Patriots Unfiltered 9/25: Final Panthers Preview, Locker Room/Team Updates, NFL Week 4 Picks

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Speaker 1 (00:14):
Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.

Speaker 3 (00:18):
Move the ball and score points this week and hold
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We're gonna run it well. Five panthers below.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
Each member of the puteam must declare whether he's a
stutter of stiff So stutter stiff, Bryce Young today, Hunter
Renfro stiff, Treshaun Wharton boop.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
You lost to Charles Stows in hockey.

Speaker 4 (00:41):
So that's why it's the one game I will go
back and change.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
That's how it was. My question is who did the
Patriots play in Week four? Trick question? It was bye week,
they went out. I answered it.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
Oh, so I have two guesses in my head, so
you would have been wrong. I'm gonna say I have
another guest. So if that's wrong, just say it's wrong.
It's wrong, the city Pittsburgh wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
They went on to lose in week five to the
Falcons thirty to seventeen. Okay, it's slipping. Paul good Man.

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Speaker 1 (01:19):
All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Thursday here
at Jillette Stadium and we're getting closer to Week four
matchup with the Carolina Panthers. It's Evan Paul, myself, Duce.
Alex is here because it's picks day and she needs
her flowers.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
I was going to flowers.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
She needs her flowers every Thursday. You have to play
with the stick. It's a it's a it's a bit. Yeah,
it's a bit.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
She has some company at the top this week, though.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
Does she We'll find that out later in the show.

Speaker 5 (01:54):
You're fishing for compliments right now?

Speaker 1 (01:58):
Wow?

Speaker 3 (01:59):
I like it. Okay, I didn't go the way Fred
dot Bro.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
But you know, for me, it's no big thing anyway.
Alex and Matt Lebooth and we'll be talking Patriots and
what do we have? What's what's what news do we
have since we ended the show yesterday at two o'clock?

Speaker 6 (02:17):
Injuries?

Speaker 7 (02:18):
How about an extensive Carolina Panthers injury report? All of
their main receivers and their top tight end are all.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
Are they scared on the list?

Speaker 4 (02:26):
I don't if they're scared, they might just.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
It might just be injured, like oh my arms. But
tests on that list too.

Speaker 8 (02:35):
Yeah, Ted, I think is really the one that matters
the rest of them. They're replaceable players. But Ted calf injury.
Didn't practice at all yesterday, so we'll see if he's
out there for them today. But I said it yesterday.
If they don't have Ted, I don't know where Bryce
Young's throwing the ball in this game. Like he's really
their whole passing offense right now. And if he doesn't
play in this game on Sunday, then the Patriots defense

(02:57):
better better shut him down.

Speaker 6 (03:00):
Honestly, like that that would be doesn't.

Speaker 4 (03:02):
Want to hear it. If Evan doesn't want to hear it.

Speaker 8 (03:04):
Yeah, Like that's a really really limited Panthers offense if
they don't have.

Speaker 7 (03:09):
Ten Yeah, I mean, and even you know Legett hasn't
done anything, but he was out of practice too. They
rested Hunter Renfro and Jatavian Sanders, who's you know, had
some catches for them, especially at the end of that
Cardinals game.

Speaker 4 (03:20):
He was out too.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
So he's the second on the list behind and UH and.

Speaker 7 (03:24):
DJ want them to who's uh, doesn't have a sack yet,
but has some pressures.

Speaker 4 (03:28):
So he's one of their one of their guys trying
to get up to the quarterback.

Speaker 7 (03:31):
So I don't know, maybe we'll get back to those days, Paul,
where it all works out for the Patriots.

Speaker 4 (03:35):
A lot of those want to stand one of those in.
It's been too nice. It'd be nice to have that.

Speaker 7 (03:40):
Now they're completely decimated by injuries. Let's let's just take
the dub.

Speaker 5 (03:43):
Well, Panthers fans don't even want to play.

Speaker 8 (03:46):
They don't want I don't think Panthers fans want to win.
If I mean, if I was a Panthers fan, I
wouldn't want to win.

Speaker 5 (03:51):
Well, the ones who do want to.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
Why because they want to get playing? Yes, and who
do they have their eyes on? Or who would you
have your eyes on?

Speaker 3 (03:59):
It a quarterback?

Speaker 1 (03:59):
Or they given up?

Speaker 5 (04:01):
But you know, probably not.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
Okay, So the one what what are they thanking.

Speaker 8 (04:04):
For baying from Miami pass rusher? Maybe yeah, they got
Clemson's got a couple guys on the defensive line too. Uh,
they don't really have much of a pass rush, so
I'd have to imagine that that's I think they're thirtieth
in the league right now in pressure rate.

Speaker 6 (04:19):
They have one sack in three games.

Speaker 8 (04:21):
So yeah, if you're trying, if you're trying to build
something there in Carolina, I would think it would be.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
But if you if you were a Panther Span and
we actually have one in the building, well not anymore.
He can't he cut ties?

Speaker 4 (04:34):
Yeah, he cut tie.

Speaker 5 (04:37):
Breaking point, you.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
Know, just you know, one of the guys that we
work with and that I don't want to out him
just in case he doesn't want anybody to know that.
So but if you were a Panther Span, would you
rather what Evan said? And sort of you know, all right,
you know, we get a high draft pick, we can
bolster our defense a little bit. Or would you rather
have Bryce Young catch fire and you know, really established

(05:00):
that he is the quarterback and maybe you go, well,
I don't know, eight or nine wins, you know, middle
of the road, would that progression be good? Or would
you rather have Evans? You know, we've got to continue
to rebuild with high draft picks.

Speaker 7 (05:12):
I think Brycelon will always be limited because of his size,
But if he did catch fire, that's the hardest piece
to find.

Speaker 4 (05:18):
So you probably would take the quarterback.

Speaker 7 (05:21):
Personally, I look at him and I think he is
always going to be limited. And what you just hate
jumping back into that we don't have a quarterback. We've
got to make sure the right guy and the right
year lines up, and then it actually happens.

Speaker 4 (05:32):
So it is a good year for quarterbacks.

Speaker 8 (05:34):
So it could be possible like Josh Rosen situation where
they have the number one pick and they just get
Leonora's Sellers or an arch Manning or know, someone like
that is.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
Arch Manning wasn't definitely coming out.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
He's more than likely not coming out. See, I think
the Mannings are a little different. We'll see they say
that they're not doing something they generally don't mean.

Speaker 8 (05:56):
He's getting paid a ton of nil, so he doesn't
necessarily need to rush to the end fell.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
But plus he's you know, yeah, not exactly wondering where
his next meal is coming from without nil.

Speaker 6 (06:06):
Yeah. I just I don't know.

Speaker 8 (06:08):
I I hear what you're saying about Bryce Young and
maybe trying to I just don't see it.

Speaker 3 (06:12):
Oh No, Just so if I'm a Panthers fan, like hypothetical, you're.

Speaker 8 (06:16):
Gonna win this game against the Patriots, and it's going
to be like one of your three or four wins
this season, and then it's like to what end? You know,
That's the way I would look at it, and I
don't mean to be disrespectful to the Panthers, but this.

Speaker 4 (06:28):
Team is what I get saying.

Speaker 7 (06:29):
The thing that confused me is like if he catches
fire and he's dealing and you know, so that maybe
it changes the scenario.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
Strug It's not like they you know, they win a
bunch of thirteen to ten games and they find a
way to win eight or nine games, but you really
don't know about the Q. I'm saying the quarterback is
complete at this time next year, there's no doubt, Like
everybody around the league is an agreement. Bryce Young took
him a while, but he's really established himself as a
starting quarterback that anybody would want. You know, that's the hypothetical.

(07:00):
I agree with Evan. I don't really find that overly realistic.
I think your reasoning is why you can't fix height,
you know, in stature. I just think he's a little
too small.

Speaker 7 (07:10):
It's funny with that because having watched some of their
Cardinals games, Tyler is one who's kind of found a
way to stay competitive, maybe partially because he just has
he's more crazy.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
Mobile, mobile and more athletics.

Speaker 7 (07:24):
Yeah, but he's still been able to make it work.
They're they're still going down that road with the car
agree to a degree. But another team that you feel
like they're always kind of middling and up and down
and can't quite get over the hump.

Speaker 4 (07:36):
And I mean they're stuck in a good division right now.

Speaker 7 (07:38):
But I do think Jonathan Gannon's done a pretty good
job with with some of the stuff we've seen felt some.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
Guys see the Cardinals tonight, I don't want to give
away anything for the picks.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
Well, let's talk about the Patriots. Uh participation report from yesterday?

Speaker 8 (07:51):
Yeah, no, no, Chase Honor Jared Wilson practice yesterday. Both
of them didn't participate. So Ben Brown probably next man
up at left guard if Jared Wilson can't play, and
then Gonzo limited far more limited to but.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
He yeah, he's been usually when not injury related program.

Speaker 8 (08:13):
Yeah, so he'll play. But yeah, Gonzo limited again.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
But are you surprised that it was he wasn't a
full participant? No, no, no, But.

Speaker 8 (08:24):
It's not really not a bad injury report for the
Patriots for only four guys that had any sort of
limitation in practice.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
I'm a little concerned with the Jared Wilson situation. Yeah yeah,
but I agree with it, and it's not overly big.
You know, the injury list is a handful of names.

Speaker 4 (08:40):
But not We saw him in the locker room yesterday.

Speaker 7 (08:42):
He did a one on one with Tommy Current on
the side, Jared Wilson.

Speaker 4 (08:45):
I mean, so maybe that's a sign.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
I just think a rookie to not practice he's he's hurt. Yeah,
you know what I mean, he's got he's dealing with something.
I'm not telling you that he won't play in the game.
I don't have anything.

Speaker 8 (08:57):
Dealing with multiple somethings apparently, yeah on there an ankle
in any.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
I mean one thing I say, But do you know
what I'm saying, Like they don't just have rookies not
practice on Wednesdays. Yeah, you know, now just take a rest,
Yeah right.

Speaker 7 (09:09):
I think Chase On is a little bit of a
concern though he's an athletic guy. When you look at
going down the depth chart, now, if it's key On White,
Anthony Jennings, like those guys are gonna have tough time
chasing Bryce Young if he breaks the pocket. I think
the plan would probably be to keep him contained, and
maybe those guys will be able to do that. But
that was something last year I remember key On White
kind of struggling with you know, when it's it's don't

(09:30):
just pin your ears back and try to go get
the quarterback and run right through the offensive lineman.

Speaker 4 (09:34):
Sometimes that's a challenge for him.

Speaker 7 (09:36):
So I do think it'll be a little bit of
a hit if Chase On isn't going to be able
to go.

Speaker 4 (09:40):
It's just the first speed and his mobility. He's definitely
the most athletic guy opposite Landry There.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
Patriots would be going indoors today for practice. The weather
here in Foxboro is pretty bad today. I checked the
weather for Sunday. There is a chance of rain, but
it looks like it could be ending around noon, so
maybe by game two time it won't be raining.

Speaker 4 (10:03):
We like to make it interesting with the fumbles, don't we.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
Yeah, a little wet, so there could be rain. You
know that. It changes very quickly here in New England.
But right now it's looking like no rain for game time,
which is a good thing.

Speaker 4 (10:17):
Good thing. Yeah, hopefully, hopefully it ends a little eli
than that, gets some tailgate.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
Moderate temperature mid sixties.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
Get a better walk across the parking lot.

Speaker 7 (10:25):
Today, my feet are still sopping wet. I told that,
and I'm gonna start wearing flip flops to work through
the park.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
You get here, when I get here, it was fine
your head last night, a little earlier.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
Today this morning, it wasn't rain where. It wasn't when
I was, like when I was at seven o'clock, it
was pouring down.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
It was drizzling here, but it wasn't really raining that hard.

Speaker 4 (10:48):
When I got any gloshes or something.

Speaker 9 (10:50):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (10:50):
I just don't have a good rain boots.

Speaker 7 (10:53):
There's not really a cool rainbow for dudes to wear, like,
you know, I feel like our friends sailors always got
those little like rubber shoes you know, that are like
kind of fancy, and there's for girls like always looks
stupid when you're wearing like, you know, the big ass
fishing boots, like stylish rain proof yellow hat.

Speaker 6 (11:15):
Forbid, my feet get wet.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
We talked about there's nothing more than getting your feet
wet early in the day and having wet socks all day.
That's that's a.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
Bad little heater under my desk.

Speaker 5 (11:25):
That's bad for it definitely has some waterproof.

Speaker 4 (11:28):
That's a good point. Let's talk, brunt.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
We need to work where you have you you have
the boots, just wear them.

Speaker 4 (11:33):
I wouldn't wear those boots in this though. It's wet
and I don't.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
That's the water, the leather though.

Speaker 6 (11:40):
Come on, all right, all right, can't lose this game?

Speaker 4 (11:45):
Nopee.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
Kevin's like, I need to leave in about an hour.
Can we focus? Focus?

Speaker 10 (11:50):
All right?

Speaker 1 (11:50):
What else?

Speaker 6 (11:51):
Can't lose this game? That's it. What I agree with
that is, like, this isn't can't lose this game.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
You talked about this on my shoes, Oh Freddy, with
Mike and Tony. I was like this, I can make
excuses like they all played Pittsburgh. They just have themselves
to blame. They drop them. You can't lose this game.
You can't. They have to tighten up the things that
have been costing you points slash games against it. I

(12:18):
think an inferior opponent at home, you have to win
this game. Three and sixteen in the last nineteen home games.
Is that the number?

Speaker 6 (12:25):
Yes, it is.

Speaker 8 (12:26):
But like this is a take care of if you
want to make any noise this season, like these are
take care of business type of games. Sure, Like I
don't really care what it looks like. Like they could
win this game sixteen to thirteen. It wouldn't be pretty,
but you can't if you want to get to meaningful
football in December and January for this team, Like, I
don't know how you get there if you don't take

(12:47):
care of business again, right, And it's too.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
Early to say, well, this is who they are, you know,
it's too early for that. But we're getting there. You know,
a few more weeks we'll be able to say, Okay,
we have a we can start defining this team a
little bit.

Speaker 7 (13:02):
Yeah, I mean I would just say I do think
it would hurt though if it's they make a bunch
of more turnovers and they like win in spite of
making all the same mistakes that they've been And.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
I understand Evan's point, like a win is a win
and that is the bottom line, But I would not
feel great about it if it was.

Speaker 6 (13:16):
No, I wouldn't feel great about it.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
A clunky one, but it's on to the next.

Speaker 8 (13:20):
Like this Panthers team has a lot of holes, on
their roster, Like the Patriots have a better team than
the Panthers.

Speaker 6 (13:27):
They do, and they have a better quarterback. I think
they have a better coach.

Speaker 4 (13:30):
Does this feel weird?

Speaker 7 (13:31):
It feels weird to me, Like saying all this, I
think it's making me nervous talking because I don't think
we've talked about a game like this, and I don't
remember the last time.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
Well, and when we do, they've lost. You know, it's
like Jacksonville in London last there you go, or Tennessee
last year. You know, those kinds of games.

Speaker 8 (13:47):
But I don't know if you had at that time
the quarterback and coach advantage that you have now over
a team like Carolina, Like we didn't really know if
Gerrod was going to be a good coach at that point.
We didn't really know if Drake was going to be
good at that I.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
Was talking in terms of the yeah.

Speaker 8 (14:04):
And I you know this one, like I'm already like
pre mad if they lose this game, because like this is.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
We talked about it yesterday. We talked about it yesterday.
But Calvin and Saint Albans England rights and he says,
I didn't hear much about the Panthers win on Sunday,
but a team that wins thirty to nothing has to
be doing something right. What's been keeping Rabel up at
night as he gets ready for Sunday.

