Patriots Unfiltered 9/17: Steelers Preview, Locker Room/Injury Updates, Edelman/Parcells HOF Weekend

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Speaker 1 (00:18):
Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
At the end of the game, the defense looked pretty fresh.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
I was just sitting here waiting to, like, just chime
in with that, because some pointed out, no, no, there's
no way you put a friend all.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
Of a sudden asking a question at a press conference.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
I was like, is that is that? Paul I did
a double take. The boycott is over? Boy, you said
you're you're done with that.

Speaker 4 (00:40):
I never said that. I thought I'm trying to be cordial.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
I thought there was a boycott. I thought there was
a d'angelo's sub. That's ridiculous going please bring back three
points by Parola?

Speaker 4 (00:52):
So you you too, YouTube don't know ye, someday I'll
I'll tell you how important I used to be. Started
with five points from the money points. It cuts me.
It cuts down to three.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
In the fourth we get a kick return touchdown, a
pick and a sack. What do Pauline induce to toss
the wet blanket on the whole thing? Fellas, come on,
we get it. Improve us needed blah blah blah, but
we won.

Speaker 4 (01:14):
That's right, because I'm angry that this email was angering me.

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you tomorrow.

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Speaker 2 (01:39):
All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Wednesday, Sara
Jillette Stadium. It's deuced Paul Evan myself getting ready for
the Pittsburgh Steelers on Sunday. We're also getting ready for
the Julian Edelman and Bill Parcell's Patriots Hall of Fame
induction on Saturday. So it's a big weekend here at

(02:00):
Jillette Stadium and big show Today, Show Today. Goosey got
your brunt three quarter zip on, good for you, represent
good for you.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
Yeah, it's geting to be quarter zip weather, three quarter
quarters of u zip q zip weather.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
I think his first time.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Fauls got his ninety eight point five shirt that he's
going to be wearing today when he goes.

Speaker 4 (02:19):
On just a golf shirt.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
I know, but you've got to look good for ninety
eight point five. Yeah, get to the bottom. ILL be
wearing that Northeastern stuff on ninety eight point five. Wear
that here.

Speaker 4 (02:31):
You think I never won? You think I never dug
a hole before. I think I never wear my Northeastern
stuff on ninety eight point five.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
All right, So what do we got? We're gonna be Oh,
by the way, we'll be going to Rabel Live when
he starts at about twelve fifty five.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
Well, we're fromon digs in the locker room today, of course,
and I think everyone wants to know big news talk
about he's a McCarty b expecting big news.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
I hope, I hope he agrees with her assessment. Oh yeah,
let's let's see. I assume that there'll be I assume
that they'll be asking him about it in the locker room.
Somebody will Well.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
We'll see.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
I'll get in there with the mic and we'll get
the we'll get the answers. We'll get the answers we
need people. It's done the impossible. He's silenced.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
It's just, you know, this is good. I don't know
what's going on here. I thought they were broken up.
I don't know how they're back together. She says she's
coming to all the games.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
I don't know, thinks about billion butt lifts. I don't
know what's going onlicated.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
I just hope these kids can work it out all right.
But but onto football. I was watching the Twitter today
and one of Evans guys, Dan Orlovsky, had a very
good breakdown of how when teams run at or away
from Wat how much better the numbers are when they
run away from him, Like they they average around two

(03:51):
two plus yards of carry running at him in over
six yards of carry running away from him, and teams
and it's a good sample side out of two games,
it's like thirteen carries at him, thirty four plus thirty
four so carries away from him. It's not like they
only ran a couple times away from him and had
good results. And maybe, you know, what do you think

(04:12):
about that?

Speaker 3 (04:13):
Yeah, maybe even more tempting with Alex high Smith out
with a high ankle sprain, so you know, might be rookie.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
Jack Sawyer over there playing a little bit as well.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
So yeah, I don't know, I feel like I'm having
a tough time getting a beat on this on this
Pittsburgh team. I don't know why, Like they kind of
do what they do, and they got their guys that
they've had.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
But injuries and I don't know, there's just something I
can't feel.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
I can't quite put my finger on it where I
feel like I know what team this is right now.
I don't know if that sounds weird, but maybe it's
because my computer didn't work almost well.

Speaker 7 (04:41):
It's because they're better on paper than what they've played
in the first two weeks.

Speaker 4 (04:45):
It is defensively, I didn't realize all those guys were out,
to be honest with you, so I feel like I
was really I was taking a boose no, because I
was just like everybody else. It's like, you know, they're
not really stopping anything. I mean, guys are throwing on them,
guys are running on them. Two teams in two weeks
have squed thirty points. I know some of that was
not necessarily defense related, but then I'm reading and you

(05:08):
know they're missing two guys in the secondary for both games.
High Smith played ten plays. The other day. He was
replaced by her Big. I think the rookie defensive lineman
hasn't played yet Harmon, so that's like five starters that
they haven't had for the bulk of the two games. Yeah,
so now I can more readily understand why they're giving

(05:30):
up so much yardage. And I was looking at the
run stuff with Seattle and it's like Kenneth Walker dominated
them and Zach Charboney couldn't do a thing. Yeah, So
like how do you, like, how do you reconcile that?
Like I think Charpertey had something like ten carries for
fifteen yards and then Walker had like the same amount
of carries like one hundred yards, right, yeah, like how

(05:52):
does that happen?

Speaker 7 (05:53):
I was we were talking about that on Cash twent
two because I noticed the same thing. Walker averaged eight
yards of carry, yeah, and Sharboney couldn't do anything. But
I think the main reason for that was is that
they were running so much outside zone and like Sharbony
is just a big power running back, you know that
he wants to get downhill and run right at you,
whereas Walker's got you.

Speaker 4 (06:13):
Know, a lot of.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
Game.

Speaker 7 (06:15):
Well that was sort of my takeaway from it, and
not to you know, pick on Remandre after he just
had a great game on Sunday, But Gibson and Travon
Henderson definitely are more in the mold of a Kenneth
Walker than than remandre Is. And you know, to Fred's
like stat about running away from TJ. Watt, who typically
lines up over the right side, Like if you run

(06:36):
outside zone left and you get the edge on the
left side against their backups over there on the left side,
Like that was how Seattle ran the ball on Sunday
with Walker. So like that's kind of been the book
right now on on the Steelers, and kind to bring
it back to one of Paul's shows. You week one,
they ran away from Max Crosby the entire game and

(06:56):
everybody was up in arms that they only ran it left,
and they're and you know, they only they were predictable,
Like they're only running it left, and now the stats
are telling you to run away from TJ. Watt, which
means another game where they should be only running left.

Speaker 4 (07:09):
So if they only run left on.

Speaker 7 (07:11):
Sunday, this is why it's because Watt is on the
right side and they're trying to run away from well.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
And but then you know, it gets to that you
know cat and mouse game where okay, the Steelers know
what everyone else knows about that you know, you assume
they're going to make adjustments, because when I looked at
the tape when Orlosky was talking about it, they were,
i mean, their defense was gearing up for the other

(07:36):
team to run toward Wat Like it was like, aren't
you going to adjust here?

Speaker 7 (07:40):
Well, because there was a strong side of the formation, right,
they were putting the tight ends over.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
All, and then they're running against that right side of
the formation, right, So what adjustments are Pittsburgh going to make?
And I would imagine that it's going to declare early.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
Well, I'd say there were a couple of tweets this
morning pointing to say, you know, lamenting that Mike Tomlin
doesn't adjust enough and does do enough with his scheme
and just you know, kind of allows his players to,
you know, try to make plays. And you know, maybe
that's part of the confusion for me is when I
see you know, Jalen Ramsey and uh, you know Watt
and et cetera, those guys, Cameron Hayward, you know, you

(08:14):
just think these guys are always going to be in
for a dogfight. And I think I always felt that
way generally going into the Steeler game. And then Brady,
which is unleash an aerial assault upon them.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
So I don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (08:24):
That is one thing that kind of worries me, like
their run defenses. You know, guys just talked about it.
Cameron Hayward basically took the summer off, so maybe he's
going to be a little bit more ready, you know,
with a couple of games under his belt. Maybe he's
a little bit more in shape. He made a play
in that game that was just unbelievable individual effort on

(08:45):
a fourth down that he basically created a turnoverall by himself.
It was amazing. But maybe that might be part of
the problem with the you know, the the problems up
front because they usually even when they even when the
Patriots used to shred them like they were tough.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
To run the area.

Speaker 4 (09:04):
But most part it was Brady just picking them apart
and then doing what you said, Mike and not adjusting
because we do what we do. Wow, right, you know,
well it is great when he's just killing you.

Speaker 7 (09:14):
Yeah, it is an element of this game though. That's
on my mind is the institutional knowledge that Josh McDaniels
has of Mike Tomlin and the Steelers defense, and every
time Belichick disciple coach has coached against the Steelers defense.
The Patriots have had some success offensively, like even Mac
Jones and Bailey Zappy had success against the Steelers, you know,

(09:34):
in twenty two and twenty three. So I just I
think that that's a big part of this. And then
on the other side of the ball, you know, Arthur
Smith is the coordinator for the Steelers on offense and
that's Mike Rabel's old offensive coordinator.

Speaker 4 (09:47):
Yep.

Speaker 7 (09:48):
So I think there's a lot of knowledge of the
coaching staff here from a Patriots standpoint that you know,
as we go here, I feel like that's going to
be a real advantage for them with game planning. Is
Rabel and and McDaniels have a lot of experience and
they have based all of these coaches in the leagues before,
you know, in the league before, and this is another

(10:08):
one of those matchups.

Speaker 4 (10:10):
I'm kind of going to do that the thing I
was accused of yesterday. I'm going to do the e
or thing. Oh Brabizo and three against Pittsburgh as a coach,
because he was he was undefeated against Tua and that
worked out. He continued, he's three and oh Now against
Miami with you know, with Tua. So that was just
something that I noticed this morning. He hasn't beaten Pittsburgh.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
Should just point out to Jawan Bentley just signed with
their practice squad.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
Yeah, I want to talk about that dynamic peppers and
over there, but over under. Still on the Patriots rushing game,
Drake May thirty eight rushing yards over under.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
I'm gonna stay under. I'm gonna say over.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
I'm gonna say over too.

Speaker 7 (10:51):
I think they're going to play a lot of man
coverage and try to come after. Yeah, I mean that's
what they do. They play man to man, they blitz
a lot.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
But I think you're going to see some design runs too.

Speaker 7 (11:01):
Oh okay, Uh, the Jets did that in week one
and they had some success with it. I mean I
just justin feels a different different runner than than Drake is.
But they had some success within in week one, so
they could do that. But watching the Seattle tape like
it was, it was West Coast. Oh yeah, outside zone,
outside zone boot, outside zone, outside zone boot, and the

(11:24):
Steelers just could not stop it. So I just I
don't know why you would go away from that.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
Well that's but that's the thing. That's that gets back
to what I said before. The Steelers know that that. Well,
if I was another team, this is what I would
be trying to do because we haven't done well. So
they're gonna, you know, I would imagine they're going to
do something to rectify that. Patriots assume that they're going
to do that, and I think you're going to get
Drake May involved in the running game a little bit
to just get them on their heels.

Speaker 4 (11:50):
But didn't you just tell you that that's what the
Jets did did in Week one? But why wouldn't they
be ready to stop.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
That because we two seattle shredded them doing something else,
you know, which was very odd.

Speaker 4 (12:01):
I wouldn't want I mean, I think it's reasonable to
suggest over that total. But because of what Evan said,
if they're going to play a lot of man, that
opens up some scrambles. Like last year, he had plenty
of games that was over thirty eight yards rushing, but
they didn't really have any design runs. I don't want
to have him design run a lot in the red
zone or something, you know, like that's that's good, but

(12:23):
I don't I don't think I want to continue to
do with build on what they did last week, which
is exactly.

Speaker 7 (12:28):
What Seattle did against Pittsburgh. So like I just I
would just stick to it.

Speaker 4 (12:32):
Now.

Speaker 7 (12:32):
The one adjustment that I think Pittsburgh will make is
they play a lot of single high safety coverage and
teams are just running crossing routes against them and getting
guys open. I would probably expect them to play a
lot more too high in this game because they're going
to expect the Patriots to run the crossing routes like
Seattle and the Jets did, and so with two high
safeties you can stay over the top of both of

(12:52):
those routes. But at the same time, I just Seattle
Klink Kubiak's air offensive coordinator Shanahan. Guy, he'd hit all
the same notes to the Patriots hit down in Miami.
You know, bootlegs, move the pocket, outside zone, run the
football like it's all that. It was all the same
sequencing that the Patriots used to beat the Dolphins. So

(13:15):
until the Steelers prove that they can stop it, I
don't know why you would necessarily go away from that.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
Yeah, just for me, with Josh's experience and like we
talked about, with Brady being able to carve them up
through the air. I would be encouraging to me to
just see Drake carve him through the air and yeah,
you know, opportunities present themselves. Third down, everybody's covered, he runs.
But you know, to me, I think that's what I
want to continue to see is just Drake in command
and control. And like I said, we've seen these guys

(13:41):
get picked apart before.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
Maybe he's able to do it too.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
So move into the other side of the ball, Aaron Rodgers,
I mean, is goal number one to just hurry him
up and get screw with his timing.

Speaker 7 (13:53):
Yeah, I would come after Aaron Rodgers. Well, I would
come after him like move.

Speaker 4 (14:00):
Did you just have an argument with your boy about this? No? Hey, continue?
Then I don't know because I've heard Alex this morning
on one of my shows.

Speaker 7 (14:11):
Yeah, and I hear his point. But watching Aaron Rodgers
I mentioned the pressure to saccrate yesterday, like he can't.
His sack avoidance is totally gone. Like when he gets pressured,
he's going down. And I don't think he wants to
get hit. So if I'm the Patriots, I am teeing
off and I am coming after Aaron Rodgers, and I

(14:34):
am making him beat me with his legs, like, make
him move off his spot, get him rattled. I don't
think he's interested in sitting in the pocket and getting
hit at this stage of his career, and I don't
think that he can avoid it if they get pressure
on him. So I hope fingers crossed that we see
a certain number zero out there at practice today, because

(14:57):
getting him back and being able to play man to
man and then come after Rogers is probably the best
formula that they can put out there. I just don't
know if they're going to have the horses in the
back end to do it. If Gonzales can't play.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
If if he was back, how would you use him?

Speaker 3 (15:11):
I mean, is Carlton Davis more appealing with DK a
little bit more just because of the size or do
you feel good about that matchup with Gonzales?

Speaker 7 (15:18):
Yeah, it's a good question, And I actually don't hate
Carlton Davis on DK and Marcus Jones on Calvin Austin,
Like I don't think that's a terrible matchup, but they
use so much to tight end that. Like I'd worried
about who's covering Friar Mooth, who's covering John Hu with
the tight ends where if you have Gonzo back, like
maybe you can use Carlton Davis in that capacity or

(15:40):
Alex Austin in that capacity, and it just kind of
creates that trickle down effects. Let's so I'm out like
the matchups because I think they would actually be okay
with the receivers without Gonzo, because I do think Carlton
Davis matches up pretty well against DK, But it's just
the other guys that would worry me.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
John of Smith and plan them.

