Rams Legend Steven Jackson joins D’Marco Farr on this episode of Rams Iconic to talk about his 9 seasons in Horns, what set him apart from other running backs, and what he learned from Hall of Famer Marshall Faulk.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Welcome to the Rams Iconic presented by eighteen hundred Tequila,
the best taste in tequila. Please drink responsibly. I'm DeMarco
Farr and this is the podcast where we catch up
with some of the most iconic players in franchise history.
My next guest played for the Rams from two thousand
and four to twenty twelve. He is the Rams all
time leading rusher ten one hundred and thirty eight yards
and fifty six rush touchdowns, three time Pro Bowl, two
(00:29):
time All Pro My man, Steven Jackson. What's up? Man? Well? Man?
How you I'm good. I'm good, John, look as good
as you, mate, You're doing well? Whatever? Come on now?
You still look like you're wearing a suit armor. Man,
Look at you, dude. I try to put it together.
I keep it together. You do, yeh?
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Think?
Speaker 1 (00:44):
How much do you weigh? Now? I mean you played it?
What two fifty five? What do you wait now?
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Two forty forty five? I'm two thirty now you play
you played it two forty five? Yeah, two to fifty yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Yeah. So a lot of people I was talking about
you with other guys that either played with you or
against you, and they said they couldn't believe the size
of you when they saw you. Do you recognize that?
Did you recognize that fear out of other people when
they saw you on the field? I did? Yeah, How
did you not acknowledge that like that fear?
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Well, I mean I acknowledged it in a sense of
like I would take them on in the open field
just to let them know that I knew they were
a little they were turning down tackles if they didn't
have to turning down tick like al dude would actually
turn down to tack You could see it like.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
You're running up on them and this is supposed to
be a collision, and he doesn't. That angle just shifts
just a little bit. So what did you like lose
a little bit of respect? I mean not like total respect,
but just on the field, like, Okay, you're supposed to
take me on here and you're diving down here. Do
you lose a little bit of respect or gain confidence
from it?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
No?
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Gain confidence?
Speaker 2 (01:44):
You know. That's when you go to the sidelines say, hey, coach,
you know, I really think this could be a day
where we could just you know, just black and blow
them up a little bit.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
He don't want to hit me, Yeah, exactly. You would
tell your coach that all the time. No, I mean,
but I mean you do have Stephen Jackson, So no
matter what offense you have, it's always going to go
through you. That's what I thought the offense was gonna be.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Yeah, I mean, well until we brought Sam, and then
when we brought Bradford in, you know, you know, shining
new toy, Heidan Trophy winner and kind of win a
little pass heavy his rookiear at least, But from there,
you know, there was always a sense of we had
a ground game and we can kind of lean on that.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Yeah, lean on people and other people, you know. I
wish Sam would have stayed together. I thought he had
a fantastic rookie season. If he would have stayed healthy,
or if you didn't have the lockout the next year,
right and you got the right coordinator, I think Sam
could have had a different career. His whole trajectory would
have been different. What do you think I.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Believe that I think we you know, for sure, I
think we've stayed a little bit more past balanced and
then also just continue to open the playbook.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
I think I think we open it up too fast.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Right year two I think we try to give him
too much because of the success he had his rookie year.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
I think you know you prolonged speen food the offense
to him year three, year four. I think that allows
for him to grow, and it gives me another year
to allow just to continue to his growth.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Right, just lean on the run more and more. Let
him be comfortable.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Typically, you know quarterbacks you're three or fours kind of
when they kind of take off on their own.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Yeah, and I and that's my critique of it. I
think your two we gave it. We opened the offense
a little too much for sound.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
It's weird. See quarterbacks get four years to blossom. Running backs,
Oh no, you got to go right away? Yeah yeah,
you gotta. Did you feel that coming in as a
as a rookie running back, like I got right now? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Now as a rookie go I still have Marshall okay, right,
But I would say when he retired, there was an expectation, now, okay,
let's go.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
It's your time down and you knew that you were ready?
