Patriots Unfiltered 7/3: 2025 Expectations, Offseason Topics

Tune-in as the PU crew talks 2025 expectation for the Patriots. We set benchmarks for Drake Maye, the offense/defense, coaches and season records. Plus, we chat about topics like all-time sports brawls, offensive coordinators and more!

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
There just was a lot of division, I think within
the ranks on those two staffs, and I think they
can really undermine what you're doing as a head coach.

Speaker 4 (00:28):
When Barth's cheating on you with David andrews Now on
that his new podcast, you should ask him a lot.

Speaker 5 (00:31):
That's a fair point.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
I can just see Evan, he's watching the Super Bowl
and he's got his jersey mics and he's like half
bites like they're running a six to one with the Tills.

Speaker 6 (00:41):
We all decided at some point that red meat was
the devil. So I don't know who you people are
eating a lot of red meat.

Speaker 5 (00:47):
Is not eat anything that bleeds or blood at one time.

Speaker 6 (00:50):
That's not It's not the best for you.

Speaker 5 (00:52):
Can I go to my dark negative side.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
Sure of course, that's why you're here, which people like
you in front of it.

Speaker 5 (00:58):
I mean, you know, they got nothing three hundred million dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
This makes the package they got for Mookie Bats look
like they got Jason bear attack in.

Speaker 6 (01:04):
Deren Hall for Heathcliffe and is the trade hit on
by the way, July end of July. I just don't
know why trading.

Speaker 5 (01:11):
For a month and a half. It's a month and
a half from now.

Speaker 6 (01:13):
You don't know how calendars work.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
It's less than a month of west he said, end
of July.

Speaker 6 (01:17):
Usually it's the middle of July. But but it's the
end of June.

Speaker 5 (01:21):
Now the seventh. That's the middle of children, middle of June.

Speaker 6 (01:24):
So it's less than a month away.

Speaker 5 (01:25):
I said a month and a half because he said
it was the end of July.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:29):
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Speaker 5 (01:40):
All right, welcome, red Light go on? But now I
do red Light is on?

Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yeah, madam, it is a special fourth of July Eve
show with starring Deuce Evan, Paul, Fred Matt and Nabooth World.

Speaker 5 (01:54):
Is that a face? Of course it is fourth What
are the.

Speaker 6 (01:57):
Traditions for that?

Speaker 4 (01:58):
You get bro find you don't make your powders on
the third?

Speaker 5 (02:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (02:04):
What some places do the fireworks on the third?

Speaker 5 (02:06):
Listen?

Speaker 2 (02:07):
My town did the fireworks last Saturday, and I forgot
and the dog went was Yeah, usually I can prep
my dog, you.

Speaker 6 (02:14):
Know, yeah, I'm going to value or something. How do
you prep your dog? It's a real thing.

Speaker 5 (02:19):
Oh, I know it is.

Speaker 6 (02:20):
They're terrifying.

Speaker 5 (02:21):
I know it is. Yeah, poor thing.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Anyway, Yeah, that went on for seventeen minutes, literally across
the street from Jeez. So but yes, some town towns
do do it on the third tonight.

Speaker 6 (02:34):
Yeah, need them does it on the third? I think
because like people have plans on the fourth.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:39):
Yeah. This Fourth of July is probably my second favorite.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
Holiday behind Christmas.

Speaker 5 (02:45):
Fair. Yeah, look at that good rankings Power rank my holiday.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
It's like Israel and Palestine coming together.

Speaker 5 (02:54):
That's yeah. Fourthge life for you is a big one.
That's like everything everything you love. I love it. Yeah
you said that. I love it. And the food's better,
but I do like Christmas the best.

Speaker 6 (03:03):
So you don't have turkey?

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Wouldn't you say that four traditional Fourth of July food
is better than Thanksgiving food?

Speaker 3 (03:09):
By launch Nesgiving food is the most overrated absolute and.

Speaker 5 (03:13):
My mom for Fourth of July we'd always get a
big roast. It was just what's the best a roast?
That's kind of weird. I have to say. It's a
reference to Jaws. Oh my holiday roast, I couldn't resist.

Speaker 6 (03:29):
I wus a lot of roasts.

Speaker 5 (03:33):
I went to the movies here.

Speaker 4 (03:34):
I've been on a little vacation and I saw a
preview four Jaws, which I know everyone make fun of me.
But that music when it starts coming through the big
speakers and then yeah.

Speaker 6 (03:42):
How did you see you? For a movie?

Speaker 5 (03:43):
They're releasing it, Evan, because it's a classic. Well Fleet
drives playing it. Are they really I don't know. August
twenty ninth, me and Paul were talking.

Speaker 4 (03:52):
They re release it, and they also are giving away
and not giving away. You can buy it, but the
souvenir cups are like the barrel from the Yeah, so I.

Speaker 5 (04:01):
Go on with three battles.

Speaker 4 (04:02):
On's got my name written all over it, I think
August twenty ninth, so I think we I think we
might have to make a little walk over to the theater.

Speaker 5 (04:09):
Maybe Paul's got under something, He's got under the boat.

Speaker 4 (04:12):
We can we can just talk the whole movie and
people that these guys are the most annoying guys ever.

Speaker 5 (04:15):
Were just line for line the whole you had to
deal with that. I did well. I'm glad you brought
that up.

Speaker 8 (04:20):
Aul.

Speaker 4 (04:20):
That was something for the group because I was at
a movie with my kids and there were a bunch
of middle schoolers who came in and I'm.

Speaker 5 (04:25):
Like, Oh, this isn't gonna be good. They're just talking.

Speaker 4 (04:28):
One of them took a speakerphone call just as the
movie Jurassic Park was starting, and I just was so
stuck because I feel like there's like you can start
to get into it with middle school boys, but you're
not gonna win. Like those kids, I feel like, are
just they're just gonna.

Speaker 5 (04:42):
Be shut up, old man, get out of you know.
So I was just I thought of you guys because
I'm like, I been friend the hammer, Like, what are
you gonna do? They're middle school I know.

Speaker 4 (04:51):
And that's what I said to my kids afterwards, is
I was like, you know, the only thing to do,
I feel like, is to be like and I won't.

Speaker 5 (04:55):
I won't swear her on the raid, like hey, shu,
you know you just like that me. I mean, man
boy aggressive sho like shut the front right now, you
know that kind? But I just a parent got up
and talked to them I.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
Mean, it was just they were talking the whole the
whole movie. The whole movie is no, you gotta come down,
you gotta lay the hammer down.

Speaker 5 (05:13):
There's no winning though against middle school kids. I just
I felt powerless.

Speaker 4 (05:16):
I felt like, no matter what I say, they're gonna
have some smart ass comment, it's just gonna get him
an even more.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
You can't hit him saying I don't have to hammer.

Speaker 5 (05:24):
And when they walked out at the end of the
movie and I saw them in the light, I was
just like, you gotta be kidding me, Like, these kids
look like they're about you know, they probably are like eleven,
twelve years old.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
Well that's where the that's your phone conversation.

Speaker 5 (05:35):
That was ridiculous, and they and you could tell they
thought they were being funny with it. And I was
getting ready to get up and say something because.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
We were in those nice, yeah, reclined seats, so you know,
when you're at your lette stadium, they publish if there's
a problem.

Speaker 5 (05:48):
Here's the thing, detective.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
That's what I was thinking about, the same thing in
the movie.

Speaker 4 (05:51):
And then but you know how like movie movie, like
movie employees, like the guy who just comes in with
you know, like the long hair and they're like.

Speaker 6 (05:58):
He's the one doing a phone call. That's that's good.

Speaker 5 (06:02):
That's why if you're not here to watch the movie,
get out. I know it was. It ruined my my,
my move, my movie going experience.

Speaker 6 (06:10):
So it was so I didn't the movie and self
didn't ruin it because.

Speaker 4 (06:14):
Now the movie wasn't great, but it's like, though, so
that was kind of my way to try to make
it a little.

Speaker 5 (06:20):
Bit more entertaining. Three. No, it's his Jurassic part of
Jurassic part Josh three. They did actually do that later
the terrible, terrible movie. Yeah, Scar Joe was in it.
Though it was it was forgettable, you know, but I
feel like the three D kind of makes it visually
entertaining so you can sit through it. At least it

(06:40):
doesn't I think.

Speaker 6 (06:41):
So it's upsetting to me that, like, did Hollywood so unriginal?
Now that we're on like Jurassic Park seventeen, it was like,
can we come up with something?

Speaker 5 (06:50):
We had to count out it's eight you're right movie,
this is the eighth, and.

Speaker 6 (06:54):
Then Fast and Furious is coming out with like this
is they're saying, this is the last one.

Speaker 5 (06:59):
Guys, it's the slowing down and not quite so ferious.

Speaker 6 (07:02):
It's like fast eleven.

Speaker 5 (07:04):
I just have the chime in. It's the seventh one.
Oh the dress work my son miscounted.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
Then I apologize, but still I would have thought like four,
like seven.

Speaker 6 (07:14):
No, because like Chris Pratt had his whole No, I
I enjoyed.

Speaker 5 (07:20):
Each one becomes like and we're gonna make this crazy
new dinosaur that yeah, like you can't do the you know,
the t rexident. But then at the end it's one
crazy it's a little bit over the top.

Speaker 6 (07:28):
Did you like the original?

Speaker 2 (07:29):
That seems like I really did, Like ready, yeah.

Speaker 6 (07:33):
And I thought the Chris Pratt reboot wasn't terrible. But
then they should have just stopped there like they kept now.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
But it's just the same thing. Every time you get loose.

Speaker 5 (07:43):
Then I get loose the same thing.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
I know.

Speaker 6 (07:45):
It's there was some jokes like that and the Chris
Pratt one where it was like they did this again. Yeah,
there were some of that.

Speaker 5 (07:55):
That was summer movie, you know, thing to do in
the summer, go see a movie. All right, Patriots, what
do we got? Nothing? Nothing?

Speaker 3 (08:03):
I mean, based on the first eight minutes of the show,
I think, well you can, Yes, we don't have.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
I was listening to Paul's show, or one of Paul's
shows yesterday and not the one I was on. I
guess there was some facacta list out there that ranked
the offensive cordinators and Josh McDaniels came up like twenty
one or twenty two, twenty two. Interesting, And what do
you think about that?

Speaker 6 (08:26):
I don't look at.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
I mean, is that is that the bias of the
his head coaching experience?

Speaker 3 (08:31):
So coming in I looked at and I was originally
taken aback when I saw the list. It's definitely low.
I mean, even after further evaluation, it's it's the.

Speaker 6 (08:41):
Thirty third team. No, it was Pro Football Network. I believe,
Oh that was your first mistake.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
And they had the list the top ten, I would
say kind of inarguable, like they're all I would say,
considered to be better than Josh McDaniel's pants got. But
when you get to the next ten, I think there's
some there's some arguments to be made individually here and there.
I think it's preference. I think what I think with

(09:07):
the the message there, they think he's I think a
little antiquated I think his his offense is a little
bit behind the times. I think that's the drawback there.
But there was other guys like Brian Dabele. What do
you think, Brian Dables? It was play callers by the way, Okay,
Kyle shanahan, all right, Kyle shanahan, Sean McVay.

Speaker 5 (09:30):
You know these are guys.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
You know.

Speaker 6 (09:32):
I have the list, like it's the list with all
the analysis, so I have to like scroll through things.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
It's Andy Reid, Sean McVay, Kyle Shannon, Kyle shanahan McVay,
Sean Payton.

Speaker 5 (09:42):
So there's a Kevin O'Connell arguable.

Speaker 3 (09:48):
I would I would say that you asked one hundred
fans guys, but you ask one hundred NFL fans and
they're all going to say no. Those guys are all
But Brian Dabele I would think still had a good reputation,
but he's down where McDaniels is.

Speaker 5 (10:03):
So that's why I took it.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
This is more of an indictment in the offense, I
think than the actual play caller.

Speaker 5 (10:09):
Yeah, because if Dabe was still with Josh Allen, he's
probably I.

Speaker 6 (10:12):
Have I have a lot of gripes with this list,
So I think that the middle ten, but not to
cho Kyle Shann's number one. I can't get higher than that,
and rightfully so.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
But the top ten you're okay with? Right, top ten
looks good? Yeah, it's the next ten?

Speaker 5 (10:25):
How many of those?

Speaker 6 (10:26):
Like how is Dave Knalis thirteen on this list?

Speaker 5 (10:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (10:30):
You know Zach Taylor with Kingsbury, Dave Canalis, Joe Brady
I think is in there somewhere, Like.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
So, what what are what are the correct here? It's
play callers? So are they looking for understands the flow
of the game?

Speaker 6 (10:44):
You know, like Zach Taylor at eighteen ahead of Josh
McDaniels is laughable. Like if you gave Josh McDaniels, Joe Burrow,
Jamar Chase and T Higgins, he would like he would
also have a great offense.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
But I'm just wondering, like, what are the what are
the elements that they believe whoever made this list to
make up a play call?

Speaker 6 (11:00):
It's a good question because you guys in the middle ten.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
I thought Stefanski was actually low based on what he's
done with a mess of the situation at the quarterback at.

Speaker 5 (11:09):
Times agree with that.

Speaker 4 (11:10):
I would just like to know from a really just
from a general numbers standpoint of how many head coaches
are play callers, Like, what is that number in the NFL?
I think it's it's you know, I mean, I guess
that would say probably the top ten is all head coaches.
I would guess this is that, like where Evan is
the first offensive coordinator if you don't mind scrolling of that, because.

Speaker 6 (11:32):
Well, now Ben Johnson's a head coach.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
Johnson, McVeigh, O'Connell.

Speaker 6 (11:38):
Sean Payton, Todd Monkin at eight.

Speaker 5 (11:40):
So it's like the first seven are all head coaches.

Speaker 6 (11:44):
Yeah, but so the criteria, it doesn't even have an
author on here. The criteria is a reputation, recent performance,
current scheme, and trajectory. And to me, like that's not
play calling. Has nothing to do with play call.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
So I think they're like they're just calling an offensive
coordinator with play call.

Speaker 6 (12:06):
I guess because like technically the architects like deduce his point,
like Kyle Shanahan is the architect of the forty nine
ers offense, but he's not their offensive coordinator. Yeah, he's
their head coach. So yeah, it in order to include
guys like Shanahan, McVeigh Andy Reid, like you have to
open it up to the head coaches, and the only
way to really do that is I would like, maybe

(12:27):
it's too fancy, but like offensive architect is really what
you're talking about, Like who is the director of the offense.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
If I were doing this list, I would absolutely have
all of those head coaches there because I consider those
guys whether they're actually calling the plays.

Speaker 5 (12:39):
They're running the office drive of the offense. Right.

Speaker 3 (12:41):
But I do think that one of the things that
you mentioned, Fred off the top is one of their criteria,
you know, recent recent trends. I think that he probably
does get knocked stable reputation. Yeah, Table and mc daniels,
I think for their recent time. I think if you
did this, you know, three or four years ago over dable,

(13:02):
he'd be higher than that. But the giant situation wasn't
like the Josh Allen, which is again why I agree
with Evans's point about well, jeez, if he gave McDaniels
Joe Burrow and T Higgins and Jamar Chase, I think
you'd probably look at him a little bit differently.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
And and you know, I get what people are saying
about maybe McDaniels offense has looked to be antiquated, but
I do think McDaniels has shown adaptability over the years.

Speaker 5 (13:30):
I mean he went in O seven.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
Once he had Moss in those tools, they opened things up.

Speaker 5 (13:36):
Now.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
I don't know if you're want to give Belichick credit
for that or McDaniels, but that was a different offense
than we've seen.

Speaker 5 (13:44):
I can I go and see Tom Brady.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
Well, Tom Brady's involved too, and obviously he had to
execute it. But somebody decided, okay, we're.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
Going to start getting changed the most that year.

Speaker 5 (13:56):
Well he did.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
He showed that he can do it anyway, but somebody
had to decide we're gonna do it a different way.
Whether that was Belichick or McDaniels, somebody had to make
that decision.

Speaker 5 (14:08):
I think it was Brady. He told them this is
what we're doing.

Speaker 3 (14:11):
I think he's the one who throws the passes. I
think he decides where to throw the ball.

Speaker 5 (14:15):
I understand. I think he was far more aggressive.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
But don't you think don't you think that the offense
changed a little bit once they had Moss.

Speaker 6 (14:23):
Absolutely certainly threw the ball more. Yeah, I mean their
personnel change like they went to three receiver. They've been
a slot receiver with Welker.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
I mean, I mean, if you want to call it
a group decision, fine, but I think McDaniels was involved
in it.

