Patriots Unfiltered 8/5: Latest Observations and Updates from Training Camp, Joint Practice Preview

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Speaker 7 (00:35):
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Speaker 2 (00:37):
I think you package them up for a first But
in this day, like mixing the pass every once in
a while, just to throw it off, you know, to.

Speaker 5 (00:44):
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Speaker 8 (00:46):
There's no receivers all the first.

Speaker 4 (00:52):
Yeah, we were talking.

Speaker 8 (00:53):
I was thinking about that name.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
Yeah, we were all worried.

Speaker 9 (00:55):
If you ask me if it's about a great coach
with a bad quarterback or a bad coach with a
great quarterback, I'll take the latter every single time.

Speaker 5 (01:05):
Yeah, I can see that.

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Speaker 4 (01:06):
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done all these times.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
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you started Claire out, which is like, I'm.

Speaker 4 (01:13):
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Speaker 5 (01:15):
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Speaker 6 (01:47):
Did you?

Speaker 2 (01:48):
I'm all confused because into each other. All I know
is that tomorrow is the joint practice. Correct, That's the
most important news.

Speaker 6 (01:57):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
These guys are just off the practice field, Paul evan
deuce where they had a walkthrough today to get ready
for tomorrow's joint practice. So they kind of worked on
what they're going to actually do tomorrow. In some ways,
I know that they know we're told that we can
only film certain periods. Today was even more abbreviated, just

(02:20):
the first two periods they don't want anything else. So
they are going to be using some of the plays
that they did today probably tomorrow against the Commanders, so
that'll be interesting. And right off the bat, I want
to let everyone know that we will be live from
high above the practice fields starting at nine forty five
tomorrow with Mike Rabel's press conference and then we'll go

(02:42):
right into practice and we'll give you as much a
practice as we're allowed to film. So exciting day. Joint practices.
Are looking forward to it increasingly important in the NFL.

Speaker 4 (02:53):
They are, I mean chance to also see another team.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
I think that's always fun for me to get a
chance to look at young player like Jayden Aiels.

Speaker 4 (03:00):
Really fun to get to see him.

Speaker 5 (03:01):
In personal PA, we always focus on the personnel, and
I think that's important, and Daniels is important. But like
just listening to Peppers a little bit, your guy, Mike,
you know another scheme too, because now you're starting to
watch the offense and defense go against each other. And
we've heard comments Mike Fred and I had Michael Winnu
in here and he was talking about not only like

(03:21):
they know the scheme, but the even your cadence and
everything about it. So I make. It's more of a
gauge to get it. Just a whole different scheme, personnel,
coaching style, all that it can only help the team.

Speaker 12 (03:34):
Ye yeah, just with the you know, there's no film
of these practices that go to the other teams, so
you can put stuff on film in terms of plays
like Fred was talking about the plays that they're going
to run, and you can put stuff like that on
film and not be worried that it's going to be
seen by you know, thirty other teams like you would
in the preseason. If you put that on a preseason tape,
now the whole league can see this is your offense,

(03:55):
this is what you're doing. So they almost put more
in for these joint practices than they do with the
preseason games as a result of that. So we're gonna see,
you know, the full gamut tomorrow. I would expect from
Josh McDaniels and Mike Rabel of what exactly they're going
to do to game plan at Jaden Daniels to scheme
you know, offensively and get guys open.

Speaker 8 (04:16):
So it'd be good to see.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Yesterday the Patriots had practice and it was a normal
IMPADS practice and from what I saw. I think it
was one of the better practices for the offense after
Friday's kind of ify practice. If people don't know, they
had an in stadium practice on Friday for season ticket
members and fox Bough residents and it was a scrimmage
where they actually had a draft and uh so there

(04:41):
was a white and a blue team and because of
the draft, players were mixed up. It wasn't like the
starting offense against the starting defense as we've seen in
practices so far. Guys were mixed and match. So was
it a good, you know, indication of where the offense is.
I don't know, But yesterday they had a pretty darn
good practice.

Speaker 4 (05:02):
I mean, I might push back on a little bit.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
Fred I thought they started I thought they started off
really good, and I thought they kind of sputtered out
at the end, and that, you know, it has been a
little bit of my takeaway from these last two practices
that once we got into situational football, it wasn't quite
as sharp as as it's been. And you know, look,
compliments to Drake, like, I think he's looked good this summer.

Speaker 4 (05:19):
He's looked in control.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
I thought he was excellent in the first seven on
seven period yesterday and take it for what it is.
It's a seven on seven period still, but in the
red zone, it you know, just looks comfortable. But look,
my big thing with Drake this year is he a killer.
So far these last two practices that have been competitive
in those situational periods, he hasn't quite delivered yet. And
I'm not saying I'm pushing a panic button or anything
like that, but I see tomorrow as an opportunity to

(05:42):
really especially those last situational drills, to really turn the
screws and show a level of hey, we can we
can dictate to this defense. We talked about that last
play yesterday where yeah, it might have been a touchdown
to end the game, but it was you know, he's
just kind of flinging it up there, and none of
that stuff. In those last couple periods when they were
right inside the ten yard line look really crisp and smooth.

(06:02):
Certainly not as crispin smooth as it looked in seven
on seven. So I think they were better I thought
early on. I just thought they sputtered out a little
bit at the end, and I want to see him
finish against the Commanders.

Speaker 4 (06:11):
I keep trying to call them the other name, the
Commanders Tomorrow.

Speaker 8 (06:14):
Yeah, I would agree with that.

Speaker 12 (06:15):
I think, you know, when you get down into the
low red zone and you're trying to throw the ball
in from like the five, six, seven eight yard line,
it's really hard. Like it's hard, it's tight space, it's
not it's definitely advantage defense down there. And I don't
know if we're exactly getting into the point where Josh
McDaniels is like scheming ways to get receivers open in
a in a practice setting, we're kind of running base

(06:36):
plays and things like that. So maybe that's a little
bit of like hope that that could turn around, is
like once they get into a regular game and they're
actually you know, disguising and using window dressing and motions
and things like that to create separation and get guys open.
But I would agree in general, I thought once they
got down there, they had some trouble creating separation. And

(06:57):
this isn't Gonzo and Carlton Davis. This is you know,
some of those secondary guys like DJ James and Alex
Austin and do.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
You think Arcus Jones.

Speaker 5 (07:04):
That was the most troubling part to me was who
they were getting covered by, I mean Kobe Minor. You know,
we hadn't really seen a whole lot of was showing
up in some of those I thought early on, like
Mike said, they made some places. Trevion Henderson continues to
impress me as a as a pass catcher, especially he
had a beautiful wheel route for about twenty twenty five

(07:25):
yards out for a touchdown behind Christian Ellis. Beyond that
that segment, once they because they you know, as practice progressed,
they started working from the twenty five and moving yet
and there were times where they just had to move
the ball because they were just incomplete passes. I think
so I think the defense was better than these.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
Once the games are for real, that it's more likely
that this team in the low red zone will be
a run first team.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
Well, I think to Evan's point, they'll be. They'll be
more able to schematically get make things happen. But you know,
at this point where you're just trying to install plays,
there is more on the quarterback and that's where.

Speaker 4 (08:00):
You know, whether he sinks or swims, the windows are
going to be a lot tighter.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
You're probably not going to get as much help schematically
as you would in games, So you're always reserving that
confidence of and even tomorrow, I would say when they
get out there, I bet it's a little bit more
schemed up. They're going to try to have a good practice,
They're going to try to finish strong, and really, you know,
Evan laid it all out. They'll try to break out
all the breaks to try to get some points on
the board and have practice break the break.

Speaker 8 (08:25):
I mean, that's always how I feel.

Speaker 12 (08:26):
Fred is like once you get inside the yeah, the
seven or eight yard line, like you really would like
to just run the teams that that's really what you
would want to do. And maybe some of that involves
Drake like that it's not just not to take him
totally out of the equation, but if you are going
to throw from down there, hopefully it's off play action.
Hopefully it's a moving pocket, like there's some sort of

(08:48):
window dressing involved that's giving the defense pause when you
just run. You're in the gun and you're just running
base plays against the defense in the low red zone,
it's tight, like it's tight down there to make throws
and make it like you guys always talk about those.

Speaker 8 (09:02):
Belichick practices for four or five days, they'd.

Speaker 12 (09:05):
Always be in the red zone and a lot of
the time in recent years at least maybe not the
Brady years, but in recent years, it felt like the
defense would dominate those practices. And we always have this conversation,
are they dominant or are they just down in the
low red zone And it's hard to throw the ball
in from that distance.

Speaker 8 (09:22):
So we'll see, you know, hopefully there's that's coming.

Speaker 12 (09:25):
But you mentioned Travon Henderson and he's the guy to
me that is the most fun to play with like that.
That's the guy that can really be a chess piece
for them down there with his speed, because he does
have that ability, you know, to get the edge and
to turn the corner, you know, with the different things
that you can do, flexing him out, moving him around
to find matchups in the past game, or tossing him
the football to get him out on the perimeter in

(09:46):
the run game.

Speaker 5 (09:47):
A little toss sweep worked well yesterday. To the post.

Speaker 12 (09:49):
Yeah, you know, running type of read option, zone reads
or whatever with Drake where you know they can read
the end and figure out who's got the best laye
in to the end zone. I feel like he's he's
the chess piece so far, at least from this offense
that can make those kinds of plays.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
All right, So the other thing we need to talk about.
Injuries are starting to rear their head for the Patriots,
and we know that Gonzo has been out for a
while reportedly hamstring tweak. Carlton Davis hasn't been practicing getting
a little closer. It seems Matt Collins is back. But

(10:24):
yesterday Morgan Moses left practice.

Speaker 4 (10:27):
Yeah, I think, and he was okay today he was
back out there.

Speaker 13 (10:29):
I was.

Speaker 4 (10:30):
I think that's still part of the plan. And I
get why.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
You know, it's sometimes he comes late and he just practices.
Sometimes he starts the practice like you did yesterday and
he left. So everyone's radar is up for what Morgan
Mosa is, his health situation is.

Speaker 4 (10:42):
Until I see something more dramatic, I think that this
is just them.

Speaker 5 (10:45):
That's been always something to monitor because I do believe
that Trey Jacobs and Marcus Bryant took Yeah, I don't
know if all of the reps I think at right
tackle today, you know, even though it was a walkthrough.
So yeah, the offensive line into I think is some
of the depth is being chipped away at a little bit.
You know, they had to put your heir durant On
on I R And you know, Cayden Wallace hasn't practiced

(11:08):
much City so hasn't practiced much. I think it was
Wallace Friday night that he left. He didn't practice yesterday
or today. So yeah, they're starting to lose some of
the depth pieces.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
Friday's practice, Kendrick Bourne got banged.

Speaker 4 (11:21):
Yeah, yeah, said he got rolled up on.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
And the I mean the most disappointing went to me
so far is Chase On, who's been having a great
camp and something happened to him Friday night.

Speaker 4 (11:30):
He hasn't been on the last two days.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
We have seen him around a little bit, so it
doesn't seem like it's you know, he's in traction.

Speaker 12 (11:37):
It's hard to tell us until we like get a
feel for how Rabel handles these things a little bit more.
Are these plans are they? You know, is Mario Moses
on some sort of set plan? Is Chase On's injury?
Like is if this was a game week? Like is
he out there at practice? But because it's training camp,
we're going to you know, pull back the rains a

(11:58):
little bit, you know, those types of things. Carlton Davis
to me, is clearly on some sort of plan that
when it comes around to week one, they're confident that
they'll have them ready to go, but they don't need
to have them out there in that second week of
training camp, which is fine, but you know, well, I'm
still kind of learning some of those different things they're
trying to read, like how each guy's situation is a

(12:18):
little bit different. I think, you know, Jacquelyn Roy and
Marcella's dial got hurt like that those two guys, I
feel like, is different than some of these veteran players
we're talking about.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Yeah, and you know, injuries are going to happen. They're
inevitable in football, so you just got to deal with them.

Speaker 4 (12:33):
Yeah, I mean, that's it is.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
Every team is equipped to deal with them a little
bit better than others. It's yet to see how the
Patriots can deal with injuries.

Speaker 5 (12:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
I just like that the rookies have generally stayed healthy.
That to me is always really important. New guys learning
the system, learning how to be NFL pros, That to
me is super important. Now will Campbell out there every day,
you know, learning taking his lumps giving them back. Those
are you know, positive developments and I'm excited to see
Will camp go against these guys in Washington the next

(13:02):
you know, preseason and as well as the joint practice.
See a little bit of that snarley attitude that that
Will Campbell plays with.

Speaker 4 (13:08):
I think he'll bring Tom.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
Speaking of Will Campbell, I was so impressed with him
after Friday's practice. He did a media scrum on the
field after practice, and just the way he dealt with
the questions, you know, just smiling, listening, you know, answering
them directly. Just he has the presence of a veteran

(13:30):
when it comes to dealing with the with the media. Now,
who knows what's gonna happen once the season starts, but
right now he really knows how to handle himself.

Speaker 4 (13:41):
Yeah, he does.

Speaker 3 (13:41):
I mean that maturity that I think just an experienced player.
He has that kind of confidence innately in him. But
like you said, I think he's acknowledging it's a process
and that's what we all have to acknowledge. And you know,
if he's gonna be going with Jared Wilson at left guard,
that makes things really interesting too. And now Marcus Bryant's
kind of in the mix, and I to say, you know,

(14:01):
other than Michael Minu and I still probably have some
questions about Michael Minut.

Speaker 4 (14:05):
There are there are questions at every spot right now.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
You know, can Bradberry hold up as a pass protector?

Speaker 4 (14:10):
You know, is Jared Wilson ready to go as a
left guard?

Speaker 3 (14:13):
It was Will Campbell ready to go as a left tackle?
What's the health situation at right tackle? So it's a
lot of questions long after this time again.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
This time last year. This time last year, we found
out with empirical evidence when the Eagles came that the
line was not ready.

Speaker 14 (14:28):
M hm.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
So let's see what happens tomorrow.

Speaker 12 (14:32):
Yeah, this is not the Eagles defensive line that's coming
in here from Washington, but it's it. They have NFL
players on their line and there are some good ones,
I guess, like I'm almost looking forward to Friday night
when it comes to the offensive line because you need
the tape like you can't. Things are just flying around
in practice, like you know, what's how is he getting beat?
And why is he getting beat? You know, is it

(14:52):
related to his arm leight? Is it related to just
things that you can coach or fix like you can't
really see that live, like it all happens too fast.
So Friday night will be a good test. Even if
the commander's top guys aren't playing. I assume all the
Patriots rookies are going to play at least a little bit,
and we might get hopefully a couple of drives of
Will Campbell and Jared Wilson that we can really dig

(15:15):
into and break down, which will be healthy.

Speaker 5 (15:17):
Yeah, that was good. He'll talk today for Mike and I.
I do think there's a chance that you might see
an extra series for the two rookies Wilson and Campbell.
I wouldn't expect to see much of those frontline guys.
Maybe they start and play the first series. But you know,
Morgan Moses doesn't even make it through practices. I wouldn't
expect to see him much, if at all.

Speaker 8 (15:37):
And don't I don't need to see drink may I don't.

