January 8, 2025 • 24 mins
With the 2024 season officially in the books, Jen Mueller and John Boyle share their final thoughts and and look ahead to an important offseason for Mike Macdonald and the Seahawks. Today’s show: What Coach Macdonald learned in 2024 (04:38), the search for a new Offensive Coordinator (08:18), Geno Smith's future (15:22), Seahawks' road success (17:13), and two biggest takeaways from 2024 (21:06).
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Now here's your host, Jen.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Mueller, broadcasting from the Seahawks Podcast Studio, presented by Sony,
an official partner of the Seattle Seahawks. We're not exactly
getting you ready for a game on Sunday, John Boyle,
Perhaps we're just getting you ready for the off season
and what we might be able to expect in the
next few weeks from this team.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Yeah, always an interesting time of transition, and you know,
some changes that have already taken place, which we'll get to.
But yeah, it's unfortunately we're so close.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Fifth tiebreaker, Jen.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
I know, only and win team to not make the
playoffs this year, first.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Since twenty Yes of a dubious distinction, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
I know? I mean, I do like holding records. I
don't like holding that one, and I don't also like
having no structure to my schedule right now. That really
throws me for a loop, and I'm looking for days
to just like take off and take naps. Do you
think everybody in the building and the entire coaching staff
and players are doing the same thing.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
I can't picture Mike doing that, right.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
I know he said he wants to take some downtime,
and you know, as he put it, see his child
in the daylight.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
She wasn't really, but I thought that was funny.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
I am going to defend him there if anyone's like, oh,
he needs to spend more time with this child, like
daylight in Seattle, the Heather Kid in December, daylight that
is Seattle.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Yeah, he's actually not going to say that. I don't
see my kids in daylight. A lot of Yeah, I
don't see a lot of things in daylight.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Outside of yeah, the practice feels.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
You know, everyone deserves a little break in the breather.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
But I think also, and we'll get into this more,
I think they want to take advantage of this time
and like they got a late start last year, so
they see this as a chance.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
To well, and that's actually where it was going to
start the conversation, because, look, you knew going into Sunday's
game that it was going to feel a little funky.
You knew that the end was happening ten and seven.
It feels good to go out on a high note.
But I guess if you were looking at a silver
lining to not making the playoffs, it does give you
a chance to get started on next season.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
Right now, the silver lining of being in the situation
is in the opportunity that you're presented is you do
have a head start on the rest of the league
to a certain extent. So this is something we really
have to make sure we take advantage of. This is
a position we don't want to be in ever again.
So hopefully, you know, you make the most of it.
And now we're kind of springboarding into creating those opportunities.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Look, ideally you're not starting your off season until February
every year. That as Mike said, But there is some
good that can come out of this. Like he got
hired on January thirty first last year, and even then
his first party had to be we need to build
a coaching staff, Like if you.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Recall they did not go to the Combine.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
They did not like take partnering in the draft stuff
because they were just focused on we got to figure
out a coaching staff, get to know each other, build
out what our scheme's going to look like. But now
you get all of that done, and now you can
hit the ground running. Of Like, now Mike McDonald's got
all the extra time to figure out how he wants
to improve on defense. Obviously he has to find an
offensive coordinator, so that's going to be a big priority,
but just this extra time can be really valuable for
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this team and this coaching staff.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
And just for Mike McDonald in general. It's kind of
like talking to the rookies who are like, I finally
get an off season, right, I'm not training for the Combine.
I'm not going through all these things. Mike McDonald isn't
going through rounds of interviews and thinking about kind of
those next steps. He gets a chance to step away
and even aside from the evaluation process, just have a normal,
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quote off season for him. That can do a whole
lot because he has been running and gunning in charge
and since yeah for sure, I mean since his season
ended last year. He didn't get a break.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Yeah, and this time last year everything was sort of
theoretical for him. It's here's how I think this will
work with the roster I have. Here's how I want
to tweak the scheme I've run before. And now it's
like he's had a year to put that into practice,
to get to know these players, most of whom on
that side of the ball will be back, and you know, again,
it's like, this is a really valuable time to hit
the ground running and feel like you're gonna start twenty
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twenty five feelings so much farther ahead than where you
were in July of twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
You know.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
And when you hear Mike McDonald talk about the things
that he learned or what he did differently and kind
of how he paired things down. I was going through
some of my old journals yesterday, which I very rarely do,
but I got intrigued by my own words, John, Can
you ever imagine that One of the things I'd written down, though,
is leadership principles are found in books, leadership is learned
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in practice. And that's almost what Mike McDonald was saying
when he met with the media. And what you were
just saying, right, you've got an idea of how this
is going to work. Until you do what, you have
no idea what becomes the most important thing for your
team or not.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
You know, you come in with a lot of ideas,
and what you find is you really needed more double
down on the basic principles that you want it to be.
