Patriots Unfiltered 9/18: NFL Week 3 Picks, Steelers Preview, Garrett Bradbury Interview & Thursday Practice Report

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Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.

Speaker 1 (00:18):
CARDI b expecting big news.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
I hope, I hope he agrees with her assessment.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Oh yeah, well we'll see. I'll get in there with
the mic and move. We'll get the we'll get the answers.
We'll get the answers we need.

Speaker 4 (00:28):
People has done the impossible, He's silenced Perillo.

Speaker 5 (00:32):
I see Drake May having yet another best career game
with our King Gdora.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
I don't know what King Godora. It's a godzilla thing.

Speaker 6 (00:40):
It's because they have a three headed monster. Okay, good
good reference, Okay, good like.

Speaker 4 (00:44):
I don't think we should be going into games thinking
the other team has the coaching edge anymore.

Speaker 5 (00:48):
Well, tell me how good the Patriots offense is going
to be, and then I'll tell you how many times
they're going to sack them me.

Speaker 6 (00:53):
Famous people are offered in volatile relationship.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
I think it's entertainers athletes, not like Drew and Mora.

Speaker 4 (00:59):
What I'm saying you shouldn't be about you shouldn't just
pay for your accent. I don't think it's right.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Welcome to America.

Speaker 5 (01:03):
I think Parcels respected the media, especially the older guys,
like they're kind of his kind of guy.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
You know, I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
I'm just picturing the old newspaper guys smoking cigarettes.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah, there was a lot of that. Oh and then
when did it?

Speaker 7 (01:18):
Evan go maybe felt like he emptied the clip of
football knowledge today after Catch twenty two and he had
nothing more to say.

Speaker 6 (01:23):
I don't think that Evan's ever emptied the clip.

Speaker 8 (01:27):
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Speaker 2 (01:36):
All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered.

Speaker 5 (01:38):
It is Thursday here at Gillette Stadium, and we're getting
closer to a big weekend here at Gillette Stadium.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
We'll start with Saturday.

Speaker 5 (01:48):
We've got Bill Parcells and Julian Edelman coming in to
be inducted into the Patriots Hall of Fame. No Socks
and myself are going to be sitting down with Bill
Parcells to do a patch from the past episode on
the podcast.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
So I can't wait for that.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
I'd be intimidated, not gonna lie at.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
This point, I'm not back then, I would.

Speaker 4 (02:07):
Be yeah, you know him though you had a relationship
with him, because I felt that way, I am not
going to.

Speaker 6 (02:11):
Be able to to join and uh, I can make
it about it. No, I was telling Mike.

Speaker 4 (02:16):
I legitimately I would be yeah, on a little on
edge talking to a guy like.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
At this point, I think I can take him, yeah,
like physically, like if it came to that, you know,
I hope it doesn't. But anyway, no, socks would be.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
Uh he caught in the middle of that one. That
would be something.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
And so that'll be fun. That'll be fun.

Speaker 5 (02:40):
And then of course on Sunday we've got the big
game one o'clock Pittsburgh Steelers.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
H Up to this point, I don't really even know
what my pick is going to be. No, really, no,
I'm still I'm still debating.

Speaker 6 (02:54):
He doesn't know what his pick is going to be.
I know what his pick is.

Speaker 9 (02:59):
Right down. We'll see if you're right tortured.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
So so.

Speaker 5 (03:04):
Yes, yes, we will be doing the picks later. It's Alex,
it's Deuce, it's me, it's Paul, it's Evan, it's Alex
and Matt. Back in the booth getting the show done.
So what do we what do we know?

Speaker 2 (03:18):
What do we know?

Speaker 5 (03:18):
What's changed since yesterday at two o'clock when we ended.

Speaker 10 (03:21):
A show Christian Gonzales was that practice?

Speaker 6 (03:24):
Okay, but we knew that at two o'clock.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
But let him go, let him go.

Speaker 6 (03:28):
I'm trying to change. We didn't see him.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
We didn't actually have evidence of physical eyes on him practice. Yeah,
I think we did.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
Didn't do a lot.

Speaker 11 (03:40):
There is no way you could have seen him before
two o'clock at practice yesterday.

Speaker 6 (03:44):
That's when you guys were up there, right, we were, no.

Speaker 10 (03:46):
We were out there after the show ended.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
Evan was for his escort when.

Speaker 6 (03:51):
I guess I made the mistake of listening to the
head coach tell me he was going.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
To be at practice anyway.

Speaker 4 (03:56):
But that was when Fred said after the press coming,
it's no real news there, right, He just said that
Consunds is gonna practice, It's gonna do some stuff.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
Yeah, So he was listed as limited.

Speaker 11 (04:06):
He was listed as limited officially. We saw just individuals
and we saw him go through a couple of drills,
but nothing, nothing full speed or crazy at all. So
we did see him in Carlon Davis back together though,
doing the jugs, machines and stuff like.

Speaker 10 (04:22):
They were very very.

Speaker 11 (04:27):
But I wouldn't necessarily glean much in terms of how,
I know the question how is he moving?

Speaker 10 (04:34):
And like all, we didn't see him moving at full speed?

Speaker 5 (04:37):
Now, there were portions that you didn't see at practice, right, yes,
So I mean do we know if he participated in those?
I mean it said limited, but who knows what that
really means.

Speaker 11 (04:50):
Yeah, there's no way of us really knowing when exactly
they cut off his participation. So no, but we were
out there through individual periods and he was doing some
of the cornerback drills, you know, the different things that
they do at the beginning of practice there to warm
up and things like that. And you know, from what

(05:13):
we saw, like obviously again not full speed, he was
moving pretty well. So I think that there's some optimism that,
you know, he's headed back into the right direction here
with everything.

Speaker 5 (05:26):
What percentage would you guys put him, you know, participating
in the game, Uh, ten percent?

Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 4 (05:37):
Don't know, maybe maybe a little more forty Yeah, I'm
the most optimistic that never happens.

Speaker 7 (05:44):
Yeah, yeah, I mean maybe I just like to pleasantly
be surprised if he were able to go, but he.

Speaker 6 (05:49):
Doesn't want to be heard Again.

Speaker 11 (05:51):
I don't wonder at what point you could only do
so much in practice, and he hasn't had a preseason,
he hasn't had a training camp really, so in order
to get him live reps, the only way you're going
to be able to do that is in the game.
So even if you just put him out there on
third downs or something like that, just to get his
feet wet and get him back up, you know, into
a game and into live reps. I just wonder if

(06:13):
maybe that is the path that they choose, and so
they're not going to throw him out there and have
him play one hundred percent of the snaps on Sunday,
But can you throw him out there and you know,
maybe he plays twenty snaps or he's in the package,
or he's on third down or whatever the case may be,
just to get him back into a game.

Speaker 7 (06:30):
Let's get into the man zone thing a little bit
we talked about on the preview. You know, I think
Rogers facing a high amount of man coverage, which you
know makes sense. He understands where the holes in the
zones are and the Patriots have struggled and they didn't
play a lot of man defense last week, but the
first week they did. And you know, to have Gonzalez
back and enable you to play man and you know,
maybe allow Rogers to hold the ball a little bit

(06:52):
longer with good coverage, that's going to allow you, you know,
your four man pass rush to get home. So I
think it's a big game about that those man zone
splits on both sides of the ball and on and
blitzing like you know, I think that you can't really
blitz aeron Rodgers. He's going to know, so the front
four have to get pressure and on the other side
of the ball. Drake's seen a ton of zone and
Pittsburgh plays a lot of man, So I think this
is gonna be a different game for Drake.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
He's gonna have to you know.

Speaker 7 (07:14):
We talked about Pop Douglass maybe coming back in the
mix with his ability to get open, maybe Kyle Williams.
But they're gonna blitz and they're gonna play man, and
so I think there's gonna be a lot on Drake
getting the protection set.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
Knowing where to go with the ball. I think it
could be, you know, a chance for Drake to.

Speaker 7 (07:28):
You know, Josh seemed to have a pretty good beat
on this offense or this defense.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
Excuse me.

Speaker 7 (07:32):
But at the same time, I think Drake's there's gonna
be a little bit more on Drake's plate. Can he
execute what Josh wants to do against these guys?

Speaker 12 (07:38):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (07:39):
Do you think they're gonna be paying special attention to
t J Watt the for him of double teams? And
will they tell Drake, hey, don't worry about him, we
got him.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
I mean, I hope.

Speaker 7 (07:47):
So, you know, it seems like a matter of time
before they get right, and you know, they have too
much talent I think to be one of the worst
defenses in football.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
So don't let them get right against you.

Speaker 7 (07:57):
And again, I think a lot is on Drake being
able to pross us what they're doing, where they're going
to be blitzing from you know, TJ.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
Wats just such a simple piece of it.

Speaker 7 (08:04):
You know that he doesn't need to blitz, you know,
and he can just win by himself.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
So don't let them get going this week.

Speaker 7 (08:09):
Don't let them start to have the kind of game
where they get some momentum and they start to, you know,
feel themselves a little bit.

Speaker 4 (08:14):
So back to Fred's question about what you know if
you found out it, you know, after two o'clock, I
would go on to that injury stuff both ways. First,
I'm going to go with the Patriots and TJ. Watt
you mentioned did you happen to notice like Morgan Moses
and does he look the same as he did last week?

Speaker 6 (08:32):
You know moving? I know he's still on the injury
report with a foot.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (08:35):
I was actually slimping pretty good after the game.

Speaker 11 (08:38):
I was actually pretty shocked that he was out there
at all yesterday because he wasn't last week. You didn't
practice on Wednesday last week, and then after the game,
like you said, I think Doug Ki to the Herald
said that he saw him in a boot. I didn't
see that, but maybe Doug did. And you know, then
to have him see him get out there already on Wednesday,
I was pretty surprised that he was even participate.

Speaker 4 (09:00):
Yeah, that's something to monitor if he you know how
I mean, obviously you're not at one hundred percent, you
know now, but how much help.

Speaker 6 (09:09):
Does he need? Is he able to go?

Speaker 4 (09:11):
Because that could put the third rookie in the offensive
on the offensive line in Marcus Bryant, and I agree
with Mike TJ. Watt's too good of a player to
be held down. But on the good news injury wise
is there were a couple of members of that secondary
for Pittsburgh that have been out and they both didn't
participate yesterday. And Joey Porter their best corner and Deshaun

(09:33):
Elliott their best safety, they didn't They didn't participate in
practice on Wednesday. That's usually a sign that they're probably
not going to be available for the game. We'll see
if it updates today and they get out there and
they're limited today. Tomlin, I guess on Monday said he
gave them both a chance. They haven't played yet, so yeah,

(09:55):
they got I think Elliott got hurt in the open
or I'm not sure if Porter got hurt in the preseason,
were in the opener, but they didn't play last week,
neither one. That could be a huge, huge difference when
you're missing you know, let's call it two fifths of
your secondary. Let's say everybody plays five defensive backs, missing
two starters out of you five, that that hurts you.

Speaker 6 (10:15):
To look at how much Gonzales has affected the Patriots.

Speaker 11 (10:18):
Yeah, it's made them play Ramsey a lot more on
the outside, and I think they envisioned when they traded
for him. I think they wanted to play Ramsey in
the slot, and.

Speaker 4 (10:26):
Even Slay has seen better days. He's a good player,
but you know, he's seen better days.

Speaker 11 (10:30):
So I think they wanted it to be Joey Porter
Junior on one side, Slay on the other, and Ramsey
playing the star the nickel role, which he's an amazing
ad He's really good at that, and then they've had
to play him a little bit more on the outside.
And last week actually against Seattle, he had a rough game.
I know you had to pick, but gave up like
one hundred and twenty five yards in coverage or something
like that. So I don't think that Ramsey at this

(10:52):
stage of his career is like a pure outside corner
man to man anymore. So JSN Yeah, JSN and Cooper
Cup So I think that they would ideally like to
play Ramsey more in the slot, but they can't because
Porter is not healthy. So it's that's sort of what
has happened there. Alex Heisman is probably not going to
play in this.

Speaker 6 (11:12):
He's definitely out.

Speaker 11 (11:13):
Yeah, so that that's good news. As well for the Patriots.
Herbig's not a slouch though. He's a good rusher, but
he's not Alex Highsmith. So that's you know, they are
a little bit dub they are.

Speaker 6 (11:27):
All right, well, yeah, it's five five starters.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
Still don't answer my question whether or not they're going
to double team t J. Watt.

Speaker 6 (11:34):
Well, I don't know what the game plan is.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
What do you think they'll be part of it?

Speaker 7 (11:37):
Yeah, I mean there'll be times to do that. I
think stick Connor Henry over there and make sure you
get a chip on him. But I think Josh is
clever at you know, it's not every single time we're
going to have to chip him. We're running away from him.
Sometimes maybe you're trying to trap him sometimes. Is you
know a wide array of things I think they can
do to prevent him from you know, just getting getting
that first sack maybe in the first quarter and then
feel like all right now starting to feel it here.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
I come like that's what you want to look out for.

Speaker 7 (12:01):
But it's interesting with you know what Paul saying that,
I think the two defensive approaches mirror each other pretty well.
I think both sides are going to want to play man,
both sides are probably not going to have exactly the
right personnel that they'd like to do that, So who
can hold up better? And I mean I think, as
Evan has been saying, maybe like the Patriots matchup with
having the size of Carlton Davis to put on on
dk intelect spots and you know, you're not too afraid

(12:24):
of Calvin Austin with Marcus Jones. So you know, I
still think Alex Austin, those guys they got they got
to be a little better. I mean, Alex Austin got
got picked on himself last week, so you know second
late to some of those.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
Looked like he was about to have a couple of
pass breakups.

Speaker 7 (12:36):
But secondary's got to be better. They've got to be
more in sync. And you know it starts with the
linebackers too. You know that communication has got to improve.
And you hope with with with reps that their own
defense gets a little bit more well dispersed.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
It's so funny how things change.

Speaker 5 (12:50):
You know, during the off season, it was like, you know,
how's the offense going to be and defense is going
to be better, don't worry about the defense, And then
we come out of this game, and it's like, well,
the offense is looking okay, what's gonna happen with the defense?

Speaker 11 (13:02):
Yeah, it's like a yeah, And I would say that
Rabel spent a lot of time with the offense in
training camp and without Terrell Williams. Like I also wonder if,
like maybe Rabel needs to spend more time in the
defense meetings and make sure that they get that side
of the ball buttoned up, because, uh, you know, you
mentioned TJ. Watt. He doesn't have a sack, but it's

(13:23):
TJ Watt. He's been disruptive, he's been, you know, a
problem in the first couple of weeks of the season anyways.
And you know, they've done a nice job with keeping
the pressure rate down, uh without necessarily you know, always
winning their blocks, which I think is a scheme thing.

Speaker 10 (13:41):
It's a McDaniel's thing. You know.

Speaker 11 (13:42):
Credit to Drake May a little bit for that as well.
But right now they're they're ninth in the league in
pressure rate allowed, which is which is good. They're twenty
fifth in the league in pass blocking win rate. So
there's like a discrepancy there of how are they so
low in the league and win rate, but they're so high,
you know, and on the good side with pressure rate,
and to me, that is scheme.

Speaker 10 (14:03):
It's it's there.

Speaker 11 (14:04):
They know that the offensive line is not going to
pass protect for three four seconds, so they're moving the
pocket and they're getting the ball out and they're doing
different things to try to help the offensive line along here,
and it's paid dividends so far. I mean, I think
Max Crosby made his plays in week one, but I
don't feel like he took the game over.

Speaker 6 (14:23):
And he was good, but he didn't dominate.

Speaker 11 (14:25):
Right, And you know, last week, maybe they you know,
Jalen Phillips isn't Max Crosby er or TJ.

Speaker 10 (14:30):
Watt, but he's not a slouch. You know, he's not
a bad player.

Speaker 4 (14:32):
They have good pass rushers and they need none of
the three of them really impacted the game, you know,
to a negative degree.

Speaker 6 (14:41):
Yeah, every time.

Speaker 11 (14:42):
In like third and long, when they they drop back past,
they are chipping a lot. They're the running backs of
the tight ends or are staying in for an extra
beat and and chipping the ends and trying to help
out Moses and Campbell in that way. So I think
that it's the overall approach to managing pass rush has
been pretty solid for the first couple of weeks. So

(15:03):
if you're going up against a guy like TJ. Watt,
I guess you have that.

Speaker 5 (15:07):
Henderson had a couple hold calls in past blocking last week.
Is that just the speed of the game is different
than college.

Speaker 6 (15:16):
I think you yeah.

