Patriots Unfiltered 8/12: Observations and Takeaways from Preseason Win vs. Commanders, Vikings Joint Practice Preview

Tune-in as the Patriots Unfiltered crew breaks down the latest news and activity inside Pats Nation. We discuss the Patriots 48-18 win against the Washington Commanders in the first preseason game. Who are the top rookies and young players to land roster spots after their performances, what concerns do we still have, and how much of the excitement surrounding the Patriots is valid? Plus, we preview the Patriots upcoming practices with the Minnesota Vikings, and how we think Josh McDaniels offense will shape up against Brian Flores' unique defensive approach.

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Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
Travon Henderson blocked the guy so well physically that he
got Matt and it started a whole.

Speaker 4 (00:25):
Well Campbell saw that he was the first one in.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
That's my runner.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
I was ready to die.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
There was an NFL coach that said he's the best
past protector he's ever seen coming out of college.

Speaker 5 (00:35):
I forget which NFL.

Speaker 4 (00:37):
Let's go, let's go, never gonna get touched.

Speaker 5 (00:40):
But like I took some time Fred to actually mix
in with the with the fonds.

Speaker 4 (00:45):
You guess something like.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
This new surgery, I.

Speaker 5 (00:47):
Know it's going to have him back before this really starts.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
Can you let me have some hope, Paul for two seconds?
I think is called the speed bridge. It's like this
new procedure of how they sniff surgery in New York City. Say,
we're playing in New York when it happened, So that's.

Speaker 5 (01:06):
Why you know we have the surgery that night.

Speaker 4 (01:08):
Can you can you let me? I mean that's a fact.
And this is Patriots Unfiltered. Let's go, let's go, let's go.
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Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here at Jillette Stadium, and

(01:30):
Deuce and Evan are getting ready to go to Minnesota,
so they're not here. We're joined by Alex and Matisse,
who took took a break from his T shirt sorting
to come down. Paul's here, I'm here, Matt's in the booth.
We're talking Patriots. We're gonna be talking. You know, what
we've seen in training camp so far, what we might

(01:51):
be seeing looking forward to the joint practices tomorrow and Thursday.
We'll get full recaps from Deuce and Evan on Thursday
when they call into the show.

Speaker 5 (02:01):
So that the game was late Friday night, so we
did our show, but some of our listeners may not
have been able to chime in. So we're still talking
about the game.

Speaker 4 (02:10):
Coming out party for one diminutive wide receiver that we
should talk about.

Speaker 5 (02:16):
Absolutely, you're going to continue to get the gaslight.

Speaker 4 (02:19):
The gaslight? What does that mean?

Speaker 5 (02:21):
You came in gaslighting me with fish and the whole show.

Speaker 4 (02:25):
I'm sincere. I'm not getting I know you are. That's
since that's that's the gaslighting is on your pulling the.

Speaker 6 (02:33):
Somebody right, Yeah, you're's big therapy speak on Instagram.

Speaker 4 (02:40):
It's by gaslighting, all right. But anyway, so we're going
to talk Patriots eight five five PATS five hundred is
the hotline podcast at patriots dot com is the email address.
So let's start with Friday night. Let's start, you know what,
Let's start with the statue.

Speaker 6 (02:56):
Yes, how else do we get to the photos circulating
of you?

Speaker 4 (02:59):
And but that was how the night started out, was
the unveiling of the statue, And personally, I thought, I
like the statue. I think it's really good. I get
a lot of people with the pose. I understand where
people are coming from there. You know, we have all

(03:22):
these iconic moments and poses that are really you know,
ingrained in our memories. But to me, we've got those photos,
we've got those videos. I like this because it's unique.
It's something new. It's not something recreating something we've already seen.
It's something that stands on its own. I heard you,

(03:43):
Paul on one of your shows yesterday saying, you know
they got the face right. That's half the battle with
these statues.

Speaker 5 (03:49):
I think it's more than half the battle. I think
that's the far and away the.

Speaker 6 (03:52):
Most Duane Wade and Christiana Ronaldo and a lot.

Speaker 5 (03:55):
Of other ones too.

Speaker 7 (03:56):
This is why you don't get like all the emotion
because you want to play it safe. I think they
took the safe option pose, but that you're going to
get the face right.

Speaker 4 (04:04):
Right, They get the face right. I get people saying
the head's a little bit small, but when you see
but when you see it in person, it doesn't look
as bad as the photos. Because I went out yesterday.
Obviously I saw it that night, but I let me
look at this again. Did you sleep there that night? No,

(04:27):
they kicked me out. They kicked me out. Yeah, but
I looked at it does not look as small in
person as it might to some people in photos. It's
it's a good photo. It's it's a good statue. It's
going to be there forever. I think it's something that
we should be proud of. And I can tell you
he really liked it.

Speaker 7 (04:47):
The photos.

Speaker 4 (04:48):
Brady really liked it.

Speaker 7 (04:49):
The photos don't do the statue justice because there's so
much details when you're in person, the knee brace, like
the unarmor on the cleats, the socks over the cleats,
like they got a lot of stuff, right.

Speaker 6 (04:58):
I think most people who are critiguing it haven't seen
it in person, and that's a big issue to me.
When I saw it, it was just such a marvel
that like someone created this, like someone literally etched into
bronze and made the I don't know, I don't have
nearly enough talent. I feel like to criticize the.

Speaker 4 (05:16):
Patriots dot com and I think on Patriots YouTube there's
a behind the scenes making of the statue. I highly
recommend watching that because you get a little insight into
what you're talking about, how the process worked. It is
and it's quite the process, Yeah, it really is.

Speaker 6 (05:32):
It would just give you just a greater appreciation, yeah,
for what it took to I don't know, it's just
it's like a piece of fine art.

Speaker 4 (05:39):
Yeah, and I know, you know, and again going back
to the post, I get it. I think, you know,
because I talked to the people that were involved. They said,
like they thought about putting a helmet on it, and
they said, no, let's not put a helmet on him
and hide him so that he's took away like half
the iconic moments right there with the Lombard. You know,

(06:01):
we all remember after twenty fourteen holding up the Lombardi
there are issues with like the Lombardi family owned the
rights to promoting the Lombardi, so they wanted to avoid
any problems that might be so that took away that one.
But I think at the end of the day, I
think they decided, let's just do something unique. Let's do

(06:22):
something that is, you know, different from all those things
that we remember, because we've got all those photos and videos.
Let's do something that stands on its own. And I
think they nailed it. I think it's a good statue's
it's one that over time, I think even the people
that are you know, grumbling about things, they'll come to like.

(06:44):
And I recommend seeing it in person, I really do.

Speaker 7 (06:47):
I mean, the ceremony was crazy because at first I
didn't expect that many people, but also people were paying
to get into the Hall of Fame to watch behind
the glass to get a better seat.

Speaker 6 (06:57):
Like it was really an incredible sight to just do
a three hundred and sixty degree spin and every rafter,
someone could be hanging off of fans work like congregated on.
Like you said, you look at the window of the
Hall of Fame, it's packed with people inside. I mean
it was like a little overwhelming.

Speaker 5 (07:16):
Also, there were a lot of people that went into
the game very early and just watched it on the
jumbo tuk. My brother in law and sister in law
were among those, and they said they were not alone.
There were a lot of people hard and just to
watch it on.

Speaker 6 (07:28):
The harp up and Patriot Place. Their little rooftop deck
was packed. And then you look at the bridge in
the North End zone mobbed with people like it was.
So it was really special.

Speaker 5 (07:42):
To a little biased on this. Freddie and I you know,
are part of the Hall of Fame committee and I
just feel like that venue there is one of the
best things that we do. Yeah, when we do the
Hall of Fame ceremonies and that and that, that's a
great look And just the way you just explained it,
Alex sixty degree, do people up all the way up

(08:02):
the stairs. Yeah, it's it's just you don't necessarily have
to have like a front row seat. It's not like
you know, you're you're stuck in the three hundreds trying
to see your favorite rock band, right, you know, this
is a ceremony you just want to be a part of. Yeah,
and that I think that whole plaza is one of
the best things that we do.

Speaker 4 (08:23):
It's like it's like every year like the Vatican, right, Yeah,
and it's cool that I was being serious, but you
have to have that plaza in front of the Vatican
then everyone gathered.

Speaker 6 (08:33):
Yeah, it was a religious experience for Patriots fans. I
think I think it was.

Speaker 5 (08:38):
It's like a statue.

Speaker 6 (08:39):
It was cool that. Obviously Brady deserves a bigger Hall
of Fame ceremony, but that's the tradition, right to have
it in that plaza. So with the statue, he still
got to have that moment, you know, and now that
that statue will forever, like you have to go past
that statue to get to the Hall of Fame. And
I love that. I think that's level.

Speaker 4 (09:00):
And I can tell you as a fact, more people
watched the live stream of this ceremony than did the
live stream last year of his induction. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (09:10):
Well, Celtics weren't playing, so they were a playoff game.

Speaker 4 (09:13):
They weren't in the final true, I forget about that.
But yeah, over, you.

Speaker 5 (09:17):
Know, and it was what fifteen minutes, yeah, fifteen twenty
minutes to two hours? Yeah, yeah, makes a little easy
to watch. Yeah, but yeah, I mean I thought it
was a really cool event. I thought they did it well.
I didn't see any major issues that stood out to me.
I'm not exactly the most uh you know, technically savvy guys,

(09:40):
so I wouldn't really notice a lot of mistakes if
I saw them. But we were in here getting ready
to do the pregame show. We had it up on
the monitors. We were watching it.

Speaker 4 (09:47):
I was up in the press Spox watching it on
my laptop and on TV, and it was great.

Speaker 6 (09:52):
It was I was out on the plaza and even
some commander you.

Speaker 5 (09:57):
Out there to he.

Speaker 6 (10:00):
We were covering the story.

Speaker 4 (10:05):
We're doing our jobs.

Speaker 6 (10:07):
Anyways. All that to say, it was cool because Dietrich
Wise and John Jones came out to watch it before
the game. But it wasn't just them. There were other
Commanders players kind of lingering, and then just people from
the Commander's organization and they were like just looking around
marveling because they I don't know, it's Tom Brady won,
but I don't like that. But they've had great players,

(10:31):
but I mean maybe in those people's lifetime working for
the team, I think they were just they couldn't believe
how many people it drew, and just seeing the production
that it was and how cool in an event, like
they were definitely like looking around like this is this
is pretty rad, which is a.

Speaker 4 (10:48):
Cool I think that's when we're at our best organization.

Speaker 6 (10:54):
I agree that the ceremony and Tom Brady Night like
easily top three highlights of my career here just really
cool to be a partner.

Speaker 4 (11:02):
Yeah, yah, sure, so that was good, you know, and
we welcome your thoughts about it, whether you were there
or you saw it on the stream or just saw
their recaps afterwards, your thoughts on it.

Speaker 5 (11:15):
And I'd be curious not just what your thoughts are
on the statue, but your thoughts on the ceremony if
you watched it, what you thought of you know, because
it was, like I said, it was quick, fifteen minutes
or so. Maybe a little longer than that, but not much.
And I just thought it was well done. I think
the production was really good, the video was great, and

(11:35):
I know the guys worked really hard on that putting
that together during the course of the week. So I
just would be curious to see what people's thoughts were
in the ceremony as well as the statue.

Speaker 4 (11:45):
Yeah, and I also i'd be interested people's thoughts on
what's next. You know Bill obviously, but like what do
you kind of pose do you have for him? You know,
what is what is Bill full hoodie full hood with
it on?

Speaker 7 (11:58):
Oh yeah, I don't think it.

Speaker 4 (12:00):
No, I think for the same reason you don't put
a helmet on Brady. You want to see his face,
you know, so do you? Yeah? Well, anyway, so that's on.
And then the game started and right off the bat
Trevion Henderson, that was electric. That was electric.

Speaker 7 (12:18):
It just kind of kept the high going the whole time,
exactly the whole time. Yeah, like kick return. Then there
was the sideline interview like it was a great night.

Speaker 4 (12:27):
It really was. It was. And you know, you're putting
up forty eight points in a preseason game. I know,
nothing counts, but as Dan Roach said, it doesn't count,
but it matters.

Speaker 7 (12:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (12:37):
That was also Phil Perry actually said that give credit
credit is okay.

Speaker 4 (12:41):
Well I heard Dan say it, so he probably stole
it each other.

Speaker 5 (12:45):
He said that on the on the call on on
the sports as he, you know, Bob Socy obviously was
the play by play guy, and Phil Perry is his analyst,
and as he.

Speaker 4 (12:55):
Oh, is that right? I thought Dan Roach was his analyst.

Speaker 5 (12:58):
There you go.

Speaker 4 (12:59):
Oh, I'm I'm sorry. I'm sorry to Phil.

Speaker 5 (13:01):
Par correcting the record.

Speaker 4 (13:03):
Sorry to Phil Parry.

Speaker 5 (13:04):
Sounded like Dan Rose it was a great I thought
it was a great line.

Speaker 4 (13:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (13:07):
It was actually for a guy I mean, not that
you know, I'm trying to make it into being, you know,
rocket science, but for a guy who doesn't really do
that for a living. It's not a full time you know,
color analyst. And Phil I think, does a really good
job of it.

Speaker 4 (13:21):
Good job, Phil, you nail a line, You nail that.
It doesn't count, but it does matter. It matters his confidence,
for the team's confidence. It matters.

Speaker 8 (13:31):
No.

Speaker 7 (13:32):
Alex and I were in the press, Boss, I was like,
I can't remember the last time we scored this much
and it was what four years? Like, it's just point
after point, felt good? Yeah, felt good? Great, give some hope.
They were.

Speaker 4 (13:46):
So a lot of individual really good stuff. Obviously, when
you score forty eight points. You have to do something
right both offense and defense. Not everything was perfect. We
have to talk about the Dre May play where he
he fumbled trying to extend the play. You know it
was I think that was that was the learning moment.

(14:09):
I think if you talk about like what was the
confidence builder, what was the highlight blub, I think the
learning moment for that was there's there's a lot of
work to be done in the passing game still, and
you know, whether it's two rookies miscommunicating and not you know,
handling a stunt correctly, or Drake May just not knowing

(14:29):
when to fold them. You know, good learning moment. Good
that it happened in the first preseason game. Let's hope
that it doesn't happen later. But something really a teachable
moment for Vrabel and McDaniels there.

Speaker 5 (14:46):
Yeah, And I actually asked McDaniels because he was they
were available yesterday. The core, well was Josh McDaniels and
Jeremy Springer plus all the offensive positional coaches. So I
asked Josh, just how hard that is to sort of
you have a guy that has obvious physical skills that
not everybody has at that position in Drake May. You

(15:09):
don't want to take that away from him. You don't
want to turn his athleticism off and have him just,
you know, stay within the numbers all you know, stay
within the lines all the time. But how hard is
it for him to straddle that line between trying to
play hero ball and knowing when a play is over?
And I thought it was really interesting the way he
answered it. You know, he first he brought up the
play and practice that we all talked about that he

(15:31):
extended the play and rolled out and he threw that
long pass to Tamario Douglass. Yeah, he said, if I
had sort of beaten that out of him and told
him not to extend that play, I'd be kicking myself right.
But at the same time, he really has to do
it himself. Drake May has to learn. Like to Fred's point,
it's a learning experience. He has to learn when he

(15:52):
can do those things and when he should just take
the sack and live to fight another another play. Turning
the ball over puts the team in jeopardy. He turned
the ball over too much last year. Your first impression
of him this year in year two is a turnover
and that was disappointing, and Mike Rabel said so at
halftime with the broadcast, he said it to Steve Burton,

(16:14):
so I do think it's a learning experience, a learning
opportunity for Drake May We'll see if it works.

