Patriots Unfiltered 9/24: Panthers Preview, Vrabel Presser, Locker Room/Team Updates

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
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Speaker 3 (00:15):
Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. That was good, and then of
course the ceremony is that all being done with this speech?

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (00:23):
The word I use was like, their explosives aren't explosives.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
So what's the definition of an explosive play? Plus twenty
Now is that in the air or that's a catch? No,
just has to be in the air. No, it's just
a twenty yard play. Okay, Well, I don't know what
the difference is.

Speaker 4 (00:37):
It's not just you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
Now, Well, like if guy breaks five tackles, then in
your definition that becomes an explosive play. If he gets over.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
Twenty yards, yeah, because it's supposed to.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
To me, that's not an explosive play. Okay, anyways, but
I thought it blitz is when they sent an extra guy.
It's not where they send it.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
Yeah, just I'm with you.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
Sometimes guys drop out and then it comes from a safety.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
And that's what that's That's right.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
It doesn't matter where they come from, it's how many come.

Speaker 4 (01:05):
If there's five guys across the line of scrimmage, right,
and then there's five offensive linement.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
Not a blitz.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
If I have a hat on every hat, it's not
a blitz, right, That's what I'm Yeah, but it doesn't
matter where it comes.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
I don't know what they're arguing about.

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Speaker 3 (02:07):
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Speaker 1 (02:11):
Slow play that, Paul.

Speaker 6 (02:12):
Just a quick recap of the first thirty seconds of
the show and then the second thirty seconds of the show.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
To handle that well, perfect, Thanks, Okay, like a pro.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
I'm back. I'm back, all right, So it's Deuce, it's Evan,
it's Paul, it's me. We're here talking Patriots. It's turned
the page Wednesday. We're talking about the Caroline of Panthers.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
Bryce Young, I'm gonna have a hard time with this one, righty, Tua,
you say that's not a terrible comp's yeah, okay.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
More a little more willing to run than Tua maybe
a little bit, yes, okay, but too small, too small
to do so.

Speaker 4 (02:48):
Only throws the middle of the field.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:51):
If you ask him to drive it outside the numbers
or drive it deep, you're you're asking to do things
that he's not great at. He loves to live in
the short game, in the middle of the fie.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
Just like to I, They're like, I don't think it's
about their last five quarters of football pretty remarkable.

Speaker 6 (03:06):
I think they were down twenty seven to three to
the Cardinals and then just started going on long drives
and scoring. Cardinals didn't really seem too interested in playing
after that point, and then they shut out, you know,
last week the Falcons. Evan has some thoughts on on
the Falcons quarterback.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
Could you give your boy some static for.

Speaker 4 (03:26):
That Barth Yeah, oh yeah, your boy Pennix just in
a blender, like like he threw a flat to the flat,
like I just I don't understand that. Like it was,
it was like a really weird game from Atlanta, and
they fired their wide receivers coach after the game.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
The weirdest thing I've seen in all while.

Speaker 4 (03:45):
Because the spacing and the depths of the routes, it
was a mess, Like they their offense was just a mess.
So they fired their wide receivers coach. And now Zach
Robinson is moving from upstairs to downstairs so that he
can talk to Penix directly on the sideline. It's like
Atlanta's like kind of panicking that they lost thirty to
nothing to Carolina and the dreadful. Yeah, and so I'm

(04:08):
not trying to take anything away from the Panthers, but
my point is is that thirty to nothing score is
pretty deceiving. Like Atlanta did a lot of shooting itself
in the foot.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
But I always you know, when a bad team is
playing bad and another team beats them badly, good for
that team to do what you're supposed to do, you know, So.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
I sort of looked at it. I think Atlanta had
a similar kind of game than the Patriots did, only
instead of moving the ball and turning it over, they
just kept finding ways to not turn it over. And
they I think they failed in a couple of fourth downs.
I think they did. They miss a field goal too,
So so you know, the kicking gud Parker Romo was

(04:49):
four for two this week, and I think they had
to pick six in there.

Speaker 4 (04:54):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
But to your point, Fred, like the Patriots had all
those calamities happen, and it's a twenty one to fourteen game,
right the Falcons had all those things happen and lost
thirty to nothing.

Speaker 6 (05:03):
Right, Yeah, right now it feels it feels I think
we said it not a must win in September, but
you've had two fifty wins games. I mean I call
the Raiders game, and you know, and then last weekend
Steel it was kind of the fifty to fifty games.
I considered the Miami game a little bit more Miami.
But this is another fifty fifty going off.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
You're going on the road for three straight weeks after
this one, one of which is Buffalo on a Sunday night. Yeah,
and so you like to go too and two instead
of one and three to me, that's a big difference.

Speaker 4 (05:34):
Because then you're one from being objective, right Buffalo, Right, Yeah,
I mean that's that's the whole. Like, this is a
game that we all thought going into the year that
they would win, and so now you had to take
care of business in these types of games like okay,
you Boston the Steelers, which I think was a coin flip,
but Carolina, Cleveland, New Orleans, like these were the games

(05:58):
when people are talking about eight nine, ten wins. Got
to have them.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeh. Panthers though, I mean I think they
have their issues.

Speaker 6 (06:06):
Derek Brown good up front, I mean, really good people,
but they only have one sack on the year. I mean,
they've got a number of pressures, and so you don't
get too carried away that they're not getting any pressure.
But they have forced turnovers, so secondary is pretty good.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
Mean j C. Horn our old guy Paul that we
we liked a couple of years ago, and I were
very high on him in the draft. Yeah, he's active
out there.

Speaker 6 (06:25):
So they have they have some pieces, but in a
lot of ways, it's very much a reflection of the
kind of team the Patriots are as well. Sam trying
to find its way, and like the boys said, this
is you want to make it out of this kind
of lower level fourth place schedule that you're playing right now.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
These are the games you have to you have to
start to win.

Speaker 6 (06:41):
So I think, especially being at home, after how last
week went and some of the performances, I think this,
you know, could have an opportunity though, to take advantage
of it, get a big win at home, get that
first home win for for Vrabel, and then maybe have
a little bit of confidence and momentum going into Buffalo.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
We know what a challenge that's going to be that game. Yeah, yep.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
So where are we now? Where do you think this
team is in terms of you know, yeah, they have
what it takes to beat the Panthers this week. Are
we in a good place? You know, even despite all
the fumbles?

Speaker 6 (07:14):
I mean I think I think so, But you know,
I just when you make that many mistakes, it's hard
to say.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
Now, they'll be fine this week. They won't turn it over.
You know.

Speaker 6 (07:23):
One thing I would point out that I said to
Paul earlier that you know, we talk a lot about
the penalties, is that the offense only had one penalty
in that game last weekend and they.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
Only had one penalties a team in the second half.

Speaker 6 (07:34):
Was that Carlton Davis call that was I think everybody
agreed was a little bit iffy. So maybe there's some
positive strides there in terms of the penalties, getting down
into crunch time being better in the second half. I
think they were that a little bit more disciplined and
you know, no false starts.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
Those are big problem. You know, We'll give had a
couple of those.

Speaker 6 (07:50):
So maybe I'm looking for some silver linings and some
baby steps. But until they start doing it consistently.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
It's hard to say, oh, yeah, they're not going to
turn it over this week. I mean, it's just you
have to go out there and improve it.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
You mentioned, Uh, they only have one sack on the season.
Who will will Campbell be going up against in particular?

Speaker 4 (08:08):
Yeah, so they they really they drafted to edge rushers
in Day two of the draft that they're trying to
break in. Uh Princely and Nick Corton, who want.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
To doce his guys and I remember that name.

Speaker 4 (08:21):
It has flashed a little bit. Scrton. Princely has their
only sack, but Scoorrton, I think you know, on the
film has flashed a little bit, but they other than that,
they they don't really have a lot that inspires you.
On the defensive line. You know, Derek Brown is a
really good, like run stuffing player, but he's not going
to go up against Will Campbell, so uh.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
It's it's it's more of like a Seymour type defensive end.

Speaker 4 (08:45):
Yeah, he plays like a three four end in the
B gap like type of player, and he's he's awesome,
Like he's one of my favorite players to watch. Ye,
there's not a lot of guys that can like rag
doll people at this level, but that he ragged alls
people and he's a really strong player. But you know,

(09:05):
they don't really have anybody that I would say like
this is the matchup, like you know, well, you know
Watt and her big and you know Crosby and like that.
That's not really they're trying to figure it out right now.
I think with Carolina.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
Okay, so you mentioned the game before last one where
they had, you know, the comeback against the Cardinals. Is
something clicking there, Like it's something like make sure.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
You wonderively I think a little bit, and I'm with Mike,
you know, sometimes you know, I look at those late
comebacks and kind of garbage time until it's not garbage time.
All of a sudden, they get you know, within then
they had the ball at the end, like I think
they got an on side kick, you know, in that
game too, So they clearly Arizona allowed that game to

(09:52):
get closer than they wanted to. But I still kind
of look at that as like way behind, Arizona took
the foot off the gas, they got caught, and ultimately
they couldn't win the game. But then they follow that
up with a pretty good performance, not necessarily great offensive performance,
but to Evan's point, the defense looks like they might
be finding something. They want to run the ball, they

(10:14):
want to be physical, they want to play to the
they want to play some defense. I think they're comfortable
getting in one of those kinds of games. So the
Patriots offense needs to make sure it's not one of
those kinds of games.

Speaker 7 (10:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (10:25):
Yeah, a lot of caters just for Tadian Sanders in
the middle of the field and that comeback, like they
just kept hitting that one over and over again, while
the Cardinals were just kind of playing off coverage and saying,
we just don't want to get beat we're up twenty
seven to three, so maybe there is.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
A little bit of something.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
What about the speed on Carolina because you mentioned the
middle of the field. Well, you know, Miami has a
lot of speed, granted, but they had some success over
the middle of the field. Our linebackers were called out
in that game for the coverage. Is this something that
it could be a matchup in favor of the Panthers
in terms of the middle of the field.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
I don't think the speeds have fact now, I don't
really you know.

Speaker 4 (11:03):
I want to talk a little bit about Tet because
I think he's been really good, but that Tet's their
entire passing game, Like he's a one man show in
the passing game. I mean, Bryce Young threw for one
hundred and twenty yards in the game last week and
they won thirty to nothing.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
So it tells you a little bit.

Speaker 4 (11:19):
Yeah, Like right now, the one consistent threat in the
passing game that they have is Tet, and Tet looks
really good. I'm not going to say, you know, not
going to crown him yet, but he looks like his skills,
you know, fluidity, body control, yards after the catch, like
all that seems to be translating to the NFL level

(11:40):
for him. It was kind of fun watching him honestly,
Like he's he's a playmaker, but he's by himself right now.
So if you can take him out of the game,
I don't really know where else the Panthers go. They
really like Jalen Cocher, he's on injured reserve. He's not
going to play in this case, So I just don't
really nowhere else they go besides Ted.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
If just to illustrate the numbers, Ted has two hundred
and sixteen yards receiving. The next guy is Sanders, the
tight end that Mike mentioned with ninety two. So I
mean he has fourteen catches. You know it's eleven. You
know Hunter Renfro back after a couple of years out
of the league. He made some place in that game.
But you know he's averaging less than six yards a catch. Yeah, Like,

(12:25):
there's not a lot of speed that is gonna necessarily.

Speaker 4 (12:30):
And Ted's not a speed guy.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
No, he's more of a size.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
I mean, we kind of alluded to it last week
when we were wondering if Gonza was going to be
back for the Steelers, and I think one of our
emailers said you know, well, maybe you know, the Panthers
are a better game for him to break break back in.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
Yeah, he's getting back out there, and I do you
agree with that?

Speaker 3 (12:51):
Is this a good game for Gonzo to get his
feet wet again?

Speaker 4 (12:54):
I mean in terms of like the fact that they
might have the worst receiving corner league.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I understore it's not mine.

Speaker 4 (13:02):
I understand that Dad's glass houses a little bit, but like.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
It's, oh, this is a core that's not as good
as the Patriots.

Speaker 4 (13:07):
I agree. I mean I would say it leads to
depth isn't as good, Like the Patriots might not have
a Ted McMillan, but they're one through five is I
think more filled out than the Panthers. So the Panthers
are in a similar spot as the Patriots. They they
have a young quarterback and they're still trying to find
weapons to put around the young quarterback and they haven't
really been able to. Like Xavier Laget's been a bust

(13:30):
so far, thirty second overall pick two years ago, and
then they drafted ten eighth overall in this last draft.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
So I just want to read try and I want
to read Xavier gets Yeah. Season ste you do it
in a Louisiana accident. He has he has four catches
on the season, right, and you might say, like at all,
so he hasn't really got to for eight yards.

Speaker 4 (13:49):
Yeah, he's been tough. Yeah, it's been a rough start
for him.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
Four catches for eight yards. That means they can't get
the ball to him at all, and they're just throwing screens.
One of them was for seven. Yeah, how many targets
is yet? Because there were no don't don't say so
you know they don't have on the they were just.

Speaker 6 (14:03):
There were at least two or three times in watching
some of them that it just felt like different page.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
They're on different pages. So your point, he has a
long of nine weird screens. Yeah, yeah, it's just didn't
they they can't get the ball to him, so they're
just going out of their way. So we got to
get the ball.

Speaker 4 (14:20):
Because he just doesn't really run routes very well. So
he's a you know, Levisca Shenault like poor Man's Deebo Samuel,
Like that's kind of like his His game is like
yards after the catch and tough and physical and all
that kind of stuff, and it just it hasn't necessarily translated,
so h it. I think that their offense on paper

(14:44):
is worse than the Patriots all.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
I don't think there's any question quite a bit it does.

Speaker 6 (14:48):
I mean, just Bryce Young size all brought up on
the on the TV show, just stands out how small
he is.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
It's hard.

Speaker 6 (14:55):
It's hard for him to figure out, you know, how
to navigate over those big players. And just mentioned to
you know, Chewba Hubbard's pretty good player hasn't been great,
but him and Rico Dowdell, they're they're two primary backs,
and you know, I look at Sanders and Tommy Trumble
the tight ends is maybe they do. Try to target
some of those easy throws for Bryce Young in the
middle of the field, make things easy. Try to target
the Patriots linebackers who haven't been great.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
That might be one to proach. I want to save
Evan a little bit of anguish this week, and like
it's probably not a week you want to come out
with like two deep safeties with like no bulk up front,
you know, time tanga on the sideline and two deep
safeties to allow you but Hubbard to get off to
a decent start, because that's what that's where Carolina wants
to do.

