Patriots Unfiltered 7/8: Training Camp Preview, Position Battles, League News and Topics

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:02):
Listener discretion is advised. The World's of Bigeon podcast, Welcome
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Speaker 3 (00:15):
A lot of people have commented that we may have
had the best substitute show of all time.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
I don't know about that, but Salt and Peppa.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
I remember DK Metcalf came into the league. That's funny,
he said, nobody in the league can cover me. Whichevery
receiver says he Buttle is like not even Jailing Ramsey,
and he's like especially not Jaalen Ramsey or like something like, yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Have no knowledge of this celeb.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
You gotta pay more attention Freddy all.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Right, you know they don't show that in the red zone. Hey,
what's going on?

Speaker 1 (00:40):
I'm doing fine? How you doing, John going?

Speaker 4 (00:42):
I'm happy to hear that.

Speaker 5 (00:43):
I'm happy of buctioning of your telling.

Speaker 6 (00:44):
Sometimes you just do a little down trodden.

Speaker 5 (00:46):
I worry about you.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
Yeah, No, usually I'm just mad I look at those
two players the way I haven't just described it. Which again,
this is why everybody was so excited about the Salt
and Peppa show last last Tuesday.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
You young kids don't read reading.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
It's not that I don't like I love to read.
I don't know if I can sit down and open
up it's my problem.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
But you can spend four hours scrolling on Instagram.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
I think it's a pretty decent reader. But I think
I don't know. I just I'd rather be watching something.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
I like to go outside, Fred and enjoy. What do
you want to be, Chris when you grow up?

Speaker 1 (01:26):
I don't know, you know grown?

Speaker 7 (01:29):
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Speaker 2 (01:38):
All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here
at Jillette Stadium. It's Deuce, it's Alex, it's Fred, it's
Matt Nabooth. Evan's out, Paul's out, as been out right,
he's in and out. Yeah, but we're going to have
another off season show as we get a little bit

(02:00):
closer to training camp, just a little bit. Summer goes
so fast fast. Fourth of July is over now, we're
already counting down the days to July twenty third, which
is the first public day of practice. Quarterbacks and rookies
will be in the eighteenth I mean, what's today, the
eighth Yeah, we're talking.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
Ten days from now, I know, ten days.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
From now, and that's it. That's summer's over for us.
I sucks.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
I'm trying to fight the part of me that is
excited to get going, like I want to try. I'm
taking some various days off over the next couple of weeks,
still trying to be here for the show. But I want.
I'm excited, like I want to get going, Like I
know that once you get going, you're going, and so.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
That's once you get going, you're going.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
But there's a lot to be excited about this year,
I feel like, and a lot of different stuff to
watch in training camp, a whole new defense to watch.
So trying to enjoy my vacation while I still cam,
but it's hard not to feel that energy coming that
there's going to be renewed sense for this Patriots.

Speaker 7 (03:00):
It just got really nice out like only in the last.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
Couple of you know, we've been waiting for this, Jude.

Speaker 7 (03:06):
Felt like such a wash literally and figuratively with weather.
So I don't know, I'm soaking it up all I can.
I'm excited, but I'm like, you know, is.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
The humidity, because I like that is like I cannot
you go outside and you're just so gross.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
I'm trying trying to do some indoor painting, and like
you know, you have to keep everything like cool and dry,
so I'm running the ac just but at.

Speaker 7 (03:29):
The same time, you have to open the windows like ventally.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
I'm good with that. I like the high.

Speaker 7 (03:35):
Just sniffing paint.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
I like, I like the high. But anyway, enough of that. Yeah,
so uh some Patriots News, we saw some evidence photographic
and video evidence of Drake and and the guys getting
together outside of ot as on the own. I love it.
I love it, including Stefan Diggs. So good stuff. I

(04:01):
love that, you know, getting together on their own and
getting that camaraderie and timing and all that. That's really hopeful.
Not that we're the only team that does that and
the only quarterback that does that, but it's just good
to see.

Speaker 7 (04:15):
Yeah, based on rumors, I don't think I've seen anything
that confirms this, but it looks like they might have
been in North Carolina too, which makes me think that
Drake is the one that kind of corralled everyone to
go up there. So that's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
Wedding was just over and he's like, I gotta get
my boys down. Sorry, yeah, sorry, and Michael, Yeah, training
camps are coming, but good things.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
So did it look like.

Speaker 9 (04:37):
More of a high school stadium or kind of right,
or maybe like a smaller college you know, there are
some bleachers there, but yeah, then again, the high school
stadiums down there are that's true, wild too, right, Yeah, it's.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
Good that little leadership from Drake, maybe getting the guys together,
maybe refresher course before they get back here. Yeah, it
seemed like in my experience, spread like they really try
to do almost the install stuff in the spring and
not that they like hit the ground running, but it
is feels kind of like that once they get in
that it's maybe a little bit of review over those
first couple of days when they're walked through pace, I think,

(05:13):
and then you know, and then they'll get after it,
probably the second week. But yeah, good sign. You know,
Drake's get those guys going. You know, we gotta leave
the team.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
And then NFL Network came out with their top one
hundred list. They do that annually, and Christian Gonzales.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
Maybe yeah, I don't know yet. I don't know officially yet,
We don't don't think he might be he might be
in there, and I would imagine.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
Am breaking jumping the gun a little bit.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
No, that is coming up to. I think Thursday. I
think Thursday, Thursday, Thursday official pro.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
If there's anyone that makes it, it should be him.
Of course, of course it here first.

Speaker 7 (05:52):
Okay, you'll have something to talk about Thursday.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
Yeah, yeah, okay, what else? What else we got going? Well?

Speaker 1 (06:00):
I was telling you about Wimbledon, Fred. I mean, I
I as much as I want there to be football news,
I mean I read like Reese's notes on Sunday and
I like, give me something, Mike, give me something, you know,
and he's he's kind of going through like what we do,
writing about the rookie profiles, and thought he had a
little bit of insight on Julian Ashby as the long snappers.
I think we're all like seventh rounder. Do you have
to draft a guy in the seventh ro locked? But
it seemed like he had a lot of different interest

(06:21):
and I like what Mike wrote about him, just talking
about his talent for getting the ball back really fast.
I mean, I think that's similar to what they said
about Joe Cardona in the day. Yeah, but you know
what's that whole operation gonna look like I think that's
a that's a good question, you know, with potentially a
rookie long snapper, a rookie field goal kicker with Borgalis,
So you know some questions there that along that group.

(06:42):
You know, Paul made fun of me. We did a
little preview and Paul's like, I don't know if there's
a kicker battle, but I was like, well, but there's
always something to watch at the end of practice when
I like last year when Jeremy Springer had like everybody
gathers around and they're all hooting and hollering, and I
mean there's no space, and I you know, I like
that stuff. I like seeing how they do under pressure.
And Borgalis I think missed one extra point his whole

(07:03):
career there at Miami. So something new. Love to get
some consistency at the kicker position for this team.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
It's been a while, yeah, I mean, you know, the
only thing people were talking about that you know, could
be a roadblock for him is dealing with weather, cold weather,
because he didn't have to deal with a lot a
lot of that growing up in his career. But like,
well we'll figure that out. If you have a strong
leg and you're accurate. Well, we'll figure that out.

Speaker 7 (07:30):
I spoke to a handful of his coaches, like Manny
Diaz and who coached him as freshman year, and one
thing Manny said is like, it's not like they don't
travel up north to play games, you know. And I
don't know. I'm really hyped up about Andy. I think
he's not your prototypical kicker based on what I've heard
and kind of just seeing how he interacts in the

(07:52):
building already, Like everyone told me, like, you're not just
getting a kicker, You're getting a football player. He's a
Miami kid. He has a swagger to him. He won't
be just like by himself kicking into a net on
the sideline during a game. He's going to be on
the sideline talking crap. Like just really hyping up.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
These kickers are getting better and better, stronger and strong.
It won't be long before we have a seventy yard
field goal. There's no I believe it.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
I believe it, Yeah, no question about it. But you know,
I just I think he's the kind of player where
rookie you put maybe a little pressure on him early
and see you know how he does. But but what
what does it matter, Like I just don't feel like,
do you really know if you can kick in the weather, Like, oh,
well he was.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
In height carcel Barcels used to like have this water
bottle and he'd like squirt the ball and get it wet,
and he'd stand so like his shadow would be over
the ball. So the kicker is like seeing Parcels shadow
on the ball, you know, anything to increase the pressure,
like imulate pressure.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
I know Adam vin Terry South Dakota, but like, do
he ever really have to make a kick like he
made here? Like oh no, he did like six or
seven times in high school. This one will be fine,
Like you just have to have that swag. I don't
know that to me is worth a lot more. I
mean maybe when you get here in December and he
needs to hit a game winner for the first time

(09:13):
as a rookie. But I don't know, because Caustosia, I
think had the same concerns. Wasn't he from down South
as well and a baseball guy, And I don't know
if he had all I feel like.

Speaker 7 (09:21):
It's kind of just something to talk about, you know,
like it's just a narrative thing. Yeah, I don't know.
Having played soccer, maybe your foot hurts a little more
after you kick the ball in the freezing cold weather.
But it's I don't know. I think it's a lot
harder to kick in the wicked, bad humidity.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
I think the wind is the biggest thing, and that's
that's something that any outdoor stadium, it's every one of
them is different. The wind patterns here are different from
Giants Stadium, different than Kansas City. You know, you just
have to get used to it totfullly.

Speaker 7 (09:54):
The new video board blocks a lot of.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
That well, creates a whole different wind pas they used
to be.

Speaker 7 (10:01):
Yeah, I remember Bill talking about that.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yeah, sure, I mean he studied.

Speaker 7 (10:06):
The wind pattern for how many years and then they
put on a video board.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
There's like I wonder, though, like how much of a
jump it is for an NFL kicker with the things
that they talk about that goes into every kick, Because
I've heard Jeremy Springer talk sometimes where the amount of
detail that goes into, you know, every kick that they make.
And I'm sure college is a very detailed too, But
what's it like making that jump to the NFL. Yeah,
it's like to me, anything you did in college or

(10:30):
high school. It doesn't matter until you get here. Do
it here well.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
And again, you know, like you said, there's a lot
of little details that you know the operation, and this
will be the first year in a long time we've
had a long snapper, like you said, other than Joe Cardona.
So that's to me, that's priority number one. Yeah, get
that operation down.

Speaker 7 (10:50):
It seems like the two of them, though, are really
tight already. They spend a lot of time together. And
one thing that's promising for me is that I don't
think Andy is coming in here with the expectation that
it's going to be easy. Because his older brother won
the Lugraser Award for the best kicker in the country
in college. He was an All American and he got
to try out with the Bucks but it didn't work out,

(11:11):
So he's he knows how hard it is really to
make it in this league and how much goes into that.
So I think just having that perspective will be a
really good thing. Ultimately.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
Yeah, it's good make your kicks. I mean, it's like
every year there's new faces here. And it's funny too.
You mentioned like those three guys are always like best
buddies forever. Right, It's like the punter of the long
snapper and the kicker, they're always together, but like there's
some change this year and you could get a new
friend one. Yeah, you know, it's it's somebody like Chad
Ryland was part of that group two years ago. He's out.
Joey slides in the group now. You always see that, right, right.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
Yeah, It's it's an interesting position in sports. You see
these kickers. They get hot and then they get cold,
and then they get cut, and then they hook up
with another team and then they were good again for
you know, it's it's so weird.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
Yeah, I mean you talk about the detail though, I
mean going back to like Ashby's snap speed, you know,
it's like those are the things that go into a
successful operation in the NFL, in a game of tenths
of seconds, hundreds of seconds, it's it's important.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
I still say one of the best long snappers I've
ever seen was Lonnie Paxton. Yeah, I mean he was
incredibly accurate. He could long snap from the twenty yard
line and hit the goldpost like every time. It was
it was uncanny how accurate he was.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
He's not the most random position in all the professional sports.
And it's always the same story too, where like I
don't know, I was in high I was in high
school and somebody just asked me to snap it and
I rifled it back there and like, wow, you really
got talent. And then I just became specialized as a
long snapper, like there's no other position. I mean, I
can't think of another position in professional sport.

Speaker 7 (12:45):
Well, like if you want to play college football and
you're maybe not as genetically gifted as others, like what else. Yeah,
I think that's what Cardona's dad kind of had him doing, right,
if I remember that story correctly. His dad was like
a man like, if you want to play in the NFL,
this is your one and only avenue, so you got
to get really good.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
At father like snap it, snap it, Like I'm like,
are they good? I don't know.

Speaker 7 (13:10):
Well, it's like it's such an undesirable position on the team, right,
And I think back to like youth soccer and stuff,
like parents in the United States at least would get
upset if their child was thrown in the goal. But
really the goalie is usually the most athletic player. They
can jump the highest, they're the quickest reaction and that's
the best way to get a soccer scholarship. And in

(13:32):
Europe the goalies are like worshiped, you know. So it's
so funny. It's like, if I don't know, if I
wanted my kid to get a color college scholarship, a
girl should be either soccer goalie or playing.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
Golf, well, golf out because if you go go soccer
goll you're signing up for pressure and you're gonna be
you're gonna be watching that like college game and we're
gonna go to you're gonna go to kicks and you're
gonna be like, oh my god, oh I know, totally, totally.

Speaker 7 (13:56):
And those soccer camps are so damn expensive, and those
club teams expensive to.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
Get started about the club teams and all this stuff and.

Speaker 10 (14:05):
All that.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
It's it's crazy how parents are just getting swindled, you know.
And the new thing now is it's not just the clubs,
it's the personal training. It's sending these kids to you know,
facilities that do that. My son was one of them
that that trained kids. Yeah, so he knows like they
spend money.

Speaker 7 (14:27):
I was doing a little networking at the Hashtag Sports
Award and there was a guy there who he lived
in Massachusetts for a while and his daughter played soccer.
We're just talking about how like the club sticker on
the back of the suv is like the new status
symbol for parents, Like what club team your kid is
playing on? Like it's the new burken bag if you

(14:49):
have that sticker on the back of your tahoe or
long wagoneers.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
My kid goes to Harvard, they play on the Crabs.

