Patriots Unfiltered 8/26: 53-Man Roster and Cutdown Day Reports/Analysis

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:02):
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Welcome to patre gets Unfiltered.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
I'm not gonna argue with something I didn't I can't
argue with the things that I don't have the information.

Speaker 4 (00:17):
I'm gonna make it even me. Chism's targets from from
Saturday for Paul, and I'm just gonna text it too.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
I don't know if people are familiar with the movie
The Clockwork Orange in his eyes Open, that's what we're
gonna do, Paul. We're gonna make them watch all of
Chiss highlight reels.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (00:32):
I mean he threw a twenty yard out in the
game the other night. That's going around film Twitter. That's
just right, it's.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
Going around the dock web. Momentum is only as good
as the next day starting picture like like, no, sorry,
when the betstop's one ten in a row, momentum has
something to do with that. That's a clutch drive. Tom
Brady goes down the field and says, now you just
can leave seventies games over again. At seventeen seven, I
look at Fred and say, that's game right.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
It's true, it's true. Where do you rank Chism in
terms of all time Patriots wheredy ranches and relative to
Stanley Morgan and Randy Wark, slightly lower Christians in La.
What nonsense? Today?

Speaker 1 (01:10):
This is Patriots Unfiltered.

Speaker 5 (01:12):
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Speaker 6 (01:19):
All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here
at Jillette Stadium. The gang's all here. It's Deuce, Evan, Paul, Me,
Matt and Napooth. We're talking Patriots. We're getting closer to
that big day against the Raiders a week from this
coming Sunday.

Speaker 7 (01:35):
So Max Crossby, Yeah, it's good.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
Crossby, and thankfully not Trey Hendrickson as well. Here he's
getting close. But anyway, I do digress. Today is the
deadline for cut day, so that's at four o'clock. You
know a lot of reports coming out around the league
teams cutting players early. This team made an announcement was

(02:02):
a Friday about a handful of players.

Speaker 4 (02:05):
Fourteen of them and who were they?

Speaker 3 (02:08):
Well, the big one for me, I get them for
the whole place.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
Okay, just read it.

Speaker 4 (02:13):
It's a long list.

Speaker 8 (02:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (02:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:16):
The group on Friday was Jaheem Bell, Micah Bernard, Philip.

Speaker 7 (02:22):
Is It bleedy glitty blitty blitty.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
Isaiah Bolden, Zay Carle, Fotheringham, Phil Lutz, R. J. Moten,
Jordan Polk, Tyrese Robinson, city So, Shane Watts, Ben Wooldridge,
and Kyle Pico and Monty Ricey. That was the group
that was let go on Friday. Now there have been
some reports of guys that have been let go today.

(02:47):
They have been informed that they will be getting released,
but we have no official word in any of those.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
We won't touch those yet. They'll be an official release
coming out from the Patriots somewhere around for thereafter. I
remember back in the day, and uh not the last regime,
but the regime before that, four o'clock would roll around
and it'd be nothing.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
Crickets probably be eleven mill of lights deep.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
I'd be lucky if by eight o'clock that night we'd
have a release. Yeah. I'm guessing with this regime it'll
be pretty prompted.

Speaker 7 (03:19):
Yeah, I hope.

Speaker 9 (03:19):
So, I mean, I don't think there's a ton of
really hard decisions. I think, you know, some guys are
on the bubble, but overall, I think we know who
the team's going to be. Who are they going to
be the guys that contribute. Heard from Mike Rabel yesterday
saying guys are going to rotate, and I think that's
the case with a lot of teams right now early
on in the season that you're trying to look at
the starters. And I do think along the offensive line

(03:41):
you need to have starters, you need to have kind
of your guys, But defensive front, those rotation guys, even
probably some of the cornerback stuff. Is Christian Zalez ready
to go wire to wire week one or is there
a little bit of a rotation without Austin and you know,
break up his snaps a little bit.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yep. I do want to talk about the last game
against the Giants, not so much the game itself, but
a lot of Paul shows are saying that what we
learned from that game is that the Patriots have a
big depth problem. And I get it. You know, we've
talked about depth on especially certain areas, and this team

(04:19):
could be an issue going into this season. But you know,
the alarm bells that went off because you know, the Giants'
third stringers killed the Patriots third stringers. These are guys
on both teams that aren't going to be playing. Most
of them most of there are some, but most of
you know, most of them are going to be playing.
And when in the other games when the Patriots second

(04:40):
stringers were out there, guys more likely to make the team,
they didn't do so badly. You know, that's not to
say that depth isn't an issue, but I don't know
if it warranted, you know, the the alarm bells that
went off on.

Speaker 9 (04:55):
Some I think it's just a function of a new
regime coming in and they certainly extended themselves to sign
a number of high quality free agents that have come
in here and are clearly taking over significant roles. Williams,
Robert Splaine, just a couple off the top of my head.
Stefan digs of course. But I think it's hard to
replace your whole team and to really have quality depth

(05:17):
in year one that you know fits what you're trying
to do. So I'd much rather be looking at it
this year this way than we did last year.

Speaker 7 (05:23):
When you know, I think Paul Rightley pointed.

Speaker 9 (05:25):
Out that they resigned a lot of their guys, But
you know, Michael and when you Kyle Dugger, I mean,
now we look.

Speaker 7 (05:30):
At those guys maybe through a slightly different light.

Speaker 9 (05:32):
But at the same time, I think those guys were
more they didn't have the stars they signed Christian Barmore,
so I'll give him credit for that one last year.

Speaker 7 (05:38):
He certainly seems like a star.

Speaker 9 (05:39):
But I look at this as you're going to return
most of this roster, your contributors next year as well,
So you're looking at a two year window with most
of these guys definitely a needed edge.

Speaker 7 (05:48):
I would sell it which I might.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
Be starters this year, might be bumped down next year
when you break.

Speaker 9 (05:53):
Right, absolutely, and then you look at some of the
guys maybe that are that are holdovers a little bit
from the previous regime. I mean, we've had a little
bit of a shake up at safety and Craig Woodson
is probably there to stay, but you know, what's that
going to look like two three years down the road.

Speaker 7 (06:05):
So I would just watch next year for their ability.

Speaker 9 (06:07):
To you know, we don't have to totally chase everything,
but we can be selective. We can find some spots
to upgrade, and we can also draft and sign guys
that are going to be our kinds of players that
provide that quality depth. So when you get into the
third preseason game and those guys play, maybe you see
some more guys with a little more promise. Last example
I just point out is Tommy DeVito and we said,

(06:27):
we joked at the end of the pregame show, like
or the postgame show. That's a cool four string quarterback
who looks like he can play a little bit, you know.
Could that be something the Patriots look at quarterback position
as bringing in a third guy now that I mean, that's.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
One area where I think I would like, you know,
I was a little bit surprised that Wooldridge was, you know,
because he's your third guy. It's just Dobbs right now
is the other quarterback. So I think they could use
an upgrade there, whether it's bringing in a third guy
or even someone to replace Dobbs. This is the number

(07:00):
two with who's available. Bailey Zappy reportedly is available. I
think I think he'd be an upgrade over Dobbs. Honestly, yeah,
I don't.

Speaker 7 (07:10):
I don't know if anybody out there is really gonna go.

Speaker 4 (07:14):
What am I going to say?

Speaker 3 (07:15):
What can I What can I do? Some people you've
exasperated young Evan.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
Okay, what's the problem.

Speaker 4 (07:21):
No, there's no problem.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
This is a little bit of a problem.

Speaker 4 (07:24):
Come on, No, this is not one that I need
to battle. I don't care that much about it.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
You don't care about yeah, and I get no. No,
I just mean the Bailey's down right.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
But yeah, I do agree that your point.

Speaker 4 (07:38):
I know, I do agree that it's a it's in need.
I do agree that there's depth issues at quarterback right now.
I just don't know if Bailey Zappi is the answer.
That's all.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
Well, I'm just yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
Your point is to find the answer. But your point
is a good one. I think that they could do
better at backup quarterback.

Speaker 4 (07:54):
I I agree.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
I mean, for at least some competent it has just
been really inconsistent throughout the sum I think he's inaccurate.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
And I think what I saw from just in that
last game from de Veto, I saw decisive this inaccuracy.

Speaker 4 (08:06):
And it's a similar offense. So he's running with Brian Dables,
so he's going to have some familiarity with what they're doing.
But I think Dousa hit the nail on the head
with the roster depth. I think all of us had
concerns about roster depth even before this last preseason game.
I think we've talked about it a lot on our shows,
about the fact that, yeah, they turned over the top

(08:26):
of the roster and they look better in terms of
their frontline players than what they've had in recent years.
But it's going to take more than one offseason to
completely flip the fifty three. And guys like Kyle Duggar,
Anthony Jennings, Jilani Tavai, they might not be in your
long term plans, but it might be a little bit
premature to move on from those players this season because

(08:48):
they are NFL players. So if you start gutting the
roster of guys that aren't scheme fits for what they're doing,
especially on defense, and then you're really turning it over
to depth players that frankly, I don't know our NFL players.
At least I know that if they have a rash
of injuries at safety, Kyle Dugger went right, is a
starting caliber safety in the NFL. At least I know

(09:10):
Anthony Jennings can play the role, can play the position
if they need to have him in there. So I'd
rather them hold their water a little bit on doing
that versus let's flip the entire roster in one offseason
and go into the year with a lot of unknown
I agree.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
I agree with that. I mean, if now depth is
Anthony Jennings and to buy and dother I know they
were a little bit overpriced to be but that's different.
But that's pretty.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
Good I would. Yeah, but that's a different argument, and
I get your point. I don't think that the game
had anything to do with depth, like showing your lack
of depth. I think that where I agree with I
was gonna say where I agree with Fred one thousand
percent is that's somehow now to me that it happened
the week before it happened in the Minnesota game, when

(10:00):
the starters didn't do all that well against Minnesota's backups.
That's when this depth thing started to sort of you know,
everybody somehow looked at the roster and said, huh, they're
a little thin at that spot, which the three of
us have been talking about all off season. You know,
the one big concern we all had is, yeah, they've
upgraded some spots, but it's really hard to do it

(10:21):
all at once. They did a really nice job I
think of increasing the overall talent level, but it's nowhere
near where it needs to be. And certainly if they
lose a gonzo, you see the impact that it has
when you take him out for the whole summer. If
you lose a guy here or there, you don't have
a lot of depth. I didn't need the game against

(10:42):
the Giants Scrubs to tell me that they don't have
a ton of depth. But Fred's right, that sort of
sounded some kind of an alarm.

Speaker 4 (10:49):
Yeah, you know, it's because people were predicting them to
win double digit.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
Games, right, It's like eleven wins or busts, and it's like,
are you looking what they have? Like, I don't know.
I guess I just didn't see that kind of overall
talent level. But the other part of this is what
you guys are talking about with you know, Yeah, I'd
be fine if you have all these guys, But I'm
not sure that like Dugger and Keyon White and like TVAI,

(11:16):
Like is Christian Ellis better than Jelanie to Vais Craig
Woodson better than Kyle Duger? Is Jalen Hawkins better than
Jabrill Peppers?

Speaker 2 (11:26):
Like?

Speaker 3 (11:26):
So you can say that now you have depth, but
I'm not sure that the guys that you're replacing those
guys with are better than the guys they're replacing. But
that's been my big mantra all off season is I'm
really excited about bringing in Milton Williams of Robert splane A,
Carlton Davis, because I think those guys are all better
than the guys they replaced. If they're going to try
to like do this all at once and move on

(11:47):
from let's face it, a contract in Kyle Douglas's case
that they probably don't love, I don't think that's better
for you in the short term.

Speaker 4 (11:55):
Yeah, I mean it might be.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
Better off in the long term, but right now, I
don't think the guys that are playing safety is as
Peppers and Dugger.

Speaker 4 (12:01):
This happens all the time, though, when there's a coaching
staff and a regime change and now they were running
a different defense and Kyle Dugger doesn't fit this defense,
but he fit the last defense, and he signed an
extension with the last regime. And this is Tailor's old
as time in the NFL. But I still I think
we're on the same page that if they had to
play Kyle Dugger, I still feel better about that being

(12:22):
the case and having to play you know, some of
the other guys that they've had in here at that position.
So maybe you feel.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
It was good about having to play Jalen Hawkins and
Craig Woodson.

Speaker 4 (12:32):
Well, but I hear you, but they're also asking them
to do different things.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
Yeah, I Douger's contract wasn't what it was. I don't
think this would be such a huge problem scheme schematically,
that's that's I just think they're looking to get out
of that contract, which is fine. I think that's like,
like Evan just said, it's a taiale as old as time.
Guys want their own their own guys. He signed that
contract under the previous regime. Sure, I don't think that
Mike Vrabel is wrong if he if he thinks like

(12:58):
that again, I'll go back to my shows. I won't
beat them up for something that hasn't happened yet. But
if they're thinking like that, I totally understand that that's
a very normal reaction. It's what I wished happened last year, right,
you know, figure out the guys that you like and
want to move on with and then let the other
guys go. Instead, they just re upped everybody, and I

(13:20):
think that's part of the reason why you're in this situation.
And the other reason that you're in this situation is
the obvious one that Mike always hammers home. When you're
draft like you've drafted, there's your depth. You don't have
any depth. You don't have frontline players, so you had
to bring in free agents to replace guys that weren't
good enough, and you have no depth behind them because
your draft picks. We'll see about this draft class. We

(13:41):
said everything about this draft class. Right now, everything looks great.
You know, Will Campbell's going to start at left tackle
and Jared Wilson has a very good chance to start
at left guard. If they're not any good, then it's
going to be like it was last year when everybody said,
well Jaalen Polk start in day one. But then at
the end of the year you looked at that draft

(14:02):
class a lot differently than you did at the beginning
of the year.

