Patriots Unfiltered 9/2: Recent Moves/News, 2025 Captains, Raiders Preview

Tune-in as the PU crew dives into all things Patriots as they head into week one. They react to recent moves including the unexpected release of safety Jabrill Peppers and analyze what that could tell fans about this year's Patriots defense. They react to this year's Patriots captains and give their takes on  the locker room leaders. Plus, they preview this week's home opener against Raiders including projected starters, matchups and more!

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Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.

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Well, your play.

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I'm not a player, but I guess no.

Speaker 5 (00:23):
Okay, that was one of the most genuinely funny things.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
You've ever said.

Speaker 6 (00:30):
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against pressure, but also up near the top of the
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Speaker 4 (00:38):
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Speaker 3 (00:41):
I loved him. Yeah, on board, Yeah, he's on board.

Speaker 5 (00:45):
Yeah, but this type of inspect to win him over.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
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grades of the Patriots. Well, I give it an egg.
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that goes hard. That word from Nelson to your your
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Speaker 5 (01:08):
He's not lying.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
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Patriots unfiltered. It is Tuesday here at Jiltt Stadium. But
more importantly, we are back to three days a week.
This is opening week, Week one Raiders on Sunday. We

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are excited. I mean, if nothing else, going back to
three days a week, something to something to celebrate. There
you go, that's the big news. I swee yeah, jacked out. Yeah,
boys all jacked up on mountain dew. So this is it.
This is show one of the regular season, Show one
week one Raiders.

Speaker 5 (01:52):
We are what do we do?

Speaker 4 (01:53):
I feel like we need some fanfare.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
I went well as.

Speaker 5 (01:56):
A matter of fan man.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
We have a new song, Matt, I don't know you had.
It's so cute up now giving okay, go ahead.

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Hey it's a Brando hope you season don't look it up.
But pauls pretty slim. We haven't tied the Knockduce gott
a dug. It's trying to find someone to mowys nod
and Alex is just reading the stars. Alex is just
reading the stars.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
We've got a.

Speaker 8 (02:28):
New house for pretty and post game shows, bets in
the booth making everything.

Speaker 7 (02:34):
We're all pretty stoked about Fable and mag.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
And everybody still hating no Christian.

Speaker 9 (02:40):
Hey, it's a brand. Hope you season the pass. We
have us something to believe that.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
We're already for three shows the week. It's been too long.
And I hope I get a T shirt for writing
this song.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
All right, very well done, what a way to kick
it off.

Speaker 5 (02:58):
Very well.

Speaker 4 (02:59):
I was seeing a music video, you know where there's
like a lot of like you turn to the camera
and smile, you know, like Paul Perilla, right and Evan
Lazar and introducing flipping it to each other.

Speaker 10 (03:11):
Right, she never disappointed?

Speaker 5 (03:16):
Good stuff, Alex is uh, looking at.

Speaker 11 (03:20):
That?

Speaker 10 (03:20):
Seems so Matt.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
I do think we need to send her a T shirt, Absolutely,
no doubt about it. You contribute that.

Speaker 5 (03:27):
Way, she can get that by the end of the season.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
Earn yourself effort please. All right, Well, anyway, it's Evan,
it's it's me, it's Matt and the booth, and we're
talking Patriots. Any news that we want to get out
of the way other than you went to see going
down last week last night.

Speaker 5 (03:46):
I mean, there's some Patriots news that we haven't discussed
on our.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
Shows right quite a bit. Let's get right into.

Speaker 5 (03:52):
A significant transaction. I would say, late last week brill Peppers. Yeah,
it seems like forever ago. It was Friday, Friday, Yeah, Friday,
but we haven't had a show since then. Surprise. I
thought it was a surprising transaction.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
I was surprised. I mean, listen, as of last week,
I thought he might be a captain.

Speaker 5 (04:08):
So you did say, yeah, I kind of. I've been
nice about it, and I haven't. I haven't mocked because
I was surprised by it too. I don't want to
be a fraud.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (04:16):
I think sometimes you can get blinded by guys who
talk like captains and talk like they're speaking for the
team before you've really settled the team. And this summer,
Gibil Peppers, that's just how he talks like he leader.
He's been around for a while, he's more a veteran.
All summer long, when he talked, it was always you know,
what we got to do and how we got to play,
And it seemed like he was getting back on track.

(04:37):
And then, you know, I said before in Minnesota, it
seemed like things kind of went sideways a little bit.
He got picked on a little bit in the first
joint practice, went up and defended a pass. I think
that's why he didn't play in the second practice or
the game, played a lot in that fourth or third
preseason game. But I'm still surprised even though we saw
his role reduced. I think he's a fiery guy, has
that personality you thought might match well with Mike Brabel.

(04:59):
But you know, now we're all trying to figure out
what exactly, why exactly?

Speaker 3 (05:04):
You know, and and I think you know he at
least from his tweet Pepper's, he thinks it was because
of scheme. For some reason. Vrabel said, well, it's not scheme.
We want a lot of players who are versatile, and so,
you know. But to me, it's it's a combination of Yes,

(05:25):
this I didn't want to call it the scheme, but
the way they're going to play defense, for the most part,
is different in the past. You know, they don't need
the in the box safety as on all three downs
as they did in the past. They've got two guys
that fit that description who make decent money. They probably

(05:46):
only need one. They tried to trade Duggers that didn't happen.
So now you've still got two. You have to decide
which one are we going to keep? And they I
think they decided Douggers. Obviously, that's what if my theory
is true, that's what that's what they decided on.

Speaker 4 (06:06):
I mean, I even question that a little bit because
Douger's wearing a scout team number in yesterday's practice. So
if you want to tell me that we're going to
get into the game and Dougger's going to play fifteen
to twenty twenty, you know, a small defensive role, but
has a defensive role, then maybe I could see that.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
But that's what I think.

Speaker 4 (06:23):
My feeling is, Douger ain't really gonna play well.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
I think I think that the type of safety that
those two guys represent has been reduced to a situational
role on this Tim Yeah.

Speaker 4 (06:34):
I mean, I'd love to get Evan's thoughts on this
because I knew we're going to talk about it today
and I was just you know, thinking, and maybe this
is too much of a generalization, but would you say
that kind of the in the box safety kind of
define what Bill Belichick's defense was like? That was you
wanted Patrick Chung making the tackles, you know, he was
the key piece.

Speaker 5 (06:51):
You hope that Kyle Dugger was.

Speaker 4 (06:52):
Gonna they couldn't get enough of those guys they're drafting
Marty Maphu when they've already you know. Now, meanwhile, the
rest of the league is all going to cover two
and playing too deep shell and that style of defense.
So you know, I know there's a baseline talent that
you look at Jabrill Peppers and he seems talented. But
I do see that they're getting away from They want
their linebackers to make the place. Now, those are what's

(07:13):
going to define this team' Roberts playing haveing one hundred
and fifty tackles.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
We talked about the front being more aggressive than it has,
you know, not so much space eaters, but guys that
are going to get upfield. When that happens, if you
don't get there, you leave yourself vulnerable. So you have
to have that back end safety net, you know, hence
the word safety more so than I think in the
past perhaps, And so they need that other person back

(07:40):
there who can to a certain degree cover a little
bit at least keep the play in front of them.
I think that's all part of it. And then I
think money does have something to do with it. I
think both Peppers and Dougglers are making decent money and
they felt like we could, you know, use elsewhere. Now.

(08:01):
I don't think it should be a factor because the
money's already spent. It's not like huge money. They're well
under the cap. It's not like they have that's even
a factor. But I really do think it's like we've
got we don't need both of these guys.

Speaker 10 (08:16):
Yeah, that's where I'm at with it.

Speaker 6 (08:18):
I think they had two guys that they saw as redundant,
and even going back to the spring, there was signs
that they saw the two of them as redundant where
they were trying to put Hawkins next to one of them,
and then Craig Woodson starts to make a push and
he's next to the Dugger Peppers, and they're they're trying
to find the right combination back there of having more

(08:38):
of a true strong and free safety and not having
two guys that both really belong closer to the line
of scrimmage. So that started happening. I would say May
and June like, that's not a new development. And then
I also think you have to look at the angle
of well, if we have Dugger and Peppers both here

(08:59):
and both of them really are aren't playing, and one
of them really isn't playing, then what does that do
in the locker room and the whole hierarchy of the
locker room and that whole thing. I do think that
they care, especially and you're one of this entire regime,
that that's a big factor and all of this as well,
even though verybel kind of downplayed it along amongst other

(09:19):
things with the scheme and the fact that all the
captains from last year are now gone.

Speaker 10 (09:24):
He downplayed all those things.

Speaker 6 (09:25):
But if you have Jabriel Peppers as a fourth string safety,
this guy is getting paid pretty well, has been a
captain on this team before, is a voice in the
locker room, is a fan favorite, like all these different things.
It's hard to have that person in your locker room
and still have the right sort of message get across

(09:46):
of we're all pulling in the same direction and we
all are on board with winning and all that kind
of thing. So with those two guys, I think they
decided they only needed one of them, and it was
easier to cut Peppers than it was to cut Dugger
from a financial sandpoint, so they ended up deciding to
cut Peppers.

Speaker 5 (10:03):
Yeah, I just think Rabel's really done a lot of
work over the last few months just trying to get
past the previous regime, and he's moving on with his
own guys, and I think this is just a continuation
of that.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
So may on the chopping block, no oh, because he's
the previous regime.

Speaker 5 (10:24):
Okay, as long as we're going to take it seriously,
well I.

Speaker 3 (10:27):
Am, I mean like like, I think you're right.

Speaker 5 (10:30):
I think there's certain In my view, there are maybe
three more guys that fall into that category that is
still here, Keon White, who's falling down the depth chart,
and Wild Dager who's falling down the depth chart. And
Micah wyn who who's not falling down the depth chart
but makes a lot of money. And I like to
use my I wouldn't buy green bananas if I were

(10:52):
Mike Michael Win who I think he'll be here next year.
I think this year he probably has to be. But
I think that they're trying to overhaul the roster with
guys that he wants. And I don't think there's anything
wrong with that. I think that's a very common tact
for a new coach coming in. Culture is important, style
of play is important. I'll take everybody's word for it

(11:14):
that this is a style of play thing. But I
think it's more about the individuals that were here that
have some money. He's looking to get past, you know,
a little bit older, probably not going to be part
of the new that, you know, the next title contending
Patriots team. So move on earlier and get your guys.

Speaker 4 (11:35):
Yeah, but do you think he would have done that earlier?

Speaker 5 (11:38):
I told you I was surprised by the transaction. I
don't think it's I was surprised.

Speaker 4 (11:44):
It's also I don't know that Jalen Hawkins is his guy.

Speaker 5 (11:48):
He could be next.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
Well.

Speaker 10 (11:49):
I just like to be consistent.

Speaker 6 (11:52):
I thought they were a year away from doing these
types of things because of the roster talent and the
depth that they have on this team. Like, if you
told me that they were going to move on from
the guys Paul's listing out, I'd throw Anthony Jennings, Jolani
Tavai in that.

Speaker 10 (12:05):
List as well. If they were to do that in
twenty twenty six.

Speaker 5 (12:13):
Straight deadline last year.

Speaker 6 (12:17):
That's a great friend of m right there, Brady too,
that makes sense if they had done that next offseason
in twenty twenty six, because they were bringing in all
their own guys. Where they were signing another safety that
they liked a little bit better. They were drafting, you know,
guys early in the draft to replace those players. I

(12:39):
would have said, okay, that that makes sense. But now
you start stripping away some of the veteran depth that
you do have on the roster by cutting a player
in Jabriel Peppers that might not be exactly a stylistic fit,
but as an NFL player and is.

Speaker 10 (12:54):
A starter in this league.

Speaker 6 (12:55):
And so now what happens even if you assume that
Craig Woodson and Jalen Hawkins are good, what happens if
one of them gets hurt?

Speaker 3 (13:02):
Right?

Speaker 6 (13:03):
What happens if you have multiple injuries at safety? Now
we're back into a position where it's guys that are
fringe practice squad you know, for a type players.

Speaker 10 (13:13):
Right, I didn't want to name names, but the.

Speaker 4 (13:15):
Next guy death.

Speaker 5 (13:16):
So I even wonder if maybe they're trying to bake
in some versatility with a guy like Alex Austin, who
we've seen play in the slaughter a little bit outside.
Marcus Jones, same kind of deal. Marcus Jones is another item.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
Of Captain's news. We'll talk about that in a minute.

Speaker 5 (13:33):
You know that they named the captains. Marcus Jones was
I think most people felt a surprising choice.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
He was surprised, he said, he was. We'll get into
the captains. But back to this subject. I was listening
to vrabel on EEI this morning and they were talking about,
you know. Wiggy asked him, were you in on, uh
the micro parts Michael Parsons thing, and he said, you know,
not really. We didn't really spend a lot of time
thinking about it, and then he got into you know,
their depth. I disagree with him there though, because when

(14:02):
you bring in a guy like Michaeh Parsons, he pushes
other guys down to make your depth better.

Speaker 10 (14:07):
I think he's talking about the two first round picks.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
Correct the future.

Speaker 5 (14:12):
I actually liked his answers.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
Okay, fair enough, I'm going to take his.

Speaker 5 (14:16):
Answer at face value, and I'm gonna I kind of
thought it was refreshing that a coach would actually answer
it kind of honestly, like we're not really ready for
that yet. Yeah, we're not far enough along. We need
those through first round picks, because, as Evan said, that's
how you get depth by players.

Speaker 6 (14:33):
But it then to me like it's a little contradictory though,
so because you're saying you need this depth, but then
you're also cutting jubil Peppers.

Speaker 10 (14:40):
But so it's like.

Speaker 5 (14:41):
He doesn't look at it in with his eighth year
for Pepper. Yeah, I don't think he looks at an
eight year guy as the future depth. I can make
an argue. You guys know, we talked about this a
little off air, so you guys know, I can make
an argument the other way if you need me to.
But I'm trying. I'm trying. Yeah, I'm trying to be
open minded about it. He probably looks at it is like, yeah,
he's a little older, he makes a little money. Uh,

(15:03):
probably not going to be around much longer.

Speaker 3 (15:06):
But to deuce his question, but if them long to
do this, I think they were trying to move I agree.

Speaker 6 (15:12):
I think they were trying to trade him one of
him were Dugger, right, and then it didn't happen. And
then I think they decided really early on in spring
practices that they weren't going to play Dugger and Peppers
together like that, that whole idea of playing the two
of them together, they never seem sold on it. So
it immediately went to all right, it's one spot for

(15:33):
one of those guys maybe, and then it phased out
even more to now we really think that this is
like a third safety role instead of a starting safety role.
You know, they want the safeties to cover that. That's
the number one thing. I don't think they want their
safeties to deuce his point earlier, making the tackles near
the line of scrimmage and making the splash plays on

(15:54):
the ball. They want their safeties to GTFB like that.
That's that's really what this is about.

Speaker 10 (16:00):
Out.

Speaker 6 (16:00):
They want them to cover the deep part of the field.
They want them to cover man to man sometimes, and
they don't want as much of playmaking box safeties. And
I think that that's you know, he was asked yesterday
too about Woodson, and he immediately went to range and
athleticism and that type of stuff. Then he was asked
about them playing more quarters, and he agreed with this,

(16:22):
the notion that they were going to be playing more
quarters and more cover four defense. So they want the
safeties to be over the top. They want them to
be you know, rangey and be able to cover ground
and keep the top on the defense. And that's not
what either one of those guys is suited to do.
It's not a strong suit for either one of those players,
so that role reductions and here we are, okay.

Speaker 4 (16:45):
Yeah, to me, it was because it seemed like they
were moving Peppers around a little bit trying to figure out,
like what can we do with him? And I think
the last place we kind of saw was like in
the slot with the second team, And I mean I
went back to my notes from that first Minnesota practice
where you know, it was twice on him and cover
John Hawkinson where he's covering the tight end and can't
quite keep up with him, and you know, I just
wonder if if they were trying to feel it out

(17:06):
and see if there is a role for him that
we can include into our scheme and maybe use in
certain subpackages.