Speaker 8 (14:25):
Well, dirty kickoffs, that's what we're that's what we're getting
to try to find something that they do well.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
And Fred, I'm glad you brought that up, ev because
you had a question for me yesterday and I didn't
have the answer to you know, he was talking because
Rabel spoke about the kickoff team is keeping him up
watching two hours of film because they've been so effective,
you know, pinning team's average starting position for opponents for
the Panthers through three weeks is the twenty one yard line.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
That's good.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
So that's that's really good in this in this day
and age. With the thirty five yard touchback and all
the returns.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
That's because if their average return is sixteen yards, that
means you know, they are kicking you know, inside the five.
So that's a that's a good coverage unit.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
I guess the key has been what Evan said, that
dirty kickoff where they making the returner field it on bounce,
on the bounce and not necessarily always fielding it properly.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
Yeah, but that that means that kicker has a good
accuracy because easily those balls can bounce out of bounds,
you know, you end up on.

Speaker 6 (15:25):
The forty or it's all the kicker.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
Yeah, it's all the kicker. And good kicker is good.

Speaker 8 (15:30):
At kickoffs, like that's what because you have to land
it in the landing zone too, so you can't truly
squib it right. You have to get some air under
it to get it into the landing zone and then
have it bounce.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
So they did.

Speaker 8 (15:42):
Frable said they spend yet two hours of film on
Tuesday night trying to come up with how they're going
to handle that. And I'm Jeremy Springer is going to
talk here in thirty minutes, and I'm sure that's going
to be all the questions are going to be about it,
So that that's a big part of them. And they
turn the ball over on defense. They have produced some
turnovers on defense, certainly against Penix last week, had two

(16:03):
picks on Penix. So if you're looking for how they
won thirty to nothing, I did turnovers.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
Yeah, and it wasn't their offense. I mean, let's be
you know, Bryce Young had one hundred and twenty yards throwing.
That's not usually what happens when you scored thirty points.
You know, they scored other ways.

Speaker 8 (16:20):
Yeah, they had a pick six and then they also
had an interception return that went into deep into Atlanta territory.

Speaker 6 (16:27):
You know, they.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
Otherwise known as twenty twenty one Patriots offense.

Speaker 6 (16:30):
Yeah, yeah, I felt like twenty twenty two.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
Yeah, So we're not We're not too worried about the
offensive power, but we're worried about, you know, our starting
position and kickoffs, and we're worried about their defense a
little bit.

Speaker 7 (16:45):
I just think these are two teams that are in
the same part of the league, I mean, trying to
prove themselves and climb out of the lower third, and these.

Speaker 4 (16:52):
Kind of games just I think come down to mistakes
and those.

Speaker 7 (16:55):
I mean, you saw it last week with Atlanta's game,
or they were game against Atlanta.

Speaker 4 (16:58):
You saw with the Patriots last week.

Speaker 7 (16:59):
When the teams Brable talks about bad football, which team
is going to take advantage of bad football? Last week,
the Steelers took advantage of the Patriots bad football.

Speaker 4 (17:07):
So that to me is the bottom line.

Speaker 7 (17:09):
Just try to force them into mistakes and then when
you get them, take advantage of them.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yeah, Jordan says, I understand people's reservations on Young because
of his a typical size, but he's pretty good creator
on the move and throws over the middle quite well,
much better than Kyler. Actually, the weapons in Carolina aren't
very good, but the old line protected pretty well against
the falcons. Are we writing him off too much? Rice Young?

Speaker 3 (17:32):
Yeah, I don't think we're writing him off. I just
don't know if he's going to be taking that next
step toward he's one of the better quarterbacks in the league.
He's established himself. I think there's still going to be
you said it, Mike, there's still questions about Kyler Murray,
whether or not he is actually worth continuing to build around.

(17:54):
And I don't think that Bryce Young has gotten to
a level that even Kyler Murray has. I agree with
the description, though, I think Evan talked about that on Tuesday.
I think does maybe yesterday about the middle of the field.
He's he is effective throwing in the middle, and he
can get off platform and make places he kind of
has to.

Speaker 8 (18:14):
I don't see the off platform thing. I think he
definitely can throw to the middle of the field, and
he's a quick processor underneath and gets the ball out
pretty quickly, so that that's really their game. And the
catch and run throws, especially the teed have been there
a little bit so far to start the season. But
I don't see him as like this off script, off

(18:36):
platform type of guy because he doesn't have the arm
talent for it, so like when he gets outside the pocket,
I just don't really see him making throws down the
field from outside the pocket very often. Now, he did
run for a touchdown in the red zone last week,
but it was like, I don't know, like a five
yard touchdown run or something like that, so you know

(18:57):
there is some element of that. But he if you
like him throw in rhythm to the middle of the field,
he can be effective. But if you take that away,
I don't really know what else they have.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
Stacey says. The Panthers seem to struggle to stop the
run so far this year, and Bryce Sung has had
trouble against the sguised defensive coverage. With that said, offensively,
do you think the Patriots will primarily rely on the
ground game? And defensively through three games, the Patriots have
leaned on zone coverage. But with Gonzo being back, do
you think they'll focus more on mixing up the defensive looks?

(19:29):
So ground game a lot of that ground and pound.

Speaker 4 (19:31):
I mean, I wouldn't say a lot.

Speaker 7 (19:33):
I just say, you know, continue to try to stay balanced,
don't get one handed, and you know, just try to
throw the ball all over the field.

Speaker 4 (19:39):
I mean, there's just as.

Speaker 7 (19:40):
Much reason to want to attack their passing game as
there is their rushing attack.

Speaker 4 (19:45):
Not a great team.

Speaker 7 (19:46):
The defensive stats you can look across, there's plenty to target,
So just focus on yourself and executing your offense and
doing what you want to do. Man coverage wise, I
just do they have the talent that's necessarily going to
make you want to play matchups or can you you
just say our dbs are better than their receivers. Let's
just play sides and you know, not get not get
over complicated with it.

Speaker 4 (20:07):
But I'm sure.

Speaker 7 (20:08):
I mean, they'll always mix a man in Caroline is
a heavy z own team too, Drake seen a lot
of that, So.

Speaker 8 (20:13):
They've played a lot more man. The Patriots have played
a lot more man over the last two weeks than
they did in the opener, So those numbers are starting
to to skew back to where you might expect based
off of their personnel with them playing more man to man.
So I don't know if that is. You know, the
numbers might still be a little bit. We're only working
with the three game sample size, so I would say

(20:35):
that they've played more man, especially against Pittsburgh where it
was Carlon Davis on DK and Marcus Jones on Calvin Austin.

Speaker 3 (20:42):
That was the game.

Speaker 6 (20:43):
I noticed, Yeah, that that was really it.

Speaker 8 (20:45):
So I could see it though this week playing a
lot more man again because like I keep saying, it's
really Ted that scares you. And even with Carlon Davis,
I feel like he matches up pretty well against Ted
and it can probably play well.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
We need to know what how many reps they plan
for Ganzo. Is he going to be a full participant
in the game or is he just going to do
spot duty?

Speaker 3 (21:09):
Yeah, see, I would think he's a full participant in
the game if he's active for the game. I don't
know that corner is not generally a position. You do
that a lot. If you look back at like the
snap counts after every game, the two starting corners are
either at one hundred or they maybe had a like

(21:30):
a short yardage play that one or one or two
of them came off the field. They generally play one hundred.
That the starting corners play one hundred percent of the snaps. Yeah,
Now maybe you want to say, well, we're not going
to have him in the starting lineup, We're going to
have him as a third corner. I don't think that
makes a lot of sense with him. I think if
he's good enough to play, and I think he's going
to be one hundred percent if he plays, so I

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would I would have him out there as much as
he can take. In terms of his conditioning, like Mike
talked about, Yes, I mean that that would need to
be monitored, but I wouldn't go in with an idea
of well, I'm gonna have him on third downs, Like,
I would have him ready to play full time, and
then if he you know, if he's tired or whatever,

(22:14):
he needs a blow, then you give him a rest.

Speaker 7 (22:17):
Especially with Buffalo waiting next week, like to get him
as much experience and snaps as you can to to
try to prepare a little bit for that matchup.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
Okay, Terrence from Colt's Territory says a longtime listener has
questions for each of us except for Alex. I'm sorry
they left you out, he says. Fred. What's the scene
like in Tampa Bay? The wife and I will be
there for the game against the Bucks. Any good eating
spots or team events. I mean, I don't know, as

(22:46):
it is.

Speaker 6 (22:46):
My first trip to Tampa Bay.

Speaker 11 (22:47):
Actually Elite press box, but like, if you know Barryon,
siong or anyone out there knows of any parties going
on in Tampa Bay, let us know and we'll pass
along the news.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
If you can get a reservation for Burns. It's one
of the best steakhouses in the country. Uh so I
would always recommend that cover that. I don't even know
if your salary.

Speaker 12 (23:16):
There's some good coffee shops. Yeah, a coffee shop called Grove.
It got destroyed by like one of the most recent hurricanes.
I don't know if they've rebuilt, but good coffee shops.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
I mean I used to go to school there, but
that was forty years ago, so everything's changed.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
You went to like Mon's Venus though, when you went
to Never, No Never, No Never. Dude, are you speaking
of Elite Dude?

Speaker 1 (23:41):
Are you confident the secretary secondary will turn things around
when Gonzo comes.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
Backh ish Ish very paul like response.

Speaker 7 (23:50):
Yeah, I just I mean, I want to see Craig
Woodson develop, and you know, I want to see Jalen
Hawkins kind of fit into his role.

Speaker 4 (23:59):
But I mean, I've fel it'll be better.

Speaker 7 (24:00):
I just I don't know how it's all going to
flush out with Charles Woods Marcus Jones. You know, once
they settle into what they've got, but if they keep
getting pressure up front, I don't I don't think it
matters all that much.

Speaker 4 (24:12):
So I'm not worried, but I want to see what
it looks like.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
Evan. Yes, well, adding Chisholm and giving Henderson more carries
make the offense more dynamic.

Speaker 8 (24:21):
More dynamic, Yeah, that's the question. Adding Chishm is not
going to make the offense more dynamic. It might make
them more situationally aware, like you know, it might make
them more detailed, but I don't think it's going to
make them more explosive, like that's not his game.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
But about more reliable.

Speaker 8 (24:39):
Oh sure, Yeah, I think we're on the same page there. Yeah,
Like I think fourth and one with the game on
the line, like this chishom just charged forward and pick
up the first down.

Speaker 6 (24:49):
Maybe.

Speaker 12 (24:50):
Yeah, I have a question, Okay, why are I feel
like all the narrative with the receiving core is like,
get Chisholm more involved.

Speaker 5 (24:58):
Why not Kyle Williams or Digs Hmm.

Speaker 6 (25:03):
Interesting, Yeah, it's a valid point.

Speaker 4 (25:05):
Williams. Yeah, I like it.

Speaker 5 (25:07):
Like Chisholm's the buzzword receiver right now, the.

Speaker 4 (25:14):
Unknown like the summer boom. We had that summer flame
within Chisholm and man, it was going great.

Speaker 8 (25:19):
And you know, I just like to see something season archetype,
and he fits fits the suit of what they.

Speaker 4 (25:27):
Think.

Speaker 8 (25:27):
He's the next Edelman or Amondola, and they want to
see him play. And I I think that there's some
truth to the fact that he plays like those guys
Like I'm not trying to, like, you know, say that
there's no evidence of that whatsoever. But I think what
we're seeing with Trevon Henderson, like to the email or
like it's doing it against backups in the preseason is
not the same as doing it on Sundays in September.

Speaker 6 (25:47):
It's just it's a different game.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
People, And you're right, but people just want to see.

Speaker 8 (25:52):
Sure, you know Kenny do it, but you know Henderson
had a big game in Minnesota too against their backups,
and Chisholm had a huge game against their backups. And
then Henderson's gotten into the regular season and it's not
been the same.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
And to Alex's point, Kyle Williams and Diggs are there
out of the.

Speaker 5 (26:12):
I don't want to leave Booty out of it either.

Speaker 12 (26:14):
I feel like him and Diggs have been really reliable
when you need them to make a play, and so
we can't give him a little more.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
I mean, Paul did the wide receiver stats yesterday. It's
clear that, you know, we need to get our wide
receivers more productive. It can't all be tight ends uh
and throws out of the backfield to running backs. So
I think that's a maybe a point of emphasis for Josh.

Speaker 6 (26:39):
I'd like to see Kyle Williams.

Speaker 8 (26:41):
I think that the little that we have seen of him,
I've liked the routes that he's been running. I think
he's getting open and uh, you know, adds a speed
and more dynamic outside the numbers element that they don't
really get out of Hollins or Booty. So I would
like to see more Kyle Williams specific.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
Those three guys, Booty Williams and Diggs, every time they've
thrown the ball to them or every time they've been involved,
is that they've generally done what they were supposed to do.
You can make an argument with Douglas and with Hollands
it hasn't always looked great when those guys have been involved.
So you have three guys that seemingly are doing what

(27:21):
they're supposed to do. I would like to see what
it looks like when they get those guys more involved
rather than you know, wholesale changes in and out. Now
chishom goes in and Douglas goes out. It's fine. Douglas
hasn't been overly productive. So if you think Chisholm can do,
you know, as a you know, fourth or fifth option,
more than what Douglas is doing, then I don't. I

(27:41):
wouldn't have any opposition to see in what it looks like.

Speaker 7 (27:44):
You think the coaching staff like waits a certain amount
of time before they really start to think about making changes,
giving players enough of a sample size too.

Speaker 4 (27:53):
This guy might be up and down Chishm.

Speaker 3 (27:55):
In particular, and I thought it was interesting some of
the stuff that I read because I was not in
on Evan. You might have been last time we had
offensive coaches. I think Todd Downing talked about he's not
really ready yet, like they're working with him on the
outside a little bit, trying to get.

Speaker 6 (28:11):
Him more versatile.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
Yeah, so it's coming. I think that I don't think
that they've like closed the door on Eft and Chisholm.
I just don't feel like they think he's ready yet.

Speaker 13 (28:20):
Ye.

Speaker 6 (28:20):
Yeah. I think it's more about versatility.

Speaker 8 (28:22):
Like he's a slot only player, and so if you
are going to have Pop be your slot guy and
then Diggs is also going to play a little bit
inside Diggs, it's like where, you know, where do the
snaps come? Did you know that from from Chisholm? You know,
where do you play unless you bench Pop?

Speaker 6 (28:38):
Like that's really it.

Speaker 8 (28:39):
But I think the only thing with the receivers that
stands out to me is they've been very situational. And
I think that that's partially Josh, Like I think he's
always going to kind of be that way, but uh
there you know, Pop is only on the field for
like fifteen percent of their run plays, eighty six percent
of his snaps have been past plays, so now they
would be seven seven percent of his plays have been

(29:01):
past plays. So they're really like they have their run
players and then they have their past players, and that's
like where you're seeing them. You know, divvy up the
snaps between Holland's booty digs and pop.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
I'm sorry to interrupted. I think that's a really good point.
If that's an area that they think Chisholm might be
able to help them, I'd be interested in that too,
because he is a little he's more, he gives more
physicality than to Mario Douglas. He's a little bigger, and
he does play, as Vrabel said all summer with with
good play strength. So if he can be on the

(29:33):
field and you can run the ball more when he's
on the field, that could be an advantage for the
offense that you don't get with to Mario Douglas. I again,
I'm curious to see what it looks like too.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
Yeah. Final question goes to Paul favorite Drew Bledsoe game.
Mine is the ninety nine comeback against the Colts at
Old Foxboro Stadium. Ben Coates had a monster game.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
Oh that's a that's an underrated kind of forgotten that
miracle comeback game. Yeah, that was my second ever game
working for Freddy. I would say, back to my two
favorites of they're back to back games, but I'm going
to go if I have to pick just one, it's
the Miami comeback on a Monday night with the broken

(30:14):
finger and the touchdown passed to Sean Jefferson. Now next
week they did the same thing yep, to Buffalo, but
that was a little fluky because of the pass interference
in the end zone that gave him the untied down
and then he threw the touchdown to Ben Coates to
win the game. It was a back to back weeks.
I know will come back. I was in the stands
bro Okay, I remember those games.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
He had literally had a pin drink. He broke his
finger and he had a pinch him. TA came out.
And then in the third sequence of that game, they
went to Saint Louis to play the Rams.