Speaker 12 (15:39):
I just the rookie should play because the game tape
is really helpful, and I know they have the practice stuff,
but like it's different when you get into a game
and the ability to play in the game, get the
feel for how that is and then go watch it
the next day with the coaches and break it down
like that can be. You can really grow from doing that,
and I think that that's important for.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
Them wide receivers. Really interesting to me just how much
does Kyle Williams play? Is he clearly you know? Does
he get a few reps and then get to rest
and then it's Polk and Baker going a long way
the distance? Those are the guys you look at as
like five six right now, Chisholm, maybe as seven.

Speaker 4 (16:15):
So they how do they see Kyle Williams?

Speaker 3 (16:17):
You know, do they see this as an opportunity for
him to really get a ton of reps where he
might just be a rotational piece, I feel like once
we get to the season at least early on, but
or do they just want to see Polk and Baker
get a ton of snaps. I think those guys are
kind of locked on a competition right now.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
So speaking of Friday, of course it's the preseason game one,
but it's also the unveiling of the Brady statue and
it's been announced that that will start at six o'clock.
We'll have that live on Patriots dot com, so you
can watch that ceremony. It shouldn't take that long, fifteen
twenty minutes. Obviously, Tom Brady will be there with his family,

(16:54):
and there'll be other VIPs there. I'm sure Robert Kraft
will speak as well as Tom. But yeah, so excited
to see the statue unveiled.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
Yeah yeah then we'll I guess we'll go right into
the pregame show. But Pauline and I will be waiting
to go and there and.

Speaker 4 (17:08):
We'll break it all down. So yeah, so long in.

Speaker 5 (17:10):
The bullpen, Mike.

Speaker 8 (17:11):
I hope you have a long, you know, breakdown of
the statue.

Speaker 4 (17:15):
You know, all the specifics to wait.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
Yeah, and no matter you know, no matter what it
looks like. Half the people will like it, and half
people won't. Oh yeah, you know, yeah, they'll say, oh,
you should have done this, he should have been doing that,
he should have looked like you know. So I think
the main thing is does it look like him? If
you can, if you can conquer that, that's half the battle,
you know. Now the pose is you know, debatable. Everyone's

(17:39):
got their opinion on what the pose should be, but.

Speaker 15 (17:41):
It's got to look like I oh, so, I know, Well,
the statue is there.

Speaker 12 (17:47):
I just can't help but think of Rocky three and
mister t and with this with the statue unveiling.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
And you know, just like that, like Peyton Manning is
going to come crash this and like hit on Tom
Brady's girlfriend in front of us. It's like, give the real, immediate,
real man, the old man got no heart, right, or
we're gonna some night be out here and Brady's going
to pull up to it the motorcycle.

Speaker 4 (18:10):
Yeah, he's upset about something.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
It always comes back to movies, all right, that he's
still some stairs she could run up to.

Speaker 4 (18:19):
I mean they're not directly to the statue. Are stairs there?
You can get the whole Rocky What.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
Would what would Tom? Well? Tom has the jay Z song, right,
we can't hum it or else we'll be soon back.
Never do that, Okay, So what else are we talking
about today? We've got joint practices tomorrow, We've got the
practices we've just had. We've talked a little bit about injuries,
We've got the Brady unveiling. What else do we want

(18:43):
to put on the table? Anything?

Speaker 3 (18:45):
I feel like you get to the point right now
where you kind of settle in and you have a
good sense of you know, the guys who are in
the mix to play and be a significant part of
the team, and the guys who are you know, maybe
trying to push or hoping for an injury.

Speaker 4 (18:55):
And you know, then you get to this point, you're
like joint practices now preseason.

Speaker 3 (18:59):
Games, like we want to see some actual tackling, some
real football, and I think these.

Speaker 4 (19:04):
Are where you really learn the most, so that they
feel like these first two weeks you're kind of set
in the states. We see actual tackling, not in the
joint practice, but you know.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
Friday night will in the game, I think, and then
you'll see hopefully, but you know, since of the run
game a little bit better, a little bit more with
some of these offensive linemen and where there are so
many questions on.

Speaker 4 (19:23):
The offensive line, I just think, you know, getting to see.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
Marcus Bryant, trade Jacobs, really get some reps out there
as Trade Jacobs made any strides might be a little
bit too early on Bandarian Low. He just came back
this week, might be able to asking a lot for
him to hop into a game. But just if any
of these guys Leyden Robinson really hasn't done much in camp,
can he I mean, he's got a real big opportunity
right now with two of these kind of guards above him.

Speaker 4 (19:44):
So we'll see somebody pops once once the lights come on.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
Next week looking ahead, they'll be off to Minnesota to
have joint practices with the Vikings. So two.

Speaker 4 (19:52):
Yeah, it's gonna be two practices, which not kind of
a little bit of a throwback. I guess at this
point team most teams going to just one joint practice. Yep,
So I guess they trust kevital call was.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
A recent move, I guess for various reasons, but one
of them was like things would boil up and yeah
flow over them.

Speaker 4 (20:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
Well, that second day at Green Bay Camp, I mean
I was with the defense. It was like seven fights
in the first nine snaps.

Speaker 12 (20:16):
There was still just feel like once you know, Washington
to Boston is not a bad fight, but once you
start to stretch it, like, if you're not going to
have two practices, was it would it really be worth
bringing everybody to Minnesota?

Speaker 8 (20:27):
Yeah for one practice? Like point probably not.

Speaker 12 (20:30):
But I just like bigger picture thought when I was
driving in today about the preseason, like how many how
much longer are we going to do? Three of these
and like like how little can we do? Like what's
the number that we can possibly get to that feels
like these aren't a waste of time.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
It'll be down to two within two years.

Speaker 12 (20:47):
Because two feels like, Okay, you want to give the
back end of the roster guys a chance to compete,
and I get I and also put film out there
for the other thirty one teams and like all that
good stuff. But to do his point, like we pretty
much know who the team is at this point, Like
there's four or five spots that I think are up
for grabs that people are competing for with the Patriots,
but you know who the starting you know, eleven are

(21:10):
on both sides. You know, like the twenty twenty five
guys are that are going to contribute? Like, can we
just move this a lot a little bit faster because
I think these preseason games are.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
I just you know, I understand that the starters don't
play a lot in the preseason, but they play a little.
And I think you need to have some real tackling
under your belt before you get into a real game.
So you don't tackle and practice anymore, so you have
to have some ability to get your body tackling.

Speaker 4 (21:39):
Yeah too.

Speaker 5 (21:42):
Yeah, the fact that we've been having the same conversation
for twenty five years, I know. And they don't tackle
in the preseason and at the beginning of the season,
the football is a little sloppy, right, and then they
get on with it, right, it's not going to change,
But they don't play. The starters don't play.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
People complain that the September football sucks.

Speaker 5 (21:59):
No, I know, but then it's not going to change.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
Well, I mean they could, but.

Speaker 5 (22:04):
The starters don't play. They don't want to risk them
getting hurt in preseason games. It's bad enough that they're
going to get hurt in the regular games. And they
just don't play a lot. And the more established you, why,
the less you play.

Speaker 12 (22:15):
And as you should, like I don't blame any teams
for not like if like, if I'm the Patriots, I'm
not playing any of my guys because we have these
joint practices, Like there's no reason to risk it in
the regular season. In the preseason games when you have
three joint practices coming up over the next two weeks, Like.

Speaker 8 (22:30):
I wouldn't risk it either.

Speaker 12 (22:31):
But it's it's just not a good product, Like it's
not like the preseason games. It's aren't good for the fans,
it's not good for the players, Like, just get on
with it, like two preseason games back.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
But I don't know, can you make the case that
by not conditioning your body to tackle in the preseason
that you're more susceptible to injury once the season starts,
like for a guy like a linebacker or you know,
a safety.

Speaker 5 (22:54):
You can make that, make any argument you want, but
it's just not going to change. Like, I mean, you can't.
I don't think. I don't think that that's silly what
you just said that you could make that argument easily. So,
but it's not going to change. That's my only point.
I'm not telling you that I'm pro or against for
again as you like to say.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
You're saying that because you're not going back to telling
the players they got to start being more physical again once.

Speaker 5 (23:17):
You leationship is sick, I just don't think it's going
to happen.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
But but but here's the thing. So this reduction of
the physicality in practice came about for two reasons. One,
you know the concussion issue, but also it was a
concession in the CBA. Right, Well, oh, we're not going
to give you more money that you're looking for, But

(23:41):
we'll make we'll make the off season a little bit
less physical. I'll bet you if you pulled all the players,
they take the money over the physical less physicality, you know.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (23:52):
Yeah, if you want to say, my choice is to
make more money or be more physical in practice, they'll
take the more money. Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
Yeah. So who knows what the lack.

Speaker 5 (24:01):
Of tackling at practice. I don't remember the last time
I saw any sort of consistent tackling at practice. I
can't even remember. I don't remember it ever a little
bit last summer they did. They did, I'm just talking
about on a consistent basis at practice. I don't ever
remember it. At a Bill Belichick training camp. I saw
a little of it with Pete Carroll, but not very much.
Probably less than they was for Mayo last year. Yeah,

(24:23):
you'd see some live goal line with Belichick. That's it.
So I don't think that it's realistic to say, well,
they should go back to more more physical practices in
training camp, because whether you think they should or not,
I don't think it's going to happen. So it's kind
of a moot point.

Speaker 8 (24:36):
Yeah, I'm not like what they do live tackling a
lot of them.

Speaker 12 (24:41):
Yeah, but like that's because they have like one hundred
and fifty players on the roster and they have to
like figure it out right, and you know, somebody the
fifth string defensive end gets hurt. It's like not that
big of a deal. But like I feel like I'm
not saying abolished preseason. I just think there doesn't need
to be more than two. Yeah, Like you have to

(25:01):
dress rehearsal opportunities, whether to play your starters or to
audition if you're going out for you know, a roster
spot at the back end of the roster or a
roll or something like that, you have two opportunities you have.
Every team does joint practices now, it feels like most years,
so you're gonna have those opportunities as well.

Speaker 8 (25:18):
It just feels like it's enough.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
I wonder too, if there's an angle with just the
coaching staff needing preseason games to all get on the
same page and to work, and it's is it more
than just about getting the players ready, it's also about
getting the coaching staff ready.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
Yeah, you know you need those games that the actual
scenarios that come up within a game.

Speaker 3 (25:37):
How's the communication going, who's on the headsets, all that
kind of stuff. I mean, I'm sure it could all
be figured out, but I would guess that some of
the coaching staff probably likes I.

Speaker 5 (25:46):
Think that's why they One of the reasons why they
like to do joint practices is they can manufacture those
and don't come up in the games.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
And to take it even a step further, do the
stadiums need to practice runs or for preseason games?

Speaker 4 (25:59):
You know, beverage, get it, get it geared up?

Speaker 2 (26:01):
Yah, all the support staff, security, ticket takers. You need
those live rehearsals, if you will, to get ready for
you know, the real games.

Speaker 4 (26:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (26:13):
So yeah, I'm not trying to take away your screen time,
bly you know, and the Bob's discount for.

Speaker 5 (26:21):
Yeah, I mean obviously you don't know. I'm I'm like,
I'm really happy to be part of the broadcast and whatnot.
But I recognize them for what they are. I mean,
it's it's minutia that is just not all that interesting
to most of the fans. Now, there's some diehards that
are interested in the you know, the bottom twenty of
the roster from seventy to ninety you know how those

(26:43):
guys look who's on the practice squad. Yeah, but that's
that's a niche, I'll get it.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
Of the big four sports, which do you think exhibition
games are most important?

Speaker 5 (26:54):
Probably baseball, I was going to say, because you have
to actually play the game to be especially pitching to
the even the repetition of hitting. Yeah, that's you know,
there's a reason why. I mean, I know you guys
don't want to talk about you know Raffi. Yeah, there's
the reason why he struck out fifteen of his first
nineteen at bats. He didn't do anything all spring.

Speaker 12 (27:16):
Right, Yeah, Or like why guys go on rehab assignments
when they're coming off injuries and they go to the
miners to cover a couple of weeks to get their
rhythm back at baseball?

Speaker 2 (27:26):
All right? Eighty five to five Pats five hundred is
the hotline podcast at Patriots dot How was.

Speaker 5 (27:31):
PP two without the benefit of practice?

Speaker 4 (27:35):
No, I was thinking hockey's one where you just need practice.

Speaker 3 (27:37):
You just got to get your hands and feet and sync.
But playing in actual games one or.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
Two scrimmages podcasts at Patriots dot com address, you know,
that was rude.

Speaker 4 (27:48):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 5 (27:49):
Sorry, I get my shot at.

Speaker 3 (27:51):
I'm gett Albert Breer got scolded by Brett Toucher the
other day and he spoke over one of his video
just getting upset.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Called him a moron. Did he really? Oh yeah, he
was mad. Wow. Well, they have this complicated giveaway and
I won't mention like the type of car it is
or who's giving it away, but there's several steps you
have to do in order to qualify. And so he's
trying to lay out these steps for the listeners, and
and Breer chimes in with some research that he did,

(28:23):
you know while on the break, So what.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
Are you doing?

Speaker 6 (28:27):
It was?

Speaker 2 (28:28):
It was funny, Actually he was good.

Speaker 4 (28:29):
Rad Fred's reads again your your reads?

Speaker 5 (28:32):
That's funny. No, I was definitely in the wrong there.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
I was guilty of Sorry. All right, let's go to
the phones. We'll see what people have to say. Uh,
Nate and Connecticut's first one?

Speaker 16 (28:44):
Up?

Speaker 2 (28:44):
What's up?

Speaker 1 (28:44):
Nate?

Speaker 2 (28:46):
Not we're just listening to you, that's what's up?

Speaker 17 (28:51):
Oh yeah, that's true.

Speaker 6 (28:52):
Uh So my question for you guys is about Javon Baker.
Based on what I've heard, he had a really good
practice yesterday, calling in a couple of touchdowns and hassling
good catches. What have you guys been out of him
so far within these past training camps. Has he been
froster worthy would you say? Or is he still trying

(29:13):
to work his way up so you know, getting their
respect and getting his name up in the list, and yeah,
you guys think, okay.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
Thanks Nate say flashes, I mean flashes of of what
he does, which is an acrobatic nature to his game.
He moves different, He's got an explosiveness to him that
maybe the other guys don't necessarily have.

Speaker 4 (29:33):
But it's just consistency for me. And that's as soon as.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
We grouped up yesterday at the end of practice, it
was yeah, he had three straight touchdown catches and sevens.
He had another grab and eleven's and then we got
down when things got a little tighter and looked like
he had another one and it got punched out pretty quick.
So you know, had he held on too that, I
would say he's really starting to keep that momentum. That
one play maybe downgraded my overall impression of him, but

(29:56):
there's no question he's the one making the push over
Jaln polkinefting chis right.

Speaker 4 (30:00):
Now for that maybe last one or two receiver spots.

Speaker 12 (30:03):
Yeah, I feel like I've given this takes seven times
already on Javon Baker. But I just feel like the
two things, Like one, I can't quit what I thought
of him in the draft, and I was pretty high
on him going into that draft and thought it was
a pretty good pick.

Speaker 8 (30:17):
I know there was things.