Speaker 3 (17:12):
But I think the.

Speaker 4 (17:14):
Overall body work over the summer it felt a little
to me like trying to figure it out with him,
moving them around, trying to figure out what he can do.
And ultimately maybe in Minnesota when they saw those a
couple of days that because that's really to me, when
it really started to go downhill. Nothing against like the injury,
which was unfortunate, but I mean, I don't even know
if that's the case.

Speaker 10 (17:32):
Yeah, like I wouldn't have done this.

Speaker 6 (17:33):
But at the same time, for multiple years we've talked
about Pepper's and Dugger not being great.

Speaker 10 (17:39):
In coverage, whether it's man to man or zone.

Speaker 6 (17:42):
Like, they are known to be guys that are, you know,
below average coverage players for their position. So if past
defense and being able to cover is the number one
priority at safety, then those are not going to be
your types of guys.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
Okay, all right, So Paul, you mentioned captains. They announced
six of those yesterday and if you missed it, we
actually had Mike Rabel uh telling the team before practice yesterday.
We had a cameras in the huddle. That was pretty cool.
But uh, why don't we list off who those captains are?

Speaker 6 (18:17):
Drake May, Hunter, Henry Roberts, Bulaine, Marcus Jones, Uh, Harold
Landry Brennan Schooler.

Speaker 4 (18:25):
Yeah, and the game captain too, which I didn't I
didn't realize until the video is that. Yeah, that was
called Chaseng will be a game Sin.

Speaker 10 (18:33):
So I assume that's going to rotate.

Speaker 6 (18:35):
Yeah, because normally Rabel named seven captains in Tennessee. So
when they he did six, I guess that's a rotating spot.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
Yeah, so he mentioned, you know, Chase On played with
the Raiders, so kind of a logical choice to be
the game captain.

Speaker 4 (18:49):
Blaine too, I mean they were, yeah, both those guys.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
But he's a permanent captain.

Speaker 4 (18:53):
Yeah, yeah, he's a serious guy. Well, all those guys
talked in the locker room, mystery except Drake cool talk.
I think what Thursday, I think to the media tomorrow, Marow.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
Let's just hope that these captains have a better help
record than last year.

Speaker 5 (19:05):
Man, Yeah, because if these.

Speaker 4 (19:07):
Captains go down, it's going to be pretty rough.

Speaker 3 (19:09):
Marcus Jones is a captain. You mentioned mild surprise. I
thought it was yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (19:14):
Yeah, I not you guys were in the locker room yesterday, Yeah,
you said he expressed, Yeah, he said he.

Speaker 4 (19:19):
Was even surprised a little bit. You know, talked about
the leadership of Devin mccordy and Matthew Slater is two
guys that he hopes to model his leadership off of. Ribble,
just had a meeting with them, coming to the locker room,
just kind of congratulating those guys. But yeah, I was
definitely surprised about Marcus Jones and it's certainly a guy
who's going to be in a contract year. He's also

(19:40):
in this new scheme. How does he fit into everything?
I think there's always kind of a use for him,
especially this week with some of these little fast guys
that they have Trey Turner, you know, on the outside.
Maybe there's a use for for Marcus Jones. We're starting
to play the matchups.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
A little bit. Yeah. Other news, Forge and Foxboro episode
three dropped over the weekend, so if you haven't seen
it over ready, there's some pretty cool stuff. Some exclusive
footage of that fight back in the first joint practice.
Mike Rabel got some I never I didn't even know

(20:11):
we had that angle of him jumping into the dog pile.
So that was good. Chisholm being told he made the team.

Speaker 10 (20:18):
Things like that, So that was Paul's highlight.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
Yeah, unprecedented access Forge of Foxbrow episode three on YouTube.
Go check it out. Perfect viewing to get you ready
for this Raiders game on Sunday.

Speaker 10 (20:33):
This is my favorite one out of the three.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (20:35):
I thought this one had the most original footage, like
footage that I had never seen before, which was really
cool and I love like it had the hard Knocks
feels with like Chism and Elijah Ponder making the team.

Speaker 10 (20:53):
I was really I was into this one was a
good one, good stuff.

Speaker 5 (20:57):
Yeah, yeah, I was too.

Speaker 4 (20:58):
I just I watched it while I was the Kate
this weekend, and it's just remarkable that it's like a
full on Hard Knocks episode, you know, like like that's
always like what the standard was for the summer and
now teams and we're not the only ones doing it either,
but you know, teams are able to just produce produce
his content. I think it's great for the fans. Love
getting to see behind the scenes Jim Whalen, you know,
highlighting all the medical advances that we have here and

(21:22):
not only Foxboro but obviously in Boston as well. So
I thought that was a good angle.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
I don't think I've ever heard.

Speaker 4 (21:26):
Jim Whalen actually speak before. This is one of the
first times that really.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
It's funny because like I when I listened to Jim
whale and talk, I detected Bill Belichick when he said,
you know, by two thirty, we can we can know
what you know, Like that's I could hear that coming
out of Bill's Bill's mouth, you know, middle you know,
you work with a guy for all that time, you're
going to pick up on things.

Speaker 10 (21:49):
Jim's a really nice guy. You've talk before, We've talked
to him injured, We've talked to him at the coured.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
No, I didn't talk.

Speaker 10 (21:57):
To in the air.

Speaker 4 (21:58):
I don't get the oh he was there. I don't
think it was to me.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
You're still get a pretzel.

Speaker 10 (22:05):
Nice guy, yes, really nice guy.

Speaker 5 (22:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (22:07):
I always like seeing him on the plane back from
the combine. Combine, but he's he's in first class and
I'm you know, going back.

Speaker 5 (22:14):
There, sage.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (22:15):
Yeah, it's such an interesting job to me, Like if
you're just not that you're waiting for guys to get hurt.
I know there's elements of rehab and stuff, but it's
just got to be hard to Like a normal doctor
has a bunch of patients and sometimes people come in
and get sick and get hurt whatever, but like he
has like he's like a shepherd for like fifty three
dudes or even I mean more I guess, you know,
sixty five dudes, whatever it might be, And at any moment,

(22:36):
one of these guys could have a major injury, and
he knows he's going to be there and have to
take care of these guys. Just such a unique position,
especially for how long has he done it.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
I mean he's been here forever, right, yeah, one time.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (22:46):
I think it's cool to see too, Like the all
the preventative care that goes in, like the taping and
like all that stuff that goes into try to to
get them even ready for practice. The amount of guys
like going to that tape to get then they're.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
Just there, go to the moon and back, Paul, the
amount of tape that they the offensive.

Speaker 6 (23:09):
I'm always tape their hands right like, So it's just
all that stuff goes on before they even hit the
practice bags.

Speaker 4 (23:15):
A lot of ice bags, a lot of ice ice machines.

Speaker 3 (23:20):
All right, what else? So we got what else? Pepper's
We've got Captain.

Speaker 4 (23:26):
A couple of things for I just to throw out there.
A couple of interesting nuggets from from Ural Peldus. I
just thought it was interesting. They've they've added three defensive linemen,
two pactor squad guys Fabian love At, Corey Durden and
as well as Eric Gregory who's a rookie a little
bit bigger guy as well as yesterday, added Brendan James,
the centers silent Jay I like that, but those to

(23:51):
me indicate maybe some positions where they feel like they
need a little more. I had said last show, Oh,
it's interesting they've kept all these undrafted guys that they
have and those a lot of those guys are gone
now they're down to, you know, two guys they drafted
and four guys that were undrafted rookies, and otherwise they
brought in a bunch of veterans. So I just wonder,
if you know Himus or you know this guy Eric

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Gregory who's got a little more size, and we talked
about some of the run defense stuff, if maybe some
of these guys are more like their guys or you know,
it's just it's adding some depth you might not expect,
and suddenly we might get into the game of people
are gonna who's fifty five on the defensive line and
this guy this will?

Speaker 3 (24:27):
You know?

Speaker 6 (24:28):
Yeah, play there's the practice squad's had significant turnover already.
I mean, I can't remember them having this much practice
squad turnover. They basically flipped half the practice squad at
this point from what it started.

Speaker 5 (24:41):
For they played a game. Yeah, it's interesting.

Speaker 10 (24:43):
It's a significant amount.

Speaker 6 (24:44):
And obviously you don't know when guys are going to
become available and from other teams and things like that.
But Gregory is an interesting player like their typical you know,
one technique, shaded nose tackle, can control gaps, can penetrate
the line on stunts and things like that. He has
good tape in the preseason, and I know the Bengals
fans did not want to see him get poached when
they cut him, so they were all pretty disappointed that

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he got claimed by the Patriots. And Rabel said yesterday
that they had a draftable grade on him in the
draft and we're competing with Cincinnati and undrafted free agency
for him, and they lost out an undrafted free agency,
so they maybe not a throwaway, you know, as Duce
kind of laid out. I think that that could be
somebody that sticks around.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (25:27):
I throw Mark Robinson in there, who Pittsburgh fans were
kind of a little bit bummed out to see just
you know, a guy they had since twenty twenty two.
A lot of special teams for them. So some of
these veterans are coming in. I think they might end
up on the game day roster, maybe having a role
that It's always weird when you spend all off season
watching the same group of guys and the all through
training camp, and then all of a sudden, Week one,
there's like a guy I've never even seen it.

Speaker 5 (25:47):
And I know when they make the original fifty three
that it's always in flux, but I've been a little
surprised with just how much influx the whole thing, you know,
even the sixty nine, you know, like Evan pointed out,
with the practice squad and just the amount of change
before they've even played a game. It has been a
little bit surprising.

Speaker 3 (26:07):
All right. So we're going to get into the game
and you have the depth chart in front of you.

Speaker 10 (26:11):
Uh oh, this one's filled out.

Speaker 4 (26:15):
This is this your depth, this is mine. I like
to keep it myself.

Speaker 3 (26:18):
So what do you have? Who do you have playing
left guard to start the Raiders game?

Speaker 4 (26:23):
Jared Wilson?

Speaker 3 (26:24):
You have Wilson? Yeah, okay, and.

Speaker 5 (26:28):
You have I have no idea that I mean, if
I had to make a guess, I would take Wilson, and.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
You have Ben Jones, uh, Ben Brown, I'm.

Speaker 5 (26:38):
Thinking of the other Garrett Bradberry, Ben Johnson, former Verbel safety.
The center that I know I know out of Georgia.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
I remember Ben. I have a good story about him.

Speaker 4 (26:47):
But anyway, very tight with captain anyways, but I have
Garrett Bradbury with Ben Brown. But but then also, so
which one do you have starting at center?

Speaker 3 (26:57):
Bradbury?

Speaker 4 (26:58):
Okay, yep, I got him a up. Okay, think that's
the that's the list. But you know, even bringing in
highness like, to me, it signals they're chill, still really
trying to figure it out at that position. And he
has some guard versatility too, So if maybe it doesn't
go great with Wilson, maybe he's an option there as well.
So now these moves just signal to me where they
think they're light and where they need to add some depth,
especially the veteran guys.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
So what's what's your personnel? To start this game? Patriots
come out first and ten thirty five probably what's your
personnel thirty five?

Speaker 4 (27:28):
I'm going to go eleven personnel with Vermandre and Hunter,
Henry and Uh and Digs Douglas and Booty. Say that again,
Digs Douglas, Booty, Hunter, Romandre Diggs Douglas.

Speaker 5 (27:39):
I'm going to replace Booty with mac Hollins.

Speaker 6 (27:42):
I'm going to replace Booty and Mac Collins with Jack
Westover because I GUARANTI is twenty one personnel with the
full back and back problem, you know, like with all
the changes.

Speaker 5 (27:57):
Very subtle, small thing, but they've officially listed Westover as
a full back.

Speaker 10 (28:03):
And the guy is now thirty seven full back number.

Speaker 4 (28:06):
Got got off that eighty seven thing?

Speaker 6 (28:08):
You're you're if they're going lead Iso right up the
middle on the first play, he should.

Speaker 4 (28:12):
Go talk to him in the locker room.

Speaker 5 (28:14):
I feel like, take my time getting out of the
food buffet if we get if we win the toss,
I want first. I'll come back for second and nine.

Speaker 4 (28:21):
He's one west Over. I was biding my time a
little bit on but I don't think anyone's really talked
about him, and I don't know for sure if he's
going to really actually play. I mean, Evan, you know
you want to run right into the land and Roberts
first down shore, but.

Speaker 6 (28:34):
Absolutely coming at you baby, right. That's why that tells
everybody that doesn't It doesn't matter to Paul.

Speaker 5 (28:44):
But you know, no, I just thought it was interesting
that they went out of their way to officially make
that move on the roster, like no, no, no, he's
not not a tight end. He's a full back.

Speaker 4 (28:55):
Yeah, he doesn't really look.

Speaker 10 (28:57):
Like it doesn't look like a fullback to me too.

Speaker 6 (28:59):
But I'm the one thing I am a little bit
interested in is like he probably can catch passes a
little bit more than like a Yakab Johnson or James
Devlin when Roberts caught a touchdown pass use But yeah, yeah,
but they the tight end background, maybe he does have
a little bit more juice as a receiver where they

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can do some fun things with him in that respect
that maybe they wouldn't be able to do with like
a Devilin style fullback.

Speaker 10 (29:28):
So I'm not saying he's gonna.

Speaker 5 (29:29):
Catch I'll throw you a bone here of okay, because
I'm nothing if not fay. I can live with the
whole fullback thing. If this is the way it is,
like I'm going to take a third tight end and
make him a full back as opposed to what Evan
was describing before. Just like this bulldozer who just drops

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his head and runs into a wall. This guy he
as a as a tight end by trade. He should
be able to get out and catch a pass or
to for you if you need be. He should be
able to block. He's got some mobility. He's not just
an offensive lineman playing in the backfield. If that's the
way you want to use a full back, okay, I
can live with that.

Speaker 6 (30:08):
Well, you lead him up to the second level, Paul,
and then once the linebacker starts to bite on it,
then you run leak and you just run him right
by the linebacker and he's wide open.

Speaker 5 (30:18):
You run leak with yo, Johnson and this doesn't do
you any good.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
There you go, Stevenson's You're you're starting running back? Yeah? Okay?

Speaker 10 (30:28):
For now?

Speaker 3 (30:28):
Okay? And so then after the Patriots go the length
of the field for seven and they come out on
de go for two?

Speaker 5 (30:36):
Why not go for two?

Speaker 3 (30:37):
No, I don't need to do that.

Speaker 5 (30:38):
So new era eight nothing, Okay, go.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
Ahead, starting front seven for the Patriots? What does that
look like?

Speaker 4 (30:45):
Take it away far more Tongam, Williams, Chase on Landry
on the edges, Blaine and Ellis.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
So you have Tonga, I'm starting.

Speaker 5 (30:53):
I'm with you. That's that would be my front seven.

Speaker 4 (30:56):
And then and then Alex Austin and Carlton. Yeah, surprise
you going base, going base on space.

Speaker 5 (31:03):
Well, I don't know that's base what we saw every day.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
Really yeah, okay, well.

Speaker 5 (31:08):
Except for when Toby got hurt, you know, and basically
missed all of camp.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
I thought they were going to be a four to
three team.

Speaker 6 (31:15):
I think they are, but that that's they could be both.
So wait a minute, that's a five man front. But
he just listed Yeah, but I understand what your point is.
You can look at those guys in the edges as linebackers.
You can look at him at his ends. Whatever however
you describe him is gonna. I think it's who. So

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so let's take Chase on right. You're going to say
Chase onto pay Longo. No, I would expect you have
Williams bar More inside, Chase on Landery outside.