The team to be founded upon. You realize that pretty
early understanding this is it's way clear on understanding what
we need to do day in day out, what it
feels like, what it looks like as a team, what
it's going to take to be a championship football team.
(05:23):
The easiest way is it's kind of theory going in
of your prior experience. Is before you're kind of running
the show, and now you are, and now it's now
it's in practice. So I think as a as a
as a team and players, of the conversations we had coaches, like,
just the shared understanding of having gone through the experience
and understanding of what we're trying to we're trying to
create is a lot clearer now.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Yeah, again, it's that theory versus practice. We heard from
Mike and players during the year that you know there
are times in the year that they kind of simplified
things more they you know, I think a lot of
times as a new coach and a new play color
can be like I have all these ideas and we
know of we know how smart Mike is, but at
some point you start doing it in games like Okay,
let's style this back, let's focus on this thing.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
You know.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Different times a year we heard and like talk about
focusing on their fastball terms like that, where I just
think he comes out of this year so much better
of an understanding of you know, how he wants things around,
both in terms of his defense, but just as an organization,
and you know, just the little stuff of we can
schedules occasionally. We saw it in the middle of the year,
they coming out of the buy they changed the schedule
players had during the early part of the week.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
So there's just there's so much.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
He carely used to always say this about first year coaches,
like until you've done it, you just don't know what
you don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
And now that he's been through it, he knows a
lot more.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
The one thing I want to point out is we
can talk about tweaking or changing or adjusting things. I
do feel like their general direction was very clear the
entire season. Now, maybe the alignment on offense is not
what Mike McDonald and or John Schneider was looking for,
but it didn't feel like it was this and then
(07:00):
this and then this. It wasn't like this popcorn idea thing.
And I think that's important to point out because if
you take a look at what's happened around the league
and the coaches that have been let go and the
directions that other team are going, I don't know that
that's been true for every team around the league. This
is a good foundation, and they keep they kept talking
about the process and building the foundation. That's what we got.
(07:23):
That's what ten wins is, that's what steady progress throughout
the year is.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Well, yeah, that was an important distinction.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
And Mike made this point a few times throughout, like
they have their their principles, their big picture things, like
they're gonna stick to the important things that he believes
in about you know, how a football team should, you know,
in terms of effort, and you know, the phrase he
loves is like, we want to be a team that's
hard to play, Like those things aren't negotiable. It's okay
if we change the practice schedule, if we go harder
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this day and less hard this day, if we you know,
maybe take a few plays out of playbook, things like that.
It's a little tinkering, that's one thing, but yeah, you're right,
the big picture of the principal stuff.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
He knew what he wanted this to look like and
that vision hasn't changed.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
But he does want things to change on the offensive
side of the ball. We're broadcasting from the Seahawks Podcast Studio,
presented by Sony, an official partner of the Seattle Seahawks.
It is what led to a move early on Monday,
before the team met, before they had exit interviews, announcing
that Ryan Grubb was not going to return as the
offensive coordinator. We can speculate on why that happened, but
(08:26):
first let's hear what coach wants in his OC moving forward.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
You know, as we look forward, and I'm sure you
want to ask on what we're looking for the new
coordinator and all that, it's not as specific. It's not
like these just like, hey, hey, I have to have
a B and C. We want to have an open mind.
We want to try to find the best bit for
our football team and the guys, we have on offense
right now.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Again, He made this point a few times, both his
radio interview and then again in his press corps. It
is like, this wasn't just a lot of people on point,
Oh they didn't run the ball enough or this or that.