Speaker 7 (14:56):
Yeah whatever.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
I've got a friend who does lacrosse, like that thing.
He's on the Red Hots. I think. I just see
it on social media where it's like you're traveling all
over the country with this kid who's like twelve. I
don't know is he going to get a scholarship or
what I see in hockey too, it's I know, scams.

Speaker 7 (15:15):
And like the public heights not to go down the
rabbit hole, but the public high school hockey teams especially
just like how do they even like uniform a team
because all the kids go to like these private schools
or play juniors or clubs. It's sack.

Speaker 10 (15:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
Now, my best friend's son was going to uh was
at private school. He's going to go to Dedham High
School next year, and he's going to get a chance
to play, Yeah, actually play on the hockey team and stuff.
And that's why they made that decision. You know, it's
I mean, they some of these private schools have like
twelve different teams.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Now, if you're that good, you'll you'll get noticed figure
out if you're that good. Yeah, all right. One another
thing I wanted to ask, because I don't think I
saw the results, but how did the Cape Cod newsletter feedback?
Did people give you responses to that? How did it?

Speaker 7 (16:04):
I got some people on Twitter saying they loved it.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
Did people use our recommendation? I hope so. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (16:10):
I actually was at a restaurant with my family's we
make an annual tradition the week of fourth of July,
going to the Lobster Pot in Provincetown, and I saw
a guy there with a Patriots hat on, and I
was like, I wonder if you read our newsletter? Did
he get this recommendation from the newsletter?

Speaker 2 (16:27):
Here you go?

Speaker 7 (16:28):
Yeah, if you guys have checked out any of our spots,
let us know.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
Yeah. I haven't yet. I got to get down there.
I haven't been down with cap yet this summer.

Speaker 7 (16:35):
Well, be grateful you weren't there.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
Let me tell you something.

Speaker 10 (16:37):
It was.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
It was crazy. So a lot of people for July
fourth got there early, but they left on Saturday. Saturday.
It was crazy, and then Sunday it looked like the
traffic wasn't bad. But then all of a sudden, late
Sunday night, people decided, Okay, we're gonna leave late, and
everybody had the same idea.

Speaker 7 (16:59):
Now, downtown Sandwich probably gets mob with people thinking. People
probably think they can circumvent six traffic and go through
downtown Sandwich and then you're just in a parking lot
on a site.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
So at night, like all of a sudden, like I
hear all like, you know, it's slow because they're in
a traffic gam I hear people's radios and I look
at the window and the road is just this is
nine thirty at night on a Sunday night. Everybody had
the same idea, Yeah, we'll leave later on sid it'll
be better, and it was. It was mad.

Speaker 7 (17:27):
There's no good time to leave, really, I blame TikTok.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
Unless you leave early in the morning. I feel early
in the morning you're you're good.

Speaker 7 (17:35):
I feel like our New England culture is being appropriated
by people, because like when.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
I go to the capelle appropriated by people.

Speaker 7 (17:43):
New England, by non New Englanders. And I've I saw
a lot of videos about people talking about like what
the Hamptons used to be and what it is now
because of the influencers, and I think that's slowly happening
to the Cape because like I maybe pack one nice
outfit when I go to the Cape, and then it's
just like maybe because it's a vacation with my dad,
I'm in like track shorts, T shirts and a bathing suit,

(18:05):
like super comfy, super casual, like that's Cape cod Like
you don't need to be in a prom dress to
go get ice cream. And I'm walking around seeing these
people like Couse playing New Englanders with their Ralph Lauren
sweater with the American take a shot for every time
you see a sweater with an American flag draped over
someone's like shoulders, and people are just dressed to the

(18:27):
nines and I'm like, you're not. This is your first
time at the Cape. This is your first time at
the Cape, you know, and it's just but every place
just lines out the door. So it's like people are
sharing that are hidden gems on TikTok and it's they're
becoming bombarded. That's my my grievances. Last week. It's great
local it is well my aunt uncle said, this is

(18:51):
probably one of their busiest summers. And over thirty years
of having this coffee shop, it was just inste.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
Up a little stand freend in front of your house
and you know, sell waters and you know people are starting.
You know, maybe I have a portal it there body
get somebody jump out, you know, little curses, rest stop.

Speaker 7 (19:07):
Yeah, charge people. It's forty bucks to park in your driveway.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
Yeah right, right, too tired. If you lived here, you'd
be home now.

Speaker 7 (19:15):
Yeah, set up tens in your front yard.

Speaker 10 (19:17):
There you go.

Speaker 7 (19:18):
No vacancy. There's vacancy in my front yard.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
Well see everything you just said is why people like
fred or like after Labor Day, they're like, this is
the best time.

Speaker 7 (19:25):
Local summer. That's what it's called local summer. And September you're.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
Still open, but nobody around anymore.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
Yeah, that's a good spot, all right. What we got
a lot of emails coming in. That's great. Thank you
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Speaker 2 (20:17):
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Drive right into the right into the car.

Speaker 7 (20:24):
How many cars did they fight in the canal?

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Right?

Speaker 1 (20:26):
I think this is the tunnel.

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I know. But I like playing roulette because you can
you can really get a couple of hours there and
not lose a lot of money. Yeah. I don't trust
myself at the tables, Yeah.

Speaker 7 (21:39):
Not even like blackjack, stay away.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
Do not trust myself. Bad experiences in.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
College I had.

Speaker 7 (21:45):
I feel like blackjack is the best win probability.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
It is, it is, for sure. Roulette is a suckers bet.
But if you spread it out and you don't piss
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Speaker 1 (22:06):
Seconds of black jacket. It's ridiculous. Yeah, yeah, all right,
I know craps. You guys kind of play craps, all right, people,
I've had craps explained to me like seven different times.
But it looks fun. Yeah, it seems like that's a
good game too, that you have a good chance to
win some money if you know what you're doing.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
But yeah, all right, well we're not allowed.

Speaker 7 (22:23):
To gamble anyway, so good because I'm useless to casino.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
Okay. Any NFL news coming out? Oh I heard something
today that the Mahomes was being interviewed on a podcast
and he was talking about his relationship with Tom Brady
and he said, you know, we've always talked, but you know,
this offseason they've talked more than ever, it seems, and

(22:47):
Brady's been giving him a lot of good advice. And
I'm like, oh, that's nice. Then I'm thinking to myself, well,
the headline here is if you're a Raiders fan, aren't
you a little mad about that? You know, your minority
owner is giving your biggest competitor tips and advice.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
Yeah, that's kind of weird.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
Yeah, yeah, it's not like it used to be.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
It is, and it seems like there's a lot of
these popping up of like Tom Brady and you know,
he's everywhere now, which is great, but it's also like,
that's exactly what I thought too with Mahomes the Bezo
switch right right, like port Gino Smith's like, you know,
I give me some advice there, mister owner, how about that.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
But one thing I will say too, though, is I
thought Mahomes actually looked in pretty good shape. A lot
of people gave him crap last year. That was like
the first shot of him walking in first day of
Chiefs camp, and he looked a little a little bit
of a dad belly, yeah, but he looked like it
was in shape.

Speaker 10 (23:36):
You know.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
It's like you're getting one of those seasons where like
the Patriots in the middle of their great run, where
every season you didn't get a Super Bowl, it was
just a missed opportunity and it would you know kind
of I think nine was a year that like like
that really cut them back where they realized like we
really got to make some changes. But you know, even
like twelve thirteen where they're like AFC Championship but just

(23:56):
falling slow. You know, it's just you know, you've got
a window of time and it's so frustrating. And I
could kind of sense that with Mahomes of like, yeah,
we stumbled last year. We're hearing everybody talking and I
mean they've they've reloaded really well, we'll see how they do.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
Yeah, all right, Tom Brady.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
I saw a great Tom Brady video actually get on
like the TikTok feed, but it was just like him
talking about mechanics and throwing mechanics and going through it
and it was like it's just poetry in motion watching
that guy throw football. How refined he is and he's
just I think the question in the video was what's
one thing that bugs you about when you see high

(24:34):
school and college quarterback mechanics? And he said a lot
of it, like not to get too technical, but a
lot of it is like you're trying to pull your
left shoulder in your head and you end up being
less accurate where you rotate around your body. And he said,
you know, the Tom Howse thing is you're eating a
hamburger with this hand. So it's just really cool. I mean,
it's like watching the towel.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
I'm a left heap, but and he would do it
on his right side because he's he would tuck us
towel under his left arm, keep that arm close so
that it, you know, it doesn't create that extra motion.
And like you said, the more motion you create, the
less accurate you're gonna be. You know, you want to
be efficient.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
It's like it probably happens everybody where you find a
video comes across your feet and you're like, oh, that's interesting.
And then it was like a coach who had a
lot of different quarterback mechanics videos, and then he had
one with Aaron Rodgers as well, and Aaron Rodgers talking
about as he got older, really focusing on his feet
and planting his feet in the ground and generating power
from the ground and not trying to, you know, generate
power yourself, but it all coming from the base in

(25:35):
your legs. And again it goes back to talk about
long snapper mechanics, like these guys when you get to
this level, like every inch matters if you're a defender,
if you take one wrong step this way they gotcha.
If you're a quarterback and the balls here instead of here,
it's incomplete, you know, Like that's how much minutia goes
into all of these guys try to refer.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
Rogers was amazing, or probably not as much, but the
amount of path he would generate with so little motion
like he would it looked like a flick. I mean,
it was just amazing. And that's why a lot of people,
you know, in his prime would say, you know, he's
the best pure quarterback. You know, forget about game management
and mental part, but just the mechanics, he was the best.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
Yeah, I mean it's something to watch, you know, with Drake,
and I mean that's you know, seeing Cam Newton and
seeing Mac and you get a lot of sample size
of these guys, and everybody's got their own way to
do it. But I'd like to see Drake continuing to
refine those things because with Brady you can tell it's
just muscle memory.

Speaker 10 (26:35):
Now.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
Everything to him is already built in. He knows exactly
what to do. The other thing he was talking about, too,
is just the answers to the test stuff that and
he just said he was talking about Kansas City's defense
and He's like, I knew those guys inside and out,
and so when I'm walking out of the huddle and
I see their body language and where they're kind of standing,
I already know what they're gonna They're gonna show pressure

(26:56):
and then compail to cover two. He's like, that was
my superpower. My superpower was mentally knowing what the defense
was going to be doing, and if this play we
had on wasn't going to work, I would adjust it
so in a way that I thought it would work.
And you know that coupled with no.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
He's it's you know, everybody makes the analogy to chess,
and he was like a chess master. He had seen
so many things and played so many games that whatever
the configuration that he's seen it before. Just like a
chess master, they can look at the board and they
can see the configuration and they can they can think

(27:30):
three four moves ahead. And that's the way he was
and you know, unparalleled mental capacity.

Speaker 7 (27:38):
Yeah, you only you only get that experience with the
longevity he had, which he also worked at right right,
everything just was to level one hundred with him, every
single detail.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
That's what I wondered with Mahomes is did part of
what they're talking about tie to you know, Brady, when
Brady maybe even a little before. I remember, I just
remember there was six seasons when all of a sudden
he started wearing like a strap or around his forearm.
You're like, what's going on there? And you know he
talked about that being something that popped up that Alex
Guerrero helped him with, like getting like he thought he
was gonna have to deal with like tennis elbow the

(28:08):
rest of his life. But Alex Guero got in their
massages now enough times it got that well. But maybe
that's something that he's talking to Mahomes about, like, look,
you know you now you realize you have a window
of opportunity. How can you maximize it? And of course
everyone knows if Patrick Mahomes gets hurt Kansas City, you know,
they changed dramatically instantly. So maybe that's what what Mahomes

(28:29):
is focusing on here, is he gets up up in
it later in his career.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
Let's see, this is not a good email, Matt writes in,
and I don't know where he's from. Eric wouldn't like that.
Were you guys talking about wins QB Wins? Yeah, I
don't know why, but a couple of people are talking
about eight wins, and he says eight wins would suck.
It doesn't matter anymore that they won four games in

(28:54):
twenty three and twenty four than them winning eight and
twenty two and seven and twenty All those years sucked.
How it looks is what matters, and if May is
decent and the defense doesn't suck, they'll win ten. Eight
wins sounds good, but every eight win team has either
a bad quarterback play or bad defense, neither of which
should be acceptable. Ten wins sounds like a stretch, but

(29:16):
it's surprisingly easy to win ten in the NFL. A
top twenty defense and just a decent quarterback play from
May should be enough. I predict everyone's saying eight wins
is good enough will be saying, yeah, that was absolutely true,
but I'm disappointed. The defense looks so bad and I
didn't expect that in December.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
Yeah, I hear what he's saying. I mean, I of
course we always say on the show all the time.
You got to see what it actually looks like. You know,
is there an eight win season that you're like, yeah,
but they did it without Harold Landry or you know,
Spilllane went down in Week three.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
And the defense, there's gonna be a reason why you're
about five hundred, right, yeah, right, So if maybe a
key injury didn't happen, then yeah, they maybe would have
been a ten win team.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
I mean I kind of agree though. I think you
see almost every year a team bounces back because they
have a good offseason, they maybe get some guys back healthy,
and then they're playing a last play schedule. And if
you look at the Patriots schedule this year, and you know, look,
there's gonna be some battles, no question. I mean, like
you look at that start with how Pittsburgh looks now
with some of the talent that they've gotten, that every

(30:19):
game is going to be a battle for that team.
But you know, would it be shocking to see them
with that schedule and if they stay healthy to get
the ten moons? I don't think it will. But this
is part of the excitement is wanting to see what
it looks like.

Speaker 10 (30:29):
You know.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
That's like, well, tell me, tell me the stories, like
all the different narratives that we're following. It's it's just
kind of before the season, just to put it in
a box and be like nine wins. That's what it
was like. Just seems so surface level that there's gonna
be so much going on that that's going to contribute.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
Yeah, either way, let's go to Nate, who is in Connecticut.
What's up, Nate? How you doing?

Speaker 6 (30:54):
I'm doing good?

Speaker 1 (30:55):
How you go doing good?