Speaker 4 (31:50):
So out well see to me, it depends on and
put Marcus Jones in.

Speaker 5 (31:54):
But this is all, and this is why coaches sometimes
bristle at like these depths.

Speaker 3 (31:59):
I know, so and calling.

Speaker 5 (32:01):
If Tennessee does the Evan thing, I mean, I'm sorry.
If Las Vegas does the the Evan thing and they
come out and it's genty with a full back in
front of them, and you know, then Tonga is going
to be in the middle.

Speaker 10 (32:12):
Right.

Speaker 5 (32:13):
But if they if they come out with Trey Tucker
on one side and Jacoby Myers in the slot and
Bowers and maybe Meyer the you know, like whatever, and
they have like four wide, then maybe Tonga is probably
not going to be in the game.

Speaker 10 (32:27):
Yeah, that's fair.

Speaker 4 (32:28):
Yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (32:29):
If they look like they're going to run the ball
on first down, Tong is going to be on.

Speaker 7 (32:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (32:32):
I mean, I think that's a simple way to think
of it as just Tonga Tonga out, Marcus Jones in. Maybe.
But there's only so many guys that I really think
are going to play. You know, I think I could
see Keon White getting some snaps, but after that, all
those guys I named, I think that's kind of the
rotation is like thirteen guys. Maybe it's not.

Speaker 5 (32:49):
Really like I'm not ecting of personnel on defense for you.

Speaker 6 (32:51):
I mean, I think on the D line there will
be because like Keon White's gonna get some snaps farm.

Speaker 5 (32:56):
Especially earlier in the year, you're gonna see farms. You
probably you might even see, you know, some of the
younger guys, because usually you rotate a lot of bodies
up front.

Speaker 4 (33:05):
I just I guess I'm more concerned with get down
to brass tacks and when the game's on the line,
who are the real guys? You know, I get, I
get trying to get you know, Jeremiah Farms some snaps
and get Joshua Farmer some work and you know, start
to see what you have. And some of these guys
probably dugger rotationally a little bit, but those other that's
kind of the core thirteen I see in.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
So let's talk about Gonzo for a second. Is there
any chance that there's a little subterfuge going on on
the part of Mike Vrabel, Like I'm not gonna play
my cards. No, No, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (33:40):
I don't think there's any subterfuge. I'm not going to
tell you there's no chance that he'll play. I think
there's a chance he'll play, you know, but I don't.
I don't think this is a ruse.

Speaker 4 (33:49):
Okay, it doesn't seem like he has time for that.
Like sometimes with some of these ruses and subterfuge, energy
and energy going into trying to pull it off than
like the other team, like you know, they're probably still preparing,
like Gonzalez could play. I just think it's bowers to
me that like you know, I'm more concerned about him.
And how does Gonzales not being there affect the trickle

(34:11):
down of what their game plan is going to look
like dealing with Bowers.

Speaker 10 (34:14):
Yeah, yeah, I just wonder.

Speaker 6 (34:17):
Rabel yesterday kind of started to say that it's taken
longer than expected, and then sort of caught himself and
pivoted his answer a little bit.

Speaker 10 (34:26):
It's a soft tissue thing.

Speaker 6 (34:27):
You guys have been on it, like those things are tricky,
and one day it could feel better and the next
day it doesn't. So to me, it looks like they
were expecting him to be back and maybe a little
bit sooner than this, but it's just not ready yet.
And so it's better to be safe than sorry and
play the long game here. But I'm more worried about

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not to look ahead. But like week two in Miami
is more worrisome without Gonzo than this week against the Raiders.
I think they can get by this week without him if.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
It comes to isn't as much a factor this week.

Speaker 6 (34:59):
And outside receiver, you know, in particular like Dante Thorton,
I guess has had a nice camp for him for them.
He was drafted, uh, you know from Tennessee, uh speed receiver.
But I overall like that's Trey Tucker is a nice
slot receiver, kind of like their pop Douglas. We obviously
know about Kobe Myers, but besides that, it's not a
star studded receiving corpse.

Speaker 5 (35:22):
Early line, Paul, I believe the Patriots are favored by
two and a half two and a half, two and
a Hey you're down by and hey.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
There we go.

Speaker 5 (35:30):
Would you like to say disrespect now? You're going to
make them really underdogs point You're going to make it
out to be like we shocked the world. That's right,
I figured, Yeah, nobody believed that's that's Thursday showed on.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
St okay uh weather early weather reports.

Speaker 5 (35:47):
To be a really real, nice one gorgeous what I'm
hearing when every game should be played.

Speaker 4 (35:54):
I also apparently that's when practices are happening now too.
It seems like, which kind of makes sense to me,
that you would practice roughly when you play. In the past,
teams have practiced in the morning, but it seems like
these guys are one thirty to three thirty is going
to be there their Wednesday Thursday practice.

Speaker 3 (36:10):
Yeah, how do you feel about that? You like that,
does that fit your schedule?

Speaker 4 (36:13):
Not great?

Speaker 3 (36:14):
No, I'm not like that.

Speaker 5 (36:15):
Not great, Bob.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
What's it is? What it is?

Speaker 4 (36:18):
I mean, uh, you know, you just gotta roll with it,
be flexible. You know, they gotta do what they gotta do.
I just understand the philosophy of it though, that you
want to get guys used to your body about one o'clock,
that's time to go. And you know, if you're practicing
at ten. I mean it's a subtle thing, but.

Speaker 5 (36:33):
I just wonder, you know, in terms of their work
that they have to do in meetings, film study, you know,
all that kind of stuff, how you divide that up
during the course of the day. What's most advantageous because
it seems like we haven't had a tremendous amount of
coaches here. You know, it was Pete Carol for one
year for me, then all those years of Bill, then

(36:54):
Mayo for a year like it's but it seems like
everybody has a different time, and even Bill changed peer.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
It's just a matter of like when you want your
film review to happen and all that. I think it
makes sense because you have the morning to look at
yesterday's practice. What are we going to fix what are
we going to do today yet? So you have all
the morning to do that, then you go do it.

Speaker 12 (37:14):
You know.

Speaker 6 (37:14):
Yeah, in the past, Bill would do it the night
before after practice they would break down the film and
then go over the script for the next day, and
then they come back in the morning and practice, whereas
this is all the morning I'm sure is going to
be what we're going to do at practice, the corrections
from the day before, and then right into practice. I'm
with you, I do it this way because I feel

(37:36):
like then they go home, they go they go to
you know, in their personal lives, they go to sleep.
They there's a lot of time that passes between when
they talked about, you know, your third step was off
on that route break and them actually getting back on
the field the next day and doing it live. So
this way there it all happens kind of it at
one one swoop.

Speaker 4 (37:57):
Yeah, it's also be a little different on Fridays. I
don't know if this ed was going to keep, but
in the past we've had like coach before practice. Now
it's going to be coach after practice. So Evan usually
does a write up based on who practice is on Friday.
Who might not be there, so you'll get to talk
directly to Vrabel. If Gonzo doesn't practice Friday, and all
signs are portant to know, you'll get to ask them

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about it.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
Okay, all right, well that's the table it has been set,
getting ready for the Raiders on Sunday, three days a
week for the Patriots, for Patriots Unfiltered. It's uh that
really signifies the start of this. That's when when we
go to three days a week.

Speaker 10 (38:36):
That's what everybody says.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (38:38):
It's just so nice to have things to talk about.
Like you get to this point where, like in the
off season where you feel like you've just unloaded the
clip on every topic that there is, and now you
go four days without a show and there's you know,
solid forty minutes worth of things to discuss. And it'll
only get better as the NFL season.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
And all right, eight five to five Pats five hundred
is the hotline podcast at Patriots dot com is the
way to email us. So let's get to the phones
and we'll see who has what to say. We'll start
with who else? Christian in La what's up? Hey?

Speaker 13 (39:13):
You guys pay a week to countdown and here we go,
I'm really excited about the season. On two things. One,
are you guys at all worried that you haven't really
heard any stellar comments about Drake May's play at practice.
And I just haven't heard like May is looking like,
you know, the next great thing. He's making these great

(39:35):
throws down field, blah blah blah. I guess I've heard
he's comfortable in the pocket, and I guess there has
to be enough, and so I'm a little bit lary
about that. Secondly, can you guys give me at leash
your first three plays? I have Rimandre Stevenson up the middle,
Trayvon Henderson probably a toss out, and then something up
the steam to the tight end.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
Okay, I'll take it up the air, all right.

Speaker 5 (39:57):
Thanks.

Speaker 3 (39:57):
So on the first question, we don't really get to
see practice anymore, you know, you know, the good stuff,
So it's hard for anyone in the media to say, oh,
he's been looking good in practice.

Speaker 4 (40:09):
Well, I would say that the what the two or
three practices we saw that were closed and we weren't
really allowed to write extensively about that. I thought there
were a couple of drakes best practices, but I would
just say overall he's been he's been good, but there
have been definitely moments of inconsistency with him all all
summer long.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
And yeah, I think that's so we're not going to
be able to say any practices this week.

Speaker 6 (40:30):
No, not to like make excuses for him, but I
wouldn't say that there's a ton of correlation between how
some of these players look in practice and then when
we those.

Speaker 5 (40:40):
Practices that didn't even they weren't even.

Speaker 6 (40:41):
Impact right, Like, I don't know, I've had I've seen
it go both ways, where guys have amazing training camps
and then all of a sudden, the season rolls around
and they're they're not even to be heard from, you know.

Speaker 5 (40:53):
I mean, I think Mike hit it when we just
started talking about this, like we can hammer all of
these points that we in practice home all day long,
and now the season's here, we're going to get a
chance to get, you know, a sample size of what
it looks like in real, real action. One of the
things that I've really been focused on is how many

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times I watch and I say, like there was pressure quickly,
but would that have been pressure leading to a sack
or throwaway or would that be a play that Drake
May can get off platform and make a play, and
you don't know that until it's a real game, right, Yeah,
it's impossible.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
And as far as which plays are going to happen,
I mean, play two will be dictated by how well
play one works. Play one will be Hunter Henry over
the middle.

Speaker 5 (41:41):
So I'm gonna say it's going to be a little
uh an easy and easy completion, you know, maybe getting someone,
you know, maybe.

Speaker 3 (41:49):
A quick hitter west Over in the flat.

Speaker 5 (41:51):
Well not west Over, but maybe even some you know,
some something to Digs real quick or Douglas real quick,
just to get Rake May settled, right, because that's been
kind of an under I don't know. I think it's
been a little bit of an overblown topic. Like how
Drake May had mentioned he's a little jacked up at
the beginning, and now everybody's running away with this. How
do we settle Drake down? I mean, like it's a

(42:14):
very common quarterback problem. And by the way, one that
even Tom Brady.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
The greatest of all you were going to.

Speaker 5 (42:22):
Like Brady Brady used to be a little bit hot, you.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
Know, if anything, they need to get more excited.

Speaker 6 (42:27):
Didn't he not score a touchdown in the first quarter
of a Super Bowl until Tampa.

Speaker 10 (42:31):
Right, like, it was like ten straight, nine straight super bowls.

Speaker 5 (42:35):
They were scooless in the first because he would super
bowls right yeah, yeah, thanks Bill, all of them. Thanks Bill.
I like that. That was it was well done, Mike.
I wonder if I.

Speaker 6 (42:47):
Was listening to someone talk about this. I don't know who,
but Josh Allen used to like advocate for running the ball,
like him physically running the ball, I.

Speaker 5 (42:58):
Want to say Boomers Sias and said that this morning,
let me get lit up. Yeah, and he would go
to brass Brian table, Yeah, give me, let me, let
me run it, let me get into the game, let
me get hit. I need to get hit.

Speaker 10 (43:09):
Yeah yeah, something like that maybe one way to.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
Help A lot of players say that you don't like,
you know, you don't really fill your into the game
until you get that either give or get that first hit.

Speaker 5 (43:21):
But I just wonder if they'll give him, you know,
something really really quick, quick and easy completion. I'd be
surprised if you didn't see an early screen in the game.
I mean, you'ren't necessarily going to get one on first
and ten of the season, not really a great screen time.
But yeah, I wouldn't be surprised they're established.

Speaker 4 (43:41):
Yeah, I don't know when it would come.

Speaker 5 (43:42):
I think they're going to be predominantly running early in
the game. I just mean, like.

Speaker 10 (43:47):
Right up the middle.

Speaker 4 (43:47):
Yeah, given when we know and Roberts like getting up
on Travian Henderson. You know, you see Travian Henderson split
out wide to see if it's man and like you
see Land and Roberts go with him. I'd be like alert, alert,
you know, think Lynn Roberts great coming downhill.

Speaker 3 (44:02):
I don't need to run down and move out there.

Speaker 4 (44:04):
Get him on, get him in coverage. That's I mean,
that's what I think Josh is probably that's the new
special sauce for this offense is maybe he didn't quite
expect what he was going to be able to do
with Henderson. But I imagine right now he's cooking in
a loud and I think.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
If you're the Raiders, you want to rattle May early.
You want to get you want to get him thinking
about our pressure right away.

Speaker 4 (44:24):
Yeah, I just say so.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
So if I'm McDaniels, I would expect him to want
to do that. So, like Paul said, get it out
of his hands quickly, you know, don't let them do
that early.

Speaker 4 (44:35):
Yeah, I just I would. I'd look at the offensive line,
that was the left side of the offensive line. If
it's two rookies, you know, trying to get pressure. Adam
Butler's always been a good pass rusher, obviously Max Crosby
is excellent, but you know, trying to get pressure with
three or four guys and you know, make may read coverage,
make drop guys in his own so he's not going
to be as much of a threat with his feet.
And if you can give those rookies hell with Max

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Crosby and you're able to get pressure with just him,
you know, with those guys, maybe run some stunts, then
I think that's the most direct way to get New
England's offense off balance. So those young guys, I mean
they get rattled early. I mean they've both been really
calm and steady. We know from our perspective, but an
opponent might look at that saying, hey, two rookies, sure,
put Max over them. Let's absolutely get them rattled early.

Speaker 6 (45:19):
It's a really interesting like chess match on both sides,
because like Max Crosby usually rushes over the right tackle
so for him to flip sides is a game plan
wrinkle for the Raiders. And then from the Patriots point
of view, I think rightfully, so the staff last year
got a lot of heat for not having game plans
for pass rushers. You know, and you face a guy
like Max Crosby, you can't just expect Will Campbell to

(45:41):
block him one on one twenty times, like you have
to get you know, you have to help, you have
to chip, you have to move the pocket, you have
to double team, like, you have to do different things.
So from a McDaniel's Doug Maroon standpoint, is a really
like trial by fire from a game plan perspective of
how are you going to handle a pass rusher like
Max Crosby that can really take.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
I remember several games where whether it was you know,
JJ Watt or Clay Matthews, you know, Bill would go
into the game saying, we're going to take that guy
away when Crosby win the game, and most of the
time they were at least successful in doing that.

Speaker 6 (46:18):
You know, Like, it would be disappointing to me if
we are on here next Tuesday and Max Crosby just
had you know, ten pressures in a couple of sacks
and like that those are the types of things that
good coaching staffs avoid. Is this is the one guy
that can't beat us, right, so what can we do
to make sure that he doesn't beat you?

Speaker 4 (46:37):
And say the same thing about Bowers on the other
side of the ball right exactly, go on, and he
has twelve catches and two touchdowns. You know that's it's
such a unique rate.

Speaker 5 (46:44):
I'd be more surprised that that happened to Bowers than
I would be if Max Crosby that has a good
game too, I wouldn't. It wouldn't surprise me at all
to see him have a couple of sacks.

Speaker 10 (46:53):
But like, how do they get pretty glad? I think
is interesting?

Speaker 5 (46:56):
No, I agree with you. I think that they will
try very hard to gain and planned out. I just
think that Tom Brady had so much to do with
those shutdowns of JJ Watt and Joey Bosa and all
those other guys that they saw over the years.