Speaker 9 (14:04):
Yeah, I mean, I just where the injury is going
to happen this year. That's the that's the big unknown,
because in a couple of select spots.

Speaker 7 (14:10):
You're you're you're in trouble pretty quick.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
I just go way back.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
I think we've been saying that for the last five years. Yeah,
and I think it's the Patriots have injuries, and.

Speaker 7 (14:18):
It's probably true.

Speaker 3 (14:19):
I mean, I just think I'm definitely true.

Speaker 9 (14:21):
Reaching for a random example, but going back to two
thousand and four, where you know, thy Log goes down,
but you have at a Sante Samuel kind of waiting
in the wings, and there aren't a lot of positions
on the roster right now, where do you say, like,
maybe I could make an argument of saying, hey, if
one of the defensive linemen goes down, maybe you know,
maybe a rookie like a farmer, like Farmer gets a chance.

(14:41):
Like that's one spot, but there aren't a lot of
other ones, especially like the.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
Tackling spot, those interior defensive linemen. Like I guess I
was thinking we were going to see a little bit
more and I haven't seen.

Speaker 7 (14:53):
I haven't seen much out of Farmer or farms.

Speaker 4 (14:56):
Yeah, guys, right now, but you have Williams far more
top and Tongo I think has had a nice summer
and looks a little bit surprising. And then you know
you see Keon White's kind of like the hybrid guy
that can move around and do different things. So I
still feel like they're okay on the defensive front, especially

(15:16):
with Chase on playing as well as he has all summer.
But I just they're asking these safeties to do a
lot of different things than what they were before.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
Or well.

Speaker 4 (15:26):
Yeah, so the old defense, they were too gapping up front,
so guys were just kind of holding the wall and
you know, eating blocks and things like that. So the
second level of the defense where the playmakers, the linebackers
in the safeties, the hybrid safeties are the guys that
were supposed to come up and make plays, Whereas now
the defensive line is teeing off and they're getting up
the field, so they're not necessarily asking the second and

(15:49):
third level of the defense to make as many tackles
or many splash plays as they were before. So now
it's more about covering space. It's about being in space,
cover more ground sideline to sideline, but also covering in
the back end in terms of past game stuff, So
the safeties are gonna be more in like deep zones

(16:10):
and like ranging over the top and like doing that
sort of thing, versus like Kyle Duggar coming up and
trying to fill the B gap, you know, like he
would in the old defense. So there's just a lot
of different moving parts in terms of how they what
they're asking. So even though I agree with Paul just
in a game of Madden, like Kyle Duggar probably has
a higher rating than Craig Woodson or Jalen Hawkins, but

(16:32):
in this scheme, their skill set might be better than
Kyle Duggar's for the type of defense that they want
to run. If they're gonna play, oh those guys deep,
it's gonna be different.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
It makes sense like if you were going back in
the draft and drafting, you wouldn't draft Doug or for
this system, right, you know, but for the old system
where you want someone to get down close to the line,
And he made sense, I that could be possible.

Speaker 7 (16:59):
Yeah, see how it comes together?

Speaker 9 (17:00):
I mean, I still think these things are very fluid,
and as we get really going into the nitty gritty
of the season, you'll see what they have planned for
specific roles, and you know, how does it all come
together on a week to week basis. Certainly things have
been interesting to watch, especially the last couple of days
of practice that were not allowed to report on. But
they're shifting into that regular season mode and you're you're
getting a little bit more clarity of how they're going

(17:21):
to see things. But I would expect a lot of
rotation across both sides of the ball.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
Well Rabel said that the other day, especially on defense
up front. He said, you know, there's gonna be a
lot of guys getting reps and probably evenly distributed, and.

Speaker 4 (17:34):
They want to play fast like they want to play.
If you want to be aggressive, that's it.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
That's why Milton Williams didn't have a lot of reps
as much as we think you might get here. Yeah,
all right, so we've got that on the table. Later
in the show. Gary Myers just came out with this book,
it's The Brady Belichick Debate, and we're going to be

(18:01):
talking to him in the one o'clock hour. He's going
to call in, so we'll talk about the book. I've
read it, Paul has read it. I've learned a couple
of things that I don't think I knew. Album. We'll
talk about that when he's on the show. Okay, yeah, good,
So look forward to that.

Speaker 7 (18:17):
Get to the bottom of it.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
Yeah, finally, what else do we got kind of settled?

Speaker 9 (18:23):
Like I was going to say practice the last couple
of days, I just thought, was, you know, interesting, And
to Paul's.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
Have you noticed a change in practice since you know,
training camp and the public portion of training camp has ended.

Speaker 9 (18:34):
A little bit A little bit, I mean, it's a
little more fun that they're actually doing drills on the
field right in front of us now, whereas during training
camp they're always like it feels like as far away
as possible. But you know, it's just funny because we're
watching practice, and I think you did it on our
first run of the show. We talked about we don't
really know like where we're at right now between the
last preseason game and there's just this void in between

(18:56):
now in the first.

Speaker 7 (18:56):
Regular season game.

Speaker 9 (18:58):
It's long, but all of a sudden, in the middle
of practice, like you see very able go over and
like this isn't it. We're not reporting any of this stuff, guys,
So so not like game plan all right, they're running
the Raiders defense right now, but they're definitely still getting
work in and as they've made cuts, you've seen the
team start to come together and get whittled down a
little bit. So definitely some interesting things. I mean, I

(19:18):
would without saying anything. I just think Drake's Drakes looked
pretty good the last couple of days. And you know,
that's you know, what everybody wants to know, and that's
the big topic because you're going into the season. But
I thought he's had, you know, solid, a couple of
days of practice and we'll see if the mount of
activity got this summer was enough for him to start
fast and I mean come out of the gates.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
So obvious that I think, at least on this show,
I don't think we've talked about it as much as
other shows, But it really does come down to Drake May,
doesn't it, And it's all about his development.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
Yeah, well, if you want to do one of those
sort of worse to first meteoric rise, you can't do
that unless the quarterback play is at a much much
higher level. And that's how And I know it's it's
always case by case, but just look at all the
teams that you can think of that did that, and
it almost always involves a guy either coming into the
program and playing at a higher level or just making

(20:08):
a huge leap from one year to the next, you know,
like Stroud and Daniels. There's a million, million examples, but
those are the two most recent that come to mind.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
Yeah. Absolutely, so all eyes are going to be on
him every game.

Speaker 9 (20:22):
Every press comes with the position. I mean, he spoke
yesterday and I think he's saying all the right things.
I think he gets it, and it's I just everybody
needs to realize this is gonna be a process, you know,
like it's not gonna like we're not coming out of
the gate week one.

Speaker 7 (20:35):
It'll give him a little bit of leeway.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
And I know how this show is predicting thirteen wins
even eleven. You know, like my I've been steadfast and
I'm staying I'm staying with it. Flora is six, Ceiling
is ten. That's that's what I've been saying, and I
haven't seen anything yet to make me change that. Now
that's a pretty wide gap, and I think they're probably
going to end up somewhere in the middle, somewhere around eight.

(21:01):
But if they do that, I'll be happy. Something had
to have gone right compared to last year for them
to get to AID and I'll be okay with that.
If it's more than that, great, But again, we're not
just one year. We're two years in a row. For
win team. You know, it's gonna take some time, folks,

(21:23):
it really is.

Speaker 4 (21:24):
I just wonder if they can win enough games and
show enough promise to make themselves more desirable for some
of the build up programs.

Speaker 7 (21:31):
I feel like there's a program if Drake makes.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
Playing well, okay, you're going to see the future.

Speaker 4 (21:36):
Because it is it has been frustrated in the last
couple of years, and it does seem like they do
want to pay a wide receiver to come here to
play with Drake May, but it doesn't feel like any
of the wide receivers want to take their money. So
can you change that narrative? Can you change that perception
of the team so that next offseason, if they offer
Chris Godwin type player thirty thirty five million dollars, he

(21:58):
actually takes it of going back to Tampa Bay, or
Brandon Ayuk says don't trade for me, or Calvin Ridley
goes to Tennessee instead of coming here, like, it would
be nice to at least be able to change that
perception a little bit.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
Yep, yeah, yeah, And that's why you just sort of
have to see it. But I would agree with Fred
on the surface, you know, if they were to win
eight games, it would be hard to believe for me
that that wasn't progress, that wasn't a sign of progress.
Now you're right, Like, you might look at it and
maybe they win a couple of ugly games against teams
that are not very good and Drake may doesn't look

(22:31):
great in winning them, and then you're like, they won,
but you might change your mind, you know, like the
twenty one, you know, ten and seven season, and you know,
they went to the playoffs and it was hard not
to be excited with a rookie quarterback. But somehow Cranky
Paul wasn't overly excited at the time because of the
way they won some of those games, you know, taking
advantage of massive injuries to a couple of teams and

(22:53):
winning a three to nothing game in ridiculous conditions, Like
it just didn't really seem like it was something that
was sustainable to me, and it wasn't. Yeah, so you
might see that and you might look at it, you know,
and say, well, I don't feel as good about the
eight wins as I thought I would feel, but I would.

Speaker 4 (23:11):
Twenty two season like they were eight and nine and
twenty twenty two. And if you if you finished this
year eight and nine, you'd feel good. But that season
was the offense was already kind of falling apart at
that point, and it did not look like it was
headed in a good direction. So you can go eight
and nine in this league and still not feel great
about your team.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
Yeah, I think if Rable all of a sudden decides
to make a defensive coordinator, offensive coordinator and all that stuff,
like there were conditions there.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
Two games worse than you were the previous year, so
you won.

Speaker 4 (23:45):
Some some bad football games that year in twenty twenty two,
like just rock fights.

Speaker 9 (23:51):
I think though, with the inevitable injuries that happened, it
would really reflect well on this team if let's just
say no random example, like the right tackle goes down
and you need to have one of these youngsters get
in and play and look confident, or if you need
to turn to maybe a player like I mean we
keep saying Toby but Jennings, like you have to turn
to somebody who maybe you don't think ever quite got it,
but now he looks like he's playing well in this

(24:13):
system or playing well for these coaches.

Speaker 7 (24:15):
You know, those little things.

Speaker 9 (24:16):
I think what might be the details you have to
look for to get the full picture of the season,
where you know, yeah, they had some injuries, but man
Vederian Lowe had to fill in for Will Campbell for
two days and it wasn't a disaster like it was
last year.

Speaker 7 (24:28):
And like those things, I.

Speaker 9 (24:29):
Think little signs that they're building a program here. I
think that's to me what Evan's kind of getting at,
that there's a program here, there's a sense of who
this team's identity is and do you want to come
be a part of it. I felt that way about
Mike Frabele and Tennessee. He kind of had an identity there.
You knew what you were going to have to deal with.
Part of it was Derreck Henry, of course, but you know,
at the same time, those players emerge when you have
a good situation, and those become your stars.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
That we I mean, there's one thing that we've learned,
and I say learn, but one thing that's been cemented
in the last few weeks is that they've just failed
in the drafting the last few years. And one of
the reasons we're in the situation we're in now is
because of that. And when you think about it, Drake
May being you know, the sole survivor of last last

(25:13):
year's draft, you know, possible.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
Yeah, I mean there's a couple other guys still around, right.

Speaker 9 (25:19):
But Marcello style might have been in the main. I mean,
then they're not the star players that they needed. And
I mean every one of these draft misses from going
back to whatever you want to do eighteen, I mean,
every time you have one of these drafts where you
don't pull anything, it's another year you're going to pay
for it down the road.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
And you don't have to have stars from every draft,
but you need contributors two, you know, three, maybe four
at the high end, contributors from every draft, and that
builds your foundation. Those are your guys that you're you're
building around, and then you're adding pieces through free agency
and subsequent drafts. You have to do that.

Speaker 4 (25:54):
But I feel like what Deuce was saying about the program,
like it's only half the battle to identify the talent
in the draft. The other half of the battles developing
the talent and then being scheme fits and like all
that good stuff. So like you can go out there
and you can think that Jalen Polk is a really
good college player and he's a You scout him and
you think he's gonna be a good NFL pro, but
then he gets to the pros and he's in an

(26:15):
offense that doesn't really suit him, or he's in an
offense that doesn't have great coaching or great foundation to
it or anything, and that can derail a young player's career,
as it has in a lot of ways for Polk.
So I'm not saying that Polk would have been a
star if he was in a better situation, But it's
kind of hard to say, like was it the chicken
or was it the egg with the twenty twenty four draft,

(26:36):
because everything was in such a state of flux with
the entire program that I just don't know if any
of those guys really stood a chance. And I think
Drake May is so talented that he's kind of full
proof of this, Like he kind of just overcame it.
But you're not gonna if you're like a third or
fourth round pick, you're not going to overcome this kind
of coaching turnover and all this different stuff. So hopefully

(27:00):
like they get back to a place with Vrabel and
this staff where they can develop talent again.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
Yeah, that's a good point. You can't undervalue coaching in
the NFL like other sports. It's not half as important
as football. That's my opinion.

Speaker 4 (27:17):
There's just so many examples of guys that we all
thought were going to be good coming out of college
and it just doesn't work for whatever reason. And a
lot of the times it's talent, but a lot of
the times it's also situation and the coaching that he
had and the scheme he was in and it just
doesn't click for him at this level. So you know,
look at Chaison, like if Chaison has a good year

(27:38):
with the Patriots, Like that's a former first round pick
that's kind of had some bad luck along the way
here with coaching changes and things like that. So maybe
it's just as simple for him as he's in the
right place at the right time now and he realizes that.

