July 22, 2023 • 9 mins
In celebration of former Rams running back Steven Jackson's birthday, listen as he joins D’Marco Farr to talk about his 9 dominant seasons in St. Louis, what his chances are for Canton, and how he is helping youth in his life after football.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Welcome to Rams Iconic.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
I'm your host to Marco Farr and this is the
podcast where I get to catch up with some of
the greatest players.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
In RAMS history.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
It's a chance for you, the fans, to take a
trip down memory lane and reminisce about some of the
greatest moments you've had as RAMS fans. But also an
opportunity and I love this especially today to introduce to
some of our newer fans, iconic players that made this
franchise what it is today. And my youngest guest ever
on Rams Iconic by far but.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Iconic fits Steven Jackson. How are you, man? What's going on?
Speaker 3 (00:40):
What did it do? I'm good? How you man, brother?
Speaker 2 (00:42):
I'm good, I said, I'm still getting used to you
without the dreads?
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Now are you growing them back out?
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Now? N this little little maine not a full one.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
I like it. You still look like you can get
it done, big fella. I keep stay in shape, no
big time.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
You know those kids around the house, many hundred carries,
maybe I got one hundred. Spread it out, please.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
There might be a job of them. Like I said,
I'm gonna wear you out in December, though, But what
to do?
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Man?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I mean, how's the You've been out for six years
this year, six seasons in my sixth season, how is
that transition going from player to not player?
Speaker 4 (01:14):
You know, I think the first two years were the toughest.
You know, you're trying to figure out who you are
as a human, as a man, and then on top
of that, you watching some of your peers still play, right,
so you turn on the TV and you're like, oh man,
that got still going. So then you're like, did I
stop too?
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Still kind of questions.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
But now the last four years have been blissful, been amazing.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Being involved with Legens community keeps me.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Somewhat still and tapped with what's going on in the culture.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
But it's been good. It's been a good transition for me.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
It's funny doing what you did and you did it well,
I'm gonna go over your list of accomplishments.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Is we don't have that much time. But what I'm saying,
what you did and what you.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Are going to be for the rest of your life,
that's that's a weird transition for all players.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
It really is, because you know, for I start playing
a game at seven years old, so from the age
of seven until five years ago. I've always every July
in August was training camp. You look at the clock,
You're like, okay, I got team and I got individual meeting,
and then all of a sudden, that's gone. That structure
is going away from you. You're trying to figure it out.
Then what I realized is just implementing that slafe structure
(02:14):
in my life just around different things, and you know, again,
going back to the kids, going back to the.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Family, that keeps me engaged.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
But it's it's definitely a transition where you're not you're
not the marquee guy anymore, and it takes a little
bit of it takes a little bit of time to
get used to.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
That waiting in line.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Yeah, hardpool line is the worst.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
That's crazy, right, Yeah, you're just another parent.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
I know.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
I'm with you. I'm with you, all right.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
So first round pick twenty four, twenty fourth overall, three
time pro bowler, two times second team All Pro. I
don't know why people don't like to talk about their
second team All Pro. That's still a hell of a
list to be on. You got to be proud of that,
right I am. I think I got snubbed at least
one year. Yeah, I think I should have been first.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
At least one year, and I saw a lot of
your games.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
What do you be one year? There's more than at least.
I'm just saying I don't want to be too So if.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
You fact than what you had to deal with versus
what you did see, that's that's the last point. But
let me get to this franchise leader in rushing yards
tenirty eight yards, fifty six rushing touchdowns in the Rams uniform.
All those man, to me were hard fought yardage man.
I mean, it was more than about you carrying the football.
It was like you carrying the franchise. Did you feel
(03:20):
that back in the day?
Speaker 4 (03:20):
I did, you know, I really did, because I had
a chance to see the last of you guys, the
greatest show on turf. So once I got there, they
the tradition had been set there, you know, So the
expectations were there. Then when you guys start retiring and
it was just me, I was like, holy crap. Not
only do I have to continue what these guys already started,
but I got to maintain until I get other help around.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Right now, That help it's here now.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
But it was it was a sense of I had
to I had to carry it for the franchise, but
it also became somewhat of my my bail cow and
I was something huld my hat on. It's like, Okay,
if I'm going to do this, I'm gonna do it
the only way and that's all out.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
See that's what I was.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
I was just talking to a mutual friend of ours
and you saw him over there. I don't say his
name because you don't want me to say his name
on camera, but you know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
And I just remember your run.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Your brilliance was kind of overshadowed a little bit by
a team that was in constant transition, ownership, coaching, everything,
but you still produced year in and year out, and
we're trying to put a label on your career. And
every time somebody talks about Steven Jackson, the first word
out of their mouth is always under like underappreciated.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Did you feel underappreciated during your career?
