Patriots Unfiltered 9/3: Mike Vrabel Media Availability, Latest News, Pats Week 1 Predictions

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Reading the stars.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
Alex is just reading the stars. We got a shoe
house for three and post game shows, beats in the booth,
making everything. We're all pretty stoked about Rabel and Meg and.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
Everybody still Peyton, no Christian.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Hey, it's a brand Peal season past.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
Give us something to believe and ready for three shows
the week.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
It's been too long enough.

Speaker 4 (00:29):
I get a T shirt for riding this song.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
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Speaker 2 (00:43):
Welcome. I don't see it tally later. Our camera's on
there we go. All right, all right, what's going on?

Speaker 5 (01:00):
Remember back in the old days when you would forget
to put your mic on?

Speaker 2 (01:03):
Oh yeah, put your mic on Rat, put your mic
on Fred.

Speaker 5 (01:05):
Who was that kid to gender to gender Daniel to
gender fit in?

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Well today anyway, Jesus, all right, it is Wednesday, first
Wednesday show off the regular. It is Wednesday here at
Jillette Stadium, and we're back to three days a week.
In case you haven't noticed, Uh, it's Paul, it's Deuce,
it's me. Evan will be by later because he's going
to where.

Speaker 6 (01:30):
Well, I think he just did two hours of radio
and we all felt we'd save everybody from another two
hours of joking.

Speaker 5 (01:35):
That's probably a reason.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
That's a great one. He's gonna do a little Rabel.

Speaker 7 (01:39):
He's gonna we're gonna do the locker room and.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
Well, we're gonna go to Rabel to live. Everybody comes on.

Speaker 6 (01:43):
Then I'll go to the locker room. He'll be come in,
he'll come in after practice. I'll report, so you know,
there'll be some comings and goings.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Yeah, there's a lot of movement, a lot of a
lot of moving, moving stuff going on in today's show.
But here we are talking about week one. We kicked
it off yesterday, a lively show. Very are you excited?
Raiders coming to town? One o'clock tilt here at Jilette Stadium.
Weather's going to be beautiful.

Speaker 7 (02:07):
Yeah, it looked a little gray. I checked the forecast.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Now it's a little rainy.

Speaker 7 (02:10):
But see was supposed to be really nice, but perhaps
perhaps wrong, you know, you know, New England, Paul, though
the weather changes.

Speaker 5 (02:16):
If you don't like it, just wait a minute.

Speaker 7 (02:18):
Wait a minute.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
Yeah, Patriot's still favored by about.

Speaker 5 (02:23):
And a half till last I checked, was that.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Moved it all from the beginning. Was it three? Was it?
Has it gone up?

Speaker 5 (02:29):
I do not know the answer to that question.

Speaker 7 (02:31):
No, let's see.

Speaker 6 (02:32):
I mean maybe today after see some of the first
injury report of the year, so perhaps that I.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
Think you'll lose that half point because Gonzo was a
question I think.

Speaker 5 (02:40):
Could be you get three. Speaking of Gonzo, Yes, I
started to think a little bit about Fred's sort of subterfuge,
the ruse if you will, what if the what if
we see him? Do you think there's a chance you
see him on the practice field today, like when we

(03:00):
get the injury report at four o'clock or so or
whenever it comes out it' says Christian Gonzales Limited Limited. Yeah,
do you think there's a chance of that?

Speaker 4 (03:08):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (03:09):
Well, and if so, okay, would that be your subterfuge?
Like the other way, like we're not going to hold
him out to make the Raiders think he's not playing.

Speaker 7 (03:20):
We're going to have We're going to have.

Speaker 5 (03:21):
Practicing a little bit so the media sees him to
make the Raiders think he is playing. Right like that
at least that's where the subterfuge comes in and Fred's there,
But maybe on the other side.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
Of it, I would be more leaning to that. If
today wasn't a day in pads, they're going to be
in pads. You know, you really going through the motions
if you make them dressing pads just to have them.

Speaker 5 (03:45):
I don't necessarily think they're going through the motions. I
just don't think after missing five straight weeks of work,
you can just walk out there and practice a couple
of times in play.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (03:54):
I mean I guess you could, but I'd find that unlikely.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
So somebody in an email and right now I'm trying
to get to emails, but my computer doesn't work. The
keyboard doesn't work. But we'll deal with that later. Don't
worry Aboudye just looked up like one of those morments marmots.

Speaker 5 (04:12):
Yeah, what, what's what's going on?

Speaker 2 (04:16):
Nothing's working?

Speaker 5 (04:18):
You know what? Hey, hey Beth, if you just keep
hitting the buttons, maybe they'll start working.

Speaker 7 (04:23):
You don't say that.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
Actually it was the keyboard. I knew it was all right, definitely,
Like listen, I want to I want to say this.
It's this is based on nothing. I don't have any rumblings,
and some people might be even mad that I'm even
bringing it up. But what if, like this is a

(04:45):
contract thing, Like what if like no one neither side
is saying anything about it because they're both being you know,
good partners. But what if he's just like, you know what,
I'm looking for an extension here.

Speaker 5 (04:58):
Well, he can't get an extent, can't the third year
and surgery's got too compared to be three years in.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
So this is his third year, but it have to
be after his third correct.

Speaker 5 (05:08):
I mean, I don't think you're speculation is not showing
it for next year. That there's a line of thought
that this is related to his contract and that he's
not going to get back out there. Not that he
injured himself as part of some sort of elaborate contract negotiation,
but the line of thought is that he's dealing with
a bad hamstring and he's not going to get back

(05:30):
on the field until he is one hundred ready to
get back on the field, with the thought being I
don't want to put anything less than my absolute best
out there. A lot of people felt like sauce Gardo
did a little of this last year with the Jets.
Didn't have as good a year last year because he
was trying to make sure his focus was to make

(05:51):
it through the season as healthy as he could to
better as Now, to me, that's kind of walked logic.
I'm not going to play as well as I can
because I want to cash in later in the year.
As you don't know, But he doesn't.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
Want to put anything on tape that would say that. No,
I'm not at all pro.

Speaker 5 (06:06):
It worked for him. It worked for Sauce Gardner. He
got a big contract despite I would say probably having
the third of his third best of his three seasons
in the league. But I don't necessarily buy it with Gonzo,
And I'll tell you why. I just think we've seen
too much of them. He's traveling to, you know, two

(06:27):
preseason trips that he didn't have to travel to. Like
he seems like he's really on board, really part of
the equation, you know. That kind of sounds like to
me an individual thing to do, you know, like I'm
going to protect myself here for with my contract in mind,
not necessarily on board with whatever the team's doing.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
I mean, I suppose you could do it. The modern
agent is, you know, advising players on I'm not talking
about gods. I'm talking in general.

Speaker 6 (06:53):
Now, I hope not because it's just it's stupid, and
it's you know, I just told him me think those
things come back and bite you in the butt.

Speaker 7 (06:59):
You try to lay it out all perfectly, well.

Speaker 6 (07:01):
I'm only going to go when I'm this, and you know,
ultimately you have to get ready for the season, and
the important thing would be to be out there if
you were able to. But to me, this reeks of
a hamstring injury that seemed like it was minor at first,
and it's lingered. And I think Paul's right to think
we want to get back to one for both the
team and for the player.

Speaker 7 (07:20):
But it's hard for me to see him trying to
make a.

Speaker 6 (07:21):
Power play now when he really only has one season
that he's actually played.

Speaker 5 (07:25):
It reeks to me of, uh, just a setback. He
had to have had a setback. I think that's why
it's sort of changed, because everybody was really nothing to see, hear,
nothing to worry about it, and all all of a sudden,
say the last week ten days, everybody's like, geez, I
wonder if he's going to play in the opener.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
Yeah, I think they'll for it.

Speaker 6 (07:43):
To your point, I would maybe bad money. He's gonna
be out there today, because why not, like, at least
you give him sorry that point, but at least put
the thought in their head. And and even if you
do make them strap on his shoulder pads for a minute,
hopefully he's at the point where keep him on. Let's
go do some conditioning after the mediately eves and we'll
do your work that way. But because if he's not
there today, then to me, that's oh, he's not playing.

Speaker 7 (08:05):
He's not playing.

Speaker 5 (08:06):
See I don't think he's playing Sunday. But I do
think there's a chance that he's out there today as
just regular part of getting back into practice. He has
to start practicing if he's ever going to get back
on the field.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
You can pass.

Speaker 5 (08:18):
Yeah, well, just in general, what he has not practiced,
even in the walkthroughs Fred, he hasn't taken part in
And Mike, you might know the answer to this. Mike,
we have seen him do some conditioning on the field
right in front of us.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
We did it in Minnesota a little bit.

Speaker 6 (08:37):
But I got to be honest, I don't really I
don't really remember it, to be honest, I.

Speaker 5 (08:41):
Don't either, but everybody else is talking about it.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
No, he was mooring up in Minnesota. You know, he
was out there doing you know, doing something, running around
and actually some sprints, and you know, then you'll wonder
if this something happened there.

Speaker 5 (08:55):
Well, that's what I'm I think that there was some
sort of setback.

Speaker 7 (08:58):
Yeah, maybe that's where it was.

Speaker 5 (09:00):
But I don't know when or how. But I felt
like the way that Mike Vrabel answered the question on Monday,
where he sort of he started to say, yeah, he's
been out a little bit longer than we thought, but
he stopped short of saying that, yeah, it's been and
then he kind of went in a different direction. I
think he was trying. I think he was kind of
alluding to the fact that, yeah, there's been some bumps

(09:22):
along the way in this rehab process. But I do
think he's been rehabbing. I don't think this is Listen.
I don't want to say it has nothing to do
with contract, because let's face it, these guys and their
right to do it. They have to take care of themselves.
They're independent contractors, sure, right, So I don't want to
say has nothing to do with the contract. But I
don't think he's not practicing at all, because I'm not

(09:42):
going to practice until you know I'm one hundred percent,
you know, because I have to worry about my contract.
I don't think it's that blatant. And I really don't
think that was what Sauce Gardner did last year either,
although everybody says.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
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Speaker 5 (10:32):
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Saturday while I was watching some college football ships myself.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
Nothing better than myself.

Speaker 5 (10:43):
And my empty nest I did I had. I had
some tostitos that I laid out on like a baking sheet.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
You laid it out, Oh and you got to.

Speaker 5 (10:53):
Put some some shredded cheese on it. Nachos and I
made nachos, okay with mystitos.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
And when you when I when you just have like
cold tostitos, Yeah, with satzer sausa salsa, sausa salsa. Do
you get regular medium or hot?

Speaker 5 (11:12):
I get the medium medium, I do. The hot is
just a little too hot. But I do like the
I like a little spical kick, like a little kick.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
All right.

Speaker 5 (11:22):
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Speaker 6 (11:24):
I had the chips saying I went to rest the
Mexican restaurant this weekend and we had they bring chips
to the table and then you fill up on the chips.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
But I was also iron the nacho where, Yeah, isn't
that great? I went to the one Hyenna's under the
Big Tree, you know, so if you ever got their
their chowder lobster biss really with a kick.

Speaker 6 (11:45):
Next Mexican really my you know, my wife California, and
she said, this is the best Mexican food I've had
in Massachusetts.

Speaker 7 (11:54):
We went back there, Yeah, and yeah's good.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
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Speaker 7 (11:59):
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Speaker 2 (12:06):
So anyway, all right, so there, so back to our discussion.
You call me back to our discussion. Yes, this will
be the first day of practice. They're going to be
in pads, everybody's going to be taking attendance. I'm sure
the tweets will be flying the moment practice starts and
who's there and who's not there.

Speaker 5 (12:26):
I just was thinking, if you're in your scenario that
you threw out yesterday, and you know, like like you
like to say, now, Fred, you and I we have
long commutes. Yeah, we have a lot to think about.
And I started thinking, I'm like, what if Fred's right?
What if it's some sort of subterfuge, but not necessarily
the way we were talking about it yesterday. Maybe the opposite.
Maybe they're going to get him out there to make

(12:47):
the Raiders think he is going.

Speaker 6 (12:48):
To play right right, there's a possibility I would at
least get him out there today and watch everybody go
crazy and.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
Get Gonzo's back.

Speaker 6 (12:56):
Gonzo's back, and even if he the second day leave,
he's down on the lower he'll just jogging around find
but at least put this possibility in.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
There now, just so people know. Practice can be audited
by the league. So after every practice, every team has
to come out with their participation report. It's not an
injury report, it's a participation report. Did you fully participate,
did you partially participate, or did you not practice? So

(13:25):
if the Patriots aren't going to be able to say, oh,
he fully participated, if when the media leaves, they send
him to the other hill. So theoretically that practice report
that's going to come out today, first one of the season,
will give us an indication if he's out there, what
level did he participate?

Speaker 6 (13:43):
Yeah, I mean I think he'd be limited no matter what.
But also sets up for Friday. I mentioned it that
Brabel meets with us after practice, so if Gonzo's out there,
he'll give us some kind of insight into what might be.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
So for this show, though, I'm going to be talking
about this game coming up as if he's not playing,
I'm just going to assume he's not playing. I would agree, friend, Yeah,
that's the way you you know, So anything I say, oh,
the Patriots have a chance to do this or that,
I'm assuming that it doesn't include Gonzo.

Speaker 6 (14:09):
Yeah, and I think it's it's not the worst week
to not have your number one corner, But it's also
just thinking about Bowers and maybe thinking about putting a
corner on him. It's just it you're a little thinner.
Everything that gets not the passing league.

Speaker 5 (14:23):
And it's never good not to have your best player availed.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (14:25):
Right, I mean, it's a significant part of the team.
But I would agree with you. Next week, you're going
down to South Florida to play the Dolphins and they
have when they're right a quarterback who loves to use
those two wide receivers. So not having him for that game,
to me, would be far more damaging than not having
him for the Raiders.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
I do think that we touched on it yesterday. We
have to consider Jante in the passing game, and that's
a that's something that's a wildcard. We don't know how
good he's going to be in the NFL in that role,
but I think he's going to be good personally.

Speaker 6 (15:02):
I think it's a perfect week one kind of thing
where just feed your what is he fifth overall pick?

Speaker 7 (15:07):
You know, feed this guy.

Speaker 6 (15:08):
I mean, that's what I would do. I mean, I
think the Patriots are probably gonna maybe lean. I think
they'll lean into the run generally speaking, but I think
they'll lean a little bit more into the run early on,
just get a feel for it. Hopefully they can hang
onto the ball, of course. But I would feed Genty, I.

Speaker 7 (15:22):
Would use him to test everything that the Patriots are
going to do. Screen games, yeah, you know, quick game because.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
Pino Smith isn't considered a mobile quarterback. He can run, Yeah,
he's still I think he athletic enough, but you know,
he's not Josh Allen.