Speaker 4 (15:57):
I mean, I think it's a really good question, but
because of Gonzales' health, I think if you were one
hundred percent, I'm not. I'm not weighing those two. It's
Gonzales would be on DK metcalf for me. But it's
a I think it's a great point for what you
guys just said. It's not a terrible matchup for Carlton
Davis with his physicality, but I would want my best

(16:18):
guy on their best guy. And as long as it's
not like a small little jitterbug type that maybe you
know presents a different kind of a matchup problem, I'll
tell you I do kind of expect him to be
at practice. I don't know if he's going to be
able to play Sunday. I would if I was another,

(16:39):
if I was the opposing team, whenever he gets back
on the field, test him. I would just run nothing
but go ro. I would maybe even put one of
my secondary I would try to, like get one of
my secondary receivers and just run and just run them
on as many go routes as you could, just to
test it, to see how much, you know, how how
close to one hundred percent is he and can you

(17:00):
hold up? This is a long time.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
He would imagine it. If he's out there, he's one
hundred percent. Isn't that what this is all about?

Speaker 4 (17:07):
Yeah, well I don't think he's going to be one
hundred percent. If he played Sunday.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
Right hard hard three practices and jump right in and
that it would just be good to start the clock.
Like even if he's out there today, I don't necessarily
all right he's playing Sunday like I I mean, I
I forget I heard talking about it, but I mean, really,
Buffalo is kind of the target if you you know,
you really want him to get up to full speed.
So maybe get him back of practice this week. He's
him in next week. Against the Panthers and then you know,
really feel good about where he's at by the time

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you get the Buffalo.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
So if you're the Steelers looking at the Patriots tape
from last week, you're saying, oh, they're having trouble matching
up in the middle of the field with linebackers. So
it was yeah, you go after that question. Maybe they
have the personality.

Speaker 7 (17:45):
J Warren's been sneaky good for them to start the year.
But he's not each in. He's not like a speed running.

Speaker 4 (17:51):
Ganewell's a good scat back too, but not not that
way you're talking about.

Speaker 7 (17:55):
They do you have tight ends, So tight ends are good, Yeah,
Johnny Friarmuth. Uh, you know, Darnel Washington's a blocking tight end.
He's basically a third tackle when he plays. But they
do have good tight ends, and you know the middle
of the field will now, you know, with getting Gonzo
back and with Davis, I think that's where it helps
most because you can trust those guys to cover one

(18:15):
on one on the outside and then you can flood
the middle of the field with bodies so you don't
get Robert Spulane on a chan with a bunch of
space in the middle of the field, So hopefully that
that does happen. But with like Gonzo, even if he
just comes back this week and plays on third down
and he just plays fifteen to twenty plays on third down,
like just to get him back in to it like

(18:36):
he had. He didn't have a training camp, he had
no preseason games, he did nothing all summer long, So
like you have to have some sort of of build
up to get him ready.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
Is this a must win for the Steelers?

Speaker 6 (18:50):
No?

Speaker 3 (18:50):
No, No, I mean I mean from a certain perspective
of looking at Aaron Rodgers, what are you expecting out
of him? Like in that regard, I mean maybe like
this is one and done for him, right, I mean,
he's going to be done, So every game is valuable
to them. They only have so much landing path to
work with, you know, like the Patriots You've got Drake
May and you know if they were to lose this one,
you feel, right, well, we're still building something. It's like

(19:12):
time is taken for this iteration of the Steelers.

Speaker 4 (19:15):
Yeah, if I were a Steelers fan, that's what I
would be monitoring, Like is this going to be different
than the last two or three years? Are we going
to be held back by our lack of quarterback play.
Yeah yeah, and you're using these weeks to try to
figure that out. And one that looked like you weren't
going to be in week two, it was a little
more up and down, you know. He I mean, he
made some plays, but he Evan keeps saying it, and

(19:36):
I think it's it's worth repeating. He can't avoid any
kind of pressure anymore. So he used to be able
to be as good as anybody moving around, making throws
with his feet off the ground, and you just he
can still do all that stuff, but he's not interested
in moving anymore. He can't and he won't. So it's both.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
It's almost like he's like trying to show the other
team if you're not going too for me, I'm not
going to move.

Speaker 7 (20:03):
He wants to be in the shotgun and just pick Matt.
Yeah yeah, like pre snap, like where am I going
with the ball and I'm just going to get the
football out? And he can still drop dimes like he's
got great it's still got great arm talent, but that's
just what he does.

Speaker 3 (20:15):
But I mean, he's he's really good on I mean,
the athletic guy good on the run, like is he
still like are you still concerned about him breaking the
pocket and making plays on the run like where he
used to be where? Or are you just kind of saying,
like he can't really move, let's just send Barmore and
Williams right up.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
In the first game last.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
Year where we were thinking he couldn't move, and then
all of a sudden against us he could move all
over the place.

Speaker 4 (20:34):
He did. It was the one game in the two
year well a year of now plus two games that
he moved. It was, you're absolutely right. We all said
all those things and then he went and moved all
over the place.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
He used it all up against.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
Us, like him and Gino Smith, And I know.

Speaker 7 (20:48):
He can move by you know, like they do run
a lot of bootlegs with Arthur Smith, and like he
can still leg and like move by design. He's great
with the fakes and all that stuff. Still, but if
you get him under pressure, he goes down. I mean,
that's just he's going down thirty percent of the time
when he's getting pressured. It's it's a really high number.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
All right, Well, let's hope they can do that. We
need a home win, Patriots need a home win at
a stadium.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
We have a little bit of breaking news.

Speaker 7 (21:12):
I want to share it.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
Yeah, let's hear it.

Speaker 7 (21:14):
Uh Antonio Gibson Special Teams Player of the Week.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
Right, Okay, I did, Yeah, I did.

Speaker 4 (21:24):
I did.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
No good for uh Antonio when we were joking, you know,
if they lost, maybe the other punt return would.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
Have gotten it. But but no good for him.

Speaker 3 (21:31):
I what a what a run? Pulled away full speed
and uh yeah good?

Speaker 2 (21:35):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
I mean he had a bunch of yards too.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
I mean, I mean, I guess that's kind of the
function of kickoff returns now where you're going to pass
some more kickoff. I mean, he had like one hundred
and seventy yards, but you know he's getting twenty five
yards of a clip.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
But now he's been he's been solid.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
Him and Travon in the preseason hopefully continue to make plays.
I mean we talked about it a little bit. I mean,
that's a it's a legit play now, that kickoff.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
I guess you know, with the short amount of time
that we've had to review it, the new kickoff rule
is kind of good. Yeah, I mean it it has
increased I think I don't know the actual numbers but
it seems like it's increased the amount of returns.

Speaker 4 (22:10):
First, absolutely first.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
Touchbacks, and at the same time, because they're not running
full length, it has helped with safety. I don't know,
so it's done both.

Speaker 4 (22:18):
Yeah. I mean true, there's a lot of people that
have pushed back on the safety part of it, but
you can't argue that if they wanted to get the
kickoff back in the game, this adjustment has worked. Yeah,
you know, because I want to say, it was like
over seventy percent seventy five plus percent returns as opposed
to all those touchbacks that you had last year. I've

(22:39):
been a little surprised. I thought if the returns were
creating problems for teams, they would just start saying, well,
what's the difference between five yards? But just give them
the touchback and give them the ball. But we haven't
really seen it yet. Two weeks I think I haven't
really seen any increase in the touchbacks. I still think
that might happen, yeah, but I think it hasn't so far.
Teams have covered pretty well. Also, you know, I don't

(23:01):
know what the average I think everybody's starting over the
thirty yard line anyway.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
Well, but if it's short of the thirty five, then
there's also that chance that you could pin them back
even further.

Speaker 4 (23:10):
So I don't know, but my point is you're risking
a big play and you're still get them the ball
over the thirty yard line. Just give them the touchback
right like that. I think it's been a problem. I
think there's been a lot of big returns.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
What's the average drive start?

Speaker 1 (23:24):
I mean, that's a good kick.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
That yeah, I mean personally, I'll dive into stats until
like week four, but.

Speaker 4 (23:29):
It's too But you're right for that because it's too
small of a sample size.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
You're right.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
But it's also some.

Speaker 3 (23:34):
Additional pressure on the kickers to get it in the
landing zone. I mean, there was always that pressure in
getting it out of bounds and that was, you know,
a big no no for the kickers. But now you
go from making an extra point to now you've got
to land the ball in the landing zone.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
And and I guess because you need to be more accurate.
I'm surprised we haven't seen more really high kicks to
give your coverage team time to get there and set up.

Speaker 4 (23:58):
You can't do.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
You've seen more like chipsh It's almost that. It's almost
like you're pitching it on with a golf club into
that landing zone, which to me, gives the advantage to
the returner because the ball gets there quicker and you
know space.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
Yeah, what are we gonna say? No, what are we
going to say? I don't know. I want to hear it.

Speaker 4 (24:15):
It doesn't matter how high you kick it or how
it gets there. They can't move until he gets touched.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
Oh is that right?

Speaker 1 (24:20):
Right?

Speaker 8 (24:21):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (24:21):
Okay, they never mind.

Speaker 4 (24:22):
So that's why what teams are trying, what some kickers
are trying to do, is they're trying to perfect that
line drive that hits the ground in the landing zone
and then maybe gives the return. Kind of like what
happened to Antonio Gibson in the last late in the
first half, we've kind of mishandled, he babbled. It ended
up being irrelevant because it was the end of the half,
but they ended up being out of bounds at the

(24:43):
four yard line.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
Right.

Speaker 4 (24:44):
That's what they're trying to create, some problems handling the ball,
or if it goes in the end zone, that touchback
doesn't go to the thirty five, It goes to the
twenty right, if the ball lands in the field and
then ends up in the end zone for a touchback,
that doesn't go out of the thirty five. So that's
what the kickers are trying to do. But it's not easy. Yeah,

(25:04):
it's not a normal kick for no.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
I mean I kind of have to give the NFL
credit for you know, we were talking about all these rule
changes constantly, but this seems like one where yeah, you
got to watch the kickoffs now, it's not just yeah.

Speaker 4 (25:13):
I just don't understand why they can't just have the
kickoff the way it normally was. Why they had to
do this thing, And that's why I think there's a
lot of people pushing back on the safety thing, and frankly,
Vrabel's one of them who doesn't necessarily see why this
is safer. We're exciting, no, But what I'm saying is
you could have the same excitement if you had the
touch back of the thirty five. They would stop touching

(25:35):
it back just on a regular kickoff. Yeah, you know,
because I think it's kind of making it a gimmick
play now with the everybody lined.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
Up like that, Well, don't you think I And again
I don't have the data, but the fact that it's
not as long a run for the coverage team and
the collisions aren't as huge, that in itself makes it
a little safe.

Speaker 4 (25:58):
I don't know if this is not me talking, is
I'm just listening to some coaches that have kind of
pushed back on me of no, no, no, we're talking about
collicious We're talking concussions and collisions. They claim that this
doesn't really too much to their coaches. Okay, well and
it's not. And I'm sure it's not every coach.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
I'd just be interested.

Speaker 4 (26:19):
But some coaches that push back, well, that really hasn't.
Like Mike said, you know, we're talking about a season
plus two weeks where the data I.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
Thought that I was being a hard o for saying that,
and I appreciate the support on that point. I really
don't try to like get too carried away with any
stats right now.

Speaker 4 (26:35):
Well, and that's like the whole thing with like, and
I know part of it is reputation, but we're you know,
going back to the Steelers and you're looking at it
and you're like, well, wow, like two teams were able
to really throw the ball on them, and the Jets
were able to run all over them. I don't think
Seattle had as much success running as it's sort of
I mean, one hundred and seventeen yards, it's kind of

(26:56):
a pedestrian day running the ball. But Kenneth certainly had
a great day, averaging eight yards to carry. So you
sort of look at that and say, like, well, is
that what Pittsburgh is now? Are they just not going
to be a good defense this year or it's just
a tough start to the season and maybe the Jets
did some things that really caught him off, you know,
new quarterback with a different style of play. You know,

(27:18):
I don't know if we have enough to go on.
So heading into the week, I was thinking, you know,
everybody's going to be like, this is a great defense
for the Patriots to be facing. Now, you know, I
think Pittsburgh's gonna you know, like TJ. Watt to me,
I'd be very surprised if he has a quiet day Sunday.
He's had a pretty quiet start to the season. But
then I'm looking at all these guys, you know, Joey

(27:38):
Porter and Deshaun Elliott haven't played yet, or I haven't
played much. Derek Harmon hasn't played at all, Alex Highsmith's
a pretty good edge linebacker. He's going to be out
of this game with the high ankle sprain. Maybe this
is going to be another week that Pittsburgh's defense struggles.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
Yeah, you're embodying like what I said at the top
of like, there's just so many conflicting thoughts that I
have about this team in this matchup historically and based
on the first two weeks that I don't know, I
just don't feel like.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
I have a good beat on it. Everything you guys.

Speaker 4 (28:06):
Tell, I mean, we're a new team, really, and so
you know, yeah, one guy I would say after, is
there a new team?

Speaker 3 (28:12):
I know we mentioned him yesterday, but I'd like to
see Anthony Jennings active again. And I think he's a
useful piece against the big, physical team like this, And
you just seeing Jennings get out there, you're reminded that
he has an NFL skill set of being a really
tough sob on that edge, you know, and it's it's
just a good thing to have, especially when you never
know how a game is going to unfold.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
You know you can count on him for that.

Speaker 3 (28:35):
I'm curious how it lines up if ke On White's
back from his illness of last week? Is Keyon White
take a step back or is he right back in there?
But I really liked what I saw from anphony Jennings.
I think he'd be useful this week.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
Sounds good, all right? Jack writes in about the game
kind of about the game. He says, to prepare for
the game, the PU team should play stud or stiff.
For each of the five stealers below. Each member of
the team must declare whether he is a stud or
a stiff. It must be one or the other, no
middle ground.

Speaker 4 (29:05):
Okay, it's a tough game.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
Aaron Rodgers stiff Stiff really became Metcalf stud John Smith.

Speaker 4 (29:14):
See this is that That's exactly the guy I was
thinking of. I'm gonna have to say stud. But I
don't think he's a stud. But he's not a stiff.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
Maybe stud against our d.

Speaker 4 (29:23):
He's closer to a stud than a stiff. So I'm
going to go stud.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
T J Watt Stud Jalen Ramsey.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
He's getting stiffy.

Speaker 4 (29:31):
You closer to us.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
He's like the opposite of Johnny John is closer to stud.
I'd say they're both.

