looked
okay at times, but you know there's other times where
Campbell's gotten him. But that's been a great one on
one there, like it's been all every practice, it's been

(10:49):
Campbell versus keyon White and iron sharpens iron hopefully, and
those two guys have been going at it.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
Yeah, But as we said before, I would say, and
I agree with Evan, the biggest person, the person who's
making the biggest push right now is Jared Wilson.

Speaker 6 (11:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 5 (11:03):
Mean, and they need him to and it's no question
why they're giving him every opportunity because if he can
provide that stability, it's just one of those spots. I mean,
we were talking about it. Maybe it's asking a lot
for a rookie to come in at center being David Andrews,
another Georgia guy, did do it. But still I think
he's got the talent and the athleticism to contribute and
stabilize the way.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
I love his athleticism, you know, no question. And then
Bradbury got banged up late in practice, so that's something
to keep an eye on going forward. Bradbury didn't do
the conditioning runs at the end with the rest of
our team, So maybe tomorrow you see Jared Wilson right
from the right from jump.

Speaker 8 (11:38):
Okay, Bradbury got stepped on in the pile, so hopefully
it's just that. But with Wilson, I at this point,
if it continues this way with Wilson, I don't know
how he's not starting. I just don't know where. Just
take your lumps alright, Like I I'm not sure if
it's going to be left guard center, but if he
plays this well throughout the entire camp, then he's got
to be starting.

Speaker 5 (11:57):
Yeah, it's really just sorry if I real quick, just yesterday
was really hot. Today was really hot, full pads like
this little trio of practices, guys leaving you say, guys
looking hot afterwards, looking you know, like they're about to collapse.
Really gonna be a challenging practice tomorrow. I think like
mental toughness, and that to me sets a great stage
for Drake. Maybe because a lot of the throws Drake
missed today, I felt like I've seen him make that

(12:18):
throw you know some of them. I just I didn't
really get like, well, it seemed to me a little
bit like he was off and hopefully tomorrow similar conditions
it's hot, hopefully he can bounce back because it's it's
gonna be I think a similar practice script Again, one
of my.

Speaker 3 (12:30):
Things with May that I've noticed is it's almost backwards.
He makes his better throw as well moving. Yeah, when
he's kind of clean in the pocket and just regular
pocket passer, I think sometimes he loses his accuracy.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
A little bit.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
Yeah, which is odd, you know, because you guys mentioned
the protection wasn't really an issue today, and I thought he.

Speaker 6 (12:51):
Was a little bit off.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
So it's like a guy who can hit his runner,
but he can't hit free throws, right.

Speaker 5 (12:57):
I was noticing a little bit of a yeah the pup,
the pump pulled down a little bit.

Speaker 7 (13:02):
You just want to see clean motion throw foom, you
know it goes. But I think Drake will be okay.

Speaker 5 (13:08):
I think this ultimately is probably a good practice because
they're probably turning the screws on him right now and saying,
you know, it wasn't wasn't a great day for him.
But I think that's what training camp is. It's ups
and downs, and they're gonna be games that are down
like this too. You're gonna have to bounce back. So
it's nice stage stepher tomorrow though.

Speaker 4 (13:21):
For him, we.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
Mentioned Davis and Gonzales out. Davis has been out. Gonzales
left practice yesterday with something with his leg. Jordan Schultz
is reporting that it's a hamstring uh and that his
uh you know, September is and in jeopardy because of it.
So I don't know where he's getting his information from,
but let's hope he's right.

Speaker 5 (13:42):
Well, I mean, Gonzalez popped his head out at the
end of practice. I think a lot of the you know,
reporters saw him and.

Speaker 7 (13:47):
His leg was still attached. He yeah, was still walking,
so I think he's gonna be okay.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
But yeah, they say he wasn't limping, so that means
he didn't completely tear it. He probably just tweaked it, yeah,
you know, and he's you know, precautioned, you know, want
to make sure.

Speaker 7 (14:01):
I mean, I'm in the Plo school of hamstring injuries.
Scare me a little bit, like.

Speaker 12 (14:05):
I know, always many guys they don't worry the cranberry,
see they worry me for speed guys like that's like
if you're like a guard and you pull a hamstring,
you know, I'm okay with that.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
But when you're a corner or a receiver and you
rely on your legs like those can linger I mean.

Speaker 8 (14:22):
In season sure, like, because obviously that would cause you
to potentially miss games.

Speaker 6 (14:26):
This time of year, I'm not as concerned about.

Speaker 7 (14:28):
I'll see you week one gone.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
Yeah, I'm just about to say, don't push it, because
that's what happens. You get these soft tissues they try
to get on and then you re injure it.

Speaker 6 (14:37):
Just just why they worry me.

Speaker 3 (14:39):
This time of year, you don't have that sort of
urgency to get back out there, and you don't have to.
I don't think he'll be tempted to say, well, I
don't want to miss the preseason games.

Speaker 6 (14:48):
No, like I hope he.

Speaker 7 (14:49):
Doesn't play anyways in the preseason games.

Speaker 6 (14:51):
You have three full weeks, four weeks.

Speaker 4 (14:53):
You know this is by design.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
I would never you know, you have you know, actually
closer to five weeks now like before you them to
be ready.

Speaker 6 (15:00):
So I'm not concerned at all, not really.

Speaker 5 (15:03):
All right now, I just say I mean it's a
little bit of a different, disappointing start for the free
agency class overall. Yeah, you know that, that to me
is what's sticking out a little bit. I like to
see a little bit more from that group on the field.
So far, it hasn't been it's been up and down.
Guys have been missing time.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
Well, it's been a mixed bag. Splaine, I think has
been active and good. I think Diggs has been better
than we all sort of hoped. I think Carlton Davis
would be sort of you know, I guess you're right
when you put it that way, Paul. I guess it
goes to what we said after twenty twenty one.

Speaker 6 (15:37):
It's a whole different guy.

Speaker 5 (15:38):
But you're right, and that's how we looked at twenty
one though in hindsight, and we said it even going
into this year, that not all these guys are going
to work out, and I think sometimes you start to
get in it.

Speaker 7 (15:49):
Look, this just start up a week of practice.

Speaker 5 (15:51):
It's not you know, we haven't written everything about them,
and Paul's right to highlight the positive of those guys,
but I think Morgan Moses has been in and out
of practice.

Speaker 7 (15:59):
Carlton Davis hadn't really practice.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
You know.

Speaker 5 (16:01):
Those those two guys make out to me absolutely, you know,
guys that were really hoping for so hopefully they can
get back. And I don't know what the plan is
with most it seems like they've been working on it
for a while.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
You know, you're going against your own guys. So if
Morgan Moses has been dominant, that had been great.

Speaker 4 (16:13):
But it's like what, Chason's not doing anything. You can't
do anything, you.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Know, So like again, let's you can't get too pumped up,
you can't get too down right now, let's just give
it some time. We're less than a week into training camp.
Let's see what happens next week when the commanders come
here and guys are playing.

Speaker 4 (16:32):
I think just that.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
Little extra juice because you're going against players from another team. Uh,
let's see what happens in that one.

Speaker 7 (16:41):
The corners don't worry me at all, Like.

Speaker 8 (16:44):
All right, Ganza, you got that guy, Carlon, you got
that guy, Like I'll see you in September.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
So I've just got one slight caveat to that. I
would agree everything about the schematic aspect of what you.

Speaker 8 (16:54):
Just don't have anything to learn, like they're getting.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
Carlton Davis has durability issues in his career. He's missing
he misses games every year, so I'm not necessarily about
the fact that he's banged up right now.

Speaker 8 (17:07):
But how much is that as the sports science saying
you no idea if we go easy on them in
training camp, like maybe that'll give him some more longevity
once the games come around. I just think it's different
when you talk about corners specifically, especially man corners, where
like there's no scheme that they're learning, like they're not
they don't have.

Speaker 6 (17:22):
To learn, not worry about the schemes at all.

Speaker 8 (17:24):
Right, Like it's not like some of these other guys
that are learning a new system like receivers, like they
have to learn and build chemistry with the quarterback and
learn routes and learn you know, timing and anticipation and
all those little things like corners. It's just you know,
you're on an island. You got your guy, and it's
that's all it is.

Speaker 5 (17:39):
I'm going to give you a little pushback because they
got to go to Miami week two and they got
to go chase around those two guys, and I hope
that's not good.

Speaker 8 (17:49):
But that's a physical concern, right, Like, like I'm saying, like,
if they have to shut Conzo down for a couple
of weeks of practice, he's not like learn missing anything
that he's supposed to.

Speaker 5 (17:57):
Be mentally, I guess I'm saying more the physical aspect
of yes, are you ready to go?

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Speaker 4 (19:38):
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Speaker 7 (19:43):
And I feel like we should just mention the kickers.

Speaker 4 (19:45):
Oh yeah, you.

Speaker 7 (19:46):
Know yesterday Park six for six. Apparently we think very little.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
I got a confirmation that, you know, from Mike Reese,
who checks with the coaching a member of the coaching staff,
he says he did.

Speaker 6 (19:58):
In fact, it's confirmed six for six.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
If I had to put my mortgage on it, I
would say he missed the fifth one, but they're going
six percent.

Speaker 5 (20:06):
We didn't watch the practice together, but we saw it
the same way. Those last two kicks looked at like
the first three. First first, fore look good.

Speaker 7 (20:14):
That's when you're looking last two.

Speaker 4 (20:16):
You know what, I think would be fun A little
bit of it wraw.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
Like every practice at the end, he either pulled somebody
from the media or somebody from the crowd to be
the person and do this.

Speaker 4 (20:26):
Yeah, that would be fun.

Speaker 6 (20:28):
Eric Alexander used to do that for us.

Speaker 4 (20:29):
You remember.

Speaker 3 (20:30):
He would always stand under the goal post and he
would come forward like that like he was like one
of those Australian rules football guy.

Speaker 7 (20:36):
He would and then to go yeah right.

Speaker 5 (20:39):
I like the two though, where you look at each
other you do the nod, and then he would do it.

Speaker 3 (20:42):
He would he would point and there'd be nobody there, point,
nod and then yeah.

Speaker 8 (20:48):
You think it's interesting how they split up the kicker reps.
Now it's like yesterday was a Romo day and today
it was a borgalisday. Instead of having them go one
after another within the practice because I feel like there's
a little bit more pressure right when like it's all
you Bergolis goes from forty one and then Romo goes
and if he makes it, then it's kind of like
a PK shootout right where it's a little bit more pressure.

(21:10):
This now they're giving all of the reps to one
kicker per day instead of doing it the other way.

Speaker 5 (21:15):
Feels still very straightforward this year with the kicking drills,
but I remember last year where they have everybody lining
around them and screaming at them and trying to disrupt them,
and it's the same special teams coaches. I just I
wonder if they'll get back to that. If they've gotten
away from that, they're going to continue to perhaps.

Speaker 8 (21:29):
Have been good though, which I have something I've been
noting operation.

Speaker 6 (21:34):
I haven't noticed any issues.

Speaker 7 (21:35):
I haven't said Julian Ashby's name once, which.

Speaker 4 (21:38):
So you have to make a decision right now, who
do you keep.

Speaker 8 (21:42):
I think it's close enough to yeah, it's I mean
it's yeah, it's but you put the other guy on.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
The practice squad just in case, keep him keep him
on ice.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
Yeah, I think if you can I mean, I guess
I'll be the turn in the punch bowl. I think
we're almost kicked better.

Speaker 8 (21:57):
I would agree, but I don't think it's I don't
think that it's so different that I'm not I'm cutting
a guy I drafted this year to keep Parker Romo,
who I do think would probably make it to the
practice squad unless he has like some crazy kicks and season.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
I would also say that the coaching staff is certainly
dealing with a lot more information in terms of what
Parker Romo is, you know, at this stage of his career.
I'm just judging it off of six days, right, That's
not how these decisions get made on the six days.
To me, there has been a discernible difference. I think
Romo kicks them normally every time, and Boragalis has at

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least a couple every day that don't look right, even
ones that go through. So based on that, I would
say Romo. But that's not, like I said, they have
a whole you know, backlog of you know, information on
Romo and why they drafted Boragalis. I might say it's

(22:53):
been a it's a little bit of a struggle after
a week, but it'll work itself out.

Speaker 4 (22:57):
But that's interesting.

Speaker 7 (22:58):
Ones are a good point.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
If they go through he made today that I would
not feel great about.

Speaker 4 (23:04):
It, right he hit those wobbly.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
When they go through, it means you have a lot
of power behind it and you're you're hitting through the mishit,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (23:12):
But that's not a good sign, especially once the.

Speaker 8 (23:14):
Weather starts to turn and it's yeh cold.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
Or there's been no weather, there's no like wind wind,
you know, that's that's really affected. Maybe one day the
wind may have had an effect on some of the
longer kicks, but not much.

Speaker 6 (23:27):
It's been pretty hot and humid, good good kicking conditions.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
We should mention, you know, thoughts go out to the
people at the NFL offices and everyone in that building
at Park Avenue yesterday with what happened, particularly the loss
of life from the police officer. Just not a good
scene over there. And I know NFL dot com or
they're social they've gone dark today.

Speaker 4 (23:49):
They're not posting.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
Because if you were there, that's kind of a scary,
scary time.

Speaker 6 (23:56):
Yeah, you know you have a shelter in place, yeah, hide.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Yeah, And apparently the guy took the wrong elevator. Otherwise
he was going for the NFL offices. He you know,
the reports, So they'd had a note in his pocket
about CTE and this whole thing. So yeah, so not
a good situation, all right, eight five five Pats five
hundred is the hotline. Let's get it open to you.

(24:22):
We'll start with Todd and Gardner. What's up Todd?

Speaker 13 (24:26):
Hey, guys, I've been loving the camp coverage, but I've got.

Speaker 14 (24:30):
A quick question.

Speaker 13 (24:32):
Previous years, you guys would shut the camera down, but
you'd stay and watch and give it kind of play
by play, a little bit of highlights. I know you
couldn't help exactly like a bry Woods or anything, but
that was really great just to hear the inflection is
in your voices, the excitement, the disappointment from time to time.
Two and you guys have been doing that this year.
Is there a reason why did they ask you not to?

Speaker 4 (24:53):
No, they didn't ask us not to.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
We decided not to because I didn't feel it was
very good content. Not a lot of people were actually
listening at that point. You know, the numbers wise, you know,
we we we know how many you know, and so
like there was a big drop off so we just
didn't think it was worth it.