Speaker 11 (15:17):
I mean I had him with two sacks allowed in
a couple of holes, and then he also got called
for a hold on special teams. Although we're able kind
of explained that one away yesterday during his press conference.
But I don't know what it is because he was
great at it in college and it doesn't seem like
it would be a physical thing based off of what
he was doing in college. But we talked a little

(15:38):
bit about this the other day. You know the dual
read system that they run for the running backs, where
they're really reading off of two different players and having
to decipher post snap who they're going to block. And
when you have a complex system like that, then it
probably is mental where he's not entirely sure who his
guy is and then he's got to react on the

(15:58):
fly to who's blitzing and who's dropping. And the other
sack that he had, like hunter, Henry chipped the end
and then was releasing down the field and it was
a play action pass and Henderson just kind of ran
right by the guy and didn't adjust, you know, to
the assignment. So I think a lot of it is
mental right now.

Speaker 5 (16:17):
Okay, all right, key on White, Any idea what the
illness is that's keeping him off the field.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
He's watching practice in street cloths yesterday, so I don't
know what that was.

Speaker 12 (16:29):
But there's a bad respiratory thing going around, so you guys,
hold on.

Speaker 5 (16:36):
So he was watching practice and street clothes? Was he
with the other guys?

Speaker 2 (16:41):
Why?

Speaker 5 (16:42):
I mean.

Speaker 11 (16:43):
He was he was like behind like because the reason.

Speaker 5 (16:51):
It's a contagious type of illness that would make sense.

Speaker 9 (16:54):
I've only been in the locker.

Speaker 10 (16:56):
If I knew what it was, I could say.

Speaker 9 (16:59):
I don't know if he guys saw him any other days, but.

Speaker 5 (17:02):
If he was like in the mix with guys, then
obviously whatever the illnesses isn't contagious.

Speaker 10 (17:07):
I yeah, yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
I mean, I don't even know what to speculate. I mean,
I don't know, but I.

Speaker 4 (17:14):
Don't I don't know, I don't want to, I don't know. Yeah,
is there something going on.

Speaker 6 (17:20):
I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
We well, you know, I'm just trying to peel the.

Speaker 7 (17:24):
D I mean, if he was I don't know, it's
I mean, I think if he still wasn't around the team,
maybe I would think something was up to like it
seemed weird.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
If something was up and then he was just watching maybe,
But I don't know.

Speaker 7 (17:34):
I mean, he's an interesting player, and you know, I
don't think everybody had a certain view of him coming
into the season, and it's kind of been disappointing.

Speaker 6 (17:42):
So I just I mean, it's different.

Speaker 4 (17:43):
I mean, it's not common to miss games with an illness,
let alone, you know, have it spill into a second week.
I have no idea what it is, though, but I
just I just think it's a little different.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
It is, Yeah, no question, all right.

Speaker 5 (17:57):
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Speaker 2 (18:07):
You and Evan do sat down with Garrett Bradbury.

Speaker 6 (18:11):
We did.

Speaker 7 (18:11):
Yeah, we got to sit down with him yesterday, a
little brief chat that was It was funn He was
just coming off the practice field. So I think we'll
play that at halftime. Play that. Yeah, yeah, nice.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
Guy asked him, you know a little bit about I
haven't asked some football questions.

Speaker 7 (18:25):
No, I asked just about being Minnesota, being the NFC North,
getting a close up look at Aaron Rodgers over the years,
and you know, clearly has a lot of respect for him.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
And you know, I.

Speaker 7 (18:34):
Jokingly said it, but I mean right now, if you
go by the PFF numbers, he's.

Speaker 6 (18:37):
The number one pass blocking center in the league.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
So, you know, nice start for him.

Speaker 7 (18:41):
I don't know, again, I'm getting too much into those
stats at the early part of this, but he's been
really good. I think he got a lot of criticism,
you know, during the summer of is he the guy
and are they you know, he was locked in a
competition right so, but played pretty well the first two weeks.
We'll see if it continues. This week we challenge with
with that big monster. He's gonna be lining up across from.

Speaker 11 (19:02):
I'm surprised that they haven't like tested him a whole
lot in the first two weeks of the season, and.

Speaker 10 (19:07):
I would have thought they're down.

Speaker 11 (19:09):
You put a pass rusher right over him and see
if he can pass protect and the Raiders and the
the Dolphins didn't really do that, which was kind of surprising.
But he's been sneakily good for the most part. I mean,
I thought the run game stuff was a little so
so in Week one, but last week was better. And
the pass blocking has been clean. Uh, you know, it's

(19:29):
been better than expected.

Speaker 4 (19:30):
And the Dolphins had Steeler, who's a pretty good Yeah,
but he was rushing on the guards a lot like
he was at all.

Speaker 6 (19:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (19:37):
I'm not trying to like say that brad Berry's been
you know, discredit anything that he's doing. I'm just I'm
just saying, like, it's not exactly like he's got Vince
will Fork over his nose and like he's got it.
You know, it hasn't right, It hasn't exactly been that.
But uh, you know, the one thing I would I
thought was cool that Bradberry said in our interview was
I was asking him about Mike rabels involvement with the

(19:59):
offensive and he said he's the most involved head coach
in the offensive line that he's ever had. And I
really felt like that just kind of stands out to
speaks to the importance of that position group to Rabel
and that you know, tone setting like is kind of
what he was talking about in the identity of the
team and all that kind of stuff. And I guess Rabel,

(20:22):
I don't want to give away the whole thing, but
Rabel early on right said, got into the offensive line
room and said, like this is like the the intensity
and like the message that we want to send and
the type of football that we want to play. Like
starts in this room like these you are the guys
that are going to set the tone, the physical tone,

(20:42):
for the rest of the football team. And so it's
clearly very important to Vrabel that this offensive line gets
sorted out and that they fix what's been a very
bad offensive line for the last couple of years. And
the stats, at least through two weeks have really bared
that out. They've been much better up front on the
offensive line for the first couple of weeks.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
Okay, what quick click story. I had to like hearing
him say that.

Speaker 7 (21:07):
I flashed back to you know, when I played high
school football and I played tackle at this size.

Speaker 6 (21:11):
He's always got to make it about him, Yeah, what
does this have to.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
Do with your It's it's funny.

Speaker 7 (21:16):
We were terrible and I remember, like before our first
game because I've been practicing for.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
Like a week. I didn't really know what I was
doing all that much.

Speaker 7 (21:22):
And the coach you could tell like he just loved
his high school football experience so much. You grew up
in Pennsylvania, it was so serious, and here we are
at Vermont Academy, a small school where like you were
begging every kid you possibly could to play football.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
And I remember him.

Speaker 7 (21:34):
Being like, it all starts with us, you guys with
the Hogs, like all you guys got to lead the tone.
And I'm looking around like I don't even know what
the hell I'm doing on our coach. And then we
ended up like losing every game but one, and it
was I just I felt so disappointed in him, where
He's like it all starts with you guys, and I'm like, oh,
we don't know what they want me.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
Like I started three days ago. Coach, I'm like, I
don't even know how to block.

Speaker 4 (21:55):
I mean, if it was someone to run the power point,
I'm like, I'm just looking at the hockey only please.

Speaker 5 (22:00):
Don't get it's just like putting sharpness put in.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
It felt like good good memories. We were terrible and
I was a horrible, horrible.

Speaker 7 (22:13):
Tackle both ways, both ways, defensive tackle, offensive tackle, and
you wouldn't any better on one side of that. And I
don't even know what I was doing, Paul. I would
just try to get in the way of guys. But man,
it was you know.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
There's like there's a very few pictures exist.

Speaker 7 (22:26):
Of me actually playing high school football, and in one
of them, I'm in a four point stance and it's like, oh,
that guy is not getting off the ground. Like you
could just tell I had absolutely no flexibility and like
all they had to do was just kind of like push.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
Me down and I would be out of the way.

Speaker 7 (22:37):
Oh yeah, I no leverage, no, no leverage, no, you know,
no no, Like there was like, you know, guy's getting
the four point stage, like that guy's about to explode.

Speaker 6 (22:45):
Like I was not expended. All I'm thinking it was
like Bradley Cooper and wedding crashes.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
No, that's what it was.

Speaker 7 (22:50):
It looked like just like some person just like bending
over to touch the ground with their tip the tips
of their fingers.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
But like it's like, but no, it's.

Speaker 10 (22:56):
Supposed to be like you're like cocked, You're ready to go.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
You know you're gonna explode the ball. No, no, no, I.

Speaker 7 (23:01):
Was like, and then I'd stand straight up and then
you know, they just blocked me into oblivion.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
I remember Williston like, that's that guy killed me. And
I remember at halftime being like, I don't want to
I don't want to go back out there. I don't
want to go do this for another took will. He
took my will.

Speaker 7 (23:13):
And then they put the second team in and I
was like, all right, this isn't quite as bad.

Speaker 13 (23:16):
But they did that.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
It was so hot, it was so hot. They were
so good kids. A monster in front of me, just
flying off the ball every time, and I'm like.

Speaker 6 (23:23):
I want to be playing away from me.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
My will was taken. It was absolutely taken and off.

Speaker 7 (23:28):
That's why I was on the video team putting it
was the pudding never got sharp for me, all right.

Speaker 5 (23:37):
Podcast at Patriots dot Com is how you email the
show and Michelle, who loves it when I call her Salata,
I was looking for you, she says, going into the season,
this is exactly all caps what I wanted to see progress,
not so much wins and losses. I can't help but
wonder if the defense is looking a little bit all
over the place since we haven't really had any stability

(23:59):
on the coaching side due to the health of Williams.
During the Raiders game, I was yelling at Drake to
step into the pocket lest east West. He must have
heard me, because he was a lot better this week.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
Kids. Comfortable back there, Schittsburg, she said, is going down?

Speaker 1 (24:15):
Oh so shit's creek?

Speaker 2 (24:20):
Yeah, exactly, I got you.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
You can say it, right, so yeah, right, no, I agree.

Speaker 7 (24:27):
I mean even the defense stuff, like that's what we
said all someone like it's going to be a little
bit like, hey, they're getting sacks, but they're getting torched,
and I mean that's kind of been the case, so
hopefully they can tighten it up a little bit. I
mean even as the defense guy though, like the offense
is shown some signs of life and some signs of
being able to pass protect and you know, that to
me is what makes good NFL teams. Like, if we
were out here in the offense was struggling, the defense
looked amazing, I'd still feel kind of like stuck in

(24:50):
the mud a little bit.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
So I'd rather have it this way than, you know,
the other way.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
And Rabel did kind of talk about Torello.

Speaker 5 (24:56):
He's being around a little bit this week, but he said,
we're going to stick to what we.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
Did last week with zat core.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
Yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 11 (25:02):
You remember the Titans when like you know, coach Yoates
got the defense and coach Boone's got the offense.

Speaker 6 (25:10):
Do you worry about your offense? Like I got the defense.

Speaker 11 (25:13):
That's like kind of how I feel right now with
Mike Rabel and Josh McDaniels, where it's like Trell Williams
is in and out of the building. That's your defensive coordinator.
We don't really know what his status is going to be.
You have Zach Korr, who I think is a good coach,
but first time he's ever called plays in the NFL. Like,
I think the head coach needs to spend some time
with the defense, like especially as a guy that is

(25:36):
the defensive guy. I just the offense right now, I
think is figuring itself out a little bit. And they
have a really experienced coordinator obviously on that side of
the ball. So I hope that that raybel can button
up the defense because I agree with the email or
that right now, there's it's been a little bit uh,
you know loose, you know, Mistackles Miscoverage assignments way too

(26:00):
much space and zone like that type of stuff is coachable,
Like that's that's, you know, buttoning things up on a
defensive perspective.

Speaker 5 (26:07):
Speaking of missing things, Warren says he's loved to show
for years, but miss the arguments. Mike and Evan never
make an opinion and argue for or against. Only Paul
and Fred makes it up rarely these days. Mike just
giggles the whole time. He wants more arguments.

Speaker 7 (26:22):
I mean, what's her to argue about when they were
four win seasons?

Speaker 6 (26:26):
Like, yeah, I mean that's kind of true.

Speaker 7 (26:28):
Yeah, like you have to disagree with somebody, right, like
even just get to the middle where you can you know,
then you feel like there's it's kind of like I
felt going to watch film where it's like when they win,
I'm more excited to go back and watch the bad
stuff to how to fix it because I feel like
it's worth it. You know, it's worth arguing when you
believe in a team and you know there's some things,
but like when four games they're like I think they

(26:49):
I think they stink too, Like okay, you got.

Speaker 4 (26:52):
A glimpse into Andy and Paul arguing with Fred during
like fourteen to two seasons, get on because we're worried
about the things that they're not doing well.

Speaker 6 (27:03):
We know the things that they do well.

Speaker 7 (27:05):
Yeah, well, I'm sure when you go to watch the film,
it's like, yeah, the good things are good, but like
you know, when there are actually good things to say,
these are good.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
Now, let's fix the bad so it can all be
good and then we can you know.

Speaker 6 (27:16):
Really you can become a playoff team.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
Right then you're excited to work. But when it all sucks,
like what's your film review?

Speaker 7 (27:22):
Like, when it all sucks and you're watching, there's nothing
salvageable here.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
So I don't know, we'll try to argue more.

Speaker 6 (27:28):
We did a good trash.

Speaker 7 (27:29):
Talk this week, I thought for pe TV, So watch
tonight if you can tune into.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
Such places slightly, we slightly are you okay?

Speaker 2 (27:36):
Okay, all right, Freddy, all right.

Speaker 5 (27:41):
Spin Fresno writes in he says this email will annoy
Evan because he's allergic to nonsense. He says, yesterday, Mike
mentioned that in the locker room the name plates over
the lockers are digital.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
That seems odd to me.

Speaker 5 (27:53):
Why aren't they physical nameplates? How long have they been digital.
It seems impersonal, like we're just waiting to re program
a road sign when we move on from the player.
Physical plates were more substantial and showed you you believe
in the guy's roots here. But maybe I've just have
abandonment issues since Asquatch left to go, Nestle is spotn
sized cranium, and Fitzi's blabbering groin wow what wow.

Speaker 6 (28:18):
The end of that.

Speaker 10 (28:19):
I think the whole thing about the name plates their
throwback this year.

Speaker 6 (28:23):
Well that's why I Mike brought it up first.

Speaker 9 (28:25):
I didn't do that.

Speaker 10 (28:26):
I didn't know you brought it up, Mike.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
Well I had to.

Speaker 6 (28:28):
I mean you returned to the locker room.

Speaker 10 (28:30):
Yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
You know, it's great.

Speaker 6 (28:32):
Who's back?

Speaker 2 (28:33):
It was great.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
That was yesterday, Alex.

Speaker 7 (28:35):
Right when I walked through the door, Alice just hit
and I thought, I thought it worked pretty well because
I walked right into like interrupt but it was.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
Like, look who's back? And you know, it was like,
look who's back. I announced my presence but filled it in.

Speaker 4 (28:47):
So how long at least at least five years?

Speaker 1 (28:50):
Right?

Speaker 6 (28:50):
The digital main plate as long as yeah, it's been
a while. Speak they made that move.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
They can't just take other signs down to like, yeah, I.

Speaker 10 (29:00):
Think it's really that serious.

Speaker 5 (29:01):
I excited for next year when they move into the
new building. I guess that locker room is going to
be the state of the art.

Speaker 10 (29:07):
I'm not excited about that. We have to walk over there.

Speaker 9 (29:11):
God forbid you get your steps.

Speaker 12 (29:12):
Yeah, god forbid you go see sunshine.

Speaker 4 (29:17):
We had to do fred Oh yeah, we had to
walk up uphill both ways.

Speaker 11 (29:22):
When when it's January and they're like, oh yeah, locker
room and I got to walk out there in the snow.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
I have to get in the car.

Speaker 13 (29:31):
We have to.

Speaker 6 (29:32):
We had to drive to.

Speaker 11 (29:33):
Them, and you walked uphill both ways. Shoes and yeah, yeah,
I've heard it all.

Speaker 9 (29:41):
He wants a golf cart, because I didn't say I.

Speaker 6 (29:43):
Wanted a golf cart.

Speaker 10 (29:43):
I just said that I'm going to complain that it's cold.

Speaker 12 (29:46):
I think the content team should get a good golf
cart when we move to the others place.

Speaker 6 (29:51):
The golf the content team will have about seven of them.