Speaker 4 (15:37):
Apparently it's really THEO and Aaron Rodgers is a front
runner for MVP.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
He said, I wanted to say this.

Speaker 4 (15:43):
Sorry, sorry sorry.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
So like Bryce Young, and I do think he shows
some flashes of kind of getting it. But again, numbers,
I know don't always tell the story. But Drake May
has thrown for almost two hundred more yards than Bright
Young in fewer attempts. So he's not being able to,
as Evan said, push the ball outside. He's not being

(16:06):
able to get the ball downfield. It's tight ends, it's backs,
and Ted who is I mean, that's a good solid
start for him. Fourteen for two sixteen, that's good. That's
a good solid weapon. I got to think, between Carlton
Davis and hopefully Christian Gonzales, you should be able to
contain him when he's the only option they really have.

(16:27):
So this comes down to make sure that they can't
run the ball and stay in short yarded situations, and
you should have a pretty successful defensive day.

Speaker 4 (16:34):
Agreed. Yeah, Ted Teed's really good, but they have the
corners to match up with Ted. They should, at least
on paper. And I just with Bryce Young, I think
the biggest thing to me is on the good side.
You know, he does process pretty well, like he's pretty
quick through his progressions and sees the field pretty well,
but he just doesn't have the arm talent to push
the ball down the field. So if you know, he's

(16:57):
one for six on throws over twenty yards so far
this season, and the one was a jump ball that
Ted bailed him out on. So it just isn't a
downfield passing game. You know, they don't really have that option.
So I just, like Paul said, like you should be
able to shut down this offense, like this should be

(17:18):
a good day for the Patriots defense.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
Okay, all right, so today a lot of optimism, Freddie. Yeah,
this show, we'll.

Speaker 3 (17:25):
Be going to Mike Rabel's press conference live at about
twelve fifty five, Evan and Duce will be heading to
the locker room, and then Evan will be going out
to practice today. We'll get our first practice participation report
today by around four o'clock. We'll see who got dinged
up in the last game. Yeah, the status of some

(17:45):
other lingering injuries.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
Like the last couple of weeks we've gone out there
and it's all been about Gonzales. But there's been like
Morgan Moses or you know, who's the only one that
had foot chase on or who had the chase on.

Speaker 4 (18:02):
That hasn't been.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
No, he's a matter of fact, it's been no issue
at all. He's played great. I think Landry has been
really active, but everybody's focusing on Gonzales. Is he back?
Is he back?

Speaker 3 (18:13):
Is he back?

Speaker 1 (18:14):
Yeah? There's guys, like Fred said, that probably got nicked
up in the game that we don't really know about. Yeah,
a couple of hopefully Hunter Henry is not one of those,
because he did get nicked up and.

Speaker 6 (18:24):
Yeah, and he did speak on on Monday. But a
couple of practice squad guys got claim. Mark Robinson, who
they had elevated, was grabbed by the Jets. I thought
maybe he might be a candidate to get promoted. I
think he retweeted Griese saying, maybe it's an option to
have to buy. But then there Munford Junior also got
grabbed by the Browns. I believe who was their fifth tackle.

(18:48):
I think fifth tackle on the team is.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
A practice squad. So Patriots practice squad has some openings now.

Speaker 4 (18:55):
And have an opening on the roster also still have
an opening. Robin was because they he's out of elevations.
So I thought Robinson was a candidate to get that
open roster spot. So I was a little surprised, and
I wonder, like did they did they offer him a contract,
and like when the Jets came calling, like yeah, it sounds.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
Like they could have you know, they had the spot
to do it.

Speaker 6 (19:18):
Yeah, But I am I am I crazy though to
be intrigued by Jelani Tobai and how he might fit
into this defense a little bit.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
If he were to come back next week, I think
he will be in that spot. I don't know how
quickly that bat'll happen, but to illustrate Mike's point, he'll
be eligible after this game. So he had to miss
at least the first four games, so he'll he'll be
eligible to return from IR heading into next week. So
the Buffalo game.

Speaker 6 (19:41):
Interesting player, I mean, I'd say, yeah, I would think
he'd be in the mix. You know, in early in
OTAs when we saw him. I mean, he wasn't around
very long the spring before. I believe he re injured
his calfolic during during mini camp, but he was out
there and next to Spolene and stuff, and I just
you know, Spalein and Ellis kind of look like the
same body type. Is versatility, play a little bit on

(20:01):
the edge too, Does that add a new twist? I mean,
I'm not I don't want to make out Jolanne Toby
to be the savior, but I think when he was
in the right role in the Patriots defense, he played
played really well.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
He had some stretches of really good play.

Speaker 6 (20:11):
I just like his size and ability to you know,
I'm not sitting here saying the run defense needs size,
but you know, I think he gives them a little
bit of a different option than than Ellis does. So
I'm really curious how that all plays out.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
Once it's a better player than that.

Speaker 4 (20:25):
Yeah, it's been a weak spot for them for the
first three games. I mean, Splain had a nice bounce
back last week, but you can't look at Christian. I
mean Christian Let's got benched on Sunday. So obviously Devai
is gonna have some opportunities and uh, you know, could
be a better answer next to Splaine than Ellis. So yeah,
I don't think it's weird to bring it up. And
he was in the locker room last week when we

(20:47):
were in there, which usually is a sign that maybe
you know he's around and he's you know, starting to
ramp it up maybe, so you know, like Paul said,
he's one week away but could be back.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
But it was interesting too.

Speaker 6 (21:00):
Sorry for one more thing was just the cornerback just
traded from Tennessee to the Jets and reports that the
Patriots weren't on that as well.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
Just thought that was interesting.

Speaker 6 (21:08):
With Alex Austin last week similarly getting benched, how do
they feel about Charles Woods?

Speaker 1 (21:15):
Is he going to be back in this week? Well,
and then you look and they're clearly they're not thrilled
with their depth at that spot, you know, like you had.
DJ James had some snaps in the opener and evidently
those didn't go too well because he ended up getting
released shortly thereafter. Right, So now Austin is in there,
he loses some playing time. Charles Woods they just claimed

(21:37):
off waivers at the start of the season. Now he's
in a role. So you know, he lost Marcellus Dio,
who might have represented some depth. I know he would
have been a special teams guy for them, but he
might have represented some depth in the secondary. They lost him,
so they're still searching there for, you know, the secondary spots.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
Franklin and Baltimore writes in at Podcasts at Patriots dot Com.
He says, I'd be cautious about downplaying the Panthers defense,
particularly their secondary. Even taking away what they did to Penix,
they pretty much shut down at both Arizona and Jacksonville
and aren't a defense susceptible to big passing plays. The
best way to attack them has been through the running game,

(22:15):
where they ranked near the bottom of the league. So
we'll see if that's the route Josh goes in terms
of game planning, but so far the Panthers have proven
to be a difficult group to pass against. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (22:25):
No, I'm not taking the Panthers defense.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
Likely, not downplaying the defense at all. I think that's
the strength of the team. Now, I would say that
Jacksonville had twenty six, Arizona had twenty seven. If you
can sign me up for that now, I'll take that
and be comfortable that the Patriots will win the game
if they can get to the mid to upper twenty. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (22:43):
The Cardinals game was sneaky though, because I remember watching
the Cardinals game back and thinking that was actually like
a pretty good performance by the Panthers defense. I thought
there was a lot of things that they did in
that game that were pretty good. But then you look
up and they still gave up twenty seven points, so
it wasn't perfect.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
They don't get a lot of help from the offense.
Although he's just looking at the numbers, like they're better
on third down defensively, then like offenses thirty nine percent,
they only allow thirty eight percent. You know, their defense,
So their defense has played well and that they'll probably
show up and try to keep them in the game
on Sunday.

Speaker 4 (23:17):
Yeah, their defensive coordinator, Everro is kind of like a
hot up and coming coach candidate.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (23:24):
He's a good schemer and has gotten some head coach
interviews already in some of the last couple of cycles.
So it's a name that that's come up a few times.
And he was he.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
Around here summer to ago, like checking out practice with Bill.
I might be thinking of somebody else. Maybe I never
heard that name in my life. I'm just looking at
right now, Zero, I've never heard that name.

Speaker 4 (23:46):
Yeah, he's uh, he's he's maybe he's good. I like
what they do. They they disguise pressure Fred, they don't.
They don't blitz, they disguise.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
They don't do the red Dog, Yeah, red Dog.

Speaker 3 (23:58):
They play a.

Speaker 1 (23:59):
Lot of ZP get the red ass the red Dog. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (24:02):
But they change it up post snap, you know, they
changed the picture and they blitz from different places. And
they haven't. They have basically no pass rush, so they
he's kind of has to scheme it up and generate pressure,
and I think he's pretty good.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
Okay, Jacket and Abba writes in for the five Panthers below,
each member of the PEU team must declare whether he's
a stutter of stiff. It must be one of the other,
no middle ground. So stutter stiff, Bryce Young, Yeah, Hunter,
Renfro Stiff, shove a Hubbard.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
Stud stiff, if I have to say one or the other, Yeah,
stud stiff. Playing to Shawn Wharton, who I don't know.
I'm gonna say stiff, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
Finally, J C.

Speaker 4 (24:45):
Horn, he's a I think he might be their best player.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
Brown, maybe Ted eventually.

Speaker 3 (24:54):
Okay, all right, anything else we need to talk about
Panthers or Patriots or NFL before we really open it
up to listeners and remind.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
Us that, and you know, they all talked about it.
I think the email had talked, don't sleep on the defense,
and yeah, that the running game. This is a week
that I know everybody said it last week about Pittsburgh
and I was sort of skeptical because Pittsburgh's reputation is
not being that soft against the run, and I think
that we saw that that was kind of circumstantial. They

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were much better against the run against the Patriots. This
is a Tania allow in almost five and a half
a carry through three games. So you should be able
to run the ball against this team and maybe if
that secondary is as good as as we're talking about,
that's a good way to move the ball and score
points this week and it has gone to it. Yeah,

(25:48):
just hold on to it is right now. That also
takes it if you want to run the ball, the
other kid who's going to run it?

Speaker 3 (25:56):
Well, I mean that's why I was going to run it.
Twelve fifty five is much must watch, uh video because
I'm sure your people will be asking Mike V what
are you going to do about Remandre and you know,
even Drake to but.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
He'll answer it. I mean he was asked about it
on Monday.

Speaker 3 (26:19):
Right, and he said, I only have twenty minutes.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
No, that was Sunday. Yea said that he was asked
about it on Monday and it was like, we got
to protect the guy with the ball, which is his
big answer. We're going to practice the crap out of it,
and you have to focus as much as you know
the guys around and protect the guy with the ball,
whether that be the.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
Quarterback, who's the who's going to have the ball.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if he's going
to answer that, but yeah, that'd be interesting to see
if because he has been sort of forthcoming at times, right, right,
So normally I would say, well, he's not going to
tell you, Fred, but I'm not going to say that
now you don't know because you don't know Mike is
that's a wild card.

Speaker 6 (26:51):
That's why I have to watch every Friday gets up.
He's like questionable, questionable, questionable.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
So refreshing answer that's so refreshing.

Speaker 4 (26:59):
So they have guys that are limited in practice during
the week a lot, and then we get to Friday
and like they might have ten guys on the injury
report today and it's like, yeah, the only guys that
have designations. Are these two dudes, Yeah, like you know,
and it's like so they're like kind of manage injuries,
I think on Wednesdays and Thursdays and Fridays. But then
when we get to it, it's like, yeah, you know,

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Gonzo questionable, west Over questionable. Everybody else is fine.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
Curtis and Saint Louis writes in a couple questions after
three weeks, what would you say is our biggest need
position wise? My concern for Moses durability is growing, as
you've discussed since his signing. What is our best option
if he misses significant time?

Speaker 4 (27:40):
Marcus Bryant would be there, the top backup at right tackle.
But I it's only three weeks in and we'll have
six months to talk about the draft. But like looking ahead,
because I I'll tend to do me too, uh, skill positions, Like,
I really think that you've done enough. We get to
the end of the season and we think that Wilson

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and Campbell can play. I think you've done enough in
the trenches that getting Drake a true number one, top
flight receiver has got to be the number one.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
Yea, even if you have like there was a call
that we had that had a doomsday scenario, I think
of having those two linemen slide inside. Even if that happens,
I still wouldn't advocate taking a tackle in the first round.
I'm with Evan, they need the last two games weapons,
their last two full games. Their wide receivers have not
combined for one hundred yards. You know, the first game,

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obviously you got the good, good performance by Booty. Since then,
I think they had five different receivers catch the ball
and they didn't combine for one hundred yards in either game.
They need, they need some help and the production. They
got to be better because it's hard to just throw
the ball to tight ends in running backs, and especially

(28:57):
when you're not running the ball all that well, they
got to find a way to get more guys involved
in bigger plays.

Speaker 3 (29:03):
Lastly, Evan, I'm lockstep with you as it comes to
the Josh McDaniels is doing and what we are seeing
and getting out of digs. I do have a very
small concern that if he does not get more involved,
he may start checking out and the frustration set in.
I think they need to scheme him up for a
few plays in the end zone. Get the guy a
few touchdowns to help keep him motivated and positive.

Speaker 4 (29:25):
Yeah, I think that's fair. I mean, we talked a
lot about Josh McDaniels and what they're doing schematically, and
Paul just kind of mentioned it, like they're really running
the offense with the tight ends and the running backs,
and they're getting everything out of it that they possibly can.
And I think it's it's three weeks and you know,
one of the concerns I brought up is like, all right,
in December and January, when everybody kind of figures out

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what you're doing, Like do you have a secondary pitch
that you can go to that is a compliment to
some of the things that they started doing in September.
But I give Josh a lot of credit for like
Hunter Henry and roman Ry Stevenson are basically the focal
points of this offense right now, and they're they're moving
the ball by orchestrating everything around those two guys. And

(30:10):
I'm not trying to throw shots at them, but like
that's it's not exactly you know, Sekwon Barkley and you
know George Kittle right, like a right, I can't think
of it, No.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
I get it, and I've been with it. Mike and
I have been talking about this, you know, a lot
in the bullpen. It's, you know, so they want to
be you know, they're not saying they want to They
have been relying on twelve personnel a lot, and it's
and it's worked, and I saw a great thing with
Dane Rolovski yesterday talking about that. But I think that
one of the advantages you get from that is it

(30:44):
really allows you to sort of dictate what the defense
is going to do. If the defense wants to play bass,
you you know, you maybe you do some different things
and create some matchups with your tight ends on linebackers.
If they want to go nickel, then obviously you just
power up and run it at them. They're not run
the ball well enough right now to take advantage of those.
So at some point, to Evan's point, if you continue

(31:06):
to do this twelve personnel and teams are going to
adjust to it, At what point does it the opposition say, well,
if they want to run, I'm just gonna let him run.
I'm going to make sure I keep you know, some
coverage out here and not allow Hunter Henry to get
five catches for ninety yards or whatever it.