Speaker 12 (30:18):
Off the field or with character stuff that had him
fall to the fourth round, but to get a talent
like that at one hundred and ten overall felt like
a pretty good pick at the time. And I just
still see the raw talent with him that is like
you were saying, dude, it's kind of unique in that room,
Like there's not a lot of six two two oh
five with a four to five with ability to go

(30:38):
above the room and win at the catch point down
the field. Like they don't really have like a jump
ball receiver on the team outside of him. And so
if it's Keishan Boodie, it's Kyle Williams. You know, these
guys are are different skill sets. They're not exactly the
same as Javon Baker. So his skill set stands out
over the rest of these players. Now, is that enough

(30:59):
to put him on the roster. I don't know, but
to me, he's like the one guy that they can
put on the outside and actually he can win the
ball down the field, you know, in a contested situation.

Speaker 8 (31:09):
I don't know if that's the other guy's game.

Speaker 5 (31:11):
If not for that characteristic, I'd be a hard no.
But he does provide something that they do not have
any other guy on the roster that has that skill set.
So because of that, I want to see some more.
But I've watched him now for you know, a full
year last year and pretty much all of camp this year,
and he's just so wildly inconsistent. I'm a no dog,

(31:35):
but he does have a skill set that I don't
really think that they have anybody else that has.

Speaker 4 (31:42):
It's one of those guys just really hard. I think
from a coaching standpoint that you're.

Speaker 15 (31:46):
Intrigued by the traits that he has, but if you
can't count on him and you know he's not going
to deliver it, So that's somebody to me, who's going
to play a lot on this preseason and talk about
eliminating preseason games.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
You know, if you do go down to one or two,
it's guys like Jaymon Baker, who are on that bubble,
who have the talent, who maybe just need a couple
of games where they play a bunch to find I just.

Speaker 5 (32:08):
Need that to be in practice. I don't need it
to be like catching a patch from Ben Ben Wooldridge
to tell me that he can do something. That's that's
my whole field with the whole preseason games thing. If
he was going to be out there with Drake May
for three quarters, now that's a different story. But I
just again, I fought that fight. I don't think it's
ever coming back like that. Some of the frontline guys

(32:29):
will play like Patrick Mahomes generally plays every year in
the preseason a little bit more than most guys of
his you know stature, but not a lot. You know,
he'll get a series.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
He would help the league more. A minor league or
you know Pro Football favorite in the spring or a
minor league that's happening while the NFL seasons that you
could pull people from as you need them, as injuries
come up, or as guys start to flash you you
can you can sign people from this other league.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
It might be hard to maintain during the season where
you're constantly losing guys and then you got to find
new guys to fill those guys. If you're just kind
of a feeder system for the NFL, so you.

Speaker 12 (33:11):
Have to always separate, like you'd have to have your
own GM and your own head coach have to be
literally it's on separate entity because that team.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
The Patriots, like, it's not the Patriots minor league team,
it's the NFL's minor league teams and t and each
team can draw from anybody. M hm, you can decide
to sign anyone.

Speaker 12 (33:33):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I've always said that I'd love
to see something like that. Now I think of it
more of a spring thing, so that it fills the
void of when we don't have for NFL football. I
don't know who's watching when there's college on Saturday and
there's NFL on else like, So it's not necessarily filling
that void like it would in the spring, but.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
I would know that, like, if a guy starts really
doing well in that league, the NFL teams are gonna
notice and they could grab him, might you know, uh,
spur interest in the league.

Speaker 12 (34:08):
Would have to play on like a Tuesday night, Like
it'd have to be something, you know, I.

Speaker 4 (34:11):
Think the thing is hard to me though.

Speaker 3 (34:13):
It's just that when you see this happen with like
UFL guys, it's never really anybody all that talented. I
mean in theory the way you're laying it out, it's
like and maybe someone will blossom like well this is.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
Where like a Javon Baker.

Speaker 5 (34:24):
Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 3 (34:25):
Maybe, but I just think that would be so rare
to really find players that made it through the cracks.

Speaker 5 (34:30):
And a lot of those guys in the UFL, you know,
the kind of play comes to it immediately comes to mind,
you know, big.

Speaker 8 (34:37):
Tall draft media got that you know, uh, you know.

Speaker 5 (34:41):
X receiver, you know on the outside. I see him
in the in the UFL, but kind of I'm the
only one that's a loser and watching some of that stuff.

Speaker 12 (34:50):
Like Jeremiah Farms is probably one of the best like
cases of it. I mean, I'm sure there's others and
other teams, just the ones I know are the Patriots.
Like Jeremiah Farm said a nice run in one of
those spring leagues, and the Patriots found him from there
and now he's been like a rotational piece for them
for the last couple of years. So that's probably been
the best success story here locally.

Speaker 4 (35:10):
Some of the kickers too, I think probably have been
in some of those leagues.

Speaker 5 (35:12):
Bates kid for uh, Detroit had a terrific season for them.
That's a little bit yes, Jake Bates, Yeah, yes, but
as a specialist dud and that that translates like it's
not like the level of competition you're kicking the ball,
you can he was kicking it in ford field for
the Michigan Panthers and for the Detroit Lions. Nothing changed.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
It's funny for as many draft picks as every NFL
front office gets wrong, they still seem to generally be
able to identify the talent pool and the.

Speaker 4 (35:39):
Guys down there. It's I mean, there's some.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
Draft picks where you look back at you know whatever,
twenty seventeen and you go right down. We did that
a couple of months ago, and there's so many players
that you're like, who's this guy? Like completely out of
the league. How could the NFL be so wrong about that?
And yet you'd think if that's the case, that in
those lower leagues there would be some gems that through
the cracks. But I think we found that guy was
Cam Wake Was he like a CFL one that was

(36:03):
one where he kind of something like that. He did
play in the season one that that was maybe a
little bit like that and be and actually became a
like a star in the NFL, but really rare.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
Yeah, let's go to Brian and Indiana. What's up Brian?

Speaker 17 (36:18):
Hey, guys, how are we doing good?

Speaker 1 (36:21):
Hey?

Speaker 17 (36:21):
Just two quick things. What is the possibility of the
team potentially moving on from ramondre Stevenson after the season.
I don't think he's really lived up to the contract
and we have a new regime. And it was just
one of your guys' thoughts on that. And then last
but not least, Bred and Paul when you guys go
at it, that's probably my favorite part of the show.

(36:43):
Love to see it. I'll take it off the year.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
Thanks guys, Okay, thanks Brian fight for me?

Speaker 5 (36:47):
Well yeah, yeah, Dance, I would say there's a better
than average shot that they move on from reminder seasons
and after the season.

Speaker 12 (36:57):
So his contract is really two more years yep. Now
they can cap stuff. Well, if they can need dead money,
they can.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
You know, let's see what type of season he has, right, but.

Speaker 8 (37:08):
He's here for this year.

Speaker 12 (37:09):
I think unless the trade comes up, which I don't
think it will, but if it did, but contractually his
deal kind of runs through twenty twenty six, right, so
it's up.

Speaker 8 (37:21):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (37:22):
I'd still i'd still want to hang on to Antonio Gibson.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
I've seen some people positive that maybe he's on, could
be on, like a trade candidate.

Speaker 4 (37:29):
I don't I don't know.

Speaker 5 (37:30):
Yeah, oh yeah, you know you need I mean you
need I'm sort of anti running the ball, but you
actually need running back.

Speaker 14 (37:36):
You have you have.

Speaker 5 (37:37):
I don't care who they are, but you have to
have some running backs on your roster.

Speaker 8 (37:40):
Sure, I think they keep four.

Speaker 12 (37:41):
I think Larson's gonna might stick to to Paul's point, like,
I think they're gonna need the running backs, and you're
not one hundred percent sure about Stevenson. And if you
can rely on Stevenson, well, if Gibson and Henderson become
like the one two punch, then you need a backup.

Speaker 3 (37:56):
And they had a backup with some size that could
maybe be in really down kind of guy and maybe
would consider it. But I still think that ramondro Stevens
is so unique on this team in terms of his
size and his ability to be balanced that it would
be hard to get by with just Gibson and Henderson.

Speaker 4 (38:10):
I feel like you'd be kind of limited.

Speaker 12 (38:12):
The worst case scenario happens and Remondred has a year
like he did last year.

Speaker 6 (38:16):
It's just.

Speaker 12 (38:18):
Other than eating the dead money and just moving on, like,
there's not gonna be a trade market. There's barely trade
markets for running Back says it is, So I just
that's that's a difficult part. When we talk about Stevenson,
is like, how like, how are you moving him? Well,
you know, unless you're just gonna rip it up.

Speaker 5 (38:33):
But yeah, I mean I would expect both of those
guys from Stevenson and Gibson be part of the twenty
five picture, you know, going forward. I agree with you
know O'Brien the way he said it. You know, it's
kind of a contracts from our previous regime, and you're
gonna be looking to get you know, some of your
own guys much like they did this year. You can't

(38:55):
just like wipe them all away. But I think that
they they said goodbye to a handful of guys that
were under contract, like Andrews and Bentley and you know,
and some of those kinds of guys, and I think
there'll be more next year.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
Wise and godscha, they were.

Speaker 5 (39:09):
Well Godshaw was traded. Wise was a free agent.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
He was Brad's in Ohio. What's up, Brad?

Speaker 18 (39:17):
Hi, guys, how you doing that.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
Good?

Speaker 19 (39:21):
I've just got a couple uh questions and observations.

Speaker 13 (39:27):
First of all, with.

Speaker 19 (39:28):
The preseason games, I think the only thing you can
actually glean from that is once in a while you'll
see a player that popped out, you know, so there
you fight, you find that you actually hit a gym
once in a blue Uh. But you know, and I
wondered about it, we would might have if we keep

(39:52):
more receivers, like I'm anticipating if McDaniel's uses three and
were in five receivers, said with uh, Anderson and you
know two running back in a bunch formation in the shotgun.
Do you think the attributes of the wide receivers we

(40:15):
have even those, the differences would mesh well and like
bunch formations or something like that. And I believe Hope
and Baker that to me, this is their first season.
I mean they the coaching was sol atrocious and everywhere.
I just don't think they had an opportunity to do.

Speaker 7 (40:38):
Anything, you know.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
But but you know, thanks Bratt. I mean, they did
what they did. You know, it's it's still their ability
out there, whether or not the coach. You know, they
were coached up to that point in college and everything.
So I hear what he's saying that I don't don't.

Speaker 5 (40:53):
I don't buy that at all. Like, how was Booty
What do you mean how was Kai shan Bouti last year?
He came on at the end despite not having any coaching,
his talent, sort of his talent. You know, let's not
just put it. I mean, I'm just not here for
the whole like everything was a disaster last year because

(41:15):
of the coaching staff. I'm not going to get into.
It's not Gerard Mayo bashing season for me. I know
that that's been a real good thing for a lot
of people. That make them, everybody feel better about the
fact that they only won four games last year was
all because of the big bad mini coach two years ago.
And then you know, the guy who was too easy
on them last year. That's why they've won four games.
It's not it's not a lot of the players that

(41:37):
they have haven't been good enough and that's why I
think Elliott Wolf, Ryan Cowden and Mike Rabel have worked
really hard to bring in a lot of new players
to replace a lot of the guys that have been
on those rosters the last year.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
Said it almost on day one, this team is going
to look a lot different in August.

Speaker 5 (41:54):
And that's the thing that has me most optimistic about
the future. It's a combination of the young guys that
they drafted, like Henderson, that that Mike and Evan talked
about earlier and the things that he might be able
to do, and bringing in veteran guys who I think
play at a level significantly higher than the guys that
they're replacing. And we don't everybody knows all the names,

(42:16):
and Milton Williams and Robert splains Carlton Davis's of the world,
those guys are better than the guys they're replacing.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
Travis writes in from West Virginia. A couple of caller
on caller tidbits. One you might want to rein in
Nate and Connecticut before we have another Pat Nagawam on
our hands. We don't need to hear from him every show. Well,
but here's the thing Travis, A small percentage of the
people who listen call her email.

Speaker 5 (42:42):
So if you call, you're more than welcome to call
every show. Well, taking the.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
Calls a call, you know, like if you want to call, call,
so Nate call, I'm gonna take Nate's call.

Speaker 5 (42:54):
You don't steal that from me. I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
But you know, variety is obviously the spice of life.
But like I said, a very very small percentage of
people who listen to sports radio in general actually call.
They just want to listen or watch, you know, they
don't want to get on the phone. So I get that.
So when people call, I answered the phone. You no.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
I love when people say first time caller that they're
still moved to call in and tell us something too.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
If James Pettigrew wants to refer to himself as the
most interesting Patriots fan in the world, well I refer
to him as that. Fred doesn't refer to him, it seems,
but anyway, he might want to call in with a
more interesting topic than how many wins will the Patriots have? Fred,
why do you even entertain that topic at this point?
So with criticisms for me for the callers, Travis in

(43:41):
West Virginia on his high horse. That's okay, that's all right.

Speaker 3 (43:45):
Fire, I just want to go back for a second
with Paul was saying, I'm finding now to some intrigue
of what's the turnover like next year?

Speaker 4 (43:52):
Are there? You know, it still feels like more to come.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
There, still feels like there's some pieces that they weren't
quite able to hammer in the way that they want
just yet.

Speaker 4 (44:01):
And a little bit to the point of what you
were saying, with a contract like Ramandra Stevenson or Michael
one of those kind of guys.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
Dugger you know, to those guys after this year, do
we really see whether or not those guys fit into
what they And some.

Speaker 5 (44:13):
Of the guys that they brought in, even that are
on you know, longer term contracts, they're probably not all
going to be just oh yeah, you know, he signed
a three year deal, so he was going to be
here for three years, you know, right, right.

Speaker 12 (44:26):
But even like you know, to your point, just like
the Devis and the jennings Is and like like I
think get rid of all the right like I think
like some of the guys we're hoping, you know, Dugger
of Pepper's or Mandra Stevenson, Like maybe they're more of
the players that they work two years ago instead of
last year. But like, I still can't really figure out
where those two guys, in particular Jennings and Tavia are

(44:49):
going to fit into the vision that of the defense
that they're playing now. Like I just don't really understand
their role right now. So like I'm with you, like
those types of guys, Like I feel like they needed
to keep them around this year, probably for depth purposes,
just because they couldn't turn They can't have fifty three
new players, so you have to have certain guys that
are still around all right.

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Speaker 1 (47:36):
How are we doing great? Hi Karen? You miss me?

Speaker 8 (47:42):
Thanks and we haven't chatted you with you since the
in stadium practice and.

Speaker 5 (47:49):
The offense had some issues.

Speaker 8 (47:52):
They were kind of sloppy.

Speaker 18 (47:53):
A couple of interceptions from midri put the ball on
the ground.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
Just curious. Yeah.

Speaker 22 (47:58):
The turnovers, yeah, turnovers, you know, I thought we did
some really good things and uh try to show him that,
you know, the turnovers are certainly gonna get his beat.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
We had some passes that should have been caught with some.

Speaker 22 (48:18):
You know, I would say decisions right, I think, and
hopefully you know when we ask a receiver, you know,
do a run a play like that that if it's
not there, there's other ways to get out of the
play and he could continue to run.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
Out of the pocket, he could throw it away.

Speaker 22 (48:34):
So those are great things to teach on in those
specific instances in Remandre. You know, when make a great
cut and you and you break through, know that that
every team in the league is and hopefully ours is
one of those teams that you know, the guys coming
to the ball and they're they're gonna come and hammer it,
and they're gonna they're gonna play full tilt to the tackle.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
And so.