Speaker 4 (29:37):
I would say is closer to stud than stiff. But
he's not a stud anymore. That's a good game though.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
Coaching matchup. Do they have the edge?

Speaker 4 (29:47):
No, I don't think something. I mean, I mean you
should like, I don't think we should be going into
games thinking the other team has the coaching edge anymore.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
Yeah, you know, yeah, we'll see.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
I mean, we gotta get a sa ample size under
Vrabel and start to understand what his teams, what his
teams play like.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
And you know, it's just like again, it's just hard
to know what are you going to see?

Speaker 3 (30:08):
Is are rabel team's going to be consistent and pretty
close to getting better each week, or are they going
to be the kind of team that's up and down
and it was good last week and then this week
they're going to come home and maybe it isn't this.

Speaker 4 (30:18):
Like I knew the point that everyone was making when
he was talking about, you know, Josh McDaniel's familiarity with
Pittsburgh and then Rabel with Arthur Smith, but I think
that's kind of negated. I think obviously Tomlin has immense
knowledge of the Patriots, and Arthur Smith knows Rabel like
anything you have. Rabel to Smith. Smith has the Rabel like.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
Especially on they weren't looking at it, were together like
looking at the Patriots defense now, Arthur Smith obviously a
lot of what hentime.

Speaker 4 (30:44):
So to answer your question, Freddie, I don't think that
the Steelers have an edge, but I don't look at
the Patriots having an edge either, right. I think there's
probably two good coaching staffs. Yeah, you know, I don't
think kind of like the first game of the year,
you know, with with Pete Carroll and look at that
as a huge edge for the Patriots either.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
Yeah. Okay, eight five five Pats five hundred is the
hot line podcast at Patriots dot com. Is the way
to email us. I'll remind everyone that at around twelve
fifty five we'll go to Mike Rabel Live. We'll do
his press conference. Good thing we did that last week
because there was like breaking news we found out about
Carell Williams during that press conference. So you never know

(31:28):
what's what's gonna happen during the press conference.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
So we did hear from Rabele on Monday saying that
Turtles will be back in a round, But it doesn't sound.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
Like he's fully back back.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
He's around, but I don't know if he's resuming his
full duties still.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
Have Zach k place Zach. Yeah, what was I about
to say? I forget?

Speaker 8 (31:47):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (31:47):
And then what did Evan go? Not sure?

Speaker 4 (31:50):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
I thought he was gonna hang for the first It's like.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
Locker rooms after rape, right, So why is he leaning
at twelve thirty? I don't know, get in line for Diggs.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
What's going Maybe Barth the mergency or something.

Speaker 4 (32:01):
Yeah, because if Mike isn't until twelve giving a rush
to the.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
Hospital, that's Cardi Cardi B alex B Cardi B. No,
I'm not sure we'll find out.

Speaker 4 (32:11):
Okay, you just got it, because Mike is twelve fifty five, right, Yeah, locker.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
Room one time.

Speaker 4 (32:15):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
He just like ran out. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
Maybe felt like he emptied the clip of football knowledge
today after catch twenty two and you have nothing more
to say.

Speaker 4 (32:22):
I don't think that Evans ever emptied the clip before.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
All right, let's start off with Anthony and Seattle. What's up, Anthony?

Speaker 4 (32:31):
Hey, what's up my people?

Speaker 2 (32:33):
Hey?

Speaker 9 (32:34):
I checked the forecast.

Speaker 4 (32:36):
It's gonna be a beautiful weekend for.

Speaker 9 (32:38):
My first trip to Boston. It's also gonna be nice
in Foxborough. But Fred Hey, we're staying in Boston, so
obviously we're you know, we're gonna be seeing the city
and all that stuff on Saturday and then driving out
the Foxboro for the game on Sunday. But when they
have a vinch like that, isn't there probably a good
chance that they'd have them as like guests at the
game and maybe do a little something that at halftime.

(32:59):
I will be pretty cool to see jewels at halftime.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
Yeah, you will see jewels at halftime. Parcels won't be there.
He can only be here for Saturday, but they will
honor Julian at halftime of the game.

Speaker 9 (33:11):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
Nice.

Speaker 9 (33:12):
So I just want to I never do this, but
I did want to follow up on my call from yesterday.
I didn't get a chance to make my point before
Paul jumped in there, and then I wanted to give
duces flowers. But hey, Paul, all I was trying to
say is that when Patriots fans have done that in
the past with the blank amount of offensive points, you
made a very good point that I agree with, is
that that's one less possession for an offense that you

(33:34):
haven't really stopped. And so the same way I thought
Miami scored around thirty because their offense played well. The
Patris scored around thirty because they're typically when your offense
is playing well, you know, thirty points is kind of
you're going to be in that thirty point or better range.
So we can agree to disagree, but that was all
I was saying. We're as reduced, So as reduced, you

(33:55):
might not want these flowers because of how we're feeling
about the defense as a whole. And I agree, know
they got it, tighten it up and maybe Gonza will
help with that stuff. However, you know, you were on
this and I got this was it was cool to
see it come to fruition. But you know this that
first of all, the defensive stop to close out a game.
We've been looking for that stop for five you know,

(34:15):
for five years. But I just I specifically remember when
uh Rabo first came and was, you know, bringing in
all the new faces, and you on this show said,
it feels like they're they're they're building a defense that
has the ability, uh to deliver a CounterPunch and you know,
not sit back and keep everything in front and wait
for mistake. And yes, Miami helped out with some of

(34:37):
the down and distance situation. But the bottom line is
with the you know, two fourth down stops game on
the line, you're getting multipook pressures back interception like that
is the definition of delivering a counter punch to an
offense that's moved the ball up and down the field
on you all all game long. And I think I
think we're starting to have a little bit of that
fun that you were talking about a few years ago.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
All right, thanks Anthony, I was fun. I was fun
on Saturday. Yeah, I just I just wish it wasn't
so I think we would.

Speaker 4 (35:04):
I knew you were going to do that way I
could tell my.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
Well, I just it needs to be more consistent.

Speaker 3 (35:14):
And I mean we said it coming out of training
camp that you know, it seems like this is going
to be a lot of boom er busts. They're going
to make a big play, they're going to give up
a big play, and it's kind of been exactly that,
So you know, you want them to find a middle ground,
but at the same time make those big plays and
those you know, game ending plays are huge. So you
know that, I think that gives us a little positive
vibe about it all. But you know, when you look

(35:35):
at the real pressure and at all it was kind
of too doing what he wanted for three quarters.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
So uh, you know me, I like, I try, I
try to stay balanced, but.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
I only scored great points.

Speaker 4 (35:44):
They did that. The bottom line is they only scored
twenty points, and I don't think that they played defense
that would you know, sort of lead you to believe
they were only scored in twenty But that's all they scored.
And they were able to take advantage of the second
and third opportunities they got and they closed it out.
That's why I think that, like the most exciting part
for me was when they've been in that situation in

(36:07):
the past, they would you know, it wouldn't matter, like
they would just okay, so we got to go, we
got to do this again, and they would just do
it again. Well this time, you know, guy steps out
of bounds, get a couple of penalties. The Patriots closed
it out. That's me was the big difference. You know
that the Patriots came through and made the plays when
they had to. That's why all the stuff that went

(36:29):
wrong I acknowledge. I'm not ignoring it. I'm just not
ready to talk about it now because it was such
a departure from what we've seen for three years now,
two plus seasons, Like they couldn't get those stops against
the Raiders even in week one. From Week one to
week two, they got the stops. When the Raiders got
the ball back at the end of the game up
a score, they're throwing bombs over Carlton Davis to continue

(36:52):
the you know, chew the clock up. This week they
were able to stop them twice. That's that's big progress.

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Speaker 3 (37:28):
Starting to wind down the grassroom mowent a little bit now, Yeah,
starts to get cooler.

Speaker 4 (37:32):
Yeah, I really need it, because I told you I
was planning on doing it last weekend and I didn't
now I'm like scrambling. I'm not gonna be able to
do it this weekend. I don't need an an. There's
a power right through, even if it's a little long.
That's what you know.

Speaker 3 (37:46):
When you wait too long, then you know my mower
it's not an errand so I probably need to get
one because.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
It struggles when the grass, you know, and they said
by a week or two.

Speaker 4 (37:53):
And it doesn't get along to the point where I
can't mow it.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
No, no do errate and thatch. In this fall, I
try to thatch a little bit.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
I try to thatch. I haven't overseated yet, but maybe
next year. Don't do that. In the spring, I don't
do anything.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
You don't do any of that.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
No, mine's all just weeds and I just mow it.
And I've just moted enough. There's nothing.

Speaker 4 (38:12):
It's nothing like when you mow it and it's like
maybe like twilight, you know, a little dark, not quite dark,
but you look and you're like, yeah, I know, hunt,
I know how long looks fantastic because you don't see
all the little bear spots all the right, just dark
enough that it all looks not set.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
Out on the front steps and watching them like it
almost like a golf course out there.

Speaker 4 (38:33):
Right now, You like that like an hour after you
mow it, But when then you get up at like
ten o'clock the next morning, you're like.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
Different. And yeah, all.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
Right, let's go to Eddie Eddie in l A on
the hotline. What's up Eddie.

Speaker 10 (38:49):
Eddie's going guys? I just wanted to ask real quick.

Speaker 8 (38:55):
I know Evan.

Speaker 10 (38:57):
I think it was Evan that just said that, like
he's not really worried about Jay Warren. And obviously Devon
a Shen is like a different animal. He's highly explosive.
But I also don't know if the defense is, you know,
fast enough to cover the good pass catching running backs.
And I just don't want to see JAYL. Warren have

(39:17):
a big game because last week he did have like
an explosive catch that he took for like fifty yards
I think, and then the week before he did have
a receiving touchdown. So I just want to know what
you got. How do you guys think like you could
shut down Jenla Warren in the passing game. That's all
I got for you, guys.

Speaker 3 (39:31):
Okay, thanks, that's a good question, and I would definitely
look it's the Patriots linebackers are you know, a very
low you've got You've got to target them. If I'm Pittsburgh,
I've got to test that out. So you know, I
would find a way to use John new Smith, use
Jalen Warren and try to get them matched up. I
think some of it is a little bit of scheme,
and you know, Splaine just put in tough, tough spots

(39:52):
with you know, in space. I mean, there's not a
lot of linebackers in the league that can man up
on Devin Hm. Well, he's already got a little bit
of ahead of steam. So you know, hopefully those guys
start to getting gear. I mean, I think it's critical
for the for the defense, and I just it's been
a couple of tough matchups right out of the gate.
There's been some issues. Trying to be patient, but I'd
expect Steelers to target.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
Him for sure. Middle of the field.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
Middle of the field. Yeah, okay, let's go to Providence, Randy.

Speaker 11 (40:20):
Hey, guys, how's it going to that?

Speaker 6 (40:24):
So?

Speaker 11 (40:24):
Yeah, I called to ask I word about Roberts Blaine.
I mean, through two games, his production just hasn't been
what you saw on Vegas and I mean I think that, like,
not only is the a liability and coverage, but there
are times that he's just almost wortting lost out there,
like it's just not sure where he needs to be.
He's kind of floating around the action but not really
part of it. And I wonder if you guys are

(40:45):
concerned about like his fit in this defense. And then
you guys were talking about Jalen Ramsey earlier, and I mean,
I think that he's getting a little older. He's on
the wrong side of thirty, but he's done playing like
with his air on fire. In the past couple of
games from Pittsburgh, if you're watching those games, well off,
he's hit the hard pass break up left and right. Uh,

(41:05):
he have the Garrett Wilson one that sealed the game,
but he had a couple more last week too, and
in an interception, And I just wonder, like, how you
think we're gonna deal with him?

Speaker 1 (41:16):
I almost I mean on Spleen, I almost thought the opposite.

Speaker 3 (41:18):
I wonder if he's overthinking things and just getting too
much in his own head and just just play, dude.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
You you're you know you're a good linebacker. You've tackled people.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
Before, uh, you know, trying to force turnovers, trying to
you know, launch himself and then he gets to the tackle.
We know that play I'm talking about. Uh, I we
go in the locker room today. He usually he's talked.
I think last Wednesday he talked To'll be curious to
get by his locker to hear him talk. I mean, catain,
he should, he should talk. And somebody else pointed out
what I pointed out yesterday that I think was Reese
actually just saying. The look on Robert Splaine's face after

(41:48):
that game was not somebody who was excited about that.
They just want a game, So I mean, don't worry
about the extremely upset that.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
They don't worry about the big hit, just settle.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
In and play.

Speaker 4 (41:56):
Get out to his point, though, like I have noticed,
he seems to like out of position at times, especially
in the run game, you know, like he's jumping gaps
and picking the wrong one. And I'm not sure, you know,
I don't know. Obviously, I'm not privy to what the
calls are and what he's spoke, you know, what his
his job description is, but it does seem like he's
taking himself out of some plays as well, as some

(42:16):
of the mistackles that Mike is talking about. It's a
couple of games. He's obviously familiar with his defense. He's
played in it before. So again I'm going to go
back to that small sample sized thing. It hasn't been good.
I'm not trying to sugarcoat it. He hasn't played well. No,
but but I know what you're saying, play than this.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
Yeah, on that eight chance touchdown where you know, it's
like he set closer to the sideline like he's kind
of waiting, and it's like the model of the middle
of the field is wide open, and you know, like
we talked about the that that should have been the priority.
Like I'd rather force two or to throw the out
than to throw just a little slant across the middle,
easy pass and then it's a sixth.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
So yeah, I'm not going to get two worked up.
I mean, I know no one is more sad than
Robertspaline about this.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
That's why I think would be interesting to hear from
today and see what his mindset is.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
Joan into this week.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
Sounds good, Cody writes in props to the first caller yesterday,
forty minutes into the show, talking about the Dolphins game,
He asked, so, what did you think of the game?
Question for today? What do you think about the Steelers game?
What we've been talking about Cody. He's been all over
me though, he's been writing all these nasty emails. I

(43:23):
love it about shortening the pregame, show us that you were.

Speaker 4 (43:29):
Going to do that we actually did, you.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
Know, he always been all over me.

Speaker 4 (43:34):
That's the one guy.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
I think the our Frea game is great, you know what.

Speaker 4 (43:39):
I know. What I really like, though, is the the
increase of Cody is the latest of the caller on
cod Crime, the emailer email.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
I love it for absolutely. Darius Sis Spallaine actually looks
like an undrafted player so far. I hope he cleans
it up. Yeah, I mean he we know he can
do it. He's so let's just yeah, just get get
right here.