Speaker 4 (16:20):
Yep, so a lot of you know. One of the
highlights of the game for me was Efton Chisholm. I
thought he looked really good. Now I need to see more. Obviously,
hopefully this week he'll get some run with the first
team against the Vikings in practice because he was doing
it against Scrubs. Yeah. So, but if you're going to

(16:42):
be good in the NFL, you should have a performance
like that against Scrubs. But let's see if he can
he can pile on that with with some more good
plays against the better.

Speaker 5 (16:53):
Players coming on in practice a little bit. The practices
before the game, I thought he was a little bit
more active in because I don't think he much the
first week and a half or so, and then all
of a sudden he started to show up a little bit.
Then he had another Sunday and then he had another
good practice on on Sunday. But again, I'd like to
see it with a little bit higher caliber players around him.

Speaker 4 (17:15):
Yep, yep. So we you know, we'll look at it.

Speaker 5 (17:17):
He's going to have an opportunity. You got Kenrick Bourne
has been like a week and a half without practicing.
Jalen Polk goes down in the game, Mike Brabel said
he will not be practicing in Minnesota. So the wide
receiver room is you know, I know everybody thinks it's
so crowded it's really not sending itself out. But yeah,
he's going to get an opportunity. To me, it will

(17:38):
come down to whether or not Mike Brabel wants to
keep more than five guys. If he keeps five, I
think he's going to be on the practice squad. If
he keeps more than five, I think he has a chance.

Speaker 4 (17:46):
Yep. Ye. On defense, I think we saw continued good
play from Alex Austin. I think he's really cementing his.

Speaker 5 (17:55):
One of the better players for the Patriots all summer.

Speaker 4 (17:57):
I think he's really cementing and then uh, what's his name?

Speaker 1 (18:03):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (18:05):
This would be good.

Speaker 4 (18:05):
Yeah, this is a good one.

Speaker 5 (18:07):
If I can figure this one out, Let's start with
the position. No, he's I mean he's getting more and
more opportunities to play with frontline players.

Speaker 4 (18:17):
But I don't really see you don't see it.

Speaker 5 (18:20):
I don't think he's ready. But there's something going on
that's something we can talk about in this show. Certainly
there's something going on with with Kyle Duggar where they're
not happy with him because he is going down the
debth the wrong way on the depth chart, and Woodson
is I think it's just a case of, you know,
he's the rookie and they're looking to get him, you know,
a role. But I didn't. I didn't love I didn't

(18:44):
love the game. But I'm more concerned with practice than games.
I say that all the time.

Speaker 4 (18:49):
I had a fly on the wall during your production meeting.
Oh and I heard that you were very high on
DJ James.

Speaker 9 (18:57):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (18:57):
Yeah, I was very high on DJ James.

Speaker 4 (19:01):
And he had a good game.

Speaker 5 (19:02):
Yeah. You know. The unfortunate thing for him is it
looked like he pulled a hamstring on Sunday. He left
practice early, did not practice Monday. Hopefully he can get
out there and practice against the Vikings tomorrow and Thursday.
But yeah, he's been one of I compared him on
the broadcast to the way we looked at Malcolm Butler
in fourteen. Yeah, like just this unknown guy, undrafted rookie,

(19:26):
don't know a lot about, but we just keep seeing
him out there with frontline guys. Now there's been no
Gonzo and no Carlton Davis virtually every practice, so your
best two corners haven't played, so now you're starting with
three and four. DJ James is out there as like
four a lot. Yeah, Alex Austin, you saw a little
bit of Marcellus Dial then he got hurt. He's out

(19:47):
for the year. He's on IR with a torn acl
So there's an opportunity for some depth pieces at corner.
DJ James, in my view, has been the best one
of those guys. Miles Battle has shown up a little
bit as well, but DJ James, I think has been
the most consistent. And then all of a sudden, Jason
mccorty is talking about him and he comes up with
a pick in the game. So you'd like to see

(20:09):
if he can continue. Now this is a guy who
is playing with the frontline players, So like we talked
about Chisholm, you'd like to see him get more opportunities
with starters. James is showing, you know, he's covering digs
in you know, those guys that practice every day. So
he has gotten an opportunity to play with the starters,
and I think he's taken advantage of it.

Speaker 4 (20:30):
Richard and Attleborough writes in the preseason color commentary with
the McCarty's and Zolec was great. However, after halftime, the
stream through Patriots dot com website for some reason lost
to all audio and seemed to be from an internal
camera without the Bob score. Not sure if this was
only my stream needing a reload? Did any other Patriots
fans notice this? On a related note, will it be

(20:50):
possible for us to watch the game with the mccordy
twins and Zolac for all of the regular season games
this year now? To find their commentary much more enjoyable. No, mccordy's,
hadds have real jobs.

Speaker 5 (21:03):
Jason's on NBC. Jason is, Yes, Devin is on NBC
Sunday Night. Sunday Night in America. What Football Night in America,
That's what it's called. So he's part of their pregame show.
And Jason is one of the CBS's color analysts. You know,
I don't know which Andrew Catalan, I think is his play.

Speaker 4 (21:24):
You know, I was on the blog and people were like, oh,
you know, I'm out of New England. I can't watch
the game on the app. How can I watch the game?
And I said, you know, you really can't. And then
I've come to find out that the game was on
YouTube anywhere, like anyone could watch this game on YouTube.
I had no idea. I had no idea. It was

(21:44):
supposed to me. No, but like like so I sent
somebody sent the Lincoln. I sent it out so people.

Speaker 6 (21:50):
Could watch like the Patriots YouTuber.

Speaker 4 (21:52):
Uh, you know what. I didn't get a chance, but
don't check. So if anyone like, like I didn't know
that that was an option, not.

Speaker 5 (22:02):
Sure if so out of town. So this game is
going to be Saturday afternoons.

Speaker 4 (22:07):
This no, no, this isn't a national game.

Speaker 5 (22:11):
This one will be the same like Patriots preseason television network.
So I don't know. Maybe freak can shoot you another wink.
But then the last one is going to be Amazon
on Amazon, so that'd be available to anybody. Yeah, I
mean if you have Amazon.

Speaker 4 (22:26):
P right, that's a national game.

Speaker 5 (22:28):
Yep, no, no, Polly on that one. No national games.

Speaker 4 (22:34):
Well that's right. We're not producing that right.

Speaker 5 (22:38):
And that won't be on Saturday, but that's for a
different reason.

Speaker 4 (22:41):
Joe and Vermont. About the Brady live stream, he said
the live stream on YouTube was great. There was some
nice close ups of the statue and face, as well
as some crowd shots so we could see Rabel. There
were a couple seconds of people on the hot mic
after the Brady speech, but luckily nothing that needs public apology.
Great win and post game show, keep up the great work. Yeah,

(23:02):
that's right. We we debuted Claudia on the postgame show too,
Claudia Bellafato. So new addition? Is it photo bell photo?

Speaker 6 (23:12):
No?

Speaker 5 (23:12):
I think it's belle fato. It's just he kind of
accented the tea there, like.

Speaker 4 (23:19):
Newton blado.

Speaker 7 (23:22):
B.

Speaker 5 (23:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (23:27):
Again, I'm gonna text her and get the phonetic pronunciation.

Speaker 5 (23:31):
Okay, but I just didn't you think you said bella
fato like it have just sounded funny, put.

Speaker 6 (23:36):
A little juice on it.

Speaker 5 (23:37):
You just say, well, you know, you like really enunciated
every syllable properly. All right, Well, it's good, well done, Fred,
well done.

Speaker 6 (23:45):
It's a fun name. She's having fun with it.

Speaker 4 (23:47):
Yeah, I'm getting used to the name and Claudia. I
thought she, you know, had a good personality, kind of
mixed it up with us pretty well, and I think
she'll get better as she gets to know us and
feels more comfortable with us. So looking forward to that.
Although she won't be here for the vikings.

Speaker 5 (24:06):
Everybody's just taking games off now.

Speaker 4 (24:08):
She's got a pre planned wedding that she needs to
go to. You young kids with your weddings.

Speaker 5 (24:12):
Yeah, on the special treat for everybody this week, Mike
and Evan on the pre and postgame show. And so
Mike might not even be able to talk.

Speaker 4 (24:20):
You're coming in.

Speaker 5 (24:21):
Yeah, wow, So this is what happens the whole show
falls apart. They need multiple people to replace me. No,
I am not. I'm actually going to be taking my son.

Speaker 6 (24:31):
To call flattering himself.

Speaker 4 (24:33):
Well, this was what I do.

Speaker 5 (24:35):
No one else does.

Speaker 4 (24:36):
You got to do that. So Evan's going to actually
come back after joint practices on Friday. Yeah, Mike both yeah,
come both of them. So the commercial Yeah, oh.

Speaker 7 (24:45):
They got to get back or I'm hosting it back
so that.

Speaker 4 (24:49):
They can be part of the postgame show.

Speaker 5 (24:51):
So it's say one o'clock. So it's well e eleven
forty five postgame, not pre game eleven forty five to
twelve forty five. All right, so looking for that'll be
a special treat. You know, Mike will introduce the show
and then you know, you know, Everni'll talk and maybe
Mike and Tis will get to talk later.

Speaker 6 (25:09):
Maybe not, we'll Evan will probably be hilarious in that
postgame dynamic.

Speaker 4 (25:15):
He's never done the post game before.

Speaker 5 (25:18):
Yeah, no, he's uh, yeah, he hasn't. He hasn't been
part of.

Speaker 6 (25:22):
Especially if it's a win. Evan after a win is
really funny.

Speaker 7 (25:25):
He's just buzzing, even the preseastuff. I mean, if it's
like last last week, he was in a great mood
last week, well, he's never seen that many points score here.

Speaker 5 (25:35):
It was in a great I'm gonna I'm gonna peel
back the curtain here a little bit. He was in
a great mood last week because quote, it was one
of the three best days of his life when he
went out and saw the statue.

Speaker 6 (25:45):
Oh that's why, and it just carried.

Speaker 7 (25:46):
Over to me and so get the other two his
his wedding and the TV.

Speaker 5 (25:52):
He did not specify what the others were.

Speaker 7 (25:54):
I assume one of them.

Speaker 5 (25:57):
I'm not getting him in trouble for something he didn't do.

Speaker 7 (26:01):
I think it will throw a bone and we'll say
the wedding.

Speaker 4 (26:03):
I think it was the day that he first got
his subscription to p f.

Speaker 6 (26:06):
F and then the day Josh Allen acknowledged his existence.

Speaker 5 (26:11):
We also had trouble getting the video after the game,
like you couldn't get the film. Oh yeah, on Saturday.
It was very upset.

Speaker 4 (26:18):
No man, Uh, let's go to Jack and Maldon. Who's
on the hotline. What's up Jack?

Speaker 10 (26:28):
Hey, y, gentlemen, ladies ticket home? My father before the beginning.

Speaker 8 (26:35):
In the sixties. Wow, nice and witnessed a lot that
the craft took over there. They really put in a winning,
uh you know situation. But I gotta say also, at
the same hand, we're putting in the highest prices in
the whole NFL, the tickets, right.

Speaker 10 (26:56):
We sall have sixty down a flour. What do you think, God,
you cut any ideas to what we can do to
keep it from the genuine to climb and make it
reads the point I mean, I like to give them
out in the neighborhood to They can't afford them to
go to these camps anymore.

Speaker 4 (27:12):
You know, I know it's a problem. I mean it's
not just a problem here, it's a problem all in sports.

Speaker 5 (27:17):
And all aspects of the economy. Like the prices aren't
going down.

Speaker 4 (27:23):
Are we the highest in the NFL?

Speaker 5 (27:25):
I don't think that's accurate.

Speaker 4 (27:27):
Well maybe maybe when you include the food.

Speaker 5 (27:30):
And I mean, I mean, I'm not going to try
to sugarcoat it. They're one of the more expensive. I mean,
I think the New York's are more expensive, and I
think San Francisco might be more expensive. But yeah, I
mean get the point. No, I know it's not going
the other way.

Speaker 4 (27:43):
Yeah, the problem. You know, if the team stinks for
a long time, maybe the price will go down. But
you don't want that, you know.

Speaker 5 (27:49):
So I was not informed of this. There's a new
addition day in Boston.

Speaker 7 (27:53):
Jack Well, I just saw that with the commander. Is
like their prices are going way up because the season
they had last year. But that's what it takes where
the team's good gonna happen.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
Well, they also need to grease those skids because they're
going to be building into the stadium, So those prices
are gonna be whoo way up, yep, way up. So
they want to soften that blow.

Speaker 5 (28:11):
Hung its thirty. If you're going New Addition Day, August
thirty in Boston, you want to come, I'm a newfield truck.
I might have to drive in for that.

Speaker 8 (28:20):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (28:21):
Eldred's in North Carolina? What's up? Eldred?

Speaker 10 (28:24):
Hey, Hey Alex, Hey Aldred.

Speaker 11 (28:26):
We've got to blow the horn. But I'm getting loaded
and the going to jump like trades.

Speaker 4 (28:31):
Okay, so you're getting loaded. You was getting loaded.

Speaker 6 (28:36):
He's not getting loaded. He's loading the.

Speaker 4 (28:37):
True Come off the truck. Are you allowed to come
off the truck? Or do you have to stay on
the truck when they're loading?

Speaker 11 (28:43):
Stay in the truck On most places, Yeah, in some
places they make you come inside, take take your wallet
and all the stuff.

Speaker 4 (28:51):
Yeah, okay, what are you hauling this week? Well?

Speaker 11 (28:57):
Won't this week? Yeah, I'm gonna be like Mike, I
won't drink. Show that killer instinct. He showed enough, gonna
I want to show that killer instinct. You know, go
beeple are gonna come after will come after him, And
I just want to see what he made up.

Speaker 4 (29:14):
You think Flora's is gonna come after him.

Speaker 11 (29:17):
Oh he came up he last week here.

Speaker 5 (29:21):
Yeah, so that's the thing, and there was a lot
you know, I'm glad Elder brought that up because it's
a little different for a joint practice against that kind
of a scheme, because that's the way Minnesota plays. They
play kind of an unorthodox style defensively and they're very aggressive.
So it's not like Ryan Floor is considered and say well,
we're just gonna go vanilla. Well, that doesn't do that
any good. That's not how they play. You have to

(29:43):
practice like you play, right, So I do think that
they put a little bit more attention on preparing for
some of the things they'll see with with the Vikings
than they normally would heading into a you know, practice.
And Garrett Bradbury talked about it. Obviously he spent a
lot of years with Minnesota.