Speaker 5 (29:53):
I remember, speaking of back in the old days, we
used to have an old guy named Eddie Mack, and
he was in charge of all the TVs in the
old stadium. Uh, and he was a big parcels guy.
So parcels Lee's Pete Carroll takes over. But they're still
practicing off campus and uh, I don't know, like what

(30:15):
does Eddie mack expect it?

Speaker 2 (30:17):
But they come back in all separate cars instead of
like in a van or whatever. And I hear Eddie
mcain that wouldn't happen if Parcells was stole hair. Everything
was that wouldn't happen. You know, that was his It
was the whole thing.

Speaker 10 (30:30):
I think we should have our own car, Deuce that
says for Evan and No.

Speaker 5 (30:34):
I think next year we're gonna have We're gonna have
to get a golf cart for the content.

Speaker 11 (30:38):
Well, mister Kraft has a golf cart that says his
name on it. Yeah, and so I think Deuce and
I should have one that says Evan and Dee.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
Why would just buy our own.

Speaker 5 (30:46):
We're just gonna get you one that says ball nowher.
Sure it'll have a big screen after yesterday, so on
the way you can watch that far all twenty two.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
We'll get you a driver so you don't have to
watch the road.

Speaker 6 (30:58):
It's not right there, it's not.

Speaker 12 (31:00):
Well the tunnel out like the bay thing where they
bring the trucks in.

Speaker 4 (31:05):
It's guess that the lower I guess you could walk
that way side anyway.

Speaker 6 (31:12):
Yeah, I know, and it's cold now.

Speaker 4 (31:14):
Like the camera guys, you know for that like they
should have like their little carts and stuff.

Speaker 6 (31:18):
You have carts for their cameras and their tripods and stuff.
Now their equipment right, yeah, I'm just going to golf
Jesus uh.

Speaker 5 (31:30):
Todd and Garner says this game is going to come
down to the trenches. I feel that whomever can protect
their quarterback the best will win this one. Both these
are hungry and aggressive, so it will be interesting to
see how the OC's approach it. My prediction is thirty
one Steelers Pat's twenty eight. Evan will be raving about
the O and Deuce will be crying about the d.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
Oh. I never thought.

Speaker 6 (31:55):
What about the d specifically be crying about.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
Misstackles probably, I guess.

Speaker 5 (32:03):
Anthony says there's audio cuts in and out for ten
minutes on YouTube. YouTube needs to be fixed, and if
anyone's listening at YouTube audio audio problems on YouTube on
the YouTube, I don't know what that's all about.

Speaker 6 (32:20):
Thirty one twenty eight.

Speaker 4 (32:22):
Obviously extremely disappointing to lose, but at least sounds like
that would be another entertaining game thirty one twenty eight.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
I'm not here to be entertaining and I'm here to win.

Speaker 6 (32:32):
Fred, did you not listen to everything I said? Or
you just want to make fun of me?

Speaker 4 (32:37):
Here to be I don't like the last like the
first game, yep, was not entertaining in any way. The
second game was, and it wasn't just because one was
a loss and one was a win, like the game
unfolded in an entertainment.

Speaker 5 (32:51):
You know my stance about Patriots games. I don't care
how entertaining they are. As long as we win.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
I know I can be entertained by the rest of
the games.

Speaker 9 (33:00):
Would a dominant win not be entertaining?

Speaker 5 (33:03):
It would be to me to big head he used
to say that, no, but it would have arguments.

Speaker 6 (33:08):
So it's a little different now.

Speaker 4 (33:09):
If they had a dominant win on Sunday, that would
be entertaining to me, Like when you're going fourteen and
two and you're just beating the crap out. It's you know,
vastly inferior teams. I liked the games that were close.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
I find that entertaining.

Speaker 4 (33:22):
Yeah, and that's where he used to yell at Andy
all the time because like, yeah, I was boring because
it was, oh my god, we were very spoiled.

Speaker 10 (33:30):
Now, yeah, sounds it. Oh yeah, I get made fun of.

Speaker 5 (33:35):
Quig writes in looking for the defense to step up
and contain Rogers in the pocket.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
He doesn't like to be hit.

Speaker 5 (33:41):
Wasn't Tomlin complaining about the communications system the last time
they were here? Maybe round two of Unicorn and Show Ponies?

Speaker 6 (33:48):
Was that the last time?

Speaker 1 (33:49):
That was different? No, that was farther back.

Speaker 4 (33:51):
Yeah, Unicorn and Show Ponies. That was a Saints game.
But the last I don't know if it was the
last time, but Tomlin had that classic postgame ran.

Speaker 6 (34:03):
Well, listen to Scott Zola.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
In the headsets.

Speaker 7 (34:07):
That's funny, you know, it's it's pretty random. But Patriots
have been and we said before, they're seven and nineteen
at home, the worst home record since twenty twenty two.
But somehow they've they've beaten the Steelers twice on the road,
like Mac Jones and Bailey Zappy beat the Steelers like
it's just one of those like weird anomalies where they've
been losing pretty much to everybody, but they still can
beat the Steelers those two years.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (34:29):
Yeah, That's why it makes me optimistic about this game
because I feel like in both instance institutional, I feel
like they have something on this Steelers defense, Like I
don't know what it is, we own them, but if
you can like that Thursday night game. I know the
second half wasn't quite as good as the first half,
but Bailey Zappy threw three touchdown passes in the first

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half of that Thursday night game, and that was the
best offense they played all year long in twenty twenty three,
and it was against the Steelers, against that Tomlin defense
on a short week where they didn't have a ton
of time to really change what they do, and it
just feels like they kind of have a book on
like this is the Steelers like to play, this coverage,
These are their checks, this is what they do, and

(35:12):
we just kind of know how to beat it.

Speaker 10 (35:13):
And so that's what makes me optimistic.

Speaker 5 (35:16):
Boston Cream writes in with a picks update from the
fan app Okay. He says Week one saw Doug from
Marlborough with a fourteen and two in first place, and
Week two had both Cody from Indiana and Spencer from
Connecticut goes sixteen and oh wow wow. So they shared

(35:36):
the best record for the week and Brian from Minnesota
has the overall best record at twenty eight and four.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
Wow. So are we sending these people T shirts? You are?

Speaker 8 (35:52):
I haven't sent any of these people T shirts yet,
but I can when.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
They said, well, you should email Kareem I mean Boston
Cream T shirts know. Oh he has T shirts.

Speaker 8 (36:02):
Yeah, he just got the last round. I said, out
he got three.

Speaker 5 (36:05):
No, we need to find out how to get T
shirts for Doug and Marlborough and Cody and Spencer.

Speaker 8 (36:11):
Okay, just email addresses to podcast at Patriots dot com
and I'll get your T shirts.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
Okay, just like that.

Speaker 5 (36:17):
But so Boston Cream's not supplying that. I don't know
how any of this is working.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
I don't think anyone should give their address to the
donut right.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
Well, we have to. We have to.

Speaker 8 (36:26):
I mean, we have to get a shirt mission to Boston.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
I don't know however we do it. We need to
get T shirts to these people. So, okay, good stuff.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
The new T shirts are great. By the way, I
was wearing mine yesterday. Very Why are They great, They're
very comfortable.

Speaker 7 (36:39):
They fit, they just have a good good You know,
some T shirts just feel like they fit, right.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
I feel like that's one of those.

Speaker 8 (36:44):
Just got one sent out to Somalia yesterday.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
Oh okay, have you washed it?

Speaker 7 (36:49):
You did wash, no shrinking, no shrinking, and well, you
know it's just a tiny bit, but but no, it's
still it's stretched out pretty good.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
That good quality, good quality.

Speaker 4 (36:57):
I'm gonna start to Mike express genuine andenthusiasm for a
T shirt, right, and then I think back to the
person who called in on wrote in on Tuesday, criticizing you.
Why don't you be a fan once in a while,
Like this is a guy who is legitimately enthusiastic about
a T shirt.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
He is the T shirt.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
And how it is this I dabble and you're making.

Speaker 4 (37:19):
Making fun of you for not being properly excited Sunday
after the win, I meant.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
Me, we got to tackle take the ball away. I've
got to be better and I'll be that. I'll be
more excited.

Speaker 6 (37:33):
Okay, Mike could be excited with a three nothing win.

Speaker 7 (37:38):
Well, I mean it's interesting because like my writing hes
into it, like I was hard trying to like write
and finish your piece, like for right at the end
of the game, and it's back and forth and back
and forth, and like at a certain point, I'm just like,
all right, I'm gonna pick the side they're gonna win,
and I start to like round it out that they're
going to win, and then like harp like pounding at
the end of the games and like cauz if it

(38:00):
and they get in, I'm gonna have to change all
this stuff.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
I'm not have to get off the post game show.

Speaker 6 (38:03):
He made the declaration.

Speaker 4 (38:05):
He's like, you know, if if Miami ends up winning
this game, I'm just gonna let you guys know right now,
I'm not going to be able to do much.

Speaker 6 (38:10):
In the first ten minutes of the show, I did say.

Speaker 11 (38:12):
That I hadn't had to write about a game that
they won in that fashion in a while, and it's
a it was kind of weird for me postgame too,
I was like, how do I Usually I wanted a
game where they scored points like Egot, you had.

Speaker 7 (38:29):
That's usually like a five, like the old games when
they like five points.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
Maybe this was like eleven, Like I mean, there were
so many twists in terms.

Speaker 11 (38:36):
Of there's five lead changes and uh, you know, I'm
more used to like the game that they won in
Chicago last year where it was the game was over
the half and like they scored no points, but they
sacked the court. And in this game, it was like
this was a back and four lead changes, punt return touchdowns,
kickoff return touchdowns.

Speaker 10 (38:54):
I was like, this is an actual football game.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
Crazy good crazy Sean Wrights.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
It one great win Sunday.

Speaker 5 (39:04):
And if you don't want to run through a wall,
like for Mike Rabel, you have no pulse two. I know,
two weeks late, but love the rivalry uniform. Surprisingly, I
don't know if the will if they'll become permanent ones
down the line, but not bad.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
Just don't go back to the blue on blue. Look
they'll never be permanent, but you know they'll be wearing
those for rivalries games permanently. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (39:28):
At three, I like a shootout this week thirty eight
to thirty for the Patriots. And now he has a
little game. What do these ten Patriots have in common?

Speaker 2 (39:40):
Stanley Morgan, all wide receivers, Stanley Morgan, Harold Jackson, Irving Fryar,
Randy Moss, Gino Cappelletti, Dion Branch, Troy Brown West Welcome,
Randy Vataha, and David Gibbons. What do they all have
in common? You'll never get it.

Speaker 6 (39:54):
I'll just go the answer is not there all Patriots
wide receiver.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
No.

Speaker 5 (39:59):
According to Sean, yes, but he says what they have
in common is that they're all better than Julian Edelman. Sorry,
I know you will disagree, but I felt he needed
to wait before getting in as the first time Hall
of Famer. But congratulations to him and Coach Parcels. Let's
hope it's not thirty years for Bell.

Speaker 4 (40:15):
You just to me a favorite, don't, don't, don't, But
but I just you could blatantly ignore me. Okay, I
wanted you to go down the list, So we go
one by one. We don't have to give any details.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
No, I think it's I think it's a risk. Don't
give it any credence.

Speaker 6 (40:30):
Would you say, David Gibbons.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
Was Baddy Vataha?

Speaker 6 (40:34):
Like, what do we demine?

Speaker 1 (40:35):
I don't know the second guy.

Speaker 5 (40:39):
By the way, Evan, you had a nice story that
you talked to Bill O'Brien about some really nice quotes
from O'Brien about Julian Edelman.

Speaker 6 (40:46):
None of those guys were better, but not a Hall
of Famer. Not all of them were better.

Speaker 11 (40:52):
No, no, yeah, that peaceful published tomorrow is oh oh,
but hasn't gone out.

Speaker 13 (40:58):
It's okay.

Speaker 11 (40:59):
You didn't give too much load it up with media. Yeah,
it will come out tomorrow.

Speaker 6 (41:03):
It was cool.

Speaker 11 (41:03):
I actually talked to got talked to Edelman right at
the end of training camp. I was talking to him
about playing slot receiver and I for a different piece,
and we ended up going down memory lane of his
rookie training camp and his you know, ascension there in
two thousand and nine to make the roster, and I
kind of just felt like it was better as its

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own piece than putting it in the slot receiver piece
because he's going into the Hall of Fame. And then
old friend lucas an old friend still friend of no socks,
he hooked me up with Bill O'Brien, who was the
offensive coordinator for the Patriots in nine when they drafted Edelman.
So it was cool and some really cool stories from Billy,
oh about scouting Julian Edelman out of Kent State and

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how that all came to be.

Speaker 5 (41:49):
Yeah, so that'll be coming out tomorrow. Yes, okay, great,
look forward to that. Isaac writes in it seemed to
me last Sunday that while the pass rush numbers bear
out a good game, the actual look of it was
up and down. On early downs when Elijah Ponder and
Kiris Tomda were on the field, they were stonewalling to run.
But when Tua started throwing on those downs, when that's

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when he was hitting big plays. Is there an adjustment
that you see there to maybe have Milton Barmore play more.
I'd love to know what the snap percentages were along
the D line.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
I probably have those.

Speaker 6 (42:21):
We can tell you that right now.

Speaker 13 (42:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (42:23):
I don't think it was necessarily an issue of who
was playing. I think we've talked about this on Tuesday.
The coverage wasn't very good, and you Tua's time to
release was right around two seconds for the majority of
the game. When you can have you know, the best
defensive line in football rushing the quarterback, if he's getting
the ball out in two seconds, it's not going to

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make it different.

Speaker 10 (42:45):
So they were able to.

Speaker 11 (42:46):
Clamp down coverage wise in the second half, especially that
fourth quarter, and then the pressure started to mount, and
I think you can see that.

Speaker 4 (42:54):
Yeah, the two guys that you're asking about, Milton Williams
and Christian Bamber played a ton. They played sixty eight
and sixty seven percent of the snaps respectively, so they
were out there to you know, more than two thirds
at the time. I think, Mike, you broke down very
specific numbers in terms of the pass rush, and the
email is right. For three quarters of the game, the

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pass rush was largely dormant, and then in the fourth quarter.
I think that you had them for three pressures in
the first three quarters combined, and then they had like
ten or twelve in the fourth quarter, including whatever three
or four sacks. I think that was partly due to
the game situation, and I mean, frankly, it was partly

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due to Miami. Miami put itself behind the chains on
the last two possessions, and that helps you know when
you have fourth and lungs, do you have a good
chance to get home? Because the quarterback can't just get
it out immediately. He has to get it beyond the sticks.
So when it's fourth and eight, fourth and seven, whatever,
you know, whatever the case may be, fourth and thirteen,
like you can't just like immediately throw it before pressure

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gets there, you have to wait till someone makes themselves available.
Milton Williams incredible move on the last sack individual effort,
But that's a fourth and long that you're able to
get home on. That's that's how you play defense nowadays.
You can't stop them every play. You got to stop
them on the big plays.

Speaker 7 (44:16):
So well, that's what I was going to say, Like,
is there a part of you that thinks that, all right,
if they get the tackling fundamentals cleared up, that maybe
this is kind of a defense that could be built
for the playoffs where it does come down to a
couple possessions at the end. And you know, is this
I know it's hard to extrapolate that. Oh they did
it against the Dolphins, and we two, this is always
what the offense turns into. And I'll tell you, if

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the defense is good enough to end in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
You know, but if you have some guys who can
get that pressure.

Speaker 7 (44:41):
I mean, we saw that Giants pass rush with their
front four that just absolutely dominated.

Speaker 6 (44:45):
Their defense isn't good enough to win in the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (44:47):
If the offense plays like it did against the Raiders,
their defense is good enough to win in a game
if the offense does what it did the other day,
because to me, there was night and day, how much
more effect? You know, they barely played played seven minutes
in the first half. Yeah, I know they were not
good in the first half, but they were only out
there for seven minutes. Yeah, So the other team can't
score when they don't have the ball.

Speaker 7 (45:09):
Yeah, to me, that's just one of the biggest takeaways
that I don't know. I mean, we talked about it,
but the dramatics shift in scheme and approach between week
one and week two for this Patriots. You know, I
think Evan said the week one offensive approach look like
a training like preseason, and and that was on both
sides of the ball. Now, I mean, I know there's
different play caller from week one to week two for
the defense, but it's the same thing. They're just spinning

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the dial with every coverage known demand trying to figure out.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
How how to solve TUA.

Speaker 7 (45:35):
So I'm really curious what they do this week if
are they going to tack back on you know, what's
going to change this week.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
There was dramatic changes last week.