Speaker 3 (30:47):
For like three hundred yards, but then came out.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
He couldn't have to game the game. They had to
take it out, take him out of the game, but
he was That was a tough performance those three games
by by Paul's Guy surgery though it's yeah, Cody uh
is out of Indianapolis. He says, I don't know if

(31:10):
it's the PTSD from the last few years, but this
game feels trappy. If the strength of Carolina is turning
the ball over on defense, then it seems like they
might be getting New England right at the at the
exact right time. Vrabel has them ready to come out
of the gates quickly. Also, he says he's owed a
T shirt Matt.

Speaker 12 (31:27):
Matt, does it feel trappy if Carolina just won a
trap game?

Speaker 14 (31:32):
Though?

Speaker 1 (31:32):
But can you can you be a team coming off
four wins and track Usually draft games are for good team.

Speaker 4 (31:41):
To the bill, but it is where to be.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
They forced for five turnovers, so I'm not necessarily willing
to say that that's like, that's what they did last game.
It's like the Patriots. Are the Patriots turnover prolane? Or
do they turn it over five times last game? I
mean we're hoping.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
Well, that's what I said. It's too early to define
a team as who they are ye going into week four?

Speaker 7 (32:03):
Yeah, No, that's and that goes back to like, at
what point do you say it's too early to start
to make changes? We need to give guys a little
bit of leeway to make some mistakes and maybe have
a bad game and then bounce back from it, rather
than right out of the gate game three, you don't
play well, you have a couple drops or turnovers to whatever.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
Age when you're one and two, there's not a trap game.
I mean they might. I'm not telling you they cannot
lose this game, like they physically can't better not, but
it's not going to because if it's a trap game, yeah, no,
Like they're one and two and they've won three of
their last nineteen home games.

Speaker 7 (32:36):
Now, and that's I mean, it just feels weird to
be the favorite and to say like we have to win.
That's what feels weird to me, not that it's like
a trap game like that. There's a tiny bit of expectation.

Speaker 3 (32:44):
Buffalo's hosting New Orleans this week.

Speaker 6 (32:48):
They're looking ahead to the Patriot.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
I don't care who, they're just looking ahead to what.

Speaker 6 (32:52):
Happened Buffalo team is, do you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 3 (32:54):
Like that would be a trap if they were to
lose at home to New Orleans. They suffered you know,
teen and a half point favorites, right, that's a trap game.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
Buffalo might be the new team that plays home every week.

Speaker 4 (33:06):
Then is starting to feel like it that offense.

Speaker 6 (33:08):
I watched that tape this morning, Dolph.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
All just like Paul tries to take me seriously.

Speaker 3 (33:14):
No, I'm actually thinking because like the Denver one is hilarious.
It gets me. It makes me laught literally every time.
But sometimes you do those and like they've been on
the road three weeks ago or something like that. But
I was like, who the Buffalo play last week?

Speaker 1 (33:27):
They played at home at night?

Speaker 6 (33:29):
Right, I think against Miami.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
Played at home against Miami on the Thursday night.

Speaker 6 (33:32):
It was Monday night.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
Yeah, all right, eight five five pats on the hot one.
I literally just watched it, Okay, literally, Yeah, let's go
to Brad in Ohio. What's up Brad.

Speaker 6 (33:49):
Thursday night?

Speaker 15 (33:51):
You have me either way observation in questions here for you.
First of all, one of the things it's kind of
been alarming, as the Trevion Henderson usage and the way
calling seems redundant when he's in there. And so I'm

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a little bit concerned because every time I got touched.

Speaker 16 (34:14):
As the ball he gets I mean like it really hard.

Speaker 15 (34:19):
And then as pass blogging obviously been a question, you know, and.

Speaker 16 (34:23):
He's supposed to be good at that, and I felt
like Donovan Edwards was the same kind of player. So
I'm wondering about that pick at the second round pick,
I mean, considering what we've seen so far. And then
I wondered if Fan and Junior I mean not to
be hypothetical, but seemed like tight in depth might be

(34:43):
something we have a problem with too. And then I
agree with Alex completely that we should start incorporating Williams
into the offense more. I mean, the guys delite and
we're not even giving him a chance to play. I
think he should take I hate to say this pops
place earlier on the So what do you guys think

(35:06):
about that?

Speaker 1 (35:06):
All right?

Speaker 3 (35:07):
Thanks?

Speaker 1 (35:07):
Well, the first thing ish Trevion Henderson's usage.

Speaker 4 (35:12):
Yeah, I mean, I mean I agree that I'd like
to see him be able to get into space a
little bit more.

Speaker 7 (35:17):
I mean, we were watching that game last week and
felt like he was taking a ton of contact that
doesn't really seem slippery inside the hole, like just seems
like he.

Speaker 4 (35:25):
Kind of goes just straightforward, lowers the shoulder.

Speaker 7 (35:29):
I mean, I like the physicality that he tries to
play with, but it's concerning that he's going to hold
up just say he's a rookie. It's been three games.
I think Josh is creative. There's going to be a
chance for him to make some plays going forward. But
I agree with the general sentiment that a lot of
and I think I saw his carry chart two where
it was all just kind of the same kind of
carries off to the left side of the line, So
I mean they've.

Speaker 4 (35:48):
Been trying to get screens going too, it's just he's been.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
Aware of that is a little different. The second half
of the game against Pittsburgh, to me, is not necessarily
like he was the guy the other two guys run
on the bench after frumbling and he was taking the
regular early down carries and Henderson is not generally in
my this is just my opinion. I don't think he's
in between the tackles, consistent between the tackles option, but

(36:12):
he had to get the regular run plays like as
Evan always talks about, like you know, the gap and
duos and all the you know, that's I don't think
that's his game. And you guys both pointed out he
was really sort of not seeing it really well and
running like right into the first tackler that he could
find and trying to like punish guys. I don't think

(36:33):
that suits him, but I don't necessarily look at that
as like, what's Josh McDaniel's doing. They had no choice
last week. They had to adjust on the fly. They
decided Stevenson and Gibson weren't getting any more carries. Yeah,
and that's why I think he ended up with eleven
carries in that game. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (36:48):
I mean, I think it's important to remember too that
even though Trevan Henderson came in with a lot of
praise for his pass blocking, remember how long it took
a lot of these guys to develop. You know, James White,
I remember him in the in the twenty fifteen AFC
Championship where he had like fifteen targets only caught like
six of them. It felt like, man, there's what's going
on here. And then of course cut to a year later,
he's a huge part of the offense. He's, you know,
arguably one of the guys that helped them win that

(37:11):
Super Bowl when they came from behind scored points.

Speaker 4 (37:13):
So it might take a little time with him, maybe it's.

Speaker 7 (37:16):
It's the fault of returning the first kickoff of the preseason,
and expectations were through the roof, and every time we
saw him play this spring or summer, it was like, Wow,
this is impressive.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
He glides, he runs at a different level. He has
some electricity to his game, and I think we're all
hoping to see that at some point.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
Well, when's the last time we saw a Patriots running
back And I know this was a kickoff, but not
get caught from behind?

Speaker 3 (37:40):
I mean Gibson didn't either.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
Oh that's true, he did outrun the cover.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
Wow, hope.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (37:50):
I don't think Trayvon Henderson's problem is predictability or play
calling or anything like that. Game's moving a little fast
form right now. I think the reads and the processing
and the vision between the tackles is not where it
needs to be yet for him to be, you know,
a workhorse or lead back or whatever you want to
call it. I just don't think he's there yet.

Speaker 6 (38:12):
Now.

Speaker 8 (38:13):
I do think that there's still a ton of value
in just getting his speed on the field and using
his speed, probably more in the passing game and the
run game. But even if it's just a decoy or something.
Just to have that level of dimension to the offense
I think is important. But he's got a long way
to go as a between the tackles runner, like Paul is.

Speaker 3 (38:34):
So in thirty two touches for Stevenson so far in
the season, thirty for Henderson. So like, I know, there's
been a lot of talk and the three of us
have sort of looked at each other like what are
we missing? Like every game the game ends and it's
like they got to get Stevenson the ball more, And
I'm like, did I not see all these these times
that he has the ball in his hands? And I'm

(38:54):
not giving up on him by it. We talked about
this yesterday. When you guys leave us, Fred niet Real
still talk about football. We still talk about football sometimes
when even when you guys leave us just shot and
I'm by far not even thinking about giving up on
this guy. But he has gotten some opportunity so far,
and it's been what's the production has been?

Speaker 1 (39:15):
To be kind modest, But let me ask a question,
because we've talked about Henderson, you know, not really seeing
the you know, not having the vision and just running
into the first tackler. I remember youth football. And I
know that's youth football, but like running backs, including myself,
like being yelled at hit the hole. I don't care,
don't you know, just hit the.

Speaker 4 (39:36):
Whole foot down and yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:38):
And maybe like when you're first starting out, do you
think they're like trust your blockers. And now he hasn't
like freelanced yet, but I wish.

Speaker 8 (39:47):
If he would trust his blockers, like he's he's not
being patient enough to let the blocking develop, right, and
he's just going one hundred miles an hour into the
line of scrimmage. Yeah, so if he's gonna just kind
of fall the blocking, I hear what you're saying.

Speaker 6 (40:02):
But he's got to tempo the run.

Speaker 8 (40:03):
He's got to pace the run better because what he's
doing is he's running into the back of his offensive
lineman before they can even get into the blocks. So,
you know, I was actually talking to Demandre Stevenson about
this a couple of weeks ago, and the differences between
running out of the shotgun and running from what they
call the dot, you know, and the backfield they're under center.

(40:24):
The under center runs typically don't have as much like
freedom to kind of cut and you know, survey and
things like that it's more just get downhill and hit
the hole.

Speaker 6 (40:35):
Right.

Speaker 8 (40:35):
But if you're gonna do that, there's still like a
pacing to it that you don't want.

Speaker 6 (40:41):
You don't want to come out of the blocks at
one hundred miles an hour.

Speaker 8 (40:43):
You want to kind of tempo the run so that
the blocking can develop and then hit the hole. So
I think right now for Henderson he's just it's all
moving pretty fast for him, and he's just one hundred
miles an hour with no brakes, and it's just not
developing a lot, not letting the plays develop.

Speaker 4 (40:59):
We just see some jump cuts though from him this
summer that I.

Speaker 7 (41:01):
Thought, oh yeah, talk about well that's what us excited. Yeah,
he does have that ability.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
We know he's got the ability. Yeah, just he's not
doing it yet. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (41:09):
The only thing that concerns me a little bit is
that this was the book on him at Ohio State
as well, was that he doesn't really have the best
vision between the tackles and Paul's brought up quin Shawn
Jenkins a bunch of times, like they kind of brought
in Judkins to put Henderson in more of like a
space spell back role on purpose, and like I think
that's who he is, and that's not like a knock

(41:30):
if he could be really good in that role, but
to deuce his point pass protection, site adjustments, you know,
those types of things can all kind of take time.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
Sure, David writes in he says, the discourse online seems
that Panthers think this is an easy win for them.
I'm wondering where they're getting this confidence from. Does the
league still look at this team the way they have
the last two years? Yes, yeah, yeah, that's like.

Speaker 3 (41:55):
Just the same exactly, we're looking at this as a win, right,
We're doing the same same thing.

Speaker 8 (42:01):
Their coach did have some interesting comments. I don't know
if that's what he's talking about about. They they don't
do very much, don't do much, but they do it
very well.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
Yeah that comment, Yeah, so.

Speaker 4 (42:11):
Was that aimed at the Patriots generally or yeah, no, generally.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
He was going back to Tennessee. He was saying, yeah,
they don't they don't do a lot, but they do
it exceptionally well. And I didn't really look at it
that way. I thought that was kind of surprising to hear.
Canalis say that I agree with that?

Speaker 6 (42:27):
Yeah, I mean it could have just been coach speak
like it's.

Speaker 4 (42:29):
Respectful and it's an it's bulletin board material.

Speaker 6 (42:32):
It's not about the disrespects.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
I think it's kind of I.

Speaker 6 (42:35):
Think it's opposite.

Speaker 4 (42:36):
I think that they searching here, guys. Come on.

Speaker 3 (42:38):
I think he gave it too much. I think they
do a lot of different things, and some of them
they haven't well right.

Speaker 8 (42:45):
I think they do a bunch of different things schematically,
but like he said that they play like good clean football.
It's like, did you watch this team last week? They
turned the ball over five times? Not exactly, so I
think it might have just been a little bit of
coach speak on.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
Maybe he's just talking about operational.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
That hasn't been like I just felt.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
Like twelve men on the field, you know.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
Okay, but there's been a lot of sloppiness.

Speaker 6 (43:08):
Penalty.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
Yeah, ed in Tallahassee. If the Patriots do not beat
the Panthers on Sunday, then the Patriots have declared the
remainder of their season.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
Oh oh wow, Oh okay, it's not entirely wrong. I mean,
it might be knee jerk, but you're probably staring at
one in four. Yeah, it's tough to come out of
that hole.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (43:31):
I mean what I've seen too is with three home
losses too.

Speaker 7 (43:33):
Yeah, right, right, And just my experience in the last
two years was that it's hard. It gets harder, it
gets harder to dig out of those holes, like the
more it's hard to keep everybody on the same page.
It's hard to keep the locker room like the losing
season snowball on you. That's one of the biggest things
I've learned the last two seasons. Every week gets worse.

Speaker 3 (43:51):
And what's the number one thing heading into the season
that we were all concerned about the lack of depth? Yeah, yeah,
So that hasn't really reared its head yet because they've been,
as Evan pointed out, relatively healthy minus Gonzo, which is
a huge I'm not saying, well, that's nothing, but there's
there are teams that are missing five and six starters
in these games, and the Patriots have been missing one

(44:12):
very important one, but one, I mean backs.

Speaker 8 (44:15):
Carolina's missing two starting offensive linemen. They're starting center and
right guard. They're on backups at both positions, and you
know they have injuries on the injury report and they
they're already going through it too.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
Yeah. Uh. Norrie from Arizona, wondering if there's a need
or an urgency to have a couple of offensive guys
involved in the offense sooner than later. I saw a
tweet from Mike Reese that Trevion Henderson was the first
and tackling ball carrier drills during yesterday's practice. To me,
that indicates they're looking to get him more involved in

(44:48):
the offense. I was thinking initially they were looking to
ease him into the offense early on. In the second
half of the season, he would be used more. Hence,
that's why we likely have been seeing more of Stevenson
involved in these first three games. Well, listen, if if
what you're saying is true and what Mike res tweeted
out is accurate, and that he's the first guy in

(45:09):
the drill, maybe it is a sign that he's going
to be the lead back.

Speaker 6 (45:12):
I wouldn't look into it, but if it changes every day.