Speaker 4 (14:35):
We'll go to twenty twenty two. I mean with Cam Newton.
I mean he had to have to adjust things to that.
I think this circle is the biggest question we have
about Josh McDaniels, especially here, is just without Tom Brady,
what does it really look like, you know, when he
really has his guy. I mean we'd have to probably
do a deep dive into I mean, what was it
got rid of what's his face from from Denver when
he got there? Jake Cautler and Brandon Butler and Marshall.

(14:58):
But then who is the other guy that Kyle or
Tim Tebow hol Orton for a while.

Speaker 5 (15:02):
Kyle Orton instead of Jay Keller kind of there, you know.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
So so that maybe not the greatest personnel guy.

Speaker 5 (15:09):
Curious moves, I know, that's but not a good head coach.
You know.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
I was critical of the Patriots of that rookie year
for Matt Jones that they were coddling him. They weren't
you know, testing him and letting him make mistakes. But
maybe if McDaniels is here and he was being one
hundred percent honest, he said he just couldn't do things.

Speaker 4 (15:26):
So I had to kind of what it is we
had to do that based on saw from mac from that.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
Point, and and I do feel like they coddled him.
But you know, and I've been pretty stubborn about this,
but I have to admit that, you know, the numbers
would tell you they were okay, Right, they did all right.

Speaker 5 (15:43):
And he would probably make Jones. That's the only way
we could have been open.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
Now.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
I think there was so many of those points that
were scored by, whether directly or indirectly, the defense that
people don't really look into it. But the numbers are
the numbers, the numbers that had them being okay.

Speaker 5 (15:56):
Especially in comparison with the last two years we've watched
the offense. He'll for that based on what we saw
in the last two years.

Speaker 6 (16:02):
Yeah, it might be semantics, but like, that's not a
play caller list, Like that's not what play calling is, right.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
I don't but I think you're taking the term play
caller literally.

Speaker 5 (16:12):
Yes, Yes, I'm not offensive architects. I'm talking about.

Speaker 6 (16:16):
No, no, and that who's running the I understand.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
Saying if you were taking it literally, that wouldn't be
a good list.

Speaker 6 (16:24):
It's not a good list anyways, but it wouldn't be
especially would not be a good list if you're talking
about play calling itself. I think McDaniel's the top ten
play caller in the NFL. Like actually in game play calling,
you know, play calling, opening script, sequencing plays, setting up
things early in the games, adjusting to things that defense
is doing in game, you know, understanding situations like that.

(16:44):
That's play calling.

Speaker 5 (16:45):
Yeah, you know that.

Speaker 6 (16:46):
That's the type of stuff that I think that he's
a lead at. You know, in terms of interview, if
you want to say that these guys have more innovative
offenses for twenty twenty five, I guess you could make
that argument. I don't know what mcdaniels's offense is going
to look like now, but you can make that case.
But if you want to talk about guys that truly
understand the chess match and with the defense, and you're

(17:09):
running a play in the first quarter that isn't necessarily
all the time running it to be super successful running it,
but you're running it because in the fourth quarter, you're
gonna have a counter that they're not going to be expecting,
and that's when you're gonna make the big play happen.
You know, so much of the play callers opening script
is just setting up, Okay, if we come out in

(17:30):
this personnel grouping in this formation, like how is the
defense going to defend us? In that? You're learning, right,
You're digesting information so that later on in the game
you can call plays reacting to that. So, like, those
are the types of things that you get into with
play calling. That's different between designing an offense, Like those
are two different.

Speaker 4 (17:51):
I through even like the opening script of a game
onto that as well, Like guys that come out and
we saw plenty of times with the remember Patriots teams,
you know the other team will come out, go right
on the field and you're like, geez, how then they
wouldn't score again sometimes, But I think that's a great
reflection on some of these play callers as well.

Speaker 5 (18:07):
How prepared are you?

Speaker 4 (18:07):
That's the one, you know, set of plays where you're
not being reactive to how the game's going.

Speaker 5 (18:11):
You're going in this is how we want to do it. Guys,
offensive score on those first positions.

Speaker 6 (18:16):
But everybody treats the opening script like some coaches treat
it differently than others. Bill, I think was about gathering
information in the opening script. So like that's why I
think a lot of the times you did see offenses
score on the opening drive, because all Bill wanted to
do was see what their game plan was, Like we're
gonna come out, We're gonna be kind of vanilla, and
we're just gonna see how they want to attack us,

(18:38):
and then I'm going to come to the sideline with
my three things that are going to stop them for
the rest of the game. And so the Patriots were
more about opening scripts being about digesting information that the
opponent was giving to them so that they could adjust
to what the opponent was doing.

Speaker 4 (18:52):
And then annoying as an offensive coordinator though, where you're like,
I want to get these guys on the run.

Speaker 5 (18:56):
I want to go out there, I want to score,
you know.

Speaker 4 (18:58):
I mean, because there's many coordinators think toward defensive side
of game planning and you know, not trying to break
out all the tricks that you have up your sleeve
right out of the gate. But I'm fascinated by this
year with Josh the position he's been, where he's been,
the opportunity has to kind.

Speaker 5 (19:12):
Of cement a legacy here.

Speaker 4 (19:14):
He's got Drake May at his fingertips who has a
little bit of experience to build off of it. It's
a huge year, huge opportunity for him, I mean, his
legacy here the Patriots already probably pretty safe with the
success he had with Tom Brady, but to take it
to a whole other level now and really carve out
his own space as you know, playing people say, hey,
it was all Tom Brady, and you know what can

(19:34):
Josh do for this team now and get this offense
back on track that's just been i mean terrible the
last two years.

Speaker 5 (19:39):
Who is more to prove him? Are Vybel probably him?
Good question? I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (19:45):
My first instinct is him that I think Mike vrabel
Is is going to coach a team that's gonna play hard, consistently,
and I think his success will just depend on the
talent level, whereas Josh might be asked and I'm just
spitball off the top of my head here, but Josh
might be asked to have to work around some of
those deficiencies a little bit more than you know Verebe
can get away with a team that plays hard and
doesn't make mistakes, whereas if Josh's offense does not produce

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points in the NFL, it's gonna.

Speaker 5 (20:10):
But I like the question for it because you can
make a strong argument for both.

Speaker 3 (20:13):
Yeah, and you know, I know some guys have been
able to do it, but not a lot of guys
get a third shot. So if it doesn't worry for Rabel,
he's got a lot to prove to make sure that
it works.

Speaker 5 (20:23):
And obvious what Mike just said.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
About McDaniels, like, there's already that element of people out
there that think that it's Tom Brady.

Speaker 5 (20:31):
It's never really done it without Brady.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
So one of your guys, Joe Murray, I heard him
say it might have been this morning, said if if
May has a great year, May will get the credit
for it, but if he has a bad year, McDaniels
will get the blame.

Speaker 5 (20:45):
I'm not sure I believe that.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
And I was thinking to myself, Well, if May's turning
the ball over, May's going to get blamed for that.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
He will, you know, And I think if May makes
an enormous leap, I think McDaniel's going to.

Speaker 5 (20:56):
Get a lot of credit. I would think he's going
to make some credit.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
He's going to get credit. Ye question, people are going
to say May is really good. Yeah, But there's no
doubt in my mind that McDaniels is going to get
credit for tapping into that potential and doing what they
couldn't do last year and avoiding the mistakes and all that.

Speaker 5 (21:11):
Right, McDaniels will get credit. I think so too. So
I disagree and he should.

Speaker 6 (21:16):
I just saying it credit, like to what end? Like
he's not going to get another head coaching job? Oh no,
So like I mean, yeah, he'll get credit for I
think most people believe that McDaniel's are a really good
offensive mine. I don't. I don't really think that there's
a whole lot maybe on Paul shows, but like, I
don't think that there's a whole lot of people, uh
in the league, in the league as they say that,

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like look down on Josh McDaniels as an offensive coordinator
as a head coach. You know, maybe, but I think
a lot of people respect else.

Speaker 5 (21:47):
I wonder if.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
We think more of McDaniels here, myself included, then, is
largely the opinion around the league.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
I probably because A we know more about him, and
B it's the head coaching I think tarnish his other achiation.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
Like to Evan's point when he was talking about like
a lot of nuance, you know, sequencing plays and the
script and what you're trying to do and how you
were adjusting. I have no idea how anybody else in
the league is at that, because if you don't.

Speaker 6 (22:17):
Watch every every game, every drive of every every game, you.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
Have no All I know is that after one play
Brady looked at Josh and went like that.

Speaker 5 (22:26):
So if Brady liked.

Speaker 6 (22:27):
Him then the night before.

Speaker 5 (22:30):
So I would.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
But I would agree with Evan's assessment that the Patriots
that I've watched over the last twenty five years have
been very good at that. They have for the most part,
they've been very good at sort of seeing what the
other team's doing both sides of the ball, adjusting and
not necessarily succeeding with one thing. They're figuring out different
ways to exploit matchups and whatnot. I think the Patriots

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have been very good at that. I don't have any
idea if every other team is good at it, because
I think that closely.

Speaker 6 (22:57):
Yeah, a lot of coaches, especially the Shanahan try guys.
It's a system, and the system is like you know,
they just you run the system and you eventually it works,
you know, like you expect it to work.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
But I don't know if like Cincinnati's offense, does it
so well because their personnel is just that good, yes,
or if they have something in the way that they're
designing offenses to get guys open.

Speaker 6 (23:19):
I don't have much, no idea. I don't have much
positive things to say about that.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
But that's that was just thought. That was just one
team that I just brought up. Yeah, you know, And
is it because of the personnel? Is it because I
don't know, I don't know the answer.

Speaker 5 (23:34):
Is it you know?

Speaker 3 (23:35):
Was McDaniels so successful at adjusting to what Seattle was
doing in Super Bowl forty whatever that one was forty nine?
I think I've been to so many I can't remember.
Was it because they were adjusting to what Seattle was doing?
Or is it because Tom Brady's just that much better
than everybody else? And he just says, I figured it out.
I have the answers to the test, as he famously said,

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and this is what we're going to do. Yeah, I
don't know, Like I think there's a lot of nuance
there that's hard to know from the outside.

Speaker 4 (24:04):
I'm going back to twenty twenty one and trying to
remember who got credit for a solid year between Josh
and and Mac, and I think they both kind of
got credit. I mean, Josh got another head coaching job
and Mac made the Pro Bowl alternate.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
You know, but Mac was was absolutely given a lot
of credit for what a great rookie year.

Speaker 5 (24:24):
Drafting year two?

Speaker 3 (24:25):
Do you remember maybe the only time that I can
never remember on this show, Fred drew the ire of
people when you remember the five guys that got drafted in.

Speaker 5 (24:35):
The first round, who would you take now?

Speaker 6 (24:38):
And Fred was like Trevor Lawrence, oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
And people got Mady Oh yeah, remember Yeah, That's like
the only time I ever really remember getting getting getting
the smoke. As the kids said, oh never, no one's
ever given Fred a problem, and he said Trevor Lawrence, yeah,
because that's how highly people were thinking of Mac.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
Jst like, And now Trevor Lawrence hasn't done great either,
But I still say in a better team, with better coaching,
Trevor Lawrence.

Speaker 5 (25:08):
Would have had a better career. I see I see
the upside with him, and.

Speaker 4 (25:13):
You think he's one of those guys though that's going
to catch on, maybe with another team.

Speaker 5 (25:16):
And I think.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
I think he could be one of those Kirk Cousins
type of guys.

Speaker 4 (25:20):
You know, he's got all the talent, just needs to
get out of I remember we talked about it at
the time when he got drafted where whatever, going back
to his high school stats, like the kid had lost
like one game ever, I think, and right then he arrives.

Speaker 5 (25:31):
In Jacksonville and it's it's been a whole lot of
losing for him. But yeah, so talented. Oh I still
like him.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
I still like him, But I like Drake may too,
and I'm happy we.

Speaker 6 (25:41):
Have Liam Cone is thirteenth on this I think it was.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
That was the one that really stood out. That was
got Beatle and I because he's a you mask guy.
Beadle's a U Mass guy, and he's like, no, we'll
go that's absurd. That's absurd that he is. He is
that high in the list. That was the one that
really stuck on because.

Speaker 6 (25:57):
Liam Cone is high, Dave Canalis was high. I thought
Canals they had who was the other one that that
stood out to me, like Chip Kelly hasn't coached in
the NFL and quite a bit of time, but he's down.

Speaker 5 (26:10):
And yeah he's down to McDaniels.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
He was ahead of McDaniels, Dabel, it was it was
Chip Kelly, Dable, someone else, and I think McDaniels that
was like the group, and I thought those guys should
have been ahead of, like Dave Canalis, and they don't.
William Cohen but like Chip Kelly hasn't how tight and
Andy Reid's pants he's really tight.

Speaker 5 (26:28):
He was like three. Well, Josh lost somes weight. He
can't really wear type pants. He's pants, they're too loose.
He used to be tight.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
Adam and Louisiana writes in who do you think has
the better Patriots legacy as of today? Josh McDaniels or
Dante Scarnecia. I personally think Dante has it right now
because so much of McDaniel's success is tied to Brady.
But I think he could surpass Dante if he's successful
with May.

Speaker 6 (26:52):
It's gonna be Hardtecarnek's hard.

Speaker 5 (26:54):
He's kind of a legend, has lapped them. Yeah, he's
kind of a legend.

Speaker 4 (26:57):
Yeah, he's definitely a legend for sure. Yeah, I mean
it's all Matthew Slater. Though Matthews Slater made.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
What well it just from the second, like Daniels, you
imaginary co host that's sitting next.

Speaker 5 (27:13):
To it's like dementia. Maybe it's early on set to
mention you know what it is. It's like I've been
doing like four days of vacation that I come in
for a couple of days. That's so I'm kind of like,
I feel like I'm half vacation deuce right now.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
You know.

Speaker 6 (27:26):
That's fine. Kellen Moore, like Jesus Keen.

Speaker 4 (27:30):
Sorry, sorry, I will say though I noticed Dave Canalys
is getting a lot of love lately for some of
the changes I guess he implemented for Carolina last year
and kind of tailoring the offense more around Bryce.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
The only thing I would say specifically with Canalis that
I'm impressed with is he did what we kept talking
about wanting to see from the Patriots last year and
in the second half of the season. You know, the
last quarter of the season, the Panthers became a difficult
team to play against, and they didn't win a lot
of games, but they were very competitive. They won a

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couple they looked like they were getting better. That's what
we wanted to see. I'll give Canalis credit for that.
Navigating a difficult situation, having a bench your former number
one overall pick quarterback and then having him respond to
that tells me that he did it the right quote
unquote the right way.

Speaker 5 (28:19):
Those things can go on.

Speaker 6 (28:20):
I just have a tough time with guys like Canalis
and Cone specifically because they're not running their own system
like they're running Bruce Arians's offense, which was in Tampa
Bay McDaniel and there's there's a reason why Baker Mayfield
has transitioned offensive coordinators like three times now in the

(28:40):
last like five years, four years, and it's been seamless
because they're all running the same playbook. So it's like,
you know, and look, I know every coordinator has his
own twist on things and things like that, but like
we're not really talking about you know, guys that are
truly like Andy Reid or Kyle Shanahan or Sean McVay.
Those guys have really run their own offense like they

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they are really you know, they're all offshoots of the
West Coast, but like they run their own offense. You know,
these guys are picking up where other people have left off.
So it's like, I can't. I have a tough time
with that. You know, Josh like did the same thing,
but John's been doing it for a really long time.
So like, is it really the Charlie Weiss offense at
this point? Like probably not.

Speaker 5 (29:26):
Call things the same. Yeah, yeah, we go back to
Dante real quick.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Though.

Speaker 4 (29:31):
My joke aside, like that to me is what we
give a lot. I think we devalue coaches a lot.

Speaker 5 (29:37):
Like we're always talking it's all the players, and.

Speaker 4 (29:38):
I know football, but you know, I think coaches generally
get devalued. He's one though that even going back to
when he was first here in the eighty five team,
which you know, I'm doing a thing on right now,
but like his unit was outstanding.

Speaker 5 (29:50):
His unit, they make game changing plays.

Speaker 4 (29:52):
And granted he's only coaching a position group, so it's
a little bit hard, a little bit easier, I would say,
but you guys saw it. No no matter who he had,
he could put performances out of players, you know, and
again like it's not you're not a whole team, you're
not building the team, but he.

Speaker 5 (30:07):
Could get everybody up to a functional level. He could
get anybody to a functional level. He could develop guys,
and he did it consistently.

Speaker 4 (30:14):
And I think that's what we all look for in
our coaches that you know, have been around.