Speaker 4 (30:01):
Say that, yeah, go ahead, No, he mentioned that he's
seen you know, he was obviously with the Vikings for
a number of years. He's seen teams come in for
joint practices without a plan.

Speaker 5 (30:10):
Get embarrassed, right, right, So I don't expect the Patriots
to get embarrassed because I think that they'll be more prepared.

Speaker 4 (30:16):
As I was walking here going they were on the
lower fields and doing a walkthrough and look like they
were running off cards.

Speaker 5 (30:22):
And yeah, they were definitely running off cards yesterday too.
So I do think I don't want to say they
don't ever run off cards before preseason games, but I
think they might be a little bit more attention to
it for this particular one, because as I said, Flores
is a little bit different than most. Yeh, most schemes.

Speaker 4 (30:41):
Yeah, go ahead, okay, one more?

Speaker 11 (30:44):
Hey, wow, you keep me and you'll got John Giles
on the rock. Tray Bon put them both our rest
of the year.

Speaker 5 (30:55):
For John Giles, put him on I R did you say,
no Pope on our Oh? I mean I think that
could happen. Yeah, I think that could happen. I just
I would go with five receivers and put you know
the I. I like John Giles, I really do, and
he was on the practice squad a little bit last year.
I would keep him around, and I would keep Left

(31:16):
and Chisholm around too, you know, as developmental guys where.

Speaker 11 (31:21):
You get Chism and Pope not forcuse me, Chissm and
Jibs and Baked on the rock put those two an
hour or trade one pop on hour.

Speaker 8 (31:31):
That's how big.

Speaker 5 (31:33):
Yeah, but you still have the other five guys that
aren't going anywhere in my view, you know, Diggs, Douglas, Booty,
William Hollins and Williams. Those five guys, you still have
five receivers, no one. None of those guys are going anywhere,
so seven would well, they could go seven if they

(31:53):
want to, But I don't think that's a good use
of roster space, to be honest with you. I think
you could put those five on the roster and put
Chisholm in Giles on the prout. You have sixteen spots
on the practice squad. I think that's where you and
you figure out game the game. You might have a
matchup that you like more than others. Maybe a guy
gets banged up. You know, we haven't seen Digs yet
really you know, in the in the game, so maybe

(32:17):
there's you know, starting him a little bit slower in
terms of contact because I you know, remember he didn't
come out right away in the joint practice with Washington,
shortened his load.

Speaker 6 (32:28):
That'll be the case in Minnesota too.

Speaker 5 (32:30):
So if they're not everybody's up to speed, then maybe
that's what you do. You start, you know, adding some
guys to the roster like Chisholm, to get some extra depth.

Speaker 4 (32:40):
William Lancaster says, I have to write in to give
father fred as flowers for the oracle that he provided.
On Saturday, August ninth, a seventy yard field goal was
made in preseason action by Jacksonville, as had been predicted
connection with the divine but in all serieses, I saw
this highlight on my feet. I immediately thought of Fred's
prediction that a seventy yard goal field goal would soon

(33:02):
be made. Did you say that I did when we
were talking about the last show.

Speaker 7 (33:07):
Yeah, it's crazy. That doesn't count in my mind, Like,
what shouldn't count?

Speaker 4 (33:12):
Those stats and preseason should count? Seven yard field goals.
It's a it's a practice. If you hit it in practice,
should it count. No, those games are an extension of practice.

Speaker 7 (33:24):
Seventy yards though.

Speaker 4 (33:25):
Yeah, it's great, so we know he has the ability.

Speaker 7 (33:28):
I like that, Yeah, do it.

Speaker 4 (33:29):
In the game.

Speaker 5 (33:29):
I don't remember you saying that. I mean, I'm not
saying you didn't.

Speaker 6 (33:31):
I remember talking about kickers and just how they're advancing
and athletes are advancing.

Speaker 5 (33:35):
Yeah, that's because that's my Oh I've said, I'm a
broken record on that. I don't care who the kicker
is because they're all the same. I've said it all good.

Speaker 4 (33:42):
I said it won't be long before seventy yards.

Speaker 5 (33:44):
I don't think any element of football has improved over
the years as much as kicking.

Speaker 4 (33:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (33:50):
You know, when Fred and I, you know, were kids
watching football games, it was like fifty to fifty yeah,
like anything, like yeah, you never knew if a guy
was going to make one. Now it's like special, he said,
be if a guy kicked a fifty yard or you'd
stop the presses. Right now, it's like out to sixteen.

Speaker 7 (34:08):
Didn't part hit a fifty seven yard?

Speaker 6 (34:10):
And yes, and now the kids have specialized kicking coaches
at high school and it's a means of them getting
to the NFL.

Speaker 5 (34:17):
Right like long stay, they're just so good. Kickers are
so accurate.

Speaker 7 (34:22):
They're going to narrow the goal posts that coming soon.

Speaker 5 (34:24):
So Andy said that. Andy Hart said that yesterday that.

Speaker 4 (34:29):
Raise the upright so that you don't have the guessing.

Speaker 5 (34:31):
I just said, well, why, I said, why should they
you know, you know, Mike Giardi I think said that
he goes time, it's time to narrow the goal post.
I said, why because they're too good? I said, should you,
you know, eliminate the ability to throw five yard passes
because they get completed ninety five percent of the time, right,
you know, screens and dump offs they never go incomplete.
So should you eliminate that because they're too good at it?

(34:54):
He didn't have an answer. It's much like when I
have the arguments by myself. But yeah, I mean, I
think the kicking is just really good.

Speaker 4 (35:03):
Yeah, well, like three point line, you know, isn't there
talk about like either making that back or I've heard
in the past thoughts of raising the rim in NBA
to twelve feet.

Speaker 5 (35:19):
I haven't heard raising the rim. I've heard changing the dimensions.

Speaker 4 (35:23):
Of the court.

Speaker 5 (35:23):
Yeah, to make it bigger, get a little bit bigger,
push the three point line back a little bit.

Speaker 4 (35:29):
I've heard that. I don't know. Yeah, let's see this is.

Speaker 5 (35:33):
Should be better on that she's big into the Celtic.

Speaker 4 (35:36):
In Virginia and Michigan. I usually agree with Paul, but
perhaps never have I agreed with him more than with
his take last week on In and Out Burger. It's
built up as a life changing experience. But it was
just okay. It was like McDonald's. Of McDonald's was actual food.

Speaker 5 (35:50):
Okay, was made in and out better than McDonald's.

Speaker 6 (35:54):
In and out's a great value. Is the better tasting.

Speaker 4 (35:57):
McDonald's McDonald McDonald's is sow McDonald But.

Speaker 6 (36:00):
You want to get McDonald's consistent. When it's good, it's great.

Speaker 4 (36:05):
The McDonald's is better.

Speaker 5 (36:07):
McDonald's is better than McDonald's.

Speaker 12 (36:09):
I don't know which.

Speaker 7 (36:10):
One the ever McDonald's by the casino top tier.

Speaker 5 (36:13):
Do you know how many times I've been to that
McDonald's how many?

Speaker 12 (36:17):
Fat guy?

Speaker 6 (36:20):
Not lately not lately so good?

Speaker 4 (36:24):
Why is it better than the average McDon.

Speaker 5 (36:26):
Just because it's from casino and teaches probably half in
the bag.

Speaker 6 (36:29):
Yeah, exactly, and everything tastes good at three am.

Speaker 7 (36:33):
It gets the job done. Like the one across from
the stadium, that's a good McDonald's. They're like good McDonald's
and bad McDonald's.

Speaker 4 (36:38):
That's true.

Speaker 6 (36:39):
The soldiers Field McDonald the one you're like.

Speaker 4 (36:43):
I was one of the best McDonald's was in North Reading,
really the Plymouth McDonald's.

Speaker 6 (36:49):
The best one I had was in a Walmart and
a rant in Connecticut. Kind of it was, you know
your Foxwoods are uh Foxwoods or Mohegan and it's a
random Walmart and the McDonald's is inside best.

Speaker 7 (37:00):
The one off mass cast. Don't go to that one.

Speaker 5 (37:03):
Yeah, well that's for different reasons. End up on meth mile.

Speaker 4 (37:08):
Dan also says, was May's lack of passing in last
week's preseason game do more to him or the pass catchers?
Is there any concern that May might play tentatively due
to thinking that the old line is still playing like
it did last season. How long before we and May
can get an accurate sense of the old line's play.

Speaker 5 (37:31):
I think that's I don't know if I understand exactly
what the question is. The first part was about like
the receivers getting open, which I think was a little
bit of an issue. I talked to Evan about this
because he was breaking down the tape, and again we're
talking about fourteen plays. Drake May was on the field
for fourteen plays, So let's not try to paint this

(37:52):
out to be this major area of concern because the
passing game wasn't great. But I asked him what did
he see on those two short throws to Henderson? What
did Evan see downfield, and he didn't see many opportunities.
There was some line of thought on the first run
that he had that maybe Douglas was opened down the
field and he maybe he missed him, and where he

(38:13):
scrambled kind of took took Douglas out of the realm
of possibility. So I thought there was some issues getting
opened right away in the game. I thought the pass
protection was decent. To be honest with you, I wasn't perfect,
like Fred said, and they definitely the two kids got
fooled on that stunt, the te stunt that got to

(38:33):
May on the sack. But I thought he had time
when he there was one in particularly dumped off to Henderson.
Do you remember this tease, A short little one. I
thought he had time. He looked downfield, he kind of
you know, went through his progressions, didn't like anything. It
just dumped it off, took the profit. As Josh McDaniels
used to say, I didn't really have an issue with that.
But yeah, it's going to take some time to trust everything.

(38:56):
And don't forget Diggs wasn't out there.

Speaker 4 (38:58):
Diggs is the best receiver they had right right, and
Hunter Henry wasn't out there.

Speaker 7 (39:03):
Yeah, was the dump off one with Campbell lead blocking
Deli scamper.

Speaker 5 (39:10):
I don't think so. No, I think it was the
other side of the field.

Speaker 4 (39:14):
Santo writes in says I was a little disappointed with
the statue. I did not see it in person, living
over five thousand miles away at Maui, and I'm sure
it is impressive to most, But Brady should be holding
a ball. It's like a minute Man statue when Lexington
without a musket should be holding a ball.

Speaker 5 (39:32):
I kind of agree, but I'm not disappointed. I think
it was good. I think everything about the night was good.
But I would have picked a different post.

Speaker 4 (39:41):
A lot of people agree with you.

Speaker 7 (39:43):
I think they went with the safe option. Like I
said before, like the bars used how to get it right,
and I think they did the I like I.

Speaker 4 (39:51):
The more I thought about it, the more I liked
that they didn't just copy a photo, say okay, here's
a photo, let's just do this. It's it stands on
its own it's its own thing. So you know, like
we were talking, like you think, Bobby, or you think
of one thing to dive. So that's the statue that
they made. But now it becomes the statue is more

(40:12):
the moment than it is the man. You know, let
the man stand on his own.

Speaker 6 (40:18):
Yeah, what's the hour back one? Is that from like
a specific moment or is just him chilling smoking a cigar?

Speaker 4 (40:22):
I love that one too. It's like, what would red
Arbeck look like sitting on a park bench with a cigar?
I think they nailed it.

Speaker 5 (40:29):
Yeah, that was him sitting on the bench after winning championships.
When the game was over, he would light up the cigar.

Speaker 6 (40:34):
Yeah, but like, is it an iconic particular picture. Is
it just like he? That was him?

Speaker 5 (40:39):
I think it was him, But I don't know enough
about each individual year that they won all those titles.
I didn't obviously it wasn't even alive.

Speaker 7 (40:47):
But the helmet off limits your options too if you do.

Speaker 5 (40:49):
Yeah, I would have had the helmet on. I like,
I like him standing in the pocket throwing a pass.

Speaker 6 (40:55):
But then you can see pretty his faces.

Speaker 5 (40:57):
Sure you can really though.

Speaker 6 (40:59):
Yeah, it covers his bone structure, and that's kind of
a big thing.

Speaker 7 (41:05):
Him sitting on the bench for fifty one, that'd be going.
Helmet off should have been next to him.

Speaker 5 (41:11):
He should have been while he was delivering the the
honor speech. Yeah, that would have been iconic. There you go,
who's honor your arm? Just give me what happened when
I'm looking for next time? Made me drag it out
of you? Josh in Atlanta.

Speaker 4 (41:30):
Friday's postgame show gave us a new drinking game, take
a shot every time Fred Suddley mentions Chi to get
under Paul's skin.

Speaker 5 (41:38):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (41:39):
I counted at least uh safe to say I had
a boozy evening. Also, I think I've been promised three
T shirts in the last year, matist. Please do me
a solid and ship one my way.

Speaker 7 (41:50):
I will ship you three.

Speaker 4 (41:51):
I'll donate the other two to Christian in La. He
needs the wardrobe update, Emil your address.

Speaker 6 (41:57):
I got this pile going right?

Speaker 4 (41:59):
Why does he need three?

Speaker 7 (42:02):
Maybe?

Speaker 4 (42:04):
Uh? Speaking of Christian christ with a T, I a
N in Boston is on the line. What's up, Christian,
the real Christian?

Speaker 11 (42:12):
Hello?

Speaker 4 (42:13):
Hello, the original og Christian.

Speaker 9 (42:16):
That's right, I made my balls while Christian La was shopping.

Speaker 10 (42:19):
A Lulu Levin.

Speaker 4 (42:20):
That's right.

Speaker 9 (42:24):
That that was a lot of fun Friday all the
way around. Brady post game show, the game itself, It's
fun again. It's fun again. You have hope.

Speaker 6 (42:36):
That's a great way to put it.

Speaker 9 (42:37):
Forwards, watching these games and you look at you know,
you look at all the players, you look at Henderson's
dotting the game off like you did with the kickoff return.

Speaker 10 (42:44):
It was great.

Speaker 9 (42:46):
I went to the joint practice flash on there with Patty.
That energy was there. You guys mentioned it. You know,
place was jammed, and it's fifth grade. It's a great
failing and it's gonna be fun when we get to
the in January this year and the games. I'm hopeful
it won't matter, and I really think they will, so

(43:06):
just all the way around really great. And it's you know,
went back, baby, went back. We hadn't won a game yet.

Speaker 7 (43:11):
We're baby.

Speaker 4 (43:13):
Yeah, all right, Christian, thanks for calling in. You're good, Bud,
appreciate it. Rick and Dallas writes in, just wanted to
drop an email about an article I was reading last
week on musket Fire. I found it on Bleacher Report.
About halfway through the article, they quoted Evan Lazar as
a topanalyst for Patriots dot Com and I just wanted
to congratulate Evan on ascending to elite status in the media.

(43:38):
I'm just waiting for Evan to start rolling into the
podcast twenty to thirty minutes late, wearing sunglasses and some
kind of fur boa. He'll have an entourage of lackeys
shuffling around him, bringing water in various fruits. He'll probably
spend most of the podcast on his phone negotiating book
deals and movie rights to his life. Of course, I'm
picking on him a little bit. It was just fun

(43:59):
reading through an article in finding such a gushing ramp
up to his quote, PS, please try to fix the sound.
You guys are quiet on YouTube, and every time it
cuts to an AD break, which is frequently, the jump
in volume practically breaks my speakers. We can't control those.
Those ad breaks on YouTube come from YouTube. They don't
come from us.