I mean when did you know like this is going
to be my time? Like you got a Hall of
Famer in front of you when did you know what
was going to be this is my time to take.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Over training camp of year two. Going into that training camp, yeah,
Marshall decided that, uh, you know, he was going to
take a lesser role in the offense. And then that's
kind of where I can see that offense, like Mike
Marshas was starting to put in things particularly for me,
just for you. Yeah, I could tell that, Okay, the
handoff is starting to happen. Nervous like or more excited,
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more excited, more excited, you know. One, because you know,
Marshall was someone I looked up to growing up. But two,
taking on that that that extra risk, I still had
him in the locker room to lean on, right, Yeah, yeah,
you know because as a runner, I think you're an artist,
so you make things happen, and very few people could
do what Marshall did. But at the same time, he
was so creative that I could lean on him and
(04:21):
ask him like would you try that or would you
do that? And he's not just a straight line runner, right,
so he's someone I could actually ask those kind of
questions too, because he was pulled it off.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
And two he was creative. Yeah, see Marshall right. We
were teammates, and you were teammates with Marshalls, so we
have that in common. So you when you say you're
a professional running back and you're a Hall of Fame
worthy guy, I can look at you and say, yeah,
that makes sense. When I see Marshall, I'm like, how
in the hell is this dude? Could out there? I mean,
I can't find definition anywhere on your body, but damn
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I can't catch you in the open field.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
He was elastic, man, Yeah he was. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
He had that that that ability to just look like
a ribbon in the sky.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Yeah. Yeah, and you followed it. I mean, like you
you had your own style. You were able to catch
out of the backfield. I think you were the only
it's the only ram or one of the only players
in league history that had one fifty rushing plus one
hundred out of the backfield. Do you ever think, like,
if I could play right now, how much money would
I make? Have you ever thought about that?
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Me and Sean we would have a lot of fun. Sean,
I'm sorry, Mick back, coach me back. We would have
a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
You would yeah, yeah, yeah, out of the backfield right now?
Just wow. But the state of the running backs is weird. Now,
Why are they trying to run you guys out of
the league or at least keep pay down. I don't
get it.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
I think there's such an emphasis right now with the
general managers and presidents trying to look like there's some
like wiz with a salary cap. But it all makes sense,
and they're all like trying to prove points and one
up each other in the sense of like, I can
you know, architect, they a roster really well. I really
think that's it's more on the executive side of the game,
because when you get to the playoffs and it gets
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a cold cold December in November January, it's still a
running It's still a hackling and running game.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Yes sir you yeah, when you can't throw it exactly
weather one allowed. Absolutely. The same people that said I
wouldn't pay a running back are the same people that
said you should have give the ball to Marshaun Lynch
on the one yard line. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
You don't know until you know. But that's what I
said on the way in. I think your record, your
rams record ten and thirty eight yards. I don't think
that will ever be broken on this football team. I
(06:22):
really don't. I don't think. I don't think guys will
have that sort of longevity on one football team anymore. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Well, the you know the good thing about our franchise
is that we love and respect running backs. We have
a rich tradition of the position. And I think you're right,
it will stand. It has to for a while. And
you know, Ed had his stand for a long time
until I came around. So you know, I just whoever
breaks it, I'm sure they'll be deserving, but it's gonna
be hard work.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
I saw Aaron Donald go right by me in like
three years, like my entire career. Yeah, in three years. Yeah,
when he got his twelve sack, he winked at me.
Didn't even look look at me, He just kind of
winked at me. Yeah, like I see you by you
know what I'm saying. Gave him a fistbound on the way.
And but that is cool. You know, you when you
(07:08):
set those records, you want those records to be broken
because if you are, that means the team is doing well,
and we always want this team to do well. So, uh,
you know, moving forward, So Hall of Fame, you didn't
like to talk about it much in Saint Louis, even
when you started to creep up on some of those
Hall of Fame numbers. And I get it. You were
a player, now you're retired. Hall of Fame. What does
it mean to you?