Speaker 3 (44:03):
I think it was just so surprising as he just
exudes such confidence, and I mean he has the stats
from the last couple of years. I mean, the guy's
all over the field making tackles, you know, so at
the very least I thought he'd be able to do that.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
The hope for me was, alright, he's going to be
a tackling machine.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
But is he going to be able to have the
tackles for loss, the passes, defense, the you know, pressures
and they have been using him as a pass rusher
a little bit, so he has he has delivered.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
Some of that, but you know, the other stuff, not
really at all.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
Yep, David writes in He's from the Philippines. Uh, this
is my worry about this week's game. Good Pittsburgh has
only been called for six penalties totaling forty one yards
so far this season. That's tied for the least penalties
called against in the entire NFL. Unfortunately, our team has

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had twenty one penalties in two games, which is tied
for second worst. We really need to clean up the mistakes.
We got away with twelve penalties against Miami in large
part because they also made a lot of mistakes. They
had ten penalties on their side, so we only were
two behind. Pittsburgh won't likely do that if we can
find a way to clean up our act and play

(45:10):
with minimum errors, and I think we have a shot.
If we continue to shoot ourselves in the head every
four or five plays, we won't. So it's interesting because
Rabel was talking about that, and he was saying that,
you know, his metrics, his key metrics aren't the team
with the least amount of penalties. It's quarterback rating, it's
run differential, and I think one other things and turnovers.

Speaker 4 (45:33):
That's win rate, win rate.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
And then you know, and he mentioned the stat with
you know, he said he looked it up and teams
that have the more penalties, you know, win lose at
about fifty percent. It's I think they lose at about
fifty three percent, so they only win forty but it
is around fifty percent where those other metrics he mentioned,
it is a big difference in win rate.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
Well, when you're not the most talented team, I think
you can afford to live in the margins a little
bit more. And for a new team that you're trying
to instill, you know, one hand, you want them to
be aggressive and tough and snarly and all those things
that they're trying to put into this defense and you know,
and offense personality wise, but you've got to be able
to clean.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
Up those things.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
So even if you know it's not the biggest priority obviously,
especially being at home, help a little bit.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
Too in Pittsburgh or you know, They've always been a
highly you know, in the past, when they were really good,
they had a lot of penalty Yeah, you know, but
they were so good that could overcome it. When you're
a middling team or not too good, you can't afford
any mistake. I would just say, even the slightest off side,
just the rails everything.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
Look at the Dolphins last week.

Speaker 4 (46:40):
You know, I heard my talking about that and he said,
you know, early in his coaching career in Tennessee, he
was considered himself a little bit of a playoff nazi.
Like he got he went out of his mind playoff
a penalty. Sorry, yes, And he went back and he looked,
I just feel like that that is so short sighted,
like to suggest, well, we went back and looked at

(47:03):
the data. The team that had more penalties doesn't necessarily lose. Well, like, so,
does that mean you should try to commit penalties?

Speaker 2 (47:10):
Like, No, that's not what he's saying.

Speaker 4 (47:13):
So he has his three win rate things right. So
on Sunday, just out of you know, your quarterback played
the best game of his career and won the quarterback
rating battle. You were plus one in turnovers, and you
had double the rushing yardage. So why do we need
to go down to the last play of the game.
Maybe because we committed twelve penalties? Yeah, like everything is important,

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like to see. And I know that Mike is not
saying penalties aren't important. I know that's not what he's saying.
But I just thought that was a little bit of
a lase fair attitude to it. The penalties. I think, well,
that's not really you know, an indicator of winning. Well, yeah,
I know, like did you play better or not? Like
that's usually the indicator of winning.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
Knowing him, he's trying to he's probably trying to nip
that narrative in the bud and a week long thing
that you know, penalties, penalties, penalties, and he's trying to
but you know, I can't imagine he does. He doesn't
care if his team.

Speaker 4 (48:05):
Yeah that's what I said. I'm not suggesting that he
doesn't care about penalties, right, I just thought there was
some of the some of the explanation to me was
a little short sighted. That's not a good way to
go about business. And was that a press conference or
was on the I think it was on the radio.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
The radio.

Speaker 3 (48:22):
It was one of the how he talks to his
team about it or you know, like he'd asked a
question and don't.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
Worry about the penalty.

Speaker 4 (48:29):
I mean, no, No, there is an element like and
it's not really nowadays because you can't really you can't
really play with an intimidating you know, nature like you
used to. But the Raiders that was part of their DNA, right.
You know, we're going to commit penalties, We're gonna kind
of do it intentionally because we're going to try to intimidate,
and that's how you know we're gonna end up winning
games as a result. I mean, teams don't really do

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that anymore.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Well, the rules don't allow.

Speaker 4 (48:53):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
You're gonna get kicked out if you do what they did.

Speaker 4 (48:56):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
Sean is in Virginia. Yeah, what's up, Sean?

Speaker 1 (49:02):
How you guys doing, Sean?

Speaker 12 (49:05):
Yeah, that's two point I want to make. Like the
first one is like, uh, like when I kept reirating
about like how the reason why the Patreparon was able
to replicate the success that the coach were able to
do against the Dolphins, I keep talking about the linebackers.
Libreck is not able to cover very well, move very well,
you know, and uh, and the safety player is not
as as great, so like say, it would be hard

(49:27):
for them and got like tours as far as try
to attack the zone. Uh and despite where he likes
to go in to the middle of the field. Now
with the second point, like the attack is that, I
really think they should really play Kyrie wins in this
game because that's certain things that I see with Jay
with Dylan Ramsey, like, I feel like they can attack him,
especially if he's playing safety in this game because he's

(49:48):
so sipping. He struggled against the shifty with our receivers, uh,
you know with the certain zones, just like where he
got beat on that touchdown on the right side by
that by Smith a jig. But I think one of
those receivers, I forget their name, but I really think
they should play Hie wins this game because of that.
That's all I wanted to say.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
Okay, thanks Sean to Shawn, Okay, yeah, all right, okay, yeah,
I hope, I hope the coaches are listening. Get him
out to get the game plan here right on Patriots Unfiltered.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
Well, I think they tried to take a shot to him,
like the second play of the game where they had
like three tight ends and he was the only receiver
out and was.

Speaker 4 (50:19):
The very slow developing pass was a deep ball designed
for him that he got sacked.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
Only guy on the route, only guy on the route.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
Danny's and Daytona d.

Speaker 8 (50:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (50:34):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 13 (50:36):
So I just had a couple of takes for you guys.
I wanted to say I didn't get to call in
on Tuesday, but UH, I wanted to mention that I was.
I was pleased with the performance on Tuesday or Sunday,
but I did not like UH the first week's game

(50:58):
with the Raiders. I agree with everybody's take on how
they should have won that game, but I'm glad they
turned it around. There's a couple of things I wanted
to mention with you guys. Paul, one of one of
your guys from your show was talking about UH about
how they should have just ran it back with Gerraw
because the defense looks just about the same as it
did last year. I know there are some new guys,

(51:19):
the communication it just looks terrible. And I don't know
if Mike Rabel should just call plays until Terrell's back
or what they should do, or maybe they should bring
an advisor and I don't know, it doesn't look great.

Speaker 12 (51:32):
It doesn't look good at all.

Speaker 13 (51:33):
And then the other take, did you guys see freaking
Taekwon Thornton? So what is up with all these Patriots
players leading the Patriots? Those are the chiefs and they
look like real NFL players?

Speaker 2 (51:44):
Is this something?

Speaker 13 (51:44):
Is it just a lack that we can't develop skill
players or like? What is that?

Speaker 2 (51:50):
So?

Speaker 4 (51:50):
I don't think they're being very many of those rank
I mean, I would say John Smith would be the
example of one of those guys that success he left,
But I mean for everyone of those, I can come
up with a you know, Juju who's done nothing since
he left.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
And Taekwony, like everything I've seen, looks like a different person.

Speaker 4 (52:10):
I'm sorry he's he's made some big plays for them,
he's been just like you would think Mahomes can make
anybody look good. I'm going to give Mahomes the credit
for that rather than you know Thornton. But that's me
being stubborn exact. But like Nikhil Harry, like he had
a couple of opportunities elsewhere, did he ever look any like?
I don't think there are very many guys that skill

(52:31):
position guys I'm talking about that have left and gone
on to greener pastors and all of a sudden, But geez,
he couldn't do anything here. Jakobe Myers did exactly what
he's doing with the Raiders. He did with the Patriots.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
Oh yeah, no, he's one that. Yeah, I mean, he's
done with everybody. I meant John Raiders. Yeah, I mean,
but but.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
He was a good player here, and he's a good
player there.

Speaker 4 (52:51):
He was good. That's good, that's perfectly poet. I mean
he's he's still good.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
Yeah, he's just in.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
He's still good, right, And I mean he would have
been worth the money he able to paid because he
would have been.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
But the amount of guys who weren't good here that
ended up being good on other teams, that's a small,
much smaller list.

Speaker 4 (53:08):
Yeah, And lately, like in the last four or five years,
there have been some guys that have left and they've succeeded,
but not like the skilled guy like the wide receivers
is what we're talking about. Aston Barrier, I'm going to
be very surprised to see. Yeah, that's not only was
he's done nothing like Nelson, you know, Nelson Agalor I.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
Mean a little bit.

Speaker 4 (53:26):
They're just like there, Like Agalore isn't any different than
he was in the Patriots. He's a second secondary guy.
He's like a fourth receiver.

Speaker 8 (53:35):
You know.

Speaker 4 (53:36):
You could make an argument, well, he's on a better
team now, so that's why he's just like hanging on
in the league.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
Yeah. One thing I do want to push back a
little bit about the defense. Yes, the numbers say that
they're having the same problems they had last year, but
if I look at elements of this defense this year,
I can see where they could be better. Yeah, and
not just like on paper. I mean Landry and Milton

(54:05):
Williams in the middle and and Barbara being back healthy.
I think eventually you're going to see a better defense
than you saw last year. Now that's a low bar, right,
but but I think you're going to see a better.

Speaker 4 (54:20):
Basically turn the whole unit over.

Speaker 12 (54:22):
Right.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
But right now he's saying, oh, you might as well
have had the same defense as I think right now,
right right, But I think you're going to see eventually
that this this defense gets better.

Speaker 4 (54:33):
I think so, I mean, I mean it'll be better.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
Yeah, they I mean they have some talent now, and
they just have to come together and again two games
like to hear what they have to.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
Say about it. Those guy's in the locker room.

Speaker 8 (54:45):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
So we're getting on. Uh, we're coming up to Variable
pretty soon. So up here we go. So I think
we need to go to vrabel Alex Is that right?
Maybe not not yet?

Speaker 1 (54:59):
Okay, scribes are ready, scribes are waiting.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
The scribes are ready, but he's not there yet.

Speaker 4 (55:04):
Okay, there's a live look in from one of my shows.

Speaker 3 (55:07):
Yeah, that's what everybody wants to see, the backheads of
the media.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
I just want to make sure we it's I'm just
not mine, you know. While we're waiting.

Speaker 4 (55:14):
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Speaker 1 (55:49):
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didn't get them dirty at all, did you?

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Speaker 1 (55:56):
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Speaker 2 (55:57):
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Speaker 4 (55:59):
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Speaker 1 (56:00):
Get him chewed up a little bit, just typical looking work.

Speaker 4 (56:05):
Do you think can you see yourself like shoveling snow,
getting the the Aaron snowblower out there?

Speaker 2 (56:10):
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Speaker 4 (56:12):
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new uh my new snow boots. Yes, So I don't
want them to be too nice that I don't feel comfortable,
you know, cleaning my.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
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Speaker 1 (56:22):
It's all on you know, Paul, you know you no help?

Speaker 4 (56:25):
Yeah, and a lot has changed in that regard me too,
my too useless. But I can't even call the other
one a putting pop anymore for what he's doing right now.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
So yeah, he's he's got a he's got a pretty
good tough.

Speaker 4 (56:37):
To get to talk to. Him last night. His voice
is all raspy. It's so funny.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
Used to get yelled at uh Low and Philly.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
Small note on Stevenson's two point conversion Sunday. It was
one of my favorite plays of the game, simply for
the offensive lines, excitement.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
After great that's a great call out, Wilson.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
Bradbury and on when you moved Miami's D line to
another zip code and after the play the excite and
Jared Wilson showed was contagious.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
Yep, I agree, I agree. I clocked that too. It's
a good call out.

Speaker 6 (57:05):
It was.

Speaker 3 (57:05):
It was cool to see, and you know, it's just
you know, Jared Wilson had been on the journey with
him a little bit, didn't know what to expect of him.
People were very high on his athleticism, thought he was
going to be a center, had kind of a position
battle all summer, and.

Speaker 4 (57:16):
It's true, I thought he would be starting at center
and the guard.

Speaker 3 (57:19):
But it's you know, it's it's always fun to see
how this point, how they fit in where they're going
to end up. And you know, there was even a
period of time where people are like, is he even
the right guy? And you know, just to see him
have a kind of tough game last week and then
come in this week and and have that play to
kind of seal it off and you can just see
the again. For me, it's all about just building confidence
and building belief, and those are plays where I really

(57:40):
feel like you see it coming off the field with
those guys.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
Yeah, good stuff. Let's see Matt and Wichita Kansas. If
you're saying we should expect a lot of man and
a lot of blitzing from Pittsburgh, do you think this
is a good game to sneak in a little Kyle Williams.
He would likely be up against their third best pass coverage,
and I don't think the league has really seen what
he can do. I think he's the best downfield threat

(58:04):
on the team, and the Patriots haven't really shown him yet.

Speaker 3 (58:07):
Well, I think that they tried to on that second play,
and I think that's just a little glimpse of you know,
how Josh I think, is gonna try to sneak him
in struggling think him back like of former draft picks
that made the team, and we're going to develop and
play and how Josh got them into the system, got
them experience, when they were young.

Speaker 8 (58:26):
You know.

Speaker 3 (58:27):
Edelman is like a weird example because he kind of
got thrown into the mix when Woker got hurt like
week two, and yeah, you know, yeah, I agree, it's
kind of tough. So I don't know, maybe you guys,
maybe that's something that you guys.

Speaker 4 (58:38):
I mean, McDaniels, they haven't developed a lot of I receivers.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
In a long time.

Speaker 4 (58:42):
You know, was McDaniels here from Malcolm Mitchell? Is that
like helped me out with my timeline. So he you know,
he was he was injured a little bit, but he
I mean he he probably contributed as much as a
rookie as any any of the rookie receivers did. He
would be one in that positive category. For the most part,

(59:03):
it's been a struggle. I mean, it's well documented they
haven't done well at that position. You know, we'll see
if it's any different with Kyle Williams. I don't really
I agree that he could be a good downfield option
for them if they're looking to stretch the field, But otherwise,

(59:24):
I'm kind of comfortable with sort of the three for
four spots that they have going, you know, and if
they have different game plan ideas with Mac Collins and
to Mario Douglas. That made perfect sense to me. Even
an idiot like me who's not breaking down the x's
and o's, I can understand what we wanted to be
a little bit more physical. We wanted to sort of
be more versatile out of you know, some of these formations,

(59:47):
and we wanted to make something look the same run pass.
You know, with with Douglas on the field, you probably
pretty much know it's pass because he's not going to
be as you know, effective in the blocking game. So
with Mac Collins you might get a little bit more versatility.
So I kind of like those three for the four spots,
and if Kyle Williams can continue to progress and works

(01:00:08):
his way into that mix, I think that'd be great.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
Yeah all right, Well, waiting for Mike Rabel. It's a
little late, not like him usually. What's that.