Speaker 4 (47:10):
The ball out too quick, man, I can't get you.

Speaker 6 (47:11):
Yep, you can't just like ignore it, right, Like I
think the staff last year did that, and they just
kind of ran their plays and just expected guys to
hold up and all that kind of thing. And you know,
if they whether it's getting the ball out at Drake's
hands quickly, whether it's chipping him on third downs when
they have to drop back a little bit longer, you know,
moving the pocket away from him is right, he's over there,

(47:34):
I'm Drake may is running the other direction, like, Yeah,
those types of things like that. That's a I hope
that we're going to see that this year because that's
like how the coaching staff can really elevate the talent.

Speaker 5 (47:45):
Yeah, and I just offensively the reason I feel like
they do have two thousand yard receivers coming back.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
Now.

Speaker 5 (47:52):
I don't think Jakobe Myers is a great receiver. I
think he's good. I think he's a good player. I
wish that the Patriots never let him go in the
first place. As you guys know, their numbers are very similar.
I mean talking about the difference of about what fifteen catches,
you know, twenty catches and you know, less than one
hundred yards. So to Kobe Myers, if they want to

(48:15):
just double and do everything they can to take out
with Bowers. I think Geno Smith is a veteran enough
quarterback to have the experience to say, Okay, I'll oh,
just let this guy you know do it. But with
with with Crosby, I just think he's so much more
talented than in large part the guys they're going to
be blocking him. I think he'll make plays.

Speaker 10 (48:37):
Yeah, shouldn't be blocking him by themselves.

Speaker 5 (48:39):
No, they won't be.

Speaker 3 (48:40):
Yeah, but you're saying he'll beat the double.

Speaker 5 (48:42):
I think he's seen a double team in the past.
Let's put it back.

Speaker 3 (48:45):
I think so, yeah.

Speaker 5 (48:45):
I think he's seen his share a double time.

Speaker 4 (48:47):
Those are be interesting. He's like because he's feisty, he
loves like a little extra business, talking crap. Remember Gosh,
one of the hard Knocks, but their team was paring
for them and they were literally having like their practice squad.
Guys like be annoying, like Max Crosby is like Will
Campbell's attitude. I don't think he's going to be putting
up with that, you know. But it's also like that's
a way to get rookies off their game. If Mark

(49:07):
Max Crosby's in their ear talking crap and Will Campbell's
reacting more to him than he is on the game plan.

Speaker 5 (49:13):
So it's just something the watch and bus you know,
you know, you could, you know, to Evan's point, if
you want to come out and be physical and run
the ball, that's a great way to neutralize pass rushers
and keep the hills. Get them up you know, get
them up field a little bit and maybe see if
you can you can, if you could crease them. But
this would be about McDaniels and you know what, what

(49:38):
the whatever the game plan is going to be in
the passing game and has got to be quick, right.
You can't expect to have typical Drake may plays where
he's surveying the field looking and drive the ball down
field and taking time because I don't care if it's
a double team, He's going to get there. He's gonna
And Malcolm Coons isn't bad. He's not Max Crosby, He's

(49:58):
not even close to Max Cross.

Speaker 3 (49:59):
But he gets his ship.

Speaker 5 (50:00):
He had eight sacks last year.

Speaker 3 (50:01):
Which is two years ago.

Speaker 5 (50:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think he had eight last year.

Speaker 10 (50:04):
No, he tours Aco last year.

Speaker 5 (50:06):
Oh okay, that was Chase on last year.

Speaker 10 (50:08):
But yeah, they I mean, you guys, they've been chipping the.

Speaker 6 (50:12):
Ends a ton in practice and the practices that we
were seeing and even that like Yeah, he's still gonna
get there. But at least it gives Drake May that
half a beat to scan the field a little bit.
If it's third and eight and they know they have
to drop back past, if you can chip the ends,
then at least it gives them.

Speaker 10 (50:28):
A little time.

Speaker 6 (50:28):
But I think the Bowers thing, I assume that they're
going to probably bracket Bowers or something like that too.
That's where not having Gonzo can hurt you, because he's
Gonzo is going to be one on one against Jacoby
Myers in that scenario, and that is a matchup that
I think you can live with. But if it's Alex Austin,
or if it's Marcus Jones one on one against Jacoby Myers,

(50:49):
then that's a downgrade.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
Hels playing a little cat and mouse, But probably not.

Speaker 5 (50:55):
I mean, so let's just for argument's sake, I'm not please,
don't not getting an argument about this.

Speaker 4 (51:01):
Oh, yes you are.

Speaker 5 (51:04):
Would it makes sense to you to not having practiced.
So this is gonna be about thirty five days, right, right,
So let's say he's been practicing the last couple so
he went thirty days without practicing, and then it was
part of a ruse. So not having practiced for the
other days and having practiced the last.

Speaker 3 (51:23):
It's like it's it's like Rabel knows more chance than
not he's going to play. But I don't need to
tell anybody.

Speaker 5 (51:32):
No, no, there might be that. Yeah, but I don't
think that's a good ruse. Yeah, Like I think it
would be better if you just said no, no, no,
he's been practicing the last two weeks and he's up
to speed.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
Well, I don't think I'm saying he hasn't been practicing
the last two weeks. He hasn't been practicing.

Speaker 5 (51:46):
Okay, then yeah, what's the sense of doing a ruse
if he's not practiced.

Speaker 3 (51:50):
Because because you know he's gonna, he's gonna he's close.

Speaker 5 (51:53):
Like Mike said, Like, if I'm Pete Carroll right now,
I'm fully anticipating Christian Gonzalez being at corner on Sunday.
If he's not, that makes your job easier, right, right,
I guess So, yeah, all right. I think it was
July twenty eighth was the day he got hurt in practice.
So we're talking like first day of Patty five plus
days that he's going to go, you know, practicing.

Speaker 10 (52:15):
If I know, I'm more worried about like from tomorrow,
Like I'm not worried about Gonza. Solution is the problem, right,
Like can he There's no chance he can play seventy
snaps on Sunday.

Speaker 5 (52:27):
That's my whole point. Yeah, Like like why would you
go out of your way to you know, I misunderstood
what Fred's part of the ruse was, Like why would
you go out of your way to have him not
be ready to play? Yeah, just so the other team
doesn't know he's not playing.

Speaker 4 (52:41):
I just say, generally speaking, and it goes back a
little bit to Pepper's thing based on the joint practices.
I'm just I'm so curious how they're going to deal
with tight ends all season long with this defense and
Bowers is unique, and Evan's been the one to say
it's more about the average tight ends, the guys.

Speaker 3 (52:55):
That are sneaky.

Speaker 5 (52:56):
This guy's are wide receiving right.

Speaker 4 (52:58):
Right, So you know you're going to get attention with
him and it'll be probably a special game pan But
week in week out, is Christian ellis your tight end?
E racer?

Speaker 12 (53:07):
Is that?

Speaker 3 (53:08):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (53:08):
Like, there's not really is it going to be Craig Woodson,
Like it's questions. Yeah, and there's good tight ends across
the league.

Speaker 6 (53:15):
I just wonder, like, it's to me, how game plan
oriented are they actually going to be. Like we knew
with Bill that Bill was going to have something for
Brock Bauers, and I expect we're able to have something
for Brock Browers too. But Belichick had a lot of
really creative double teams and brackets and calls within the
structure of the defense that they would run against these
types of players, like you know, when they would face

(53:37):
a Bowers level type.

Speaker 5 (53:38):
Of Travis Kelcey. There were times where Travis Kelcey was
taken out. Now was at the expense of giving up
thirty five to everybody else, but he did nothing. And
I think that Bill treated Kelsey as a wide receiver,
not a tight end, certainly, and I think that's the
way they'll look at Bob.

Speaker 3 (53:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (53:55):
I mean the AFC Championship game that they had corners
on Kelsey the entire game is j C. Jackson a
little bit of Stefan Gilmore So they treated him.

Speaker 3 (54:04):
Like a receiver. Nathan's in New Hampshire. What's up, Nathan, Hey, how's.

Speaker 12 (54:10):
It going, guysyton, I got a question about the quarterbacks.
So last season, the quarterbacks took one thousand, ninety one snaps,
and I'm curious what your guys just take on how
many snaps each quarterback will take?

Speaker 14 (54:24):
Drake many Joshua Dobbs and Tommy DeVito this year? If
there's a thousand snaps, So what percent or what number
will eat to them take? Or how many will any
unknown quarterback that we don't know of at this point
if something happens and they bring in another we're heading
into week one.

Speaker 5 (54:40):
That's a really uplifting question. Obviously, you're talking if how many,
how many games the Drake may are going to be hurt?

Speaker 3 (54:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (54:47):
Can I go in thinking that he's going to play
seventeen games? And yes, can you let me have that
little fantasy?

Speaker 3 (54:52):
Yeah, ninety nine point nine percent?

Speaker 4 (54:54):
Yeah, just kneel down down a couple of kneel.

Speaker 10 (54:56):
Down time, garbage time, Dobbs, is there an to be
up forty five to nothing?

Speaker 3 (55:01):
Can we do that?

Speaker 10 (55:02):
Throw him out there a couple of times? Mop up duty?

Speaker 3 (55:05):
But kind of makes me think, does Tommy DeVito end
up winning the number two job?

Speaker 10 (55:11):
I think it's possible. I do dialistically. I just think
he's a little bit more of a fit.

Speaker 4 (55:18):
You know, in practice, Like could you tell from what
we'll see in practice or would have to be like, oh,
di Vito's going in here that the Patriots are up
twenty in the fourth quarters? Di Vito going in now?

Speaker 6 (55:28):
Well, I would think like on the game day actives right, like,
because the emergency quarterback is the third string quarterback, so
typically so all of a sudden, Dobbs becomes the emergency quarterback.

Speaker 3 (55:41):
That's right.

Speaker 5 (55:44):
Personally, I don't think much of okay, bad uh.

Speaker 3 (55:49):
Like the let's go to Providence, Randy's there? What's up Randy?

Speaker 15 (55:55):
Hey, guys, how's going to that?

Speaker 3 (55:57):
Good? Great?

Speaker 16 (55:59):
So I was because a lot of sports for innership
and stuff you hear about, you know, prep through the
game and people talking about Max Kraft versus Campbell, and
I just don't Max Crofty usually runs the right tackle.

Speaker 3 (56:13):
Yeah, your your connection.

Speaker 5 (56:15):
We've talked about that.

Speaker 10 (56:16):
I got right though, It's kind of something that's starting
to annoy me. What ball nowhere?

Speaker 6 (56:22):
You know, everybody's like, oh, like Crosby against Will Campbell.
I'm like, okay, Well, Crosby likes to rush over the
other side. So, and there's a lot of guys like Crosby.

Speaker 15 (56:33):
T J.

Speaker 6 (56:33):
Watt is another one that typically rushes over the right tackle.
Von Miller historically likes rushing over the right tackle. I
was actually talking about Morgan Moses to Morgan Moses about it.

Speaker 10 (56:44):
It's like, why do you think that is?

Speaker 3 (56:45):
Like, why do you think because your turnfoot is your
right foot, and yeah.

Speaker 10 (56:50):
Yeah, I don't know what it is that is the reason.

Speaker 6 (56:53):
But eighty eighty five percent of the time Max Crosby's
over the right tackle. Now, they could say Campbell a
rookie in his first NFL game and we're going to
test him.

Speaker 10 (57:02):
I'm not saying they.

Speaker 6 (57:02):
Couldn't, right, But at the end of the day, I was,
if Crosby wants to rush over the right tackle, then
I'm letting Crosby rush where he wants to rush.

Speaker 5 (57:10):
Right wherever he would feel more comfortable. But I was
maybe I'll throw this to Evan. I'll throw Evan the ball,
no or bone. Why do you think more elite pass
rushers don't do it that way? Because wouldn't you think?
And I know this is a little less than it
used to be, but can you think the easier matchup
oftentimes is the right tackle.

Speaker 10 (57:29):
Yeah yeah, well yeah, I don't know what do you
mean by easier matchup?

Speaker 3 (57:34):
Just like, well, generally the.

Speaker 5 (57:35):
Left tackle is a better player than the right tackle,
so it was tougher to beat on the pass rush.

Speaker 10 (57:40):
Right, so you'd go against the lesser player on right.

Speaker 5 (57:42):
Which is a lot of people used to criticize. Maybe
old friend Brian Morey used to criticize the guys that
predominantly ran on that because they didn't want to face
the left tackle.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
Right.

Speaker 3 (57:52):
Yeah, you want to get sad.

Speaker 4 (57:53):
There's also the old thing which I don't even know
if this is true anymore of the teams like to
run right more.

Speaker 12 (57:57):
You know.

Speaker 4 (57:57):
That's more left sides can be your blind side pass
protector and your right side is a little bit more
of your maller. I know it doesn't always work out
that way, but traditionally that's been the case that if
you're on.

Speaker 5 (58:07):
Your best pass off the blind side.

Speaker 4 (58:09):
Yeah yeah, and you want your edge setter and your
guy who's going to be tough against it. I mean,
and that's Max Crosby too, but you know, usually that
guy's gonna get stuck set in the edge.

Speaker 6 (58:16):
You just see it a lot more now with the
premiere pass rushers that a lot of guys prefer rushing
over the right side. It's a really interesting question that I,
you know, wish that I had Max Crosby to ask him.

Speaker 5 (58:30):
Yeah, I would just say that. And this is completely anecdotal.
I have no none of Evan's stats to back this up.
But I feel like I've seen more in the last
couple of years, maybe even longer than that, more quote
unquote blind side hits from the coming off the right side,
where a quarterback just doesn't see him, you know, because
he's fixated on the other side and it's even though

(58:53):
it's coming to the front side. Do you remember the
play that you probably don't Evan might Anthony Richardson in
the preseason. Yeah, well he missed the guy that right,
but it was a front side blind side hit. I mean,
I feel like I've seen more of those in the
last couple of years than I ever remember seeing before.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (59:10):
I mean that one was he was hot to the
right side and he didn't see the blitzer coming. Yeah,
so like he thought he was. I think a lot
of times with the.

Speaker 6 (59:18):
Quarterbacks when they get blind sided, it's because they think
that they have the numbers to the side, so they're
not expecting the guy to win as quickly as he
does because they think that they have the hat on
the hat to that side.

Speaker 10 (59:29):
In Richardson's case, he did not have had on it
all right.

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Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
How are we doing? Karen? Thank you.

Speaker 19 (01:02:06):
Can you shed some light on why it made sense.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
To release growth compers?

Speaker 20 (01:02:15):
Well, I think that these things, you know, are tough decisions,
you know. I think we're just trying to get it right.
And I got a lot of respect for Jabriel as
as a person and as a player, and what we
felt like was in the best interest of a team
at this point.

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
Was was allowing him to have another opportunity elsewhere.

Speaker 20 (01:02:37):
And there's a lot of things that go into these decisions,
and you know, they're never easy, and we're just trying
to get it right collectively. And again, I know that
there's a personal side and professional side. I've talked about
that with the players this morning, and whether you agree
with it or disagree with it, just just try to
respect it and.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
Then move forward and continue to build a team, continue.

Speaker 20 (01:03:02):
To build a program, and I know, Gabriel, you know
we'll we'll do we'll do good things in this league
and the outside of the field as well as passionate player.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
And again got a lot of respect for him, Oh
my god.

Speaker 19 (01:03:17):
In terms of intangible s, you brough out a lot
of what you'd like to think about passion plays.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
The allowance was there was there a ski fit issue?

Speaker 20 (01:03:24):
No, I don't think that was certainly not, you know,
not the issue. There's a lot of reasons. You know,
I wouldn't say that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
You know, that's you know, we're we're going to try
to do what's best for the team.