Speaker 22 (48:55):
The cut, great cut, good job in the open field
and you know, fun Fortunately we'll have to continue to
rep that and take.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
Care of football.

Speaker 22 (49:03):
But that that's something that those things that you mentioned,
I think overshadow a lot of the good stuff that
that we did in a in a in a team
setting that had the team split up and had different
guys working with with different you know, guys next.

Speaker 17 (49:20):
To him times last year, I know you were here.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
Does he get like a fresh clean slate from you?

Speaker 22 (49:27):
Or everybody has a fresh clean slate, and you know,
we like to go through those things. And some of
that is techniques. Some of that is the second guy
in a lot of times on fumbles. If you want
to talk fumbles and ball security, I'm happy to do that.
But one person is going to have the ball in
their hand, uh, every play offensively, and the rest of
those ten players are going to be responsible for protecting

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the guy with the ball, and so yep, there were
some instances where he put it on the ground and
there were some instances where you know, the second guy
came in, and we need to eliminate the second guy
from coming in by the way that we play and
our plate demeanor and the way that we finish. So uh,
clean slate. Everybody has has a clean slate. But also

(50:08):
you know, there's things that have to have to change
and you know, be better at every every position as
we move towards the season.

Speaker 5 (50:17):
Towards the end of the game.

Speaker 23 (50:18):
How much of that was good situational awareness from him
and how much of that maybe could have been a
better decision.

Speaker 22 (50:23):
Well, I mean we would need to make you know,
I mean we need to if the if the corner
is flat footed, we probably need to throw it over
his head and live to fight another day. Credit credit
to double A. And I like sometimes when these things
come up, because now we can coach the quarterbacks to
to say, hey, if the guy's not bailing, if you're

(50:44):
just sitting there standing flat footed, and you go over there,
it's a it's a yes no, and you're gonna have
to just decide that. You know, you can't progress back
and come over here to the field, You're going to
get sacked or strip sacked. So throw it over his
head and being able to to catch that ball double
A and end it and then explain to him, you know,
go down, go down, go down.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
We have the lead.

Speaker 22 (51:05):
And you know, these are all great things that come
up and allow us to coach. And just like the
drive before, you know, we throw one into Kays and
kay Sean does a nice job to get us in
the field goal range. Thomas chose to call time out.
He was the head coach. That was his decision. You know,
I told the team, hey, listen, we have a couple options.

(51:27):
We can now go to the ball. We can clock
the ball and be second down. We can center it
wherever we want to center it. We can slow clock it.
We can you know, take a knee. I can call
time out with three seconds and we kick the winner.
So those are all things that come up, and they
come up organically and allows us to teach it and
coach it. And I know that this happens having done
this for however many years, I can show them, but

(51:51):
until they actually are in that position which they're going
to come up. The more that we do to a minute,
just like today, we're going to have end of game situation.
Ball is going to be on the twenty five yard line,
going to be forty five seconds. You're going to see
what the last plays are from the five yard line
or the ten yard line, because that's just where the
ball is going to be, I would imagine.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
So then we can coach those up and see where
it goes. Sorry, it's a long.

Speaker 22 (52:12):
Winded answer, but there's a lot of different situations that
come up just by repping it, and I can show them,
but then they actually there in it. I said, Okay,
now we can coach from from our example come.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
This preseason, gave what's your plan with the quarterback rotation?
And my outtra It's Monday.

Speaker 22 (52:29):
We're focusing on the red zone, focusing on being real
precise down there, not going backwards, not hurting ourselves defense,
you know, defending every blade of grass, making sure that
we undercut when receivers, all the details for the red
zone that are going to hopefully help us in a season.
That's what my focus is, getting back to fundamentals.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
Uh.

Speaker 22 (52:49):
And then you know, when Friday comes around, I'll try
to do my best to let everybody know.

Speaker 23 (52:54):
You said that when you look forward to the first
full padded practice to identify some of those guys and
you cut your eye and what have you Now that
you've seen some of those players, what do you want
from them now here on out?

Speaker 1 (53:06):
Well, I mean, I think continued growth.

Speaker 22 (53:08):
You know, we're still in training camp, and so the
ones that have continued to show improvement and that have
maybe earned some more reps, you know, continuing to do
those types of things and to continue to take the
next step to continue to compete.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
For a role.

Speaker 22 (53:25):
And then the ones, you know, have an opportunity to
to try to get going if you know, maybe they
haven't you know, put their best work out there.

Speaker 1 (53:36):
I don't defer to these guys. Just step in there.

Speaker 21 (53:39):
Cornley the field early on Friday on just you have
the update on kind of what happened.

Speaker 22 (53:43):
The update was just kind of got rolled up, and
he won't be out here. I wouldn't anticipate him this week,
So he'll be working hard to get back, just like
everybody else.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
That's not going to be out there.

Speaker 22 (53:58):
Other than that, I wouldn't expect them here at practice today,
and uh, you know, probably not against Washington on Wednesday.

Speaker 5 (54:05):
Like we've seen the two kickers kick on alternating days,
we've seen to kick on the same days of living
in the stadium.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
What are your impressions thus well.

Speaker 22 (54:12):
They both have done very well, and I mean, I'm
sure nineteen to twenty one or whatever they both are,
and I think they've gotten better and it's a good
competition and I'm glad that they both got to kick
into the stadium and try to get the extra points
and get the end of game kicks.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
And everything that we did.

Speaker 22 (54:29):
So you know, just try to get the volume and
try to you know, every day Jeremy and Tom have
a have a plan for them on how they're going
to kick.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
You see from the kickoff, because we've talked about that.

Speaker 22 (54:41):
Yeah, I think I think they're working through what that
looks like.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
Right.

Speaker 22 (54:46):
You have a couple of different choices if you you know,
want to try to put it up there high and
try to get it as close to the goal line,
but don't get cute, right, you can't have the ball
to the thirty five yard line. And then also some
of these you know, whether they're the low liner, whatever
that may be. I think that's where you talk about
practice and we'll have to figure out what's best for

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us and you know, decide on something.

Speaker 4 (55:11):
Like understanding everyone's got a long way to go here
in camp?

Speaker 1 (55:14):
Are there any positions you feel like you need to
learn more about every single morning?

Speaker 22 (55:18):
I want to continue to learn about our players, about
those positions, about the combinations, and that that's what training
camps for is, you know, really just to.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
Yeah, get get get the players.

Speaker 22 (55:32):
In there that can continue to to to improve and
to compete and go from transitioning against our offense to
quickly adjusting to what Washington is going to do on Wednesday.

Speaker 5 (55:44):
I know we haven't seen much of Matt Collins on
the field so far, but what have you seen from
him off the field?

Speaker 1 (55:49):
Helping out some younger guys.

Speaker 22 (55:50):
Spend a lot of time here in the off season
locked in, engaged. Rare for a player to be able
to get that much information and not practice that is
that's hard.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
That's hard, just.

Speaker 22 (56:04):
Even thinking back when I was in those opportunities to
be able to do that and still understand the details
and not practicing it. So locked in, ready to go,
excited to see him get out there and practice.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
Sorry, go ahead, and now great moments in.

Speaker 12 (56:27):
History to make the trade happen, but they got an
All Star.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
When is the trade hitline?

Speaker 8 (56:31):
By the way, July end of July?

Speaker 5 (56:33):
And I just don't know why trading for.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
A month and a half. It's a month and a
half from now.

Speaker 5 (56:40):
You don't know how calendars work. It's less than a
month away the trade deadlines. He said, end of July.
Usually it's the middle of July, but it's the end
of June. Now, it's like.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
That's the middle of middle of June.

Speaker 5 (56:55):
So it's less than a month away.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
I said a month and a half because he said
it was the end of July.

Speaker 5 (57:00):
You know, so the thirty first is a month and
a half. Okay, Okay, you're right, it's happen and a half.
Why do you have to wait till you're right? I said,
it's a long time. I said, you're right. No, it's
not a long time.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
It is.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
That's another great moment.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
All right back here on Patriots Unfiltered eight five five
Pats five hundred is the hotline podcast at Patriots dot com.
Is the email address uh ted in Las Vegas, right,
sin uh. He has a question about the preseason games.
He wants us to clarify whether or not he can
listen to preseason radio broadcasts in Las Vegas. Before last week, Scrimmaged,

(57:41):
the Patriots website said the radio broadcast was available on
a computer throughout the US, but I couldn't find a
link to get it. Today's website applies. Friday's radio broadcast
is only available in New England.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
That is correct.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
You can only get the preseason game in the States
in New England. So what I would suggest is move
to Germany or Brazil because you'll be able to listen
to it live. Because Germany and home countries.

Speaker 4 (58:07):
Yeah, quit to move for you can.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
Come to New England. Yeah, but unfortunately, per league rules,
we can't broadcast audio or the game itself outside of
New England because it's not our market. I think it's dumb.
It's like, really, we're protecting preseason, you know.

Speaker 8 (58:28):
Be able to listen to the team you want to
listen to.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
I agree, I agree, So I think they'll get there eventually,
but yes, for now, only in New England can you
listen to the game.

Speaker 4 (58:43):
I drove up the Pasadena wants to watch a Patriots
preseason game. That's how desperate I was some game.

Speaker 5 (58:50):
Why would it be in Pasadena and not where you.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
Were went to like a Patriots bar, Like it wasn't
streaming anywhere other than like a bar where a club that's.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
The big one San Diego, the Sonny mcclains, that's in LA.

Speaker 4 (59:03):
Yeah, that's well, there's.

Speaker 6 (59:03):
Two of them.

Speaker 8 (59:04):
Yeah, I was there. Yeah, I know that.

Speaker 4 (59:06):
I've only been sure.

Speaker 5 (59:09):
I always thought that was an l A thing.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
It is, it is, it is in La.

Speaker 4 (59:12):
Yeah, I've been to those that it's only characters.

Speaker 12 (59:15):
Yeah, it was only not even because you know, it
was working. But I was only able to go like
once or twice. But it was fun when I did get.

Speaker 4 (59:21):
It's so fun. I mean, like it's like nine am.

Speaker 3 (59:23):
The line would already be out the door, and you know,
usually i'd sit down and be like nine forty five
and everybody's settling in til you.

Speaker 4 (59:29):
Know, like I'm not gonna drink yet, And then by
like nine fifty five, I was like, well.

Speaker 6 (59:34):
That.

Speaker 3 (59:35):
But I love that timeframe though, because then you know
one o'clock one thirty, the first games are over.

Speaker 4 (59:39):
You you know, you have the rest of the day
to do what you need to do.

Speaker 12 (59:41):
It's not great when you were working and you have
to be there at six am. Call time does not ideal,
But woe is me?

Speaker 2 (59:49):
Uh Joel and Ottawa. I really think the first step
and having some sort of developmental program for NFL players
would be expand the practice roster, double it and allow
each team to develop their own players in their system.

Speaker 8 (59:59):
I'm not sure there's enough to double it.

Speaker 5 (01:00:02):
There's sixteen guys on them.

Speaker 4 (01:00:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
Is it controversial to just say there should just be
one league where the best of the best play and
either get into that league and you play good in
that league, or you.

Speaker 5 (01:00:14):
Know, I don't think that's controversial.

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
Seventeen different developmental leagues, just in case one random guy
might come through and help your team in ten years.

Speaker 5 (01:00:22):
I don't know. We were kind of talking about this
soft air. Maybe we shouldn't do this on air, but
every year we do, like the roster Raydownson. Every year
we're like, I don't know, like, did they have fifty
three got Like, I don't think it's that hard. Don't
I think that they're looking for talent? Yeah, I don't.
I think there's a shortage of you know, I think

(01:00:42):
you could chop off the bottom five guys of every
roster and just change them and teams would be completely
and totally unaffected.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
But isn't that the point of developmental league? Like some
guys are later.

Speaker 5 (01:00:52):
On there's not enough guys there had my point.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
There has to be a place for these guys to develop.

Speaker 5 (01:00:58):
Yeah, I think I just don't think there's enough talent.

Speaker 12 (01:01:00):
I think the way I look at it is like
more less like if we had thirty two players on
a practice squad and more like let's say, uh, I
just use him as an example, like Kiden Wallace.

Speaker 8 (01:01:13):
Let's say Kiden Wallace.

Speaker 12 (01:01:14):
Is just going to ride the bench just here and
he's not going to get any game opportunities whatsoever. But
that's a former third round pick that has some upside.
It has some potential if he was able to work
on his craft in a spring league and then hit
the ground running in a training camp setting, you know,
come into the could someone.

Speaker 8 (01:01:31):
Like that emerge?

Speaker 12 (01:01:32):
Not could a UDFA that's the second, you know, eighteenth
guy on the practice squad emerge. We're talking about like
the guys fifty through fifty three on an NFL roster,
maybe like somewhere in that range.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
Okay, uh Jordan and Marilyn writes in and wanted to
open up the door for an around the NFL conversation.
I know you guys keep your eyes around the league.
So what's something you've heard from other camps around the
NFL that has your interest piqued me? Personally, I have
three quick ones. Shador Sanders is fourth string on the Browns,
Caleb Williams frustration and drills, and Amika Ibuka lighting it

(01:02:09):
up in training camp, which I know my phrasing will
upset Paul. The Caleb Williams one that does intrigue me.

Speaker 5 (01:02:16):
I've heard nothing about any of that except for that
Shad Door Sanders. I saw a tweet he said that
he was fourth on the hurt shoulder. Shoulder. I never
heard anything.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
About the Bears offense. Even the new head coach has
come out and said, we don't look good.

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
I've seen some bad clips from their training camp which
could just be selectively brought in, and I'm sure you
could find some of those kind of plays with Patriots
camp too, but there have been a couple and I
don't know if there's something going on there. And I'm
just curious because Ben Johnson, I really liked him through
the initial process when he was hired, and you know,
it just seemed like he really had a focus. But
now I'm kind of thinking, like, this guy seems pretty

(01:02:54):
hard ass, and maybe this isn't going to be quite
as smooth as as he anticipated. Because think they've made
some great was in the off season. I mean, they
really did a great job on their offensive line. I
mean they're stacked at receiver. I mean, they've done everything
you could ask. They hired the hot new offensive coordinator
that everyone's but I saw one where they were trying
to pull like a double pass off and.

Speaker 4 (01:03:12):
It just looks like so clunky.

Speaker 12 (01:03:21):
I think the thing that I find interesting with Caleb
is that, like, this is an offense with Ben Johnson
where you need to color inside the lines, and he's
a quarterback that wants to color outside the lines, And like,
how do they find that? Like you could not find
a quarterback more different than Jared Goff than Caleb Williams.
Like that is they are total polar opposites of one another.

(01:03:43):
So how do they run the system that he was
running in Detroit or the quarterback that who inherently wants
to improvise, you know, Like so it's just kind of
like a weird in that a little.

Speaker 3 (01:03:54):
Bit of eccentric personalities too, with Caleb James and Ben Johnson.

Speaker 4 (01:03:57):
Is just a little different weird.

Speaker 5 (01:03:58):
I'm not sure I would agree with with that, Mike.
I would also just ask and I literally have not
seen any of it. I don't like envelope. It just
comes across the NFL network, does not go on my
TV at this time of year.

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
Because I was becoming more like Eric.