Speaker 4 (01:00:17):
Up here?

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
We go?

Speaker 8 (01:00:19):
Good? Yeah, so far, so good.

Speaker 14 (01:00:23):
It's been about three years since his team put together
back to back wins. How important is it in the
culture what you're trying to build, you know, to get
some moments on you with streams.

Speaker 15 (01:00:39):
It's always important to win as many games as you
possibly can. There's a lot of stats here, guys that
I'm not familiar with, nor am.

Speaker 8 (01:00:46):
I concerned with.

Speaker 15 (01:00:49):
Right the focus is, you know, trying to build some
consistency which would then lead to confidence and continue to
build on what we did and prove the things that
we have to fix, uh and then continue to eliminate
some of the things that we feel like I could
could get your beat and uh so I'm excited about

(01:01:09):
doing that today through meetings and practice and getting them
to uh, you know, get ready for a new opponent.

Speaker 8 (01:01:16):
Just like we did last week.

Speaker 15 (01:01:17):
We we cleared the deck and and focused on on
the next opponent.

Speaker 16 (01:01:23):
Like how is Terrell feeling and what do you expect
from him this week?

Speaker 8 (01:01:27):
In terms of it's.

Speaker 15 (01:01:27):
Involved, I'd say he's feeling better. I think that we'll
probably be upright and under the same premise. I mean,
Terrell's around. I just you know, want to try to
get some continuity and you know, with the situation probably
being fluid, you know, we'll stick to to the same
plan kind of that we had last week. I'll just

(01:01:49):
be uh more involved. I just want to make sure
that we're not in and.

Speaker 8 (01:01:54):
Out and in and out.

Speaker 15 (01:01:55):
That's all Christian I would expect him to do some
stuff today at practice, Like.

Speaker 9 (01:02:02):
On Sunday Travion had revolving calls.

Speaker 15 (01:02:06):
Do you play on working with him this week with
the lecture with technique to try to minimize that happening
try namp again. Yeah, obviously, I mean, of course, and
we believe, you know, in Trayvion's ability to protect him.
That's one thing that we think that he can do.
And I think if you ask Antonio, Antonio.

Speaker 8 (01:02:26):
Would probably be as much at fault as the one
on the kickoff return.

Speaker 15 (01:02:32):
I mean, I don't think you can really bounce the
ball out when we're kicking somebody out by the sideline,
So that one, I'll give him a pass on, you know.
The other ones, we just have to make sure we
keep our head up, stay square, and be able to
move our feet and not let them beat our feet
and grab them. So you know, two's too many, so

(01:02:54):
we'll just keep working on it.

Speaker 5 (01:02:56):
If Christian is doing stuff in practice today, does that
Sunday possibility for sure?

Speaker 17 (01:03:02):
Like one of the things we have to do with
talk about injuries is every we're not supposed to speculate,
but everybody's speculate as us coach, you said, how long
is it gonna be? He is beating at that when
something is imagined to take a shorter time and it
takes one.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
And I remember Bill talking about this.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
We don't talk about timeline because.

Speaker 8 (01:03:19):
We don't over recipe around us.

Speaker 17 (01:03:21):
But is it hard for a player to not have
his injury understood by the public?

Speaker 15 (01:03:29):
I don't know, you know, I mean, I certainly nobody.
I guess if everybody's looking for somebody to blame and
I'm not, you know, I mean, I'm trying to just
get them back as soon as they can get back
and make sure that they're staying engaged, and then you know,
we have to decide how.

Speaker 8 (01:03:45):
Long that's gonna be. Is a short term?

Speaker 15 (01:03:47):
I are all these different things that come into it.
But but everybody wants to blame if it's not in
some window that the doctor on in twitter uh suggests
or recommends. Again, having had a numerous injuries, they all
recover differently, and bad players that have recovered, you know, differently,

(01:04:07):
and it's like, well, why did one injury take this long?
And is it you know, the player not working hard
to come back? Is it the trainer's fault? Is it
this person's fault. You know, I've said this. The injury
rated in professional football league is one hundred percent. If
you play this game long enough, you are guaranteed to
get injured. I don't think you can avoid that. I
think it's just how you handle it and you.

Speaker 8 (01:04:30):
Know, kind of go from there. It just doesn't help you.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
Guys can put it off that how long somebody's gone to.

Speaker 15 (01:04:34):
Go, But I mean why because it could be shorter,
it could be longer, and then when it doesn't meet
the timeline, then somebody's going to come back and say, well.

Speaker 8 (01:04:43):
You said it was going to be two weeks. I
don't know.

Speaker 15 (01:04:46):
So instead of being wrong every single time, I choose
to just try not to say a timeline. And if
they are back in a week, then great. If it
takes a couple of weeks, and there we are, and
let's go for everything.

Speaker 17 (01:05:00):
From from a player's perspective, you.

Speaker 8 (01:05:03):
Would hotly crap.

Speaker 17 (01:05:04):
People are starting to take a stake it to.

Speaker 4 (01:05:05):
One that wish I could tell people what's wrong with me.

Speaker 15 (01:05:08):
This is a big understand and and I think that
that's great in this case maybe, but then it's gonna
be the next thing and the next thing like people
are you're gonna write. You got all pads and recorders.
You're gonna write whatever you want to write. They're gonna
think whatever they want to think. You know, I think
where to that end? Where would you stop? You know,
where would you stop?

Speaker 3 (01:05:27):
When you went back and watched the film, umturious what
you saw like the mistackles want.

Speaker 8 (01:05:32):
To tackle much better.

Speaker 15 (01:05:32):
We'll have to tackle Warren John hu Metcalf Austin. You know,
so that that's the focus. You know, that'll be a
critical part of this game plan. Those guys are great
with the boner hand. They run very hard, they're skilled,
they're big and uh present a challenge.

Speaker 5 (01:05:50):
Aaron Rodgers twice when you're in Tennessee. What's the challenge
of facing him? And is he still look like the
save Aaron Rodgers that.

Speaker 8 (01:05:57):
You saw, man, I think the ball can go.

Speaker 15 (01:05:58):
I mean when you see him extend the play to
the right and throw it down sixty yards or whatever
that was.

Speaker 8 (01:06:03):
His operation is excellent.

Speaker 15 (01:06:07):
His ability to find relief throws and plays that aren't
that he doesn't think will be positive plays.

Speaker 8 (01:06:14):
He finds relief throws.

Speaker 15 (01:06:16):
You know, would be a great challenge to be able
to find ways to affect him.

Speaker 14 (01:06:23):
Follow up.

Speaker 8 (01:06:24):
What they're doing is Arthur's offense.

Speaker 17 (01:06:26):
Versus how much of this is what arg has sort
of brought with him from Green Bay to New York.

Speaker 15 (01:06:31):
And I think Arthur's done things with multiple quarterbacks. I mean,
is he doing what he did with with Ritter where
they're running the zone read No, But there's also other
elements that he's done a lot of.

Speaker 8 (01:06:43):
And Aaron haven't played quarterback.

Speaker 15 (01:06:45):
As long as he has, gonna have things that he likes,
and so I'd say it's a blend.

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
I cat you have one last follow up with christ
Some players are getching to get back, maybe even too
early based on the injury.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
How does his mindset?

Speaker 15 (01:06:57):
As you know the locker room will be open in
five minutes, be able to ask him. I'm not going
to speak for his mindset. I mean that's just I mean,
if you ask me about anybody's mindset right now, I'd
say you just feel free to ask them. They'll tell
you exactly what their mind's thinking.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
What have you learned about him when it.

Speaker 4 (01:07:14):
Comes to motivation?

Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
And let's let's you know, everyone is wired differently.

Speaker 15 (01:07:18):
What do we really think that we can motivate really,
I mean, we're trying to inspire them. I think they're
all motivated. They're professional athletes, and if they're motivated by championships,
that's really great. If they're motivated in college because they
want to date the cheerleader, even better, if they're motivated
to earn a starting job, like I just think that

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thinking that we have to motivate them. I want to
inspire them and give them confidence and trust that they
can go out there and do their job.

Speaker 8 (01:07:44):
I think that's the.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
The player's personality.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
Do you have to approach each one different way?

Speaker 8 (01:07:49):
Well, yeah, we do that all the way, you know.

Speaker 15 (01:07:50):
I mean whether we're teaching them, whether we're trying to
inspire them, make a connection with them. I think you
just have to know the audience and know who they are. Again,
we've talked about having differ from personalities and trying to
have one one mindset and one mentality.

Speaker 8 (01:08:04):
So you know, I think.

Speaker 15 (01:08:06):
He's personally motivated, and I think he's earning a lot
of confidence, and I think just the decisiveness and the
ability to perform and seeing these things translate from the
first week to the second week was was really good.

Speaker 16 (01:08:23):
You guys had some more success in the ground game
last week, but there were still some inconsistencies.

Speaker 1 (01:08:27):
It seemed like maybe specifically was outside z on stuff.

Speaker 16 (01:08:30):
Curious, what do you feel like you guys did better
and what can you do to improve this week with
some of those issues.

Speaker 15 (01:08:35):
We'll just have to you know, handle a front handle movement.
You know, it's never going to be great, you know,
almost average five yards of carry. We'll try to improve
on that and kind of keep the scheme multiple.

Speaker 8 (01:08:47):
You have the involved with.

Speaker 4 (01:08:48):
Andy Cornelis and kind of saying like never lost the
faith you Why was that so important to just highlight
him after that game.

Speaker 15 (01:08:56):
Well, we'll play a lot of rookies and you know
that one in particular. You know, when there's a missed
combination block. Other than Taylor, I don't think anybody else
is going to notice. But when you miss a kick,
everybody notices. And if the receiver you know, lines up
in the wrong spot, and nobody notices if an offensive
lineman fall starts the entire stadium and everybody watching you know,

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so again, I just think that's a that's a job
that I wanted to recognize him going out there, and
it's a huge kick. The difference between three and six
and situations changed really quick. I'm sure in his mind
he's like, oh, we're going for it, I'm off, and
then all.

Speaker 8 (01:09:35):
Of a sudden, we're kicking. So to me, that that's
that's pretty cool.

Speaker 5 (01:09:39):
Like doing a story in Zach Korr to the best
I can tell, when you hired him in Tennessee, all
of his experience was on the offensive side of the ball.

Speaker 1 (01:09:47):
Why did you put him on defensive? Why did you
think he can handle that?

Speaker 15 (01:09:50):
Just because I thought his you know, we talked about
some of these trends from college, uh coming and you know,
nobody watches more defense than offensive coordinators. But you know,
he learned, he learned what we were doing, he brought
other ideas and then helped us, you know, bridge the
gap with some of those trends that were coming from
from college and kind of what they were thinking. And

(01:10:11):
was heavily involved and did our red zone stuff in
Tennessee and and really grew exponentially as as a defensive
football coach.

Speaker 16 (01:10:20):
Like you get a lead like you did, you can
run whatever offense you want. But it seemed like the
marriage can running pass was really strong. There is that
something that would just that's best for us against the
Dolphins defense or something that identity.

Speaker 15 (01:10:32):
You don't have to be the same thing this week,
you know what I mean, I'm going to really struggle
going forward if on Wednesdays we're reviewing the game. I
mean we do that on Monday, and uh, you know,
we got a tough challenge. Just you know, Pittsburgh has
got veterans, they got athletes.

Speaker 8 (01:10:46):
Linebackers are fast. You know TJ.

Speaker 15 (01:10:49):
Watt's going to be an issue. Her big have always
had a lot of respect for his game. Cam Hayward
will push the pocket back in the middle, and then
you never know where Jalen Ramsey's going to be a corner,
He's gonna be a nickel, is going to be a safety.

Speaker 8 (01:11:00):
So it'll be a huge challenge. Thanks guys.

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Speaker 4 (01:14:08):
That must have been a long time ago, because I
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Or a physical eight five five past five hundred. It
is the hotline. We just heard Mike Rabel. No big
news today, A little bit.

Speaker 4 (01:14:21):
Okay, Christian's Alice is going to be at the practice field.
He said, did we expect to see him out there today?

Speaker 1 (01:14:27):
Did he?

Speaker 4 (01:14:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
I thought someone says, if he's out there, would you.

Speaker 4 (01:14:31):
He said, expect to see we expect him to do
some things today practice. I think he said, okay, all right.
And then the follow up a couple of questions later,
was if he's assuming he's out there a practice, does
that mean that he would have a chance on Sunday?
And he said sure, yeah. So it was a little
disc saying there's a chance.

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
Yeah, I guess so.

Speaker 4 (01:14:51):
But last week. There was no chance last week.

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
Absolutely, it's progress, progress, So let's cross our fingers because
we need a little bit.

Speaker 4 (01:15:00):
Of an edgy mic today, a little bit. You know,
I thought he was cut off a couple of questions,
not confrontational.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
Like per se suffering fools.

Speaker 4 (01:15:08):
Yeah, but a little leggie, A little leggie. I mean,
you know, I like that. I like, well, he was
like Edgie Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
He was like five minutes late. So maybe if there's
something going on.

Speaker 4 (01:15:18):
Yeah, he did mention in terms of just news, just
catching up the news. He was asked about Terrell Williams
again and just I think he indicated that they would
kind of go with what they it's a fluid situation.
I think he said, we'll go with what we the
same plan that we had last week. So I would
expect Zach Koorr to be the defensive play caller again

(01:15:40):
in them to set things up the way they did
last week. But Williams is here. I'm not exactly sure
in what capacity he'll be helping out, but I.

Speaker 2 (01:15:49):
Am I'm totally with him on his philosophy for not
talking about timelines for injuries.

Speaker 4 (01:15:55):
Oh yeah, most coaches would agreed with that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:57):
I can't win. But I remember George Seaffert with the
when he was with the Panthers, he would trot out
the team doctor, and the team doctor would be giving
you all that stuff, and I was like, what are
they doing over there in Carolina?

Speaker 4 (01:16:09):
Yeah, that's a different argument. This This seems to do that,
like Andy Reid does that. Mike Tomlin has done that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
But everybody heals differently, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:16:18):
But they don't necessarily the time, the timetable timeline is
not necessarily something they all get into. But they'll like
I've seen Mike Mike Tomlin started press conference with you know, uh,
you know, you know, Joey Porter has got a hamstring, Uh,
Deshaun Elliott's dealing with a sprained MCL and uh, you know,

(01:16:39):
Alex Highsmith's got a high ankle sprain. I've seen him
do that, but that falls short of it. But I
don't back and yeah, I don't think he necessary. I mean,
I don't watch all Pittsburgh press conferences, but I don't
think I don't think Mike Tomlin is then saying we
expect him to be out for eight weeks, right right,
you know, But I'm just kind of pointing out that
it doesn't necessar. I really mean, you can't win games.