Speaker 7 (44:20):
So do you YouTube, We.

Speaker 5 (44:24):
Don't frequently cut to ad breaks, No, we have one.

Speaker 12 (44:26):
No, but YouTube does I know what you're talking about?

Speaker 4 (44:30):
So sorry about that though, And they say, well, I
do other things, and all right, we're not good. You know,
listen to it on patries dot com.

Speaker 5 (44:39):
Why are you allowed to argue with yourself? But when
I do it, i''s frowned upon.

Speaker 4 (44:44):
Because I'm insane. There's a piece of paper that says
I'm insane somewhere I think we know clinically, Yeah, exactly
what else?

Speaker 5 (44:55):
Quick response? Huh quick response, Oh.

Speaker 4 (45:00):
So we'll have to wait because Mike and Puerto Rico's first.
What's up? Mike, Hey, guys, how you're doing good?

Speaker 9 (45:09):
The Prince.

Speaker 13 (45:10):
I'll kind of an off.

Speaker 14 (45:11):
The topic question.

Speaker 9 (45:13):
I have all of the three Games to Glory DVDs,
I mean productions, because some of them are DVDs and
some of them are Blu Ray. Is there any way
to get those.

Speaker 10 (45:26):
Streaming or on a download?

Speaker 13 (45:29):
Because right now, like I.

Speaker 14 (45:30):
Used to like to watch the games, I mean the
DVDs right before the season, but now I don't.

Speaker 13 (45:36):
Even have a DVD, so I can't even.

Speaker 9 (45:38):
Get into those anymore.

Speaker 4 (45:39):
I hear you.

Speaker 14 (45:40):
Have you guys ever considered that?

Speaker 4 (45:41):
I know the last two were made as downloads?

Speaker 9 (45:44):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (45:46):
Those were availed, Those were made available as downloads.

Speaker 9 (45:51):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (45:52):
So the ones prior, I don't know, what's that.

Speaker 11 (45:57):
I would re purchase it at the package if you
guys put it out.

Speaker 4 (46:00):
See. The problem with Three Games to Glory is the
Patriots don't own the distribution rights to that. Yeah, because
it's all NFL films and all that. So the distribution rights.
I can't remember, but it's like one of those big organizations.
I don't think it was Turner, but it's so you know,

(46:23):
the Patriots can't just all of a sudden make it
available by download. But what I would do is talk
to talk to some tech genius. You can take those
DVDs and you can upload and yeah, yeah you can
rip them and just save them to your hard drive.

Speaker 5 (46:39):
That but can't you even get like a DVD player
for like twenty bucks?

Speaker 4 (46:43):
Now, yeah you can't.

Speaker 5 (46:44):
Like he's easy, yeah, you know, just have it just
to play your Patriots DVDs.

Speaker 6 (46:51):
I think they're services that do that too, Like I
know you can do it with like home DVD, like
home video DVDs and VHS's you can have them digitized.
So yeah, yes, let me like this is my family
album and it's three Games to Glory.

Speaker 5 (47:04):
Yeah, I got to get the nineteen eighty six North
Shore League All Star game off a VHS tape that
I have.

Speaker 7 (47:11):
We talked about. That's an awesome way to get prepped
for the season. Just run back all the three games
of glorious. I might do that myself.

Speaker 4 (47:19):
Yeah, I'd like to do another one someday hopefully. Yeah, Freddy,
I'd like to do another one. All right, Christian in La,
what's up Christian? What nonsense do you have for us today?

Speaker 6 (47:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (47:33):
No, no nonsense. You know what I was listening. I
heard you, Paul, the real Christians? I am the real Christians.
And to Christian out in Patriots Lamp, what's up with
the Christian on Christian crime?

Speaker 2 (47:44):
Brother?

Speaker 15 (47:44):
I thought we were supposed to stick together. And no,
I do not need a T shirt because yes, my
little living walldrobe.

Speaker 14 (47:51):
And fine, thank you very much.

Speaker 15 (47:53):
Gosh so onto football. But the statue for Tom, I
would have loved seeing him this uh, you know, let's
go face it when you put this finger figure out
and says let's go, that would be altimate to me.
For Bill's statue. I would love him with the hoodie,
but but do your job written on the front of
the hoodie, you know, and that that famous laugh line

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that that he kind of rent to the Patriots nations.
And then I like this John gild Kit. I would
like to see a lot more of him because of
his size and speed. Is there any chance that I
know you gotta go high on f and chism, But
we don't really need him that we can get John
jobs a little more love and stop coming after Christian
in La.

Speaker 4 (48:34):
Guys out there, all right, thanks Christian, Now this is Christian.
Chris with a T, I A N is the original
Christian I Christian La. We love you. But there's you know,
he's the original. Let's let's face it, come on, come on,
Adam and Louisiana right then. I think the Brady statue
was good. They got his face right, which is the

(48:56):
most important. He didn't end up like Dwayne Wade, so
that's a win to me.

Speaker 5 (49:01):
Absolutely.

Speaker 4 (49:01):
I do think it could have been better if they
went with a more passionate facial expression. I know in
the detailed video of the statue they said they wanted
a stoic expression, but that's not who Brady was. His
whole personality is his passion for the game, and it
seems it's missing. As a side note, he's trying really
hard to be comedic in his speeches, but it just
feels forced. I think he wants to be what Peyton

(49:24):
Manning is, but it's just not him. Okay.

Speaker 5 (49:28):
I think that last taps all around. I think that
last part is some validity too because from bel but
Peyton is pretty good at it, and I don't think
Tom is great at that. I think he tried to go,
you know, like an extension of the roast and it
didn't work.

Speaker 4 (49:46):
Barton poland excited for the joint practices, especially for our defense.
For me, Minnesota has the best defensive infrastructure, roster, plus
coaching around the QB in the whole NFL. If McCarthy
is an adequate quarterback, then I have them as my
favorites to reach the Super Bowl from the NFC. So

(50:07):
it'll be very nice to see how our team looks
against a proper opponent. They did well again ever played
a game. He looks pretty good though. Yeah, I don't
They did well against Washington, but I don't see them
at the same tier as Minnesota talent wise, besides the quarterback,
I think I.

Speaker 5 (50:24):
Think the Minnesota talent is a level up of what
Washington had. But I think JJ McCarthy is unproven. Yeah,
he's never played, never played a single game.

Speaker 7 (50:35):
Has Jefferson been suiting opera kind of just doing the
training camp? Just get me to week one vibes like.

Speaker 5 (50:40):
I don't know, and I also don't know how much
you'll see of Addison because he's going to be suspended
the first few games.

Speaker 7 (50:45):
And then Rondell Moore hurt his knee in the game
last week.

Speaker 5 (50:48):
So but they do you know, the email is right?
The talent for Minnesota is there. I just don't. I
don't know if i'd put them in the Favorite Cat.
I don't think there was talented as Detroit, and I
don't think there is. Probably I think they're on par
with green Bay, but I think that could go either way,
and they're certainly not as talented as Philadelphia in the NFC.

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Would you agree, Fred, I know you have a good
read on these things.

Speaker 4 (51:13):
I'm forwarding Alex an email.

Speaker 6 (51:15):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (51:17):
What was the question?

Speaker 5 (51:18):
I would say that Minnesota is a very talented roster.
I would say I don't know about the quarterback, but
in terms of, you know, in the NFC, I would
put them a notch behind Detroit for sure, probably on
par with Green Bay and certainly behind Philadelphia in terms
of talent right now.

Speaker 4 (51:34):
Yeah, I think San Francisco is going down.

Speaker 5 (51:37):
San Francisco is talented too. That's a good good point.
They'll be back in it this year now. The Rams
I think are in a little like I guess this
was on Twitter now and Stafford again, it doesn't look
like he's practicing today. Backs are those are tricky things.
If he can't go, then they become sort of average. Yeah,
but if he can somehow, you know this is they're

(51:58):
managing this and he's going to be ready to Oh,
the Rams will be heard from too. The Rams came
the closest out of any of them beat in Philadelphia.

Speaker 4 (52:05):
I know. But if you can get really good odds
on Minnesota from to get to the super Bowl, that
would be a good play.

Speaker 5 (52:14):
I don't think they got much of a shot, Okay,
not with an unproven quarterbacks.

Speaker 7 (52:18):
All right, you guys, you'll figure out pretty soon. I
have to be like with it.

Speaker 5 (52:21):
Yeah, no, I mean, listen, they get in the middle
of October and I'll be like, geez, I was worried
for nothing. He looks great, but I don't see it.

Speaker 4 (52:27):
Jacket and Abba, I'm writing to beseech the PU team
to acknowledge that Will Campbell's performance in the first preseason game,
as well as in training camp, has finally dispelled any
lingering doubts about whether Will Campbell is good enough to
play left tackle in the NFL. And deserve to be
picked overall fourth overall. Doesn't it feel great to have

(52:49):
complete confidence in our left tackle? Do you agree? Well?
I guess not. I'm with I'm with Jacket and Arbor.
The kid's gonna be fine.

Speaker 6 (53:02):
I'm very encouraged.

Speaker 5 (53:03):
Watcher of the practices, Yes, I have. Did you hear
him getting screamed at yesterday by the coaches?

Speaker 4 (53:07):
That's fine, You're going to get screamed at. That's all right.
He's going to be perfect.

Speaker 5 (53:11):
I am nowhere near that level of confidence.

Speaker 7 (53:14):
With him lead blocking. That that got me hyped off.

Speaker 4 (53:17):
That we're worried more about pass blocking. And I think
he's going to be good. He's going to be good.

Speaker 5 (53:23):
If you ignore the bad plays, then he will be
good because he's going to make a lot of good
plays too. So if you ignore the bad ones, he's
going to be good.

Speaker 4 (53:30):
He's going to be solid. He's going to be our
left tackle for many, many years.

Speaker 5 (53:35):
I hope you're right. Nothing I've seen yet would tell
me that that's going to.

Speaker 6 (53:40):
Be You're not encouraged, Okay, I'm not.

Speaker 7 (53:44):
What do you give him for camp so far? You're grade.

Speaker 5 (53:50):
Like a C plus.

Speaker 4 (53:51):
I was going to say it be okay, but I
didn't c Plus is closed close enough.

Speaker 7 (53:58):
See he's get the grease.

Speaker 4 (54:01):
I will David bethleehim. How will touches be distributed among
running backs? Could Stevenson's days be a sign of things
to come? Days off? Could his days off be a
sign of things to come? And could west Over play
full back?

Speaker 5 (54:16):
Westover could play full back? Yeah, he's done a lot
of that, especially recently. Stevenson. I don't know what the
deal is the last two days. I thought he ran
really well Friday night about all the running backs Friday night.

Speaker 6 (54:29):
Gibson had a couple of good runs. I think he's
going to fit well in the offense. We didn't see
a lot of like past catching from him, and I
feel like when he came in that's what he was
touted as. So with Josh, I hope, I don't know.
It seems like it's going to change. I feel like
running back is like probably the least of our issues
right now.

Speaker 5 (54:45):
I think it's the strongest group that they have on offense.

Speaker 6 (54:49):
Definitely.

Speaker 5 (54:50):
You know, we were talking about this on one of
my shows yesterday, Freddy, that would be my pick. Running
back is the best position on offense definitely second though,
but I don't know what Stevenson's injury status is right now.
I don't like the idea of Henderson being in a
bigger role than what we what it looks like he's

(55:11):
going to have, which is like, you know, spot plays,
you know, you know, third downs, pass catching, you know,
some occasional runs out of shotguns, you know. I think
maybe toss toss sweeps, you know. I think his speed
to the pylon is going to be evident. He's electrically fast.
I mean, he is unbelievably fast, so they'll use him.

(55:32):
I think he's going to have a really good rookie year.
But I don't like the idea of, well he's better
than Stevenson, what's makeme the number one guy. I don't
want two hundred and fifty carries out.

Speaker 6 (55:40):
I think that's just knee jerk reactions to Henderson's performance
in camp and then what we saw in the game.
But I don't know. I think Remandre could have had
a touchdown early in the game on Friday, he was
wide open in the end zone. And then I think
Drake targeted Austin Hooper and it was incomplete. Hooper was
in coverage, and then it was third and goal and
then Drake en it up running it in any ways,

(56:01):
but that play second and goal, I saw Remondra wide
open and the end zone, so maybe he's targeted. Then
we're not really having this discussion because who knows.

Speaker 4 (56:12):
But Stevenson, Stevens.

Speaker 5 (56:15):
The emails point Gibson looks like he might be inching
toward getting at least as many carries as Stevenson.

Speaker 4 (56:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (56:23):
I think they like that. I think they like what
they've gotten out of Antonio Gibson.

Speaker 4 (56:27):
Yeah, all right, Yeah, I think Gibson is a perfect
compliment to the running back because he can back up either. Yeah,
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Speaker 1 (58:24):
How are we doing?

Speaker 4 (58:25):
Oh? Shoot, as we get going here, how was great?

Speaker 5 (58:28):
Continue to progress in your offense? So just you know,
where do you see him at this point?

Speaker 14 (58:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (58:34):
I think we make progress every day. You know, he's
done a lot of good things. And then, to me,
the greatest part about training camp is you have an
opportunity to see different.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
Things, experience things you've never experienced.

Speaker 18 (58:49):
Either with the group that you're out there with or
within our own system against different defenses.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
Our defense Washington, Minnesota this.

Speaker 18 (58:57):
Week, and all of those to me are super valuable
for us in terms of his growth in the system
and our offense is growth together.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
So just to encouraged by what we're doing every day.
I really like the trajectory that we're on.

Speaker 5 (59:12):
What's the learning it? But like for him, you know,
it's obviously work in progress.

Speaker 7 (59:16):
But you need to go about it.

Speaker 18 (59:18):
Yeah, I mean, he he works extremely hard every day
to be prepared for each practice and he's a quick learner,
that's for sure. And the biggest thing we've tried to
talk about since we got to get on the grass
in the spring, is to try to limit the number
of repeat errors. You know, if we if we make
an air, that's that's not a bad thing, that's a

(59:39):
good thing as long as we learn from it and
don't repeat it again. So he's pretty quick study in
that regard. He's got a great memory. You know, sometimes
when football, things happen one day and they might not
happen again for two three weeks, but you know, you
still got to try to process that in the moment
and do it when it's when it counts. So just

(59:59):
again about him the whole group in terms of their
willingness to learn from their mistakes and then come out
and get better the next day.

Speaker 4 (01:00:07):
To what these guys.

Speaker 10 (01:00:09):
Can do, like you map it out and wrapped it out, and.

Speaker 19 (01:00:12):
Now you've seen whether or not wops or wants.

Speaker 18 (01:00:16):
Yeah, I think so, And I think that will probably
continue to go on through training camp and then usually
that's gonna probably the evolution of what you do with
these guys will continue during the season, especially the first
year together. And so I think we've you know, like
today we're trying some new things with different people, you know,
and now that we have a better understanding of each

(01:00:39):
guy's skill set, how much they can process, who can
play multiple positions, the types of things that they do
well on first and second down maybe different than what
they do well on third down in the red zone,
same thing. So we're just we're really trying to hone
in on what they do well and what they do
best and then continue to try to grow and build
from there.