Speaker 11 (45:41):
Yeah, I think the pass rush numbers are like Paul said, like,
you get caught up in them. But there's such situation
based that, especially this early on in the season, once
you have this sample of like four to plus games
where you can really unpack it. But two games into
the season, the numbers are gonna be really deceiving. And

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you know, the first three quarters they really weren't getting
them off schedule, and they were Miami was hitting them
early down passes and staying ahead of the chains. And
then the fourth quarter they got behind schedule and they
got into long down and distance and the pass rush
turned up. And I don't think it's any more complex
than that, because just like across the board, their defensive

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line all looks like they're winning more times than not.
But if the quarterbacks getting rid of the ball quickly,
there's this nothing you can do as a defensive lineman.
And Milan Williams said it after the game. He said,
we kept on telling ourselves just keep rushing, like just
keep rushing, like well, the coverage ll give us a chance,
just keep rushing, and they just they were like two

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was just getting rid of the ball so quickly.

Speaker 6 (46:49):
One of your.

Speaker 4 (46:52):
One of your colleagues that tracks this sort of stuff
had drake them into the other side. Drake May was
like the second fastest released time this in week two.

Speaker 6 (47:02):
I could see that.

Speaker 4 (47:03):
Yeah, I too, and set two point something seconds average
release time and it was the second fastest in the league,
you know, out of you know, all thirty two teams.
So that is a big part of it. Like why
are we talking so much better about the Patriots offensive
line in week two than we were in Week one?
Because they didn't get a lot of pressure. We didn't

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see it, We didn't see it as much when reality,
there's a lot of things that go into it. Evan
talked a lot about the scheme helping Drake May, you know.

Speaker 6 (47:33):
Get out of those situations. Yeah, you know, there's a
lot that goes into it.

Speaker 5 (47:36):
I mean, how much better did Tom Brady make our
offensive line?

Speaker 4 (47:40):
But it was just but that was Tom Brady and
his ability to get rid of the ball. This was like,
we threw the ball half the amount of times that
we did in week one, literally forty six to twenty three. Right,
you didn't get in these situations where you're down ten
in the middle of the fourth quarter and the other
team is just blitzing your recklessly. The way the Raiders
did so. Conversely, that's where the Dolphins found themselves. They're

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down at the end of the game, you know, like
one of the sacks. Just when you were talking about
the situational stuff. I think Spoline actually got credit for
a sack when Tua ran out of bounds. Right, if
it's not the last minute of the game, maybe he
just runs and gets what he can and doesn't worry
about the clock. He had to get out of bounds
to make sure that I'm not going to get the
first down. I got to make sure I stopped the

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clock here sack and ends up going down as a
zero yard sack, do you know.

Speaker 12 (48:27):
What I mean?

Speaker 4 (48:28):
Like sometimes the situation, you know, contact, the situational stuff's huge,
And I this was a big Belichick thing that I
like learned listening to him, where he would just talk about, well,
it's you know, it's the fourth quarner stand of the game,
and you're we were up ten points, so like we're
just we're just pinning.

Speaker 11 (48:48):
Our ears back and we're teeing off and so you're
looking at the numbers and saying fifty percent pressure rate.
But you know, really for the first three quarters, it
was only like you know so so, and then we
got a lead that we're able to rush. You know,
these are the things that you kind of start to
think about more and more. Is like, you know, what
was the down and distance and what was the game

(49:08):
situation and all that stuff contributes so much to the
pass rush.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
YEP.

Speaker 5 (49:12):
Contextual analysis is important, especially in football. Andrew's in Plainville.
What's up Andrew?

Speaker 2 (49:23):
Hey? Andrew?

Speaker 5 (49:25):
We once twice, three times you're out Christians in LA.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
What's up Christian?

Speaker 6 (49:32):
Hey?

Speaker 3 (49:33):
You guys have to football Thursday?

Speaker 13 (49:35):
To you all?

Speaker 3 (49:36):
Hey, So three, two statements and a question. Statement Number
one is realizing last week that I was talking about
us getting the monkey off power back in Miami this weekend.
We're a monkey on the back of Pittsburgh because they
haven't been able to beat us. I heard you guys
say it earlier since two thousand and eight. That's a
pretty impressive stat So I hope we continue to be

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the albatross, the thorn in their side. Second statement, and
and this is with no disrespect to my boy Eldridge
out there, but DK Metcalf is big, strong and fast,
but he cannot run routes and he gets easily frustrated.
A healthy Christian Gozales would have absolutely shut him down.

(50:19):
I am convinced of that. And then my question for
you guys is, I just wanted this week about the
passing of my old coach, and I wanted for you guys.
Do you guys remember, if you know the remember the
coach that had that impression on you that you both
feared and respected him, and you look back and the

(50:39):
life lessons that he taught you still resonate in your life. Okay,
my score this weekend is Patriots, get up early and
then survival late, comeback, don't pass.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
Okay, thank you. Any coaches have a significant impact on.

Speaker 7 (50:54):
Your lives, Yeah, I mean my hockey coach Jerry Denen
at at Vermont Academy, who's been a long time coach
at Taber Now.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
I actually, yeah, they're all.

Speaker 7 (51:04):
Related hockey Dinians, I believe, so I think they're cousins.
I mean there's also there's also a Gary Dinean who
runs hockey. But I wrote my collach essay about him
and yeah, just no. But he was a good combination
of maybe a little like Vrabel in that like well,
not not to take that back. He was the coach
that you just didn't want to make mad, that you

(51:25):
really respected so much, and when he got mad, you
knew there's a good reason for it. But but no,
just a great guy, great family guys, raised wonderful kids
down there at Tabor, And yeah, that's uh my my coach.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
That was good for me.

Speaker 6 (51:38):
You had to have a soccer coach.

Speaker 9 (51:40):
My dad was my coach most of my life. Well,
there you go, so obviously.

Speaker 12 (51:45):
I know I'm gonna cry. No, I mean, my dad's
the man. He was a great coach, even when I
wasn't playing for him. He was like the type of
guy to just I hate, like hot head parents that
are just screaming a whole game. My dad would just
be quiet away from the parents and then we'd have
like really good conversations on the way home. And I
think some of my friends like their dad coaching them

(52:06):
would kind of drive a wedge in their relationship, and
I was really lucky where I didn't have that, and
it brought us closer. But I also think of my
high school soccer coach, Katie Marino, and really my high
school track coach Brian Walsh. At the time, I thought
he was insane, like bat shit with the ch crazy

(52:26):
and but in hindsight, I realized he was super motivating
and he like the mental aspect was a big thing.
He would drive into us like it would be pouring
rain and freezing and he'd be like pain, his mental
cold is mental like figure it out.

Speaker 9 (52:41):
And I was like, this guy's insane.

Speaker 12 (52:43):
But now I'm like, no, what actually, So shout out
Katie Marino, shout out Brian Walsh.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
Coaches, Yeah, Hall of Famer Everett No.

Speaker 6 (52:55):
I did have two guys when I was a sophomore
in football.

Speaker 4 (53:00):
The head coach was Andy Gareno and his top assistant
was Barry Rosen. Those two guys, I just felt like,
coached me in a different way than any of.

Speaker 6 (53:09):
The other coaches before or or after.

Speaker 4 (53:11):
I thought they were much more detail oriented and good
blend of sort of disciplinarian, but would also put an
arm around you when you needed it. So I kind
of even as a sophomore, I wasn't, you know, a
varsity player, I was a JV player. They would really
go out of their way to find something that you
were doing that was helping the team, but at the

(53:34):
same time, when you were screwing up, they didn't soft
pedal it. You know, it was high school, so those
those two guys would be it for me. I think
I was also really lucky just in general listening to
all the different things I I think.

Speaker 6 (53:48):
I think we predated. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (53:49):
You can tell me if it's different, Fred, the the
parents that were like loudmouthed, we didn't really have loudmouthed parents.

Speaker 6 (53:56):
Like the back back in our day.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
You didn't live in New Jersey.

Speaker 4 (54:00):
Parents are seriously, they let the coaches coach and they
didn't have to deal with the stuff that they do now.
And I also got very lucky in not having to
deal with a lot of parents coaching their kids. Almost
all of the teams that I played for, the coaches
coached to coach, not because they had their kid on
the team.

Speaker 6 (54:17):
I mean there was some, but not many.

Speaker 12 (54:18):
I think in my experience, like even Roughing, the parents
that know the most about the game and about sports
are the quietest and the most respectful.

Speaker 9 (54:27):
And the ones that don't know jack are the loudest.
You know, so loud and yeah, oh.

Speaker 6 (54:34):
My god, shoot the boss.

Speaker 7 (54:36):
I watched the Share football game with Campbell, and I
just was making fun of the parents that are like.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
I'm like, you played football, I'm never going to be
yelling what to do.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
The c.

Speaker 9 (54:46):
Wasn't he was in Miami, all right?

Speaker 6 (54:50):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 7 (54:50):
I think the cross was the worst though, because that
sports like fluid, and you know.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
It's just they're just constantly like pass it, shoot it.

Speaker 6 (54:59):
It is bad.

Speaker 1 (54:59):
You know.

Speaker 4 (55:01):
I watched my kids and their parents are they all
have every answer, every one of them, and none.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
Of them play.

Speaker 12 (55:08):
Teachers can't really discipline the kids anymore with parents because
the parents are going to take the sides kids instead
of being like, listen to your teacher.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
I love that.

Speaker 6 (55:18):
No lacrosse guy one.

Speaker 11 (55:22):
More instrumental. No, uh not really, but I did have.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
You knew more than they.

Speaker 6 (55:32):
No, it wasn't that, No, it wasn't. I just it wasn't.

Speaker 11 (55:37):
That wasn't my my jam Like I wasn't really like
what you're saying, Yeah I do. Yeah, But I did
have one coach in lacrosse, uh who, I don't know
if he he was ex military in some way, and
we didn't pick up a lacrosse ball, just freshman year
tryouts for like two weeks, and all we did was

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straight conditioning.

Speaker 6 (56:02):
Just running.

Speaker 11 (56:04):
Like literally like carrying people on our backs, like just
like straight conditioning. It was insane and he actually, like
I think he got fired for it, like a couple
of years later because you know, woke police or whatever.
But that was the first time that I like really
got in shape, and like that changed everything for me
from a sports standpoint, because I was always a slow

(56:26):
kid and out of shape and everything like that, and
I had no choice, like if I wanted to be
on the team, this is this was what they were doing.
But now I wasn't like a big like this coach
changed my life kind of got It's interesting.

Speaker 7 (56:37):
Though, because hearing you talk, like even some of the
coaches that I wouldn't say like change my life or
like arm around you kind of guy, Like even the
coaches that like, like my college hockey coach was never
put arm around you kind of guy. He kicked my
ass for four years and he loved yelling at me,
and I probably deserved it, but I think he prepared
me for the real world, maybe better than the coach

(56:58):
that I was so enamored with, because it shows you,
like just because you work your tail off.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
Doesn't mean it's gonna be good for you or it's
going to be successful.

Speaker 7 (57:05):
And I think sometimes like even though it's not like
that coach that you expressed that love for, like they
did something really good for you, even though they were
really hard on you. Yeah, and never and you never
had that like Catharsis moment. Like I thought at the end,
like during the banquet, it might be like, oh, Duce,
you know you were.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
The guy that I always got after man we got
still No, it was just like I mean if he
pointed out the great goal I had against Norwich in
the playoff game, which was awesome.

Speaker 7 (57:28):
Yeah, amazing, the best goal in my career, but you know,
otherwise I had never never got that moment. But still like,
as I got into work work world, it's like, no,
he got me ready to deal with all the crap
that you got to deal with him.

Speaker 6 (57:40):
Yeah, I think that that's really what it was.

Speaker 10 (57:41):
For me.

Speaker 11 (57:41):
It was like, I, let's as you all know, I
had a pretty easy upbringing and that was the first
time where I kind of got my my ass kicked
by somebody, and like, I think that didn't really help me.
Like that was up until that point, it was pretty
it was pretty easy. In the Lazarre Ushold and then
you know that happened and I was like, oh crab,

(58:04):
Like this guy is like gonna kick my ass, you know, and.

Speaker 9 (58:07):
It was helpful, little measured adversity.

Speaker 6 (58:09):
Yeah yeah, all right, well note Christian wrestling talk.

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All right, we're excited to be joined now by Garrett Brodberry. Garrett,
thanks for joining us here in the studio. First time
we've had you.

Speaker 13 (01:00:55):
Yeah, appre sure you guys having me.

Speaker 7 (01:00:57):
I got to ask you your pro football focuses number
one un ranked past blocking center here through two weeks.
I know it probably doesn't mean much too, but you know,
really solid game for you guys. I've traditionally felt like,
and maybe I'm wrong, but it takes a little while
for the offensive line and maybe get in sync. You
guys have a lot of new pieces, but it seems
like you come together pretty quick.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
How's that happened?

Speaker 16 (01:01:15):
Yeah, it's never finished product. I feel like we got
a lot of good reps in the spring. You know, personally,
I'm used to like more jog through walkthroughs in the spring,
but Coach Rabel has working and it was a good
training camp, and you're just trying to build week to week.
You're trying to be better week three than you were
week two and so on. So we're doing some good stuff.
I think there's always stuff to clean up, but I'm

(01:01:36):
having a lot of fun working with the guys in
the room.

Speaker 11 (01:01:38):
Before we get into last week's game, I wanted to
ask you about coach Rabel because you just mentioned him,
and I was talking to Jared Wilson, one of your teammates,
and he said that Coach Rabel says that he wants
you guys to finish in the end.

Speaker 10 (01:01:51):
Zone when you're down by the goal line.

Speaker 11 (01:01:53):
Just to what kind of influences he had on the
offensive line room and how many you know, pointers and
things like that. A guy that lined up on the
other side of the ball his whole career can he
provide for you guys.

Speaker 16 (01:02:04):
Yeah, I think from a technique standpoint, he spends more
time than I've ever seen a head coach spend in
the old line room. I think in the spring he
came in he said, hey, my son played this position.
I know if this room's not worth it anything, then
this team's not. And so he'll sit back there and
he'll give us some nuggets like, hey, this is what
the defense is thinking on this play, this style of
defense is trying to do this, so we need to

(01:02:25):
attack this. So schematically he helps us. But then I
think more importantly it's identity. There's an identity he wants
this football team to play with, and he always says
it's not just a sign on the wall. We got
to make it come to life. And that's kind of
the fun part of playing football, right, Like you mentioned
about the red zone, Like if we're running the ball
into the end zone, that's a good thing. And if

(01:02:45):
we all finished with our guy in the end zone,
it'll probably be a touchdown. So that's just kind of
style and attitude that we want to help bring to life.

Speaker 7 (01:02:52):
And say, or a two point conversion, because it felt
like that final two point conversion. I noticed, and we
had a caller today on our show, call in specifically
about Jared just finish on that play and how excited
he was. I mean, that play kind of put the
cap on it for you guys. Was that one of
those moments?

Speaker 13 (01:03:05):
No, that's huge. Balls on the two yard line.

Speaker 16 (01:03:07):
They're all thinking we're going to pass it, and we
can just run it right up the middle, get a
good combination and just let the running backs find a
little crease and hit it. So that's I mean, that's
a big momentum changer in the game when it's kind
of deflating for a defense for a team when they
sit out there and watch a run on a two
point conversion.

Speaker 11 (01:03:24):
Yeah, and just sticking on Jared and obviously Will as well.
To rookies on the left side there as a veteran guide,
is what are your impressions of them so far?

Speaker 16 (01:03:33):
Yeah, they're doing a great job. They're fun to have
in the room. I think it's hard being a rookie
because you've got some duties and you got some expectations.
But at the same time, they're playing a lot of
snaps for us meaningful football, and so we're trying to
help bring them along, and I think they fit in
great to the room personality wise, and like I said
at the beginning, it's just we're trying to be better
each week.

Speaker 13 (01:03:53):
I know they certainly are too.

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
You were a first round pick as well.

Speaker 7 (01:03:56):
Just what's it like coming in with those kind of
expectations for someone like Will everybody's been talking about him
the left tackle spot all that. Well, from your experience,
what do you kind of share with him?

Speaker 16 (01:04:05):
Yeah, you know, I think as a competitor, you always
want your expectations to exceed everyone else's.

Speaker 13 (01:04:11):
But it's tough. It's not easy.

Speaker 16 (01:04:12):
Everyone's especially at O line, like if you do anything wrong,
you're like you're the worst, right, like all the all
the blame, no glory, and so he's just got to
take it one day at a time. We talked, and
coach Marone has done a great job. He's been in
the league for so long, kind of explained to us,
like what great O lines and what great O linemen personality.