Speaker 10 (30:57):
My question for you is about Collevi and Chase. Sorry
if I whatchered the name a bit, but he recently
out spotted in Las Vegas training with Max Crosby and
it was like a Twitter quote that he was very
motivated going into the season. How do you guys think
he is going to perform as like a free agency

(31:18):
signing for the team.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
Thanks chatter, Okay, thanks Nate.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
Kylevons as he told us, Yeah, I think he's a
key player. I mean, in the perfect world, he's a
designated pass rusher, somewhat like he was last year. We
had him on the show and asked him about he
had five sacks last year one season, which was his
total after being a first round pick with the Jaguars,
and he said, well, it's easier when you're going across
from Max Crosby and he's drawing all that attention. So

(31:44):
I think the question for me lies within just is
key On White good enough on early downs that he
can kind of bookend with Harold Landry or is he
not quite there yet and they need to play Chase
On a little bit earlier in downs and you know,
have him on as a first and second. I don't
think that that's the best use of him. I think
ideally he's your third down. Well hopefully, yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
You get him, you get other teams into those have
to pass situation.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
And then and then just let him and unleash him.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
You know, you young fans may not remember Jarvis Green.
You know, he was no superstar by any means, but
he was a really really effective situational pass rusher for
this Teamah.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
Absolutely, you know. But I mean, you know, along those
lines in the nine season when Seymour goes and then
Jarvis Green has to step in to be an early
down guy, not quite as effective. And I feel similarly
with Chase On. I think a lot of it depends
on you know, the two rookies. Can somebody emerge and
bring some juice as well on third down? So those guys,

(32:44):
there's there's no question marks for sure, And I would
put health at the top of it. When you have
some veteran players like Landry and Chase On need those
guys to stay healthy. You need key On White to
take a step forward, and then I think they'll have
they'll have enough on defense, But set up before I
think next year that's the position to really probably fil
becus On of course, number one receiver. You're always on
the look up for those. But get into the draft.

(33:04):
What do the edge guys look like? Is there the
kind of guy that we could really build around all
coming off the edge?

Speaker 10 (33:10):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (33:11):
Anthony's in Seattle? Hey, Anthony, Hey, what's up fraying with
up my people? Anthony?

Speaker 6 (33:16):
Hey, I got a bone to pick with you guys.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
Okay, pick it all right.

Speaker 6 (33:21):
So when a player comes into the studio to join
the show, I would think that you guys would use
that as an opportunity to be rude and disrespectful. Why
does the guys say the type of thing that improves
your standing with the team and make more players want
to come and join the show. So I don't get why.
You know, Pop Douglas a young, productive, why receiver this
team and I love Pop Douglas would have been too

(33:43):
much to ask for, Like somebody to stand up and
I don't know, spit in the guy's face or something
up at at bare minimum of fistfight. Right, Obviously, obviously
I'm kidding those of you who first time listeners out there.
The PU crew does not disrespect the players. Hey, one
quick thing, I phone, it's a rules thing, off season things.

(34:03):
What do you guys think of I know you guys
have talked about on the show in the past. We
all kind of get a little bit annoyed at the
defensive the illegal contact or the defensive holding five yard
penalty automatic first down thing, And I always thought, what
if they did if they changed that to a not
automatic first down, but a ten yard penalty, because then

(34:26):
what Because I think the best rule changes are the
ones that don't really change the game in the bulk
of it, Like, it doesn't really change what's happening on
the field except for the few situations where you would
like for it to be different. And so it's not
necessarily like a third and seven a third and six,
which are a lot more common. It's usually less than
ten yards than a third down anyways, So ten yard
pillalty is going to give you the first down, but
it's the third. You know when you got to you

(34:47):
gotta sack on first down. You know it's the second
and seventeen, you know, then it's third and fourteen, third
and thirteen, and then like a sometimes tickie pack, you know,
holding or something with a five yard penalties. That's gonna
like white, I felt the good defensive play that the
defense made, you know what I mean, And so I
would like to be you know, when the third and
fourteen come up? Okay, holding or illegal contact. Now it's

(35:10):
third and four.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
Yeah, but aren't you gonna aren't you gonna coach that? Like, hey,
if it's third and fourteen, third and whatever over ten yards. Hey,
if you think you're beat hold them, it's only ten yards.

Speaker 6 (35:21):
But then well then why would you Now you're putting
yourself in a third and four as opposed to.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
Do, but at least you at least you have another
chance to live. At least you have another third down
play instead of you get beat and it's a first down. Yeah,
I mean, no, I hear what you're saying. I've heard
some other people have said the same idea. Make it
a ten yard penalty instead of an automatic first down.
But that's the precise reason why it is an automatic

(35:47):
first down is to decentivize teams from using that as
a crutch when you get beat. And it's the same
thing with past interference. You know, in college it's a
fifteen yard pen in the pros, it's a spot foul
in a first down because they don't want guys dragging
players down when they get beat. They want to take

(36:09):
that away. They want to reward the player who does
the beating. They want to reward the player who got
open instead of you know, having an out for someone,
you know, a on a really long play to just
tackle the guy. And it's a fifteen yard penalty. And
I would coach that, Yeah, I would say, don't you know.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
Especially in the hail marys.

Speaker 7 (36:30):
Yeah, big plays.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
Yes, it's the big hal Mary.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
You think he's gonna catch it right right, Just it's
fifteen yards. Okay, we'll we'll live to play another down
instead of getting toasted like that. So I get the
reasoning for the way the rules are now. I also
understand the frustration. Oh man, you know, you know he
held the guy and like otherwise it was you know,

(36:55):
could it have been called yeah? But did it have
to be called no? Especially when it's against your team,
I understand, but I hesitate to change the rule. I
really do.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
Yeah, I mean, there's unintended consequences I think for a
lot of these rule changes, and that's I mean, you
laid it out perfectly with that, because that's I mean,
that seems like an easy one, and especially when you're
just so frustrated, when you know someone like Joe Flacco
just chucks a ball down the air like forty yards
and it's like not even really that close. The guy
didn't really have a chance, but well there's a flag
and it's just that now it's a forty yard play. Yeah,

(37:26):
I mean, I mean we saw the Patriots take advantage
of it with Brandon Cooks even too. You know, having
a guy that you can get downfield and you know
if he's not going to catch it, he might draw
a p I too.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
Now, Now, what I do think they should do is
make every call, including those reviewable.

Speaker 6 (37:40):
Now.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
I know it's a lot more tough to say, Okay,
did that play keep him from catching the ball. It's
a little bit more subjective, but I do think every
like Belichick, agrees every call should be reviewable. That doesn't
mean you increase the number of reviewable you know, reviews
that anyone team has. You know, if you if you

(38:02):
use it, you lose it if you're wrong, regardless, so
you don't get any more reviews. But every play, every
flag should be reviewable in my opinion.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
Yeah, you know, it's a good, long running argument. Paul's
against that, right, Yeah, he remember him being like he
just thinks, oh, is this too many reviews?

Speaker 7 (38:21):
Enough stoppage already?

Speaker 2 (38:22):
This doesn't increase that. It's still the same amount of reviews.

Speaker 7 (38:26):
For each team, and there's already so much stoppage of
play with TV timeouts and everything they stopped the game for.
So I don't know, I don't think it would make
that much of a differ.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
Jarring though, if you know, big call is made, you
go to a commercial, then you come back and they're
like and while you're a break, the call is but
overturned and that didn't happen anymore, you know, like those
like that's how you'd like it to work. We're not like, oh,
we got to take a whole time out to see this,
Like it just kind of happens on the fly, right,
like someone's reviewing it as it's happening. That kind of
thing rather than official timeout that.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Well, it can be both, you know, like you know,
you can have assistance from New York or wherever. But
I think the sideline should be able to you know,
call a review for any play.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
That Nikhil Harry won against the Sheiefs, remember that where
he stepped out of bounds and they called him out
of bounds and he didn't step out of bounds. I
think his whole career could have been different.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
I doubt that, but that's a good example. There was
clear evidence that you know, he had scored. Yeah, so
I don't know. I believe like if you've got the technology,
use it too and have smart people using the technology,
don't have dummies using the technology.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
Well, like I said, I've been watching Wimbledon and now
they have you know, I think it's funny how like
there'll be a close call and then and then like
as the person's walking back to set up to serve,
it's like a giant screen right in front of him
with like the ball just out. You know, it's kind
of like rubbing it in, making you feel worse about it.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
But yeah, the one thing I wonder about, you know,
that technology is is there a possibility that the calibration
could be.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
Yeah, no, I know, I think about it all the time.
Is it really like that's that exactly?

Speaker 2 (39:59):
Because what you you know, when they represent it graphically,
it's not an actual video, it's it's a representation of
what the call was. So of course that's always going
to be in line with the initial call. So I
just wonder about the calibration. But I think, like I've
said before, in baseball, balls and strikes should be automated.
There's no reason not to. The technology is there. I

(40:21):
know they're going to institute this challenge thing, which I
think is ridiculous. Have every ball and strike be automated.
And that doesn't mean someone loses their job. You still
need the umph infractions for box for calls that to play,
for all that other stuff, you know, whether or not
he got hit by a pitch or something. But balls
and strikes should be automated. The technology is there, and

(40:42):
I think it'd be so much better for the game. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (40:46):
Both, it's such a thing that's so black and white too,
Like it's not like anything up to interpretation.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
There's a strike zone, right, well, every player has a
different strike zone and you get measured before the season
and when Alex comes up to the play, her strike
zone is punched in and there we go.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
Yeah, yeah, just no more yelling at umps and yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
And I think like a lot of people said, oh,
hitting's gonna go down, well no, I think players are
now going to have to swing more, They're gonna have
to protect the plate more, They're gonna have to be
more aggressive. I think that's good. I think that's a
good thing. Anyway, we're crossing sports here. Michelle, who loves
it when I call her Salata, is writing in She

(41:31):
says she has zero expectations on wins. I'm much more
interested in how it looks. Are they playing better? Is
may taking steps forward? How's the coaching? Can they grasp
McDaniel's offense? However, I feel optimistic about Vrabel feels like
he's coaching with a purpose and a plan, and I
haven't felt that since Brady left, because honestly, Bills last

(41:52):
years weren't all that and a bag of chips either.

Speaker 7 (41:55):
Yeah, it's a very reasonable logical balance take.

Speaker 5 (41:59):
You know.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
That's and that gets I think to the heart of
why I'm kind of excited, because you know, twenty twenty
was COVID and yes, Bill was here, but even he said,
we're kind of resetting this year. Twenty one, there was
a little juice the free agency class drafting Mac Jones,
even though it didn't work out. At the time, it
felt like, hey, we're taking a swing on a first
round quarterback, and this is what you have to do

(42:19):
if you want to get out the out of the basement.
But I get what Shilata is saying about, you know,
I mean, I think there were just always questions now
other than twenty one where it felt like maybe they're
back if Mac hits, and even going into twenty two
you felt a little bit like maybe they did have
had the ammunition to get back to that point. But

(42:39):
this this year feels unique to me.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
Just as far as I was talking to somebody, oh,
I won't mention on the inside, and they they are very,
very excited about this season. Yeah, yeah, I mean.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
Part of it too is just that I really feel
this is going to be a tough team, Like it's
just it's going to be a team that plays really
hard and it's just going to be fun to roof for,
especially on the defensive side of the ball, where you
know you've got players who can really get after quarterbacks
and really make guys uncomfortable, and you know, those things.
To me, I mean that's the different. I mean, twenty
nineteen was one of the greatest Patriots defenses of all time.

(43:16):
So I've seen good defense around here in my in
my turn, but I think this defense is going to
be a little bit different and exciting to watch, you know, fun,
fun to watch them play the intense. You just watch
Robert Spilling run onto the field for practice and you're like, oh, boy,
like this guy, he's ready to go. And that was
like OTA's I can only imagine what it's going to
be like, you know, joint practices, which just writing the previews,

(43:36):
I'm like, man, you have to see Gonzales versus Justin
Jefferson in practice, like you know, Terry McLaurin and Gonzalez
in practice. Let's go like one on one reps. Maybe
like the best wide receiver in the league maybe versus
one of the best cornerbacks in the league. Those those
kinds of things are going to be really excited to watch.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
Yep, Justin writes in and he's talking about people that
we have in guests in studio, guests as well. He says,
I want to call out Jared or whatever his name
was from Thursday's show who called about Pop and making
a clown of himself. Hey, Bud, the guys aren't going
to sit and talk trash to Pop's face when they're
having him on for a fun player interview. Also, none

(44:14):
of the guys have ever said Pop will not make
the roster or shouldn't be on the roster. In the end,
instead of hanging up your call like a baby back bitch,
maybe you should listen to the PU crew and hear
them out instead of being so stubborn and realize that
Greg Bdard isn't on this podcast. Have a great day.

Speaker 10 (44:31):
So there you go.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
So two shots at that call. Yeah, yeah, I called it.
Bother me a little bit just because I really like
Pop Douglas. I mean, I don't think you're wrong to question,
you know, if he's got the size to hold up
a high volume on the slot, but you know, the
speculation that he might not be on the team, Like
that's the farthest thing from my mind, especially after watching
him in OTAs. And I mean I think there was

(44:53):
a little question of is he, you know, the kind
of guy that Josh loves and wants to feed the ball,
but it looked like it no tas And we've just been,
like I said on this show on Thursday, we've been
so desperate for wide receivers. This is like the one
guy that they've drafted, that they hid on, that's contributed,
that had a good year last year, who's a great
personality in the locker room, and somehow we want him gone.
I'm like, I don't get I don't get that jump.

(45:14):
I mean, I'm excited to have that guy on the
team and he's gonna have a.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
Good I think he's a weapon with the ball in
his hand. I really do. I think, you know, especially
up to last year, he was the one guy where
you would you could say he's dynamics.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
A hard cover. He's a hard man, demand cover and
that's such a big point. People call in and none
of our guys can get off coverage. You know, he's
one guy that can get off coverage. They might have
to protect him and scheme him a little bit, but
you know, no player is perfect.

Speaker 7 (45:42):
I think Anthony said too. He was kind of just
kidding like.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
Oh no, no, Anthony was okay. Anthony was making fun
of that got.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
It, And honestly, it kind of felt like somebody who
knew Pop tugs maybe a little bit, was standing up
for their guy a little bit. Maybe, I don't know.
That's just to me, it was like it seemed a
little bit out of left field, right field.