Speaker 20 (01:03:37):
We got a lot of different schemes that we can
run in all three phases, special teams, offense, and defense.
So you know, there's there's a lot that goes into it.
And again we're just trying to build towards Sunday here
and and that's our focus. And again that the decision
that we had to make. And you know, again wish
the best for Jabril.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
Fall off from the untrim takes like through a lot
of experience.

Speaker 20 (01:04:03):
Well, I think that his athleticism, I think his range
in the in the field, and then the more he plays,
I think he'll continue to get better. And you know
that that's the hope there with with Craig, and you
know we'll see with with with with Hawk and with
Doug and obviously Dell working back there now. So you know,

(01:04:27):
just trying to find a role for everybody here.

Speaker 5 (01:04:30):
Have you kind of made a conscious decision to put
your infrot on the team?

Speaker 20 (01:04:35):
Is the number of guys who have been the leaders
with that first lb Cardona, Andrews, Jonathan Johnson, fut twise,
they were still hit the.

Speaker 4 (01:04:43):
Leaders assessions, they're tremendously successful to so like whotho less?

Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
Have you made a conscious decision to kind of we're
gonna pivot a little bit from that group of leadership
to a.

Speaker 20 (01:04:54):
Different I don't you know, never really thought about it
in terms of of that when we tried to make
decisi Some of those players were free agents, some of
them work currently on the roster, So you know, I
don't think that's ever been a conscious decision. I think
we're just trying to evaluate the roster and you know,
provide the pieces that we feel like we need right now.

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
Do you see a core of leaders who are are I.

Speaker 20 (01:05:24):
Think that that has to happen every year. You know,
we voted for captains. We'll we'll inform those guys here
before practice. You know, the players voted this morning, so
we'll inform those guys before practice. And I think we
all know that every year is a new year in
this league and that's kind of how it how it goes,
and so the leadership has to grow from whether it's

(01:05:47):
a captain. We talked about that not having any restrictions
on leadership and hopefully that at whatever level, we have
guys that that can lead. So you know, we'll have
captains and then we'll have hopefully a lot more leaders
as well. But yeah, I wouldn't anticipate Yeah, I wouldn't
anticipate him out here, uh here today. So hopefully that improves.

(01:06:10):
But you know, he's working hard and trying to improve
and he wants to be out there. And you know,
I think this is good for us and for Christian
and the team is you know, try not to be frustrated. Obviously,
those things happen, and it's how we respond to him.
It's it's how hard we work to get back the
communication all the things that that he's doing, so, you know,

(01:06:35):
just continue to work hard to get back and try
to make sure that you know we're doing everything we
can to help him.

Speaker 5 (01:06:40):
They're concerned for him on Sunday with the timing dates.

Speaker 20 (01:06:44):
Well, again, I think that uh, having to get him
back for practice first and then we'll have an update
and status for for Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
Like you mentioned, maybe never not to be frustrated.

Speaker 5 (01:06:56):
Is that something into the team Christians.

Speaker 20 (01:06:59):
Know, that's my own personal experience of you know, when
you're not in there right, when you're not in there
with the team, I guess, and I appreciate you actually
clarifying or asking. Those are just things in the course
of of my career or being being a coach and
dealing with players that they want to they want to play,
they want to be out there, right, So those are

(01:07:21):
I guess the things that I have tried to talk
to all the players about is the time that you're
not on the field, is how you stay engaged and
stay into the meetings and the schedule and just you know,
they all want to play. So again, I think that
was just a broad term for things that I've tried

(01:07:43):
to focus on when guys aren't out there that could
go for Jilani or anybody else.

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
At this point, I appreciate that step back off. Well
it just hasn't gone.

Speaker 20 (01:07:57):
You know, again he's working hard and whether it's again
we could say this one injury is going to be
three to four weeks, one's going to be one to two.
Everybody heals differently, So just making sure that when the
players are back that they can do their job with confidence,
that they can protect themselves on on the field, and

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that they can't make it any worse. Those are some
things that I try to use as guidelines for when
players are ready to play and get back there, not trying.

Speaker 10 (01:08:30):
To get questrated with this about what have you.

Speaker 9 (01:08:33):
Seen doctor, and specifically that you definitely have at that
position with the dogs design.

Speaker 20 (01:08:39):
I mean, I think DJ was one of our more
improved players over the course of from rookie mini camp,
which is you know he participated in that as a
veteran that had the ability to participate in that till
now you know, Double A has done a nice job
of going out there and playing corner and playing nickel.

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Marcus provides a lot of leadership in there. It's been
good to have CD strengths some days together. So you know,
it provides opportunity for the guys, and we'd love to
have Gonzo back, you know, trust me, we would. But
I think the other guys that have stepped up and
tried to uh take advantage of the opportunity.

Speaker 5 (01:09:24):
Jim Hopkins big symmetry fit for his defense for this team.

Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
For Mayer scheme.

Speaker 20 (01:09:29):
Well, again it's this is not a scheme dependent, you know.
I mean we've we've run a lot of different schemes.
We've had a lot of different players play different positions
for us. I think he's come in, he's played fast,
he's communicated, he's tried to play with some you know
violence around the line of scrimmage and and you know
whether that's on the perimeter passes that we saw in

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some of the earlier games.

Speaker 1 (01:09:54):
I think he's comfortable.

Speaker 20 (01:09:55):
And you know, again, the more reps that he's gotten,
I think the the better he's gotten it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
And we'll hopefully perform. What do you look about.

Speaker 20 (01:10:08):
I think you're always looking for young defensive linemen and
guys with with good size and and and length and production.
So somebody that we had targeted, you know, through the
draft process as it got to the towards the back
end of the draft, and you know whether that was
whether he was going to be drafted or not. And
I think just the personnel department focusing on some of

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those players at cutdown day and having a good list,
and you know, some of the players that we were
able to add.

Speaker 1 (01:10:38):
I'm really excited about working with here.

Speaker 20 (01:10:40):
Haven't really been able to work with him since we
claimed him Thursday and then when we added Airic.

Speaker 10 (01:10:54):
And now great moments in.

Speaker 1 (01:10:59):
History.

Speaker 5 (01:11:00):
The neighbor that burns everything, plastic everything, now that's now
that that's bad.

Speaker 10 (01:11:05):
Yeah, that's even even I would say. But I don't
get Matt's.

Speaker 3 (01:11:09):
That must be an awful smell is horrible when he
does it.

Speaker 5 (01:11:14):
It's always the guy that burns the leaves too, and
it's up.

Speaker 3 (01:11:17):
I don't mind leaving, but it ends up.

Speaker 5 (01:11:19):
With like a blaze and ashes are coming into my yard.
Though when he's doing.

Speaker 3 (01:11:21):
Well, you're not supposed to burn leaves. You can burn
brush and stuff, but not leaves. But people, I know everything.
I got a guy across the street smokers, he's got
he's got his main driving paved, but then he's got
this back road which is all dirt. And he could.
He keeps putting down wood ships, and every time it rains,
the wood ships just drain right out into the street.

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He doesn't get it. It's like it's not gonna work.
How many times are you gonna do this? He keeps
doing it, and it keeps just running right out.

Speaker 10 (01:11:54):
Just keep it dirt or paving something sounds like a pillow.

Speaker 3 (01:11:57):
But like the first time, the first time you look
at it, Oh, that didn't work, and you don't do
it again. He keeps doing it.

Speaker 18 (01:12:04):
That's another great moment.

Speaker 5 (01:12:08):
All right.

Speaker 3 (01:12:09):
Back here at Patriots on Filtered A five five Pats
five hundred is the hot line podcast at Patriots dot
com is the email address. We're talking a little bit
on break about last night's uh.

Speaker 5 (01:12:23):
Not good bob. Yeah, tough debut for Billy Bellachi.

Speaker 3 (01:12:27):
Yeah, not good Bob. They'll get better. They will get better,
I think I think the.

Speaker 5 (01:12:34):
I think they will as well.

Speaker 3 (01:12:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:12:37):
But the other the thing that surprised me was how
sloppy they looked about the talent we knew they were
going to be. You know, they're gonna have a hard
time competing with good teams because they're not going to
have their players yet but they couldn't execute snaps, you know,
whether it be a shotgun special teams were a mess, bad,

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like just bad football.

Speaker 3 (01:12:59):
But the other Patriots coach who made his college coach
and debut did very well.

Speaker 5 (01:13:03):
I thought fourteen to seven Watricia, the number one ranked
team in the country, we should all be thinking.

Speaker 3 (01:13:10):
His defense played out. They they showed up.

Speaker 6 (01:13:14):
Yeah, a lot of cutups going around of some of
the exotics that he was running, like some of the pressures.

Speaker 3 (01:13:21):
And single handedly took arch Man NFL NFL schemes.

Speaker 5 (01:13:25):
At the collegiate level, well, I think it's a lot
of people were talking about that.

Speaker 6 (01:13:28):
It's funny because you know, they're like the skuis and
coverage and these college quarterbacks are like, what the heck
is going on? Like you can just see arch manning
like looking around and guys are dropping out and they're
spinning the dial, and he's like, what the heck. But
you know, only teams like Ohio State have the horses
to actually execute that type of defense. So that's why
you don't see it across all college But when you

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have you know, Caleb Downs in Ohio State secondary, you
can go ahead and do some of those NFL things.

Speaker 5 (01:13:56):
Remember Caleb Downspread, Okay, yeah, talking about him on'll be
on the February.

Speaker 3 (01:14:01):
But when when arch man do the bars of the
world like did their heads like explode? Because so I
would just.

Speaker 5 (01:14:09):
Say that arch Manning took arch Manning out of the
Heisman conversation. I just think I don't think he played
very well.

Speaker 10 (01:14:15):
I think he was in a blender. But I think
that those two things go on.

Speaker 3 (01:14:19):
I think that's part of being a great court.

Speaker 5 (01:14:21):
I saw there was there were the cutups that I
was looking at and I was like, he looks like
you knows where he's supposed to go with the ball,
He's just not getting it there. But the one ball
that I would say was in a blender, to Evan's point,
was the pick. It's just dumb, Yeah, like you try
to throw like an over route into like bracket cuts
like it was red shirts everywhere. It was one of
those defensive team meetings. Someone was going to pick that off.
That was a really bad play. But I just think

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he was He was off until the end of the
game when he down fourteen to nothing. That drive that
he put together to score the touchdown, the touchdown throw
was really good. And then he had another throw down
the sideline and the next drive that he dropped one
in perfect on the sideline I think to the tight
end for like thirty yards, but then he missed an
easy crossing route on third and five. He knew exactly

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where his guy was. Best player. Who was that speedster there?
To get his name? Now that's my problem when I
watch these college games. I'm like, Oh, that guy's good,
and then I forget the names.

Speaker 10 (01:15:16):
Yeah, a lot of Texas receivers are under classmen.

Speaker 5 (01:15:19):
They had Goolden and one of they got.

Speaker 10 (01:15:22):
All those guys go to the NFL, so they have
a lot of younger receivers. But it's just Ohio State.

Speaker 6 (01:15:29):
It's one of those schools that has the talent on
the defense to actually do some of the things that
Patricia was doing. But I guess is that a lot
of these offensive minds in college.

Speaker 5 (01:15:38):
Well, we'll catch up. Mattie p was really good, really
good first game.

Speaker 3 (01:15:42):
Does that Alabama head coach finish the season the bear?

Speaker 5 (01:15:48):
But I will say yes, but I don't think he'll
be the coach next year.

Speaker 3 (01:15:53):
Yeah. William the wide receiver for Alabama hurt. Did he
come back in the game.

Speaker 5 (01:16:02):
It was like the second to last play of the game.

Speaker 3 (01:16:04):
Ok.

Speaker 5 (01:16:04):
I don't think, but I think he got can cussed
his head right.

Speaker 3 (01:16:07):
I watched the play. It didn't look like it was
that straight on of a hit.

Speaker 5 (01:16:11):
I know he didn't get hit. That's why I took
the targeting. He hit his head on the ground.

Speaker 3 (01:16:15):
Oh on the ground.

Speaker 5 (01:16:16):
Yeah, okay, okay, but he had a tough game. He
did not play well in the game.

Speaker 3 (01:16:22):
Yeah Williams.

Speaker 5 (01:16:23):
Yeah, I mean nobody.

Speaker 6 (01:16:25):
I mean Caden Proctor, their left tackle is supposed to
be a top ten pick in this upcoming draft, and
he got beat by a freshman.

Speaker 10 (01:16:32):
I got true freshman.

Speaker 5 (01:16:35):
I don't know if you watch much of that game, Freddy.
Florida State dominated that game the last fifty one. The
first nine minutes, Alabama went down the field. It was
like North Carolina last night. It was a long drive
that went down and scored the rest of the game.
Florida State killed them. The game was not as close
as the score indicated.

Speaker 10 (01:16:53):
I think you look at all these college games, so
you do. It was just one week. But the Patriots
stinking in a quarter good quarterback class, I think is
like such a great feeling if you're a Patriots fan.
Because if I had to sell myself on Arch Manning
and sellers a kid from South Carolina that played the

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other day, or club Nick from Clemson, or ness Meyer,
any of these guys I do like, I would be concerned.

Speaker 3 (01:17:23):
It's just tco. But Hoover looked pretty good.

Speaker 5 (01:17:25):
He's a good player. Yeah, he's not considered one of
those guys that Evan's talking about. It is supposed to
be a strong quarterback class. I don't think arch Manning
is going to come out. But the other guys that
that Evan's talking about are all I mean, I think
field Yates has one, two three right now. I don't
see that. I don't see that talent. But I do
like ness Meyer.

Speaker 10 (01:17:44):
Ness Meyer is smart.

Speaker 6 (01:17:45):
You can tell that he gets you can think the game,
and he can really connection there with Meyer.

Speaker 10 (01:17:50):
Will Campbell's dating his sister.

Speaker 3 (01:17:52):
Relieve, did you know that, Paul. I did not know that.

Speaker 5 (01:17:55):
That to me is not a connection. But I thought,
you mean, like I was thinking, I was thinking of
his father is like a coach, Like Will.

Speaker 3 (01:18:02):
Campbell is dating his sister, that's a connection, But what
the family.

Speaker 10 (01:18:07):
I did not think any of the quarterbacks looked great.

Speaker 5 (01:18:11):
No, I mean the defense. Defense is controlled almost all
of the games. You know, eventually the Miami game, you know,
got to like twenty seven to twenty four, But even
that game, I thought the defense is controlled most of it.
And Beck is another one of those guys that a
lot of people think as a fresh rounder. You know
who did throw the ball? Well, now they didn't face anybody.

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Is the kid I don't really think all that much
of is Drew Aller from Penn State. Yeah, but they
played Nevada and they completely dominated side note Will's friend played.
Oh my buddy from Bishop Fenwick. When you say played
as he did, he played late in the game tackle
defensive tackle.

Speaker 3 (01:18:50):
Yeah, it's cool. Okay, back to the phones, we go
eight five five pats five hundred to see one of
your sons, Nolan earlier. We'll go back to him. Nolan's
in New Hampshire. What's up, Nolan? Nolan? Wow? Two strikes
and you're out. We'll go up to Boston Cream. What's up? Boston?

Speaker 5 (01:19:09):
Crean did use a Boston Cream?

Speaker 15 (01:19:11):
No more stripes, buddy, it's a home run right now. Okay,
I got some trivia for Paul, mostly because I've been
listening for almost fifteen years, and I really want a
T shirt. All right, It's it's really hard to stump
Paul and be fair, but I did my best here.

Speaker 12 (01:19:28):
Paul.

Speaker 15 (01:19:28):
You locked and loaded there, buddy, I'm ready.

Speaker 12 (01:19:32):
Okay.

Speaker 15 (01:19:33):
The name what was the name of Jellette Stadium before
you left? Bought the naming rights?

Speaker 5 (01:19:40):
CMGI Field?

Speaker 14 (01:19:43):
Darn it?

Speaker 3 (01:19:43):
Okay, come on, I knew that one.