Speaker 13 (01:04:33):
Traits were, how they worked. But you just got to
take it one day at a time.

Speaker 11 (01:04:37):
Yeah, I wanted to ask you about Ramandre's twenty one
yard run from the game on Sunday, because it looked
like Drake maybe made some changes there pre snap at
the line of scrimmage before you guys ran the football there.

Speaker 6 (01:04:49):
I know there's a lot on.

Speaker 11 (01:04:50):
Drake's played in terms of the communication and things like
that pre snap, but well, what you've seen from him
in that regard and can you just break down that
run for us?

Speaker 16 (01:04:58):
Yeah, he's got command, He's it's some of the play
calls have have an alert on them, and we'll want
to get to a better looking picture, whether it's better
leverage or or whatnot. But he's got great command of
the huddle of the offense and he's gonna get us
in the right play. And so once he gives us
an ID, we can just get downhill with it. And

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the more we can run the ball like that, the
more we can take off of his plate.

Speaker 13 (01:05:21):
I think the better we'll be as a team.

Speaker 7 (01:05:23):
Looking forward to this weekend. I guess you another quarterback.
You spent six seasons in Minnesota watching Aaron Rodgers. Yeah,
you know, what was your experience like watching him play?
And you know, I'm sure you've seen him probably tear
your heart out a couple of times, i'd imagine.

Speaker 16 (01:05:35):
Yeah, Yeah, he's he's been an unbelievable player in this
league for such a long time. I have a lot
of respect for him. It'll be a good test for
our defense, and we know offensively we've got to do
our job. We got to put some points up to
help the defense out. So it's it's weekend and week out.
You know, it's at every position, there's some great players,
so you just got to bring it every single day.

Speaker 11 (01:05:55):
When you look at that Steelers defensive line, Cameron Hayward
always stands out. J WAT obviously, what kind of challenge
that those guys present.

Speaker 16 (01:06:02):
I mean, they're smart players. You don't play in this
league for that long if you're not smart and really
good at football. So it'll be a good matchup for
us up front. Like you just you got to bring
in every play and I think it'll be a good
test for us. We got to run the ball, we
got to protect the quarterback, like just the same job
we have every week.

Speaker 13 (01:06:21):
But we just got to keep building from week to week.

Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
That's you one more silly one.

Speaker 7 (01:06:25):
I'm sure ever think they got one more football question
for you, But you guys are gonna throwbacks this week,
Like what's your assessment of the pat Patriot throwback helmet.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
I think you guys look pretty tight out there. What
are your thoughts on it?

Speaker 16 (01:06:33):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I don't pay too much attention
to it. I think some of the skill guys will
kind of swag it out a little bit more than
an US lineman. But yeah, I think the white helmets
are cool. I think the old logo is pretty sweet.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
So well, it's kind of like a center though, right, I.

Speaker 11 (01:06:46):
Mean, yeah, the first time we were in the studio
with Coach Rabel, he put me on the spot and
standing right in the corner over there, and he said,
you know what, what's your favorite run play? And I
had nothing prepared. I had no idea he was going
to ask me that. So I'm going to put you
on the spot and ask you what's your favorite run play, the.

Speaker 16 (01:07:07):
One that goes the longest. I don't know, it depends
on the defense. I like some outside zone I think
I do think you have to kind of have it all,
but I like a zone scheme. I think a gap
scheme is a good change up. Yeah, but I like
I just like getting some good combinations and double teams

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and getting downhill.

Speaker 11 (01:07:28):
Yeah, I said power, which I think might have been
what Remondre's run was on maybe, And but outside zone
for you makes sense because you're athletic guy, and I
can see you fit in that scheme. But I definitely
was caught a little off guard. And I know he
puts people on the spot like that sometimes in your meetings.

Speaker 6 (01:07:43):
So I got a little taste of that.

Speaker 16 (01:07:45):
Yeah, if you stay ready, you don't have to get ready,
just just stay ready with an answer.

Speaker 7 (01:07:48):
Awesome, Wellkaret, thank you so much for daking the time
and good luck this weekend.

Speaker 13 (01:07:51):
Appreciate it. Thank you guys for having me and now
great moments in.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
History.

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
She's my lines are way off this week.

Speaker 6 (01:08:03):
Yeah, I just I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:08:05):
I don't believe in you get your lines from Jimmy,
the Barbers and the street.

Speaker 7 (01:08:08):
It's week to the spread, and I just I just
go to draft kings very ESPN's had the same lines
as Paul.

Speaker 6 (01:08:14):
So we go to draft. Now, this one's draft.

Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
You're listening.

Speaker 6 (01:08:18):
Draft means they are presenting sponsor for the post game show.
So I think that we should at least draft.

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
Yeah, I mean show a little I.

Speaker 6 (01:08:25):
Know of every week you mocking my cans.

Speaker 1 (01:08:27):
I can't go to you go to DraftKings.

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
Why don't you go to draft?

Speaker 6 (01:08:30):
I can't.

Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
I'm not allowed to. Fred I signed a contract that
you're not allowed probably it's not allowed to use it. Don't.
You can't even look at it, Paul. They don't even
go to.

Speaker 6 (01:08:38):
Look at it. Every week you can see every Thursday
morning I come to work.

Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
Paul's grandfather in.

Speaker 6 (01:08:45):
Different rules like this is not serious?

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
Right, that's another great moment from.

Speaker 5 (01:08:54):
All right back here and Patriots unfiltered. Deuce and Evan
have left for the locker room. Deuce will be back
when he's done with that. He'll participate in picks. We've
lost Evan for the day. But yeah, talk about coaches. Uh,
let's get back to the phones eight five to five
past five hundred because we've got a hurry. I want

(01:09:16):
to see what everyone has to say. We'll go to
Brian and Lowell. What's up, Brian?

Speaker 14 (01:09:22):
What's up?

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
Hey? Hey? I got a question now for you guys
about Chism.

Speaker 17 (01:09:30):
When's he got debut this first game?

Speaker 18 (01:09:34):
Huh?

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
I think he's gonna have to wait for a couple
of guys to get hurt. Probably a man, Yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:09:41):
Dying want multi player?

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
Man, I know it's a numbers game, you know. I
don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:09:46):
Maybe I'm wrong, Maybe they do have plans for him
at a certain time, but uh huh yeah, like who
would you sit in order to get fon Chisholm on
the field.

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
That's a good question.

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
Yeah, I don't have to talk.

Speaker 5 (01:10:01):
Yeah, that's maybe why he's not blaying my court go
dials back of practice this week, thank god.

Speaker 6 (01:10:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:09):
Yeah, but he's not a wide receiver, so yeah, there's
a corner, right Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:10:14):
So we're still trying to figure out all right, But no,
I hear a lot of people are with you, Brian,
A lot of people waiting for the debut of FT
and Chisholm.

Speaker 6 (01:10:22):
Being mean right there? What low key mean right there? Yeah,
a little tone.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
Yeah, Shaw's and Vancouver. What's up, Sean, I'm gonna hurry.

Speaker 7 (01:10:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:10:34):
I'm hoping that Patriots went, of course, but I'm not
excited about a three nothing victory. What I want want
the most is for Drake May to continue to have
a great game to build momentum and confidence. So that's
really what I'm.

Speaker 19 (01:10:47):
Hoping for is to see another big game from Drake
May and when Evan comes back, I just know My
favorite run play is at the end of the game
when they take a knee and they're running out the
clock for a victory.

Speaker 5 (01:10:59):
That's victory for me. Okay, there you go. Thanks two
yard loss. Thanks Vancouver, Thanks Vancouver, Thanks Sean. Let should
start calling people by where they come from. All right,
North Carolina, what's up? It's actually Eldred.

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
Hey, Aldred, Hey, tellos.

Speaker 17 (01:11:19):
How y'all doing good? You're doing all right?

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
Okay?

Speaker 6 (01:11:22):
How you doing?

Speaker 17 (01:11:23):
Jordan quick? I'm doing pretty good. They got a call
earlier about d k Be careful what you ask for.

Speaker 7 (01:11:33):
Now.

Speaker 17 (01:11:33):
If Carlton David is healthy, maybe you can hang with him.
But Austin ain't. And if gotten dollars can't play, that's
who I'd be worried about, most of them instead of Austin,
you know. But I'm just hoping thirty five us I'm
hoping for. I can go ahead and brag to my
family most of the Fishburg steel a paying anyway.

Speaker 19 (01:11:52):
Oh boy, I'll take it easy, all right, all right?

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
Thanks Aldred.

Speaker 4 (01:11:57):
I love Eldrick because he has so many people in
his life that he can and have fights with.

Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:12:02):
It's the patriots against whoever they're playing that week because
he has some faction of his of his life that
he needs to well.

Speaker 6 (01:12:08):
He against love.

Speaker 9 (01:12:10):
He has a lot of material against his family. If
there are a lot of Steelers fans, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:12:14):
And I agree with him. Metcalf Is is the big dog.
He's the one that you would focus on. I'm worried
about the tight ends a little bit. Yeah, the two
tight ends. You know, I think we talked a little
bit about the mistackles this week, and we've talked a
little bit about the holes in the middle, you know,
in the back end with the safeties. So those I
think friar Mouth and John new Smith they could be

(01:12:37):
guys to circle.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
They definitely pose an issue, you know, local kid fryar
Mouth my way, Oh yeah yeah, Merrimack Mass nice matchup
issues with those two.

Speaker 6 (01:12:49):
Went to Pentucket High School.

Speaker 5 (01:12:50):
See how they figure that out. Spencer Connecticut who went
sixteen to oh, first time emailing the show, but he
says this is one of the best football weeks of
his life because he went sixteen and oh and the
Patriots won. So he wants to know how does he
get his T shirt? Why don't you email your address?
So there's one down. Matt so Spencer and Connecticut you

(01:13:12):
can send him a T shirt. And he also says, PS,
shout out to my brother Zach and Baltimore for getting
me into the show. So Zach and Baltimore, thank you
for recruiting more listeners to.

Speaker 9 (01:13:24):
The show, bringing families together.

Speaker 2 (01:13:26):
Yeah, appreciate that.

Speaker 6 (01:13:28):
Nice. Congrats sixteen.

Speaker 4 (01:13:30):
And oh, I mean that's obviously you can't do no
better than that. Not bad, not bad, not even.

Speaker 6 (01:13:35):
You did better than that over there, Missy.

Speaker 9 (01:13:37):
I don't know how I did.

Speaker 6 (01:13:38):
Oh, you did very well again.

Speaker 5 (01:13:43):
Fun facts is Dano in Chicago When I was a
freshman at Wellesley High. I'm pretty sure Paul coach baseball there. Personally,
it's correct, I played lacrosse. Shout out to my old
lacrosse coach, Chris Galinas.

Speaker 6 (01:13:56):
Oh I remember, I remember remember Chris Galinas? Yes, I do.

Speaker 2 (01:14:01):
You guys hung out so teacher's lounge to.

Speaker 4 (01:14:04):
Yeah smoking, Yeah, no, so it must have been like
the mid nineties.

Speaker 6 (01:14:10):
Yeah, I think I was there from ninety three to
ninety seven.

Speaker 5 (01:14:13):
You ever think about getting back into you know, higher
level coaching the college or you know college.

Speaker 4 (01:14:20):
They're probably not going to give a college job to
someone who hasn't coached in twenty years, right.

Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
A smaller college maybe.

Speaker 6 (01:14:26):
No, I'd need some money. That's a lot of work.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
It's a lot of work.

Speaker 6 (01:14:31):
But like I do it in high school. What like
I would I would absolutely be interested.

Speaker 2 (01:14:34):
In What about when you retire?

Speaker 1 (01:14:36):
Oh, I would.

Speaker 4 (01:14:37):
I would be interested in getting like a like a
high school baseball job out my way.

Speaker 6 (01:14:42):
I would absolutely be interested in that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:14:44):
So a couple of years ago, H Fenwick was between
baseball coaches and it had been a while the guy
had left, and it was like six or seven months
had gone by and there'd been no announcement over the
new coach.

Speaker 6 (01:14:55):
So I talked to the athletic director.

Speaker 4 (01:14:59):
Whose kids played with my you know, so you know
we know that we know I knew them. It wasn't
just like some rando like athletic director. And I said, hey,
you know, and they had decided pretty much on a guy.
And I was like, well, he goes, why were you interested?
And I was like, well, yes, and no, I told
him the whole story. I was like, I have experienced

(01:15:19):
coach in high school and I would have been glad
to do it.

Speaker 6 (01:15:21):
I just don't think I could do it.

Speaker 4 (01:15:23):
Quote unquote right, Like, if you're doing it right, you
should be helping these kids. Like if if you have
good players, like you should be helping them get looks
in college. You should be sort of beating the AAU
pats and trying to get them and you know, get
them in front of people, scouts and whatnot. And like
I'm not in that game right now. So like could

(01:15:44):
I coach the baseball team?

Speaker 6 (01:15:45):
Absolutely?

Speaker 4 (01:15:46):
And you know, Fred, I don't lack for confidence. I
think I could do it better than most, But I
don't have, like I think, all the other stuff that
you really need to be a really good high school coach.

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
Maybe you should get help somebody to help you do that.

Speaker 4 (01:16:00):
Well, I mean, if I were retired and I had
time to invest in it, what.

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
A service to help the kids. And you do the coaching.

Speaker 4 (01:16:07):
So if you, I know you dying to get rid
of me, because you often talk about what I should
be doing other than what I'm doing now, maybe if
you gave me a little bit more to wet my beak,
I would be willing to retire a little bit earlier.
Do you ever think of it that way?

Speaker 5 (01:16:22):
Well, we'd all love that, we'd all love that. No,
I just I like to see people happy. So when
Brian Morey, for example, he was way you know, he was.
He had a good job with us at the Hall,
you know, making decent money.

Speaker 2 (01:16:40):
But he had this opportunity to.

Speaker 5 (01:16:44):
Go back to high school be the head baseball coach
actually in the town that I live now coincidentally, uh
and you know, teach you how to teach a little.

Speaker 6 (01:16:53):
He's also a full time teacher. That's what he's made.

Speaker 5 (01:16:57):
You made the job now, but obviously, but he quit
here to become a teacher. He quit here to become
the baseball coach, right.

Speaker 4 (01:17:04):
But he also had a job as a teacher. So
if well, I can't, I'm not qualified for that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
Neither was he. He figured it out.

Speaker 6 (01:17:11):
He got certified.

Speaker 13 (01:17:13):
You can do that too.

Speaker 9 (01:17:14):
I can't do that even masters.

Speaker 6 (01:17:16):
No.

Speaker 5 (01:17:17):
First of all, he had two years, and he had
up to two years to get certified, so you don't
have to be certified on day one, and he got
it done.

Speaker 6 (01:17:25):
I told you.

Speaker 4 (01:17:26):
I did talk to Fenwick also about maybe teaching an
elective or something.

Speaker 6 (01:17:30):
Yeah, I think maybe more.

Speaker 4 (01:17:32):
Like a sports media clash or something like that. An elective,
not like one, not anything real.

Speaker 9 (01:17:37):
You would run the school paper.

Speaker 4 (01:17:39):
Yeah, yeah, what are you going to call the school paper?

Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
Brian?

Speaker 5 (01:17:45):
Brian took the leap, he got the job, and he
taught mass media or something like that.

Speaker 6 (01:17:51):
Yeah, he sent me a syllabus.

Speaker 5 (01:17:53):
Yeah, and and so then we're talking. Now he's moved on.
Now he's the head coach in Wark in Rhode Island.
His it's it's Pilgrim, right, Pilgrim. I think, yeah, that's his.
But that's great, Like he's feelings something he really loves,
not that we don't all love our generation.

Speaker 2 (01:18:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:18:12):
Ready, I've thought about it a lot, in all seriousness,
like you're not off.

Speaker 5 (01:18:16):
I could see myself coaching a tennis team, high school
tennis team.

Speaker 6 (01:18:19):
Oh, that would be great.

Speaker 1 (01:18:20):
We would love that.

Speaker 9 (01:18:21):
I could see you both as coaches.

Speaker 4 (01:18:23):
I loved coaching high school baseball. I was probably a
little too young.

Speaker 9 (01:18:28):
Did you do when your boys were in high school?
This way before then?

Speaker 6 (01:18:32):
This is the nineties.

Speaker 12 (01:18:33):
I want your more athletes to reach out.