Speaker 4 (31:22):
Was ninety eight, they had some good Gibson had some
good first down runs on duo, you know, running behind
the double teams in the last game. But your larger
point is right, and you know, the big matchups, like
they came out in twelve personnel with the tight end
in the backfield and the split back, and they ran
a play for eighteen yards on a wheel to Hunter

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Henry where they got the Steelers in base defense, and
then they got them in base with the twelve with
the two tight ends, and then they spread the field
and they had Hunter Henry on a linebacker and they
actually had Mac Collins with Jabriel Pepper's on him in
the slot on a deep crossing route. And like, those
are the types of matchup that that formation and that

(32:02):
personnel grouping can present if defenses have to play bass
at against you in twelve. You know, the Detroit Lions
right now are probably doing this on steroids. Like they're
the ones that are kind of the bells of the
ball in this regard. But you know, to Paul's point,
like if you put three corner nickel out there and
you're only giving up three and a half four yards
of carry, then you kind of live with that, and

(32:23):
then you don't have the matchups of Henry on a linebacker,
a receiver on a safety, and like that's that's the
schemed open things that Josh is kind of creating right
now with those formations.

Speaker 6 (32:33):
Yeah, that was exactly what me and Paul were talking
about this morning, and it starts with cleaning up the mistakes.
But cleaning up the mistakes isn't going to be enough,
especially as you said, like getting later into the season.
We talked a little about the twenty one season where
it came out Mac was kind of dealing and then yeah,
after the buye it seemed like they had kind of
figured him out.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
Was that a Mac thing? Was that a Josh thing?

Speaker 6 (32:52):
Was that another instance of just you don't have a
second punch that emerges, You don't have those wide receivers emerging.
So yeah, I agree with with what you guys are saying.
Those They got to find a way to get production
and whether it's given Kyle Williams more of an opportunity,
seeing a little bit more digs, giving Chisholm a chance, eventually,
I think they got to continue to push those buttons
and try to find a way to just see some

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chemistry with Drake I think will be good.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
And that's why I am encouraged, because I do feel
like in twenty one it was kind of smoke and mirrors.
I don't think the offense was as good as the
numbers suggested, but I do think that largely I felt
that way because I thought there was limitations with the
quarterback that I do not feel exist.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
Now.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
There are no limitations with your quarterback. In my view,
I think he's capable of doing anything that Josh McDaniels
could possibly want, just a matter of getting I think
more playmakers in here to help them out. Yeah, I
totally agree with that.

Speaker 6 (33:44):
I was thinking about the same thing last night, and
it's just it's hard to not think about that position.
I would also, I would just throw in a couple
other spots though, of like, you know, Austin Hooper's going
to be up, he's been really solid, But do you
look at some of these young tight ends.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
Maybe amid day two selection gets a guy with a
little bit of.

Speaker 6 (33:59):
Ju in that spot. And then on the defensive side,
I think Chase On's up. You need a young edge.
Talked a lot about that. Who's going to be next
to displaying long term for the next couple of years.
I'd look there, and i'd also look at the safety spot.
I think that's really a critical position in this defense
that I'm not sure they quite have the personality just yet.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
I want to start off this is an email. I
want to start off as saying I'm not the same
net Nate in Connecticut that's been calling you regularly for
a few months. Well, then, Nate and Connecticut, you're gonna
have to come up with a different name, like Nate
two in Connecticut or Nate Squared or something.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
Anyway, I've been listening to your show since six o seven, nice,
and I've even emailed a few times. I wanted to
say I agree with Fred and Evan. There is something
about the Patriots this year that makes me so encourage
for the future. It seems like a different team. I
just hope they can stop shooting themselves in the foot
multiple times a game. And I kind of agree with
Fred at blitz should be when a team is rushing

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more players than there are blockers.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
Well, there you go. I like this Nate in Connecticut
that I'd.

Speaker 4 (34:58):
Like to get like David Ane in here to talk
about Mike points and protections and if you're sliding this
way and then they bring them.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
Okay, well maybe maybe if you overload a side that's
a blitz, maybe we could agree there.

Speaker 4 (35:16):
Yes, okay maybe, but it.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
Doesn't matter such a philosophical discussion.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
I just remember Bill Belichick saying that that it's when
you have more people than you can block.

Speaker 4 (35:28):
Yeah, he was big on I remember specifically, the five
man rushes are not blitzeres to him, like when you
have five guys on the line of scrimmage that all rush.
He did not consider that, Like that's a to him,
that's like an old school three four right, Like that's
not you're not rushing, you're not blitzing there. But I digress, all.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
Right, whatever?

Speaker 3 (35:50):
Uh. Jeremiah writes and Paul and Evan have been saying
what I've been advocating for after the whole thing with
Pop last game, which is put digs in the slot.
The slot is too big of a position in this
offense to not have them on the same page with
the quarterback. I wouldn't want to cut Pop out of
the offense entirely, just decreases snaps and make up for
lost speed in the offense by using Williams and Henderson more.

Speaker 4 (36:14):
I think it's time to see a little Kyle Williams.
I agree with that. I like that even if it's
just a limited routree where he's just basically running like
posting go routes and deep crossers and things like, he
doesn't have to reinvent the wheel. But what the very
little that we've seen of him, I actually have liked
all of the routes that he has run. I think
he's gotten open. I think he's caught the ball when

(36:36):
it's thrown his way. So I think it's time to
see a little bit of Kyle Williams because he just
he might be just a more complete like traditional receiver
compared to Pop, where a Pop I think is probably
a gadget player that on this team is being used
as a full time receiver.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
Snaps have gone down, yeah, especially in Miami. But even
in this game, he didn't play as much as did
in the first game. Right that. I don't have the
exact numbers. It's one of those that I get in trouble.

Speaker 4 (37:04):
I'll John Gruden he played a little bit more in
this one.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
He played more this one than he did in Miami,
but I don't think I think he played more in
the Raiders than he did neither of the other two.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
Probably all right, eight five to five Pats five hundred
is the hot line, as you can see on the screen.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
Hot line.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
Let's go to the phones. We'll start with our friend
Christian in La. What's up? Christian nine snawy you guys good?

Speaker 8 (37:29):
It's pay Hello, Paul, how you been my cranky brother?

Speaker 1 (37:32):
Hey? How are you hey?

Speaker 9 (37:33):
So I'm thinking that if we were to play exactly
like we played last week, minus the the turnovers, I
think we win this game going away. You're right that
Bryce Young seems to be sort of one trick pony
as far as where he wants to go with the
ball and legit as the bus. So if we take
away the middle, which I think we have the talent too,

(37:55):
I don't think the game is going to be as
difficult as this point of making it out deep. I
think we really have coalesced, at least in the idea
of how we want to play the game. So I'm
happy about that. My real question for you guys is this,
speaking of the turnovers last week and going to have
those backs, if you guys could go back in your
entire sports career and play one game over, just to.

Speaker 10 (38:17):
Do over game.

Speaker 9 (38:18):
What game would it be and what thing would you
do that would either or undo that could have changed
the outcome of that game. Okay, I'll take it up
the air.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
This is our personal sports career that we're talking about here.

Speaker 4 (38:32):
I don't, I mean I do.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
I do.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
But you look at a third strike and a bay
Ruth All. I'm sure I'd like to have that one back.

Speaker 6 (38:41):
I definitely have one, But I feel like if I
changed the result of that game, it would have altered
my whole trajectory and Lily, So I don't think I
could do it, but it would. If I had to
pick one, it would have been my junior year first
state playoff game where we played Charlestown and they had
a kid playing goalie who had never played goal before
because their goalie got hurt, and we some how lost
to the team three to two, And I probably should

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have had at least three goals, but I just.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
Didn't couldn't score, which was the theme of my career anyway.

Speaker 6 (39:06):
But but if I could go back and score those goals,
we should have beaten that you lost to Charlestowns in hockey.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
So that's why it's the one game I would go
back and change.

Speaker 6 (39:13):
That's but it was not just Charlestown, but with a
kid playing goal who hadn't played goal.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
That must be a hero.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
That oh man, they lost the next round. It was.
It was terrible. But that Charlie Coyle. There was no
one in there. They're probably all there was. There is
some of them are from Charlestown, but they don't play
for Charles.

Speaker 4 (39:34):
That's who it was.

Speaker 6 (39:36):
Yeah, but have we won that game, then I probably
wouldn't end up leaving that school.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
And I think like that loss was the big reason
I lost.

Speaker 4 (39:42):
So wow, it all worked out.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
It all worked out.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
That's why I wouldn't change it. But it was like
you played a lot of games. Sometimes came through at
the end. Sometimes I didn't let it go. I remember
misplaying a fly ball with two outs in the last
inning and allowed the tying and winning go ahead runs
to score. In the last inning of a senior baby
rooth game, I caught my spike. I told the story,
and I caught my spike and my stirrup and as
I was walking back, drifting back tripped over myself, made

(40:08):
a fool of myself. There were girls there. Very traumatic,
very traumatic.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
His Italian horn hit in the eye.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
It's like seventeen. It was very embarrassing. I was too
old to just be able to you know, fluff off
a bad error, you know.

Speaker 6 (40:30):
Speaking of that was we had a funny interaction we
were I was talking with Kellen, our camera guy in
the locker room on Monday, and we were talking about Scatibo,
who you know, had a really fun game, and right
as Tommy DaVita was walking bys, funny they got they
got a mic up scatter bow, and DeVito just kind
of stopped and turned and was like, could never do it,
could never do it.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
They could never do that. It's funny.

Speaker 3 (40:53):
Sean, Deshaun and Virginia, what's up, good, Sean.

Speaker 10 (41:01):
I want to look through what the first person said
in their email and basically about to lose to I
was about to lose to you guys. Well as far
as like I don't think that you can basically overlook
any team on this schedule when it comes as far
as what the Pats should be able to do, or
with what the Fats to be able to do, or
what they should not be able to do until because
the offense lacks so much explosiveness or whatever. Like, when

(41:23):
you have to work so hard to move the ball
to score, to try to score points, it makes itself
a lot more prone for turnovers. Yeah, if anybody expects,
you know, the just to roll in a lot of
these games or whatever or even have a chance of
you know, pulling these games out, you got to be
able to score. That's the bottom line.

Speaker 3 (41:40):
Yeah, where the team? Where the team that Bill Belichick said,
We're going to make them march down the field because
I think they're going to make a mistake. Yeah, you
know where that team right now?

Speaker 1 (41:50):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 10 (41:52):
So you have to do that two league times. It
makes you a lot more prone for mistakes, you know.
And then when people talk about also while we're I
want to touch on two with Stevenson, Stevens said fumble not
only with Bill Bulatech, but he also has done it
with Mayo and now he's doing it with Brave. So
when people talk them, oh yeah, you can try to
coach it out, you can't. It depends on like I said,

(42:14):
it depends on the player. The player's got to be
able to make shore that he fought getting the gym
and improve his grips strains telling on to the ball. Yeah,
coach that that's just the bottom line.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
Yep, thanks Sean to that point.

Speaker 3 (42:27):
Angelo in New York, right, Sin, he went in looked
at Stevenson in college. Cerrito College, he had three fumbles
two hundred and twenty two carries, one every seventy four.
At Oklahoma he had three four one hundred and sixty five,
one ever fifty one every fifty five carries, and so
far in his NFL career as a fumble every sixty carries.
The NFL running back average is one every ninety three.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (42:52):
Well, he also didn't really have fumbling issues early on
in his career. This is really like a two year thing.
I mean going back to last season. You know, it
didn't really have a ton of fumbles in twenty one
or twenty two. I mean, maybe a couple, but it wasn't.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
He fumbled in his first game and then Bill put
him on the bench for a month. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (43:09):
Yeah, it's a really hard spot for them to be in.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
And yeah, I didn't. So I did see something with
Devin mccordy which I thought was interesting and I think
he was talking with Florio on Derrick Henry specifically with
his fumbling issue, who, by the way, is fumbled. Sorry,
Mike fumbled once in each of the first three games.
Docking largely cost his team two of those games with

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those fumbles. Dev was talking about the elbow being too low,
and he understands that not everybody's going to do the
tiki barber, you know, like the high and tight. But
he said, when the elbow is low like that, it
just exposes so much of the ball. And he goes
the defensive backs are just looking at that as an

(43:54):
invitation to come in with a punch, and he sort
of demonstrated how you could change that angle a little
bit and give much less to to get at. And
he was talking again about Derek Henry, not about Rimondre Stevenson.
But I think that if you looked at it, there's
some similarities there. I thought both of those fumbles were
really weak fumbles for Stevenson on Sunday. Actually the one, yeah,

(44:16):
it was just kind of like someone touched the ball.
It wasn't a punch or anything.

Speaker 4 (44:20):
I hope him just like had his hand on the
ball when he was tackling him. The second one, Cam Hayward,
I think might have got a hand in there and
punched at it. But I think that that's all valid
points like from Devin. Obviously it's good analysis, but like,
don't you think that these things have already been.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
That's what's about, That's what's frustrating. This has been such
a huge issue too. Yeah, all we talked about last year.

Speaker 4 (44:42):
And then he also said that in the off season
he was working with weighted footballs to like work on
his like grip strength and the you know, the forearm
strength while he was carrying the ball to so.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
Did just figure out how that would help? Like, what
about a lighter football? This is all, well, it's.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
Just having more weight, just build up a bit.

Speaker 6 (45:03):
I would make like a light, slippery football that was
like really hard to hold my point.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
Made out of helium.