Speaker 5 (30:18):
It's just get the most out of your guys. And
that's something that whether.

Speaker 4 (30:21):
He was coaching special teams, which we were coaching tight ends,
Dante Scarneckia has done it in this league.

Speaker 5 (30:26):
He was a guy.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
We've heard it enough from enough players that you wanted
to do well for him, like you didn't want to
let him down, like and so whatever he did to
get people to feel.

Speaker 5 (30:37):
That way, it worked. Yeah, you know hard, I just
didn't want to let him down demanding hard. I mean,
the all the stories from those linemen, but they knew
he cared about them. Yeah, yeah, you know. Now he's
a he's a special guy. I mean, I got to
interview him for that.

Speaker 4 (30:50):
If I think it's the first time I talked to
him a little bit while he was here, when he
was you know, coaching and various coaching, you know, when
we have the opportunity for availability. But it was the
first time I had just a real conversation with him
and I shared with him that in ninety one, when
I was at Hollison High School, I was on the sideline,
you know, our community cable access channel. I got to
be the cameraman with like a three quarter deck and
the game I was there against.

Speaker 5 (31:10):
New Orleans in ninety one was the game that Dick Macpherson.

Speaker 4 (31:13):
I think, was sick and he took a scar had
to fill in. And I said, you know, Scars, just
to let you know I was on the sidelines.

Speaker 5 (31:18):
When you need you know, all that's very special, but
just such a great guy. I mean you could just
tell why.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
It was funny you were on the sideline and I
was watching that game in the stand.

Speaker 5 (31:26):
No, really, that was there. I mean that was like,
that's how stupid it was.

Speaker 4 (31:30):
When I started being in the video communications class at
my high school, I would do the sideline cam for
the football games and they were like, I remember the director,
the guy the teacher.

Speaker 6 (31:38):
Was like, oh my god, look at how steady this
kid is.

Speaker 4 (31:41):
Like, you know, like watching that, I love being shooting football.
And then there was a guy, Timmy King in town
who had his own cable access show and he was
like the Patriots of have credentialed me, I need a
cameraman who's good with a handheld and so, and this
is back in the day a three quarter inch deck,
So you had a three quarter inch deck. The thing,
of course, it was like the video cameras now are
like you could shoot the whole thing.

Speaker 5 (31:59):
On your phone.

Speaker 4 (31:59):
This was you had a deck with the giant ass
video three quarter deck with the camera and we were
walking around all the parking lots.

Speaker 6 (32:07):
That was a year.

Speaker 5 (32:07):
I think they won two games the whole year. Patriot
fans still just loving it, but went into the press box,
went into the locker room afterwards, interviewed Fred Smurlis, Vincent Brown.

Speaker 4 (32:17):
It was my first taste of ever being around this stuff.
So yeah, that's cool, cool, take cool memory.

Speaker 5 (32:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (32:22):
That was really the only time that I was ever
out on the Patriots, like ninety when they went one
in fifteen with Rod Rust and they were just such
a train wreck and they would even worse off the field,
and then McPherson came in and I was like, that's
not going to like, that's not the guy, Like, it's
not gonna work. And they were a little bit better

(32:43):
that ninety one season. I think they won like five
games or six games or something like that, and then
they bottomed out again at two and fourteen, and then
like that three year period was the only time I
was ever really out on the Patriots. Then they hired
Parcels and I was.

Speaker 5 (32:56):
Back right, I'm back, baby, out right in line.

Speaker 6 (32:59):
I think there's a real case in my mind for
Dante being in the Pro Football Hall of Fame as
like a contributor to the game.

Speaker 5 (33:05):
I would agree.

Speaker 6 (33:06):
I think he's the best positional coach of all time.
So like, I think there's a real case for that.
I mean, he's.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
Best positional coach of all time.

Speaker 6 (33:15):
Of all time. I think he's the best of it
of all time. Is definitely I would make an argument
for Dante. Yeah, definitely, you know, the best offensive line
coach of all time. And I think that's the hardest
position to coach because you have the most guys to coach,
and it's you know, five man unit that you're coaching,
and so you have to have everybody, uh, you know,

(33:36):
working together. It's not like your coaching receivers is like
in an individual position, right, you know, the offensive line
it's the weakest link in that whole thing. Like you
have to be together as a group. And I think
he's the best it's ever done it, you know, from
player development to also in game you know, getting everybody,
all five guys to execute and on the same page.
So he's, uh, he's the best ever in my opinion.

Speaker 4 (34:00):
And Rod Rust And that was a story that I
just rediscovered was Rod Rust was fired midway through the
eighty four season, and then they went back and rehired
him as the defensive coordinator, and all the players of
that eighty five team love Rod Rust. I mean that
defense was excellent. He was an excellent defensive coordinator. But
all I think of him defensive genius. Yeah, they were

(34:20):
all so excited to get him back. I just think
of him, as you said, Paul, as that coach of
a really failed team, and who was that guy who
was terrible? And then you go back and you realize, like,
this guy's like the Rex Ryan of his day.

Speaker 5 (34:33):
That's the thing.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
You know, we kind of make fun of the NFL
a lot because it seems like they just rotate coaches through.
Once you have a job, you always have a job.
But we don't know and this gets to the you know,
we only know the Patriots some of these guys that
are cycling through are really good coaches. And that's why,
you know, it was a new coach comes in and
I want Rod Russ because as a positional coach, they

(34:58):
are really good, you know, and as fans, we just
don't know that, right.

Speaker 4 (35:03):
I mean, the truth of is he coordinated one of
the best Patriots defenses of all time. So you know,
it's that's something that's lost in perspective. And you just
remember those terrible years in the early nineties when they
could barely win a game.

Speaker 5 (35:16):
But hey, we're here, now we're back.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
Yeah, got through the last and you know, these gms,
they know the truth. It's like, yeah, that team had
no talent, that's why they didn't do well.

Speaker 5 (35:27):
It wasn't Rod Rust you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
The GMS know the truth, or they should know that.

Speaker 6 (35:33):
They bring back good ones to Josh. It's just like
certain guys are just better in those roles than as
the head coach. McDaniels is just a better offensive coordinator
than the head coach. And I remember when I wrote
about what Dante about, you know, going to the Patriots
Hall of Fame, I was like, why you never wanted
to like go higher up the ranks, like you know,
offensive coordinator or head coach or or anything like that.

(35:55):
And he was like, I was really really good at
what I did well.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
Dick Lebow is the most famous one. I think he
could have been a head coach if he really wanted to.

Speaker 5 (36:03):
But he knew he was. He knew well he was,
but he didn't. He didn't. It didn't work. Yeah, but
he was. He was a head coach, yeah, but he
was a coordinator. That was what he was.

Speaker 3 (36:12):
There's a lot of guys like that that just they
were better suited. Maybe they didn't have the Ernie Zampizzi
that the gravitas to sort of command the entirety of
the team and didn't necessarily have that kind of a touch.

Speaker 6 (36:27):
And I think Josh is one of those guys.

Speaker 5 (36:28):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
I just don't think it worked because he lost both teams.

Speaker 5 (36:32):
Yeah, he lost.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
He lost the Broncos and he lost the Raiders. So
it just that's not a coincidence, right. Some guys are
just better suited.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
And I think Dante, like he took over in a pinch,
but I don't think he ever had head coach aspirational
that's what Devin.

Speaker 6 (36:46):
Just said no, no, at least that's what he told me.
And he just said that you know, when you're you
want he just wanted to master the craft of where
he was at and he didn't want to he didn't
even want to be a coordinator. Yeah, it's kind of
like an he almost like he didn't want to get
too big for his bridges type of thing too, Like
he just he wanted to stay in his lane like
and I think that that's why, you know, talking to him,

(37:08):
like he just loved coaching under Bill, because like Belichick
just well it was perfect for Dante, Like he just
allowed Dante to be Dante and his in Dante's Inferno,
and he didn't have like it wasn't he wasn't bothered,
and it wasn't like you know, he wasn't asked to
do things that were outside of his comfort zone. And
he just thrived with that kind of kind of coach

(37:30):
to be able to do that.

Speaker 4 (37:32):
So I mean that's you know, to he survived the
regime change in the early nineties.

Speaker 5 (37:36):
I mean Bill Parcels was like, I have a job
for you. This is what it is.

Speaker 4 (37:40):
Take it or leave it, and Dante stuck around but
I mean he's just, like I said, the ability to
bring players up along and even players you know, like
like Matt Lighte for you know who maybe wasn't like
the greatest left but played at a championship level and
you know, contributed to those teams.

Speaker 6 (37:56):
Yep, been a good good run for Dante, all right.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
Eight five Pat's five hundred is the Hotline podcast at
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(38:20):
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that in the newsletter.

Speaker 5 (38:26):
Oh yeah, Paul show off. It wasn't really anything. It
was something Paul, come on.

Speaker 6 (38:32):
Really.

Speaker 5 (38:34):
There was a number.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
No, there was a caller that that he wanted to
test Paul's numbers dollarge and he went was twenty guys
ranging from the seventies to and Paul got the only one.

Speaker 5 (38:46):
I think we missed.

Speaker 6 (38:47):
There was an offensive lineman.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
Yeah, wallabah, I think it was sixty.

Speaker 5 (38:51):
I thought it was it was sixty four, but I
don't remember anyway.

Speaker 6 (38:54):
I would be like, can you can you even do
it now? Like I feel like you're even Miles Battle?

Speaker 5 (39:01):
No, can I do it now?

Speaker 6 (39:03):
Yeah? That's the ironic part about it.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
I think if you if you grilled me on like
guys that played from twenty ten on, I bet you
I would get a couple wrong.

Speaker 4 (39:11):
Yeah, yeah, Miles Battle, it's the other ones that are thirty.

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(39:36):
hit up the phones. People joining us on the eve
of the fourth of July. Wherever you wame. Uh, Nate's
in Connecticut. What's up, Nate?

Speaker 9 (39:48):
Hey you guys?

Speaker 5 (39:49):
You we will yep.

Speaker 9 (39:51):
Okay. So I just had a couple of thoughts.

Speaker 10 (39:53):
On Marcella's styles. I personally think he is not going
to make the team this year. You know, he didn't
really play that much in the corner bedroom, but he
was on special teams a lot. But I think with
a lot of the people we've drafted and the udfas,
I think other people are going to be taking that spot,
and I think Marcellus Dial is gonna find his way out.

(40:16):
He really hasn't done a lot. I mean, we saw
we saw him play and like you know, preseason, and
I think he looked all right, but he just didn't
have the strongest of his year and I don't think
he's gonna make it this year.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
Now, why are you particularly concerned with Marcella's style?

Speaker 11 (40:34):
I don't know.

Speaker 10 (40:35):
I feel like we've had other people step up, like
I know, like Isaiah Boldens.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
No, no, no, But but my question like, nay, why
why is he on your mind? Why why Marcella's Dial
and some other guy and not some other guy?

Speaker 10 (40:50):
Well, we have we haven't really talked a lot about
Marcellus dis.

Speaker 5 (40:55):
Yeah, there's a reason.

Speaker 6 (40:59):
Him and Isaiah Ball didn't feel like two guys that
are both trying to stick on Thanks Day, I could
see only one of them making it. And right now
I probably lean a little bit towards Bolden just because
he's got a little bit more versatility on defense and
special team.

Speaker 3 (41:16):
I've seen him play more defensive snaps in my mind
than I have Dial, But I don't know.

Speaker 6 (41:22):
They're using Dial a little bit in the slot, which
I could see, you know, as a bigger slot, but
Bolden can kind of do the same thing, and then
Bolden can return kicks and cover kicks and special teams
with Dial is not going to do that. So the
coaches are pretty high on Dial. And it's the same
coaching staff on special teams with Springer coming back and
Tom Quinn. But they are pretty high of what my
Marcella's Dial did on special teams. But he's not a returner,

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he's just covering kicks.

Speaker 5 (41:46):
And I don't think that they really.

Speaker 3 (41:50):
I can totally see a scenario where Bolden and Dial
are in or out or one or the other. Like
I totally see that. But like there's really been not
much changed of that depth. That they replaced Jonathan Jones
with Carlton Davis, right, So that's the starter, first starter,
you know, next to Gonzo. Marcus Jones is still there,
Alex Austin is still there.

Speaker 5 (42:11):
After those four, those four.

Speaker 3 (42:13):
You can you can definitely sell me on any of
those other guys.

Speaker 5 (42:17):
But like they didn't.

Speaker 3 (42:18):
I mean Kobe Myer, I guess, Miles Battle, DJ James.

Speaker 6 (42:24):
Brandon Crossley showing off his big brain. Now, I mean
it's like those guys the UDFA is like that, that's
the list.

Speaker 5 (42:32):
I mean, then those guys are third day three flyers.

Speaker 3 (42:36):
And I didn't see any of those guys in the spring, like,
oh wow, look at him.

Speaker 5 (42:41):
You know DJ James, Did I get that right?

Speaker 3 (42:45):
J James is out there with with Gonzo. I didn't
see any of the like I saw that with with
you know, once upon a time with Malcolm Butler. All
of a sudden, some random U d f A is
out there with the regular players, and you're like, oh,
we got to keep an eye on this, right, I mean,
it's it. I didn't see that really in the supre.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
My days of getting excited over you the fas and
seventh round picks are over.

Speaker 5 (43:05):
I used to get excited about them. But now it's
like now if they have come a long way. Now,
if they if they happen, they have happened right right,
And that's what you would hope after Alex Austin that,
you know, and Alex Austin was kind of one of
those guys a couple of years ago. I mean, I
think it traded for him at some point, But you.

Speaker 4 (43:21):
Just hope maybe one of those guys emerges and is
able to I mean, Isaiah Bolden's got some good size dials, fast,
Kobie miners fast, They're all fast. But I don't know
those are bottom of the depth chart kind of battles
that guys are gonna win on Teams Special, you know,
And if one of those guys happens to emerge and
suddenly is getting reps with Gonzo, that.

Speaker 6 (43:42):
Feels pretty secure. The other spots are going to be
determined by who can cover kicks, like and I don't
really feel like they need to keep six of these guys, Like,
I don't think that room is particularly deep in that regard.
I just think it's so top heavy that you know
that Gonzales and Davis are to be playing a ridiculous
amount of snaps for you next year, so behind you

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is really special teams.

Speaker 5 (44:05):
It's just it might be a problem, you know, like
like a Gonzo gets hurt or Carlton Davis gets hurts,
like one you might have to rely on one of
these guys that right now.

Speaker 6 (44:12):
I have some faith in alex Osino.

Speaker 4 (44:16):
There's four and you need three at least full time,
so you have a little bit of protection there, but
it goes downhill pretty quick.

Speaker 5 (44:23):
Matt's in New Hampshire.

Speaker 12 (44:24):
Hey Matt, Hey, you guys hear me? Okay, yes, perfect,
I've st a question. We've talked about this at nauseum before.
Before I get to it, I just want to congratulate
you Evan on getting married.

Speaker 13 (44:39):
Thank you of course.

Speaker 8 (44:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (44:43):
Just uh, just with the guard the left guard position.
Like I said, it's been talked about so much, like
if you guys have this pick right now, who's your
day one starter there? I know the options aren't great
if I had to pick, and it's probably the Cold
Strange at this point. Or is there a betteran out
there at free agent that you guys think.

Speaker 5 (45:01):
I don't know about a free agent. That's tough to say.
I probably with you on Cold Strange. That feels strong.

Speaker 6 (45:07):
I would probably lean Strange as well.

Speaker 3 (45:10):
But I want to see when they start training camp
what Jared Wilson's doing.

Speaker 6 (45:14):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm holding out hope that either Jared
Wilson or Kaden Wallace, one of those two guys, whether
it's Wilson at center or guard, it takes over and
kind of improves that interior. Just with younger players that
you're a little bit more. I don't know if it's
just the unknown of what they really are versus Cole
Strange what I kind of just feel like we know

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that Cole Strange is just is who he is. Whereas
those other guys, I think there's maybe still some development
to do and still some upside that exists with them,
especially Jared Wilson. Brandon Shurff's a free agent, which is interesting,
but career right guard, not not a left guard. But
if he was kicking around and we're two weeks into
training camp and they look at it and they're like

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each like, this is gonna this isn't going well. You
know this, this left guard by committee is not working out.
I would could see Brendon Sheriff coming in and still
being the respectable starter, but you'd have to be a
want to play and be want to play at left guard.

Speaker 3 (46:13):
Still available now and he must be done like dinner.
I would say, good, that's a good player to be available.