Speaker 5 (01:04:12):
No, I don't know, I'm like I'm right now, it's
just all about the Patriots training camp today. I don't
really care like training camp central nonsense. I just skip
right over that, gloss right over that. But I would
be curious with Caleb Williams. Is it he's not picking
up the offense and he's physically not playing well, he's
been inaccurate or does he have the other things which
I would be far more concerned about, where his reputation

(01:04:35):
of not being a great teammate, not being a great leader,
those things rearing their head. Okay, that's what I would
be worried about. Picking up a new system. To me,
that's he has the ability. Oh yeah, but there's questions
about his makeup and if this is related to that,
I'd be far more concerned if I were a Chicago fan.

Speaker 8 (01:04:55):
Yeah, I'm sorry.

Speaker 12 (01:04:56):
Based off the this press commence is probably like a
week or ten days old at this point that Fred
was talking about with Ben Johnson. But Ben Johnson admittedly
said that he was playing slow, like his processing speed was,
you know, was too slow and you know, just kind
of trying to figure out the offense. The other one
that I have heard the last couple of days, and

(01:05:17):
because we loved the demise of the New York Jets,
it just this just really I enjoyed this in every way,
shape or form, apparently Justin Fields is having an awful
training camp and is like three days in a row. Now,
I mean, look, practice stats are practice dats. Take them
for what they're worth. But obviously what they're reporting in
New York is not very good with Justin Fields.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
So what do we hear about Aaron Rodgers?

Speaker 8 (01:05:40):
Not much.

Speaker 12 (01:05:41):
I haven't heard a ton of either way with him,
you know. I think that from what I've seen, it's
like pretty similar to what he looked like last year
with the Jets, but not anything totally definitive. But I
definitely have heard the Caleb stuff, and I've heard that
Justin Fields has been a train wreck in New York.

Speaker 8 (01:05:58):
Those two things.

Speaker 3 (01:05:59):
We'll get the bills on Hard Knocks tonight, first episode,
So a little peak behind the scenes with the.

Speaker 4 (01:06:04):
Buffalo bills, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
Okay, Drew's in Connecticut. Hey, Drew, you got.

Speaker 5 (01:06:09):
Something I did hear about James Cook.

Speaker 4 (01:06:11):
That's a problem.

Speaker 5 (01:06:12):
I saw that in the news, that about his hold
in not practicing on all right, go ahead, Drew.

Speaker 14 (01:06:18):
Andrew, I just had two quick questions I wanted to
ask you guys about. I was curious, like how the
safety position is kind of panting out I know we
have like the box sacies with Dugger and Peppers, and
I know they're trying to figure out what the deep
safety to play the field, and I'm kind of wondering
what your guys just take on. Who's like kind of
leading that, like out of the players we have with

(01:06:41):
talking in the Muslim like, who's kind of standing out
is going to be the lead deep safety? And I
also want to ask you guys, how do you guys
see like fins room this camp and where does he
kind of ranked with the receiver group team tight Like
do you see him making the roster maybe or is
it like pulking Baker in front?

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
M all right, thanks Drew.

Speaker 3 (01:07:01):
Safety safety, I mean Dugger and Peppers and Jalen Hawkins
is the third guy that's generally speaking. There has been
some rotation, opportunities for Craig Woodson to get in there,
a little bit opportunities for Marcosteps to get in there.
But at this point I would say those are the
three guys and that's how it's it's gonna kind of work.

Speaker 8 (01:07:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:07:19):
I continue to wonder with the safeties, is there a
world where Dugger and Peppers aren't always on the field
together and in some of their three nickel corner you know,
three corner nickel maybe even dime packages. Is there two
safeties and they're kind of more complimentary than those two

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are to one another, And like is that Hawkins? Is
that Craig Woodson. I think they are experimenting with that
of seeing are we really at our best with two
box safety body types on the field at once, or
if we had a truth strong and free is that
are we a little bit more off.

Speaker 4 (01:07:59):
And reading between them lines?

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
I would say I think they like Pepper's better as
that sub linebacker position playing close to the to the
line of scrimmage.

Speaker 4 (01:08:06):
So I know Gregor Bernard has said some things about
Kyle Duger.

Speaker 3 (01:08:10):
Maybe you know, potentially losing some of his size of
his role.

Speaker 4 (01:08:13):
I haven't really seen that yet.

Speaker 3 (01:08:14):
To me, it just seems like they're still searching and
trying to give younger guys some opportunities. But something to
watch for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
John writes in he wants to know if we have
any updates on Terrell Williams how he's doing.

Speaker 12 (01:08:26):
Yeah, he was back at practice today. He was sitting
on a look like a trash can or something like
that that they had him sitting on but he was
back at practice today, so that's that's a good sign.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
Yeah, I think like if he has to go around
in a scooter, let him go around as a scooter, Like
there's no reason for him to be pushing it. You know.

Speaker 3 (01:08:47):
I'd like to hear from him when we talked to
him once after they put together that press conference over
Zoom when he wasn't around the team, But we haven't
spoken to him in person yet.

Speaker 4 (01:08:56):
Be interesting to see.

Speaker 3 (01:08:58):
I assume that's going to happen the next couple next
week or so, but see where he's at, what he's
got to say, how he's feeling.

Speaker 4 (01:09:03):
And you know, hear all the team talk.

Speaker 3 (01:09:05):
A lot about him and getting guys fired up, and
it sounds like he has that defensive edge to him.
I'm just like to kind of get a sense of
what that's like a little bit.

Speaker 4 (01:09:14):
We haven't been around him much.

Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
Jeff and Canada. Before training camp, I'd say the consensus
of all the hosts was eight or nine wins was
a plausible season. Now you've watched two weeks of practice
in person, so I'm wondering if any of you are
now doubting your earlier thoughts or maybe you're even more
confident from my perspective only hearing your descriptions because I
can't handle Paul's shows what what you're saying sounds early

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similar to the last five training camps really well, I.

Speaker 5 (01:09:42):
Would push back on that. Yeah, I think we all
feel it's been better, and I think we've said that. Yeah,
I think it hasn't been great, but it's been better
than what we've seen.

Speaker 1 (01:09:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:09:54):
Right, it's been competitive, you know, it's been competitive back
and forth with both sides. I just I'd love to
see more consistency out of the offense. I evn't talked
about last year, where we felt like defense was always
winning and you probably made you get a little too
high on the defense and maybe not low enough on
the offense.

Speaker 4 (01:10:12):
But this year, I feel both sides have had their moments.

Speaker 3 (01:10:15):
But again, my biggest question is about Drake and crunch
time been saying that all offseason and in the limited
that we've seen him, we haven't really seen much yet
from him, and that i'd say, I'm.

Speaker 4 (01:10:25):
A little bit a little bit discouraged about the offensive
line right now.

Speaker 3 (01:10:30):
I would agree, you know, I just I just wish
there was a couple more spots where I felt really
good and stable. I know there are going to be
some questions, but I have I have real questions about
that because that ties directly into Drake It at crunch
time and Max Crosby's coming on that field week one,
and that's going to be quite the interesting matchup, especially
if you've got two, maybe three rookies playing significant roles

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along the offensive line.

Speaker 4 (01:10:54):
It's a lot to handle.

Speaker 12 (01:10:55):
Yeah, this was right. What grinded my gears a little bit.
It wasn't so just now the two rookies thing, Uh,
why are we painting that as such a negative thing?
Like why, oh, two rookies, Like that's gonna I look
at that as an overwhelming positive, Like they have two
rookies that look like they can play and are significantly

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better than the guys that they're replacing, and yet we're
painting that as some sort of problem. Like I just
I guess I'm just like confused as to because that
question has been asked at press conferences, It's been talked
a lot about Paul's shows.

Speaker 8 (01:11:33):
Oh that's asking a lot out of two rookies.

Speaker 12 (01:11:35):
I was on the Morning Show the other day and
that was the when I brought them that up.

Speaker 8 (01:11:39):
That was the knee jerk reaction to it was rookies.

Speaker 12 (01:11:44):
Yeah, Whereas I look at it and say, they're elevating
the talent. Like the talent, these guys are better than
the guys that they were replacing.

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
Well, are they gonna have their bumps this year? Yeah?
But to me, if these are the two guys that
for the next number of years are going to be
the left side of your line, you know, let's get
through the bumps and develop these guys.

Speaker 4 (01:12:07):
I mean, not the only point, and I agree generally.

Speaker 3 (01:12:09):
I just I look at it specifically to week one,
when you have two rookies starting going against the best
pass rusher in the league.

Speaker 4 (01:12:14):
I I agree with the general point of Evan. It's
just you know, we all stress how important a good
start is this year.

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
Would you rather have a strange at left guard?

Speaker 3 (01:12:21):
No, but I think it's going to be a challenge
for anybody, and having a good September is pretty important
to this team. They have got an advantage of having
some home games that they want to take advantage of.
And you know, one or two plays where Max Crosby
does what Max Crosby does, regardless of who it is.

Speaker 4 (01:12:36):
Yeah, it could. It could change.

Speaker 18 (01:12:37):
The Max Crosby's in the world are going to get
their point though, If you have the opportunity to have
two guys, you know, be mainstays for your offensive line,
I'd rather get it started earlier.

Speaker 5 (01:12:50):
I'm not as convinced about you know, you would mention
you were a little disappointed in the offensive line. I
would agree. I've been a little disappointed so far. Doesn't
mean I'm going to be disappointed in October. And I
do feel Jared Wilson and Will Campbell are the best
options they have. We'll find out if those are good
enough options, but they are the best options they have.

(01:13:12):
I don't think there's much of an argument against that.

Speaker 3 (01:13:14):
Yeah, I mean i'd tie it too to just I
think when Morgan Moses was signed and we had him
in here and it was like stability, and it has
I'm just you know, it's been in and out in
But I'm more disappointed or more concerned about that than
i am about the left side.

Speaker 5 (01:13:29):
Yeah, because I'm disappointed about it all. It hasn't been great.

Speaker 12 (01:13:32):
The left side is two rookies with a ton of
upside and talent that, yeah, to Fred's point, are going
to take on some you know, take their bumps and
bruises along the way here, But you're building towards something.

Speaker 8 (01:13:44):
You're building towards those two guys.

Speaker 5 (01:13:46):
I like Fred's point being.

Speaker 12 (01:13:48):
Together for a while on that left side. Jared Wilson's
future might be at center in the long term, but regardless,
like he's going to be in in your five, and
so is Will Campbell. And for a team that had
the worst offensive line in football last year by every margin,
isn't it a good thing to be elevating the talent

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of that room and having but they have we'll see,
I'm ready to say that they have Like this is
defensive point is like you're going to have to go
through these bumps and bruises to find out.

Speaker 5 (01:14:22):
I think you might very well be talking this time
next year of those two guys moving over to the
right one spot. When the head coach talks about the
tackles versatility, okay.

Speaker 12 (01:14:33):
But or head a little or we could like actually
realize what he's talking about When he says versatility, he's
talking about versatility in terms of the different blocks that
he can make.

Speaker 5 (01:14:42):
So like it's one way I looked at it. That's
one one thing I brought up to Mike when we
were talking about today. I said, you can look at
that a number of different ways. You've decided what way
it is. I I don't know what he was, no one,
no one else, So I don't know what he was
talking about.

Speaker 12 (01:14:55):
That's fair, but I have and I'm not like trying
to come at you, but like I had, Barth got asked.
Bart asked us the very first question out of the
shoot yesterday. We were joking about it when he did
his hit on Felger and Maz was Felger making this
out to be that the versatility was about Will Campbell
being able to play guard right and as versative positional versatility.
I took it in the moment as versatility, as in,

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he can make a number of different blocks right, he
can down block, he can kick out, he can pull,
he can reach up to the second level, like those
different types of things.

Speaker 5 (01:15:26):
Can you pass protect?

Speaker 8 (01:15:28):
I don't know, we'll find out, but that's the.

Speaker 5 (01:15:30):
Only thing that matters to me about a left tackle.
You can give all those other stuff, that's great. If
he can't pass protect, he's going to be a guide.

Speaker 12 (01:15:37):
I'm just saying that I would much rather this than
what they had last year, and he too, And my
bigger concerns with this offensive line are actually about the
veterans on the offensive line, because the two young kids
are gonna they're gonna have their ebbs and flows, but
at least we're going somewhere with those two. Let's see,
you know, brad Berry, Morgan Moses, like, those guys have

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got to prove it to me more than the rookies
at this point.

Speaker 5 (01:16:03):
Yeah, fran I like you'll point the best.

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
Well, you know, I'll argue against myself. The only thing
you could argue against me is Okay, Will Campbell and
Jared Wilson are your best bets at left on the
left side. But who are they replacing?

Speaker 5 (01:16:19):
Yeah, so low against that, The bar was so low.

Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
If they didn't replace them, my god, the sky would
be falling. So yes, I I Wilson's you know a
surprise that he's come on so quickly, so well. But
if Will Campbell wasn't the left guard tackle from day
one like that would be a shock to me because
he had no competition. For one, There's no competition for him,

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and what very.

Speaker 5 (01:16:46):
Little competition they had was on the pup list, yea,
but even then, I don't think that there was much
of a competition.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
He's not he's not he's not.

Speaker 5 (01:16:54):
In my view, he's not really a competition, I agree with. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
Now, the thing, like so Campbell, I expected to see
what I'm seeing Wilson, I think is the encouraging thing
is that he has impressed everyone so quickly, not just
in his physical ability but his mental ability to pick
things up, which lends to you know what Evan's saying.
He'll probably end up at center eventually, but right now,

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if you're looking for your top five, you know, you
got to fit him in somewhere, and so Guard is
probably where he's going to start and then maybe eventually
take over for Bradbury.

Speaker 4 (01:17:30):
But no, he's one of the brightest.

Speaker 3 (01:17:33):
He's one of the brightest storylines along that offensive line
that we've had since Michael, when you came in and
instantly started to get it, and.

Speaker 4 (01:17:40):
There hasn't really been a lot of that. Well, Campbell's
the unique thing. He's the fourth overall pick. Now, that's
to me the best.

Speaker 2 (01:17:46):
If Cole Strange could all of a sudden like just
get it. Yeah, you know, I get he was definitely overdrafted.
He wasn't a first round talent. But if he could
just you know, do what Belichick thought he would be
to do and and be a good guard, and then
you move Wilson over to the center. Okay, we'll go

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and when you and then if we can you know,
manage Morgan Moses. That's where you thought this, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:18:15):
That's what I was thinking two weeks ago, Fred, and
I think unfortunately what we've seen is that ship I
think is sailing pretty quick with Strange, who's hanging on.

Speaker 4 (01:18:23):
By a thread right now.

Speaker 3 (01:18:24):
But I do wonder when this all kind of started
to happen that it never really was Wilson, you know,
probably to Evans point that he's hit a lot of
how much is on the plate of the center, that
they felt like brad Berry at center and Wilson at
left guard is better than now Wilson at center and
Strange left for now.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
Right, because you don't want to put too much on them.

Speaker 3 (01:18:44):
So but but I think we probably all agreed there's
probably a decent sized chance that he going to play
center this year. At some point that injuries or performance
are going to change, and they're going to say he's
played some games, it's not going.

Speaker 2 (01:18:55):
To be ideal. It's who plays left guard? Now, you know,
maybe it's.

Speaker 4 (01:19:00):
Maybe it is cool strange.