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Well, historically from Insalanta says, I had a great career.
I'm amongst some of the best in the ever played
the game and in my era what it means for
me until I get the phone call, I don't really
think much about it. And I use that that perspective
because I've seen enough of our our our colleagues have
this emotional roller coaster, right, I don't want to ride it.
(07:52):
I'm not a roller coaster guy, period. I'm not a
six Flags guy, so I'm not gonna roll them. I'm
not gonna ride their emotional roller coaster when it comes
to that either. If it happens, I'll be very grateful.
It's going to be a hell of a party, you know.
But until then, you know, and I really just block
it out.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
I mean, well, here's a tough I mean, look, you
deserve it, absolutely, but do you need it as an athlete?
Do you need that validation from some other people to
say you were great, because if you don't get it
from there, I can line up and list of a
thousand dudes that tried to tackle with you and say, yeah,
this dude was the bomb. Do you need that sort
of thing to put a cap on your career?
Speaker 2 (08:28):
You don't, to be honest with you, You know, my mom
and dad there, which I'm lucky to still have both
of them here. You know, if it happens while they're here,
it'd be very good because to me, you know, we've
all put in a lot of sacrifice, the hours, the
drive of practice.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
And it'd be for them.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
That speech will be for them and for them to
see the world, you know, acknowledge their child. But you know,
if it happens after them, I don't know how it
will feel with you.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
That's you know. I saw Isaac go through it, and
you know he rode the roller coaster. You know, Isaac,
the same teammate he's even killed, just like you are.
And I could tell it was into hymn, that whole process,
and I see what Toy is going through now, and
that's that stuff is. And to your point, I watched
I'm watching them, Yeah, and I and to your point
I'm learning from. Yeah. Yeah, were you there at Isaac's induction?
(09:12):
I was. I was so happy he lost that iPad.
Just speak from the hip man. That's the realizing exactly. Yeah,
that's the guy. See, that's the dude that only we
knew in the locker room. He would never show the
world that. I'm glad you got to see what it
looks like. It's kind of scary. Yes, I can't wait
to see yours too when you get up in there.
So you, uh, your other talents? Man, you mentioned you
draw You liked them because you can't sing?
Speaker 2 (09:32):
No, I cannot say.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
I could take pictures and I could sketch. You take pictures? Yeah, photographers,
I am what do you? What do you shoot? Landscape?
You know?
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Doing my travels, you know, I love the travel as
a traveler, so I really got into photography through my travels.
It's a way of taking people on along on the
journey or the adventure that I've gone on. And then
far as artists and being I wanted to be a cartoonist,
you know, as a child, I wanted to work for Disney.
I wanted to draw cartoons that quickly evolved and want
to become an art tech. Yeah, I've always had this
(10:01):
ability to sketch and just look at things and just
be you know, I have a good sense of depth
and skill.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
So when it's just you paper pencil, I mean you just.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Locked in, locked in like this week, last past week.
I guess my daughter had a project season in the
first grade. Yeah, the poster board. I got it. I
got it.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
That's for the kids, Stephen, come on, kid's gotta do it, man.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
She colored a little bit outside the line it so
you can't make it too purpose not know you did
it right?
Speaker 1 (10:33):
I know? Yeah. Does she like to draw? I mean,
is that something she loves it? My daughter loves it? Wow.
I bet she sees daddy drawing and then she wants
to do what daddy does. That's awesome. I mean, do
you draw like in quiet airs you play music or
what do you do?
Speaker 2 (10:47):
You know, we play music and our thing is to
sketch and draw together color, you know, even some some scissors,
some cutting, pasting. And then our youngest son, Jack, he's four.
He's a lego guy building blocks. So yeah, I stayed busy.