Speaker 5 (25:13):
It also ate into how much we could actually watch
an analyze practice because you're worried about not having dead
air and trying to relay stuff, whereas now we can
really focus on it and then come in either here
or in the camp cast and get into what the
details were that happened, rather.

Speaker 7 (25:27):
Than oh, that was a big play by Gonzalez. We
can't tell exactly what happened, but that kind of thing.

Speaker 9 (25:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (25:32):
And plus there's like w Ee I and some of
the other guys that are live casting and you can
watch there or something, So I guess there are other options.
I just prefer you guys.

Speaker 4 (25:41):
All right, Okay, thanks Todd, Thanks Todd.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
Well anyone else that's doing it live, they can't be
showing anything, you know, I hope.

Speaker 10 (25:51):
So.

Speaker 4 (25:52):
No, their cameras are on right them right. Mike's on
lung Island. What's up, Mike, A gentleman?

Speaker 2 (26:00):
How we're doing?

Speaker 11 (26:01):
All?

Speaker 7 (26:01):
Right?

Speaker 11 (26:03):
Then read yet?

Speaker 4 (26:05):
What do you say? I didn't say that again? Did
you do?

Speaker 7 (26:08):
Then read the bront reads?

Speaker 4 (26:10):
Oh not yet, but we will Mike. You work for Brunt.

Speaker 15 (26:14):
No, No, the good rule anyway?

Speaker 11 (26:20):
Uh So all the book talk the last couple of
weeks and the Jaws talk.

Speaker 15 (26:24):
I don't wanted to.

Speaker 14 (26:25):
Call him half they able to. I read the book,
the Jaws Book, and it's way better.

Speaker 5 (26:32):
The movie sounds like an affair going on, and well
we're not talking to Jaws today.

Speaker 4 (26:38):
But thanks Mike.

Speaker 3 (26:38):
That might be the first person I've ever heard say that.
I know a lot of people that have read the book.
I read the book and I thought the book was
I mean, the.

Speaker 7 (26:45):
Movie was was actually good Ties, and.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
Yeah, they had all kinds of like this complicated affairs.
You know, Hopper has an affair with with bro It's
like mafia ties, and that the mayor is like compromised.

Speaker 4 (26:57):
I read the book and the movie is much better.

Speaker 6 (27:00):
That's what I hear more often than not.

Speaker 5 (27:02):
Yeah, I will say though, I am about halfway through
Casino Royale. I jumped into my first James Bond book
and interesting, it's very Yeah, well it's it's nice to
just read a James Bunnen just interpret him as a
character and I'll think about like Sean Connery or any
of the guys that acted us.

Speaker 7 (27:15):
So it's very, very short, very sparse book. That was
what was interesting to me. So I'll full report for everybody.

Speaker 4 (27:20):
Okay, all right, but.

Speaker 7 (27:22):
Casino Royal is the first book.

Speaker 5 (27:23):
They didn't make that one until Daniel Craig, So I
was like, why are they why they mix up with
Connery back in the fifth The books are written in
the fifties and then they jump right into like book
five was the first one.

Speaker 4 (27:31):
All right, we'll get that.

Speaker 6 (27:34):
Fred's not happy with this.

Speaker 4 (27:35):
I just want to get football.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
We just got out of time, so I just want
to make sure that we're talking football for a little
bit before people will yell at us.

Speaker 16 (27:44):
Well.

Speaker 5 (27:44):
I have my eye though on obviously the cornerbacks and
and Paul mentioned did you mention DJ James and this one?

Speaker 7 (27:49):
DJ James, Alex Austin and Marcela Style.

Speaker 5 (27:52):
So those are the you know, guys behind the scenes
that these injuries linger or they pop up during the season.

Speaker 7 (27:58):
These are the guys they're looking at.

Speaker 5 (28:00):
Alex Austin talked after practice, still talking to Uncle Willie McGinnis.

Speaker 7 (28:03):
Mike Greasee asked him. He said, Willie told him exactly.

Speaker 5 (28:06):
What to expect from Mike Rabel, So, you know, just
looking for rout s Austin to start the year like
he finished the last two years he made you know,
he had some good contributions at the end, battled injuries
the start of these last two seasons, so hopefully he's
able to mix in and provide some insurance behind Davis
and it's AWESO.

Speaker 9 (28:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (28:22):
I don't know if Marcel's dials an outside corner, but
he's played a little bit in the slot at the
nickel spot and he's looked pretty good there. I thought
he had pretty good coverage on Hunter Henry a couple
of times today and was really good against the run
yesterday in that run heavy practice. So I wonder you know,
they talked a lot about big Nichols and getting some
more size there, and you know who's exactly going to

(28:43):
cover tight ends when they do face the team like
right out of the shoot with brock Bauers in Week one,
Like who's going to cover him? And maybe Dials somebody
that can play more of like a slot nickel safety
type of role.

Speaker 7 (28:55):
He's a good tackler.

Speaker 5 (28:57):
Marcus Jones two has had some injury issues like pretty
much of the years, so you need to ensure I
don't know.

Speaker 8 (29:01):
If I love him on the outside, but if that
says the role they have in mind for dial.

Speaker 7 (29:05):
I don't mind that.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
That's an interesting point about Bowers, and we'll probably you know,
a couple of weeks away from really sort of diving
into that. But it's something that I have been thinking
about because Marcus Jones not big enough for that for
that role, and I do think they need a corner
on him.

Speaker 6 (29:22):
Not I don't.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
I don't like the idea of the safeties unless they
just wanted to try to rough them up. But I
think that's a dangerous game you're playing. I don't know
if Craig Woodson or you know, Marcus Epst, I don't
think those guys are necessarily you know, at that stage,
you might need an Alex Austin or a Marcella's dial.

Speaker 6 (29:38):
As Evan just mentioned.

Speaker 7 (29:40):
Would you ever go gonzo upon him about you? Could
you could do that?

Speaker 3 (29:46):
Because it's really only Jacoby Myers, like that's going to
scare you, you know, as a receiver, and he's not
really even going to scare you. He's just a good
professional receiver. But they they don't really have much else before.

Speaker 7 (29:58):
I think it's the rookie right why elder Thornton Mellon.

Speaker 8 (30:03):
I wonder about Davis uh on Bowers like long physical
corner and Carlon Davis maybe he plays Bowers and then
you put Gonzo on Jacobe Myers.

Speaker 4 (30:15):
And good luck, yeah, and then we win.

Speaker 8 (30:18):
And then we went with Turner in a fast like
Pop Douglas type, right, So, like I wonder if maybe
that's the matchup. Like Carlon Davis seems like the type
of guy that could that could give Bowers some problems,
you know.

Speaker 7 (30:31):
I mean he's a special player.

Speaker 5 (30:32):
He's the kind of guy where you might need to
get a little bit outside of the box.

Speaker 7 (30:35):
Thinking that kind of thing too.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
Yeah, I think you need someone with corner cover ability
on him, and I think Davis that makes a lot
of sense.

Speaker 8 (30:43):
You got to worry about genty but that the Raiders
are going to go and win twelve games. As I'm
hyping up all their skilled players, but they, I mean
probably gonna want to have a decent amount of guys
in the box, seven eight guys in the box against
gent And you just realized.

Speaker 5 (30:57):
That the way we're looking at all these teams is
the same way they're looking at us. It's like that's
a winnable game. The paid like every one of these
teams were saying the Raiders are a winnable game. The
Raiders are saying the Patriots winnable game.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
Yep Emery writes in red zone work, he puts in
quotes can meet a lot of different things.

Speaker 4 (31:13):
Was it first and ten from the.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
Twenty third and go from the five first quarter trailing
in the fourth Drake's incentive to force the ball or
throw it away are massively different depending on the details.

Speaker 4 (31:23):
Can you please expand and what red zone work meant today? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (31:27):
Sure, yeah, I mean it's I can give it right
to you. They started seven on seven in the red
zone and then they moved into eleven on eleven. The
first portion was going from the thirty five into the eighteen,
and they were those were running through first, second, third
downs consistently. The second one they moved to the eighteen,
did four reps there, and then the final one was

(31:47):
red zone plus twelve to the plus three, so right
down to the end. But a lot of those were yeah,
like the touchdown throw to Diggs was a third down
touchdown throw. A couple of the couple of the groupings
they had four reps, but for the most part it
was first, second, third down for Drake or for Dobbs,
whoever was in there at those specific yardages. So you're
totally right, that's that's good context to provide it.

Speaker 7 (32:09):
It was fair.

Speaker 5 (32:10):
It wasn't live scrimmage, but it was first, second, third
down that side of the field that you're you're building
up towards.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
Actual I would just say that none of it was
got to have it place like, none of it was
like he's just forcing it because you know, it doesn't
matter if it's incomplete or not.

Speaker 6 (32:25):
The game's over. There were no situations like.

Speaker 5 (32:26):
You've never gotten the sense in this camp that's happened
in camps before, where it's very able putting the ball
in all right offense, whoever wins this gets push ups.

Speaker 6 (32:33):
There hasn't been any of that kind of stuff either
where it was.

Speaker 3 (32:36):
And I would also say that it doesn't really matter
what quarter it is, you know, unless, like I said,
it's like the game is ending and it's you know,
you lose if this is incomplete, you don't want to
like throw it away. Yeah, you know you're forcing one
in there. But these practice reps doesn't matter.

Speaker 6 (32:54):
If it's first quarter or fourth quarter.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
It's you know, yeah, they're trying to execute the red
score points.

Speaker 4 (33:01):
That's the job.

Speaker 8 (33:01):
They did have some quarterback round stuff in there today
that I thought was interesting.

Speaker 6 (33:06):
But I know I was talking about that.

Speaker 7 (33:08):
It didn't go so.

Speaker 8 (33:09):
Hot, I would say, but you know, that's that's again
another thing that's gonna take some timing and you know,
a chemistry to build it, the mesh points and all
that fancy stuff. But it was I'm interested, you know,
I'm a little bit excited.

Speaker 7 (33:24):
As a little bit about it too. I don't know
if you heard that, but yeah.

Speaker 8 (33:27):
It's good that it's in there, and we'll see how
much they actually end up using it. But you know,
I've been found on the table for it, especially in
the low red zone, like down by the goal line,
like he can just waltz right in if you know
the end crashes, He's just gonna walk into the end zone.
So you might as well have him be a threat
to at least be able to do that. So we'll
see how much of that they end up doing. But

(33:47):
there was some of that today.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
John Wrightson and Paul will love this email. Are you
guys only going to slam Drake May for two hours?
He's been excellent every other day.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
Well, I would say he wasn't excellent on Saturday. He
was up and down on Saturday. I thought he was
better than most other people thought he was. But I
don't think he was excellent on Saturday under anybody's of you.
So we're gonna comment on what he's what he's like
that day. I'm not going to tell you that he was.
I mean, Kyle Williams was really good on last Wednesday.

(34:18):
I haven't really seen a whole lot from him since today.

Speaker 14 (34:21):
Today.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
I thought he had a horrific back shoulder dropped today
on one of the best throws that May made.

Speaker 7 (34:26):
He did have him dropped into the end zone.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
It was down it was downfield. I don't know if
it was in the end zone, but it was a
great time level. Yeah, and that's what you have trouble seeing.
And that's why I saw it perfectly. He has hit
him perfect hit him right on the shoulder.

Speaker 6 (34:41):
And he dropped.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
Because one of our emails, you were saying you don't
like using binoculars. He was saying that they have a
new thing that you might be interested in. There were
some glasses.

Speaker 4 (34:49):
I wear glasses to see distance.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
Yes, I mean that's I wear contact lenses so I
can see so wise, I would.

Speaker 4 (34:57):
Walk into the trouble.

Speaker 6 (34:58):
See there's a long your way.

Speaker 4 (35:00):
So why didn't you use the binoculars.

Speaker 3 (35:02):
I don't like binocars. I like to see everybody. I
don't want to just see the two guys that you
can see in the monocotar.

Speaker 4 (35:07):
That's not how binoculars work. Pull I kind of a
bunch of things.

Speaker 6 (35:11):
You zoom in on one individual, you.

Speaker 4 (35:13):
Don't have to. I see. I see a whole line
when I'm in.

Speaker 3 (35:17):
I told the boys today that it was interesting that today,
after we had the whole thing yesterday, they did everything
down the.

Speaker 6 (35:24):
Far end of the field.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
I was like, no, we were.

Speaker 6 (35:27):
They could probably see a little bit better than me today.

Speaker 3 (35:29):
Now I wouldn't have been able to see because it
was even further away from it. But it's like, you
have a problem seeing one hundred feet, so let's go
four hundred feet in the air so it's even further away.

Speaker 6 (35:39):
Like that, that's a good solution. I would good suggestion.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
I would take things that Paul says with a little
grain of salt, because he's not really even through millions.

Speaker 4 (35:48):
Of people I know.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
Evan watches the game unlike you did you see the
early It was an early reping team. It was maybe
the second series of plays that that Drake had. I
thought the timing was perfect on a back shoulder throw
that Kyle Williams job to give me that.

Speaker 6 (36:05):
It's interesting.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
There's only one guy here that didn't see it. You
he saw, but he just blocked it out of his
memory because time did.

Speaker 4 (36:14):
I not.

Speaker 3 (36:15):
But not on the air. You're saying that I couldn't
see it because I was at field.

Speaker 4 (36:18):
But you have troubles perfect. You have trouble seeing. You
admit it. You have trouble seeing.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
I do have trouble saying, but I saw that, So
we have to Yeah, the negative one. But you know
some people have rose colored. You know, he has this
like dark cloud colored.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
Now now, now I'm not anymore too negative. I've been
getting made fun of it being too positive all camp.
Now I'm too negative.

Speaker 8 (36:39):
I have I just the email or don't want me
to get They can have their own takes.

Speaker 7 (36:44):
That's okay. But I think Drake's been fine. I think
he has been too.

Speaker 8 (36:48):
I don't like he hasn't completed every pass, but like
I've seen exactly what I wanted to see out of
him for the most part, Like he is not going
to be Tom Brady. He's not going to complete seventy
five percent of the pass in a training camp. Practice
is not the style.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
I've had no issues with Drake may. I don't think
today was one of his better days.

Speaker 7 (37:05):
I agree with you. But he's going to have those sprays.

Speaker 8 (37:08):
He's going to have the erratic throws, and he's probably
going to have what three four of them a game
that you're like, where was that one going? But then
he's also going to drop one in the bucket of
Pop Douglas sixty yards down the field off platform, and
you're going to be like, oh right, yep, Like that's
that's why he's The throat that was so good.