Speaker 5 (15:34):
He's not going to run by design. He's going to
run as a scrambler. But I agree with Mike and
Mike and I both talked about this because we've already
taped our various show variot predictions. But I agree with
the mindset of both teams probably going to want to
run the ball. And I was really interested because I
would think that that kind of lent itself to a

(15:55):
you know, maybe low twenties kind of game at most.
And I was listening to Greg Bdard, Yes, and he
thinks it's going to be a shootout. He think it's
going to be a really high scoring game. He didn't
give a score, so I don't know what he said,
high scoring with both offenses because he doesn't think much
of the Raiders defense and he's a little concerned about
what he's seen so far from the Patriots defense. I'm

(16:16):
sure Gonzales the situation factors into that as well. I
just can't imagine that Pete Carroll doesn't want to use
his first first round pick and lean on him, like
Mike just said. And I'm pretty sure that Josh McDaniels
is going to want to do the same to help
out this young offensive line. You know that is generally

(16:36):
across the board, are all considered better run blockers than
pass blockers. Why wouldn't you want to try to establish
the run. I'd be surprised if the teams didn't at
least start the game conservatively.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
Yeah, you get prepared for the comparisons. So the Patriots
could have had Jenttey and then they still could have
had a left tackle.

Speaker 7 (16:53):
You know, I told you I tried. Guys. Now, I'm
happy with Bill Campbell. The thing though, how.

Speaker 5 (16:58):
Come you're the only one allowed to have arguments before
they happened.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
That's already happened. But when I think I made that up.
It was on one of your shows.

Speaker 5 (17:07):
But you just said, but you literally just say get
ready for people that say.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
Genty like, I don't know they will.

Speaker 5 (17:15):
He's not one to argue ahead of time when I
do it.

Speaker 7 (17:19):
He knows what's coming.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (17:20):
The thing was interesting me though. I talked to Paul
a little bit about it and we mentioned Patrick Graham,
but you know, he survived two regimes.

Speaker 6 (17:26):
He was Josh's defensive coordinator. That guy's got a pretty
good beat on what Josh wants to do. I know,
I think it was David Andrews just spoke to Andrew Callahan.
I saw a clip of the podcast and David Andrews said,
Tennessee gave them a lot of problems in twenty eighteen
when Rabel beat the Patriots, and he said, because he
understood our protections, and you know, David Andrews did that

(17:47):
was kind of a nightmare game where we felt we
were a little bit in the blender one of the
few times with Brady and so I just I wonder
similar circumstances with Patrick Graham, who I mean, he was
Josh's defensive coordinator. He's been in that system, there for
two years now.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
If you could put Brady in a blender, yeah.

Speaker 6 (18:02):
Right, So, I mean he he obviously has a very
intimate understanding of Josh McDaniels and Josh McDaniels offense. So
I just wonder if how much that's going to come
into play. And we'll talk to Josh tomorrow. I think
it's a good question to ask him a little bit
about Patrick Graham and his influence on that defense.

Speaker 7 (18:18):
And you know what's going on with the Raiders.

Speaker 6 (18:20):
Are they trying to do what Pete Carroll wants to
do or are they trying to do what Patrick Graham's
kind of come up with the Patriots and game planning
and that kind of stuff.

Speaker 7 (18:27):
So so many more unknowns I think.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
With well, and Pete Carroll is no slouch himself when
it comes to defensive game planning. You know. That's how
he made his name in the NFL with the forty
nine ers and had one of the best defenses in
the league with the Seahawks. You know, you sure did.

Speaker 6 (18:45):
Yeah, And I mean even I mean I saw with
USC in the college game when he was you know,
put putting pros left and right out of that program.
But yeah, It's just a lot of interesting matchups, and
there's always so many unknowns in Week one. But when
you have two new head coaches and Chip Kelly back
in the NFL, and there's just a lot.

Speaker 7 (19:03):
Of different things going on with all the different stories.

Speaker 5 (19:06):
Kelly's a real X factor too. I have no idea
what to expect from him offensively at all, and I'm
sure that the coaches are scrambling themselves, you know how
much what they saw in the summer with the preseason
games is an indication of what they're going to do.
It's a new quarterback in a new system, and Chip
Kelly hasn't even been in the NFL for a while,
so there's a lot of unknown there, you know. I

(19:28):
remember Bill used to always talk about the unknowns of
Week one are always enormous because you never really know
exactly what to expect. You add in the fact that
Chip Kelly was in college last year. I don't know
all of the key guys that you're talking about basically
are new, so I don't know how you have a

(19:48):
beat on what they might be bring.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
You got to believe that in the NFL every team,
every team has somebody on the payroll who's a ten,
their schedule, opponents practices in the summer.

Speaker 7 (20:04):
It happens a lot, and.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
You know, you know, they're not out there with binoculars
or a notepad, but they're looking and they're you know,
just committing it to memory and then making a phone
call when they're done. Yeah, this is what I saw.
Don't you wouldn't you do that?

Speaker 6 (20:18):
I would surely practices like ours where you just all.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
The practices are like that. They're the only ones in the.

Speaker 5 (20:25):
Past that charge with the Washington try to and then
and then by doing that, you have to allow the
scouts in.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
Okay, So like anyone can walk into these practices and
I don't know, like Paul could walk in and his
blue shirt to the Raiders practice and they don't know
what he's doing. Well, you think he's a fan.

Speaker 6 (20:47):
But the flip side of it, if you were here,
would you hire somebody to watch the stands and kind
of audit what's going on in the story.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Like I said, you're not sitting there with binoculars in
a notepad. I put them in a Raider shirt, make
them look like a fan and you're just watching with
everyone else. But you're watching with a keen eye for
what you're seeing and then you report back afterwards, like
a lot of these guys. Now, you can't believe every
team is not doing that.

Speaker 7 (21:13):
Good question.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
You only have to look at what eight opponents, right.

Speaker 7 (21:18):
I mean definitely the ones that you know, how.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
Many if you look at the what we played three
teams twice, so that's three so fourteen opponents? You know? Okay, yeah, yeah,
you only have to you only have to have like.

Speaker 5 (21:33):
We only have eight games seventeen. But no, no, you
have to worry abody.

Speaker 6 (21:37):
What would you if you were the Patriots doing would
you have to go to the Bills and Dolphins? You
already kind of know, and that seems an unnecessary risk?

Speaker 2 (21:43):
Why not?

Speaker 7 (21:44):
Yeah, everybody?

Speaker 2 (21:45):
Why not?

Speaker 5 (21:45):
I know, if you were here every day, what would
you if the raider? What would you think the Raiders
would have gleaned from being here every day?

Speaker 3 (21:51):
Well?

Speaker 7 (21:51):
The Patriots going to do I don't know, probably more
than we can tell. You know, they probably have.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
They're looking at the stuff that we're not allowed to report, formations,
things like that. You know, I just would say we
were there, you know, play a grouping, Yeah, situational groupings.

Speaker 5 (22:07):
I just feel like I kind of know that stuff.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (22:11):
I mean, it's part of the question.

Speaker 6 (22:12):
I think it's I mean, I don't know if it's
is the juice worth the squeeze that they are the
league telling them you can't do this?

Speaker 7 (22:17):
Is there an unwritten rules, don't.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
I'm sure there is an unwritten rule that it's not
good sportsmanship. But like I would do it, and I
think every team should do it. I don't think that
you should not do it.

Speaker 6 (22:31):
I just would worry that everyone in the league knows
each other, and to put someone onto this task, they
would need to have a foundation of knowledge so they
understand what they're seeing.

Speaker 7 (22:39):
What's important.

Speaker 6 (22:40):
So it's hard to find somebody that nobody knows. And
just that chance that you know, want somebody on.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
Well, that's a good part.

Speaker 6 (22:48):
I know, this guy works with the colts out there.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
You're doing a good point.

Speaker 7 (22:54):
And he's got the you know, the mister McGoo glasses.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
You have to have a certain level of knowledge, and
if you have that certain level of knowledge, people might
know you.

Speaker 5 (23:03):
And yeah, my bigger point was I feel like for
the most part, the game plan oriented stuff doesn't happen
in training camp. It happens once the practice is.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
You're not looking for what they're going to do against us,
but you're looking at in third down and short this
is the grouping that they're using.

Speaker 6 (23:21):
Well, what about a joint practice, which I mean, is
that like is that a little bit more You're seeing
two teams maybe and not seeing game planning, but you
are everything a little bit closer to what reality is.

Speaker 5 (23:30):
I get what Paul's saying though that I'm not saying
there's real value and it I didn't poo pooh Fred's theory.
I just I think in order to really know what
a team is going to do, yeah, yeah, I think
that's behind closed doors. I don't think teams are doing
exactly what they're going to do every you know what
I mean, right, But they're kind of hiding some of
that stuff knowing that the practices are open and that

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fans are videoing and putting them on Twitter and whatnot.

Speaker 6 (23:54):
Yeah, we'll get we'll get what we need from thanks
to the fans that are putting the legals of them
on the internet.

Speaker 7 (24:00):
But I I mean, I I I don't know.

Speaker 6 (24:03):
I think that there probably are teams to do it though,
because as we know listen.

Speaker 5 (24:08):
I wouldn't be doing That's why I didn't pooh poop
friends a whole theory. I wouldn't be surprised if teams
do it.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
There's an old story about when the Raiders practice I
forget whether it was la or or Oakland. Their practice
field was surrounded by hills and there were houses on
the hills. And somebody was talking to Al Davis. Is
aren't you worried about like people being in those He goes,
I bought them. You bought the houses, so the Raiders
own them. You know, it sounds like some Davis. And

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even here, you know, we've got the hotel. What's to
stop somebody from getting you know, the highest room? What's that? Oh? Okay,
let's go to Rabela.

Speaker 8 (24:49):
That's what's been recording for seven minutes. I wonder if
there's anything good on there? Yeah, what do you guys
talk about it here? Before we get started?

Speaker 9 (25:00):
I doubt that Mark has told me about your.

Speaker 8 (25:03):
Podcast beautiful take advantage of it?

Speaker 3 (25:09):
Teresa? Are sorry, Carol? Well, it happens right like that?

Speaker 9 (25:20):
Can we are we expecting to have Christian out there?

Speaker 3 (25:24):
And if you don't?

Speaker 5 (25:25):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (25:26):
Is it safe to say?

Speaker 4 (25:28):
Who's who won't reveil.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
Well, I wouldn't say that.

Speaker 8 (25:31):
You know, well, he's continuing to work and he'll do
you know, some stuff on the side, but I you know,
I'm not gonna rule anybody out stays.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
He just made an announcement about the injury report.

Speaker 8 (25:41):
So well, we'll continue to work and treat and make
sure that we're doing everything and that we can to
help him, and he's doing everything he can to to
get back out on the field. That that's the only
update I have right now.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
We won't see him today, or it didn't sound now,
didn't sound like it. He continue to avoid ir that possibility.
So no, he just won't be out there today. Mark. Uh,
you know, I can't tell you much other than that.

Speaker 5 (26:10):
So how much does a guy.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
Like him needs to practice before you feel comfortable blaing
in the game.

Speaker 8 (26:14):
It won't be today, So I apologize, but you know
that's where it'll be. Like I mean, I do like
where he's at from an engagement standpoint.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
We've been through this with other players.

Speaker 8 (26:25):
And like where he's at from that standpoint in the meetings.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
Locked in.

Speaker 8 (26:34):
Falling along a practice which is difficult, which is difficult
to think that a player that's not in there can
follow along. I've been through that as a player and
a coach, and I think he's done a nice job
of being able to do that.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
Quick.

Speaker 7 (26:51):
Is it important for players to get to one hundred?

Speaker 3 (26:54):
Is every player different?

Speaker 8 (26:55):
Because well, every player, I mean, we don't. I don't
use percentages. Again, I'll remind you what we talked about
as far as when I try to make decisions about
players and returning.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
One. Can can they make it worse?

Speaker 10 (27:11):
One?

Speaker 3 (27:12):
Can they to protect themselves?

Speaker 8 (27:13):
We can all say what we want about this game,
but you know, I mean it's violent.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
And can you protect yourself?

Speaker 8 (27:21):
And can you do your job up to the standard
that we expect and that the that the player is
used to. So those are the things that I've tried
to use when making decisions. Maybe I'll add some to that,
but that's what I've tried to use in my other
experience in this position.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
Like the initial reports, and I know that it didn't
come from you.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
With the initial h I.

Speaker 8 (27:42):
Mean, please, guys, I mean we we have this is
the first Wednesday of the season, and he's not going.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
To be at practice, and I just please use your.

Speaker 8 (27:51):
Time as efficiently as we can about our team about
the Raiders, and I know Christian is a large part
of our team, but he's not going to be out
there today.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
So that's all I can update you with. Do have
anything else since I cut you off?

Speaker 11 (28:05):
Yeah, well I got to read about the Raiders this week,
so yeah, I know one is always tricky, but the
fact that they bring in Geno.

Speaker 5 (28:13):
They have ashen.

Speaker 8 (28:15):
Terrific young skill players. I mean Brock Bauers plays like
a wide receiver. He's a willing blocker, gentee, powerful, fast,
continues to move his feet after contact, breaks a lot
of tackles, you know, speed on the outside, savviness with
Myers big physical offensive line.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
So that'll be a challenge when you talk about that.

Speaker 8 (28:40):
Gino really does a nice job of taking care of
the football or a very good completion percentage, so he
knows where he wants to go with football.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
Like following that up a little bit during a first week,
how tough is it to get ready for opponent with
a first year coach?

Speaker 3 (28:56):
Do you have to go back to what Pete has
done with other teams?

Speaker 8 (28:59):
Well, I mean they have they have a first year
defensive coach with a coordinator that's been there and done stuff.
And then they have a new offensive coordinator who's been
in the NFL and has also come from the Ohio
State University. And so that's a pretty unique, i think,
blend of what we have to try to anticipate. We're

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not going to be there's going to be numerous plays
in the game that we won't have seen or we
won't have run in practice in this preparation.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
That's how it goes.

Speaker 8 (29:29):
I mean, that's gonna be like that every week, but
just trying to get themes and concepts and ideas of
what they may want to do defensively with Pat and
Pete's style and scheme, and then what they may want
to do from offensively from what Chip's done in the

(29:51):
past in the NFL, for what he's done in college,
and what Gino likes. Certainly quarterbacks in this league, you know,
like things, and we'll get get things at it. So
I'm sure there'll be things that he's liked that that
they'll run from, from plays he liked in Seattle.

Speaker 3 (30:07):
Carol that over.

Speaker 9 (30:08):
While I think goes you pack ramp and see Josh
m Pana's offense a million times and being here Patriots
and Josh will also tap piece defense in different ways.
Walls playoff games becaust graphic defense. With the Chargers, do
you try and game out how they'll we act what
you're doing, et cetera.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
Do you do well?

Speaker 8 (30:30):
The one thing you don't want to be is too cute,
certainly in week one or at any time, and think, well,
they know and they think we're going to do this,
so that we're going to do this, And I mean
I think we have to you know, be really sound
and and use our rules and you know, if we
see something that that's new, you know, we have to

(30:50):
keep our composure and and keep our poise and and
figure out ways to make it work.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
Season Les, did you say what person? Yes?