Speaker 15 (01:19:46):
Yeah, oh no, oh, trust me. They get more, they
get more difficult. Nineteen ninety four Drew Bledsoe through the
ball seventy times in a game?

Speaker 5 (01:19:57):
Who's the opponent, Paul Minnesota?

Speaker 3 (01:19:59):
Come on?

Speaker 5 (01:20:01):
I thank Evan would have gotten I know it wasn't
even born.

Speaker 15 (01:20:05):
Okay, I'm not feeling very confident here, but that's okay.
Who ended the.

Speaker 5 (01:20:09):
Forty five for seventy for four to twenty one and
two touchdowns, no picks, no sacks, overtime touchdown pass to
Kevin Turner. In case you want to know any more
about that.

Speaker 15 (01:20:19):
Game, I think Paul Knight might need an assessment. Was
that the spectrum this memory is crazy?

Speaker 13 (01:20:27):
Okay?

Speaker 15 (01:20:28):
Who ended the Patriots twenty one game Witten streak Pittsburgh?

Speaker 5 (01:20:34):
What week and what year Week seven of four?

Speaker 15 (01:20:40):
I had Week one, but no, it wasn't that.

Speaker 3 (01:20:43):
It could be wrong, definitely wasn't wasn't a week one?

Speaker 5 (01:20:45):
They were six and oh and ty Law Brocus.

Speaker 3 (01:20:48):
Wasn't it around Halloween?

Speaker 5 (01:20:49):
Yeah? I thought it was weeks I thought there was
six and oh. Now it could have been week eight.
They might have had a buye.

Speaker 3 (01:20:54):
I don't remember that.

Speaker 5 (01:20:55):
I don't remember the forf I'm pretty sure that they
were six and oh and they lost at Pittsburgh. Yeah,
they got They got blow blowed out at Pittsburgh. As
Evan Emmitt Smith would.

Speaker 3 (01:21:05):
Say, what happened in the playoffs, they blew Pittsburgh out.

Speaker 5 (01:21:08):
Pittsburgh got blowed out.

Speaker 3 (01:21:10):
They take all right, Boston Cream, you're on the hook.

Speaker 15 (01:21:13):
Heah, No, this is my last last attempt here to
stumpfall in two thousand and seven. In the two thousand
and seven season, who is the only team to come
within three points of defeating the team during the regular season?

Speaker 5 (01:21:30):
I think that's a trick question.

Speaker 3 (01:21:32):
Who was the only team to come within three points?

Speaker 5 (01:21:34):
So Philadelphia lost? Philadelphia lost by three, But I thought
baltimoreill lose by four? Maybe, Okay, Yeah, Philadelphia I'm gonna
say thirty one, twenty eight.

Speaker 15 (01:21:47):
Okay, I'm starting not to trust my sores here.

Speaker 5 (01:21:50):
Okay, that might be wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:21:51):
Right, Well, what's your huh?

Speaker 15 (01:21:54):
But it was twenty four to twenty to the cold
the story, I said three, it was four points.

Speaker 5 (01:21:59):
Okay, chez, I want to say cheez. I want to
say that was an aj feely game for Philadelphia thirty
one to twenty eight.

Speaker 3 (01:22:06):
What was the final score? That Samuel was a huge?

Speaker 5 (01:22:09):
Oh, that was thirty eight, thirty five. That was another
three point game.

Speaker 10 (01:22:13):
Twenty four to twenty Colts's correct, thirty one twenty eight, Philly.
Paul got that one.

Speaker 5 (01:22:17):
That's why I said it's a trick question, because I
thought there were more three point.

Speaker 6 (01:22:20):
Games Baltimore twenty seven to twenty four of the following week,
thirty eight, thirty five Giants.

Speaker 5 (01:22:26):
There's three three point games in a four point game?

Speaker 3 (01:22:28):
Yeah, not every game.

Speaker 15 (01:22:30):
I can't stump the guy.

Speaker 3 (01:22:32):
Yeah, try again, Okay, Boston Kareem, thanks for the call. Man,
send them a T shirt anyway, Man, send the man
a T shirt.

Speaker 5 (01:22:39):
I want to be charitable.

Speaker 3 (01:22:41):
Anyone who listened for fifteen years, you know what the
hell right?

Speaker 4 (01:22:45):
Why not give him a T shirt.

Speaker 3 (01:22:46):
All right, we got a ton of emails, A ton
of emails.

Speaker 5 (01:22:51):
Why don't you read something I will.

Speaker 3 (01:22:54):
We'll start with Claudio Teichman, who's writing in from Brazil. Think,
uh no, that's yes, he is. He's from Brazil. He says,
did the Patriots play with white jerseys on Sunday? Doing so,
it forces the Raiders to play with black jerseys. I
remember twenty ten home opener against the Bengals. We played

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with white jerseys.

Speaker 4 (01:23:16):
So if it's really sunny, they did in two thousand
and eight too, when Tom Brady got hurt.

Speaker 10 (01:23:20):
So I don't think it's going to be hot enough
for that. This isn't this is in South Florida.

Speaker 3 (01:23:24):
Well, we talked about like regular trivia if it has
to do with anything attire.

Speaker 4 (01:23:30):
I like you all right, But what patches were they
wearing on Week one two thousand and eight when Tom
Brady got hurt. Every team in the NFL had a
patch on their jersey for Week one. One team wore
to patch the rest of the year, but only one
game everybody in the team had a patch on there.
You remember what that patch was?

Speaker 10 (01:23:48):
Let me think, no picture Brady, you know he drops
back two thousand, Oh, we got hit in the knee.

Speaker 4 (01:23:53):
They're wearing white jerseys. There's a random, big circle patch
on them, commemorating a certain someone who passed away his
initials longtime NFL PA raider.

Speaker 5 (01:24:05):
Oh, Gene Upshaw.

Speaker 3 (01:24:06):
Guh. I was gonna say bront workware, but.

Speaker 4 (01:24:10):
Yeah, that was always that. I wouldn't say the labor thing.
I would gu that was always the Brady like whenever whatever.
Watching random NFL highlights and you see like a game
where the two teams have the goo patch on.

Speaker 5 (01:24:20):
I'm like week one, So I go to in ninety
four they all had seventy. Whenever I see those highlights,
I'm like, God, that was from the ninety four.

Speaker 4 (01:24:33):
So you go, bust the cream. You could have taken
my question. You would have he would have gotten the
T shirt. Well we got a T shirt anyway, didn't he? Congratulations?
Do we send into Canada?

Speaker 5 (01:24:41):
Any of you guys watching the Cowboys documentary series?

Speaker 3 (01:24:46):
Watch I've got it downloaded. I haven't started it yet.

Speaker 5 (01:24:50):
I have to watch the final one. I watched the
first seven. It's it's not bad. It's not bad. It's
like any other documentary you have to sort of. I
say this all the time. I'm you decide do I
want full access or do I want the unvarnished truth.
Generally you don't get both, right, and they have a
lot of access. Yeah, you know, so, I do think

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Jerry Jones tries to portray himself in a manner in
which I would say is a little bit yeah, disingenuous.
But it's worth watching. It's worth watching.

Speaker 3 (01:25:21):
I've got it downloaded.

Speaker 10 (01:25:22):
That man loves a press conference. Watching the Micah Parsons
trade press conference, I was like, this is like theater.
I couldn't shut it off.

Speaker 5 (01:25:31):
The other part of it is it's really true to
today because of that, because when you're watching it and
you're like, oh these things, he went through this thirty
years ago, and it's the same thing happening now.

Speaker 1 (01:25:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:25:42):
I was pretty surprised Parsons actually moved.

Speaker 5 (01:25:45):
So we didn't talk about that at all. Oh, a defensive.

Speaker 4 (01:25:49):
Tackle, I mean good defensive tackle.

Speaker 5 (01:25:52):
I think it's a good trade. I mean I think
it potentially can be a good trade for both sides.
I wouldn't have done it if I were Dallas. I
think I just think he's too good of a play
to willingly.

Speaker 3 (01:26:01):
Just so you're saying you would have paid them.

Speaker 5 (01:26:04):
I would have paid him that contract.

Speaker 4 (01:26:05):
Yeah, I thought that's what they were going to do.

Speaker 10 (01:26:07):
Yeah, I can I actually can see both sides.

Speaker 5 (01:26:10):
I can see both sides.

Speaker 10 (01:26:11):
It's a really good haul. I mean, first round pick.

Speaker 3 (01:26:15):
I just thought about the herschel Walker thing, that's what
everyone was thinking of.

Speaker 5 (01:26:18):
But it's nothing compared to that. You know, that was
eighteen players.

Speaker 10 (01:26:21):
I know thet it's different.

Speaker 5 (01:26:22):
It's a part of that trade. They got a whole
there's a part of that trade that I and again
you get reminded of these details when you watch like
a documentary like this. Do you know that they got
like five players from Minnesota in addition to like I
think it was like two or three first round picks
or whatever. That there was like a handful of picks

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plus five players. But as part of the deal. Ev
you'll love this because I know you don't remember this
because again you weren't alive.

Speaker 10 (01:26:49):
I don't think I was actually for this one.

Speaker 5 (01:26:51):
They made an agreement. Dallas made an agreement with Minnesota.
If any of those players gets released after the season,
they will they will require additional draft picks. So Dallas
had no intentions of keeping any of these players. Mike Linn,

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who was the GM of the Vikings at the time,
said yeah, yeah, you know you'll you'll keep those players.
And he didn't believe them, and he goes, no, no, no,
And that's how they got all the additional first round picks.

Speaker 3 (01:27:22):
Right from from that, they got Aikman right then they
get three.

Speaker 5 (01:27:26):
No, I don't think it was they got Smith. I
think it was Emmitt Smith is the only one of
the big three. But they have like Darren Woodson, I
mean Hall of Fame players. I want to say, like
Darren Woodson, Russell Maryland, guys like that. They mean the
core of their team they built there. I think some
of the linemen were part of those, but it was
ended up being eighteen players.

Speaker 10 (01:27:45):
But trades like obviously you're not times have changed.

Speaker 5 (01:27:49):
You're never going to see something now, right, But it's
I think it's a good haul for Dallas. And I
think if you're green Bay, you're a really good team.
You kind of stuck behind some other really good teams
and maybe this puts you over the top. So I
understand what Green Bay is looking at. It is like
we're going to be picking from what twenty five to
thirty two ish, so the two first round picks. Yeah,

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no one wants to lose first round picks, but end
of the first round probably if everything goes right.

Speaker 4 (01:28:17):
And if and if somebody told you you're going to
hit on a Micah Parsons on one of the next
two first round picks, would you take that bet?

Speaker 10 (01:28:24):
I mean his age helps too, Like he's only twenty seven.

Speaker 4 (01:28:26):
I mean, these players don't come along off and that's
don't get a lot of these deals with guys in
that prime like that, and there's like, you know, people
want to say, like, oh, Brandon Iyuk, you know, like
and they know that those are good players and stuff,
but there's just like AJ Brown, Michaeh Parsons, there's a
select handful of Khalil Mack, true special Khalil Mack trade
and people look at that and what did you do
for Chicago?

Speaker 5 (01:28:45):
It wasn't because of Khalil Mack. He was really good
for the Bears for a couple of years and he
was I think only twenty seven at the time.

Speaker 10 (01:28:53):
Parson's a better player, yeah, better all around.

Speaker 3 (01:28:56):
H Dana. When Chicago writes in Pumped it's finally game
week question, does Morgan Moses not being a captain mean
they expect Marcus Bryant to overtake him at right tackle
in the near future.

Speaker 6 (01:29:07):
I wouldn't look that much into it, but I was
surprised that Morgan mos wasn't a captain. Yeah, but I
wouldn't jump to that conclusion about it being depth chart related.
I just I don't know, so obviously something else related.

Speaker 4 (01:29:19):
But yeah, that was interurprised too, especially as we've been
in the locker room a little bit more. And you see,
I don't mean this in a negative connotation, like he's
a little bit of a pie piper, Like he seems
like he's talking to everybody and everybody checks in with him.
And I saw him like just busting Kaden Wallace as chops.
You know, it seems like he has those vibes. But
I was surprised that he wasn't.

Speaker 3 (01:29:41):
Cody writes in the One Elephant in the Room for
me is are we getting close to hitting the panic
button on whatever is going on with Gonzales.

Speaker 4 (01:29:50):
I wouldn't hit the panet really. I mean, I think
he's definitely concerned and it's not ideal, but I still
stick with what Paul's kind of say, like I want
him for the bulk of the season. I want to
end the season well, like I don't want to rush
him out there and put everything we have to get
a Week one win over the Raiders and then he's
lost for the season. You know, I'd rather have him
one hundred percent at the end when you're gonna win

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games and maybe put a nice whatever it could be
nice finish to the season, whether it's you know, preventing
someone from making the playoffs, making the playoffs yourself, just
finishing with a couple of wins that give you some
confidence going into the next offseason.

Speaker 3 (01:30:24):
Okay, a lot of uniform stuff. I guess the Rivalry's
release last week got people thinking. But David Mayne a
lot of Peppers emails too. I too was surprised by
the cutting of Drabrill Peppers. This is David Maine. I
said that already. My first thought was that Putts Elliott

(01:30:47):
we Wolf cut the wrong safety, followed by shot that
they couldn't have at least traded him for something. Now
I tend to think that they were saving money for
someone special. Do you think, yeah, Nuggets, do you think
that they are just budgeting for Gonzales next year, followed
by may or do you or do they want to

(01:31:07):
have cash at the trade deadline? Or maybe both? What
do you guys think? By the way, congrats on hiring Claudia.
Unfortunately Claudia is not with us anymore. Uh. Claudia was
offered and accepted a job with CBS.

Speaker 5 (01:31:21):
S Fred out did himself and his kingmaking or queen
making abilities. It didn't even take a season.

Speaker 3 (01:31:29):
It took two shows, two shows with us, and boom, Yeah,
she's going. She's moving to Florida to work for CBIN
what I was getting. I really liked her. They saw
her on our show, and CBS hired her.

Speaker 5 (01:31:41):
That's CBS network. I believe she's going to be on Saturdays.
So I'm not exactly sure. I think the h Q show.
I think she mentioned to us, Mike, So yeah, I
been working looking out for that.

Speaker 3 (01:31:51):
She's like a good kid. So I'm working on at
her house for her. I'm working on it.

Speaker 5 (01:31:55):
Mike, you're up this week, just me and you, buddy,
you call me. We don't need we don't need no hosts.

Speaker 4 (01:32:00):
I'm ready.

Speaker 5 (01:32:01):
Hey, Uh, you know, we don't want you if you
don't want to be part of this show. It's just
me and Mike. By the way, we're down together. Bro
won twin Powers.

Speaker 4 (01:32:08):
One more quick joke though, like the Jabil Peppers post
where it was like, I've been through seven different head coaches.
Like it felt like somebody be like, I've been through
seven marriages. I know what it takes to make it work,
you know, like, I don't know if you're making I
know what.

Speaker 5 (01:32:21):
His point was about the same thing, but I do
like I've been through seven head coaches. I don't think
that means what you think it right, right, I wasn't listening.
The guy's been in the league for eight or nine years,
he's been with seven different head coaches. I don't think

(01:32:41):
that's a feather in your cap, right. I think that
means you've been around a lot of losing yep.

Speaker 4 (01:32:46):
I mean he said it. He's never won a playoff game.
He's you know, I don't know he's played in the
playoff robin.

Speaker 5 (01:32:50):
He's never had a winning season, winning season.

Speaker 3 (01:32:55):
True.

Speaker 5 (01:32:56):
See now Mike will now take part in that because
he's no longer on the page. I don't snap back
at me when I said that Paull texted me.

Speaker 4 (01:33:03):
Paul texted me, they're like saw your fear loss, which
a few people did while I was on Friday sitting
on the beach, just which.