Speaker 7 (46:01):
Yeah, I feel like we've been unanimously positive about Pop.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
I know I've said on the show like it was
more so, hey, if you're gonna say that here, why
don't you say it when he's on the show and
say it to his face and like say.

Speaker 7 (46:12):
What yeah, and our pr staff that's sitting outside the
window would just love to see that. I'm sure.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
But but yeah, even if, like even if somebody here
did think like Pop was on the bubble, you're not
gonna get him on the show and say now, now, Pop,
you're probably on the bubble. You know, that's not why
he's here.

Speaker 7 (46:29):
He's also just like such a little puppy of a guy,
Like he's so impossible to hate. He's so unintentionally funny
and just I don't know, and he can play and
you see raybel light up when he talks about him.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
You know, no, he does.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
He's great.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
But he can play. He's not a number one like everything,
hold on. But he's a very good player and a
player that I think in a role they're gonna need
this year. I don't know how much how many catches
he's gonna have, but you watch the guy play.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
He's The thing is like, if you call a player
a number three or a number four receiver, depending on
the team, it can be a compliment or not a
good thing. If you've got bad offense and you know
your your number one receiver should be a number three receiver,
well then your number four receiver probably isn't that good. Yeah,

(47:13):
you know, But if you're on a good team, a
high productive offense, your fourth receiver receiver is probably pretty
productive totally.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
You know.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
So context means everything.

Speaker 7 (47:24):
And to Mike's point, just how many receivers in the
last ten to fifteen years have we drafted, developed and
have been productive for us?

Speaker 2 (47:31):
Right?

Speaker 1 (47:31):
He stands alone. I mean he talks to some undrafted guys.
But that's where I think Josh comes in, you know,
I think that's what's exciting. We give Drake May and
some of these guys a little bit of a pass
last year because of the situation on offense. We had
a lot of new coaches doing it for the first time,
so I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that you
might see a jump from a lot of these guys
this year. I mean, you're certainly hoping for it with

(47:52):
Drake May that he's going to take to Josh McDaniel's
system and you know, really be able to run that
the way it needs to be run. And I I
think Pop Dog was gonna be a big part of
this year.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
Todd and Garner says sorry to Paul since I missed
the Thursday, June twenty sixth show where he and Evan
had already answered my question. That was the day my
dad passed. Sorry about that, and sorry to Cursh. I
had to drop my call on Thursday because my brother
wrote the obituary using chat GPT and I had to
rework the entire damn thing. Wow, that's yeah, there's.

Speaker 7 (48:28):
A lot of things that you can outsource to chat GPT,
like I don't know.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
About a bit.

Speaker 10 (48:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
Yeah, it's one of my new books, an AI book
just about the future of AI and how to use it.
And yeah, a lot of mistakes. You gotta be very
careful if you're gonna lean on that thing.

Speaker 7 (48:43):
But we saw it on this show. Remember Paul was
fact checking in about like I think we were looking
up draft classes and chat GPT said this is the
best draft class and then it listed all the players in.
One of those players we didn't even drop, So I.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
Had to school them on this podcast. Remember that whole exchange. AnyWho,
With respect to the main thing that you that has
you looking forward to the next season, what has me
seeing may is McDaniel's offense. This is the litmus test
for me to see just how high the ceiling will
be for Drake. Can he utilize the instruction and opportunities

(49:16):
that Josh will give him? If yes, I see the
playoffs this year?

Speaker 1 (49:21):
Yeah, oh, I mean it's it's I think Josh's offense
is going to give Drake a chance to reach his potential,
whatever that might be. There's gonna be more on him
this year. Evin talks about making calls at the line,
I mean mentally, He's there's going to be a greater
load on him mentally, And that's why my big thing
is can he execute at the end of games when
the game is on the line, So, you know, is

(49:44):
that mental load he's got to deal with over the
course of the game. Is that going to wear him out?
Is he going to be sharp at the end? You know,
these are the questions I think that are really going
to come to the forefront this year with Drake May
if he's going to be the guy and not just
you know, one of these guys who got winsy games
and maybe you flirt with the playoffs, but really is
a tough out for any team that he.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
Plays Travis and West Virginia other than the ability we
were talking about kickers earlier, Other than the ability to
make an occasional tackle, is it really necessary for our
kicker to be a football player and a raw, raw guy.
Much like the incessant talker Kendrick Bourne's spunky personality, Alex
seems to get caught up in these meaningless things.

Speaker 7 (50:25):
I think your mentality, in a position like that where
it's so much of it is mental, is very important.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
It's exactly what Jeremy Springer said this spring when we
asked him about finding the new kicker, and He's like,
I don't just want a kicker, I want a football guy.
I want a guy who fits in with the locker room.
You know, I don't think anybody wants to look over
at their kicker and see a nerd, you know, just
just to see like, oh god, here we go the nerds, you.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
Know, Like you want a guy unless he can kick
seventy yard fields.

Speaker 7 (50:52):
It's such a mental position, like it's it's like what
they say about golf, like the game's played between your
two ears. I think to an extent, kickings kind of
like that too.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
I mean, I think there's a lot of carryover though
for as much as it might seem like kind of meaningless,
that always a football guy, like I do think a
guy like ada Vini Terry is a football guy, and
the other players respect that, and there's a confidence around
your special teams that goes with that kind of player.
You can't always manufacture what a player's personality is going
to be, but if you have to pick, you want

(51:24):
a guy who can tackle herschel Walker and then walk
off the field and be like, or kicker, just tackle
herschel Walker. That means a lot to these guys who
obviously have much more physical challenge.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
Well, and I think being one of the guys helps
you when you do miss that kick right exactly.

Speaker 7 (51:39):
If your guys actually if your teammates actually like you. Like,
that's some things his coaches told me. He's just as
likely to be best friends with the starting linebacker as
he is the long snapper. And like you said, you
can get isolated really quickly. It's a very lonely position
at kicker. So much is contingent on how you perform.
So if your guys actually like you and they're behind

(51:59):
you and they believe in you, that just only takes
your confidence even higher. But I know it's meaningless.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
No, it's lonely for everybody except the kicker, the punch
and the long snappers, the little trio and they walk
out with their bag.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
And Travis would also like to point out Fred that
you began taking listener input today at twelve twenty eight.
Mike and Paul are under the false impression that the
first hour of the show is meant to be recital
of their own opinions, and the listeners aren't invited for the.

Speaker 7 (52:27):
First hour.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
To do thirty But we have so much to talk about.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
Well, yeah, I think it all depends on what the
topics of the day are. Sometimes we don't take input
until like an hour in.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
You know, it just depends on what's going to days?
When I mean it's going, but I when I when
I have the honors to sitting in the host chair,
it's I feel the general rule of thumbus try to
get at least a half hour, set the table in
maybe forty five minutes, and then and then you then
you go to the calls and emails. Thank you, Travis,
I appreciate you calling that out. That's a that's well played.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
Kyle writes in from Pembroke. With training camp coming, what
position battles are you most looking forward to? What wide
receiver versus cornerback battle? What O line versus D line battle?
I guess you're talking about individual.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
Matchups, sure, you know, like Chase on Versuill Cambell. I mean,
we'll Campbell going against some of the veteran EDG dressers.
See how how that kind of holds out.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
Because they do. You know, when they break off into
like the different positional units. We call it the mono
wamano drill. When you really have live offense versus defense
and they go one on one and they just rotate
and you really do get a good sense of who's
doing well in that one. It's they're they're going full speed.

(53:41):
It's not like, you know, oh keep them up, you know,
no tackling. These linemen are going at it in those drills.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
Those are the good ones to watch. I think the
wide receiver verse, cornerback and tight end and running back
versus linebacker. Those it's really hard on the defenders. So
as much as I'd love to say, oh, Stefan Diggs
vers Christian Gonzalez, which yeah, definitely like like to see,
but Christian Gazalez is Stefan Digs has the whole field
to work with and Christian Gonzalez is trying to do
his thing. So I put it more on some of

(54:10):
the joint practices like I mentioned with Justin Jefferson and
that receiving core Terner McLaurin in the Washington Receiving Corps,
because I think, yes, it's still hard for the defenders
in those, but it's competitive and the players want to win.
Talked a lot about when I was in Vegas and
DeVante Adams just putting on an absolute clinic in those.

(54:30):
Even though it's hard on the defensive backs, you could
still just tell that DeVante Adams was a class apart.
So it'd be cool to see Stefan Diggs if he's
starting to get healthy, starting to toast some guys and
quick stops and just totally dust them. But all that
one on one stuff you gotta read with a grand salt.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
Now you do. But you know, like you said, when
you get a guy like DeVante Adams, you can tell,
ye can tell, Yeah, well it was just and diversely.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
If throttling up and down his speed.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
You know, if Carlton Davis has a good day and
it's against Justin Jefferson and great, great, that does tell
you something because in those joint practices, the guys are
out to impress, Like there's kind of like a pride
thing and ego thing going on. So and that's why
there's a lot of skirmishes during joint practices as well,
Like guys are kind of going a little harder than

(55:22):
they're supposed to because you won't. You don't want to
get shown up. You don't want to be the guy
that gets burned.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
There's good intensity in those. Maybe we talked about all
the fights in Green Bay a couple of years ago.
They couldn't even get a playoff on day two. But
I think Christian Gonzalez is such a fun watch in
these practices, just because it's all about his athleticism. You know,
he's just so quick, and it's just even if he's
giving up the catch, you just see how smooth he
is transitioning. And you know, a guy like Carlton Davis,

(55:49):
physicality is going to be a huge part of his game,
and so he's going to try to get his hands
on guys from the get go, and you know then
if he gets beat off the line, he probably in
real football has safety help. So so it's it's that
stuff that you have to consider. But Gonzalez, you could
just watch him like warm up and you're like, that
got smooth.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
Dylan writes in do you believe Jalen Polk and Javon
Baker are on the outside looking in when it comes
to making the fifty three man roster? No, I don't
I think that. I think it's wide open. I don't
think there's like a set five or six wide receivers
that are like they've got the upper hand. I don't

(56:26):
I think they have it, you know, other than Diggs obviously,
you know I think that uh Digs and probably what's
Kyle's Kyle Williams. I think he's a lot being a
second round pick this year. I think everybody is on
even footing. I think I don't think there's anyone on

(56:49):
the outside looking in, and I don't think there's anyone
that has an inside track other than those two.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
Yeah, I'd say I'm probably gonna be on Mount Polk
this summer. I'm gonna get get up there and I'm
gonna be the Jalen Polk defender. Know Evid and Paul
aren't very high on him. We've had some of those conversations,
but I'm going to say that this coaching staff gets
him back on track and he looks more like the
player we saw all last summer in camp. He's still
flirting with some of these top groups. When we saw OTAs,

(57:16):
he's still working back from injury, so he wasn't highly involved,
but he was still flirting with those groups, whereas Javon
Baker feels like he's still kind of battling it out
on the lower level. So I think Javon Baker really
needs to start to pop and starts to string things together.
He's a little bit on the outside looking at I'd
say for me, at least at this point, But I
really like Jalen Polk, and I just I'm gonna be

(57:37):
one of his believers this year and there probably won't
be a lot, but put me in his camp.

Speaker 7 (57:41):
Okay, Polk was down to training with the whole group
and what seems like North Carolina.

Speaker 1 (57:47):
I just think it's not a mistake that he comes
out of college and comes into camp and looks like
he knows what he's doing and is productive and is
catching the ball, and then things start to go sideways
for a rookie, and I think that this happens, I
don't know, you have the most experienced head coaching staff
last year to break him out of that funk and
to really know when this starts happening to a player,

(58:08):
how do I fix it right? You know, jirob Meyo,
alexand Pelt new guys that hadn't really gone through that.
But I just I have hope that as you get
him back to the confidence that he clearly had in
college and brought with him into training camp. When again
they wrap mini camp last year, the last play of
mini camp was was Drake hitting Jalen Polk for a

(58:29):
touchdown celebration. You know, got to have it. Plays hits
him for a touchdown and that was the end of
spring practices last year. In twenty twenty four, there's something
there to me. And again I respect Paul and Evan
that they don't really see it, and they don't know
if he's got the speed to compete. But I think
he's got the size, the toughness in the hands that
get him back on track, get him confident again that

(58:50):
he can contribute to this group. And because he's a
unique player, I think within this big position group, he
has unique size and I think he could really be
a physical change specific set of sills where it's a
little bit like Pop Douglas, where it's a guy that
I'm gonna look to in key moments to make big plays.
And I know that's asking a lot for a player
who really had a disappointing rookie year, but mount Polk here,

(59:12):
I am.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
Okay, all right, there you go. Just make sure you
say that when he's in the studio.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
Well, not these two guys, though they don't like you
at all.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
Nick in New York City, I do agree with Alex
regarding kickers, but I think the kicker being a good
teammate is a bonus. I would compare kicking to surgeons.
I want the person that cuts me up and puts
me back together while I'm asleep to operate flawlessly every time.
If they're nice and treat me like a human when
I'm recovering, that's a bonus, super welcome to have the

(59:43):
nice person. But in the end, not the reason I
choose the surgeon, Okay.

Speaker 7 (59:48):
And it's not like I said that was the only
thing that's important to him being successful and the biggest predictor.
It was just kind of giving context to his character,
you know. And again we're talking about a kicker who
was almost entirely perfect throughout his entire college career. We
already know that he's super accurate and super precise. Like
the rest is just bonus in context.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
All Right, you keep sticking up for those kickers. I
will all right, foods here, We'll take a break when
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Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
With the fourth pick in the twenty twenty five NFL Drive.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
The New England Patriots like Will Campbell tackle LSU.

Speaker 13 (01:02:33):
Tackle, Yeah, that's where you need to look. He said
that he was his student was gonna be tight too.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
I can tell you I think Drake May's going to
be happy with him.

Speaker 8 (01:02:41):
Yeah, there's no doubt about him.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
He won't be an apple in the offensive wine room.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
And that's exactly what New England needs.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
That was that block you got me on right here?

Speaker 14 (01:02:52):
Tony back, Hey man, you could have gone down there
and got here, got it for three hours?

Speaker 13 (01:03:11):
What's behind that smile?

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
Man?

Speaker 15 (01:03:13):
Just all the hard work.