I'll stay busy with the kids in the craft room.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
I like this. He's more than just the side. Stephen
Jackson is so deep as a person. I'm so glad
we got you on here. So we do this every
show on rams Iconic. It's called my favorite play. Oh yeah, yeah,
do you have a favorite play? Because I got a
bunch of yours. Let me tell you what my favorite
Stephen Jackson play. You lost the game up in San Francisco,
but when I slowed down the video, they gave you
(11:22):
the football on a delay, and when the ball snapped,
I think ten Niners ran towards the line of scrimmage.
They said, the hell with the pass. We jumping on Steven,
and you still picked up four for a first down.
I don't think it even mattered in the game, but
at that time, seeing you take on that entire team
by yourself, almost by yourself, that was like, that is
the epitome of that dude. That's why I like him.
(11:43):
So do you have a favorite play?
Speaker 2 (11:45):
It's actually those two plays that play in and play
in Seattle, very similar. Going into the red zone, going
into the end zone in Seattle. Draw carried a bunch
of guys in Cocknito, I maybe even Isaac, a receiver
jumps over the pile, but I take, you know, five
or six guys with me into the end zone. So
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that run that you mentioned in San France, and that
in that play in Seattle or what you're right in
epitomizes my style of play and my my passion for
the game. And that's just you know, making away when
there's no way and moving people if you have.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
To absolutely moving people, if you see, that's life right there.
You have to move somewhere. Some times you gotta just
you know, you gotta move right. Wow. I just remember
seeing you for the first time bringing kids to the
field in Saint Louis and all these kids, the little ones.
I want to be a football player. Okay, come stand
right here, right by the tunnel, right where you guys
came out. Okay, stand right here. You want to be
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a football player? Huh? Tackle that dude and you come
out with the hair and you do the thing. And
I mean just the looks on their faces, it's like
they saw a god. And then I'm going back to school,
right yes, sir steven Man, thank you for doing all right.
That's a wrap on this episode of Rams Iconic presented
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drink responsible. I hope you enjoyed our conversation with rams
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next time.
Welcome to the Rams Iconic presented by eighteen hundred Tequila,
the best taste in tequila. Please drink responsibly. I'm DeMarco
Farr and this is the podcast where we catch up
with some of the most iconic players in franchise history.
My next guest played for the Rams from two thousand
and four to twenty twelve. He is the Rams all
time leading rusher ten one hundred and thirty eight yards
and fifty six rush touchdowns, three time Pro Bowl, two
(00:29):
time All Pro My man, Steven Jackson. What's up? Man? Well? Man?
How you I'm good. I'm good, John, look as good
as you, mate, You're doing well? Whatever? Come on now?
You still look like you're wearing a suit armor. Man,
Look at you, dude. I try to put it together.
I keep it together. You do, yeh?
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Think?
Speaker 1 (00:44):
How much do you weigh? Now? I mean you played it?
What two fifty five? What do you wait now?
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Two forty forty five? I'm two thirty now you play
you played it two forty five? Yeah, two to fifty yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Yeah. So a lot of people I was talking about
you with other guys that either played with you or
against you, and they said they couldn't believe the size
of you when they saw you. Do you recognize that?
Did you recognize that fear out of other people when
they saw you on the field? I did? Yeah, How
did you not acknowledge that like that fear?
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Well, I mean I acknowledged it in a sense of
like I would take them on in the open field
just to let them know that I knew they were
a little they were turning down tackles if they didn't
have to turning down tick like al dude would actually
turn down to tack You could see it like.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
You're running up on them and this is supposed to
be a collision, and he doesn't. That angle just shifts
just a little bit. So what did you like lose
a little bit of respect? I mean not like total respect,
but just on the field, like, Okay, you're supposed to
take me on here and you're diving down here. Do
you lose a little bit of respect or gain confidence
from it?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
No?
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Gain confidence?