Speaker 5 (01:01:00):
A quarterback guy Drake and obviously.

Speaker 19 (01:01:02):
Have a lot of technician ability out the difficult position
to sort.

Speaker 5 (01:01:06):
Of prevents him with that fine line which train playing
the hero ball and they just sort of.

Speaker 14 (01:01:13):
Looking to quite another building.

Speaker 5 (01:01:14):
Is that a tough to sort of straddle?

Speaker 18 (01:01:17):
Uh, hopefully it won't be a tough line to straddle.
I think he's still learning, you know, all of those things.
You know, he's like, you know, he's such a gifted athlete,
and I think you know a lot of guys that
play this position that have ability to throw it but
also to move and make place with their legs and

(01:01:38):
extend plays.

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
Uh, they have to find that line themselves.

Speaker 18 (01:01:42):
Honestly, we can tell them all we want, you know,
don't make a bad play, you know what I mean,
And I'm gonna be the first one in the end
zone when he extends a play. And you know, we
all saw the one to pop, you know, early in
training camp, and you know, if I was telling him
to throw that away, I'd have been pissed at myself.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 18 (01:01:58):
So I think you know he's I would say this,
he's definitely more aware as we go into this training
camp and the next practice and all that. You saw
him slide a couple of times the other night, which
was great. So again, there's a there's a fine line
between holding onto the ball too long in certain situations
and then doing the right thing to help the team.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
And those of those guys.

Speaker 18 (01:02:20):
That were blessed with that ability, uh, they're the ones
that have to go out there and learn how to
do that and balance.

Speaker 20 (01:02:25):
It the way he was able to create this Like
last year Draft was was a real threat for that offense.
Do you have like a number in mind for you
or Mike or both that like, Okay, we don't want
to see this in terms of carries for him, because
then we might be asking for trouble.

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
Yeah, I think, I mean, we don't have that.

Speaker 18 (01:02:42):
We haven't talked about that, but I think you know,
he had four hundred and some yards rushing last year
on no designed runs, you know. So I think the
reality is is, you know, those loose plays are hard
to predict when they're going to come up. You know,
like the other night, we didn't call a pass play
for him to scramble for a first down, but he
did and it was a good play. So I think

(01:03:02):
he just has to understand when there's nothing there and
he has an opening, you know, what to do with
the ball. I think he's really improving in that area
and understanding his value to the team is when he's healthy.
And so I think that's what we're all talking about.
So players that have the ability to do both, uh,
they have to be smart about it because when coach
ray Ballways says, you know, we're going.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
To protect the team, you know what I mean?

Speaker 18 (01:03:24):
And whether that you play running back and you protect
the ball, or you make a great decision off the field,
or you're the quarterback and you scramble and you decide
to slide, you know, all of those things are protecting
the team. And so I think Drake is definitively looking
to try to do that, you know, every time he has.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
The ball in his hands.

Speaker 4 (01:03:47):
What are your thoughts on it? And running context their mind?

Speaker 18 (01:03:52):
Think, yeah, I've never done it, doesn't mean that I
wouldn't do it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
I think it depends on if you feel like you
need that.

Speaker 18 (01:04:03):
To gain additional inertia and move the ball forward. Obviously,
the Eagles are exceptional at it and have been for
a few years now. I don't dislike to play again.
I think each team is probably gonna make their own decision.
One thing I think it is is it's not an
easy play to practice in full pads and get good

(01:04:25):
at because we're obviously not going to create a bunch
of scrums on the practice field with our own defense,
you know, and risk injuries and those kind of things.
So you're gonna have to find creative ways to do
that if you're going to do it. And I'm sure
defending it is much the same conversation. You know, how
do we defend this if we're not allowed to dive
at the center's legs and you know what I mean,
all the things that defenses try to do to stop it.

(01:04:46):
So you know, we'll look at everything that may help
our team win, and you know, certainly Rapes will make
the final decision on things like that, or.

Speaker 21 (01:04:54):
You've been asked this before, But when it comes to
the risk reward nature of Drake's game, specifically when it
comes to extending plays, is there anything you found yourself
having to do differently as a coach, knowing you've coached
a lot of quarterbacks, but perhaps not one with this
particular skill.

Speaker 18 (01:05:08):
Not really, because I think you as a coach, you
have to coach each play as if they're not going
to run past the quarterback and give him a lane
to take off and run with the ball. I think
that's kind of a happening, if you know what I mean.
It's you know, you happen to It's like a hole
in one in golf, you know what I mean. Like

(01:05:28):
none of us are hitting it to go in the hole,
but sometimes I haven't never done it, but every once
in a while to go in and you'll go, wow,
that was great, you know what I mean. So I
think to me, when he scrambles, hopefully it's under the
right circumstances. I thought you saw him the other night
and a few of those things hang in the pocket
and do the right thing, you know. So we have
to coach as if the defense is going to play
good defense, and we're going to need to maintain our

(01:05:50):
posture as a passer and and try to find the
open receivers, which I think he's done a great job of.
And again in training camp, it's hard to simulate those
things because you know, we don't run with the ball
a whole lot, you know, and scramble and all the
rest of it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
So we'll see it'll be a work in progress during
the season.

Speaker 6 (01:06:08):
Previews, and I know it's touched up with more of
a special teams.

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
Play, but just what kind of like what did you
we count that as an offensive?

Speaker 20 (01:06:14):
What did you see on that play?

Speaker 18 (01:06:15):
And just what kind of like grant weapon on Yeah,
I mean it's uh. I think everybody sees Trevion the
same way. You know, he's, first of all, he's a
tremendous kid, awesome individual, really hard worker, smart kid, can
process a lot of information, which allows you as a
coach to try to use him in the ways that

(01:06:36):
he should be used. Explosive, you know, I think we
all saw that the other night, and tough physical. So
I have many negatives to say about Trey, you know,
but excited to coach him.

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
He he, We've had some.

Speaker 18 (01:06:50):
Really good players with skill sets that are somewhat like his,
maybe nobody quite as fast as you know, Vereen was
probably the fast. Him and Danny Woodhead where fast, but
Trayveon's fast fast, So excited to be with them, like, yeah,
we've seen he's seen plenty and and now he's putting
it on tape too. So we use a lot of

(01:07:12):
practice film to review what we what we can do better.
And you know, obviously we have some things we can
use from the past, but certainly trying to get these
guys to do with their own selves.

Speaker 20 (01:07:21):
Seems like rule changes.

Speaker 5 (01:07:22):
At Cookboks and made screens a little bit more difficult
to run. The beat life, what's the key to being
able to practice?

Speaker 4 (01:07:26):
And next screed goes on a highway.

Speaker 18 (01:07:28):
I think you needed practice them at full speed. So
whether it's in a joint practice or some type of
a scrimmage situation, I think those are always good. And
then you know, we called a few in the game
the other night just to it's hard to it's hard
to simulate that in shells without a full speed rush
and all the rest of it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
When the when the rushers have to pull off the quarterback.
You know, it's not the same.

Speaker 18 (01:07:49):
So I think, you know, as many of those as
we can practice and work on, I think that's the
best situations. Hopefully we can run a few here this
week against Minnesota, see how they go, but coaching off
of them, and then when we get to the regular season,
obviously we'll have an opportunity to do it against real
competition each week and hopefully we know what we're trying
to get out of the play. The lack of cutting

(01:08:10):
and all that, I mean, it kind of goes both ways.
You know, they're not allowed to cut us on tosses
and all that, we're not allowed to cut them on screen,
so you know, even out it evens out at the end, got.

Speaker 4 (01:08:20):
Two rookies on the left side.

Speaker 19 (01:08:22):
I think our good friend Mike Reeves had a stat
hasn't been done in twenty five years to start the season.
What is giving you the confidence that those two guys
can handle what it's about to come their way?

Speaker 10 (01:08:32):
Now?

Speaker 18 (01:08:33):
I think you know, the way they work every day
certainly is that's where it's where it starts, you know,
and their performance, you know they've earned that right This
isn't something that somebody just you know, said, well, it's
going to do that without watching them in practice and
evaluating what's best for the team. So, you know, I
think certainly Mike has the it makes those decisions, and

(01:08:57):
we're all here to try to support the guys that
are in there and try to improve their their skill
set each day.

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
But I think they've performed admirably.

Speaker 18 (01:09:05):
Uh, there's going to be some things they're going to
learn throughout the course of every game, every practice, and
our job is to help them improve.

Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
And so uh that's what we're gonna do.

Speaker 18 (01:09:14):
Uh, We're not gonna get frustrated with a mistake here
or there, and we're going to make sure that we
try to do everything we can to help them get better.
And uh, so far, those guys have made progress steadily
throughout the course of their time here.

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Speaker 5 (01:09:36):
Martell Us Pennant nopout.

Speaker 12 (01:09:39):
I care deeply about my charitable foundation.

Speaker 4 (01:09:43):
That could be right? What Eric, who doesn't know?

Speaker 20 (01:09:46):
Yeah, never mind?

Speaker 12 (01:09:48):
Why never mind?

Speaker 4 (01:09:49):
Eric and I have a slutty cat and I like
to eat sawdust.

Speaker 5 (01:09:55):
What Eric Sclevano Sluody cat good, Cody good.

Speaker 4 (01:10:02):
Screw your Cody.

Speaker 5 (01:10:03):
I didn't know about your cat.

Speaker 12 (01:10:04):
Yeah, he doesn't let the cat in. I mean that's
the problem. It's not really his cat. Do let her in,
but it's not your cat, stray. I just take care
of it. But why don't you just take her in?
I do let her in.

Speaker 4 (01:10:18):
No, I mean make her your cat, make you your cat.
I don't mean just like f Cody.

Speaker 5 (01:10:24):
If you were here, I would beat the crap on
it now, you know, like great game, Cody.

Speaker 4 (01:10:28):
Good job, like he's trying to play you know, you know, yeah,
either board games with him.

Speaker 12 (01:10:34):
I mean, make you shut up, to make the cat yours.

Speaker 4 (01:10:37):
Give the cat a home.

Speaker 12 (01:10:39):
She has a home.

Speaker 4 (01:10:40):
She got chewed up ears.

Speaker 12 (01:10:41):
Well, you called her.

Speaker 5 (01:10:45):
And now she.

Speaker 4 (01:10:46):
Lives in my house.

Speaker 12 (01:10:47):
She lives in your house now, So you did take
her in, yes years ago, Fred, Okay, that's what he cares.

Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
He got her the shop.

Speaker 4 (01:10:55):
What's the cat's name? That's not going You don't have
a name because you didn't take it.

Speaker 12 (01:10:59):
I didn't have a name. I do have a name.
I've told you before, and you all like Meg, what
is it?

Speaker 4 (01:11:05):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:11:05):
Mozart Mozart Mittens.

Speaker 4 (01:11:11):
Which which which movement of.

Speaker 7 (01:11:16):
I hate you all? That's another great moment.

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Speaker 5 (01:12:23):
You know it's amazing way that Eric never killed you
and me?

Speaker 4 (01:12:27):
Well, don't you know that they those grudges don't go away.

Speaker 5 (01:12:32):
It's like listening, like you're like really just hammering away
at him, and he.

Speaker 4 (01:12:37):
Why, Like, why can't he just say I took the
cat in.

Speaker 5 (01:12:42):
He's an enigma.

Speaker 4 (01:12:44):
Why does everything have to be like this.

Speaker 6 (01:12:47):
Cat just just it's like he's trying to close himself
off to being made fun of, and then by doing
so over and over and over and again, and then
he finally gives it to you, and then it just
it's worse than it would you think.

Speaker 7 (01:13:00):
The cat still there?

Speaker 5 (01:13:03):
Yeah, probably, he.

Speaker 6 (01:13:04):
Said three years ago.

Speaker 4 (01:13:05):
Well they don't last forever.

Speaker 5 (01:13:06):
But I can't see him just getting rid of the cat. No,
you know, I don't know. Maybe the cat was old
when he found. I don't know my cats getting up there,
you can tell. And he's not dealing with he knows
changes coming in the house. He can tell.

Speaker 4 (01:13:20):
Yeah, they don't like that. Yeah, Pat Nagawam, Good afternoon, fred.
I just wanted to give you props on the hiring
of Claudia as the pre and postgame show host. She
was insightful and kept the train rolling on both shows.
I thought she also had good banter between you, Pauli
and Duce, especially towards the end of the postgame show.

(01:13:40):
We all know you're the king makers. Could you also
possibly be a queen maker? Well? There was Eric that
was I didn't say that, Patty did. Uh? You see
how everything ties together, right, It's good. There's a float

(01:14:02):
of the show Nathan in New York. Fred, My biggest
takeaway from preseason week one is that I like the
foundation you're building for the pre and postgame show. We
learned that the new show host is a sharp She
learned how to manufacture a good Paul and Fred argument,
and Paul forced her to participate in the good, the Bad,

(01:14:22):
and the injured when she tried to pull in no
socks and read emails instead of having her own list,
stay on her about that. She's got to be part
of the show. I don't want her just reading emails
and to right, I'm just saying, keep it up. Don't
let her pass it off like I want her to
have an opinion, right. We don't want any stiff, no

(01:14:46):
stiff professional host. On one critique, Claudia was curious on
multiple occasions during the pre and postgame show, and Narius
sniff or chuckle from the PU reg Mike and Paul,
we are counting on you to set the culture for
the upcoming season. Please do better.

Speaker 5 (01:15:07):
So it's going to be a problem.

Speaker 4 (01:15:08):
No, no being curious.

Speaker 5 (01:15:09):
He recognizes the problems before they happen.

Speaker 4 (01:15:11):
That's good. No being curious. So good stuff. Though, let's see.
Ivan says there's zero chance Chisholm makes it to the
practice squad. He needs to be on the fifty three.
I thought he was gonna say, right right, Born is cooked.
We need to find a suitor or cut him. Also,

(01:15:32):
as talented May is from a physical standpoint, his propensity
to channel his inner David Krieg is troublesome. Craig Craig.

Speaker 5 (01:15:42):
Okay, uh, you never heard of Dave Craig. Yeah you
only he played quarterback broke twenty years in the NFL.

Speaker 4 (01:15:49):
I was spelled that way.

Speaker 5 (01:15:51):
I remember Dave Craig small hands. Yeah, that's I think
what he's talking about.

Speaker 4 (01:15:55):
Yeah, fumbled a lot. He had a problem with that.

Speaker 5 (01:15:58):
He had a lot of fumbles.

Speaker 4 (01:15:59):
Yeah yeah. Oh. Patrick in Ottawa backs you up, says
the Walmart McDonald's are legendary in Canada. Really, I guess
they're really popular in Canada.

Speaker 6 (01:16:15):
All international Germany. McDonald's is really good. Jason McCarty Munich.
I went twice, the Guatemala and Ticu, Guatemala. McDonald's is
like the most beautiful thing I've ever seen.

Speaker 5 (01:16:26):
So you just like go to McDonald's.

Speaker 6 (01:16:29):
I think it's every anthropology. You're like learning about the specials.