Speaker 3 (45:16):
But if if that's what it is, why would you
think the reason for that would.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
Be because of the fumbling.

Speaker 3 (45:21):
Correct? Yes, not because they're looking to get Henderson more.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
No, No, it's it's like, yeah, it's not it's a
need because of the fumbling.

Speaker 3 (45:29):
Right, That's that's what I'm I just like I I
would like, you know, maybe we'll go out there today
and we'll see if it's the same order.

Speaker 8 (45:36):
But like I would venture to guess that that that
is not a particular order that I think guys get
get in line and it just like and.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
Pop about that.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
I I in general, this is not It's more circumstantial
than you think this is.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
They do this drill every single practice, No, I know
they do, and like just judging from all the practices,
it's usually the top dog is.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
The top starters are usually up front. Like I would
say those three guys are starters. They wouldn't raise an
eyebrow to me for Gibson, Stevenson or Henderson. Those are
the three running backs. I mean Marcus Jones, Jennings. I've
seen Marcus.

Speaker 8 (46:12):
Jones do this drill, like as an offensive player. He's
not playing offense.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
So like I does the drill, but does he do
it and he's the first one out of the shoot.

Speaker 8 (46:21):
I just don't think the order matters. Like I I've
been one, Like we watch it all summer, Like I know,
so like I did you take into account, like did
you think about the order?

Speaker 1 (46:30):
I always noticed that, like the top dog in the
in the room is usually the first guy.

Speaker 8 (46:35):
Okay, I don't like, I don't think Gigs is always
the first receiver through the drill.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
I don't think he has been either, And I don't
think that he's been their top receiver, Like I don't.

Speaker 8 (46:45):
Yeah, Like, I'm not trying to be argumentative. I just like,
but that's something that I think we need to, like,
let's see what it is. If it's the same as
it was yesterday today, then maybe there's something.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
Mike thought it was notable.

Speaker 5 (46:57):
There's just so much a practice because it is notable.

Speaker 12 (47:01):
Yeah, they don't want us to see the really notable
stuff they're doing.

Speaker 6 (47:04):
I think that type of stuff.

Speaker 8 (47:06):
That's sort of my point is like if they made
it that predictable that every single time the person that
first running back into the drill is the starting running
back on a week like this, it just doesn't seem
like something that they would do it.

Speaker 3 (47:19):
And I do think it's notable this week because of
the fumble situation. I do think there's a chance that
Henderson led that drill off because he's going to be
getting the first carry on on Sunday.

Speaker 7 (47:29):
Those are the two storylines of chances there are the
two storylines. I don't get right now, you said the
numbers he touched the ball thirty times. I don't know
what the people are claiming for him to touch the
ball every single snap of the game, Like, I don't
understand what that means. And then I also don't understand this.
Stefon Diggs needs to play more on the slot, like
I mean with that was that was a storyline yesterday
too where it's like he's played half his.

Speaker 4 (47:49):
Snaps in the slot, Like you don't want Stefon Diggs
to be an.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
Exclusive slot when they have three receivers on the field,
he slides in, Yeah, which is great, so when you
only have two on the field.

Speaker 7 (48:01):
Slot to be had, but that's like a good sign
that he's able to play inside and outside. If he's
just playing in the slot only, it's a much worse sign.
And again, he's playing there a bunch, So I don't
I don't get.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
Where they line up, just worry about where they end up.

Speaker 3 (48:15):
Van can make me, you know if I'm wrong on this,
Like I kind of feel like Diggs has been more
or less like in the traditional slot and when Douglas
is in there. It's almost kind of like, yeah, so
Edelman played like if that's totally wrong, you won't hurt
my feelings.

Speaker 4 (48:32):
So there's Z.

Speaker 6 (48:33):
It's just it's just easier to just describe it with
the letters.

Speaker 4 (48:37):
So there's X, Z and F.

Speaker 8 (48:38):
Okay, so X and the Z receiver are your base receivers.
The F receiver is the pure slot. That's the Danny
am Mondola. That's the guy that comes in in three
receiver sets and obvious pass and plays purely in the slot. Douglas, Yeah,
Edelman is a Z like Edelman was a flanker, move receiver.

Speaker 6 (48:55):
He was a Z piece. He played a lot on
base offense.

Speaker 8 (48:59):
Diggs has played more in the zerole, so he's more
like Edelman, right, and then Pop is more in the
F role. He's more like a Mondola. The X role
has been a lot of Matt Collins and Kishon Booty.
Now they've had a lot of formations now too where
it's Booty and Hollins, but those have been more like
run based formation, twelve personnel.

Speaker 6 (49:18):
We're loading up to run the football.

Speaker 8 (49:20):
So Pop to me is like got one, really, Danny
a Mondola Now, not the same skill set as Danny
A Mondola, but that's the role of the offense that
he is playing.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
Yeah. Uh, Dominique is in New York. What's up? Dominique?

Speaker 17 (49:36):
Hey y'all, how you doing?

Speaker 4 (49:37):
Hey?

Speaker 3 (49:37):
Good?

Speaker 17 (49:39):
First, foremost, I want to shout out the stand club
section or the fan section on your site. Obviously, I'm
out here in New York City and I've been able
to actually find some good pass bars, one being East Point,
So thank you for putting that together. It's finally nice
to be around some other people room for the Pats. Second,
I wanted to call it something real quick. I feel
like we talk about a little bit, not so much,

(50:00):
but the linebacking group. I'm kind of unsure what to.

Speaker 18 (50:04):
Make of it.

Speaker 17 (50:05):
I know, Roberts Blaine, you know how the first you know,
a couple of rough weeks, But beyond that, I'm trying
to figure out who does what well? Like is given
good in between for like coverage and run stopping. Is
blame more of just run stopping? What does martin mate do?
What is the combination of linebackers that can help make
sure this team actually looks I guess decent in that area,

(50:26):
especially when it comes to coverage. I think that's been
a concern that I've noticed in the first couple of games.
I know, we haven't seen a larger ponder. I'm not
really sure of what he does. I'm not saying put
him in, but what combination looks best? Who does what well?
And I guess what would you Let's see from that
group moving forward as well, and I'll.

Speaker 1 (50:43):
Take it off.

Speaker 4 (50:43):
Thanks, all right, thanks Dominique, Landry, just keep doing what
you're doing.

Speaker 8 (50:46):
That's I mean, well, Landry had been ponder our edge
guys like they're on the line of scrimmage players. But
like Explain, I thought was playing a lot better in
this past game because they were using him moving forward,
read and react, go, get the football, less in man coverage,
less in high leverage zone. So like they really kind
of played him to his straints. And I think that

(51:08):
that's true with all these linebackers. I don't think they
have an all purpose linebacker that's good at everything.

Speaker 6 (51:14):
I think they have a.

Speaker 8 (51:15):
Guys that just like Bill would do, where they have
situational roles or roles that you know. I think Splain
is more of a run stopping linebacker. I think Ellis
can play a little bit more in the past game
and maybe it'll be a little bit more coverage oriented.
Maphu's a converted safety, so he's definitely more of a
coverage player. But I think right now the problem that
they're finding themselves in is that they don't have linebackers

(51:39):
that are kind of well rounded. So you can get
Splain in coverage, and then you can take advantage of
splaying coverage, or you can get Ellis at the point
of attack in the run game and you can run
Ellis over you know, map who's not going to play
in a run situation. So I think that's where they're
getting picked on, is can we get the running back
on Splaine? You know, we like that matchup if Ellis

(52:00):
is on the field, you know, let's run it weak
and let's run it at Ellis and then we like
that matchup.

Speaker 6 (52:05):
So it's a that's where they're getting beat right now.

Speaker 7 (52:09):
The mix some dugger into is you know, covering tight
ends him and Mapu, and that just speaks to the
specialization that you're kind of talking about. We said yesterday,
what's something you would look at next year, Like trying
to find that every down linebacker I think would really
be a huge key for this defense to.

Speaker 4 (52:25):
Tie it all together.

Speaker 7 (52:25):
I mean, I like Splain, but you know, we'll see
how he continues to progress. But how's Jelani Tavai fit into.
I think that's part of this equation, and I wouldn't
be surprised. We talked about it yesterday. I'd see him
come in and you know, really be in every down
player next to Splaine. I think he's got the skill
set to do it and has some versatility, more size
than than ellis harder to run at.

Speaker 4 (52:45):
But we'll see how they fit him in. He's an
interesting player.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
Dan and Virginia and Michigan writes. Paul noted that the
offense last Sunday was like pulling teeth, and Evan has
noted the lack of big plays so explode plays right
as well.

Speaker 6 (53:02):
Excellent.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
So what is the reason. What is the reason for
the lack of dynamic offense? Is Josh still stuck in
a strategy of death by a thousand cuts? Are no
receivers getting open deep? Or is made not seeing them
when they do get open deep?

Speaker 8 (53:16):
I don't think they have a third dimension to the
offense right now. I think that's the biggest thing they
don't have a deep passing game. I personally think that
that's personnel. I like, who on the roster besides Kyle
Williams really brings a down the field element. So they're
running a lot of wheels and seams and things like
that out of the backfield to try to get these
tight ends and running backs vertical and try to hunt

(53:38):
matchups in the middle of the field to hit big plays.
They've hit chunks, they just haven't hit that, you know,
fifty sixty yard bomb. They hit the one to Remandre,
but even that was like a twenty five yard pass
that turns into a fifty five yard pass. So I
think that's what's missing from the offense right now. From
that standpoint, They're not terrible in terms of twenty plus

(54:00):
yard gains, but their twenty plus yard gains are only
gaining twenty yards at a time. They're not gaining fifty
yards on their explosive plays.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
Dan's other question, I think he had it a little
bit wrong. He says in the postgame show and Tuesday's show,
the fumbles were put down to players trying to do
too much. It was no just Drake Drake May's Yeah,
Ramandre Stevenson wasn't trying to do too much. You talked
to the offensive, but Drake, especially in that one play,
it looked like he was trying to get heroes. Yeah, yeah,

(54:31):
there goes out.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
I agree with Fred's summation of that. I think we
all mentioned that Drake needs to stop those plays when
they're over.

Speaker 4 (54:39):
Yeah, they stopped trying to do they feel mental errors.
To me, they feel the other.

Speaker 3 (54:42):
Three fumbles were not an example of trying to do
too much.

Speaker 7 (54:45):
Drake's interception too, which is they felt like he rushed it.
He had the time, he has the throw, he just
you know, gets excited, and I think that's hopefully part
of the experience thing that'll calm down a little bit.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
So Evan's off to the locker room.

Speaker 4 (54:59):
Josh, Josh, just Josh.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
Okay, all right, David's in Florida. What's up, David?

Speaker 3 (55:07):
When she smirks.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Us, you guys, guy, guys, what's are going good?

Speaker 1 (55:12):
David?

Speaker 17 (55:14):
I have to uh excuse me.

Speaker 19 (55:16):
I have to maybe push back a little bit on
something that Paul said. I think it was last show
or the show before. He was talking about how it
seems like the offense has these long, extended drives and
he kind of described it as you know it, they're
they're putting their all into these drives that aren't doing anything.
And I just had a sort of had a question,

(55:37):
is like, isn't it a good thing that we have
these extended drives that take up time? Obviously not in
the end of the game, but I feel like it's
good that we have, you know, these extended, long drives
that can wear out the defense.

Speaker 3 (55:47):
What I said was, it's it's kind of frustrating that
they have these long drives that don't result in points,
and there are different reasons. The thing that I was
sort of arguing with Fred postgame about was last year
they would have these drives, and you know, they would
have It wasn't every game, but they were games where

(56:07):
they moved the ball reasonably well and they would get
in position to score and there'd be a holding call
or a sack allowed and they would end up with
no points. On Sunday, they had these long drives that
looked like they were going well and they would get
down there and drop the ball. So a different reason
for failing. But at the end of the day, you
looked in like the Colts game last year, they had

(56:29):
like four hundred and twenty two yards of total offense
in twenty four points, and you're like, how did how
did they only end up with twenty four points on Sunday?
You look and you're like three hundred and sixty nine
yards of offense but only fourteen points. How did that happen?
It was a little bit easier to unidentify why that
happened in this game, But I'm wondering, is that just
what it is? Like the offense? Yeah, I'm gonna find

(56:51):
a way to not score as make points as they should.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
I agreed, David. It is a good sign that they're
able to sustain it. They just have to finish.

Speaker 3 (56:59):
They had some good drives on Sunday. Yes, they did,
and that was a good thing. They had one ninety
plus yard drive.

Speaker 19 (57:05):
Were you just referring to Sunday's game or are you
talking about overall?

Speaker 3 (57:08):
No, in general?

Speaker 19 (57:09):
Maybe I was missing night.

Speaker 3 (57:10):
No, and I'm talking about the offense in general, like
under May, I'm talking about Drake Man.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
One of the one of the differences I see in
this offense from last year, like when it's third and
eight or the behind the sticks, I feel like there's
hope that they're going to convert.

Speaker 5 (57:24):
I had no hope the last year four years.

Speaker 3 (57:27):
Yeah, I had nod hope when May became the quarterback
last year they could. They could some of those like
you don't convert a lot of.

Speaker 19 (57:33):
Them when they do have to move the ball quickly.
I feel like they do have the ability to with
especially on those like third those like third Nates with
Diggs and Hollins and Henry and those kind of guys.

Speaker 13 (57:42):
I feel like they.

Speaker 19 (57:42):
Are doing that at a significantly better rate than they
than they were last year.

Speaker 3 (57:46):
Yeah, yeah, I don't.

Speaker 19 (57:47):
See that, but it just felt like you were you were.

Speaker 3 (57:50):
They did Sunday a little bit. They did that Sunday.
I'll say that they didn't do it in the first game.
I didn't do it in the second half of the
second game.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
I have much more hope this year that it's Sunday.

Speaker 3 (58:01):
If we're just going off a Sunday and that's what
it is, I agree with you. I have hope.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
But there was building signs in all three games.

Speaker 3 (58:07):
Not the first game. Okay, they didn't move the ball
in the first game at all.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
I'm just saying that, that's all I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (58:13):
It's like we're just going off of a very recent
track record. Sunday. It's it's obvious they moved the ball
on Sunday. Anybody would say I I going to keep
saying this year that way.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
That's how I feel.

Speaker 3 (58:27):
But it was this game, Okay, But what I'm telling
you they didn't move the ball against the Raiders. They didn't.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
Okay, but I saw a semblance of an offense building
towards something. I didn't see that last year. I see
that this year, and but building.

Speaker 3 (58:42):
When I'm giving you the facts that they had four
different games that they moved the ball far better than
they did against the Raiders this year last year. Okay,
but I gave you that, and you just ignore it.
I'm just telling you because in your mind's eye, you're
just saying, it just looks better to me this year.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
It does.

Speaker 3 (58:58):
It looks better to do that too. I can just
say it looks better and just you don't have to.

Speaker 1 (59:01):
But I am.

Speaker 3 (59:02):
Against Pittsburgh, it looked better. It was better because they
moved the ball. As as David said, they had like
a ninety six yard drive in that game that resulted
in no points. I also that's a great drive.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
I also saw at the beginning of the Miami game.
It looked better.

Speaker 3 (59:17):
The first two drives of the Miami game were.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
Outstand I'm seeing semblances of an offense I don't believe
I saw last year.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
Okay, but but I would agree in the Pittsburgh game
and in the first half against Miami it was good.
The Raiders game, and the second half against Miami it wasn't.

Speaker 7 (59:32):
Okay, Mike Yah, yeah, no, it's accurate, but I but
I still like what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
He's asking you to agree with him now.