Speaker 9 (31:03):
Just what did you see as the leaders?

Speaker 8 (31:06):
I mean really by example, just his is the way
that his his practice habits his professionalism, I would say,
And then you know his performance on the field and
what he does and how he plays. So really like
being around Marcus, like the person who is he is
and the player that he is.

Speaker 12 (31:25):
Like I know in Tennessee, you would identify three or
four things the team had to do for every game
in order to win. These kind of keys to what
now have you done that already this weekend? If so,
is that something you'll share with us?

Speaker 8 (31:37):
Yes, we have, and know we won't. You know, you
don't want to get too convoluted and just try to
make sure that the players that are seeing it the
same way as we do. After all the film and
you know, things that we think are going to be
important this week and having been through it, It's not
like I want him to memorize and have to look down.

Speaker 3 (31:57):
I wanted to understand how.

Speaker 8 (31:59):
How they're in their position, what they can do to
help us execute those keys. And so it's not just
a blanket and broad statement. It's like, how does my
job as a left guard, or how does my job
as a you know, a safety or a nickel help
us execute these keys or what we're trying to get
done on special teams?

Speaker 10 (32:20):
Erland known for his Color three defense and then ship
Kelly's kind of known for his up temple offense.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
Is that sill theication and perspective?

Speaker 3 (32:26):
And are there any ways that.

Speaker 7 (32:27):
Those systems have evolved since you know less some of those.

Speaker 8 (32:29):
Kinds of mo Yeah, man, they you know, Pete's done
it for a long time and you know they have
their adjustment. When you run something extensively or the majority
of the time, you have to have answers, right because
you know, you know that people are going to try
to scheme you, and you have to be able to

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have answers. They've evolved and done a great job and
have answers and different ways to play things that they
want to do. And then they have their their changeups
and their mixers. And then certainly Chips offense has expanded
and grown. I mean Chip Chip used to call it
on an index card. It's seven plays and you know,

(33:10):
they just were really good at them and they went
really fast. And so I think that that's all evolved
from the stuff at U c l A, from stuff
at Ohio State to what he'll he'll do with you know,
those skilled players that we mentioned with with the Raiders
said on the team to a second half, Yeah, called

(33:32):
you a coach your players.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
Out to reach that expectation.

Speaker 8 (33:35):
Well, I think conditioning, I think an emphasis, I think
taking a break.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
And that's a good question. I appreciate that.

Speaker 8 (33:42):
And you know, we actually put a break in there
and at the midway through practice where we have two
team periods left, and I said, you know, you guys
are gonna think this is some gimmick, but it's gonna
be me saying, hey, coaches, get together, tell them listen,
this is.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
What you know, it's how practice started. Whatever's going on.

Speaker 8 (33:58):
Just be conscious here to a strong win the second half,
win the second half. And yeah, I think it's just
a good reminder and in working on our conditioning, like
regarding put.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
The tempo play in the second half and the Chips
offensive style and fast.

Speaker 8 (34:14):
Well, I mean it's not. I don't think it's as
breaking there and maybe it will be. I mean we'll see,
but I mean it I you know, I think it's
a little different than probably what it was and in Philadelphia.
And if it is, if you know, we'll have to
be ready for it. But go ahead, Okay.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
In a way, it's it's the first full game. So
these guys are wanting to play this year or so
for more football in the ships year. How does it
affect substitution shoots? Everybody will have to play.

Speaker 8 (34:36):
I mean everybody has to play every game and be
ready to play. And you know the ones that are
in condition and they are playing the way that we
uh expect them to, well, we'll stay in there. And
then when they're not, then they'll have to get a
break and put the next guy in there like we've
always done, might have a fast.

Speaker 3 (34:58):
Out like they growth being cross.

Speaker 7 (35:03):
Confident and that man who being ready to go the
girl for the top of the game.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
Majority of the US. Yeah, I mean, I'm confident.

Speaker 8 (35:12):
I think Mo's worked extremely hard and don't exactly what
we've asked them.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
To do, and has been involved in a lot of
their reps. Sorry, go ahead full off season with him.
Just us.

Speaker 5 (35:24):
Where has dream they sed up most off the field
to you?

Speaker 3 (35:29):
Well, I think his command in the meetings. I think.

Speaker 8 (35:34):
The reach to the locker room, the reach of the
players and stuff off the field, being engaged in that
way and knowing how important that particular position is, uh
in all three phases on special teams, and the impact
that that he can make as the quarterback.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
Okay, that was Mike Vrabel Live. So I don't think
it's going to get out a little uh yeah, we're
not gonna again a subterfuge. He came right out and
said he's unpracticing today, so he's not playing. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (36:05):
Yeah, I liked he was echoing some of our talk
that we had earlier on the coaching staff and.

Speaker 5 (36:09):
Yeah, I sniffed in the middle of the press conference,
Mike and I just gave ourselves a little hat tip
to each to one another for all of our talk
about all the newness. Yeah, and Chip Kelly.

Speaker 7 (36:19):
And a brand ensemble staffs of how it's the connections.

Speaker 5 (36:22):
New coaches, a lot of unknowns the Ohio.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
It's a good matchup. It's a good.

Speaker 5 (36:27):
Week one matchup.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (36:29):
You know two teams that struggled a year ago that
both figure they both think that they've improved and they're
going to get better with new coaching staffs. It's a
good week one matchup. I agree with Freddy.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
I think the big difference is the Patriots are working
with a quarterback where they think Ope is the future.
That is a big difference, and they have a bridge
quarterback if you will.

Speaker 5 (36:49):
Yeah, that is a big difference.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (36:50):
I think the Raiders rank higher on the all time
Patriots rivalry list than maybe people might acknowledge.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
Just historically.

Speaker 7 (36:58):
I think a lot of people know the two thousands
to one.

Speaker 5 (37:00):
I have them very high on.

Speaker 6 (37:02):
For teams the outside of the division, I don't really
know any.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
Particularly if you go back to the seventies. As a fan,
you hated the Raiders, hated them. That's what I've been.
But but now it's like, you know, you know, it's
we kind of have the The big game is the
one that the Patriots won with the Raiders recently. You know,
so like I don't two thousand and one game, like
I could care less about it. I couldn't care less
about the Raiders.

Speaker 5 (37:27):
It's two thousand and one recent, it's modern. I mean,
it's certainly more recent than any of the rais success
Patriots history.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
You know, there's like the ancient Patriots history and the
modern Patriots history. And I don't think that the Raiders
are a big rival in the modern Patriots history.

Speaker 5 (37:45):
No, it's the modern Patriots history. Who's the rival the Patriots?

Speaker 2 (37:50):
Well, what was the Colts for a while?

Speaker 5 (37:52):
Right now again you got to go back fifteen years.

Speaker 7 (37:54):
Yeah, the Dolphins.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
But right now, like you know, we launched our rivalry's
line of clothing last week, and the Jets was the
game that you know, the league chose as the rivals.
I don't know if the league or we chose it,
but it's hard to say. Who are the Patriots' rivals?

Speaker 5 (38:10):
And I like that kind of stuff because it's subjective. Yeah,
you know. And for me, when I go back to
what Fred's talking about, the Raiders and the Steelers, I
hated in the seventies. I hated them, you know, because
they were good. I mean, it's it's obvious why, you know,
they were the good teams. And then you know, for
the division, it was Miami because the Patriots could never
beat Miami, especially in Miami. But then you know, once

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the Patriots, you know, got the dynasty, it was the Colts.
The Colts and the Steelers, you know, will go back
and forth, you know, and you didn't necessarily think of
Miami in the same way because Miami wasn't really all
that good in the post Schula Marino years. Miami was
always a disappointment and it never really could get over

(38:54):
the hump.

Speaker 6 (38:55):
Just I've been diving into, you know, doing a thing
for eighty five. But looking at the seventies, and you
had Sugabar Hamilton game in seventy six, then you had
you know, TERRYL. Stingley got paralyzed out there in the
pre season in seventy eight. They did have to go
back out there and win, but you know, then the
controversy between the ownership group and the Sullivans hating Al
Davis and them going back and forth. Eighty five, Patrick

(39:18):
Sullivan getting punch, which I got to talk to him about,
which was great. But yeah, and it was just like
all those things were percolating and then you had a
long gap and then O one happened. And I think
to a lot of fans, they look at that is
a little bit in a bubble, and I kind of
look at it differently.

Speaker 7 (39:31):
Now really, having looked back at those seventies, they're just
how much there was and it was a win a
long period.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
Look at it now, like, how do you look at it?

Speaker 6 (39:38):
Like I said, like I brought it up, it's one
of their biggest historical rivals.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
And even though there's you know, ebbs and flows to it.

Speaker 6 (39:43):
Over the last forty fifty years, especially in the seventies,
like you guys said, and into the eighties, there was
you know, no rivalry bet bigger, and you know, to
go out there in eighty five and beat them, like
there was so much on that with guys like Steve
Nelson and you know that had been around for a
while that remembered those games in the seventies and you know,
still held a little bit of a grudge.

Speaker 7 (40:02):
But I will say it's funny.

Speaker 6 (40:03):
It's like we talk about the sugar Bear Hamilton thing
where it's like, now, like that's a penalty all day,
but you also see like penalties all day happening everywhere
on the field constantly during.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
Those games, where it's like that's AsSalt what would be penalties?

Speaker 7 (40:17):
Right, you guys getting.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
So it's like one of those clothesline was like you
could I.

Speaker 6 (40:21):
Know, I'm also reading I'm reading the you know, doctor
Z's got the Book of Modern Guide to Thinking.

Speaker 7 (40:26):
Thinking Man's can't get an awesome book.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
I mean, it's just so much.

Speaker 7 (40:30):
Truth in it, written in the mid eighties about everything
that that we talk about.

Speaker 6 (40:35):
But you know, he talked about the head slap and
when they got rid of the head slap and how
that was such a big thing for defensive lineman, like
you can't just give someone a right hook.

Speaker 7 (40:43):
To the head anymore.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
You know that that change and made it harder for
believing it wasn't just a slap. They they were talking
about you get a concussion.

Speaker 5 (40:53):
I don't know if you guys following you know, everybody
has all kinds of different stuff that ends up, you know,
in their feeds on the various social media networks. This guy,
Kevin Gallagher, he does a lot of historical football clips,
which is as you guys would guess, right up my alley,
you know, I just I love this stuff. But earlier

(41:14):
this week there was an anniversary of the NFL sort
of modernizing the pass defense in terms of bump and run.
It was like the mel Blunt rule. Mel Blunt used
to kill guys all the way down the field, and
you can't do that anymore, you know, and.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
You can't take someone's life anywhere.

Speaker 5 (41:31):
But you look at it now, right and you'd be like, well, Jesus,
he touched him seven yards downfield, you can't. That's a
legal contact, right. Like back in the day there was
like literal physical contact between the cornerbacks and the receivers
all the way down the field. There was like bump
and run literally all the way down the field. And

(41:52):
they outlawed it. And like I think it was seventy eight,
you know, with the advent of the sixteen game schedule,
and that's why they were sort of there was a
whole bunch of rules changes and the schedule expanded from
fourteen to.

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Right you go run, you go run. Paul and Ile, well,
we'll take care of Yesterday, we're talking about the picks

(42:49):
contests or the picks that we do on Thursday, and
how do you get fans involved and all that. Of course,
immediately after the show, I got emails from fans, Oh
you should do this, you should do that. A couple
fans offered their services in creating an app or something
to do. There was one guy that yesterday said he
could write something, but it wouldn't be ready for next show.

(43:11):
I said, yeah, go ahead and start it. But since then,
Boston Cream has sent us something that he created, kind
of an app, and it'll be ready for next show.
So Mattic, can you hear me? Are you in there? Yeah?
So why don't we tell Tom who I told yesterday?
Go ahead and do that. Call the dogs off with him,

(43:31):
and let's use this thing with Boston Cream. So between
now and tomorrow, figure out how we can present that
to fans, tell them what to do and how it'll work, okay,
and then we'll incorporate it into the show tomorrow. So
this looks pretty good. I'm looking at it. Boston Cream
sent me some photo some shots of it.

Speaker 5 (43:57):
All right, you guys got to turn your mics down there.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
Yeah, so we'll have something with that. I just wanted
to get Boston Cream. Let him know as soon as possible,
Let Tom know that he can stop writing his code.
Oh we have code. I don't know how he was
writing it in written.

Speaker 5 (44:13):
So this is for the fans contest.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
Yeah, this is separate.

Speaker 5 (44:16):
So I still have to do my sheet. Oh yeah, okay,
because I know, I know you like my sheets yeah,
I know, you still have to do your shoes like
to make fun of the dinosaur for right.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
This is assumably the fans will go on this app
and they'll do their picks, and then on the next
show I'll use that to say, okay, you know, uh
so and so did the best Okay, yeah, and they'll
be like a leader board and all that.

Speaker 5 (44:39):
I see what you're saying. Yeah, sounds good. Yep, sounds good.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
Okay. What were you saying before? Nothing?

Speaker 5 (44:45):
But we do have the opener tomorrow night, oh yeah,
which I'm really looking forward to the start of the season.
I have no real interest whatsoever in that game tomorrow night, though.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
Who is it Philly in Dallas? Why not?

Speaker 5 (44:57):
Because of exactly that? You know, my no hatred of
divisional games.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
I know, but like these are two well at least
Philly is a team that should be a playoff contender.
And you want to see the state of the Cowboys
at all times, you know. Yeah, I guess is it
in Dallas or Philly?

Speaker 5 (45:14):
I assume it's Philly. It's the NFL kickoff for the
Super Bowl champ I assume it's in Philly.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
Okay, all right, Yeah, I mean I'm.

Speaker 5 (45:23):
Going to use you a theory of I'm just disappointed
with the whole Micah Parsons that like Dallas, like the
league is better if Dallas is good, and I know
that they're polarizing no matter what. You know, I don't
like the Cowboys. They put them with the Steelers in
the in the Raiders, right, you know for me from
my childhood. But I don't think they're going to be

(45:44):
overly good. I think they'll be better because Dak Prescott
will be healthy, but the defense certainly isn't going to
be as good. You know, we had a division matchup
Thursday night. We got a division matchup Friday night with
Kansas City and the Chargers.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
That's in Brinilla, right, I don't even.

Speaker 5 (46:00):
Know where it is. But like last year, I think
to hit a home run with Kansas City and Baltimore.
That's a great matchup that you don't get to see
every every year or all the time. You know, these
games that they love, the division games, they love them.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
Well, there's more of them so they get more to
choose from.

Speaker 5 (46:19):
Yeah, I don't know. I'm just I'll be watching. It's
the first game of the year, you know, be into it.
But I'll be surprised. If I stay with it, I'll.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
Be asleep by halftime, I'm sure. But yeah, I'll be
watching absolutely you know NFL football, Paul, I can't beat
that product.