(01:17:02):
Andy Reid and Mike Tomin have won a lot of
games in the NFL, and they've given a lot of
injury information over the years.

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
Darius and Louisville says, of course he's mad at me
because of course the defense is better. They have better players.
But Gerrod Mayo could coach the same exact results as
we are seeing now. Yes, Rabel is a better coach,
but don't blame slash credit the talent of the players
entirely on the coach. Did I do that?

Speaker 4 (01:17:25):
I don't think you did that. No, I would love to.

Speaker 2 (01:17:27):
Jump in, and I also said the results so far,
I can understand where somebody would say that, But it's
my prediction, my belief that given the players on this team,
you will see a better defense in time than we
had last year. That's all I'm saying. That's all I said.

Speaker 4 (01:17:47):
That is all you said, and I would expect things
to get better too. I mean, it's been a tough
start to the season. I mean they're down in the
thirties in a lot of categories. It's been a tough
start to the season, and they haven't exactly played, you know,
offensive Juggernauts. Both teams that they played, as I mentioned yesterday,
were completely shut down in their other game, especially the Raiders.

Speaker 2 (01:18:11):
As you can see, Deuce has gone to the locker room.
He'll be better.

Speaker 4 (01:18:15):
Try to get a little sit down with some defensive players.
And maybe you're heart to heart with Robert Splaine, because
I know that Deuce is hurting, and of course I
know Digs.

Speaker 2 (01:18:24):
A lot of you are on the edge of your
seat waiting to hear from Diggs on the latest announcement
by I guess his girlfriend Cardi b. I'm not sure,
so what you just like she said they were broken up.

Speaker 4 (01:18:37):
She said that my boyfriend, right, but at one.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
Time she took off one office into her Instagram.

Speaker 4 (01:18:43):
Yeah, but I don't think she said that they were
broken up. I think that there was a oh whatever
the public Uh yeah, you know so, but you you
seem to be calling into question this whole relationship.

Speaker 2 (01:18:53):
I'm not. I think it's volatile.

Speaker 4 (01:18:55):
Well, I absolutely think when you have famous people who
are often in volatile relation.

Speaker 2 (01:19:00):
I think I think it's entertainers, athletes.

Speaker 4 (01:19:02):
It's not like Drew and Mora, right, But you know,
it's not Drew And yeah, well only one of those
people were famous. But I think entertainers and athletes would
to me kind of lend itself to.

Speaker 2 (01:19:16):
A volage Chris Everett volatile, you know, right, Stefanie Graff.
And who did you go out with? Did you go
with Agasy?

Speaker 4 (01:19:24):
Andre you go out with? Or marry?

Speaker 2 (01:19:27):
Oh they got married.

Speaker 4 (01:19:28):
Oh they're still married.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
Those kids have made it. Those kids have made it.

Speaker 4 (01:19:32):
Andre Agassi originally with Brooks Shields, they were mad.

Speaker 2 (01:19:35):
That's it. Yeah, Brooks Shields all right. Back to the phones.

Speaker 4 (01:19:38):
We get just like how you just I don't know.
They saved it, like get they're together. But Fred's not
buying it. I'm not buying the.

Speaker 2 (01:19:46):
Real What to believe these days? Sean's and Vancouver? What's
up Sean? Sean?

Speaker 19 (01:19:52):
Hey, Fred, We've got to give you props for guaranteeing
the win. That was amazing at work. I hope you
could do it some more. We need that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
If I believe it, I'll say it. If I don't,
then I won't.

Speaker 19 (01:20:04):
Yeah, well I'm hoping you you believe that. Coming up
soon and then we'll get some more wins. I also
wanted to ask about the Sacks that. I know the
defense hasn't been playing great, had some issues, but it's early. However,
the Patriots lead the league with nine sacks. Do you

(01:20:25):
think they'll get four or five against Rogers this week?
And I'll leave it at that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:30):
Yeah, what's okay? Thanks Shall. What's what's the average?

Speaker 4 (01:20:32):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:20:32):
I think he had four? He was sacked how many
times last week?

Speaker 4 (01:20:37):
I don't know, but yeah, I would expect to see
the sacked total continue to rise. He's a guy. I
think Evan's stat about the pressure rate is eye opening.
Like that means he's getting good protection and still getting
sacked a lot because every time the other team gets through,
they sack them. Yeah, they're like over thirty percent. Sack

(01:21:00):
rate is very high. But you know, yeah, I would
expect the Patriots to get at least three.

Speaker 2 (01:21:05):
Well, tell me how good the Patriots offense is going
to be, and then I'll tell you how many times
they're going to sack them. Because if we can get
out to a lead and we're forcing them to pass,
then yeah we're gonna we're gonna be all over them.
But if it's a close game and they can be
balanced Pittsburgh, then our opportunities aren't going to be.

Speaker 4 (01:21:22):
And that's that's a good point. Like the game script
often you know, helps in that regard. But I would
also say, does Pittsburgh's offense have any success at all
like running the ball, and do they stay out of
long yarded situations? Because I this is funny. I never

(01:21:43):
got to get into it with Evan, but because I
heard his buddy Alex this morning on on Toucher and
Hardy saying, you don't really want to blitz Rogers, that's
really playing with fire, My thought was, yes, I know
that he is obviously seen every every defensive coverage that

(01:22:04):
you're going to come up with, He's seen it. But
I don't think he can avoid pressure anymore. So if
you blitz him and you get home, you're probably gonna,
you know, pull the plug on the play.

Speaker 2 (01:22:16):
And how good is his receiving core?

Speaker 4 (01:22:19):
I mean, I think they have good enough receivers. I
mean DK Metcalf's a good receiver and Calvin Austin you know,
is okay, you know, the two tight ends I think
are really good, and they have backs that can catch
the ball. I think he has options and you know,
to throw to, but I I would go after him

(01:22:39):
a little bit. I wouldn't necessarily blitz like they did
against the Raiders in the first game where they had
that high of a blitz rate. But I wouldn't sit
back like they did for the most part against Tua either.
I would want to get after him, and I just
it's interesting to me that the catch twenty two guys
ye have coming at this from opposite view points.

Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
You know, it's so funny. It's it's you know, talk
about you know, having the feel for the league. It's
is so often you have to figure out is what
you're seeing an anomaly with Pittsburgh or is this who
they are and they've got problems, And when it's early
in the season, it's really tough to tell. Uh, you know,

(01:23:22):
teams turn it around. Yeah, hasn't been bad, but we
might this might be who Pittsburgh is defensively.

Speaker 4 (01:23:28):
Defensively that yeah, we could just be sort of seeing
the beginning of the end of that defense. You know,
a little bit older, and you know, maybe guys aren't
quite as good. You know, Patrick Queen's been around a while.

Speaker 8 (01:23:39):
T J.

Speaker 4 (01:23:39):
Watts, no, no Spring Chicken anymore, cam Heywood. So maybe
some of the better players are getting a little older,
and this is the start of a decline.

Speaker 2 (01:23:47):
Absolutely, And you know, and we talk about Rogers, maybe
this is it for him too, because remember that last
year with Brady, he had a good numbers year, but
like he was getting hit a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:23:58):
Oh, Rogers, I think is done. Yeah, I mean I
he was terrible.

Speaker 2 (01:24:02):
So, like you know, we talked about last year when
they played US early in the season and Rogers was
the old Rogers.

Speaker 4 (01:24:07):
That was this one good game of the year is
a Week three or two or something week week three,
Week three ironically the same week as this.

Speaker 2 (01:24:14):
And he really didn't do it after that. Maybe that
was his last tarade. Maybe.

Speaker 4 (01:24:19):
And I know we had some good statistical games, especially
down the stretch last year. I just don't think he
played very well. I know that the numbers would tell
you he was great. I don't think he played great
in those games.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
Uh, let's go to Kendall in North Carolina. Hate Kendall.

Speaker 11 (01:24:34):
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Speaker 1 (01:24:35):
Guy?

Speaker 2 (01:24:35):
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Speaker 11 (01:24:37):
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Speaker 12 (01:24:39):
I'm kind of with fred Man.

Speaker 11 (01:24:40):
Can we can we finally get a home win? I know,
I know, so that's all I really want. Okay, what
we have to do to win at home.

Speaker 2 (01:24:52):
Score more points than the opposition. Uh, I'm only kidding, Kendle,
but I hear I hear you. It's like, no, they haven't.

Speaker 4 (01:25:00):
We had a lot of success. I mean, they won
the last home game, but that kind of didn't count,
you know, against Buffalo last year.

Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
But yeah, they absolutely didn't.

Speaker 4 (01:25:08):
Yeah, I mean the whole home rode like they have
won a lot of games.

Speaker 2 (01:25:12):
Thanks, Kendall. True, true, but he've been even beyond last year,
going back a few years.

Speaker 4 (01:25:18):
Our home record, but they haven't won anywhere, is what
I'm trying to say.

Speaker 2 (01:25:22):
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Antonio writes in I'm listening on a bit of a delay,
So if this has been asked before my apologize, I
was wondering that if Gonzo misses the next game as well,
if it wouldn't have been easier to put him on
IR for the first four weeks and be able to

(01:26:32):
elevate or being another defensive back for the time being.
Just curious now, I think if they knew that, they would.

Speaker 4 (01:26:39):
Well, if he let's put it this way, if he
didn't play against Pittsburgh and then he comes back and
he's sort of fifty to fifty questionable against Carolina, that's
certainly a worthy second guess. I think it's worth it
because even if you could get him for the Carolina game,
he's good enough player that I'll sit him out for

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three weeks without having a guarantee that he has to
sit out for four you know what I mean. Yeah,
he's a good enough player to do that.

Speaker 8 (01:27:08):
Boy.

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
Michael and Nebraska has two questions, says, if Gonzo comes
back soon and has an amazing year, would you ever
consider trading him due to his one injury history, only
four games his rookie year, sixteen last year, and now
his current injury. Two, his trade value may be at
an all time high. And three, he may want to
get paid a substantial amount this offseason.

Speaker 4 (01:27:33):
So this is funny. This is suddenly on my shows
yesterday it was Beatle and Zoe I think who brought
it up, and then Mike and Tony sort of, you know,
piggybacked on it trading Gonzales, you know, and everybody's like, well,
I think they asked Mike Grease. I think Beatle and
Zoe asked Mike Grease, would you trade Gonzales for a

(01:27:54):
first round pick? Mike said no, I would be interested
in something more along the lines of an established player.
And what Mike and Tony brought up was aj Brown
in Philadelphia, who has been kind of a bit player
in the first couple of games for the Eagles. It's
only twenty eight it's not that old, so still theoretically

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has some productive years left in him.

Speaker 2 (01:28:21):
We were talking.

Speaker 4 (01:28:22):
I don't know why Philadelphia would want to do that,
but just play along the hypothetical here. Would you be
willing to do that?

Speaker 2 (01:28:29):
Yes, see, we talked about I wouldn't at this point. One,
I haven't given up on Gonzo as you know, you know,
one of those injury play players yet, so I don't
think that to me, I haven't put him in that
category yet. Two, in my opinion, in the NFL, it's
a lot easier to get a really good receiver than

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a real good cornerback. I think there are a lot
more good receivers in the NFL than there are shutdown corners.

Speaker 4 (01:28:59):
So I would We talked about this off air a
little bit, and I would agree with Freddy's assessment there.
I think there are probably more elite receivers in the
league than there are elite corners. I don't think it's
much easier, but I think you're right. I would be
interested in that trade. I'm not sure you could get
aj Brown straight up for Christian Gonzales, but if that

(01:29:23):
you know, again we're doing hypotheticals here, I would have
to think about that. I think that would be the
kind of piece offensively that could put your passing game
in a different stratosphere. Yeah, I would. Now, I'm not
giving up on Gonzales because I'm convinced that he's an
injury prone guy or whatever. I'm just wondering if I

(01:29:47):
might find something more valuable for my team.

Speaker 2 (01:29:50):
Right, I don't know if there's anything more valuable other
than a quarterback than a true shut down corner.

Speaker 4 (01:29:56):
Y see, I disagree. I think there's a lot of
teams that win a lot of games without true shut corners.
I don't know if you can do it without having,
you know, some offensive firepower. I don't know, But I
mean it's it's a great it's a great argument. It's
a great debate. And before say, I know, I just
opened myself up for all kinds of criticism. I'm sure
there are teams that have won without you know, it's like,

(01:30:17):
you know, the Cowboys traded Micah Parsons. Right, let's go
back to like this elite player getting traded thing. Did
you remember what happened in the immediate aftermath of the Micah
Parsons trade?

Speaker 2 (01:30:25):
You know what?

Speaker 4 (01:30:26):
You know what you don't need to win titles. You
know what never wins titles elite edge guys Suddenly like,
you don't need an elite edge guy because those those
guys never win. And I'm like, did I like, I
don't care what position they played. Did the Eagles not
like dominate the Chiefs in the Super Bowl last year
with their pass rush?

Speaker 2 (01:30:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:30:43):
Like, I don't care if it came from Milton Williams
and in whoever, I don't care if Josh Swett isn't
your eyes.

Speaker 2 (01:30:48):
Aaron Donald helped the Rams.

Speaker 4 (01:30:50):
Yeah, I mean those guys were dominant. Chris Jones was
dominant for the Chiefs, and they're back to back titles.
Like again, I'm getting off track. I don't know if
you know who is the dominant shut down corner for
the Eagles last year? I don't know, because they didn't

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really have one. They have really really good defense with
a lot of good players, was really good.

Speaker 2 (01:31:17):
You have to Yeah, don't get me wrong, I'm not
saying you have to have a dominant shut that in
order to win. But if you have a dominant shutdown corner,
it's it makes life a lot easier, it does, you know,
because you can put them on their best guy.

Speaker 4 (01:31:32):
But you know what, but you know what makes it
a lot easier, And you're right everything you just said
is I agree with I just think having dominant players
regardless of position. But but I don't think having a
dominant corner helps you anymore than having a dominant But
it's harder.

Speaker 2 (01:31:46):
To find those guys. And I don't know, I agree
with you if you and far between true shutdown, Yeah,
I think corner. But you know I'm talking you know,
the real guy, the real shutdown.

Speaker 4 (01:31:59):
Because you can you can go type, you can go
like Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson, you know, and those kinds
of receivers, and you can say, like you know, Ceedee Lamb,
the truly dominant receivers, and you can say I could
probably keep going into ten fifteen range. Whereas with corner,
to your point, you know, it's Patrick Sartan and Derek

(01:32:22):
Stingley and Sauce Gardner and Gonzo and you kind of
start running out, Yeah, when you look at it that way.
So I do think that you make a good point
about it being harder to get a corner. I just
don't think it's any more valuable to have that than
anything else. If you have a dominant player, you have
a dominant player. My feeling would be, I think A. J.
Brown's a better player than Christian Gonzales.