Speaker 3 (04:34):
I still do, I do, I actually do.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
You know, sometimes, let's go to the first point during
my career, I really felt underappreciated because, like to the point,
no one really understood all the intricacies that I had
to deal with, right I did. I saw it, Yes,
So it's constantly changes. There were sometimes in games where
I would playing with offensive lineman I didn't even know
their name.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Then you compound that over years of trying to get
it right. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
It was a stretch where I won't EVE six games
in three years, So the unappreciated what was happening then.
And then post career, you see some of the guys
from my generation that's considered you know, some fans favorites,
they're great guys. I just you know, I think if
I was on a different team or our situation here
was a little different, Yeah, I think my name would
be up there, just with anybody else.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Man, I said it right when you sat down, What
can you do in this offense with Sean McVeigh, See
look at your face. What would you be able to
do in an offense like this when you're facing a
seven man box versus a nine man box? Boy, I
can't tell you how many family members I have fought
with when they would say Steven Jackson ate all that.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Do you know what the forty nine ers did?
Speaker 2 (05:38):
They just they broke the huddle and put nine guys
in the line of scripture. And said, beat us someplace
else because it ain't gonna be Stephen. But that's weekend
and week out, and there's still the guy still produces,
and you still don't get the up. So I hope
someday that you do. I've seen the list, the the
ten thousand yard list. There's thirty one guys on that list.
You're eighteenth six. You know those guys are in the
(06:00):
Hall of Fame. You're ahead of two of them. Hall
of Fame. Does that ever creep in? Do you start
to think about that? You know as a player, Now,
how do you feel about it?
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Well, I think statistically I have a good argument. It
goes back to what do other people consider those intangibles?
And do I fit in there?
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Either way?
Speaker 4 (06:20):
To Marco, I would say this, I'm at peace. I've
done everything I could on the football field. I gave
the game what I had to give, and I'm very
proud of that. If can calls my name, I'll be
there to give a great speech. And if not, hey
I come keep seeing you.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Yes, no doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Absolutely, if you need some if you get down the
list of people that are going to induct you, if
you if one through four fall out called me because
I've seen everything. I can tell you what this guy
went through. But yeah, I mean, give me a favor.
Stand up. So when I met kids back in the
day and they said I want to be a professional
football player, I would say, come on down to the dome,
(06:58):
come stand with me at the top and wait for
Steven Jackson to come running out.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
If you still want this when you see him, then
you have a future. You know what I mean, you
have a future. I'll just had to do that.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
But man, so besides that, now giving back to football,
how would you give back to football now?
Speaker 1 (07:18):
With kids or current players?
Speaker 3 (07:20):
It's twofold.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
So with the kids, I work with Oregan State University,
my alumni and helping with the curriculum and name, image
and likeness going back there, working with four hundred student
athletes on campus, helping them understand how to brand themselves,
how to conduct themselves in.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Interviews, how to find a market.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Uh, who's ever interested in the market for their for
the name, image and likeness. So that's one way I'm
giving back, just trying to help kids understand the business
side of the of the game. As far as the
professional side of the game, I work with Legens community
in the NFL, helping our peers transition and retirement how
to have a smooth and one a ride because in
the past, I think, you know, some of us were
(07:57):
left behind and because of that, there's some bad taste
in our mouth. But now we try to get ahead
of that bad taste and seeing that guys don't always
in their career the way they want to. It's not
always about that. It's about the relationships you maintain and
what you can grow from me.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
See, I wouldn't have been left behind. I would just
miss the bus. Yeah, without an that tenerary or alarm clock,
I'm lost, absolutely lost. Steven Man, it's so good catching
up with you man. Well, like I said, bruh, I'm
a fan, you've always.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Been a hero.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
We go all the way back to met Kwan means
a lot, so Steven Jackson.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Everybody, thanks, thanks for joining us on the show. That's
a wrap on another episode of RAMS Iconic.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Hope you enjoyed the conversation with the great Steven Jackson.
Don't forget to hit that subscribe button, And if you'd
be so kind, go ahead and leave us a review.
Let us know which RAMS legend you'd like to hear from,
and we will call them until we get them until
next time. And if you want to be one of
the first to experience so Far Stadium. To purchase either
season tickets or single game tickets, visit the rams dot
(08:51):
com slash tickets.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
That's the rams dot com slash tickets. Thanks for listening.
