Patriots Unfiltered 8/7: Key Takeaways and Observations from Joint Practice, Preseason Game 1 Preview

Tune-in as we give our takes on the Patriots joint practice with the Washington Commanders. We talk about the biggest plays, standout players, and share our overall thoughts on the team's performance. We discuss the star-studded guest list at the joint practice and the atmosphere as we head into the preseason. Plus, we what the first preseason game may look like including playing time, scheme and more!

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or we could like actually realize what he's talking about.
When he says versatility, he's talking about versatility in terms
of the different blocks that he can make.

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Speaker 4 (01:45):
Welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Thursday here at Let's Stadium,
and I'm gonna see my T shirt available in the
pro shop. Yeah uh, it's Thursday here at Chilet's Stadium
and we are still talking about yesterday's joint practice with
the Commanders. It was, I think, a good day for

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the Patriots.

Speaker 7 (02:07):
What's this folder he's got going on right here? Yea?

Speaker 6 (02:10):
I brought my further, I brought my father today to
old school Patriots little I'm allowed to have this, but
it has all of my practice notes. So I thought
it maybe if we choose to look back at some
of the practices. I can consult my notes and.

Speaker 4 (02:19):
Tell you what I had, all right, yes, but we'll.

Speaker 7 (02:21):
Be making fun of them. I brought my notebook for
the same reason.

Speaker 4 (02:24):
We'll be talking about yesterday's joint. We'll be looking ahead
to tomorrow's preseason game as well as the Brady statue
one veiling at six pm live on Patriots dot Com.
There was a little snippet of a video that was
released on Patriots dot Com of the arrival of the statue.

(02:44):
Came in the dead of night a couple of nights ago.
I can't really see much, can't really see much, but
it's here. For the statue was here, so we're excited
about that. And Tom Brady will be here as well.
Alex is here, Duce is here, Evan's here, Paul's here,
I'm here, Matt's in the booth, and this is Patriot's

(03:06):
unfiltered Let's.

Speaker 9 (03:07):
Go, Let's let's go, let's go.

Speaker 4 (03:09):
All right, So I know, you know, we thought you
guys had to wrap up of the practice yesterday. So
if you haven't already seen that, that is out there,
that video. But you know, as a as a larger group,
our first opportunity to talk about what we saw yesterday,
and I my thing is, just don't make it look

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like last year against the Eagles, and they job. The
job was a comp box checked, Yes, box checked.

Speaker 9 (03:36):
Yeah, really fun competitive joint practice.

Speaker 6 (03:40):
Thinking back to some of the ones that we've watched
over the years, and some of those they had flashes
here and there, but it didn't feel like a great practice.
It felt like, yeah, they were terrible, but that last
period they were pretty good.

Speaker 9 (03:51):
Those were I remember.

Speaker 6 (03:51):
That was kind of my takeaway from the Raiders this one.
It felt like, you know, there certainly wasn't all perfect. There's,
you know, some definite things to work on, but overall,
it felt like a competitive practice back and forth and
two teams that seemed, at least on the field pretty
evenly matched. And I think that's a great sign for
a team like the Patriots who were trying to bounce
back from back to back four win seasons.

Speaker 7 (04:11):
Yep, well go ahead, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (04:15):
I think now that I've slept on it a little bit,
like I came down from my cloud nine yesterday after
the practice because I was very excited about what I saw,
and now you put it in a little bit more perspective,
like we are talking about practice like this was not
you know, they I haven't won any games yet, but
I think what you saw was highly encouraging. I watched

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more of the offense, just watch more of the defense,
but offensively up until the very very end when Drake
threw that pick, he was kind of dealing like he
really had his way with the Commander's defense. And I
thought the offensive line held its own and he had
some clean pockets and I was able to move the
ball down the field. I thought some of the Josh
McDaniels elements of the offense were clicking and work, and

(05:00):
you saw the scheme creating open receivers and things of
that nature as well. So I was highly encouraged by
what I saw. And I think the biggest thing is
the offensive line, the fact that they went out there and.

Speaker 4 (05:14):
They were able to exit.

Speaker 5 (05:15):
They were a competent yeah, And I thought Will Campbell
and Jared Wilson showed well. So overall, I have hard
not to be pretty optimistic about what you saw.

Speaker 7 (05:25):
A lot of energy. That was the thing I kept
coming back to. I just felt like they practiced at
a different tempo than what we've seen the recent years.
In those joint practices, so I thought there was a
lot to be encouraged about. I agree with Mike and Evan.
You know, I'm not getting lost here, and I don't
think they quote won the practice, you know, I just
think they really competed well. I thought both sides sort

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of had periods where they looked good, and both sides
had periods where the opponent made them look bad. And
I think that's what you're looking for. You're looking to
learn and get better now. It's it's going to be
important for them to do the same thing next week
when they go to Minnesota. Stack them, as they tell
us all the time, don't just say well we had

(06:08):
that good day on Wednesday, Yeah, and then you know,
the following week in Minnesota it took a step back.
I think you'll be up a little bit in weight
class with the Vikings. I think that's a more talented roster.
But I agree with Evan about the offense. I was
much more impressed with the offense than I was the defense.
I thought that there were periods of time where the

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rhythm just kind of fell into place. It was Pop
Douglas quick getting ope for really quick. It's Kayshaun Boody
on the sideline. They get some back shoulder plays the
tight ends, both of them, Henry and Hooper making plays
down the seam. I just thought there was a lot
to be encouraged by With Drake May I wasn't as

(06:50):
happy with the protection as some others were, but it's
certainly I would think it's more than fair. The way
you guys described it, it was competent and last year, right,
and I don't see any way that you're going to
get back to last year. And you know, I don't
see any way that's going to be the case.

Speaker 4 (07:06):
May stats as they were. There was even a perfect
pass to Henderson in the corner of the end zone
that was dropped that would have added to the touchdown.

Speaker 5 (07:14):
Yeah, and Pop dropped an open crosser too early on
in the practice that was right on his hands also,
So I I gotta be honest, Like, I didn't really
feel like the Commander's defense made very many plays outside
of the Wagner pick.

Speaker 7 (07:26):
Like I think the Patriots offense was good.

Speaker 4 (07:29):
The Wagon pick was tipped at the line. Now that's
on the court, but Bobby Wagner, Yeah, Okay.

Speaker 5 (07:36):
Tanner still caught the pick off the ricochet. But up
until that point, I kind of thought Drake made was
doing what he what he wanted out there with the
Commander's defense, and that was I haven't seen that in
a Patriots joint practice in quite some time.

Speaker 7 (07:53):
In real real quick. Alex hit interested to see what
you thought of the the atmosphere too, But Fred, you
and I always kind of joke around about like how
many people here? That was kind of an old school crowd. Yes,
oh yeah, yes, yesterday there was you know, some people
estimated about thirteen thousand people. There were a lot of
people up on the ramps, and they were into the practice.

(08:14):
I took some time, Fred, to actually mix in with
the with the fonds and your people.

Speaker 4 (08:21):
You needed to get something.

Speaker 7 (08:22):
No. I watched. I watched one of the periods I had.
I had a friend from out of town here. It was.
It was frustrating because they came by with big plates
and I was like, oh, that looks. But I watched
one of the periods in the red zone from down
and you could feel like listening to conversations A couple
of younger guys are behind me, like talking about digs

(08:42):
and booty and how good they've been and just there
just seemed to be an overall enthusiasm and excitement that
I haven't really heard in the last couple of years.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
Absolutely, they're just even getting here.

Speaker 10 (08:52):
I got here probably twenty minutes later than I wanted to,
even before they opened gates.

Speaker 7 (08:57):
Because you were digs.

Speaker 4 (08:58):
Because he was late to No, I was not.

Speaker 10 (09:00):
I'd probably be riding in a cooler whip if I
was with him, just me and my raft.

Speaker 11 (09:07):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (09:07):
I think it might be back on. I don't know,
there's there. I don't know, just how can you keep up?

Speaker 10 (09:13):
But it felt like a game day driving in here yesterday,
and just like you said, seeing the people on the rafters,
I certainly haven't seen a training camp that busy since
I started working here, maybe back to the tom days
when I was covering the team externally. But just like
there was an infectious energy here yesterday on and off
the field, like the players were bringing it, and then

(09:33):
the fans, like there's a tangible excitement for better for
worse with this team this year, and then when they
perform like they did, it's hard.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
Like you said, Evan, you came down. I don't think
I've come down yet.

Speaker 10 (09:45):
Like I'm more encouraged by what I've seen all camp,
especially yesterday, than I ever have been working here, especially
on the offensive side, And like Booty's catch with Latimore
in coverage yesterday was like the moment where I was like, Okay,
like these guys. I think Mac Collins had a really
good quote in one of his availabilities where this is
the first receiver group he's ever been in where everyone's

(10:08):
really really competing. There's not like a couple guys, and
then there's the lower tiers, like everyone is fighting for
a job, and like.

Speaker 4 (10:16):
You can take that a couple different ways, but I yes,
I've heard that choosing to.

Speaker 10 (10:20):
Take it in the way that like you have digs
and everyone else is really trying to cement a spot
on this team. I think coming into camp, don't you
didn't know where things were gonna land with Pop Douglas
and how he was gonna, I don't know, be viewed
at by the coaching staff. I think he's an absolute
lock after the performance I've seen. I think Booty's had

(10:42):
a good camp. Baker has kind of come out of nowhere.
For me, like there's just and then obviously you have digs,
you have the tight ends that are just gonna be
standards in this offense, and it's just so much more
exciting than at this point.

Speaker 4 (10:55):
Last year, you know, in the red zone. I heard
this from so Bundy. I haven't verified it that Austin
Hooper's stats last year were better than Travis Kelcey's in
the red zone.

Speaker 7 (11:09):
I believe what do you get for that? Just out
of curiosity, I'd be interested to the worst year of
his career as.

Speaker 5 (11:19):
A sneaky good year though, as.

Speaker 7 (11:21):
I think he's rock solid as a second.

Speaker 10 (11:24):
Our tight ends are just always the least of my problems.
Drake's comfort with both of those guys, and Hooper hasn't
even been practicing this whole time, he's been dealing with
an injury. He came in and instantly was like one
of Drake's go tos.

Speaker 5 (11:36):
Yeah, yeah, I think put it well, like about some
of the last couple of years at the joint practices
that we've been at, like the Eagles One aside Eagles
One was it was its.

Speaker 4 (11:44):
Own thing, like that was just the bottom of the bottom.

Speaker 7 (11:48):
Thank you for saying it for me.

Speaker 5 (11:50):
Yeah, the the last couple of years, like when we
were in Green Bay, it was like that DeVante Parker
catch like kinda made you feel better about the day.
But if we sort of took a step back, you
realized that, like the Packers kind of controlled practice. Yeah,
the Raiders in Las Vegas the same thing. DeVante Adams
just torching the Patriots defense and yeah, they had like
one really good drive towards the end of the practice.

(12:13):
But like overall the Raiders, this practice was far more even,
where like we didn't have to like pick, like cherry
picked those little moments.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
It was consolation prizes that we were looking for.

Speaker 7 (12:25):
We were cherry picking.

Speaker 5 (12:26):
We were saying, like, oh, well they had the Parker
caught the touchdown at the end, so we won practice.
You know, this was like much more of something that
was from start to finish. They they were able to
execute their offense, which was highly encouraging.

Speaker 4 (12:40):
We have to mention the fight, the big fight.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
To the memes are unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (12:45):
That Mike Rabel found himself in the middle of. But
the description that I heard that got me more jazz
than Rabel getting in there and getting bloodied was Will
Campbell's involvement.

Speaker 7 (13:00):
You know, that's not the direction I thought that was
so this is.

Speaker 4 (13:04):
The and you guys can correct me if you heard
something different. But my description that I heard was it
started with a Trevion Henderson.

Speaker 12 (13:13):
Let's pick up or the best part of the whole thing,
That's what I was. So, yeah, I don't know who.
I didn't hear who was on but anyway, whoever whoever
he picked up, he drove him to the ground and
they were tussling in the ground and that started a fight.
Will Campbell saw that he was the first one.

Speaker 9 (13:33):
In that's I was ready to die.

Speaker 4 (13:40):
And he hit the guy who was on top of
Henderson and then all hell broke clues. But I love
Will Campbell's It's in his blood. It really is, like
his instinct is get in there. Don't even think about it.

Speaker 10 (13:53):
I heard, and can't no way to confirm this because
unless you're in the I heard that, Like getting cut
was just like a straight from Campbell.

Speaker 9 (14:06):
I mean, what will happen?

Speaker 5 (14:07):
But my biggest takeaway from the whole thing was Travon Henderson,
Like Travon Henderson blocked the guy so well physically that
he got mad that he blocked him so well, and
it started a whole.

Speaker 4 (14:21):
Drove him to the ground, I can't understand you getting.

Speaker 7 (14:27):
And I think the first fight happened for the opposite reason.
I think Stevenson got knocked over and he took exception,
and I agree with Stevenson. We're not drilling guys to
the ground in these practices, and I think he got mad.
The next play I think was one of the one
of the fights and the blitz pick up. That's his reputation. Henderson,

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his running backs coaches name escapes me right now, said
that he's not just the best in blitz pick up.
He's not the best running back pass blocker. He's the
best pass protector in the draft. That's what he said.
In the country any position, he said, he's the best
blocker in the draft. And that's what you saw. It
was a safety. I think his name is Kwan Martin.

(15:12):
So that because I was looking, I had I had
the boys, you know, back behind the scenes. There's a
lot of people involved behind the scenes here, so I
had them to see if they could. We didn't have
a good look at it, but you can see Number
twenty is creeping to the line of scrimmage and he
comes at the snap. He's coming off the edge and
you see Henderson getting in position to hit him. I

(15:33):
don't see twenty four anywhere, so I know a lot
of people had assigned this because my immediate reaction with
von Miller was how could he possibly care enough at
a joint fact, at this stage of his career to
get a fight. That was my initial reaction. And I
didn't see him anywhere. The only time I saw him
was after the whole thing was over. He went over

(15:54):
to Rable and sort of gave him a pat in
the back. I don't know as if to say, maybe
like if sorry a cut, maybe Miller was involved in
him getting cut, or if he was like, you know,
this is nonsense. This shouldn't be happening. Sorry, you know,
sorry for our pardon it or whatever. I have no idea,
but I did see him go to Vrabel once, you know,
the sides had sort of separated. But I think I'm

(16:15):
not This is not a guarantee, but from what little
video I saw, twenty was the one who looked to
be engaged with Henderson, and Henderson buried him, and I
think that's what started it.

Speaker 4 (16:25):
Yeah, nice, and then Campbell, that's.

Speaker 7 (16:27):
What that's if you heard the way the Ohio States
coach talked about it. You would not be surprised, was
it Sean McVay.

Speaker 5 (16:35):
There was an NFL coach that said he's the best
blitz pick up pass protector he's ever seen coming out
of college. I forget which NFL.

Speaker 7 (16:43):
Let's go, Let's go, like Drake's never gonna get touched.

Speaker 5 (16:46):
But like I know, it's like a disaminutia thing of
the game.

Speaker 7 (16:50):
But like all Lachlan, I wanted to give him credit.

Speaker 5 (16:53):
Like he won't play on third down if he can't
do it. So like if you can't, if he can't
pick up blitzers and he can't as protect, he's not
going to be on the field. So the fact that
he can do that is going to allow them to
actually play him as much as we all want to see.

Speaker 4 (17:07):
Him play, and right from the get go, because like
Kevin Falk was good at it and James White got
really but they developed it. That's why he's.

Speaker 7 (17:16):
Goods had red shirt.

Speaker 5 (17:18):
Yeah, yeah, they all sat because of pass protection, not
because they weren't quick and not because they couldn't get open,
And it was because of pass protection. So if Traveon
Henderson can come in right away as a rookie and
pass protect as good as he did in college, where
there's like literally highlight reels of his college pass blocking, like.

Speaker 9 (17:36):
There is a weapon.