Speaker 7 (01:03:20):
Congratulations.

Speaker 5 (01:03:26):
I'm gonna fight and die to protect them with everything
I got.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
Tell me the consequence we're living with confidence.

Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
We already hit, already paid the price, we already took,
the risks, we already missed.

Speaker 6 (01:03:38):
Boy.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
Look at this Who could have ever did it better?

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
We on a whole different league, were on a whole
different level.

Speaker 5 (01:03:49):
Kyle Williams text man. He said, not bad for a
short armed cat out of Monroe, Louisiana. Another to.

Speaker 13 (01:04:01):
Be a long way from the boothway for some thang.

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I hate looking wo We'll enjoy your day to day's
go fastjoy every minute, my buddy fit. Thank y'all for
coming out. I wish i'd get over there, but what
about tell alright, let's.

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
Go, let's do it.

Speaker 5 (01:04:24):
I'm excited, Thank y'all for coming out. It wasn't it
wasn't the champion. It was like this quarterfinal game and
I had a pulled growing. We're playing a team out
of laugh Yette. We were losing at halftime, and I
just couldn't just sit there.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
What's that said? Looking at New England Will Campbell?

Speaker 5 (01:04:48):
That sweet?

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
Uh huh, that's nice.

Speaker 13 (01:04:51):
Yeah, that's cool.

Speaker 10 (01:04:54):
And uh.

Speaker 13 (01:04:57):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:04:58):
The other team didn't even have a locker and I
didn't even have all my stuff. I just had my pads, pants, cleats.
I think I wore ankle socks with like high top
cleats and I got butt naked under the stadium because
they didn't have a locker room. I went out there

(01:05:19):
and played. We ended up winning.

Speaker 7 (01:05:21):
Uh.

Speaker 13 (01:05:22):
It was cool just to be able to do that
for my guys.

Speaker 5 (01:05:26):
I I was willing to risk an injury for them
just because we had been through so much and I
grew up with all of them, so it been the
loup for me.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
But let mess it it.

Speaker 13 (01:05:42):
Bro stop.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
Him.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
I cut my bangs, cut his own hair.

Speaker 13 (01:05:52):
Why did you do that? Just for fun?

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
Boy?

Speaker 5 (01:05:59):
I think we had like family pictures the next day too.

Speaker 13 (01:06:03):
It was a start while already.

Speaker 5 (01:06:09):
I guess since the last time I did this, I
was like coming in. It's like an interview.

Speaker 13 (01:06:15):
Over with now. So appreciate you, absolutely, I appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (01:06:29):
Thank you. What's going on?

Speaker 10 (01:06:33):
What up?

Speaker 5 (01:06:37):
What's going on?

Speaker 13 (01:06:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:06:39):
I did going on.

Speaker 13 (01:06:41):
I appreciate you.

Speaker 15 (01:06:42):
From the start. He was a heralded player from his
freshman year on and just just a guy we kept
an eye on for a number of years. The more
work you do in his character, the past, protection of
the run, blocking the guy, the leadership, all that kind
of stuff just you know, made him the right pick
for us at that time.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
You had no chance until lunch, and then lunch still
to deal car.

Speaker 13 (01:07:04):
That's I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
But this was a very very easy pick for us.
And he's a leader.

Speaker 14 (01:07:10):
He's durable, he's physical, dependable, you know, accountable, he was
quick studying.

Speaker 13 (01:07:16):
Yeah, he'd you get for our beats balancing.

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
This team is important.

Speaker 14 (01:07:22):
This team will be important to him, and so that
was a large factor in how we came to be
able to pick Kevin.

Speaker 1 (01:07:28):
So you look like a professor at Boston College.

Speaker 5 (01:07:35):
Whenever I got the call, honestly, I was sitting there
and see I was waiting on it. I kind of
had a feel and it was coming and I was
just super thankful. So nice to meet you too. My
message him is I just wanted to be here. That's
where I wanted to be, and I just try to

(01:07:55):
put myself in the best position possible to make that up.

Speaker 2 (01:08:05):
The way they practiced, a lot of effort to finish.

Speaker 14 (01:08:08):
Great teams go out to practice at different piece. That's
just what we're gonna do because that's the only way
that our identity.

Speaker 9 (01:08:12):
Can take off.

Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
This is professional football. This is your job. You're not
on scholarship, you don't get a red ser year.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
The better be a right.

Speaker 6 (01:08:23):
You're not tough.

Speaker 7 (01:08:25):
We have our complain this way.

Speaker 13 (01:08:27):
You mean you can't continue statement?

Speaker 14 (01:08:28):
You got like two steps, decided to get out good.

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
That kind of frills big.

Speaker 10 (01:08:34):
Then God go work like the tip go rep get off.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
Got it?

Speaker 4 (01:08:38):
We can remember it, but we can also work together.

Speaker 13 (01:08:42):
All right, big weekend, my son turns twenty one. We're
in this business to win and to help players improve.

Speaker 1 (01:08:52):
But think that they embraced the change.

Speaker 13 (01:08:55):
I would have fit with two hunts.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
I feel like I'm blessed to do this, so I
wake up with that that.

Speaker 5 (01:08:59):
Grind if you shot them something you.

Speaker 7 (01:09:02):
Think about.

Speaker 13 (01:09:08):
And now great moments in.

Speaker 7 (01:09:12):
History.

Speaker 16 (01:09:13):
Well it used to be a gold long time ago,
the golden goal. Yeah, but then they decided, like the NFL,
to make it fair. Let both teams have possession. The
equivalent thereof no.

Speaker 3 (01:09:23):
No, no, I mean everybody has the same chance to
get the ball right.

Speaker 16 (01:09:26):
No, no, you didn't let me finish, I said, the
equivalent of letting both teams have possession in the in
the soccer.

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
World does not.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
I don't think that's the equivalent. Okay, it isn't.

Speaker 3 (01:09:36):
I'm glad Fred agrees with me, because that's the non
soccer eyes it doesn't make any.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
Sense to me.

Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
It is a golden goal.

Speaker 16 (01:09:42):
Was the equivalent of the old days in the NFL,
where the first team that scored one.

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
But football is a different sport.

Speaker 3 (01:09:47):
It's a football, only one team had the ball, only
one team could score.

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
It's not a soccer.

Speaker 1 (01:09:52):
Both teams have the same chance to have the ball.

Speaker 16 (01:09:54):
You can possess the ball, yes, but they wanted to
just let there be a you know, a set amount
of time for them.

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
To play the X.

Speaker 5 (01:10:01):
Well, I don't do that in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
That's fine.

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
They don't play a set amount of time.

Speaker 16 (01:10:05):
No, but they do have a ten minute you know.
If you don't after ten minutes, they call it a tie, right,
but it does in this case, you couldn't have a
tie because it's a playoff.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
It's not the same area. I know what you're trying
to say. But in soccer, no matter what had been
the equivalent, and it was the same.

Speaker 16 (01:10:21):
I want to already arguing now I want to look
up the same and equivalent.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
But anyway, anyway, what if I walked into revolution unfiltered?
That's another great moment from.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
All right? Whoa back here in Patriots unfiltered? A five
to five. Pats five hundred is the hotline. Podcasts at
Patriots dot com is the email address. Linda writes in
She says NBC Sports Boston is reporting the off season
session took place in Tampa. Other social outlets say it

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took place outside Charlotte, North Carolina at Hoe High School.
Doesn't matter to me. What it does matter is that
it did take place. Looking forward to camp to see
the guys live, Yeah, it's good.

Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
Got like tight end camps, we got pass rusher camps.
There's like it's the thing to do now in the
off season, all these guys get together with their position
groups and trade What trade talk is that? What is
trade secrets?

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
Yeah, Christian from Virginia, right, Sin, You've talked a lot
about intro songs to hype up the crowd, But what
about movie clips? If you had to pick a clip
to be regularly shown at games, what would you choose
a movie clip?

Speaker 13 (01:11:35):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
God, and it can't be that's one. I think a
lot of people have used the uh Mel Gibson Brave
Heart one where he riles up the that's good.

Speaker 1 (01:11:49):
I mean he could probably just play the Rocky for
Training montage. That would that would work. I also said
I love Rocky too. The what are we waiting for?
When Adrian finally wakes up from the coma like? That
gets me going to But I don't know, you might
you might need the Rocky four. I think you know,
training Montage Vinceta Coola put the music on the whole deal,
the whole deal.

Speaker 2 (01:12:08):
What about Chariots of Fire when they're running on the
beach with the music.

Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
The music's good. I don't know if a bunch of
you know, English guys the beach just can't get anybody, yeah,
like full of white outfits that that was a good
uh movie. I don't know, I don't know, I think
about it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
There's probably some old World War two movies that you know,
we forget about that probably had some good.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
Talking about the patent speech at the beginning of past
Yeah yeah, nobody ever did.

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
Any Mel Gibson.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
You got the Patriot, the page.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
Patriot, Yeah, the Patriots based on my Yeah, yeah, those
are good ones. No son of a bitch ever won
a war by dying for his country. They made the
other son of bitch die for his country, right.

Speaker 1 (01:12:57):
Yeah, that's good stuff.

Speaker 7 (01:12:59):
Also Independence Day, great pump up speech.

Speaker 1 (01:13:02):
Oh yeah, Bill Pullman. Oh yeah, okay, the president, this
is our Independence Day. It'll be funny if you just
do like a super cut of all these little moments
of just hype speeches, you know, and then that that's the.

Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
One Norman Ray.

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
Union.

Speaker 2 (01:13:18):
Yeah that was good. That was it good. Yeah, there's
probably a million that we're not thinking of. So okay,
so that's a topic. If someone has a I can't
miss pump up movie clip Rocky Force.

Speaker 13 (01:13:32):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:32):
Yeah, something from the Godfather.

Speaker 7 (01:13:36):
Well that's what I was thinking. Like a mine include
like mob movies or like gang violence movies.

Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
Right right.

Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
I don't want to give anything.

Speaker 7 (01:13:43):
But yeah, should I say it? No, the town bank
robbery scene or the town robbing Fenway Park scene, the shootouts?

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
Yeah, what about Goodwill hunting when he gives uh, when
Beniflex gives that damon the speech?

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
Yeah, I don't know. That's it's a little bit more different.

Speaker 7 (01:14:06):
You're still here with me on the couch watching Patriots,
right right, Ford.

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
And Savannah Georgia. Alex He says, congratulations on your award.
You should have got an additional one for writing around
Evans acting. Also, you could definitely play the love interest
in a sitcom. Don't listen to whatever petty email or said.
Otherwise it just might have to be the prequel sitcom
to Father Fred Young Father Fred.

Speaker 7 (01:14:32):
Oh, I remember that's funny.

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
Thank you.

Speaker 7 (01:14:35):
It was not just my award, it was the whole team.
I was just sent on behalf of the content.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
So we won the hashtag award for goodwill, good jewels
hunting the twenty twenty four schedule release one and we
had the award. We actually have the award in he's
a hashtag at the ten o'clock meeting today.

Speaker 1 (01:14:55):
No, I wasn't. I was speaking to the Sharon Men's
Cube a little long, the Sharon's Men's Club, the Shehriffman's Club.
It doesn't think, don't exactly move very fast when you're.

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
You and Paul. Paul's got the library circuit, You've got,
you've got the Geriatric club circle.

Speaker 1 (01:15:09):
Exactly what it was, Exactly what it was. I love supporting,
you know, my fellow Sharon men. And uh, it was nice.
A lot of good questions, a lot of people local
who are invested in the team, so I think they're excited.
So you know, do you see a bunch of elderly
shared men coming to games this year. You don't know
why got them pumped up?

Speaker 2 (01:15:27):
Dudes comes in you think you're better than us.

Speaker 13 (01:15:32):
Than me.

Speaker 1 (01:15:33):
It's very nice. They were very nice, delicious.

Speaker 2 (01:15:36):
Who's this guy? It's a big shot works for the Patriots.

Speaker 1 (01:15:39):
Well, as I told you guys, as I told you
guys off there. They were just coming off a presentation
last week of like the history of toothbrushes, so hopefully history.

Speaker 7 (01:15:48):
Who's the talent booker?

Speaker 2 (01:15:49):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:15:50):
Well I talked to the talent booker and it's very
It sounds like it's toughlyft trying to find talent. So
they found me obviously. It's you know, it's it's a grind.

Speaker 2 (01:15:56):
Do they actually have a talent.

Speaker 1 (01:15:58):
It's just a guy who has to find people to
talk to them. So it was very nice, very nice,
supportive community, madge.

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
We need somebody for next Tuesday.

Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
It's pretty much it. So that's cool. So you guys
had the trophy in the ten o'clock you passed down
everybody to kiss it. Yeah, drink out of it.

Speaker 7 (01:16:14):
Theretty much pretty much, And I told the story. Fred
wasn't here, but we thought that that award we presented
much later and Ronica and I were in the bathroom
really here and now the naminees for Best Short Video,
and I was like, Ronica, we're up, we gotta go now.

Speaker 1 (01:16:32):
And I don't know, I didn't do that.

Speaker 7 (01:16:34):
I didn't think she was gonna make it. And and
uh there was a woman with us from the Golden
State Warriors in the bathroom with us. She was like, go,
go go, and then she was the first person like
we made it and accepted the word and I gave
like an out of breath speech.

Speaker 2 (01:16:48):
With you actually went up like yeah, like it's a
whole ceremony. Yeah, like they start the music because you
were going too long.

Speaker 7 (01:16:54):
No, we kept it short and sweet. We knew the deal.
But yeah, it was a great event, honestly. But I
didn't do the thank you part. I just did the
part that was like, hey, let this be your excuse
to always throw your crazy ideas out there because we
had a different idea. So I kind of told the

(01:17:16):
story about how we felt like we were leaving something
on the table and we pivoted last minute teams there, Yeah,
quite a few. Ironically, I told Douce this. We made
really good friends with the guys from the Falcons and
the Seahawks, which is pretty funny.

Speaker 2 (01:17:31):
They were very nice for the worst loss or like
what were they for? Right, Well, the.