Speaker 6 (37:24):
I think I've written about it three different times, right.

Speaker 8 (37:26):
So, like, you know, the throat of booty at the
end of practice. I thought was ending it on a
high note. I thought he made a nice throw that
Fred mentioned earlier, the feeder throat of Stefan Dix, you know,
right over Craig Woodson.

Speaker 7 (37:37):
Williams fade.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
Yep, but Kyle Williams fade touchdown when they work in
the hut in there in the red zone.

Speaker 4 (37:46):
It's not that hard, but it has. Tony told me,
who's Tony?

Speaker 5 (37:55):
It's funny that this email though he's right in so
we would stop talking about it, and now we're just
going to double down on top about Drake's day.

Speaker 6 (38:01):
Just like I don't I don't really have time for children.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
I really don't like if you don't want to hear that,
like the offensive line has been an issue at times,
don't listen.

Speaker 6 (38:11):
Just pretend it's not an issue. If you don't want
to hear that.

Speaker 3 (38:15):
Drake May made a lot of really good throws that
were really tough on Saturday, but he also missed some.

Speaker 6 (38:20):
Don't listen, Like I don't want to tell you not
to listen.

Speaker 3 (38:23):
Obviously we want everybody that we can, but I can't
just make it up right now.

Speaker 4 (38:28):
I'm only kidding. Oh, I know you.

Speaker 5 (38:29):
And that's what's like funny, is like Evan and I
watched practice and I walk down, you know, go right
up to Paul and would you think and it's just like, yeah,
we both watched the same practice.

Speaker 4 (38:37):
You know, that's for everybody. Everybody.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
No, there's times where, like as I said on Saturday,
I had all of those guys making fun of me
because I thought, because of the level of difficulty on
some of the throws that Drake May was pretty good
on Saturday. Everybody else that covered the practice thought he
was really erratic, and I was like, Oh, it's kind
of hard to complete a twenty five yard over route

(39:04):
with a guy in your grill. Today he didn't have
guys in his grill as often, so when he was
missing some throws today, I was a little bit less
forgiving on some of the misfires. Tomorrow he might be
perfect and we'll say that he was perfect.

Speaker 8 (39:19):
I just feel like, you know, I think the scribes
had him seven for fourteen today, and given where the
field position was and where they were working, like I
kind of expect a quarterback to go seven for fourteen
when they're throwing the ball from the three yard line,
like those are going to be tight windows, those are
gonna be hard passes to complete. So I'm not surprised
that it wasn't perfect. And I don't think his accuracy

(39:40):
is perfect, Like, I don't think he's a precision quarterback.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
You know, It's so funny here in New England because
other than Tom Brady, we've never had a hot you know,
a top quarterback to watch in training camp.

Speaker 4 (39:53):
You know Cam Newton and Mac Jones, and.

Speaker 7 (39:56):
I don't forget about Bailey Zappy.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
Though, you know, so, like I wonder what it looks
like at other places for you know, like like.

Speaker 4 (40:04):
One of the better quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
Like what does the first week of practice look like
for you know a quarterback, like a top fifteen quarterback.

Speaker 5 (40:13):
Let's say, I mean, I just say real quick for me, like,
I've been surprised at how well Drake has looked through
these early practices. I expected that there would be some hesitation,
some not quite knowing where to go with it, that
kind of thing. But he's been really good picking up
the offense. It seems like knowing where to go with
the ball being decisive. So the last couple of days

(40:35):
and I'm probably a little bit more on the everybody
making fun of Paul side than Paul's side. From Saturdays,
I thought he was erratic and missed some throws, but
again today, like I thought a lot of those, I've
seen him make those throws and it's not like the
offense looks like too much for him. It's not push
the panic button. Anybody who played sports they ever have
a bad day of practice where you felt a little off,
Well maybe that was what today was. But again that

(40:56):
what I'm excited now is to see how does he
bounce back tomorrow? How does he take this performance with
which Again, the first thing Harold Landry says is the
offense kind of took it to us that, you know,
and the coaches were kind of on us and we
so now it's time for the offense to try to
respond and get their buzzing gear.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
Rick in Riverside, Rhode Island, he has two points. Booty
may not be a number one, but he's solid and
had some big plays last year. Do you see him
benefiting from Josh's system and Diggs drawing more attention? I
think he can be a fifty sixty catch eight to
ten touchdown player. And his second point is the O
line looks much improved with a talent in flux creating

(41:32):
strong camp competition. Do you see Remandre benefiting from a
revamped O line. I know we had the fumbles last year,
but he is still a good to great running back.
So the first point, what about Booty.

Speaker 7 (41:46):
Pody a nice practice say?

Speaker 5 (41:47):
I think Paul said a couple of days ago feels
like he's a little bit of a slow starter. I
think he's been a little bit more quiet than Diggs
and Douglas have been.

Speaker 7 (41:53):
Through the early practices.

Speaker 5 (41:55):
But as Evan pointed out, he caught a TD to
wrap up today, you know, from Drake nice throw.

Speaker 7 (41:59):
So I think he's absolutely in the mix. I don't
evenally consider him on the bubble.

Speaker 5 (42:05):
We'll see how it develops over the course of the
year if Kyle Williams maybe is able to eat into
some of his snaps.

Speaker 7 (42:10):
He's been good, but he's he's been solid. Yeah, I
mean it's not flashy, you know, he's not you know,
but I think he's for the role that they need
him for. I think he'll be He'll be pretty.

Speaker 8 (42:19):
Eight to ten touchdowns is a lot. I would say,
maybe you're closer to him potentially on the reception side,
Like I don't necessarily watch key Shan Boody and think,
like red zone threat that all of a sudden he's
going to start racking up a bunch of touchdowns.

Speaker 4 (42:31):
But I.

Speaker 8 (42:34):
Think that for the role that they want that X
receiver to play, which in the past has been referred
to as just like a sacrificial X, Like you're basically
just on the outside taking taking the top off, you know,
occupying the deep safety. If you're one on one backside,
you might get a target like that that role. I
don't see why he can't do that. I mean, hopefully

(42:54):
it's down the route, down the line. They can upgrade
that spot. But for the time being, he's the best
that they got.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
What do you think about run blocking? Can you make
any judgment yet?

Speaker 8 (43:06):
It's it's been good. I think through two practices. It's
two practices, so I think it's premature to make any
big judgments. But like Campbell and Jared Wilson could really
help their run blocking. You know, they're both really good
run blockers, really athletic players as well, so it kind
of allows them to do some different things, you know,
whether it's like tossing or getting up to the second
level or pulling, you know, either one of those guys,

(43:28):
Like they have that athleticism and that movement skill, so
I think they're gonna be able to run the ball
a little bit if this continues to progress.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
This Dirrection and Campbell he does seem like a maller
in the run game. He does once he gets his
mits on a guy.

Speaker 4 (43:42):
It's all over.

Speaker 7 (43:43):
Yeah, he moves his feet. Well he's aggressive and.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
Yeah, let's go to the phones.

Speaker 4 (43:48):
James is in belize. What's up?

Speaker 15 (43:51):
James, Hey break, Yes, I don't want to talk about football.

Speaker 4 (44:00):
Okay, you don't want to talk about football.

Speaker 15 (44:05):
This is first of all, because I'll call you from
the middle of nowhere.

Speaker 7 (44:08):
Oh double o seven?

Speaker 1 (44:09):
Is that you?

Speaker 9 (44:10):
I like it?

Speaker 6 (44:13):
What's up?

Speaker 13 (44:13):
So?

Speaker 15 (44:13):
Yeah, so's not very much. I'm a visit, like, visiting
all the local bars to try and find the official
Patriot bar here, trying to represent the fan club. But
obviously that takes a lot of information and things like that.
So I just thought i'd check in and see how things are.
I think I think mostly like Paul and Mike, there

(44:35):
are definitely fans, so I think of the majority of
the stick by you, I'm cautiously optimistic about eight wins.
If I squinted, I think I can see, you know,
maybe ten wins, but you know, we'll see how it gets. Yeah,
those are Michaels.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
Listen if they have eight wins, even eight wins, and
thanks James. Even eight wins is four better than last year,
and some things will have to go right.

Speaker 4 (44:59):
Now, obviously nine times they.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
Didn't they ended up losing. But even to get to
eight wins, you're gonna have to see a lot of
improvement from last year.

Speaker 7 (45:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (45:10):
Yeah, I've talked to Mike Grease before practice. We've talked
about a little it's just the last couple of years
I felt, you know, I felt optimistic last year too,
And it's just trying to figure out because right now,
I feel like this looks like a football team. To me,
it looks like an NFL football team that's gonna win
some games. I don't want to put a number on
it what it's gonna be, but it looks like a
team that's gonna have an identity, that's gonna have a

(45:30):
play style, that's gonna follow.

Speaker 7 (45:32):
The lead of their head coach.

Speaker 5 (45:35):
But even like two years ago, you felt like, yeah,
it hasn't been great, but we got Bill Belichick and
it's gonna come together.

Speaker 7 (45:40):
And you know, last year maybe it was a little
bit more.

Speaker 5 (45:43):
I'm maintaining an open mind, trying to be positive, but
this is gonna be something completely new. So I feel
a little bit like I just I'm not quite sure
what I believe anymore, Like I need to see and
feel like if these guys come out and.

Speaker 8 (45:53):
Looks so you don't know, it's just a kid who
was told Santa Claus right right.

Speaker 7 (45:59):
It's been hurt.

Speaker 5 (46:00):
But but I mean, you guys have watched plenty of teams,
and I mean it's you're probably a little skewed because
you're watching, you know, the greatest run in football history,
and the other teams are probably like, you know, more
up and down. And some quarterbacks aren't just Tom Brady
where he just seems to keep getting better and every
year he's awesome. And you know, some guys are like
Russell Wilson, where it's good and it's bad, and it's

(46:21):
good and it's bad, and it's bad and it's bad
and it's good and it's bad. You know, those kind
of ups and downs, and when people ask us to
predict like what we see. I feel really positive about
the team that they're putting together up there. They might
have some words, they might not be the greatest team
in the world yet, but I feel good about.

Speaker 7 (46:36):
The team that they're building right now.

Speaker 5 (46:37):
I don't know what it's going to translate to, but
I'm just hoping that I'm not again being the cock
eyed optimist of well, Mike Rabel's running around and doing
drills and everybody's saying all the right things.

Speaker 6 (46:46):
And you get in the regular season.

Speaker 17 (46:47):
And you're like, oh my god, we don't have those
means Honestly since Brady left, Paul and have we had
a training camp time a summer and you get through
into the you know, September where we said, wow, that
was a great training camp, that was a great preseason.

Speaker 4 (47:05):
This team's ready to go. Have we had that since Brady?

Speaker 7 (47:08):
Even with Brady?

Speaker 4 (47:09):
Did you feel that way though?

Speaker 7 (47:10):
I mean, do you still feel kind of like a
few things?

Speaker 3 (47:13):
So there were a couple of times I did, But
to be honest, no, I didn't always think like that.

Speaker 6 (47:17):
I mean, you knew they were good because they had him.

Speaker 3 (47:20):
Right right, that's the greats Like seven, they just looked
like it was different, Like you could just tell that
the team had a look that was really efficient and effective,
and you could tell that that team was going to.

Speaker 4 (47:32):
Be things that you hadn't seen before.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
But yeah, I mean when Brady was here, I always thought, well,
you know, it's going to be twelve and four minimum,
you know, are they going to host the championship game?

Speaker 6 (47:42):
Dude got very upset at that, but.

Speaker 5 (47:45):
You were probably saying the reason they're going to lose
these four games in training camp is becaurect.

Speaker 7 (47:49):
I don't think like we don't have the depth on
the defensive.

Speaker 4 (47:52):
You know, we can't.

Speaker 6 (47:54):
I used to argue with Bill O'Brien.

Speaker 3 (47:55):
Bill O'Brien used to give Andy and I a hard
time about it, like, I don't know how you guys
do it.

Speaker 6 (47:59):
I don't know how you guys.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
And we explained to them, like Billy, we're not saying
that the team's not great. What we're saying is is
there something about the team that's going to cause you
to have to go on the road in a big
playoff game? And you know, and it would be something
like that, like I don't know if they have enough
depth at corner like that nickelback spot, or you know,
where are they going to get you know, the pass

(48:22):
rush from you know beyond X or whatever, you know something.
It was never like I don't know if they have
a number one receiver, Well, I don't know if they
have an answer at left tackle.

Speaker 6 (48:32):
It was never something like that.

Speaker 3 (48:33):
It was always like a depth related secondary piece that
might be the difference between twelve and fourteen wins. Now
we just we just want to get back to respectability.

Speaker 8 (48:45):
Yeah, I feel like that's like the way I see
what's been going on really since the spring is like
I feel like they're going to put eleven guys in
the field that know what they're doing because of the coaching.
Like I feel like they're going to be coach correctly
and they're going to know their assignments and they're going
to play fundamentally sound. I think that they're gonna be
able to do all that. You know, where the roster
is and where that is are two different things. Like

(49:06):
there's a professional football player, so there's a if you
coach him right, they can get to that level of
like we're competent, right, right, But are they gonna have
the top end talent in certain areas? Are they gonna
have the depth in certain areas? I think that still
remains to be seen.

Speaker 5 (49:23):
Looking back, I feel like I looked at certainly twenty nineteen,
my first season here, when Brady was still here, but
even after Brady left, no matter what happened in camp,
I think I would defer to we have Bill Belichick.
We have the greatest coach of all time. It's gonna
pull together, even no matter how things look in camp.
He's a good enough coach, he's gonna pull it together.

(49:44):
And maybe I, you know, had the wool pulled over
my eyes a little bit with those observations twenty three,
twenty four.

Speaker 7 (49:51):
Now you're starting not to.

Speaker 5 (49:53):
Just blindly believe that this team's gonna somehow pull it together.
And right now, I really do feel really good about
what they're building out there, and it's just I'm you know,
I'm trying not to be like over the moon because
I know it's not going to be as great as
you think it could possibly be, but I still think
it could be really good. And what I've seen from
this team in the first week, I really believe in

(50:14):
Mike Rabel as a coach.

Speaker 7 (50:15):
I believe in the program that he's doing.

Speaker 5 (50:16):
I just hope that they have the talent to really
trade punches with these really good teams that they inevitably
have to face up and down there.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
I'm just wondering, is there things that you need to
see in August, in the month of August to be
able to definitively say, yeah, this offense is going to
be okay.