Speaker 2 (01:44):
You know. That's when you go to the sidelines say, hey, coach,
you know, I really think this could be a day
where we could just you know, just black and blow
them up a little bit.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
He don't want to hit me, Yeah, exactly. You would
tell your coach that all the time. No, I mean,
but I mean you do have Stephen Jackson, So no
matter what offense you have, it's always going to go
through you. That's what I thought the offense was gonna be.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Yeah, I mean, well until we brought Sam, and then
when we brought Bradford in, you know, you know, shining
new toy, Heidan Trophy winner and kind of win a
little pass heavy his rookiear at least, But from there,
you know, there was always a sense of we had
a ground game and we can kind of lean on that.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Yeah, lean on people and other people, you know. I
wish Sam would have stayed together. I thought he had
a fantastic rookie season. If he would have stayed healthy,
or if you didn't have the lockout the next year,
right and you got the right coordinator, I think Sam
could have had a different career. His whole trajectory would
have been different. What do you think I.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Believe that I think we you know, for sure, I
think we've stayed a little bit more past balanced and
then also just continue to open the playbook.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
I think I think we open it up too fast.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Right year two I think we try to give him
too much because of the success he had his rookie year.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
I think you know you prolonged speen food the offense
to him year three, year four. I think that allows
for him to grow, and it gives me another year
to allow just to continue to his growth.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Right, just lean on the run more and more. Let
him be comfortable.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Typically, you know quarterbacks you're three or fours kind of
when they kind of take off on their own.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Yeah, and I and that's my critique of it. I
think your two we gave it. We opened the offense
a little too much for sound.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
It's weird. See quarterbacks get four years to blossom. Running backs,
Oh no, you got to go right away? Yeah yeah,
you gotta. Did you feel that coming in as a
as a rookie running back, like I got right now? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Now as a rookie go I still have Marshall okay, right,
But I would say when he retired, there was an expectation, now, okay,
let's go.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
It's your time down and you knew that you were ready?
I mean when did you know like this is going
to be my time? Like you got a Hall of
Famer in front of you when did you know what
was going to be this is my time to take.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Over training camp of year two. Going into that training camp, yeah,
Marshall decided that, uh, you know, he was going to
take a lesser role in the offense. And then that's
kind of where I can see that offense, like Mike
Marshas was starting to put in things particularly for me,
just for you. Yeah, I could tell that, Okay, the
handoff is starting to happen. Nervous like or more excited,
(03:59):
more excited, more excited, you know. One, because you know,
Marshall was someone I looked up to growing up. But two,
taking on that that that extra risk, I still had
him in the locker room to lean on, right, Yeah, yeah,
you know because as a runner, I think you're an artist,
so you make things happen, and very few people could
do what Marshall did. But at the same time, he
was so creative that I could lean on him and
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ask him like would you try that or would you
do that? And he's not just a straight line runner, right,
so he's someone I could actually ask those kind of
questions too, because he was pulled it off.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
And two he was creative. Yeah, see Marshall right. We
were teammates, and you were teammates with Marshalls, so we
have that in common. So you when you say you're
a professional running back and you're a Hall of Fame
worthy guy, I can look at you and say, yeah,
that makes sense. When I see Marshall, I'm like, how
in the hell is this dude? Could out there? I mean,
I can't find definition anywhere on your body, but damn
(04:52):
I can't catch you in the open field.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
He was elastic, man, Yeah he was. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
He had that that that ability to just look like
a ribbon in the sky.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Yeah. Yeah, and you followed it. I mean, like you
you had your own style. You were able to catch
out of the backfield. I think you were the only
it's the only ram or one of the only players
in league history that had one fifty rushing plus one
hundred out of the backfield. Do you ever think, like,
if I could play right now, how much money would
I make? Have you ever thought about that?
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Me and Sean we would have a lot of fun. Sean,
I'm sorry, Mick back, coach me back. We would have
a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
You would yeah, yeah, yeah, out of the backfield right now?