Speaker 5 (01:16:34):
So go to McDonald's, learn about It's not.

Speaker 6 (01:16:36):
The first place I'm going to eat.

Speaker 5 (01:16:38):
How do I feel like Fred right now?

Speaker 9 (01:16:39):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:16:39):
But it is like, it is interesting how they have
different they handle the same restaurant here because they're a
little bit different, like the one it was much more efficient.

Speaker 7 (01:16:50):
Mcdouball. Yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 6 (01:16:53):
We did a whole taste test in Germany and we
walked out of the McDonald's and it's Jason McCarty and
he's like, what are you guys doing? And really, what
do you mean? He's like, there's all this food you
could eat. You're here in Frankfurt, you get schnitzel, you
can get whatever, and you're at McDonald's. And we had
to explain to him, like the.

Speaker 7 (01:17:11):
Look he gave you, and I said was a chili
cheeseburger from McDonald's. Price duce and I went.

Speaker 5 (01:17:17):
To five guys. I can't make fun of you guys
for going to McDonald's.

Speaker 4 (01:17:22):
Oh that was I defaulted to McDonald's twice in Munich.

Speaker 6 (01:17:27):
I only went once. I tried a lot of the
other food too. There's like really good, really good, whole
all of food in Germany and Kebab's Street meet.

Speaker 5 (01:17:35):
Yeah, it was a couple of different places we went
to that one that you we all went right that
one restaurant. But I forget what I got that night
in Frankfurt.

Speaker 6 (01:17:44):
Yeah, I got like a steak with you said this
though too. I got the truffle steak with apasta.

Speaker 5 (01:17:50):
Was get what I got?

Speaker 6 (01:17:52):
That's the night that there was the red wine incident.

Speaker 5 (01:17:55):
That wasn't that The guy basically translated the menu for us.
Remember it was all in German, and we had to
sort of like look at an app or something.

Speaker 6 (01:18:01):
To your phone camera over and it translates it.

Speaker 5 (01:18:05):
But I forget what I got that night. And I
did have lunch and I had schnitzel somewhere, but that's like,
I don't think there's anything to that but that like
a chicken cutlet with that steak.

Speaker 4 (01:18:15):
With truffles, delicious. That was so good. I really don't
like when people do that, I shouldn't do it.

Speaker 7 (01:18:26):
Alex lost a good out You got that.

Speaker 6 (01:18:29):
I did lose a good outfit, but back.

Speaker 4 (01:18:31):
It just came in.

Speaker 5 (01:18:32):
Oh wait, wait this just in Touchdown.

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Speaker 5 (01:19:15):
Good stuff for you got that breaking news in Yeah,
that was good. There is more.

Speaker 4 (01:19:19):
I got everybody's attention.

Speaker 5 (01:19:21):
There is more breaking news. There is a transaction, a
minor transaction for the Patriots, although not the people who
were involved in it.

Speaker 4 (01:19:27):
I bet right.

Speaker 5 (01:19:29):
They made a swap of running backs. The Patriots signed
Shane Watts and let go generic Prince and Watts is
let's see. I believe you went to Fort Hayes State
Division two, a lot of production there, undrafted Brookie undrafted
free agent. So I just would I bring this up

(01:19:51):
for a couple of reasons. We were talking about Remindrie
Stevenson a little bit and how we misspractice time this
week obviously lost lean and Larison who was placed on
an I R. I don't know if we actually mentioned
that on the show, because that happened over the weekend.

Speaker 4 (01:20:05):
That's true.

Speaker 5 (01:20:05):
Yeah, So they have a little bit of you know,
thinning of the ranks at the running back spot, so
they probably want to have someoney for these Minnesota practices,
an extra guy. So you still have Terrell Jennings who
got some carries in the game Friday night and played
pretty well along with Gibson and Henderson. We'll see about
Stevenson now. Add was it Shane Watts? Yea, And they

(01:20:28):
get that right for Shane Wats.

Speaker 4 (01:20:30):
Camp bodies all right, eight five y five pasts five hundred.
Let's go to Vancouver. Sean's on the line. What's up Sean, Sean.

Speaker 5 (01:20:42):
Yet here no showing no Sean very unlike Sean.

Speaker 6 (01:20:45):
I ask him about the Canadian McDonald's.

Speaker 4 (01:20:48):
How about Nolan in New Hampshire? What's up Nolan?

Speaker 8 (01:20:52):
Hey, guys, what's going on?

Speaker 14 (01:20:53):
Thy question is Born, Baker and Chisholm. I'm looking for
one reason to keep and one reason to cut the
roster for each guy.

Speaker 4 (01:21:01):
Thank you, Born, Baker, Chisholm, thanks for the game.

Speaker 7 (01:21:06):
The cutter trade.

Speaker 5 (01:21:07):
One reason to cut, one reason to keep. I would
say Baker, the reason to keep would be what Evan
always talks about, how he's a little different, He's a
little little taller, more adept at playing better straight line
speed on the outside. To cut him, I would say
he just hasn't shown the consistency over the years right

(01:21:29):
to warn a spot. Chisholm, his was pretty obvious. The
reason you would keep him, it's what Fred talks about,
his quickness, his cutting ability in the slot. The reason
to cut him would be that kind of redundant. They
have a few guys like that. It's pretty small, small
catch radius. With Born. You'd be keeping him for his

(01:21:52):
experience in Josh McDaniels' system in the NFL in general,
you'd let him go because he just hasn't been able
to stay healthy and you know what he is. Yeah,
you kind of kind of tapped out. Yeah, potential wise,
does that.

Speaker 4 (01:22:07):
Worka works for me? But I would have said Travis
and West Virginia. My favorite thing about the new pre
post the host is that she didn't call email electronic
mail and didn't say waiting patiently for every call she took.
On the post game show, you guys got very giggly.
I will chalk it up to being punch drunk, but

(01:22:28):
your wives might think it was flirty.

Speaker 9 (01:22:30):
Oo.

Speaker 4 (01:22:31):
Wow, Okay, were we giggly?

Speaker 5 (01:22:36):
I got a lot of this? I got a lot
of this on did.

Speaker 4 (01:22:39):
You yeah that we were giggly?

Speaker 16 (01:22:41):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:22:42):
Oh, that you were flirting by Who's.

Speaker 5 (01:22:45):
A lot of trolls really, which I was expecting. Wow,
happens when you put the old guy with the young girl. Wow,
creep meter goes high.

Speaker 4 (01:22:57):
You know creep.

Speaker 5 (01:22:58):
That's that's my my lot in life. Now for the next.

Speaker 4 (01:23:01):
Year, Kyle and Pembroke, I have three hot takes takes
that I know might be too much for the season,
and want to get your guys' opinions on them caveat
these all assumed players remain healthy. One his first hot
take to Mario Douglas, with this athleticism, will have the

(01:23:21):
most productive season of a Patriots slot receiver in their history.
One hundred and twenty plus catches, sixteen hundred yards and
ten touchdowns. Yeah, that's ridiculous. Two, the Patriots will go
from having a one top one hundred player to having
six this year. Barmore, Gonzalez, Drake May, Robert Spelane to

(01:23:43):
Mario Douglas and Stefan Diggs.

Speaker 7 (01:23:45):
That's not hot at all.

Speaker 4 (01:23:47):
That's not hot at all. You agree?

Speaker 7 (01:23:49):
Did you see the top one hundred lists they have,
like Cooper dejen like, you just have to have your
teammates have a good season, you can get in the list.

Speaker 5 (01:23:55):
Those guys are not top hundred players, not all of
them anyway.

Speaker 7 (01:23:58):
I just it's voted by players. I could see that.

Speaker 6 (01:24:00):
Okay, three six of them.

Speaker 7 (01:24:03):
You're not six.

Speaker 5 (01:24:04):
But well that's what he said.

Speaker 4 (01:24:07):
So you disagree.

Speaker 7 (01:24:09):
No, you don't stand pat six.

Speaker 4 (01:24:10):
Okay, yeah, but if you take them, if you take
them all individually, Barmore could be one. Yes, for sure, Okay.
Gonzo Gonzo is one. Yep, he's already Splaine. That's that's
the tough, questionable one, tough one for Splaine. Douglas could
be tough, and Diggs could be if he has a

(01:24:33):
lot of productions.

Speaker 6 (01:24:34):
I think four that could happen.

Speaker 7 (01:24:37):
I think there are a lot of players that got
on it this year that should have been on it.

Speaker 5 (01:24:41):
Better chance two or six to two?

Speaker 6 (01:24:45):
Okay, far more Gonzo captain obvious or digs. If he
has a.

Speaker 5 (01:24:50):
Take, I don't think it's why is it obvious?

Speaker 4 (01:24:52):
Yeah? I would say that for any team, it's more
likely to have two than six in the top ten.

Speaker 5 (01:24:58):
Mm hmm, right, I'd have to look at the list.
He seems like he's a little bit more up to
speed on.

Speaker 4 (01:25:03):
The list of the individuals.

Speaker 7 (01:25:05):
Kooper dition is not fater than Gonzo.

Speaker 4 (01:25:07):
You just mentioned one guy?

Speaker 7 (01:25:10):
How many?

Speaker 9 (01:25:12):
Right?

Speaker 7 (01:25:12):
By thirty places?

Speaker 4 (01:25:13):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:25:13):
I mean, I just said I'm not familiar studied. But
there's two people that care about the list. Tease an
NFL network.

Speaker 4 (01:25:21):
Matissa is all into like fake football, Madden or list
or rating Madden ratings or you know, like.

Speaker 6 (01:25:30):
You feel about.

Speaker 4 (01:25:32):
It. Okay. His third hot take hot take the Patriots
offensive line will be a top sixteen line with three
rookies starting on it by the end of the season, Campbell,
Jared Wilson, and Marcus Bryant.

Speaker 5 (01:25:47):
I can't argue this because I can't rank offensive lines.

Speaker 4 (01:25:52):
But what they do they do get ranked in last year.
You may you have no problem saying that they were
the worst line last year.

Speaker 5 (01:26:01):
They were thirty first.

Speaker 4 (01:26:02):
Okay, So but.

Speaker 5 (01:26:04):
I don't do the rank and I don't I don't say,
I don't say the defensive line.

Speaker 4 (01:26:08):
But do you think for those who think it will
be that good?

Speaker 5 (01:26:11):
Okay, you don't think there'll be the top half offensive line.

Speaker 4 (01:26:14):
Right, That's all you have to say.

Speaker 5 (01:26:16):
But I can't rank it. Other people do, right, someone will,
and I won't agree with it if they're in the
top half.

Speaker 4 (01:26:23):
Unless he's already setting it up.

Speaker 5 (01:26:25):
Unless something happens that I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:26:27):
But you agree with the thirty one.

Speaker 5 (01:26:28):
Vision because they were a bottom half. Okay, watched it, So.

Speaker 6 (01:26:32):
Wait a minute, that's not a bottom half. That's the
bottom that's barrel.

Speaker 5 (01:26:35):
I could watch them and say that I don't see
too many offensive lines that are as bad as that, right,
So if they if they get rid, I couldn't tell
you if they were thirty first or twentieth. That's a
big gap, I know.

Speaker 4 (01:26:47):
But but you don't disagree with the thirty one ranking
last year, and you're automatically saying you're gonna just if
someone ranks them to disagree with that.

Speaker 5 (01:26:57):
I'm gonna, you know, just to go just to make
you feel better, I'm gonna go to something.

Speaker 4 (01:27:01):
TIS just said.

Speaker 5 (01:27:02):
I disagree that Cooper is thirty slots higher than Christian Gonzales.
Ok someone ranked it. Okay, so I'm just supposed to
have the rankings. I think that I know better. You're
already disagreeing with something that hasn't happened, you know. I'm saying,
unless something dramatically changes based on what well something would
have had for fifteen days of training camp, they're not

(01:27:24):
going to have a top half offensive.

Speaker 4 (01:27:25):
Okay, no, but like let's wait and see.

Speaker 5 (01:27:29):
I think if they obviously we can't say it.

Speaker 4 (01:27:31):
If they get ranked in the top half, something good
will have had to have half.

Speaker 5 (01:27:34):
But I'm just saying you can't. That's such a subjective thing.
I well, so like one hundred and twenty catches for
sixteen hundred, that's not subjective. That's stats. That's numbers. I
can say. I don't think he's gonna achieve those numbers, right,
do you know what I mean? Yeah, I don't feel
like I don't someone might see this offensive line being
fifteen spots better than someone else might see it totally.

Speaker 4 (01:27:55):
I'm just talking about the ones that the major ranking
companies they you know, PFF and all those. If they
say that they're the top half, I'll be like, if
that happens, something, they must have played better, right.

Speaker 5 (01:28:11):
Oh, I think they'll put they'll be better than they
were last year. There's no the offensive line is better
right now than it was last year.

Speaker 4 (01:28:19):
Ye.

Speaker 5 (01:28:19):
No, I don't think there's anybody that would argue against that,
except for Andy Hart Elfham, Wisconsin arguing with every Day
a Training Camp about this.

Speaker 4 (01:28:28):
Elfham, Wisconsin says so on a recent episode, Paul suggested
we try to stump him on Patriots Trivia. Here's my attempt.
Who wore number seventy seven last year?

Speaker 5 (01:28:37):
Ben Brown? But that's a good that's a very good question,
because that's how you get me something that just happened.
He obviously listens to the show.

Speaker 6 (01:28:47):
You just made that joke earlier.

Speaker 5 (01:28:49):
If it was seventy seven, like in nineteen seventy seven.
I well, although I don't know who number seventy seven
wasn't seventy seven?

Speaker 6 (01:28:56):
Well, thoughts came in and they were talking about something
that happened in the two I was in season, and
your recall is just snap of a finger, and then
you're like, yeah, but I don't remember what.

Speaker 5 (01:29:07):
A shock man.

Speaker 4 (01:29:08):
Davis Sean is back on the line from Vancouver. What's up, Sean?

Speaker 14 (01:29:17):
Yeah, sorry about that. The phone connection was bad. But
I have a few things with the offensive line, like
I can guarantee it even though they haven't played one game,
but even if they're ranked laugh in the NFL, they'll
still be a lot better than the last year. I've
never seen anything that terrible as the offensive line play.

Speaker 5 (01:29:36):
Of I don't think I said a lot better. They'll
be better.

Speaker 13 (01:29:42):
They'll be better.

Speaker 14 (01:29:42):
I guarantee that. I just want to answer your question
about Canada. I've been to several McDonald's in this country,
across the country, and the services are fine, the food
the same. I mean, some are obviously teedier than others,
but it's generally uniform. However, the worst McDonald's i've ever

(01:30:05):
been to is not in the og Portland, but in Portland,
Oregon because anything you know on the West coast, they
won't understand this, but if you're first, you're og. So
in Portland, Oregon, I went at ten am on a
Monday and the whole front was closed, like the dining
room just closed. You can't get in no reason. Just
the drive through is working. You walk up, there's a

(01:30:27):
guy like serving the drive There's a big line. You
have to wait for him to go to like five cars.
There's no menu there. You ask him how much is
like an eg mcmupp and he's like expensive?