Speaker 9 (27:53):
I found myself thinking a lot about last year's class
and just a lot of the same scouts and regime
that pick those players are still here. And I'm not
trying to get into like blame and all that, but
I just I wonder about the whole relationship of the
coaching staff saying these are the kind of players we
want or you know, does the scouting staff bring them
the players.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
Say these are the guys who I think we'll just
touched on it. I can't I can't see it working
the other way. I think it has to start from
the head coach down where he sets the philosophy. He decides,
this is the type of football we want to play,
These are the type of players we need for each position,
and then he gives that menu to his scouting staff
and go find these players. I can't think. I can't

(28:35):
imagine it working the other way, where they're telling the
coach how to play. The coach has to tell them
how they want to play. And that was the beauty
of having Bill for all these years is like you
can argue about like he wasn't the greatest drafter throughout,
but like there was always that foundation, like the scoutings
knew how Bill wants. You know, this is a type

(28:58):
of safety he's looking right, this is the type of
linebacker he's looking for. And having that consistency helps, you know,
that's we need to get back to that. Well.

Speaker 4 (29:06):
I think Rabel's that guy. Like Rabel, that's Elliot Wolf
has said that they were more organized this year in
the draft and a big reason why is that Rabel
has a vision of the type of players that he
wants them to draft. And I think, you know, a
big part of it is also Ryan Cowden and Stretch
being involved. But it just seems like they have types
now again. They have you know, scheme fits and guys

(29:27):
like this is our safety type, this is you know,
the body type a lot, and this is the skill
set that we want. And that's like last year's draft,
I just think even at the time in real time,
you were just kind of wondering, like, who does this
player fit? Like they were drafting you know, big power
guards to play in an outside zone scheme and it's like,

(29:47):
so were you drafting based off of what they were
doing in the past and you just didn't have the time.
He didn't feel like to kind of uproot the system
and change it on the fly. So like Leyden Robinson,
you know, isn't going to be on this team anymore,
you know, as a draft pick from last year, I
never really understood the scheme with Leyden Robinson, like they
were going to run a West Coast offense, They're gonna

(30:10):
be outside zone, and then they've drafted a power guard
to play in that offense, and it just didn't really
fit to begin with. And when you're drafting at that
area of the draft, third, fourth, fifth round, you're not
getting start Like, that's not where you're expecting to get
stars that are scheme proof. That's where you're expecting to
get depth and guys that fit what you're trying to do, right,

(30:31):
So I just I think it's a big difference when
you have a guy like Rabel that's saying, this is
what we're gonna do, you know, in all all walks
of it, in all position groups.

Speaker 7 (30:40):
That's I was just gonna say, sorry for that's what
a DNA might say.

Speaker 9 (30:43):
And you, I think you're right, like you need to
hit on those draft picks at least to have that base.
But I would say every two years you need to
find a star player. But every two years there needs
to be someone somewhere that come and can play above expectations.
And if you don't do that, you don't start to
those of the guys you have to hit in the.

Speaker 4 (30:59):
First Oddly they have hit in the first round, like
Christian Gonzalez was a hit. I think Drake May we
we think is going to be a hit. So in
a way that they have hit in the first round
in the last couple of years. I mean, Gonzales, All
Pro player like that, that was one of Bill's best
draft picks at the end. So it's weird. It's like
they actually have hit in the first round the last

(31:21):
couple of years. It's been the rest of the drafts
that have looked like disasters.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
Paul looks like he's holding something in no, no, okay, And.

Speaker 3 (31:29):
You guys are all right, yeah, I mean you guys
yelling me when I dominate the comtry, I hear a
lot of I.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
Hear a lot of people, you know, criticizing Elliott Wolf. Well,
you know, the common factor in all these drafts is
Elliot Wolf. But I firmly believe that he's following orders
from above and.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
And that might be one little thing that I was holding. Okay,
might might you might have uncovered.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
So I think, you know, we'll see, we'll see what
happens with that situation. But like if if you don't
have that, you know, I don't know, buttoned up you know,
philosophy of here's the type of team, here's the type
of football we want to play. It makes it tough
on your talent evaluators. What am I evaluating for?

Speaker 7 (32:14):
Right, you know?

Speaker 9 (32:15):
And that's why I need to end this year feeling
positive about the draft picks. I mean, I think to
Paul's point, last year, you ended last year you didn't
feel great about them. I mean, maybe we felt had
some positivity going into the season, and maybe came the season.

Speaker 3 (32:28):
People were over the top. It was a bang of
a draft class. I'm already seeing now people are tweeting
that it looks like all the draft picks are going
to make it. I don't think that that will be
the case because I think we haven't found out. I
think there's still like another half dozen or so guys
to get cut. But that to me, doesn't make it
a good draft class. No, if all your rookies make it,

(32:49):
that's to me. That's especially when you have no baseline,
And it.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
Also could be an indication of where the status of
your team now if everybody's making it, Like.

Speaker 3 (32:59):
If you have four guys that start or that play
key roles and they play well, then that's a good
draft class. Right Like, I don't care if you know,
all these guys end up making it. Initially, first of all,
it's a little deceiving too. You have a kicker and
a long snapper. I mean, they gotta make it. Those
guys are gonna make it. But you know what, what
is I go back to, like right at the top,

(33:25):
if Will Campbell is just a tackle, is that a
great draft class? Or if he's like a pro Bowl player? Okay,
now you know you get him and you get Henderson's
it looks like a playmaker. Kyle Williams. We really don't
know yet about Kyle Williams. We haven't really seen a
ton from him. But if he's contributing in like you
remember Malcolm Mitchell as a as a rookie, you know, like, Okay,

(33:47):
there's one, two, three, first three rounds, right, you got
contributing players that are playing at a pretty good level.
That's a good draft class.

Speaker 4 (33:55):
And it looks like Woodson is going to be a
contributor to Yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
I think he's playing. I put him in the second category,
like I expect him to be playing. I don't know
how well we'll play. I haven't seen anything from him
a summer.

Speaker 4 (34:08):
He does a lot of things on the back end.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
You know, things that I don't see.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
But you're not a ballmer, Paul.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
But that wasn't That wasn't for him. That was just
in general. It's like that's what they're selling, So I'm
not buying everything that they're selling. Let's put it that way.
A little cya going on with Elliott Wolfe.

Speaker 4 (34:27):
I don't think that, I hear you, like, I don't
think Craig Woodson's going to be an impact player on
the ball, right, But I think he's going to be.
He's going to be in the ripe spots and he's
going to be positionally sound. He's going to cover ground
back there, and he's going to do the things that
they ask him to do. I just like Harmon, Sure,
like Deron Harmon, Like I is he going to be

(34:49):
Earl Thomas and have a bunch of interceptions and plays
on the football. Probably not. But do you need those
types of guys?

Speaker 2 (34:55):
Not everyone can be.

Speaker 3 (34:58):
I don't need Devin McCarty types. If you're going to
be that guy, you're not going to be. But if
you're not going to necessarily be that. But he wasn't
really a Pro Bowl safety. He was more of a
Pro Bowl early in his career. If if you're going
to be like a non playmaker back there you're just
going to always be in the right spot. Yeah, I
want I want Devin mccordy.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
Yeah, we all did we all do?

Speaker 1 (35:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (35:18):
Absolutely, Yeah, I want you to be like that. Like
to Evans's point, like there's things that Devin mccordy did
that you didn't always notice, but he was always.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
You noticed it when he wasn't on the field right.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
And I noticed that they almost never gave up those
over the top kind of place. Yeah, if that's what's
happening with Craig Woodson, then I'll gladly sit here and say,
well he's that kind of a player.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
Okay, eight five five Pats five hundred is the hot line.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
I haven't seen that in the preseason game or in
the practice.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
It's hard to see anything in the preseason.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
I watched practice, though I can see a lot.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
Podcast at Patriots dot Com is the email address. Let's
get to the phones. Remember we're going to be talking
to Gary Myers in the second half of the show.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
What's that I'm just talking to having over here? We're
having about you pointed at me, So remind me of
that line, what line about? Yeah, it's hard to see
anything in the press, it is it is. I don't
know what she's something.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
You know, during the Brady years receiver rarely did they
have a winning preseason, even when they were at four games.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
We're not talking about wins and losses. We're talking about
the personal.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
I'm talking about like, how many times during the Brady
years we'd watch a preseason game. Boy, are twos and
threes aren't as good as their twos and threes? Right?
We said that a lot.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
I'm sure I did. I don't know we did. I
don't really. I haven't really cared about the preseason in
all long.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
Okay, that's my point.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
Twenty five years, that's my point.

Speaker 4 (36:35):
Maybe they've cared about it a little longer.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
Billy's if you talk about joint practices, I think that's
more valid. Uh, Billy's in Rentham. What's up, Billy Hey,
Billy Hey?

Speaker 3 (36:51):
Yes, turn it up.

Speaker 10 (36:55):
Matt he is? Is he an IR guy? Or he
fifty three main guy? A practice quad or.

Speaker 3 (37:06):
Carel Jennings?

Speaker 9 (37:06):
No? No, yeah, he got he got hurt, and we
haven't really seen much of him, so I'm not sure
where that puts him right now. But I liked him
last summer. I saw more of them last summer. He
never really jumped out to me this year like he
did last year. He kind of ran hard last year.
But yeah, he's a big question mark for me. I
wouldn't be surprised to see him sick on the practice squad,
but I don't.

Speaker 7 (37:24):
I haven't seen.

Speaker 9 (37:25):
Anything to think that he's going to push for fifty
three spot. Yeah, yeah, yeah, those guys probably practice squads though,
I think.

Speaker 4 (37:35):
Yeah I did. Did they keep four running backs? I
think is one thing that was sort of circled on
my because I think Gleann Larrison was going to make
the team field stayed healthy, My guy, yeah, got hurt.
I think he was going to make the team. So
do they have to do they pivot to a different

(37:56):
running back? I think there's reports out there that it's
not going to be hasty that Tasty was was released.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
So and certainly to Billy's point, if Terrell Jennings is
on the fifty three man roster, I think Evan's right,
that was a sign that land Larrison probably would have
made the team. Now if they stick with three, then
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
Let's go to Christian. He's going to behave today. Christian
in La, what's up? Oh, what's going on over there?
What are you doing? I can't hear you. It's hard.
Are you better?

Speaker 3 (38:29):
Now?

Speaker 10 (38:30):
You better? Now?

Speaker 2 (38:32):
We keep talking, keep talking of all.

Speaker 10 (38:40):
Bradberry thing, but wait instead of sitting in reserve.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
It's hard to hear you. Sorry, Christian, You've got a
bad connection.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
It's calling from an uber that car from underwater.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Yeah, it's it's hard.

Speaker 4 (38:55):
Something about Bradberry. I heard that.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (38:59):
Bradberry's on the team and he's gonna be the starting
center and we're gonna.

Speaker 7 (39:02):
See how it goes and you will like it.

Speaker 4 (39:05):
That's the Bradbury analysis. Like he's gonna play, he's gonna start.
If it goes poorly, I think it could get interesting.
Maybe Ben Brown goes into the starting lineup, maybe Jared
Wilson bumps over the center and something like that.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
But they're gonna roll with Bradbury for now, all right,
Brentson Reno, Hey, Brent.

Speaker 10 (39:25):
Hey, guys, you're talking about draft classes.

Speaker 11 (39:27):
I'm want to shout out to the boss man Frey
Kurs for Ironhawks Audio getting shop.

Speaker 10 (39:32):
Well, love it great, pick. I would like to you
and I'll take this off the air. Can you guys
throw down? On Madden rating for what you like, see
this team as right.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
Now, throw out a Madden rating for every team? Is
that what you said?

Speaker 4 (39:47):
Just a Patriots like the overall team Madden rating or
like player Madden rating?

Speaker 10 (39:53):
Yeah, Like, I mean, do you think that we're like
sitting in the seventies.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
I couldn't even know what that means.

Speaker 4 (39:58):
I like, so I don't know each team, all thirty
two teams gets an overall grade.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
From matter what's high? Who's high?

Speaker 4 (40:05):
Like ninety nine is the high?

Speaker 2 (40:07):
Ninety nine is high? Does anyone happen ninety nine?

Speaker 7 (40:09):
No?

Speaker 2 (40:09):
Okay, now what's the highest team?

Speaker 4 (40:12):
Probably in the high nineties. But ninety nine to ninety
nine club is like a player thing. But that's like
the four or five best players in the NFL get
rated ninety nine. I think this year it's Lamar, Josh, Allen, Miles, Garrett. Yeah,
so what if you're an win team, usually probably like

(40:32):
seventy eight.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
Okay, that's what it is.

Speaker 4 (40:34):
You're going to put an exact number for you? Yeah,
usually I will, like for what it's worth, like Madden.
Typically they don't. They're kind of polite about it, like
their scale is not like it's not like, you know,
the team they think is going to pick number one
overall is like a forty, and then like the team
they think that's gonna win the Super Bowl is like

(40:55):
a ninety eight. Right, It's usually like the team that
they think are the worst in the league, girl, like
a seventy. You know, they're kind of nice about it.
So that's Madden. There's your Maden minute.

Speaker 7 (41:07):
My son kills me in mad and it's so frustrated.

Speaker 4 (41:09):
That's embarrassing.

Speaker 7 (41:10):
Kills me.

Speaker 9 (41:11):
And I'm like trying to run like plays and stuff,
and he just knows how to work the controller and
get go to the guy that he needs to get
and like picks off every pass.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
Half the battle is learning the Controller's like learning to
do without looking at it.

Speaker 9 (41:22):
You know, I'm getting all cocky. I'm like, oh, I'm
gonna hit you with the blitz right here, and he's
just like touchdown.

Speaker 4 (41:27):
Yeah No, that's like second not being having to look
at the controllers like second nature for us.

Speaker 9 (41:31):
Like that's like, no, whenever I throw a pass, he
switches to the cornerback and he breaks on it and
like picks it off every single time.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
Like I can't.