Speaker 5 (46:36):
Now, I generally don't watch the Thursday night games, like
I know, you're a week to week too many, too
many of those odd odd time.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
I've come to like the Amazon stream and you know
that whole present.

Speaker 5 (46:50):
Well, that's the biggest reason why I don't watch the
Thursday night games, because I can't change the channel.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
Yeah, right now, I hear that they've got to figure
that out. All right, let's get to the phone again.
Mike has just left for practice. Evan's already out there.

Speaker 5 (47:06):
Then Mike has gone to.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
Oh that's right, practice, so correct, they're both in the
locker room. Then they'll go out to practice. Then they'll
come back and people will be coming and going. So
we'll get to that. But in the meantime, let's let's
hear from you. Eight five five Pats five hundred is
the hot line. We'll start with Dante, who's in Delaware.

Speaker 13 (47:27):
Hey Dante, Hey, good afternoon, guys. Hey, I'm looking forward
to Sunday, and I hope you all are as well
defense more specifically secondary would never worry in my mind
going into this season. But now I'm having second off.
What are your thoughts on the Peppers release? Do you

(47:49):
expect us to make another acquisition for our secondary? And
who do you see us using the not stop but
slow down? Brought Boers to Sunday.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
Okay, so two questions. What we you know, we talked
extensively about Peppers yesterday.

Speaker 5 (48:05):
I thought it was surprising. It's in a nutshell, I
thought it was a surprising move. You can certainly understand
Mike Vrabel trying to surround himself with as many of
his guys quote unquote as he can.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
This is a guy who probably doesn't.

Speaker 5 (48:18):
Figure to be part of the future at you know what,
year eight or nine. Now, at this point, I was
still surprised. I thought there was he was a starting
caliber player. They obviously thought differently. Maybe they're looking for
a little bit more youth and speed and range at
the back end of the safety spot. So that's what
we thought about Peppers.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
Yeah, and we think that they tried to move both
Peppers and Doug Art that both were available. Yeah, they
couldn't move either one of them. And they didn't want
to keep both of them.

Speaker 5 (48:46):
Yeah, in terms of the secondary, I think their starting
corners in Gonzales and Davis are solid. I'm a little
bit more concerned about what's behind them with Marcus Jones
and Alex Austin and I guess DJ James now, So
I think that's a little bit of a thin spot.
They've made safety a little bit of a thin spot.
I think with their decision with Peppers, I don't know

(49:09):
what you're going to acquire at this stage that's going
to necessarily add significantly. I mean maybe if like there's
a veteran I think Stefan Gilmour is still available, but
I just don't think that makes any sense based on
the other moves that Vrabel's making. The guys they're acquiring
now are young guys that are you know, they're trying
to see if they're worth developing and what they're going

(49:30):
to do on Sunday with Brock Bowers. It's another part
of the newness that we just don't really know because
we've never seen Terrell Williams and this group of coaches
put together a game plan. I wouldn't be surprised to
see Carlton Davis heavily involved with Brock Bowers on Sunday
with some linebacker and safety bracketing kind of stuff. You know,

(49:51):
maybe Christian Ellis is a pretty mobile linebacker. Splaine is
a guy that moves around well, but you can't ask
linebackers and safeties to cover Brock.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
If the Raiders had a true number one, in the
true sense of a receiver, that would that would create
a whole different set of problems. But I think because
they don't, they don't have that one guy that you
know is up the level of a Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase.
I think you can afford to put Carlton Davis on Bowers.

Speaker 5 (50:18):
Well, I mean, it's pick your poison, and they have two
guys that are very similar goods Myers and Bowers. I
think that they probably feel Bowers is the more dangerous guy. Yeah,
and I think he'll get more attention.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
As a result. Boston Cream's on the phone, so you
heard me talking about him? What's up, Boston Cream?

Speaker 14 (50:38):
Yeah, Hey guys, Yeah, sorry, I missed most of the
conversation about after you mentioned that we're gonna go with
my methods. So if you don't mind, I'll just talk
about it first.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
Yeah, yeah, no, give us a preview of how that's
gonna work for fans.

Speaker 14 (50:50):
Okay, so anyone who's kind of familiar with fantasy football
knows the Sleeper app. I've just created a pick a
pool on Sleeper. I'll disseminate the link amongst my social spread, Paul,
everyone else. If you guys can possibly do the same,
that would be easy. Fans could just click the link.
They'll have to make a profile and download the app.

(51:13):
That's about as difficult as a guess each week and
go into the app, and you simply just pick which
team you think is going to win. I'm assuming we
just want to do a straight pick up, not spread.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
Well, we want to do both. That's how we do it.

Speaker 5 (51:25):
Well, we're doing it. But the fans can do whatever.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
Oh, they can do whatever it wants. But it'd be
good to see how they do against the spread too.

Speaker 7 (51:32):
Okay, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (51:34):
That might be hard.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
Yeah, okay, that's right. So if you could choose, Paul,
what should you do? Spreader straight up? Straight up?

Speaker 5 (51:44):
Okay for the fans, I all right, I just think
it's easier for it.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
It is easier for him. It's easier for everybody.

Speaker 5 (51:50):
But I think from a design standpoint.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
Well that's true because their spread may not be the
same as ours. Yeah, so do it straight up? Good,
point yep, good.

Speaker 14 (52:00):
And then on the app it's going to be really
nice for fans. You can actually see where people rank
each week, and there's an overall like leaderboard, this, that
and the other. It's very very simple. So I'm glad
you guys chose my method, but if you can help
me spread the word, that would be great.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
Okay, So what we'll do is as soon as you
give the link to Matt Morrell, either in this show
or tomorrow show at the top of the show, well
we'll share the link so that you know, people can
download it and have it ready. You know, we have
to have a cutoff, right, Yeah, I'm sure the app
itself has its own cutoff for doing the picks.

Speaker 14 (52:40):
Yes, it does, fret. The link is attached to the email.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
All right, Well that's a Matt Morrel thing. He has
to take care of that.

Speaker 5 (52:48):
Maybe he's giving a thumbs up else, got it?

Speaker 2 (52:50):
Okay? Good, all right, Well thanks, thanks Boston Kream. Appreciate that.

Speaker 14 (52:55):
No worries. I'm usually a menace but today I'll be
a helper.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
All right, thanks, that's a lot all right, all right,
so we have a solution there.

Speaker 5 (53:04):
Fans can can you know they can play along with
us on Thursdays?

Speaker 3 (53:08):
Right?

Speaker 2 (53:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (53:09):
Can?

Speaker 5 (53:09):
They can have their their contests at the same time
and they'll see that It's not as easy as you think.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
Yep. Another logistical question. This isn't about picks, Kristen, Chris
and Santa Fe says, just found out the closest fan
club to me is not really active anymore. How do
I go about starting a.

Speaker 5 (53:28):
New one all of a sudden, that's the thing?

Speaker 2 (53:29):
Now? Yeah, well I love it, so Chris, here's how
you start your club is up to you. If you
already have a group of fans, then you know that's great.
You have the beginnings of a fan club. But the
way it works on the fan club Registerryan Patriots dot
Com is you go there, you have to have a
minimum of ten members, and you share those the names

(53:52):
and emails of those members with us in an Excel
spreadsheet that you know, just email it and all the
instructions are in the registry. Once we verify that these
are real people and you didn't just make them up.
Then we'll register you, you know, and you have control
of the page from that point on. Once you create
an account, you can put up your logo, you can list,

(54:15):
you know, what bar that you meet at to watch
the game. You can list, you know, events that you're having.
A lot of our fan clubs have charitable events during
the season and they list you know when that's happening.
So you, as president of the club, you would register
yourself as the administrator. You have access, you have control
of the page. The only thing you can't change are

(54:37):
the names of the members. Those you have to request
us to change because we you know, we have to.
So what you do is, okay, I've added five members
three months from now to send us the new spreadsheet
and we'll verify it and upload that so that you know, uh,
you know, your your membership stays current. And then once
we do that, all your members will receive the newsletter

(54:59):
that goes out that we sent to all fan club members,
and you also get discounts and things like that. So
that's how you do it. You just have to get
ten a minimum of ten members, send it to us,
create your account on the fan club registry, and you're
off to the races.

Speaker 5 (55:17):
So what happens if you only have like eight eight members?
Is that like a like a gang?

Speaker 2 (55:22):
Yeah, not a club. Not a club. Yeah, it's gathering
a mini club. So you have to get two more members.

Speaker 5 (55:29):
Yeah okay, and you can't just you just threaten people.
So you will join this club.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
Right, Yeah, I'm not saying you have to, but if
you don't, you know, things could happen.

Speaker 5 (55:38):
Rights, it's in your best interests.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
Right, you wouldn't a fire go off in your your store,
you know.

Speaker 5 (55:45):
Wow, you just took it to a dark place.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
Sure, all right, so good good stuff. I like it.
We're taking care of some business here, speed rights in Samanta. Question,
at what point do you can clue a player is
officially injury prone? He puts in quotes, good one. Are
we there yet with Gonzo has That's a good one.
More of a finesse corner in college. So I wonder

(56:09):
if we're seeing the consequences of physicality in the NFL
for that kind of player.

Speaker 5 (56:13):
So I would say that about this, A soft tissue
injury might be a little bit different. But I think
your larger point I think is worth talking about. I
don't know, well, when when do you have. Does a
guy go from Ah, it's too bad if you could
just stay healthy to be on now he's injury prone, right,
you know, I don't know, yep, And you know it's

(56:35):
it's an unfortunate thing.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
A lot of people bristle at that term because they
just think it's bad luck.

Speaker 5 (56:40):
Well, they also think you're kind of calling the guy soft, right,
And I'm not necessarily saying every guy that suffers a
lot of injuries is soft. Some are, right, but I'm
not necessarily saying all guys that are injury prone. You know,
Rob Grogkowski was injury prone. Yeah, but I don't think
anybody would call him a soft player, right, right, right?

Speaker 2 (56:56):
He was just part of the reason he got injured
a lot is because he wasn't he didn't shy away
from contact. Travis writes in although it came at my expense,
I'd like to commend Pat in Agawam for being less
boring yesterday than he normally is. However, as usual as
contribution to the show fell flat. Although I routinely take

(57:17):
swipes at Pat's lack of intrigue and question why he's
a featured component of your show, I've never used a
nasty tone, nor stooped to name calling like he did yesterday.
Most would agree that my email about Dion Lewis was
more thought provoking than Pat's tedious Super Bowl prediction that
no one cares about during what he called Vikings coach

(57:39):
McConnell instead of O'Connell. Following up, I think averaging fifteen
touches per game is a lot harder to achieve than
you're making it out to be. More Travis, more Christian,
more eldrit less pat. So we were talking about how
many touches Henderson might have.

Speaker 5 (57:56):
Yeah, and I listen, game scripts can vary, you know,
we know that sometimes the game's gonna declare in a
different way and you're not going to be able to
do everything that you want to do. This is not
a steadfast you have to get them fifteen touches every game.
But I'd be surprised if the Patriots don't look at
this and Josh McDaniels, you know, and we want to

(58:20):
get Henderson involved every game if we can somewhere between
ten and fifteen touches. We don't want him to run down.
We don't want to give him fifteen seventeen carries between
the tackles every game. But you know, and touches also,
you know that can be you know, a kickoff return, yep,
you know, And I think that what you actually you

(58:43):
how you quantify it too. It's not even just touches.
Sometimes it's targets.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
You know.

Speaker 5 (58:47):
You might get them five or six carries, and you
might throw the ball in his direction five or six times,
and all of a sudden, that's how you get the
twelve you know, combined. But I get what he's saying.
You can't necessarily control that every week. Sometimes the game
gets out of hand and you're not able to do
what you want to do.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (59:06):
You know, if you fall behind, maybe you're throwing more
passes to Henderson, he's getting all the touches. Maybe you
get a big lead and you want to run the
ball the whole second half, and Henderson's really not as
big a part of.

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As we get going here, how is great?

Speaker 5 (01:02:18):
Continue to progress in your offense?

Speaker 16 (01:02:21):
So just you know, where do you see him at
at this point?

Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (01:02:24):
I think we make progress every day.

Speaker 4 (01:02:28):
You know, he's done a lot of good things.

Speaker 17 (01:02:30):
And then, to me, the greatest part about training camp
is you have an opportunity to see different things, experience
things you've never experienced, either with the group that you're
out there with or within our own system against different defenses.

Speaker 4 (01:02:45):
Our defense Washington, Minnesota this.

Speaker 17 (01:02:47):
Week, and all of those to me are super valuable
for us in terms of his growth in the system
and our offenses growth together. So just to encourage by
what we're doing every day. I really like the trajectory
that we're on.

Speaker 4 (01:03:02):
What's the learning to it good like for him?

Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
You know, it's obviously work in progress.

Speaker 4 (01:03:06):
But yeah, you need to go about it.

Speaker 17 (01:03:08):
Yeah, I mean he he works extremely hard every day
to be prepared for each practice. And he's a quick learner,
that's for sure. And the biggest thing we've tried to
talk about since we got to get on the grass
in the spring is to try to limit the number
of repeat airrors.

Speaker 4 (01:03:25):
You know, if we if we make an air that's
that's not a bad.

Speaker 17 (01:03:29):
Thing, that's a good thing as long as we learn
from it and don't repeat it again. So he's pretty
quick study in that regard. He's got a great memory.
You know, sometimes when football things happen one day and
they might not happen again for two three weeks, but
you know, you still got to try to process that
in the moment and do it when it's when it counts.
So just again excited about him the whole group in

(01:03:52):
terms of their willingness to learn from their mistakes and
then come out and get better the next day.

Speaker 5 (01:03:58):
To what these guys can.

Speaker 9 (01:04:00):
You mapped it out and trapped it out, and now
you've seen whether or not courts you wanting process.

Speaker 17 (01:04:06):
Yeah, I think so, And I think that will probably
continue to go on through training camp and then usually
that's gonna probably. Uh, the evolution of what you do
with these guys will continue during the season, especially the
first year together. And so I think we've uh, you know,
like today we're trying some new things with different people,
you know, and now that we have a better understanding

(01:04:29):
of each guy's skill set, how much they can process,
who can play multiple positions, the types of things that
they do well on first and second down maybe different
than what they do well on third down in the
red zone, same thing. So we're just we're really trying
to hone in on what they do well and what
they do best, and then continue to try to grow
and build from there.

Speaker 8 (01:04:50):
Josh quarterback Drake obviously have a lot of technician ability
out without position to sort.

Speaker 14 (01:04:56):
Of proven some with that fine line WHI playing.

Speaker 12 (01:05:00):
The hero by damn just sort of quite another building.

Speaker 3 (01:05:04):
Is that a tough to sort of straddle?