Speaker 4 (45:09):
He's tried like a lot of these things, and he
keeps putting the ball on the ground. So it's just
that's a demoralizing part is that it's not like he
hasn't been coached on it. They're trying, you.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
Know what Caroline is talking about this week, same thing.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
Well, Kevin writes in and he's in mass somewhere he said,
if you check out Remandre Stevenson unmockable mock draft table
dot com, you find that he's in the twentieth percentile
for running backs in both hand size and arm length.
I mean, this is the root cause of his fumbling issues.
Ball doesn't sit well on his forearm, and the hand
grap grip is weaker than a larger hand would have.

(45:46):
I would venture to guess that for a bigger body
power back, his short arms and small hands are even
more of an outlier if you remove the smaller third
down receiving running backs from the data set. I fear
that technique improvements will never overcome this physical liability.

Speaker 4 (46:02):
It's interesting, interesting, Ober, I don't know, twenty percentile, Like
we're not talking about like the zero percent baby hand. Yeah,
Like twenty percentile means that there's still quite a bit
of running backs that have his hand size that.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
Don't fumble nine times in the last However, now to
your point, he didn't fumble a lot in twenty one
and twenty two.

Speaker 4 (46:22):
Yeah, Like we did this with you know, dull percent
like Will Campbell's like arm length and wingspan is like
like one or zero percentile for tackles that's an outlier,
like twentieth percentile. I think we're getting into the category
of like there's enough of people that have succeeded with that.

Speaker 6 (46:39):
I mean, I keep landing on this space of I
don't think you can. You just don't have the personnel
to jettison him now. But do you even if he
doesn't fumble the rest of the season, do you get
to this offseason and you say, Okay, like this has
been an issue, he wasn't our guy. Let's get one
of our guys in here.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
Let me see the rest of the season.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
I had, you know, because I think what Fred's alluding
to I would sort of agree with. So just saying
he doesn't fumble again the rest of the season doesn't
give me enough of the pitcher, Like does he run differently?
You know, is he not as productive because he's being
too cautious as he runs? You know, if he doesn't
fumble any super productive, let's just say, let's just say

(47:23):
he's really really good. I think there's a good chance
that he's not going to be back next year. Even
if that happens. Man, I think that we sort of
talked about the guys that you circleed that weren't quite
ready financially, Duger Owenu Stevenson. Maybe it wasn't in your
best interest to let them go now because it would
have cost you more than it would have saved you,
or whatever the case. Accurate, It's clear that Mike is

(47:48):
looking to sort of turn the roster over and you know,
surround himself with his guys quote unquote, not an uncommon
thing for all coaches. Fred uh and Maddie Nosacks had
a chance to talk to Bill Parcels over the weekend,
and that was one of the things I think, Fred,
you asked Parcels about you like you are guys. Parcels guys,
and you know how the circle the waggon kind of guys.

(48:10):
I think that's a common thing for a coach to
want to be around guys that he's more comfortable with.
It wouldn't surprise me even if he does sort of
solve the fumbling problem and he has a really productive
finish to the season, if they're looking to move on anyway.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
Yeah, Daniels in California.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
Heye, Daniel, there, you guys doing good.

Speaker 11 (48:33):
So my question is I'm sorry, like I agree with
you guys when you guys talking a couple of minutes
ago about the receiving like production in the offense. So
my question is, like, looking around the league, which receiving
like situation are you like kind of keeping an eye on.
I think I know we're just still in a rebuilding stage,

(48:53):
but I think we should definitely try to be active
in the trade deadline. You know, personally, I'm selfish, selfishy wanting.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
Uh A J.

Speaker 11 (49:01):
Brown keep getting frustrated with the Eagles offense so we
can make a call for him. But I know that's
probably not realistic, But I just want to get your
thoughts on like maybe other situations you're looking at, and
I can stick it off there.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
Okay, thanks Daniel, I mean A J. Brown's awesome. I
would definitely, I mean I want AJ Brown. I just
wanted someone to explain to me why Philadelphia is trading
him to anybody, forget you, anybody. I just don't see it.
But I absolutely would agree with Daniel. I think that's
the kind of move if you think that there's some
frustration with AJ Brown in Philadelphia, be proactive. Yeah, you

(49:35):
know what's you know, I hear Aj is not happy.
You know, Rabel knows him as a has a relationship
with him. You know what, you know, what do you guys? Look?
You know what I get that you don't want to
trade them? You know Howie, I get it. You know
what would it take?

Speaker 6 (49:49):
But hypothetically, But going back to what Evan said, I
think that's be proactive. You know, I haven't always been
on board with those moves, but now I feel like
you're getting to a point where if there was an elite,
a wide receiver who wants out those kind of trades
that happen all the time, that I'd be, I think.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
Very interested, and I wouldn't want to overextend he's in
the age that I would do it. Yeah, he's an
established star who's thirty, has plenty left. You know, I
would have been interested in McLaurin, even though he's a
little old. Now, this is what happens when these guys,
by the way, take the whole summer off. I don't
know what he's dealing with exactly. I guess there's some
questions with McLaurin, and whether it's a quad or something else.

(50:27):
It looks like he's not going to practice today. That's
what happens when you don't do anything all summer. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (50:31):
I mean you've probably got a draft pick, hopefully that
isn't too high in the first round, but that still
has enough value that you know, I put it on
the table for a legit guy, especially with Drake for
these final couple of years of his rookie deal.

Speaker 1 (50:43):
Like you feel like the offensive line might be in shape.

Speaker 6 (50:46):
I mean, again, we're speculating because I don't take going
to the callers that like, you can't count on anything.
Like I like what I've seen in this team. There
are positive elements, but I need them to go out
like this weekend and be like, wow, no penalties, no turnovers.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
Bound offense, hit some plays downfield.

Speaker 6 (51:01):
Defense looked like they did in the middle of the
last week's game for the entirety, you know, and then
you can really start to have even more evidence to
get on board with it. But I have seen elements
of it, but week three.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
We need more. And whether whether that happens or not,
I think AJ Brown is the kind of player at
the age where he could be part of your future.
So whether you're doing it for this year or the
long term is fine with me, because I think you
can absolutely make an argument that no, no, no, he's a
long term solution, you know, like Harold Landry has been
terrific and I think he's really helped the front seven.

(51:35):
By the time you're a Super Bowl contender, he's probably
not going to be part of the equation. And that's okay.
You need some guys like that too that allow you
to make that ascension from four wins to where you
want to be. Yeah, I was thinking about that same things.

Speaker 6 (51:49):
He's been great, you know, but I think the exact
same thing of like, he's been great, how long is
he going to have Can we get a guy behind
him to kind of mold behind him? But I just
connected to Drake and say, Drake's on a rookie deal
for the next couple of years.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
It's okay to be aggressive.

Speaker 6 (52:03):
It's okay to maybe burn a high round draft pick
to really try to give him that guy.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
Give him the guy, all.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
Right, Boston Cream's on the line. What's up, Boston Cream?

Speaker 2 (52:14):
Dude?

Speaker 12 (52:14):
Hey, hey, uh, what do you guys think about Bill
Belichick's girlfriend being on the sideline?

Speaker 9 (52:20):
And then I have another question.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
I think it's ridiculous.

Speaker 13 (52:23):
Yeah, can you imagine if that happened in New England?

Speaker 6 (52:28):
I would love to hear what the conversation was, but no,
Bill's trying to get ready for the game. I'm not
sure I think she should know this by now.

Speaker 13 (52:36):
And then my second question is, now that Julian Edelman
is in the Patriots Hall of Fame, can we get
in the true MVP of Super Bowl three?

Speaker 8 (52:45):
James Devlin? Is that possible?

Speaker 1 (52:48):
Well?

Speaker 3 (52:48):
I know Andy Hart's writing letters as we speak. But yeah, okay, yeah, okay,
all right, bye, okay, bye bye.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
Expecting more from him? Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is a standard.
Was didn't meet the standard at the comedic chops where
you didn't meet the standard? All right, you know, not
all hits.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
Just remember we're gonna be going a Vrabel when he
goes live in a minute or so. But Chris with
a T I A N right sin, he says, call
Kevin Falk he had issues fumbling early in his career,
but clean them up quite nicely. Although it's not exactly
early in Madre's career. I don't recall fuck fumbling much
during his tenure, more so during the Carrol era than

(53:32):
the Belichick era, for sure. Yeah he did, remember he
was wearing those pads with the dots for the Belichick era.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
Yeah, he only played one year for Carol. Yeah, no,
he did. Yeah, but he cleaned it up. He did
clean it up. But I think his touch is also
like to it's not really the same because there's a
third down back. But he absolutely cleaned it up. He
didn't fumble as much, I want to say, like like
oh three oh four or he had some fumbles that

(54:02):
were big and then he kind of cleaned it up.
Three and ninety nine. Uh yeah, six in two thousand. Yeah,
that's that's Belichick. That's his first year. Yeah. Two in
two thousand and one. One in two thousand and two,
he had a huge one in pittsgroll three in O
four he had a huge one in that Thanksgiving a

(54:22):
Halloween game in Pittsburgh on the screen. Oh yeah, there
it is. Okay, Eldrid, you're laughing at me. You are No, No,
I deserve that.

Speaker 3 (54:35):
Go ahead, Eldred.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
All right, Hey, hey.

Speaker 14 (54:39):
Y'all doing that?

Speaker 1 (54:40):
All right?

Speaker 14 (54:41):
Looking, I'm not wearing the Carolina Panthers jersey this week?

Speaker 3 (54:45):
Got that?

Speaker 14 (54:46):
So you tell the Bulls to come out and play?

Speaker 1 (54:48):
No, I get that one, Eldrid. This is so you know,
you remember during the summer, you know, or even probably
earlier than the summer. You know, back in the off season,
like the Mindless, if you could guarantee one game, uh
do you remember that, like for the Patriots would win.
This was the game I picked home against Carolina. If
I had any game that I had, but the most

(55:10):
confidence in it was between this one and at New Orleans.
And because this one's at home, I took this one.
So I agree with you, Eldred. I don't want to
see where in any of those Carolina jerseys down there
me either. I don't want to know.

Speaker 14 (55:23):
The defensive is kind of tough and evid he met
like like I said, it came advertised, you might not
have that furnace speed, BEI got the NFL speed. Once
he get opened, he's gone.

Speaker 1 (55:34):
If you can catch you savaging over fifteen yards of touch.
So he is, yeah, yeah, that's what I was saying.

Speaker 14 (55:42):
So he's damn good, damn good.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
Yeah, he's played well.

Speaker 14 (55:46):
One guy who.

Speaker 10 (55:47):
One guy wish we were trading for.

Speaker 14 (55:48):
I'm gonna keep holling, well, you get mad. Ad Mitchell
hits the little set too because he's not getting enough
playing time. But he do produce once he gets out there.
That's how it talk to you later.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
Okay, Yeah, I mean those are the kinds of guys
that I think more realistic, you know, guys that are
fourth and fifth options for their teams. Let's go to
Mike Rabel stylish.

Speaker 4 (56:13):
Do you anticipate being able to ramp up Christian Gonzalez
this week in hopes of possibly playing Saturn?

Speaker 15 (56:22):
Yeah, I think that that's the that's the plan, you know,
excited about his efforts and willingness to get back and
work hard and practice last week and then again.

Speaker 16 (56:36):
Made a decision.

Speaker 15 (56:38):
I made a decision at the end of the week
that just I think we needed a little bit more time.
And that's what happens when you start this return to
play and you practice and you work hard, and then
you see how you respond, and then to make a
decision if you're you know, if that players, you know,
ready ready for a football game, and we felt like

(57:01):
that he probably needed a little bit more time and uh,
hopefully he'll be ready to go. Excited to see him
and everybody else practice today.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
Wait, hopeated impact Christian. You've only seen him one film?

Speaker 16 (57:15):
Really, stuff like hopevated impact and you.

Speaker 15 (57:18):
Have for your guy, Well, I mean I think any
of you. We need all our all our best players.
You know, you've said this numerous times here. You're your
best players have to play good in order for you
to have a chance to win. And so Christian would
be one of those players. And we just need to
try to get everybody out there that we can get
out there, and uh, hopefully he progresses well throughout the

(57:41):
week and he can help us.

Speaker 17 (57:42):
Like what you see is the mood of the team
today as you guys came back and got ready.

Speaker 16 (57:46):
To work after a while, I think it's it's it's
where it has to be.

Speaker 15 (57:50):
You know, whether you win or lose, you have to
you know, remain consistent and get back to work and
prepare for a new opponent. You put a lot into
it every week, disappointed that you lose, but that's in
the rear view mirror, and we have to be able
to attack each and every week. And then you know,
once you make the corrections and once you point out

(58:11):
the things that we have to do better in order
to win, and then then it's onto the preparation and
the new challenge ahead.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
Mike tis a saying that you can't win unless and
learn how not to lose. In terms of that in
terms of learning how.

Speaker 16 (58:27):
Not to lose.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
Can that be taught or is that on the players?

Speaker 17 (58:32):
Well?

Speaker 16 (58:33):
I think it.

Speaker 15 (58:37):
I think by building and doing things the right way
and and believe in in what it is that we
feel like as in an identity, that that hopefully that
will take care of it. I mean, I think the
more that you put yourself in close games and the
more that you put yourselves in those situations that you

(58:59):
have to you know, be able to have some favorable outcomes.
You know, you have to be able to respond and
you have to be able to get stops in the
red zone where you have to be able to take
care of football or you know, you have to be
able to produce some some explosive gains in the in
the return phase and all those things that are that
are critical.

Speaker 17 (59:16):
You know, I don't know.

Speaker 15 (59:18):
I think it kind of just comes hand in hand
with it and we try to point them out as
often as we possibly can.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
Like you mentioned, you made a decision last week that
did more time with Christian.

Speaker 9 (59:31):
What information do you use to to make the decisions
like that?

Speaker 15 (59:37):
Just revisiting this from previous conversations, was that a wink
fill or were you just squinting good.

Speaker 3 (59:48):
You know.

Speaker 16 (59:48):
One, can they player protect themselves?

Speaker 17 (59:52):
Right?

Speaker 15 (59:52):
Can they go out there in this game and.

Speaker 16 (59:56):
And protect themselves.

Speaker 15 (59:57):
I guess it's a violent game, right, Can they pret
detect themselves? Can they do their job to the standard
that we you know, have set for them and they've
set for themselves. And can they make it worse? So
those are the three things that I would probably use.
I think, you know, a lot goes into being able
to protect yourself. The conditioning of the person, right, A

(01:00:19):
player that would maybe get tired or wouldn't be in
a proper condition to play in an NFL game could
then lead to another injury or you know, not being
able to protect themselves. So, but those are the three
things that I try to use in making those decisions. A.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
There's defense.