Speaker 7 (41:37):
Guys can't get open.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
Control, because if you could, if you could operate a
controller like you do a remote, unbeatable.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
I was not very good at Madden. My kids showed
me how to play like enough to get a playoff,
and then they just like destroyed it. I would They're
just going to keep fifteen years ago, like I.

Speaker 4 (42:04):
Remember the Titans.

Speaker 12 (42:05):
You know.

Speaker 4 (42:05):
He says that we run the same three plays. It's like, no, okay,
we just keep running them. That's Madden. Like you can't
if you're going in there and you're trying to like
scroll through the pages and all these playbooks like all
this stuff. No, what you gotta do is you got
to find like the one team that you really like
playing with, and then find like two or three plays
that really work with that offense. Like for me, it was,

(42:27):
you know, Gronk on the corner route and you have
like Veren or White releasing into the flat and you'd
high low the defender out there, and you just like
it would just grind, it would just kill. And like
I could run that play one hundred times in a
row and nobody could stop it because the.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
Computer got the defense spinning and never and if you
run the.

Speaker 4 (42:48):
Ball and Madden are you punt and Madden yourf Don't
do that? Yeah, don't do that.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
That's it. That's that's that's a little bit more than
a Madden minute right there.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
You Mike would give up the all in three downs
just so we could go back to play.

Speaker 9 (43:01):
Now.

Speaker 7 (43:02):
I love I love you know.

Speaker 4 (43:04):
It's just like people that you played in that it's
like fourth down and they're like, we're gonna play field
position here. It's like, what are you doing? It's a
video game.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
David Bethlehem would like an autopsy of the twenty twenty
drafts where the traite priority pour? Did scouts mess up?
Did Belichick ignore input?

Speaker 12 (43:25):
Why?

Speaker 3 (43:25):
Twenty twenty?

Speaker 7 (43:26):
The twenty twenties, Oh yeah, twenty twenty, So.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
Why were they so bad?

Speaker 4 (43:31):
There's a lot to unpacked.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
Yeah, what's the autopsy?

Speaker 3 (43:34):
I mean, there's probably no simple answer. But I do
feel Bill like the whole notion of identifying the players
you want and that that fit you. I think part
of the problem was that those guys were no longer
as effective in the in the current game. He's looking for,

(43:54):
you know, bigger guys to be stout in two gap
and a lot of other team teams are sort of
transitioning to smaller, quicker, you know, more athletic deep defenders,
and at the same time you're looking to exploit those
guys a little bit on offense.

Speaker 12 (44:14):
You know.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
The playmaker thing. I mean, it speaks for itself with
Belichick's drafts, like when was the last like real playmaker
he was able to acquire?

Speaker 8 (44:21):
Fred Gary is ready to go.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
Okay, all right, well listen, we won't make them hold on. Gary.
Myers is on the line, and Gary is coming out
on September sixteenth with Brady versus Belichick. I've got that
right here. I've read it, Paul has read it. Gary.
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 8 (44:42):
How you doing, guys, Thanks for having me on.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
It's Paul Pirello, Evan Lazarre, Mike Dusseau, myself, Fred Kirsch.
First of all, congratulations on the book.

Speaker 8 (44:52):
Thanks a lot. It was It was really a lot
of fun to research and write it.

Speaker 13 (44:56):
And you know, I've told people that, you know, although
I was working in New York all those years, I
cover an awful lot of Patriots games, so I felt
like I'd lived through the whole twenty years like people
in New England did, and met a lot of people
made a lot of contexts and you know, hopefully put
together a book that people will enjoy reading.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
So a lot of these books, these retrospective books, you know,
we go in hoping to learn new things, which even
I've been with the team for over thirty years, I
think I learned some new things. And we can get
into that in a little bit. But what did you
learn in the process of writing this book.

Speaker 13 (45:37):
That's a good question. Let me think about that one
for one second. I think the thing that really stood
out to me was that people have tended to forget
with Belichick's influence was on Brady early in his career,
because it surely seemed over the last ten years of

(45:59):
the dynasty, and I think it's you know, two distinct
ten year dynasties in which they won three Super Bowls
in each of the ten years. But I think in
the last ten years it was clearly Brady's team, and
he was a dominant contributor and personality of the team.
But you know, early on, like I said, I think

(46:21):
when people are starting to evaluate the twenty years together,
they're forgetting that Tom was a six round pick and
he hadn't gotten drafted by Belichick. Hem and not have
been drafted, and Bill kept him as a fourth string quarterback.

Speaker 8 (46:34):
And then the following year.

Speaker 13 (46:35):
Everybody knows that Bledsoe got hurt and he was ready
to come back two months later, and Bill kept and
stuck with Tom. And I think Belichick deserves a lot
of credit for all those things I just mentioned, but
I think it kind of gets lost.

Speaker 8 (46:51):
In the overall evaluation of the Patriots accomplishments.

Speaker 13 (46:56):
And I think that's that's what I really took out
of this, is that with all people I spoke with,
it's oh, you know, the ones who said it was
clearly Tom and I used to play devil's advocate for
a little bit, you know, I was saying, well, what
about this and what about that? And how it all
got started? And you know, doesn't Belichick deserve credit for that?

(47:18):
And you, oh, yeah, you know, we've kind of forgot
about that stuff. So I think, again, the overall big
picture tends to overshadow the early years of the Brady
Belichick relationship.

Speaker 3 (47:32):
Yeah, you mentioned you talked to you know, you had
a lot of interviews in this book, and you talk
to a lot of different people. Did anybody I assume
that some of these people you didn't really have much
of a relationship beforehand. Did anybody really stick out to
you as being really insightful in terms of their analysis?

Speaker 8 (47:51):
Absolutely.

Speaker 13 (47:52):
And I'm going to give you a name, and you're
going to say, how did you not know that? But
I didn't really know Devin mccordy before I sat down
with him. I had breakfast with him one morning in
New Jersey, uh, you know, a year and a half
ago whatever, And I had heard from uh, you know,
Aaron Salkin and the Patriots PR Department. When I was

(48:13):
asking him for his recommendations on some guys that I
didn't know, you know, who would be good for me
to get to get together with.

Speaker 8 (48:20):
He said that Devon was at the top of his list.

Speaker 13 (48:22):
And I'd come away blown away by what a great
guy he was and how smart he was and insightful.

Speaker 8 (48:27):
And I think Aaron even underestimated Devin.

Speaker 13 (48:32):
He's one of the I've gotten to know him really
well in the time since I interviewed him, and we've
gotten together a few times, you know, all in the
forty years I've covered the league.

Speaker 8 (48:42):
I mean, I put him in my top.

Speaker 13 (48:43):
Five of guys that I really really like a lot,
and he's just a great guy and he's really smart,
and I'm not surprised he's doing so well on television
and you know, on top of a lot, obviously he
was a great player.

Speaker 8 (48:57):
Voted a captain in only his second year is pretty
unusual for a team that was, you know, filled with veterans.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
Absolutely, I'm sure you know that he and I are
colleagues on the paper the Patriots preseason games. So yeah,
Devn and I are pretty tight. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah.

Speaker 8 (49:13):
I mean you're lucky because I really enjoy him a lot.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
He's great.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
One of the things I learned Gary, and you know,
I don't want to give away your conclusion. Let people
read it and read that for themselves. But one of
the things I learned, I don't I didn't know that
when Parcels, when Kraft bought the team, that Parcels had
asked if maybe Tim Mahra could be hired as sort
of a go between what like, I had no idea

(49:40):
about that.

Speaker 13 (49:41):
Yeah, it wasn't so much to be hired. He wanted
to craft to sell one percent of the team to
Tim Mahra. You know, Tim was Bill's confident with the Giants.
Now Bill had a great relationship with Willing Timara, but
he was really close to Tim Marhra and he felt
that Tim could be kind of the buffer between him

(50:03):
and Craft and suggested to him. I don't know how
deep into the Craft ownership that happened, but it wasn't
very long that he went to Craft and said, you know,
I got this great idea. You know, why don't you
sell one percent to Tim Mayer. You know, he's my guy,
and then we can communicate through him. And Kraft goes, no,
I'm not doing that. I don't want anybody between you

(50:24):
and me. I want us to have that kind of relationship.
And Bill just never embraced Craft, which you guys know
because after four years the relationship kind of disintegrated and
Bill was gone. But I think that's something they both
come to regret. But just the fact that Bill wanted
to bring in his own guy into ownership tells you

(50:47):
all you need to know about how Bill felt about
Craft in the early years.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
I wanted to stick on the Parcels thing because one
of the things that stood out to me when reading
it was the story of when Parcels originally left the Giants,
and you had sort of explained how, and I remember,
you know, so what, I was just out of college
when this happened, and I sort of remember, but I
wasn't in the business yet or anything like that, so
I didn't know all the details. I always felt Parcels

(51:12):
left the Giants late, you know, when he stepped down,
and it was after Belichick had already accepted the Cleveland job,
and I kind of took that out as well. He
obviously didn't want Belichick to replace him. But you sort
of explained how George Young had always said that Belichick
would never be the Giants head coach.

Speaker 13 (51:30):
Yeah, I mean, Parcels towards the end of the nineteen
ninety season went to George Young and said, do you
want me to do everything I can to keep Belichick
and or Tom Coughlin because you know, Tom then went
to Boston College and stayed the rest of the season
with the Giants, and Belichick got hired, you know, quickly

(51:51):
after the Giants beat the Bills in a Super Bowl,
and George told him.

Speaker 8 (51:54):
No, let him both go if they want to go.

Speaker 13 (51:57):
And Bill goes, but I'm not sure what I'm doing
next year, And George said, no, that's okay, and that's
because he had Ray Hanley in mind, the running back
coach that nobody ever really knew much about. But he
was very similar to George. You know, they're both very
you know, professorial types that would say kind of eggheads,

(52:18):
and George felt he was.

Speaker 8 (52:19):
Ray Hanley was a kindred spirit. Although nobody had any idea.

Speaker 13 (52:24):
That he did anything for the Giants other than he
was really helpful of parcels in the game management because
he was a card counter in Vegas and he actually
got thrown out of Vegas to doing that. So he's
great with numbers and so managing the clock in the
last few minutes of the game, it was it came
naturally to him and that was his biggest contribution. So

(52:47):
when Belichick left, you know, Kaflan had already decided to
leave to go to BC, and then Bill didn't leave
until the end in the middle of May.

Speaker 8 (52:55):
A lot of people thought that Bill did it to.

Speaker 13 (52:57):
Screw over the Giants because he enjoyed didn't get along.
And that goes back to after bill S first season,
he was three twelve and one and George would have
hired Howard Schnellenberger to replace him, except Snollenburger turned it down.
Bill found out about it through Al Davis, who found
out about it through Jimmy the Greek and.

Speaker 8 (53:18):
So Parcels always resented George.

Speaker 13 (53:20):
After that, and I think that had something to do
with the fact that Belichick and George never got along.
So Belichick was never going to be the coach of
the Giants, I mean, taking the Cleveland job.

Speaker 8 (53:36):
If he wanted.

Speaker 13 (53:36):
I'm not even sure he would have survived the change
over to the staff to Ray Hanley, not that he
would have wanted to, but if he didn't get the
Cleveland job, I'm not sure where Bill would have been
coaching in nineteen ninety one.

Speaker 8 (53:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
The other thing I think I learned. I'm not sure
I knew this, but maybe I forgot. But you write
that the day that Brady went over to tell Kraft
that you know this is it, I'm leaving that he
already had the Tampa Bajor. He had already decided that
he was going to the BUX. I don't think I
knew that.

Speaker 8 (54:09):
Yeah, I think that.

Speaker 13 (54:10):
Well, First of all, there weren't that many teams that
were going after Brady. If you remember, the Raiders were
somewhat interested, but Gruden put the kebash on that. Tom
actually said a couple of months ago that Chicago was
a possibility.

Speaker 8 (54:26):
But Tampa was his hand picked spot.

Speaker 13 (54:32):
Again, it wasn't like he had twenty teams after him,
and he had studied the roster and there was some
pieces in place in the front office there he's familiar with,
and they had a really good team. I mean they
were seven or nine in twenty nineteen with James Winston
throwing thirty interceptions to go along with thirty three touchdowns.

Speaker 8 (54:53):
So it was clear they had a good team.

Speaker 13 (54:54):
I think went seven games with a quarterback throwing thirty interceptions.
So he knew that it was a spot and it
was only a couple of days later that they made
it efficient.

Speaker 9 (55:04):
Yeah, I got I got a question, how ahead, Mike, Hey, Gary,
you know you've written about the forty nine Ers, the Cowboys,
some of these other dynasties. Do we only look at
this Patriots dynasty as Belichick first Brady? Was there an
element of you know, Bill wash Montana or Staback you
know in Landry.

Speaker 7 (55:22):
Do do we only look at this relationship on the
Patriots uniquely this way?

Speaker 2 (55:27):
Meaning when we look at the like who was more
like like, are there debates about who was more? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 8 (55:35):
Well I think with the Niners, you know, there was.

Speaker 13 (55:42):
Uh, you know, Walsh and Montana won three Super Bowls together,
but then the year after Walsh retired, Montana led the
Niners to another super Bowl with George Seffert, and that was,
you know, was one of the two or three of
the better teams that the Niners had. If I think

(56:04):
the reason that were kind of fixated on this somewhat
is because it was it was six championships together. Wals
in Montana was three, Landry and Starback was two, and
they also lost a couple of Super Bowls together. The
fact that Brady and Belichick was six and three, you know,
far two more super Bowl championships than Nolan. Brats are

(56:26):
one and two more than Montana one, and like I mentioned,
three of those were with Walsh. I think that, like
the body of work almost begs the question, and because
it also lasted twenty years, it begs the question of
which one of these two is more was more responsible?