Speaker 7 (59:40):
If they didn't do if they didn't have production against
the Raiders or in the second half against Miami, which
I would say is accurate, But I still agree with
your general point of despite not being great in the
opener and having a bad second half, I still see
what you're saying.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
I would say the arrow is pointing up. The most
recent thing we saw was very positive if not for
the turnovers.

Speaker 4 (59:57):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (59:58):
My fear is we just plugged in the turnovers this
week that replaced the sack or the holding car, and
it's going to be something different. It's going to be
something different because they can't move the ball with any
degree of chunk plays, and you know, Evan keeps talking
about the twenty yard plays, and I think Fred's right

(01:00:20):
about this. Fred sort of, you know, clap back a
little bit against the explosive plays, Like you're throwing a
screen pass and the running back breaks three tackles and
you get twenty three yards. Now, that's a great play.
I'm not saying it's not. But it's not the same
as getting explosive plays. They're working really hard to move
the ball. They don't get a lot of plays like

(01:00:40):
the third down and sixteen on Sunday against Pittsburgh where
Booty runs an incut and they get twenty yards that
ball was Do you realize they didn't even throw the
ball twenty yards in the air once in the whole
game Sunday. Like, I don't know if you can like
consistently move the ball the way they did Sunday doing it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
That way, if you don't have that thread, it makes
it easier for the defense.

Speaker 3 (01:01:03):
As Fred, but I want to just like I know
Fred thinks that I'm being combative and I'm not on Sundays.
On Sunday, I will take that offense on Sunday, cleaning
up the turnovers obviously every week that offense is good
enough to win most weeks.

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Speaker 3 (01:04:17):
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Speaker 21 (01:04:20):
Yeah, a chance to get back out there and kind
of re established over trying to be the football team.
I think some one of those games that you know,
you just look back and like, man, we hurt ourselves,
and I think it's one of those things just get
back to you folks on us and you know, a
new opponent and knowing that we can got to know
how to not you know, lose the game, you know,
on ourselves before we go win.

Speaker 3 (01:04:42):
You're talking a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:04:43):
I've been passing our top ten questions.

Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
Just chairs do you do you play?

Speaker 3 (01:04:46):
Attention on the stats, that's stuff to.

Speaker 21 (01:04:48):
Be I don't think winning matters to me. I think
that's the main goal with why you play. You know,
I play this this position, why I play the sport. Yeah,
I think, you know, quarterbacks and the ultimate kind of
status is win. So I think that's the biggest thing
that I focus on. And if that's throwing you know,
ten touchdowns in a game, or or throwing one pass
the game is trying to win.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
He like throwing up against Christie Gonzalas and.

Speaker 21 (01:05:12):
Practice, Yeah, Gonzo. I mean it's since the day I
got here. You know, it's always good to have somebody
and and him and c V on the other side
of the ball that that make a challenging, that make
it challenging to make throws that don't make it easy.
And I think that's you know, things where we developed
with guys and on my side of the ball, a
different kind of kind of level like above the next

(01:05:34):
you know, when he's making throws difficult, he's making this
route difficult, you know, back shoulders on on go routes
and little things like that. He's, uh, you know, he's
a great player and I'm looking forward to seeing him,
you know when he gets back. Yeah, I think you know,
he's got some swag with to him. He's always got swags,
so I always, you know, you know, try to find
time to ask him, Hey, what kind of do up
my swag? Because I don't have much out there, but

(01:05:55):
uh no, Gon's always do you every time. You know,
he's smooth, play smooth, he's patient, he's a he's one
of the best in the game. So what does it
mean for the chances to play against your hometown team? Yeah,
I think it's different. Playing up here and you're going
back to Charlotte would have been different, but you know,
going against the team that grew up watching, you grew
up hering for, and a lot of great memories in
that stadium back in Making America. So uh yeah, it's

(01:06:19):
a little different, but at the same time, it's still
you know, just is another week, another week in the NFL,
and you know, the same players that I grew up
you know, playing for besides the longest snappers still there.

Speaker 7 (01:06:27):
So is it a little encouraging that the mistakes from
last week's and turnovers do you view those as.

Speaker 21 (01:06:33):
Relatively easy fixes and are you encouraged by that, Hey,
we can just sol out of the ball.

Speaker 18 (01:06:38):
You know you've got something here.

Speaker 21 (01:06:39):
Yeah, like I said, not beating ourselves, that's the that's
the big thing, and that's the shoot. It's you know,
it's turnovers. Turnos in this league are such a big deal.
It's one of those things that we yeah, we can
clean up. I think you hold on the football and
and me hold it on the pocket, and you know,
the running backs is something that I do think is fixable.
I think it's something that you try to overemphasize and
usually when we overhom sized things, you you fix it.

(01:07:02):
And uh, you know, I think something throughout the week
is just trying to do the extra little things that
you'll protect it and and me getting you in the pocket.
You'll ensuring two hands on it and just know when
that plays over great.

Speaker 7 (01:07:13):
When you look at this team, whether it's a practice
or during the games, do you think about.

Speaker 4 (01:07:17):
How much better this team can be or maybe it
should be.

Speaker 18 (01:07:20):
Who you will.

Speaker 21 (01:07:22):
I wouldn't say that. I just you know, trying to
push the guys to get to that level. You know,
I know what we can do, and you still feel
like we haven't you know, played our best football, and
that's what's promising, you know, you know ahead and I think, uh,
you know, once we do, we kind of talk about,
you know, stringing some plays together in a practice or
stringing a drive together. You see glimpses of it. But
that's the challenging part of this league. And that's what's
the fun part about it. Of getting to that level

(01:07:42):
and hoping to get that level when when the games
you know matter, it really matter, and trying to get
a you'll push to the postseason or things like that.
So that's what we're trying to build tours and just
keep you know, going out every week just curious when
you dive into a opponent's go getting good at it
on your own.

Speaker 3 (01:07:57):
What's the difference here too for you as opposed to
last year, If they're as fun as that you study
and you're trying to get a beat early on the Pounders.

Speaker 21 (01:08:06):
Defense, Yeah, I think, you know, first off is kind
of just knowing the defensive coordinator kind of the background.
You can kind of know more names now and know
what Tree's from and and know things like that. And
from there, just trying to watch players more. You know
players know that you know, covers matters, but you know
players and personnel matters just as much. And and know
one the guys up front you to worry about or
the run game and things like that are the guys

(01:08:27):
you know, hey, playing this coverage is what he likes
to do. Or you know he's real aggressive when he
gets you know, backside and he's in man, you know,
things like that. So just trying to you know, started players,
you know, just as Nutch as and and just every week,
you know, trying to play the quarterback. You're trying to
see what see what they're in before they show it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:42):
You think they're corner specifically Chase.

Speaker 4 (01:08:44):
Yeah, they're great players.

Speaker 10 (01:08:45):
You know.

Speaker 21 (01:08:45):
You know Jase Horny he played at a kid out
of school, so you'll know him, you know, grew up
and uh, he's a little older than me, but obviously
a great player. You know, he's made the players this
year and he's uh, you know, one of those guys
backside that he's gonna play in the boundary and make
it tough. He's physical, he can play, he's pay should
you know, he's got good ball skills. So he's one
of those guys that, uh, you know, he's he's gonna
make it tough, and I think it's something that you

(01:09:07):
can't you kind of eliminate that part of the field.
But you gotta be careful with him and the other side.
You Number two is a good player as well.

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
You see you have Stefan Dick's three catches on Sunday
resulted in the first I believe you talked about what
a great.

Speaker 8 (01:09:21):
Teammate he is.

Speaker 20 (01:09:22):
Where's your level of trust with him, especially a situationally you're.

Speaker 21 (01:09:26):
On the video, Yeah, you know, we try to put
him in circumstances where he's you know, getting the ball
and an option to get the ball on on big plays.
You know, got a big third down catch the first
third down we had, I should have probably should have
thrown it to him. Well, things like that, we had
a fourth down against Miami. He's making plays. So he's
in positions on on uh you know, key downs to
make plays and got full trust on him and he's

(01:09:46):
just keeps showing it every week and He's just try
to give Hi the ball more. I told him that.
You know today, when you talk about knowing when the
play is over, are you is that just strictly field thing,
because obviously you have the ability.

Speaker 10 (01:09:58):
To create extent.

Speaker 1 (01:09:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:10:00):
Then sometimes, as you found out, it kind of can lead.

Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
To trouble too.

Speaker 21 (01:10:02):
Yeah, you just kind of we talked about the quarterback room,
you know, kind of when something something doesn't feel right,
you know, when the brother in the pocket or with
this play, all right, something I need to do, whether
throw it away or get what I can and get down.
Just kind of that that kind of you know, stop
clock in your head and and that shot clock. Just
you just know, hey, something doesn't feel right all right now.
You know some quarterbacks split their feet. I think sometimes

(01:10:23):
you just feel like, okay, you gotta do something. So
just knowing knowing that it comes to the Panthers.

Speaker 4 (01:10:27):
What what is your favorite like all time memories?

Speaker 21 (01:10:31):
Fair, all time memory who that's a that's a good question.
I went to the Super Bowl, uh when when they
lost to Peyton Manning.

Speaker 4 (01:10:41):
And then that was tough.

Speaker 21 (01:10:42):
But uh yeah, just that season and you know, I
think there was fifteen and one. I was at that,
you know, NFC Championship game at home, you know, big
time win, and just to just the being a fan
of of Cam. I think it was probably the biggest
memory of him coming out here and doing the airplane
and you know, hitting the CAM.

Speaker 4 (01:10:58):
So just little things like that and.

Speaker 21 (01:11:00):
Getting to know him later on and playing him he
coaches seven on sevent team and playing them and playing
against him and seeing stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:11:09):
And now great moments in.

Speaker 6 (01:11:13):
History and Brandon Spikes's work.

Speaker 8 (01:11:17):
He's at Florida, he's working back at the Alma Mada
and uh and he's you know, he's helping out Florida's program,
trying to get them back, you know, to where they
were when he was there and things like that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:30):
And so is he still on the internet.

Speaker 4 (01:11:33):
I asked Evan about that yesterday.

Speaker 3 (01:11:35):
I'm sure you know, I'm going to plead you want
his only fans.

Speaker 4 (01:11:39):
Account, get a license for that thing.

Speaker 3 (01:11:43):
Yeah, that was a great That was a great moment
in PFW.

Speaker 7 (01:11:46):
And oh yeah, oh you guys discovered the who does
a Google search of Brandon Spikes is junk and Frank Goes.

Speaker 22 (01:11:53):
I have seen it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:54):
I have seen it.

Speaker 4 (01:11:55):
And then I said it in the elevator today, and then.

Speaker 1 (01:11:59):
Paul starts, have you seen yes?

Speaker 3 (01:12:03):
Have you seen? So? Yeah? I do not just go
I don't get that.

Speaker 13 (01:12:06):
I have no.

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
Research.

Speaker 3 (01:12:09):
That's another great moment, all right back here on Patriots
on the Filter, and I'm looking at him like like
just like we were talking about the offense, and I'm like, so,
have you really seen Brandon Spikes's junk? Yes?

Speaker 18 (01:12:28):
Oh? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
No? I you know when these when when news happens,
I need to see what everyone's talking about. Part of
my job, I guess, yeah, okay. I teased before the
break that we had some parcels content. Obviously. This weekend,
Bill Parcells was inducted into the Patriots Hall of Fame,

(01:12:51):
and before the induction ceremony, Maddy no Socks and myself
had a chance to actually sit down with Bill in
this studio for an extended interview, and what we're about
to play is just a little clip of it. We
were talking about how, you know, Bill was such a
pro at needling his players, so we talked about that.
But the extended interview, if it isn't already up, it's

(01:13:15):
going to be up on Pages dot com before the
end of this show, so you can listen to the
whole interview that we did with Bill purselves. But here's
just a little taste of that.

Speaker 23 (01:13:26):
You know, I'm confrontational. I had a very confrontational mother,
highly confrontation, and so I've always been let's let's get
it out on the table and let's settle it now.

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
And we're so you grew up that way, Yeah, exactly, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:13:42):
Now I so Lofe talks about practice. He said, the
needle is usually out during stretch. That was a time
to bust balls.

Speaker 3 (01:13:50):
At that point in time, and nobody was immune.

Speaker 9 (01:13:53):
Know, somebody was a little heavy is weight, you're gonna
get him with the way You're going to get him
on all kinds of to get myself with that. But
he said that that was like he revers that time
and thinks back at that time about that's.

Speaker 22 (01:14:07):
The special camaraderie. That is what football is all about.
It is and you know, it's you can't explain it
to people. There's just something. It's kind of like a
a it's like a magnet.

Speaker 3 (01:14:23):
It just it keeps you together. It's just yeah, and
and man, it's als fair too. It's if you're.

Speaker 23 (01:14:31):
Sensitive at all on business, right, No shot, that's right,
because the more they find out you're sensitive, they make
it worse.

Speaker 3 (01:14:39):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (01:14:39):
So yeah, yeah, okay. So that was just a little
taste and it is live now on Patriots dot com.
So if you want to check that out, you know,
please wait until the end of the show. But I
would say that if you have any memory of Bill
Parcells here, if you were a fan at that time,

(01:15:00):
old enough to remember him, it's it's muscle wat.

Speaker 3 (01:15:03):
I watched it this morning, and I would echo what
Fred says, and this is I would say this. Obviously,
you know, we're proud of a lot of the stuff
that we do. But if you're of 's say, you know,
roughly my age, you know, let's say plus or minus
ten for me, this is in your wheelhouse. The memories
that immediately were drawn back to that sort of mid

(01:15:26):
nineties emergence of the Patriots as one of the better
teams in the league. I'm not going to call him
the best team in the league. They didn't win the
Super Bowl in ninety six. They lost, but they were
in that mix with Denver and with Green Bay and
the better teams, and Parcels brings you right back there.
He's eighty four his recall is amazing. Some of the

(01:15:50):
stories that he tells. I think Fred asks him about
his Circle the Wagons guys, and he's talking about, you know,
some of the play like Bruce Armstrong and Andre Tippett
that you would immediately think of in that light. But
then you know, Matt and Fred are like sort of
problemoge hold on, now, let me think, and then he
like rattles off two or three more and then you

(01:16:13):
know Fred and Matt again are getting ready to move on.
He's like, no, no, no, and like there was probably
eight or nine guys. Oh yeah, that he's talking about
with such reverence. Yeah, I think you really enjoy it.
I know that Parcels can be sort of a polarizing
guy for Patriots fans because of the way he left,
But I think either way, whatever way you fall on
the Bill Parcells controversy, I think you'll enjoy looking back

(01:16:36):
at a time in Patriots history. I think is a
little bit overlooked because of all the success they had
with the Belichick Brady era, but the Parcels Bledsoe era
was pretty good. And I think if you sort of
were a part of that the way I was, you
really enjoy this podcast.

Speaker 12 (01:16:53):
And even if you weren't part of it, Like, I'm
really interested to see it just because I was like
two years old, you know, I didn't necessarily live through it.
I write about it, but I'm excited to just hear
it from that perspective. And I think that confrontational line
about how he's really confrontational, Oh yeah, I love that.

Speaker 3 (01:17:09):
You know where I got mine?

Speaker 1 (01:17:11):
Yeah, absolutely, I'm your mom. I could have I could
have sat and talked with him for hours, because there
was a lot that I would have loved to catch
up on, but he had other things to do. But
we also had a special guest stop in during the interview,
so that's in there too, so Tom pages dot com
and really anywhere that you can get podcasts. It's episode
I think fifty two of Pats from the Past, So

(01:17:35):
good stuff. Check it out.