Speaker 5 (01:30:36):
What is that?

Speaker 14 (01:30:37):
Fice?

Speaker 5 (01:30:38):
Guy?

Speaker 14 (01:30:38):
You know it is the worst service ever. Just don't
go to that that McDonald's. Did you ever happen to
be in Portland? Organ? And Hey, just want to let
everyone know I'm going to be in New England for
the first game. I'll be there at the home opener.
My buddy from Australia, Jared, is going to join me.
So we're looking forward to that. Go Pats and I'll
take it off like.

Speaker 4 (01:30:58):
Okay, thanks, it's fun. You know what I think is
the worst sonic I've only had one. It's terrible. I
couldn't even figure out how to order, don't.

Speaker 5 (01:31:07):
I don't love Sonic either. I agree with you, Freddy.

Speaker 7 (01:31:11):
Once I saw like the oil bubbling off the chicken.

Speaker 6 (01:31:13):
Tender shakes there.

Speaker 5 (01:31:15):
They do have good shakes, but I agree with your
overall that when they put a Sonic on Root one
and it was like this big, big thing, everybody was
so excited about it. There was like traffic backed up
onto Route one and I was like, what am I missing?
And I went and had it, and I was like.

Speaker 4 (01:31:33):
The fact that they keep having to add stuff to
their menu, right. Daniel reminds everybody that I've been saying
it would seventy yard field goal would happen soon enough.
But he thinks, He asked, does it count your eyes
that it happened in pre season? Well, it doesn't count

(01:31:55):
in terms of the record, but it counts in terms
of proving the ability that they do it.

Speaker 5 (01:32:00):
I would say, count your prediction counts.

Speaker 4 (01:32:03):
Yeah, absolutely, say so. We now know it can be
done and it'll.

Speaker 5 (01:32:09):
It doesn't count, It doesn't count, but it matters.

Speaker 4 (01:32:14):
And Phil Perry's Phil Phil Perry said.

Speaker 6 (01:32:17):
That Phil Perry slash Dan roch.

Speaker 4 (01:32:22):
Cody writes in On One of Paul's shows. I believe
the host mentioned that the kick return touchdown by Henderson
on the first play was a good omen, and I'd agree.
For the most part, the team showed effort finish in
a level of play I haven't seen it a while,
and I enjoyed seeing all the players contribute. While everything
seems to be going well, the recent string of injuries

(01:32:44):
has dampened my excitement a little. Do you guys think
that the heightened level of physicality and effort during this
summer has worn down the players or is this just
football and sometimes they have bad luck. Let me tell
you something the Patriots have not as had bad luck,
is that other teams have already had or they have
had in the past injury. We just got to remember

(01:33:06):
every year this happened. Players get injured every year.

Speaker 5 (01:33:09):
And I don't think it's been an overly physical camp now.
I do think everything he said about the game Friday night,
I would wholeheartedly agree with. They played with some physicality,
some energy and toughness, and I think the message was
finished yep. And I think it was clear the way
everybody treated the ball, every ball carrier from ramondre Stevenson,

(01:33:31):
you know and Terrell Jennings, bigger guys, and all those
guys down to Traveon Henderson and Efton Chisholm, who aren't
the biggest guys out there were lowering their shoulders and
finishing runs and the pile was moving forward whoever had
the ball. That was clearly something that was coached that
that's what they wanted to see. So they were very
physical in the game Friday night. But I don't think

(01:33:52):
that they've been overly physical at practice every day. And
you know, in terms of leading to injuries, I don't
think that's part of it.

Speaker 7 (01:34:00):
Unlou No, I've been out there. It hasn't been too bad.
But you look around the league, like Fred said, like
I think it was the Chargers tackle Slater uh Dickerson
on the Eagles, like their legs just kind of collapsed
on them.

Speaker 5 (01:34:11):
Like major injuries to major players.

Speaker 4 (01:34:13):
This is football, Unfortunately.

Speaker 7 (01:34:15):
Yeah, it happens, and it's tough, but it's just I
don't think it's been too bad on our end here no.

Speaker 4 (01:34:22):
Knock on wood uh V from Pittsburgh says, did Fred,
like Frank from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia get diagnosed
with Donkey brains when he was younger, not donkey, I
had been called an ass so does that count by me?
That's not nice though, all right?

Speaker 5 (01:34:37):
But I would also say some of the injuries the
Patriots have had so far, like Gonzo, I think Carlton David,
you know, kind of soft tissue injuries really not physical.
It's muscle injury.

Speaker 6 (01:34:49):
Right, you know what I mean?

Speaker 7 (01:34:50):
It was the only he a.

Speaker 5 (01:34:52):
Cl But like Rashaan Slater ruptured his but teller tendon. Yeah,
that's a physical injury, you know, something that's happen in
the course of I assume this course of blocking. Right,
what did you says?

Speaker 7 (01:35:04):
Like his leg just going Yeah, he was just going
back in the past protection and just kind of collapsed
on him. Similar with Dickerson, yep Adam and Louisiana about
that your top one hundred list tis both Eagles corners
are rated higher than Christian Gonzales at eighty four, Dijon sixty,
Kenyon Mitchell is forty nine.

Speaker 4 (01:35:23):
That's how I know the list is a joke.

Speaker 5 (01:35:25):
There we go. But that's generally what I think of
those kinds of rankings, so I stay consistent.

Speaker 4 (01:35:32):
One of them.

Speaker 5 (01:35:33):
I disagreed with that Patriot is too low, you know
what I mean. Maybe there'd be one that I think
the Patriots are too high, and I would say that
just from what I've seen. If the Patriots offensive line
is listed in the top half of the league, I'd
say that's too high, all right. But they will be better.
They will be better than last year.

Speaker 4 (01:35:53):
And Will Campbell's going to be.

Speaker 5 (01:35:55):
He's better than He's better than Vederian Loan and that's
the guy he's replacing.

Speaker 4 (01:36:00):
Will Marcus Brian be a starter by the end of
the year.

Speaker 5 (01:36:03):
I think he has a chance to be.

Speaker 4 (01:36:04):
Yeah. I think whether he beats him out or in.

Speaker 6 (01:36:08):
Well, that's what I was going to say. Would it
be because of his player because next man up?

Speaker 4 (01:36:12):
Yeah? The second thing Rick Lawson writes, and it occurs
to me that in twenty twenty five, there may not
be one player from the twenty twenty four draft class.
May exclude it in a Patriots uniform. May was a
layup because we were taking one of the top three quarterbacks.
But the rest of the draft is pretty bad. Baker
has a shot, but even that is is as a

(01:36:34):
special team or six receiver. Dile has an injury, but
the rest Wow, Cayden Wallace will be on it tame.
It is a credit to Vrabel and the new personnel
staff that the Patriots look competitive considering last year's horrible draft.

Speaker 5 (01:36:49):
I think Cayden Wallace will still be I mean, it
doesn't take away from the email. It was not a
great draft, but I think Wallace will be here in.

Speaker 6 (01:36:57):
Certain to Mario year year year before time.

Speaker 5 (01:37:00):
Certainly Dial, I think we had a good opportunity to
be part of the secondary too.

Speaker 7 (01:37:06):
So it's just tough with Polk especially just yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:37:09):
Polk and Baker obviously disappointments. And Laydon Robinson has been
with like the third group all summer, so I don't
think that he has I think he has a roster
spot right now.

Speaker 4 (01:37:22):
Speaking of Layton Robinson, Josh and England writes in he
has a question about Laydon Robinson and City, So I
would have thought they would have been more natural fits
in McDaniel's offense with more gap scheme as downhill blocking
with something Robinson in particular was praise for last season
at times, but it seems that he is on the
outside looking in and doesn't really get mentioned much in breakdowns.

(01:37:44):
The same applies somewhat to City So. It seemed as
if they were awkward fits last year, but this year
they should have been better. Have they shown much to
crack the roster. So's hurt a little bit, right, He's.

Speaker 5 (01:37:55):
Been out there too. He's been out there the last
few days. He missed a couple of days of practice.
But yeah, those two guys have been in the third
team for the most part. Leyden Robinson has been the
third team every day. So I'd have to go back
and look and see if he's been with the twos
that I missed, but I think it's been Strange and
Brown and maybe So was the right guard with that group.

(01:38:19):
Although Strange has been playing right guard with the twos
the last few days because I think they're trying to
see if Ben Brown can play guard as well as center.
So those are the guys that have been out there.
Kyden Wallace is now at guard. Yeah, so Cityso has
been with the threes with Robinson too. It's been Wallace, Brown,
Strange at the interior. Three guys with the second group.

Speaker 4 (01:38:40):
Yep, No in Toronto. I was looking at our schedule
the other day and I think there's a real chance
we could double our win total from last year solely
by beating teams without respected quarterbacks. How would you feel
about the season if we did that?

Speaker 5 (01:38:55):
I want to see how they do it. Yeah, Like,
do you win forty eight to eighteen when you play
those teams? I feel pretty good about it. Do you
win thirteen to ten? I don't feel great about it.
Now win's a win. Yeah, So bottom line is you
just need to win the games. Doesn't matter. But I'd
feel better with the first scenario. But I totally agree
with him that I think they easily could double their

(01:39:16):
win total.

Speaker 6 (01:39:16):
And if you get to that point, you're taking advantage
of bad football. Reebel step one right.

Speaker 5 (01:39:22):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:39:24):
Mark and Cheddar. I agree that preseason stats shouldn't count.
It is in proper competition and therefore nothing should count. However,
I do think that postseason stats should count. I hate
when there is some announcers stating some stupid SI stat
the regular season about this is the first time that
blah blah blah has ever happened, and everyone is going, yeah,

(01:39:44):
accept it. For the AFC Championship game the other year.

Speaker 5 (01:39:49):
I think they're separate. Well, do keep track of postseason records,
but I think they should be separate. Why because they
happen in the postseason, so obviously, Hi, games that count, Yeah,
they're higher stakes and everything.

Speaker 4 (01:40:03):
Well, sometimes the seventeenth game in a season could have
higher stakes in the first game. Those stats count differently,
what did what should the stakes matter and whether or
not the stats count, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:40:15):
I think part of it is like okaying, I think
playoff games are more important than regular seasons.

Speaker 4 (01:40:18):
They are.

Speaker 5 (01:40:19):
I don't really think it's all that controversial.

Speaker 6 (01:40:22):
Well, regular season games, every team has the same amount.
So if you have like a generational running back who's
amazing and is clearly the best running back in the
league due to regular season stats, but he doesn't have
the same body of work in the postseason because his
team doesn't make it that far, it's hard to well.

Speaker 4 (01:40:38):
Compare cumulative stats, you know, like but like career and
all that stuff. But when it comes to individual, you know,
game stats, like there should be one record for most
touchdowns in the game, and I don't care if that's
postseason or regular.

Speaker 5 (01:40:54):
That for sure. To convince me of that, I think
they're separate.

Speaker 6 (01:40:58):
It just depends on the context that you're pulling the
numbers in for, you know, like, I don't know. You
can cherry pick any stat you want to fit an
argument or Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:41:09):
I think Fred's point is if someone would have set
the all time single game rushing record or passing record
in a postseason game, that should be the record.

Speaker 6 (01:41:17):
Yeah, definitely, but you still need to keep them I
think separate for the point I was making. Yeah, great player,
not a good.

Speaker 4 (01:41:26):
He had more opportunities because he was on great team.
Exactly so, But all right, m Patrick, missus Eric. Hearing
his weirdness during those lunch flashbacks brought me back to
all of his awkwardness and secrecy. I used to think
he wasn't really this way and would play it up

(01:41:48):
for the radio, But having listened to the show for
over a decade, I realized he's just playing different. Evan
has a bit of it, but not like Eric.

Speaker 5 (01:41:57):
Evan just closed off unless you're talking about exits.

Speaker 4 (01:42:00):
Right right. He's very private in general.

Speaker 5 (01:42:05):
He won't play in Reindeer game.

Speaker 4 (01:42:06):
I just don't think he's got a lot going on
except for.

Speaker 6 (01:42:10):
His interests and his wife.

Speaker 4 (01:42:12):
Different. He would want you to believe he's got a
lot going on. He's never had a boring day in
his life. His words, his words.

Speaker 7 (01:42:22):
In his life.

Speaker 5 (01:42:23):
He did chastise me during COVID when I said I
was bored all the time?

Speaker 4 (01:42:26):
Right, Why how can you be bored.

Speaker 5 (01:42:28):
During COVID when there was nothing to do? You couldn't
go out? I was like bored.

Speaker 6 (01:42:31):
You didn't teach yourself how to play piano?

Speaker 7 (01:42:33):
Or I watched like get three years Glory.

Speaker 5 (01:42:39):
Did you catch what she just said? Did you teach
yourself to play piano?

Speaker 4 (01:42:43):
No, but that's the point I watched.

Speaker 6 (01:42:45):
You didn't learn two languages? No, you could be fluent
in Spanish right now?

Speaker 4 (01:42:50):
Well I could.

Speaker 5 (01:42:51):
I could get by fluent.

Speaker 7 (01:42:54):
Do you think Eric has watched the single Patriots game since?

Speaker 4 (01:42:57):
I think you Chris traumatized him.

Speaker 5 (01:42:59):
I made the comment at the time to Fred on
the air when we came in and we had signed
Cam Newton. I wasn't convinced that Eric had known that
we had signed Cam Newton because it kind of happened,
you know, in that dark time when no one was around.
I do still watch the news that elicited that response.

Speaker 4 (01:43:22):
You remember, it was so easy, talk about gaslighting.

Speaker 6 (01:43:32):
Nothing better than you guys making him play the piano.

Speaker 5 (01:43:35):
And then he So this is Fred did not make
him play the piano. He insisted that he knew how
to play it, was a classically trained pianist, and we
were like, oh, okay, well why don't we do it?

Speaker 4 (01:43:50):
Then?

Speaker 5 (01:43:51):
That wasn't like you you were trying to set him
up to fail.

Speaker 4 (01:43:54):
He told us.

Speaker 5 (01:43:55):
That he had an ability that he clearly didn't have.

Speaker 6 (01:44:00):
Pseudo intellectual.

Speaker 4 (01:44:04):
And it's not like you have to tune up an
electric piano, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:44:07):
No, do you remember Jamie McGibbon, Yeah, he just comes
in the bank like Bill Joel.

Speaker 4 (01:44:14):
Yeah, yeah, oh god, that's funny.

Speaker 6 (01:44:17):
All he had to know was like a couple of chords.

Speaker 5 (01:44:21):
Right, play chopsticks?

Speaker 6 (01:44:23):
Yeaheah, Twinkle Twinkle little Star, like that's so easy.

Speaker 4 (01:44:26):
Oh my god, I.

Speaker 18 (01:44:28):
Have no formal artistic training.

Speaker 4 (01:44:31):
You get that, all right? Documentary I haven't yet. I'm
going I want to, though, I might watch it on
the plane going to Minnesotas.

Speaker 5 (01:44:41):
Are too young. You don't care about Billy Joel, Right.

Speaker 6 (01:44:43):
Of course I do.

Speaker 5 (01:44:44):
Did you watch it?