Speaker 6 (01:00:38):
What are they doing from a movement perspective that will
challenge you gains?

Speaker 15 (01:00:41):
Well, they're just they're very sound, you know, and they've
done a lot. They have a lot in the playbook,
they have a lot in their history. But they're playing
their best defense when when they're just sound, when they
line up very good interior. I think the secondary is
very good. I think that obviously Horn and Jackson and

(01:01:02):
Mooring has been a.

Speaker 16 (01:01:04):
Very good player.

Speaker 15 (01:01:07):
Linebackers are good tacklers, and Brown is one of the
best interior defensive linemen. But they they play sound, they
play with their hands, they tackle well, and so they
really haven't been, you know, beating themselves too much.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
Red tech n Millan on the other side.

Speaker 15 (01:01:25):
I mean, all the same things that you know you
look at and saw when you were seeing them come
out as big athlete, smooth, fluid mover, good at the
catch point. You know, body control for for such a
long player, very I guess, agile, loose, you know, can
upper body flexibility, can can turn locate the football, so,

(01:01:48):
you know, but good catch radius. It seems like Bryce
certainly trusts him already to be where he's supposed to be.

Speaker 16 (01:01:59):
So that'll be a huge.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
Challenge your experience. You know, how deep into a season
do you typically find out who your team is from
us strength to weaknesses?

Speaker 16 (01:02:09):
I don't know, you know.

Speaker 15 (01:02:10):
I mean I think when it's there, you kind of
know it. And so we're you know, we've got a
bunch of different things that we've done well and not
so well, and then you know, things that gotten us beat, right,
So I don't want us to to forget about all
the positives and the good things that have happened, and
the very good winning snaps that we've played. And then

(01:02:33):
obviously just you have to eliminate the things that get
us beat the turnovers, the you know, the returns, the
x plays on defense, those types of things.

Speaker 18 (01:02:42):
They're putting a.

Speaker 16 (01:02:43):
Really phenomenal kick cover. That's impressive. Looked at it for
two hours last night. I impressive.

Speaker 15 (01:02:51):
They got good players, they got great speed, They change
the scheme up on you and so you know that'll
be critical that we're able to, you know, protect the
guy with the ball.

Speaker 16 (01:03:02):
They're they're flying, and you know.

Speaker 15 (01:03:05):
It starts with the kicker kicks a good kick, dirty kick,
so he's had the returners sometimes confused he's kicking him.
When he kicks them deep, they're right at the goal
line forcing it to return them or you know, last
week a couple of times they touched it and took
a step back and then you know, had it on

(01:03:26):
the twenty yard line. So they've done a fantastic job.
Credit to their staff and uh and to the players.
You know, Paul, just tough to have one that's on
the ground in between the twenty and the goal line.
Sometimes one hops and they can return it. Sometimes it

(01:03:46):
you know, kicks and goes sideways, and you know we'll
have to be prepared for that wherever they kick it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
Ass trills We've seen various off season in the game,
like on Sunday, do you try something new when it
comes to that.

Speaker 15 (01:04:00):
Well, I would just put some more time into it,
you know, put some more time into it. And then again,
I'm gonna remind you that that everybody else's job is
to protect the guy with the ball, and so we'll
have to practice that too.

Speaker 16 (01:04:11):
Because that wasn't good enough.

Speaker 15 (01:04:13):
And the easy thing to say is that, you know,
we had three players fumbled the football, which is obvious.

Speaker 16 (01:04:21):
You know, we have to use great.

Speaker 15 (01:04:23):
Technique and then everyone else needs to strain to protect
the player with the ball. And that's what we're going
to get accomplished.

Speaker 17 (01:04:33):
And Chisel has he been inactive because his injury is
lingering or is it something else?

Speaker 15 (01:04:39):
Just my decision each and every week try to get
you know, we can only get five right now, we've
only been taking five, so that that can change each week.

Speaker 16 (01:04:47):
And he's he's.

Speaker 15 (01:04:48):
Working hard and working in practice and you know, we'll
evaluate that each week as to what his role would
be and how he can help us. But you know
that's kind of where that is.

Speaker 16 (01:05:01):
You see Kyle Williams opportunities increase hopefully.

Speaker 15 (01:05:05):
I mean again, he's the ones we've thrown to him,
he's caught, and you know, just keep building a role
for him and you know, get everybody some opportunities and
let the quarterback throw to the guy that's open.

Speaker 6 (01:05:18):
The factors that go into batted balls, and how do
you go about preventing.

Speaker 15 (01:05:21):
Consistently, Uh, I think arm angle, staring, staring the throw down.
I think in tight windows down in the red zone,
if you stare it down, you'll probably get some passes
batted against good teams that don't run past the quarterback.
You know, think timing, you know, defensively timing being able

(01:05:45):
to to not stand at the line but be able
to rush and then you know.

Speaker 16 (01:05:50):
Get the correct hand up, you know.

Speaker 15 (01:05:54):
And then quarterbacks that you know have a tendency to again,
like I said, get low with their release or some
times it's the route has an effect on it as well,
if it's over the middle and short.

Speaker 17 (01:06:05):
Like every week in the game notes lists all the
common kind of connections between the Patriots and their opponents, and.

Speaker 8 (01:06:13):
This week it's very thin.

Speaker 17 (01:06:14):
There's almost no crossover between the Patriots and the Panthers,
between coaches and players. What's that like to game plan
for a team where you guys have almost no kind
of personal experience with guys on the other side.

Speaker 16 (01:06:27):
Just watch the tape, you know what I mean?

Speaker 15 (01:06:29):
Just try to focus in on the tape, and I
have an idea of how to prepare the players that
way and focus on those things.

Speaker 16 (01:06:39):
Focus on the things that.

Speaker 15 (01:06:40):
You see, maybe things that they've done in the past,
or how what they may do to us situationally.

Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
In his playing time.

Speaker 6 (01:06:50):
How much of that number where we're at right now
through three games is tight to just what he was
coming back from injury wise.

Speaker 15 (01:06:56):
I mean, I think it's all gonna change. I think
the through three games and where it's at, and the
packages that we've used, and you know, the stuff that
we've asked some of these guys to do is just
trying to find a role for each every one of them.
And I don't think any of them are gonna play
ninety percent of the snaps.

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And now great moments in history and neither was anybody
saying that Cole Strange can't play. No, but they say
he struggled as a rookie and he was overdrafted Paul,
and that's a bad pick.

Speaker 3 (01:09:29):
Some people say it's a bust, Yes, it's not a bus.

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
Year one was a bust.

Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
That's not what I just said, and you know it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
Okay, Well, what do you think is going to happen.
I don't think he's gonna end up being like a
first round.

Speaker 3 (01:09:40):
But I think I think it's just as stupid to
say I know he's going to be a pro bowler
as I know he's going to be a bus. Same
way with Marcus Joes.

Speaker 1 (01:09:47):
It's not just as stupid to say the second part,
because he was a bust in year one. He wasn't
anywhere near a port.

Speaker 3 (01:09:52):
Well, he wasn't a bus.

Speaker 1 (01:09:53):
He was fred. Oh, come on, for one year. I'm
not saying that ends his story as a player.

Speaker 3 (01:09:59):
I didn't say you said, but in year.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
One he was in and out of the lineup due
to performance.

Speaker 3 (01:10:03):
And like the emailer said, we knew he was going
to struggle.

Speaker 1 (01:10:06):
No I didn't. I don't pick first round picks as
plug and play guys that I know are going to struggle. Listen, listen,
then it's a bad pick.

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
It's not one of.

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
The two has to be true.

Speaker 3 (01:10:16):
Well, we'll know it's a bad pick in a few years,
but right now, you can't say.

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
This is my whole thing about offensive lineman It's not
why you can get away with taking offensive lineman because
no one will ever call him a bust.

Speaker 3 (01:10:26):
You just did.

Speaker 1 (01:10:27):
I will, but no one.

Speaker 3 (01:10:28):
No, Paul is the only one.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
See now, now he's going to completely change the narrative
of this argument. Be snarky, make fun of me. Everybody
laughs at him. No, and then we'll just people, do
not declare offensive lineman as readily bust you as Nikhil Harry.

Speaker 3 (01:10:45):
You are not on him.

Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
Was Nikhil Harry a bust?

Speaker 12 (01:10:47):
You?

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
Was Nikhil Harry a bust? Okay? Was it okay to
call him the bust after one year? No? Okay, it
was not consistent.

Speaker 3 (01:10:57):
It's not okay.

Speaker 1 (01:10:58):
What do you think he's going to cold cold?

Speaker 3 (01:11:02):
I think he's gonna be a fine NFL player, Okay,
I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:11:05):
Okay, that's another great moment.

Speaker 3 (01:11:10):
All right, back here on Patriot's Unfiltered eight five five
pasts five hundred is the hotline podcast at patriots dot com.
Is the email address. Evans off to practice in the
locker room. Deuce just left for the locker room. He'll
be back to give us his locker room report as
soon as he's done with that. We just heard from

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Mike Rabel, and I guess the headline is, Yes, Gonzo's back,
He'll be practicing, and the plan is for him to play.

Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
Yeah, I mean, I'll we'll see what ends up happening
on Sunday. But yeah, I mean I fully expected him
to be practicing after practicing all last week, but Mike
certainly indicated that I would be surprised if he didn't
play this week. Based on the way Mike sounded, yep.
I don't want to say he guaranteed it or anything
like that, but based on the way Mike spoke at

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the beginning there.

Speaker 3 (01:12:05):
God only knows what happens in practice, but the plan,
I think is the hope. The expectation is that he's
going to be in the game by Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
So kind of some interesting stuff. I don't know if
you caught this last night on one of my shows,
one of my former shows. They don't have me on anymore,
No NBC Sports Boston Early Edition, I believe with Trenny.
Burt Breer was on, and he indicated that there was
no setback with Gonzalez's hamstring, which I thought was no

(01:12:39):
one has definitively reported that he had suffered a set back.
But I think a lot of us, myself included, sort
of assumed that he must have based on the initial
reports back in August that indicated they expected him to
be ready for Week one.

Speaker 3 (01:12:56):
Yeah, so I don't know if there was, Like, if
there was no setback, then obviously they were surprised that
it took that long.

Speaker 4 (01:13:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:07):
And the way that Bert and this is Burt's words,
not mine, Okay, the way that Breer explained it, and
I kind of agree with him, but he said, it's
almost worse if there were no setbacks, because then you
sort of think what you just said. Team probably felt
the beginning of September that he'd have been back on

(01:13:29):
the field before now. Yeah, well they probably would have
contemplated putting him on IR. So I think that he's
a good enough player that even if you knew he
was going to miss three weeks and not the fourth,
that he's worth keeping on the roster because I think
he's that valuable. Yeah, but they're just some different schools

(01:13:51):
of thought there.

Speaker 3 (01:13:51):
Yeah, but listen, happy that it looks like he's going
to be back.

Speaker 1 (01:13:57):
We need him, We need him beyond that, not a
whole lot plan not a whole lot from Vrabel, you know,
talked a lot about asked a couple of questions about Carolina.
It was, you know, he spoke the way we did
about their defense. He's impressed, I think with their physicality,
and you know, I don't you guys know, I always
tell you to do special teams on your time, right,
But when he had that line about you know that,

(01:14:18):
I think so. She asked him about the kick the
kick coverage. Think he did their kick coverage. They're allowing
an average of sixteen yards per kickoff return. That's a
pretty good number. So I don't know what they're doing exactly,
but they obviously have a good kickoff team, kickoff coverage team.
You know, like the Patriots are averaging twenty six point

(01:14:40):
nine yards per return, a number that's obviously inflated a
little bit by Antonio Gibson's touchdown, and they're allowing twenty
five point one yards per return. Okay, that's like, that's
that's a big that's nine yards. That's a big difference
sixteen yards to twenty five yards.

Speaker 3 (01:14:58):
So are the kicks going deeper shallow in the kicking zone?

Speaker 1 (01:15:03):
Yeah? You know so In other words, if he's catch
him around the eighteen. He doesn't have as much space
to get. But whatever they're tackling.

Speaker 3 (01:15:09):
The starting Yeah, I drive, Okay, all right, all right.
Podcast at Patriots dot Com. Henry says today's birthday. It's
his thirtieth birthday. Happy BIRTHDAY'VE been listening since I was fifteen,
and thanks to Pu, I've gone from a boy.

Speaker 1 (01:15:26):
To a man. Missed crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:15:29):
There have been many pearls of wisdom along the way.
Fred reaching me the best way to dispose cardboard boxes,
teaching me I think he means cardboard boxes, very middle age.
Eric teaching me how to pronounce certain words he missed.
He pronounces Edinburgh wrong. And perhaps best of all, Paul
teaching me the best way to drink beer is to
drink twenty. I have a question that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
I've gone a lot of different ways. I'm glad I
went that way. That was funny.

Speaker 3 (01:15:55):
I have a question that I hope stumps Paul and
wins me a T shirt. The day I was born
was a Sunday, Week four of the nineteen ninety five season.
The Patriots were one and two coming off of twenty
eight three Calm Down Mike lost to the Niners. My
question is who did the Patriots play in week four?
Trick question? It was bye week?

Speaker 1 (01:16:17):
They went Oh I just answered it? Oh all right,
so can I Does he have anything else there? Okay?

Speaker 3 (01:16:24):
Who did they lose to?

Speaker 1 (01:16:25):
Then?

Speaker 3 (01:16:25):
In week five?

Speaker 1 (01:16:26):
So I have two guesses in my head.

Speaker 3 (01:16:29):
Yeah, so you would have been wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:16:32):
I'm going to say, well, because I wouldn't have guessed
by me. Right, No, I'm going to say. I'm going
to say Kansas City in week five ninety five? Wrong.
I have another guest. So if that's wrong, just say
it's wrong. It's wrong. Did they play Kansas City Pittsburgh? Wrong? Okay?

(01:16:53):
Those are the two that popped into my head.

Speaker 3 (01:16:55):
According to Henry, they went on to lose in week
five to the Falcons thirty to seventeen.

Speaker 1 (01:17:01):
Okay, it's slipping, Paul. You know why? I believe that's
a Zolac game, Oh Falcon?