Speaker 4 (50:35):
Yeah, It's hard, right, It.

Speaker 5 (50:36):
Is hard because it is you talk about joint practices
and yeah, you know, I'm sure Philly came out of
here feeling like, well, maybe the Patriots just stunk last
year and their offensive line was terrible, and you know,
or they felt like, wow, we are primed to do
what we're about to do.

Speaker 7 (50:52):
It's so hard. It's just it goes back to the
only real truth is games.

Speaker 5 (50:56):
And no matter what we talk about from preseason, from
joint practices, from OTAs and all this stuff, and we
certainly get information about how the coaches feel about players,
and we see big plays, but how's it all going
to come together in an organic game setting where there's
ups and downs on the flow of the game and
this team needs mental toughness and they need to preserve
a lead or they need to come from behind, like.

Speaker 7 (51:16):
All those characteristics.

Speaker 5 (51:17):
I just I don't think there's any way to know
from what happens in August up to August until they
blow the whistle and it's kick off week one.

Speaker 8 (51:23):
This cam feels a little bit like twenty one to me,
Like they've had this free agency class that they brought
in that has some guys that you feel like are
veteran players that are proven commodities in the league, and
you're not filling holes with guys that are really not
meant to be in those roles, Like Millan Williams is
a starting defensive lineman, Morgan Moses is starting tackle in
the NFL. But we know what free agency is, we

(51:47):
know that that's not really where the top end talent is.
So the difference is is you hope that Drake May
is better than Mac Jones and you hope that Will
Campbell is better than some of the guys that they
drafted in that timeframe. But I feel like what I'm
watching feels similar to that, where it's like, Okay, they're
going to be competent, and that your competent men ten

(52:07):
wins in the playoff Berth. I don't know where it's
going to get them this year, but we'll see. I
think offensively, you want to see them be able to
be multiple, Like can they do everything at their disposal
to move the football? When you're one dimensional, if you
can't run the ball, you can't pass, block, you can't run, block,
you can't throw.

Speaker 6 (52:26):
You make it easier to defend.

Speaker 8 (52:28):
So if they can, that would be my sequence at
all together, then they can smart.

Speaker 3 (52:32):
The way even't just put that I think is perfect,
and I would want to make sure that they do
not have to do a lot of really different things
to scheme around pass protection, scheme around the tackles, because
I think that's a hard I mean, you can do it,
and I know Josh can get away from a little.
Josh will be better at it than Alexander. But I

(52:53):
think you're very limited if you can only do it
one way, you know, and then you know, in other words,
you have to glue. Somebody will campbell every time you
face a speed rusher like that's not ideal.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
So in the past, you know, no matter what it
looked like, we had faith in Belichick that he'll figure
it out. That faith started to erode, I think really
in the Patricia year where he named him offensive coordinator
and it didn't look good and it wasn't good. Like
even I was saying, oh, it'll be fine. You know,
it's Belichick, he knows what he's doing. Patricia was used

(53:25):
to be a head coach. He knows football. It'll be fun.
It wasn't.

Speaker 18 (53:28):
It was.

Speaker 4 (53:28):
It was terrible.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
And then every and then the next year was even
when you had Bill O'Brien.

Speaker 4 (53:36):
It just still didn't look good.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
You were thinking, Okay, we'll get out of August and
Bill O'Brien's a good offensive coordinator, he'll make it fine.
It still wasn't good, and there wasn't any indications in
the summer that it would be. We just had faith
in Bill O'Brien. But that didn't work either. And so
I'm a little bit, you know, still traumatized by that. Now.
I do believe in Mike Rabel. I think he is

(54:00):
a good coach, and like you said, it does seem
like they're buttoned up and he is stressing the fundamentals
and situation will play and taking care of taking advantage
of bad football.

Speaker 4 (54:10):
So you hope that that's true.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
But we got to see it now like where you know,
where where a fan base that's been kind of, like
I said, traumatized over the last few.

Speaker 8 (54:21):
There's a couple of things and like that to that
point about like buttoning things up, like Tyrus Tonga just
comes unblocked through the a gap today and and sacks
drink may and like under a second, like you can't
have that like that, you can't have that.

Speaker 4 (54:34):
So like, oh, yesterday it was speline came.

Speaker 8 (54:37):
Unbelowing, right, but like that's at least a blitz from
the second level, Right, you can't have the nose tackle
standing right over the center going what happened? You know,
Like so that's that's unacceptable.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
And we saw that like I don't know if it
was last year, last year when you'd have linemen just
like in space, like who am I blocking?

Speaker 1 (54:54):
Right?

Speaker 4 (54:54):
So, like the communication was terrible?

Speaker 8 (54:56):
Does Raybell take that next step of like being like no,
like where that is? You know, this is where the
s that gets you beat? Yeah, right, Like that's in
that category, not part of that gets you beat, you know,
the snaps like they had they've had three aborted snaps
at this point through six practices. Like they got to
clean that up. That goes in that bucket too, yep.

(55:18):
And if that stops, like by next week, if all
that kind of stuff stops because they clean it up,
then I feel like I'm going to be feeling pretty
good about where they're going. But the one thing that
has to be optimistic about the offense is I think
that they're going to be able to run block. And
if they can run block, then you can scheme stuff
off the run game, you get play action involved, you
move the pocket like you do, different things like that

(55:40):
that are around the run game that aren't necessarily about
volume of run game. But if they can truly run
block like that, then you can be optimistic about that's
a foundation of an offense. That's like an identity of
an offense, and hopefully that continues in that direction. But
can't have Kiros Tong. He's three hundred and forty pounds. Like,
no one put a hat on that guy, Like.

Speaker 7 (56:00):
It's kind of hard to miss.

Speaker 4 (56:01):
Yeah, come on, Javon's in New York? What's up? Javaon?

Speaker 11 (56:08):
Hey?

Speaker 4 (56:08):
Javaon?

Speaker 11 (56:10):
No?

Speaker 4 (56:11):
Okay? How about Dan and Vermont? Hey Dan?

Speaker 2 (56:17):
Dan?

Speaker 4 (56:20):
Okay, that's how you.

Speaker 6 (56:21):
If Patty doesn't come through, it's time to push away
from the table.

Speaker 4 (56:23):
Patty's an agawam? What's up? Patty?

Speaker 14 (56:27):
Guys?

Speaker 4 (56:27):
Are you okay?

Speaker 13 (56:30):
Cann Senior day, Just a question on the right tackle position.

Speaker 19 (56:38):
Has Mark Marcus Bryant and John Jack Connelly haven't taken
any reps at right tackle? And these tup added practices?
Because I don't know about you, guys, but demonstra Jacob
Scar's the hell out of me if he has to
play any extended time.

Speaker 8 (56:51):
Yeah, it's a little bit, but not not in any
meaningful eleven on eleven work. Conley has played some tackle
both sides, like with the threes and like that stuff
like that, like opportunity reps for those guys. But yeah,
I mean right now, like having a I'm gonna give
Morgan Moses the benefit of the doubt for now, Like

(57:12):
he's a twelve year veteran in it's training camp and
like a lot of guys don't even show up to
training camp this time of year anymore in his shoes.
So I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. But
is he gonna be there for seventeen games is a
real question. And if it is, Demontre Jacobs is his
top backup or Caden Wallace kicks back outside or whatever
the case may be, Like they have to figure out

(57:33):
they need to have a functional backup right tackle because
I don't know if Morgan Moses is gonna be there
for you know, the entire season, Like he's probably gonna
have some bumps in the road.

Speaker 6 (57:42):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (57:43):
Sean's in Virginia.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
Hey Sean, Okay, I mean you talk.

Speaker 20 (57:53):
About this as far as like the death of the
team like that, you know whatever. I guess people to
be perfect, you know, because I don't really see the
talking being appropriate. At least graft I can think about
this that we all can really agree of funds, it's
really uh that this team actually does have guys and
talking different teams. I mean, that's what we have said

(58:15):
in the past. So obviously that you can compete against
the best of the best, because I guess songs kind
of a players, so they didn't have the best.

Speaker 4 (58:29):
Okay, is there a question there or no?

Speaker 20 (58:33):
No, not necessarily just talking about the team as far
as everybody to be perfect and you know, in not
different ways. But yeah, even even the contenders that we
named don't have that.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
Yeah, No, it's it's it's never perfect. It's never perfect.
But I think you know, thanks Sean. You know, we're
kind of doing.

Speaker 4 (58:52):
What the coaches do.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
We're we're really getting into the weeds and analyzing, you know,
almost every play, who had a good one, who didn't
have a good one? You know, on a play that
the defense wins, you know, somebody in the offense. You
could say somebody in the offense didn't do their jobs,
or you can look at it the other way. Somebody
on the defense did a really good job, but you

(59:15):
have to do that. That's what practice is all about.
They go after the each practice, they go and they
look at each you know, play and they break it
down and then they present it back to the players
and you know, they call out who had who did what,
and that's how you get better. So no, it's it's
not perfect. It's just impossible to be perfect. And I

(59:38):
don't think that's the expectation here, you know.

Speaker 7 (59:41):
I think it's about figuring out.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
But if you have three botch snaps, those are three
botch snaps. Those are those are clear mistakes. You have
to call those out.

Speaker 3 (59:50):
A couple of those were like, you know, to go
back to Evans's point, you know, the bleep that gets
you beat.

Speaker 6 (59:55):
A couple of them were in the red zone.

Speaker 3 (59:57):
So that's potentially taking points off the boards at least four,
but maybe even seven. You know, if you're losing the possession,
that's the stuff you can't overcome.

Speaker 6 (01:00:07):
You can't. You got to It's not a stride for perfection.

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
I mean, I know all coaches want to strive for
perfection knowing that they can't achieve it. But We're not
like nitpicking things. These are major, major problems that need
to get cleaned up. You know that we're you know,
the things that we're talking about specifically are issues that
last year were problems all summer and they carried over

(01:00:33):
into the station.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
And at the same time, you know, you want to
focus on the center position, you know, the three bunch snaps,
but we're also saying that Jared Wilson is a bright
spot at center, like he could be a guy pushing
for a job either there or at left Guard. You know,
even with those and I don't think I think he
only had one of the bunch snaps a little.

Speaker 7 (01:00:54):
Paul, Well, we're in disagreement.

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
Yeah, I mean, that's another one that I'm positive, Paul,
I think two of them are on Bradbury.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
Okay, But regardless whether it's you know, Wilson or Bradbury,
you know, if it's Wilson, we think that that's a
positive so far.

Speaker 4 (01:01:13):
He's a guy pushing, pushing, a veteran for a starting
job right now.

Speaker 8 (01:01:17):
Yeah, it's a I just love how Rabel Bricks broke
it down, the good, the bad, and the stuff that
gets you believe the beat because it's just like that's
so perfect, Like that's exactly what it is. And like
some of the throws that like to the caller's point,
it has to be perfect, Like some of the throws
we were talking about earlier that Drake missed today.

Speaker 7 (01:01:34):
That's just the bad. That's not the stuff that gets
you beat.

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
Right now.

Speaker 8 (01:01:37):
The stuff that gets you beat is letting Kiro's tongue
come through the a gap unblocked. That gets you beat.
The box snaps get you beat. There actually haven't been
a ton of turnovers. They haven't thrown a ton of picks.

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
I think there's only been two picks the whole camp,
which is all the quarterbacks, So.

Speaker 6 (01:01:51):
That's just straight. I don't think Drake's thrown any.

Speaker 7 (01:01:53):
He hasn't thrown any yet.

Speaker 8 (01:01:54):
Now he's had a couple dropped, but he you know,
he hasn't thrown any had some turnover worthy plays. But
that's the stuff that gets you beat. The stuff that
we're talking about is kind of you know, some of
the throws and that's nipicking. Like already kind of had
Hunter Henry there and he sailed it a little bit
and it was like that that's the bad, and like
I'm that stuff's not going to lose you games necessarily

(01:02:17):
like the other stuff will. So that's not perfect, right,
Like that's by definition.

Speaker 5 (01:02:21):
Yeah, even without the expanding beyond the context of a
game and getting beat. It's you know, what issues are
they are we seeing in camp that are going to
be problems into the season, and what issues which I
would think, like the snap are things that are camp
clean up stuff like that shouldn't be an issue.

Speaker 7 (01:02:36):
If that's an issue, you got major problems.

Speaker 5 (01:02:38):
But you know, some of this stuff, I think with
the just overall depth and the performance level in important positions,
that's the stuff that you're really trying to identify and
lock down and figure out what the answers are going
to be, because you know, I still think like not
that west Schweitzer was the answer, but I think, you know,
to have another veteran guard to maybe it played some
games at this point, looks like that might be nice

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to have.

Speaker 7 (01:02:59):
Maybe that's something they're on the lookout for.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
I have.

Speaker 8 (01:03:01):
I don't think that col Strange has been terrible.

Speaker 6 (01:03:03):
I think he's I think he's been pretty good.

Speaker 7 (01:03:05):
Passable grade for him.

Speaker 8 (01:03:07):
Like, so I would say, like if it's him and
Jared Wilson or Bradbury at center, Like I would still
put Jared Wilson at left guard.

Speaker 7 (01:03:13):
That's just me.

Speaker 8 (01:03:14):
But maybe that's just because I can't get over the
whole having a twenty two year old rookie at center
like that just worries me. But in general, I think
that Cole Strange has been okay. So maybe that is
that's your interiors. It's strange Wilson.

Speaker 4 (01:03:29):
You know they did it with David Andrews. He was fine.

Speaker 8 (01:03:32):
Yeah, but David Andrews was like a four or five
year starter at Georgia. Like we were talking about a
twenty two year old kid who started twelve games at Georgia,
and so like it's just a lot. It's a lot
to put on him. And you already have a second
year quarterback and there's a lot on his plate. And
so it's just you have a very young battery. Like
those two guys are very young together. But it doesn't

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mean they can't do it.

Speaker 5 (01:03:54):
Just some of the He's my favorite personality guys personality
rookie just listening to he just seems like really well spoken,
thought out, you know, has his head on his shoulders,
has a good perspective, on things.

Speaker 10 (01:04:07):
I like him.

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Speaker 22 (01:07:23):
You were a rookie with the Pittsburgh Steelers. I believe
in your first padded practice, you might have gotten into
a fight. Should I assume that you don't want your
rookies doing that.

Speaker 23 (01:07:36):
I don't want any of us doing that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
It's a long time ago, Karen.

Speaker 14 (01:07:41):
Yeah, can you give a little details?