Speaker 10 (01:33:10):
I love how he puts that in there, like I
wasn't even painted.

Speaker 4 (01:33:13):
I'm yeah, But I texted pallback it was all it
was all downhill after he started wearing the Garden Games.

Speaker 3 (01:33:23):
That's when I was out. It's all about fashion produced
Robin in the Caskills. I've heard different opinions about how
Josh is going to use Drake. Will there be designed
runs for him or do they not want him to run?
Do you think he'll run more or less than last year?

Speaker 10 (01:33:38):
I think there will be more runs by design. I
think the goal is to run less overall, but more
runs by design. I think in particular like their low
red zone goal line package. I'm very excited to see
that come.

Speaker 5 (01:33:52):
To life because I agree with everything you just said.

Speaker 10 (01:33:54):
I think there's gonna be some cool bells and whistles
once they get inside the five to punched them in
that Drake will be involved in.

Speaker 4 (01:34:03):
Well, Kim Newton twenty twenty, Well you're getting your next
email ready, Freddie.

Speaker 5 (01:34:06):
I wanted to go back to a couple of emails
ago about the Peppers release and just blame for Elliott Wolf.
No one legitimately believes that Elliot Wolf had anything to
do with releasing Jabrill Peppers, do they.

Speaker 3 (01:34:24):
I mean, I'm sure he was in on the decision,
but it was Rabel's decision.

Speaker 5 (01:34:28):
Right, I mean, if the head coach, I'm sorry if
I'm not being disrespectful to Elliott Wolf, but I think
that's a head coach decision, right.

Speaker 4 (01:34:37):
The GM isn't going to tell the code coach who
doesn't fit in his scheme, right.

Speaker 5 (01:34:40):
Right, even if it's about scheme, not about scheme whatever.
I want to release this guy, and it's not about
the cap. It's not about the cap, it's not about
anything in the future. They decided, you know, I think
Rabel just wants his guys.

Speaker 3 (01:34:53):
Wasn't Travis and West Virginia and Josh McDaniel's twenty fifteen offense,
Deon Lewis was out of a cannon, averaging seven carries
and seven targets per game through the first seven games.
Can Trevion Henderson approach the same volume right away or
will he need to build up to it?

Speaker 5 (01:35:11):
Seven carries. Absolutely can do that. Yeah, I just don't
think he can be between the tackles every down back.

Speaker 10 (01:35:17):
I think he's gonna touch the ball at least fifteen times.

Speaker 5 (01:35:19):
But you want to give him ten to fifteen touches
a game, I think you can. Absolutely.

Speaker 4 (01:35:23):
It's an interesting calm. I mean it's Dean Lewis was
much smaller, but more Yeah, it was different player, but
still just the willingness to give a high volume of carry,
high volume, but a significant volume of carries and touches
to a guy that I mean they caught up with him, right,
I mean he couldn't stay healthy getting hurt.

Speaker 1 (01:35:40):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:35:41):
Yeah, but it was dynamic for.

Speaker 4 (01:35:42):
Us that run against Dallas, remember that one where he
was like just stucking under guys.

Speaker 10 (01:35:49):
Remember, well, different players but similar in times of usage.
I could see that. But Dian Lowis is a pretty
high volume back for them.

Speaker 3 (01:35:59):
Rabels played him over Dereck Henry, who situationally the only
brighter flash with Jonah Derek Henry.

Speaker 12 (01:36:08):
It is what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:36:09):
Remember Jonas Gray for that one game against.

Speaker 5 (01:36:11):
Two hundred yards.

Speaker 4 (01:36:12):
Jonas Gray has been around a lot. We've got no
I don't know, he's a great guy.

Speaker 5 (01:36:17):
Though I can't get but I can't get him out
of my feet.

Speaker 6 (01:36:20):
He's an ambassador, he's a good guy. Yeah, we've gotten
to meet dude, like.

Speaker 4 (01:36:26):
He's always wearing when you guys the hype guys when
seeing him draft draft party stuff, And we did a
draft party with him, and I think that's where we
kind of got to still like a little time in
the in the green room as they call it, Paul
in the in the TV industry, we hang jonas every time.

Speaker 3 (01:36:46):
Those green rooms. You spent a lot of time in
green rooms.

Speaker 4 (01:36:49):
I have Oh yeah, do they have those at the NBC?

Speaker 3 (01:36:51):
Waiting to go on? Is there a green room at
your show's note eight point five On the side, there's
no waiting area.

Speaker 5 (01:37:00):
There's there's different places that you can go, but I've
never been. It's like it's like an office. On one side,
there's a little small area with a couple of computers
where generally the next show kind of congregates. So like
if I'm doing the ten to two show, yes, I'll
sit in this little area I see and there's a

(01:37:21):
couple of computers over there where Tom Morrigan and Tyler Milliken,
the two producers of the ten to two show. They're
on their computers, get stuff ready. But I wouldn't call
it a green room.

Speaker 4 (01:37:30):
Okay, it's pretty cool that works on a big show.

Speaker 5 (01:37:35):
Joseph and Hillsboro, Oregon to ten am yesterday.

Speaker 4 (01:37:38):
I urge you a little different, bringing in different the
pels flowing like five point thirty.

Speaker 5 (01:37:43):
I did have a Celsius for I have my first
ever Celsius.

Speaker 3 (01:37:45):
Got a little bump out of that.

Speaker 5 (01:37:47):
I don't really feel like I did, but really it's
that doesn't taste bad though.

Speaker 3 (01:37:52):
No, but how did you not get a bump out
of that? Because that's like ten times more caffeinated than pei.

Speaker 10 (01:38:01):
Kind of bumper bumper, you know, I didn't energy bump.

Speaker 5 (01:38:04):
I didn't notice anything. But I don't know. So you
know a little bit about Celsius. I did not a
sponsor A little bit. I'm not saying anything.

Speaker 3 (01:38:12):
I think pe Okay.

Speaker 5 (01:38:14):
I just don't want to make I don't want to
get in trouble like so if you have like two
of those, you probably shouldn't. I was gonna say f no,
but no, no, okay, no, That's why I was asking no,
because I I definitely want I definitely wanted another one
because you know, like I usually in shows, I wanted another,
Like I drink a lot of diapesty.

Speaker 3 (01:38:35):
That's the thing about you, though, I forget. You don't
just have one diet pepsi.

Speaker 5 (01:38:39):
You have like ten, I've had two.

Speaker 3 (01:38:42):
You are having a celsius.

Speaker 5 (01:38:43):
I'm not necessarily to do it, but ten that's a stretch.

Speaker 3 (01:38:46):
Well not really.

Speaker 5 (01:38:47):
But I had one celsius and I liked it.

Speaker 12 (01:38:50):
It was good.

Speaker 5 (01:38:50):
Yeah, I didn't notice like I was waiting to feel
like my heart start pounding out of my chest and
my eyes because I don't drink those energy drinks.

Speaker 3 (01:38:58):
Oh yeah, I had the kids all stuff, and I
feel it.

Speaker 4 (01:39:01):
Yeah, I've never I've never had a celsiate my whole life.

Speaker 3 (01:39:04):
That was my first.

Speaker 10 (01:39:05):
You should not have you drink like three things of
a duncan nice coffee, And.

Speaker 5 (01:39:11):
He starts doing a little dance. Yeah no, there's the
gritty in the.

Speaker 3 (01:39:15):
Compet to day for me.

Speaker 4 (01:39:16):
Actually did have a coffin.

Speaker 5 (01:39:17):
Sorry I did.

Speaker 4 (01:39:18):
I stopped the Duncan I did anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:39:20):
Joseph is in Hillsboro, Ore. Again. He says, when our
defense is fully healthy, what eleven do you envision most
consistently being on the field in third and long situations.

Speaker 4 (01:39:30):
They have Barmore, Williams, Chase, Chase On, Chase on Splaine Splaine,
and then yeah, but like who's the who is the six?

Speaker 6 (01:39:39):
Landry Davis, Austin Woodson, Hawkins, Marcustration.

Speaker 4 (01:39:46):
Yeah, yeah, I just like we're talking about these a lot.
I'm not really saying key on White much like I
just I wonder if he's he could be in the
mix for one of those interior ushpots. You know what
I want to bring up, though, is Barmore because he's
been he's been, Like I don't think anyone talks about this.
He's been in and out of practice all summer long.
He's misfund practice. Is he going to step right in

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on Sunday and play eighty percent? I find that guard
to believe. I found it hard to believe.

Speaker 5 (01:40:14):
The almost you almost never do that opening day anyway.

Speaker 4 (01:40:18):
But especially he might have like a third down because
we talked about who's going to start, and I was
looking at Barmore and I'm like, it could be Tonga,
it could be just Tonga and Williams, and then Barmore becomes.

Speaker 5 (01:40:30):
But I'm going to guess Pete Carroll's going to want
to do what Evan says that Josh McDaniels is going
to want to do, and it's going to be feed
Ashton Genty And if that happens, if that's what they
look like they're going to do, Tonga is going to
be in there.

Speaker 1 (01:40:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:40:42):
Maybe the new guys you bring up Pete Carroll, we
haven't really talked about him, the new head coach of
the Raiders. Are the Raiders of well coached team? I mean,
you got Pete Carroll's head coach. You got Chip Kelly, right,
yea coaching their offense.

Speaker 5 (01:40:56):
And Patrick Graham and Patrick Friend.

Speaker 3 (01:40:58):
I know you hate that term, but is that is
that a well coached team? Like on paper?

Speaker 5 (01:41:03):
Shoot?

Speaker 6 (01:41:03):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think so. I mean, it'd be
really interesting to me to see what Chip does. I mean,
it's the first time he's in the NFL in almost
a decade. Twenty sixteen with the Niners is the last time.

Speaker 3 (01:41:16):
But he's been known to be innovative, right he has.

Speaker 6 (01:41:18):
But I actually think that he's gone the other way
because his offenses really weren't NFL conducive. They weren't really
pro style, so you know, they they really slowed down
the pace a lot at Ohio State last year and
went under center more and you know, did a lot
more pro style elements to their offense to try to
win a national championship. So I think that there the

(01:41:41):
offenses that you saw him run like in Philly and
in Oregon, that offense is dead. He's kind of gone
away from that. So what he does is going to
be interesting though. But you know, I think it's a
big unknown about this game. Guys hasn't coached in the
NFL in ten years. You know, It's yeah, it's unknown
for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:41:58):
Ran Idaho. As the beginning of the regular season is
upon us, I'd like to reignite an old argument the
weekly picks need to stay. I love the segment of
the show and enjoy hearing your insight on each matchup.
Might I suggest one thing to make the pick segment
even better? I would love it if you would add
a future to allow listeners to submit their picks and

(01:42:19):
compete with each other as well as with the ball knowers.
Maybe there could be a weekly prize for the fans
with the best picks, and a prize at the end
of the season for the overall winner. I think This
would make it so much fun to be able to
interact in a small way be part of the show. Plus,
I'd love to have bragging rights over fans like Christian
in La James Pettigrew the most interesting Patris fan of

(01:42:42):
the world in Patty and Agawam. But how do you
do that without really slowing it down?

Speaker 10 (01:42:47):
Well, you know, they could submit them online, but I
don't think maybe it's like more like a newsletter thing
that where we could like, yeah, show some of the
picks of the fans. Like, I don't think to your
point it would be too slow to do it on
the show.

Speaker 3 (01:43:01):
I mean there might be something there for some type
of fan engagement.

Speaker 4 (01:43:06):
Yeah, maybe we're the top five fan records, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:43:09):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:43:10):
I don't know if any place does full picks though,
like we do it like where it's you're literally picking
all fourteen sixteen games, and survivor pools are obviously really popular,
but that's a different animal, that's a different sort of thing.

Speaker 3 (01:43:23):
Yeah, so, uh, pat Nagawam a little uh listener on
Listener Crime. Here he says this is for Travis in
West Virginia. Don't ask real football questions because it displays
your intelligence or lack thereof, stick to doing what you
do best, crapping on me the subject matter of the
offseason and being the general malignant turd with incorporeal takes.

Speaker 5 (01:43:49):
In corporeal, Yeah, I don't know that word incorporeal.

Speaker 3 (01:43:53):
I don't know. Anyway, you're smart.

Speaker 5 (01:43:56):
You went to Holy Cross, Mighty Travis.

Speaker 3 (01:43:59):
Does Travis wrap on Patty and Aguamal. I don't even remember.
I don't even remember what his football question was. It
was it that dumb I don't remember. I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:44:12):
I'm still trying to figure out what that word means.

Speaker 3 (01:44:15):
Let's see, Zach, I was literally going to make a
joke that Claudia will be gone halfway through the season.
Two shows, not even one regular season show. That's nuts, Fred,
congratulations to her.

Speaker 4 (01:44:28):
It means not composed of matter, having no material existence.

Speaker 3 (01:44:32):
Okay, that's dark.

Speaker 5 (01:44:36):
I don't hear you unless you knock first.

Speaker 3 (01:44:38):
Darius brings something up that's interesting from Louisville, A little
question observation. While everyone is worried about brock Bauers, my
biggest concern will be asked in genty. The dude looks
like a tank. Deuce can attest to that, and I'm
not sold on our run defense yet. Hopefully we'll be
able to stop the run in fronnel the offense to

(01:44:58):
our defensive strengths quarters in D line. So what's the
deal on genty? What kind of summer did he have?
And should we be worried?

Speaker 6 (01:45:07):
I think it's an interesting like kind of weakness on
weakness in some ways, because I don't know if the
infrastructure's there with the Raiders right now to really have
a great running game in terms of the offensive line
and things like that. So I don't know if they
necessarily have it set up for him quite yet to
be a true you know Derrick Henry, Like, did we

(01:45:29):
got to worry about this guy type of thing the preseasons?

Speaker 3 (01:45:33):
Really?

Speaker 10 (01:45:33):
He can't go off much, but he didn't run the
ball particularly well in the preseason, and they.

Speaker 5 (01:45:37):
Were, to Evan's point, dead last in rushing last year
with a lot of the same offensive linemen. So I
don't know how much better, you know, I don't know.
I don't know how many changes they've made on the
offensive line. I shouldn't say with a lot of.

Speaker 10 (01:45:49):
Them, I'd be more worried about them throwing the ball
to Genta, yeah, than him running it.

Speaker 5 (01:45:53):
But I but I do, I do feel like that's
a sneaky weakness for this Patriots defense just stopping them.

Speaker 1 (01:46:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:46:00):
I think they're a little bit smaller, a little bit
more athletic based, and sometimes those teams can be susceptible
to the run. And gent d breaks tackles.

Speaker 4 (01:46:09):
It's great, that's what he does. It's a great philosophical
question and one that we've talked about a lot where
you had that old heavy defense with the Patriots that
felt like it was built to stop the run, and
consistently they had good run defenses. But you know, is
it going to work that Let's just let them have
some of the run and we know we're going to
challenge the pass. We know we're going to get after
the passer run all four downs, all three downs. They're

(01:46:32):
going to make some plays, they're going to gash us sometimes,
but at the same time, we think we're going to
be aggressive enough in the play to offset those plays.
I just I don't know how it's all going to
come out in the wash. But it's just really interesting
shift in philosophy.

Speaker 5 (01:46:43):
And you guys know how I feel about the running
game in general, if you're a really good running team,
that generally means your offense doesn't score a lot, right, right,
And I know there are exceptions, Okay, I understand. You know,
Baltimore runs the ball really well and they score a
ton of points. I get it. But in general, turn,
if you want to run Ashton genty you know, twenty

(01:47:04):
five plus times, you're probably gonna put the game around
you know, somewhere between fifteen and twenty five. Can you
win a game twenty four to twenty? Sure? Why not?

Speaker 3 (01:47:16):
Well?