Speaker 3 (01:17:09):
Oh you know what?

Speaker 1 (01:17:11):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (01:17:11):
Ninety five was that the game in Atlanta.

Speaker 1 (01:17:14):
Maurice Hurst picked six. They called it back for a
garbage passing affairance?

Speaker 3 (01:17:18):
Oh right, right exactly?

Speaker 1 (01:17:21):
Are you serious?

Speaker 3 (01:17:21):
I think so because he was fighting for the redemption
and that was the game where parcels scolded me because
in the postgame press conference Patriots had a chance.

Speaker 1 (01:17:32):
No, No, that can't be the game.

Speaker 3 (01:17:34):
I'm thinking of a different game, because I was thinking
of the game where they had a chance to win
it at the end. That must have been ninety six.
I thought it wasn't against Atlanta.

Speaker 1 (01:17:44):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:17:44):
Never mind, never mind. All right, Okay, who's this doesn't
say good stuff? Though?

Speaker 1 (01:17:54):
Stump me? Yeah? Does he get a shirt for that? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:17:58):
I thought that was SUPs up? I thought that was
the Sean Jefferson game. What year was Sean.

Speaker 1 (01:18:03):
John Jefferson played a lot of games.

Speaker 3 (01:18:06):
No, but there was a game where he had a
lot of fans in the stands and he got called
for an offensive. I don't know. I have to go
back and look at my notes to look at the
pfws from back then. Anyway, this email says, I dislike
how impatient fans are. I'm seeing posts on social media

(01:18:28):
and even some media people talking about trading Gonzales, cutting
the kicker, benching, Pop, cutting Stevenson, moving Campbell to guard
and Wilson to center. We've played three games. I get
that when you have five turnovers, you have to look
at it differently, because that's just terrible football. But I
also think a majority of our season, besides a few quarters,

(01:18:50):
our offense has been middle of the road, if not
pretty good. Our defense has really disappointed me so far.
My question, if the offense decides to play well at
the same time our defense shows up to play well
in the Bills game, do you think it will be
competitive or are we not there yet? Even if we
have complimentary football.

Speaker 1 (01:19:09):
Competitive, Yeah, why can't they.

Speaker 3 (01:19:11):
Get Miami was competitive?

Speaker 1 (01:19:13):
Yeah, of course they can be competitive.

Speaker 3 (01:19:15):
Yeah, Miami gave them a game. They were tied up
in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 1 (01:19:20):
I'll say this about that email. Normally, when emails start
off with why is everybody doing this, it's really not.
That's dead on. I've heard every one of those things
that that guy just mentioned. I've heard, yeah, you know,
Will Campbell, we had a caller yesterday Will Campbell and
Jared Wilson sliding inside yep, to guard and center, respectively,

(01:19:42):
cut the kicker, cut the running back. I've heard people
wonder about trading Gonzo. I've heard all of those things.

Speaker 3 (01:19:49):
I've heard them all. I've heard them yep.

Speaker 1 (01:19:51):
I'm not necessarily saying that any of those have been
treated with any.

Speaker 3 (01:19:55):
I don't think there's I don't think there's a ground
swell for any one of them.

Speaker 1 (01:19:58):
Probably with the exception of the Steve thing. I think
a lot of people think that you're sending a message,
You're trying to establish a culture and sending a message
to the team. But yeah, I would agree with the
emailer at three games is a little early for all that.
But the offense, I would say has been uneven. There

(01:20:19):
are times where the offenses looked really good. I'm a
little concerned about the second half of these games. They
did absolutely nothing in the second half against the Raiders.
They did little in the second half against Miami. This game,
they were better in the second half. The turnover, you know,
the two turnovers, the Gibson one in the May one,
the first turnover in the end zone. They had a

(01:20:42):
spelling an interception that set them up on the eleven,
and then they fumbled as they were going in. But
they moved the ball better in the second half in
this game than they did the first two. I'd like
to see them put together two good halves of foot
would you say Defensive.

Speaker 3 (01:20:53):
The Miami game this year had the potential to be
like the Jacksonville game last year.

Speaker 1 (01:20:59):
But I got off to a great start. Yeah, it's
a better team Patriot. Yeah, but Miami's better than Jacksonville
was last year too. But yeah, I mean you can
make an argument without that if they don't return the
kick or if a chance stays in bounds, like, you
can make an argument that. Yeah, they had that great

(01:21:19):
start and everything looked good and then the offense kind
of fizzled out. I mean, really the second half was
not looking good offensively, and then they made that one
play down the sideline to Stevenson which got them the touchdown,
and then that that was really it offensively because the
other touchdown was a kick return, and then that last
field goal was a you know, yeah, yeah, pick a

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pick three they took over in field goal range.

Speaker 3 (01:21:45):
Jeff and Canada. If you're one of the fans who
expected the Patriots to be contending for a wild card
this year, then this game is a must win. You
can't start a season one and three and zero and
three at home against mediocre at best competition and say
you're a contender. If they lose this weekend, then we
will have no choice to assume they will lose to
the bills. Then you're one and four and people are

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calling the show to talk about New Year's draft.

Speaker 1 (01:22:10):
Yeah, it's not wrong. I think it as much as
a game in September, it can be considered a must win.
This is a must win, and that's whether you want
to make the playoffs or not. Like you have to
beat teams that are at your level or below. And
I would say in this case, they're below at home,
but I think it's like three and sixteen or three
and eighteen and they'll last whatever amount of you know,

(01:22:32):
twenty one is crazy home games like that needs to start. Yeah,
they need to win this game.

Speaker 3 (01:22:39):
On the subject of callers, one comment, one question, please,
if you have one life story, two game comments and
three questions, you need to start your own podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:22:49):
That's fair enough. Yeah, Fred does let them ramble, doesn't he.

Speaker 3 (01:22:52):
Well, listen, we have time.

Speaker 1 (01:22:54):
We do. You know, we love we love all our listeners.

Speaker 3 (01:22:57):
We're not taking breaks every ten minutes like you're shows.

Speaker 1 (01:23:00):
Right, It's true, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:23:03):
They don't like to hear that, but that's that's the
sense that people get when they listen. Let's see BB
and NH curious to hear each of your different perspectives
and how much of a mental game football is versus physical.
Do you think there's any merit comparing coaching matchups to
a chess game.

Speaker 1 (01:23:22):
I'm sure.

Speaker 3 (01:23:22):
While ball Knower's like Evan will say that strategy aspect
makes a sport as a whole more entertaining.

Speaker 1 (01:23:27):
To watch, I think there's a chess match. I think
there's a.

Speaker 3 (01:23:31):
Chess match for the coaches and certainly for the quarterbacks
to a degree. But I was told by the late
great Will McDonough who told me that never ask a
football player about football because they don't know all.

Speaker 1 (01:23:45):
They know they're supposed to.

Speaker 3 (01:23:46):
They know what they're supposed to do, and that's about it.

Speaker 1 (01:23:49):
Yeah, and the best players obviously know what everybody's.

Speaker 3 (01:23:51):
Doing, right, like safeties, you know, like those guys.

Speaker 1 (01:23:54):
Yeah, but yeah, I think, but there's a there's definitely
a chess match that goes on with the coaches, and
it's just like what you're what you're saying? What that
would sort of the definition of that would be you're
making moves with not only wanting to do what whatever
you're doing, but you're anticipating what the other coach is
going to do, and you're trying to make sure you

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put your team in the best possible position to take
advantage of that. So there are chess moves that happen.
I think back and forth from a coaching perspective, but
I would say that the game is more physical than mental. Now, quarterback,
as you said, obviously the mental is huge. You can
make an argument the mental is more important than physical.

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But you know a lot of players the mental can't
be you know, absent, but like to be a good
wide receiver, I don't care if you like. I don't
care if I know every route combination that there is.
I physically do not have the ability to be a
wide receiver in the NFL. So you need But.

Speaker 3 (01:24:55):
When you have that plus the mark.

Speaker 1 (01:24:59):
Which is what Belichick I always said, Mandy Moss.

Speaker 3 (01:25:01):
Was like, yes, then you're at the next level.

Speaker 1 (01:25:04):
So I'm not saying you don't like. The mental side
for the skill position players isn't important. It is, yeah,
but you need the physical because without the physical, I
don't care how good your mental is. I've seen plenty
of physical players succeed without being that strong mental.

Speaker 3 (01:25:19):
And I don't know if you want to call instincts mental,
but like there are those players and whether they're a
running back or they have those great instincts. They you know,
they just know when to cut, they know when to
you know, call it a day. They just have great instincts,
and that pretty good. That goes for all athletes. You know,
some of the best players have the best instincts. It's

(01:25:40):
just something about them. They just know what to do
in that split second. And so that's less of a
chess game and it's more a mental instinctual type of
feeling for the game. Makes me excited. Ivan in California,
what's up, Ivan? Ivan?

Speaker 1 (01:26:01):
Oh, you're a terrible Ivan.

Speaker 12 (01:26:04):
Ay do you hear me?

Speaker 14 (01:26:07):
Now?

Speaker 12 (01:26:09):
Okay, my apologies. So I got a quick comment on
Pop and then a question for you guys on Brable.
With Pop, I think it's a perfect example as to
why the preseason means absolutely nothing because the guy was
our number one target. He was doing great come season time,
all of a sudden, there's again, there's some of the
same issues that were last year. Not the right place,

(01:26:32):
not the right whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:26:35):
In the preseason games.

Speaker 12 (01:26:38):
No, like you know, through well through practice, everybody was saying, oh,
you guys are reporting that Pop was.

Speaker 1 (01:26:43):
Just in practice. Okay, I'm sorry, I misunderstood you. Okay, yeah, okay,
go ahead.

Speaker 12 (01:26:48):
Okay, And I might have said preseason to my apologies
for a mistake, but I mean like he was like
the number one guy, right, and then to me, I'm
just sorry, but there's there's it's to me that you
don't know fourth down where your marker is. I mean,
I appreciate Drake trying to, you know, take on that responsibility,
but come on, man, like, yeah, I do not know that.

Speaker 4 (01:27:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:27:09):
I would just say, like in practice, it's a little
different because Diggs was not really doing a lot of
eleven on eleven stuff at the outset. Mac Collins did
none because he was on pup to open camp, so
it was him and Booty, right. I mean, that's those
are the guys that were out there catching all the
passes throughout the practices. Your comment about the fourth down play, obviously,

(01:27:31):
we talked about that a lot yesterday. You have to
get the first down there, there's no And I agree
with you on Drake made good leadership. I like to
see that out of the quarterback taking responsibility for the play.
But you're right, Ivan, there's no reason whatsoever that the
Mario Douglas doesn't know that it's fourth and one and
I need to catch this ball and get up field

(01:27:51):
as quickly as I can. No excuse for that. But
in terms of the practice and all that, it's not
that it doesn't mean anything. It just needs a little
more context. Like I said, the guys that have been
playing the majority of the snaps weren't really options in
eleven on eleven work for a vast majority of those

(01:28:13):
training camp practices. Stefan Diggs was out there right away,
but he wasn't getting that kind of a workload, whereas
the Mario Douglas was on the on the field for
every snap. You remember when camp started, Yeah, Diggs was
out there and he was catching passes and stuff, but
not every play, right, And I think Rabel even said it,
like we, you know, we don't want to have him
taking part in every rap in this and that. And
Mac Collins missed, oh a good week and a half.

Speaker 3 (01:28:36):
So at the start of time, Baker was still with
the team, but you know, he was doing some things,
and but Hya Williams had more of a role actually
early yeah, right away, but yeah, let's go to Cameron
in North Carolina.

Speaker 1 (01:28:50):
Hey, Cameron.

Speaker 12 (01:28:53):
Guys, how good good.

Speaker 20 (01:28:56):
I just have two quick things for you. I'll start
with pop. I think a lot of things that you
guys have been talking about them seems to be more
detail oriented. And I'm not saying this is the greatest
pay sorry passed by Drake May but the one passed
to the right side where it ended up skipping on
the ground and then being incomplete. Is that set up

(01:29:19):
for him to sit back and wait on the ball
like that? Because one thing I didn't notice, instead of
like coming towards meeting the ball, he actually drops stepped
when it was on the way. And I'm not saying
he still could have caught it, but just something I observed.

Speaker 1 (01:29:32):
I think he was trying to reverse course and get
back to the ball, But I mean, you might be right,
maybe he wasn't where he was supposed to be. I
think Evan sort of said, I wonder if he was
supposed to continue to drift. It looked to me like
it was a little swing pass and he should have
been on the move when he caught that. It was
a bad throw, But yeah, I don't know that for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:29:50):
He could have helped the quarterback. But I put that
one on Drake. I thought that he just kind of like, wow,
he's wide oat, Like Drake has an issue when guys
are wide oat.

Speaker 1 (01:29:59):
Oh it was was the usure. Yeah, he didn't get
his feet set and he just threw the ball out
without setting himself.

Speaker 3 (01:30:05):
Yeah, yeah, there was Drake.

Speaker 20 (01:30:08):
To me, I was just wondering, like if that's something
that maybe Pop could have done his own.

Speaker 1 (01:30:12):
Oh yeah, no, I mean there's obviously there's a chance
of that. I think Evan brought it up yesterday to
your point, Cameron, that he he maybe was moving away,
you know, close, he continued to float toward the sideline,
and maybe he shouldn't have. Maybe he should have stopped
and gotten back to the ball again. I think if

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it was any other receiver knowing, but there shouldn't be
that small a room for error that that should be
driven at his head, you know what I mean. Just
it should be an easy little swing pass that you're
hitting the guy in stride because he's you should have
been like sort of leading him upfield so he's catching
it on the front rise nobody out there.

Speaker 3 (01:30:50):
Some there is a time and place for a low pass,
you know, in traffic or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:30:54):
But that wasn't it. Thanks Cameron, but he I mean,
Cameron could be right. Maybe you know, Douglass wasn't where
we were supposed to be, and that's why the past
was short. Could be I don't know. These are little
little details of the game that you just don't know
for sure. And this is why I get frustrated with
the metrics.

Speaker 3 (01:31:11):
The ball knowers.

Speaker 1 (01:31:13):
No, it's just the metrics sights like that just automatically
assigned blamed like I've assigned blame for Drake may on
that play. That doesn't make me right, right the coach
maybe he threw that exactly where he, like Douglas was
supposed to be.