Speaker 7 (17:37):
Y go to YouTube and you can get some enjoyment
out of that. He buries guys. Yeah, then he's he's.

Speaker 4 (17:43):
Going to get a nice little present from Drake May
around Christmas time.

Speaker 5 (17:46):
I can tell you that he's a player, man. I
mean he's like, even though you though he dropped the
wheel route, like there's there, these linebackers are in torture
chambers trying to cover.

Speaker 7 (17:55):
I haven't seen anybody come close to covering him effectively yet.

Speaker 9 (18:00):
It's just darts.

Speaker 6 (18:00):
I mean, like I said a ten hundred times, he floats,
and the catches are great and the downfield stuff. But
I still think he's got You get a scene on
him and he's going to be gone. I mean, it's
just you see the acceleration with it.

Speaker 4 (18:11):
It's and so I know that all coaches, including Rabel,
they don't want to come out publicly and say, yeah,
I'm glad we got into a fight and I told
my guys to fight and all this stuff. But even
what Drake said, We're not going to back down to anybody,
And I'm sure today or whenever they're talking about it,
they're all, yeah, you.

Speaker 6 (18:31):
Know, yeah, well you know, I mean Pop Douglas talking
about it yesterday, you know, laughing about Rabel saying you
should have seen the other guy, Like to me, as
a player, you see your coach, and you already knew
Rabel's a tough guy who's played in the NFL.

Speaker 9 (18:42):
But I think this just helps bring the team together
even more.

Speaker 6 (18:45):
And I was going back to the Will Campbell he
the Will Campbell high school videos that we talked about
last week, Fred, which is that snarley attitude that Will
Campbell plays with, and it's all the talk we talked
about his you know, physical measurements and all that and
his experience. But I think that leadership element and that
a toughness from that left tackle positions.

Speaker 9 (19:02):
Is a is a nice part of the package with
Will cam.

Speaker 5 (19:04):
You gotta have that as an offensive lineman, like in
all seriousness, like the finishing and that attitude, like you
have to have that that that's like gotta be ingrained
in you to be like truly elite like all like
the really great lineman in the league.

Speaker 4 (19:18):
I mean, that's the way Mankins was he was so
soft spoken off the field, but in the in the
on the field, he just.

Speaker 9 (19:24):
Right in the nuts.

Speaker 7 (19:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (19:25):
You can see it though with Mankins, like you just
look at Mankins like that's a tough guy. But I would, like,
you know, I put out Chered Wilson, who it doesn't
really seem like that guy.

Speaker 9 (19:31):
I mean, I'm not saying this is the negative thing
with him.

Speaker 6 (19:33):
He just he comes off as a really athletic, cerebral guy,
more like Joe Toney, who excellent you know, probably maybe
Hall of Fame left guard.

Speaker 9 (19:41):
Not quite the Maller like edge that you see.

Speaker 6 (19:44):
With guys like you know, like Logan Mankins embodied so perfectly,
but a lot of ways to do it.

Speaker 10 (19:48):
You're right, it's like a funny like listening to Jared
Wilson and I also get this listening to Travion It's
like they're both such kind, nice, soft spoken guys really
are too intelligent and good heads on their shoulders, and
then especially so violent like on the field and physical.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
It's really funny the juxtaposition.

Speaker 7 (20:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (20:11):
So that's uh, yeah, that's that stuff.

Speaker 5 (20:14):
We're back talk.

Speaker 9 (20:17):
I just want to talk a little bit about the
defense because I felt a little on an island yesterday.

Speaker 5 (20:21):
Well, no, it was really funny because I think this
is the only one tired.

Speaker 9 (20:26):
Well it was me, Matt Doloff and and and so.

Speaker 7 (20:32):
Do the fun stuff.

Speaker 9 (20:34):
But it was good.

Speaker 6 (20:34):
It was good for me because you know, like like
I see what I see, and I you know, confident
in what I see. But it's always nice to just
you know, compare it a little bit to to what
you already saw as well.

Speaker 9 (20:42):
And I felt like we had you know, similar observations
and you know, just to highlight exact ERTs. That's an area.

Speaker 7 (20:50):
Of question for me.

Speaker 9 (20:52):
How are we going to be covering tight ends this year?

Speaker 6 (20:54):
You know, it's been we spent a lot of time
talking about Duggers and Peppers, and I think the thing
with both of them is, you know, what's great and
they're playing downhill and seaball get ball, but you know,
really pure coverage snaps against the linebacker we know who's
coming here week one, that's a part of the defense
right now that have a little bit of question about
how are they going to handle covering the really elite
tight ends that they're going to face. And you know,

(21:16):
another thing that I think Mike highlighted, well that that
maybe I downplayed. I did mention it, but you know,
just they lost the edge a couple of times, and
that's something that there was at least one run with
I think was Robinson that you were just like, oh,
he gone.

Speaker 9 (21:27):
So those are a couple of things to clean up.
But it did confirm the rest for me of you.

Speaker 6 (21:32):
Know, because I'm looking at the stats and I'm like,
Jane Daniels didn't throw a touchdown yesterday. He didn't throw
a touchdown on eleven on eleven, you know, so even
if you just look at that simple thing, like that's
a nice little thing for the defense to come out
of that day. There were a couple couple of passes
where they were headed for the end zone but disrupted
the timing good tight coverage. So there was definitely some
some struggles early on. But I think we both saw

(21:52):
it in a similar fashion that the defense improved as
the day went on, and.

Speaker 9 (21:55):
They gave Jaydan Daniels some problems, especially through the air.

Speaker 4 (21:58):
And they didn't throw a touchdown with our best well,
Davis was out there right, no.

Speaker 7 (22:03):
Two corners were out but Lawren too, that's a that's
a watchful. I thought the thing I was impressed with
was the pass rush. I thought that Barmore in particular,
but Harold andry To, I thought they had, you know,
a pretty constant presence. I did not see the struggles
for Jadon Daniels. I thought Jaden and Daniels was the
best player in the field yesterday, both teams. But the

(22:26):
thing I was most encouraged by was I thought consistently
they were getting penetration and getting into the backfield, and
we didn't see that a lot last year. I was
number one thing I came away in coverage.

Speaker 9 (22:37):
I'm surprised by this, Paul. Usually I see eyed eye
with you on just about everything. I did not see it.

Speaker 7 (22:42):
And I thought he was just so under control. I
was a little impressed with him. I thought he was
more of just kind of like an athlete who plays.
And now I'm looking at it and it's like he's
a quarterback.

Speaker 4 (22:50):
He was thirty years old.

Speaker 7 (22:52):
He's one year older than Drake. He is he's almost well,
he's one year older than let's get it right.

Speaker 9 (23:03):
There was a way to know, uh, thirty years old.

Speaker 4 (23:06):
I know he's not thirty kid.

Speaker 7 (23:07):
I looked at this, did I get this wrong. Well,
I'm pretty sure I looked at this on the face
he might it might be a year and eight months,
but like he's like, he's okay, so a year and
a half, Like I mean, is that really I mean
rounding up?

Speaker 4 (23:21):
But he had the college experience.

Speaker 7 (23:23):
The college experience absolutely, yeah, college for six years and
Drake was only in for three, right, that's absolutely true.

Speaker 5 (23:30):
He is his release and his accuracy or off the
charts good. Like he's got one of the quickest releases
of any quarterback. Just and he he did this at
his bro day, Like you just stand on a spot
and he can just he can just humt it from
any like just like normal pocket quarterback stuff. Like he's
definitely not just a runner like he's he's a complete player.

(23:52):
And I think it's his poise that stands out the
most to me, Like he doesn't really make any wrong
reads or bad decisions. And he's also calmbat there.

Speaker 4 (24:00):
That's what Paul said. He's under control.

Speaker 7 (24:02):
Yeah, he was really under control. Even the times where
like Barbo would flesh him and he would like start rolling,
he'd be just like because he knows he can. Yeah yeah, yeah,
And he did a couple of times were definitely there
are you know that's got a Simon McLaurin because Deepo
ain't good enough by himself.

Speaker 5 (24:23):
I read some of their their beat just to get
the perspective of what they saw at the practice, and uh,
you know, there are some tweets that are going around
that you know, are contradictory to what some of the
Patriots people are saying. Obviously, you know, you look at
it through your own team's lens, but all of them
across the board were saying, you know, Terry McLaurin, is

(24:44):
the leverage that he has is only going up in
his favor because it's this is what's happening in their
own practices too, is that the receivers can't get open.
And they came here to for the joint practice and
they couldn't get open against our guys and Carlon Davis
and Christian Zalez aren't even out there and they can't
get open. So everybody's like number one takeaway from Washington

(25:07):
was they need to get Terry McLaurin back in the fold.
Like there's just nothing more money, there's no like.

Speaker 4 (25:14):
Real, Yeah, they will be taking a step backwards this
year but getting back because they're not that good betting.
Getting back to Christian Barmore, I was one player. I
was watching some of the one on ones that he
was doing, and he was a man among boys times.

Speaker 9 (25:30):
Yeah for sure.

Speaker 7 (25:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (25:31):
I mean for all the attention, you know, excitement about
bringing Milt Williams in, I think we forgot about how
good Christian Barmore could be fully recovered from the blood coots.
And I think they took steps early in camp to
manage that a little bit. You could tell that that
they were still wary of perhaps a relapse.

Speaker 9 (25:45):
With that kind of thing.

Speaker 6 (25:46):
But right now having him go full bore in those
joint practices, I mean you could just see it. He's
he's a nightmare and night I just echo a Paul
said about Harold Landry guy questions about Tennessee let him go.

Speaker 9 (25:56):
I mean, he had nine sacks last year. You knew
he was a productive guy. Is he on the downturn?

Speaker 6 (26:00):
But he looks in shape, He's out there early, he
seems like he's really focused.

Speaker 4 (26:04):
And he had one rep. I don't know who he
was going up against, but it wasn't all his strength.
The way he used his hands, it was like she
said Chuck Norris, Like not Chuck Norris, who's the other
guy that Chuck Norris, Bruce or whatever. But it was

(26:24):
Barbara hadn't even taken a step yet and he had
already rid himself of the guy, and he had a
clear path to, you know, up the middle. It was
just the handwork was looks like it's improved.

Speaker 5 (26:35):
And I wouldn't This isn't like meant to be an
insult towards Melton Williams. But like Christian Barmore at his
peak is a better player than Milton Williams. Like Christian
Barber is a more complete three down player two years
ago than Melon Williams has been in Philly. So like
I agree with.

Speaker 7 (26:50):
Duce, like I bio draft picked.

Speaker 5 (26:52):
Yeah, I kind of feel like Barmore is because of
the blood clots and you know, there's always that weariness
of like can you trust it? Like he's gonna be
back and he's gonna stay healthy and all that kind
of stuff. But he's he's probably a more of like
a we gotta circle this guy in some respects in
Millan Williams, because he makes plays against the run and
the past and he's effective in both ways. So he's

(27:15):
had a great camp. I think every single time he's
out there, he's noticeable, even though it hasn't been you know,
full go for him.

Speaker 10 (27:21):
Yeah, I feel like he's in good shape this year.
And this is just strictly the eye test. I haven't seen,
but he just looks healthier.

Speaker 5 (27:30):
Yeah, he's gone to three h five I think he
said from Mike three twenty, so he's lost some weight.

Speaker 3 (27:34):
And to Williams, will probably just only helped.

Speaker 7 (27:37):
So yeah, let's.

Speaker 4 (27:38):
Go right for.

Speaker 9 (27:44):
We're fortunate.

Speaker 5 (27:45):
Did you have something snarky to say?

Speaker 7 (27:47):
You can say, no, I'm gonna wait next week. We've
done enough the coach breaking up a fight at practices.
I'll wait till next week.

Speaker 4 (27:56):
Wet blanket, wet blanket.

Speaker 13 (27:58):
Oh.

Speaker 7 (27:58):
I don't think fights aren't good.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
I know, but it's the symbolism. It's the symbolism of
the instinct of jumping in there up.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
That's what the Carolina was here a couple of years ago.

Speaker 7 (28:12):
That was a bigger fight. That was a bigger fight.

Speaker 4 (28:17):
Jeer in the middle of all of them, there was
one that that went into the state.

Speaker 5 (28:25):
That's what I'm the nicest guy in They had Matthew
Slater's back in a hurry in those Carolina practices.

Speaker 3 (28:32):
That was a crazy practice, all right?

Speaker 4 (28:35):
Eight five five Pats five hundred is the hotline podcast
at Patriots dot com. Is the email address? Uh So,
we're getting a lot of emails, a lot of calls,
So let's start emptying out these phone lines so other
people can call. We'll start with as we seems to
be a thing now, Nate and Connecticut. What's up, Nate?

Speaker 7 (28:57):
Good?

Speaker 14 (28:58):
Good question for you guys, is uh who has been
the like the vocal leader or like the guy who
like uh so, like cheers people at that. You know,
if a quarterback throws a pick or filling up a touchdown,
who's been that guy that picks them up when they're down,
or who's been the leader that you know controls the

(29:19):
pace of the practice or something like that.

Speaker 4 (29:22):
Yeah, good question? Is it Peppers?

Speaker 7 (29:25):
On defense?

Speaker 4 (29:25):
Would you say?

Speaker 6 (29:26):
Maybe he's definitely one of the he's the rara guy
in the usually in the huddles. But I don't know,
I don't know why on offense, I would kind of look.

Speaker 9 (29:34):
To Drake to be that guy. I hope it's Drake.
That's what it needs to be he.

Speaker 6 (29:37):
Wants him to be that guy, you know, yeah, but
I don't see, uh, I haven't really clocked anything that's oh,
you know, Morgan Moses has taken the offense under his
wing after that bad series. I haven't noticed things like
that with with any of those guys. And I mean,
to be honest, he mention a couple of examples of like, oh,
they threw a couple of interceptions. I mean, there haven't
really been a lot of downtime and then we go

(29:57):
right back into a drill. Really the downtime for the
offense it has been the end of the last three
competitive practices, so there's not really a chance to see
them try to bounce back. Maybe those things are happening
behind the scenes.

Speaker 5 (30:07):
I don't really feel like that's an offense thing in general,
like quarterback outside the quarterback obviously, but like maybe there's
an offensive lineman that's a veteran, like a David Andrews type,
that's like vocal, but defense is the one that like,
you know, Jabil Peppers comes in and gets everybody fired
up and like, you know, ready to play. I don't
really know if that's so much like you don't see

(30:29):
that as often as it's a quarterback like Brady going
up and down the sideline barking at guys.

Speaker 4 (30:34):
Right, that's true. Sometimes receivers and yeah, because they want
the ball. They're more concerned with what I'm doing rather
than the team.

Speaker 7 (30:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (30:44):
I mean I could see Bourne doing it, but he's
not out there right now.

Speaker 13 (30:47):
You know.

Speaker 7 (30:47):
There you go, Freddy, you to be on.

Speaker 4 (30:49):
Board, Yeah, there you go. No, everybody, that's that's the head.

Speaker 7 (30:53):
Bloody after jumping into scrum, wrong, wrong thing, me, Rambo,
how will you live? John?

Speaker 4 (31:02):
First? Blood watching what's up? Patty?

Speaker 7 (31:10):
Hey?

Speaker 8 (31:10):
Patty?

Speaker 1 (31:12):
First Nate and now me Travis and West Virginia must
be throwing a conniption fit right now. First, with the
t I A. N and myself met up yesterday and
we took him to practice and even before the scrum
that the place was electric, man, awesome break time. I
had a question about the dispenses back or not back

(31:33):
to the cornerback depth. I know, like we've been expressing
a little bit of concern on some of the depth
on this scheme. To know that the position at cornerbacks
came up as as seeing a concern. But with the
quote unquote emergence of DJA Games and Alex Houston, Do
you guys feel a little bit better about the depth
of that position.

Speaker 13 (31:51):
Not really.