I'm DeMarco Farr. We'll see you next time on rams
Iconic
Welcome to Rams Iconic.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
I'm your host to Marco Farr and this is the
podcast where I get to catch up with some of
the greatest players.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
In RAMS history.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
It's a chance for you, the fans, to take a
trip down memory lane and reminisce about some of the
greatest moments you've had as RAMS fans. But also an
opportunity and I love this especially today to introduce to
some of our newer fans, iconic players that made this
franchise what it is today. And my youngest guest ever
on Rams Iconic by far but.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Iconic fits Steven Jackson. How are you, man? What's going on?
Speaker 3 (00:40):
What did it do? I'm good? How you man, brother?
Speaker 2 (00:42):
I'm good, I said, I'm still getting used to you
without the dreads?
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Now are you growing them back out?
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Now? N this little little maine not a full one.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
I like it. You still look like you can get
it done, big fella. I keep stay in shape, no
big time.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
You know those kids around the house, many hundred carries,
maybe I got one hundred. Spread it out, please.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
There might be a job of them. Like I said,
I'm gonna wear you out in December, though, But what
to do?
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Man?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I mean, how's the You've been out for six years
this year, six seasons in my sixth season, how is
that transition going from player to not player?
Speaker 4 (01:14):
You know, I think the first two years were the toughest.
You know, you're trying to figure out who you are
as a human, as a man, and then on top
of that, you watching some of your peers still play, right,
so you turn on the TV and you're like, oh man,
that got still going. So then you're like, did I
stop too?
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Still kind of questions.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
But now the last four years have been blissful, been amazing.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Being involved with Legens community keeps me.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Somewhat still and tapped with what's going on in the culture.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
But it's been good. It's been a good transition for me.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
It's funny doing what you did and you did it well,
I'm gonna go over your list of accomplishments.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Is we don't have that much time. But what I'm saying,
what you did and what you.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Are going to be for the rest of your life,
that's that's a weird transition for all players.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
It really is, because you know, for I start playing
a game at seven years old, so from the age
of seven until five years ago. I've always every July
in August was training camp. You look at the clock,
You're like, okay, I got team and I got individual meeting,
and then all of a sudden, that's gone. That structure
is going away from you. You're trying to figure it out.
Then what I realized is just implementing that slafe structure
(02:14):
in my life just around different things, and you know, again,
going back to the kids, going back to the.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Family, that keeps me engaged.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
But it's it's definitely a transition where you're not you're
not the marquee guy anymore, and it takes a little
bit of it takes a little bit of time to
get used to.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
That waiting in line.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Yeah, hardpool line is the worst.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
That's crazy, right, Yeah, you're just another parent.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
I know.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
I'm with you. I'm with you, all right.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
So first round pick twenty four, twenty fourth overall, three
time pro bowler, two times second team All Pro. I
don't know why people don't like to talk about their
second team All Pro. That's still a hell of a
list to be on. You got to be proud of that,
right I am. I think I got snubbed at least
one year. Yeah, I think I should have been first.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
At least one year, and I saw a lot of
your games.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
What do you be one year? There's more than at least.
I'm just saying I don't want to be too So if.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
You fact than what you had to deal with versus
what you did see, that's that's the last point. But
let me get to this franchise leader in rushing yards
tenirty eight yards, fifty six rushing touchdowns in the Rams uniform.
All those man, to me were hard fought yardage man.
I mean, it was more than about you carrying the football.
It was like you carrying the franchise. Did you feel
(03:20):
that back in the day?
Speaker 4 (03:20):
I did, you know, I really did, because I had
a chance to see the last of you guys, the
greatest show on turf. So once I got there, they
the tradition had been set there, you know, So the
expectations were there. Then when you guys start retiring and
it was just me, I was like, holy crap. Not
only do I have to continue what these guys already started,
but I got to maintain until I get other help around.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Right now, That help it's here now.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
But it was it was a sense of I had
to I had to carry it for the franchise, but
it also became somewhat of my my bail cow and
I was something huld my hat on. It's like, Okay,
if I'm going to do this, I'm gonna do it
the only way and that's all out.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
See that's what I was.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
I was just talking to a mutual friend of ours
and you saw him over there. I don't say his
name because you don't want me to say his name
on camera, but you know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
And I just remember your run.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Your brilliance was kind of overshadowed a little bit by
a team that was in constant transition, ownership, coaching, everything,
but you still produced year in and year out, and
we're trying to put a label on your career. And
every time somebody talks about Steven Jackson, the first word
out of their mouth is always under like underappreciated.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Did you feel underappreciated during your career?