Speaker 6 (01:47:16):
I think it also, just like to your point about
running the ball, if you don't have a running quarterback,
if you're a traditional run team, like we're just going
to go under center, the quarterback is going to turn
the ball over to the running back. Like those teams
typically the Paul's pointer are lower scoring. Baltimore does it
because Lamar runs, So like that's a different thing. Buffalo Buffalo,
same thing with Josh Allen. So you know those are

(01:47:38):
I don't think Gino Smith is a true threat. Not
that he's immobile, but I don't think that he's that.

Speaker 4 (01:47:44):
He's everybody's covered. I'm gonna run not right, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:47:47):
He's he runs, you know as the last resort not
Undesigned runs.

Speaker 3 (01:47:52):
Yeah, Eric in Rochester, New York, like every other member
of Patriot's Nation, can't wait for the full slate of
games this Sunday. With that said, wanted to play a
small game, if you will. I'd love for each of
you to predict the two biggest stories coming out of
this Sunday. One Patriots related, one non Patriots related. That's
something you have to kind of think, Oh, man, off

(01:48:12):
the top.

Speaker 4 (01:48:12):
Of your head, what do you what do you what
do you want the what do you want the result
to be?

Speaker 3 (01:48:16):
Yeah? I mean, what's the biggest story? Drake may is.

Speaker 5 (01:48:18):
Poised for a monster sophomore season with that'd be a
great development if that's what we're talking about. Yeah, come
come four oh five, when the three of us are
doing the post game show, that'd be a great development.

Speaker 4 (01:48:30):
They were the past rush was excellent. They were all
over Gino Smith all game one. You couldn't get anything going.

Speaker 5 (01:48:35):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:48:36):
That to me sounds realistic.

Speaker 3 (01:48:38):
But Baltimore.

Speaker 5 (01:48:41):
Has established it, you know, for the league wide one
Baltimore thing plays at Buffalo right, Yep. Baltimore established itself
as the front runner for the Super Bowl with an
impressive Week one win. Yeah, because I think Baltimore stacked.

Speaker 3 (01:48:53):
Yeah, that seems doable. How much of this game with
the Patriots?

Speaker 1 (01:48:58):
What?

Speaker 3 (01:48:59):
Let me put it this way, because we were talking
about the Raiders coaches, We didn't talk about the Raiders owners.
Fill in the blank. We'll know that Tom Brady had
something to do with this game plan.

Speaker 5 (01:49:13):
If blank, Oh, you know Smith the rise with a
funny outfit on that.

Speaker 3 (01:49:25):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:49:25):
Yeah, it's hard to say because like it's not I mean,
I guess maybe he could dissect Josh's like Josh's offense
for the Raiders defensive coaching staff and like reverse engineer things,
but that even feels like a stretch, Like if it
was built, I think that would be different. But like,
I don't know how much he knows what Rabel's really
thinking and doing.

Speaker 3 (01:49:46):
Uh you know.

Speaker 4 (01:49:47):
It was one of my favorite lines from Forest and
Fox Bro was when Rabel was with Brady on the
sidelines and Brady was like, I went a little funny
with this one, and Rabel like, listen, I'm sure you
did that cracked me up so good. That's how funny.
I guess you had to be there. But to me,
let's go watch it.

Speaker 3 (01:50:02):
Those conversations was awkward.

Speaker 4 (01:50:05):
They're well, I just it was funnyhen we were watching
it because we're like, jeez. I was like, Tom's got
some jokes tonight, Like you know, after that inspiration that
you think it came out with.

Speaker 3 (01:50:17):
You don't do that?

Speaker 5 (01:50:17):
It's what I would say, is I know it?

Speaker 10 (01:50:21):
But then the roast style speech was all right.

Speaker 3 (01:50:25):
Let me put my other question a different way. Do
you think Brady is talking to any of the coaches
about the game or is he too busy with Fox
and he's not even I mean, like, what's he going
to tell?

Speaker 4 (01:50:39):
Like how much does he know that they don't know?

Speaker 5 (01:50:40):
I think he could help with the Josh stuff. Like
you Evint said, I just don't know how much he's
invested in I'm like, I know it sounds silly, but
he's a minority owner.

Speaker 3 (01:50:50):
Yeah, but he's a minority owner who's the greatest quarterback,
who really does.

Speaker 5 (01:50:55):
Fox, that's really what his job is. So I don't
really know how much invested he is in the Raiders
right now. I don't know the answer. If he's heavily
invested in the Raiders, I could see him doing what
Evan said. Listen, I've went around that at that offense
a long time. You do these three things and you
can really neutralize it, right. I could see him doing that. Yeah,
I just don't know how much he's involved.

Speaker 4 (01:51:15):
Yeah, I just don't know if that that really exists.

Speaker 3 (01:51:19):
Eric also has a question regarding the Patriots fan clubs.
What happens to a club if the person running it
goes dark. I live in Rochester, New York, and I
was trying for a few weeks to get a hold
of the person who runs the fan club here, only
to find out that they've stopped. Can someone else take
over the club or can there be multiple per city?
I know I've heard other Patriots fans from Rochester right in,

(01:51:41):
so I know we're here. I just want to enjoy
the games with other like minded fans in Western New York.
I mean, you can take it, or you can just
start your own in Rochester. But we need to look
into that because if no one's running that club, we
need to get it out of the registry on pages
dot com. And if you want to start a new
one Rochester, New York.

Speaker 5 (01:52:01):
Just or if he wants to run that one, yeah,
he wants to take over this existing one. Ye, but
is that allowed?

Speaker 3 (01:52:08):
I mean there's members there. I mean I don't know
if there's how the club was run in the past,
like there's elections.

Speaker 10 (01:52:16):
Yeah, I don't know every club runs it's like a timeshare.

Speaker 3 (01:52:20):
Yeah, damn politics always Yeah, Andre says Paul's the best. Secondly,
how many points do you think the team will average
for the season over under twenty five passes and over
under twenty five touchdown passes for Drake may over over that?
And how many points per get play average?

Speaker 5 (01:52:42):
How many points per game five and a half.

Speaker 3 (01:52:47):
Nineteen?

Speaker 5 (01:52:48):
I don't know who I can tell you. Twenty four
point three points per game.

Speaker 3 (01:52:54):
Sounds right, very precise.

Speaker 5 (01:52:57):
I was a friend answer.

Speaker 4 (01:53:00):
I think last year they averaged Oh that's that.

Speaker 3 (01:53:03):
Can't be right.

Speaker 4 (01:53:04):
Honestly, it was like sixteen.

Speaker 10 (01:53:06):
I was gonna say six.

Speaker 5 (01:53:07):
Sixteen, So I'm averaging eight more points per game.

Speaker 4 (01:53:11):
Twenty twenty fourteen points ambitious.

Speaker 3 (01:53:14):
So twenty twenty four they had how much sixteen points
per game? That's terrible.

Speaker 10 (01:53:19):
We know, it's just horrible.

Speaker 5 (01:53:21):
Oh and I know they should have won eight or
nine games, right, Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:53:24):
Yeah, they were done in twenty twenty one. They were
twenty seven point two. That's that's pretty good.

Speaker 10 (01:53:28):
Yeah, twenty twenty one is a good offense.

Speaker 5 (01:53:29):
Yeah, some outliars, Yeah, of course, some couple some or
one hundred and fifty and three games right offense Cleveland
Jacks like that.

Speaker 4 (01:53:39):
I mean, I can see how it's kind of skewed.

Speaker 3 (01:53:42):
David, the Philippines, please stop drinking so much diet soda,
he says. I used to do that until I had
a stroke, never touched the stuff. Since the chemicals they
put in diet soda are worse than sugar for your health.
For all of us who want to continue to hear
your insights for many years to come, please switch to
something better for you. I personally go with water. Now
that's no fun, all.

Speaker 5 (01:54:03):
Right, appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:54:05):
Yeah, a lot of concern for Gonzales. We share that concern,
right do we?

Speaker 5 (01:54:14):
Some of us have had concern for a while.

Speaker 3 (01:54:16):
Yep, Joel and San Antonio. I'll make this short since
we have picks this week and we have to hurry.
Question for Paul, are you familiar with a broadcaster named
Dan Weiss. He's a fellow Northeastern University alum, been working
for the Spurs for a while was just named radio
play by play to succeed the great Bill Shooning, who
retired after the season ended.

Speaker 5 (01:54:39):
Dan Weiss, you know Dan Weiss. I do not know
that name.

Speaker 12 (01:54:43):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:54:43):
No, he got a job without you having a say
in it. You know, from Northeastern.

Speaker 5 (01:54:50):
There's a lot of people that got jobs without me
hearing a saying that. But I don't. I'm not one
of them. I stay here with you, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:54:57):
Loyalty Tim and Boston rights dow. He says, Patriots twenty one,
Raiders seventeen. We'll get into our picks on Thursday, so
that's okay. They can do it. He says, I got
married on Saturday, relation I'm now on my honeymoon, relaxing
with my wife on the Cape.

Speaker 5 (01:55:14):
Nice and you're sending emails into father Fred.

Speaker 3 (01:55:17):
You were number my number one trusted source for restaurant recommendations,
especially in Cape Where can we find the best lobster
roll near Hyanna's? Cy Do you spot Fred near Hyennas
Chowder would be good for Parker's, But if you want
the best lobster roll, it's a little bit of a
hike from Hyanna's. But go down to Falmathery and go

(01:55:40):
to the Raw Bar. They've got the best. Of course,
they've got the best.

Speaker 4 (01:55:45):
What'swear across from Captain Parker's right there on twenty eight.

Speaker 3 (01:55:48):
The Big Boat. Yeah yeah, this guy from g L
Barber his brother in law owns that restaurant.

Speaker 10 (01:55:55):
He owns the restaurant.

Speaker 3 (01:55:57):
Yeah. Interesting, it's either his brother or brother in law
owns the rest it's the river side. They're both famous, right, Yeah,
looks like a big boat restaurant.

Speaker 4 (01:56:07):
There's also the Pirates ship museums there which I would
like to hit. Just recently found out about that.

Speaker 3 (01:56:12):
But lobster roll, I mean there's a lot of good
lobster rolls on the cape, don't get me wrong.

Speaker 4 (01:56:16):
Stuet Harbor, that's uh, that's a famous one great location.

Speaker 3 (01:56:20):
Scargo Cafe.

Speaker 4 (01:56:21):
I went to Scargo Cafe, yeah on Friday.

Speaker 3 (01:56:23):
But this placed the Raw Bar in. It's in the
foul Myth area. It's a little town within I forget
the name. It begins with a P. I think Papaesse. Yeah,
I think it's Papa Esse it but look up the
Raw Bar if you want the lobster role, and they
got steamers. You can't go wrong.

Speaker 5 (01:56:44):
They got the Steamers.

Speaker 3 (01:56:45):
Yeah, you can't go wrong.

Speaker 5 (01:56:47):
That's like like Joe Murray from the Sports Hub, you know,
just ask him like, yeah, I'm way to go on
the Cape now.

Speaker 3 (01:56:54):
Yeah, he knows, he knows north Shore, south Shore, he
knows everything.

Speaker 5 (01:56:58):
He knows literally, any place you could mass, any place
you could bring up, he'll give you at least two.

Speaker 3 (01:57:03):
Yeah, it's amazing. All right, quickly there, He's got a
lot of quickly, a lot of trivia questions for Paul.
I wanted to do it real.

Speaker 5 (01:57:13):
Quick, real quick, and you got Sam On from Easton
on them.

Speaker 3 (01:57:16):
All right, we'll go to we'll go to the phones.
We'll go to the phone.

Speaker 5 (01:57:19):
I want that trivia question too.

Speaker 3 (01:57:20):
Though, Sam's and Easton what's up? Sam?

Speaker 11 (01:57:25):
Hey guys, how's it going?

Speaker 4 (01:57:26):
Sam?

Speaker 11 (01:57:29):
I'm just curious what you guys think the stat line
will be for the Rookie contributors on Sunday. I'm a
season ticket holder and I'll be there in person, so
looking forward to seeing those guys.

Speaker 3 (01:57:39):
Sounds like stat lines for the Rookie contributors.

Speaker 5 (01:57:42):
First we have to pencil in Henderson who contributor?

Speaker 11 (01:57:46):
Yeah, Henderson Williams, And I guess you could throw Chism
in there. If you think he's gonna play, I think.

Speaker 5 (01:57:51):
You'll get nothing.

Speaker 4 (01:57:53):
I won't play.

Speaker 13 (01:57:54):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:57:55):
I hard to see Williams doing anything much. Maybe one
or two catches if you even get ten. I think
Woodson's gonna play a lot. I think Campbell and and
Wilson are going to play a lot.

Speaker 5 (01:58:06):
I just thought we were talking about the school guys Henderson.
What did that guy say earlier, like, you know, ten
to fifteen touches, seven carries, seven targets. I could see
something like that in one game.

Speaker 4 (01:58:17):
True. Yeah, Okay, what about Balis and the long snapper?

Speaker 1 (01:58:20):
He'll have you.

Speaker 5 (01:58:23):
I was thinking we were doing over I'm not sure
he'll be active.

Speaker 3 (01:58:27):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (01:58:28):
Sounded like I don't know to find out more about
the overall health of the roster, but there's gonna be
some guys that are inactive. And you go in five
deep at wide receiver, that might be a spot where
you might get in inactive.

Speaker 10 (01:58:43):
Yeah, I agreed.

Speaker 5 (01:58:44):
Yepism seems like he's still heard. I mean, I know
he's been he's been out there right.

Speaker 4 (01:58:49):
Yeah, but he's scout teaming it up. I think he's
he's he's one of her in actives probably probably.

Speaker 10 (01:58:54):
He doesn't have a role really on special teams, so
other than as.

Speaker 5 (01:58:56):
A back, he's really just a returner.

Speaker 3 (01:58:58):
Yeah, all right, Well we'll be back tomorrow Wednesday, and
it'll be the first day that you have a in
season practice that Evan and Deuce will be attending. Not
to say that we're going to glean a lot from that,
but at least we might be able to get some
attendance going and we'll see who's out there for that.

(01:59:19):
So that'll happen tomorrow. Mike Rabel will have a life
press conference on Patriots dot com tomorrow. When is Catch
twenty two this week?

Speaker 10 (01:59:27):
Tomorrow ten to noon?

Speaker 3 (01:59:29):
So right before tomorrow at ten, is that where you
think you're going to be this season? Beat? A lot
of people are, you know, they're.

Speaker 5 (01:59:35):
All over the place, so the schedule's been all over
the place. In their defense, thank you, they have to
adjust to the actual team.

Speaker 3 (01:59:42):
So, like everybody else, you think you're going to try
for Wednesdays at ten.

Speaker 10 (01:59:45):
That's the goals ten to twelve, you know, eleven fifty
five probably?

Speaker 3 (01:59:50):
Okay, So you'll be on before our show, yes, and
then immediately you're going to go into our show for
a little bit, but I have a lot of FaceTime
for Evan. But then I have to go to have
to lock around and go to practice. So all right,
So we're gonna end the show the way we began
it with that great new song by Jill. We will
see you tomorrow. Room for a loop.

Speaker 7 (02:00:12):
Hey, it's a Brando Hopie you season. Don't looking up
but pause, pretty slim, we haven't tied the Knockduce gott
a dog Bred's trying to find some one to mois
nod and Alex is just reading the stars.

Speaker 2 (02:00:36):
Alex is just reading the stars.

Speaker 8 (02:00:39):
We've got a se house for pretty and close game
shows that's in the booth making everything.

Speaker 2 (02:00:46):
We're all pretty stoked a Bras, Rabel and Meg and
everybody still Hayton no Christian.

Speaker 9 (02:00:52):
Hey, it's a brand Hopie you season the past, give
us something to feelie.

Speaker 2 (02:00:58):
Then we're ready for a great showIn.

Speaker 7 (02:01:01):
It's been too long, And I forget a T shirt.

Speaker 2 (02:01:04):
For writing this song.

Speaker 10 (02:01:08):
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