Speaker 7 (31:52):
I feel pretty good about Alex Austen. Yeah, I feel
better about it. I think that's a legitimate option, you know.
I think he's played really well most of the the
camp practices and I thought he was excellent and that
red that last two minute drill to hurry up at
the end of the practice. He made two of the
four plays to keep.

Speaker 4 (32:10):
I think he's on this team, but I think he's good.
What do you think the gap is between Gonzo and
Carlton Davis and the rest of the room.

Speaker 9 (32:20):
It's a good they say.

Speaker 6 (32:21):
It's a nice little drop between Austin and I mean,
I don't want to crap on him though, I mean,
Paul said he's had a really good camp.

Speaker 9 (32:26):
He looks good.

Speaker 6 (32:27):
I would say after that, though, I don't. I don't
quite have that confidence into DJ James yet. He's a
little smaller guy. I mean he did. He did have
a nice play yesterday that I noticed, but I mean
that's look, that's gonna be your fifth cornerback.

Speaker 9 (32:39):
So nobody's got no five guys that you feel Marcus Jones.

Speaker 5 (32:43):
Marcus Jones in the slot, but Davis Gonzo and Alex Austin,
what do you do side?

Speaker 7 (32:50):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (32:52):
They're gonna play a ton of man coverage and like
if he's in the slot and he's covering like Pop
Douglas types and you know those types of receivers every week, Hey,
with the other guys on the outside, Like I I mean,
I think you do a lot worse. Like I'm not
saying that he's, you know, the best nickel in the league,
but I mean, I don't know. Like I thought yesterday,
like Bob Douglas made Sandra Still look like he wasn't

(33:13):
very good either. So like, I think it's a tough
position to play, Like you have your inside, you have
two way go all the time. The guy can it
really has a ton of freedom playing in the inside
part of the field. I think he's fine. Okay, I
know you guys don't.

Speaker 9 (33:29):
That's okay, No, No, I was no.

Speaker 6 (33:32):
I was just gonna say there were a couple of
plays in seven on seven where you saw some of
the limitations with Marcus Jones height wise, and a couple
plays made over his head that you know in otherwise
a solid overall team performance, and you know, I.

Speaker 9 (33:44):
Would just say, other than a couple guys, I have.

Speaker 6 (33:47):
Some questions about quite a few of the defensive holdovers
from last year.

Speaker 9 (33:52):
The guys that are gonna play a lot.

Speaker 6 (33:54):
I would not Christian Gonzalez, not Christian Barmore, and maybe
not your bril Peppers. But after that, how are guys
going to fit in? Are they exactly what this coaching
staff is looking for even though they're on the roster
and it seems like they've got spots and they're gonna
play this year.

Speaker 9 (34:08):
I have growing questions about some of those.

Speaker 5 (34:10):
Yeah, that's a really that's a fair concern. And the
Marcus Jones thing, like his matchups need to be managed,
like he's going to have to play certain types of receivers.
If you're gonna put him up against the guy that
can go above the rim and make catches over his head,
then he's going to have some trouble. But if you
manage the type of receivers he's covering, he should be
all right. But a lot of people do, sir, on

(34:31):
this Kyle Duggar thing at this point, and what exactly
his future on this team even looks like I think
that that's like a badar was the first one, but
I feel like now everybody's kind of jumped onto this.

Speaker 6 (34:42):
I mean, you can see with Peppers that it seems
like they like him as a linebacker, you know, especially
in the sub packages, where it seems like he's probably
gonna play alongside Spelene a lot on third down and
really focus on that rather than you know, the old
defense there were so much spinning.

Speaker 9 (34:57):
The dial of Peppers is up here, and now we
drop him back.

Speaker 6 (35:00):
It seems like they just want him to focus on
kind of playing in the box now. He said after
practice the other day he's been watching certain players from history.
Who was the only one he named Bob Sanders, So like,
don't watch the pot where he gets hurt, because it
is in every other game. But I think that provides
a little bit of a window into what this coaching
staff sees in Jabrill Peppers and how they're going to
employ him. So I would put him outside of that range.

(35:21):
It seems like they know what he can do and
they know how they want to use him. But some
of the other guys, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (35:25):
I don't know, justin a Brookline writes in I look
through a few Commanders media summaries on the joint practice
and was surprised to see they were pleased with the
play of their cornerbacks, given how well most of the
New England local media highlighted the solid performance of the
Patriots receiver room you agree with this. They also seem
to think their tackles mostly Tunsil got the better of

(35:45):
our d line.

Speaker 7 (35:48):
Was good, Tons was good.

Speaker 6 (35:49):
Tunsell picked up key on White and tossed them once
and that was tun was good.

Speaker 7 (35:54):
And I didn't think there the Washington cornerbacks were bad.
I thought most of it. I just thought that got
in that rhythm where you know, with pop, with some
crossers and stuff. But for the most there was one
red zone period that the Patriots I thought, really just
hammered Washington. And I guess that's one of those I mean,
I guess that's what all you're looking for for, you know,

(36:15):
for the Patriots offense. But I didn't think the I
didn't think early in the practice that the Patriots receivers
are making a lot of plays. But there wasn't a
period and I had it here. See this is why
I brought my notes. If back shoulder touchdown to Booty,
wheel route to Henderson wide open, dropped another touchdown, next
place slant to Henry for a touchdown. So there was

(36:36):
like a rhythm there that it was boom boom, boom,
and the Patriots I thought were dictating, But that was
like a very you know, again, the hurry up period
wasn't the same.

Speaker 4 (36:45):
Yeah, Anthony writes in we did win the practice, Paul, Yeah, Paul.
I know, obviously it's just practice, but based on our
last four years of joint practices, this was a huge
step in the right direction. The reality is we were
a bottom four team last year and the Commanders were
a top four team. The fact that we gave them
all they could handle yesterday means to me that we won.
So maybe it's semantics, but nonetheless we are back.

Speaker 7 (37:07):
LFG. What do you think of Washington going forward this year? Yeah,
I think they're gonna take a step You don't think
they're very good.

Speaker 4 (37:15):
I think that.

Speaker 7 (37:15):
I didn't say that, you said they're gonna take a
step back.

Speaker 4 (37:17):
That doesn't mean I don't think they're very good, not
very good.

Speaker 7 (37:20):
Not as good as last not as good as they
they had a record last year.

Speaker 4 (37:23):
Right, you agree?

Speaker 7 (37:25):
I absolutely agree. I didn't think they were that good
last year. I think they were the product one guy,
you gotta give him credit, throw five touchdown passes, go
ahead touchdown passes in the last thirty seconds. That's one
guy carrying you to win.

Speaker 4 (37:36):
He's still on the tag and he's.

Speaker 7 (37:38):
Still there's not sustainable.

Speaker 4 (37:40):
Well that's why I think they're not going to be
as good as last year. But I think they're gonna be.
Do you think they're not as good?

Speaker 7 (37:46):
What do you think they're not going to be as
good because you think they're they're really good, just not
going to be the state Or do you think they're
not that good?

Speaker 4 (37:52):
They got a little lightning in the bottle, but they're
they're a good team.

Speaker 7 (37:56):
Got hot at the time, lockstep, Freddy lock step.

Speaker 4 (37:59):
But I don't think they're a bad team. They got lucky,
and that's where I think we part way.

Speaker 7 (38:05):
Yeah, a five hundred team that was propped up by
a great quarterback.

Speaker 4 (38:10):
But will that great quarterback be able to prop up
mid Thank you man, I didn't even know I would be.

Speaker 5 (38:17):
Excited if I was Washington about the wide receivers outside
of McLaurin. And I know that McLaurin comes back, and
everything all of a sudden looks like it's all hunky dory.
But some other people got to catch the ball too.

Speaker 7 (38:27):
We saw Cincinnati just had the guys magically come back
as the season started and didn't just all of a
sudden click right.

Speaker 5 (38:34):
But I mean, Daniels is awesome. I think their offensive
line is going to be pretty good, like Tunzels are
really good left tackle, but pass rush on defense too.
I didn't, you know, really think much of some of
the guys that they were. You know, Doron Pain's a
good player. I guess if von Miller goes back in
the way back machine, like maybe maybe that could happen again.

Speaker 7 (38:53):
I don't know, I'm strong. Yeah, I thought he was
pretty good. Yeah, I thought he got the better of
things on the use a couple of times.

Speaker 5 (39:00):
I definitely thought their roster talent though across the board,
would be like clearly better than the Patriots as a
team that didn't. That was in the final four last year,
and I didn't feel that way. Now, if McLaurin was
out there, maybe all my feelings would have been different.

Speaker 7 (39:14):
But oh, that's true, that is true.

Speaker 6 (39:15):
I'd say two on the offensive line point a lot
of the pressure. Harold Landry coming off the offensive right side,
the right tackle, I saw him get burned a lot.
I don't know if it was always the same guy,
wasn't tracking that personnel, but I think it was their
left tackle, the rookie from last year that they moved
as a coleman.

Speaker 9 (39:30):
Is that right to the right, Yeah, but it was
off the right side. I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

Speaker 6 (39:35):
I don't know who it was, but whoever, their right
tackle was as well as bar More on the right side,
so I felt that the right side of the line
was where a lot of pressure was coming in.

Speaker 9 (39:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (39:42):
I don't want to turn this into like we're killing
the Commanders, because like obviously they're I think they're they're good.

Speaker 7 (39:48):
I just don't think they're as good as their record indicated.
I don't think they have as much Andrew Wiley, I believe.

Speaker 5 (39:54):
Yeah, so he's like a veteran, like.

Speaker 9 (39:56):
Yeah, journeyman.

Speaker 6 (39:57):
He was getting toasted a little bit. But the left
side was, you know, pretty stout. I mean, that's why
I'm mentioning Barmore and Landry who were coming off the
right side. Even a little Tonga coming up the middle.
He was disruptive up there as well.

Speaker 4 (40:09):
Randy's in Providence. Hey Randy, Randy, Hey guys, what's going Hey? Good?

Speaker 15 (40:16):
So I was curious about number one, the Caydan Wallace
versus Cold Strange. It seemed like they were competing for
one spot. Just it's still seem that way and the
Patriots offense. I was perusing the Commander's podcasts and stuff
yesterday after to see their point of view, and they
felt like the Patriots offense really won.

Speaker 7 (40:37):
I agree.

Speaker 15 (40:38):
Do you think that the struggles we've seen are more
of a product of facing what could be a very
good defense in the Patriots defense?

Speaker 5 (40:46):
No, that wasn't my takeaway. I not to like say
that the Patriots defense might not be very good, but
I just thought the Patriots offense, for the first time
in a while, I looked like it had a plan
and a rhythm of like how they were gonna attack
and how you know they're gonna get guys open, Like

(41:07):
they're running a lot of play action and you know
concepts that we've seen with McDaniels for years and years
with Gronk and the tight ends where some of those
catches that Hooper and Henry had. The guys are just
wide open. You know, there's nobody within ten yards of
Hooper on one of them.

Speaker 8 (41:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (41:21):
So I think a lot of the stuff that the
Patriots were throwing at Washington defensively was just working.

Speaker 7 (41:26):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (41:27):
And I think that that's a really good sign. But
I don't necessarily not that I don't think the Patriots
are gonna have a bad defense, but I guess I
just don't necessarily look at it.

Speaker 7 (41:36):
Yeah, And I would just caution that Randy, you know,
I think the Patriots offense was was good yesterday. I do,
and I think they were better than the Washington defense.
I thought, if you want to just break it down
that way, I would say that that they won the
Patriots offense, but I would also caution into I know,
what's joint practice. It is competitive, but it's it's not

(41:58):
the same as a real game because.

Speaker 4 (42:00):
The quarterback doesn't have to worry about getting hit.

Speaker 7 (42:03):
Well, there were also going to be sacks in that
both sides. Yeah, I think I think the Patriots would
have sacked Daniels and I know that the Commanders would
have sacked May on a couple of occasions. That changes
the whole outlook. You know, maybe the next play that
went for a touchdown is now third and twenty two,
do you know what I mean? Like, so that changes
the entire outlook of a play. Whereas everything is scripted

(42:23):
and they're running the play as this, you know, it's
already pretty de termined, like it's first down, place, second
down place, third down plays. It doesn't matter if the
previous play succeeded or failed. It's not impacting your play
call on the next play. As in a game, this
sequence is in sequencing involved.

Speaker 6 (42:40):
Yeah, I just jump on that and say, I think
specifically Jayden and Daniels two is a player that you
can't get the true sense of.

Speaker 9 (42:45):
Even in that situation where.

Speaker 6 (42:47):
He's so slippery, he's probably focusing on trying to stay
in the pocket, on trying because we know he's got
the jets, so what you know, you're not going to
learn anything from that. It's been more beneficial for him
to staying in the pocket. Same progressions, and you know.

Speaker 7 (43:00):
When May scrambled all the times he scored it out
where it's like they're blowing the whistle like some of
those might have been good runts. Yeah, Like I look
at it both ways like plays.

Speaker 5 (43:10):
He had one early where I thought he got loose
and would have converted, but then you know, he was
flushed out of the pocket. So it's like it would
have it could have gone one of two ways. To
Paul's point, it could have been a sack, or he
might have gotten out and he might have gotten the
yards on the scramble. But I just, uh, I was
encouraged by the timing and the rhythm of the ball

(43:31):
coming out. It wasn't like May was holding the ball
and running around back there and finding completions just off
of his talent, like they were running the offense, like
he was executing the McDaniel's offense, and the ball was
coming out quickly, especially early on in the practice, to
pop like pop absolutely dusted like three or four times.
Sand was still at the beginning of practice, like really

(43:53):
beat him like clean off the line, and May found
him all all four times, you know, and just really
looked like, you know, you could envision like what it
was supposed to look like based off what we've seen
over the past decade of McDaniels, and then what it
looked like yesterday, and it was like, yeah, that you know,
Paul's Patriot plays like that was a pop over the middle.

(44:16):
That was a Patriot play.

Speaker 7 (44:17):
Totally agree.

Speaker 4 (44:18):
All right, foods here, So I'm gonna take a break
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Speaker 8 (46:32):
How's going Drake's going on? All right?

Speaker 1 (46:34):
Kay Drake?

Speaker 8 (46:34):
So your coach is in the pile. Your coach gets
a cut on his right. Yeah, what's that saying about him?

Speaker 1 (46:41):
No?

Speaker 8 (46:41):
I think, like I said, that's the that's what we're
trying to build, I think, And it starts with the coach.
Starts with the head coach. The intensity, bring it every day. Uh,
you'll take it, no crap, and you know we're right
there on the field. But also it comes to a
time where with our guys offensively and get over there
and get some muscles and kind of have some penalties
and extra after the whistle could get us in trouble.
But for mentality, I like it. I think that's what

(47:02):
you want. I mean I almost got in there, but
I think maybe another day maybe, so we'll see what happened.

Speaker 15 (47:07):
I mean, the idea what started seemed like Trevian Henderson
might have been in Past Protector.

Speaker 8 (47:11):
Yeah, I think Pastport. I think it's physical. It's a
physical game. You know, it's a it's a man's game,
and things happen out there. I'm not sure if anything
on this field happened. But I think there's a time
where obviously you don't want to come out here and
and fight and get into trouble, but at the same
time you want you want to back down for nobody.
So I'm sure your coach will get the mind get
kind of preacher, can't have that, but at the same time,

(47:32):
kind of in the back of our minds. So that's
kind of how we want to play the intensity and
kind of when the whistle's going to play hard, the
whistle stops, you'll get off and get away.

Speaker 5 (47:42):
What did you like about what you guys were able
to do today offensively? And I just felt like you
guys were in a pretty good rhythm to start.

Speaker 8 (47:49):
Yeah, I thought it moves well. You know, it's good
you'll play against another team. You're having all our guys
out there and kind of get in the rhythm, you know,
build some plays together and move the ball. I thought
we this good thing offensively, and wish we would have
ended it better, you know, tipball down there, but hey,
what happens. That's football and that's why you practice those
But uh, overalls powered up front. The guys up front,
they battled hard, so I'm looking forward to uh getting things,

(48:11):
you know, going as to getting in Minnesota and Friday night.
So I'm sorry jumped in really quick there.