Speaker 3 (01:17:36):
And Freddie, you and You and No Socks did a
nice job with with Bill, and I thought he was
really he was willing to go back, and I think
he looks back at those times fondly. Yeah, you know,
those were good teams. Some of the some of the
names that he brings up just out of nowhere. Ray
Crittendon he talks about, you know, like that that's a

(01:17:57):
true Patriot fan, Like Alex, I'm sure you ever heard
the name Ray Crittenden in your life. You know, he
would sort of be like the the eftin Chisholm today,
like the fourth or fifth, you know, sixth guy on
the depth chart, and you know he's going back thirty
plus years talking about that guy. So it was definitely
worth worth sometimes, you know, like a half hour. So

(01:18:18):
it's nice, good, good trip down Many Lane.

Speaker 1 (01:18:22):
Like I said, I I could have talked with him
all afternoon because I have things that.

Speaker 3 (01:18:26):
I that was my season ticket holder heyday.

Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
Yeah, that was I mean that was when I was
came in ninety five. He was the coach. That was
my first coach.

Speaker 12 (01:18:34):
Well, you said it was polarizing kind of because the
way he left. What did you think of his comments
about kind of wishing he maybe did these differently with
wisdom in hindsight.

Speaker 1 (01:18:43):
Yeah, he's had said that before publicly, so this isn't new.
That wasn't but I think he really meant it. Yeah,
you know, he was the kind of guy and not
just here. He did it with the Giants before here
where he was mercurial, like, I don't know if I
want to come back, and he entertained an offer with
the Tampa Bay Buccaneers at the time, and you know,

(01:19:05):
the Giants were getting frustrated with him. You know, every
year he didn't know if he wanted to keep coaching.
He did it here, he did it. You know after here,
he went from here to Dallas, then to Miami. So
he's he hasn't He's never been a guy that settled down.

Speaker 3 (01:19:22):
The only place he stated for any length of time
was the Giants. Yeah, it's right about that. He probably
would have gone yeah for another reason.

Speaker 1 (01:19:28):
So so it wasn't just here. He didn't like to
be told what to do. He was very confrontational, but
with a guy like him, he'd have the confrontation and
then it'll be over. There's no lingering grudges to be held,
you know, like it you're a man, I'm a man.
We're gonna yell at each other and then it's done.

Speaker 12 (01:19:45):
And I respect the hell out of that, because when
you aren't confronting these things, there's just like festering inside
of you. And then that's when it does get to
a boiling point.

Speaker 1 (01:19:56):
And then right and then it's done. And that's how
we coached in I think maybe Vrabel's kind of from
that cut from that cloth. I don't know, we'll see,
but he seems to be like that.

Speaker 5 (01:20:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:20:08):
Yeah, I don't know if he's done with it, but
he likes to bicker. Yeah, that I remember from his
playing days.

Speaker 1 (01:20:15):
Yeah, but it was it was great to see him,
and I told him, I said I was pissed when
the way he left. I told him that.

Speaker 5 (01:20:22):
I don't know if that made it, but the you
saying that I'm being confrontational.

Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
Yeah, but but the reason I was pissed is because
I didn't want them to leave, right, That's why I
was pissed, you know. And the way he left. So
good stuff. Check it out pages dot com and anywhere
you get your podcasts. It's a patch from the past.
That's the title. Ashton writes in My dog and I

(01:20:49):
got hit by a car yesterday walking across the street.
Both have some things that need to heal, but we're
gonna be okay. I listened to your show in the
hospital for some normalcy. Appreciate what you do. I hope
both you and your dog are getting better. That sucks.
I always have that fear when I'm walking the dog
and along the sidewalk on like some cars just gonna

(01:21:11):
jump the sidewalk and nail both of us.

Speaker 12 (01:21:14):
Yeah, that happened in a West Springfield in the last year.
Girl walking or dog. They both passed away.

Speaker 1 (01:21:19):
Yeah. Anyway, football question, why not move Digs to the
slot since his few weeks in Houston he was exactly
what you want from that position. Could bump digs targets up,
keep the chains moving more, and be more reliable in
that role than Douglas. I know the chisholm Army is
ready to march, but maybe some more time behind Diggs

(01:21:39):
is still needed.

Speaker 3 (01:21:40):
He's you could save that one for Mike because he
really likes to answer the why isn't Digs in the slot?

Speaker 1 (01:21:46):
Question?

Speaker 3 (01:21:47):
So I would I would just say, obviously we talked
a lot about Diggs is playing in the slot, but
in terms of that email that I would agree with
is I would like to see Diggs get a little
bit more attention, more focus, focal point of the offense.

Speaker 1 (01:22:01):
Okay, Jordan lives in Tampa and he wants to give
an answer to that person looking for places to go
down there. Uh, he lives down there. He said, you
can try the traditional Cuban food in a town called
lot Terracita, the Colombia in Ebor City. I remember the
Columbia is still there. That was a wild spot big night.

(01:22:23):
I had a restaurant, but it also had a bar.

Speaker 3 (01:22:24):
It was a wild spot, was there.

Speaker 1 (01:22:27):
If you want a nice steak, go to Charlie's or
Ocean Prime right by the stadium. So there's there a
few suggestions right there. But yeah, Ebor City.

Speaker 3 (01:22:36):
Was there one Ocean Prime? Yeah, I think I've been there.

Speaker 1 (01:22:40):
There's a few of them. Yeah, there's a few of them.

Speaker 3 (01:22:42):
All right. I didn't realize there's a chain. My bad.

Speaker 1 (01:22:44):
Yeah, end one though, of course, well only the best
uh Sean and Vancouver, Alex. I agree with you. But
what I'd like to see more Digs and Williams. All right,
Booty and Diggs should have all the snaps, but when
they go to three receiver sets, put Digs in the slot.
Here's another slot guy, and Williams at the X with

(01:23:06):
a few deep shots, Evan. I'd also like to see
Henderson use more as a decoy. Defenses are keying on
him when he's on the field. Fred I'm gonna make
the guarantee this week Patriots twenty one Panthers ten. If
both teams best players are on the field. Do you
think Gonza will cover Tet with Davis on Sandras? I
think they'll probably double team Tet.

Speaker 3 (01:23:26):
I don't know if that's a good question. I think
normal circumstances, yes, I think Gonzales would be on McMillan,
but I think considering his film, yeah, his absence, I
wonder if maybe they go with Davis instead. I don't
think that they would necessarily double him all the time,

(01:23:47):
but yeah, he probably will see some double teams too. Okay,
but I just it's a little unknown there. What availability
you're going to get from Gonzo? Yep, But normal circumstance answers.
I want him on the other team's best receiver, right, Yep,
don't we all?

Speaker 23 (01:24:06):
I do?

Speaker 1 (01:24:06):
I think so. I mean, that's that's the that's why
you get these guys, that's why you pay them the
big bucks. H Judah. Do you think this team can
find the way to play the best type of football
Drake talked about early or will it take until mid
season or even the entire season?

Speaker 3 (01:24:24):
That's the question. I didn't hear Drake's no, but how
long it's you know, they want to be playing their
best football and they're going to have to clean things up.
You know, you hope that these are just sort of
early season growing pains and sloppiness and they can get
it fixed sooner rather than later. You don't want to
go half a season and you know, sort of waste
an opportunity.

Speaker 1 (01:24:44):
On the subject of whether or not the team or
offense looks better than last year, most interesting Patriots fan
in the world, James Pettigrew, writs in just my two cents,
but neither of you looked better than last year.

Speaker 3 (01:24:54):
Well that's the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:24:55):
Come on, you can't say that about Paul.

Speaker 3 (01:24:58):
Come on, and I would say that the offense looked
better than last year, by the way I mean I do.
I don't want to come across like that. I just
especially Sunday. Yeah, my confidence is first game, it didn't
look better than last year, but on Sunday it did.

Speaker 1 (01:25:13):
Eldred's in North Carolina, what's up? Eldred?

Speaker 14 (01:25:19):
Hey, Alex, Hey tellers, tell y'all doing Hey, the email
ain't wrong. Carolina said they gonna whoop our button, won't
steak him.

Speaker 3 (01:25:28):
Up there they think that huh okay, and you're talking
about the fans or is this trash talk coming from
the locker.

Speaker 14 (01:25:34):
Room, coming from the fans from the locker room, Oh,
the fans, Okay, the problem. But the problem with that
is kick is hurt a quarter of past chat some
of the top guys or the wide receivers. So if
they beat us with Renfro and two guys up the
pactor squad, me and Greg are gonna have a talk.

Speaker 1 (01:25:53):
Yeah, no, I hear that.

Speaker 3 (01:25:55):
Yeah yeah. So just to read this long list of
guys that didn't practice yesterday for Carolina, his linebacker Pat Jones,
Xaviel lagat Technic Mill and the two receivers Hunter Renfro
was a personal day off. I'm not sure exactly what
that was about. Jatavian Sanders is the tight end he
had an ankle. Uh, Turk Wharton and dj one them playing.

(01:26:18):
Uh So those guys all out like they did not practice.
So there's, you know, to the Eldridge's point. Eldred's point,
there's a significant amount of Panthers that will not be
taking part in this game. So no real and no excuse.

Speaker 14 (01:26:34):
One more question, one more question. I'll let y'all go. Hey,
have y'all been watching Taekwan Thornton lately with the Chief?

Speaker 3 (01:26:44):
Yeah, he's been okay some place.

Speaker 10 (01:26:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:26:47):
Yeah, he dropped one, he catched two, dropped one, catch two.
I mean they keep going to them. Do you think
we didn't we didn't development good enough or he just yeah, yeah,
take it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:03):
Off the air, all right, thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:27:05):
I think he has Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 5 (01:27:06):
Patrick Mahomes didn't actually utilize his speed. I don't think
Mac Jones could.

Speaker 1 (01:27:11):
Yeah, that's it, that's the angry. Yeah, mac Jones will
make me look good, Patrick, I mean not Patrick Mahomes.
Who's this Christian in La? What do you get to say?

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
You know, like i'd say today, guys that first of all,
I do think that we're gonna win going going away
in this game. I think Caroline's a little banged up.

Speaker 17 (01:27:35):
And if we get.

Speaker 2 (01:27:37):
Of Gonzo, I think that's good enough to shut down
Tet anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:27:40):
But uh, twenty five percent of Gonzo would be good
enough to shut down a receiver. Is that what you
just said?

Speaker 2 (01:27:48):
Nick Millnane, I don't I don't think. I don't think
his running is crisp enough to really take advantage of
Gonzo even at twenty five.

Speaker 3 (01:27:55):
If he was twenty five percent, he wouldn't be out there.

Speaker 2 (01:27:57):
But whatever, you get what I'm saying, Paul, Come.

Speaker 3 (01:28:01):
On, No, I mean, I'm sorry. A quarter of a
player is not good enough to shut down an NFL player.
I mean, I'm sorry. There's nobody that good. Deon Sanders.
A quarter of Deion Sanders wouldn't shut down again. Five
percent effort is.

Speaker 1 (01:28:14):
Good enough for me. Yeah, well shut down, pet.

Speaker 3 (01:28:17):
Let's move on to silly comment.

Speaker 2 (01:28:19):
It's not fill the comment, Paul.

Speaker 3 (01:28:21):
It's a very silly comment.

Speaker 19 (01:28:23):
I think in a week four right, it's.

Speaker 3 (01:28:25):
Disrespectful coming.

Speaker 5 (01:28:28):
Paul.

Speaker 2 (01:28:30):
The comment was the comment brother and.

Speaker 1 (01:28:32):
He says it's disrespectful.

Speaker 3 (01:28:35):
It's disrespectful.

Speaker 2 (01:28:37):
You know, when I come to to let Stadium later
on the season, Paul, you and I are going to
have a talk.

Speaker 5 (01:28:42):
Oh oh, set him outside.

Speaker 3 (01:28:45):
Oh I look forward to that barrel laughs. That'll you do?

Speaker 14 (01:28:50):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (01:28:51):
Oh?

Speaker 23 (01:28:51):
You know what else?

Speaker 2 (01:28:51):
I'm going to send you guys some Christian in La
button to put on love Christian La. Christian in La.
I want to see you. Guys are gonna way. They
should be in about two weeks. By the way, it
was supposed to be a surprise.

Speaker 5 (01:29:03):
Christian, when are you coming?

Speaker 2 (01:29:06):
I'm coming in December.

Speaker 1 (01:29:07):
Okay, Okay, we got to move on because we got
we got other callers, and we got passed. So I
just want to clear the phones. Thanks Christian. Ben's in Brooklyn.
What's up Ben?

Speaker 10 (01:29:22):
Hey guys, first time caller. Just wanted to see if
I could build a bridge between Evan and Paul with
respect to the analytics and going forward on fourth down.

Speaker 1 (01:29:32):
I like that grasping hands, So let's build a bridge
so bad.

Speaker 3 (01:29:36):
I'm looking forward to hearing what you say. But just
I just want to clarify. I love going forward on
fourth down, So I don't think this is going to
be a hot own fifteen. Just just not at my
own fifteen.

Speaker 10 (01:29:47):
Okay, that's exactly where I want to start. So look,
I mean, I think analytics are great. I work in
the field, and I think where they've really done a
good job is what I call predicting the past rather
than the future. So by that, I mean, you know,
growing up, I could tell Jerry Rice was good because

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he was fast and tall. But now we can tell,
you know, player gets good separation. You know they can
win at the catchpoint, et cetera. And I think all
that stuff is super useful so explaining why someone's good.
But I think especially with with fourth down, you know,
there's there's only yes or no. You know, there's not

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like degrees of success, and I don't think stats work
really well for that. And secondly, they totally ignore the
context and they totally ignore the consequence. So you know,
if you had a stat that showed that I could
walk across the mass Pike blindfolded at four am, you know,
eighty percent of the time, I'm still not interested in

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doing it, right, I think you know what happens at
fourth fourth down from your own fifteen is you know,
first of all, I don't think that's happened one hundred
times in a game, right, So I don't know where
the stats are even coming from.

Speaker 1 (01:31:09):
Right, where's the data set the game?

Speaker 15 (01:31:11):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:31:11):
And that you illustrated it perfectly ben for me, because
I don't think that they do that. I think the
numbers are just fourth and one, And I agree with you,
fourth and one from the other team's ten is a
lot different than fourth and one from your own fifteen.
But I don't think it differentiates.

Speaker 1 (01:31:29):
Yeah, I'm not sure it does or it doesn't, but
it should if it doesn't.

Speaker 3 (01:31:33):
But to Ben's point, like, where's the data on fourth
and one from your own fifteen? Right, that's not like
a desperation situation at the end of the game, right,
you have to go for you know, totally different yea
of the game, right, But in the second quarter of
a fourteen to seven game. Yeah, I don't think there's
a lot of data for.

Speaker 1 (01:31:49):
That, all right, Ted, Ben, don't be a stranger. I
like it, Ben, I like first time call again or
email thank you for the call. I just want to
clean out the phone lines here, Ted in San Diego?
What's up?

Speaker 3 (01:32:01):
Ted, San Diego?

Speaker 18 (01:32:03):
Hi, Hey, good, good afternoon everybody. So I got three
very quick points. First off, I know that Paul and
I have not together, but obviously have a history of
following this team. I started back in the late sixties.
I still get angered when people talk about the history
of the team and the just completely gloss over the

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Chuck Fairbanks era. I just feel like if Craft had
been the owner of the team back during those days,
we might have had a dynasty going back during that
era because that team was loaded with some great players,
did he and Buckle o'killroy is I think Paul will
remember did most of the drafting back in those days,
and I just feel like that era gets glossed over

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and that the Satriots only became the Patriots when Parcels
came to the team.