Speaker 12 (01:19:01):
I just feel like we're you know, if Will Campbell
and I know people have mixed reviews about Will Campbell
and you can everyone can have their their take on that.
But if Will Campbell and Jared Wilson were moving in
the other direction, as in a negative direction, that this
wasn't working out and they whiffed again on two offensive
linemen in the draft, like that would be a huge

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talking point. Now we've put it in the spin cycle
where now all of a sudden, having inexperience as the
talking point, and it's like to me that finding these
linemen in the draft is a huge positive.

Speaker 5 (01:19:37):
Well, it's at least I'm just going to take the
bold stance and waiting to see him play.

Speaker 2 (01:19:42):
I know, but at least at this point in camp,
we're not saying nobody's doing well, so we might as
well play the young guys. But like, the young guys
are obviously better than the older guys.

Speaker 5 (01:19:50):
But I don't think there's any argument. I don't think
you can argue with when they're going up.

Speaker 8 (01:19:53):
Against Milton Williams and Christian Barmore, like when Jared Wilson.

Speaker 5 (01:19:56):
I've seen some days where they look like they're non competitive.
I've seen some days where they look good.

Speaker 8 (01:20:00):
Okay, I've seen both.

Speaker 5 (01:20:03):
I think Fred's comments at the beginning of practice today
about a chase on to me is accurate.

Speaker 2 (01:20:10):
He's had some good rep.

Speaker 5 (01:20:11):
More often than not those guys on the edge of
given Will Campbell fits. So some days I like what
I see, some days I don't. I'm gonna wait to
see what happens over the balance of the season before
I just declare victory. That's all.

Speaker 8 (01:20:26):
I just like these guys here, and that will be.

Speaker 5 (01:20:28):
Tomorrow's practice, I know. But we're just gonna wait.

Speaker 2 (01:20:30):
And we got a very very good inducation last year
from the joints.

Speaker 5 (01:20:35):
I'm not expecting that. I'm not expecting a train wreck
like we saw last year because I don't think Washington
is anywhere near as talent as Philadelphia.

Speaker 12 (01:20:44):
I have a lot of reservations about the offensive line too,
so I'm not I'm just coming at it from the
point of like I've like I I've seen a lot
of young linemen come through here over the last handful
of years that have not been able to hold their
own in these practices, Like I don't think Colt ever
looked the part and at any point, and I think
Jared Wilson already looks better than cold Strange.

Speaker 5 (01:21:06):
I wouldn't argue with that. So I just that to
me is we're moving in the right direction. I think
col Strange is a threat away from being like a
cut he.

Speaker 3 (01:21:15):
Could and I think that, I mean Tavin's point, it's
not just about this year too, it's about like taking
the long term view. And we talked earlier about some
of the positions that maybe they couldn't quite get to
or they had contracts that they weren't ready to get
out of just yet.

Speaker 4 (01:21:29):
So it's about how does it all fit together next
year too.

Speaker 3 (01:21:32):
I mean, I'm sure that Mike Rabel would tell you
I wasn't going to turn this thing over into my
team in one year for.

Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
Not making the playoffs.

Speaker 5 (01:21:40):
For Rabel, it's year one, right, you know, right, And
that's where I would say, you know, just let it
unfold a little, yeah, Like, don't know, like everything has
to be about like the playoffs this year, you know.
But back to the way we started this withs like
things that grind your gears, like why does everybody have
to say, like, well, they have to do this and
they have to do that, you know, and they need
to be like I heard my guy yesterday, like they

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need to It's year two of Drake May and Mike
and Tony, Like, you have to have this level of
an offense. You have to be winning nine or ten
get like, no, you don't. You have to be improved, right,
show signs of improvement, be on the right path, be
a better team as the season goes on. I don't
know what that's gonna translate to, but I'm not gonna
just pull the plug on the whole thing if all

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of a sudden they only win six games or seven
games instead of eleven, Right, I'm not just gonna pencil
in wins and say, well, damn it, they underachieved if
they don't hit it.

Speaker 3 (01:22:32):
Yeah, I mean in Tevin's point too, like there's a
lot of excitement for me about what could possibly be
with with Campbell and Wilson, but there's also that feeling
on the other side with the veterans of like how
how many games and snaps.

Speaker 4 (01:22:44):
Can we squeeze out? Of Morgan Moses.

Speaker 3 (01:22:47):
How many snaps can we squeeze out of Garrett Bradberry
that you know.

Speaker 5 (01:22:50):
Straps are gonna squeeze out of Carlton Davis.

Speaker 4 (01:22:53):
Yeah, well that's that's that's a whole other side of
the ball.

Speaker 3 (01:22:56):
But at least with those guys, I feel like if
we see some downs that they still have enough talent
to feel like they're gonna improve. Whereas the right side
of the line are we tread and water a little bit?
And maybe is that why they're still kind of looking
like we still don't have the long term answer at
right tackle, no matter how much we like the potential
of the left side.

Speaker 18 (01:23:14):
Oh, long term, absolutely, that's the case's point the best.

Speaker 12 (01:23:19):
Yeah, I guess I'm we're coming full circle here, Like
what Paul said about like why does it have to
be at this certain level. I just feel like there's
this like everybody's in a rush to get this team
back into contention.

Speaker 8 (01:23:31):
And I get that.

Speaker 12 (01:23:32):
I get we all want them to win and be better,
like we all want that, but it's gonna take time
and it's a process. And the evaluation in my mind
of Campbell and Wilson is significantly better than the process
of like Cole Strange and Leyden Robinson and some of
the other guys that they've drafted over the last couple
of years where it was like right out of the gate,

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it was like, I don't know about this, Like I
don't know the Cole Strange first round is not looking
like that guy's the first round talent.

Speaker 2 (01:23:59):
You know.

Speaker 12 (01:23:59):
I don't have those reservations about these rookies, like we'll
see what they look like in real games and all
that kind of stuff, and they're going to have their lumps.
But like the whole offensive line, like I don't want
it to make it sound like I think they're all
a sudden going to have the Eagles offensive line like
pass protection.

Speaker 5 (01:24:15):
If you didn't say that pass.

Speaker 12 (01:24:16):
Protection one through five is is a concert All five
guys I think have pass protection concerns.

Speaker 5 (01:24:22):
And that's basically all I'm saying. You summed up my
whole argument right there.

Speaker 8 (01:24:26):
Right Like all five of them do run blocking.

Speaker 12 (01:24:28):
I actually think they're going to be pretty good at
m but really all of them are are coming at
it from a pass protection being the weaker part of
their games. So it's a question of can they mask it,
can they figure.

Speaker 3 (01:24:41):
It out, which is so connected to Drake's development and
some of those critical moments.

Speaker 2 (01:24:45):
Yep, let's get back to the hot line. Eight five
to five, pass five hundred. Jerry says he's on the
road to Foxborough. What's up, Jerry, Hello, Jerry, Hey.

Speaker 10 (01:24:55):
Guys, Yeah, hey lad, First time caller, long time listener.
I've been watching these guys for over fifty years. I
have seen the ugly, the bad, the good, and kind
of back to the ugly, and so I'm kind of
heartened that agree, uh whatever, It's going to take a while,

(01:25:19):
and I have the patience to stick with it. But
my question twofold one is hopefully when I'm up there,
because I'm on my way fulfilling a bucket list, headed
headed to Foxborough right now from Virginia to catch a game,
uh not real, I mean the preseason, but practice anyway.

(01:25:41):
And so so my thoughts were looking at the group
we've got now, having Josh back, I see with Diggs
and Douglas kind of a kind of that that middle
games wide open now if we just get somebody to
push it deep. Uh, and couple that with Trevion Henderson
as a James White kind of role hit those wheel routes.

(01:26:05):
I'm I'm pretty darned positive on where we're headed right now,
So just kind of your thoughts on that. And then lastly,
any chance you guys are going to be hanging around
where I can flat palms with y' all because I'd
love to meet you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:26:20):
Well you go. Are you going to be here tomorrow?

Speaker 10 (01:26:24):
Yeah, I'm com Yeah, I'm on the road right.

Speaker 5 (01:26:25):
Now to row after the show. We got to do
the show first row. Yeah, I'll be in the well,
I'll be in the media tent.

Speaker 2 (01:26:35):
All right, we'll walk round. But Jerry, thanks for calling
for the first time. I appreciate the call.

Speaker 12 (01:26:41):
Is his concern in terms of the past other than
the past protection that we just talked about. Enough, Yeah,
twenty yard plus yards down the field, Like who who's
threatening in that area of the field. That's probably why
I'm holding out hope for Javon Baker, because he's like
one of the few guys on the team that I
see that might have the talent, you know, the ability
to do that. But to go back to your thing, Fred,

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like you can only throw the ball within twenty yards
of the line of scrimmage, You're gonna be easy to defend.

Speaker 2 (01:27:07):
Yeah, we don't know how any of this is going
to work out, But would you say, right now, Drake
has more weapons than he did last year.

Speaker 8 (01:27:15):
Yeah, I mean even just digs the pontics.

Speaker 5 (01:27:17):
Yeah, yeah, I would say yes, I am.

Speaker 3 (01:27:19):
And plus Douglas has looked improved, and Booty looks like
he's continued to improve a little bit. And Kyle Williams
is a little bit of an unknown at this point.

Speaker 5 (01:27:28):
And I would say Diggs and Henderson look like parts
of the parts of the passing game that they didn't
have last year.

Speaker 2 (01:27:33):
Yeah, it just.

Speaker 12 (01:27:34):
Would be a bummer, Like he throws such a pretty
go ball that like to not have Drake's ability to
throw deep as part of the offense, not because of Drake,
but because they don't really have anybody.

Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
That if guys get opened deep, it'll be by scheme,
not just because somebody just is a flat burner and
beat their man.

Speaker 3 (01:27:52):
Yeah, you know, yeah, I think there's gonna be you know,
throw it up to mac hollins.

Speaker 4 (01:27:56):
That's going to be a play. I'm hoping that Booty
can can deliver some of.

Speaker 2 (01:27:59):
Those it for big things from mccollins.

Speaker 3 (01:28:02):
I think He's probably going to play a bigger role
than all of us anticipated.

Speaker 2 (01:28:05):
When the shredded shirt. Yeah drives quicker, Yeah drives quicker
and use it.

Speaker 8 (01:28:10):
Yeah, that would annoy me.

Speaker 4 (01:28:11):
I mean that that was funny.

Speaker 3 (01:28:13):
But I just thought everything he said yesterday about working
with the young guys, talking about trading plays, I'll be
the quarterback saying the plays between him and Digs, and
I didn't really expect Diggs to show as much leadership
and just everything that Digs has done.

Speaker 2 (01:28:28):
Is that one of the most pleasant surprises of CAMPCI
for me fact that from day one he's been out there.

Speaker 4 (01:28:33):
For me personally. Absolutely, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:28:35):
Yeah, but those two guys, I think I think those
two guys have really changed the dynamic of that room,
at least from what we see.

Speaker 4 (01:28:41):
We're not in the room.

Speaker 3 (01:28:42):
I can't tell you exactly, but the way that mac
Collins continues to work with.

Speaker 24 (01:28:45):
Those guys, you get like a six foot twelve year
old who throw his gas and he's throwing curve after
curve after curve and behind.

Speaker 8 (01:28:58):
Spinning it up there, Paul.

Speaker 3 (01:29:00):
But between Diggs, who's an NFL superstar, and you know
just how it just moves different and has the success
to a guy like Mac Collins who's kicked around the
league a little bit, who knows what it's like to
be on the bubble and try to have to earn
a role, and you know, successfully contributed last year to
a really good Bills team. Like I just think it's
a really good two veterans that they brought in that

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have helped some of these guys like Javon Baker have.

Speaker 4 (01:29:24):
A pretty solid couple of days here.

Speaker 3 (01:29:26):
Or you know, we'll see with Polk in a couple
of days as he gets on track if he's able
to do the same.

Speaker 4 (01:29:30):
But I think those guys that both had an impact already.

Speaker 2 (01:29:33):
Todd's in North Carolina.

Speaker 1 (01:29:34):
Hey Todd, Hey guys.

Speaker 13 (01:29:37):
Who was kind of a heated discussion earlier. I'm glad
that the things calm down. A couple of Colors statement.

Speaker 4 (01:29:41):
Before me, scary time.

Speaker 13 (01:29:43):
My question is not from your time covering the team,
but some of your time following the team. What year
does this feel the most like? For me? It's nineteen
ninety seven, Carols.

Speaker 7 (01:29:52):
First year.

Speaker 13 (01:29:53):
We kind of have a defense there, We got our QB,
some weapons, and hopefully Drake takes the next step. I'm
not going to say he's blent.

Speaker 5 (01:29:59):
So do you think this team reminds you of a
team coming off a Super Bowl appearance?

Speaker 7 (01:30:05):
Well, yeah, but.

Speaker 13 (01:30:07):
They only went ten and six and they got out
in the first round. I don't even I don't. I
think ten wins is an absolute ceiling for this year,
but it's possible, and I kind of like.

Speaker 5 (01:30:18):
And ten wins in ninety seven was a disappointment they
got They won eleven the previous year and went to
the Super Bowl. Letso was in his.

Speaker 17 (01:30:28):
Prime and Carol's first year.

Speaker 5 (01:30:30):
Let's was a two time pro bowler at that time.
Drake May is just trying to sort of get established.
I know, I'm going to see nineteen ninety four.

Speaker 3 (01:30:38):
I'm going to say, I got I believe in the coach,
We've got the quarterback.

Speaker 4 (01:30:41):
I feel good about where the defense is headed. I
don't know if they have enough overall.

Speaker 5 (01:30:46):
Ninety four would be you know, I think I understand
your your analogy, Mike.

Speaker 4 (01:30:50):
I like I appreciate that, Paul, because that's your year.

Speaker 5 (01:30:52):
I like that. I like the analogy, But you got
some of the pieces.

Speaker 4 (01:30:55):
You don't know how it's gonna all come together.

Speaker 5 (01:30:56):
I mean, they were they were a very very good
team in ninety six. Everybody knew it. Like it wasn't like,
oh if this goes right and that goes right. Everybody
knew they were good in ninety six. Everybody knew they
were good in ninety seven. Now everybody felt Denver was better,
and they were and they got lucky in ninety six
that the Broncos got knocked out. And yeah, you know,
I mean, even though I'm a Drew guide, I can

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admit that they would they wouldn't have gone to Denver
and won the AFC Championship game. But three bad year,
you know, bad foot, bad caddy.

Speaker 3 (01:31:26):
But you're starting to put the pieces into place, and
how's it all going to come together?

Speaker 4 (01:31:30):
That's the big question right now.

Speaker 12 (01:31:31):
I feel like I don't go that far back in
my memory bank, but like for my time covering the team,
like I still feel like this feels the most like
twenty one, where they had this big free agency class,
good to you know.

Speaker 8 (01:31:44):
The draft class.

Speaker 12 (01:31:44):
You have some players you're hopeful for, you have this
young quarterback that you're hopeful for but not proven yet,
and like that's how I still what is going on here?

Speaker 5 (01:31:56):
Okay, Well, you know we're in a toy store, so
people just can coming.

Speaker 6 (01:32:00):
Guy.

Speaker 5 (01:32:00):
I was in the middle of a.

Speaker 4 (01:32:01):
Take you hey, Matisa, what are you wearing?

Speaker 2 (01:32:06):
Matist Bowman here? You know him from the Madden simulation broadcast?
Why are you here?