Speaker 3 (01:31:26):
Yeah, only the coaches know for sure. Francisco in North Carolina.
What's up, Francisco?

Speaker 12 (01:31:33):
Thank God?

Speaker 1 (01:31:33):
How you're doing good?

Speaker 7 (01:31:36):
I it's a little loud. I'm at work and I'm
outside driving his track and cutting grass. But just quick
questions or quick a couple of questions. So with us
trying to trade yesterday for that cornerback from the Titans,
instead of doing that, why haven't we tried to talk
to to Fon Gilmore or an Asante, Samuel Junior, somebody

(01:31:57):
who's a free agent. Bring them in. I mean, I
like Sevon Gilmore, you know, because he's been here before,
and I think they bring a lot of leadership to
the locker room, be able to help everybody putting gonzo.
And the second one is what's more likely that Chisholm
takes over for Pop or if it's such a big
deal of a chemistry with somebody going to try to
trade for somebody trait, it's already got chemistry with like

(01:32:21):
Josh Downs or Devon says Walker, I'll take dance rafair.

Speaker 1 (01:32:24):
Thanks guys, Okay, thanks, there's any chance of getting Josh Downs.
The Colts right now are flying high. Can we like
sort of try to use the receivers that they have
a little bit like if you want to give me
like a j Brown as we talked about earlier in
the show, sign me up, Like that's a significant upgrade,

(01:32:49):
whether you're not, you're changing out your fifth and sixth receivers,
fine that you maybe you get a maybe you get
a spark from it. Okay, I think there's maybe more
that Digs can give to this. I think there's more
that we could possibly get from Kyle Williams as he
continues to get more and more acclimated as a pro.

(01:33:09):
I'd like to see Booty get more targets than he's gotten.
I think every time you know, Booty has been involved
so far this year, it's been a successful play for
the Patriots. On Sunday, he had one big catch on
a third and long and drew a passing appearance down
the sideline. Yeah, and you know he was wide opening
the end zone for what should have been a touchdown,
but Drake didn't get it to him. So until I

(01:33:33):
see these guys like, I don't really know exactly what
the answer is, but I mean, Josh, like, the Colts
right now are playing really well. Why would you want
to get rid of one of your receivers now?

Speaker 3 (01:33:45):
Was then other question about why don't they go out
and just, you know, instead of trying to trade for
a lesser guy, why don't they just go after Gilmore.

Speaker 1 (01:33:52):
I don't think Gilmore makes a lot of sense for
them at his age. They're moving away from those kinds
of players. Santa Samuel I think is I think he's
injured and he's not quite ready to play yet, but
I'm not sure if there's been an update on that.
I think that was what he indicated the song.

Speaker 3 (01:34:06):
I think if they were really close, like this is
a team that really close to being like a you know,
a serious contender in the playoffs, maybe you take a
shot at Gilmour if that's something that you think can
get you over that defensive hump. But I guess, you know,
he's probably looking for a lot of money, and that's
the reason why he's still on the street.

Speaker 1 (01:34:27):
Is because he's older.

Speaker 3 (01:34:29):
But he's probably also looking for a lot of money,
and that combination are keeping teams from signing them. Like
I haven't heard him saying I don't want to play anymore, so,
Robert writes in.

Speaker 1 (01:34:42):
Yeah, he had neck surgery that he's recovering from. Yeah,
and I don't believe that he's been medically cleared. I'm
not positive on that. That may have changed since the
start of like September, but I think that's why he
was unsigned, Okay, because he's still young.

Speaker 3 (01:35:02):
Roberts says, aside from Phil shooting a shot on Vrabel
take away from that press conference, Gonzo's still not one
hundred percent to go well.

Speaker 1 (01:35:10):
I mean, I think he indicated that he would be
going well.

Speaker 3 (01:35:13):
The hope is I mean, let's see him practice again,
he's probably going to be full speed this, you know,
full participation instead of limited and we'll see. I don't
think Rabel can commit, but I think the expectation and
the hope is that he plays this week.

Speaker 1 (01:35:28):
Yeah, I would agree with Freddy on that you have
to see how he gets through the week. Yeah, you're
right right, because I think one of the things that
Vrabel talked about was last week, you know, making sure
that you put players in a position where they can
get out in the field and they have the ability
to protect themselves. And he talked about from you know,

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a conditioning standpoint, if you're not quite I mean it's
been over eight weeks. It was July twenty eighth that
he got hurt. It was the first day they were
in pads. That's why the date, that's a long time
to go and you can't and he's dealing with a hamstring,
so you can't get your conditioning to the same level

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that it would be. You know, if you were dealing
with say a shoulder injury, you know, like he'd be
able to run maybe a little bit more. So there's
a lot of different factors at play.

Speaker 3 (01:36:20):
Think about it. So when you get hurt that early
in camp. You don't even have the time to get
into football shape that the other players did. You know,
it's not like he got hurt in August. A lot
of time late August. He hasn't been out there for
a long time.

Speaker 1 (01:36:36):
I would look at the silver lining here. I know
that people are going to probably be surprised that I'm
doing that. But if this injury happens, say September fifth,
you'd have lost them for eight games, eight or nine games. Yeah, yeah,
as opposed to when it happened. Maybe you're going to
get by and only lose them for three.

Speaker 3 (01:36:52):
Right, Mark and Cheddar, why are you both doing a
Robert and Jonathan Craft impression? Paul Seed is so high
it looks comical.

Speaker 1 (01:37:01):
Yeah, you are pretty up there, Paul that much taller
than Fred FYI.

Speaker 3 (01:37:06):
The Blitz talk yesterday was PFWPU at its finest.

Speaker 1 (01:37:10):
Yeah, it was good stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:37:12):
I had fun.

Speaker 1 (01:37:13):
Not gonna lie. I'm gonna let everybody know I was
a little jealous. I had fun. I was a little
jealous not to be involved in that nonsensical PU debate.

Speaker 3 (01:37:23):
Mike Wright's saying, I'm looking forward to this weekend. My
eight year old son told me Dad, for my tenth birthday,
I'd like to go to a Patriots game. He doesn't
know this. Well, you're writing, so I'm right, I'm going
to read it. He doesn't know this, but we are
making the six hour drive up to Jillette this weekend.
We live in Pennsylvania.

Speaker 1 (01:37:40):
Oh cool. I got some more numbers for you, Freddie,
as we're just looking at this, like this page of
like the Panthers' stats. So in the second quarter so
far this year, they've been outscored twenty seven to three.
That's a quarter of the Patriots going to look to win, Okay,

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as they say in Boston. However, in the fourth quarter,
the Panthers outscore their opponents thirty to six, So Patriots
better have a lead getting down the stretch. All right,
all right, I just got a reply to this, Okay,
Freddie just replying as he leaves me with no emails

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to read and no calling to take.

Speaker 3 (01:38:24):
No, that's okay, that's okay. I'll get right back on
the horse here. Gavin says, do you have any predictions
in what the team will do with the open roster spot.

Speaker 1 (01:38:35):
I have had an open roster spot for a little
while now I don't. I don't have any predictions for that.
You know, maybe they wait another week, they just elevate
someone from the practice squad, and then Juli Tavai gets
that next week's assuming he's ready to come off of
IR No. No, I don't have a good answer for
you on that one.

Speaker 3 (01:38:54):
Sorry, lots of emails coming in. Robert says on Henderson
when the Patriots drafted him in the second round, I
initially would have had Scataboo as our running back early
in the season. I thought I was wrong, But three
weeks in I wonder if I was from Scatter who's
been playing well for the Terrible Giants and is currently
the top rank running back according to PFF. I thought

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he went ridiculously late in the draft. What do you
guys think?

Speaker 1 (01:39:18):
Well, you know, I like Skataboo a lot. I do.
I would just say, and I watched some of this
game the other night against Kansas City. I do not
see that guy having a long career. I think he
went in the draft where I would have taken him
because that's the only style he knows how to play.
He's a train wreck on every single carry. It's a

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three three car pile up. He does not avoid contact.
He's good player. He's a good football player. I like
watching him play. I was really I became sort of
a quasi Arizona State fan last year largely because of him,
and I really like watching him play. But I just
don't see him. Would you be surprised, Freddy, if you

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know his career lasted less than say, four years.

Speaker 3 (01:40:07):
Yes, I think he's a gamer.

Speaker 1 (01:40:09):
Yeah, I think he's gonna get injured.

Speaker 3 (01:40:11):
Okay, well make get in, but I don't think it's
going to end his career. Yeah, but I don't have injuries.

Speaker 1 (01:40:15):
But he's just gonna be constantly hurt. That's what I think. Okay,
but yeah, I use a good player. I like him.
I'm not ready to give up on Henderson yet either.
I think Henderson no, no, Henderson's I think they have
to do maybe some stuff to get him in. I
don't like the idea of him being, you know, the

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lead back. I don't like him going between the tackles
every carry. But you get him on some toss sweeps,
some crack toss, some screens, some wheel routes. I think
you have a chance to make some big plays with him.

Speaker 3 (01:40:50):
Listen, I like Skataboo, but it's kind of more in
a fun way I would. If I had to choose
between him and Henderson, I'm taking Henderson.

Speaker 1 (01:41:00):
Oh really, I like himill really well. They're totally different
kinds of price they are, But I just don't think
Scataboo's gonna hold up. But if you're right, and he's
just a gamer and he doesn't get hurt and he
just like plays through it and stuff, I don't know.
I think he's a good pass catcher too. Yeah, he
was at Arizona State anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:41:20):
Yeah, listen, I'd love to have him on my team,
both him and Henderson.

Speaker 1 (01:41:25):
But I like Henderson. I'll take Henderson and that one.
That's why I think he got drafted two rounds earlier,
because I think the league agreed Henderson's the more skilled, sure,
you know, more talented player.

Speaker 3 (01:41:37):
Over under game from Kyle and Pembroke. I guess this
is for the upcoming game. Drake May passing yards to
fifty and a hay, good defense, don't forget.

Speaker 1 (01:41:50):
Good secondary to fifty and a half. H I gonna
take the under on that.

Speaker 3 (01:41:58):
Okay, uh TD passes for Drake two and a hay.

Speaker 1 (01:42:05):
I'll take the under on that.

Speaker 3 (01:42:07):
Stevenson carries five and a hay.

Speaker 1 (01:42:11):
I'm gonna take the over on that.

Speaker 3 (01:42:12):
Okay, by a lot. No Hunter Henry touchdown catches a hey, I'll.

Speaker 1 (01:42:19):
Take the over on that. I think he keeps his
early momentum going.

Speaker 3 (01:42:23):
But regardless, field goals made one and a hey, take
the over on that. Okay, I'm gonna take the under
on that. They're only gonna have one. I know what
you're doing.

Speaker 1 (01:42:34):
They're only gonna have one. A lot of miskicks this week,
says Fred. No, no, no, Judah.

Speaker 3 (01:42:42):
Do you agree with the statement that the Patriots should
be three?

Speaker 14 (01:42:45):
And?

Speaker 1 (01:42:45):
Oh no, they could be, but not should be.

Speaker 3 (01:42:48):
These past three games have showed me that teams we
have played haven't needed to beat us. We have beat ourselves.
Do you guys think this problem is fixable? Or are
we going to relive these past two years?

Speaker 1 (01:42:59):
I didn't not see the Raiders game like that. I
think the Raiders game they didn't have any opportunity to win. Now,
I'm not telling you they weren't good enough to win it,
but that day the Raiders were better. I think they
could have easily beaten the Steelers on Sunday. I think
the better argument is should they should be two and one? Right? Right? Yeah?
But I think that they have every bit as much

(01:43:22):
to say that they should be three and oho as
they should be zero and three.

Speaker 3 (01:43:26):
Dana, Virginia and Michigan. In week one, the offense was
bad and the defense was bad. In week two, the
offense was good and the defense was bad. In week three,
the offense was bad and the defense was good. That
leads only one more possible combination. Week four, the offense
is good and the defense is good. Here's hoping I
like it. Paul noted that the offense was like pulling teeth,

(01:43:48):
and Evan has noted the lack of big plays. This
is surprise wow, because he's really tickled. He's just tickled.

Speaker 4 (01:44:04):
You guys, you guys.

Speaker 1 (01:44:08):
Well, who's back? Hello everyone, I'm back from the locker room.

Speaker 6 (01:44:11):
Indeed, yes, hello, uh oh yeah yeah. Stefan Diggs of
course spoke today. It's becoming a weekly thing now, so
that was good. Asked a lot of questions.

Speaker 1 (01:44:22):
Have you ever played in the slot before? Would you
be comfortable anybody watched the games? I don't think so.

Speaker 6 (01:44:27):
I don't think like the game, like the Patriots games,
So that was that was big part. But you know,
he talked a lot about just young room. How do
you feel about the room right now? And you know
they're working the ball around, everybody's trying to get opportunities,
but you know, just being encouraging. I think it's just
really been impressive to me. He's been a really good leader,
really good tone setter, the calmness about him. Talked about

(01:44:49):
his own experience as a rookie in training camp, said
he had a great training camp and got to the season,
wasn't really playing and didn't get opportunities early in his career.
So I just think that experience is really good. And
I think those younger players in that room listen to
I mean Stefan Diggs, you know, it's it's everybody knows.

Speaker 1 (01:45:04):
Who he is.

Speaker 6 (01:45:05):
So I think he's, uh, he's preaching the right things.
And then the other uh, we heard two other people
Christian Zalez as well. It sounds like he's ready to go.
So he talked, they said are you can we The
last question was can we expect to see you Sunday?
And he just said I'm excited, that's all he said.
He didn't guarantee he was going to play.

Speaker 1 (01:45:22):
But he did talk last week too. Yeah, okay he
did so, uh you know, quiet can't hear everything he's saying.
I'm kind of sneaking around.

Speaker 6 (01:45:31):
And then one more thing I would just say I
noticed was that a number of players had game balls
from Miami the Miami game, including Drake May in their
locker room.

Speaker 1 (01:45:40):
Oh wasn't just Drake.

Speaker 6 (01:45:42):
I also saw one James Batt Garrett Bradberry's locker as well.
But I know there were a number of game balls
given out in the post game, and there was some
discussions had a game ball, and it sounds like it
sounds like one of those where.

Speaker 1 (01:45:53):
A bunch of guys also got game balls, including Drake,
including Drake.