Speaker 4 (01:18:37):
I did it at Wellesley High and we were really good.
I coached the JB team and I was the assistant
varsity coach. My classic story is we're playing in the
tournament varsity down at Dighton Rehoboth back to Andy Hart's
Dyton Rehoboth days, and we were getting absolutely screwed big
shock by the amps all day.

Speaker 6 (01:18:58):
Yeah, And there was a call.

Speaker 4 (01:19:00):
Like in the fifth or sixth inning and another one
that went against us, and the coach just grabs me
by like the like he went crazy.

Speaker 6 (01:19:07):
He was like, and he grabs me.

Speaker 4 (01:19:09):
By the he goes go out there and get tossed.
So you don't have to tell me that. So I
went out and I lost my ever loving mind. Yeah,
and I culminated with first there was a play at
second base and I looked at my second basement and said,
did you get him?

Speaker 6 (01:19:25):
And he goes, yeah, I got him.

Speaker 4 (01:19:26):
And he was like the nicest, sweetest kid. So I
knew he wasn't lying to me, so I knew we
were right. And I looked at him, I go, are
you from Dighton or Rehoboth?

Speaker 6 (01:19:38):
You can leave now that it was a good line.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
That's a good one.

Speaker 9 (01:19:44):
Was that your only ejection?

Speaker 1 (01:19:46):
No more?

Speaker 4 (01:19:47):
No, it wasn't my only ejection. Was it's my only
high school but my only high school ejection?

Speaker 6 (01:19:53):
Now I also coaching the JV team. I was the
only coach.

Speaker 4 (01:19:57):
I didn't have an assistant, and we used to get
a lot of the same umpires game after game, and
they really liked me, which was ironic because I gave
them such a hard time. And this is why I
say I was probably a little too young to be
doing it at the time. I didn't I never kept
my emotions in check. And I can't tell you. There's

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one guy in particularly he goes I would have thrown
you out of so many games if you just had
anybody over there as an assistant. But I didn't want
to leave those kids without a coach. And I just
like just said, he's hard in his mind.

Speaker 6 (01:20:31):
I'm going to let him go.

Speaker 9 (01:20:32):
What would have happened, like you.

Speaker 4 (01:20:34):
Just probably would play the game out or maybe they
would have to be a forfeit because the coach is thrown.

Speaker 6 (01:20:38):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:20:39):
And the guy like the same guy, he was the
nicest guy. I would talk to these guys before the
game and it'd be like, hey, yeah, you know, like
and I would apologize for the previous.

Speaker 6 (01:20:48):
Game, like I'm sorry that it again, and then it
would just happen again.

Speaker 2 (01:20:52):
He can't help himself, he can't help I couldn't that's
why it was on video. I know.

Speaker 6 (01:20:57):
Oh my god. You know who actually saw one of
these in person?

Speaker 4 (01:21:00):
Oh Felger? Oh really, yeah, Felger went to one of
the games. Really and he goes, I couldn't believe it.

Speaker 9 (01:21:07):
Why was he there to like support, No, it was
just like we were.

Speaker 4 (01:21:10):
I don't I don't know exactly why he went back
when he was a human. But when we were in uh,
you know, we were working at the Herald together and
he was like, oh, I gotta watch I gotta watch
one of the yeah himself, and.

Speaker 6 (01:21:21):
I like lost my mind.

Speaker 2 (01:21:22):
Oh that's great.

Speaker 9 (01:21:23):
I would show up for your coaching debut.

Speaker 2 (01:21:26):
Joseph Pennsylvania.

Speaker 20 (01:21:27):
Hey Joe, Hey guys, thanks for taking my call. And
I really just want to talk about that, uh that
second down play where we threw on it instead of run,
instead of ran for it at the end yep to
burn the clock now on that play, and I just
want to say, like, imagine if we completed that pass
and we got that first down, Like I forget how
many timeouts the Dolphins had or you know, exact time

(01:21:48):
on there, but that was basically would have been the game, right,
and that would have been a that would have looked
like a more of a demanding win. So just think
about how close we were to that. But but the
play in general, you know, that was going to mac
Hollins there, and Jack Jones was really cover him. He
was tight on him underneath Jack Jones was almost like
trying for that interception. They're like baiting the pass in there.

(01:22:11):
Is was mac Hollins really the guy that we wanted
right there? Or was that just more of a good
play by Jack Jones? And because, like what Evan said
the other day, like we signed Stefan Diggs not for
not for like these big yardage games right before those
for those guinea those gotta have it moments. So it's
like it's was it more so the play design that

(01:22:33):
it was made for going to going to Hallins? Like
like I.

Speaker 4 (01:22:36):
Said, in other words, number one eight target, Yeah, I
would like I don't want to say this definitively without
having seen you know, like Evan and Mike when they
watched the Coaches tape and the All twenty two. But
my guess is it was a one man route and
what you're hoping for there is to trick the other team.
You know, you're given a little it's a second and eight,

(01:22:59):
you're running the clock out. They are expecting to run.
Rabelhead explains that the corners had been slamming down from
the outside and they did so in the previous play.
They're hoping to give the same look as the same run,
and they're gonna have you bite on it. And to
Jack Jones's credit, he didn't bite on it. He stayed

(01:23:19):
close enough to Hollins. I think he might have gotten
away with a little hold on the play, but close
enough that he stayed competitive. It was kind of like
the touchdown that Hollands caught, Like you're giving them a
look like you're gonna run the ball. He's slamming down,
you're running a little little play action look, little boot.
And I give Jack Jones credit, he played it reasonably well.

Speaker 6 (01:23:42):
I love the idea of throwing the ball. I think
that's the.

Speaker 4 (01:23:45):
Best way to try to get that first down to
run the clockout is to throw the ball, and that's
the down you throw it on.

Speaker 2 (01:23:50):
Yeah, early, don't be as scary.

Speaker 20 (01:23:53):
How often do you see the other team run like
the team runs it in the situation they're three runs
and they all get one yard run right?

Speaker 2 (01:24:01):
Quite often and then the team gets it.

Speaker 20 (01:24:02):
Back with forty five seconds left anyways.

Speaker 4 (01:24:05):
Right, That's why I say, you know, thanks Joe. I
would rather try to get the first down and give
them a little more time. If I don't get it,
then run the ball into the line three times and
just hope. I mean there's different situations. If you know,
if if the Dolphins had no timeouts, as an example,

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I would have just run it three times and let
the clock go down as far as I can and
you know, be satisfied that maybe they have fifteen seconds left,
but knowing they're going to as Joe just said, they
were going to have whatever amount of time anyway, right
because they were going to call timeouts.

Speaker 6 (01:24:41):
Yeah, I think that's the best way to do it.

Speaker 5 (01:24:44):
Well, Martin out of Kansas, it looks like the Steelers
interior O lineman just went down with a torn MCL.
Seems the injury bug is still on that team. Got
a lot of Steeler fans at my job. There seems
to be doom and gloom about their attitude right now.

Speaker 4 (01:24:58):
Yeah, it's a more and it's a backup lineman, Max
sharping he towards ACL I guess in practice, but yeah,
they have gotten a lot of injuries early in the season,
and I think it's impacted the defense. You're missing that
amount of personnel. I think it's going to have an impact.

Speaker 5 (01:25:18):
Yeah, let's see jack In and Arbor talking about arguments, said,
you want you need an argument.

Speaker 2 (01:25:25):
What is the position of each member of.

Speaker 5 (01:25:27):
The PU team on whether the Pats selected the right
quarterback when they drafted Drake May.

Speaker 6 (01:25:36):
Can we argue that?

Speaker 2 (01:25:36):
I don't think. I don't think there's an argument. I
don't think any of us.

Speaker 6 (01:25:40):
You guys know how much I love Drake May in
that draft.

Speaker 5 (01:25:42):
Yeah, I mean, I'm just going back at the time.
I don't think any of us were like, oh my god,
they should have taken I traded up to take Jaden
Daniels or whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:25:51):
I'd still take him over Jayden and Daniels, even though
Jaden Daniels has accomplished far more. Right, That's how much
I liked Drake May coming out of the draft.

Speaker 2 (01:25:59):
Yeah, So I wasn't you were you like Caleb Williams,
And I think if they had taken Caleb Williams.

Speaker 6 (01:26:06):
Yeah, I would have taken Caleb Williams one, but he wasn't.

Speaker 2 (01:26:09):
An option, right, He wasn't available, right, But.

Speaker 4 (01:26:12):
I still like Caleb Williams, and I think if we
were in I think I think he's fixable because I
think the things that he lacks is more mental leadership
kind of stuff. It's more intangible stuff that he needs
to improve. Physically, I think he sees the field reasonably well.
He's a great athlete and he can throw. He can't

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do the other stuff. He can't seem to be a
good teammate, you know, And I think that's fixable. I
think you can sort of develop that now. Maybe he
never will, but yeah, I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:26:44):
I don't.

Speaker 6 (01:26:45):
I don't pull the plug.

Speaker 4 (01:26:46):
On him yet the way so many others are quick
to do, you know, much like JJ McCarthy after one
good quarter or football, they should have drafted him over
Drake May last week when I was in Felgrim, Mass.
No one asked me this week at felgrinm Maz if
they should have drafted J. J.

Speaker 6 (01:27:01):
McCarthy instead of Drake May. That didn't come up this week.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
He didn't come up.

Speaker 6 (01:27:04):
No, it came up last week. It didn't come up
this week.

Speaker 2 (01:27:07):
Did you bring it up?

Speaker 6 (01:27:08):
I didn't.

Speaker 5 (01:27:09):
I meant to come on, No, But when you watch
Caleb Williams that the talent is evident.

Speaker 2 (01:27:15):
It's evident. He just needs coaching.

Speaker 4 (01:27:19):
And I think if Ben Jonson is what a lot
of people think he is, I think he might fix
him of this stuff. You know, it's just it's just
starting out. It's just a couple of you know, it's
two games into his second year. I'm not I think
there's too much talent there to just say he'll never
do it and it gets an easy out.

Speaker 6 (01:27:41):
I mean, doesn't look good so far. I'll admit that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
So Dan and Virginia and Michigan. Subject line is injury calculus.
What's the injury calculus like with regards to playing Gonzales
this week rather than next week? By that, I mean,
is there a lower chance Gonzales plays this week because
the opponent is better, especially in their receivers, and thus

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there is more work required of the secondary, whereas if
they were playing the Panthers, it would be an easier
day theoretically, and they could ease in Gonzales a bit more.

Speaker 6 (01:28:15):
I don't think that that has anything to do with it.
Maybe he's right.

Speaker 4 (01:28:19):
I would guess that the calculus is he he needs
more than a week of practice before he gets back.

Speaker 6 (01:28:25):
On the game field. Yeah, I think he's healthy now.

Speaker 4 (01:28:28):
Yeah, but do they feel like he needs six days
of practice instead of three days of practice to be
ready to play in a game after being out for
almost what eight weeks?

Speaker 6 (01:28:38):
That to me is the calculus. Yeah, do you guys?

Speaker 2 (01:28:42):
Yeah, when's he ready?

Speaker 4 (01:28:44):
Because I don't think he'd be back on the practice
field if he wasn't healthy enough to be on the
practice field. So I think from a health standpoint, he
could play Sunday. But I kind of agree with Fred.
Would you put it at like forty? I put it
at twenty five five percent.

Speaker 6 (01:28:58):
I think I put it at forty. I agree with
you guys.

Speaker 4 (01:29:01):
It's probably unlikely because he missed so much time. They
don't think he's gonna be ready like to play in
an NFL game, But I think physically he probably.

Speaker 6 (01:29:10):
Could do it.

Speaker 5 (01:29:12):
Tyler has a prediction game. It's called call me now
for your free reading. Which of the pair of news
headlines below is more likely to happen after the season
is over?

Speaker 2 (01:29:25):
Okay, got me now for your prereading.

Speaker 5 (01:29:29):
Pat's League league in sacks with four players having twelve
plus each, or Pats send two rookies to the Pro Bowl.

Speaker 6 (01:29:37):
Pat send two rookies to the Pro Bowl.

Speaker 5 (01:29:39):
Okay, Pat's proved Gonzo isn't needed by season's end. Or
Hunter Henry passes Russ Francis with third most te touchdowns.

Speaker 2 (01:29:49):
He's currently nine behind.

Speaker 6 (01:29:50):
Hunter Henry passes Okay.

Speaker 5 (01:29:53):
Ben Johnson is out after one season in Chicago. Or
Kellen Moore wins Coach of the Year in New Orleans
More wins Coach of the Yeah, I think that's more likely.
Uh Kurse retires to replace by Tom e Kerrn or
Perillo reached a settlement with team after years of stagnant pay.

Speaker 2 (01:30:11):
Retires.

Speaker 4 (01:30:12):
Probably Curse retires because there's no way I'm getting anything.

Speaker 5 (01:30:16):
And finally, Eric Scalavino's new book climbs to the New
York Times bestseller list.

Speaker 1 (01:30:21):
Or Andy Hart leads a vegan movement in Boston.

Speaker 6 (01:30:25):
I gotta go with Eric there.

Speaker 9 (01:30:28):
Unless Andy did it sarcastically.

Speaker 2 (01:30:30):
Actually, I could see. I could see Andy all of
a sudden becoming a vegan.

Speaker 6 (01:30:33):
Yeah, you guys, just the kind of trendy, like, oh, it's.

Speaker 9 (01:30:39):
Cool, the vegan movements not trend impossible.

Speaker 6 (01:30:42):
Burgers are good, but that's now.

Speaker 9 (01:30:43):
It's the grass fed meat movement, carnivor movement.

Speaker 2 (01:30:47):
And he would do it for a year and then
he would quit and get bored of it. Yeah, yeah,
I could see that.

Speaker 5 (01:30:55):
Gavin wants to know who do you think has the
coaching edge? This week we talked about that. I think
yesterday I.

Speaker 6 (01:31:01):
Think it's a wash. Yeah, they're both good coaches. I
think they have good staffs. You know.

Speaker 4 (01:31:05):
I think Arthur Smith is a former head coach who's
their offensive coordinator. Josh McDaniels is a former head coach
who's Patriots offensive coordinator.

Speaker 6 (01:31:13):
I think it's a wash.

Speaker 5 (01:31:15):
Colin Farrozzi writes in do you think at some point
Zach Corer would be named interim d C assistant d
C if Terrell Williams situation continues.

Speaker 1 (01:31:27):
I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:31:28):
I don't have enough information there to know not, but
I've thought about it. I don't know what Terrell Williams
is long term. Yeah, you know, when I say long term,
I mean within this season. You know, prognosis is well today,
Prognosi right. I just don't have enough information.

Speaker 2 (01:31:45):
So we're waiting for Deuce to come back because we've
got to start picks. But I don't want to start
without him.

Speaker 4 (01:31:49):
All right, why don't we give it another like three
or four minutes, and if he doesn't come back, we'll
have to start. We do have to hurry, especially if
you know we only have three of us.

Speaker 2 (01:31:59):
Well, she's waiting for her flowers.

Speaker 6 (01:32:03):
You too, guy, don't sell yourself, shout.

Speaker 2 (01:32:05):
William writes in got plenty of emails, though.

Speaker 6 (01:32:08):
I'm the only one who's completely useless.

Speaker 5 (01:32:10):
Perillo's points was mentioned by an email or last show.
In the sixth grade in twenty ten, I would watch
Parrillo's Points every Friday on my dial up Internet to
get Paul's prediction for the game to decrease my chances
of crying if they would lose on Sunday. They lost
to the Jets in the divisional round that year. That
soon followed years of watching the old PFWTV and the

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trash Talk segment with Andy and Paul. Finally, when I
went to college, I became a regular listener. In twenty eighteen, Mike,
that was the last time the Patriots won the Super Bowl. Now,
almost ten years later, I'm seeing my first game in
person this Sunday with my wife against the Steelers.

Speaker 6 (01:32:48):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:32:49):
Wow, So that's what you call the pyramid of fandom.

Speaker 5 (01:32:53):
Yeah, start down here, start to go up, and finally
you get to that where you're at the game, actually
at the game spending money.

Speaker 2 (01:33:03):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:33:05):
That was sobering to listen to. In this what do
you say the sixth grade?

Speaker 9 (01:33:09):
They sound like they're as old as I am.

Speaker 4 (01:33:11):
He was in the sixth grade when I was giving,
and he would he would watch the three points just
to get the prediction.

Speaker 2 (01:33:18):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:33:20):
Used to be a when it started five points, there
was two offense, two defense, and then a prediction. Then
I went down to three, so it was one offense,
one defense in a prediction.

Speaker 9 (01:33:30):
Taking your airtime away.