Speaker 6 (46:20):
Yeah, but it could also have to do you know,
a lot of those types of veterans don't really want
to do training camp, so like they tend to sign
like two weeks into camp and like kind of skip
the dog days of training camp in the beginning and
then get into it once the preseason game start. You
see that, Like if you if you see Brendon Sheriff
sign like right around where Zeke Elliott signed with the

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Patriots a couple of years ago, like that would be
sort of the sweet spot for somebody like that.

Speaker 5 (46:46):
Thanks, Matt, appreciate the call.

Speaker 3 (46:47):
In my mind, I just got validated done.

Speaker 5 (46:50):
Like dinnerd.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
Deshaun's in North Dakota. We don't get a lot of
callers from North Dakota.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
North.

Speaker 5 (46:57):
What's up to.

Speaker 13 (46:57):
Sean No, No, no, Virginia, I think.

Speaker 5 (47:02):
Okay, yeah, uh, what's.

Speaker 13 (47:10):
Up guys, Jeremy.

Speaker 5 (47:14):
Yeah, happy for the.

Speaker 13 (47:16):
Yes uh based I want to touch based on what
you guys gonna saying before about the Tom Brady things,
and I think it was interesting because it's some of
the things they've been saying for the longest time. The
reason why I always thought that Brady fits uh bra
bradyserveralized their credits because we would have to take into
account is that you can't expect this team to have that,
you know that what or machine like it did back

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in the day because the centerpiece is Tom Brady. Darn
Brady's made the best of the situation, situation, no matter
who was around him, you know.

Speaker 14 (47:46):
Uh.

Speaker 13 (47:47):
And then most people seen once he ever got a
four like Brandy Moss, he took off. And I've been
saying that that, please give him a real weapon, get
him a real weapon. There's something that other quarterbacks disposed,
he has faced over the years that building the benefit
from and now you're complisces nowhere near as much together
accomplished despite him dealing with the left. So when you
talking about organizations and you know in situations like the

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forty nine ers and Sin Study Bengals or whatever, uh, yes,
a lot of it have to do a lot of
their personnel or whatever. But the reason why as far
with the port now can't maximize it because they don't
have number twelve turns water. He throws water into wine. Yeah,
that reason why we felt like we should not take
this for granted because it's something we're never going to

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see again. Deb I always thinking that, So it should
be very important for them to get weapons for Drake
Maine yes, because he's not gonna be to do what
Tom is done. Yep, that's all I wanted to say.

Speaker 5 (48:43):
I agreed to Sean.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
I mean, you gotta get them weapons, you need, you
need to build around them. And I think I think
next year, unfortunately, you know, I think this year all
the big names are out, but I think next year
that will be the focus, regardless of what happens this year,
that we've got to get some off the weapons on
this team. But I think, you know, I think I

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like the addition of Henderson as running back. I know
he's a running back, but I think he I'm hoping
he will be a weapon.

Speaker 5 (49:14):
For this team. Me too. There's a lot who's a weapon.
Henderson he should be. I hope he will be.

Speaker 6 (49:20):
Were you doing the weapon debate again?

Speaker 3 (49:22):
No, No, I think if if if he turns out,
that's a weapon. If he if he pans out, I
would say that he qualifies as a weapon.

Speaker 5 (49:29):
He's a big play candidate. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (49:31):
I don't necessarily disagree with to caller, but like, it's
just kind of disrespectful to just be like everybody that
played with Brady was just because of Brady, like or
everybody that coached on with Brady. Was here was just
because of Brady? Like, well, no, but I think I mean,
Rob Gronkowski is a pretty good player.

Speaker 5 (49:47):
The other way they had to get they had to
go out and get the.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
Weapons to get Brady to go to he had already
won three titles. I think it's disrespectful to Brady.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
Well, it's not him to another level, it's the offense
to another level.

Speaker 6 (49:59):
I think he like Brady's Brady, we all have all
the respect in the world for him, But like he
played with some really good players too, And let's not
just like sit here and be like, okay, all the okay,
every all those players stunk, Like stunk.

Speaker 5 (50:13):
Is strong, but like you play with a lot of
average guys. Did he make Welker better?

Speaker 6 (50:17):
Yeah, yeah, but I think we better than.

Speaker 5 (50:20):
He would have been on any other team. Yep.

Speaker 6 (50:22):
I don't know about any other team, but.

Speaker 3 (50:24):
I mean I think you could make an argument for
you know, like Gronk would have been great no matter what,
Like that's a special player.

Speaker 5 (50:32):
Yeah, you know, obviously Moss, but.

Speaker 3 (50:34):
There's a lot of guys that were good players that
he made look better than good.

Speaker 6 (50:38):
I think so maybe at the receiver position, but like
some of those like they had great offensive line.

Speaker 5 (50:42):
That's where his influences.

Speaker 3 (50:43):
Oh, I mean, I want you want to go back
to Dante, and the most most impressive thing to me
about Dante is a litany of Greg Robinson, Randall, Brandon Goren,
Tom Ashworth, Nick Kasher like didn't matter. Yeah, Now, part
of why it didn't matter was Brady. Yeah, I do
give Brady a lot. Evan's probably right, maybe I give

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too much, But I think if Brady and Dante were,
you know, in their prime for last year's team, you
wouldn't be talking about that offensive line the way you did.

Speaker 5 (51:18):
That's how good they were. That's right. I don't know.

Speaker 6 (51:20):
I'm not trying to like say, like do like a
a pie here of like who gets all the credit?

Speaker 5 (51:29):
Brady not that good.

Speaker 6 (51:30):
I'm just kind of giving everybody credit. So yeah, right,
I'm just kind of giving everybody credit. Like I think,
like both things can be true, right, Like there were
like like a lot of these guys were great. We're
really good players too. Like when you know, when I
started covering the team, especially you know, their offensive line,
like Tony Andrews and Mason in the interior, their offensive
line was one of the best interior three in football,

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like regardless of Dante or not Dante like that, and
Tony is Is might be a Hall of Famer in
his own right, you know, Logan mankins Is.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
The question is how many of those guys and there
are some how many of those guys could make a
quarterback better, because we're talking about a quarterback making those
guys better. How many of those guys make their quarterback well?

Speaker 5 (52:14):
Sure?

Speaker 6 (52:14):
But like yeah, I mean, like the quarterbacks the most
important position on the field, so like he's the most
valuable guy, like they that's true for pretty much any position.
But like I just I don't know, Like I look
at it and say, you know, there were some really
good players on those Like twenty ten's Patriots offense.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
I think I don't think you do what they did
without some good players on your team.

Speaker 6 (52:36):
I just feel like you made them better.

Speaker 3 (52:38):
Now, Tony, Tony and Mason are two guys that were
really really good players. I think there's a lot more
Joe and Drewsys and Sally say Is than those guys.
I mean that they're starting inter Dan Conley, Russ Hokestein,
like Rich Ornberger.

Speaker 6 (52:54):
Those are average two thousands, guys like from the like
Tuny and was like two ten, two thousand, But Mason
and drafted Mason and were really good fifteen and they
were they were the starters at their positions for the
rest of them run.

Speaker 3 (53:08):
So maybe when he got a little older, he needed
a little bit more talent in front of him because
he couldn't do it all well. But that's not what
I'm saying. I just but that's twenty years of dominance.
And then they got two really good guards. Clearly, I
mean like there was a lot of floats of in jetsam,
flats and flats.

Speaker 6 (53:26):
We can just have the worst offensive line in football
and watch the quarterback running for his with Brady, he
could fine.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
Remember we got into the big argument about what flotsam
and jetsam is.

Speaker 4 (53:34):
Yes, Eric, Eric used to admit that he was wrong
tossing stuff out of a plane, that's jetsam.

Speaker 6 (53:40):
I'm sure Brady would have loved to play behind that
offensive line last year. That would have he really would
have been.

Speaker 5 (53:45):
I'm just telling you it wouldn't have been a train wreck.

Speaker 6 (53:47):
I think it was if Brady was in his prime, not.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
Forty five year old Brady in Tampa where he was
taking dives everywhere. He wouldn't have been happy like thirty
five year old Brady would have been, would have been
like mahomes As, it would have been get by.

Speaker 5 (54:00):
Well, we have to say that I get Evan's general
point that it's all Brady.

Speaker 15 (54:05):
It was all Brady, and that he made everybody better
and he turned water into wine and all like all
these freaking things, But like, can we just not like
sit here and and and completely just.

Speaker 6 (54:19):
Throw away everybody and just being product told you Rob Drunkowski,
Randy Moss.

Speaker 5 (54:30):
I think Paul's being starcastic.

Speaker 6 (54:32):
Like Brandon Cook's played with seventeen quarterbacks and he's good
with all of them.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
Cooks was a higher caliber receiver than most of the
guys he played with.

Speaker 5 (54:41):
I think he can do both things.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
You can celebrate the greatness and brilliance of Tom Brady
and say, yeah, there were some good players on these teams.

Speaker 5 (54:49):
Both can be true good players.

Speaker 6 (54:50):
There were times he made look better than that, yeah maybe,
and there was absolute like I always go back to
the game winning drive against New Orleans in twenty thirteen.
He's throwing to Austin Colley and Kemberl Tompkins and you know,
the guy from Foxborough High and he marches right down
the field and wins the game like that. That is
water into wine, right, Like, that's what we're talking about.

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But when he's out there in you know, sixteen seventeen
and he's he's got Gronk and he's got Edelman, and
he's got you know, a really good players around him,
good running backs, you know, James White, players like that, Like, okay,
then all of them stunk like I like, I guess
all of them stunk like I don't know.

Speaker 3 (55:28):
I told you he keep saying Gronk, and I keep
telling you that Gronk would have been a Hall of
Fame caliber player regardless.

Speaker 6 (55:36):
It's just like, all right, but I don't think.

Speaker 5 (55:38):
Dean Branch was a Hall of Fame caliber player.

Speaker 6 (55:42):
Good receiver.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
He made him look better than he was. Troy Brown,
love you mean it made him look better than he was. Now,
Drew also made Troy Brown look better than he was,
but not like, not like Brady.

Speaker 6 (55:53):
So he did it with Troy Brown. He became with Drew,
and he did it with Brady. But somehow both of
them made them.

Speaker 5 (55:57):
Look he didn't Troy Brown didn't do what he did
with Brady That No, he didn't have the numbers.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
He became a hundred catch guy with with David Patton,
David Gibbons on Branch like these guys you know called
well Jabbard, Gaffney, these guys were not great players. He
made them look a lot better. These are the guys
that were catching Brandon LaFell. He absolutely he's catching like game.
That doesn't mean that they're also, that doesn't mean that
they're all scrubs. I didn't say there was scrubs. I

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said he they were good players that he made look better.

Speaker 5 (56:27):
I just want That's what I said, not.

Speaker 6 (56:29):
Have everybody some love but Brady.

Speaker 4 (56:31):
And that's like how many teams go twenty years and
they just have Hall of famers up and down the line.

Speaker 3 (56:38):
Like like, well, Peyton Manning made Austin Caley the guy
you just dismissed. That's that's what Peyton Manning did. Yes,
he had he had Harrison and Wayne and a lot
of other cracks.

Speaker 6 (56:48):
About Clark, stiff, Drin James.

Speaker 3 (56:52):
Edrin James was stick Dallas Clark Like that's another example
of the quarterback. And by the way, the quarter and
he's got to marry time and he did the same
thing with Welker. What do you mean, come on, don't
be good player? Not not Marvin Harrison, not not like Harrison,

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Pierre Garson.

Speaker 6 (57:15):
If you're going to sit here and say that that
and Marius Thomas like it would have been one of
Brady's best receivers. Like, if you're going to like go there.

Speaker 5 (57:24):
I agree.

Speaker 6 (57:25):
So then when we're talking to him making my point, no,
I just when you go to Peyton like it, just
that that's a whole separate because.

Speaker 3 (57:31):
We can't look at these things and for a lens
of something that might give somebody else credit.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
When it just comes to football, IQ. Peyton had every
much of it that Brady had.

Speaker 6 (57:44):
Payton was great, but he was great.

Speaker 3 (57:46):
He wasn't as good as Brady, not quite.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
No, he had a lot more, but he made guys
look better. He had such command of that offense.

Speaker 3 (57:54):
He never had the ability to punt the ball in
the heyday of the Colts Patriots rivalry because if he
punted once the game was over because the Patriots weren't
gonna gonna not score, not against that defense.

Speaker 6 (58:04):
But everybody sucked besides Brady.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
Oh okay, I didn't say anything about the defensive players sucking.
Seymour was in the Hall of Fame. Will Fork could
be someday, Harrison could be something.

Speaker 2 (58:18):
The coach one good defense. They have two good defensive
players who if they were.

Speaker 6 (58:23):
To have played like three play three games a year.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
Sanders, right, you're right. If he if he got hurt,
then they had trouble.

Speaker 5 (58:33):
And mathis yeah, good players. FREDI was good.

Speaker 6 (58:36):
They were a good player. Matthis was good too.

Speaker 5 (58:39):
Phil's in Utah. What's up Phil?

Speaker 9 (58:43):
Hey, guys, long time listener, Pyre listening for twenty years.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
How you doing good?

Speaker 5 (58:46):
Good? Thanks for listening. Good for twenty years?

Speaker 9 (58:49):
Yeah, yeah, I love the show. Hey, got a question
trivia question for you. And then I wanted to share
with you about tell you a story about mister Kraft.

Speaker 6 (58:58):
I want to hear that board the.

Speaker 9 (58:59):
Game which the game out here close to me?

Speaker 14 (59:03):
Once?

Speaker 9 (59:03):
Did you to figure out which game it was? Before
the game, they handed mister Kraft a letter that he
read that was saying that Teddy Brusk was coming back
to play after his strokes. Okay, and Patriot said up
losing that game twenty eight to twenty. Paul quarterback was
the Snake. You know the opponent what.

Speaker 6 (59:25):
Two and five they lost at Denver to the Broncos.

Speaker 3 (59:31):
Correct, Okay, I only got it, which was Snake, Yeah,
Jake Plumber. And then I remember they lost twenty eight
to twenty and that was again they were getting killed
and they came back. And Andy asked Belichick after the
game if he ever thought they were back in the game.

Speaker 5 (59:47):
I'm talking about the one score game.

Speaker 3 (59:49):
Like he got really mad, and then like two weeks
later he goes, well, we really weren't even competitive in
that game. And Andy was so mad because Andy asked
him basically what. Three weeks later, Belichick came around to saying, like,
you know, we were kind of hanging on in that game, right, Okay?

Speaker 9 (01:00:07):
So yeah, the oh here it comes the Shanahan stall
at the Pacers for making their comeback. It's pretty funny.

Speaker 13 (01:00:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:00:16):
So before the game, mister Kraft is over on the sideline.
A bunch of fans were there and he's autographing stuff
and they're hanging tee shirts down over the wall and
he's signing everything. Well, he's not really paying attention, so
he signed the stadium. So the bumper that's the past
around the stadium. Oh yeah, Pop on the side of
the statement, I said, you guys, I sent you guys
a picture was pretty funny.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
So I'm wonderful it's probably not there anymore. They've probably
switched that out by now, right, it's like twenty years.

Speaker 9 (01:00:44):
I would hope.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
So, yeah, would that'd be funny, Like they're switching it
out and the guy's like.

Speaker 5 (01:00:51):
Hey, okay, yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:00:53):
Who back bob?

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (01:00:56):
So rule rule question for you, rule proposal. You know,
there's lots to talk about overtime rules and you know,
two possessions and whatever, and the discussion is always, you know,
no one they don't know if they're going to get
the ball back in overtime. So what if they did
away with the coin toss for overtime and they just
said coin toss at the beginning of the game and

(01:01:17):
we alternate possessions to the half and then for overtime,
so you play the fourth board or knowing who gets
the ball first and overtime, and then you play your
sudden death sudden victory in overtime.

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
What do you think about that?

Speaker 9 (01:01:29):
And I'll think about you.

Speaker 5 (01:01:31):
I don't like it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
Yeah, my problem with the sudden death and overtime has
nothing really to do with the coin toss. It's more
the team that gets the ball first has a chance
to end the game, Like I think both teams should
have a chance.

Speaker 5 (01:01:47):
But does it affect at all how the game might end? Like,
that's what I was thinking about.

Speaker 4 (01:01:51):
Would it impact your knowing like, well, we've got the
ball if we gets overtime right.

Speaker 5 (01:01:56):
Affects your strategy or we know we.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
Definitely would affect your strategy, But that doesn't mean it's
better or worse. It does affect the strategy towards the
end of the game.

Speaker 5 (01:02:05):
If you know, if it's.

Speaker 6 (01:02:06):
A tie game and you know you're getting the ball
and overtime, you're just gonna sit on it because you.