Speaker 2 (01:32:44):
I remember twenty fourteen and he was far from his prime.
We brought in Revas and yeah he was. I have
a different it was a big that was a big deal.

Speaker 4 (01:32:53):
Yeah, I have a different hole. Like I think, how
would that have been without the offense that they had.

Speaker 2 (01:33:02):
I'm just saying it put them up?

Speaker 4 (01:33:04):
Did Darrell Rivas? See That's like, I don't think that
put him over the top. I think Tom Brady did.
I think Tom Brady's kicking the ass from Jimmy Garoppolo
put them over the top. And I think that the
you know, I don't think Darrel Rievas and Brandon Browner,
you know, led a ten point you know, fourteen point
comeback in the fourth quarter of the Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (01:33:23):
If you remember back then in that era, you know,
two thousand and nine, ten.

Speaker 4 (01:33:29):
Defense was better in fourteen. You're right, You're right. I mean,
like again, on paper, facts are facts. It's like Felger facts,
you know, like they had defenses that were good, that
they had an offense that was good enough to get
to the Super Bowl, but the defense wasn't good enough
for them to win it, right, And then in fourteen
they brought in Browner, and they brought in Revis and
the defense improved and they were good enough to win it.

(01:33:51):
I can't argue with that, that's fact, but I think
Brady was just that much better and that's why they
won the Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (01:33:58):
The other question Mike and the brown is why do
you think Kyle Williams only played seven snaps against the
Raiders and ten against the Dolphins. Is he just not
good enough yet or are they waiting for something? Is
starting to feel like another Poke Baker situation, and I
hope it doesn't turn out that way. I just think
it's a numbers game at this point. Yeah, Like he
hasn't been that good where he's pushing people out of

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the way.

Speaker 4 (01:34:19):
I think it's the opposite of Polk. Polk played virtually
every play at this time last year and just wasn't
productive with it, whereas Williams, I think is biding his
time and waiting for his opportunities. And I think Mike
is right about some of the things that they sort
of tried with him a little bit in this game.
Right now, he's the fifth receiver. So the fifth receiver

(01:34:41):
is not going to get a ton of you know,
a ton of snaps. But I would also say a
lot of teams that the fifth receiver who doesn't play
special teams wouldn't even be dressed. So they must really
like Kyle Williams and they must see some potential in
him that they want to have him part of the
game day roster, even as a small role, and they

(01:35:02):
feel like he's developing. I still have some I have
some faith there. I think there's there's something there with
Kyle Williams.

Speaker 2 (01:35:08):
Paul and the colony. UH. With Burrow going down, seems
like the Bengals will try to unload some of their
big salaries this year, and Sin and Hagens seem like
obvious choices. But are there others on the team that.

Speaker 1 (01:35:20):
We could be see that happening?

Speaker 4 (01:35:22):
I think Coach, I think that they'll look at this
and say we can tread water and we can with
it two and zero, which they have not been ever
in this Zach Taylor regime. Right, I think that they'll
look to win games with Jake Browning like they did
two years ago in Burrow's absence and see if they can,
you know, find a way to you know, win enough

(01:35:43):
games to make it worthwhile for Borrow to come back
at the end of the year. I don't know if
that is that realistic. I don't know, but I think
it's it's definitely realistic that they can win games without Burrow.
They've done it before. Two years ago they I think
they won, went four and three without Burrow.

Speaker 2 (01:35:59):
I I feel better.

Speaker 4 (01:36:00):
So if you go four and three in the next
seven right now, you know, you're six and three.

Speaker 2 (01:36:05):
I feel bad for Burrow, but it couldn't happen to
a better team.

Speaker 4 (01:36:09):
No, But do you know understand what my point is,
you're snark aside, which don't get me wrong, I'm here
for the snark. If you were, I believe they went
four and three two years ago with Browning as the quarterback.
Let's say they go four and three in the next
seven games. So now you're you know, like I said,
you're six and three around the trade deadline. Are you

(01:36:31):
selling off pieces?

Speaker 2 (01:36:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:36:33):
Right, or you're saying no, we can go four and
three in the next seven games and then maybe Borrow's
back exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:36:39):
Yeah, So yeah, you only do that if you don't
think you can.

Speaker 4 (01:36:42):
Yeah, I mean if they if they go out and
you know, instead of going four and three, they go
two and five, then maybe you're selling off a piece.
But I think they went in for this year and
I think they got to see it through.

Speaker 2 (01:36:53):
Cole writes in do we take into consideration at all
the history of success the Patriot have had against the
Steelers heading into this game, especially considering McDaniels is going
to know exactly how to attack this defense, assuming it's
the same old Pittsburgh defense. If so, should we expect
a monster game from the tight ends our tight ends?

Speaker 4 (01:37:18):
Yeah? No, I know, any man, he's thinking of Gronk.
I what, like I would just I would ask, what
would constant trute? A monster game from Hunter Henry?

Speaker 2 (01:37:32):
Two touchdowns, eighty yards, two tuddies.

Speaker 4 (01:37:38):
I mean sure maybe. I mean I'm just thinking we're
thinking of Rob Gronkowski, you know, ten for one hundred
and thirty and two touchdowns, Like I don't think that's
going to happen. Yeah, do you know what I mean? Right?

Speaker 2 (01:37:51):
And you know, I know last week so you know
I'm going to be called a hypocrite here. We talked
all about the Miami history and going down there and
how hard it is to win no matter who the
team is, and oh and seven against Tua. So we
took history into consideration there, But I'm less apt to
do that this week with Pittsburgh.

Speaker 4 (01:38:12):
So I would be less app too, because it's Aaron Rodgers, right,
It's not Ben Roethlisberger, Ben Roethlisberger, right. You know, it's
not the same Steelers team. And you know with the
with the Dolphins, it was Tua and Waddle and Hill
and ate to the same guys for the most part
that you were going against. So I think there was
a little bit more reason to look at the history

(01:38:33):
with Miami than you would this year. But I have
I do have faith in the Patriots' recent success with Pittsburgh.
I think that's relevant and specifically what the emailer talked about,
Josh McDaniels has had a lot of success going against
the Steelers defense.

Speaker 2 (01:38:49):
Martin out of Kansas. Personally, I view the Steelers as
the cowboys of the AFC North. The mainstream sports media,
not you guys, hypes them up every year. Yet they're
just a speed bump for any team facing them in
the first round of the playoffs. As Paul said earlier,
on paper, they should play better than they have. I
see Drake May having yet another best career game with

(01:39:11):
our King Godora type running back room dominating the Steelers defense.
I don't know what King Godora me is. Ghid o
r ah, it's a Godzilla thing? Okay?

Speaker 4 (01:39:30):
Oh oh, all right? Three headed is that Godora? I
thought that was Rodan oh Gira? Okay, well, now it
makes sense because they have the three headed monster. Okay, good?
Good reference, Okay, good.

Speaker 2 (01:39:45):
The Patriots defense having Rogers run for his lifeball game
throwing two plus interceptions Patriots forty eight, Steelers twenty three.

Speaker 4 (01:39:55):
Well, if Rogers is throwing interceptions, then I could see
that happening. I don't see it throwing the interceptions. He
doesn't really do that. Yeah, I mean, you know he
has the best interception rate in the history of the NFL.

Speaker 2 (01:40:07):
Is that right? Yeah? Wow? Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:40:10):
He didn't even throw a lot of interceptions last year
when he's stunk, right, so I.

Speaker 2 (01:40:14):
Wouldn't because he throws it out of bounds.

Speaker 4 (01:40:17):
Well whatever, he doesn't throw a lot of interceptions, gives up,
doesn't try. Maybe I don't think he tried very hard.
Last year. I kind of agree, Dan, you're trying to
get me involved in an argument. You're not going to
I think nothing like. I couldn't think less of his professionalism.

Speaker 2 (01:40:32):
Yeah, I wouldn't throw interceptions either. Fighting Try Dan in
Virginia and Michigan. I don't like Rogers or the Steelers
at all. It would be the most Jets thing. However, However,
if Rogers did well this year and the two years
of his lowest production were the two years he was
with the Jets. There was some discussion yesterday about naming

(01:40:53):
the win against Miami. How about marvelous mess in Miami?
If you want to really amp up the ridiculous in alliteration,
it could be the marvelous mess in Miami that made
me a man. No, I think it's the Rabel kickoff game.

Speaker 4 (01:41:07):
I like the Rabel kick return. Yeah, so Rabel return game.

Speaker 2 (01:41:12):
Yeah, I think I think that's it.

Speaker 4 (01:41:17):
I was I was laughing there.

Speaker 2 (01:41:18):
I could say it's the main coming out game, but
it wasn't a last second win.

Speaker 4 (01:41:24):
So I'm gonna I'm gonna button hook you. You know
why I don't want to go with that because I
think we're going to be looking at games like this
is like pedestrian.

Speaker 2 (01:41:34):
Like and it wasn't like him winning it in the
last second.

Speaker 4 (01:41:37):
No, yeah, then I would say it was a coming
out part, right, But I think you're going to be
looking at games like he had on Sunday as pedestrian
like he wasn't asked to do a whole lot, right,
and he and he handled it fine. But man, when
he's really locked in and he's.

Speaker 2 (01:41:51):
Yeah, you know, yeah, yeah, the coming out game will be.

Speaker 4 (01:41:55):
Four touchdowns running around. Yeah, that's that's the coming out party.

Speaker 2 (01:42:00):
Mike and the OC. Not sure if you've addressed Tom
Brady wearing the coaching had set and assisting Chip Kelly
and the Hiders offense. Wanted to get your thoughts on
him if being a broadcaster truly gives him and the
Raiders an advantage. In any case, I'm still upset he's
in his position with the Raiders. The Patriots Organization has
done an amazing job rehabbing the relationship with Brady after

(01:42:21):
the split and honoring his legacy the best way possible.
Just wish we had him in our coaching personal office,
similar to Lway with the Broncos. So yeah, I mean,
you know, we were talking about it before the big deal.
Isn't that he's an owner of a team anywhere on
the field, the owners can do whatever they want. It's
that he's a broadcaster for Fox doing other teams games. Right.

(01:42:47):
That's where you know the conflict comes in.

Speaker 4 (01:42:52):
So, yeah, it's ridiculous. I think it's an enormous conflict
of interest and it's an advantage for them. So he's
not allowed to go to practice, right, He's not allowed
in the other team's facility. Right, that's the way they
have it. His broadcast partner is going to practice on Friday.

(01:43:16):
You don't think he's telling them everything he saw a
practice on Friday, Right, And you don't think this is
a league where teams go through unbelievable lengths to find
any in all information that might help them win a game. Right.
You don't think that that potentially helps the Raiders win
a game?

Speaker 8 (01:43:33):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:43:33):
Him knowing what?

Speaker 1 (01:43:35):
I think?

Speaker 4 (01:43:36):
Someone said that they have like Chicago this week and
then next week they play whoever they play. It doesn't matter.
They have a team this week and for Fox that
the Raiders are playing the following week. You don't think
that that could help him, right?

Speaker 2 (01:43:50):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:43:51):
You know? And I'm listening on one of my other shows.
That means EEI not the Sports Hub this morning, and
then really downplaying it. Wiggy was the only one and
thought it was relevant and they're really downplaying it. And
I'm like, well, what's just to stop them from calling up?
Like he's got a million friends, you know, Wes Welker's
on the coaching staff in Washington. What's to stop them

(01:44:12):
from talking to Wes Welker about the Commanders? And I'm
thinking to myself, what's to stop them? Wes Welker knows
that he's the owner of the Raiders. That's what would
stop him. He's not going to be forthcoming with him
on oh geez, you know what. You should see our
third downpackage this week, Tom and we're going to use
it against the Raiders too. Like that's not going to happen, right,

(01:44:33):
he is, Like, I think it's an enormous edge for
no reason. I think, much like everybody else in this
I think he needs to pick a lane, and I
think he should be forced to pick a lane. You're
either an announcer or you're a part owner. I have
no problem with him being in the coaches booth with
headsets owners do that all the time. I mean, ours doesn't,
but a lot of owners around the league are they

(01:44:56):
just look, what's the woman's name, and she's been doing.

Speaker 2 (01:45:01):
It for years Yep, Carly or something.

Speaker 4 (01:45:04):
Yeah, she I mean, she just has the headsets on.
I don't think she has input. She just wants to listen.
She's on the sideline, and she's on the sideline listening
to what the coaches are saying, like that's their Do
you own the team, that's your prerogative. You should be
able to do any and all of that kind of
stuff if you do that if you were the owner,
I wouldn't mind listening. If I was the owner, Yeah,
but but I would make it clear this is I'm
not listening. So I'm I'm like trying to keep tabs

(01:45:27):
on you. I'm I'm genuinely interested in.

Speaker 2 (01:45:29):
From the owner's booth, though, I'd have like.

Speaker 4 (01:45:31):
However, yeah, however it could be done, and I would
also try to do it as inconspicuously as I could,
maybe with like earbuds or something like that. But yeah, okay, yeah,
So I couldn't believe the NFL wasted time putting out
a statement explaining how it's it's within the rules for
an owner to be listening to of course it is.

(01:45:53):
It's the owner that's not the issue here. The owner.
The the issue here is the owner is also a broadcaster, Right,
have another pet peeve?

Speaker 2 (01:46:01):
You probably won't way Brady related or no.

Speaker 4 (01:46:04):
No, just in general, like, just because the networks spend
billions of dollars, we have to have these for COCTA broadcast.

Speaker 2 (01:46:13):
Meetings, I mean production meetings.

Speaker 4 (01:46:16):
Yeah, Like why you don't like it?

Speaker 2 (01:46:21):
No, you don't think they should get some backgrounds so
they come into the game a little bit more informed
for the fans.

Speaker 4 (01:46:27):
No, No, no, I don't. I don't think they should.
I don't think they should be privy to anything behind
the scenes. And I know why. Obviously it's money. All
the money they pay that much money, they got to
get something and return. I understand that. You know, the
media is here every day like they're covering your team,
they're promoting your product just as much as the networks are. Yep,

(01:46:50):
they don't get that access, right And I'm not talking
about us individual I'm just talking you know, like the
Boston Globe.

Speaker 2 (01:46:55):
I'm sure if klinis paid a billion dollars, they get
that right.

Speaker 4 (01:46:57):
But what I'm saying you shouln't be about you shouldn't
just pay for your access. That's I don't think it's right.
Welcome to America, I know, I know, Like I'm not naive.
I just don't like it. Do you know what I'm saying?
Like I understand why it happens.

Speaker 2 (01:47:08):
Yeah, but it's an age old tradition. I mean, even
before billion dollar deals they would have been having production meetings.

Speaker 4 (01:47:15):
But I can understand, like in the in the day,
they needed the broadcast partners to promote their product, right,
you know, it's different now.