Speaker 9 (48:16):
How quickly do you feel like you're building.

Speaker 17 (48:17):
Your chemistry with mac Hollins considering how much time he
missed in me?

Speaker 8 (48:22):
Yeah, you know, otarios, the chemistry's already there, so it
don't even matter. So Greg with me tippaul was it
an eyes thing or just kind of a bangy goold
play for Bobby? I think I could have. I think
I could have, you know, looked him a different way
and he barely got hid out. I tried to throw
it with some speed down there in the red zone
and hopefully not have tip balls, but a good play
by him. Unfortunate, but I play. I think reading Ie.

Speaker 7 (48:43):
Pick, do you look forward to playing in a preseason game?

Speaker 8 (48:45):
Yeah, I think pres is a time to go out
there and get the jitters and you know, real life
when i'm live, you know, it's different from me being
able to get tackled and get hit. So it's good
to go out there and you'll kind of feel like
live bulls are flying around and kind of not have that,
you know. The first you know, snap of the season.
Did you have peter anticipation coming out here today?

Speaker 13 (49:03):
Cool?

Speaker 8 (49:04):
Anytime, any practice, any team period, really, you know, you know,
you get kind of the the jitters of you know,
want to do things right and make good plays, and
at the same time it kind of bounces out with
with the confidence myself and the conference of the guys
around me. So that's what you know, it's mixing sports special.
Do you feel like you're leaving the field today and saying, Hi,
that went fine. Yeah, it looked like some football out there.
It's a different team and you know felt good to

(49:26):
kind of get our operation done against somebody else and
we just have know, huddled. I thought we went well,
so it was good for us to you know, learn
from it, watch it and kind of build off it.

Speaker 18 (49:35):
You know what you've been doing with Josh has been
teaching the new offense and kind of see it against
another team.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
Yeah, it was that kind of positive affirmation.

Speaker 8 (49:45):
Team as you think positive when you're moving the ball
and I feel like you has some good players, it's
positive and you'll come out here not like you you
didn't execut and didn't move the ball well, So it's
always positive.

Speaker 19 (49:54):
You and Gene obviously same draft class, only one pick separate.
Teach you guys, you're probably gonna be compared for the
large part of your career. So how much do you
put on yourself to sort of keep pace with him
and everything he's doing.

Speaker 8 (50:07):
Obviously had a greatyear. I saw him out there. Yeah,
congratulated him. What a what a what a year he had. Yeah,
I think there's a there's always in the back of
your mind, you know, the draft class came in with,
and anytime you play him especially, it's a little different.
But yeah, like you said, I think, uh, I'm just
trying to worry about myself. But at the end of
the day, keep up those guys. Those guys are you know,
him and Caleb and Bo those guys are good, good

(50:27):
friends of mine and uh, you know, friends until we
play each other.

Speaker 9 (50:29):
So much approach to pass brow.

Speaker 8 (50:33):
Yeah, I think he takes a real Yeah, I think
you saw it in college. I think it speaks for itself.
And I think coming here in the NFL, when you've
got you know, Bobby Wager coming into the a gap,
it's a little different, and uh, I got full confidence
in him.

Speaker 7 (50:44):
You have to complete booty contested in the end, zone.

Speaker 8 (50:47):
How much confidence do you have in Kashawan when you're
throwing SOA keep saying you do the right thing, keep
doing it over and over, and you you know, willing
to block in the run game, and I can trust you.
You know you're gonna be out there, and I think
you know, there's a bunch of guys that are making
things like that happen. Pops through a great job and
different guys in the room. So it's comforting knowing that
you're gonna be in the right spot. And it's my
job to give him a chance like having stuff out

(51:08):
there for some Yeah, it's good to get him in
there at the end, you know. I think anytime he
you know, he kind of get him in in the lineup,
it adds a different kind of swagger in the huddle
with Cup Douglass in this offense to what you can do.

Speaker 13 (51:22):
Pop.

Speaker 8 (51:23):
I think he's tough to guard. Like I said, I
think you see it in on little crossing routes and
a little quick moves when he's meeting a defender, you know,
face to face. So I think kind of all year
it's gonna be my our job to try to get
him opening space and let him run the football.

Speaker 16 (51:37):
Did today Grin seeing a different team, what's that process
about the growth of vir offensive line?

Speaker 8 (51:42):
Yeah, shoot, those guys are battling. You'll credit those guys.
We got, you know, some rookies in there. We got
some you know, veteran Garrett and Big Mo's coming back,
So you'll credit those guys. Big Mic, I mean, good
Gosh shows up every day, he doesn't complain, always in
a good mood. And I think you just credit those
guys for starting to build, kind of build up front,
and we got some guys coming in there that are

(52:02):
kind of earning a role and kind of being the
guys that dressed on game day.

Speaker 4 (52:06):
Drake, did you happen to see Rabel bleeding?

Speaker 19 (52:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (52:08):
I saw, yeah. Somehow say it was like, uh the
trump gunshot he wounds, So I was laughing at that.
But uh no, I think you saw what he's breaking
down the huddle and I'm not even sure what happened
when it happened, but uh, you know, he said, don't
worry about We'll see it on film, so we'll see.

Speaker 9 (52:24):
Can break it down, break down drag.

Speaker 19 (52:27):
It seems like you've done a really good job avoiding
bad looks as a passer this season. I'm wondering how
much of that is just your own maturation and how
much of that is working with Josh M.

Speaker 3 (52:33):
David.

Speaker 8 (52:34):
I think it's built within the offense. But also at
the same time, we always talk abound the court that room,
you know, do we have a good play or do
we have a bad look? And there's some times out
there where I thought we had a bad look and
I'm just trying to get to a better play.

Speaker 5 (52:44):
You're a U n C guy, but Jason Tatum, Yeah,
I know, but you don't usually see those guys around
here too much.

Speaker 8 (52:50):
But was it like to yeah, shoot you no, you know,
he's a he's a duke guy. But see what he's
done for Boston And uh, obviously I told him what
a heartbreak, what happened with him. I'm looking forward to
seeing him come back. And Uh, it's funny story. My
brother's here, my old bar Louke. His first start was
in Cameron against uh Duke and he was guarding Jason
his first art, so it was pretty cool. Do you
still compare yourself to Jason as a basketball player? Who

(53:11):
said that Kie? I said it'd be way off rand.
But he's got probably way bigger bag than I do.
So no, but sweet thing you.

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Speaker 6 (53:26):
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Speaker 20 (53:32):
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Speaker 3 (53:32):
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Speaker 9 (53:33):
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Speaker 7 (53:40):
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Speaker 9 (53:51):
Honey, you can't, you can't give up on kissing.

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for me there because she she cooks it and partakes
in both things. So it's like, which one do I say,
either in salt or cooking or one.

Speaker 7 (54:08):
Buffalo sauces? Good stuff.

Speaker 8 (54:09):
That's another great moment.

Speaker 4 (54:14):
All right back here and Patriots on FILD today, five
five pasts five hundred is the Hotline podcast at Patriots
dot com. Is the email address. We're talking about the
joint practice. We're also gonna talk a little bit about
what we might see tomorrow in the preseason game, as
well as the Brady Statue one veiling live at six

(54:35):
o'clock on Patriots dot Com. We also yesterday's practice. Jason
Tatum showed up but no boot.

Speaker 14 (54:42):
Yeah, I was.

Speaker 4 (54:43):
I'm just standing there, you know, in the media area
down by the rope there, and all of a sudden,
this you know, tall guy. It's like, that's Jason Tatum.
I have to admit I was a little bit starstruck.

Speaker 14 (54:55):
You know.

Speaker 3 (54:56):
You know he's tall and.

Speaker 8 (55:00):
Tall.

Speaker 3 (55:02):
You let me finish my sentence. Then you see Tatum
standing next.

Speaker 10 (55:07):
To an offensive lineman or like a massive behemoth of
a d tackle, and You're like, Tatum is really effing tall.

Speaker 5 (55:16):
And I think basketball players are sneakly the biggest athletes
because they're so tall and but they are also still fit,
like you know, and even like like Giannis is like
six eleven, you know, like and just thinking about that,
even next to an offensive lineman like tower over the
offensive line. So yeah, he was there, no boot.

Speaker 7 (55:37):
I looked, no.

Speaker 4 (55:38):
Boot, No, And he was on his feet for like
he stood the whole practice.

Speaker 5 (55:42):
He wasn't pretty good.

Speaker 7 (55:44):
Yeah, he was walking slowly, but his swagger, I am,
that's definitely on. That's not out of the realm, like
I was. I think it's I think it's six weeks.
You're supposed to be in the boot. So he's well
beyond six weeks. Yeah, he had like this new surgery.
I know it's going to have him back before this starts.

Speaker 5 (56:06):
Can you let me have some hope, Paul for two seconds.
But so he had the surgery immediately, like within twenty
four hours, and then he had this new I think
it's called the speed bridge. It's like this new procedure
of how they you guys know me well enough to
know that I am now an expert on Achilles cover Like,

(56:27):
let's be honest. He had the speed Bridge procedure with
the best doctor in the world who performs this surgery
in New York City. But say we're playing in New
York when it happened.

Speaker 7 (56:39):
So that's why you only had the surgery that night.
Can you can you let me that's a fact. He
had the surgery that night.

Speaker 5 (56:46):
Okay, but let's just let's get past all the surgery nonsense.

Speaker 7 (56:51):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (56:52):
In theory, February is nine months removed from Achilles surgery,
So the playoffs start in April.

Speaker 7 (57:00):
I don't want him anywhere near the court. You're crazy
for the twenty five crazy Sason.

Speaker 5 (57:05):
No, I'm not, Yes, you are.

Speaker 7 (57:06):
There's the reason.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
The other teams already noticed.

Speaker 7 (57:09):
This is the reason why the other teams have already
ruled those guys out.

Speaker 5 (57:12):
Well, Tyres Haliburton's injury happened six months, a.

Speaker 7 (57:14):
Month later, and the other guy, why can I not
think of Damian Lillard has been a month earlier older, right,
because it's not a smart thing to do. If I
were the Celtics, that's my most valuable commodity. Rest be
ready and what are we gonna do. Let's go for

(57:38):
twenty six, twenty seven. You're championship contender immediately as soon
as he comes back healthy.

Speaker 5 (57:43):
You're you're right, You're you're the rational one here, and
you're correct. That being said, what I is that, like,
what I worry about is the window in windows.

Speaker 7 (57:53):
Clo Patrick Mahomes. As long as you got Jason Tatum,
your window is why secondighbor.

Speaker 5 (57:59):
It's just all I don't want to.

Speaker 10 (58:00):
I kind of agree with because not to go Celtics unfieldered,
but like, just you're right, there's a window, and it's like, Okay,
this year will just be a wash and we'll be
ready for next year. But that's God willing that Jalen
Brown doesn't have a bad injury.

Speaker 7 (58:16):
This or or they can.

Speaker 10 (58:20):
And I really think like this Tatum injury was like
a godsend for this new owner. It gave them like
the easy out to not pay.

Speaker 7 (58:27):
If they can get rid of all those guys, I'd
be on board with.

Speaker 9 (58:30):
The play right.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
They've already said.

Speaker 7 (58:33):
Top nine returning players, So why rush one of those
five guys back for what to play with?

Speaker 5 (58:41):
Exactly because he's good enough to carry them to a championship,
but not if he's on is not coming back, Like
still genuinely cares deeply about that team. Throwing away an
entire year of Tatum's prime is a really tough bill,
but they're not tom.

Speaker 4 (59:00):
It Away basically got hurt. I have to start dealing with.

Speaker 7 (59:03):
That, right, young man. This is like, young man, Like
I talked to my son. At some point, you have
to address the possibility that it might not work out
the way you want it to, and you have to
deal with that.

Speaker 4 (59:14):
You have to believe that even if he's back for
the playoffs, he's missed the whole season.

Speaker 5 (59:20):
I'm not back. I'm not I'm not prepared for it.

Speaker 3 (59:22):
But like, but that's really good. Yesterday he was on
his feet all day.

Speaker 14 (59:26):
It was cool.

Speaker 7 (59:27):
To see him.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
It was cool to see him.

Speaker 4 (59:29):
Brady blew out his knee like he could come back.
He walked to the locker room. He's okay.

Speaker 7 (59:35):
Oh, God, like the Pageack thing the eight season away,
like the quarterback got hurt and they were no longer
a title contender. Like I said that happened.

Speaker 6 (59:45):
When me and Evan were going on the field before
the instadium practice to get the crowd hyped up, we
walked by those stairs and I said to Evan, I'm like,
all I think about with these stairs is watching Brady
like slowly go down them in two thousand and eight,
and then Evan too well in Mac Jones two, So I.

Speaker 4 (59:59):
Was part of Wow, Mac didn't go on his own.

Speaker 6 (01:00:03):
No, I just remember watching Brady to going outstairs, and
I'm like, season is what it looks like.

Speaker 4 (01:00:09):
I would have traded Brown and Tatum in a first
round pick to Dallas for Cooper Flag.

Speaker 7 (01:00:14):
Oh, I'm very glad you're not so, am I You
wouldn't do that, God, No, I would.

Speaker 5 (01:00:21):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:00:22):
The thing that I would solve, all the Celtics would
be able to restart financially and build build around.

Speaker 7 (01:00:29):
They wouldn't be that good what they wouldn't be that good.

Speaker 4 (01:00:31):
They wouldn't be that good for a while, but they
would rebuild.

Speaker 7 (01:00:34):
But why do you want to do that? You're already great.

Speaker 9 (01:00:37):
Well he's always looking at red hour back.

Speaker 5 (01:00:39):
Yeah, I'm looking at twenty seven years old New England kid.
This isn't exactly like Pearson KG at the end.

Speaker 4 (01:00:46):
So I was expecting everyone to say, I was expecting
every why would Dallas do that?

Speaker 7 (01:00:51):
I'm surprised I would Dallas? Do you why would Dallas
do that so they could win a title?

Speaker 4 (01:00:55):
No, I'm surprised.

Speaker 9 (01:00:56):
I thought you all NBA.

Speaker 4 (01:00:58):
I thought I thought you would say, no way would
they trade Cooper Flag for that? But I'm surprised to
hear that you think they would.

Speaker 7 (01:01:05):
It would be for Tatum and Brown and Brown They'd
be negligent to not make that trade for a guy
who has You have no idea.

Speaker 4 (01:01:12):
You're not gonna have Tatum this year, and you don't
know how you have him next year. I know you
hope and you hope they'll be the same.

Speaker 7 (01:01:19):
Evan's got him back in February. Now you don't even
have him back next year. In the world, I mean,
if you have that bridge surgery speed speed Queen Speed
Queen speed Bridge.

Speaker 4 (01:01:31):
Put him in the Speed Queen washer.

Speaker 5 (01:01:32):
That's that's how I remember what it's called is because
I Speed Queen speed Bridge.

Speaker 7 (01:01:36):
Right, But they's so Paul South Jersey.

Speaker 5 (01:01:40):
If he if we go with Paul's route and they do,
they don't get Tatum back, which they probably won't them
Like quiet tanking is probably the best thing to do
because with the way that the second apron works in
the salary structure, like having the third star be on
a rookie contract is probably the smoothest way to keep
this thing rolling. So like if they if they're not

(01:02:02):
going to get Tatum for the year, then they should
probably purposely try these games.

Speaker 7 (01:02:08):
That's just the reality, is how it's kind of that's
why everybody's no longer on the rush. How did they
get the len Bias pick Gerald Henderson?

Speaker 5 (01:02:20):
Yeah, that was back before like the rest of the
league realized.

Speaker 7 (01:02:23):
They traded Gerald Henderson for a first round pick, and
then that team was and they ended up being the
number two pick in the draft.