Speaker 17 (01:05:08):
Hopefully it won't be a tough line to straddle. I
think he's still learning, you know, all of those things.
You know, he's like, you know, he's such a gifted athlete,
and I think you know a lot of guys that
play this position that have ability to throw it but
also to move and make place with their legs and

(01:05:28):
extend plays. Uh, they have to find that line themselves. Honestly,
we can tell them all we want, you know, don't
make a bad play, you know what I mean. And
I'm gonna be the first one in the end zone
when he extends a play. And you know, we all
saw the one to pop, you know, early in training camp,
and you know, if I was telling him to throw
that away, I'd have been pissed at myself, you know
what I mean. So I think you know he's I

(01:05:51):
would say this, He's definitely more aware as we go
into this training camp and the next practice and all that.
You saw him slide a couple of times the other night,
which was great. So again there's a there's a fine
line between holding onto the ball too long in certain
situations and then doing the right thing to help the team.
And those of those guys that were blessed with that ability,

(01:06:13):
they're the ones that have to go out there and
learn how to do that and balance it the.

Speaker 16 (01:06:16):
Way he was able to create this Like last year,
dropped was a real threat for that offense. Do you
have like a number in mind for you or Mike
or both that like, okay, we don't want to see
this in terms of carries for him, because then we
might be asking for trouble.

Speaker 4 (01:06:30):
Yeah, I think, I mean, we don't have that.

Speaker 17 (01:06:32):
We haven't talked about that, but I think you know,
he had four hundred and some yards rushing last year
on no designed runs, you know. So I think the
reality is is, you know, those loose plays are hard
to predict when they're going to come up. You know,
like the other night, we didn't call a pass play
for him to scramble for a first down, but he
did and it was a good play. So I think

(01:06:52):
he just has to understand when there's nothing there and
he has an opening, you know, what to do with
the ball. I think he's really improven in that area
and understanding his value to the team is when he's healthy.

Speaker 4 (01:07:03):
And so I think that's what we're all talking about.

Speaker 17 (01:07:05):
So h players that have the ability to do both, Uh,
they have to be smart about it because when coach
ray Ba always says, you know, we're going to protect
the team, you know what I mean? And whether that
you play running back and you protect the ball, or
you make a great decision off the field, or you're
the quarterback and you scramble and you decide to slide.
You know, all of those things are protecting the team,

(01:07:25):
and so I think Drake is definitively looking to try
to do that.

Speaker 4 (01:07:30):
You know, every time he has the ball in his hands, what.

Speaker 7 (01:07:38):
Are your thoughts on it and running it context their mind?

Speaker 4 (01:07:42):
Because yeah, I've never done it, doesn't mean that I
wouldn't do it.

Speaker 17 (01:07:50):
I think it depends on if you feel like you
need that to gain additional inertia and move the ball forward. Obviously,
the Eagles are exceptional at it and have been for
a few years now. I don't dislike to play again.
I think each team is probably gonna make their own decision.
One thing I think it is is it's not an

(01:08:11):
easy play to practice in full pads and get good
at because we're obviously not going to create a bunch
of scrums on the practice field with our own defense,
you know, and risk injuries and those kind of things.
So you're gonna have to find creative ways to do
that if you're gonna do it. And I'm sure defending
it is much the same conversation. You know, how do
we defend this if we're not allowed to dive at

(01:08:32):
the center's legs and you know what I mean, all
the things that defenses try to do to stop it.
So you know, we'll look at everything that may help
our team win, and you know, certainly Rapes will make
the final decision on things like that.

Speaker 10 (01:08:45):
Like you've been asked this before, but when it comes
to the risk reward nature of Drake's game, specifically when
it comes to extending plays, is there anything you found
yourself having to do differently as a coach, knowing you've
coached a lot of quarterbacks, but perhaps not one with
this particular skill.

Speaker 17 (01:08:59):
Not really, because I think you as a coach, you
have to you have to coach each play as if
they're not going to run past the quarterback and give
him a lane to take off and run with the ball.
I think that's kind of a happening, if you know
what I mean. It's you know, you you happen to
It's like a hole in one in golf, you know
what I mean. Like none of us are hitting it

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to go in the hole, but sometimes I haven't never
done it, but every once in a while to go
in and you'll go, wow, that was great, you know
what I mean. So I think to me, when he scrambles,
hopefully it's under the right circumstances. I thought you saw
him the other night and a few of those things
hang in the pocket and do the right thing, you know.
So we have to coach as if the defense is
going to play good defense, and we're going to need

(01:09:40):
to maintain our posture as a pastor passer and and
try to find the open receivers, which I think he's
done a great job of. And again in training camp,
it's hard to simulate those things because you know, we
don't run with the ball a whole lot, you know,
and scramble and all the rest of it.

Speaker 4 (01:09:53):
So we'll see. It'll be a work in progress during
the season.

Speaker 3 (01:09:57):
Josh, you're curious.

Speaker 18 (01:09:58):
Sure, I know he's touched up with some more of
us special teams.

Speaker 4 (01:10:00):
To play, but just what kind of like what did
you we count that as an offensive?

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
What did you see on that play? And just what
kind of like riot weapon?

Speaker 17 (01:10:08):
Yeah, I mean it's uh. I think everybody sees Trevion
the same way. You know, he's first of all, he's
a tremendous kid, awesome individual, really hard worker, smart kid,
can process a lot of information, which allows you as
a coach to try to use him in the ways
that he should be used. Explosive, you know, I think

(01:10:29):
we all saw that the other night, and tough physical.
So I have many negatives to say about Trey, you know,
but excited to coach him.

Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
He he.

Speaker 17 (01:10:40):
We've had some really good players with skill sets that
are somewhat like his, Maybe nobody quite as fast as
you know, Ververeen was probably the fast. Him and Danny
Woodhead were fast, but Travion's fast fast.

Speaker 4 (01:10:52):
So excited to be with him at all, Like.

Speaker 17 (01:10:57):
Yeah, we've seen he's seen plenty and and now he's
putting it on tape too. So we use a lot
of practice film to review what we what we can
do better, and you know, obviously we have some things
we can use from the past, but certainly trying to
get these guys to do with their own selves, like
rule changes the.

Speaker 16 (01:11:12):
Cup blocks and made screens a little bit more difficult
to run the beaty, what's the key to being able
to practice?

Speaker 3 (01:11:17):
And next screed goes to a highway.

Speaker 4 (01:11:18):
I think you needed practice them at full speed.

Speaker 17 (01:11:21):
So whether it's in a joint practice or some type
of a scrimmage situation, I think those are always good.
And then you know, we called a few in the
game the other night just to it's hard to it's
hard to simulate that in shells without a full speed
rush and all the rest of it. When the when
the rushers have to pull off the quarterback, you know,
it's not the same. So I think, you know, as

(01:11:42):
many of those as we can practice and work on,
I think that's the best situations. Hopefully we can run
a few here this week against Minnesota, see how they go,
but coaching off of them, and then when we get
to the regular season, obviously we'll have an opportunity to
do it against real competition each week and hopefully we
know what we're trying to get out of the play.
The lack of cutting and all that, I mean, it
kind of goes both ways. You know, they're not allowed

(01:12:03):
to cut us on tosses and all that. We're not
allowed to cut them on screen, So you know, it
even out. It evens out at the end.

Speaker 5 (01:12:10):
Two rookies on the left side. I think our good
friend Mike Release had a stat hasn't been done in
twenty five years to.

Speaker 7 (01:12:16):
Start the season.

Speaker 8 (01:12:17):
What is giving you the confidence that those two guys
can handle what it's about to come their way now.

Speaker 4 (01:12:23):
I think you know, the way they work every day
certainly is.

Speaker 17 (01:12:29):
That's where it's where it starts, you know, and their performance,
you know, they've earned that right.

Speaker 4 (01:12:33):
This isn't something that somebody just you know, said well,
it's going.

Speaker 17 (01:12:37):
To do that without watching them in practice and evaluating
what's best for the team. So, you know, I think
certainly Mike has the that makes those decisions, and we're
all here to try to support the guys that are
in there and try to improve their their skill set
each day.

Speaker 4 (01:12:53):
But I think they've performed admirably.

Speaker 17 (01:12:56):
There's going to be some things they're going to learn
throughout the course of every game, every practice, and our
job is to help them improve.

Speaker 4 (01:13:02):
And so, uh that's what we're gonna do.

Speaker 17 (01:13:04):
Uh We're not gonna get frustrated with a mistake here
or there, and we're going to make sure that we
try to do everything we can to help them get better.
And uh, so far, those guys have made progress steadily
throughout the course of their time here.

Speaker 10 (01:13:15):
Josh Square Bradbury shared yesterday that you guys are gonna
game playing a little bit for Flow because he's seeing
other teams come in against flow.

Speaker 4 (01:13:21):
It's just his work was disaster.

Speaker 10 (01:13:24):
Just what specifically with the way Brian runs his defense
his way to most benefit.

Speaker 4 (01:13:29):
You guys this week, I feel like you just jinxed
me and here.

Speaker 17 (01:13:34):
Yeah, I mean we're gonna see a lot of different things,
you know. So we've we've I think we've seen a
lot from our defense here, which has been great work
for us. But I also you know, this is going
to be a new They'll align in different spots. Uh,
they'll pressure us in different ways that that maybe our
defense hasn't yet, And it's just it's just great to
go up there and get tested. What happens in these

(01:13:56):
practices is your rule. You find out how well you
know your rules, because you can't anticipate everything. We're not
going to have, you know, three days of meetings and
three practices Wednesday, Thursday, Friday to get ready to play them.
So we're gonna have hopefully a heck of a work
day today and then get ready to meet on them
a little bit later today and tomorrow, and then go
up there and let it rip on Wednesday. And I'm

(01:14:18):
sure we're gonna learn a lot. There's gonna be some mistakes.
They're almost always is both ways when you have a
joint practice. And hopefully it's similar to what we just
experienced with Washington, which is.

Speaker 4 (01:14:27):
A great, great day of work. Hopefully a couple of
days up in Minnesota. Josh, thank you, yep, thanks and
now great moments in.

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
History. Eric and Paul show a feeling for the league.
Jacksonville wins this game. They do, in fact, get that
I took the Houston points.

Speaker 5 (01:14:49):
What about the cover? I took the three and a
half Jacksonville by three and a half. Yeah, you took Jacksonville,
so you want the point, you lay in the points?

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
You beleeve? This gonna They're gonna win by more. He's
winnings on both sides.

Speaker 5 (01:15:04):
Ladies and gentlemen, He's winning.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
They're gonna win now. You know. Want to know why
I have that face?

Speaker 5 (01:15:09):
Some of these are not intentional?

Speaker 3 (01:15:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:15:16):
Uh, this is your lock of the week, upset lock
of the week Pittsburgh over the Titans. What was the
spread to two?

Speaker 5 (01:15:25):
Huge upside too.

Speaker 4 (01:15:26):
They're gonna win by morn big upset.

Speaker 2 (01:15:30):
The New England money's not coming in, so that worries me.
That worries me in this game? What do they know
what do they know? But I'm gonna say nothing. They
know nothing. I thought you were gonna say nothing. Yeah,
and he's done that plenty. Yeah, Patriots prevail twenty eight

(01:15:51):
nineteen Patriots.

Speaker 5 (01:15:53):
My favorite part of the friend is when he when
he gives picks on games that there's some thought to
like that one. Right, He's tortured for a minute and
then it's really you go either way, and then stays
away for a two score win.

Speaker 17 (01:16:08):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:16:08):
Yeah, that's another great moment.

Speaker 5 (01:16:15):
What about confidence?

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Speaker 5 (01:16:45):
Do you remember what they really are there?

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
Tire tire tire? All right, Well, guess what Deuce is back?
Look who's back from the locker room. What was the
mood where the player is friendly to that night of
a look like Devin Henry. Hey, Mike, what was it
like in the locker room? Hay, Mike, what was it

(01:17:09):
like in the locker room? It's all right, Mike is
one of the air. I love that so great.

Speaker 6 (01:17:16):
Good vibes, good vibes, pre practice guys strapping on the
pads getting ready for a day of work.

Speaker 2 (01:17:22):
Uh, that was good.

Speaker 7 (01:17:23):
It was good.

Speaker 6 (01:17:24):
Little from Austin Hooper, Mac Collins and uh and Will
Campbell as well, which Will Campbell scrum kind of happened.
I couldn't burrow my way into here, so that one
didn't quite catch everything I would have liked to.

Speaker 7 (01:17:36):
But overall, everybody, I think just excited to get this
thing rolling. That's like we all are. You're preparing for
the unknown.

Speaker 6 (01:17:43):
As Rabel said, Uh, Mike Collins kind of echoed that,
you know, we'll just see what happens and let's, you know,
see if our identity carries over.

Speaker 2 (01:17:50):
That was this thing.

Speaker 7 (01:17:50):
You know, we're gonna be the kind of team that
that we think we want to be.

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
So Paul and I were talking before you got here
this year Open locker room is before practice. In the past,
it's been after practice. You'd notice the difference.

Speaker 7 (01:18:04):
A little bit.

Speaker 6 (01:18:05):
I mean, it's interesting because I haven't I'm trying to
remember because last year we were in the REVS locker room, so.

Speaker 5 (01:18:12):
It might have always been. Since you've been here, it
may have always been before.

Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
I don't think Fridays have been after.

Speaker 6 (01:18:17):
Fridays generally are hard to get guys, and it felt
like everybody was packing up and getting.

Speaker 5 (01:18:22):
It because Bill has done it. You know, Bill for
the twenty whatever years did it a variety of different ways.
But I think since you've been here, I think it's
almost always been the players are available before practice, except
for Fridays.

Speaker 6 (01:18:35):
Yeah, to you a point, Yeah they were there. I
mean I do remember during COVID there were some late
of veils and that was.

Speaker 5 (01:18:39):
All you know, that was all atual online anyway.

Speaker 6 (01:18:43):
Yeah, I'm still kind of getting a feel for the
locker room and like how last year it was different
and we had set interviews and we're back to kind
of free for all scrum style, and I think.

Speaker 5 (01:18:52):
Before practice is better. But I definitely see the drawbacks
both ways, because before practice they're trying to get dressed
and get out practice before they get in trouble. After practice,
obviously they're trying to get undressed and get out, but they.

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
Still have to have forty five minutes.

Speaker 6 (01:19:06):
Yeah, yeah, So I just I feel like generally guys
are pretty welcoming and warm around the locker room, and
we weren't really in there much last year after a
certain point. But I would say generally speaking, Mac Collins,
you know, Splaine Morgan, Moses, just.

Speaker 7 (01:19:21):
Some of those guys, they seem very happy to talk
and music playing a little more, not to the extent
that there has been in the past. They scent there
has been in the past.

Speaker 6 (01:19:29):
Then I'm not getting pumped up for practice, but you
know there is I think generally, just like I said,
the overall overshadow of it all.

Speaker 2 (01:19:35):
Any indications of board games.

Speaker 6 (01:19:38):
Not that I saw today, you know, with lots of
PB and J's and on crustables in there though, like
homemade on crystals.

Speaker 7 (01:19:43):
And I did some Gonzales walk through and it seems
like he's working out.

Speaker 6 (01:19:48):
I don't know what it means, but he's definitely not
in the you can't do anything planned, so maybe that's
a positive sign for Weet two down the road.