Speaker 7 (01:17:37):
Vikings like won a ton of awards. They won a
ton of stuff. The Seahawks, I don't remember if they
want anything, and then the Falcons they won something for
this retail line they launched that's really cool called Sundays
in Atlanta, and it's kind of like a lifestyle brand
they've created out of like game Days essentially, and the

(01:18:01):
clothes isn't like overtly like look at me logos all
over it Atlanta Falcons. It's very like kind of discrete
and really cool stuff. Like they had this rugby polo
long sleeve situation and I was like, nice, I kind
of like it. I would wear that despite the tiny
Falcons lot on it. It was cool.

Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
I learned.

Speaker 7 (01:18:22):
It was a great event. I really enjoyed the conference.
There are these guys that are actually one of them
was a voice in Hey Arnold, and one was one
of the main artists on Hey Arnold, but they've now launched.
They did a deal with the Yankees and the Yes
Network and they create kids cartoon content to get kids
like baseball called Bronx Buds. So they have a goal

(01:18:44):
of kind of working with all the teams and just
getting kids into sports and building that fandom really young.
Networked with them and got their information if you want
to eating right. But yeah, Fox, that's what I told them.
I was like, I see it now, Fox Brown Friends did.

Speaker 1 (01:18:59):
Tipped a video like that back in the day.

Speaker 10 (01:19:01):
Is that?

Speaker 1 (01:19:01):
I think I heard that at some point Tip to
do like a video with like telling kids how to
play Oh, I don't know, my kids will to murder
a quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 (01:19:10):
It was just cute.

Speaker 7 (01:19:11):
It was like a little like sitcom YouTube videos where
the kids learn about like teamwork and friendship and you know,
and they have like sponsorship deal because the kids after
baseball practice they go hang out at this old Italian
guy's restaurant and they have like posting meatballs and then
Hexclad is their main sponsor, so like the guy only
cooks with hex Clad cartoon pans and it's cute. There's

(01:19:34):
like a lot of sponsorship opportunities there. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:19:36):
I wish I wish I was there because I would
have been like I actually had dabble in Falcons merchandise
as well. You guy.

Speaker 7 (01:19:47):
Well, we asked them. So what happened with that Twitter post?
You guys put out.

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
Anthony Wright's saying. I've written in several times and have
been lucky to get some of my emails read on
the show. I have taken criticism from other listeners because
I'm a Patriots fan from New York and I'm also
a Nixon Mets fan. If I remember correctly, Fred and
Mike weren't always Patriots fans. I vaguely remember hearing them
speak about this on PU. So my question is why

(01:20:16):
do some fans gate keep others and question their level
of fandom. I live and breathed the Patriots and have
for many years. My opinion is we should all embrace
all fans, Patriots, old and new, from all over the world.

Speaker 1 (01:20:31):
I agree with that I was always a Patriots fan.
I think the more of what I was saying, it
is just I didn't find growing up around here that
there were a lot of like super invested, crazy passionate
Patriot kids. Like growing up around here, there was a
big bump from the eighty five season and the Super Bowl,
and there was a lot of that was memorable. But

(01:20:51):
I think anybody in my like that I grew up
with eighties slate, eighties early nineties. I said, like, you
look at the yearbook. You don't see nobody the Patriot
stuff on. It's like, you know, all the other teams,
the forty nine ers, the Cowboys. So really it took
down until they got ninety six. It's building momentum. And
then when they you know, two thousand and one, then
I feel like everyone now I'm a super Patriots fan,
but I was always kind of a Patriots fan, but

(01:21:12):
never obsessed. I think it's hard to be obsessed when
they're pretty bad.

Speaker 2 (01:21:15):
No, I mean, even though the Red Sox didn't win
until two thousand and four, this was a baseball town.
And then when Larry Bird was here, you know, it
was a basketball town. And in the early seventies, Bobby
Orr literally was the reason why hockey rinks were built.
It became a hockey town for a little bit. Patriots
never were the number one team until Robert Kraft bought

(01:21:39):
the team in ninety four and they started winning football games. Never.
You couldn't even you know, when the blackout rule, you
couldn't even watch the games when they were at the
old Foxboro Stadium because they were always blacked out. People
that were really football fans would go to New Hampshire
and rent a motel room. I'm not kidding to watch
the game. It's the only way you can watch it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:58):
Wow, I'm playing games.

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:22:01):
I'm a big proponent of gatekit keeping, especially when it
comes to hidden gems on keep cod. But I've never
understood sports teams and leagues, especially like I think hockey
Twitter in particular is really gatekeepy, Like it's like they
don't want more people to like hockey. Why wouldn't you
want your sport to grow? I don't know, right, always

(01:22:21):
been annoying.

Speaker 2 (01:22:22):
I think I don't know who was it was. I
don't know if it was Shaughnessy or Maserati, but somebody
writing about the Red Sox back in the day when
they started getting popular again, call them pink cats. You know,
the pink cats. Yeah, and it's like, listen, they can
get I don't care what color your hat is.

Speaker 7 (01:22:40):
That's like the go to insult for women's sports fans,
like you're a pink cat fan?

Speaker 1 (01:22:44):
Yeah, I mean as a blogger when I was blogging,
I just I've found that the way that some people
watch sports annoys me, but I try not to judge
and let people do whatever they want because it's sports
and it doesn't ultimately doesn't matter. I'm much rather have
you yelling at me about sports and politics. Yeah, and
everyone allowed to root in their own way. To me,

(01:23:06):
one of the coolest experiences of my life was when
we went to Germany and you're connecting with fans from
Europe and you have something in common with these people,
maybe nothing else, but you all love the team and
there's an instant kind of like fellowship. That that to
me is the magic of sports, and especially as the
game grows internationally, to you know, to have people walking

(01:23:27):
up for us that they drove down from the UK
to Germany just to come see our stupid faces like
you know, that to me is such a cool thing
that can really just bridge differences.

Speaker 7 (01:23:37):
And it's supposed to bring people that it does.

Speaker 1 (01:23:39):
Yeah, that's so. Look, if some people want to be
endlessly furious that the Patriots haven't found a number one
receiver for the last ten years, like, go for it,
Like that's how you want to watch it. It's not
going to hurt anybody.

Speaker 10 (01:23:50):
Go for it.

Speaker 1 (01:23:50):
I don't maybe want to hear you call in every
show and tell us that they don't have an own receiver,
Like I get it. But at the same time, it's
not hurting anybody in sports, Like that's what it's for.

Speaker 7 (01:23:59):
And the gate key being team fandom, Like there's no
contest for this. You don't get a certificate or a
trophy for being big a bigger fan someone else, Like
good for you. You did dedicate more of your life
to being obsessed with the sports team. Maybe that's not
the flex you think it is.

Speaker 1 (01:24:15):
It's like I always think that, like no one will
ever take away from me the feelings that I had
watching this team over twenty years. And you can talk
about was it Bill or Tom, you know, were the
Patriots a better dynasty than this team or all that,
you know, comparative stuff that we inevitably get into. But ultimately,
for me, what matters most is that that was an
incredible twenty year run. I get to watch this team

(01:24:35):
win super Bowls, I get to watch impossible comebacks, I
got to watch the greatest quarterback of all time, and
when that team won, I felt it. I knew I
was a fan. I didn't need to prove it to anybody.
Right now, some people maybe if they're a Bandwagon fan,
they win there like great our team won, But I
don't know if they really feel it. That only you
can tell me if you really felt.

Speaker 13 (01:24:53):
What it was like.

Speaker 7 (01:24:53):
I hate the people that are like name the starting
lineup or oh yeah, you're a fan named that. Like
I had this in college once, like I'm at a
party at like the hockey house, and they're like some
just arrogant hockey players are like, oh, you want to
be a sports reporter. I heard no, no where Tom
Brady go to college. And it was like Michigan, like

(01:25:14):
one throw one better at me. But they were like
trying to like put me down. And then ironically years later,
I'm working at Nesson and surprised they didn't make it
to the NHL, and they're hitting me up to see
if I can get them a job at Nesson. So
I'm like, I remember that party my freshman year and
you're a boso.

Speaker 2 (01:25:33):
It wasn't.

Speaker 1 (01:25:37):
You put that red nose on and and school it's
the perfect And I think that's often directed at women
like name the players, like yeah, someone could do that
with their blood tap.

Speaker 2 (01:25:48):
No, listen, everyone, everyone can choose to be a fan
at the level that they want to be a fan.
You know, if you want to read the media guide
and memorize it, great, good for you. What I'd be
like Paul and have Yeah, I do get annoyed or
have gotten annoyed when, you know, even on this show,
when some of our fans will call in when things

(01:26:10):
are bad and just furious and how this team is
embarrassing them, you know, like I'm embarrassed, you know, to
be a Patio. It's like really, I mean if that's
the case, then you've probably invested a little bit too
much touch of your life, you know, you know, and
being known like this is too much of your life,

(01:26:31):
you know, the whole embarrassment thing, and just mad because
you embarrassed me, you know, like Champagne problems.

Speaker 7 (01:26:39):
Yeah, go be a Jets.

Speaker 1 (01:26:40):
I think the team is embarrassing every one team thirty
one teams every year are in some form miserable, Like
is it embarrassing?

Speaker 10 (01:26:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:26:49):
So much to be upset about. But you know, let's
see THEO right saying I want to know what your
thoughts are on Patriots fan pages on Instagram? Do you like,
hate them, don't care? I personally have one. I won't
plug myself because I'm not a certain man from LA,
but I personally like running it. I feel like I
know more about the team and I have fun creating

(01:27:11):
Patriots related content. I love the show. I've been listening
for almost two years now, which is crazy because I
can't even drive yet.

Speaker 1 (01:27:19):
Okay, that's great, I love it. That's how I did it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:22):
And you're allowed to plug your fan page.

Speaker 7 (01:27:24):
If you plug it, it's a great creative outlet. I'm
sure you can relate to that in your early blogging days,
and sure it's you're building community, it's a creative outlet.
It's great. I'd say, like the only way you can
go wrong is like just credit your sources, and other
than that, I don't think, yeah, that's great. Anyone has
to say about that.

Speaker 1 (01:27:42):
And if you're going to try to have sources, to
have sources and don't just make stuff up.

Speaker 7 (01:27:46):
Right, I'm talking about in the sense of like aggregating,
like posting an Instagram graphic that there's a report.

Speaker 1 (01:27:52):
I mean, it's largely what I did early on. I
mean I was writing for like Bleacher Report, writing articles
about the team. But then you know, really the first
version of Pats propaganda was a Tumblr blog, which is
mostly you're just reposting content and gifts and that kind
of stuff. But you know, at a certain point, I
was like, I need to make the move and just
have a dedicated website to analysis that's mine instead of

(01:28:13):
writing for seven different websites. And yeah, I'm writing about
the Patriots for Bleacher Report and for Pat's Polpit and
all these different places. So it's I think I at
a certain point, and that would be my advice, just
you know, focus your work and focus on, you know,
not just what other people are doing and saying, but
find your own niche, which is harder now. And when
I was starting out, there were, yeah, there were a
lot of blogs, but not like now where everybody's got

(01:28:34):
an Instagram page, you know, but finding a way to
stand out, like the hoodie database, like you know, that
stupid stuff that gives you a little bit something different
that the other blogs don't have.

Speaker 2 (01:28:44):
Totally, sping Fresno, what are some of the unique peccadillos
of yours? Small little, relatively unimportant offenses that just annoy you.
My dad used to suck his teeth after dinner and
it drove my brother insane. Personally, I'm in increasingly annoyed
when people insert insert right as a placeholder to hold
the floor when talking. Evan does this all the time.

(01:29:08):
So what minor sins get your goat?

Speaker 1 (01:29:11):
I can kind of do one right now, and then
my kids do it all the time, oh so much,
especially when it's empty and they just start grinding it.
Oh that sound I hate. That's the first one that
popped in mind. I probably have quite a few of these,
you know.

Speaker 7 (01:29:29):
I can tune a lot out, and it also takes
a lot to like, really bother me.

Speaker 2 (01:29:33):
I think I might have said this the one at
restaurants when you order a salad now they say do
you want protein on that?

Speaker 10 (01:29:41):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:29:42):
I can't stand that?

Speaker 10 (01:29:44):
What do you have?

Speaker 2 (01:29:44):
Chicken? Beef? Fish? You know? So by just saying protein
now it requires a second question. So my answer is yes,
I do what do you have? And now you have
to tell me what protein you have? Just say, would
you like chicken, fish or beef on that or whatever
you have?

Speaker 7 (01:30:03):
This whole protein thing is also if you're ordering a salad,
it says on the menu you can add this, this,
and this. You're probably ordering it. Can I have a
caesar salad with grilled chicken or with salmon.

Speaker 2 (01:30:15):
But oh I hear that, would you like protein with that?

Speaker 1 (01:30:18):
I was like, oh no, I just sure it is funny.
Now when you get older, things like that start to
annoy you.

Speaker 7 (01:30:29):
But I guess mine is just what people who don't
know how to merge people just fly onto the highway.

Speaker 10 (01:30:34):
Now.

Speaker 7 (01:30:35):
I like, purposely sometimes don't move over to the left
lane to let people on because I want to show them, like, no,
you have a yield sign, and I'm going to teach
you what that means.

Speaker 1 (01:30:46):
You're about to learn today. You're welcome.

Speaker 7 (01:30:48):
You want to hit me good.

Speaker 1 (01:30:49):
I'm going to think of a hundred of these as
soon as the show wraps up. I'll have a hundred.

Speaker 10 (01:30:55):
This.

Speaker 1 (01:30:56):
This annoys me. This annoys me. There's a lot of things.

Speaker 2 (01:30:58):
I mean, I hate the whole irregardless.

Speaker 7 (01:31:00):
I just you know, right well, that's not a word,
so right.

Speaker 10 (01:31:06):
With that.

Speaker 7 (01:31:06):
I agree with that.