Speaker 5 (01:02:10):
Wouldn't do that.

Speaker 4 (01:02:10):
You're going to like it tethers the the coin toss
to the game where it feels like overtime now with
a separate coin toss is kind of its own separate element.

Speaker 5 (01:02:19):
So now you're going you're keeping overtime tied to.

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
I think it might be the only strategy I could
see in Mike's theory which I think could could come
into play thinking about it, is going for two, like
if you had the ball at the end. Let's let's
say that the Titans game last year that the Patriots
know the Titans getting are getting the ball to start overtime, Well,
maybe I'm more apt to.

Speaker 5 (01:02:40):
Go for it.

Speaker 4 (01:02:40):
Yeah, maybe, Yeah, probably affects the odds. I mean, don't
you know how they have that like like real time
odds of your chance of winning the game. So in
that regard, it might look at that opportunity as you
you have to kind of go for two right now,
because if you don't, there's a high probability they're going
to get the they're going to get the first session
and probably scoring in the game based on you know.

Speaker 5 (01:03:02):
So, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:03:03):
It's interesting though, It's I don't like, I don't hate
the idea of, like I said, tethering it to the
game itself and still having it part of the game flow,
whereas now is overtime is you're just kind of starting
over again, like it's a new game basically.

Speaker 6 (01:03:16):
So would you do the Bill thing of like just
play it out as a quarter because that's what Bill,
That's what I would do. Bo always vouched for it
to just be it's just quarter five like it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
Whoever possessed it like continue it ends in a tie
after the fifth quarter, it's a tie.

Speaker 5 (01:03:32):
Yeah, but you can't do that in the playoffs, No,
you keep.

Speaker 6 (01:03:34):
Playing hockey style.

Speaker 5 (01:03:36):
Yeah, interesting idea. I love when people come up with
this kind of STI like those ideas.

Speaker 3 (01:03:42):
That's I would not be in favor of that particular one,
but I do like those kinds of.

Speaker 5 (01:03:46):
Game theories where how does it affect how the game went?
Unfold it?

Speaker 3 (01:03:50):
Because I do feel like there would be in certain
circumstances at the end of the fourth quarter might change
an approach.

Speaker 6 (01:03:57):
Yeah, uh uh so how about how about.

Speaker 5 (01:04:01):
If you were down three?

Speaker 3 (01:04:03):
If you were down three and let's say, you know,
third and goal from the four yard line, incomplete pass,
fourth and goal, two seconds left, kick the field goal
to tie it, know when the other team has the ball,
or do you now go for it and say I'm
going to take a shot to win. So I do

(01:04:24):
think there are very specific circumstances that that might change
the mentality of, you know, the decision making.

Speaker 5 (01:04:33):
Kendall's in North Carolina. Hate Kendall Kendall.

Speaker 14 (01:04:39):
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Speaker 11 (01:04:43):
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Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
Was just giving your don't do that.

Speaker 11 (01:04:58):
I was listening to Great said that mac Hollands was
a for sure lot. He said, Popud's a lot. I
don't understand that, like what mc holland was doing, that
he's a lot to.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
Big think he got signed as a free agent.

Speaker 6 (01:05:11):
Yeah, I just feel like they have and I don't
necessarily agree with that the pop element to that.

Speaker 11 (01:05:16):
He said, he said Mac was a sure lot. There's
no way to get pot and he said that Pop
isn't a lot to make the team.

Speaker 6 (01:05:23):
Well I could. I kind of understand his thinking a
little bit, just like Mac Collins to me is just
like they have a they have a role in mind
for Mac Collins, Like I understand that he's not Randy Moss,
but like they have a vision of like the leadership
and the four down ability and like what he's going
to bring to the whole thing.

Speaker 3 (01:05:41):
Can we like agree, you know, right, wrong or indifferent
than Mac Collins has had a better NFL career than
Pop Douglas Bong NFL per Ye, he's proven something tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
Thanks Kendall. I don't know what you're doing over there.

Speaker 6 (01:05:58):
I think what Greg's point was if I remember correct,
because I actually saw something about it yesterday, was like
that Douglas could be a trade candidate, out of which
I don't think he was thinking that Douglas isn't going
to make the roster. It would be either trade or
make the roster. Not there's no cut in that cat
in that element there. But like with mac Collins said,
I feel like we get a lot of calls about

(01:06:18):
MATC Collins.

Speaker 3 (01:06:19):
And didn't do anything all because he was hurt and
he rehabbed, and everybody just says he's not going to
make the team.

Speaker 6 (01:06:25):
They're just like he has familiar to he played with
McDaniels in Vegas. Like there's just they have.

Speaker 5 (01:06:31):
They signed him for a reason. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
And I don't think Pop is a I love Pop,
but I don't think he's a lock.

Speaker 6 (01:06:38):
Well, I think he's either a trade or or on
the team. I don't think he's your cutting them.

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Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
Good morning.

Speaker 18 (01:09:28):
Don't have a whole lot of rules, okay, but I'm
going to give you the rules that I have, Okay,
that I would ask.

Speaker 1 (01:09:34):
Us to try to abide by. One is to respected team.

Speaker 18 (01:09:37):
Okay, respect the football team and the people that are here.

Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
We're building our program. When we talk about you know
when I.

Speaker 18 (01:09:45):
Got here, okay, and what my goal was, it was
to build a program that you guys and the coaches
and the staff wanted to be a part of, that
they wanted to protect, and that you were proud of it.
I'm proud of the way we prepare, I'm proud of
the way we practice, okay, And I'm proud of my
teammates for the effort in which they play. The overriding

(01:10:05):
goals for that program that we're going to build is
going to be one to win the division.

Speaker 1 (01:10:10):
Okay.

Speaker 18 (01:10:10):
When was the last time the New England Patriots won
the division?

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
Does anybody know? Twenty nineteen.

Speaker 18 (01:10:17):
So we're building our own identity, okay, and it's all
going to be based on how do we make you, guys, Okay,
as good as you possibly can be as an individual,
as a player, and then as a teammate. The training staff,
the equipment staff, the kitchen staff, these people.

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
All here to help you.

Speaker 18 (01:10:38):
Okay, We're going to treat those people with the utmost respect.
That's important to our owner, that's important to me, that's
important to everybody here, is how you treat people.

Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
In this building.

Speaker 18 (01:10:50):
Somebody asked me, are you worried about went wrong last year?
Why the would I care about what happened last year.
I'm worried about what's gonna go right today and tomorrow
and the next day. We're not worried about what went wrong.
We're focused on what's gonna go right. And I want

(01:11:11):
you to understand that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
Okay.

Speaker 18 (01:11:13):
The foundation is gonna be built on things like trust.
Do we trust you to do your job and to
do what's right for the team on and off the field.
Do you trust what the coaches are telling you so
that it makes you better When we talk about building
a program, Okay, the foundation is gonna be built on

(01:11:36):
things like honesty. The program is gonna be built on honesty. Okay,
we always talk about the truth. You want to tell
the truth, you want to seek the truth, and you
want to.

Speaker 1 (01:11:48):
Handle the truth. It's gonna be built on accountability.

Speaker 18 (01:11:51):
When I was in the fifth grade, I had this
hard ass math teacher and he used to come up
and grab us by the back of the neck because
we were messing around just like you guys did his school.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
And every time he'd screw up, he'd made you.

Speaker 18 (01:12:02):
Right accountability and then it had to spell it right,
and then it was the definition I will take responsibility
for my own actions.

Speaker 1 (01:12:13):
I couldn't tell you anything.

Speaker 18 (01:12:14):
Else he taught me about math, but I could tell
you that accountability is I will take responsibility for my
own actions. And I thank him because I had to
write it. He'd be like five hundred thousand. So then
we just would spend classes getting ahead. And when he
told his five hundred, we already had him written out.

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
We were ready to go.

Speaker 18 (01:12:32):
But I know the definition of accountability.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
It's going to be built on respect.

Speaker 5 (01:12:39):
You could see if my batman go back. Let's get
a yall boys.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
The respect that we have for each other to do
their job.

Speaker 18 (01:12:44):
What everybody's role here is, and we come to work
that we communicate. If it's important to you, it will
be important to us.

Speaker 1 (01:12:52):
I want you to understand that it will be important.

Speaker 18 (01:12:54):
To us, and ultimately it's going to be built on
a connection. It's important to me that we get to
know you guys. It's important to me that you guys
get to know each other because in the end, when
goes bad, like it does every season, at some point
in time, in every locker room throughout the National Football League,
some is gonna happen. How do we respond there?

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
Right?

Speaker 18 (01:13:17):
How do we help a teammate that's going through something.
There's gonna be an energy. We're not gonna walk around on.

Speaker 1 (01:13:23):
A practice field. We're a long way off from.

Speaker 18 (01:13:25):
There, okay, but there's gonna be an energy around this building.

Speaker 1 (01:13:28):
What you can expect. We're gonna coachaty eight.

Speaker 19 (01:13:31):
On the ball, on the balls in a row, good communication,
know what to do, nowhere to go.

Speaker 1 (01:13:36):
And then on Sunday we're gonna let you play.

Speaker 18 (01:13:38):
Kayden, have you been lifting this offseason?

Speaker 1 (01:13:40):
If you done any lyft?

Speaker 18 (01:13:42):
Okay, good, Well, let me come up here and I'm
going to see how much you've been lifting. Okay, let's
count off eight steps, Okay, one.

Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
Two, three, four, five, six.

Speaker 18 (01:13:52):
Seven, eight. Okay, good, let's turn around. Let's get back
to the middle. Let's get four ready, one, two three?
Would you guys all assume this is in the middle. Okay, good,
I get you a little base here. Get your hands up,
open your hands up, okay, get hold on ready?

Speaker 1 (01:14:13):
Okay, good, you've been lifting everybody? Give him around on
the pause, sit out.

Speaker 18 (01:14:22):
So what did you just notice right there? And the
two things we did anybody notice anything, Tony? Did you
notice anything? How easily I got him to move across
this hallway? And then when I started pushing against them
what happened? Yeah, we are going to be along on
this journey with you, guys.

Speaker 1 (01:14:41):
You understand that.

Speaker 18 (01:14:42):
And I don't care whatever's happened or how you've been coached.
This is how I want to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
Being along for the journey. Yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:14:49):
I was kind of guiding him along there, pushing him
a little bit, right, but I was next to him.
There's a difference between being next to somebody and pushing
them then sitting across from him and having some conflict.

Speaker 1 (01:15:03):
Okay.

Speaker 18 (01:15:04):
So that's our whole goal of how we're going to
operate this program, is that We're going to be along
on the journey. There's gonna be some ups and downs,
but that's the whole goal of what we're.

Speaker 1 (01:15:13):
Trying to do, is to go along on this journey.

Speaker 18 (01:15:15):
With you guys, to get you more out of here
than what you guys think.

Speaker 5 (01:15:26):
The way they practice a lot of efforts to finish.

Speaker 1 (01:15:29):
Great teams go out to practice at different piece.

Speaker 18 (01:15:31):
That's just what we're gonna do because that's the only
way that our identity.

Speaker 1 (01:15:34):
Can take over.

Speaker 5 (01:15:36):
This is professional football. This is your job. You're not
on scholarship. You don't get a rigs.

Speaker 6 (01:15:42):
Your year better be all right.

Speaker 5 (01:15:45):
You're not tough.

Speaker 1 (01:15:46):
You have our complaining this way, men, you can't continue statement.

Speaker 6 (01:15:50):
You get like two steps decided to get out good.

Speaker 5 (01:15:54):
That kind of drill should be tear then God go
work like the dep go rep get off.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
We can remember it, but we can also work together.

Speaker 18 (01:16:03):
All right, big weekend, my son turns twenty one. We're
in this business to win and to help players improve.

Speaker 1 (01:16:13):
I think that they embraced the change.

Speaker 20 (01:16:17):
I would have fit with two hunts.

Speaker 5 (01:16:18):
I feel like I'm blessed to do this, so I
wake up with that grind every day.

Speaker 9 (01:16:22):
You tought them.

Speaker 5 (01:16:22):
That's only that's something that you can write.

Speaker 4 (01:16:30):
And now great moments in history.

Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
There is no one way but to win for twenty years,
you better have a tight ship. You have to have
a tight ship. You can't run it loosey goosey. And
I'm not sure that the way arians does it would
work for twenty years.

Speaker 3 (01:16:47):
Yeah, I don't know that. I don't know that either
don't have a tight But I know a lot of
other teams that have a looser ship that have won
for twenty years.

Speaker 5 (01:16:53):
Well, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:16:54):
They just haven't won six titles because they haven't had Brady.

Speaker 5 (01:16:57):
Yeah, who like Pittsburgh. I don't think Baltimore tight ship.
I think that that's a real think.

Speaker 17 (01:17:04):
That he kept Brown.

Speaker 3 (01:17:07):
Yeah, they video the postgame talk after a playoffs, he
did it, but that's it's not a TA one.

Speaker 2 (01:17:14):
Guy and and to me and you know it, and
you agree, Paul, after we learned what a guy Antonio
Brown was, I have a life more respect for Mike.

Speaker 3 (01:17:22):
That's absolutely true, right, I think because because he put
up with a lot.

Speaker 5 (01:17:25):
Of crowns and he kept it, he kept it going.

Speaker 2 (01:17:27):
Somehow, I think that organization this isn't steel his daily.
But I think that organization is a tight ship. I
think from the top down the Rooneyes, I think there's one.

Speaker 6 (01:17:36):
But it's not like this is my point.

Speaker 5 (01:17:38):
Well, but I think that they are a well run organization.
I agree. I think Baltimore is too. Yeah, I would.

Speaker 3 (01:17:45):
I think Baltimore is a well run organization. Everybody thinks
the coach is a weenie, so like, I don't know, what.

Speaker 5 (01:17:49):
Are you gonna do?

Speaker 1 (01:17:50):
Harba.

Speaker 5 (01:17:51):
Everybody hates him.

Speaker 6 (01:17:52):
He's a whiner, he's always complaining about.

Speaker 5 (01:17:54):
That's another great moment from.

Speaker 2 (01:17:58):
All right back are and Patriots filtered.

Speaker 3 (01:18:03):
Fred the Steelers ship too Brown video in the post game.

Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
The tight the fact that tomlin Cape kept that together
with Antonio Brown.

Speaker 5 (01:18:14):
Right with everybody going doing whatever they wanted to do.
The fact that Tom win went together and kept winning.

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
Yes, we had guys like that too when Belichick figured
it out.

Speaker 5 (01:18:23):
Anyway, Well, that's what the whole thing. The premise was.

Speaker 3 (01:18:27):
They haven't won six titles, but they've won for twenty years. Yeah,
they've been good for twenty Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:33):
But when you win those titles, the entitlement start syncing
in and it's hard to keep it together.

Speaker 5 (01:18:38):
It really is.

Speaker 4 (01:18:39):
I mean, I tie that to what you guys said
about some guys being great coordinators and don't want to
have to deal with keeping the ship in order as
you have to do with a head coach, all the
things Bill Belichick used to say about, you know the other.

Speaker 5 (01:18:52):
Things you have to do as a head coach.

Speaker 4 (01:18:54):
I can see why guys would find it appealing to
be like, I have my position group, I know what
I'm doing, I have a select group of guys, don't
have to worry about all this other big picture stuff
that the head coach has to handle.

Speaker 5 (01:19:03):
It.

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
It's hard to think those I think in that respect,
I think Belichick is underrated when it comes to being
the CEO of a team, you.

Speaker 6 (01:19:12):
Know, program builder.

Speaker 2 (01:19:14):
Yeah, I think running the ship, running the whole thing,
I think he's underrated.

Speaker 5 (01:19:20):
I think I think it was.

Speaker 2 (01:19:21):
That's the genius he had was keeping this thing together
for twenty years. It's that's as much of an accomplishment
as what he did winning, but keeping it together and
winning like that.

Speaker 6 (01:19:33):
Best coach in football for twenty years and more than
a coach.

Speaker 3 (01:19:36):
And I don't know how you can say anything that
he did was underrated. I think he's widely considered.

Speaker 2 (01:19:41):
People say, people say he was a great coach, but
not a great cham People say that all the time.

Speaker 5 (01:19:47):
But that's two different things. I would agree with that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
But to me, a general manager is the guy that runs.

Speaker 5 (01:19:52):
I think he was underrated as a general manager. I
think I think he was bad at it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:56):
Okay, well, I think I include. I think you're focusing
on just personnel decisions.

Speaker 1 (01:20:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:20:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:03):
To me, a general manager in the true sense is
someone who runs the team, who's in charge of the
whole operation. And in that way, well then who is
that person.