Just wow. But the state of the running backs is weird. Now,
Why are they trying to run you guys out of
the league or at least keep pay down. I don't
get it.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
I think there's such an emphasis right now with the
general managers and presidents trying to look like there's some
like wiz with a salary cap. But it all makes sense,
and they're all like trying to prove points and one
up each other in the sense of like, I can
you know, architect, they a roster really well. I really
think that's it's more on the executive side of the game,
because when you get to the playoffs and it gets
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a cold cold December in November January, it's still a
running It's still a hackling and running game.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Yes sir you yeah, when you can't throw it exactly
weather one allowed. Absolutely. The same people that said I
wouldn't pay a running back are the same people that
said you should have give the ball to Marshaun Lynch
on the one yard line. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
You don't know until you know. But that's what I
said on the way in. I think your record, your
rams record ten and thirty eight yards. I don't think
that will ever be broken on this football team. I
(06:22):
really don't. I don't think. I don't think guys will
have that sort of longevity on one football team anymore. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Well, the you know the good thing about our franchise
is that we love and respect running backs. We have
a rich tradition of the position. And I think you're right,
it will stand. It has to for a while. And
you know, Ed had his stand for a long time
until I came around. So you know, I just whoever
breaks it, I'm sure they'll be deserving, but it's gonna
be hard work.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
I saw Aaron Donald go right by me in like
three years, like my entire career. Yeah, in three years. Yeah,
when he got his twelve sack, he winked at me.
Didn't even look look at me, He just kind of
winked at me. Yeah, like I see you by you
know what I'm saying. Gave him a fistbound on the way.
And but that is cool. You know, you when you
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set those records, you want those records to be broken
because if you are, that means the team is doing well,
and we always want this team to do well. So, uh,
you know, moving forward, So Hall of Fame, you didn't
like to talk about it much in Saint Louis, even
when you started to creep up on some of those
Hall of Fame numbers. And I get it. You were
a player, now you're retired. Hall of Fame. What does
it mean to you?
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Well, historically from Insalanta says, I had a great career.
I'm amongst some of the best in the ever played
the game and in my era what it means for
me until I get the phone call, I don't really
think much about it. And I use that that perspective
because I've seen enough of our our our colleagues have
this emotional roller coaster, right, I don't want to ride it.
(07:52):
I'm not a roller coaster guy, period. I'm not a
six Flags guy, so I'm not gonna roll them. I'm
not gonna ride their emotional roller coaster when it comes
to that either. If it happens, I'll be very grateful.
It's going to be a hell of a party, you know.
But until then, you know, and I really just block
it out.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
I mean, well, here's a tough I mean, look, you
deserve it, absolutely, but do you need it as an athlete?
Do you need that validation from some other people to
say you were great, because if you don't get it
from there, I can line up and list of a
thousand dudes that tried to tackle with you and say, yeah,
this dude was the bomb. Do you need that sort
of thing to put a cap on your career?
Speaker 2 (08:28):
You don't, to be honest with you, You know, my mom
and dad there, which I'm lucky to still have both
of them here. You know, if it happens while they're here,
it'd be very good because to me, you know, we've
all put in a lot of sacrifice, the hours, the
drive of practice.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
And it'd be for them.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
That speech will be for them and for them to
see the world, you know, acknowledge their child. But you know,
if it happens after them, I don't know how it
will feel with you.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
That's you know. I saw Isaac go through it, and
you know he rode the roller coaster. You know, Isaac,
the same teammate he's even killed, just like you are.
And I could tell it was into hymn, that whole process,
and I see what Toy is going through now, and
that's that stuff is. And to your point, I watched
I'm watching them, Yeah, and I and to your point
I'm learning from. Yeah. Yeah, were you there at Isaac's induction?
(09:12):
I was. I was so happy he lost that iPad.
Just speak from the hip man. That's the realizing exactly. Yeah,
that's the guy. See, that's the dude that only we
knew in the locker room. He would never show the
world that. I'm glad you got to see what it
looks like. It's kind of scary. Yes, I can't wait
to see yours too when you get up in there.