Speaker 5 (01:33:32):
David writes in today's is twenty fourth birthday from Madrid.
Happy birthday. How do you say happy birthday in Spanish?
At least okay, at least cooplianos nailed. I want to
thank you guys and cash twenty two because you guys
are the reason I started to become an NFL fan.

(01:33:52):
I come from a Red Sox family, but not a
real football one.

Speaker 2 (01:33:55):
So okay, So there you go.

Speaker 9 (01:33:57):
Another through the game.

Speaker 2 (01:33:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:34:00):
The biggest question is the following with the Steelers being
a man to man and blitzing team. Are we going
to see a lot of screens from McDaniels also, Well,
we see more of Marty Mapoo Marte mar Pooh this
week because since he got one of the honorary balls
last week.

Speaker 2 (01:34:16):
Or is that reading too much into it?

Speaker 5 (01:34:17):
With ellison splane being underwhelming these first two weeks, yeah, you.

Speaker 4 (01:34:23):
Could see a little more of ma Poo. But he
mean he had a big mistackle too.

Speaker 9 (01:34:30):
However he was we just had that clutch interception, right, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:34:32):
With the big issue, we think being tight ends, could
Mapoo be an answer or at least try to be
an answer for them.

Speaker 6 (01:34:41):
A little bit bigger and more mobile.

Speaker 4 (01:34:43):
Yep, you know, with some coverage, some experience as a
you know, kind of a safety linebacker hybrid.

Speaker 6 (01:34:49):
Yeah that makes sense. Yeah, you guys sold me on it.

Speaker 1 (01:34:51):
Okay, Barton poland Paul is right.

Speaker 5 (01:34:55):
With Gonzo looking like he could be back, Steelers facing
a ton of injuries in the defense, Burrow set to
miss at least three months, meaning he will also miss
the game with us. Paul saying that it always works
out for the Patriots looks as true as ever.

Speaker 6 (01:35:07):
Be nice to get that back into vogue.

Speaker 2 (01:35:10):
Yeah, right, yep.

Speaker 4 (01:35:12):
I mean that was trending for a while. Basically from
like one through nineteen inclusive. Spread everything worked out.

Speaker 2 (01:35:22):
Everything worked out for the Patriots, from the weather on down.

Speaker 6 (01:35:26):
It always said, it always works out for the Patriots.

Speaker 12 (01:35:30):
It's like that Family Guy episode where like Peter Griffin
makes a deal with I don't know if he makes
a deal with the devil or with God, but he
gets Belichick to smile and then he's like, Okay, the
Patriots are like protected.

Speaker 2 (01:35:41):
Now that's what people thought.

Speaker 4 (01:35:43):
Kraft had a dealt Belichick had a weather machine.

Speaker 5 (01:35:46):
Yeah, that Ernie Adams controlled it right, all right? Spin
the dial, Stacy. I could be wrong because I don't
watch as much, so please correct me. But the Steelers
seem to often lean on those safety coverages behind their
pressure looks with high Smith out especially, would you agree
that the Patriots should just run the ball down their

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throats to set up more play action?

Speaker 6 (01:36:10):
Look?

Speaker 2 (01:36:12):
Sorry, worried.

Speaker 1 (01:36:17):
Devin Henry, Hey, Mike what it kind of feels like
that's the spirit of the song.

Speaker 2 (01:36:29):
He's like, well, this is back from the locker room.

Speaker 7 (01:36:38):
Yeah, sorry, sorry, I tried to get back quick. We
not a lot of interviews going on there. Uh in
there today, but uh you know quick ones with with
Jared Wilson and Milton Williams who lovely Alex had a
chance to talk to you yesterday as well. Yeah, there
weren't uppers today, so they got their shoulder pads. That's
what they call paul right, when you just wear the
shoulder pads and not the lower.

Speaker 6 (01:36:56):
They have the regular shoulder pads or.

Speaker 7 (01:36:57):
The regular shoulder not the Yeah, I know they had
the big boys on so maybe they get a little
physical today, but I know we got picks. Not a
lot to take away from the locker room today. Everybody
seemed pretty ready to get out there again. I'm trying
to get Robert splain, but he's been getting out there
pretty quick. I'd like to hear from him, but nothing
so far.

Speaker 2 (01:37:15):
And he was go Zalis.

Speaker 1 (01:37:18):
Still Gonzalez look actually suck kee on white in the
locker room.

Speaker 7 (01:37:21):
That's probably a good note to make. He was in
the locker room today, saw him walking out then. I'm
not sure if he's going out and with the shoulder pads,
so he might still be limited, but probably good sign.

Speaker 1 (01:37:30):
He was in the locker room, okay.

Speaker 7 (01:37:31):
And I saw Gonzo in there as well, So yeah,
hopefully link the injury report.

Speaker 1 (01:37:35):
Hopefully those guys are able to go.

Speaker 5 (01:37:37):
Sounds good, all right, it is that time of the week.

Speaker 2 (01:37:46):
Okay, what happened last week?

Speaker 4 (01:37:48):
So Fred, you took the challenge last week. Didn't want
to let our girl Alex just walk away with it,
so you both went thirteen and three, which is so
would work? Continuing the solid work be Mike and Evan
at eleven and five. Nothing nothing to sneeze at their
good solid record, all.

Speaker 1 (01:38:12):
Like chicken chicken fingers.

Speaker 6 (01:38:14):
Paul was seven. No further further.

Speaker 4 (01:38:20):
With the spread, as Fred likes to say, where the
men separated.

Speaker 1 (01:38:25):
From the boys or the women from the girls.

Speaker 4 (01:38:28):
Correct Bred eleven and five with the spread good number
one spread. Evan ball noer ten and six, followed by
Alex at seven and nine. You gotta pick it up
a little bit, okay, spread Mike six and ten.

Speaker 5 (01:38:47):
And Paul went and eleven. You're gonna get your ever
at I D card taken away.

Speaker 6 (01:38:54):
So these these numbers are not pretty for me.

Speaker 4 (01:38:56):
I have completely lost my feel for the league. The
overall through week two standings, this is pretty impressive. Alex
twenty seven and five, that's a good records. Damn Fred,
you get flowers too, twenty six and six, Nipping at
the heels Mike, Mike twenty three and nine. On a

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normal year, that would be right in the money.

Speaker 2 (01:39:21):
But or on one of your shows.

Speaker 6 (01:39:24):
Evan twenty and twelve, Paul seventeen and fifteen, woween fifteen.
I'm just going to go to my one here for
a second.

Speaker 4 (01:39:35):
I want to apologize to the emailer who in the
sixth grade used to listen into three points with Perillo
just to get a prediction from me.

Speaker 6 (01:39:45):
I'm just killing everybody.

Speaker 4 (01:39:46):
This seventeen and fifteen is completely unacceptable. Changes will be
made if things do not change quickly, bottoms of that record.
So promise, I'll just make this promise to all of
you right now.

Speaker 6 (01:39:58):
I will be better. I will do better.

Speaker 5 (01:40:00):
Next show we have Matisa's going to say that we
relegate all for one episode.

Speaker 4 (01:40:05):
With the Spread put him down to Catch twenty teen,
Fred Spread nineteen and thirteen leads the way. Everybody's kind
of struggling with the Spread Alex and Evans sixteen and sixteen,
followed by Mike at fourteen and eighteen.

Speaker 6 (01:40:20):
I No Balls eleven and twenty one.

Speaker 2 (01:40:23):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (01:40:24):
Even how you going to pay for college?

Speaker 6 (01:40:27):
Wow?

Speaker 1 (01:40:28):
Not by gambling?

Speaker 4 (01:40:29):
Why I'm driving around twenty thirteen hundred cord with two
hundred and eighty thousand miles on it and a rejection
sticker out?

Speaker 6 (01:40:35):
But this is a good Why is where it's all going.

Speaker 5 (01:40:38):
This is a good sign for the Patriots that that
I'm doing so well because we are SpotCo mesh all right.
Tonight eight fifteen on Prime Video is the zero and
two Dolphins against the two and zero Bills.

Speaker 4 (01:40:51):
The Bills are favored by twelve and a half. And
the only question I have is this the final game
is Miami Dolphins head coach for Mike McDaniel.

Speaker 1 (01:41:01):
That's going a lot, isn't it? A little bit of him?
I mean, it's on the road. Buffalo has owned Miami.

Speaker 7 (01:41:06):
You just lost a tough last minute game to a league,
you know, division rival, and now you've got to go
play one.

Speaker 1 (01:41:11):
Of the best in the league.

Speaker 4 (01:41:12):
I think that's why people are thinking it's probably going
to be the last game for him, because they just
lost to the Patriots.

Speaker 7 (01:41:17):
Yeah, it so it's more about the Patriots, And then
it's just this is a really big ass to go
up the Buffalo and know your careers on the line.
You gotta beat Josh Allen. That's going a lot. I
got Buffalo alay the points.

Speaker 1 (01:41:27):
It is his last game, Buffalo Buffalo.

Speaker 4 (01:41:30):
Yeah, normally I would take the points in a Thursday
night game, but I can't.

Speaker 2 (01:41:36):
I just yeah, frankly, I'm that close in terms of
the points. I'm going to go both ways.

Speaker 6 (01:41:43):
Three for being home.

Speaker 2 (01:41:44):
That's true. I've heard it's true.

Speaker 6 (01:41:46):
It's really only a nine and a half point.

Speaker 2 (01:41:47):
But I'm gonna I'm going both ways with Buffalo as well.
I'm looking for a blood bath. But you never know.

Speaker 7 (01:41:55):
Do you think Miami has any fighting them or do
you think they're just waiting to waiting to pack it in.

Speaker 4 (01:41:58):
I didn't think that they showed a tremendous amount of
fight in the game. I know that they got back,
you know, off the mat, and they executed a little
bit better, But I didn't really think that they showed
a lot of fight in the game last week either. No,
I don't think that they'll have much now. But Thursday
night games can be funny sometimes. You know, the team
Buffalo's probably spent short week, Miami's reeling. We always beat

(01:42:21):
them at home, especially you know, never.

Speaker 5 (01:42:24):
Know, or as Parcels would put out the mouse traps
for this game, you'd hang them from this and take
the cheese, and take the cheese.

Speaker 1 (01:42:31):
Take the cheese.

Speaker 4 (01:42:32):
You're gonna Those are the kind of stories you're gonna
tell them Saturday, we might.

Speaker 1 (01:42:35):
Remember used to say, don't take the cheese.

Speaker 6 (01:42:39):
That was cool, that was awesome.

Speaker 13 (01:42:41):
All right.

Speaker 5 (01:42:42):
We moved to Sunday at one on Fox. The one
on one Falcons are at the oh and two Panthers.

Speaker 6 (01:42:48):
Atlanta by five and a half.

Speaker 7 (01:42:51):
Yeah, I could division game. I'm gonna take Atlanta and
this one I'll lay the points.

Speaker 9 (01:42:57):
I'm gonna take Atlanta.

Speaker 12 (01:42:59):
Carolina's made games like kind of close and then ultimately lose.

Speaker 9 (01:43:05):
I'll give Carolina the points.

Speaker 4 (01:43:10):
I am gonna do the same as Alex because she's
leading the contest, so I'm just gonna cheat off of
her picks.

Speaker 2 (01:43:16):
What was the number again?

Speaker 6 (01:43:18):
Five and a half?

Speaker 4 (01:43:18):
Oh, Atlanta, I'll take to win, but I'll take Carolina
to cover its back to a cover for the Panthers
last ye.

Speaker 5 (01:43:25):
Yeah, the reason why I'm doing well is because of
this Panthers both ways.

Speaker 1 (01:43:30):
Okay, wow, so be riding high coming here next week.

Speaker 2 (01:43:33):
Yeah, that's why you gotta have You.

Speaker 4 (01:43:37):
Know, you're not in first place, alex Is just I
am against the spread.

Speaker 6 (01:43:41):
It's different.

Speaker 2 (01:43:42):
That's all that counts you.

Speaker 4 (01:43:44):
Yeah, she picked the same as you with the spread. Okay,
you picked them to win.

Speaker 1 (01:43:48):
I know, but I'm winning against the spread.

Speaker 6 (01:43:50):
But you're a game behind.

Speaker 1 (01:43:51):
It doesn't matter, not against the spread.

Speaker 2 (01:43:54):
That's what counts.

Speaker 7 (01:43:56):
See to the caller wants me to like chime in
and break up this magic, like let them work, like,
just let them cook, let's do it.

Speaker 6 (01:44:03):
You don't want to hear me?

Speaker 1 (01:44:04):
Am I bad?

Speaker 2 (01:44:04):
All right?

Speaker 13 (01:44:07):
Sixteen?

Speaker 2 (01:44:09):
The two and oh Packers are at the zero to two.

Speaker 4 (01:44:12):
Brown Packers might be playing the best of any team
so far through two weeks.

Speaker 6 (01:44:16):
They are favored by eight and a half.

Speaker 1 (01:44:17):
Yeah they are.

Speaker 7 (01:44:18):
Uh, you know what though, I'm gonna I I just
I can't get out of my head. Jordan Love just
has some ups and downstill. I'm not ruling to say
like he's fully arrived just yet. I'm going to take
green Bay to win, but I'm gonna take the Cleveland points.
Tough defense, maybe a little bit of a sloppy day
from the green Bay offense.

Speaker 12 (01:44:33):
Cleveland cover is tempting, but I am riding with green
Bay both ways until they give me a reason to not.

Speaker 4 (01:44:42):
So I'm gonna go with Mike, even though Mike's not
doing very well with the spread. I'm gonna take green
Bay to win. They're much better team than Cleveland. But
I agree the Browns defense is pretty good, and I
think that they'll slow down.

Speaker 6 (01:44:54):
The Packers a little bit. I'll take the cover.

Speaker 2 (01:44:58):
Correct.

Speaker 6 (01:44:58):
Okay, Brown's cover.

Speaker 5 (01:45:01):
Packers win one o'clock on CBS. I went two Texans
at the one and one Jaguars.

Speaker 6 (01:45:08):
Jacksonville by two and a half.

Speaker 1 (01:45:11):
I didn't really catch much of that Jacksonville Bengals game.

Speaker 6 (01:45:14):
A game that Jacksonville probably should have won. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I know.

Speaker 1 (01:45:17):
I know they feel like got a.

Speaker 6 (01:45:19):
Bad pass in affarance call on Travis Hunter too.

Speaker 7 (01:45:22):
Yeah, I feels like there's some they're spinning their ros
a little bit. I'm gonna I'm gonna take Jacksonville to win.

Speaker 1 (01:45:27):
Not sure what's up with Nick Keyley and c J. Stroud.

Speaker 4 (01:45:31):
Same same problems as they had last year. Yeah, offensive
line is not good. Jaggs, Jaggs, you know, I'm gonna
take Houston to win outright.

Speaker 6 (01:45:46):
Wow, Okay, why seventeen and fifteen and eleven and twenty.

Speaker 5 (01:45:51):
Oh, but that that that's a courageous pick. I'm gonna
take Jaguars both ways one o'clock at CBS, the two
and zero Benk goals are at the one and one.

Speaker 4 (01:46:01):
Vikings Minnesota by three. Right, So we battle of backup quarter.

Speaker 7 (01:46:07):
Carson Wentz against Jake what's his name around Browning?

Speaker 1 (01:46:11):
Browning?

Speaker 7 (01:46:12):
Uh Man, There's a lot of factors that work here.
You know what, I'm gonna go Cincy on the road.
I just I'm gonna lean slightly towards Jake Browning over
Carson Wentz saw I'm interviewed today. Don't really seem like
he's he's been up the speed just yet. So I'll
take Cincy, give me the points.

Speaker 12 (01:46:33):
I'm gonna take Minnesota at home both ways.

Speaker 6 (01:46:38):
So I'm going to take Cincinnati as well.

Speaker 4 (01:46:40):
And it is for what Mike said, I think more
of Browning than I do Wentz at this stage. I
saw her stat today on Carson Wentz He's going to
become the first player NFL history to start six straight
years for six different teams.

Speaker 6 (01:46:52):
Wow, that quarterback. I didn't look it up. So I
don't know if it's true, but everything you've read on
the internet is true.

Speaker 1 (01:46:58):
That's true. Yeah, we'll just go with it.

Speaker 5 (01:47:00):
Taking the Vikings for obvious reasons. I hate the Bengals,
but I do.

Speaker 6 (01:47:04):
It's obvious. You don't have to tell everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:47:06):
I was impressed by the Bengals winning last week. I
have to give it to them.