Speaker 5 (01:02:28):
That was before teams realized like how valuable drafts were,
and like Red hour back was really ahead of the times.

Speaker 3 (01:02:35):
And what happened after should they get like you just
have to. That's it, like no compass, Like, no they didn't,
you didn't.

Speaker 7 (01:02:48):
And I hate to be like next Day and making
fun of I always make fun of evan screen team
or habits, but I'm a Green team or too at heart.
And I will tell you that that whole bridge that
was there, it was Len Bias and Reggie Lewis. Yeah,
they would have continued to be a title contender throughout
the early nineties and into the mid nineties had those
two guys not died. Now, I know that's a Green teamer,

(01:03:11):
you know, point of view? True though, Yeah, definitely seen.
Reggie was an all star.

Speaker 3 (01:03:17):
I can't imagine living.

Speaker 7 (01:03:18):
And they just lost two potential stars.

Speaker 9 (01:03:22):
Yeah, yeah, you know, ruined tragically.

Speaker 4 (01:03:26):
Yemmy in Texas Rights in can I can.

Speaker 7 (01:03:28):
I just read this email without knowing what it says. Yeah,
we'll just being Washington in a joint practice. And you
guys are talking about the Celtics, don't this is Patriots
on filter? No, No, those haven't the defense.

Speaker 4 (01:03:42):
Those haven't come yet, Bias, those will be here contribution.
But Yemmy in Texas Rights in Greg Madard says Mike
rabel Is running the lightest training camp he's seen in
twenty years. What's your perspective on this.

Speaker 7 (01:03:57):
I don't see it that way. I think camp has
been fine, been very similar to what I've been seeing
for the last ten years.

Speaker 9 (01:04:05):
Yeah, that's I mean I had less experience.

Speaker 4 (01:04:07):
I mean last year there was some practices with Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:04:12):
I think the practices were longer last year because it
took too long to get them going. I made comments
about that last year all the time.

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
And then they would like run hills at the end.

Speaker 9 (01:04:22):
Yeah, I thought Monday was pretty tough. Monday was a.

Speaker 7 (01:04:24):
Long I think the practices have been fine. They've had
a couple of walkthroughs that we have access to, and
sometimes in the Belichick era, we didn't have access to walkthroughs.
Now we have to go to all of them. Thanks Obama, Evan,
you'll be You'll be happy to know that.

Speaker 4 (01:04:42):
Chris and Santa Fe writes in says, I got the
speed bridge procedure last year, and now I trust my
fixed side more than the other side. Hold on to that, hope, Evan.

Speaker 5 (01:04:55):
Post All Star break Baby, Jason Tatum's coming back into stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:04:59):
He said he it was back at work at my desk,
job the next week.

Speaker 7 (01:05:02):
I know what he's talking about the ball I missed
like two days, Like, it's not that's not like at
desk job is it's nothing impressive about that still makes
fun of me for walking into my crutches, But I
I totally understand that mentality of I trust the fixed

(01:05:23):
side better than the other side, because I definitely do.
I feel like the other one is going to go
any minutes right every time I feel is that hard
to walk on it for a while? Is that the
two and a half weeks that I walked on him
without knowing?

Speaker 6 (01:05:37):
Well after you got fixed, Like for Tatum and them
saying he stood out there to practice all day.

Speaker 7 (01:05:41):
Like, yeah, it wasn't. It wasn't an issue. Like it's
running stop. Once the boot comes off, you feel like
you're completely free, you know, and you can just you
gotta be careful.

Speaker 9 (01:05:51):
You can't like jump, yeah, you know that's ball is
jumping and lunching.

Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
Yeah in the Lateral movie mints of pivoting.

Speaker 7 (01:06:01):
Plus, we all also have to take into consideration this
is an elite athlete. It's a little different than you
know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:06:06):
You sage my point.

Speaker 5 (01:06:12):
When everybody's like he's not coming back. I'm like, we're
talking about Jason freaking.

Speaker 7 (01:06:17):
I'm not saying. I'm not saying he can't come back,
like it's impossible. I'm saying I don't want him to
come back.

Speaker 3 (01:06:22):
Worth it.

Speaker 7 (01:06:23):
It's not worth it to me.

Speaker 5 (01:06:25):
It is worth it.

Speaker 4 (01:06:27):
You're selfish, Yes about him?

Speaker 7 (01:06:31):
The fans, Yes, it's all about you. Good fans recognize
what they're doing and they're gonna anyway.

Speaker 4 (01:06:38):
Was that practice didn't know.

Speaker 7 (01:06:41):
Was there?

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
It was a big star study.

Speaker 7 (01:06:43):
Yeah, Danny Amidola, the Twins.

Speaker 4 (01:06:46):
I really expected the Helpopter to be coming down.

Speaker 7 (01:06:49):
Chung and left. I saw it leaving.

Speaker 8 (01:06:51):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:06:52):
I thought I thought JB. John bon Jovi would have
stuck with Bill. I thought that was a Bill guy.
But I guess he's like you likes them, Boat.

Speaker 7 (01:07:01):
Don't get the chores, You don't make me choose.

Speaker 5 (01:07:04):
I'm gonna hang out with him tonight.

Speaker 4 (01:07:06):
Is that okay?

Speaker 3 (01:07:06):
He's got the house in the ham right, It's nice
to have seen it.

Speaker 4 (01:07:12):
Forty eight million dollars.

Speaker 10 (01:07:14):
Freakin' that's the that strip of real estate in Southampton.
Oh yeah, there's levels to wealth, you know, and like
I want to be rich one day. I fully think
I will be not like that.

Speaker 7 (01:07:24):
Will you remember us?

Speaker 4 (01:07:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (01:07:27):
Well, the first thing I do when I make it
big is I'm going to buy a boat. I'm going
to redo my mom's kitchen, and I'm buying paul.

Speaker 7 (01:07:39):
A camera.

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
I don't want to get in trouble with Kenny Yea,
buy you a nice midsize sedan.

Speaker 7 (01:07:45):
Purpose.

Speaker 4 (01:07:47):
Let's see Thordor right sid he's from Iceland.

Speaker 20 (01:07:51):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:07:51):
I'm curious because yesterday in the review episode for the
joint practice with the Commanders, you talked about how the
interception from May was the last thing you saw and
how it affected how you looked at his practice. If
May had thrown that interception earlier in practice rather than
at the end, would you have looked at it differently.

Speaker 9 (01:08:08):
It depends on the period.

Speaker 6 (01:08:08):
I mean, for me, it was all about this is
the competitive period of practice. So if it was the
you know, all right, here's the situation.

Speaker 9 (01:08:15):
It's all on the table.

Speaker 6 (01:08:17):
Paul mentioned earlier, the earlier eleven on eleven periods are
like this is first and ten, this is going to
be second and short.

Speaker 9 (01:08:23):
It's all controlled. So this was the third practice in
a row at.

Speaker 6 (01:08:26):
The end in the competitive portion where you know he
wasn't quite able to get him over the hump. But
I mean, I said specifically in the show, and I
wanted this to make this out to color his whole practice,
but I can't keep every time we come in here
talk about I'm waiting for Drake.

Speaker 9 (01:08:38):
Is Drake killer or not? And then we see three
straight competitive periods and he hasn't really been a killer yet.
You know, That's that's part of the story to me
so far.

Speaker 4 (01:08:45):
Chris wants to clarify that he works at a standing yeah,
oh oh, flex sniff his desk job as a standing job, right, I'm.

Speaker 7 (01:08:53):
Just saying that as a standing once you have the
surgery and you're in a boot for a little bit,
then you're you're okay. You just got to before you can,
you know, play NBA basketball.

Speaker 5 (01:09:03):
I just wonder on that pick, like sometimes I feel
like Drake gets like really excited when somebody gets open,
like for a touchdown, and he's like, oh, he's open,
and then he just like throws it. And you know
guys that are like veteran players like Bobby Wagner who
are smart enough to read quarterback's eyes. He just took
him right to the party, you know. And that's what
he said after the practice was, you.

Speaker 7 (01:09:23):
Know, I welcome to the party.

Speaker 5 (01:09:26):
You got to move him with with my eyes or
hold him in the middle of the field for a
beat or something like that. Yeah, he just like immediately
saw a pop flash open and just took Bobby Wagner
right to it.

Speaker 7 (01:09:37):
And I also give Wagner some credit. I don't think
that just any linebacker makes that play.

Speaker 4 (01:09:42):
Yeah, he's pretty good.

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
You know me.

Speaker 9 (01:09:46):
Again, I'm probably annoying some fans with this take, and
you know, the people who want Drake to be.

Speaker 7 (01:09:53):
Well, But I know what you're It didn't necessarily tank
my view of the offenses before Woman's yesterday and Drake's
in particular, But I understand what you're talking about. You're
looking to see him succeed in one of those series now,
if it makes you feel any better. The Patriots defense
did the same thing. They allowed a couple of completions
to let them get goal to go, and then they
shut them down.

Speaker 8 (01:10:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:10:14):
I was saying to when we came down to that
fourth fourth down play, I'm like, just get a stop here.
I can't deal with like they had a really good
practice all around, But then the only narrative is.

Speaker 9 (01:10:22):
Going to be, well, Drake threw an interception, in jan
Daniels threw a touchdown.

Speaker 7 (01:10:25):
It did really put a lot of stock on those
last My brain was working those last forty five second
drives from the twenty five yard line.

Speaker 9 (01:10:31):
There's only two of them.

Speaker 5 (01:10:33):
But he's not wrong to think the way that those
were important.

Speaker 7 (01:10:36):
I do think those drives were important. They did do
down in distance, The clock was a factor. There was
a little bit more at stakes with Mike.

Speaker 6 (01:10:45):
Tune in next week when Evan and I are in
Minnesota and they're going to do that same kind of
competitive portion to end the period, and I'll.

Speaker 7 (01:10:52):
Be you know what happened when they looks like this
dog just died, And that's probably you know, I think
we did.

Speaker 5 (01:11:00):
Enough because like this is like this is this has
been his most since North Carolina. Yeah, is like you
can bottle up his throws and put them up against
any quarterback in the country or any quarterback in the NFL,
and he throws some of the prettiest balls of anybody.
But then when it came down to like, well did

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they win the game, it was like no, they like
he made five of the best throws you've ever seen
against MC State, but they they lost by two touchdowns
and you're just like, wait, what, Like how do those
two things go inside? And like when you watch like
the all twenty two in his college, like you're not
really paying attention to the score. You're just like watching him,

(01:11:42):
and like all of a sudden, the scoreboard will flash
and they'll be down by like two touchdowns, and you're like,
but I think he's played awesome, Like what do you mean?

Speaker 6 (01:11:48):
I mean, is it a little bit opposite of Tom Brady?
And I don't remember what Tom Brady was like coming out.
I knew that he had won big games, right and
that that was part of the positive on his scouting
report was that and the big games, this kid plays
pretty well well. I just wonder how much of a
part of the Scott and report that should always be,
Like was Patrick Mahomes like that? Because Patrick Mahomes in
the NFL right now is a killer and you know
that you're gonna have to Texas.

Speaker 5 (01:12:11):
He had really got his stats because he played in
that air raid with Clint Kingsbury, and but like they
didn't win very many games. That was like the knock
on him coming out is that they didn't win, Like
he threw for five thousand yards and fifty touchdowns. But
then that's it, and.

Speaker 6 (01:12:25):
That's me is all the psychology of like this year
with Drake May how do you get to that point?
How do you get these guys? I mean, Josh Allen's
pretty much there too. I'd you know, say Burrows probably
often in that category. But that's what goes from like
the guys like Justin Herbert, who have all the talent
in the world but haven't really won anything yet, to
the guys who even if they have some warts in
their game like Josh Allen did, but worked on them

(01:12:46):
and now you know that he's going to be a
pain in the ass right down till the clock hit zero.
That's you know, And that's where you got to get
Drake if he's really going to be the guy and
not just you know, the brock perties of the world
where yeah, they got the stats, but like when it
ultimately comes down to the big games, are they going
to win the titles?

Speaker 9 (01:13:01):
That's what matters.

Speaker 7 (01:13:02):
We talk about this a lot too, And I was
teasing Fred about what he thought about Washington because that's
the fact of the matter, in that league, there's very
little to determine the difference between say seventh eighth best
team and like the sixteenth or seventeenth best team, they're
very similar. It's what do you do in the in

(01:13:22):
the seven or eight games that are going to be
decided by one score? How do you win them? And
the teams that generally do really well find you know,
Minnesota's excelled at that the last few years, is that
because of Kevin O'Connell. Is he just really really good
with the you know, and being able to win those
games at the end. The Patriots haven't been able to
do that. They didn't they couldn't do it with Mac

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Jones and you know last year, small sample, he's just
getting started, but they didn't. They weren't able to win
any of those one scored games at the end with
Drake May. And if that doesn't change, it's hard because
it's hard to just win every game going away. We
saw that with Mac Jones that was the only way
they could win is jumping out in front, getting the
lead and then playing on their terms.

Speaker 4 (01:14:03):
The vast majority of games in the NFL decided by
less than eight points.

Speaker 6 (01:14:07):
Right and I wonder how much of that is a
skill that is developed, because I think, maybe wrongly, we
look at it.

Speaker 9 (01:14:13):
As something that's innate. Being clutch is just kind of innate.

Speaker 6 (01:14:16):
But you know, even Brady, I mean, he was kind
of innate with it, right, How many of those one
possession games when they didn't look like they had it
that day, it didn't really seem like the Patriots were
going to win the game, and then all of a
sudden he puts a couple drives together in the last
five minutes and you know it was his third start.

Speaker 7 (01:14:33):
Was the game against San Diego that he came from
ten behind in the last two minutes. Yeah, you know,
and they ended up winning an overtime.

Speaker 5 (01:14:41):
Yeah, it's the we brought up Herbert, And I think
Herbert right now is probably the leader of the pack
of this category.

Speaker 7 (01:14:49):
He's Drake May on steroids, right.

Speaker 5 (01:14:52):
Like Herbert, Trevor Lawrence, like those guys that when you
watch them play, they are clearly franchise quarterbacks just by
the eye tech, but then you look at the results
and it's like, but they don't they don't really win.
And like Herbert's made the playoffs, Herbert's bring good yeah, but.

Speaker 6 (01:15:08):
Not great, right, and they have like you know, the
five thousand you know, the five hundred yard passing game,
like it's great, but right, are you consistent that.

Speaker 7 (01:15:14):
Game in Houston in the playoffs last year for Herbert
Now they had played, they had a pretty good year.
I thought they were a better team than Houston, even
though they're on the road, because Houston's a division winner. Yeah,
all of a sudden, it's a flurry of mistakes. It
throws a couple of picks and the game's out of
hand and they loose.

Speaker 4 (01:15:31):
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Speaker 5 (01:16:24):
No, but I'm so looking forward to the Bob's Discount
Furniture Studio featuring Paul Parillo yes.

Speaker 7 (01:16:31):
Night and then next week special guests I know who
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Speaker 4 (01:16:41):
So I thought you already always had somebody with you.

Speaker 7 (01:16:44):
Last year we had Brian Hoyer. But Hoyer is on
the sideline this year. Okay, so that was a one
time thing because of Drake May.

Speaker 4 (01:16:50):
Okay, so they're not replacing him in the studio.

Speaker 7 (01:16:54):
No, Normally it's just me in the studio. So last
year we had Brian, didn't do it because we wanted
him to break down Drake May's offense on the telestrator.

Speaker 4 (01:17:03):
M the pulls in the studio in the game, like
maybe they'll come to me. They didn't come to maybe
they'll coin't.

Speaker 9 (01:17:10):
I'm excited to experience.

Speaker 7 (01:17:11):
That's kind of that's kind of the way it goes.
I'm ready and everybody. You got anything to Yeah, I'm
ready and we're going to comp maybe after the turn.

Speaker 6 (01:17:21):
I thought you were just there to sell couches, like
I thought you just they cut to you and you're
just supposed to be lounging around looking comfortable and be like, I,
you know, know what's going on the game.