Speaker 11 (01:07:43):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
Okay, you a follow up. Have the players been told
that they can't do it? Of course, I mean we don't.

Speaker 23 (01:07:51):
I mean we want to be able to practice the
same way we have to.

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
Play, which is physical and within the rules.

Speaker 23 (01:07:57):
And I have a great play demeanor, finished through the
whistle and all those things. And you know if you
throw a punch or you get kicked out of the game,
which is going to cross the team. So I don't
anticipate any of that. I want us to celebrate with
our team, and the defensive unit celebrate with each other.
Offensive unit, get excited and celebrate with each other. Now

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get into the taunting and the things that we would
you know that we can't.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
Have during the game.

Speaker 22 (01:08:23):
Did you at least win?

Speaker 23 (01:08:25):
I think I did. It's a good story about don't
use the fight. But the about a veteran player, Greg
Lloyd was a very dominant player, imposing figure, and I
got drafted in April and he didn't say a word
to me through OTAs and I'm on the defense, mind you,

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And so I didn't say a word to me.

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
The entire offseason. We go to training camp.

Speaker 23 (01:08:54):
You know, there was a fight with me and a
tight end and I'm exhausted after practice and I see
this like shadow coming over me as I'm sitting in
the locker room and he's like in his deep voice
and he's like, yeah, the next time, you want to
come up underneath the face mask.

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
And I was like, you just now are going to
talk to me.

Speaker 23 (01:09:11):
He's like, yeah, I just wanted to make sure you
weren't like a punk, and then I would talk to you.
So it's a good example of just a veteran making
sure that, you know, rookies kind of earned their stripes,
I guess a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
But with the foundation filled, the cancer far to get
to the point of yeah, I think.

Speaker 23 (01:09:28):
So you know this will be you know, truthfold will
be down in the red zone. We'll be getting a
lot of work in the red zone. Things happen a
lot quicker down there, Uh, tighter windows, just the speed
of everything.

Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
That could just gets sped up.

Speaker 23 (01:09:41):
And so that'll be good for us to move on
to that situation as well as to see how we
you know, start to practice and pads and our pad level,
our fundamentals, our hands and those types of things.

Speaker 18 (01:09:53):
Mike, as you share that story and talk about the
guy not talking to you for a couple of months
while you're together, do you feel like it's different in
the NFLER with this specific team now.

Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
I just think that.

Speaker 23 (01:10:02):
That was a Greg That was a Greg Lloyd type
of thing. I think that's that was certainly his personality.
I think that there's you know, you're always trying to,
you know, prove yourself to your teammates, especially as a
young player, and Greg probably took it a little to extreme.

Speaker 19 (01:10:21):
After all these OTAs in the first four days without pad.

Speaker 8 (01:10:24):
Your your excitement level today maybe on a scale from
one to ten.

Speaker 23 (01:10:29):
I just think coming off of a day off, I
think this is just another step and in our program.
So I try to come out here with the same
excitement and give him everything I got and and help them.
So this is just another important step throughout the process
of preparation. Go ahead, don't you.

Speaker 22 (01:10:51):
What's it been like coming Torell Williams back out there
with the team defense him?

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
Well, you know, he has an energy to him.

Speaker 23 (01:10:58):
There's there's you know the players are you know, they
respond well to him. And when he you know, he
has his clips that he shows them and the things
that he thinks are important as a coordinator. You know,
I think that they're believing in what we want to
do in our style of play, and so just keep
moving ahead. And but it's it's great to have him back,

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just his personality and demeanor.

Speaker 24 (01:11:22):
Mike, if you were in our shoes, what would you think,
you'd say? You know, you guys should really watch this.
You've been doing this for a long time, you know how.

Speaker 23 (01:11:29):
I mean if I was the part of the media, Yeah,
if you would, like say, you don't think there's ever
a scenario where that would happen.

Speaker 24 (01:11:35):
Oh, that's absolutely a matter of time. He already did
stuff with Felga fifteen years ago.

Speaker 23 (01:11:40):
As soon as I'm done with this, I'm gonna be
in the witness protection point and you want you will
never find me, all.

Speaker 1 (01:11:45):
Right, Well, if you decid you would help us.

Speaker 23 (01:11:47):
I mean I just think that how maybe some of
these uh you know, to me, it's it's it's critical
at a lot of scrimmage, right just being able to
make contact, there's going to be a stealmate. There's two
professional players lined up across from each other. Who can
re engage, who can reset their feet, maybe get a
little extra movement. You know, how do we play? Do

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we stand our feet? Can we practice like this and
stand our feet? We've got a bunch of guys falling
on the ground. I'd rather not see that. I just
don't think that that good teams end up practicing that way.
And again, just the urgency in which we move around
practice that there's we're in and out of the huddle,
the players are running on and off the field. Those
are all things that I think are critical. I think

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that translate to the field to the game.

Speaker 1 (01:12:36):
Excuse me right where you know?

Speaker 23 (01:12:38):
You don't you're not standing ten yards behind the ball,
You're you're coming from the sideline, and we're communicating the
personnel and the quarterback has to echo that. Those are
the types of things right now that we're trying to.

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
Build, like us to be having a pretty strong camp.

Speaker 10 (01:12:53):
So what have you seen from him?

Speaker 1 (01:12:54):
What have you learned about him with this offseason? Right?

Speaker 23 (01:12:57):
Great energy, great demeanor, very cochle one of our off
season Award winners, So we obviously worked extremely hard. Was
what was here every day, ready to learn, ready to
earn a role. And I love being around pop. He's
got a great, great energy and it's got a lot
of respect from everybody around here.

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
It's some one on one that passors result a little
bit the other day.

Speaker 14 (01:13:22):
How much of that period is for experimentation with new
moves or techniques versus the evaluation where guys are really
obviously trying to win every rep.

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
Yeah, I.

Speaker 23 (01:13:33):
Watch it a little bit. I do think that that's
probably a great question. One of the players I coached
in Houston, Whitney Merciless. You know, we went through some
developmental things with him. He was a very talented player.
The one thing I always respected about Whitney was his
willingness to try new moves during practice and you know, some.

Speaker 1 (01:13:52):
Of them wouldn't work.

Speaker 23 (01:13:53):
Some of them he needed to see at full speed
for him to say, you know, that's not something that
I'm going to commit a lot of time to. And
then others that you worked and that he would commit
time to. So that's exactly why you do practice, is
so that you can, you know, sometimes figure out what
doesn't work and you can eliminate some things and you
can move on.

Speaker 1 (01:14:10):
Especially as a pass rusher.

Speaker 23 (01:14:11):
Right, you're trying to have a couple of different pitches,
not too many, but I certainly need some a fastball
and some off speed pitches and some counters. So this
is why we practice, is to be able to go
out there and do that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:24):
And I understand you know a lot of those things.

Speaker 23 (01:14:26):
And you know when you get to the team periods
and you get to the games and you can see
how guys pass rush. But you know, I think that's
obviously a good thing. The offensive linemen are going to
work on different techniques and things like that, so they're
not doing the same thing every single snap.

Speaker 9 (01:14:44):
And now great moments in history.

Speaker 6 (01:14:49):
Are you going for a barbecue?

Speaker 4 (01:14:51):
I don't know. I know I'm not a big barbecue guy.
That's wrong with really.

Speaker 2 (01:14:54):
Now I probably go across the street to like Del
Frisco's or something.

Speaker 4 (01:14:58):
Just bring back the memory.

Speaker 1 (01:15:01):
I hate supuper Bowl week super Bowl which you hate?

Speaker 4 (01:15:05):
There three times did expensed everyone's rubber pick?

Speaker 9 (01:15:09):
One of the one of them was picked up? What
was the what was the go to? Different things?

Speaker 7 (01:15:13):
Different things each time? Are the same thing three times?

Speaker 4 (01:15:15):
With you might have had.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
Different things, ye, keyboard a steak, but the rabbi than
the filet i had.

Speaker 6 (01:15:22):
Different things, different different parts of the animal.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
But it's literally across the street, so yeah, right there.

Speaker 1 (01:15:32):
And there's a great breakfast joint on that street too.

Speaker 4 (01:15:35):
Oh yeah, your breakfast.

Speaker 5 (01:15:37):
Yes, if I ever travel scout, I'm in with you
any break right.

Speaker 3 (01:15:42):
It's called Desserts House of Pie, that's what it's called.

Speaker 11 (01:15:47):
I mean, I.

Speaker 3 (01:15:49):
Like, yes, definitely.

Speaker 23 (01:15:54):
That's another great moment from.

Speaker 4 (01:15:59):
Straight off the practice field.

Speaker 9 (01:16:00):
Is kiris tanga kius.

Speaker 4 (01:16:02):
How you doing?

Speaker 9 (01:16:02):
I'm doing well? How you doing? I'm Fred Kersh. This
is Patriots Unfiltered.

Speaker 2 (01:16:08):
This is the team's podcast, flagship podcast Current and I'll
have you know this is the world's longest running podcast
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Speaker 4 (01:16:16):
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Speaker 9 (01:16:17):
I'm not kidding, that's true.

Speaker 2 (01:16:19):
Part Frank started it, really yeah, back in two thousands.

Speaker 6 (01:16:23):
He's a little he's a little older than me.

Speaker 9 (01:16:24):
Yeah, a little bit, just a little bit.

Speaker 4 (01:16:26):
So, how the thing's going for you?

Speaker 9 (01:16:28):
It's going well, everything's going well, yes, sir, Sorry, that's
all right. Good things are going good, sir.

Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
All right, So you've been around a couple of different teams,
any differences on how teams do things in training camp
or you know, is it pretty much the same?

Speaker 9 (01:16:45):
You know, every team is usually kind of the same.

Speaker 25 (01:16:48):
They have they have their own little flavors to how
they like their schedules. But but here, yeah, it's been
very well, you know, being because variable and how he
runs it. He's so I mean he's been in the
league and he's been a player in this league, so
he understands kind of the how the body works for
players on these long camp days.

Speaker 9 (01:17:06):
So it's so.

Speaker 25 (01:17:07):
Cool to see him tweak schedules and kind of fit
into our so that we can get the best out
of and the most out of everything that we do.

Speaker 9 (01:17:14):
So it's been it's been very cool.

Speaker 6 (01:17:16):
I mean, that's interesting. Was there a little bit of
a tweak today?

Speaker 3 (01:17:18):
Because it did seem yesterday you guys were very active
bouncing around. Today it did seem to be a little
bit of a lower pace. Was that a tweak to
the schedule?

Speaker 25 (01:17:26):
Yeah, I think just him knowing like, okay, we got
full pads and making sure our legers are good and
the days we got to run long, he's gonna make
sure we're good before the days we got the short
yard is stuff, make sure that we're using that full
maximum effort in those short yardis. So he does a
very good job of taking care of us.

Speaker 2 (01:17:44):
Yeah, I mean he comes off as a tough guy
and all that, and he was I mean I was
here when he was playing.

Speaker 4 (01:17:49):
He was a tough guy and he is a tough guy.

Speaker 2 (01:17:51):
But he does have that care for the players, like
there's no sense in beating everybody up in the first
last week of July. You know, so like I I,
you know, I would think players appreciate that exactly, Yes, sir,
we do.

Speaker 9 (01:18:05):
Yeah, we definitely.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
And it was hot out there today, Yeah, it's going
to be hot out there tomorrow.

Speaker 9 (01:18:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:18:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:18:10):
So defensively, you're one of them. A lot of new
faces and a new scheme for New England. I know,
your first year here anyway, So just curious to your
thoughts about how those pieces are coming together, your initial thoughts.
You're about a weekend to training camp now, just how
that front seven specifically is coming together.

Speaker 25 (01:18:28):
Yeah, we're stacking these days kind of like our coach,
he really harps on just being able to go out
and just be consistent and how we are.

Speaker 9 (01:18:37):
Some days are gonna be bad.

Speaker 25 (01:18:38):
We're gonna have some bad plays and some days are
gonna be very very well. However, that list we just
got continued to stack, and I think for our front
seven that's kind of been the theme, just continuing to work,
feed off each other, learn from one another, and it's
been it's been working very well so far.

Speaker 2 (01:18:54):
Yeah, so you guys did a little bit of red
zone today, but even though you're in full path, there's
still not like one hundred percent.

Speaker 4 (01:19:02):
Going to the ground yet and all that stuff.

Speaker 25 (01:19:04):
Yeah, that's the only thing we're not doing. Everything else
to that point is full speed one hundred percent. We're
just not throwing guys on the ground so we can
get take care of each other.

Speaker 2 (01:19:12):
Right, So, as a space heater up front, like, is
there a point in practice or in training camps in
the past where you get to, Okay, this is now,
I can do what I do, you know, Like I'm
goal line for example.

Speaker 25 (01:19:25):
I love goal line just just being that mentality of
they got to gain one yard and you being the
person that they got to move. It brings it brings
out a chip and some of them, like like me
and those d linemen, But I think just anywhere on
the field really if it's third down, second down, goal line,
just being able to go out and just do your
job is very exciting.

Speaker 3 (01:19:47):
So you have you know, Milton Williams and Christian Barmore,
and they're a little bit of a different sort.

Speaker 9 (01:19:53):
Of body type than you.

Speaker 3 (01:19:54):
They're a little bit you know, smaller and more penetrating,
you know, past rushing. You are more of a space
seeding run stopper, right and that, yeah, sir, that be accurate.
So I'm just how does that dynamic work with you guys?
How well do you think you guys complimentary each other.

Speaker 9 (01:20:11):
I think it works very well. We get to feed
off one another.

Speaker 25 (01:20:15):
I think, just like you said, the get offs, Moon
william is really good at doing that, and I think
being able to show the room that's possible and and
even if your nose, you can still get off in
this league. And so just having that confidence and teammates
like Million just helping you out that makes it so
much easier. And then with bar More, he's just a freak,
so he's he's such an athletic free that he can

(01:20:37):
play the position inside and out, and just seeing that
the same things, just learning from him and being able
to feed off one another.

Speaker 9 (01:20:44):
It's been. It's been amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:20:46):
Now, when Christian gets really excited and starts talking really fast,
do you have any idea what he's saying?

Speaker 9 (01:20:50):
Yeah, yeah, Sometimes you just gotta let him talk.

Speaker 3 (01:20:52):
Yeah, he's transcribe.

Speaker 25 (01:20:55):
Anytimes he just he talking. He gonna talk And I
love that about being more man.

Speaker 9 (01:21:00):
He's amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:21:01):
So how do you what do you think of New England?
What have you know, how do you like living here
so far?