Speaker 8 (56:44):
And when when you think that Belichick is, you.

Speaker 13 (56:47):
Know, arguably the best coaching NFL history and Brady is
inarguably the greatest quarterback in the NFL history. It's such
a unique circumstance when you have guys who were, you know,
at the very top of what they did, and they
did it together. I think it's only natural to try
to figure out which one was more responsible.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
And despite all that, Gary, who did Jimmy Garoppolo say
it was responsible?

Speaker 12 (57:10):
Right?

Speaker 8 (57:11):
Yeah? I mean that was That's one of the best
quotes to have in the book.

Speaker 13 (57:14):
When I asked Jimmy that question and he said it
was craft basically because he was putting out fires all
the time. I didn't use this quote that Jimmy says,
you know, one day, we'll get together for a beer
and I'll tell you all the inside stuff. I can't
tell you how many times I've heard that from players
and coaches. You know, just give me a few years
when I'm out of the game, and I'll tell you
all the good stuff.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
Right.

Speaker 8 (57:35):
Well, that's a retire they say, Now I still can't
tell you that.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
Well, that's the thing. Gary is like, you know, people say,
you know, why did the Patriots dynasty break up? You
know what, what was the I think the real question
is how did they keep it together for twenty years?
Because you talk to guys like Jimmy Johnson, and you know,
once you start winning, everyone's got their handout and the
entitlement that goes on in any organization from the top down.

(57:59):
But to keep together for twenty years, I think Craft
did have a lot to do with that in terms
of whether it's putting out fires or just mending fences
between Belichick and Brady.

Speaker 10 (58:11):
And all that.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
So I can understand where Garoppolo is coming from when
he says that absolutely.

Speaker 8 (58:17):
I think that's the.

Speaker 13 (58:19):
Understated contribution of the dynasty is Robert Crafts role in it.
You know, besides all the market he's a great businessman,
as you all know, and he bought a franchise for
about two hundred million dollars that's probably worth close to
ten billion now. But a lot of it has to,
you know, be attributed to Belichick because the winning is

(58:41):
would increase the value of the team. I think Craft
did a lot, especially the last ten years, to keep
things together and to try to patch things up and
smooth things over between Craft and Belichick because you know,
I mean between Brady and Belichick, the more you win,
the harder it is to stay together. Al Davis always

(59:02):
told Parcells ten years as the max you can coach
in one place because your audience starts turning a.

Speaker 8 (59:08):
Deaf ear to what your message is.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
Now.

Speaker 13 (59:11):
I think that's changed over the years because of free agency,
because there's a thirty percent roster turnover on the average
team every year, so you have a new audience every year.
But for them to stay as long together as long
as they did was remarkable, and for it to not
blow up until after twenty years together is unheard of.

Speaker 8 (59:34):
And I think that the one question I didn't address
in the book.

Speaker 13 (59:39):
You know, sometimes I guess kicked myself sometimes after it's
too late to change anything.

Speaker 8 (59:45):
The one question I would have liked.

Speaker 13 (59:47):
To explore, and maybe you guys have insight into this
is what would have happened if Belichick was the one
who went to Tampa and Tom stayed.

Speaker 8 (59:55):
In New England.

Speaker 13 (59:56):
So Tom tried to win with the roster that Belichick
had put together. Other would say Josh McDaniels as the
head coach, and Belichick went to Tampa with that roster,
and maybe he would have kept Jameis Winston, I don't.

Speaker 14 (01:00:10):
Know, or just brought in somebody else. Yeah, with Winston, No,
you know, maybe he would have. Maybe he would what
Cam Newton to, uh right, right, Yeah, who knows?

Speaker 13 (01:00:23):
But you know, could Belichick have if they were if
they were to switch spots then because one of the
quotes in the book from Belichick that he told me
was that, you know, Tom, they wouldn't have won it
in twenty twenty with Tom because the roster had you know,
fallen apart, uh to such an extent that he didn't
think Tom could win there. So but you know, in

(01:00:46):
what I would call the alternate Universe that I had
a chapter in the book about the old universe about
things that could have happened in NFL history but didn't.
I should have included this is would Belichick have won
in Tampa without Tom? And could Tom have won in
New England with out Belichick the way those two teams
were constructed.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
In I think I think if it's a it's a
fun discussion, But I think for Bill it would have
taken longer. He needs to build his team the way
he wonts.

Speaker 3 (01:01:11):
The answer is probably no for both. But I would
say that that same roster won twelve games with Brady
quarterback in the year before it was deteriorating all over
the place. We knew, we were all covering it at
the time. I don't think they were a championship contender
with even if Brady stayed, but they they wouldn't have
fallen apart like that with Brady.

Speaker 13 (01:01:31):
If you remember, and you guys know this better than
I do, but if he ended twenty nineteen season, season
didn't the Patriots.

Speaker 8 (01:01:38):
Was a home game to Miami. Oh yeah, first round.

Speaker 13 (01:01:46):
Yeah, so it just continued the next week against against
Tennessee and the playoffs. You know, the arrow was pointing down.
But if they had won that game against Miami, who
knows what would have happened.

Speaker 8 (01:01:57):
Yeah, I wouldn't have won the Super Bowl, but you
never know.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
But like I said, you know, when Vrabel came in here,
he started, he starts he's bringing in his guys. When
Belichick first got to the Patriots, one of the first
things he did was start to bring in his guys like,
you know, Bobby Hamilton and Anthony Pleasant, you know, guys
that were his circle the wagon, guys like Parcels used
to call him. So I think Bill going to Tampa,

(01:02:22):
it wouldn't have been I think eventually he'd probably start winning.
But I don't think it would have been immediately.

Speaker 13 (01:02:27):
You have to remember this, in my opinion, at least
the Tampa roster in twenty twenty was much better than
the Patriots luster.

Speaker 8 (01:02:34):
And to god, yes, all they needed was a quarterback.

Speaker 13 (01:02:37):
They had a good defense, they had a really good
offensive line, they had two good receivers and Evans and Godwin,
they had some good tight ends that they just needed
a quarterback. Maybe they needed the greatest quarterback ever to win.
Maybe somebody a notch or two below wouldn't have won.
But I think I'm not sure that Belichick would have

(01:02:58):
had to turn over that roster.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
It'd be a culture shock for those guys under Bruce
arians and then going to Bill Belichick that would have
been like yeah, so I don't know, but Gary, I appreciate.
If the book is Brady Versus Belichick, it is going
to be available September sixteenth, Do I have that correct?

Speaker 13 (01:03:15):
That's right, It's Brady versus Belichick, The Dynasty Debate September sixteenth,
and anybody who's interested in pre ordering Amazon, you know,
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on September sixteenth.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
Some of us still go to bookstores. All right, Gary,
thanks a lot, congratulations on the book. We'll talk to
you some other.

Speaker 8 (01:03:36):
Time, perhaps anytime. Guys, thanks so much for having me on.

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Speaker 16 (01:05:39):
Plush today at practice Yeah, I think, uh yeah, really,
I think just keep on going, you know us first,
our defense. I think it's always great work, you know
with the guys that got over there, the different stuff
they do, and then really just us, you know, keep
working on communication, you know, knowing our rules for on
our rules and building chemistry on to get ready for
week one. I think, you know, I've been proud of
the guys last two days of you know, taking this

(01:05:59):
time you know to get better and not kind of
usually as a kind of relaxed week. I think we're
trying to you know, get after it and get ready
for We won.

Speaker 13 (01:06:09):
Everything from the spring through the summer to now the
end of training camp.

Speaker 16 (01:06:13):
Yeah, I think we've just been trying to buy in.
You know, Coach Rabel came here in mid clear from
day one, Hey, drop your we goes at the door.
We'll get here to work. We want guys to finish
and work hard and give effort. And I think, you
know we'll start to see that and build that and
just kind of keep working and bring it to the field,
you know, week one. So uh, I'm just trying to
do my part and try to come out here every
day and try to get better.

Speaker 17 (01:06:32):
Being the quarterback makes you the most nervous right now
as you prepare for your first career Week one start.

Speaker 16 (01:06:38):
Well, aspect of being the quarterback makes me most nervous.
I wanna say nerves. I think just just anxious to
get out there. We'll be in front of the home crowd,
hopefully good crowd. Nerves wise, I think you get nerve,
I get nervous, broout, you know, the same amount every
every game out there, I'm thinking, no matter, you know,
back to high school kind of the same. Not really nervous,
just jitters getting out there and kind of once you
get go into the game, I feel good and kind

(01:07:00):
of from here, just you know, getting ready for with
the new guys, kind of new guys playing with so
kind of building chemistry with them. It's probably i'd say
in a game like Setting Brother than that would stay nervous.
I think just more excited and anxious.

Speaker 9 (01:07:11):
How would you describe the identity of this football team
or what we're going to see in.

Speaker 4 (01:07:16):
The regular season?

Speaker 16 (01:07:17):
Yeah, I think, Uh, I think we're trying to build
a team that's bring it every play, you know, no
plays off, you know, no days off. And I think,
what coach, you know, I'm trying to build. What the
guys are trying to you'll give into is uh. You know,
if you're not gonna play hard and you know you
can mess up and do a mistake, we do it
at full speed. And I think we're trying to bring
that and you'll play hard and play hard on the
other team being good condition, and then you know from
there to try to execute, you know, in a situation

(01:07:38):
fal football. I think that's where we're preaching. You know,
so many games or one and lost by one score
and situations, so try to excel in that area and
from there just take care of the football and gives
a chance every week.

Speaker 4 (01:07:48):
I believe you've had the whole summer working with Josh
mc daniels. What's your level of excitement now kind of.

Speaker 3 (01:07:52):
The three preseason games a out of the way for
the next game is the you know, home of the
season opener.

Speaker 4 (01:07:57):
So what's your level of excitement working.

Speaker 3 (01:07:59):
With Yeah, I think I'm pumped up.

Speaker 16 (01:08:01):
I think anytime you get a chance to go into
a game and you'll see how the game plan works.
And you can see a little bit in preseason, but
you know, now it's full go. You'll kind of game
plan a team and you know watching tape, you know,
with you with him in there and just you know,
seeing what he's seeing and try to be on the
same page. That's the funnest part. I think you're playing
the position of trying to You'll see something in the
film room on you know Monday or Tuesday go out

(01:08:21):
there and do in practice and executing the games. That's
kind of how the ritual goes, and it's it's it
feels good when you you know, see it on tape
and accomplish something. So just getting into the groove and
I think just having you know, uh, coordinator who trusts
me and you know, puts full trust and you know,
the guys and myself and go out there and have
some fun.

Speaker 4 (01:08:38):
What the game planning process is going to be like, Yeah,
well we.

Speaker 16 (01:08:41):
Got a little bit sensitive in preseason obviously different the
full week to kind of get going with the guys.
So I'm excited just trying to You'll be all in
the Raiders and take one week at a time and
then from here just try to you'll take the little
details and like I said, follow our rules and go
out there and kind of be instinctive and play hard.

Speaker 17 (01:09:00):
Is it to you to get Stefan involved even on
the practice field and just you know, feeding him targets
and developing Yeah, you guys.

Speaker 16 (01:09:09):
Shoot, he's a phenomenal player. You know what he can do,
and you know how much is you know ball he's
played and how many plays he's make. Just try to
give them give him the football and you know, whether
it's extra work with him or actually worked out of
practice from the film, but trying to he'll be on
the same page. And I think, you know, what's you know,
he's uh, he'll got one on one matchups or he
feels his own. He knows you know, coverage really well.

(01:09:31):
So I think you do a lot of things well.
So it's it's good for us to use him, you know,
as much as he's able to, you know, handle, And
I think it's excited to you know, get there and
you know, don't don't call footballs and then building the
chemistry and practice. I think we've got to kind of
built it, you know here lately, and I think just
kind of carry that into the season.

Speaker 17 (01:09:49):
Is there any pressure on you he's a guy who's
obviously accomplished a lot in his career. Yeah, there's any
pressure on you as a young quarterback to make sure
he gets the ball, make sure he's he's feeling good
about where.

Speaker 4 (01:09:57):
I wouldn't say pressure.

Speaker 16 (01:09:57):
I think he knows, you know, he knows the plays,
and always try to tell the guys, hey, if you've
seen something, hey, you know, give me something on the
sideline or something like that. But I'm gonna try to
throw the guys that open. If he's opened a lot,
then he'll get the ball a lot.

Speaker 9 (01:10:10):
So after the Minnesota game, at the first drive, he
had a couple of up high and said, I just
came out a little shoe stuff, you know, a little
player off.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:10:19):
Do you have any strategies in mind for saying, right,
how can they get out there and just relax at
the beginning years, because it's not unique to you far
about it a lot of guys.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:10:30):
I think just it's kind of like you know, back
in the day playing basketball, kind of find a you'll
find a layup before you start shooting threes. I think
just whether it's a good run or you know, with
the guys up front and the running backs, or maybe
easy completion. But other than that, I think it's just uh,
just getting out there, and I think that's part of it.
I think it's whether it's gonna be kind of the
jitters or gonna be fired up. That's more of what

(01:10:51):
it is. Just to kind of calm that. And I
think kind of use the guys around me as well.
I think use the guys around me to kind of
feel like Hey, you know if if if they're pump up,
I'm gonna get a little pumped up. But you know,
when I get out there, kind of be cool and
calm and collected.

Speaker 3 (01:11:06):
See I think you should get here, I think, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:11:09):
Yeah, I'm sure that'd be great.

Speaker 3 (01:11:11):
Yeah, I'm sure that'd be great.

Speaker 2 (01:11:16):
Got down day tomorrow.