Speaker 6 (01:44:45):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:44:47):
Downloaded the soundtrack to one hundred and fifty songs.

Speaker 6 (01:44:50):
I will watch it.

Speaker 2 (01:44:52):
Get around, I will say it's the soundtrack for the documentary.

Speaker 5 (01:44:56):
Wow. So they have all they play all the songs
in their entire that they Oh, yeah, it's it's worth watching.
If you like Billy Joel, I will say it's it's
too long. The first part especially, is like to like
two and a half hour.

Speaker 6 (01:45:13):
Is it broken up into episodes?

Speaker 5 (01:45:16):
The first one is twice as long as the second part.
It's good, it's not great. It's not great. I would
say when you do the documentaries and stuff like that
and everybody runs into these problems, you kind of have
a choice to make, like how objective do I want
to be and how much access do I want to get?
They chose the access, so it's through the eyes of yeah,

(01:45:40):
and I like Billy Joel, so I was okay with it.
But they definitely gloss over some of the doctor periods
of Billy Joel's life and some of the things that
he maybe have had done wrong.

Speaker 4 (01:45:51):
Having to do with women, mostly.

Speaker 5 (01:45:53):
Well, first one, it's huge, like he basically steals his
best friend's wife.

Speaker 7 (01:46:00):
Maybe that what was not.

Speaker 5 (01:46:02):
But I mean I think it's pretty clear that you know,
during his career he had problems with alcohol, and it's
just kind of like, yeah, I don't know, like are
we really talking about this or not, Like, yeah, he
and Elton John had to think his Obviously Elton John
had famous battles with substance problems and they sort of
had a falling out because of the erratic behavior due

(01:46:25):
to the drinking.

Speaker 4 (01:46:26):
And it's it's kind of like because the duos together.

Speaker 5 (01:46:29):
Yeah, they did a lot of concerts. They did one here.
I think, oh, that's right now, John, you probably you
probably didn't edit that night because you went out to
the concert me and and he had to staying at work.
I've never seen was that just the police at Fenway,
just the.

Speaker 4 (01:46:41):
Police of fend uh Chester's in Portland. What's up Chester, Hey.

Speaker 13 (01:46:48):
What's up guys? Awesome fans coverage so far as it's
been such an exciting off season to get things back
and ramps up, and from last time I called it,
you know, they've got to kill some optimism. I feel
like that is just overly present right now. You know,
I don't care what the score was on Friday, but
the Hits factor in the crowd was back. You know.
I felt like the team was in and out of

(01:47:08):
the huddle nicely.

Speaker 4 (01:47:10):
You know.

Speaker 13 (01:47:10):
I think one thing I haven't really heard about Romando
Stevenson just looked thinner and faster.

Speaker 10 (01:47:15):
He cut rates.

Speaker 13 (01:47:16):
It's even being better shaped because he looks fast. He
looked different. He was just you know, moving into that
second level. A lot bicker, but definitely that was a
takeaway is that he looks like he's got a spring
back in his steps, which is exciting. You know, I'm
just turning. I'm concerned, just you know, just the straight
thing is going to make or break our year. There's
been so much positive momentum Exlamps, but you know, the suping,

(01:47:37):
the fake. I just really hope that Brave the Stakes
got out of him, uhcause I feel like our fate
is really in his hands. Specifically, oh Line showing a
ton of promise, and that's fantastic too, But just overall,
it's just really exciting to see some steps forward. And
that's all I got. It's good to be back in touch.

Speaker 4 (01:47:53):
Guys, all right by apparel, Thanks Chester.

Speaker 5 (01:47:56):
I'm on board with Chester. I think Stevens does look thinner,
and I mean I always say this, the skill guys
look faster at this time of year every year.

Speaker 4 (01:48:03):
It also looks better when you're not getting hit in
the backfield, right, But.

Speaker 5 (01:48:06):
I mean I thought he looked fast and fresh on
opening day against Cincinnati when he had a drag tacklers
for like one hundred and twenty yards, right. And by
the time you get to like week five, it's a
little harder to look fast, right, you know when that's
happening all the time.

Speaker 4 (01:48:18):
Matthew and Arizona, we will have eight wins because of
the poster in the media room I saw for Mike
Reese's photo of Rabel in his first postgame interview versus
the Commanders on X effort and finish, bald, security and disruption, details,
technique and fundamentals, make great decisions. Did you see that poster?
I didn't had that. Yeah, yeah, So what do you

(01:48:43):
think you like those posters, like the motivational posters, the
word art. You have one in your room that says,
hang in there, kiddy.

Speaker 6 (01:48:48):
Live, laugh, love, live laflove. Yeah, I don't. I'm against
word art in the home setting, I don't need to
be told like pantry, kitchen, gather, But here I like
I hate those.

Speaker 7 (01:49:02):
I hate.

Speaker 4 (01:49:05):
My kitchen, my rules. Yeah, I hate those little.

Speaker 6 (01:49:11):
That's an apron. It's not word ar the live laugh
love stuff. Who No, But in the auditorium. My girl,
she's out in the auditorium.

Speaker 12 (01:49:24):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:49:25):
I thought it was kind of cool that we walked in.

Speaker 4 (01:49:28):
It was like, really talking about people's homes when you
have that.

Speaker 7 (01:49:33):
Not to new you like it?

Speaker 5 (01:49:35):
I haven't seen it.

Speaker 6 (01:49:35):
I don't know you've never I was kind of surprised
to see it.

Speaker 5 (01:49:39):
But I guess why I came here.

Speaker 4 (01:49:42):
I'm talking about the locker roo. I'm talking about people's homes.

Speaker 5 (01:49:45):
Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm sorry. I thought
we were talking about this specific.

Speaker 4 (01:49:48):
I don't care about the locker I'm talking about.

Speaker 5 (01:49:49):
Okay, Well I thought we're talking about something different.

Speaker 9 (01:49:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:49:51):
No, I'm not a huge fan of that stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:49:53):
I mean i'm not. I'm not as opposed to what
is out obviously. No, she's a bit triggered.

Speaker 4 (01:50:00):
You make your house look like Cracker Bear, But no
I don't.

Speaker 6 (01:50:03):
Yeah, like, why does my salt shaker need to say
salt on it?

Speaker 4 (01:50:06):
You know?

Speaker 5 (01:50:06):
Right? No, I don't have a lot of that.

Speaker 7 (01:50:10):
But I like the new Vabel poster.

Speaker 4 (01:50:11):
Yes, that's pretty cool, Okay, mission, I guess they had
this huge mural last year.

Speaker 5 (01:50:19):
Yes, that's gone.

Speaker 4 (01:50:20):
It's in the back storage area.

Speaker 6 (01:50:23):
Up there, it's away.

Speaker 4 (01:50:26):
Well, I remember cut up into sections trivia give way.

Speaker 6 (01:50:32):
Yeah, well, I remember how much of a big deal
it was last year when certain things were coming off
the walls and that stuff was going up all the
motivational quotes.

Speaker 4 (01:50:44):
Right, that's what is your north star?

Speaker 19 (01:50:48):
Hmmm.

Speaker 6 (01:50:48):
I've never been asked that's the.

Speaker 5 (01:50:50):
Kind of stuff I find. I don't know. Maybe it's
just generational for you and I, Frid, Do I really
need I need to look at something that inspires me
every day? Can I just like, have you know, pride
in my.

Speaker 4 (01:51:02):
Work, play like a champion today, Paul, I do it
every time.

Speaker 6 (01:51:06):
I believe bigger than me. Oh, that might have been
the last sharp.

Speaker 5 (01:51:12):
And you know, when I knew Joe Judge was going
to fail.

Speaker 6 (01:51:14):
Shot z iron take a shot. Every time you hear
that phrase.

Speaker 5 (01:51:19):
You know when I knew Joe Judge was going to
fail as the Giants head coach, when when he said
that the name on the front of the jersey more.

Speaker 6 (01:51:25):
Than the name on the back.

Speaker 4 (01:51:27):
Wow, that is profound. That's profound. Jeff in Canada rites
in Earlier in the show, Paul said he is nowhere
near ready to say Will Campbell is a sure fire
NFL tackle left tackle, And I agree with Paul it's
still wait and see. People are going to get mad
at me. But using the same logic, I feel the

(01:51:47):
same about May. If turnovers persist in real games, do
you think Rabel would ever turn to Dobbs as a
starter or what would the threshold have to be to
make that decision?

Speaker 5 (01:51:58):
So I don't think that you deserve to be uh,
someone getting mad at you for that. I think that
Drake May still has to prove himself. I think that
the threshold for a change a quarterback would be enormous,
Like he'd have.

Speaker 4 (01:52:11):
To really feel bad.

Speaker 5 (01:52:13):
Epically, like I'm talking Zach Wilson bad. Yeah, you know with.

Speaker 4 (01:52:17):
The jet walking ten guys in a row bad.

Speaker 5 (01:52:20):
Yeah, right, Like he'd have to be really really bad
for them to do that. Right now, now, if let's
assume that he plays quarterback all year this year and
then next year, we're still talking about the same kind
of stuff. Now we've got to leash is a lot shorter.
Right now, it's time to find a new guy.

Speaker 4 (01:52:35):
Yep, yep.

Speaker 5 (01:52:38):
But I I have confidence that Drake May can succeed.
I don't know how much I haven't seen it on
a consistent enough basis to say this guy is going
to be the next, you know, stud quarterback. He's gonna
do what Jayden do?

Speaker 4 (01:52:52):
You need the consistency. You need the consistency, and then
you need to see that consistency play its way into
big moments.

Speaker 5 (01:53:00):
That last part is important. It's not about the numbers.
Everybody just focuses on, like Jayden Daniels's numbers were sort
of pedestrian last year, and they were, but when games
were on the line, he was almost perfect right and
that's what separates these guys. That's what separated Brady. Brady's
almost never lost when the game was winnable down the stretch.
He almost never failed in those well.

Speaker 4 (01:53:22):
Robert Kraft said it in the speech. He made us
feel invincible, like you always knew you had a chance
with Brady and that he was going to pull it out,
you know, Brad. In Australia, I was watching YouTube on
Will Campbell and showing the hand placement when in pass protection.
Got me wondering if being left handed or right handed

(01:53:42):
helps determine whether you would be better at left or
right tackle. For instance, would being a left handed be
ideal for left tackle, providing the strength to stop the
defender getting around the outside. I think it does matter
a little bit for some people, like whether they're left
or right dominant. Belichick's talked about this many times. Some
guys can slide left or right. Others it's a whole

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different world, you know, having to do everything opposite.

Speaker 5 (01:54:07):
Yeah, but I don't know if it's better to be
left or right handed.

Speaker 4 (01:54:10):
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if that matters,
but I'm sure some people it might, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:54:14):
I think it's more about how you are trained to
do something.

Speaker 4 (01:54:19):
Yep. You know.

Speaker 5 (01:54:19):
It's like your footwork, and you're used to being on
the one side or the other, and then you just
can't mirror it on the other side. But I do
wonder because I could make it just as strong an
argument that the punch from a left tackle with your
right hand, if you were right handed, is more important
than the outside punch because you want to knock the
guy wide right. That's what you want to do.

Speaker 4 (01:54:40):
Right, So here you go.

Speaker 5 (01:54:43):
But I don't I could make that argument. I don't
know that that's true. I don't I've ever played offensive
line in my.

Speaker 6 (01:54:48):
Life, and your factoring in how the difference is in
strength in the dominant hand versus the non dominant hand.
If you're training properly, probably negligible, you're exactly it should
be right, or you're really significantly overtraining one side compared
to the other.

Speaker 5 (01:55:04):
It's kind of like, if Andy were doing this right,
he'd have all the upper body strength in the world.
Skip legs, but yeah, he skipped lake. He skipped late.

Speaker 6 (01:55:15):
The cabs are very important.

Speaker 4 (01:55:19):
Brian and Marshville Mass love the pod for years realized
real football talk is here now. But in the subject
of hats, he says, I was a balding man in
my late twenties, and I am by no way comparing
myself to my Boston College Matt hasselback friend. But he
absolutely nailed it with the curved brim backwards next to

(01:55:41):
Griffy taking batting practice with the backwards flat brim. Best
sports usage of a backwards cap, so curved brim for
a backwards cap so begs a question when is the
appropriate time for an adult male to go backwards cap
little off season? What's the appropriate time to have it

(01:56:02):
a backwards cap for an adult male? Like age time
or like yeah, no, no, like, I'll give you my
hands if you're only if you're on a training camp
and you just you wear hats backwards, wear it back No,
that's not appropriate. The only appropriate time for an adult
male to wear the hat backwards is where if you
wore it for it it impedes with something that you're doing. Otherwise,

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you're a heart on a boat. Otherwise you're on a boat.

Speaker 6 (01:56:28):
Sometimes if you're going the brim, there's a.

Speaker 4 (01:56:31):
Lot of wind and you want it.

Speaker 5 (01:56:33):
You don't want it to play basketball and you can't get.

Speaker 6 (01:56:35):
You to your vision, right, something like that.

Speaker 4 (01:56:38):
Otherwise, right, you shouldn't be wearing a cap, wearing playing
basket so.

Speaker 5 (01:56:42):
You don't worry about getting your head torched.

Speaker 7 (01:56:43):
My head gets that's where I wear the bucket hat.

Speaker 5 (01:56:45):
Some of us have those problems, like and me, I
could see you playing basket on the dew rag. That's funny.

Speaker 4 (01:57:01):
Both me and a do rag. Let's see.

Speaker 5 (01:57:06):
I don't do the backward halt thing. Freddy.

Speaker 4 (01:57:07):
No, I think for adult men you kind of look
like a heart. Like if you're in college, fine, or
kids in eighth grade.

Speaker 6 (01:57:15):
You're in construction, you're like measuring something and you throw
it backwards and you put your little pencil up and then.

Speaker 7 (01:57:22):
You know you can put the pencil in forward.

Speaker 6 (01:57:24):
Yeah, but if you're like measuring.

Speaker 4 (01:57:26):
I'm wrestling contests, and you have to get what we
should have. We should have the people from front Workwear
call in and tell us when it's appropriate on the job,
have your cat backward on the job. All right, all right,
we get let's see it. That's the end.

Speaker 6 (01:57:44):
Wait, I got I got another line. I just thought
of hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard.
I don't know if I believe that one.

Speaker 5 (01:57:53):
That's absolutely a tried and true clicheism.

Speaker 4 (01:57:59):
Absolutely all right, So for the studio, So what's the
what's this? So we'll be back at noon on Thursday
and toward the end of the show, because they're gonna
practice from twelve to two. Toward the end of the show,
Deuce and or Evan will call in and give us
everything they saw on Wednesday and Thursday, and of course

(01:58:22):
on Patriots Oh you know what, just falling apart? Uh, docman,
I'm good. We're wrapping up, uh for the next two days. Obviously,
we'll have all the information that you need from training
camp on social media. You'll get all that and then

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cast twenty two. Do we have a schedule for that
this week?

Speaker 2 (01:58:46):
Four to six on Thursday, Okay, afternoon Drive, all right,
four to six on Thursday, Barth and Evan, all right,
we will see you Thursday.

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Speaker 4 (01:59:11):
Thanks a lot,