Speaker 9 (01:21:05):
You know, New England has been cool.

Speaker 25 (01:21:07):
It's been such a different vibe from the West Coast,
but you know, I love it out here. Scenery wise, beautiful,
team wise, it's been very welcoming from players standpoint, and
the coach has been very cool and in the in
the fans have been very welcoming and very nice. So
it's been, it's been. It's been good.

Speaker 3 (01:21:25):
Now you've been settled in you you mentioned because I
was listening to your talk out there.

Speaker 6 (01:21:29):
Have you gotten your family here too?

Speaker 1 (01:21:31):
Or four year old?

Speaker 9 (01:21:32):
Yeah? I got a yeah, four year old.

Speaker 25 (01:21:35):
Now during the camps it's kind of hard because it's
so far and you know, yeah, yeah, So I usually
try to bring them out during the season, same as
my siblings and my parents. They try to come out
during the season, so during camp time, it's just we're
locked in and no family around, so it kind of makes.

Speaker 9 (01:21:50):
It a little easy.

Speaker 6 (01:21:51):
And you also were one of the off season award winners.
I saw this moting you know what what went into that?

Speaker 3 (01:21:56):
And you know, does that I assume that's a point
of pride for you.

Speaker 25 (01:22:00):
Yeah, you know it's Ah, it was pretty cool. I
was shocked only because everybody was working and literally anybody
could have gotten that word like this OTAs was. Everybody
was just go, go, go, and we were feeding off
each other, so and that and just coming into camp
the same mentality and nothing's changed, Like it's been cool.
But everybody's working. You see it on the field, so

(01:22:21):
it's it's been pretty Uh it was good though.

Speaker 4 (01:22:24):
You must have had the neatest locker or something like that.
You must have done something.

Speaker 6 (01:22:27):
There were only four guys, just one of them.

Speaker 4 (01:22:30):
You must have done something.

Speaker 9 (01:22:31):
Man, it was just working. It's just working.

Speaker 4 (01:22:34):
As fans, we love to hear that, and uh, we
love seeing seeing you here.

Speaker 2 (01:22:38):
Appreciate you coming by and all you got stuff to do,
get showered up and get some food in you and
get ready for the meetings this afternoon.

Speaker 9 (01:22:45):
So I appreciate you guys for having me. Thank you, Yeah,
thanks so much. I appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (01:22:50):
All right, Kyrius Tanga, we'll be right back after this.

Speaker 2 (01:22:57):
All right, we're back here on Patriots Nfit Altered. That
was Paul and myself's interview with Kiris Tanga. Real nice guy,
as you could see, it's real nice.

Speaker 5 (01:23:06):
I listen to him a little bit outside as well.
And the big man in the middle. Yep, he's going
to be a big part of that.

Speaker 8 (01:23:11):
Yeah, sneaky player, I think, Yeah, I think he's kind
of one of one. Yeah, exactly what I was about
to say.

Speaker 7 (01:23:17):
He's the only guy on the team that does what
he does.

Speaker 6 (01:23:19):
Yeah, I kind of.

Speaker 3 (01:23:20):
I didn't want to necessarily throw any of his teammates
under the bus when I asked him that question, but
that's kind of what I was talking about, Like, you know,
Milton Williams and Barmore different kinds of players, even though
you guys all played the same position. And he was like, yeah, no, no,
you're right, you're right, And I was like, you have
more of a run stuffing space eater, And I didn't
want to say you don't really have any breed and well, no,

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I didn't want to say, you don't really have anybody
else like that, right, because they kind of got rid
of most of the bigger defensive lineman.

Speaker 6 (01:23:47):
They have a lot of athletic defensive.

Speaker 4 (01:23:49):
Tackles they got.

Speaker 1 (01:23:51):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (01:23:51):
I don't want to put words in him one, but
this is kind of how you would prefer it. Like,
you know, you're a big fan of you know, paint
Devon Godshaw, who is like a high priced tongue.

Speaker 7 (01:24:00):
I want to stop their on on the way to
the quarterback.

Speaker 3 (01:24:02):
I yeah, I mean, I just feel like if the
other team wants to try to beat you running the ball,
I think it in general will work to the Patriots'
favor because I think it'll keep the score down and
you don't have an offense that's necessarily conducive right now
to getting in thirty five point shootouts. Yeah, so I
think if team wants to run the ball and they

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give because I do think that they have a chance
to be a little bit leaky against the run. So
they're smaller front seven, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:24:29):
With him, like I think he was a seventh round
draft pick or something like that, and he started playing
special teams and things like that. But over the court,
Like I think last year was the most games he's
played in, so that's kind of a good thing. Like
he's been on a lot of teams, but like he
got more playing time recently than early in his career.
Like he's built toward that. So maybe maybe he could

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be a sneaky contributor to the defense.

Speaker 4 (01:24:54):
Who knows.

Speaker 8 (01:24:55):
Yeah, I think unfortunately for him, like he said, dying
breed like that.

Speaker 4 (01:24:58):
Oh no, but there will be times where you know,
situation or don't.

Speaker 2 (01:25:01):
I don't talk about every play situationally where we've got
to make this stop. It's you know, third inches or
around the goal or whatever, and they put him in.

Speaker 8 (01:25:11):
Yep, it just doesn't you know what I Mormant was like,
that's not a very sought after commodity in today's NFL.
So you're not seeing a lot of nose tackles drafted
high anymore. Like Vince Wilfork is a first round pick,
Like you'd have to be that dominant probably to get
drafted in the top.

Speaker 7 (01:25:28):
Fifty these days.

Speaker 8 (01:25:29):
Yeah, Like it's just not a position that lends itself
to that. But situationally, whether it's just end of game,
four minute offense. They're trying to close out the game.
You're trying to get a stop. They you know, they're
going to run the ball goal line, third down, fourth down,
Like those are spots where I could see Milton Williams
coming off the field maybe for a Cairis Tongo or

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you know someone like that.

Speaker 5 (01:25:53):
That's well, that's where I was just about to go
av was who is the someone like that? That's what
I'm curious about. You know, Tong is gonna have a
real you know, Williams and Barber will have big roles.
But I think what we're seeing a little bit of
is Jeremiah Farms maybe or could you know Farmer the
draft pick, Josh Farmer from Florida State.

Speaker 7 (01:26:09):
I haven't seen much from him just yet.

Speaker 5 (01:26:11):
It still seems like today Jeremiah Farms is the guy,
the next guy up with that group.

Speaker 7 (01:26:17):
So we'll see how that continues to progress.

Speaker 2 (01:26:20):
Podcasts at Patriots dot Com is the way to email us.
Linda from Georgia right Sid made it to camp today
to see everything in person and form some opinions what's
going to be the twenty five pat season. Also got
to meet Evan before practice. As a bonus, Jerry took
a selfie. Nice her husband.

Speaker 7 (01:26:36):
We're here and they're both fans of the show. I
think he's an ex husband.

Speaker 23 (01:26:39):
Now, Evan.

Speaker 4 (01:26:39):
Oh after that.

Speaker 7 (01:26:40):
Oh so I'm also.

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
Now to football. I thought the rotation for offensive side
was notable. O line, left, guard and center. Changes That
look like they're going for the best combo. This is
the time of year to do that, and it helps
find the next man up should injuries happen, as they might.
Wide receiver lots of changes with each formation too, with
multiple lineups to block or be a decoy for the defense.

Speaker 4 (01:27:07):
Running back.

Speaker 2 (01:27:08):
Good to see them securing the ball with two hands
on almost every possession. Good sign for the group tight end.
Great to see Hooper in the mix again. What do
you say anything I missed for these positions? Tomorrow I'll
be looking for a defense from the stands and get
my opinion formed there.

Speaker 4 (01:27:23):
So there you go.

Speaker 5 (01:27:24):
That's all good stuff. I mean, that's, you know, kind
of what we're telling you. But if you need further confirmation,
that's that's.

Speaker 7 (01:27:31):
How it goes in camp. It's you know, it's hard.

Speaker 5 (01:27:32):
You don't want to overreact every time you see this
is a bad example. But Fton Chisholm all of a
sudden is out for a rep. You know, you don't
want to, oh my god, it's happening, But you see
a few days a guy starts to like Jerry Wilson.

Speaker 7 (01:27:45):
You know, you start to see.

Speaker 5 (01:27:46):
Him expanding his role a little bit more. You start
to track those things. That's what it really I've been
watching and some of these injuries that have offered opportunities
for other guys. That's what makes it interesting to me,
is I look at my NERD depth chart and start
to put together, you know, how to they see the team?
Who's the next guy up? You know, at this position?
How would they you know if right tackle went out
or if Trey jcobs? How would you know those questions?

(01:28:07):
How would they affect the inevitable kind of juggling you
always end up doing a rosters.

Speaker 2 (01:28:11):
Colleen from Houston says about the box snaps, it seems
like the common denominator is Drake. Has Dobbs received a
box snap? Could it be Drake who's messing up the
snap and not the center? Yes, that was the thing
last year too, regardless of the center.

Speaker 8 (01:28:26):
Yeah, yep, I definitely think that that's there's a chance
of that and it just goes back. I mean, he
did more last year. But like these college quarterbacks are
not under center. They don't take snaps from under center
in the college game anymore. Everybody runs spread, everybody runs gun.
Like the amount of times, like some of these teams
are so anti under center they kneel from the shotgun

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like they had it's a shotgun snap into a quarterback
neal at the end of the game. That's how allergic
these teams are to going under center. So Drake May,
you could probably count on two hands the amount of
times that he was under center at North Carolina. It
just doesn't happen. So for a lot of these young quarterbacks,
it's an adjustment. But the other question that I've always

(01:29:10):
had with it is do they eventually just adjust to
him right, Like, Okay, if you're really not comfortable doing this,
maybe we go to the pistol, maybe we go more
shotgun heavy offense, and we build it around the fact
that you're not necessarily comfortable being an under center quarterback.
Because they're teams that have done that too, you know,
Philadelphia with Jalen Hurts, Like the only times that the

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eagles are under center at the touch push.

Speaker 7 (01:29:33):
Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:35):
So Colleen could be onto something there one of those
box snaps. I did notice it was up here, so
I don't know what, Like, how do you go from
under center and it ends up up on your shoulder?
But it could be like you just mishandled it and
it flew up over his shoulder.

Speaker 4 (01:29:52):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:29:52):
Yeah, there were there were some low snaps and shotgun too.
I think part of the appeal to me, though, of
Jared Wilson is Drake, get your hands on up under
his butt, get used to it. The next ten years
that you guys are going to be a married couple
like this are going to grow together. If they could
somehow get on the same page with that stuff, that'd
be you know, part of the appeal to me of
having a young center that he can grow with and
can get used to having his.

Speaker 7 (01:30:13):
Hands up there. I mean ideally he gets.

Speaker 4 (01:30:16):
The way talks about it. It's a little dirty, yeah,
having his hands up here, up there.

Speaker 8 (01:30:23):
Yeah, you would like to be able to go under center?

Speaker 7 (01:30:25):
Yeah, I imagine John the action.

Speaker 8 (01:30:27):
Advantages are palpable or statistically proven, like you'd want to
be able to do that at at least like a
twenty five to thirty percent clip.

Speaker 5 (01:30:36):
Can't imagine Josh would say that our playbook will be
really limited if we're unable to do that.

Speaker 4 (01:30:41):
Why do you think it does?

Speaker 2 (01:30:43):
Why do you think the stats do bear that out?
Is it because it gives an advantage to the runner
to be able to get a good look at things
before he takes off, or like, why is.

Speaker 7 (01:30:52):
It they're coming?

Speaker 8 (01:30:53):
Well, I think the main reason is the running backs
coming from deeper in the backfield, so he has a
run up to the line of scrimmage, whereas when he's
in the shot gun, he's starting from a stagnant stance,
so he's not I.

Speaker 2 (01:31:03):
Used to get made fun of when I talked about that,
When I said that he's starting from a dead start.

Speaker 4 (01:31:08):
Paul would make fun of me.

Speaker 6 (01:31:09):
A dead start, yes, I did.

Speaker 2 (01:31:11):
Well, that's the same thing as stagnant, dead start, stagnant
or a dead stop.

Speaker 6 (01:31:17):
What do you think?

Speaker 7 (01:31:18):
Oh, this not so much.

Speaker 6 (01:31:23):
Argument, which you think it was?

Speaker 5 (01:31:25):
I didn't know, Like, I get what Fred's saying, that's right, right,
but no dead start.

Speaker 3 (01:31:29):
It was one of those just kind of was a
funny phrase and me and Andy took notice of it,
and you know, you don't think it.

Speaker 4 (01:31:35):
Was anything relevant.

Speaker 8 (01:31:40):
Behind the quarterback under center's eight yards in the backfield.
So now Remandre has eight yards of a running start
into the line of scrimmage, so he's moving a lot
faster at the point of attack.

Speaker 2 (01:31:50):
But if you're at shotgun, now the quarterback is five
or six yards back and he hands it to the
running back, you're still.

Speaker 8 (01:31:57):
But the running back doesn't have our head start like
the running back, and under center is running before he
even has the ball.

Speaker 4 (01:32:03):
Oh, so he's running to the quarterback.

Speaker 8 (01:32:05):
Correct, because they're going to meet up the junk kings.

Speaker 4 (01:32:07):
Okay.

Speaker 8 (01:32:07):
But the other thing that's really big is play action
because when you're under center, you turn around and you
turn your back to the defense and you can hide
the ball, whereas if you're in the shotgun, the defense
can see the football.

Speaker 4 (01:32:19):
Okay.

Speaker 8 (01:32:19):
So that's why RPOs became a thing. Not to go
down the whole rabbit hole, but that's so RPOs became
a thing because it teams that were gun heavy, like
in college, they had to find a way to be
more effective with play action from the gun because they
couldn't do it like you do it from me.

Speaker 2 (01:32:33):
What about the fact that on the shotgun the ball
gets to the running back faster.

Speaker 8 (01:32:38):
Well, I mean that could I guess you could say
that's an advantage in the other direction. But I think
most of the time the advantages of being under center,
oh weigh that, Okay, I would say, all right, especially
just from like a running back perspective.

Speaker 3 (01:32:52):
And to your point, Fred, like I can tell you
pushing back, which I like. Obviously, the things that are
an advantage of being under center are not necessarily viewed
as outweighing the benefits of the vast majority of teams
are gun more often than.

Speaker 6 (01:33:07):
Not, right, or at least a high percentage.