Speaker 5 (01:32:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:32:13):
What the hell are you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:32:14):
I had to defend my honor after two years with
the new Patriots Unfiltered shirt.

Speaker 3 (01:32:20):
Okay, and there it is, Wow party in the back,
presented by the.

Speaker 2 (01:32:27):
Cameras on you. Yeah, and you've got Patriots Unfiltered in
the bat there you go. Okay, So these are the
new T shirts right in we'll do trivia. So you
o T shirts too? Is that right?

Speaker 11 (01:32:45):
Matis got five hundred of them, so we'll send him
out to everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:32:47):
Okay, all right?

Speaker 4 (01:32:48):
Can I.

Speaker 2 (01:32:50):
You can wear more than.

Speaker 4 (01:32:51):
One's not gonna shrink up on you. Okay, that's good.

Speaker 5 (01:32:54):
Yeah, there's that one over there medium.

Speaker 2 (01:32:57):
That's an Excel Excel would it be? Probably the medium? Now? No, no, no.

Speaker 5 (01:33:04):
I have cut down the largest though.

Speaker 3 (01:33:06):
Who could we maybe get a few of those and
go out into the crowd tomorrow perhaps and five hundred
like p U Pack who just called in, will give
them one?

Speaker 8 (01:33:15):
Five hundred is going to be now you give a
T shirt.

Speaker 2 (01:33:18):
Okay, all right, great, so now we finally have T shirts.
So when we do these things we can we can
fulfill them.

Speaker 4 (01:33:25):
Why don't you go you want to strut in front
of the camera. You're gonna do like the catwalk, you know?

Speaker 2 (01:33:31):
Yeah, okay, cool, excellent, put one on my desk for large.

Speaker 1 (01:33:35):
Got you.

Speaker 5 (01:33:36):
Sure you don't want an extra? It's okay for you
to make fun of me.

Speaker 2 (01:33:44):
I'm doing it the other sideway, I said, medium, medium, medium, Paul, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:33:49):
I heard you.

Speaker 2 (01:33:51):
What's the matter with you?

Speaker 4 (01:33:52):
Not a problem you're doing.

Speaker 2 (01:33:55):
Come on? I feel like you know, you got things
in your.

Speaker 4 (01:33:59):
Mind and his money on his mind.

Speaker 5 (01:34:02):
The car no work, like we got stuff to do.
Get it right?

Speaker 2 (01:34:06):
Okay, all right, well let's tickets. He just walks out.

Speaker 3 (01:34:13):
Well, had he had made work, I told him to
get out, okay, go ahead, okay, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:34:21):
So we got new T shirts.

Speaker 3 (01:34:23):
Finally, exciting final if you could wear something good quality,
it looked good.

Speaker 4 (01:34:27):
Yeah, it's on the show one or two.

Speaker 2 (01:34:29):
We should Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:34:30):
Yeah, that's all you.

Speaker 4 (01:34:31):
By by a total Evan doesn't want to represent.

Speaker 8 (01:34:35):
I don't wear logos.

Speaker 5 (01:34:37):
WHOA just vines exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:34:41):
He'll do like a million hits for nothing, but he
won't wear the logo of a sponsor.

Speaker 5 (01:34:46):
I don't need a logo on my chest.

Speaker 4 (01:34:48):
He's available, Yeah, he want Patriot Takes.

Speaker 2 (01:34:51):
David Main writes in I got a question for Evan
that can't wait until Catch twenty two. By the way,
when is Catch twenty two Thursday?

Speaker 8 (01:34:59):
Two to four Thursday? Too busy?

Speaker 2 (01:35:01):
I know that the newsletter that went out last week
at the wrong time.

Speaker 12 (01:35:05):
I know we're trying to figure out like a permanent
time with like you know, football schedule and everything. It's
trying to lock in Barth's like, you know, bar all
over the sports of mister popular. So it's hard to.

Speaker 3 (01:35:17):
You know, I just say real quick, I haven't never
seen a human being more like in their element than
Alex Barth figuring out who was on the white team
and who was on the blue team in the in
stadium and then and then he is out like the
worst way to running over to people, and then like
and then he posted and I was like, this is
what he came up with, and it was you couldn't
tell you who anybody was, but he was so locked

(01:35:38):
in on it, like he's got to get the team right,
And I'm like, Alex, you know if you just wait,
they're going to line up in the starting eleven and
then you just have it right there instead of trying to,
you know, navigate through all the lines.

Speaker 5 (01:35:46):
So I didn't get to witness that you guys were
you guys were too good to hang out with. Fred
and I.

Speaker 4 (01:35:53):
We just said we were up in the red level.

Speaker 5 (01:35:55):
You know you weren't.

Speaker 4 (01:35:56):
I don't know colors.

Speaker 5 (01:35:58):
And the only time that I see Alex maybe more
excited is when he's trying to determine whether or not
a field goal was.

Speaker 4 (01:36:04):
Going right, asking other people would you have? Would would
you have?

Speaker 5 (01:36:08):
Like they run over with baited breath to get the line,
and I'm just like, it's like watching it, it was
kind of hard to tell. It looked like you made it.
I don't know, maybe he didn't.

Speaker 8 (01:36:19):
A kicker competition is the best thing that's.

Speaker 2 (01:36:22):
I think we should video Barth and Evans sitting down
at one of those electric football games and the bickering
that would go on between the two of them playing
against each other.

Speaker 5 (01:36:32):
You're going to run that play against that?

Speaker 2 (01:36:33):
Fine, right? Good good luck. I think that would be that.

Speaker 8 (01:36:38):
He's going into a six month, Like, what are you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:36:40):
Not too long? Maybe just like a ten minute game.

Speaker 4 (01:36:43):
Bar it's like punting on second down. I just wanted
to see the punter. I just I couldn't wait. I
couldn't wait till fourth down.

Speaker 5 (01:36:48):
I'm like a little piece of felt.

Speaker 2 (01:36:50):
Yeah. I think that would be fun, the two of
them going at it at Electric Football. Anyway, this is
the question that David Mayne has. The other Dave Rabel
talked about not throwing to a receiver that's being covered
by a corner that's flat footed. What does that mean?

Speaker 3 (01:37:08):
Well, he was talking specifically the last play of the
scrimmage where Drake threw it to Alex Austin who was
just kind of standing there waiting on it rather than
bailing out, you know, if he was in dropping out
its own in which case, yeah, rifle it to him.
But if he's just standing flat footed, he's going to
see the ball throwing and go right to it and sitting.

Speaker 2 (01:37:26):
Yes, it doesn't mean that his feet are flat.

Speaker 4 (01:37:29):
No, No, he's got great arches arch support.

Speaker 5 (01:37:32):
My feet couldn't descript you very flat feet.

Speaker 2 (01:37:36):
You can't go in the army.

Speaker 5 (01:37:37):
Well that's what they said.

Speaker 4 (01:37:38):
But he'd do it if he does.

Speaker 5 (01:37:41):
As the doctor said to my mother when my mother
made that comment, well I keep him out of the
draft anyway, And the doctor said, well, they're not that flat.

Speaker 4 (01:37:50):
You know, because he could have gone to Nam.

Speaker 5 (01:37:52):
This guy, he wouldn't even know what we're talking about.
The draft. He's talking about the draft. One draft I
saw Will Campbell went.

Speaker 16 (01:38:00):
There.

Speaker 12 (01:38:01):
You know, I'm going to keep defending the wall with
Will Campbell and my guy.

Speaker 2 (01:38:05):
You should be good.

Speaker 5 (01:38:06):
I don't really, I don't care, and it's just to
be just to be clear, I just want to watch
them play. I'm not telling you that he can't justice practice.
I had a guy Friday night text me, one of
my buddies. Friday night. I was Will Campbell tonight. I
was like, it was practice. I don't like leave me alone.

(01:38:27):
I literally text, leave me alone.

Speaker 8 (01:38:29):
It's practice.

Speaker 2 (01:38:31):
Dave also says, how can I watch the preseason games
on TV? I live locally, but last year they weren't televised,
So I don't know what locally means to you. But
if you live in the Boston or Providence market.

Speaker 5 (01:38:42):
They're absolutely on TV.

Speaker 2 (01:38:44):
Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:38:47):
Four w b Z.

Speaker 2 (01:38:49):
Now if he's in Maine, but it's got to be
a yeah, yeah, they have to have some kind of affiliate.

Speaker 8 (01:38:56):
Technically New England, right, yeah, you're part of New England.

Speaker 2 (01:38:59):
Yeah, but it's the matter.

Speaker 5 (01:39:00):
Everybody's looking at me picking up the game.

Speaker 2 (01:39:02):
So uh check your local listings. As they say, let's
go to the phones. We'll start with Mark in Connecticut. Hey, Mark,
Hey guys, I was doing today, Hi, Mark, I was
waiting great.

Speaker 16 (01:39:21):
I was at a practice today and what I'd like
to see is I'd like to see get some run
with the with the top group. I like his explosiveness,
I like his foot work. I just like to see
them give him a chance with the top team.

Speaker 8 (01:39:37):
I'm with you, Mark, We're still holding down.

Speaker 12 (01:39:40):
We still have property on Chisholm Island, like okay, he's
a little little shack there, and we have his little
little house on larryon Larison Island.

Speaker 5 (01:39:50):
More has he I've seen more from Larison has here
reps No, okay, so we're not going to see more.
I think that thank you for being honest.

Speaker 12 (01:40:02):
Looks great against there. I think he's I think he's
got great like his he's got all of the makings
of a of a McDaniel slot. He's got the quickness,
he's got the jitterbug, he's got the first level separation, like, he's.

Speaker 8 (01:40:15):
Got all of those tools.

Speaker 12 (01:40:17):
But like a lot of these guys that played that
role over the years, even here, like it might take
a few years for it to click. If it's going
to click, Like, I don't think he's one of those
guys that's going to contribute as a rookie. It might
be more like an Edelman Welker type of track where
he's on the practice squad. He's a fringe roster player.
Troy Right, it takes the year or two, but then

(01:40:38):
all of a sudden, the game rounds out and he
gets a little bit bigger and a little bit faster
and boom.

Speaker 2 (01:40:43):
Ye Anthony Boston, what's up, Anthony?

Speaker 8 (01:40:47):
The drop in the insane in practice? That's not good.

Speaker 25 (01:40:50):
Anthony warn that he got injured in the scrimage. But
I don't think he's seen any fields this game up.
And it's really weird considering johsh for Daniels coming in,
he had a really productive season with them. I just
wanted to know about that.

Speaker 5 (01:41:05):
He's he's he's.

Speaker 2 (01:41:07):
Had some reps. Reps Ken Kendrick not a lot, a lot, okay,
when he's called.

Speaker 5 (01:41:15):
But I agree with Anthony, I don't. I've been a
little surprised that he hasn't gotten really many front line reps.
He's been with the two.

Speaker 25 (01:41:22):
Throughout the trade block with Ugger and Strange, and I
think he could be gone.

Speaker 12 (01:41:26):
So yeah, I think that he continues to when he
does practice. He hasn't been practicing the line what is
the package with trading? He's saying, Dugger and Strange and
Born you could get something for the hot names right
now on the trade block. But with Kendrick Bourne, every
time that he has practiced, it just feels like he's
with a group that he's better than, Like, you know,

(01:41:47):
like he's with like the Chisholms and the h you know,
Baker Polk, John Giles, Like he's with that group, and
you just keep looking over on that side of the
field of the practice fields with Josh Dobbs, and like
Kenrickbourn's over there.

Speaker 2 (01:42:02):
No, I agree with that he hasn't been running with
the ones, but like when he does get thrown his way,
he looks pretty good.

Speaker 3 (01:42:08):
Saw a couple of those early in camp. I mean,
I Phil lately he's tapered off. I haven't seen many
of those lately.

Speaker 5 (01:42:14):
But I can't decide. If they just know what he is,
then they have a thought in mind for him, yep.
Or he's just going, he's on his way out, he's out. Yeah,
it's two diametrically opposite things. But I don't he has
not gotten any significant reps. And I agree with Evan.
When he's playing, he's playing with guys that he should

(01:42:35):
be dominating.

Speaker 12 (01:42:37):
He just looks out of place, Like I'm Mike Kenner
bourn as an NFL receiver. I'm not sure these guys
he's playing with their NFL players.

Speaker 5 (01:42:43):
And more importantly, going against yeah, right right, Like it's secondary,
you know, guys that are not going to end up
being in the league. He should be getting open against those.

Speaker 3 (01:42:52):
Guys eight three, nine with a dash of thirteen and
we'll see about eighty.

Speaker 4 (01:42:57):
And that's to me, that's what you're probably going in
the season.

Speaker 2 (01:43:00):
And with over there, he's like Bill Belichick.

Speaker 8 (01:43:04):
Phill is the numbers guy.

Speaker 2 (01:43:05):
Question for Evan and Paul, how special do you guys
feel being Onduce's training camp wrap up? There you go.
You've gone from keeping track of Belichick's hoodies to having
your own show. You've passed up Paul and he's been
there for decades. But seriously, facts, I'll be yes the
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Speaker 4 (01:44:02):
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gonna get down there? Hairful fun.

Speaker 12 (01:44:09):
I'm looking forward to the food the most I've heard
the restaurants down there apparently top notch.

Speaker 2 (01:44:16):
Josh in Atlanta. Everyone take a page out of Evans's
book and allow the young lineman to marinate for a
few months before making any sweeping proclamations.

Speaker 5 (01:44:27):
That's that's Fred's book, and that's Paul's book.

Speaker 2 (01:44:29):
I watched Barb give some valuable Will Campbell inside a
ninety eight point five yesterday just for the fear mongering
Felger to respond. So the kid isn't ready to be
in an NFL tackle. It's the first week of August
and we're talking about a twenty one year old first
round pick that was the consensus best tackle in the draft.
Felger and his crony should be arrested for the damage

(01:44:49):
they've done to Boston Sports media.

Speaker 8 (01:44:51):
Okay, we can.

Speaker 5 (01:44:54):
That's Fred's take. If you're going to go through the
bumps and bruises, you might as well get the bumps
and bruises over as quickly as you can. Now, I
let them play and go through, you know, suffer through
the peaks and valleys. That's I think. Friend's right.

Speaker 8 (01:45:06):
I just like.

Speaker 12 (01:45:09):
I guess that is the piece of it to me
that as has been grinding my gears is like we're
not allowing And I get it, it's not the media's
job to allow grace, but like we're not like looking
at it that way, you know what I'm saying, Like
he was not going to look like Joe Thomas in
his first training camp, like he wasn't going to look
like a Hall of Fame left tackle ten practices into

(01:45:30):
his NFL career. I'm sure none of them did.

Speaker 5 (01:45:33):
Joe Thomas probably didn't.

Speaker 12 (01:45:35):
Right, So, like, I get that, it's not our job.
Our job is to tell you what's happening and to
react to what's happening right now.

Speaker 8 (01:45:40):
I get that, But.

Speaker 12 (01:45:42):
From a bigger picture sense, if we just take a
step back and stake a step out of the training
camp reaction roller coaster and just look at it and say,
you know, he has shown positives as well that make
me think that he can be an NFL left tackle,
and I'm willing to ride it out with some of

(01:46:03):
these other things instead of saying, you know, he's gotten
beat by it in past protection a couple of times
by Chase On and Kean White, so he can't play.
And I'm not saying everybody's saying that. I'm just that's
sort of where I'm at with it.