Speaker 5 (01:17:28):
Guys, but I'm really coming kind of feeling we don't really,
But they were like, hey.

Speaker 9 (01:17:32):
Look there's Paul you know, to pop up on the TV.
We can't hear you, so we assume you're saying nice things.

Speaker 6 (01:17:36):
But yeah, I thought maybe you're just you know, giving
a sales pitch about the automan No, I don't.

Speaker 7 (01:17:40):
I don't sell any merch.

Speaker 6 (01:17:41):
It's like, you know Fred's style transitions where you're like,
you know, Patriots seemed like they were kicking their feet
back on that drive and you know that automate and
Bosses Camp furniture.

Speaker 7 (01:17:50):
That's you're ready, You're ready.

Speaker 5 (01:17:53):
I think there was it Pat McAfee that that like
like my accident. Yeah, it was like this is the
most Boston guy.

Speaker 7 (01:18:01):
He likes my accent, freaking punter.

Speaker 4 (01:18:06):
His accent comes from uh bro, it's a bro accident.
Uh let's go to Florida where Kingston is on the line.
Hello Kingston, Kingston, the crank it up, Matt from Georgia,

(01:18:27):
Ford from Savannah. I had Kingston from Florida. I don't
know how that happened, but hello Ford.

Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
I'm fourteen and on the first time following and ever
since he guys showed my uncle pictures, he's never stopped
wearing a back cat.

Speaker 4 (01:18:49):
Okay? Is that it all right? Keep going?

Speaker 20 (01:18:57):
Besides what should I get?

Speaker 10 (01:19:00):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (01:19:01):
Get it digs?

Speaker 7 (01:19:02):
What Jersey?

Speaker 4 (01:19:03):
Besides Drake may and get a will cam. You'll you'll
listen to that off the air?

Speaker 9 (01:19:09):
What would you say with the first one of the
backwards had?

Speaker 7 (01:19:11):
Who is that?

Speaker 3 (01:19:11):
I think he's had his uncle ever since.

Speaker 9 (01:19:13):
We said he's throwing out the vibe. We needed a
ruling from you yesterday, Alex.

Speaker 6 (01:19:18):
Though yesterday because Dan Campbell's fond of the fitted hat backwards,
do we get a ruling on that the fitted hat
versus like the mesh snap.

Speaker 10 (01:19:23):
Back It was fitted flat brim or flat brim snap
back flat room snapbacks, flat room snap back.

Speaker 3 (01:19:32):
Backward, flat brim fitted. I don't think you should wear backwards?

Speaker 4 (01:19:36):
Okay? Yeah, all right, Well to me, the brim doesn't
matter if you're gonna wear it backwards like I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:19:41):
The brim doesn't matter.

Speaker 10 (01:19:42):
But a fitted hat tends to have like more of
a flat brim, and there's not the little people right.

Speaker 2 (01:19:50):
Like.

Speaker 4 (01:19:50):
A fitted hat backwards to me is even worse. Yeah,
that looks it looks like you're wearing a beanie.

Speaker 3 (01:19:55):
That doesn't look good.

Speaker 10 (01:19:57):
But if it's the flat brim snap back or a
standard baseball like dad hat like you're forty seven, yeah,
those are good backwards.

Speaker 5 (01:20:05):
So the flat room snap back is that's the.

Speaker 3 (01:20:08):
New thing right now, and it's not flattering on the face.

Speaker 5 (01:20:11):
I'm a big pad guy.

Speaker 9 (01:20:12):
We gotta TELLQ that's what they call dan Quinn.

Speaker 7 (01:20:15):
That's yeah, that's good. Friends.

Speaker 5 (01:20:17):
The Red Sox Green Monster version flat room snapback is
sold out, like you can't. I got one at the
ground floor, so we're fine.

Speaker 9 (01:20:27):
But it's that's pretty cool.

Speaker 4 (01:20:28):
Also, I don't like flat hom hats.

Speaker 7 (01:20:31):
I don't like flat brims.

Speaker 4 (01:20:32):
I think they look goofy.

Speaker 3 (01:20:35):
I don't like some people, but a lot of people
pull them off. I'm not one of those people.

Speaker 7 (01:20:42):
I've never seen anyone I thought looked good in it.
But I'm too old for it. It's a young it's
a young man's game.

Speaker 4 (01:20:47):
Freddy just just skateboard somewhere else.

Speaker 7 (01:20:49):
We're just living in it.

Speaker 4 (01:20:51):
Dominiques in New York. What's up, Dominique?

Speaker 8 (01:20:56):
Hey?

Speaker 4 (01:20:56):
Hey, how you doing?

Speaker 1 (01:20:58):
Hey?

Speaker 13 (01:21:00):
Recoverage on everything from saying campus and love them to recap.
I gotta make a mission I actually may like, especially
with a wide receiver room. I was so concerned about
want of certain players just to make it. Whether it's
like Jays and Polk kind of redeeming and so Jason
Baker only because they were, you know, our draft picks
from last year. But it's kind of nice seeing you
though it's only two weeks. About right, people steps, enough

(01:21:23):
kitson boogie, you see back home, coming back and doing well.
Just about of these folks just like you know, making plays.
So I care less about really who makes it, just
who's the best for the team. Obviously that's the whole
point of this thing. But I was getting in my
head about this guy needs to make it or fix
closest pickures, just pick the best f the step and
that really gets kicking made and the offensive and opportunity

(01:21:44):
to elevate. Those were really nice seeing that. So my
fortune is if you had to hole, uh six receivers
versus steven, what would you do based on you what
you've seen? If you do hold step in what one
position are you like cutting something like this, defensive line,
offensive line, whatever it may be?

Speaker 4 (01:22:04):
All right, thanks Domini.

Speaker 5 (01:22:05):
Yeah, uh, I think we've all I don't want to
speak for everybody, but I feel like everybody I've talked
to is kind of settled on the five receivers of Diggs, Douglas, Booty, Hollins,
Kyle Williams, as like that group is going to be here,
and then it's just the floater of like are they
going to keep a sixth guy? Are they not going
to keep a sixth guy?

Speaker 4 (01:22:26):
I don't.

Speaker 5 (01:22:27):
I think seven is like pretty I would keep five
unrealistic five that you just mentioned right, like that is
the five that's that are here. I think pretty safely.
The question is is do you want to carry a
sixth receiver out of some of the young guys, like
one of the second year guys or Efton Chisholm, or
just a developmental player as the sixth guy that you're

(01:22:49):
not your little concern isn't going to make it through
waivers and get to the practice squad. So you put
Javon Baker on the roster, you know, just the you know,
maintain in control over him.

Speaker 9 (01:23:01):
I wonder about that with Polk and Baker. Is you know,
Baker lower round draft pick.

Speaker 6 (01:23:05):
I think Paul you said maybe show like maybe there's
still somebody out there with Polk is the second round pick.

Speaker 9 (01:23:09):
If he were to get you know, he'd probably be
tough to get him through.

Speaker 6 (01:23:12):
But nothing I've seen out of those two guys so
far has made me say in camp that they have
to keep these guys around.

Speaker 9 (01:23:18):
I was curious, though, what did you guys think?

Speaker 6 (01:23:20):
Because I saw, you know, Javon Baker caught that touchdown
yesterday and he launched the ball into the sky.

Speaker 9 (01:23:25):
Did that bother you guys? I?

Speaker 5 (01:23:26):
I didn't really. I saw Mike kind of like that
would bother you because you didn't like digs.

Speaker 8 (01:23:34):
I don't want to.

Speaker 4 (01:23:37):
Between launching it and the sky or spiking, because.

Speaker 7 (01:23:40):
The launching in this guy is considered like a delay
of game kind of taunting to come down apparently. But
gravity I don't. I don't make it's I don't. I
don't make the rules. I don't like the rules. I
like fun. You guys don't. I like fun. I like celebrations,
So I have no problem with what Javon Baker did.

Speaker 4 (01:23:57):
I have no problem.

Speaker 7 (01:23:58):
There's definitely it's better. Actually, Sean Hoculey's crew was here yesterday.
That would be something I think would be.

Speaker 4 (01:24:05):
If you spike the ball, it can go anywhere.

Speaker 7 (01:24:07):
It doesn't go anywhere near where the ball went. When
Javon Baker threw it yesterday, I'm.

Speaker 5 (01:24:11):
Pretty sure one of the linemen caught it running over.

Speaker 7 (01:24:14):
Over shoulder, Yeah, which was kind of I have no
problem with that, you guys, I mean, I'm being dead serious,
I have no I like celebrations. I like I kind
of like taunting. I think it's fun.

Speaker 4 (01:24:26):
I've seen guys launching into the stands. They don't get penalized.

Speaker 7 (01:24:29):
Oh yes you do.

Speaker 5 (01:24:30):
That's a fine.

Speaker 4 (01:24:33):
Afterwards, but not during the game. It's not a penalty.

Speaker 7 (01:24:36):
I believe it is.

Speaker 4 (01:24:37):
I don't think so.

Speaker 10 (01:24:38):
I think if it wasn't Javon too, and it was
someone maybe more established, people wouldn't have as big of
an issue with it.

Speaker 7 (01:24:44):
I don't think they were.

Speaker 9 (01:24:45):
I didn't a lot of issue with I just I
think somebody issue.

Speaker 7 (01:24:51):
It's like when the defense picks off a pass and
went down in the end zone, they take a picture
of that's not here not do not care for that.

Speaker 6 (01:25:01):
Although I will say I like it all in the
in stadium practice, I liked the little choreographed, little little
conga line that going.

Speaker 4 (01:25:08):
I didn't like that that.

Speaker 7 (01:25:11):
I like it all. I think it's fun. I think
the game it's a game and it should be fun.

Speaker 9 (01:25:14):
I wasn't.

Speaker 6 (01:25:15):
I wasn't bring it up, you know, joking aside like that.
It didn't really in the moment bother me. But then
you know, I saw some some stuff online of people
talking about it, and then I just was bringing up
for discussion because I'm like, is this what he needs?

Speaker 9 (01:25:27):
Like you know what I mean? Does he need to
be like I need to really be on the straight
and narrow right now?

Speaker 6 (01:25:30):
Because even in O t A S there was that
you know moment where he caught a ball and he
kind of jogged back and Rabel was like, let's go,
you know, was on top of him.

Speaker 7 (01:25:38):
That's different. This was a touchdown, right, yeah, So I
have no problem with it a touchdown.

Speaker 3 (01:25:44):
To celebrate their touchdowns.

Speaker 9 (01:25:45):
Yeah, I just come up with.

Speaker 5 (01:25:46):
A different celebration. That's not a penalty.

Speaker 7 (01:25:49):
Again, I don't know they didn't. I don't think anybody
threw a flag yesterday, so there were officials here. So
if they didn't flag it, maybe it's not a penalty.

Speaker 6 (01:25:57):
Maybe maybe friends, somebody who's a little bit on double
secret probation and you.

Speaker 7 (01:26:01):
Know, you just not maybe not.

Speaker 9 (01:26:04):
I'm not saying.

Speaker 3 (01:26:05):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 10 (01:26:06):
Like if it was someone that was more established, not
trying to make the MAC again, maybe it was just
like that release of emotion for him and he's happy
to make a play.

Speaker 3 (01:26:15):
There's a lot on the line for him.

Speaker 9 (01:26:16):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:26:17):
So if you had to, if you had, if you
had to pick, it would because of his uniqueness in
the room. Like I feel like if they were to
keep a Chisholm or a Pole, I just don't see
a path to that player having a role. Whereas with
Jaymon Baker, you could make the case that if Booty's
not really having a great season or it doesn't go

(01:26:38):
well for Booty for and I'm not saying it won't,
but just for whatever reason, he gets hurt something like
I could see Javon Baker playing the X and like
being out there, whereas with Jalen Polk, he's behind Digs,
he's behind Pop, he's probably behind Kyle Williams for a role,
like there's there's just bodies in front of him, and
that's not even counting if Kendrick Bourne is here. So like,

(01:26:59):
it's just it's harder for me to envision a role
for Polk and for Chisholm because they're redundant to some
of the other guys they have on the team.

Speaker 4 (01:27:07):
Baker isn't well, why do softball? Why is it played
on all dirt infields? And baseball has some grass?

Speaker 7 (01:27:15):
I don't know.

Speaker 9 (01:27:17):
I don't know what they what do they call it softball?

Speaker 4 (01:27:19):
The ball is just as hard as it's a little softer,
a little bit softer. But is it so soft that
you can just well, there's white softballs and there's yellow softballs.
Did you know that?

Speaker 9 (01:27:29):
And there's a difference between how hard they are.

Speaker 19 (01:27:32):
Yeah, according to the Google, it allows the ball to
travel faster and makes the game more offensive.

Speaker 4 (01:27:37):
I okay, I can see that the grass would slow
down the big softball. Okay, all right, I can see that.
Thank you for that. Let's go to the hot line.
Who John and Haveril? What's up John?

Speaker 7 (01:27:55):
John?

Speaker 4 (01:27:56):
There you go?

Speaker 11 (01:27:58):
Talk?

Speaker 4 (01:27:59):
All right?

Speaker 14 (01:28:00):
So I have to say one two days school, just
get out.

Speaker 4 (01:28:03):
Of something summer summer Fred, Okay, but go ahead, John,
I'm sorry.

Speaker 21 (01:28:10):
Yeah, a top five cornerback in my opinion.

Speaker 7 (01:28:14):
Let's go.

Speaker 6 (01:28:16):
I would agree, play your flag, John Boom.

Speaker 7 (01:28:21):
I think he finished.

Speaker 11 (01:28:24):
Okay, I love it.

Speaker 7 (01:28:25):
I think they had a poll back and all that
stuff on the SPN and he was sixth and that.
So yeah, Top five just called it and waited just
to say, just to get the younger Fred. I know, well,
it's unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (01:28:40):
I think John was just the best call I ever
heard on Felgar's show. Was the guy calls and he goes, Hi,
it's Bob, first time, long time. I'll hang up and listen.

Speaker 9 (01:28:50):
That's good.

Speaker 7 (01:28:51):
Poor bar.

Speaker 5 (01:28:52):
Yesterday, I'm getting attacked about like just joint practices, like
he just flnger just yelled.

Speaker 7 (01:28:59):
Well that's what he's It was like who are you
yelling at? Like why are you so angry?

Speaker 4 (01:29:04):
And he was on a rant yesterday that one of
the best products the Patriots have had was this joint practice,
which is absolutely free and then you have the preseason,
which is a dog that you have to pay, you know,
so what are you gonna do?

Speaker 7 (01:29:20):
But like but like, no, how do you fix it?

Speaker 8 (01:29:21):
Mike?

Speaker 5 (01:29:22):
I feel like everybody understands his thinking there, but he's
like yelling at me, like I'm disagreeing with him or
like his other big take was was that like it's
all you know, basically, it's all on Drake May. If
Drake May is good, the Patriots will be good. If
he's like, yeah, we.

Speaker 7 (01:29:38):
We know, Like how do you argue that it's going
to be awfully hard to be a really good team
if your quarterback is bad?

Speaker 3 (01:29:46):
Right?

Speaker 7 (01:29:46):
How do you argue with that point of view?

Speaker 9 (01:29:48):
Is like, well, I have the times on the paying
times on the punts.

Speaker 10 (01:29:51):
If you want it, Mike, you should run an experiment
with Barth where we get his like blood pressure metrics.

Speaker 3 (01:29:56):
Before and immediately after the show, they.

Speaker 5 (01:29:58):
Were talking about like who would you you rather have
for the next like if you're drafting Jayden Daniels or
or Drake May, and like they're like he's grilling bars
like give me an answer, give me an answer. And
I was like he's trying to talk and you just
get Hilton.

Speaker 7 (01:30:13):
Adam, he's a bully.

Speaker 4 (01:30:15):
Bully.

Speaker 6 (01:30:16):
I just tell you, you know I spend I want
Barth pressure during like you know punts. I want it
during attendance at practice.