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
All right, back to your comments and emails podcasts at
Patriots dot is the email address Ted and Las Vegas
rites in. He thinks this is an interesting stat. On
July twenty fourth, Caesars sportsbook had the Patriots plus seven
thousand in the Raiders plus nine thousand to win the

(01:20:16):
Super Bowl. Now the odds are Patriots plus eight thousand
and the Raiders are plus forty five hundred. So the
Patriots went up a thousand, the Raiders went down by
haf from nine thousand to forty five hundred. The Raiders
improvement might be due to being in Las Vegas, where
Caesars is. The Patriots worsards are probably your reflection on

(01:20:36):
how their preseason went. What do you say? What do
the sharps know? That's interesting?

Speaker 6 (01:20:43):
I mean we've speculated about all this stuff, like when
the line starts to move, what does it mean?

Speaker 5 (01:20:47):
Yeah, I don't think a lot of I think the
Patriots generally get a lot of money. I don't think
the Raiders would. I don't think the Raiders have a
lot of fans in Vegas.

Speaker 2 (01:20:58):
How do you feel if you're a Raiders in right now?

Speaker 3 (01:21:00):
You know, like.

Speaker 5 (01:21:02):
I'd be I'd be excited about it. But Fred makes
a good point about the Gino Smith Bridge guy, like,
I'd feel better about it if they had Drad May.

Speaker 7 (01:21:10):
And plus Carroll's super old and you can't imagine.

Speaker 5 (01:21:14):
Yeah, I don't worry about that because the coaches are interchangeable. Like,
if you don't have the talent, you don't have the talent,
but you have the talent right now, I'd be much
more worried about the Bridge got No, they don't have
the talent.

Speaker 7 (01:21:24):
They're saying, like, you've got a couple pieces though, yeah, yeah,
you know.

Speaker 5 (01:21:27):
And that's what I would be excited about. I feel
like they have a few, like like Mike said, like
Rabel said, you know they have they have some impressive
skill position guys to build around if you can get
a quarterback now. So they're doing it kind of differently
than some other team. You know, Washington got Daniels and
they're trying to put the team around him. Patriots obviously
got May. Now they're trying to put the team around him.

(01:21:48):
The Raiders saying, let's see if we can get some
pieces around him and then find the quarterback. Next year
is supposed to be a draft where there's a lot
of potential first round pick. Some people think as many
as five or six first round quarterbacks potentially. Doesn't mean
you're going to get a good one. Yeah, doesn't mean
you're going to get a good one. So that's where
Fred's point about the difference between the two approaches right

(01:22:11):
now is Geno Smith is a bridge guy, and that
would worry me, But Carol, I think is a good
guy to be with Gino Smith in the bridge. When
you get a quarterback, hopefully you're going to figure out
who you coaches, Chip Kelly maybe maybe who knows, who
knows it Just it's just a different approach.

Speaker 6 (01:22:27):
Yeah, I was, you know, it's not knowniced ince Chicago's
roster and just how they've kind of it done it
and you know, adding Colston Loveland who was injured and
you know last year getting a Dunez but it's still
just continuing.

Speaker 5 (01:22:39):
To add Peace Weston. Loveland's hurt.

Speaker 7 (01:22:41):
Now, he was hurt all summer.

Speaker 6 (01:22:43):
I don't know if he's to know now I think
I think he is ready to go, But it was
a little bit of a projection at that point when
he was drafted.

Speaker 7 (01:22:50):
I remember with the combine he had his whole his
whole arm in hisling.

Speaker 6 (01:22:52):
But you know, between them and Detroit and you see
some of these teams that just continue to add intriguing
offensive talent, and they have it coming up through the pipeline.

Speaker 7 (01:23:01):
And I just love to get to that point where you.

Speaker 6 (01:23:04):
Know, even if somebody goes down, well we still got
this guy kind of coming in and they're insulated. Whereas
the Raider is just such an extreme example of having.

Speaker 7 (01:23:12):
Brock Bowers the number one, and then Jacobe Myers is
a really solid player. But I think they're hoping that
those other guys develop, but it's not the same.

Speaker 2 (01:23:20):
Some of those teams just have a.

Speaker 7 (01:23:21):
Lot of talent.

Speaker 2 (01:23:22):
Dan and Poughkeepsie writes in as an avid listener of
the show, I constantly have it on in my car
with my girlfriend, who's from New Jersey and a big
Jets fan. After being exposed to the podcast, she was
quick to dislike Paul for his argumentative nature and volume. However,
that's fair. She has fully come around to the Great
White snark. The start of the turnaround was fair. The

(01:23:44):
turnaround was simple. Paul was referring to a football game
in which the Commanders made many mistakes down the stretch,
ultimately costing them the game. Paul described the situation as
Washington pooping all over themselves. The final verbal gesture to
put him as the favorite of the show came last
last week. Paul knew the difference between Newark, New Jersey
in Newark, Delaware as a proud Delaware Blue hen alump.

(01:24:07):
She was impressed and has become the most recent member
of the Paul Fanker. Well, nobody knows, you know, low
level college sports, CIA sports.

Speaker 5 (01:24:14):
It's fine Australia. I've actually been to Newark, Delaware on
the campus of Delaware. They used to host the basketball
tournament way back in the day and I covered it
for the Herald two or three years.

Speaker 7 (01:24:27):
My sister was a Blue hen Oh really did.

Speaker 2 (01:24:29):
Not know that he was.

Speaker 5 (01:24:32):
But that's generally the way it works. Hatred, followed by
you know what, he's not so bad, don't you Usually
I just wear him down.

Speaker 7 (01:24:39):
What does your brother say? You're like a toothache that's
t all.

Speaker 2 (01:24:41):
Tooth Just don't go away. Kyle from Pembroke. I think
the Patriot's biggest modern rival right now is the Bills.
We were talking about rivals. They're eight and three, hammer
and nail. Yeah, they're eight and three against us since
Brady left, and their rise is correlated with our fall.

Speaker 5 (01:24:59):
Not to mention one of those in Hurricane in another
and again the Patriots were trying to lose.

Speaker 2 (01:25:06):
Not to mention with the hatred between the fan bases,
they're clearly the biggest rival. The closest, i'd say, is
the Colts. We have athletic quarterbacks drafted in the top
five of the draft and we hope could be the
franchise quarterback. Both franchises fell from grace since the twenty tens,
and games are still close with the fans still hating
each other. I don't know about that even with the Bills. Like,

(01:25:27):
you know, that gets into that whole thing about rivals,
like do you have to be kind of evenly matched
to truly be a rivalry? You know, for years, Red
Sox fans considered the Yankees their biggest rival. Yankees fans
are like, we don't even.

Speaker 5 (01:25:40):
Care who and you know, you know, but the Yankees
hated the Red Sox too, Like don't you have to
have hatred on both sides? Yes, the Bills, the Bill's
rival right now, is not the Patriots, right it's the Chiefs, right, right, right.
I don't even think the Patriots will be in the
top five.

Speaker 2 (01:25:58):
No, I agree.

Speaker 6 (01:25:58):
Would you call any of those guys rivals when the
Patriots were one in the AFC East.

Speaker 2 (01:26:02):
I wouldn't.

Speaker 5 (01:26:04):
When Brady wainst Buffalo, it was Pittsburgh. It was the
Colts Pittsburgh and the Colts with the two big rivals.

Speaker 7 (01:26:11):
So you don't have rivals when you stink? Is that
that fair to say?

Speaker 5 (01:26:14):
Well? You you think you do, but you's it's like
that you know that cartoon with you know, Spike, you
know Jesus Pals, right, Spike, just like running around China
like you know, it's like Andy Hartt like you heels,
go away kid, you bothered me.

Speaker 6 (01:26:30):
So maybe that's you know, we want to get back
into rivalry setting with with the Dolphins and yeah, yeah,
in a competition with them too, Like the Dolphins.

Speaker 5 (01:26:40):
You keep saying it you have like goals in your mind,
mic and your great is it asking too much? Can
we beat Miami just once? When was the last time
the Patriots beat Miami?

Speaker 7 (01:26:50):
Now to yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
I mean the one that I think you know can
go on both sides is when the Patriots are in
the dynasty, always beating the Jets. But then Rex Ryan
took over as the head coach the going all of
a sudden, All of a sudden, they started competing, and
you have this.

Speaker 5 (01:27:06):
Was rivalry adjacent at least welcome.

Speaker 2 (01:27:08):
I enjoyed those like Rex.

Speaker 5 (01:27:10):
Took it as the Patriots are number one rival and
we did the whole go away, kid, you bothered me.
And then all of a sudden they beat us a
couple of times and we said, okay, we got to.

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
Take this seriously.

Speaker 5 (01:27:18):
And then they never won again. Right now, you just
can't leave.

Speaker 2 (01:27:21):
I liked those years.

Speaker 7 (01:27:23):
I mean, it was rest driving, drive you nuts, but
it was great for the rivalry and.

Speaker 5 (01:27:27):
Ryan so much juice for eleven.

Speaker 2 (01:27:29):
It was good theater. God did he annoy me, it was,
but it was good. It was good drama. It was
good drama.

Speaker 7 (01:27:35):
So mad.

Speaker 6 (01:27:35):
I still remember the lead up into that, like nine
and oh he just so wanted to beat that so bad.

Speaker 7 (01:27:41):
And then Wes Welker wasn't gonna play or not.

Speaker 6 (01:27:43):
I just remember I've said it before, walking down to
like get my coffee before the game and.

Speaker 3 (01:27:48):
Trying so mad.

Speaker 5 (01:27:50):
That was the players in ten.

Speaker 7 (01:27:52):
Oh, that one too.

Speaker 5 (01:27:53):
It was a division a round game that was tough.

Speaker 7 (01:27:55):
He wasn't hurt.

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
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Speaker 5 (01:28:09):
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Speaker 3 (01:28:17):
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Speaker 2 (01:28:20):
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you want to use it. It sounds like it sounds industrial.
They do have a model that the laundrymats us because
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Speaker 2 (01:29:11):
Be something that doesn't rush. Yeah, yeah, okay, all right,
fair point.

Speaker 5 (01:29:15):
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yet it's gonna get wet.

Speaker 2 (01:29:22):
He looked at me with.

Speaker 7 (01:29:27):
We're on his side of the street and try talking dryers.

Speaker 2 (01:29:29):
I know, I felt like I was you know, usually
I'm all snarky. I was on the defensive there. I
don't know what I was doing anyway. Well, no, I'm
not going to tell your dad what to do. But
if if you look in and it's they're not that expensive.
If you're looking for something that is.

Speaker 5 (01:29:42):
What's not that expensive, like regular household the house afore.

Speaker 2 (01:29:45):
It's been so long since I bought it because it
doesn't break down?

Speaker 5 (01:29:48):
Husband, wife, two point three kids, what's what do you
think that's?

Speaker 2 (01:29:52):
I have no idea. I'm not I haven't been in
the market for a while. Let's price this.

Speaker 5 (01:29:55):
Out, because I want to see if I like, I
actually didn't even see any speech queens.

Speaker 2 (01:30:00):
To be honest with you, Well, you have to go
to certain places.

Speaker 5 (01:30:03):
You get a knock on the door.

Speaker 2 (01:30:05):
If you go to the big box stores.

Speaker 5 (01:30:06):
They don't big box scores don't have So I did
get it at a big box, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:30:10):
They don't have those. You got to go to the
appliance store.

Speaker 5 (01:30:13):
Yeah, which I've generally done in the past, and I
would wholeheartedly agree with your theory of you're much better
off going to the appliance stores. Unfortunately, they're going.

Speaker 2 (01:30:22):
Yeah, it's hard to find them, hard to find.

Speaker 5 (01:30:24):
The ones that the one that I got all my
appliances when we first bought our house is gone.

Speaker 6 (01:30:28):
Yeah, jeez, I mean these are some of these pretty
nice though. For the combo, I mean you're talking almost
three grand for the high end, you know, twenty six incher,
but you go a little smaller.

Speaker 7 (01:30:40):
Did you have a thirteen comedy?

Speaker 3 (01:30:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:30:43):
I paid less than half that.

Speaker 7 (01:30:44):
Yeah, less combinations for both washer and the drive.

Speaker 5 (01:30:47):
Oh okay, so I paid about that. Then if you're
you know, you're going to go in reasonable six six
hundred or so, for one or the other.

Speaker 2 (01:30:54):
So we'll see if your dad wants to call in,
we can talk.

Speaker 5 (01:30:57):
Fred will talk you through it and he'll take care
of you. What do I gotta do to get you
in this speed Queen by the end of the show.

Speaker 2 (01:31:04):
Now, listen the way I found out about him. I
was in the market. This is years ago, and I
was in Foxboro and there was this little appliance guy
in the bot in Foxborough Center in the basement and
I walked in and I, you know, I was like,
not shady at all. Yeah, I was mentioning, you know
the major brands. He goes, have you thought about speed Queen?
I said, I have no idea. I've never seen he goes,
just check it out moment.

Speaker 5 (01:31:29):
Not shady at all. I'm sure they weren't running with
it right there.

Speaker 2 (01:31:32):
I didn't buy it from him, the Blackjack going. I
did end up buying it, but not from him.

Speaker 7 (01:31:37):
But yeah, do you need a gun to or anything
like that?

Speaker 2 (01:31:41):
Lett Wheel in the corner. Guy who's asking I got
some speed queens?

Speaker 16 (01:31:44):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:31:45):
Who's asking? Joseph, the biggest Patriot Patriots fan in Hillsboro, Oregon,
have a very important question for Deuce about a subject
that has not been covered enough. What does Mike Vrabel
wear a sideline for week one? Does weather play a factor?
Or is Rabes a hardo that will wear the same
fit every game? Will he out drip Pete Carroll? Now

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he loves the vest and the red sleeves.

Speaker 6 (01:32:09):
I think we've seen that. You have seen some wind breakers.
But I will say one other thing too. Bill Belichick
wore the cutoffs to Hoodie and he got interviewed about
it and he's like, yeah, that's kind of my thing,
and I'm like, thank you. He always just asked like,
I don't know, it was just hanging up in there.

Speaker 2 (01:32:23):
I put it on, you know.

Speaker 7 (01:32:24):
But they clearly his first game had to go with
the great cutoffs.

Speaker 5 (01:32:28):
So unfortunately you couldn't find one that fit.

Speaker 7 (01:32:31):
To go to the double XL.

Speaker 5 (01:32:32):
I think, oh, Rabel, Yeah, the Rabel will most likely
have some sort of vest off with the red sleeves.
Pete Carroll will have just the mono color all that black,
like dry fit, long sleeve shirt on that. Yeah, you
want to come like really active, like his life's depending

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on you know, choose per per minute, right, That's what
he wore the Seahawks he always had the Seahawks blue
long sleeve drive fit. I'm sure.

Speaker 6 (01:33:01):
I respective Rabel's got a look and he just kind
of sticks with it. And kind of like we were
talking off air, I have a friend who only wore
black T shirts.