Speaker 3 (01:20:13):
The head coach kind of runs like the operation. And
I think Belichick is not on every team, tremendous not
on every team, and every team is different.

Speaker 2 (01:20:21):
I think in Art in the Patriots during the dynasty,
he was both. He was the guy that ran the
whole organization and he was the head coach. And I
think in the running of the organization part, I think
he was underrated.

Speaker 6 (01:20:32):
So ta Costa in Baltimore. Now, does he run the Ravens?

Speaker 5 (01:20:40):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:20:40):
No, No, John Harbord does, Okay, Okay, he doesn't. Scouting, yeah,
oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:20:45):
He's the general manager, does all the player personnelity does,
Like Harvard doesn't that personnel control DA Costa does. I
wouldn't say that Costa runs the Ravens. I would say
Harbord does. He's the CEO of the Baltimore Ravens. I
think Bill was outstanding at that. I totally agree with
Fred on this. He wasn't just a coach. He ran

(01:21:07):
every every day.

Speaker 5 (01:21:08):
There was no confusion.

Speaker 3 (01:21:12):
Bill is the messager messenger and he's the one who's
delivering it every day, no ambiguity.

Speaker 5 (01:21:20):
Everybody knew what.

Speaker 6 (01:21:20):
They had to do because Bill made sure everybody knew
what they had to do. Yeah, he ran the team.
They haven't played any games. But don't you feel the
same way about Rabel? Like the second that he has
gotten here in every exposure we've had to him.

Speaker 3 (01:21:32):
It's SAE, there's Elliott or Ryan Cowden. One of those
guys is the GM, even though they don't have the
title of GM head scout.

Speaker 5 (01:21:39):
Mike Rabel runs the Patriots.

Speaker 6 (01:21:41):
It's incredible like that some of the stuff that he's
taught to us about, you know, just all the things
that he thinks about, Like, I don't know how much
of it necessarily contributes to winning. It doesn't. But like
all the elements, like we talked about him on this
show about like social media, right, and players with social
media and like all these other different things, is that
you are in his purview.

Speaker 2 (01:22:02):
There's so many things that can go wrong, so many
things that can go wrong, especially and you believe it
or not. More so when you start winning, and like
the entitlement starts seeping in. You know, the guys want theirs,
they want their contract. There's so much that goes into
it that that's why you don't see it a lot

(01:22:23):
where you know, what the Patriots did, uh, because it's
hard to keep it together.

Speaker 3 (01:22:28):
Really hard, and I think there was really really good
stay the same every day that I mean Billy every
way to play win or lose.

Speaker 5 (01:22:36):
I mean that was impressive.

Speaker 4 (01:22:37):
I mean I kind of give Mike Greese a little credit,
Like like Mike Greece is the same every day, whether
the team wins four games where they were in the
Super Bowl, he gets always but he pursues this with
the same kind of you know, the same thing as Bill.
I would compare it to the same passion for the
game and the team that that you know, no matter
what the results are, keep going but I don't want

(01:22:57):
to oversimplify it. But between the Bruins tip lately with
their draft, between looking at the eighties and the Patriots
drafts at that time, is it just is it an
over gross, over oversimplification to just saying professional sports, if
you don't hit on a superstar every handful of years,
you're not going to be relevant. Like the only way
to stay good is your our organization has to hit

(01:23:18):
on superstars, preferably in the draft. That probably there's an
argument you made free agency that you can do it,
maybe not sustainably quite as long, but like that's everything
to me.

Speaker 5 (01:23:26):
You look at the Bruins like they're in a transition
period now they have no star players.

Speaker 4 (01:23:30):
You have the Patriots the last couple of years they
had no star players. You look at those drafts that
led up to it three four years ago, and you see,
this is a total whiff.

Speaker 5 (01:23:39):
This is a total whiff. Felt the same way about.

Speaker 4 (01:23:41):
Looking at the eighties Patriots where eighty one, eighty two,
eighty three good drafts Andre Tippett started to miss out,
then eighty four, eighty five, eighty six bad drafts catch
up with them four or five years down, Like I
don't know if it's over simplifying, but Trevor not a
big Trevor, but that's how it was.

Speaker 5 (01:23:57):
You look at Wow.

Speaker 4 (01:23:57):
I mean, look, you get Ronnie Lapett and like the
sixth round or whatever, and this guy goes on and
is a starter, and no one probably remembers how good
or bad he was, but he was a solid player
that you know, led this team to a lot of wins.

Speaker 5 (01:24:08):
And you know, if you don't find those players, you're
you're just your s's argument too. Man, I forget the
individual year.

Speaker 3 (01:24:13):
If it was eighty two, eighty four, or you know,
somewhere in that eighties, might be the best draft in
the Patriots history. Yeah, like it's in a small handful
of consideration.

Speaker 4 (01:24:24):
Yeah, twenty ten, Yeah, yeah, that's and like Bill Bill
hit some of those players along the way. And then
you know the late two thousands when they hit that
lull and O nine and it looked like things might
be going sideways right now, Like that didn't that team
that lost to the Ravens, you guys know what, they
got blown off the field like it looked like it
was over. Then you get Gronkowski, and you get Hernandez
and you get Devin mccordy, and you get Dante Hid.

Speaker 5 (01:24:45):
All of a sudden, they hit on some stars. Those
players didn't exist.

Speaker 4 (01:24:49):
In twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, twenty twenty.

Speaker 5 (01:24:52):
You know, like that's how it catches up with you.
And I'm not gonna lie to you, like you look
at some of the last couple drafts. We need to
see a lot more out of these.

Speaker 4 (01:25:01):
Guys if they're going to get out of this this circle,
no matter how good, Drake may or Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
Ribbles starting with Drake May, Tyler wo Ludlaw little, would
you rather non football looks like one? All your closest
friends are eighteen years old or eighty eighty?

Speaker 5 (01:25:16):
Right now?

Speaker 6 (01:25:19):
Right now, come on, eighteen year.

Speaker 5 (01:25:21):
Old, all your closest friends are eighteen or eighty.

Speaker 6 (01:25:23):
It's a great it's a great quest, great question.

Speaker 5 (01:25:25):
Are going to go eighteen?

Speaker 1 (01:25:27):
Might go?

Speaker 5 (01:25:27):
Could you relate more to the young kid?

Speaker 6 (01:25:29):
Definitely not. I'm a child. Do you understand what eighteen
year olds are like?

Speaker 5 (01:25:33):
That's what I would not.

Speaker 3 (01:25:36):
Rather go golfing with my sons than you know, part
cheesy with the try to find out what I can
do with an eighty year old.

Speaker 6 (01:25:42):
I feel like your your son's from what you tell.

Speaker 2 (01:25:44):
Us is but your that's not fair part not your son.

Speaker 5 (01:25:49):
My son's age. One's eighteen, one's twenty. Okay, so you're
saying someone like your sons. Yeah, if I mean, I'm
assuming these are my friends. Yeah, your closest friends.

Speaker 6 (01:25:57):
I can't go golfing with an eighty year old.

Speaker 5 (01:26:00):
Well, but some of them can take the car. Take
the car?

Speaker 3 (01:26:03):
Sure, nobody.

Speaker 5 (01:26:06):
Who would you relate better to? Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:26:10):
Would I relate better to probably the eighty year old.

Speaker 2 (01:26:13):
Yeah, So that's that's the it's a good question.

Speaker 5 (01:26:15):
That's why I said that. It's but I would pick eighteen.

Speaker 6 (01:26:18):
When you walk through like like areas of Boston, like
the popular areas of Boston. Now I see poor you know,
Faniel Hall, things like that, Like these kids are out
there with their ring lights and their cell phones just
taking TikTok videos and Instagram selfies and like like that's
what the eighteen year olds are doing, and that's what
you want to do in your free time. No, I

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don't like things dance. The eighty year olds are sitting
around watching Mattlock.

Speaker 5 (01:26:48):
I don't want to do that either. I know, it's
it's a good question. Much.

Speaker 6 (01:26:53):
I'd much rather watch Mattlock than watch you know, good
seventeen poses like oh, we're going to the beach today.

Speaker 3 (01:26:59):
So that's that's one element of what eighteen year olds do.
Like if they're my friends, they're probably not doing that, right,
So again, like my kids don't do that now. They
do a lot of other things that are annoying me, of course,
But like I said, I can go golfing with my boys.
I could go fishing with my boys. I can't do
these things with eighty year olds.

Speaker 5 (01:27:20):
That's true. You can go fish fish.

Speaker 3 (01:27:23):
I'm just saying in general, no more things that I
could figure out how to.

Speaker 5 (01:27:27):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
Now, it's interesting that Tyler uses eighteen instead of twenty one.
So with twenty one you could at least go and
have a drink. Right, that's different so that but I'm
kind of with Paul. At least you can do stuff
with the eighteen year old with somebody's eighty like any
day now.

Speaker 5 (01:27:44):
And pretty much strictly resigned to sitting around right and
playing chess. Maybe yeah, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:27:52):
I just be asking to read our books. My dad's
my dad's, you know, in his eighties. I love spending
time with my dad, but like once I spent like,
what else am I doing other than just sitting around
talking to my dad?

Speaker 5 (01:28:05):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:28:07):
My dad's like my favorite person on the planet, But like,
what else am I going to do? I used to
golf with my father, but he can't do it anymore.
Take the card he can't play.

Speaker 2 (01:28:16):
The second one is would you rather be able to
remember everyone's names and faces or every book, movie, and
TV show you've ever seen?

Speaker 4 (01:28:25):
A red book, movie, TV show would be amazing, huh.
Acquire a lot of knowledge, you know, and be able
to talk about a lot of things.

Speaker 3 (01:28:33):
And I say this to somebody who puts trouble, that
would make you incredibly learned, As they say, I think,
I agree.

Speaker 6 (01:28:40):
Yeah, I read.

Speaker 5 (01:28:41):
I can get by people's names and faces.

Speaker 4 (01:28:44):
Like last night, got back from a trip and she
was like, oh, I got you a book and I'm
like oh, She's like, it's The Psychology of Money, And
I like this first time.

Speaker 5 (01:28:51):
I never asked me, I've already read it. She's like,
did you like him? Like, I have no idea. I
read books and then they're like out of my head.
The second books.

Speaker 2 (01:28:59):
Would your child is the best player on every team,
but you're the parent that yells at the coach and
ref all the game. Or your kid is among the
worst on the team, but you're the coach that keeps
them in the whole game.

Speaker 5 (01:29:11):
Those are both miserable.

Speaker 2 (01:29:14):
Your child is the best player on every team, but
you're the parent that yells at the coach and ref
all game. Or your kid is among the worst in
the team, but you're the coach that keeps them in
the game.

Speaker 6 (01:29:24):
There's nothing more annoying. There's nothing more annoying than number two.
But it's the coach's son. There's nothing worse than that.

Speaker 5 (01:29:33):
Yeah, I'd rather have my politics.

Speaker 3 (01:29:35):
I hate both of those scenarios. But yeah, there's nothing
worse than the coach that plays his kid who can't play.

Speaker 5 (01:29:42):
Nothing worse than that. And finally, would you rather when
going on a trip?

Speaker 2 (01:29:46):
Would you rather have everything packed for you or have
everything clean and put away when you return home?

Speaker 5 (01:29:53):
Yeah? Clean and put away. I don't mind packing for
a trip, I would agree. Yeah, it's very medical. I'm
always like how much underwear, like I'm three days.

Speaker 3 (01:30:02):
I find both of those things very Yeah, well, I
find both of those things very easy.

Speaker 5 (01:30:07):
But I would rather pack than clean. I feel like
a pro.

Speaker 4 (01:30:10):
Like we got back from India the combine, Like I
just take the whole thing and just dump it right
on the wash.

Speaker 5 (01:30:15):
I do that.

Speaker 3 (01:30:16):
Yeah, not that we signed five minutes my suitcases back
in the atta. Yet I am one of like I needed, Yeah,
you want to get it.

Speaker 6 (01:30:24):
Not that we super long trip, but I think because
we travel so much, like I have it down to
an absolute science of like what are the essentials that
you really need for these trips, Like it's all basically
already packed, like especially once we get in seasons.

Speaker 5 (01:30:36):
Remember I was one bag Paul. They called me one bag.

Speaker 2 (01:30:40):
There was a time where I bought I found this
it's a it's a It was a backpack that was
used by DJs and I was able not only to
carry all my clothes in it, but my laptop and
all my work stuff. And I had one bag that
I would take on a trip.

Speaker 5 (01:30:56):
In your turntables too, if all my turntables.

Speaker 6 (01:30:58):
I've considered looking into that because we only go for
one night when we like go to a road game,
and it's like you know, this guy, get one bag.
But then you have to lug all your clothes and
stuff like around the stadium.

Speaker 5 (01:31:10):
But it was a backpack.

Speaker 6 (01:31:12):
Yeah, but still you got this big backpack it was.

Speaker 5 (01:31:15):
It wasn't that big. It wasn't that big. C it
wasn't that big. But it had to be heavy. Oh
it was heavy. We'll be a little scratching before the game,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:31:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:31:26):
And one time I think I had to bring an
extra pair of shoes because I forget what we were doing.
So I had them tied on the outside of the
hanging off the bag.

Speaker 5 (01:31:34):
I think that to play tennis. And didn't you bring
your racket? That was I don't know. Maybe maybe I
thought that was the San Diego trip.

Speaker 6 (01:31:44):
It might.

Speaker 5 (01:31:46):
It might have been.

Speaker 2 (01:31:47):
So I had my sneakers hang tied on outside the bag.
No more room.

Speaker 5 (01:31:52):
All right?

Speaker 2 (01:31:53):
Uh, I haven't talked to this guy in a long time. Uh, Eldred,
where you've been?

Speaker 5 (01:31:59):
What's up? Elgi? Hey?

Speaker 8 (01:32:03):
Tellers, how y'all doing. I'm doing good. I hope you
I have a happy four Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:32:09):
I hope so too. Yeah. What are you doing? Are you?
Are you on the road for the fourth of you off?

Speaker 19 (01:32:16):
I'm working just a half a day, okay? You know
all right, yeah, working half a day and everything, all right, Evan, congratulations,
and I'm gonna have to agree with disagree with you
man all Brady.

Speaker 8 (01:32:28):
I've been saying that for years. Sorry, but you can
look at the wide.

Speaker 9 (01:32:33):
Receivers he had.

Speaker 20 (01:32:33):
He did make him look better like the fail absolutely
Hogan Emmondola. You know, welcome with the binkie and I
love that though, but you know than that, I still say, Brady, Brady,
my question is this, well, how about that?

Speaker 5 (01:32:55):
Okay, all right, okay, I got one quo.

Speaker 8 (01:33:00):
Everybody keeps throwing these pass rushers at us that then
they past they prime thirty and thirty six. You know
that they'll pay this much and that much. But I
rather thow money at a true act because we don't
have one and walking and now I know what you
all throw his notes of ad Mitchell. But he's down

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on the depth chart because like I said, he ain't
he't got pay Fitzman because they ain't gonna take his spot.
So he's done grown up about that. I do what
you get one from May that's younger. It's steady thirty
six and forty year old receivers, and I take it off.

Speaker 5 (01:33:35):
Their Okay, I have a good one.

Speaker 2 (01:33:37):
I mean I think we all agree with that. I mean,
we want a true you know, superstar acts.

Speaker 6 (01:33:43):
Yeah, it's just a matter of who's available.

Speaker 5 (01:33:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:33:46):
The reason why the pass rushers are coming up is
because of their issues with their contracts, you know why.
And Hendrick Center on the market and they're both thirty.

Speaker 3 (01:33:53):
And the one that we had yesterday on my show
that was McLaurin. Yeah, And they said who would you
rather have like or McLaurin, And I said McLaurin, I
think what's probably a better pure player.

Speaker 6 (01:34:05):
Yeah, but I think that would fit the what they
need more.

Speaker 2 (01:34:08):
I would agree, Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, So I think
in that way we're we're agreeing with Eldred.

Speaker 5 (01:34:14):
I would agree, but I think I would. But who's available. Yeah,
the pass rush is a major need.

Speaker 3 (01:34:19):
I just don't think they have any receivers, but they
do have the need for pass rushing.

Speaker 5 (01:34:24):
Mike's right, he's been on.

Speaker 6 (01:34:26):
I think if you know this, you know he likes defense,
you know.

Speaker 5 (01:34:28):
I mean, I think you can committee the pass rush.

Speaker 2 (01:34:31):
You're not going to have that elite guy, but you
can you can create pressure as a team. You can
be a high sacked and the Patriots have shown that
you can be a high sacked team without one guy
getting fifteen sacks. But to win the one on ones,
you know, have that X guy that can always win.