Speaker 9 (01:30:24):
I want pressure, want pressure show.

Speaker 3 (01:30:28):
The whole time and intervals track them.

Speaker 4 (01:30:31):
I still think we gotta have a electric football game
between Evan and Barth, and we should have steaks. So
like win you win. If you win, you get one
hundred dollars gift certificate to Jersey Mike. If Bart wins,
he gets something college football.

Speaker 3 (01:30:49):
Or something, you know, match Maker series.

Speaker 5 (01:30:52):
So if you're talking, you're talking about Madden right like
electric No no, no, no, no no.

Speaker 4 (01:30:56):
I'm talking about the little guys on the I don't think.

Speaker 9 (01:30:59):
Every magnetic chaos that has you turn it on?

Speaker 4 (01:31:02):
And do you know I've got one in my office.

Speaker 5 (01:31:06):
I've seen this in your Office's like that's the first
time I've ever seen.

Speaker 7 (01:31:09):
Have you ever had an old AFL NFL one?

Speaker 4 (01:31:12):
Have you ever done it?

Speaker 5 (01:31:13):
I don't think.

Speaker 4 (01:31:14):
I think the two that is this like.

Speaker 7 (01:31:19):
Hockey game is actually excell So this.

Speaker 4 (01:31:21):
Is an electric this is it's a playing field, it's
metal and these are little plastic guys with treads and
you set up your offense and you set up your
defense on it, and then you turn the switch and the.

Speaker 7 (01:31:33):
Boards starts rates and it causes the players and.

Speaker 6 (01:31:36):
The players move, but not in the position you want
them to. Why you would hate I set them up
and cover two and then ever.

Speaker 7 (01:31:42):
Charges I just perfectly designed the annexation of Puerto Rico
and they went.

Speaker 4 (01:31:50):
Every player just goes like little treads are supposed to
be positioned in the in the direction you want the
guy to usually go, yeah, you get guys on the sideline.

Speaker 6 (01:32:03):
So this was a bit that me, me and FITZI
used to do in one of our shows that we
did before we worked here. We would do we would
take like a key pave play from the game and
we would like Evan style, set it all up so
like it was literally look pre.

Speaker 9 (01:32:15):
Snap and I'm like and now you know, and then
we'd subscribe it what happened?

Speaker 6 (01:32:18):
Why I was playing all right, let's just let the
board on roll and see how the play went, and
then it would just be total chaos and nothing that
we talked about happened would happen.

Speaker 4 (01:32:27):
That's why it would be so fun.

Speaker 9 (01:32:29):
Where are you going, bro?

Speaker 7 (01:32:30):
Where are you going you run a post you're on
the post man.

Speaker 9 (01:32:34):
It's just going to the sideline and then falls over.

Speaker 4 (01:32:36):
I think we do that during a catch twenty two.
One of the catch twenty two is we'll do that.

Speaker 9 (01:32:42):
I know, I got one in my artist I got
one in my house too. We have the artifact to
buy it for the segment.

Speaker 19 (01:32:48):
You know.

Speaker 9 (01:32:48):
I was during the T shirt days I had money to.

Speaker 7 (01:32:50):
Burn, thought that well, I wrote it off.

Speaker 5 (01:32:58):
I mean, Madden has new uh intros into the game
now for night games. If you have a primetime game,
it has like this whole little animation that it does
and uh it has the Keeper of the Light has
the ringing the bell, and it's Gronk Gronk up on
the top of the lighthouse doing his Gronk thing where
he's like things and stuff, and it like kind of

(01:33:22):
looks like Gronk, but like not really. But Bart tweeted
it out and was like, you can even have Gronk
through it, and everybody's like, yeah, it's that's Gronk. He's
in the video and and but it I thought the
same thing, Yeah, get paid for that. Probably it's just
his likeness, Like yeah, they mean it just enough.

Speaker 3 (01:33:44):
Like him, but not.

Speaker 5 (01:33:45):
It's not great. Like I feel like when Gronk was
actually in the game, like as a player, he looked
more like Gronk than he does in the animation.

Speaker 4 (01:33:52):
But Cody's in New Hampshire. Hey Cody, my first time,
the first time.

Speaker 21 (01:34:02):
Yeah, I just wanted to say, I am a lot
of props. The's like fourteen year fourteen year olds calling
him because kind of nervous talking to you guys, do
it like you recently? But anyway, quick question on U
on Booty, does it feel like he's.

Speaker 20 (01:34:16):
Kind of becoming a lock?

Speaker 21 (01:34:17):
I know he's like not very like exciting one of
the up and coming receivers, but it's like last year
and his confidence building with Trick May, it just feels
like he's kind of important.

Speaker 5 (01:34:28):
Yep, he's a lot I think you think so yeah,
always a lock.

Speaker 9 (01:34:32):
Oh yeah ye.

Speaker 5 (01:34:33):
But I still look at that spot though, and like
think that they could upgrade it, like not to go
pick on Booty, like eventually he's like he's a fine players.
But you know, Douglas and Diggs, I think I really like,
you know the X spot.

Speaker 6 (01:34:47):
I'm so old, right, and I see that as like
you're gonna get a little mc collins there, you're gonna
get hopefully little Kyle Williams there, and then maybe eventually
one of.

Speaker 9 (01:34:54):
Those guys really emerges to be the threat that they need.
But yeah, he's a lot baby.

Speaker 4 (01:34:58):
All right, Thanks Cody, U go down to Pennsylvania, Joe,
what's up?

Speaker 7 (01:35:03):
Joe?

Speaker 20 (01:35:05):
Hey, guys, thanks for taking my call of the show. Uh,
this would probably be like a lot for Evans just
for their some number stuff I have, but everybody get
everybody's opinion, But just about the cap and like cutting
some guys and even some cat for next year, and
just looking at over the cap, like we're fifteen MILLI
under the cat for next year. I know we're sitting

(01:35:26):
at like sixty right now, but looking at guys like
Kendrick Bourn, we could save six point three million by
cutting up. I love Born, but that's six point three
million we could save. And here's four guys we to
save fifteen million on by cutting Born, to Buy Low
and Jennings we could save nearly fifteen million there, Like

(01:35:47):
Low is like three point four million, to Buy is
like two million, and Jennings is like three million. So
that's good money we could save by cutting those those
guys don't seem like they have a big role this year. Ways,
but then also too going even going forward to next year,
and like just with Vrabel and like his front office,

(01:36:07):
how is he going to view a Whinning's contract, Dougars
contract and Barmore's contract because they're all in like big
they all have big outs for next year, and especially
with US, uh, just where we're at cap white next
year and those big outs, where do you think that
they'll view those players? But then also to two other.

Speaker 7 (01:36:29):
Side, can I ask you something before you continue, Joe,
what are you projecting the cap at next year that
you have them only fifteen million under the cap? They're
fifteen million under the current cap.

Speaker 20 (01:36:39):
Oh yeah, I'm not taking into all those accounts too.
But then right, we gotta like sign, we gotta sign
the draft.

Speaker 7 (01:36:45):
I have no problem, no, but like the cap is
going to rise, Like.

Speaker 20 (01:36:51):
Oh yeah, I know that, but I'm just looking at
over the.

Speaker 7 (01:36:54):
Cap just yeah, you don't have to. I mean, I
just think you're you're spending a lot of time worrying
about things that I don't think are overly important, Like
the cap is not an issue for really any team,
Like the cap is so big now and it's growing
so much every year. Like the bigger thing that I
think that you're that you hit on that I that
I really think might be something that they're thinking about

(01:37:15):
is guys like Kyle Dugert and mikel Wentu for next year.
These are guys that signed big money extensions under a
previous regime, and in general terms, those are guys that
need to be sort of on alert, and I think
it's a big year for both of those guys. They
need to play well. Barmore I don't think is going anywhere.

(01:37:36):
I think Barbo is one of the five best players
in the team. I don't think he's going anywhere unless
something happens with you. No, yeah he didn't. You just
sign one so yeah four year. Yeah. So I think
I don't worry. If you can do whatever you want
with your thoughts about the CAP, I wouldn't really worry

(01:37:59):
about the cap. I don't think cap is a problem
or anybody like. I don't think you need to worry
about that number because the CAP number is too big.
Like maybe maybe you do something to lower the number
in the but you know, I don't. I just don't
think it's all that important. Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:38:14):
How exactly over the cap like calculates their their numbers
with rollover because like the Patriots right now are sixty
million dollars under the current salary cap.

Speaker 7 (01:38:25):
And they spent the most money in an offseason in
NFL history right now, they tells you about the cap.

Speaker 5 (01:38:30):
They have expenditures over the over the course of the
regular season, that are their effective caps pace with the
cap space we project that they're going to roll over
is about thirty five million dollars, So if you really
look at it, that's rolling it over into next year.
And then to Paul's point, the cap is going to
rise because it's always rising. So let's say it rises
by another ten million, that's really rolling over forty five

(01:38:54):
million dollars in cap space. So their cap is they
have all the money in the world if you even
if you just say that we're going to spend to
the cap and they're not going to go over the cap, like,
they still have plenty of cap space to play with,
Like they shouldn't if they want to cut like and
move on from like a tabay Ra Jennings because they're
not fits and they're not like I would agree with

(01:39:14):
all for those guys, but that's that's totally a valid
thing to say.

Speaker 7 (01:39:20):
They're not doing it because of the salary cap.

Speaker 4 (01:39:22):
To Paul's point, Thanks Joe, appreciate the car.

Speaker 7 (01:39:25):
I mean, Tava's the only one out of those four
guys that he mentioned that I can say, well, maybe
he's the starter next to Spolene, but he's been hurt
and we've seen Christian Ellis.

Speaker 9 (01:39:33):
I was going to say, I don't think.

Speaker 7 (01:39:35):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 9 (01:39:35):
Heap is a little bit of a question mark for me,
and it could go either way.

Speaker 6 (01:39:39):
It could be he doesn't fit or he's actually a
great versatile, big bodied option to put next to Splene.
You know, we can still use ls a little bit,
but that's one thing I would still hold out for.
But you know, just real quick looking at the roster,
you know, next year, and I mean this is all
why are we doing it?

Speaker 9 (01:39:53):
Because we're getting ready for a season.

Speaker 6 (01:39:55):
But I mean there's not a lot of like glaring
holes right now of like well they're going to mean
they probably gonna have have to figure out Christian Gonzalez
at some point. I mean, that would be a nice
big piece that they could take care of, But I mean,
for the most part what we've seen from the starters
out there this year, all these guys are kind of
back next year.

Speaker 7 (01:40:11):
So you know, it's not like you're right about Gonzales
and what just happened with Stingley and Sauce, Like those
are the guys that came up signed big money deals
after the third year, right in Sauce's case, So you're
going to be after year three for Gonzales, my guess
would be that him and his representatives are going to
be looking to do the same thing. Now it's going

(01:40:31):
to cost you a lot of money.

Speaker 5 (01:40:32):
Well yes and no, because it will be an extension
on his rookie contract. So if you sign him next offseason,
after his third season in the league, when he's eligible,
he's still going to be playing in twenty six on
the fourth year of his rookie contract.

Speaker 7 (01:40:45):
Which is why I don't worry about the cat.

Speaker 5 (01:40:47):
And then you get extension eligible after that.

Speaker 7 (01:40:49):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (01:40:49):
But good to that point, Like what the Cowboys are
having right now with Micah Parsons is because.

Speaker 7 (01:40:56):
They've waited because they don't do it the right way.

Speaker 5 (01:40:58):
So if you're the Patriot, the Micah Parsons thing is like, hey,
what's the word like cautioned into the wind, thank you,
cautionary tale of like, don't do that right with Christian
Gonzalez when he's contract eligible, extension eligible next offseason, lock
him in immediately and don't get into this whole dance

(01:41:21):
of you know, end of the year of his rookie
contract like the Cowboys have with Parsons, because like I
think the tough talk part for teams and like owners
like Jerry Jones is like, you have the fifth year
option on a first round pick and then you have
the franchise tag in your back pocket too. So like
really for a team like Dallas, they're looking at it

(01:41:42):
and saying, well, we have two year more years of
team control on Michael Parsons, So like, why are we
baking the bank, breaking the bank right now to extend MICHAEH.
Parsons when we have the leverage like he's under contract,
we have the fifth year option, and we have the
franchise tag. So this is a three years from now.
Problem with Michael Parsons was.

Speaker 4 (01:42:00):
You know, wait three years and it's it's gonna cost more,
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (01:42:05):
But I can understand.

Speaker 7 (01:42:08):
You know, they did the same thing last year and
then they finally gave him the contract. But they that's
the way Dallas has been doing it. They dragged their feet,
and I think it costs some money in the long run.

Speaker 6 (01:42:16):
Quick, I mean, just a quick look at the free
agents next year. Do Austin Hooper, you know, t E
two probably a position of long term need. Chase On's
had a good camp, he's been hurt. Marcus Jones really
the only starter I would say of the free agents
next year. I mean, Alex Austin's a restrictive free agent,
but you know, Cold Strange, Tonga, Epps, Hawkins, Gibbons, Low.

Speaker 9 (01:42:38):
It's a lot of depth pieces.

Speaker 7 (01:42:40):
So like we talked about Low, by the way, that
was one of his four. Those four, Yeah, I think
they might be something. Some of these things, like he said,
like I don't I don't feel great about the backup tackle, right.

Speaker 6 (01:42:50):
You don't need to really plan it out. I mean,
I think a lot of these things will take care
of itself at cutdown day. And it's not about well,
let's just cut them for money. I mean a lot
of these guys are are on the bubble anyway.

Speaker 7 (01:42:59):
As it is, We'll just say, and I am starting
to get a little intrigued by Marcus Bryant and I
was colon in those things, So maybe maybe he would
make a guy like low expendable.

Speaker 9 (01:43:09):
It seems like more guys. I don't know how to
say this.

Speaker 6 (01:43:12):
I just like seeing guys improve, and I think he's
a great example of somebody who you see get more
reps and you start to clock a little bit more.
We talk about it all the time, and it's at
a position need now, is it because he's playing great
or because they're like, it's because it's.

Speaker 8 (01:43:27):
Not that, you know? Is it?

Speaker 6 (01:43:29):
Is it about We're an import in a storm right now.
We're trying to figure out, you know, if we get
this guy possibly ready to play.

Speaker 5 (01:43:35):
It the only a salary cap related thing that's like
somewhat on my mind because I'm a nerd and think
about these things. At some point, we're going to have
to talk seriously about a Drake May extension. And when
that happens, he's going to be a sixty million dollars
a year quarterback.

Speaker 7 (01:43:53):
But that's two years.

Speaker 5 (01:43:55):
It's two years.

Speaker 9 (01:43:55):
But it's just like Gonzo next year.

Speaker 5 (01:43:57):
When it comes to we all know, money in and
money out. We're having that conversation like sooner than you
think end of next season, yeah right.

Speaker 7 (01:44:08):
And when that next season, yeah right, when his extension
three years in.

Speaker 5 (01:44:13):
Yeah, when his extension kicks in and he's now a
sixty million dollars a year quarterback, then some of this
stuff does start to matter, like how you spend around
that quarterback contract. Now you have the quarterback, so that's
obviously a huge bonus. But even like Kansas City has
made moves like trading Tyreek Hill too because they're cheap, possibly,

(01:44:37):
but we know that that's that's how the world works,
so like when we get into that territory, that's a difference.

Speaker 8 (01:44:44):
By the way.

Speaker 4 (01:44:44):
Congratulations Roman Anthony, I love it for a long time. Yep.
Red Sox building for the future.

Speaker 7 (01:44:55):
You congratulate John Henry. It's a tremendous contract for the
Red Sox. That's tremendous for both to get that guy
for one hundred and thirty million. Were you surprised he
was willing to pay, especially when in spring training he
was not willing to play ball. And the only thing
that has changed since spring training is he's proven to
be legit.

Speaker 9 (01:45:13):
Right, right, more money.