Speaker 12 (01:47:10):
Yeah, that was quarterback ye running a great quote like,
how do you kind of like keep the right mindset
through the game?

Speaker 2 (01:47:17):
He was like, I'm delusional, Yeah, but I'm really rooting
hard for the Vikings there. They don't look too good though.

Speaker 5 (01:47:25):
One o'clock on Fox, the two and oh Rams at
the two and oh Eagles.

Speaker 6 (01:47:29):
One of the best days. This is a one o'clock game.

Speaker 2 (01:47:32):
Yeah, big, big one o'clock slate this week.

Speaker 6 (01:47:35):
So this this game is the Rams are at Philadelphia.

Speaker 2 (01:47:40):
The Rams are at Philadelphia.

Speaker 4 (01:47:42):
Paul, Okay, Well, I wrote it down wrong, and I thing,
and that's very rare for me.

Speaker 7 (01:47:45):
Well three and a half, three and a half, all right,
I'm gonna go with Paul's guy, Matthew Stafford.

Speaker 1 (01:47:53):
I think I think the Rams have what it takes
to knock off Philly. Pull off an upset. I'm gonna
go with the upset Rams.

Speaker 12 (01:48:01):
I'm going to take Philly at home, but I think
the Rams make it a close one in cover.

Speaker 6 (01:48:07):
I'm going to take Philly both ways.

Speaker 4 (01:48:10):
I do think the Rams they probably played Philadelphia as well.
I mean, they definitely played them better than anybody in
the playoffs last year, but they had a pretty close
game in the regular season as well. I just think
the Eagles are a little bit better, and I think
at home they'll they'll cover.

Speaker 2 (01:48:25):
I agree, but the Eagles don't cover on the Okay, Yeah,
gives me a chance.

Speaker 6 (01:48:30):
Yep, it gives me a chance to pick up a
game with the spread.

Speaker 5 (01:48:33):
There one o'clock on Fox, the zero to two Jets
are at the two and zero Buccaneers.

Speaker 4 (01:48:40):
Let's see Baker is baking with a seven point favorite
and seven point.

Speaker 2 (01:48:45):
Justin fields out.

Speaker 1 (01:48:46):
Yeah it was.

Speaker 7 (01:48:47):
Tyrod Taylor is part Taylor who probably has a record
like that.

Speaker 4 (01:48:50):
He looks for a lot of three yard passes. Yeah,
I all interceptions.

Speaker 7 (01:48:54):
I won't apologize for last week because I said in
the picks that I thought CJ.

Speaker 1 (01:48:57):
Straut was better than Baker Mayfield.

Speaker 2 (01:48:59):
I was.

Speaker 7 (01:49:00):
I think I've been scarred by watching Baker Mayfield play
here in a joint practice and listen to me, and that's.

Speaker 6 (01:49:04):
All you have to than Baker Mayfield.

Speaker 7 (01:49:07):
I mean not maybe not right at the moment. I
don't know that I'm gonna take Tampa. I won't make
that mistake again. I'm gonna lay the seven points for
the Jets for sure, Tampa Tampa.

Speaker 6 (01:49:19):
I will take Tampa, but I will take the points.

Speaker 2 (01:49:23):
Yep, me too. That's an easy one. Close to a lot,
but not quite.

Speaker 5 (01:49:28):
Sunday at one CBS, the two and oh cults are
at the oh and two Titans.

Speaker 6 (01:49:36):
Ind by four and a half on the road four
and a half.

Speaker 1 (01:49:39):
Daniel Jones, just you love to see it.

Speaker 7 (01:49:41):
I love the chaos of the league punts. I mean,
I just I love when something like this happens and
it turns all your conventional wisdom about quarterbacking on its
head and all that.

Speaker 6 (01:49:51):
Much like coaching matters, it does well.

Speaker 7 (01:49:54):
I'm gonna I'm gonna keep the train wrolling. DJ I'm
gonna lay the points too against Tennessee.

Speaker 4 (01:50:02):
Oh boy, I am gonna take the Colts, but I
will take the points. I think the Colts might have
been as Fred likes to say, smelling their farts all
the week and you know, feeling good about themselves and
they are on the road division game.

Speaker 6 (01:50:15):
I'll take the points.

Speaker 5 (01:50:16):
I'm gonna take Titans outright, Yeah, I just I can't
live with the three and oh Colts.

Speaker 2 (01:50:23):
That's that's poor to me, weird.

Speaker 6 (01:50:26):
Musa be so hard to have all that hate in
one head.

Speaker 5 (01:50:28):
Yeah, Sunday at one, the one and one Raiders are
at the one in one Commanders.

Speaker 6 (01:50:35):
Commanders by three with no Jaden Daniels.

Speaker 1 (01:50:37):
Yeah, yeah, that's uh.

Speaker 6 (01:50:40):
Marcus Mario too, this is another one.

Speaker 7 (01:50:42):
I'm scarred because, like I see Geno Smith come here
and just have his way with the.

Speaker 4 (01:50:45):
Patriots to watch them, and he's never had a football
in his hands before.

Speaker 7 (01:50:50):
I just don't get it. You know, I'm gonna take shoot.
I think I'm gonna have to go back. Man, this
is a really hard one. Who's this backup for Washington?

Speaker 6 (01:50:59):
Mat Marcus Mario might want to pay attention when I
give you information.

Speaker 7 (01:51:04):
Oh man, that's why she's leading the picks.

Speaker 1 (01:51:07):
I'm going to go with Vegas. I don't feel great
about it, though.

Speaker 4 (01:51:11):
Vegas, you say so, Yeah, I'm going to do it too.
I'm going to pick Vegas. Gino Smith's better than he
played last week. He'll bounce back.

Speaker 2 (01:51:26):
Brady in the booth. He be in the booth for
this game.

Speaker 5 (01:51:29):
But I am going to take the Raiders to win
the game. This is part of the Commanders. Let's really
strength fall back to Earth from last year.

Speaker 2 (01:51:38):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:51:38):
We predicted that, Uh, we did predict it, but I
wouldn't necessarily have predicted that Jade Daniels wasn't going to
be It's.

Speaker 2 (01:51:46):
Tough to win in the NFL.

Speaker 5 (01:51:47):
And you know, all right now we skip over the
Patriots at one o'clock and we moved to four oh five.

Speaker 2 (01:51:55):
This must be a typo. The Broncos are on the
road for the second week in a row at the
Chargers one in one, Broncos two and oh.

Speaker 6 (01:52:02):
Chargers the lack by two and a half.

Speaker 1 (01:52:05):
It's an interesting line. Uh. This is a good game.
I mean, this is a good Uh, this is a
good red zone game. Paul watching Justin Herbert that I.

Speaker 4 (01:52:12):
Really bummed out that the Rams and Eagles are at
one o'clock. That would have been prime red zone for me.

Speaker 7 (01:52:17):
Yeah, I gotta go with Justin Herbert. He's playing too
good right now. I'll lay the points.

Speaker 9 (01:52:23):
Chargers, Chargers.

Speaker 4 (01:52:27):
Yeah, this is a spot where the Chargers typically would
like stumble when everybody's like.

Speaker 6 (01:52:33):
Oh, they've they've.

Speaker 4 (01:52:34):
Turned the corner. They're a good team now. But I'm
gonna I'm gonna put some faith in them. I think
Herbert looks a little different to me.

Speaker 2 (01:52:40):
And this is year two of Harbaugh. Yeah, yeah, that's
a big deal, right, it's a big deal.

Speaker 5 (01:52:44):
I think they take the Chargers four oh five on
CBS oh and two Saints at the one and one Seahawks.

Speaker 4 (01:52:52):
Saints have been a little frisky, even though the winless
uh Seattle by seven seven.

Speaker 7 (01:53:00):
I don't think is gonna be frisky in Seattle. I'll
take Seattle all lay the points.

Speaker 9 (01:53:06):
I'll take Seattle. I'll give them New Orleans points.

Speaker 6 (01:53:09):
I'm gonna go with my.

Speaker 9 (01:53:10):
Yeah, I A I'm trying to hed I'm trying to
hedge you.

Speaker 4 (01:53:13):
I do think at Seattle tough when you're not used
to playing there. I'll take Seattle both ways. I do
think New Orlean's been a little yeah risky though.

Speaker 2 (01:53:22):
Yeah, maybe teams are underestimating them a little bit. I
don't know. I'm gonna take Seahawks both ways too.

Speaker 5 (01:53:27):
For twenty five on Fox, the one in one Cowboys
are at the zero to two.

Speaker 4 (01:53:32):
Bears Dallas by one and a half, and I wouldn't
be surprised if it's dallash Wow, as Colin Coward might.

Speaker 1 (01:53:39):
This one flipped for us.

Speaker 6 (01:53:41):
Yeah, Chicago teams got it wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:53:43):
Yeah, Chicago have another one wrong.

Speaker 7 (01:53:46):
Ben Johnson saying that they don't practice with championship habits
just yet.

Speaker 1 (01:53:50):
I think that continues another week. I'm gonna take Dallas
lay the point and a half.

Speaker 6 (01:53:54):
I like Dallas too, so I don't really like anybody
in this game.

Speaker 4 (01:53:59):
But I'm gonna take Chicago because I think the Cowboys
defense is wretchedly bad and I think Ben Johnson might
be able to take advantage of that. I'm gonna take
Chicago to get their first.

Speaker 2 (01:54:09):
Win the Bears.

Speaker 5 (01:54:11):
I'm taking the Bears to beat the Cowboys just because I.

Speaker 2 (01:54:15):
Want them to.

Speaker 4 (01:54:15):
I mean, I watch highlights of that Russell Wilson throwing
for four hundred and fifty yards against that defense, Like
that's bad.

Speaker 5 (01:54:23):
Four on Fox, the two and oh Cardinals at the
two and oh forty nine Ers, Big Division matchup.

Speaker 6 (01:54:29):
Yeah, San fran By two and a half.

Speaker 7 (01:54:32):
Good, good game, Mac Jones rolling getting a lot of
love if he's playing.

Speaker 6 (01:54:36):
Oh really, so you think they said Purdy has a
chance to play.

Speaker 2 (01:54:42):
Those Matt Jones like poisoning his food right now?

Speaker 1 (01:54:46):
Lordy.

Speaker 4 (01:54:46):
I don't know if there's been an update today, but
the last I heard there was a chance.

Speaker 6 (01:54:50):
Yeah, pretty good play.

Speaker 7 (01:54:51):
I do like Arizona, and I feel like somebody owns
somebody in this one, Paul.

Speaker 1 (01:54:55):
Maybe now I'm gonna go San Francisco at home.

Speaker 6 (01:54:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:54:59):
I think you're right, because that's where the division of
ownership is the NFC West.

Speaker 6 (01:55:03):
But I don't know what the answer.

Speaker 1 (01:55:03):
Are always weird. What was this bet on the two
and a half Arizona?

Speaker 2 (01:55:07):
Yeah, no and a half?

Speaker 1 (01:55:10):
Come on, it flipped on my poor sheet. Your sheet
is never Arizona was.

Speaker 6 (01:55:16):
Favored on the road.

Speaker 9 (01:55:20):
A little print out for us?

Speaker 2 (01:55:21):
Yeah, I know, but where do you get it?

Speaker 1 (01:55:23):
So I Google it's print your brackets dot com.

Speaker 2 (01:55:27):
Okay, did you go to DraftKings.

Speaker 1 (01:55:29):
They don't have a principal break and printable. I've been
used this for years and I'm gonna print your brackets stock.

Speaker 12 (01:55:36):
This is a coin flip one especially with Purty kind
of up in the air.

Speaker 9 (01:55:42):
Uh, s Francisco.

Speaker 12 (01:55:45):
I guess Paul looks bewildered right now.

Speaker 4 (01:55:48):
I'm just looking some stuff up just to make sure
I didn't do things up. I am also going to
take the Niners. I think they're a better team. I
do think the Cardinals have improved. I think Gannon has
you know, got them going the right direction. But I'll
take the Niners.

Speaker 2 (01:56:01):
I'm gonna take the forty nine ers as well.

Speaker 5 (01:56:04):
Okay, Sunday Night, eight twenty on NBC in Universo.

Speaker 2 (01:56:09):
Uh, the two Chiefs at the oh and two Giants.

Speaker 6 (01:56:14):
Uh, the Chiefs by six. Great, great night game.

Speaker 1 (01:56:18):
Yeah, that is a great game.

Speaker 6 (01:56:20):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:56:20):
I'm gonna take Kansas City and I'm gonna lay the points.
I think they get started in New York.

Speaker 9 (01:56:26):
Yeah, Kansas City.

Speaker 12 (01:56:27):
I think this is a must win for morale for them.

Speaker 4 (01:56:32):
Yeah, I think the Chiefs defense gets it done. I'll
take Kansas City.

Speaker 1 (01:56:37):
Me too, but I'll be rooting hard for the Giants. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:56:41):
So yeah, that's one of those games where you just
have to pick.

Speaker 6 (01:56:44):
The Chiefs again. So much hate such.

Speaker 5 (01:56:47):
Absolutely come on, now, that's that's what makes it fun.

Speaker 2 (01:56:51):
Paul you have to have a reason to run against
the team.

Speaker 6 (01:56:55):
Yeah, some might say it would be fun to root
for somebody to.

Speaker 1 (01:57:01):
Root for the Patriots for lost roots.

Speaker 2 (01:57:03):
Again, I root for the Patriots and I root against
everybody else.

Speaker 5 (01:57:07):
Monday Night, eight fifteen ESPN, ABC, ESPN two, ESPN Deportes
the one and one Lions at the one and one Ravens.

Speaker 4 (01:57:16):
Now this, now, this is that's a man.

Speaker 6 (01:57:22):
Baltimore by four and a half. That's a good matchup.

Speaker 7 (01:57:25):
Yeah, that is a good matchup. I look forward watching that.
I'm going to take Baltimore at home. I will lay
the point. Lamar gets it done.

Speaker 9 (01:57:34):
I love Baltimore. I will take them to win.

Speaker 12 (01:57:36):
However, I think Detroit ramped it up a little last week.

Speaker 1 (01:57:42):
Give them the rampant.

Speaker 4 (01:57:45):
I am going to go with deuce and I'm going
to say the Ravens at home win, maybe by two scores.

Speaker 5 (01:57:53):
Yeah, I'm game to hedge my bet for the possible
Lions win, which I think could very well happen. I
will take the points, but the Ravens went at home,
all right.

Speaker 2 (01:58:05):
Now we move back to one o'clock on CBS, the
one and one Steelers at the one and one.

Speaker 6 (01:58:13):
Patriots Pittsburgh by one and a half.

Speaker 1 (01:58:17):
Yeah, no question here, I'm going Patriots. I'll take that
point and a half. It's just you know history. I
think New One has got some momentum. I expect Pittsburgh
to be better. I don't think it's going to be
an easy game, but.

Speaker 7 (01:58:28):
I think they'll get after Aaron Rodgers, They'll get enough pressure,
and I think they'll score enough points.

Speaker 1 (01:58:32):
I'm gonna go Patriots twenty three to seventeen.

Speaker 12 (01:58:37):
Home Dogs Patriots twenty seven, Steelers twenty one.

Speaker 6 (01:58:45):
I also like the Patriots in this game.

Speaker 4 (01:58:46):
Those injuries I don't think are a joke for Pittsburgh,
and I think that's been a big part of their
problem defensively, and that's their identity is defense. I don't
think they have a high powered offense, so I'm not
worried about them having to get into a shootout. Think
the Patriots win this one at home. Fred gets the
home win he's been looking for. Twenty three to twenty
New England.

Speaker 5 (01:59:06):
Okay, Alex and I are in the same page in
terms of the Patriots points twenty seven.

Speaker 2 (01:59:12):
I agree with.

Speaker 6 (01:59:13):
That Pittsburgh is zero h No.

Speaker 5 (01:59:16):
Pittsburgh manages seventeen, So twenty seven to seventeen, Patriots win
two on one baby with Carolina coming to town.

Speaker 2 (01:59:26):
We're on a roll, all right, and we're out of time.

Speaker 5 (01:59:30):
So thank you everybody for watching, listening.

Speaker 2 (01:59:34):
Have a good weekend.

Speaker 5 (01:59:35):
Remember Saturday is the induction ceremony, starts at four o'clock.
We will have that live on Patriots dot com Patriots YouTube,
so make sure you're.

Speaker 6 (01:59:45):
Here for reverso.

Speaker 2 (01:59:46):
Yeah, so tune in for that.

Speaker 5 (01:59:49):
It should be a really good event and then we'll
see you Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:59:54):
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