Speaker 17 (01:11:18):
Have you detected any anxiousness in the locker room or
among the players as we approach it tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (01:11:23):
Yeah, it's always a tough day.

Speaker 16 (01:11:24):
You know, I really got to experience it, you know,
one time last year with the guys around the locker room.
Obviously you hear about it, and you have so many
guys out here that worked their butts off that are
kind of you'll fight and crawling to make the team,
and you know that, you know, it's news that obviously
they're unfortunate for them and unfortunate for us. Who you'll
build a relationship with them. And I remember the rookies,

(01:11:44):
I felt like all those guys are with me and
in training camp, and you know, coming out of rookie
Minnie camp and next thing, you know, like that, we
got down at ten or twelve lookers in the locker
room from thirty so it was tough for me to
you realize that's the nature of the business. And then
from there just a you'll pump those guys up if
you never know missing him again, you see, you know,
hasty back out here and guys like that, you never know.

(01:12:06):
The relationship's never over. And for those guys, just another
step in the journey and and try to stay in
touch with.

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
Them and now great moments in.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
History.

Speaker 18 (01:12:18):
By the way, speaking of Edelman, I'm a little worried
about him. Why he is too jacked Yeah, I mean
it's like he's become a body build.

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
He's gonna get hurt.

Speaker 4 (01:12:30):
He's gonna get hurt.

Speaker 11 (01:12:31):
It's all edited.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
I think it's like, now that Tom's gone, I'm not
doing that TV twelve stretching anymore and lean muscle and
the like.

Speaker 3 (01:12:40):
He's yeah, because that really kept it, really kept him
healthy in the past. He's he's really been durable.

Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
Veins are popping out, like he is jacked up.

Speaker 11 (01:12:50):
He is just.

Speaker 1 (01:12:50):
Thirsty on Instagram.

Speaker 4 (01:12:52):
It's like, come on, take it easy, jewels stuff.

Speaker 17 (01:12:55):
I'm a little worried about his obsession with the short
shorts cut off.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
Listen, if I look like him, I be nude.

Speaker 1 (01:13:00):
That's another great moment, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:13:06):
Back here, and Patriots make you Gary Myers for doing that.
It's a good read, I would suggested, easy.

Speaker 3 (01:13:14):
It'll take you Patriots fans take it down memory lane too.

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
Yep, it's a good read. And like I said, I
won't give away his conclusion, but you can probably guess
what it was. But but it's good stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:13:26):
If you're listening to his interview, you wouldn't guess what
it want.

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
No, Yeah, Nate writes in from Connecticut. He's not calling in.
He says, I'm emailing because the phone lines have been
down for me for some reason. I was really committed
to getting a calling to tell you guys, I'm going
back to school tomorrow and will be unable to call
in anymore unless I am sick on Tuesday or Thursday.

Speaker 3 (01:13:47):
I just assumed his mother has him on punishment. Yeah,
he's not allowed to use his phone.

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
My hopefully not. Final question for you guys is what
do you guys think of the Jacoby Myers trade request.
The big pattern we've noticed is when you request a trade,
you get paid. Is Jacoby looking to get paid or
does he really not want to be in the situation.
He's been in Vegas for the last few years. I'd
love to have him back in New England. He was
very productive and him paired with May is a match

(01:14:13):
made in heaven. I think it's all about money.

Speaker 3 (01:14:16):
Well, he is looking to get paid. Yeah, yep, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
I don't think the conditions are like intolerable. I think
he's just They've tried to talk and I guess it
just hasn't gone anywhere. And he wants his money.

Speaker 8 (01:14:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:14:29):
I think it's what's his stats, like he had a
thousand yards? I mean, he just he like.

Speaker 7 (01:14:36):
Twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two.

Speaker 9 (01:14:37):
I mean every quarterback that he's played with, he's been
productive and you can't knock that.

Speaker 7 (01:14:43):
It's production is all the.

Speaker 3 (01:14:45):
Matters, player find space, does all those things. I'm Evan
and I talked about it a little bit off air.
I would take him back. I think he's a good
player and I was very high on Jacoby Myers never
wanted him to leave in the first place.

Speaker 4 (01:14:59):
I'm sure right on.

Speaker 3 (01:15:00):
I just feel I just feel like they have enough
of those kinds of receivers, you know, and Diggs is
obviously a higher end, you know, type of you know
kind of zone beater find space, you know, versatile to
beat Man and zone.

Speaker 7 (01:15:16):
He doesn't change the equation for the Patriot.

Speaker 3 (01:15:18):
He's got Douglas in the slot. You got everybody's favorite Chisholm, right,
I mean another guy who finds space and you know,
you know, creates separation, you know underneath. I just don't
know how many of those guys you need.

Speaker 4 (01:15:33):
Yeah, if your response to this is that just take
the talent and figure it out later, and I'd totally
a fair take to have on it. But when you
start of get into the minutia of it, Jacoby Myers
is a Z receiver. Stefan Diggs is a C receiver.
So if you trade for Jacoby Myers, one of those

(01:15:55):
guys is playing out a position, and I don't know
if they are, especially Digs at this point of his career.
I don't know if he's going to be productive playing
the X, like, I don't know if that's really going
to be a good.

Speaker 3 (01:16:08):
Role for him. It's either Zo the slot, right, He's
not an outside.

Speaker 4 (01:16:11):
Right, So if you put him at the X, how
is Stefon Diggs really going to feel about that? Because
now the targets are going to be funneled someplace else,
and we'd all know that that role is the role
that gets the high volume in this offense. Essentially, what
I'm saying, they signed Digs to be Jacobe Myers right
like that day. Once they have redundancy, they're overlapping receivers.

(01:16:34):
So you could sit here and say, just take the
good receiver and we'll figure out all these problems later.
But I think it's more complicated than that with this
particular receiver in this particular offense.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
So Richard and Attleborough along the Meyers trade rumor type
of discussion, he says, I always felt that letting Jacoby
go was a favorite Bill gave to Josh to help
him in Las Vegas. I don't think it wasn't. No.
He also wants to know has the Patriots considered creating
an official discord Do you guys know what we're talking

(01:17:08):
about the forums?

Speaker 4 (01:17:09):
Uh, we have not considered that, but maybe an offline conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:17:14):
I'm not surprised that you like discord.

Speaker 4 (01:17:18):
Discord's fun. It's uh, it's basically like it's kind of
like a newer Reddit, where like you have like live conversations.
So instead of posting to it and then people reacting.
You actually host like a Q and A for like
an hour on the Patriot Discord, so I would be

(01:17:38):
in there, Deuce could be in there, and the fans
could come in and ask questions in text form and
then we would like have an ongoing.

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
Reddit has that too? What are they call it?

Speaker 7 (01:17:49):
On AM?

Speaker 4 (01:17:51):
That's asked me anything? That's different?

Speaker 12 (01:17:52):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:17:52):
But those are live?

Speaker 4 (01:17:54):
Yeah, yeah, but like that's that's the idea of it.
And they're pretty pop like and you have sort of
like you know, it's kind of like it's kind of
like kirsh words. Honestly, it's kind of like that where
it's like the same people kind of gather, you know,
every week and and that sort of thing. So, uh,
it could be something, but I don't know if we

(01:18:16):
would like.

Speaker 9 (01:18:17):
Just call into the show here while we're sitting here
about you know, four to six hours a week where it.

Speaker 4 (01:18:21):
Is for you know, people that that want a text
call in and right a lot of people now.

Speaker 7 (01:18:30):
Sure at platforms.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
Cody in Indiana says today is a day of celebration.
We finally got a good call from Christian in La
We got to hear him play the bongos underwater and
then Fred promptly hung up.

Speaker 7 (01:18:41):
On Wow, there you go, stupid Uber driver. He's got
a call back and blame the Uber driver.

Speaker 2 (01:18:46):
It was his fall, But like, is that important actually
have to call?

Speaker 3 (01:18:49):
Like you're in an uber that's actually a Limo drives buddy,
but he's trying to die.

Speaker 2 (01:18:55):
Really disappointed. You're in an Uber and not a well,
it might have been an Uber X, it could be Excel.

Speaker 4 (01:19:02):
He just gets the big one anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
Yeah, Colby has a quick over and undergame over under,
Drake may touchdown, passes twenty over, games started by digs
twelve over over.

Speaker 4 (01:19:16):
If these any of these are under.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
That wins for the Patriots.

Speaker 7 (01:19:19):
Eight over, I'm gonna nine.

Speaker 3 (01:19:22):
I just I stick my flagging nine under, staying just
because no, because I think it's the number. But it's over.
But I said, push, okay, push push, Let's see a
better chance seven than nine okay?

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
Eight five five Pats five hundred is the hotline. Boston
Cream's on it. What's up, Boston Cream?

Speaker 11 (01:19:44):
Hey guys, I got a little bit of a gripe
with Evan Good. Evans very smart, obviously know what's a lot,
Thank you, very good. Within his own lane, thank you.
That being said, Evan is a little bit of a
no at all. I'll give two examples here. There was
something like discussion about pop culture, and Evan asked Paul

(01:20:09):
how often he hangs around eighteen nineteen year old, which
I thought was quite funny, as I believe Paul is
the father of one, if not two of them.

Speaker 12 (01:20:20):
That we know of.

Speaker 4 (01:20:21):
It doesn't count.

Speaker 3 (01:20:22):
Yeah, but do you think that around? I remember saying
that I don't either.

Speaker 4 (01:20:27):
Yeah, it sounds like you though.

Speaker 11 (01:20:28):
The second one was the conversation I think it was
last week about manual transmission vehicles. Evan was saying that
they still make manual transmission vehicles, which is true, and
he said they're usually paddleshift.

Speaker 4 (01:20:42):
No, I said, now we've adapted to more paddle shifters
on sports cars especially.

Speaker 8 (01:20:49):
Yeah. True.

Speaker 11 (01:20:49):
But the question was do they still have a clutch?
He said, yeah, but they have paddle shift. There's taddle
shifting cars. You don't use a clutch and a paddleship.

Speaker 10 (01:20:57):
That change here?

Speaker 3 (01:20:59):
Okay, wow, got me bo.

Speaker 10 (01:21:04):
I do have a question.

Speaker 11 (01:21:05):
Oh, yes, the Patriots start five and oh or oh
and five?

Speaker 2 (01:21:12):
What's more likely?

Speaker 3 (01:21:13):
Better chance? And five?

Speaker 2 (01:21:16):
I have to say that too.

Speaker 1 (01:21:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:21:19):
Thanks, that's a real old school Andy Hart. Better chance
what I like?

Speaker 7 (01:21:25):
Three and just paint the corner.

Speaker 3 (01:21:27):
That's obviously. I don't think it's very I don't think
it's very like. I don't think it's very likely you're
going on and five.

Speaker 2 (01:21:35):
But I.

Speaker 3 (01:21:38):
Don't know.

Speaker 7 (01:21:41):
What's more likely.

Speaker 3 (01:21:42):
They criticism, well, from certain was me. I'd be in
the corner, in the fetal position at all times.

Speaker 4 (01:21:48):
That's not true. I take criticism. Well, listen to the
open every show from certain people. You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:21:54):
Yeah, certain people? Hey, you mean you people?

Speaker 7 (01:21:57):
People?

Speaker 2 (01:21:59):
Try Darius and Louisville has some major gripe. There's a
lot of capital letters used in this email. Oh yeah,
he says a couple of things. I have to say. First,
can we stop comparing Vrabel and his staff to Mayo
and his staff. We all know how inexperienced Mayo and
his coaches worse, so it's not even a fair comparison.

(01:22:22):
How about we compare what Rabel is doing to what
Bill was doing for twenty years. That's a better comparison.
Don't get me wrong, I believe in Vrabes, but to
annoy him, the next best things and sliced bread just
because he's doing better than Mayo is kind of ridiculous
in my opinion. Second thing that grinds my gears is
callers and emails that ask the same annoying question every time,

(01:22:42):
especially if you guys just talked about it. Just pay
attention to the show and your questions will be answered. Wow,
there you go. Or if he's talking about anyone in particular.

Speaker 3 (01:22:53):
Some of the emails come in before we've actually talked
about it. In defending of the email a little bit different,
so you get like a question that maybe we we
hadn't talked about when he sent the email in, And yeah,
sometimes it can cross streams.

Speaker 9 (01:23:08):
I think it's a fair comparison that I was thinking
a little bit about, you know, Bill saying when they
won in two thousand and one, they didn't really feel
like they had their team in place yet.

Speaker 7 (01:23:15):
And you know, Paul, you mentioned some of the.

Speaker 9 (01:23:17):
Veterans that he brought in that second year his guys,
and I think you've seen a little of that with
Rabel bringing in Robert Splaine. You know, the guys that
they know just feel like, well, Campbell was one of
his guys, even though we didn't play for him. But
I think you see some of the similar things, they're
still gonna have to you know, I use the example
of a Sante Samuel. Now you know, year three four,
maybe you have a third or fourth round cornerback waiting

(01:23:37):
in the wings that you know, you're.

Speaker 3 (01:23:39):
Just calling Super Bowl. I'm not saying drafted. Will Care
been drafted, Matt. I'm not saying I've left. I'm just
I'm not saying. I'm just saying, you know, Anthony Pleasant
and Stefan Diegsteon Branch, Roman, Pfeiffer, Brobby Harnts, Robert Slaine.

Speaker 2 (01:23:55):
Do the math.

Speaker 7 (01:23:55):
I mean, come on, win.

Speaker 2 (01:23:58):
Trevor writes in we spent so much time in the
offseason talking about wide receiver and while we do still
need a true elite guy in the future, when looking
at our roster, it might be our deepest position. Paul
will laugh, but Chisholm is one of the few guys
who went out I hearn a spot the future. Paul, Well,
I'll read that again since I was interrupted.