Speaker 3 (01:33:09):
Yes, So if it was such a big advantage, I
think more teams would say, no, we have to do
this right.

Speaker 8 (01:33:15):
You know, it's a big advantage for the run game.
In play action, if you want to be like a
traditional play action team. Now, a lot of offenses nowadays
run the pistol, which is the perfect medium. It's right
in the middle because you still have the back behind
the quarterback, and you can still turn and hide the
ball when you turn in the pistol.

Speaker 4 (01:33:36):
So the pistol, you're just closer to the center.

Speaker 8 (01:33:40):
Well the running back is directly behind the quarterback instead
of offset like he is in the gun. So like
Miami is Shanahan Tree, you know, Mike McDaniel, but Tua
doesn't like going under center because he's so short. So
what they do is they put to in the pistol
and then they run all the same actions that like
Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVay run from under center, but
they it from the pistol. So there's just different there's

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different ways that you can do it. And I've been
clamoring for the Patriots to run more pistol because I
don't think Drake is great from under center.

Speaker 2 (01:34:08):
And the slingshot for example, like in between the pistol
and under.

Speaker 7 (01:34:13):
Center, that has not been invented.

Speaker 8 (01:34:16):
But if you there's like there's different variations of like
you know, ways that they have like the side car
right where you have like a lead blocker is offset
and then the running backs behind the quarterback and you
kind of have a three man backfield. And the Ravens
do that a lot. But there's not a slingshot.

Speaker 4 (01:34:34):
No, no, what a bow and arrow.

Speaker 18 (01:34:36):
No.

Speaker 8 (01:34:36):
You can invent it though, if you want to tell
Josh maybe, by.

Speaker 7 (01:34:40):
The way, do we ever figure out your no Lampy today?
I don't want to talk about it. I don't want
to talk about it.

Speaker 4 (01:34:48):
No, no brock Lampy, No brock Lampy, no full back in.

Speaker 8 (01:34:51):
There was some speculation from from Paul's people from the
media tent well they cut them.

Speaker 5 (01:35:00):
How could they do that this day after Pats That
seems I mean, it would be disappointed.

Speaker 4 (01:35:05):
I say, no, it's in Toronto, he says.

Speaker 2 (01:35:07):
I'm worried that I haven't heard anything about the QB
run game slash read options. Do you think this is
coming soon? Or are we going to hamstring ourselves again
this year?

Speaker 8 (01:35:16):
I just talked about it earlier and they did a
ton of it today. I don't want to give away
too much, but they did it today.

Speaker 7 (01:35:22):
It's in the back.

Speaker 6 (01:35:23):
The Jets have re signed Nick Folk.

Speaker 7 (01:35:26):
Everybody for him that's.

Speaker 9 (01:35:29):
Plays.

Speaker 7 (01:35:30):
When's the weel going to fall off the bus with him?
Like he's just going to keep kicking field goals?

Speaker 6 (01:35:33):
Well, he's on the Jets.

Speaker 4 (01:35:34):
So now Randy's in Providence. What's up, Randy?

Speaker 7 (01:35:39):
Randy, Hey, how's it going?

Speaker 16 (01:35:44):
So I've got two questions.

Speaker 20 (01:35:47):
For you guys.

Speaker 11 (01:35:47):
Regarding the position battles there Borgles versus Parker Romo, it
sounds like the reporting through the past couple of days,
but it's kind of lean more towards Parker Roma. And
I was watching the after practice interview, I think would
work all this the other day, and it's just like

(01:36:08):
and maybe I'm reading into it too much or whatever,
but he was like, oh, yeah, you know, I got
a good foot on the ball, but it didn't go in.
But that's fine because I got a good foot on
the ball. And it just seemed to me, like that's
not the result that you want. You don't the result
that you're pursuing is three points at one point.

Speaker 15 (01:36:27):
It's not getting a good.

Speaker 11 (01:36:28):
Foot on the ball, and sometimes you gotta you know,
like anticipate those sorts of things, and again not getting
a minutia kicking, but like, it just didn't seem like
there was a lot of lot of caring about the
result from him.

Speaker 8 (01:36:43):
I sort of understand that though, Randy, because like kicking
is it's it's almost like a golf swing, like it's
repetitive stroke and you just want the stroke to look
exactly the same, and you want your routine to be
exactly the same. So like if you're having a repeat,
repetitive stroke, then the results usually come. It's when like
one time you're you know, you're leaning this way, one
time you're leaning that way. That's when thanks the shanks

(01:37:04):
start to happen.

Speaker 3 (01:37:05):
I think what he's basically telling you is I feel like,
if I hit it like this a hundred times, I'm gonna.

Speaker 6 (01:37:11):
Make ninety five of them.

Speaker 3 (01:37:12):
Yeah, like it's gonna happen. It's I think the golf
analogy is a perfect one. I've done that a million
times as a hacker. I might be, you know, one
hundred and fifty yards and I hit my iron and
I hit it flush, and I you know, I just
hit it a little bit left of the green or
right of the green. I'm like, I'm okay with that.
I'm not on the green. That's what I was trying
to do. But I hit it the way I normally

(01:37:32):
want to hit it. And I think if I hit
it like that every time, more often than not, it's
going to go on the green. And I bet you
that's what he meant is if I hit him like
that all the time, more often than not, we're going
to be happy.

Speaker 8 (01:37:44):
I always hear the golf and when you talk to
special teams, coordinators and stuff, they always use golf. It's
just a repetitive swing. You want the stroke to look
exactly the same every single time. And now those are
the best kickers. The best kickers, they don't change even
if they're kicking from like sixty like and they're trying
to it's a.

Speaker 4 (01:38:01):
Change in trajectory.

Speaker 2 (01:38:02):
Though, if you're going longer, you need to kind of
drive it a little bit more.

Speaker 7 (01:38:06):
Maybe, but you can't heal it as high.

Speaker 8 (01:38:09):
The legs swing, they the steps and the whole process
of getting the ball off the ground. They want to
keep it the same.

Speaker 4 (01:38:16):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:38:17):
Now to Randy's you know, initial concern, I would say,
it's just you know, small.

Speaker 11 (01:38:23):
See.

Speaker 6 (01:38:24):
I do think Romo has been a little bit better.

Speaker 3 (01:38:25):
We talked about this earlier in the show, and there
have been times where I haven't felt Borgallis hit it
quote unquote the way.

Speaker 4 (01:38:31):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:38:32):
I don't think he got a good foot on every
one of these misses. You know, to use Bora Gallis's terminology,
I think he's struggled a little bit with that golf
swing trying to get there.

Speaker 2 (01:38:42):
Like I don't know how close you know, we can
actually see. But when he had those, when the ball
just didn't look right coming off? Was the placement of
the ball right, you know, like I don't know, A.

Speaker 6 (01:38:54):
Lot goes into it.

Speaker 5 (01:38:54):
Yeah, but it's that like ten to four, you know
that that sideway.

Speaker 4 (01:38:59):
Yeah, I know what you're saying. It looks like a
buckle ball.

Speaker 5 (01:39:01):
Sometimes I just don't get the jump, Like, I don't
think any of his balls look like that in college.

Speaker 7 (01:39:06):
Like is it the different ball or.

Speaker 4 (01:39:08):
I don't know, it could be, you know, or like.

Speaker 7 (01:39:10):
I said, I take an adjustment to kick it, laces out.

Speaker 4 (01:39:13):
All that type of stuff is a little bit, you know,
left to right.

Speaker 7 (01:39:17):
I never hear much. I mean I've worked here for
six years now.

Speaker 5 (01:39:19):
I've never really heard much about the change in ball
from college kball, Well, from college to the pros.

Speaker 8 (01:39:26):
And it is bigger ball.

Speaker 4 (01:39:28):
Yeah, is the college ball a little fatter?

Speaker 6 (01:39:31):
Shorter and fat.

Speaker 3 (01:39:32):
They're basically the same size, but they're yeah, a little
bit different. The consistency is different. Shorter and fatter in college.

Speaker 7 (01:39:38):
And you're looking for a consistent strokes.

Speaker 3 (01:39:40):
I'm sorry, I don't know where that came from.

Speaker 5 (01:39:43):
Well, it's just effects you're going to have a consistent
stroke to a short, fat one.

Speaker 7 (01:39:46):
It's not Wow. I was going to say something serious too.

Speaker 4 (01:39:51):
But pros are longer.

Speaker 7 (01:39:53):
Sorry, I let myself down there.

Speaker 1 (01:39:55):
Just long.

Speaker 6 (01:39:56):
That's exactly how I.

Speaker 4 (01:39:57):
Was feeling, like I really just listen. Size matter.

Speaker 26 (01:40:00):
Okay, well it does, and not enough players talk about, like,
you know, all of a sudden, like I can't imagine
going from college hockey to pro hockey and the buck's
a little bit longer now. I mean, all of a sudden,
I had this great snapshot and now it kind of
comes out the stick funny, and I'm just won't stop.

Speaker 8 (01:40:14):
Like the three point line of basketball in college it's shorter.

Speaker 6 (01:40:18):
Yeah, the NBA, he used to it.

Speaker 7 (01:40:19):
But people never really talk about like now the ball
is a little weird for me.

Speaker 6 (01:40:22):
No one ever says that I agree with you. You don't
hear a lot of people talking.

Speaker 5 (01:40:28):
When I was about to bring this up two seconds ago,
I had to like do mental inventories, like the ball
is different.

Speaker 4 (01:40:32):
Maybe we should get Bory Allison here.

Speaker 7 (01:40:33):
We'll ask us Jeremy Springer, what do you like it's
short and fat or the long?

Speaker 6 (01:40:39):
We changed the college ball. It's not different anymore now.

Speaker 8 (01:40:41):
I do remember in those Friday press conferences last year
with Jeremy Springer where there would be like five of us,
you know, people that actually stay for the Special Teams coach,
and he congratulations. He actually talked about the different holds,
like there are different holes and certain kickers depending on
the conditions and stuff like that. The way that the
ball is literally pointed and held can be different. And

(01:41:04):
I know it sounds silly and like I'm making excuses
for him, but like there's a chance that him and
Bearinger are still in the lab like trying to figure
out exactly how he likes the ball to be held.
Distance matters, wind conditions matter, the surface sometimes matters on
the field. So like these things do factor into all.

Speaker 4 (01:41:23):
This when you need them.

Speaker 5 (01:41:25):
And I was expecting was just to magically appear like
I dream Egenie like smoke and then he's like, is
someone talking kicking?

Speaker 8 (01:41:32):
It's funny, it's the basic as much as we all
just kind of ran all this stuff off, like that's
the Special team's coach, Like this is their job, and so,
like like any job, they know all the minutia of
like all the details of the different holes and all
this kind of stuff.

Speaker 7 (01:41:49):
So maybe maybe.

Speaker 3 (01:41:50):
That's I just did a quick Google search and they
are roughly the same.

Speaker 4 (01:41:55):
Yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:41:57):
College footballs are.

Speaker 3 (01:41:58):
Generally winning the same length and circumference range NFL footballs,
but can vary more due to different manufacturers. And it
talks about, you know, it's twenty seven to twenty eight
and a half around.

Speaker 4 (01:42:12):
They get the stripe. Maybe that makes it look shorter.

Speaker 6 (01:42:14):
I like the stripe.

Speaker 7 (01:42:15):
I like this. Do you like the stripe?

Speaker 4 (01:42:16):
I do too.

Speaker 7 (01:42:17):
When I buy a backyard football, I'm looking.

Speaker 6 (01:42:20):
I'm going to the weight, the pressure. It's you can
tell the spiral stripe.

Speaker 10 (01:42:25):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:42:26):
Eldred's on the line. What's up, Eldredge?

Speaker 7 (01:42:30):
There we go?

Speaker 4 (01:42:33):
All right, hey.

Speaker 14 (01:42:35):
Talks up on the report yesterday. I normally get to
the show. But how bad is gun?

Speaker 1 (01:42:41):
Though?

Speaker 14 (01:42:42):
And they did it? Pope showed out a little bit,
so I'm like.

Speaker 11 (01:42:46):
Here we go.

Speaker 2 (01:42:47):
Well, Gonzo, according to the reports, Uh, it's a hamstring.
It won't threaten his availability for the season, but they're
gonna just take it easy on him right now and
let him rest. But it's nothing major. It's it is
a hamstring. Hamstring tweak according to Jordan Schultzer.

Speaker 3 (01:43:06):
So just three minutes ago, Karen greg And I'm told
the Patriots aren't sure how long top corner Christian Gonzalez
will be out with a hamstring injury.

Speaker 6 (01:43:13):
They're just taking a quote day by day.

Speaker 2 (01:43:15):
Yeah, so day by day for him and then Polke,
I don't know if catching a pass is showing up.

Speaker 3 (01:43:20):
I mean there's there is no scenario that you could
say polk has been showing out. He's back on the
practice field the last two days, which is a really
positive sign for him just getting back into it.

Speaker 1 (01:43:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:43:30):
Yeah, No, I mean one passed yesterday and I think
one pass with a Tuesday.

Speaker 9 (01:43:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:43:33):
And the touchdown that he was as schemed open as
you can possibly be.

Speaker 3 (01:43:37):
It was very similar for people that didn't see it
the touchdown that he caught last year in Chicago.

Speaker 10 (01:43:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:43:42):
Actually he had a good catch, thanks Aldrea.

Speaker 5 (01:43:44):
I don't know it was a catch for sure. It
seemed like he thought it was a catch, but the
far end zone back left like it was.

Speaker 4 (01:43:50):
I don't know. It was now the one where he
jumped out of bounce.

Speaker 2 (01:43:54):
See I didn't I nitpicked that one because that was
the play that Drake was extending, you know, he was
running around and Poke ran himself out of bounds, like
all of a sudden, like you're trying to get open
for your guy, and you know, the sideline becomes the
second defender on you, like moved to where there's more space.

Speaker 4 (01:44:14):
He just ran out of room.

Speaker 1 (01:44:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:44:15):
I came to it later, but I thought maybe he
was open.

Speaker 6 (01:44:18):
He seemed like he thought he was open.

Speaker 4 (01:44:19):
I'm with you his touchdown, I mean it should have been.

Speaker 6 (01:44:22):
There were two occasions last year.

Speaker 5 (01:44:24):
I don't know what you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:44:28):
About.

Speaker 2 (01:44:28):
The one we were talking about together where you could
get me there. We were talking about the one we
all talked about together where we were like, oh that
was out of bound.