Speaker 5 (01:34:48):
That's huge.

Speaker 4 (01:34:49):
But I think what Eldrid's saying is taking a flyer
on someone who's available because they're down the depth chart
and ad Mitchell, like, you know, it's it's hard to
make that pitch of oh, well, he's going to come
in and be the guy. He's a lot like what
we have right now, which is unknown, and yeah, yeah,
maybe he can play.

Speaker 6 (01:35:04):
He had a little bit of a better He had
a better rookie year than than Polk. But it's like
not completely different. You know, like two guys that were
drafted high that that haven't that didn't have great rookie years.
He was better than Polk as a rookie, but that
bar is not very high. But like if these guys
were available, like you know, if they could go trade
for a superstar receiver, then we would all be on

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board for the superstar receiver. It's just what's avail I like.

Speaker 5 (01:35:27):
The idea that they just trade they trade Polk for Mitchell.

Speaker 6 (01:35:30):
Sure, give that a track set for depressed that.

Speaker 5 (01:35:33):
But I think that it's in need.

Speaker 4 (01:35:35):
I just I think it's a lot easier now for
me to look around the league and look at a
guy like Hendrickson.

Speaker 5 (01:35:40):
Or even t J. Watt and say, absolutely, this guy
would fit in this defense. This is exactly the kind
of player they need.

Speaker 4 (01:35:45):
Whereas in the past with Bill, where it was so fluid,
you'd be like, well.

Speaker 5 (01:35:48):
He's kind of a stand up guy, you know, like
there'd be something he's Bill gonna use him. Yeah, But
now it's just like, no, you get what they're trying
to do.

Speaker 4 (01:35:55):
You know what the type is, and both those guys
are the type, and I would I would, I would
sign up for both of them immediately.

Speaker 5 (01:36:01):
I just think I think it's I think every team
could use guys like that.

Speaker 3 (01:36:04):
Yeah, I think Bill would have too. I mean, I
totally understand Mike's point, but I think Bill would have.

Speaker 5 (01:36:09):
It didn't stop him from Andre Carter, I mean eleven,
but yeah, TJ.

Speaker 2 (01:36:13):
Yeah, uh, let's go to Todd. North Carolina hate Todd.
Todd Todd to Yeah, he's usually right that he's on
his game, all right. A lot of emails coming in
Spian Fresno a little off topic one. What are your

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all time favorite sports fights brawls? There are so many
iconic ones. I get to get your thoughts percolating. Here's
a quick list that pops to my mind. Pedro tosses
Zimmer Tyson bikes holy Field to Leib's felony robbery of
Crabtree on Live TV, Nolan Ryan versus Robin Ventura, Patrick
Wah versus Mike Vernon.

Speaker 5 (01:36:56):
I don't remember that. Oh yeah, Malice at the Palace.

Speaker 6 (01:37:00):
That's that's in that conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:37:02):
And the many exploits of professional a hole Bill Lambier, Well.

Speaker 6 (01:37:06):
Some of those are like in game, like athletes first athletes.
It's like the mouse in the Palace. It was fans
were involved in that. Yeah. I would put the Bruins one.

Speaker 5 (01:37:15):
In going into the stands right at Madison Square, guard
Milberry taking the guy's shoe off. I think the Yankees
Red Sox.

Speaker 3 (01:37:24):
When you know Sech Vera Tech is Zimmer love that
because one Evan's going to get mad at me. But
one thing always bothered me about that, and that was
Vera Tech leaving his mask on.

Speaker 5 (01:37:35):
It bucked me.

Speaker 3 (01:37:36):
Maybe he didn't have time to take it all well,
I'm sure he didn't think about it because you.

Speaker 6 (01:37:39):
Think that he was. It's cowardly.

Speaker 3 (01:37:41):
No, no, no, no, I don't think it was. But I
don't like the look of it because of that, right,
I mean, please, there was a softer like star in
the history of sport.

Speaker 6 (01:37:51):
Pretty obviously Pedro and Zimmer is like, that's obviously the
throw down.

Speaker 5 (01:37:58):
Hat. That was fine.

Speaker 6 (01:37:59):
It was what do you mean I charged Pro?

Speaker 5 (01:38:02):
He just tossed him to the side.

Speaker 6 (01:38:03):
I still want to know what Pedro was supposed to do.
He's going to let him run him over.

Speaker 5 (01:38:09):
I don't charge.

Speaker 3 (01:38:12):
Zimmer was one thousand percent in the wrong, Zimmer And
and I hate Zimmer. I hated him because he was
a horrific manager of the Red Sox, of the my
favorite teams of my childhood. But you couldn't do something
other than like that man like that laid him and he.

Speaker 21 (01:38:32):
That to me is like encourage more annoying what you
said about because like Don Zimmer is running full speed
and everybody just wanted Pedro to just wear it, like
just let him tackle you.

Speaker 2 (01:38:47):
It's like I felt bad. I felt more bad for
Pedro when people were criticized like all he did was
toss him to the side.

Speaker 5 (01:38:55):
I don't know. It wasn't a great fight, but I
don't think they had to do that Cam nearly going
after Ol Samuelson.

Speaker 4 (01:39:00):
That was I kind of enjoyed that that moment elseason
just kind of turtle that wasn't really actually a fight,
but was it?

Speaker 5 (01:39:06):
Was it when Bird just pounded on Lambier. I just
watched that one. That was good.

Speaker 3 (01:39:11):
Know, Tony Mas had the like they had the tears yesterday,
they had like some of these like fireworks. It was
like fireworks in Boston history. And that was the Bird
Lambert stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:39:23):
I was here.

Speaker 2 (01:39:23):
I remember when Robert Parrish punched Parish.

Speaker 3 (01:39:27):
That's why you said the many dirty exploits of billing.
I was here for any of her, any of those
guys taking shots at Lamber.

Speaker 2 (01:39:35):
In your youth sports, uh history, do you remember any
fathers getting in fights, like physical fights fight's father.

Speaker 5 (01:39:44):
Yeah, a couple of times. Yeah, I mean yeah he was.

Speaker 12 (01:39:47):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:39:47):
There was the headline in the paper the next day
was fan fight Mars Holliston victory.

Speaker 5 (01:39:51):
And because uh, I mean I think I've told this before.

Speaker 4 (01:39:53):
My I was I was out with the broken wrist,
drunken high school kids at a high school hockey game,
a d telling them to leave. My dad goes wh by.
After a period, the kids are yelling. My dad went
up into the stands to try to help him along
the way.

Speaker 5 (01:40:04):
And then I.

Speaker 4 (01:40:04):
Didn't see what happened. I just saw like people rolling
in the stands and I'm like, oh, there's a fight.

Speaker 5 (01:40:08):
Going on, and someone's like, it's your dad.

Speaker 1 (01:40:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:40:12):
Not's probably greatest pummic, but that's that's him.

Speaker 1 (01:40:15):
Man.

Speaker 5 (01:40:15):
He's like he's like a vigilante for justice.

Speaker 4 (01:40:17):
If there are kids like being rude and refusing to
leave and disrespectful to it, he's in the face.

Speaker 5 (01:40:23):
He's gonna get up in their face and have no problem. Okay,
all right, all right.

Speaker 4 (01:40:27):
He also got to like I think I told another
one where like there was a woman changing her tire
and there were like these guys like harassing her and
framing him, and he like pulled over and like started
yelling at the guys to like leave them alone. There
was one at the Boston Garden where some guy was
being drunken of like, my dad won't hesitate to like
get in somebody's face that they're if they're not doing
the right thing.

Speaker 2 (01:40:44):
There was one that I of Red Sox. One that
I was hoping would turn into a fight is the
one where Clemens threw at somebody and the guy I
don't know if it was a broken bat.

Speaker 5 (01:40:54):
He Clemens picked up piece of the bat.

Speaker 3 (01:40:57):
That was Mets Yankees World Series. It was one of
the dumbest things I've ever seen in my life.

Speaker 5 (01:41:02):
Yeah, I was hoping that. I thought it was Yeah,
I know, throwing them.

Speaker 6 (01:41:09):
I was helping.

Speaker 3 (01:41:11):
There's nothing about it that made any sense at all.
What does he think he's out if he hits him
with the ball, you.

Speaker 6 (01:41:16):
Know the play?

Speaker 3 (01:41:17):
Yeah, it was just quintessential Clements meathead r.

Speaker 2 (01:41:22):
I wanted to fight there, but it didn't happen.

Speaker 4 (01:41:24):
Never like Patriots stuff though, really, but I mean football, no,
not a lot of fights, but there haven't been along
in the stands.

Speaker 5 (01:41:29):
Yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:41:31):
I was just thinking, like the Panthers practice where that
was a melee broke out with Wise that.

Speaker 5 (01:41:37):
Yeah, football is so good you can't fight. It's like
you gotta throw out the joint practice fights because.

Speaker 6 (01:41:44):
They're all happens every The fights in football are snatching,
snatching the chain, or like Mike Evans and Marshawn Lattimore, Like,
it's usually like a receiver in a corner that get
too physical with each other over the course of a
Gameland Finn again, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:41:58):
That's always in fights.

Speaker 6 (01:42:00):
Andre Johnson landed really really good punch too.

Speaker 2 (01:42:04):
And then then there are NBA fights where it's more like,
you know, people slapping each other.

Speaker 4 (01:42:10):
How do you guys feel now about hockey fights? Like,
sometimes I watch a hockey fight and I'm like, I
can't believe this still happens. Like it's just crazy to
me that fights like there's just full on assault will
break out in the middle of a sporting event, and like,
I still I'm a hockey guy.

Speaker 5 (01:42:23):
I love it, but like it's still.

Speaker 2 (01:42:24):
Just like I still can't believe the local media was
having orgasms when they in the in the.

Speaker 5 (01:42:29):
Hockey World Cup.

Speaker 2 (01:42:30):
Pick your party when when Canada U s A when
they started off off, people like.

Speaker 5 (01:42:36):
This is was pretty coo.

Speaker 6 (01:42:40):
It was one of the best hockey games I've seen it.

Speaker 3 (01:42:41):
And I'm sort of like an anti I'm kind of
like Mike, I think it's kind of run its course,
not that I don't. I don't think they should outlaw
because I do think there's a place, and I think
there's a reason why it needs to stay in because
it polices the game itself. But I'm kind of I'm
kind of over that. It's just Stan Jonathan beating the
bag out of Peter Bouchet. When I was a kid, though,
it was like unbelievable.

Speaker 6 (01:43:02):
It depends on what the fight like. When they just
like kind of have a fight just to fight, it's
not as fun. But like I we were at a
Bruins game off his last year of the year before
where the guy on the opposing team, uh, just was
going after Pasta, like just going after him. That's going
after him, and then he ended up boarding him actually
and hitting it, you know the numbers in the back
right into the boards, and Trent Frederick just beat the

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crap out of the guy.

Speaker 3 (01:43:25):
You get whoever, the toughest guy you have, has got
to go and protect your stuff.

Speaker 6 (01:43:28):
Yeah, and it happened right in front of us. You
would have thought that it was like gladiators in the
freak like and the whole stands were like like rooting
for Frederick to.

Speaker 5 (01:43:37):
Just blood lust.

Speaker 6 (01:43:38):
Yeah, because Pasta is like like on like he's still
on the ice. Like I don't know if it was.

Speaker 1 (01:43:47):
It might have been.

Speaker 6 (01:43:49):
Another right, it was great, but like that was the
that was a real true hockey fight, like I can't now,
I can't remember if it was Star Marshi, but it
was one of the sto yeah, absolutely, and and Frederick
won the fight. The guy other guy actually ended up
getting some locks into and we were like, oh, this

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is going south. But it was good.

Speaker 4 (01:44:11):
I just imagine how jarring it is for a fan
to go to a game, like maybe they've never been
to a hockey game, aren't even aware that that's fighting,
and then all of a sudden, just like never in
real life are you really around, just a fight breaking
out and it happens.

Speaker 2 (01:44:23):
I used to go to the cape Cod Cubs hockey
games at the cape Cod Coliseum. This is flights, and
there was a guy named Nick Fatile that at the
end of the second period they dimmed the lights, he'd
pick a guy, they'd go to center rice and he
beat the crap out of them, you know, And that
was like the main thing.

Speaker 5 (01:44:38):
That was like the main ticket.

Speaker 2 (01:44:39):
That's why we want to see Nick Fatile fight.

Speaker 6 (01:44:43):
Like those ones. I just don't like that's like, I
don't think that hockey used to do that anymore. Like
sometimes you're out of Bruin's game and all of a sudden,
randomly they'll just drop the gloves and like at the
other end of the ice, and you're just like what happened?
Like did someone do something? But like when it's like
a star player is getting picked on or something, like,
you got to have that one guy on the team
that's gonna put an end to it. I'm for that.

Speaker 4 (01:45:04):
And even still there are guys like Sam Bennett who
can play on that edge and never have to fight
and never have to fight.

Speaker 5 (01:45:11):
That's why I think that guy needs to get right.

Speaker 6 (01:45:15):
The Bruins tried who was.

Speaker 2 (01:45:17):
The guy from the Flyers back in the in the seventies,
like the.

Speaker 5 (01:45:21):
Bad No, No, he was the he was the orcer.
But the guy there was the jerk. He was a
great goal scorer, car Bobby Clark.

Speaker 2 (01:45:30):
Bobby Clark, he was such a you know, like he
was a rat back in the day, and Dave Schultz
would just stick up for him all the time and
he'd get away with protection.

Speaker 3 (01:45:40):
That's the like Charlestown Chiefs, the seventies Flyers, they didn't
play hockey.

Speaker 6 (01:45:47):
Yeah, they they had a nickname, right, what was the nickname?
Broad Street Bully yet busy the Bruins tried to fight
Sam Bennett. I mean the Panthers beat the crap out
him every time they play. But Sam Bennett like did
some in front of the net last year and he
didn't realize it was a door who was standing there,
and so he thought it was it was somebody random

(01:46:08):
and it was a door off who's like Charisize, like
he's six eight, six' nine and it's a door off
just right hooked to the. Face And bennett just went
down like a sack of. Potatoes And panthers probably won the,
game like five to.

Speaker 5 (01:46:19):
One we knocked them.

Speaker 6 (01:46:21):
Out, yeah are you any more?

Speaker 5 (01:46:24):
Games uh, no not right.

Speaker 2 (01:46:26):
Now but But matt writes In going to The break On, Tuesday,
Paul fred And evan were answering a question about if
they could go to any sporting, event what would it.
Be some Interesting wimbledon And World cup answers came from the,
panel But paul sneaky hilarious mumble just before the break
WAS i wouldn't go to that if it was in my.
Backyard about the, world such An, american such an.

Speaker 5 (01:46:51):
Amazing Com what does the fact That I'm italian have
to do. ANYTHING i don't like Soccer.

Speaker 6 (01:46:57):
Italy what do you MEAN i don't like?

Speaker 4 (01:47:00):
SOCCER i, know BUT i think if the opportunity presents
itself next summer to go to one of those, GAMES
i probably.

Speaker 6 (01:47:06):
Would take it just for The i'm not.

Speaker 3 (01:47:09):
Exaggerating there's nothing they can unless they're they're putting an,
incentive financial incentive for me to be. There there's nothing
that they could not even IF.

Speaker 2 (01:47:18):
I disagree with, You, Paul i've been to A World cup.
Game it's, amazing it's, amazing but.

Speaker 3 (01:47:24):
It wouldn't be for. Me why BECAUSE i don't have any?
Interest what about the? Atmosphere it does nothing for.

Speaker 6 (01:47:29):
Me if Like france And argentina are playing here and
you Have messy and like the best team in the
world In, france you have. None there's nothing about sports
in general that attracts you to, That, like there's no
there's no appeal to go see the greatest soccer player
of all time against the best team in the. World
like that's not that's not appealing team like to. Me for, Me,

(01:47:53):
no that's, crazy but it's it's like a moment.

Speaker 5 (01:47:56):
Like it's like it's but it's not a moment for.
Me it's just, like you, KNOW i.

Speaker 4 (01:48:01):
Onside of, him BUT i am very strongly like kind
of Like, paul Like i'd be, cool but like after
the first like ten, Minutes i'd probably be.

Speaker 3 (01:48:07):
LIKE i want To i'd want to be and you,
know Like i'm like so deranged THAT i would actually
feel guilty that someone who would really appreciate this is
not getting the opportunity That i'm.

Speaker 5 (01:48:18):
Getting that's how WHACKED i.

Speaker 6 (01:48:21):
AM i just like someone else should be, here AND
i see like the history of, it like you don't
see the moment of something like.