Speaker 2 (01:31:08):
Robin Brockton, I agree with you guys on gatekeeping. Everyone
should just enjoy being a fan of a sports team
or even a band or series for that matter. Instead
of trying to prove you're a bigger fan than another,
embrace the fandom and try to become friends with said person.
We are all Patriots nation, whether you live in New
England or not. Also, I tried asking this question earlier

(01:31:29):
and Fred said my email was crap. My girlfriend and
I are going to Nashville tomorrow. Any recommendations for restaurants
and bars, Well, I would. If you want barbecue, I'd
go to Martin's. Get there early because they run out.
They only make a certain amount of ribs if you
want ribs for the day, which tells you they're doing

(01:31:49):
it the right way. They only smoke so many ribs,
so don't expect to get there at like nine nine
thirty and get ribs. They're going to run out, so
get there around five six you'll be fine. So if
you want ribs, Martins is good. It's not fancy. You
get in line, you give your order, you go, they
give you a number, you go find a table and

(01:32:11):
then they'll they'll bring you your food. So it's not
fancy at all. But the ribs are good.

Speaker 1 (01:32:15):
Yeah, I've only been there once, so I'm not sure
I can qualify to give advice, but I don't. It's
hard to go wrong if you just go down Broadway
and yeah, looking for fun and We had great barbecue.
I don't even know where we enter barbecue, but it
was wonderful too. You remember that, Maddie. It was Jacks Jacks.
We went to Jacks. And if you have a chance
to sing, bust to move in karaoke on Nashville Main
Street where everyone's trying to be a famous musician and

(01:32:35):
you can brutally sing a song from the nineties, go
for it.

Speaker 7 (01:32:38):
I also highly recommend Hattie Bees Nashville Chicken sandwiches.

Speaker 2 (01:32:41):
They are unbelievable Hattie Bees very famous spot up right
on Broadway too. Yeah, right on Broadway. Yeah, yeah, I
mean you can't miss right now.

Speaker 1 (01:32:50):
It's a great It's a really cool city. I again,
they're briefly joint practice a twenty nineteen, but seemed like
a really fun It's a.

Speaker 2 (01:32:56):
Real cool city in short doses.

Speaker 1 (01:33:00):
Yeah, it's kind of like Vegas in that regard.

Speaker 2 (01:33:01):
It's the country version version exactly. That sounds about right, Yeah,
Dan and Hawaii rights in love. The idea of motivational
speeches being hype during or prior to games. One of
my favorite motivational speeches was given by John Belushi as
Blueto and Animal House. Yep, was it over when the

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Germans bomb Pearl Harboro? He'll no, nothing is over until
we decide it is. When the going gets tough, the
tough get going.

Speaker 5 (01:33:29):
So I like it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:30):
That was a good one.

Speaker 1 (01:33:31):
Yeah, yeah, I had to think of some of those.
But all the sports movies, that's like the pinnacle of
the sports movie, right. You gotta have either training montage
or the motivational speech at the That's a good one.

Speaker 13 (01:33:41):
I like.

Speaker 2 (01:33:43):
Was there a motivational speech in Bad News Bears?

Speaker 1 (01:33:46):
Oh boy, that's really I imagine. Do you see that one?

Speaker 2 (01:33:50):
A long time a long time ago, long time ago.

Speaker 7 (01:33:53):
Yeah, like single digit age.

Speaker 1 (01:33:55):
Probably pretty funny though, you know, I think in Major
League there's a pretty good speech when I think, like
Corbyn Burnson, maybe Tom Berenger get the team on board.
Every sports movie he's got to have a motivational speech.

Speaker 2 (01:34:10):
Let's see. This is Matt for an offseason question. I
was wondering if you guys had a favorite stadium that
you have been to across all sports. Secondly, a favorite
stadium based on experience. For me, Petco Park the Padres
Stadium has been the best I've been to so far,
and experience wise, would be any Vegas Golden Knights game.
I highly recommend anyone who enjoys hockey or sports in

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general to go to a Golden Knights game, at least
once I hear the presentation is really good.

Speaker 1 (01:34:38):
I've heard the same thing.

Speaker 7 (01:34:39):
I imagine Peco Park is great. I saw my spring
break my senior year of college. The World Baseball Classic
was going on and we just happened to be in
San Diego for spring break anyways, and went to a
game last minute. It was awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:34:53):
I haven't been to a lot of stadiums. Seattle always
made an impression on me seeing the Seahawks play the
Patriots so.

Speaker 2 (01:34:58):
Far stadium was just a it was unbelievable, just the
whole design of it, Like two thirds of it is underground.
They spent over a billion dollars making it earthquake proof,
Like it's the safest place in LA to be, you know,
that's what they told me. Like, and I did a
whole tour the back end, the technology there, the ribbon boards,

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it's just just increasing. Literally it's it's an outdoor stadium,
you know, even though with two thirds of it is
is below ground level.

Speaker 7 (01:35:29):
That's cool.

Speaker 1 (01:35:29):
Yeah, I still think the place I'm always trying to
get back to my mind that I'll never get to
is the Boss and Garden. I just I And it's
not even that that was a great stadium, but growing
up there and the memories of going to Bruin schemes
with my dad and just the smell of that stadium.
It's still like I I can still remember like all
my experiences going to that place, and anytime I see

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like a picture of it online or something, I'm like, God,
I'm never gonna get to go back to there.

Speaker 2 (01:35:54):
Yeah, I remember place was going to the Boss and
Garden during the Bird era and you know during timeout
TV timeouts, like and you know, the Celtics would be
on a run. You know, Larry just hit a three
point you know, to like put his foot on their throats.
Like during TV timeouts, the crowd would make it a

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point to like just keep it all the sound up,
like throughout the whole TV timeout. So when TV came
out from the break, the place was still just going wild.
It was just like a whole different thing, you know.
It was there wasn't any of the like extra stuff.
There weren't any dancers back then. There weren't you know
them the music, crazy DJ or anything. It was just

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the crowd creating the excitement.

Speaker 1 (01:36:39):
That was what was crazy to me when I went.
When I was living in LA went to a couple
of Kings games, and the contrast between mostly going to
Boston Garden seeing those Bruins games to then, you know,
like late nineties, early two thousands. Now the Kings have
video boards and those things, and it was plus it's La,
so it's just a whole production. You know, there's as
much of a show going on as the hockey game self.

(01:37:00):
But yeah, I mean Dodger Stadium was pretty cool. Been
a few games there.

Speaker 2 (01:37:04):
A little scary really happened to Dodger Stadium once. It
was delightful experience.

Speaker 1 (01:37:10):
Yeah, it's nice. It's hard to get to, you know,
it's like and oh everybody comes late, and yeah, it's
a different experience, but it's a cool it's cool atmosphere.
It is. Anaheim didn't really care for that. Never made
it down to pet Coo though. In San Diego, I
mean I saw the old Qualcom which, by the way,
I saw they just tore that down. If you saw
that was another football stadium just next to it. So

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even that like, not that I had anywhere the fondness
of that place that I have for Boston Garden, but
the six AFC Divisional game I saw there, you know,
like I had a little emotion and like, it's weird
when you see these stadiums where you had such you know,
so many great experiences get torn down and you're like, man,
that place is gone forever.

Speaker 7 (01:37:49):
Going through it right now in Rhode Island with McCoy Stadium, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (01:37:53):
Think the most depressing. One of my most depressing pictures
to me is of the g of Boston Garden and
it's like half torn down, And you know, I always
felt like the Boston Garden when you were in there,
it's like time and space don't exist, Like you just
feel like you're in a different place. You know, I
don't know where.

Speaker 2 (01:38:07):
Outside it was a dump, but it was total dumb.

Speaker 7 (01:38:09):
It was our dumb.

Speaker 1 (01:38:10):
But then that picture where it was like half the
building is ripped off and you see you're sitting there
on Causeway Street and you see directly into the Boston Garden.
You're like, my god, it was just it was just
a stupid building right there in the middle of box.

Speaker 2 (01:38:20):
I mean, I don't want to say it's on the
same level, but it must have been, like you know,
seeing Notre Dame Cathedral when it was burnt. You know,
like this iconic place in ruins.

Speaker 1 (01:38:31):
You can you can try to rebuild it, or you
can call something in the Boston Garden or I mean,
I don't know if people notice notice it today, but
like I think the proper measurements for a hockey rink
right now are two hundred by eighty five, and I
think the Boston Garden was like one eight by like seventy.

Speaker 2 (01:38:46):
That's why they always build their teams to be physically rink.

Speaker 1 (01:38:51):
I mean, it's like you couldn't do that. Imagine like,
oh I have to play the Patriots. Yeah, the field's
only eighty yards in Foxboro. Like that's the equivalent of it.
It's it's it's crazy. You look at it now and
you're like they played hockey in that, Like it looked
like it's like on the rug in front, it's just
tiny little space, everybody on top of each other at
different different times.

Speaker 2 (01:39:07):
James Pettigrew, the most interesting Patriots fan of the world,
says about little annoyances for some reason ed Hocky Lely
always annoyed me, and I thought he was a good
ref And you're not a real fan unless you hear
Fred complain about late T shirt deliveries and you shout
the paper was never on time either, Fred at your phone. Yeah,
we for those who were PFW subscribers, you know the

(01:39:30):
the ordeals that we had to go through to get
papers delivering on time.

Speaker 1 (01:39:34):
Well, I live in California when I was a subscriber,
and I don't think it ever came on time. But
I enjoyed reading all the wonderful content you guys produced.

Speaker 2 (01:39:45):
Right right, Curtis and Saint Louis writes in what Rookie
would you like to see take the big Leap in
training camp? And second question, would you rather attend a
Patriots Dolphins game in Miami during September in a parka
and snow pants or a ten A Patriots Bills game
in Buffalo in January and swim trunks and flip flops.
Take fatalities out of the question, So overdress for a

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steaming game in September or underdress for a freezing game
in January.

Speaker 1 (01:40:14):
It's tough to be cold. I mean, I'd rather be
cold than hot.

Speaker 7 (01:40:18):
But the thing is like I've been at late season
games outdoor stadium and it's freezing and like you don't
warm up until like midnight after a one o'clock game,
Whereas once the game's done, you just go into the
ac and you kind of get reliefed sooner.

Speaker 2 (01:40:34):
I don't know. Both of us sound really missy.

Speaker 1 (01:40:37):
I don't know a lot. One sounds like me trying
to sleep last night, because last night I just felt like,
no matter how much the air condition was on, it
just is like you're sleeping in soup.

Speaker 7 (01:40:45):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:40:46):
I hate being hot, but I feel like I'd rather
be cold outside and dress warm, but not in swim
trunks though.

Speaker 2 (01:40:52):
Yeah, I don't know. I can't decide on either.

Speaker 7 (01:40:55):
One Parka in September in Miami, on the bright side
of sweating out some talks.

Speaker 1 (01:41:00):
That's true. That's true.

Speaker 7 (01:41:02):
There's at least exactly there you go speaking of.

Speaker 1 (01:41:06):
She'll be you know le bars. Yeah, rest in peace
to one.

Speaker 2 (01:41:10):
I remember when he used to fill in bartend at
the Poorhouse boil some Street.

Speaker 1 (01:41:15):
Yeah, after his play days, get some fights, and.

Speaker 2 (01:41:18):
That's the place I miss he used to He used
to drink more than he poured. So uh hello do
slex and Marine Claire writes in I always love the
off season weirdness, so embrace the narrative. What's the one
song that brings you back up? You might be down
or angry and playing that song just levels out your mood.

Speaker 1 (01:41:39):
I want to dance with somebody, wouldn't use that's a
good one, Okay, can't be.

Speaker 2 (01:41:44):
I mean whenever I hear it on the radio, like
the distinctive opening to Hotel California, It's like, Okay, turn
it up.

Speaker 1 (01:41:50):
You get that at least twenty times a day on
the radio, and I like.

Speaker 2 (01:41:54):
Long, cool woman in a black dress by the Hollies.
You ever hear that?

Speaker 1 (01:41:58):
Sure?

Speaker 2 (01:41:59):
Yeah, don't humm we'll get sou.

Speaker 1 (01:42:02):
I appreciate you saying that because I would be on tone.
I would be on key, I'm sure.

Speaker 2 (01:42:07):
Also selfishly for me, who is your favorite Patriots tight end?
And how is it not Gronk? Well? I think Gronk, Yeah,
But I mean Ben Coats is great. U you know
Marv uh not what's his name, Marv Cook? Not Marv Cook.

Speaker 1 (01:42:23):
That's not very long. You're talking about the guy went
to San Francisco.

Speaker 2 (01:42:27):
Yeah, why can't I remember his name? Rus Francis Francis.

Speaker 10 (01:42:31):
He was a beast. He was.

Speaker 2 (01:42:32):
He was like the athletic tight end before there were
an athletic tight end. Sure like he could do it all. Yeah,
and without focus like he wouldn't. He wasn't a workout
warrior or anything like that. He was just a natural athlete.

Speaker 1 (01:42:48):
No, Claire, go watch some Ben Cots highlights on YouTube
and then then then send them, send me a message,
tell me what you think of Ben Coates, because he
was he was a truck.

Speaker 2 (01:42:56):
He was a truck. I think there's Gronk is better.

Speaker 1 (01:43:00):
Gronk was better, was better, But Ben Coates and Drew
bledsoe that there was a hype around that that combination,
and Ben Coates has some Gronk worthy patching runs.

Speaker 2 (01:43:10):
Ben was great. And then towards the end he slowed
down a little and he started getting called for offensive
pass in appearance a little bit. He was pushing off
a little bit too much. They ended up sending him
to the Ravens. Yep, and he had a few more
years at the Ravens, won a Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (01:43:25):
I don't think he played much, but yeah, you know,
I realized I don't think we answered. Was it Chanamee
Pettigrew's question about rookie want to see the jump? I think,
oh I don't. Sorry, sorry to go back to that,
but I was gonna just say will Campbell because if
he think, if he comes in and plays really well
left tackle, oh yeah, you know you're gonna be cooking.
I hope that's what he meant, not like last year's
rookie to make a jump. But sorry, I want to
make sure we answer questions.

Speaker 10 (01:43:45):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:43:46):
Yeah, I got a feeling Alex is going to be
able to answer this the best. Mike from Maine says,
what is your go to hangover food? Greasy diner breakfast?
For me, glad we're getting it's such a training camp.
Thanks for the off season content. Me too, hangover food.
I haven't had a hangover in a long time. To

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me too, I have.

Speaker 7 (01:44:12):
Cape Week, and then right before Cape Week, right before
New York City, I was visiting my friend in Charlotte
and we partied like we were in college again, Greasy
diner breakfast. But sometimes, like even then, like if it's
that bad of a hangover, you can't even muster up
the energy to be in public at a sit down restaurant,

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greasy bacon, egg and cheese.