Speaker 5 (01:46:15):
From day one.

Speaker 2 (01:46:17):
Who do you who's this goes back poll? Because I don't, honestly,
I don't know the answer to this. Who's looked better?
Matt Light or Will Campbell Matt Light you think so
I could, I wouldn't know.

Speaker 5 (01:46:30):
I wouldn't know, and I and you know that I
don't think Matt Light was you know, great shakes. I
think he was a good left tackle, not great. But
I'm talking about from he step went in immediately and
showed that he was better than I mean again, it's
the same kind of deal. Will Campbell was showing that
he's better than the guys that were here. The Grant Williams,

(01:46:51):
the Greg Robinson, Randalls, those are the guys that were here.
Matt Light was better than them from day one, right,
just like Will Campbell's better than Badarian Lowe from day one.
I don't know what that means, yes, right? You know,
like one of the comments the email just used, he
was the consensus best tackle in the draft. That's a fact.

(01:47:11):
Does that mean he's good or is he the best
tackle and a bad tackle draft? I don't know. They
haven't played yet. Do you understand what I'm saying? Like,
telling me that a guy is the best tackle in
a draft means that he's better than potentially guys that stink,
or he's better than three guys that are also going
to go to the Hall of Fame with Will Campbell. Right,
those can mean drastically different things. We don't know. They

(01:47:33):
haven't played. The kid in Kansas City evidently has played
very well Josh Simmons, Right, I don't know if that
means anything. He hasn't played either. Maybe he stinks, but
we know that the left tackle that he's replacing kind
of stunk. He was kind of mid as they.

Speaker 8 (01:47:49):
Say, was Joe tun playing tackle out of a pinch,
But like.

Speaker 5 (01:47:52):
Right, no, no, no, I'm talking about the kid that
Joe had to replace because they bt Mattia and more
like all those injuries.

Speaker 12 (01:48:00):
I just I think that there was this expectation because
he was the fourth overall pick, that he was going
to come out of the gate and he was going
to be a stud from day one. And I think
he has had moments of really dominant run blocking, honestly.
But the pass protection we knew coming into this with
all the We talked about this guy for six months,

(01:48:21):
and we talked about the limitations and pass protection, the length,
and the issues that he had at the college level
with the inside moves and like all we talked about
all of this, and then he gets into his rookie
mini training camp and he has some wartz and everybody
is like, you know, freaking out about it.

Speaker 5 (01:48:36):
And it's like, that's a point that Mike Giardi was
making again on the hill. We have a lot of
good stuff going on the hill.

Speaker 12 (01:48:43):
He was exactly what I expected Will Campbell to look like.
He's exactly met expectations.

Speaker 5 (01:48:49):
But Mike actually used the same phrasing that you just
did yesterday when we were talking about it was like,
this is like you talk to a lot of these
people in the draft, and these are exactly the things
that they talked about with Wilke Amble. These are the
things that he struggled with and that there wasn't always
the requisite talent that made it made him pay for it.
But that inside move is not like something that just

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suddenly popped up. It's something that he had trouble with
at times. It didn't always cost him, but at times
he struggled with that.

Speaker 4 (01:49:18):
What was this like with Isaiah Win this first training camp?

Speaker 5 (01:49:22):
This, Well, Will Campbell's better than Isaiah Win.

Speaker 4 (01:49:24):
Because that was bad. I don't remember anything.

Speaker 5 (01:49:26):
It wasn't that he was bad, but I don't remember
him looking like he belonged to that hurt. Will Campbell
to me looks like I don't watch Will Campbell and say,
my god, you can't get by with him playing Isaiah Win.
You ask Fred I had concerned about him and injuries.
He was too small well Detour's achilles. In the preseason.
In the practice field, he was not anything great.

Speaker 2 (01:49:50):
James Pettig were the most interesting Patriots fan of the world.
My words. I know running Drake is dangerous, but I
wonder does it make it safer in the long term
if he gets the runs in Games one and two,
just to get the film up and put oppositions on
the back foot, could the short term risk help with
long term line security. Blitz at your own risk would

(01:50:12):
not I think having.

Speaker 5 (01:50:13):
Wouldn't it the other way be just as valuable?

Speaker 2 (01:50:15):
Well, But I think having in the heads of defense
that this guy can take off at any time is
a good thing.

Speaker 5 (01:50:21):
That's his point. But I think you could also say,
I keep it under the vest right and then all
of a sudden you break it out when you need
it and you catch him off guard. But I think
you can make an argument both sides.

Speaker 12 (01:50:33):
I think he's showed enough as a rookie that people
know he's mobile.

Speaker 5 (01:50:36):
They're absolutely going to have to be prepared for that.

Speaker 4 (01:50:38):
I mean, that's my feeling right now.

Speaker 3 (01:50:39):
If I was going against him, keep him in the pocket,
don't let him scort out, make him read the field,
and make them deliver tight throws consistently, and until he
breaks out of that and shows he can.

Speaker 5 (01:50:48):
You know, like, if Jayden Daniels doesn't run but four
or five times over the first five weeks of the season,
do you think defensive coordinators.

Speaker 4 (01:50:57):
He's not running anymore.

Speaker 5 (01:50:58):
He's already established that he can run. And I think
Drake May has two.

Speaker 12 (01:51:02):
Certainly as a scrambler, like they didn't run him by
design a Ton last year, but as a scrambler absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:51:07):
To the defense of the emailer, he hasn't run in
Josh McDaniel's offense yet. So let's see what McDaniels has
in store for him.

Speaker 12 (01:51:14):
Yeah, I'm optimistic about that because McDaniels had a great
package for Cam Newton.

Speaker 4 (01:51:19):
Was in Miami right right that ft.

Speaker 12 (01:51:21):
I mean, the fact that we had never really seen
him do that and then he kind of just like
pulled like an option package out of his rear end
was like pretty impressive in twenty twenty, so I assume
it will be some similar things, like they're not going
to run Drake right up the gut like they were
doing with Cam Newton, but it was similar mechanics to it.

Speaker 2 (01:51:40):
Bryant in Denver has a big gripe with us at
the end of the show last week with Claire all
of a sudden, according to Paul, Bill Belichick is not
responsible for anything but five percent of the success of
the Patriots dynasty. Brady is responsible for ninety five percent. Then,
I couldn't believe that Evan showed his absolute ignorance by

(01:52:02):
bashing Tony Dungee and stating that he was one of
the worst NFL coaches. For the record, didn't say that
Don shul and Dan Marino were together for seventeen years
and never won a Super Bowl. Dan Marino was arguably
one of the best quarterbacks in history, and Shula is
arguably the best coach in history. Oh, by the way,
Marino had great players around him and didn't win.

Speaker 8 (01:52:23):
I don't understand what that.

Speaker 2 (01:52:24):
Oh by the way, Bill replaced Bledsoe with Brady, much
to the chagrin of fans like Paul, but only five
percent and for the record, John Gruden took Dungee's established
team and coasted to a Super Bowl over his old
team Oakland, which he knew implicitly. I get it. Paul's
new stick is to be counter and controversial because Evan
and Duce are more conciliatory and he's trying to spice

(01:52:45):
up the show. But she's Paul, get back to Paul
and leave the don Imus stephen A. Smith crap alone.

Speaker 8 (01:52:51):
It's not your style, yeah, Paul, So can I attack
some of this?

Speaker 2 (01:52:55):
Sure? Absolutely?

Speaker 8 (01:52:57):
Why rest of.

Speaker 5 (01:52:57):
All, don't be silly and take the fun back and
forth that I had with Claire ninety five to five
as being serious. So I'll just say I was being sarcastic.
But you're trying to tell me that suggesting that Brady
had more to do with the success than Belichick is
like a stephen A. Smith controversial hot take that that's

(01:53:22):
what I'm trying to do. I think that Brady was
more vital to the success than Belichick was. I think
time has sort of proven that. I think it's kind
of a fact.

Speaker 1 (01:53:31):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (01:53:32):
Like I don't think that that's a hot take at all.
I don't. I'm not trying to be controversial. I'm not
trying to be counter with Mike and Evan. Like one
guy left won a title without the coach. The coach
got to continue to coach without Brady In won four games.

Speaker 2 (01:53:48):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (01:53:49):
I don't really think that that's all overly controversial. That's
what happened.

Speaker 2 (01:53:52):
YEP.

Speaker 5 (01:53:54):
I was long on the I thought it was a
little bit more Belichick than Brady Camp than I was
proven wrong. Then I had a change. What are you
going to do? And by the way, John John Schuler,
by the way, one of the more overrated coaches in
all of sport, not just the NFL.

Speaker 2 (01:54:11):
Wow, there you go, and I like it too.

Speaker 5 (01:54:14):
And a terrible defense, by the way, Miami had, Like
I know, they had great receivers and Marino threw the
ball over the place. Terrible defenses they had. When did
they have the seventies?

Speaker 2 (01:54:25):
Yeah? Yeah, Okay, Well I was going to say something.
I forgot what it was.

Speaker 5 (01:54:31):
I must have been vital.

Speaker 2 (01:54:32):
Let's go to Jason and Foxborough on the hotline. What's up, Jason,
Jason and Chiva.

Speaker 7 (01:54:38):
I happen to be in Foxboro.

Speaker 13 (01:54:40):
Oh nice, brought the kid down, thought.

Speaker 5 (01:54:43):
Chivas name, So you're all the way from Japan. He's
in Foxborough.

Speaker 7 (01:54:50):
No, no, no, I live in uh I live in New Hampshire.

Speaker 1 (01:54:54):
Oh now, I see.

Speaker 7 (01:54:57):
So we just kids, finally old enough. I kind of
appreciate practice. Not a ton a lot of running around,
a lot of bothering people, but I got a lot
out of it. Got a little way from deuce, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:55:11):
Oh yeah, that's me, a little one.

Speaker 7 (01:55:15):
Told you didn't use my picture in the contest.

Speaker 17 (01:55:17):
I sent that one in.

Speaker 7 (01:55:19):
Am I that ugly?

Speaker 4 (01:55:21):
That's anice question?

Speaker 5 (01:55:23):
They we'll do it in round two.

Speaker 7 (01:55:26):
All right, all right, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:55:29):
Well you haven't called it a long time, so I
don't know if people, you know, our more recent viewers'll
know who you are. But now that you've called in
the next round, we'll make sure you better send that
in again, because I don't know if she got all
of them.

Speaker 7 (01:55:45):
It was in my my wife's mother's front yard in
in Japan, in conadal We can go back every year, okay,
But all right, you got that going for it to
me more of.

Speaker 16 (01:55:57):
You, yep.

Speaker 2 (01:55:59):
Okay, So everyone listen to Jason's voice, picture what he
looks like, and he'll be in the next round. Thanks
for the call, Jason, appreciate it, Jason and Chiba just
to live in Japan. He actually taught English in Japan.

Speaker 5 (01:56:14):
Left hand stop that correct?

Speaker 2 (01:56:15):
Did I get that right?

Speaker 5 (01:56:16):
Paul Japan?

Speaker 2 (01:56:17):
Yeah, but didn't he teach English the kids?

Speaker 5 (01:56:20):
It sounds sounds vaguely you know me, sounds vaguely familiar.

Speaker 2 (01:56:24):
He was on the phone.

Speaker 4 (01:56:25):
But I don't think I've heard of.

Speaker 3 (01:56:27):
It's nicely Wait today we get that when we walked
through the crowd and due we did.

Speaker 8 (01:56:31):
Yeah, I don't know who it is. Yeah, well, like.

Speaker 4 (01:56:34):
I signed Clean Up Podcast.

Speaker 12 (01:56:37):
You know, like nobody wants to talk to mege.

Speaker 4 (01:56:41):
They think you're going to drop. Well, if you can
tell me what cover three is.

Speaker 3 (01:56:45):
But I signed Dennis the International Fan of the Year
last year, I signed his International Fan of the your
jersey pond. He wants to get you to sign it too,
So maybe tomorrow you can head over there with a
sharpie and pp on a jersey so we can frame it,
which is his plan.

Speaker 8 (01:56:59):
So wants that is that your signature?

Speaker 26 (01:57:02):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:57:02):
I usually just write the name.

Speaker 2 (01:57:03):
Well, think about Paul Paul as when he does go
out to the ninety it's the public that we have
security with him.

Speaker 4 (01:57:13):
This guy, you got to hear things, Michael. They back
from I'm just coming bearing a Diepetsy, like, all right,
come on over.

Speaker 26 (01:57:23):
I'm bearing a Yes you may, you may approach mister Yes,
what's just it?

Speaker 4 (01:57:33):
My child father Fred?

Speaker 2 (01:57:37):
That gives me an idea inspiration for a sitcom of
a podcast like us for a sports team, and like,
you know, if you take it to the absurd, like,
how would it be right?

Speaker 1 (01:57:52):
Right?

Speaker 14 (01:57:52):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:57:52):
Groupie? Yeah, going on the road, it's crazy, groupie.

Speaker 5 (01:57:58):
You know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 8 (01:58:00):
Don't get me.

Speaker 5 (01:58:02):
I don't know your story.

Speaker 8 (01:58:04):
There's no story.

Speaker 4 (01:58:05):
We'll talk offline. I just can't hear this one.

Speaker 8 (01:58:08):
No Campbell, unbelievable.

Speaker 12 (01:58:16):
You guys, there's other people that are bad influences on
the road and it's not me.

Speaker 5 (01:58:24):
Alright, start in trouble slinging the mud.

Speaker 2 (01:58:27):
Well, listen tomorrow live broadcast high above the practice fields
here at your Lett Stadium for the joint practice against
the Commanders. Be there, tune in. We'll tell you everything
we see and you'll see some stuff too, as much

(01:58:47):
as we can show you. Uh So, that'll be fun
tomorrow and then what do we we have a wrap
up show afterwards?

Speaker 4 (01:58:53):
Wrap up back on you Thursday. Some wrap up thoughts
on game Friday.

Speaker 2 (01:58:57):
Yep, Yeprady Statue. It's a big week. Brady Statue six
o'clock on Friday, six pm Eastern time.

Speaker 5 (01:59:05):
And we have to wait for that to end to
start the pregame show.

Speaker 1 (01:59:09):
Sorry, bear with us.

Speaker 5 (01:59:10):
We're not going to have a concrete starting time for
the pregame show on Friday.

Speaker 12 (01:59:15):
Games will be at the Brady Statue unveiling. I'm looking
forward to it. It's gonna be fun.

Speaker 8 (01:59:20):
Takes some picks.

Speaker 2 (01:59:21):
I'll wait until everyone lives and I'll go out and
look at it. I don't need to be there with
the crowd.

Speaker 4 (01:59:25):
You need a quiet moment with it.

Speaker 2 (01:59:26):
Yeah, talk to the statue.

Speaker 5 (01:59:28):
Yeah, Tom, they don't understand greatness like us.

Speaker 2 (01:59:31):
Tom.

Speaker 4 (01:59:32):
Don't kiss the statue. Fred, you have to.

Speaker 5 (01:59:34):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2 (01:59:35):
Yeah, all right. That's gonna be it for this edition
of Patriots Unfiltered. Thanks for watching. We will see you
tomorrow morning nine forty five. Be there.

Speaker 4 (01:59:47):
Hey, this is Deuce. Thanks for tuning into the show.

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