Speaker 7 (01:33:08):
Like you just you don't want to think a.

Speaker 5 (01:33:09):
Lot of coaches have a look and they just stick
with it. It's just that Belichick's was just so different.

Speaker 7 (01:33:14):
Yeah, Rape's got those long arms, and I think that, like,
you know, it's.

Speaker 5 (01:33:16):
Accentuates the best.

Speaker 7 (01:33:18):
Yeah, like it.

Speaker 5 (01:33:20):
Are you going to track this now? Maybe tell the truth.
You don't have to hide it from me. I'm going
to make fun of you.

Speaker 6 (01:33:26):
Probably going to make how about this. I'll start making
notes of what he's wearing. And if I start to
see trends and there's like some different options, but.

Speaker 2 (01:33:32):
You don't want to start from behind. You have to
kind of.

Speaker 6 (01:33:37):
Track it, and then it might lead to the establishment
of a Mike Vrabel vest database.

Speaker 7 (01:33:42):
Perhaps we'll see okay, all right, but excited.

Speaker 5 (01:33:46):
I just like the fact that, yes, Fred, he's already
given it some thought.

Speaker 7 (01:33:50):
Oh yeah, oh well, I got a thing, you know, I'm.

Speaker 5 (01:33:53):
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:33:55):
Call from Galway, Ireland rights in. Was it just me
or was there an undertone of Rabel being annoyed with
Gonzo in the press conference? Felt to me that he
thought he could train but decided not to. Might be
reading it all wrong, but something to keep an eye on.

Speaker 6 (01:34:12):
I thought he was a kid just getting annoyed that
all they were asking about was Christian Gonzalez in week
one of against the Raiders. I mean at that particular moment.
I don't know if he's saying generally today.

Speaker 5 (01:34:22):
I didn't necessarily see that, but I do think he
has been I think he was a little bit on Monday.

Speaker 7 (01:34:27):
Soft tissue injuries not his favorite.

Speaker 2 (01:34:30):
Yeah, well, Mowen, Rhode Island. Last week, Paul started talking
about why the Patriots aren't the Boston Patriots, but something
came up that interrupted the story. Could he pick that
back up? And ps? Foxborough was closer to Providence than Boston.
You said that Billy Sullivan was mad.

Speaker 5 (01:34:52):
Yeah, well, he got pissy because he couldn't build a
stadium in Boston and then they ended up moving and
that's why he changed it from.

Speaker 7 (01:34:58):
Boston here a stadium. When they made the stadium to Foxboro.

Speaker 5 (01:35:02):
The old Shaffer Stadium.

Speaker 2 (01:35:03):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because for people.

Speaker 5 (01:35:06):
I don't know all the details because I wasn't around.

Speaker 2 (01:35:08):
Yeah, I mean for people who weren't around back then.
Before the Patriots played in Foxborough, they played they were nomads.
They played at bu they played at Harvard, they played
one season at Fenway. So they didn't have a home.
And like Paul said, the Sullivans were trying to build
something in Boston and they just couldn't get it done.
And they had this land down here in Foxborough next

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to the race, the horse race track, and so they
built you know, which basically was a dump. It was
actually the Bill Stadium was built at the same time.
It's exactly the same the two of them were built.

Speaker 5 (01:35:43):
Yeah yeah, and they're both dumps.

Speaker 2 (01:35:44):
Now they've added to it. Yeah, but you know, just
concrete bowls literally a real dump. And and uh but
I will say one thing for the Sullivans, they were
one of the first teams to start the trend of
naming rights for the stadium.

Speaker 5 (01:35:58):
Absolutely. I think shape the Shaffer Stadium was an endorsement deal,
which I never actually knew growing up. Yeah, so that
was they they saved the way for that Mike, I
don't know if you know, but Schaefer is the one
beer to have when you're having more than one, right.

Speaker 7 (01:36:16):
Wow, if you're out there to get wasted.

Speaker 5 (01:36:20):
That was like the things you used to and forget about,
like you you would advertise like cigarettes and ever else,
but like Schaefer is the.

Speaker 2 (01:36:29):
One beer to have when you're having more than one.

Speaker 7 (01:36:33):
So they went out of business. I don't know is
it's still I mean, the land of craft beers and
everybody's there. There's millions of beers in that one.

Speaker 2 (01:36:42):
But it's amazing, like as a kid, the jingles that
you remember that I'm.

Speaker 5 (01:36:48):
Designed for right, yeah, well it's like you do all
the time.

Speaker 6 (01:36:51):
Oh when they when they hijack an old song for
a for a like some kind of medication or saw
that always those those are the worst.

Speaker 7 (01:37:02):
John and South Beer exists and Paps Brewing Company owns it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:06):
Owns it. Okay, makes sense, Swill.

Speaker 5 (01:37:09):
I don't think I've ever had a shape of beer.

Speaker 2 (01:37:13):
Young well it was still around.

Speaker 5 (01:37:16):
I don't think that would.

Speaker 7 (01:37:17):
I don't think.

Speaker 2 (01:37:20):
John John in South Carolina. I agree with what you're
saying about the rivals in Buffalo. Buffalo with the exception
of if a fan base buys a billboard harassing another
fan group, they have created a rivalry where one should
not exist.

Speaker 5 (01:37:36):
They definitely were trolling.

Speaker 2 (01:37:37):
Yeah, I think that was agree with that.

Speaker 7 (01:37:39):
That was a couple of years ago though. I think
that was the early.

Speaker 6 (01:37:43):
When they first got it and it was all new
to them and they were, you know, feeling themselves. And
now the Bills have realized that, like there's not really
all that much joy in winning the division. You know,
you start getting these AFC championships and real competition and
you're like, you're like, what do I care about? You know,
the AFC is great, Like it's a hatt and teacher
game in the third, second week of December.

Speaker 5 (01:38:01):
A couple of years there were like they had to
beat Miami like on the last game of the season
to win the division. I'm sure that was satisfying for him.

Speaker 7 (01:38:07):
But now it's like they're tying last Jelie and they're
just looking at the mean he said, what were you
guys saying, how do we get past the ABC champions Back.

Speaker 5 (01:38:15):
In the heyday, Fred, we would have hat and T
shirt games in November.

Speaker 7 (01:38:18):
That's right. I don't think about you at all. Like,
I don't think about once you get.

Speaker 5 (01:38:22):
To that point, and I don't even know, like Kobe
brought who you Who's he?

Speaker 2 (01:38:26):
I don't think about Tim, And Hilton Head thinks he's
going to be a smarty pants, he says. Fred looks
at Paul with other disgusts and claims Steele doesn't rust.
I guess Pittsburgh shouldn't be part of the Roust Belt
with all that steel. The rust Belt got the name
because of the closed factories that all got rusted out.
Oh is that true? Yeah, I did not know that. Ohio, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Cleveland.

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It's because in Buffalo. It's because all these factories along
the various lakes there closed up.

Speaker 5 (01:38:53):
And now if Google search on that, would it back
that up?

Speaker 2 (01:38:56):
Well, stainless steel, stainless steel does not russ.

Speaker 5 (01:39:00):
No, I that I know, But I never knew the
origins of the term roust belt.

Speaker 3 (01:39:04):
I like that.

Speaker 2 (01:39:05):
Yeah, what about dustball dustbel that's part of that's right,
during the depression, it all dried up.

Speaker 6 (01:39:13):
And well, so I saw a statu or something that said, again,
this is like I picked up random information from the Internet,
but it said that when the dust ball was originally settled,
it was unseasonably like had been an unseasonably period of moisture,
and so the land was actually falsely point and when
they switch and then time finally caught up, the soil

(01:39:34):
went to crap and and you know, okay, corporate covering
it all hair.

Speaker 2 (01:39:38):
Yeah, this is what we generally provide.

Speaker 5 (01:39:41):
In Week one of the NFL Sins and washing machines. Okay,
fan piccon Claire Wrights in, Hello.

Speaker 2 (01:39:49):
Everyone, Hello Marine, I gotta see. I see all the
divisional teams as rivals. I don't hate equally, but Bill's,
Finn's Jets, I hate them all.

Speaker 5 (01:39:58):
I would agree with that divisional rivals you're the ones
that you hate.

Speaker 2 (01:40:01):
But I really struggle to hate the Bills.

Speaker 6 (01:40:03):
And I don't know, maybe that's just the me problem.
Like I still have a little hate firing me from
my fan days for the Dolphins and the.

Speaker 5 (01:40:08):
Jets for me Miami. I still don't like the Bills.

Speaker 6 (01:40:12):
There's just something about them that, like I see a
little bit of the Patriots in them, and the Patriots
being like the team that couldn't quite get over the
hump and never had that success. And then like I
don't know, there's such a passionate fan base and there's
not much up there.

Speaker 7 (01:40:24):
I know, I'm yeah, this is blasphemy right now.

Speaker 2 (01:40:27):
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (01:40:29):
I don't hate them, you know, I.

Speaker 5 (01:40:30):
Don't hate really like that. Like I like Josh Allen
and I do like if they play the Chiefs, I
root for the Bills, you know, in those in those
big games, because they can't get over the hump, you know,
Like I guess you're not supposed to. If you're a
Patriots fan, you should be rooting against the Bills.

Speaker 7 (01:40:45):
I don't know, Yeah, I don't think I could ever
do it for the Bills.

Speaker 2 (01:40:47):
I mean for the Jets or Dolphins.

Speaker 5 (01:40:49):
Maybe it's just because I like Josh, I hate I
hated Don Shula and then Marino came and I hate,
like they just couldn't beat them.

Speaker 2 (01:40:57):
I loved Larry's hunka oh, I just love Larry that
a little like that before my day, well he was
a fullback, but I like he was like a running back,
you know, he had a lot of carry.

Speaker 5 (01:41:10):
Back in those days. It was two backs in the
backfield at the same time that both both carried the ball. Yeah,
like Rocky Blyer and Franco Harris.

Speaker 2 (01:41:19):
Mercury Morris and Larry Zanka and they had Jim. Yeah,
that was a good offense. Damien from kirk Island, first
time listener, Uh, longtime listener, first time reaching out. I've
been watching a lot of Patriots and Tom Brady documentaries
over the years, and I heard the word intangibles being

(01:41:40):
used to describe the hidden qualities that Brady possessed that
made the guy such a killer both on and off
the field. My question is, have you or any of
the crew seen intangible qualities among the present group of
Patriots players and coaches which show potential for greatness that
we as fans would not be able to observe in
reports or see in the Forged in Foxborough documentaries, which,

(01:42:02):
by the way, episode three drop last week. Go to
YouTube watch it. Get ready for the season. It's awesome.
What do you think, anybody that you.

Speaker 6 (01:42:13):
Just saying if you found a tangible and tangible that
you could maybe point out.

Speaker 7 (01:42:18):
I don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:42:19):
I'm not sure I can you know, but I understand
what his point is. Just give you the vibe?

Speaker 7 (01:42:23):
I mean, did Brady give you guys the vibe? In
two thousand when you're like two.

Speaker 2 (01:42:28):
Thousand, but.

Speaker 7 (01:42:33):
Vibe right.

Speaker 5 (01:42:36):
I don't know if there's a guy that maybe.

Speaker 6 (01:42:39):
I mean, Henderson looks like a stud, but that is tangible.
He runs really fast and he just is active every
time I've seen him play.

Speaker 7 (01:42:45):
So I'm not I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:42:47):
I mean I would say, like ke On White has
like looks like he has some intangibles, but I haven't
seen yet.

Speaker 2 (01:42:53):
I mean, he looks like it all pro I mean
just getting off.

Speaker 5 (01:42:55):
The bat in tangibles like kind of like what you
how you would describe like what Jabrill Pepper's sort of
getting the team all jacked up, you know, the defense
ready to go, Like maybe he's not the best safety
in football, but he's got some inspiration behind him. Those
kinds of players.

Speaker 2 (01:43:12):
I don't know I could.

Speaker 7 (01:43:13):
I mean, I don't know if this applies, but I
would just say I think the well.

Speaker 2 (01:43:16):
How would you define intangible? Like what are if you
had to list something considered intangible?

Speaker 7 (01:43:22):
What a certain energy that a guy brings to the
building that you feel is.

Speaker 5 (01:43:26):
Leader the leadership quality to him, A guy who gets
more out of his ability than the some you know,
kind of the some of the parts, like it's intangible,
So it's kind of hard to define you guys.

Speaker 6 (01:43:36):
I'll say Morgan Moses just to him, he like I
said yesterday, he's very talking to everybody. He stops by
the wide receivers.

Speaker 7 (01:43:47):
He's chatting them up.

Speaker 6 (01:43:48):
And the other guy that I think is an interesting
intangible guy is Mac Hollins in that very confident.

Speaker 2 (01:43:55):
But I just I wonder how it's all going to translate.

Speaker 5 (01:43:57):
With I would maybe throw Roberts Laying into this mix,
but I love you two picks make I think that's
exactly how I'm I mean, I guess everybody thinks of
that word.

Speaker 2 (01:44:05):
A little bit. That's the thing. And you're gonna yell
at me, I won't yell, promise. I think when we
talk about in comparisons, the word intangible is misused. It
should be something it's hard to put a finger on. Yeah,
But like you see the matchups and say, okay, intangibles
coaching this way, whether those aren't intangible, those are tangible.
You know, like you either have better coaching or you know.

Speaker 5 (01:44:25):
So I'm not I understand what you're saying. But like
when they say like coaching, you can't necessarily identify why
this guy is better in this situation than that guy.
You just know he in general has been better in
those situations. Okay, I thought weather, whether it's not like,
well it's raining, the weather's a tangible it's this team

(01:44:49):
has proven in the fact, it doesn't matter what the
conditions are, like the Brady Patriots could beat you in
any weather except for extreme heat. That was a scryptonite.

Speaker 2 (01:44:58):
That's the one. But like you know, but like a
good leader, well that's tangible. Well no, it's really not.

Speaker 5 (01:45:02):
How like I think Morgan Moses is exactly the way
you just said.

Speaker 2 (01:45:06):
We walked in this room, we said this is the
time we would follow.

Speaker 5 (01:45:09):
It was a tangible to me, it was an intangible.

Speaker 2 (01:45:12):
Intangible is something I can't I know my finger on
why this guy is a leader, Like.

Speaker 5 (01:45:17):
I understand what you're saying. Nobody, you're taking it too far? Now,
I do I get it because I was struggling with
I think it's an intangible quality, Like you can't where
do you put it? Like, well, how much is that worth? Yeah,
that's it's it's intangible. You can't quantify it. The guy's
a good leader. Does that really help? He had the
right thing to say. I don't know if it was
the right thing to say. It seemed like the right

(01:45:38):
thing to say.

Speaker 2 (01:45:39):
Where do I put that in it?

Speaker 6 (01:45:40):
I feel it's intangible. We're gonna get into talk about
aura because that's a big thing. The kids and I
feel it. They like it, didn't risen. Aura is an intangible, right.