Speaker 1 (01:32:54):
Fairbanks was a really good talent evaluator as well as
bucko kilroy.

Speaker 3 (01:32:58):
And you made a great point of about the ownership too.
If Robert Craft was the owner in the seventies, you know,
Chuck Fairbanks wouldn't have left, They wouldn't have had all
the holdouts that they had every year contractually. So yeah,
it was it. I mean, those are the teams in
my childhood, you know, that sort of seventy eight team
was like the first team I really, you know, seventy
six was the first game I ever went to, but

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seventy eight and I was, you know, I was ten
years old. That's like in the whealelhouse.

Speaker 1 (01:33:24):
Spite the ownership, the good teams.

Speaker 3 (01:33:26):
They were really really teams. Ted's right, they you know
in Fairbanks drafted all those guys, you know, Stanley Morgan,
Raymond Clayble and Mike Haynes, Tim Fox, Pete Brock, Steve Grogan,
John Hannah, like just the Steve Nelson backbone of some
really really good teams.

Speaker 1 (01:33:41):
Absolutely.

Speaker 18 (01:33:44):
Yeah. My second quick point is what I think my
favorite Ourselves quote during the after game or during the
week comments with the press. Somebody had commented one of
the writers said, well, Bill, I heard from an inside
source such and such in parcels. He says, wait a second,
he says, I've got one inside source. It's my brother.

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He's a banker in New Jersey, and none of you
guys know who he is, so don't tell me about
inside sources.

Speaker 1 (01:34:12):
And then my.

Speaker 18 (01:34:14):
Last comment is just about this offense. And again, I've
been a fan a long time, but I don't propose
that I know anything about football. But I just this offense,
and I think Alex alluded to it a little bit.
This offense. I just don't like the five yard passes.
It's kind of been Josh's history with the team, and
I just feel like they need to go downfield a

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little bit more than they do, because it just seems
like the defense can play closer to the line, they
don't really fear anybody going downfield, and I think it
makes it rough on the running game as well, but
keeps up the great work and I'll continue to listen.

Speaker 3 (01:34:47):
All right, that's Ted, So I largely agree with a
lot I do.

Speaker 23 (01:34:51):
I do.

Speaker 1 (01:34:51):
That's where you want to get to, is what Ted's
talking about. I wonder if Josh thinks if Drake is
ready for that, because when he, you know, standing the
pocket and waiting for something to develop, not necessarily all
the way downfield, but you know, fifteen yards away, twelve
fifteen yards away, I think I think he wants to

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ease him into that. It just maybe because of the
accuracy in the he gets all exciting.

Speaker 5 (01:35:20):
Maybe.

Speaker 1 (01:35:21):
Yeah. So we'll see. We'll see how this thing progresses.
Like I said, it's too earling the season to define
the offense or the team as a whole. But we'll
see how things progress. We're waiting for Duce, right, we
can't start until Duce gets here. Oh okay, yeah, yep,
But okay, all right.

Speaker 3 (01:35:43):
So the analytics call though, I really liked, because I
do think analytics have helped make the game better in
terms of encouraging these coaches to not just do it
the way everybody always did it and punt every time.
I think it it lends some intrigue. I just feel like,
if you're just judging it on well, it's fourth and

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X and it says.

Speaker 23 (01:36:05):
Look, what was the moon where the players friendly here?

Speaker 14 (01:36:13):
Henry Mike? What was it like?

Speaker 4 (01:36:15):
Renew like?

Speaker 5 (01:36:19):
What was it like in the locker room?

Speaker 16 (01:36:23):
All right?

Speaker 3 (01:36:24):
Already to run the locker room?

Speaker 1 (01:36:25):
Who talked today?

Speaker 7 (01:36:26):
I was quiet day in the locker room today. Marcus
Jones was the only player we talked to. Not not
a lot of great stuff, but I just mean not
a lot of you know, the same old stuff. Got
to get a win at home, you know, it would
be great to get Gonzo back, et cetera, et cetera.
I think the most notable thing was just PADDs today.
So they're going in the bubble. They got the uppers
on which Rabel said last weekday count as as full pads.

Speaker 3 (01:36:47):
I guess so I think they did that last week.
It was a Thursday instead of Wednesday last week as well, right, I.

Speaker 7 (01:36:52):
Guess that's how they're doing it. But uh, otherwise, guys
just trying to get out of there. There's not a
lot of interviews going on really today.

Speaker 1 (01:36:58):
Who was Evan talking to?

Speaker 4 (01:36:59):
Evan?

Speaker 1 (01:37:00):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (01:37:00):
I saw him go up to you when you think
it was, Yeah, it was.

Speaker 18 (01:37:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:37:04):
I saw him walk up to him when you.

Speaker 3 (01:37:06):
Did, I say, yesterday, probably an offensive lineman. Yeah, and
he like, hey, let's likes to talk ball with the
offensive line.

Speaker 1 (01:37:11):
He does. So yeah, do we get word on what
Josh was talking about today?

Speaker 23 (01:37:16):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (01:37:16):
You know, I haven't had a chance to to review
that yet. I'm not sure I did see just echoing
the fumbles are a team thing, you know, echoing that
sentiment that was.

Speaker 1 (01:37:26):
I'm not buying that. I know that's it's great to
kind of protect your player, admirable, But running back fumbles,
it's the running back hold on, you're.

Speaker 3 (01:37:35):
Gonna get hit. I mean, there are examples where you know,
a guy just gets the ball and he gets buried
and yeah, okay, so that wasn't on the guy right right,
but we can all see that. Yeah, you know, go ahead,
try You're going to get tackled all right, most places.

Speaker 1 (01:37:48):
It's that time of the week, Paul. What happened last week?

Speaker 3 (01:37:58):
So Freddy you can continue your strong start and feel
for the league. Eleven and five you win the week,
followed by Alex ten and six. Not quite up to
your standards, but a good record, nonetheless shockingly Paul third
place this week, Hey, come back nine and seven. I'm
not calling her to comeback. I'm still mired uh and

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then Mike and Evan at eight and eight.

Speaker 4 (01:38:23):
So Evan.

Speaker 3 (01:38:26):
The season standings and the overall now have a tie
at the top between Alex and Fred at thirty seven
and eleventh.

Speaker 1 (01:38:34):
Queen of the prom.

Speaker 5 (01:38:37):
We should make sashes.

Speaker 3 (01:38:39):
Nob okay riding around with the town in the radio. Mike,
you are in third place at thirty one and seventeen,
followed by Evan at twenty eight and twelve and loser
Paul twenty six and twenty two.

Speaker 4 (01:38:55):
That is pathetic.

Speaker 1 (01:38:57):
You're over five hundred.

Speaker 3 (01:38:58):
Well, I've been over five hundred the whole time, but
just are around five hundred. That's pathetic. The picks with
the spread Fred continues to dominate impeccable Field ten and six,
followed by Paul oh at eight and eight. Not good

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Alex seven and nine, Mike and Evan at six and ten.
So the season standings with the spread Fred very impressive
twenty nine and nineteen. Gorman, that's a good record. Let's
see who's next. Alex twenty three and twenty five. Fred
only won over five hundred, ten games over five hundred,
he's the only one over five hundred, twenty three and

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twenty five for Alex, twenty and twenty eight for Mike
I'm Sorry, twenty two and twenty six for Evan, followed
by Mike at twenty and twenty eight and Loser Boy
nineteen and twenty nine Loser Man.

Speaker 1 (01:39:54):
There's still a lot of football will be played, a
lot of picks to be made.

Speaker 3 (01:39:57):
They will lose.

Speaker 1 (01:39:57):
All right, let's get going because we're behind the clock
here in the chain behind the chains. Tonight on Prime
Video eight point fifteen, it's the two and one Seahawks
at the two and one.

Speaker 3 (01:40:08):
Cardinals, Seattle by one and a half.

Speaker 7 (01:40:14):
It did, and I'm not surprised it did. I think
there's a lot of money on Seattle tonight, and I'm
going to stick with it.

Speaker 4 (01:40:19):
I'll take Seattle. I'll lay the point and a half.

Speaker 5 (01:40:23):
M I'll go with the home team.

Speaker 3 (01:40:29):
This is a tough one. I'm gonna be with Alex.
She seems to win more than most. I'm gonna take
Arizona as well.

Speaker 1 (01:40:36):
I'm gonna go with Seattle. Seattle wins this game. Now
we moved to Sunday at nine thirty in the morning
Eastern Time on NFL Network. You know what that means, Mike, Yeah,
this is the this is the two This is the
two and one Vikings at the two and one Steelers,
and I believe this game is being played in AIRD

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in Dublin.

Speaker 3 (01:40:58):
It means I get a little red Zone on action
going during the pregame show as well as the postgame show.
Minnesota by two and a half.

Speaker 7 (01:41:06):
So Minnesota one of the most shocking results of the
last week. I did not see that coming with Carson
Wentz and man, they poured a ton of yards on them.

Speaker 4 (01:41:13):
I gotta think they keep it going.

Speaker 7 (01:41:14):
I'm gonna take Minnesota in Ireland and I will lay
the two and half points.

Speaker 1 (01:41:24):
Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh, Wow, Yeah, short flight.

Speaker 3 (01:41:31):
I kind of agree with Mike that I didn't see
the Vikings coming. But maybe Kevin O'Connell is just that good.
I'm going to take the Vikings.

Speaker 1 (01:41:38):
Yeah. Now you say it's a short shorter flight, but
because of the curvature of the globe, is it actually
I think I think it might be either the same
or a little shorter from I don't know, maybe not. Yeah,
CBS one o'clock.

Speaker 3 (01:41:54):
Would you pick?

Speaker 1 (01:41:55):
Oh, I'm picking the Vikings CBS one o'clock. The two
and one Commanders are at the one and two Falcons.
Falcons reeling a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:42:04):
Here, Washington by one and a half.

Speaker 4 (01:42:08):
I think, does it look like Jay Daniels's in a fight?

Speaker 1 (01:42:11):
I sounds like he won't be playing.

Speaker 3 (01:42:13):
I think he's trying to convince the doctors to let him,
but I'm not sure. Yeah, I just after how Atlanta
looked last Week's hard to pick them. No matter who's
playing quarterback for Washington. It's a close spread, so I'll
take Washington. I'll lay the point and a half Washington.
So one of the things that Fred Kersh has taught
me in his illustrious career picking these games is that

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teams are never quite as bad as they look at
their worst. I got to think Atlanta is a better
team than that. At home, they rally and they come
up with a win. Can we do caveat picks?

Speaker 1 (01:42:46):
Like if Jade and Daniels plays, it's one way.

Speaker 4 (01:42:48):
And I mean, you've got the gambling parlance book, I'll allow.

Speaker 1 (01:42:51):
It, okay, if Jade and Daniels plays Commanders, if not
Falcons all.

Speaker 3 (01:42:56):
Right, I'm gonna write down at Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:42:59):
No, no, should all be able to do that's a
big deal. We don't have the info.

Speaker 3 (01:43:02):
Yeah, I got the confidence in Washington. Okay, I just
put an asterisk down. Okay, so that'll remind me that
I think that's only fair. I mean, who am I
to make fun of? I've picked both the Patriots and
the other team the last two weeks in a row.
I'm finally going to get off that train this week. Okay,
So I'm not making fun of anyone for covering all bases.

Speaker 1 (01:43:20):
One o'clock CBS, The oh and three Saints are at
the three and oh Bills.

Speaker 3 (01:43:25):
Buffalo by fifteen and a half.

Speaker 4 (01:43:27):
Ye wow, a lot of points.

Speaker 7 (01:43:29):
Uh yeah, definitely Buffalo. Just a question of do you
think the Saints are going to have any fight? I
do not think they will.

Speaker 4 (01:43:36):
I'm gonna lay off fifteen and a half of those.

Speaker 5 (01:43:40):
I'm gonna take Buffalo, but I can't. The spread scares
me so.

Speaker 3 (01:43:46):
Sneaky cover maybe Yeah, I'm gonna do the same thing.
I don't think this game will be in question, but
fifteen and a half's a lot. I'll take Buffalo to win.

Speaker 1 (01:43:56):
I mean, everyone thought that last week they were just
going to destroy the Dolphins and it was a one
touchdown game. Ten points, ten points, yeah, fair by twelve. Yeah,
So I'm gonna take the Bills, but i will take
those points. I will take those points. Watch your fingers
window quld slam shot on them one o'clock on Fox.

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The one and two Browns are at the two and
one Lions. That was a big win for the Lions
last week.

Speaker 3 (01:44:28):
Destois by ten.

Speaker 1 (01:44:31):
Ten.

Speaker 4 (01:44:32):
I'm gonna get a little crazy here.

Speaker 7 (01:44:34):
I'm gonna take Detroit to win at home, but I
think maybe a little bit of a letdown coming off
that big win over Baltimore on Monday night, short week,
maybe they don't quite cover it.

Speaker 4 (01:44:42):
I'll take Cleveland plus ten.

Speaker 5 (01:44:44):
I feel the same way.

Speaker 3 (01:44:50):
I'm going to take Detroit to cover. I'm going to
say that they are really intent on showing everybody that
it wasn't just about Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn and
we're a good team without those guys too. And Cleveland
getting a lot of props after they win against green
Bay smelling their own parts well. They do have a
good defense defense and they have for a few Detroit

(01:45:11):
has a really good offense. I'll take the Lions both ways.

Speaker 1 (01:45:16):
I'm gonna take the Lions both ways. Paul, So you're
in good shape on this game. One o'clock CBS, The
oh and three Titans are at the Owen three Texans.
Somebody's gonna get off the shots.

Speaker 3 (01:45:27):
Didn't buy seven.

Speaker 4 (01:45:29):
Seven? Huh?

Speaker 3 (01:45:32):
Cam Ward banged up to by the way, Yeah, I
miss some practice time, yeah, c J. Stroud.

Speaker 7 (01:45:37):
I mean it's it seems like they're having some struggles
there right now. Offensive line of problem. He's got two touchdowns,
three interceptions, not going great. I would take Houston to win. Shoot,
I probably would take the points if if he was
playing the quarterback for Tennessee.

Speaker 3 (01:45:52):
Can't but I'm gonna know that. I don't know that
he's not playing. I just think he missed some practice
time yesterday.

Speaker 4 (01:45:57):
Yeah, I get crazy. I'm gonna I'll take I will
take the points. I'll take the points plus seven for Tennessee.

Speaker 5 (01:46:02):
Please can you all do the same thing?

Speaker 3 (01:46:06):
Yeah, I'm gonna take Houston both ways. They've been disappointing,
but I think they are a better team than than
Tennessee right now and at home, and they take out
some frustrations on the Titans.

Speaker 1 (01:46:19):
I agree, Texans both ways. CBS one o'clock the three
and oho Chargers are at the zero to three.

Speaker 3 (01:46:26):
Giants charge is by six.

Speaker 4 (01:46:31):
Checks in dark time for the Giants.

Speaker 1 (01:46:33):
Justin Herbert early MVP candidate, He's.

Speaker 3 (01:46:35):
Played really, really well.

Speaker 4 (01:46:37):
That's a great observation, Fred. I'm gonna take the Chargers
to win, and I'm gonna lay the points against a rookie.

Speaker 1 (01:46:47):
Now at six six, do we mention that Dart's gonna
yeah quarterback?