Speaker 2 (01:47:23):
I remember speaking of Bill Parcells back when he was
the coach and Don Lowry was our PR guy before
Stacey James. Even, I said to Don, I said, hey,
don can you ask Parcels if I can sit on
the you know, the production meeting with NBC. Like he's
not gonna, I just ask him. So he comes back

(01:47:44):
the next day. So what did he say? He said,
He said, tell Fred he's not NBC.

Speaker 4 (01:47:49):
So, which is That's a great story, but it kindlantic no, no,
but it lends lends it to what I'm talking about. Obviously,
the coaches weren't real happy with it. They didn't want
other people in their preva. If we have to do
it for NBC, I guess we have to do it like.
They don't want to do that. They don't want to
give that information away. So when people say, well, why
is it such a big deal that Tom Brady, that's

(01:48:10):
the coaches. Don't The coaches think it's a big deal.
But at least Parcels did.

Speaker 2 (01:48:14):
Yep, and a lot of times, you know, you would.
I would imagine some coaches use those production meetings to
help them get something out there. Like they tell something
that they're hoping the broadcasters will repeat it.

Speaker 4 (01:48:27):
Like and on that thing that I heard this morning,
I think they had a clip from Jimmy Johnson talking
about like those meetings are useless. There's never been anything
that comes out of it. I used to not say
anything about it, and I was like, well, that's great.
That's what you did. You you were able to do
it that way. I think that it's also kind of
interesting that he's downplaying it as a Fox guy. I

(01:48:48):
know he'd retired, but he's a Fox guy. This is
the his network's broadcast team. That is, you know in question.
I just think it's disingenuous on Jimmy Johnson's part regard
he's telling you how we didn't tell him anything. Yeah,
oh okay, so you're telling me that there's nothing to
be gleaned from going to the Friday practice, and but

(01:49:09):
you didn't tell him anything, right, right? So what are
you like? So you were hiding it is what you
were doing. I just think, speaking of.

Speaker 2 (01:49:20):
Telling teams things, the Steelers signed Pepper's earlier and just
yesterday announced that they had signed j Want Bentley. Is
there any information that those two guys can give the
team that would help them against the Patriots? We'll talk

(01:49:41):
about my question.

Speaker 19 (01:49:43):
That none of them look like in the locker room.

Speaker 2 (01:49:52):
What was it like, Mike?

Speaker 4 (01:49:55):
What was it like?

Speaker 8 (01:49:58):
Sorry?

Speaker 2 (01:49:58):
A little crazy really back sooner.

Speaker 3 (01:50:00):
But we had, of course Stefan Diggs spoke, and then
we had Christian Zalez and we had AFC Special Teams
Player of the Week Antonio Gibson as well. So all
three of those guys was waiting for Antonio to get
out of the shower so we could interview him. So
that's why I'm a little later. Didn't get a chance
to talk to explaining or anybody on the defense that
was one of the things I.

Speaker 1 (01:50:18):
Wanted to do.

Speaker 4 (01:50:18):
No, you wanted to have a heart to heart with
your defensive mates.

Speaker 1 (01:50:21):
No, no, none of that today.

Speaker 3 (01:50:23):
But we did talk to Diggs, and you know, he seems,
uh saying all the right things, you know, and just
everybody theme of having a win and getting some confidence
and trying to build off for that and trying to
you know, keep the train rolling was kind of the
general sentiment.

Speaker 1 (01:50:36):
Christian Zalez, playing a little close to the.

Speaker 3 (01:50:38):
Vest, asked about, you know, did you have a setback,
And I don't want to talk about it. I'm gonna
be out there today. I'm gonna focus on today, and
you know, we'll see where I'm at the end of
that day. So yeah, he didn't set any expectations or
anything like that.

Speaker 1 (01:50:48):
So that's all good.

Speaker 2 (01:50:49):
And so yeah, what's the news.

Speaker 1 (01:50:52):
The news is that he's gonna practice no digs? Oh
uh no news.

Speaker 2 (01:50:57):
What did they didn't talk about?

Speaker 1 (01:50:59):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:50:59):
H asked him about that about his uh andy, I
don't talk about private life, so he kind of he
kind of shut it down. He didn't really he didn't
really talk.

Speaker 4 (01:51:07):
About it's not buying it.

Speaker 2 (01:51:08):
Yeah, yeah, you know, I just think it's you know,
he seemed generally a volatile situation.

Speaker 1 (01:51:16):
Oh, he seemed genuinely confused.

Speaker 3 (01:51:17):
When someone was like, so I figure with the quite
how exactly how they phrased, He's like, what what are
you talking about? Like and like, oh, you know, the announcement,
and he's like, I don't know. Let's see, I don't
really have my personal life. So yeah, playing close to
the Bob question.

Speaker 2 (01:51:31):
When you're with a woman and you both love each other.

Speaker 1 (01:51:36):
Yeah, the birds and the bees.

Speaker 3 (01:51:38):
Uh so yeah, that was so that was kind of
the vibe though in locker room Eber getting ready to
go out shells no no pads today, Yeah, and uh yeah,
we'll see from Evan once and I did find out
where Evan was. He was conducting an interview with Bill
O'Brien regarding a piece he was writing on Julian Edelman,
who's being.

Speaker 1 (01:51:55):
Inducted into the Hall of Fame this weekend.

Speaker 3 (01:51:57):
So that's why he he had to cut out on
our first hour after billyo for a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:52:01):
So there you go. Was this an approved piece that
he's writing, believe it is something that he's doing it
for his own block.

Speaker 4 (01:52:09):
His home block.

Speaker 2 (01:52:11):
Evan A lot of media.

Speaker 3 (01:52:14):
Sounded like it was auded, very crowded, and uh, I
don't know if you want my shoulders. Very tired, sure
holding the mics so you know ninety eight five and
I helped them out today Mark Capella, you know the
mic so but you know, it's like trying to hold
a two pound weight for five minutes like this.

Speaker 1 (01:52:31):
It's kind of hard.

Speaker 2 (01:52:32):
Hard. I don't like them, you know, enlisting you.

Speaker 1 (01:52:36):
Well, it was you know, you scratch my back, guy,
scratch yours kind of thing. Sometimes you get you get
closed out. It's tight space.

Speaker 2 (01:52:41):
You can't get in there.

Speaker 12 (01:52:43):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:52:43):
Maria Capello comes over and he's like, I can't get
in there. I cut in on it, like think Mike
shows someday.

Speaker 1 (01:52:50):
So I know, all good. We all work together as
a team trying to get those interviews. So some good
stuff today.

Speaker 2 (01:52:55):
Okay, all right, so Gonzo he talked, that's a good sign. Yep, yep, yep.

Speaker 1 (01:53:01):
Right at that, I was that was actually reminiscing you
came up.

Speaker 3 (01:53:03):
Paul was talking to Mike g r D and we
were talking about Stephan Gilmore and and you know how
he would and I said, yeah, Paul always say like
you know, people would be like, oh, he doesn't act
like a number one corner, and Pul's like, that's just
because you can't hear him quiet.

Speaker 4 (01:53:15):
He did in the best cover corner. He would say
stuff right Juju Smith, Schuster, He locker he can't get open?

Speaker 3 (01:53:23):
Was that was Tylaw in that locker too, or anybody
else in that that right by the.

Speaker 2 (01:53:26):
Door right there?

Speaker 1 (01:53:27):
I remember, I remember stuff being there.

Speaker 4 (01:53:29):
Law was over there. I don't know if he was
the end. Yeah, he might have been in the middle
of that bank, but he was on that. I mean,
that's obviously with.

Speaker 1 (01:53:36):
It rivass the corner you.

Speaker 4 (01:53:40):
May have been in that. It made it kind of
goes by number. So like all three of those guys
were number well not Gonzales, but Revis, Gilmore and Law.
We're all twenty four, right, so they were in that
general vicinity.

Speaker 1 (01:53:53):
Yeah, that's all. The mood was could good stuff, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:53:58):
Steph said, He's like, you guys, maybe you couldn't last week,
but you could feel like, you know, the mood last
week was definitely, you know, a little bit more down,
and you know this week you have a little confidence
built up. So yeah, he said, everybody's feeling good after
that win, and I think feeling like, hey, let's go
get a win at home.

Speaker 1 (01:54:11):
So also too they.

Speaker 3 (01:54:14):
You know how they have the nameplates up the top,
they're all digital. Now they were red for the throwback
game this week, so.

Speaker 1 (01:54:20):
I've never seen it. There was just a so just
a red haze all up, very bright, very bright, like.

Speaker 4 (01:54:26):
Christopher Walking when you said that red red Hay, that.

Speaker 1 (01:54:30):
Was a red haze about me. I could I was.

Speaker 2 (01:54:33):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:54:33):
I found a little bit much, but it was funny.

Speaker 3 (01:54:35):
One of the members and now you know what I'm
thinking about, right, he took this watch in his But
one of the members of media like, you know, it's
clearly if there's red everywhere, all the pat Patriots helmets
are out. And I heard one of the media guys,
just one of the camera brandom guys, like, oh, they
were in those white.

Speaker 1 (01:54:49):
Helmets this week. Bro, it's a throwback week. Come on,
get on our level.

Speaker 2 (01:54:54):
Okay, So they will be in throwbacks, they will be
in throwbacks.

Speaker 3 (01:54:57):
Okay, Ready, how were they against the Steelers in the
thing throwbably?

Speaker 1 (01:55:00):
Not too good in the seventies.

Speaker 4 (01:55:01):
I'm at I don't win in seventy six yeah, in
throw right, not throw the were actually that was the
throat then.

Speaker 2 (01:55:11):
Yeah, Patriots. There was somebody who wrote in and said
he's coming first time for a game.

Speaker 4 (01:55:18):
Well, Anthony and Seattle's coming.

Speaker 2 (01:55:20):
Yeah. Anyway, he just wanted some info about Saturday's uh Saturday. Yeah,
So the info on Saturday for the induction is it
starts at four o'clock in the Patriots Place Patriot Place
Plaza below the stairs. I don't know the exact setup,

(01:55:42):
but it's free of charge, So just show up, I would.
I mean, if you want to get close, I don't
think it matters. You know, you can. They're gonna have
screens probably set up so you'll be able to see
wherever you're sitting. You can sit on the stairs, you
can you can be anywhere. But if you you know,
obviously they're earlier to get there, the closer he'll be.
And I would say two o'clock is when you probably

(01:56:05):
want to get there if you really want to get close.
But otherwise, you know, just show up and like I said,
you don't have to pay. Parking is free, and it'll
be a great event and it's going to be Bill
Parcels and Julian Edelman starting at for you know, I'm
sure there'll be other speakers and video and and all that,
so that that should be really good. So if you're

(01:56:27):
in the area, check it out.

Speaker 4 (01:56:29):
Check it out.

Speaker 1 (01:56:30):
Yeah, any any people coming into town for these two guys.

Speaker 2 (01:56:35):
I don't know the guest list now, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:56:37):
I would assume Edelman is going to have a pretty
good guest list. A lot of guys come off for him. YEA,
be probably a pretty good party Saturday night, I imagine too.

Speaker 2 (01:56:45):
I wonder who I think Scott Pioli will be here,
Bill's son in law.

Speaker 1 (01:56:50):
Right, Well, that's that's.

Speaker 4 (01:56:52):
A great point for good chance, good chance, Dallas.

Speaker 2 (01:56:54):
I think some of the old writers will be coming back, Paul.

Speaker 4 (01:56:57):
That's what Matt and I would talk Matt, Matti Nosa
and I were talking about that today. You know, Kevin Mannix,
Ron Hobson, you know, maybe Ron Borges, some of those guys.
But I don't know, like does it lend itself to
being able to like really talk to parcels.

Speaker 2 (01:57:10):
I don't know. They loved him, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:57:13):
Yeah, I mean he had a great relationship with Hobby.
He was always very very fun back and forth with
Ron Hobson, who The.

Speaker 3 (01:57:22):
Award is named after correct good guy the media Good
Guy Award.

Speaker 4 (01:57:26):
You will not.

Speaker 3 (01:57:26):
But he would have back and forth as a good guy,
fun fun, fun back and forth.

Speaker 4 (01:57:30):
Yeah, yeah, all right, Yeah, I think this is before me.

Speaker 2 (01:57:34):
Unlike Belichick, who I really honestly think had disdained for
the media, like felt they.

Speaker 1 (01:57:39):
Would below hands people generally, probably, I.

Speaker 2 (01:57:42):
Think Parcels respected the media, especially the older guys, like
they're kind of his kind of guy, you know, and
he understood the job that they had to do. And
I think the more crusty you were, I think the
more he related. Yeah, because he was a crusty guy. Yeah,
but I don't being maybe I'm just you know, because

(01:58:05):
he's from that New Jersey, New York area, you know,
he's one.

Speaker 4 (01:58:10):
Of the areas that Fred's from.

Speaker 2 (01:58:11):
So yeah, you know, he just he just got along
with those types of guys better.

Speaker 1 (01:58:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:58:16):
Sure, like the I don't know, I'm just picturing the
old newspaper guy smoking cigarettes typing here.

Speaker 2 (01:58:22):
Yeah, there was a lot of that.

Speaker 1 (01:58:23):
That's what That's what Parcels was. He was the guys
smoking butts.

Speaker 3 (01:58:26):
And yeah, I'm excited to, like I said, I just
get him back in the fold just you know, see
what he what he has to say, and you know
how it kind of becomes full circle for that whole period,
which you know, for me was like really I was
a Patriots fan, but like once Parcels came in blood,
so that was like game on and that was that
was pretty I.

Speaker 4 (01:58:44):
Was always a Patriots fan. I'm not going to pretend
to have gotten on board, you know when they came.
But when they came, that's when, yeah, you finally will
like everybody else, now we're a legitimate franchise. And then
Robert buys the team the next year, here we go,
here we go, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:59:00):
I remember, you know, Parcel's what I was say, I
don't pay attention to one day, you know, and one
day I'm in front of the stadium and he pulls
up in his Cadillac and gets out of his car
with a pile of Global barrels that he's throwing away
that have been piling up in his car because you know,
he read it right right, and he saw me looking
at him, and he kind of smiles like you caught me.

Speaker 1 (01:59:23):
So no PFW's in there.

Speaker 2 (01:59:25):
Maybe all right, that's going to be it for this
edition of Patriots Unfiltered. We'll be back tomorrow at noon,
so we'll wrap it up. We'll do our picks. Any preview, Paul,
how did the gang do so?

Speaker 4 (01:59:39):
I mean this is a new Sheriff. I mean it's
just Alex's world and we're all living.

Speaker 2 (01:59:43):
In Oh is that right? Wow?

Speaker 4 (01:59:45):
Yeah, and I remain in the basement with the poop
Emoji's okay, I'm having a tough start to the season.

Speaker 2 (01:59:52):
Well, we'll go over it all tomorrow. We'll see you then.

Speaker 1 (01:59:58):
Hey, this is Deuce. Thanks for tuning into show.

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