Speaker 2 (01:44:34):
So what is it about the grace miss NUTRITIONI I
don't know.

Speaker 7 (01:44:37):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:44:37):
It just feels right, you like I don't There's only
one thing I can eat right now.

Speaker 7 (01:44:42):
Eggs absorbs the Yeah, I don't know. I don't come
back to life. So I have like a breakfast sausage,
egg and cheese breakfast or a bacon, egg and cheese.
Don't discriminate, but maybe something about like the carbs and
the bread or the croissant, like soaking it.

Speaker 1 (01:44:55):
Up in universal answer? What I've never even heard someone
pitch another good hang with McDonald's.

Speaker 7 (01:45:01):
Depending on how late you wake up, Just go right
to McDonald's. McDonald's fountain diet coke, Yeah, PEPSI.

Speaker 1 (01:45:08):
That's Probablyonald's diet whatever.

Speaker 7 (01:45:11):
There's diet black soda, di cola. Uh, like a medium
French fry, medium to large French fry, cheeseburger.

Speaker 1 (01:45:20):
I'm ecconom McDonald's in decades, maybe at least driving back minutes.

Speaker 7 (01:45:26):
I'll never be too good for McDonald I.

Speaker 1 (01:45:27):
Was driving back from my boys weekend a couple of
weeks ago, and I stopped on the mass Pike for
I was. I thought I'd get a Duncan, and I
was like, all right, I'm gonna have to do Mickey
teas I haven't done.

Speaker 10 (01:45:35):
In a while.

Speaker 1 (01:45:35):
I'm just gonna get an egg and cheese. I couldn't
eat both of them. I was, I just I don't know, really,
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:45:40):
Yeah, see, I'm I'm addicted. Not that I go too much,
but like even just the thought of a big Mac
gets me, Like pavlocks.

Speaker 1 (01:45:50):
I started.

Speaker 2 (01:45:52):
It's one of the great sandwiches of all time.

Speaker 7 (01:45:54):
One or two times a quarter, I'm doing McDonald's.

Speaker 1 (01:45:58):
But did you ever have it a at shoot one
of the restaurants up here in Patriot Place, the Worldly One,
you know, I'm talking about the Worldly One, Worldly One,
right next to Duncan, Red Robin, No Citizens, Crust Citizens,
Crust Worldly right.

Speaker 2 (01:46:14):
Because the menuse a horizontal.

Speaker 1 (01:46:16):
They have like a big Mac pizza. So it's like
all the oh yeah, fixing on the pizza and it's wonderful.

Speaker 2 (01:46:23):
Okay. I liked it. When McDonald's had the big Mac rap,
you felt like a little less guilty because it wasn't
on the butt. It wasn't a rap, but it tasted
like a big mac.

Speaker 3 (01:46:32):
I like that.

Speaker 1 (01:46:34):
We used to have hockey practice in high school sometimes
in the morning before school, and then we would all
just go to McDonald's before and I think there was
one time I ate seven egg mcmuffins. But you know,
you just like a practice was literally like five am
to six am, and then you know, you have a
couple of hours to kill and we just hang out there.
You're like sixteen, seventeen years old. You could just take
that stuff down.

Speaker 7 (01:46:53):
Oh yeah, I love like a cheeseburger salad when I'm
craving a cheeseburger, but I don't want to be a slob.
Take the bread a big but it's a salad, you know,
over lettuce and like a patty.

Speaker 2 (01:47:03):
Yeah. Well that's like Evan's jersey, Mike.

Speaker 7 (01:47:06):
Yeah, not just the it, you know, anything you didn't do.

Speaker 1 (01:47:09):
Where's that jersey? My sponsorship going? You have that thing going.

Speaker 7 (01:47:12):
I know they got chicken salad sandwhich is.

Speaker 2 (01:47:13):
Back Tyler and Delaware. About Polk, I'm in total agreement
with Mike. Polk had a bad season. Yeah, it sucks,
but numerous rookies who had bad first years turned it
around and had solid careers including Devontae Adams, Austin, Jeffrey,
Brandon Marshall. I'd even argue Marvin Harrison had a disappointing

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rookie year, but I digress. Certainly Marvin Harrison Junior did right.
People thought he.

Speaker 6 (01:47:40):
Was gonna be.

Speaker 1 (01:47:41):
I don't know what his numbers were, but I would
just chime in and say that Evan would say right
now that based on Polk's numbers what he achieved, it's
would probably be kind of unprecedented, not probably, it would
be unprecedented for him to have a breakout year. Now
if you guys who produced that little don't have him
produced so.

Speaker 2 (01:47:57):
Poke showed significant potential last offseason leading into the season.
It was the Miami game with the touchdown that could
call back that killed his motivation and lost trust within
the coaches after comments he made following the game. We
as Patriots fans should want and root for guys to
step up and succeed. So instead of crapping on him
like I hear on Paul's shows, why can't we just

(01:48:18):
root for him hope he puts in the work and
makes the team. Poke supporters unite.

Speaker 1 (01:48:23):
Yeah, Now, it'll be fun. I mean, I think it's
a good uh, it's a good point to talk about
during training camp. You know, maybe he's uh, maybe he
does really well, he picks up, he starts producing like
he did in camp again, and you know, people like
Paul and Evan will maybe have to consider it. Or
maybe he can't get you know, can't break through. I
don't know, but I just I believe in the player
I do. I think that he has a skill set
they need and it's not I think people get lost

(01:48:45):
when it's not the number one receiver. That I don't
want him then, but I think he liked pop. He
could have a role and be helpful to this offer.

Speaker 2 (01:48:53):
Let's see eight five five pats five hundred is the
hotline Marks in Connecticut? What's Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:48:57):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:48:59):
Hi, Mark? That was my I hit the wrong button. Man,
Tell him to call call back. Mark. I'm sorry. If
you call back, we'll get you right on the there
is this is this Mark? Okay, what's up? Mark? Sorry?

Speaker 6 (01:49:18):
That's all right? Guys?

Speaker 2 (01:49:19):
How you doing good?

Speaker 8 (01:49:22):
Brother?

Speaker 6 (01:49:23):
Welcome back.

Speaker 8 (01:49:24):
Hey, it seems like you guys are altimating days off.

Speaker 2 (01:49:29):
That's how it works.

Speaker 1 (01:49:30):
Yeah, I can't all go at the Fred Sitder myself.

Speaker 17 (01:49:34):
A couple of things, you.

Speaker 8 (01:49:39):
Know, messing with the guy and not just giving him
the contract extend too much of a valuable player to
them that the Patriots would love.

Speaker 2 (01:49:47):
To have, well, especially now when you get your quarterback
on a rookie contract.

Speaker 8 (01:49:53):
Right exactly. The other thing is is that this defense,
Deuce and I know you're in agreement on this, they should, realistically,
with the schedule being the third easiest, be a top
five defense.

Speaker 6 (01:50:04):
With the players that they brought in. No, obviously health
will play.

Speaker 8 (01:50:08):
A stancial role in that, but realistically I can see
this team winning ten eleven games.

Speaker 1 (01:50:13):
Yeah, I mean I realistically could too. I mean, it
has to break right and they have to stay healthy,
like you said, but that that's to me is the
biggest thing. I just my one thing with maybe holding
this defense back is if they do have a string
of bat injury luck at a specific position or two
like edge or linebacker. I just think Spallaine and Landry.
Spallayne and Landry super valuable guys that they can't afford

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to lose. That would be big drop offs.

Speaker 8 (01:50:39):
Absolutely, you guys, I love you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:50:41):
Have a great one, all right, Thanks Mark, Thanks for
the call, but I'm sorry that I hung up on you.

Speaker 1 (01:50:45):
You got to feel good about the cornerbacks, you know,
especially the two starters. Yeah, with Duggar coming back, I
mean health, health, definitely questions.

Speaker 2 (01:50:53):
That's the one thing I hate about football. It's not
when it works. It's not if it's when guys get hurt.

Speaker 1 (01:50:59):
You know. That's like it's like two thousand and eight.
I remember really like, oh my god, you're kidding me.
The season's over, like six minutes in. You know, I
know it wasn't and you still watch matc Castle, but
especially this sport. It that's how it happens. Boom down completely,
everything goes sideways, and everything we talked about from free
agency in March to this point where you're you know,

(01:51:20):
getting into September, it's like it's out the window now,
it does. You know We've talked about all this time
about Drake or Landry or whoever, and you know, now
they're down and it's a totally different equation.

Speaker 2 (01:51:29):
Sean said Vancouver, Hey Sean, Hey.

Speaker 17 (01:51:32):
Fred of food things. Yeah, I agree with Charlotta in
in terms of expectations. It's not a number thing. I
don't know how many wins they're going to get, but
yet just to see the improvement of progress, especially with
the quarterback of Trick May is doing well, then I'll
be happy. So that's that's it in a muscle, really excited.
Like like Mike, you were saying that for some reason,

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there's just a difference with this team that it seems
like they're going to be really good. They're going to
take a big jump, but don't know we have seen it.
But I'm so looking forward to what happens when the
pads come on and practice and when they're going up
against another team for the dual practices and then the
exhibition games. I want to see what they look like.
And with other fans, you know, sometimes we have expectations

(01:52:17):
with players like Pop Douglas, like it's not realistic. You're
expecting them to be Edelman or Welker and like six
seventh round picks. That's not what really happens most of
the time. I mean, you look at since twenty seventeen,
we haven't had maybe half a dozen guys who've worked out.
So I'd be happy. Like if Brian is like a

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swing aligneman is going forward, that to me, that's a success.
You can't expect them to be all pro when you're
drafting that late with these guys. And the other thing
I wanted to point out in regards to the flags,
like challenges. I like the way the CFL does that.
You have one challenge, you get it right, you get

(01:53:02):
it again, and you can also challenge p I.

Speaker 6 (01:53:05):
So that's that's it.

Speaker 17 (01:53:07):
I'll let you discuss that forever left.

Speaker 2 (01:53:10):
Okay, thanks, Yeah, I mean I I don't mind that
one challenge as long as you keep getting it right,
you get it back.

Speaker 1 (01:53:18):
You know, puts a lot more on that coach trying
to measure the Yeah, you've got to be certain the
right moment.

Speaker 2 (01:53:24):
You got to you got to know that it was
a bad call. Yeah, So I don't mind that either,
you know. I just think let's just get it right.
I don't care how. Let's just get it right. You know,
we've been on both ends where you're the recipient of
a bad call and you win that way, but it
just hurts so much when your team loses because of

(01:53:46):
a bad call.

Speaker 1 (01:53:47):
You know, Well, if I can put my youth hockey
referee hat on a second, like as a rat like,
I just want to get it right too, like I
don't care about being right right, and sometimes I mean
there's a lot going on and it's like, coach, I'm
not trying to screw you, I just didn't see it.
Like I call something I didn't see. If the camera
shows it and the replay shows that I missed it,
then fine.

Speaker 10 (01:54:06):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:54:06):
Do you wonder though, if they would start to like
grade the officials and oh well, this official had seventeen
calls overturned and this guy's only had three.

Speaker 7 (01:54:14):
So I feel like they do right.

Speaker 1 (01:54:16):
I mean, they're definitely evaluated to some extent, but I
just wonder if that would be you know, they try
to get the best cruise at the end, but I
would just wonder if that this becomes then another big
key piece of it, how many calls if theirs have
been overturned?

Speaker 2 (01:54:27):
Is that a does that.

Speaker 7 (01:54:30):
On how you did?

Speaker 1 (01:54:31):
Right? Like every game he's getting like six calls overturned,
Like sorry, buddy.

Speaker 2 (01:54:35):
Hell back to the Remember we were talking about soccer
and people playing paying for club soccer teams. El from
Wisconsin says, wild, how would people paying for all these clubs?
The US still can't compete with the random people who
just play soccer for fun around. Well, I mean yeah,
but I mean a lot of those great soccer players

(01:54:59):
aren't random people who just played for fun. They're they're
you know, identified early lives too and put on you know,
real Madrid's youth academy, right, you.

Speaker 7 (01:55:09):
Know, like twelve moving away their families.

Speaker 2 (01:55:12):
Yeah. Plus that's the main sport in those countries.

Speaker 1 (01:55:15):
So yeah, you know, shout out to my cousin's kids.
She she grew up in Portland. Her dad is one
of the coaches for the MLS team in Charlotte. But
she she was playing on one of those club teams
like we have here for the revs, where all these teams,
you know, seem to have like full pro academy. And
she just she just went to Rutgers. She's gonna play
at Rutgers. So she's Division one soccer player.

Speaker 7 (01:55:35):
That's a great program.

Speaker 1 (01:55:36):
Shout out my cousin's kid. But I hear. I I
just think about all the time I loved hockey growing up,
like I couldn't get enough, and now I just like
I don't even know where I would fit in with
all these players who are just constantly going to showcases
and this and that. I mean, I played for my
public high school. I played hockey night in Boston and
played a couple of tournaments around here in the summer,
but like I took time off, I didn't play with

(01:55:59):
that much, you know, in the summer. And now it
just seems like it's a year round job. It's completely competitive.
As much money as my parents were fortunate enough to
be able to pay for me to play hockey, now
it seems like even more. And as a referee, I
go and I ref these showcases and I'm like, none
of these kids are playing college hockey, but how much
are they playing to play six games? And you know, Friday, Saturday,

(01:56:20):
Sunday and you flew up from Florida. You're missing school
to be here, and you're twelve years old and you
still can barely skate, Like what are.

Speaker 7 (01:56:27):
We doing before?

Speaker 12 (01:56:28):
For me?

Speaker 7 (01:56:28):
Like before high school, it was fifty dollars love the
Youth Soccer Association. You pay fifty dollars, you get a
T shirt with a number on it, and you go play.
And we turned out incredible soccer teams year after year.
And now it's like, okay, you have to pay a
couple thousand to be on this club team. And then
you also have to pay per tournament and for the
travel accommodation, and then also you're going to get three
different kits that you have to pay for too. And

(01:56:50):
it's like these kids aren't playing for Barcelona. They don't
need their uniform suits. I think they are, That's what
I'm saying, Like it's not that serious.

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