Speaker 18 (01:46:53):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:46:54):
So I really like the Chargers, I really like Justin Herbert,
and I think it's a really good team. But this
is the kind of game that the Chargers traditionally stumble.
I think the meadow Lands will have a little juice
with Jackson Dart making his first start. I'll take the
Giants post the upset. Oh oh, light out. I'm not

(01:47:16):
gonna quite go there, but i will take the points. So, Paul,
you might be onto something. Well, if it goes the
way the whole season's gone, the Giants will lose this
game by seven points. They'll have a lead and not
only won't pull the upset off, but they'll lose the
cover by a point. And that is why my friend,

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you go nineteen and twenty nine. They hate spread Fox,
hate me Fox.

Speaker 1 (01:47:41):
At one o'clock, the three and oh Eagles are at
the three and oh Bucks. Something has to.

Speaker 3 (01:47:46):
Give Eagles by three and a half.

Speaker 1 (01:47:50):
Get rowed.

Speaker 10 (01:47:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:47:51):
I picked Philadelphia get upset last week. They did not.

Speaker 3 (01:47:54):
It's a perfect example of it's screwed. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:47:57):
I'm finding hard to pick against Bagger Bacon at home.
I'm going to take Baker Bacon and I'm going to
take those three and a half points for Tampa.

Speaker 3 (01:48:06):
Please, I'm going to take the Eagles, So this is
a tough one. I'm going to take Tampa to win
the game outright on with Mike. Last year, Philly went
into Tampa and the Bucks absolutely eviscerated them. It looked
like Nick Sirianni might lose his job everything. Then they

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never lost again. It was like ridiculous after that point.
But does Philadelphia remember that game and come in here
with something to prove or is Tampa just a bad
matchup for Philadelphia. We'll find out on Sun Go with
Fred's guy gonna let Baker Baker bake.

Speaker 1 (01:48:42):
I'm going to go the other way. I think the
Eagles are a really solid team and I'm gonna they're
going to actually beat the bake So Eagles to cover.
And now we skip over the Patriots at one o'clock
and we go to four five on Fox, it's the
three and oh Colts at the two and one Rams.

Speaker 3 (01:49:05):
Good game, the lar by three and a half.

Speaker 4 (01:49:08):
Yeah, this is a great game. I mean, Indy definitely
the surprise of the league right now.

Speaker 7 (01:49:12):
Daniel Jones playing out of his mind ken of continue
against Sean McVay and the ROMs. You know, I'm gonna
go throw back win for the Rams and I will yeah,
you know what, I'm gonna take the points, though I
think it's gonna be close.

Speaker 4 (01:49:26):
One I'll get. I'll give the Colts some respect to
four and a half.

Speaker 3 (01:49:29):
Three and a half.

Speaker 12 (01:49:30):
Yes, sorry, love what the Colts are doing this year,
but my head says Rams both ways at home.

Speaker 3 (01:49:39):
I'm going to take the Rams both ways also, but
I think the Colts are onto something. I think they're
doing all right. I think they've improved dramatically. But I'll
take the Lar at home, coming off a loss that
they've probably kicking themselves. They had that game in the pocket. Yeah,
twenty six to seven lead, get two field goals blocked

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down the stretch. Not good.

Speaker 1 (01:50:01):
Yeah, word on the street, are the touts are hedging
this one? So I'm gonna take the Colts to cover
Rams win. But Colts cover that that margin, or win
within the margin.

Speaker 3 (01:50:13):
Right, I missed it.

Speaker 1 (01:50:14):
They're in the margins.

Speaker 3 (01:50:16):
I missed it.

Speaker 1 (01:50:18):
Fox at four oh five, the two and one Jaguars
at the three and oh, forty nine Ers.

Speaker 3 (01:50:24):
I think the forty nine ers at three and oh
and they're like something like plus six and points something
like that. Wait, Niners by three and a half.

Speaker 7 (01:50:34):
Yeah, I mean I I think Jacksonville's got a little juice.
I like their weaponry. I can't believe I'm gonna do it,
but I'm gonna take Mac again.

Speaker 6 (01:50:42):
He playing still Matt Jones.

Speaker 4 (01:50:44):
Oh no, but it should be.

Speaker 1 (01:50:45):
I think he's hurt.

Speaker 5 (01:50:48):
Is hurt too.

Speaker 3 (01:50:48):
Yeah, I'm not up in my San Francisco PCL or something.

Speaker 4 (01:50:52):
All right, I'm gonna take San Francisco anywhere.

Speaker 5 (01:50:56):
Jacksonville.

Speaker 3 (01:51:00):
Yeah, I'm gonna take San Francisco at home. But I
will take the hook, as I like to say, and
take Jacksonville to cover Alex.

Speaker 1 (01:51:08):
Why we're the King and Queen Jacksonville outright CBS four
twenty five, the one and two Ravens at the one
and two Chiefs. Who'd have thunk that would be their records?

Speaker 3 (01:51:24):
Baltimore by two and a half on the road.

Speaker 1 (01:51:26):
In Kansas City. Boy, times have changed.

Speaker 7 (01:51:29):
Trying to get that first win, I gotta I'm gonna
go with Lamar. I just think they're too good to
be held down this long. Stop funneling the ball, Derrick Henry.

Speaker 4 (01:51:37):
I think they'll be okay. Sent Kansas City to a
third loss.

Speaker 3 (01:51:42):
Ravens Ravens, Yeah, I just think Baltimore is a better
team right now. Until the Chiefs get some of their
players back, I don't see them having enough weapons to
keep up with Lamar Jackson. The Ravens have to win
an important game at some point as well, be this one.

Speaker 1 (01:51:57):
Ravenswent five CBS one and two Bears at the one
and two Raiders.

Speaker 3 (01:52:05):
So this is, you know, a wise tut Fred Kersh
once told me sometimes there are red flag spreads. Chicago,
coming off of just a blowout win over the Cowboys,
Caleb Williams played really, really well. They go to a
Vegas team that has looked abysmally bad and the Raiders

(01:52:27):
are favorbody one and a half. When you put that sign, what.

Speaker 1 (01:52:34):
Do the sharps know?

Speaker 7 (01:52:35):
Give me, Caleb Williams. I'll give it a whirl. But
you're right, Vegas has not been impressive.

Speaker 4 (01:52:41):
I like the Bears Bears.

Speaker 3 (01:52:44):
Yeah, I think Chicago is the better team. But I
am a scared of this spread, so I'm going to
take Vegas. I think that they know something.

Speaker 1 (01:52:51):
Well, it could be just a betting thing where they
want the money to come in, or they're trying to
get more Bear money coming in. I'm going to take
the Bears. I think they were a better team. I
really so good to pick the better team sometimes.

Speaker 3 (01:53:04):
I no, I agree with you guys. I think Chicago's
a better team.

Speaker 1 (01:53:07):
Uh eight twenty NBC and Universo the two and one
Packers against the one and two Cowboys.

Speaker 3 (01:53:16):
A Green Bay by seven on the road. Trying to
think of something clever to say about Michael Parsons, but
nothing to me, so I have just a long pause.

Speaker 7 (01:53:28):
Now, well, yeah, that's a Michael Parsons comes home two
teams coming off a loss last week. Green Bay I
think got humbled a little bit after their hot start.
I like green Bay to bounce back with Parsons, I
will lay the points.

Speaker 5 (01:53:41):
I'm gonna take Dallas. I'm gonna take green Bay to cover.

Speaker 3 (01:53:44):
Okay, green Bay by seven.

Speaker 5 (01:53:49):
Papers, messing me up again?

Speaker 3 (01:53:50):
What you say, green Bay?

Speaker 1 (01:53:52):
I don't know where you get that page?

Speaker 5 (01:53:54):
That's a big spread?

Speaker 1 (01:53:56):
No, is this like created before the season starts?

Speaker 4 (01:54:02):
A minute?

Speaker 3 (01:54:03):
You have green Bay both ways? Okay? Now, and you
have on this spread it says Dallas is favored.

Speaker 7 (01:54:09):
Well, and this I was going by. Honestly, I go
by what you're spread though, No I know, but it
says this is Dallas five and a half. That doesn't
make any sense of.

Speaker 3 (01:54:16):
I get a new paper that's a twelve difference in
the spread. That's ridiculous.

Speaker 5 (01:54:22):
That's what I'm saying. That's such a big spread.

Speaker 4 (01:54:24):
I just use it for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:54:25):
It doesn't say green Bay was favored by five and
a half.

Speaker 4 (01:54:29):
No, green Bay plus points five point.

Speaker 3 (01:54:32):
That's unbelievable. I don't know where you're getting your information.

Speaker 4 (01:54:35):
Your brackets dot com?

Speaker 3 (01:54:37):
Yeah, get a new source for green Bay by seven spreading.

Speaker 4 (01:54:42):
Yeah, and I took it and I laid it.

Speaker 3 (01:54:44):
Okay, took it and broke a mider.

Speaker 5 (01:54:47):
What I said, then green Bay wins Dallas covers.

Speaker 1 (01:54:49):
Okay, there you go.

Speaker 16 (01:54:51):
There.

Speaker 3 (01:54:51):
I am going to go with the Douche train and
take green Bay both ways?

Speaker 1 (01:54:56):
Agree, green Bay both ways? All right? Monday Night, seven fifteen, ESPN,
ESPN Deportes. It's the oh and three Jets at the
oh and three Dolphins.

Speaker 3 (01:55:09):
Great Monday Night, double head. Somebody's got to win Miami
by two and a half.

Speaker 7 (01:55:14):
Yeah, I'll go with Miami at home against the bad team,
but yeah, probably pretty gross game.

Speaker 5 (01:55:22):
I'm gonna take Miami. Showed some fight against the Bills.

Speaker 3 (01:55:24):
So anybody know if Justin Fields is back.

Speaker 5 (01:55:30):
I feel like I saw something on the tweeter.

Speaker 3 (01:55:33):
I'm gonna take Miami at home in a concussion Yeah yeah,
he was out of last game with a concussion. I'm
gonna take Miami at home, but I don't feel great
about it.

Speaker 1 (01:55:43):
I'm gonna take the Jets.

Speaker 4 (01:55:44):
Yeah, feels practicing today.

Speaker 1 (01:55:46):
I think the Jets probably have a pretty good answer
for Tua. The Dolphins would be hard pressed to score.

Speaker 3 (01:55:54):
And in fairness, the Jets have had a real opportunity
to win two of their games. I mean, I suppose
you could make that argument for the Dolphins too, but
I don't really think they were much of a chance
to win.

Speaker 1 (01:56:04):
The Bills game eight fifteen on ABC, So it's a
double header on the on the mouse and it's what
you like.

Speaker 3 (01:56:10):
Yeah to seven and eight o'clock.

Speaker 1 (01:56:12):
Seven and eight, so I can watch both U two
and one Bengals are at the of course, one and
two Broncos home. Yep, they love that. You can see
the mountains in the background.

Speaker 6 (01:56:23):
Blah blah blah.

Speaker 3 (01:56:25):
Broncos by seven and a half.

Speaker 4 (01:56:28):
Uh, this is a tough one. I mean, it was
a little surprised by Cincinnat's result last week. I'm gonna
take Denver at home. I feel like they're kind of
do lay the points. That defense against Jake Browning should
do the job.

Speaker 5 (01:56:41):
Yeah, Denver lay it.

Speaker 3 (01:56:43):
Yeah, I'm gonna take Denver to win, too, but that's
a lot of points. I'm going to take the points.

Speaker 1 (01:56:48):
Yeah, there's no place like home every week, so Broncos
both ways.

Speaker 3 (01:56:52):
Yeah to your point though, And I can't remember for sure,
but I think Buffalo may be starting with four home
games in the first five weeks something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:57:00):
Yeah, they were on the road.

Speaker 3 (01:57:02):
I think whether they went to the Jets but they
opened it at home against Baltimore, then they went to
the Jets, they were home against Miami, and now they're
home again. Now they're home again, and then they're home again,
and then they're home again next week against the Patriots.
Is that for the first five games?

Speaker 1 (01:57:19):
Maybe towards the end they need like, no, I'm being
serious here, maybe towards in December. I haven't looked at
the schedule, but they need to get out of there
because they're doing stuff for the new stadium.

Speaker 3 (01:57:30):
Like they might have to close the interesting thing.

Speaker 12 (01:57:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:57:33):
Yeah, So they forfeited those games because no owner in
his right mind would say, oh, I'll have a bunch
of road games at the end of.

Speaker 5 (01:57:41):
This Well they do have too. Yeah, two home games
at the end of the season.

Speaker 1 (01:57:46):
So how do they finish the se.

Speaker 5 (01:57:49):
So let's start with end of November. Okay, December.

Speaker 12 (01:57:54):
Yeah, home against the Bengals, away against US, away against
the Browns, and then two games at home against my
series out.

Speaker 3 (01:58:03):
They must have a good stretch of road games in
the middle.

Speaker 1 (01:58:06):
Yeah, all right, Now we go back to one o'clock
on Fox. I don't think Brady's calling this game. It's
the one and two Panthers at the one and two Patriots.

Speaker 4 (01:58:19):
Pretty good.

Speaker 3 (01:58:20):
Sorry, the Patriots by five and a half.

Speaker 4 (01:58:22):
Five and a half. Let's go, what's my score?

Speaker 1 (01:58:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:58:28):
Oh jeez, yeah, no, that's good. All right.

Speaker 7 (01:58:31):
Yeah, I'm gonna go Patriots on this one. Must win
for them in many regards. I think they clean up
the turnovers. I think they put together a pretty good win,
get some momentum going into Buffalo. I'm gonna take Patriots
twenty seven to seventeen.

Speaker 5 (01:58:46):
Patriots twenty seven Panthers fourteen.

Speaker 3 (01:58:52):
Yeah, Mike changed his score from Monday. Twenty seven to
thirteen was the score that Mike and I both came
up at.

Speaker 4 (01:59:01):
Seventeen.

Speaker 3 (01:59:01):
I give the team for the TV show. I just
feel like the Panthers don't have enough offense to keep up,
and I think the Patriots will wear down that defense.
I think you can run on them. I think the
Patriots want to run the ball more effectively. Just got
to hold onto it. You hold onto it, you should
be able to win this game twenty seven to thirteen.

Speaker 1 (01:59:22):
Folks, For the second time this season, I am guaranteeing
a Patriots win. And not only am I guaranteeing a win,
I'm guaranteeing a blowout forty one to ten Patriots. I
was right on the thirty burger last time. I'm going
to be right on the forty steak this time. It's

(01:59:46):
not a burger. It's a steak. Forty one to ten
Patriots over the Panthers. Not all the points come on offense,
but they're going to have forty one points.

Speaker 3 (01:59:57):
Well, I go, that's for sure.

Speaker 1 (02:00:00):
He doesn't believe. I believe.

Speaker 3 (02:00:01):
Oh, I believe this is going to be an easy win.

Speaker 10 (02:00:03):
I do.

Speaker 1 (02:00:04):
Really, Yeah, twenty seven thirteen. That's a that's a good
that's good for you. That's a that's a huge blow
I need it. That's like a seven nothing soccer score
for you. Yeah, it'll be a great soccer you know soccer. Right,
all right, that's going to be it for this edition
of Patriots Unfiltered. Remember, go to wherever you get your
podcast Pats from the Past and look at the parcels. Interview.

(02:00:25):
Be a lot of fun for you old timers, especially
this weekend pregame show ten forty five forty five. Right,
we have the new schedule, so do that, and then
the postgame show should be a lot of fun because
I'll be coming down here riding Hi Baby.

Speaker 3 (02:00:43):
They don't. I think we will have an enjoyable doughnut
for Freddy and if not, we'll be look out. Take
away the shoelaces.

Speaker 1 (02:00:52):
If it doesn't go well, okay, that's me. We'll see
you Sunday unwatched.

Speaker 4 (02:01:00):
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