Speaker 7 (01:45:49):
I don't know, he's just got he's got an r
about him. I'd say that I get some of the
other ones.

Speaker 5 (01:45:54):
I get the point, but I think a lot of
that stuff would qualify as intangible.

Speaker 2 (01:45:58):
Yeah, but I know what, I know what.

Speaker 7 (01:45:59):
You Morgan moses like, I just his presence when he
walked in, you know, I mean.

Speaker 10 (01:46:05):
It was.

Speaker 5 (01:46:07):
What does that worth?

Speaker 2 (01:46:09):
What does that worth?

Speaker 5 (01:46:09):
If it's tangible, there's a quality to it, there's a
quantity to it. Is like you can't you can't put
your finger on just that guy's a guy who's a leader.
That guy's quiet.

Speaker 2 (01:46:18):
You can see it.

Speaker 5 (01:46:19):
There's a difference. But I don't know what we either
one is. Does that mean that one guy is worth
more than the other? No, Like, let's say two guys
of the exact same ability. One guy has the leadership
quality and one guy is very quiet. One guy is
Kyle Duger. One guy's Morgan Moses, but the same exact talent.
It's intangible. I don't know who's worth more, but one

(01:46:41):
guy has a leadership to him. That's, you know, bring
in some intangible value. Good question, right, it is a
good question. But I don't know. I think Might came
up with two good examples of Morgan Moses and Mac Collins.

Speaker 6 (01:46:54):
And you and you brought up Splaine too, and that's,
you know, three guys that you're hoping are going to
help change the culture.

Speaker 5 (01:47:00):
And where's Evan. He's going to come back in practice now,
I know, but he's supposed.

Speaker 2 (01:47:05):
To come back.

Speaker 7 (01:47:06):
He will, but they're probably I thought they only could.

Speaker 5 (01:47:09):
Watch a certain amounts the other day. They were out
there for almost twenty What is.

Speaker 2 (01:47:13):
He doing now? No, he's conferring with Barth and Taylor Kyles, No,
I comparing notes.

Speaker 7 (01:47:18):
Promise you, Fred, as soon as Evan is able to
be back in here, I'm sure you will.

Speaker 5 (01:47:22):
Okay, But you need that practice update.

Speaker 2 (01:47:25):
Huh, yeah, everybody does. We need it from eyes that
saw it. Todd and Garner writes in so glad, I'm
back home from a holiday in Minneapolis. Now I get
to listen to you guys live. What's this now? Oh, okay,
we'll read that in a second. I really feel that

(01:47:45):
the game will come down to two basic things, mistakes
and coaching. Patriots have more coaching talent and if they
can minimize mistakes, turnovers and penalties, I absolutely believe that
our guys will win thirty five to twenty three, with
the Raiders getting a junktie like.

Speaker 5 (01:47:59):
Just a greed.

Speaker 2 (01:48:00):
I disagree too. I don't know if the Patriots have
a coaching edge in this game. Pete Carroll is one
of the best coaches in the league. And now we
don't know about Chip Kelly, but Patrick Graham has been.

Speaker 5 (01:48:12):
A going When talking about coaching, it's Pete Carroll and
Mike Grabel and Pete Carroll's resume is better than Mike grabeles.

Speaker 2 (01:48:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:48:20):
He Carroll's a Hall of Fame coach. I don't know
if he'll end up in the Hall of Fame, but
he has a Hall of fame resume. Yeah, we'll see
what Mike Rabel ends up being. He says, what you're six,
You're seven, right?

Speaker 7 (01:48:29):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:48:29):
Mike Carroll has won a super Bowl in the NFL.

Speaker 7 (01:48:32):
Like am I crazy?

Speaker 6 (01:48:33):
I just think like, as a player, if I have
a young guy like Mike Rabel coming in, I'm like, yes,
this is a team I want to be part of.

Speaker 7 (01:48:40):
If I'm the Raiders and I had Josh McDaniels.

Speaker 6 (01:48:43):
And then he's gone, and then you know, we're smoking
cigars with Antonio Antonio Peers and it's a party. And
now they bring in the oldest coach in the whole league,
and I'm like, like, is this are we on another jack.

Speaker 5 (01:48:53):
To grossly underestimating Pete Carroll?

Speaker 2 (01:48:55):
Yeah, saying but to me as a player like that in.

Speaker 5 (01:49:00):
There, because when Pete Carroll left here, I was no
huge fan of his coaching. I was a really big
fan of the person. But I think he's developed into
a really good coach. I think he's a good mix
of the hard line and player coach, which I think
Vrabel is trying to get. Rabel's players in Tennessee did
not love him. Yeah, I think he's trying to sort
of change that mentality a little bit here. I think

(01:49:22):
there's a lot.

Speaker 6 (01:49:23):
I didn't mean that in any way a shot at
Pete Carroll. I just mean it's like a player looking
at where's our organization going.

Speaker 2 (01:49:28):
Let me tell you something. Pete Carroll's practices are as
competitive as they can get in the NFL, and he
reads it one of the hardest in the league. That's what.

Speaker 6 (01:49:35):
Maybe I'm wrong, but I mean, would you feel the
same about Bill if Bill went to another NFL.

Speaker 5 (01:49:39):
I wouldn't want any part I've ever played for Bill,
but just for that. But I would love to play
for Pete Carroll. The way the players talk about it,
I would love to play for Andy Reid. I totally
hear it, and I think they're I don't know what
the mentality you're talking about. If I was on the Patriots,
i'd feel better because my coach potentially could be here
for a while. I just feel like, but if it works,

(01:50:00):
he's only going to be there another couple of years.

Speaker 2 (01:50:02):
That's what you're saying.

Speaker 7 (01:50:03):
Thank you, Thank you for boiling it down to the
way I mean.

Speaker 5 (01:50:06):
I think that's inarguable. And he's the oldest coach in football,
right right. I don't know how you can have a
logical argument to say Carol's not on the back nine,
right right, But I.

Speaker 6 (01:50:16):
Agree with your point of Like, I mean, for me
liking to play for kind of those kind of coaches
like absolutely like and I can pay.

Speaker 2 (01:50:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:50:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:50:26):
We have the address for people who want to participate
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Uh, here it is.

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(01:51:00):
was doing well from the week before, and.

Speaker 5 (01:51:02):
You can flex on us when you don't want to
hear it.

Speaker 7 (01:51:04):
I don't want to hear it. If your picks are.

Speaker 5 (01:51:05):
Better than mine, Mike's going to have a big year issue.
I can, I can. I can feel it. Mike's gonna
have a feel for the league.

Speaker 7 (01:51:11):
I'm want to study the tape. I'm gonna grind the tape.

Speaker 2 (01:51:12):
A little more.

Speaker 5 (01:51:13):
Grind the rest of the grind grind it.

Speaker 2 (01:51:19):
Yeah, exactly, So come in.

Speaker 5 (01:51:20):
I know they had practice the other day. They were
out there for about twenty minutes. So if it's one thirty,
it's only fifty.

Speaker 2 (01:51:30):
Started at one thirty.

Speaker 5 (01:51:31):
Yeah, and Mike just went to the locker room for
a little while and then he came in here. I know, practice,
the practice window was scheduled to start at one.

Speaker 2 (01:51:38):
Evan doesn't actually move that fast, so.

Speaker 5 (01:51:41):
No, you know, he's he's sort of like a three
toed sloth, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:51:44):
He kind of wattles around.

Speaker 5 (01:51:48):
I was stunned today when Mike and I were in
the bullpen chatting and in walks evident like nine thirty,
It's like.

Speaker 7 (01:51:55):
Whoa, Like, where's that coming?

Speaker 2 (01:51:58):
One?

Speaker 5 (01:51:58):
Because he had a because he had a ten catch
twenty two engagements, right Dana Virginia in Michigan.

Speaker 2 (01:52:05):
Just to keep the runoff run of off season nonsense
subject going even though it's football Wednesday just brought up
the old songs being brought back as jingles for medications.
As a regular watcher of Jeopardy, I see a steady
string of commercials for medications, even of even each of
those medications has a name like a bad Hand and scrabble.
They all have seven letters, one vowel usually a high

(01:52:27):
point value but difficult to use letter like k or z.
So it's so inconsistent that almost seems like an industry rule.
We know PU nation has an expert, is an expert
on anyone? Does anyone know the answer to this admittedly
very niche question, why do drugs get the names of
the Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:52:45):
He never is that the question?

Speaker 2 (01:52:46):
I guess?

Speaker 3 (01:52:46):
So?

Speaker 7 (01:52:47):
Yeah, govy.

Speaker 2 (01:52:48):
I think I think they have to come up with
a word that's never been used before.

Speaker 7 (01:52:51):
Ye, And honestly, don't.

Speaker 6 (01:52:53):
Are there people out there that were, like, I got
moderate to severe plaxoriasis and this pill looks like it
might help what I have. I'm gonna go ask my
doctor about it, because isn't that what these whole ads
are for. You're trying to target people, Oh, with these conditions,
So go to their doctor, Like, gone to your doctor.

Speaker 7 (01:53:06):
And be like, so tell me about what we go
v Like, what's up with this?

Speaker 3 (01:53:09):
Like?

Speaker 7 (01:53:09):
Can you help me?

Speaker 3 (01:53:10):
Right? Well?

Speaker 2 (01:53:12):
I don't tell which one it is, But this is
an interesting thing that happened over the last couple of years.
It was it's one of these pharmaceutical things. And they
had this really really catchy theme song, so catchy in fact,
that people sued them and they had to change the
song like enough so that it didn't sound like the

(01:53:34):
one before. Same words everything, but it was just changed enough,
so I guess it wasn't as catchy, and I forget
that you can.

Speaker 6 (01:53:43):
Google it right, So people are like, I don't even
have plackoriasis, but I want to get on just I
just want to try it.

Speaker 7 (01:53:48):
It just looks like they're living a great life, and
I want that life. Yeah, this is Matt Morrel handing
me something.

Speaker 6 (01:53:54):
Drug names must be unique and distinguishable from other medications
to avoid confusion and potential medical errors.

Speaker 2 (01:53:58):
Okay, we don't the market. Let's get back to little football.
Steve writes in why do people get upset with Drake
May for improvising and practicing his improvation improvisational skills during play?
But no one seems to care? But no one seems
to care when people like Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes
do it. I don't know. I understand that those folks

(01:54:21):
are more developed in the league, but you don't get
there by not trying. No one huffed and puffed when
Patrick Mahomes would try and try again and again during college.

Speaker 5 (01:54:32):
I just don't. I think I talk about arguing, talk
about arguing against yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:54:35):
I think fans want him to do it more.

Speaker 5 (01:54:37):
Who is he arguing with, Yeah, Drake May's greatest strength
is his mobility and his ability to make plays off platform.
That's his best asset.

Speaker 2 (01:54:47):
Launched the ball.

Speaker 5 (01:54:48):
Now we're trying to figure out a way to avoid
the mistakes when doing so, or run it. By the way,
I know that the email says the opposite. Josh Allen
dealt with constantly early in his career. Right right, is
this guy ever gonna get it? He's always thrown into
triple coverage. He that thinks he could do everything. He's
Superman out there, like yeah, right, right, Then all of

(01:55:10):
a sudden you tone down the mistakes, but yet you're
still making the plays and you become a star.

Speaker 2 (01:55:15):
That's what you got to do.

Speaker 5 (01:55:17):
But I don't think anybody criticizes Drake May because he
can run.

Speaker 6 (01:55:22):
No, I just you know, you want to make sure
he's doing it within the structure of the offense and
not just tucking and running the side.

Speaker 5 (01:55:28):
Don't change hands with the ball as you're getting sacked
and fumble. Yeah, so that's what he got criticized for.
Not bet he tried to scramble out of the pocket.

Speaker 2 (01:55:35):
We didn't want to step on Evan's toes. But like,
since he's probably not gonna make it, what do we
know from practice from the.

Speaker 6 (01:55:42):
X there's been nothing yet, really complete radio silence from
the entire media brigade right now.

Speaker 7 (01:55:47):
Wow, it did seem furious. Look at this.

Speaker 2 (01:55:51):
A few minutes left, he's gonna.

Speaker 7 (01:55:52):
Have to hollery, probably not even enough time to play
his song.

Speaker 5 (01:55:55):
Wow has been shot?

Speaker 7 (01:56:04):
Practice and quit?

Speaker 3 (01:56:08):
Evan.

Speaker 2 (01:56:08):
Why why the delay? First off, there's no delay, this
was this is the timing. So well, how long did
practice go for it?

Speaker 19 (01:56:16):
Well, we were out there, got out there about one Yeah,
that's until they actually let the scribes into the practice.

Speaker 2 (01:56:26):
Hence the delay.

Speaker 19 (01:56:27):
Current Yes, yes, okay, but no no real surprises. Christian
Gonzalez the only player not spotted that practice as.

Speaker 2 (01:56:35):
So he wasn't even there on the side, not yet.
We did see him in the locker room.

Speaker 19 (01:56:40):
He was walking around the locker room, so I would
assume that he probably will get out there eventually and
to observe, but not dressed for practice.

Speaker 2 (01:56:48):
Not participating. Okay, So what else do we got?

Speaker 5 (01:56:51):
That's it?

Speaker 19 (01:56:52):
Honestly, it's a you know, pretty a.

Speaker 2 (01:56:55):
Lot of anticipation for just that. It's all I got.

Speaker 5 (01:56:58):
We're building it up something up.

Speaker 7 (01:57:00):
At least it's pretty mood.

Speaker 19 (01:57:02):
Yeah, we did to get you know, it was very
nice out today, very great weather, and so some people
were saying, oh, you know, we'll see who's still here
when it's snowing and raining in December and January.

Speaker 2 (01:57:14):
And I was like, we'll still be here. I mean, hey,
don't don't worry about that. Is it a large contingent.
It was a large contingent they're giving.

Speaker 19 (01:57:21):
They're giving Drake and Stefan Diggs after practice and like
Rabel talking this morning. So a lot of press, a
lot of media.

Speaker 2 (01:57:31):
Big day, Big day, excited, people are excited for a buzz.
There's a buzz.

Speaker 19 (01:57:37):
I think people are ready to actually discuss a real
football game and stop talking about you know, hypotheticals like
the last forty minutes but.

Speaker 2 (01:57:48):
And you know all that stuff.

Speaker 19 (01:57:49):
I think we're ready to get to the actual, the
actual games.

Speaker 2 (01:57:53):
Okay, here's exciting.

Speaker 5 (01:57:54):
I'm looking forward to having a game to discuss next week.
You know, the game that was actually played that counts right.

Speaker 2 (01:58:01):
All right, Well, I'm supposed to read this last one.
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a little bit more insightful, more information.

Speaker 5 (01:58:59):
Work on that way, Yeah, I will work on it.

Speaker 2 (01:59:02):
I know you had two hours with Barth and you're
all extende ap All right, that's it for this edition.
We're back tomorrow our third show of the Hurry. That's
what we do all the time, So picks tomorrow don't
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Speaker 7 (01:59:18):
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