Speaker 1 (01:24:18):
Paul will laugh.

Speaker 2 (01:24:19):
But Chisholm is one of the few guys who went
out and earned a spot. And then Booty Hollins Douglas Diggs.
Williams is probably the only room I don't feel terrible
about our fifth guy seeing the field. Funny how that
worked out so.

Speaker 3 (01:24:33):
Real as quick though Kyle Williams is the fifth guy.

Speaker 7 (01:24:35):
Kyle was back at practice.

Speaker 4 (01:24:38):
Would I would sort of agree.

Speaker 3 (01:24:40):
I think, like, I just don't feel great about the
first three.

Speaker 4 (01:24:44):
The bar the bar was on the floor, like, let's
not get it twisted. But at the same time, I
kind of like the mix that they have, Like I
at least want to see what it looks like. I
but like, I kind of like the mix that they
have now going.

Speaker 3 (01:24:58):
To be like Drake made to me, it's a going
to be about digs.

Speaker 4 (01:25:01):
If you can go out there and like, you know,
if Terry McLaurin actually got traded, like obviously you would
want that type of player to add to this room.
But we were talking about Jacobe Myers a little while ago.
I kind of want to see what it looks like
with these four or five guys, because I do think
they compliment each other pretty well, and they have different
body types that can kind of you know, mix and

(01:25:23):
match a little bit. So again, I know the bar
wasn't very high, but this is one of the better
rooms that they've had in a while.

Speaker 2 (01:25:30):
So we talked a little bit about how much or
a little you can glean from preseason. But are there
any indications that Josh McDaniels is going to get be
able to scheme guys open, like.

Speaker 3 (01:25:44):
Man, I think so any better?

Speaker 2 (01:25:46):
Yeah, but like we do we get that indication preseason
because I saw some guys like like whether or not
Drake sees them or not is a different quest. Minnesota,
we saw guys get open.

Speaker 4 (01:25:57):
Yeah, taking the joint practices more, you can see that
kind of stuff because they're they're not they're not going
to show very much on the preseason tape because they
don't want to put it on film what they're what
they're doing. But in the in the joint practices, especially
against the Vikings, I think they did scheme some stuff open.
Certainly like the one to Trayvon Henderson at the end
of the day, one that everybody's talked about for two weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:26:17):
I saw that.

Speaker 4 (01:26:18):
Yeah, that one, That one was definitely maybe you know,
sort of like a pick wheel like rub concept that
they kind of schemed him open on. So maybe a
little bit, but I I still think that That's always
been a strength of Josh's, Like I've never really had
any concern and that he would be able to dress
it up and try to get guys open. Yeah, i'd

(01:26:39):
say too.

Speaker 9 (01:26:40):
Just I think Evan said it a lot, but I
just to underline it, I think Diggs has shown like, yeah,
when I want to, I'll be able to. But I'm
not going to like go out here and leave everything
I've got on the field in a joint practice or
in a day in shells out here. So that's what
I'm excited to see is what is Stefan Diggs fully
integrated into this offense with a game.

Speaker 3 (01:26:59):
You know, a reasonable fact similar of what Digs has been.
Then I would agree with everybody's optimism the wide receivers.
If not, then you have the same guys that you've had.

Speaker 4 (01:27:08):
I don't know if opt like it's not. I understand
that where they're at still at the talent level in
the room, but I do feel more optimistic about this
room compared but only.

Speaker 3 (01:27:17):
Because of dis Yeah, that's it, I mean, I I
mean we might be playing to some An Daniels too.

Speaker 4 (01:27:23):
I think Diggs, I think Matt Collins, I thought what.

Speaker 2 (01:27:28):
Coach can't do it, well, he can can't do it
for you, he can help.

Speaker 3 (01:27:32):
I mean, I know that everybody thinks that it's all
about the coaches, but it's about town.

Speaker 7 (01:27:36):
Garry Myers didn't think that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:39):
Let's see who's this Andrew in New Jersey wants to
earn a T shirt, so let's see how he does.
He says he's got a couple of trivia questions and
if they're good, if people think they're good, maybe uh
Matt will get a little effort. Last season, there was
one game where Joey Slide missed his only field goal attempt.
What team was that against? Not an extra point shoot?

Speaker 7 (01:28:04):
That's been lost in the sense of time, Tennessee.

Speaker 3 (01:28:08):
No, no, no, I don't say I have no idea
the Jets, But like he was just one. He missed
more than one field goal, right.

Speaker 2 (01:28:17):
I guess maybe he means that in the game he
only had one it was and he missed it again.
You gotta gotta word our questions better.

Speaker 3 (01:28:26):
Who do we play? Last year?

Speaker 2 (01:28:28):
The answer was Miami Dolphins in Week twelve? You remember that, No,
I don't wow harder question. We didn't get that.

Speaker 3 (01:28:38):
One, right, So it was twelve years Ago, I might
have been able to get it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:41):
Joey Slide missed seven field goals, not extra points. What
teams were they against, Well, we didn't get one of them.
Missed uh Bara Tennessee Seattle in week two, we missed one,
Miami Week five, he missed one Tennessee Week nine, Miami
week twelve.

Speaker 3 (01:28:58):
To have committed to memory individual missiter, Well, he just
wants a T shirt.

Speaker 2 (01:29:03):
No T shirt for you, get Andrew in New Jersey
a T shirt.

Speaker 4 (01:29:08):
Joey Slide, the kicker who's not on the team anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:29:12):
Booming, he kicked another sixty three yarder. I guess in
the preseason.

Speaker 4 (01:29:19):
That's like everybody's making sixty three yarders now. It's the
thing that is for the guy who's the guy on
the Cowboys. I can't Brandon Aubrey literally kicking from the
other side of the fifty.

Speaker 3 (01:29:31):
Well, the guy from Jackson seventy yard that's well into
the other side.

Speaker 4 (01:29:35):
It's it's crazy like all these kickers these days there
are kicking from from sixty plus now.

Speaker 2 (01:29:45):
Adam in down from California. Uh, Deny michel He says,
I think it's funny. On the twenty twenty fourth draft.
You guys played a game of would you rather maybe
the guy in the rest the class amiss or May
bust and hit on the rest of the class. We
all can agree we are hoping May's the guy. Yeah,

(01:30:07):
that is true.

Speaker 3 (01:30:08):
I do remember playing that.

Speaker 4 (01:30:10):
Yeah, it is crazy that, out of everything that went
wrong last year, if May ends up being what we
all think he's going to be, they somehow got that right,
which is probably the hardest part to get right. And
they not only from an evaluation standpoint, because that part
was probably pretty easy, but the development standpoint, I think

(01:30:30):
they did a nice job with Drake May.

Speaker 3 (01:30:32):
That's why I sort of I pushed back a little
bit on how bad the coaching was because I do
think that Alex van Pelt did a good job with
Drake May, and I saw some examples. Now, did you
do a good job with, you know, overcoming the offensive line. No,
they didn't. They insisted on just doing it the same
way all the time and never doing anything to help
those tackles. But I do think they schemed guys open

(01:30:55):
for Drake May and gave him a lot of easy throws,
and I think they they brought up along pretty well.
And I think he did develop a little Van Russiam.

Speaker 4 (01:31:03):
They brought him, they brought him along well. His mechanics
and his footwork improved under Alex van Pelt. Now Vampel
is a great quarterback coach. Maybe I think that's what
we really are getting out of that.

Speaker 8 (01:31:13):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:31:14):
I think you did a good job, you know him individual.
I think, do you have any you have breaking news?
Just Taylor Swift and well you were looking at the phone.
I thought maybe you had a little suffer.

Speaker 7 (01:31:22):
Good for them, two happy kids. Good luck.

Speaker 3 (01:31:25):
I don't know how they'll be able to make ends me.
Those two weddings are expensive, bro, but the chiefs Dyna.

Speaker 2 (01:31:32):
I'm glad to know that it was for real. Like
I thought, maybe, oh this is all, But.

Speaker 3 (01:31:37):
You didn't really buy into that whole the NFL created.

Speaker 2 (01:31:40):
Not the NFL, but like her, you know her marketing.

Speaker 3 (01:31:44):
I mean the first year when they were together, people
thought for sure it was like an NFL conspiracy.

Speaker 2 (01:31:49):
The NFL doesn't tell Taylor Swift what to do, right.

Speaker 9 (01:31:52):
Well, I'm just worried now that she's in love, if
she doesn't have the same kind of turmoil in.

Speaker 7 (01:31:56):
Her life to write the great poetry that, she writes,
you know, and just.

Speaker 9 (01:31:59):
Looking for what they when she starts having babies, well
I'm saying, like, I mean, I'm not gonna wish a
divorce upon them, but divorce be some good information, good
good inspiration for Taylor.

Speaker 4 (01:32:09):
If that were to happen, Taylor Army is gonna come
after me because Taylor Swift takes.

Speaker 3 (01:32:16):
Do they all like like old school chauvinistic of you, like,
when she starts having babies, She's gonna have babies.

Speaker 2 (01:32:22):
She's gonna have babies.

Speaker 3 (01:32:24):
But if she doesn't want to.

Speaker 2 (01:32:25):
She doesn't want to, she won't have them. But I
think she will.

Speaker 7 (01:32:27):
I mean, Jason Kes got like four daughters, so they
better get going. They want to balance that off a little.

Speaker 2 (01:32:33):
Bit because Mama Kelsey will want cousins.

Speaker 7 (01:32:37):
She has grant she got all those daughters, granddaughters. She
needs some sons. Quantie Swift, Frank.

Speaker 2 (01:32:42):
Franklin, and Baltimore writes in who among these two receivers
do you think will benefit more from McDaniel's scheme and
the influx of better talent digs Williams Hollins provided better
spacing to Marrio, Douglas, Okashawan Boody As a follow up,
which of these do you think hasn't made been made
redundant with the Patriots offseason editions? So to marry we're

(01:33:03):
talking about Pop and Booty here, Which which benefits the
most from McDaniels and digs and better receivers.

Speaker 3 (01:33:10):
Around Pop Pop?

Speaker 4 (01:33:11):
Not even close?

Speaker 2 (01:33:12):
Not close.

Speaker 7 (01:33:13):
Yeah, boy, Booty's going to be relegated to not that much.

Speaker 2 (01:33:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:33:17):
I think he's going to play a role, yeah, the
sacrificial X because he going to lose that role to Hollins.

Speaker 2 (01:33:22):
He might. I think.

Speaker 9 (01:33:23):
I think that's a to me that's fluid between those
two and in a perfect world, that's Kyle Williams emerges
into that role full time and then they could maybe.

Speaker 7 (01:33:31):
I mean, I don't know, V what do you think
do you think that that role is just always going
to be? This is kind of what it is? Or
like when Randy Moss came in.

Speaker 9 (01:33:38):
Twenty two thousand and seven, we have a special player
now this extreme example, but.

Speaker 7 (01:33:42):
I think we have a special player here. Let's expand
it a little bit.

Speaker 4 (01:33:45):
That kind of extreme example, like maybe the bare minimum
is like Brandon Cooks in twenty seventeen, and I think
that was also out of necessity because Edelman got hurt.
So like they kind of had to feature Brandon Cooks
even more than maybe the plan. But you have to
have and Brandon Cooks was a really good player, so
you have to have at least that level of X

(01:34:07):
receiver Cooks in order for Cleming that to change. I
think like in Vegas he had DeVante Adams, so obviously
they they changed some things to to feature Devanta Adams.
I don't think you're changing things for Matt Collins.

Speaker 9 (01:34:20):
And let's say Mac Collins almost kind of the perfect
guy for that if you're not going to make it
like I just want to put somebody in there who's
going to run.

Speaker 4 (01:34:26):
Really the perfect guy for it because but he blocks well,
he does like all he's.

Speaker 3 (01:34:33):
The perfect guy because he can play any of the spots.

Speaker 4 (01:34:35):
Yeah, and he does.

Speaker 3 (01:34:35):
That's what Josh mc loves does all that anywhere.

Speaker 4 (01:34:39):
He does all the dirty work. He's going to catch
the ball in traffic, he's gonna win the ball down
the field, he's going to block, he's not going to
bitch about his targets like he's just.

Speaker 3 (01:34:48):
I agree with all that.

Speaker 7 (01:34:49):
He was all over the defense to practices. Ago was
all over them. I've never seen anything quite like it.

Speaker 9 (01:34:55):
Just yelling at them, hyping them up, you know, yelling, yelling, Gonzales.

Speaker 7 (01:35:00):
All you do is watch, you know, talking trash on
the highlights. Is it was pretty funny.

Speaker 2 (01:35:05):
Cisco and San Diego rights and he has an over
under game over under opening touchdown drives seven and a
hay oh god.

Speaker 4 (01:35:13):
That's a high number.

Speaker 3 (01:35:14):
Yeah under, I.

Speaker 2 (01:35:15):
Wonder, but game winning drives five and ahead.

Speaker 4 (01:35:19):
That's a really high number.

Speaker 12 (01:35:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:35:22):
Throw Trevion Henderson touchdowns six and a hay over under
over Kyle Williams touchdowns five and a hay under under
games where defensive holds teams under twenty one points six
and a hay oh ah.

Speaker 4 (01:35:39):
This schedule and a half points.

Speaker 7 (01:35:41):
I'll be positive on this one. I say, yes, they
got some bad offenses games.

Speaker 3 (01:35:45):
That's that's the best number. I'm gonna say over because
I felt like I said under for everything.

Speaker 2 (01:35:51):
Yeah, and longtime listener, first time reaching out. Shout out
Sammy Morris, who was a family friend.

Speaker 3 (01:35:57):
Nice Okay, okay, same nice man.