Speaker 3 (04:34):
I still do, I do, I actually do.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
You know, sometimes, let's go to the first point during
my career, I really felt underappreciated because, like to the point,
no one really understood all the intricacies that I had
to deal with, right I did. I saw it, Yes,
So it's constantly changes. There were sometimes in games where
I would playing with offensive lineman I didn't even know
their name.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Then you compound that over years of trying to get
it right. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
It was a stretch where I won't EVE six games
in three years, So the unappreciated what was happening then.
And then post career, you see some of the guys
from my generation that's considered you know, some fans favorites,
they're great guys. I just you know, I think if
I was on a different team or our situation here
was a little different, Yeah, I think my name would
be up there, just with anybody else.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Man, I said it right when you sat down, What
can you do in this offense with Sean McVeigh, See
look at your face. What would you be able to
do in an offense like this when you're facing a
seven man box versus a nine man box? Boy, I
can't tell you how many family members I have fought
with when they would say Steven Jackson ate all that.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Do you know what the forty nine ers did?
Speaker 2 (05:38):
They just they broke the huddle and put nine guys
in the line of scripture. And said, beat us someplace
else because it ain't gonna be Stephen. But that's weekend
and week out, and there's still the guy still produces,
and you still don't get the up. So I hope
someday that you do. I've seen the list, the the
ten thousand yard list. There's thirty one guys on that list.
You're eighteenth six. You know those guys are in the
(06:00):
Hall of Fame. You're ahead of two of them. Hall
of Fame. Does that ever creep in? Do you start
to think about that? You know as a player, Now,
how do you feel about it?
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Well, I think statistically I have a good argument. It
goes back to what do other people consider those intangibles?
And do I fit in there?
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Either way?
Speaker 4 (06:20):
To Marco, I would say this, I'm at peace. I've
done everything I could on the football field. I gave
the game what I had to give, and I'm very
proud of that. If can calls my name, I'll be
there to give a great speech. And if not, hey
I come keep seeing you.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Yes, no doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Absolutely, if you need some if you get down the
list of people that are going to induct you, if
you if one through four fall out called me because
I've seen everything. I can tell you what this guy
went through. But yeah, I mean, give me a favor.
Stand up. So when I met kids back in the
day and they said I want to be a professional
football player, I would say, come on down to the dome,
(06:58):
come stand with me at the top and wait for
Steven Jackson to come running out.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
If you still want this when you see him, then
you have a future. You know what I mean, you
have a future. I'll just had to do that.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
But man, so besides that, now giving back to football,
how would you give back to football now?
Speaker 1 (07:18):
With kids or current players?
Speaker 3 (07:20):
It's twofold.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
So with the kids, I work with Oregan State University,
my alumni and helping with the curriculum and name, image
and likeness going back there, working with four hundred student
athletes on campus, helping them understand how to brand themselves,
how to conduct themselves in.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Interviews, how to find a market.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Uh, who's ever interested in the market for their for
the name, image and likeness. So that's one way I'm
giving back, just trying to help kids understand the business
side of the of the game. As far as the
professional side of the game, I work with Legens community
in the NFL, helping our peers transition and retirement how
to have a smooth and one a ride because in
the past, I think, you know, some of us were
(07:57):
left behind and because of that, there's some bad taste
in our mouth. But now we try to get ahead
of that bad taste and seeing that guys don't always
in their career the way they want to. It's not
always about that. It's about the relationships you maintain and
what you can grow from me.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
See, I wouldn't have been left behind. I would just
miss the bus. Yeah, without an that tenerary or alarm clock,
I'm lost, absolutely lost. Steven Man, it's so good catching
up with you man. Well, like I said, bruh, I'm
a fan, you've always.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Been a hero.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
We go all the way back to met Kwan means
a lot, so Steven Jackson.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Everybody, thanks, thanks for joining us on the show. That's
a wrap on another episode of RAMS Iconic.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Hope you enjoyed the conversation with the great Steven Jackson.
Don't forget to hit that subscribe button, And if you'd
be so kind, go ahead and leave us a review.
Let us know which RAMS legend you'd like to hear from,
and we will call them until we get them until
next time. And if you want to be one of
the first to experience so Far Stadium. To purchase either
season tickets or single game tickets, visit the rams dot
(08:51):
com slash tickets.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
That's the rams dot com slash tickets. Thanks for listening.
I'm DeMarco Farr. We'll see you next time on rams
Iconic
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