Speaker 7 (01:45:15):
I was completely stunned that he took that deal. Good,
good for him, great for the Reds.

Speaker 9 (01:45:20):
At some point, it feels just sounds like so money
and much money. You're like, well, you should really be
hold well, I.

Speaker 7 (01:45:24):
Think that's played a year of the year. He would
have gotten a lot more than that.

Speaker 5 (01:45:28):
Right, This is a twenty two to twenty three year
old kid that just got handed a check for one
hundred million dollars. Right, it's pretty hard to say.

Speaker 4 (01:45:35):
I'm gonna hold out for ye like one hundred million
dollars priority A right for him? Good kid, good kid,
quick rights in could tomorrow also be a wide receiver
showcase if the Patriots show a lot of born Pope,
Baker or Booty to give Washington some looks of possible
trade candidates.

Speaker 6 (01:45:57):
I mean, I mean I would protect Tiggs. I think
he saw enough of him yesterday. I probably protect Pop too.
I've seen enough of him. I don't really think, but
I think as far as Polk and Baker and Chisholm go.

Speaker 7 (01:46:10):
I can see those guys guys plenty.

Speaker 2 (01:46:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:46:12):
Oh yeah, I think you'll see a lot of those guys. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:46:14):
I worry about from the other direction, of like if
Afton Chisholm has one of those precs like in Austin,
get squad now cool.

Speaker 13 (01:46:22):
Great.

Speaker 5 (01:46:22):
I think that some of that's overrated. I know that's
what Paul's about to.

Speaker 7 (01:46:25):
Say, but no, I'm not. I was actually gonna button
hook you. Let me, let me throw this one at you.
You know me, I'm always thinking about stupid stuff that
really doesn't matter at all, Like made his extension three
years or they just brought back an old friend Jamichael
Hasty Michael right, So he's kind of, you know, the

(01:46:46):
smaller pass catching kind of back. There's a couple of
ways to look at this, like do they just want
Hasty to go out there? He's not really part of
the plan. I would thank you sign a guy halfway
through training camp in preseason handle, give him, give him
they maybe that you do not want give him the touches.
Maybe you do not want land Larison to get language.

(01:47:08):
That's just something I was thinking about when I was today,
Like that's that's a bill would do that, right. So
we know we kind of like this guy. We don't
have a spot for him on the roster. We're gonna
put him on the practice squad. So we don't want
him to go out there and put up ninety yards
of total offense and some meaningless preseason game and get
on the radar from everybody. Yeah. Yeah, so let's bring
in Jamichael Hasty to get all those yards.

Speaker 9 (01:47:30):
Welcome back, here's eighty carres three weeks and you'll be.

Speaker 4 (01:47:33):
Back not checking that.

Speaker 7 (01:47:34):
That would be one of those that's stupid.

Speaker 5 (01:47:36):
No, that would be one of those like three D
Chess things back in the Dynasty where we would be like,
Bill's just so much smarter than everybody else, you know,
look at what he's doing, and then like it would
be like Taylor, I'm.

Speaker 7 (01:47:48):
Gonna fully go to the other side because I want
to acknowledge there's another side of the possibilities and that
they haven't been overly impressed with land Larison and they're
looking for some ad depth at one of these little scatbacks,
and they know Hasty is an NFL player. Ish, Yeah,
maybe they bring him in and see if they can
get him up to speed. And he feels like this

(01:48:11):
secondary role as like a backup pass catcher.

Speaker 9 (01:48:14):
What about Terrel Jennings earl guy from US Shames, I.

Speaker 5 (01:48:17):
Feel like I think he's still in the mix. I
feel like feeding Terrell Jennings the rock in the preseason.
This definitely happened. That's a second half of the Preseasonterrell Jennings.

Speaker 7 (01:48:25):
I'll be saying, yeah, believe me, I'll be saying that
Mike do So, Paul Perillo or fan favorites of Cearrel
Jennings at some.

Speaker 5 (01:48:31):
Point among property on Terrell Jennings.

Speaker 7 (01:48:34):
Island correct, Curtis and Lewis your little phrases though.

Speaker 4 (01:48:40):
Curtis and Saint Louis. There's been a lot of talk
recently about how the Patriots should be on the phones
trying to trade for Michael Parsons. Nick Cattle's says it's
a no brainer, Chris can't have ESPN says they should
be the front runners in the pursuit, and many others
preaching this move would make them play of contenders. I
personally disagree. One, I do not believe he's going anywhere.

(01:49:01):
Although I can't stand Jerry Jones, He's not a dummy. Dude,
knows what he's doing. Prs PR.

Speaker 7 (01:49:06):
Secondly, so you don't disagree, you don't think he's going
to get traded. That's what he said, Yeah, right, doesn't
disagree with first thing, that the Patriots should be interested
in MIKEAEH. Parsons. Secondly, my first reason is he's not
going to get traded.

Speaker 4 (01:49:17):
Secondly, what would it take in a trade to acquire him?
I feel it would be way too rich for this
current Patriots team. I look at the Khalil Matc trade
to Chicago as reference. I wanted to know where you
guys stand on Parsons.

Speaker 5 (01:49:30):
Yeah, I think it'd take two first round packs.

Speaker 7 (01:49:31):
I need to know what the compensation is, but.

Speaker 5 (01:49:34):
I think it would take two first round picks.

Speaker 7 (01:49:35):
I don't know why you wouldn't be interested in that.

Speaker 4 (01:49:38):
Would you give up to my first round?

Speaker 7 (01:49:41):
Probably really for a defensive stud in his prime. Talk
about Mike's side of the ball getting to the point
where they're just about dominant.

Speaker 9 (01:49:51):
Well, you know it's hard.

Speaker 6 (01:49:53):
I like, I love that player, and he would change
the whole dynamic of everything. You know, But there's also
just this weird part of me that likes, you know,
doing it the old fashioned way and building break.

Speaker 4 (01:50:03):
One of the reasons why you keep that first round
pick is that reason? Stud? Yeah, okay, so spend the
first round pick on a stud?

Speaker 11 (01:50:10):
Got it?

Speaker 6 (01:50:11):
This is the book that's using the first round pick
on so does But then does that mean Christian zaliz
walks next to the season Why?

Speaker 7 (01:50:17):
Why does it mean that?

Speaker 9 (01:50:18):
Because you live in a place where just you got
the money, just spend it. Spend it, spend it, spend it,
spend it.

Speaker 6 (01:50:22):
Like you know, you think there's a certain point where
they're like Parsons, do they though?

Speaker 7 (01:50:26):
I mean like they do the actual just one good
player on a high, Like they're like Jamar Chase and
Joe Burrow make a lot of money.

Speaker 5 (01:50:34):
It's possible, you know that, Like like T Higgins, like
he's not going to be in Cincinnati for the life
of that entire contract.

Speaker 7 (01:50:40):
No, but I'm just saying, you can do it as
long as you want to. Sure, but like if you
don't want it, you don't want to. Mike might be right,
they might not want.

Speaker 5 (01:50:47):
This guy is a good example because like they just
gave T Higgins that extension. I don't believe that he's
going to finish that extension.

Speaker 7 (01:50:54):
But do you believe that Chase and Joe Burrow? Sure,
but well that's all we're talking about is two. We
don't need three.

Speaker 5 (01:51:00):
But then T Higgins, we'll see what happens during his extension.
Trey Hendrickson's is still holding out again.

Speaker 7 (01:51:07):
But we're not talking about multiple, which is talking about
just two more than one, is I guess multiple, but
not several, just two Micah Parsons and Christian Gonzales and May.

Speaker 5 (01:51:19):
Christian Years and Christian Barmore and Milton Williams.

Speaker 7 (01:51:23):
That's not that kind of money.

Speaker 5 (01:51:24):
It's not not any money.

Speaker 7 (01:51:27):
This is I think Mike's point is you're gonna have
to make Micah Parsons the highest paid defensive player in
football forty million right year. Yeah, that to me is
different than yeah, you know, twenty six million guaranteed. Yeah, yeah, no,
you're right, you know, like that's a different animal.

Speaker 6 (01:51:42):
He can't argue with talent. I mean, that's ultimately what
just appeals to you. You want to watch those guys,
those I mean, Michael Parsons is just I mean I
remember like the early mock drafts who were all like, yeah,
Michael Parsons at fourteenth the Patriots, I remember doing that
almost cut there, you know, I know it's taken him
in a blank.

Speaker 5 (01:51:57):
I think they would have I think they would have
run the car up there, like that's what all the
reporting has been since that draft is that if Michah
Parsons is on the board, Bill is taking Michaeh Parsons
and not mac gill, it would have been Micah Parsons
and Davis Mills like that. That would have been Now.

Speaker 7 (01:52:11):
I agree, he's probably not going to get traded, you know,
but it's funny. It's fun to just sort of throw
it off, and.

Speaker 10 (01:52:17):
It's not like it's arbitrary, like it would fulfill a
need in the coming years. We've said how many times
on this show that linebacker is sneaky a thing we
need to look at next season and if not free agency.

Speaker 7 (01:52:29):
He's just a really good player. He can make a
case he's the best defensive player in football. That's what
he's going to make that case. Yeah, he's gonna he's
going to exceed those contracts, right, I would think so.
And he's in his prime. It's not like like the
Terry McLaurin stuff that we've been talking about forever.

Speaker 4 (01:52:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:52:46):
I can understand some people being reticent because he's thirty
and you know, you want to give him big money
at thirty. He's going to have to come down from
that number.

Speaker 5 (01:52:54):
Yeah, I think the coolest thing about Michael Parsons to
me is how versatile he is, like Miles Garrett. Awesome,
don't get me wrong, But when as over the left
tackle and rushes to quarterback, which there's nothing wrong with.

Speaker 7 (01:53:07):
When he was on the trade block there for for
a minute, you know, I was in on that.

Speaker 5 (01:53:11):
Yeah, he's an absolute alien. But like Michael Parsons is
outside pass rush, you can find him up over the
center where he just demolishes centers. He can play him
off the ball like he's just gone. He's a he's
a great player.

Speaker 7 (01:53:25):
Crystables. Okay, micah uh, let's go to California.

Speaker 4 (01:53:30):
Jeff's on the phone, Hey Jeff, you guys journey.

Speaker 8 (01:53:35):
Yes, okay, I got a few things here.

Speaker 20 (01:53:39):
First of all, my one concern is that at my means,
do you think there's a chance they can pick somebody
else when I start that's what happened to him?

Speaker 8 (01:53:52):
Did you hurt?

Speaker 20 (01:53:53):
No?

Speaker 7 (01:53:54):
No, No, he's out there. He's been out there every day.

Speaker 20 (01:54:00):
You can get him to the practice pot.

Speaker 2 (01:54:01):
I don't think you can getisis what do you think?

Speaker 7 (01:54:05):
Think you have any problem with either one? I think
unless like something happens in the preseason and all of
a sudden, yet like twelve catches.

Speaker 5 (01:54:14):
Yeah, chism is uh, chism looks great like in one
on ones and seven on seven and route on it
on air and they get into the eleven on elevens
and I don't feel like I write his name down tone.

Speaker 9 (01:54:26):
Yeah, So like.

Speaker 7 (01:54:28):
That hasn't gotten many opportunities with the front line guys.

Speaker 9 (01:54:31):
Oh no, no, no, say it was point two with
heat saying tackles about hitting them up. I mean they
did last year. I mean that's what But that's what
you're gonna get.

Speaker 7 (01:54:39):
Like, so I'm not going to tell you you can't
pick up linemen that are going to become available, but
that's the caliber of lineman that's going to become available.
Everybody needs lineman.

Speaker 5 (01:54:46):
I think Williams, your tackles are better now than the
guys that you could pick up on the waiver wire.

Speaker 7 (01:54:53):
Right, But you know my point, like you, you more
than anybody, hammer home the fact that everybody is looking
for linemen. Yeah, so when they're releasing their alignment, they're
not going to be upgrades for you.

Speaker 5 (01:55:05):
Could there be a center if you have two starting
caliber tackles that you feel really good about you're already
ahead of like half the league.

Speaker 7 (01:55:14):
But do you think there's going to be a center
better than Jared Wilson.

Speaker 9 (01:55:18):
Well, I don't know. I mean, I mean, just maybe
better than Garret Bradberry.

Speaker 7 (01:55:21):
Maybe Ben. Oh, no way you're gonna get it. You're
not gonna get a starting caliber player.

Speaker 9 (01:55:27):
Ben Brown was the I'm just balling here exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:55:31):
Pascal has a would you rather? He said, would you
rather Draco undefeated or however close to undefeated is necessary
for this exercise, and win the Super Bowl this year,
then flame out and never make the playoffs again, or
make the playoffs every year for the next fifteen years,
but never better than the three seed, and win the
Super Bowl the year he retires.

Speaker 7 (01:55:53):
The second one, the second one a decade, so he
has a great fifteen year career and has on average
the third seed in the AFC. And I was about
to say, they tap it off by winning, Yeah, as
opposed to one great year.

Speaker 4 (01:56:08):
Right, and then flam out and never make a playoffs.

Speaker 7 (01:56:11):
Yeah, I'll take b I'll take that.

Speaker 4 (01:56:15):
I like it.

Speaker 7 (01:56:16):
Yeah, another good one. Emails have been strong today, strong
to quite.

Speaker 4 (01:56:18):
Stright, but it wasn't great because obvious well.

Speaker 7 (01:56:22):
That's for us, maybe not for him. Why do people
have to think like you, Fred, because.

Speaker 8 (01:56:26):
We know the facts.

Speaker 7 (01:56:28):
That's a good point.

Speaker 4 (01:56:29):
We know the facts.

Speaker 7 (01:56:30):
It's a good point.

Speaker 4 (01:56:31):
And you know we were the originators of the great debate.

Speaker 7 (01:56:34):
That is true.

Speaker 4 (01:56:35):
Also, Yeah, Santo was worried about injuries, and the old
days risk was less because next man up mentality worked
because there were few drop offs and talent. Patriots do
not have that backup talent. So if there are a
few injuries this year, I could see ten wins. If
the injuries are numerous, I could not see them winning

(01:56:56):
more than six games.

Speaker 7 (01:56:59):
Great unknown the injuries obviously hurt. I do have more
faith in Vrabel and his staff to overcome. Yeah, the
way that Bill did, I don't think. I think there
was a big gap a lot of times between the
guys that got hurt and the guys that Bill plugged in.
But they were able to sort of scheme around it
a little bit.

Speaker 5 (01:57:18):
I remember, and it might have been seventeen the Mexico
City game against the Raiders and they had to play
a backup tackle and it's escaping me. If it was
like well the Ladrian Wattle or like Cam Fleming. It
was like one of those guys and they were facing
Khalil Mack with the Raiders, and Kalil Mack like you

(01:57:41):
didn't even hear it, get his name called.

Speaker 18 (01:57:42):
The entire game, and it was like they just decide,
you know, that was Bill Brady. Black guy's not going
to ruin the game, right, Four guys out on round,
and I have faith that this coaching staff can do
similar stuff. I'm not saying they were as good as
Bill in his prime before that guy that yelled at
me for suggesting that Bill wasn't that good couple of
weeks ago. I'm not suggesting these guys will do it

(01:58:03):
better than Bill, but I think there's more of that
kind of a mentality that you know, Josh McDaniels isn't
gonna watch Will Campbell give up two sacks in the
first quarter and just say, well, we're block him better. No,
he's gonna start putting the tight ends over there, he's
gonna chip, he's gonna do different things.

Speaker 5 (01:58:20):
An of times that I heard last year, I'm putting
the jive guys into the pattern, like only have works
if you put five guys in the pattern, if you
can throw the ball and the quarterback's.

Speaker 7 (01:58:29):
Not on his butt after two and a half, Josh
won't bang his head into a wall and just allow
his quarterback to get killed.

Speaker 4 (01:58:36):
All right, killed, that's gonna be it.

Speaker 7 (01:58:39):
Change.

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Speaker 7 (01:59:52):
Stump, the moron.

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