So you, uh, your other talents? Man, you mentioned you
draw You liked them because you can't sing?
Speaker 2 (09:32):
No, I cannot say.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
I could take pictures and I could sketch. You take pictures? Yeah, photographers,
I am what do you? What do you shoot? Landscape?
You know?
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Doing my travels, you know, I love the travel as
a traveler, so I really got into photography through my travels.
It's a way of taking people on along on the
journey or the adventure that I've gone on. And then
far as artists and being I wanted to be a cartoonist,
you know, as a child, I wanted to work for Disney.
I wanted to draw cartoons that quickly evolved and want
to become an art tech. Yeah, I've always had this
(10:01):
ability to sketch and just look at things and just
be you know, I have a good sense of depth
and skill.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
So when it's just you paper pencil, I mean you just.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Locked in, locked in like this week, last past week.
I guess my daughter had a project season in the
first grade. Yeah, the poster board. I got it. I
got it.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
That's for the kids, Stephen, come on, kid's gotta do it, man.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
She colored a little bit outside the line it so
you can't make it too purpose not know you did
it right?
Speaker 1 (10:33):
I know? Yeah. Does she like to draw? I mean,
is that something she loves it? My daughter loves it? Wow.
I bet she sees daddy drawing and then she wants
to do what daddy does. That's awesome. I mean, do
you draw like in quiet airs you play music or
what do you do?
Speaker 2 (10:47):
You know, we play music and our thing is to
sketch and draw together color, you know, even some some scissors,
some cutting, pasting. And then our youngest son, Jack, he's four.
He's a lego guy building blocks. So yeah, I stayed busy.
I'll stay busy with the kids in the craft room.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
I like this. He's more than just the side. Stephen
Jackson is so deep as a person. I'm so glad
we got you on here. So we do this every
show on rams Iconic. It's called my favorite play. Oh yeah, yeah,
do you have a favorite play? Because I got a
bunch of yours. Let me tell you what my favorite
Stephen Jackson play. You lost the game up in San Francisco,
but when I slowed down the video, they gave you
(11:22):
the football on a delay, and when the ball snapped,
I think ten Niners ran towards the line of scrimmage.
They said, the hell with the pass. We jumping on Steven,
and you still picked up four for a first down.
I don't think it even mattered in the game, but
at that time, seeing you take on that entire team
by yourself, almost by yourself, that was like, that is
the epitome of that dude. That's why I like him.
(11:43):
So do you have a favorite play?
Speaker 2 (11:45):
It's actually those two plays that play in and play
in Seattle, very similar. Going into the red zone, going
into the end zone in Seattle. Draw carried a bunch
of guys in Cocknito, I maybe even Isaac, a receiver
jumps over the pile, but I take, you know, five
or six guys with me into the end zone. So
(12:06):
that run that you mentioned in San France, and that
in that play in Seattle or what you're right in
epitomizes my style of play and my my passion for
the game. And that's just you know, making away when
there's no way and moving people if you have.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
To absolutely moving people, if you see, that's life right there.
You have to move somewhere. Some times you gotta just
you know, you gotta move right. Wow. I just remember
seeing you for the first time bringing kids to the
field in Saint Louis and all these kids, the little ones.
I want to be a football player. Okay, come stand
right here, right by the tunnel, right where you guys
came out. Okay, stand right here. You want to be
(12:40):
a football player? Huh? Tackle that dude and you come
out with the hair and you do the thing. And
I mean just the looks on their faces, it's like
they saw a god. And then I'm going back to school,
right yes, sir steven Man, thank you for doing all right.
That's a wrap on this episode of Rams Iconic presented
(13:02):
by eighteen hundred Tequila. The Best Taste in tequila. Please
drink responsible. I hope you enjoyed our conversation with rams
legend Stephen Jackson. I'm DeMarco Farr, and we'll see you
next time.
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