Speaker 3 (01:45:56):
Very interesting, So your guy, it's very interesting. Oh you
think that was a makeup call, It's very interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:46:07):
I couldn't help myself that one. I was standing listening
to Diggs and I looked up and I was like,
that's really that's good. That's a good But I saw
one in Remandre's as well. Was he one of the
ones they announced? Yeah, he was the first one. Brad Berry.

Speaker 6 (01:46:22):
I didn't do a full like locker room check but
I did notice those guys did that one so also
from Morgan Moses again in other one you get I
did not actually, but I think.

Speaker 1 (01:46:30):
I earned one the same show, right, great were you
you was strong to quite strong in the post game show.
So yeah, that was that was it. Going out.

Speaker 6 (01:46:39):
Looks like they're gonna be in shells. Another big day,
big day of practice for the boys.

Speaker 1 (01:46:43):
A light Wednesday or they have just like they have
the pads. Yeah, not the shoulder pads, just the shells
and shells.

Speaker 3 (01:46:52):
Was it a crowded locker room with media who was
pretty crowded.

Speaker 1 (01:46:54):
It was pretty crowded, And I mean that's.

Speaker 6 (01:46:58):
Oh no, it's I think it's Papacino's Fredos. Oh, but
I think that's.

Speaker 1 (01:47:03):
The last Papa Gino's open in the world. It might
be in the world. I like me had good Papa Gino's.

Speaker 6 (01:47:10):
But but the thing I noticed is being around here
the last couple of years, my first couple of years
here you had Tom Brady, Julian Edelman, Stefan Gilmour. He
had a lot of star players in the locker room.
Was always consumed with getting to hear from those players.
Last couple of years, not maybe not so much, but
you know, now it's becoming Wednesdays. We talked to Stefan Diggs,
we talked to Christian Zalez. So some of these star

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players starting to emerge a little bit. And it's just
he can feel it in the locker room at there,
guys you want to hear from every week to to
talk to, whereas last couple of years maybe not not
so much.

Speaker 1 (01:47:40):
Cool.

Speaker 3 (01:47:40):
Who was Evan talking to?

Speaker 1 (01:47:42):
He just he's he's working his magic going around. I
don't know if I saw him talking anybody. I'm going
to guess an offensive lineman.

Speaker 6 (01:47:49):
No, I I saw somebody talking to I think it
was Charles Woods maybe, and I thought it was Evan
for a second, but it.

Speaker 1 (01:47:54):
Was Bob Sotcy Chucky Trees, Chuckie Trees. So but no
good vibe.

Speaker 6 (01:48:00):
I mean, definitely a lot of energy in there, and
it seems like the media is enjoying this.

Speaker 1 (01:48:04):
No longer having to go outside.

Speaker 6 (01:48:06):
And yeah, you know they get to cut right through football,
just straight ahead. Don't don't look beyond the pipe and draping.

Speaker 1 (01:48:12):
You might get in trouble. Okay, So yeah, so we
got the we all have the impression that based on
what Mike said that we would expect to see Gonzo,
and that was the one. I know you listened to
Rabel before you left. We didn't get your takes on anything.
That was the only real takeaway that I had. I
don't know if you think so anything stand out to you. No,
nothing else jumped out to me.

Speaker 6 (01:48:32):
I think that's just a big boost for the team,
you know, get them, get them back up there.

Speaker 3 (01:48:36):
A lot of people are wondering, was Phil Perry in
fact winking at Rabel?

Speaker 1 (01:48:42):
Do we know the answer? Maybe someone said after Phil
shot his shot with Rabel, just given the old wig.
I don't know. That's a great question though, maybe we
gotta ask Phil that.

Speaker 3 (01:48:54):
Okay, so we don't have an answer to that.

Speaker 1 (01:48:57):
No.

Speaker 6 (01:48:57):
No, I didn't hear any scuttle but in the locker
room about it either or it didn't seem like you
weren't talking about it.

Speaker 1 (01:49:03):
No, I'm not here, Okay, I'm not a player, but
I do crush a lot, a lot I've been known for. Yeah,
so now they're out to the field and.

Speaker 6 (01:49:16):
Not to the field, I'm gonna go out there too. Also,
just had a little side conversation with Brochie about the
red Sox and we're getting five games down, so some
palpable excitement here.

Speaker 1 (01:49:25):
If the team went night like we're going to get
some October baseball.

Speaker 6 (01:49:28):
And Dan was saying it'd be good just for h
I think we feel the same way about the Patriots.
A young team just to get there and you don't
know how it's going to turn out once you do
get there.

Speaker 1 (01:49:36):
But that experience of making it good to build off
of us.

Speaker 3 (01:49:42):
Well, you know, when it comes to the Red Sox,
it all comes down to pitching, hitting, and defense, right.

Speaker 6 (01:49:47):
Yeah, yeah, catching maybe two defense, that's defense, bro fair enough.

Speaker 1 (01:49:55):
He wouldn't know about that.

Speaker 3 (01:49:58):
Ken Zi wants to know how far is Drake may
progressed in these first three games. Are we seeing growth
and decision making, poise and command of the offense, or
are the same rookie mistakes lingering.

Speaker 1 (01:50:10):
I think there are some mistakes that are lingering, but
I think he has progressed a good deal from what
we saw last year. I don't think we see as
many of those examples of him being harried and you know,
off target. But I think there's been a progression. Yeah,
don't you think there's been a progression from last year?
I think he's played better. Absolutely. I was like, you're
kind of looking at me as like, ma, No, I
didn't who they were talking about. I thought it was
maybe sitting the wrong I was trying to find it.

(01:50:30):
I missed.

Speaker 3 (01:50:31):
Now I think we're seeing. To me, I'm seeing a
semblance of a real offense as compared to last year.
And he's the quarterback, so in that way he's part
of that progression.

Speaker 1 (01:50:41):
Yeah, you know, I talked about it before.

Speaker 6 (01:50:43):
I mean I was always impressed with even Mac, Like
in the first camp I saw Hi where he looked
pretty calm in the pocket, and then I kind of dissolved.

Speaker 1 (01:50:50):
But with Drake, I feel like he's really progressed.

Speaker 6 (01:50:53):
And even in the OTAs this spring and summer, it
just felt like, Wow, he doesn't seem like we're starting over,
doesn't seem like it's too much for him, and as
you've seen for large portions of the game, he looks
fairly comfortable. I do think there are parts of the
game where he gets sped up a little bit and
his feet get off and he gets a little bit inaccurate,
but it's kind of early and late.

Speaker 1 (01:51:12):
Yeah, yeah, right.

Speaker 3 (01:51:14):
Adam in California has a question for Deuce. Vrabel is
now zero and two when wearing red. What do you
think about that? Do we need to get him to
wear it?

Speaker 6 (01:51:25):
I know, I know, I don't know. I haven't taking notes.
We'll see if there are any trends emerged. But he's
clearly a big vest guy, so you know Bill, that
was the big thing with Bill. I mean, he was
known for the cutoff hoodie, but he really didn't wan
to the cutoff hoodie.

Speaker 1 (01:51:37):
More than anything else.

Speaker 2 (01:51:38):
Though.

Speaker 1 (01:51:38):
It's a little bit of a tidbit there for I know.

Speaker 3 (01:51:41):
I know, I know Eddie and La I feel like
taking away the run game is the key to stopping
the Panthers. Also, keeping Bryce in the pocket, don't let
him escape and run around. He's been keeping plays alive
and Tet is his go to man when he runs
out of the pocket. The game is winnable, let's get right.

Speaker 1 (01:52:00):
Yeah, I'd agree with that.

Speaker 3 (01:52:02):
I mean, you keep him in the pocket.

Speaker 1 (01:52:03):
Yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 6 (01:52:04):
Think that's smart. But I agree with the point with McMillan.
I mean, I wasn't. I'm never I don't get super
high on those guys usually in the draft, like thet
they're not the ones that tickle my fancy.

Speaker 1 (01:52:12):
But he's actually looked really good to me. Evan mentioned it.

Speaker 6 (01:52:15):
But he's got some nice bend, he's fluid. He just
doesn't look stiff. A lot of those big guys, they
just look stiff. They can't move in space that well,
and he seems like he can. So I think they've
got to find there. That's been a little bit of
the disappointment. But yeah, he's he's a target. They got
to figure him out, that's for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:52:31):
Go to guy. Okay, you know with Legett, I just
want to throw in this. We're often critical of Oh,
they had an opportunity to draft x or why and
supposedly he was a guy they were really interested in
last year and evidently they were interested in trading up
to get couldn't make the deal. I think it was Buffalo. Yeah,
might be one that they You know, we talk a

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lot about Polk and mconkee. Oh McConkie, right, yep. We
talked about you had Lad McConkie there and you to
Jalen Polk. Well they got away with one touch the bullet.

Speaker 3 (01:53:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:53:04):
Maybe, like Legette is surprising though, I mean I haven't
said it. It's just it almost looks a little bit
like poping Drake right now to me with him, like
it's just like they're not the timing's off with these guys.

Speaker 1 (01:53:13):
He doesn't quite have a feel for him yet, but
maybe he'll develop it.

Speaker 3 (01:53:17):
Okay, let's go to Saint Louis.

Speaker 1 (01:53:19):
Curtis is there?

Speaker 3 (01:53:20):
What's up, Curtis?

Speaker 10 (01:53:22):
Hey, how you guys doing?

Speaker 1 (01:53:23):
Good? Man?

Speaker 7 (01:53:25):
Hey?

Speaker 8 (01:53:25):
It just in regards to the email earlier about uh,
you know, trading for a receiver. I am kind of
with Paul on I'd like to see a little more
from our guys. I'm also not sure if Rabel would
be making any kind of moves like that unless we
are looking at like maybe making a wild card in
a playoff, you know, closer to the trade deadline.

Speaker 10 (01:53:49):
I would say, though, if there.

Speaker 8 (01:53:50):
Was one guy that maybe closer to that time, you know,
that they could possibly be interested, it would be DJ
Moore from uh Chicago. I think he kind of getting
arm Sorry, yeah, I think he is kind of getting
faded out a little bit in.

Speaker 1 (01:54:04):
That offense and just could that Sunday it wasn't.

Speaker 3 (01:54:09):
Yeah, I mean, I mean that's Chicago's another team that's
showing life.

Speaker 1 (01:54:13):
Yeah, I do.

Speaker 10 (01:54:16):
But I just I agree.

Speaker 8 (01:54:18):
I just think with with you know, Rome Madoon Day
and you know, even Lucan Burton, I know, who's kind
of had a big game. It's just one game. But
I just think that, uh, you know, he just was
an option, just something I thought that. Yeah, I think
he could be a good weapon.

Speaker 1 (01:54:32):
Yeah, but no, I agree with that. I think he
would be a good weapon for me. I just don't
know why Chicago wants to move on. Like I agree
with Fred, I think Chicago's in a very similar position
as you are, and you should be in the business
of accumulating assets rather than than dealing them off. I
think he's a good player. I don't know why Chicago
would want to try.

Speaker 3 (01:54:54):
Like now in a few years. It could be it
could be a like a Bengal situation where you've got
three really good receivers.

Speaker 1 (01:55:00):
Is you can't pay them all, you know, Well, yeah,
if you.

Speaker 8 (01:55:04):
If you get ahead of that horse, right they've got.

Speaker 1 (01:55:07):
But you're not close to that with Adunz in his
second year, right like you Yeah, right, thanks, Curtis. I
think you're looking at the end of next year before
you can even do anything with Adz, and at that point,
DJ Moore is probably going to be a little older
than what you want to do. Like I think, I
think Chicago is probably looking at it. And I like

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the the player. DJ Moore is a good player. I
think he would help a guy like Drake May a lot.
I think he's a professional receiver.

Speaker 3 (01:55:36):
Yeah, all right, one more call, we'll call it a show.
Ben's and Philly, what's up? Ben?

Speaker 13 (01:55:42):
Hey, you just wanted to ask what your guys thoughts
on The next Patriots assistant coach to be inducted into
Patriots Hall of Fame would be. Uh, my pick would
have to be Ernie Adam. I realized he's on relection committee.

Speaker 3 (01:55:55):
I believe yep, ye, I mean Ernie Adams.

Speaker 1 (01:56:03):
He's a great one.

Speaker 3 (01:56:04):
I'd put him in.

Speaker 1 (01:56:05):
Yeah, he's definitely because he's been here more than just
Bill as a coach.

Speaker 3 (01:56:08):
Yeah, I mean there's a guy that not a lot
of people know about, and he would have to be
like a veterans. But Buck o' kilroy was with the organization.
He wasn't a coach, but he was a GM and
a scout and personnel guy. Pretty prolific.

Speaker 6 (01:56:25):
He is pretty prolific, and as I've died, more and
more into Patriots history. It's amazing how much he pops
up not just for the Patriots but across the league
for his scouting methods and really I think one of
the guys that revolutionized the game and was here for
a long time. You know, there's a lot of there's
quite a few of those guys that were part of
this Patriots organization that you might not realize off the

(01:56:46):
top of your head, but really have big impacts around
the league.

Speaker 1 (01:56:49):
You know, even like the coaches we've talked about.

Speaker 6 (01:56:50):
The schemes defensively and offensively that you know that they
were using in the late seventies were the same roots
schemes that they were using under Bill.

Speaker 1 (01:56:58):
And you know even in eighty five.

Speaker 6 (01:56:59):
Like so, there's a lot of a lot of really
cool threads in football history and Patriots history.

Speaker 3 (01:57:03):
Yeah, I mean I don't, off the top of my head,
I can't think of another. And you know, I'm a
hard greater, but I can't think of any other assistant
coaches that I would put in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 6 (01:57:13):
I mean, if Josh crushes it with Drake and they like, okay,
I have a lot of projecting you I'm talking about
as of right now, as of right now, and I
could say Ernie is a contributor maybe yeah, but.

Speaker 1 (01:57:25):
I don't know. Yep, you know me.

Speaker 3 (01:57:29):
Small, small hall, small hall. All right. That's going to
be it for this edition of Patriots Unfiltered. We'll be
back tomorrow, big day. We got our picks, Paul. Everybody
have a good week.

Speaker 1 (01:57:40):
No, but you continue to Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:57:41):
Okay, well I didn't have a good week.

Speaker 1 (01:57:43):
Yep. We will tie on the last place, all right,
poop emoji. Hey, this is Deuce. Thanks for tuning into
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Speaker 1 (01:57:57):
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