Speaker 2 (01:36:00):
More shout out Sammy Morris, Sam Morris, so Brian and
Swansea wants to steal Andrew Callahan's two stats in a
lie game? You want to play that.

Speaker 3 (01:36:12):
I do like Andrew Callahan's two stats and all.

Speaker 2 (01:36:14):
So he wants to change it to two facts of stats,
two facts and a lie. So there's three statements. Two
of them are facts. One.

Speaker 8 (01:36:26):
What do you got?

Speaker 4 (01:36:27):
Yakob Johnson released by the Houston Texans.

Speaker 19 (01:36:31):
Oh, here we go, full back, Josh, Let's go, let's go, Sorry,
let's go.

Speaker 2 (01:36:46):
Okay. I'm a little surprised he got released, though I
think he was.

Speaker 4 (01:36:51):
I am excited about that. Bring him back, bring him home.

Speaker 2 (01:36:55):
All right, bring him to facts and a lie. Tom
Brady and Peyton Manning are the only two quarterbacks to
win thirteen or more games in a season for two
different teams. That statement one. Statement two. The New York
Jets have never made the playoffs three years in a row,
and over the last twelve years, the Kansas City Chiefs

(01:37:17):
have more regular season wins than the Jets and Giants combined.

Speaker 3 (01:37:24):
We have to pick out the lie.

Speaker 2 (01:37:25):
Pick out the lie.

Speaker 3 (01:37:26):
I'm going to go with as the lie.

Speaker 7 (01:37:29):
I might go a to the lie.

Speaker 14 (01:37:30):
Two.

Speaker 7 (01:37:30):
That's seems like but thirteen's a lot, right, Like?

Speaker 3 (01:37:34):
Did Brady win thirteen with Tampa.

Speaker 4 (01:37:37):
No, I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (01:37:40):
Number one is the lie. Yeah, Jared Goff is the
only quarterback to accomplish his feet He went thirteen with
the Rams in eighteen and fifteen with the Lions last year,
and the other two are true. Okay, he has two more.

Speaker 3 (01:37:54):
Oh, Brady did win thirteen, so I was right, but
not for the right reasons. Right for the wrong reason.
Oh yeah, is he counting like playoff games because that
doesn't count.

Speaker 4 (01:38:05):
He might have won thirteen, Tom Brady.

Speaker 8 (01:38:06):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:38:07):
I don't know it's got anyway. Game two, there was
a two hundred and seventy two game gap between completed
passes by a Patriot quarterback. Okay, that's weird.

Speaker 3 (01:38:21):
Two hundred and seventy two game gap between.

Speaker 2 (01:38:23):
What completed passes by a Patriot quarterback. What does that
even mean?

Speaker 3 (01:38:27):
I don't know what that means anyone.

Speaker 11 (01:38:30):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:38:30):
That's between Brady and someone else.

Speaker 2 (01:38:35):
Maybe okay, again not worded.

Speaker 3 (01:38:38):
Well, I don't understand.

Speaker 2 (01:38:39):
John Hannah is the only guard to ever receive a
vote for AP Offensive Player of the Year.

Speaker 3 (01:38:45):
I'm gonna say that these are all just fat Oh
this is another round game.

Speaker 2 (01:38:49):
Yeah, now another round of game.

Speaker 3 (01:38:50):
I can't really participate in this one because I don't
understand the first.

Speaker 2 (01:38:53):
And John Stalworth holds the NFL record with eight consecutive
playoff games with a touchdown reception. A Patriot player with
only twelve career regular season touchdown receptions is second all
time on this list with seventh straight playoff games with
a touchdown reception. I don't know. Number two was the lie?

Speaker 3 (01:39:12):
Number two was the lie? Does he have any explanations there?

Speaker 2 (01:39:14):
Yeah, John Hannah did receive a vote for AP Offensive
Player that I knew that number one is true, he says.
Doug Flutie completed a pass to John Stevens in the
fourth quarter of a loss the Atlanta Falcons on October fifteenth,
eighty nine. His next pass completion as a member of
the Patriots was Detroy Brown in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 3 (01:39:33):
Now I understand it, right, Okay, Now I understand.

Speaker 2 (01:39:35):
It could have been worded better.

Speaker 3 (01:39:37):
Yeah, yeah, that's why I wanted you to be.

Speaker 2 (01:39:39):
The last one. Over the last fourteen years, every team
in the AFC South has a losing.

Speaker 3 (01:39:45):
Record over the last fourteen.

Speaker 2 (01:39:48):
Years, has had he should have said, has had?

Speaker 3 (01:39:53):
I think like one year one year there no, I
think he means over the last fourteen years, they all
have a losing record.

Speaker 4 (01:39:59):
Sure don't have a losing record over the last it
would be the lie.

Speaker 2 (01:40:02):
Oh, I see what he means cumulatively. Okay, okay, I
get it now. Over the last fourteen years, every team
in the AFC South has had a losing record over
those fourteen years. The second statement, Andy Reid has a
higher career regular season winning percentage than Bill Belichick regular

(01:40:23):
season I.

Speaker 3 (01:40:23):
Believe that's true.

Speaker 2 (01:40:25):
And finally, Mike Rabel is the only NFL head coach
who has also caught a touchdown pass in the NFL. Oh,
look active, which one is the lie?

Speaker 1 (01:40:37):
It's tough.

Speaker 7 (01:40:40):
Hmm.

Speaker 3 (01:40:42):
I'm gonna stick with the first. I'm gonna say A
is the lie.

Speaker 4 (01:40:45):
Colts.

Speaker 3 (01:40:46):
I think the Colts probably have a winning number.

Speaker 2 (01:40:49):
Three is the lie. Mike Ditka also caught a touchdown
pass from Roger starback in Super Bowl six.

Speaker 3 (01:40:57):
Head coach.

Speaker 4 (01:40:58):
He was a head coach, but did not say active.

Speaker 3 (01:41:02):
I thought you said active.

Speaker 7 (01:41:04):
Did not say I was thinking active.

Speaker 3 (01:41:07):
Honestly, I thought you guys said active.

Speaker 7 (01:41:09):
Dan Campbell never caught a touchdown.

Speaker 4 (01:41:12):
That's a good one. Yeah, I guess not. I feel
like he had to have right, like you played tight ends?

Speaker 3 (01:41:17):
Did he really even play?

Speaker 4 (01:41:21):
I mean, and he was definitely a blocking tight end,
Like I look at the guy, but like.

Speaker 7 (01:41:26):
Slip him out and hit him in the flat.

Speaker 3 (01:41:29):
John and Ireland, those are good yeah, and those are hard.

Speaker 2 (01:41:31):
Ye, John and Ireland. Can we expect to see tight
ends being used for support for Will Campbell in the
early season games?

Speaker 3 (01:41:38):
I think you expect to see that frequently.

Speaker 4 (01:41:41):
I think for both tackles, yeah, chips, things like that.
I think that that's we've seen that all summer long. Honestly,
that they've.

Speaker 2 (01:41:49):
Been I have to say that when the rumors of
Hendrickson possibly go into the Raiders, that scared the hell
out of me. I mean, what do you do?

Speaker 12 (01:42:00):
You know?

Speaker 4 (01:42:00):
Chip them double chip, send waves.

Speaker 7 (01:42:04):
Dan Kimmell had like eleven touchdowns in his career.

Speaker 3 (01:42:07):
Really that has so that's wrong?

Speaker 7 (01:42:09):
Yeah. Yeah. Dan Kimmel's also throw it was wrong anyway,
just three days older than me.

Speaker 3 (01:42:15):
Oh yeah, because it was Dicka Like never mind.

Speaker 2 (01:42:20):
Sweet kid rights. It haven't heard from him in a
long time now. Melvin and Tennessee. I spent the summer
studying the English language, so that I can sound smarter.
So far, I've learned three new words. I don't know
what those words are though yet. Anyway, how do you
feel about the backup quarterback position for a team that
might be on the verge of making the playoffs? I

(01:42:41):
hope they can pull out a game or two of
maya sideline, that brief period could swing things.

Speaker 3 (01:42:48):
I have a question that's kind of related to that,
but not necessarily for the same reasons. Do you think
having a quality backup quarterback is more important if you
to be a good team, then it would be if
you're just trying to rebuild.

Speaker 2 (01:43:04):
No, I would say that again, is it more than.

Speaker 3 (01:43:08):
Melvine was made a point to say for a team
that is on the verge of making the playoffs? Is
that Does that make it more pressing that you don't
feel great about the backup quarterback or you're not you
don't want your starting quarterback to get hurt. No, but
if you kind of think you're dead.

Speaker 2 (01:43:23):
If he's but but if he said, on the verge
of making the playoffs, so one or two games could
be the difference. So if May turns his ankle in
the first quarter, do you have a guy who can
come in and hope and win that game for it.

Speaker 3 (01:43:38):
My guess is if you're if you're just that kind
of a team where you're a middling team but May
is going to put you over the top and maybe
get you into the playoffs, then you're not going to
have a backup that's going to be able to do that.
Whereas if you're right, Whereas if you're a great team,
right and you're stacked and I lose my quarterback, all
hope is not lost. So you said, the really good

(01:43:58):
team and if I can get a guy that can
go in there and keep the you know, train on
the rings.

Speaker 2 (01:44:03):
So you say the backup wouldn't. It's not about the
backup being good enough. It's the people around him with
a backup more good enough.

Speaker 3 (01:44:10):
The better your team is, I think that that would
be more important.

Speaker 2 (01:44:13):
It's a good point, Paul, Yeah, yeah, I get I
get that reason.

Speaker 3 (01:44:17):
I would feel like if you if you think the
Patriots are a borderline playoff team, it'd be hard to
imagine that you're going to continue to be a playoff
team if Drake Made doesn't play three games. Yeah, right,
unless Drake May is just not not as good as
we all think.

Speaker 7 (01:44:32):
Like, I don't even want to think that.

Speaker 3 (01:44:37):
The bottom line the bottom line for sweet Kid, and
I think the whole panel here probably agrees they might
they might be in the market for another quarterback.

Speaker 4 (01:44:48):
Yeah, well, they're definitely gonna have three. I mean, they
probably signed one to the practice squad at the very least,
like you can just fore.

Speaker 3 (01:44:55):
I think they're different things though, Like do you sign
the guy for the practice squad to replaced Woldry, Yeah,
you think you can get better, better developmental right? Or
do you go to fred Route and get this?

Speaker 4 (01:45:07):
But I wouldn't be surprised like if like Tommy DeVito
or Bailey's Appy's on a practice squad for a while. Yeah, Like,
I don't think it's a guarantee that those guys are
going to find fifty three in a roster spot.

Speaker 9 (01:45:18):
He's interesting that wolders they got rid of him last
week and is there nothing there?

Speaker 7 (01:45:22):
Like what didn't he do?

Speaker 9 (01:45:24):
Did they just say, well, it's never going to happen
with him, Like what's the line for making the roster
as like a practice squad guy with a quarterback?

Speaker 2 (01:45:31):
I just think that he wasn't worth whether it's practice
squad or else.

Speaker 9 (01:45:36):
Having a spot for an interesting evaluation, especially in the
league where luckily now you're in a place where you
feel like you have the quarterback for the moment. But
I would always be looking for some kind of developmental talent,
you know, some kind of guy just to continue.

Speaker 3 (01:45:50):
Was just talking about this on the Nowhere All Hill
yesterday and I just looked at it. I mean, I
saw the kid make some throws, and I don't think
he's completely without the ability to pass. But we watched
I think it was twenty practices altogether. He almost never
got any reps y. Yeah, so that told you that
they didn't really think, like, I don't know how that

(01:46:12):
and some people, I'm not saying you guys fell into
this character. I don't think you did. But some people
were like, Wow, I'm really surprised they let him go
so quickly. I'm like, they kind of told you what
they thought about him all summer when he was watching.

Speaker 4 (01:46:23):
Especially those like the joint practices he got zero never
All right, we got a minute left.

Speaker 2 (01:46:28):
Let's quickly get to some of our callers who have
been holding on. Justina, I believe in North Carolina. What's up, Hi?

Speaker 12 (01:46:39):
I was just gonna say that you know, I love Evan,
and I know he has a lot of is there
a background anyway? I know he's very knowledgeable, but I
just didn't appreciate I didn't appreciate them saying that he
was a Nooo, I don't know if I took it
wrong what And I'm appreciating it not taking it too hard.

Speaker 2 (01:47:06):
So you got Evan's bad bad Actually, Justina, Evan likes
to be called to know it all because he believes
he is, so people think.

Speaker 4 (01:47:17):
I don't know why.

Speaker 7 (01:47:19):
As an insight, I know your grandma defend you.

Speaker 6 (01:47:21):
There.

Speaker 2 (01:47:22):
Wayne's in Pennsylvania, Hey, Wayne, Wayne, Wayne, Wayne, Wayne's world,
Wayne's worlds gone. Wayne's all right? Sorry, Wayne, all right,
Well that's gonna be it. That's gonna be it for
this edition of Patriots Unfiltered, Catch twenty two.

Speaker 4 (01:47:40):
This week tomorrow, eleven eleven to.

Speaker 2 (01:47:43):
One, eleven to one tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (01:47:45):
Yeah, we got some moving parts. Okay, we gotta find
a time for Catch twenty and then we will be.

Speaker 2 (01:47:50):
Back on Thursday. You're gonna want to watch Thursday show
because you're gonna learn something new. I guarantee it, something
in the way of something that people in this show,
particularly our callers are always very very interested in so
on Thursday the.

Speaker 3 (01:48:08):
Twenty eighth, Yeah, can I clear my calendar make sure
I'm here?

Speaker 2 (01:48:11):
Yeah, so you am definitely going to want to tune
in on Thursday. Until then, thanks for listening today.

Speaker 1 (01:48:19):
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