Speaker 5 (01:48:29):
THAT i don't have any interest in the. Moment but
THAT'S i, mean that's kind of along WHAT i.

Speaker 4 (01:48:33):
Did we had an opportunity to get tickets to The messy,
game and LIKE i don't have any, interest BUT i
have a friend who's a humongous soccer, fan SO i.

Speaker 5 (01:48:40):
Gave them to.

Speaker 3 (01:48:40):
HER i gave to played four years of college soccer
at Stone. Hill you know his son plays now at
The DIVISION iii.

Speaker 4 (01:48:48):
Level they're, going you're saying less is different Than World.

Speaker 3 (01:48:53):
Cup they care, no but they but they care about
SEEING messi WHEN i thought this all started with the
greatest player of all. Time they care about seeing, MESSY i,
don't SO i got them in the.

Speaker 5 (01:49:05):
Ticket it's pretty cool watching him un full speed with the.
Ball it's just like it's. Stuck he's. Unbelievable how does that?
Happen he's just so much better than everybody else.

Speaker 2 (01:49:13):
Watched brandon writes In what's?

Speaker 5 (01:49:17):
UP Pu?

Speaker 2 (01:49:17):
Crew or SHOULD i call You sunshine Dot? Com with
all this over the top, positivity that's. Fine it's time
to be. Positive is the? Offseason since the majority of
The patriots nation believes this season should be a ten
win season or, Bust i'd like to do a thought
experiment in the opposite. Direction what do you do if
You're Robert kraft and The patriots only win four games

(01:49:38):
again this? Season because the context, Matters i'll give you
three ways the team gets to four. Wins scenario, One
Drake may's play plateaus or regresses and the offense. Struggles,
meanwhile the defense is middle of the road to. Elite scenario,
Two Drake may takes a year two, leap but the
rest of the team around him, struggles leading to A

(01:49:59):
Joe burrow Slash Drew brees esque season For.

Speaker 5 (01:50:02):
May Drew brees had some pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:50:04):
Seasons scenario, Three Drake may goes down early and is
out for the season and the team cannot overcome.

Speaker 5 (01:50:11):
It that's the only one that would be, okay.

Speaker 6 (01:50:14):
That would be.

Speaker 5 (01:50:15):
Okay, no but you, know winning four games.

Speaker 3 (01:50:19):
Excuse the only one that would be an excuse is
your quarterback got hurt.

Speaker 6 (01:50:24):
Already Jason tatum is already out for the. Year can
we just like one?

Speaker 2 (01:50:27):
Person, like, so the question is what do you do
when these? Scenarios if You're Robert Drake.

Speaker 3 (01:50:33):
May taking a step forward and only winning four, games
don't see. It it's like really hard to imagine that
would be, Bad.

Speaker 6 (01:50:39):
Like even The bengals to, one like we're one game
away from the. Playoffs last year they win nine? Games,
yeah when when when it doesn't come into?

Speaker 5 (01:50:45):
It Drew brees never had a season like.

Speaker 6 (01:50:47):
That you, KNOW i get what he's saying, about like the,
stats like good, stats but bad.

Speaker 5 (01:50:52):
Team but maybe they missed the, playoffs but not four, wins.

Speaker 4 (01:50:55):
RIGHT i just no matter how it actually looks and
how you get, there it's going to be so hard
to blow it up.

Speaker 5 (01:51:00):
Again LIKE i JUST i.

Speaker 3 (01:51:01):
Can't, Okay so that's why the first one is the worst.
One so let's take scenario no bottoms out and he.
Ain't it's clear at the end of when we're doing
this show at this time next, year it's clear that
may ain't.

Speaker 6 (01:51:12):
The guy we're talking, About Garrett.

Speaker 5 (01:51:14):
Nesmeier that's the. Worst now you're in first. Scenario now
you're in. Trouble now you're really starting. Over, yeah, okay.

Speaker 4 (01:51:22):
Because you're willing to maybe not, overlook but you're willing
at least to pinch your nose and go forward with
the weaponry around. Him but it depends on him taking
a step and then trying to make something of. It
and if he, doesn't then you're then you got. Nothing
like anything else.

Speaker 3 (01:51:36):
Though all the free agency brought in that are now you're,
in so you didn't get that free agent bump and,
now but.

Speaker 2 (01:51:42):
Like anything, else the devil's in the, details like why
did he? Regress you, know like what's going on?

Speaker 4 (01:51:47):
Here and even like you, know even if you want
to play the game of pin it all On josh,
McDaniels like, again.

Speaker 5 (01:51:52):
It's hard to, say like year, three we're going to
have another.

Speaker 4 (01:51:55):
SYSTEM i, mean what he had junior, year senior, year
first year, SET i, mean five systems in five.

Speaker 5 (01:52:01):
Years it's it's a really really hard. Sell and what scenario.

Speaker 2 (01:52:04):
Too it's hard for me to think that he takes
a year two leap and they only win four games
unless the defense is just.

Speaker 3 (01:52:11):
HARD i find it really really tough to buy that, too,
right unless they've just fallen behind and he's getting.

Speaker 5 (01:52:17):
A lot Of Reven Gardner chew's.

Speaker 3 (01:52:20):
Stats, like so it looks like he's making a, leap
but really he.

Speaker 5 (01:52:25):
Didn't it just.

Speaker 4 (01:52:26):
Shows how much focus of the season is On Drake
may and how much not only depends on, him but
just maintaining belief amongst the fan base right, now because
people are generally positive on. Him maybe some more than,
others but generally you feel like you had a pretty
good year and that there's a lot of tools to work.
With but even if he ends up just kind of being,
middling and like even that is it's gonna be hard

(01:52:48):
to kind of navigate do we bring competition in for?
Him like are we having that conversation in year?

Speaker 6 (01:52:54):
Three just, okay that's pretty premature to do that night.

Speaker 5 (01:52:57):
Three IT'S i, mean it's, hard it's hard it's nothing. Ideal,
Yeah jared's In. Ohio, Hey, Jared.

Speaker 22 (01:53:05):
Hey what's GOING i gotta boone the pick with you.

Speaker 6 (01:53:07):
Guys oh, yeah, okay.

Speaker 22 (01:53:10):
You guys have had On Tom. Douglas back In, march
y'all had him on the, show and y'all was talking.

Speaker 13 (01:53:15):
So positive and stuff and laughing in.

Speaker 22 (01:53:17):
Space but, Y'all i've been listening to y'all in the
past few, months and y'all down them. Thing he's not
a good.

Speaker 13 (01:53:22):
Receiver he's not Gonna i'm.

Speaker 5 (01:53:24):
Not gonna make the. Team who said?

Speaker 22 (01:53:25):
THAT i didn't none of y'all say that the.

Speaker 5 (01:53:27):
Show we all said that he will make the.

Speaker 11 (01:53:28):
Team.

Speaker 6 (01:53:29):
Yeah Greg bard says that he's not a lot to
make the. Roster we, are but we are.

Speaker 22 (01:53:35):
Not you, guys y'all didn't say none of. This a
couple of months back when he was he was on the.
Show y'all didn't.

Speaker 11 (01:53:39):
Say anything negative to.

Speaker 6 (01:53:40):
Him y'all just speaking when not say anything negative about?

Speaker 2 (01:53:43):
Him, now, WELL i don't think he's a, lot BUT
i like.

Speaker 5 (01:53:46):
Him he's a. Player Greg bard, Says i'm not a
lot to make the.

Speaker 6 (01:53:50):
Roster, okay he's not sitting.

Speaker 3 (01:53:51):
Here that's not That fred was reading a report off
of one of our emails That Greg. Barnard they were
listening to A Greg barnard. Podcast that's where they said it.

Speaker 5 (01:54:00):
Was one of the. Courts, actually caller brought it.

Speaker 3 (01:54:03):
Up we haven't said anything negative about To Mario, DOUGLAS.

Speaker 22 (01:54:06):
I, know but y'all said he's not that he's got
to find. Batter he's not a good.

Speaker 19 (01:54:09):
Receiver wife you.

Speaker 22 (01:54:10):
Know then when he was on the show and who.

Speaker 5 (01:54:13):
Said he's not a good, RECEIVER i don't.

Speaker 22 (01:54:14):
KNOW i went back and listened to y'all CAN i
CAN i? TALK i went back and listening to the
whole show where y'all had him on a couple months.
Ago y'all was sitting, out he's a good people in
The danish game and all. That But i've been watching
a lot of the shows and what. Not b y'all
say he's like a number four.

Speaker 19 (01:54:28):
Receiver, okay, okay, yeah y'all.

Speaker 6 (01:54:30):
Should have Total, yeah that's not.

Speaker 5 (01:54:32):
Negative when he was on the, show, YEAH i, mean
he's not a y'all.

Speaker 22 (01:54:35):
Should have brunet up a couple of months ago when
he was on the. Show why y'all should have said?

Speaker 5 (01:54:39):
That, so why is it, Our but, No, jared we're
not going to have a guest on the.

Speaker 6 (01:54:44):
Show DO i have to tell him where he fits
in the hierarchy of the?

Speaker 5 (01:54:47):
Offense, right y'all.

Speaker 22 (01:54:48):
Was buttering y'all was buttering up and.

Speaker 5 (01:54:50):
Buttering, well he's latter in his faith and. Stuff, well
we'll bring nice to him or what's wrong with?

Speaker 22 (01:54:55):
That oh, so, y'all don't y'all don't be real.

Speaker 5 (01:54:57):
ANYMORE i would be nice to him right now he
was on the.

Speaker 6 (01:55:00):
Show what is not real about where we?

Speaker 2 (01:55:02):
Think If martellus dial was on the, show i'd be
nice to sell. Us marcellus, THOUGH i, mean, LIKE i
think you're mixing up being nice to a guy with sitting.

Speaker 5 (01:55:13):
There and evaluating his. Ability oh now you're going to
hang up even got under fred?

Speaker 3 (01:55:18):
Skin, no BUT i.

Speaker 2 (01:55:19):
THINK i think he's mixing up being nice to someone
with sitting there in front of him and telling him
your evaluation of him as a.

Speaker 5 (01:55:25):
Player you're not going to do. That not a, coach
it's not my business to do.

Speaker 3 (01:55:29):
THAT i can tell you as an analyst WHAT i
think about the team and the players and, Whatnot But
i'm not going to be disrespectful to a person that's
not MY i, think, like, yeah that.

Speaker 6 (01:55:38):
So you're supposed to say to Tomorrow, Douglas, hey like
there's some rumors out there that you might be, traded,
RIGHT i guess we could. HAVE i don't.

Speaker 2 (01:55:46):
KNOW i, MEAN i don't. Know jared hung, up but,
like what's the point of.

Speaker 5 (01:55:50):
THAT i don't.

Speaker 3 (01:55:50):
Know at the, GAME i think he's trying to get
us in like a gotcha, moment like you guys are
frauds because you didn't tell him that it's not a
lock to make the team to The space.

Speaker 5 (01:55:59):
Right like why would we do? That? Why, like why
would you say that to? Anybody i'm at a.

Speaker 4 (01:56:03):
LOSS i, MEAN i the only Thing i've said About
Pop douglas AND i kind of think he is a
log is THAT i thought he had a really good.
SPRING i know we had questions how he's going to
fit into this. System he was very active this. SPRING
i don't know what else he's.

Speaker 6 (01:56:14):
Looking i've always been A pop. GUY i was pumped
when they drafted, him Like i've Always i'm always honest with.

Speaker 3 (01:56:20):
You it's one of the reasons WHY i don't really
like player interviews because they're not, real they're not and that's,
Why like it's just common. Courtesy you don't like bring
a guy on your show so you can trash, him,
right or So Greg bdard is going to sit there and, say, Hey,
tomrio thanks for joining us. TODAY i don't think you're
going to make the. Team, like why Would greg do?

(01:56:42):
That that's not.

Speaker 2 (01:56:43):
Professional, Now, now if you're talking like with an established
player and there's trade roomors circulating and he comes on
and it's not a team, show it's it's right the.
Regular you ask him how you react to the rumors
about you possibly being. Traded you should be asking, that

(01:57:04):
but not.

Speaker 5 (01:57:05):
Us BUT i.

Speaker 3 (01:57:06):
Didn't we also didn't, say, well you're clearly the best
receiver on the, Team.

Speaker 6 (01:57:09):
Tomrio it's like we didn't do, that, right we're.

Speaker 5 (01:57:14):
Asking me questions about his off.

Speaker 4 (01:57:16):
Season of all the guys that accuse us of, FLAMING
i don't REALLY i don't remember ever Flaming Tomorroo.

Speaker 5 (01:57:21):
Douglas but it's all. Good he's pretty upset about.

Speaker 3 (01:57:23):
IT i think he has a chance to be another
one of these, productive high volume slot receivers That josh
McDaniels has.

Speaker 5 (01:57:31):
LIKED i remember calling him to do. IT i remember
calling him a weapon and being. MOCKED i didn't mock,
you BUT i disagree with.

Speaker 6 (01:57:40):
You there's a difference between us giving our opinions as
analysts on the show like we are doing right, now
and having a guy in for a player interview and
sitting him. Down it's not the point of the interview
him about where he thinks he fits into the, hierarchy
AND i just.

Speaker 5 (01:57:56):
Say, LIKE i don't get what he's, saying because there's
Nothing i've said About Pop douglas on the show THAT
i wouldn't have said to his.

Speaker 3 (01:58:00):
Face my biggest argument is that he claims that we
were negative About.

Speaker 6 (01:58:04):
Douglas, NOW i don't think we have.

Speaker 3 (01:58:06):
BEEN i don't think we are, today and somebody we
have been in the ensuing shows that we've had since
he's been, on somebody had a. Report someone had a
report that said that they don't think he's a lock
to make the. Roster that's not. Negative there's competition among
the wide receiver.

Speaker 2 (01:58:21):
Room and if we said he was you, know we
think he could be a good fourth, receiver.

Speaker 5 (01:58:25):
That's not negative.

Speaker 1 (01:58:25):
Either.

Speaker 2 (01:58:26):
No, right, well, listen but when he's sitting, here we're
not going to, say you, know the, best we think
you could be as a fourth.

Speaker 5 (01:58:31):
Receiver why would we do?

Speaker 6 (01:58:32):
THAT i think that he Was we tried to explain
that that it was we're going off Of greg's reporting
and not something that one of us. Said AND i
don't think he was really comprehending That greg is not
sitting here with us right, now. Right SO i think
that's and they.

Speaker 2 (01:58:49):
Were comparing between him and Mac, hollis who's more of
A Locke Hollins.

Speaker 5 (01:58:53):
HOLLINS i don't know why.

Speaker 19 (01:58:56):
Him.

Speaker 6 (01:58:56):
TOO i don't think he's ever shown any dynamic.

Speaker 2 (01:58:59):
Ability yeah To Mario, Douglas, yeah you're talking About pop, now.

Speaker 5 (01:59:07):
AND i would agree with.

Speaker 3 (01:59:08):
THAT i think, he's you, know sort of like one
of those underneath guys THAT i think can be a
bigger part if McDaniels likes. HIM i think he could
be more of a high volume Like welker. Was but
LIKE i wouldn't Say welker was like a dynamic downfield, receiver,
no but he caught one hundred and twenty balls every, year.

Speaker 5 (01:59:26):
Right and the question is Like, pop can you could
you hold up to?

Speaker 6 (01:59:29):
That but you do that.

Speaker 2 (01:59:30):
WELL i think McDaniels might be looking for the BANKY
i don't Think pop is.

Speaker 5 (01:59:35):
A banky type. Guy well he might, be we'll. See,
YEAH i don't, know you.

Speaker 23 (01:59:40):
KNOW i mean of all the receivers that we have
talked about and analyzed, here of, everybody all of, them like,
Tomorrow douglas is in like probably the top five of
guys THAT i just think can contribute and have a
role on this.

Speaker 5 (01:59:52):
Team and that's like high praise from my point of.
View totally get What greg's, saying like this is suffered,
debate but we've never that, guy and believe.

Speaker 3 (02:00:01):
Somebody that's my my number one problem with the assertion
is that we were negative to. THEM i don't think
we have, been AND i don't think we were in the.

Speaker 2 (02:00:09):
Past, meanwhile two emails before calling Us sunshine dot, com so.

Speaker 5 (02:00:14):
You know you mean you're probably doing something. Right you can't?

Speaker 2 (02:00:16):
Wait all, right that's going to be it for this
edition of a fourth Of July Eve The Safe On. Show, yeah,
everyone have a good time tomorrow eating your fourth And july.

Speaker 5 (02:00:26):
Food it's a great.

Speaker 2 (02:00:28):
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Speaker 5 (02:00:32):
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