Speaker 7 (01:44:35):
Yeah that was clearly I know you're joking about that.

Speaker 4 (01:44:39):
It wasn't even close.

Speaker 7 (01:44:41):
He'll take guess. I don't know, so he'll.

Speaker 4 (01:44:44):
Emorys in Virginia, what's Emery? What's up?

Speaker 10 (01:44:46):
Emory could have put it afternoon, gentlemen. Hey, you guys
are doing an amazing job keeping us Pats fans and
formed with the good, the bad, and the ugly.

Speaker 9 (01:44:58):
Thank you will, thank you, thank you you.

Speaker 2 (01:45:00):
Sure.

Speaker 20 (01:45:01):
I love it.

Speaker 16 (01:45:02):
Hey, listen, I need I need your update from your optics,
not not not with just what the reporters are saying
the other people who.

Speaker 11 (01:45:14):
Are covering the past.

Speaker 16 (01:45:14):
What your optics as far as the linebackers and the dvs,
which include both the corners and safeties. Tell me what
you're seeing. I would greatly appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (01:45:26):
Okay, e Marie.

Speaker 2 (01:45:27):
You're looking for the optics of the back end of
the defense, the back eight or whatever you want to
call it.

Speaker 7 (01:45:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:45:33):
Yeah, we've seen Splain and Christian Ellis paired together a
lot as sort of like the top inside linebacker duo,
and explaining is not surprising, but not to buy in
these practices. He's been out, so that might contribute a
little bit to Ellis being so involved.

Speaker 7 (01:45:48):
But I feel like those two.

Speaker 8 (01:45:49):
Guys have been pretty locked in there as the top
two inside linebackers, with maybe like a little bit of
Jack Gibbons every once in a while.

Speaker 9 (01:45:57):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:45:58):
And then I mean on the safety, it's a lot
of Dugger and Peppers, but a lot of rotation going
on back there, giving guys like Jalen Hawkins a chance.

Speaker 3 (01:46:04):
Marcus Epps mass made a nice play today coverage on I'd.

Speaker 5 (01:46:09):
Say, you know, Craig Woodson hasn't really entered that conversation
yet which something to watch and as he's entered the chat,
it hasn't entered the chat yet that with the Young
Top unit. But like I said, I think last show
a lot of rotation going on in the back. Seems
like they're looking for what how the best three fit?
But they clearly seem to understand that Peppers and Dugger
play well when they're close to the line.

Speaker 1 (01:46:30):
You know, I.

Speaker 2 (01:46:31):
Mentioned that, you know, show me what goes on in
the joint practice and I'll be able to come up
with a little bit more informed opinions. But Friday nights
in stadium practice for Foxborough residents and season ticket members,
we're told will be more like a scrimmage, you know,
an actual scrimmage, or like, well, well that's the thing
we've been conditioned because Bill, I think, out of spite,

(01:46:54):
kind of made those in stadium practices glorified walkthroughs like
they'd be in uniform.

Speaker 4 (01:46:59):
But it was no more than a walk through.

Speaker 7 (01:47:01):
It's more about knowing.

Speaker 6 (01:47:01):
What I've heard.

Speaker 4 (01:47:02):
I heard that this might be more like a scrimmage.

Speaker 5 (01:47:05):
I think Vere might have said something to somebody on
the radio. Maybe if I thought I saw that might
have been serious or something. Maybe it was to the
to the pat like a.

Speaker 8 (01:47:13):
Lot of times these are like like you said, and
it's like, you know, we're laying things from the sideline
and substitution flatters and like making sure that game day operation.

Speaker 4 (01:47:22):
Which is fine, you got to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:47:24):
But do you think it'd be like any different than
say yesterday was maybe just not talking about exactly what
they do.

Speaker 7 (01:47:32):
But I mean, oh, like, are we going to kick
it off and we're going to start like.

Speaker 5 (01:47:35):
I don't think we're going to get anybody tackled, which
is kind of what they did though don't they usually
do that?

Speaker 7 (01:47:40):
Like they do a kickoff and they I mean they
don't go full speed through it, but it.

Speaker 6 (01:47:43):
Was they stop yea, like they don't return it.

Speaker 7 (01:47:46):
That's probably the most difference is that it will be.

Speaker 6 (01:47:48):
My guess is we're not going to get any tackling.
It's going to be.

Speaker 7 (01:47:51):
Yeah, I think it's going to be just like practical.

Speaker 3 (01:47:53):
I think it's which is good that to Fred's point,
it's a step up from what Bill you should do.

Speaker 6 (01:47:57):
It's like they did last year.

Speaker 5 (01:47:58):
I think that with Rabel though so that there could
be a competitive element to it. And I'm not saying
that means tackling, but maybe just a little bit more
make it again, let's make it a little bit of
a game. But I think that the pace will be
the same, but it will be more controlled of you know,
kickoffs and you know the stuff we always thought was
like and this is where you stand for the national anthem,
and then you go over here, and then at halftime

(01:48:19):
we go out this door.

Speaker 3 (01:48:20):
You know, it's one of those things, Freddy like, we've
seen a million of these. You know when you see it, Oh,
that's a little different than that they normally do.

Speaker 8 (01:48:28):
Yeah, you'll be able to tell you you would like
because we haven't really gotten to Like it's first and
ten from the twenty five. We're gonna put the ball down.
We're going to put everybody to the side. The coaches
aren't going to coach. We're just gonna let it run.
We're gonna blair the music. Like if that happens on
Friday night, that would be different.

Speaker 3 (01:48:43):
And if it's incomplete, does it go second and ten
or do they move it where it was supposed to
move right right?

Speaker 6 (01:48:49):
You know, that's the kind of stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:48:50):
Yeap Williams and Philam. What's up? Willem?

Speaker 2 (01:48:55):
Hey, hey Bred?

Speaker 4 (01:48:56):
How you doing all right?

Speaker 15 (01:48:58):
Okay, congratulations Evan, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 14 (01:49:03):
Uh, just keep the life happy, right.

Speaker 7 (01:49:05):
I'll try, Oh he is, it's hard this time of year.

Speaker 20 (01:49:08):
Try right, here's just a question.

Speaker 27 (01:49:14):
And I talked to Evan about this before, so I'll say,
you got the quarterback, God women, you got to tackle
God women.

Speaker 9 (01:49:25):
But you know we're missing.

Speaker 27 (01:49:27):
And I talked to you about a certain receiver and
I'm on this train until that meantime.

Speaker 15 (01:49:32):
I know he is when we are about two years
when he come out. But Evan know what I'm talking.

Speaker 8 (01:49:36):
About talking about Jeremiah Smith.

Speaker 9 (01:49:39):
Oh jeez, yes, sir dude.

Speaker 7 (01:49:40):
If the Patriots are drafting high enough to draft.

Speaker 8 (01:49:43):
Jeremiah Smith in two years though, it's got a little while.

Speaker 16 (01:49:48):
Draft and watch, I know we're only got in twenty
twenty five.

Speaker 15 (01:49:52):
I get it.

Speaker 14 (01:49:53):
It's just makes sense though, because.

Speaker 27 (01:49:54):
Of how we're trying to get number one and it's
been so long since we have one.

Speaker 15 (01:49:58):
Yeah, and it just it just makes sense to me.

Speaker 2 (01:50:00):
I don't know it makes sense, but I hope we're
not in a position to get believe it or not.

Speaker 8 (01:50:04):
If we are we're picking number one overall, if we're
drafting Jeremiah Smith.

Speaker 4 (01:50:09):
Right at least right now.

Speaker 2 (01:50:10):
Yeah, so like yeah, I don't want to be that
bad where he's.

Speaker 27 (01:50:16):
Not that but like us trading up to get him done,
you know what I mean, Like Shay, we got all
the pieces and everything hopefully and we go ahead and
make that big deal.

Speaker 16 (01:50:26):
You know, we always trade back, but we never trade up.

Speaker 15 (01:50:29):
It's been a.

Speaker 9 (01:50:30):
While, you know.

Speaker 8 (01:50:30):
I mean we're talking about a for a non quarterback,
like an all time package to get it Jeremiah Smith.
Like he's it's not just the season that he had
last year at Ohio State. Like he's been on the
radar since he was like sixteen, Like you know, like
he's been ready for the NFL for like three years.

(01:50:51):
So it's not just that he had the great year
last year at Ohio State. You know, he's a generational talent.

Speaker 7 (01:50:56):
You might need the Burro Chas thing to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:50:58):
That's where my my my concept, thanks William, That's where
my concept of future picks being able to future pick
a guy and giving up your first round pick no
matter what happens, you've lost it to be able to
say two years from now we've drafted.

Speaker 8 (01:51:12):
They could have drafted him instead of Will Campbell this
year and stashed him.

Speaker 7 (01:51:15):
For They could have taken baby Gronk in the third round.

Speaker 2 (01:51:17):
Yeah, just wait, David Maine says, have you guys seen
any reps with Strange at center and Wilson at guard?
Strange did okay at center last year? Could you see
that being the best five?

Speaker 7 (01:51:28):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:51:29):
I think that experiment's over. But but Wilson, Yes, Wilson
at left guard in center.

Speaker 23 (01:51:34):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:51:36):
So we haven't seen Strange at center at all? No,
not one snap.

Speaker 8 (01:51:40):
Interesting they've had Bradbury, Ben Brown, Jared Wilson.

Speaker 7 (01:51:46):
I said to Evan too, like. I just I like
Ben Brown size.

Speaker 5 (01:51:48):
I don't know if he's really even in the mix
of the conversation for that spot, but I just think
i'd like. I like the idea having a big center
with so many tough, big interior guys, and our recent
history of guys on skates getting pushed back into the pocket.

Speaker 7 (01:52:02):
There is a there's a chance.

Speaker 4 (01:52:05):
Are you talking about a certain retired.

Speaker 7 (01:52:08):
No, No, nobody retired.

Speaker 8 (01:52:09):
Okay, there's a there's a sliver of a chance that
it's Jared Wilson and Ben Brown as the backup center.
I'm not saying that it's we're there yet.

Speaker 3 (01:52:21):
But do you think they might release Bradbury?

Speaker 7 (01:52:23):
There's a slipper.

Speaker 3 (01:52:25):
I do not think that that is much of a possibility.

Speaker 4 (01:52:30):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:52:31):
Destiny from Maryland writes in have you guys heard how
Taekwon is lighting it up at Chiefs training camp? Apparently
he's been running with the first team offense and the
Chiefs fans are gushing. I love to see the downfall
of other fans. Okay, let's let's but I do wish
he pans out.

Speaker 8 (01:52:47):
We have to teach you a lesson about Taekwon Thornton.

Speaker 6 (01:52:49):
This is what he does.

Speaker 8 (01:52:50):
This is what he shines. This is when he shines.
It's non padded practices and stuff. It's nobody gets hands
on him. Nobody's gonna actually like press him or be
physical with him. This time of year and the fourth
two comes out and he just is like last year
he was. He was Moss and Christian Gonzales last year.
In these early practices, this is the Taekwon experience.

Speaker 7 (01:53:12):
I've been duped.

Speaker 8 (01:53:13):
Don't don't get duped, can't don't get duped.

Speaker 4 (01:53:16):
Well, maybe you know what the fourth year is?

Speaker 8 (01:53:19):
This his fourth year in the league, fourth year jump?

Speaker 9 (01:53:22):
Maybe?

Speaker 8 (01:53:22):
Wow, very common fourth year jo.

Speaker 7 (01:53:24):
Life comes at you.

Speaker 2 (01:53:25):
Fast, new environment, your setting, fresh start. Who knows, maybe
you put some pounds on in the right place.

Speaker 8 (01:53:33):
I've never heard that before about Taekwan. Oh, he gained
fifteen pounds of muscle in the off season. Different guy.

Speaker 6 (01:53:39):
Fred's rooting for him. Sure, Melbourne, he's on another team.

Speaker 4 (01:53:43):
Jake and Melbourne.

Speaker 2 (01:53:44):
Apologies if it's always already been mentioned, But what has
the backup five on the O line?

Speaker 1 (01:53:49):
Ben?

Speaker 4 (01:53:50):
Or has it been too mixed up?

Speaker 3 (01:53:51):
I can tell you what it was today. Yeah, it
was Marcus Bryant, Kayden Wallace, Jared Wilson, City Sow and
Trey Jacobs left to right.

Speaker 6 (01:54:01):
That was your second group today.

Speaker 4 (01:54:03):
By the way, City so had some good one on one.

Speaker 3 (01:54:05):
Yeah, he had had the best one on one I
saw yesterday.

Speaker 6 (01:54:08):
Yeah, he absolutely destroyed Farmer. Yeah, just Joshua Farmer.

Speaker 5 (01:54:13):
Donald still doesn't seem like he's getting a sniff at
at left guard yet.

Speaker 8 (01:54:17):
It's weird like him and Laden Robinson are both wrapping
at right guard and it's like, I get you need
to have a backup. But like if they're not gonna
if they're not gonna swing, if you're not gonna have
if you're not gonna be able.

Speaker 7 (01:54:27):
To multiple, you can't.

Speaker 8 (01:54:30):
You can't be a one position backup on the especially.

Speaker 6 (01:54:34):
Exactly what Wilson said yesterday, one in the days this week.

Speaker 8 (01:54:37):
Especially on the interior. So like at some point they're
gonna have to throw them in. They if they have
real like hopes of them making the team, then they're
gonna have to throw them in at left guard and
see if can they hold up on both sides so
that they can be a backup on game day. Otherwise
you're one position backup.

Speaker 7 (01:54:53):
You don't want to be.

Speaker 2 (01:54:55):
All right, We're gonna end it a little early today.
I've got some things I've got to do. Busy, but
appreciate everyone watching listening.

Speaker 4 (01:55:04):
Tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:55:05):
We'll be back at our normal time, No, one o'clock tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (01:55:09):
Right, we'll start at one o'clock again tomorrow.

Speaker 6 (01:55:11):
Nomorris Wednesday showed them tomorrow two to four.

Speaker 8 (01:55:15):
I believe that's correct, two to four, a little bit
after two because Bart's busy, so you know, a little.

Speaker 7 (01:55:20):
Laughter maybe like all the punting spars world.

Speaker 6 (01:55:24):
We're all just living.

Speaker 8 (01:55:25):
He's got to talk to Zoe about practice.

Speaker 4 (01:55:27):
We'll let everyone know.

Speaker 2 (01:55:28):
Okay, So catch twenty two tomorrow and then we'll be
back on Thursday.

Speaker 4 (01:55:32):
See you then.

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