It wasn't one specific thing. This was more Mike and
John together have a vision of how they wanted the
offense to be, and it just seemed like.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
They weren't in alignment with Ryan Grubb.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
And you can really respect the coach and really like
his ideas and even think, in the right situation, this
guy's going to be an awesome coordinator somewhere. But just
if you don't see the game the same way, if
his version of one offense should be differs from what
the head coach wants, sometimes it's better to move on
and change it up.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Well. I like that distinction, right. You can love the
offensive game plan, if it does not marry to what
you are doing on defense, you were always going to
be disjointed and you just open up too much opportunity
for opponents to take advantage of that. I also think
it's worth going back to when Mike McDonald got hired
and putting a staff together Ryan Grubb being a first
(09:50):
time play caller in the NFL, Right, there was a
lot of newness, and you can predict and anticipate and
you can have all the best plans in the entire world.
It's like scripting out your first fifteen Right, we got this,
and then you actually find out that once you get
a little bit further in. As he said, it just
didn't the line. It just didn't match up for that.
(10:11):
And I know people are going to look at this,
and there's two ways to look at it. One you
can look at it as a failure and the other
way you can look at it and say, but it
gave us a starting point and now we know where
we want to go from there. Because you weren't going
to hit on everything, you just weren't. It was a
brand new coaching staff. You had to hire everybody like
you weren't going to hit on everything. If that's the
thing you weren't going to hit on, then make that
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call sooner rather than later. And as we've already pointed out,
you get kind of the pick of whoever you want
right now because you get a chance to start some
of those interviews.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Yeah, you're early in the process, and Mike kind of
laid this out to you, this is a very attractive
job for an offensive coordinator because you're coming in first
and foremost it's going to be your offense. It's you know,
it's cool to be an offensive coordinator under Shanahan McVeigh,
but they're really running the show, much like Mike is
with his defense. He's the play caller. If you come
here on offense, like you're going to have a lot
of autonomy, you're going to get to make an offense.
(11:05):
You're going to call the plays, and then just it's
a good team. You're not coming to somebody that fired
their coordinator because they won three or four games as
a ten win team with a lot of really good weapons, a.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Really good quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
So this should be a job that they can attract
some really good candidates too well.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
And one of the things that Mike had said as
he was wrapping up his thoughts for the year is
part of what he wants to do next year is
allocate his time just a little bit differently. Right, he
is in a lot or many of those defensive meetings.
Offense can benefit from his defensive mind, and I think
this year rightfully. So he's installing a new defense, he's
getting used to a new position. I do think next
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year he's going to spend more time with whoever his
offensive coordinator is, to make sure that again they are
in alignment with how you attack schemes, not just personnel,
which is what we've heard the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Yeah, and I think you see that with almost any
first year coach. New head coaches, like they're going to
start with what they special aized in, and over time
you become a much more broad like overseeing an organization,
which is what that job becomes. So yeah, I mean
when he got hired, he talked about he's going to
call plays, but someday he might hand that off. He
did say, it's price conference, that's not the plan for now,
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But someday he could get to that point where he
wants to let somebody else call the plays and he'll
oversee everything. But yeah, you know he'll I bet we'll
see him, you know, wanting to spend a little more
time in those offensive meetings or talking with special teams,
things like that. Once he gets this defense a little
more like, Okay, this is and we know what we're doing.
We've had a whole season under our belt and feel
a little more comfortable with it.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
And when you talk about it being an attractive team
in an attractive place to be, you know, part of
that is the productivity that you got from your rookie
class this year. I think it was five of eight
we're starting in that finale, and I think I kind
of included aj Barner in that one because he was
playing such a large role, but Neiamiah Pritchett was also
active that game. You got a lot of productivity out
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of that rookie class, which points to scouting, It points
to them fitting into your system, and it's a really
nice jumping off point for some of those guys. I'm
thinking specifically across the offensive line for next year.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
I mean, look, I know there's gonna be a lot
of talk about this offensive line going forward. That was
one of the you know, more inconsistent units at times
this year, and they a lot of that was injury related.
They were missing guys, changing guys out. But you do
have some young guys you want to see developed. I'm
sure they will also look like any offseason, you're gonna
look at every.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Way possible to improve.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
So if there's a good veteran they like in free agency,
if there's even a trade, like the John Shiner is
gonna look at everything.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
That's how he operates.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
But you also are going to look at Okay, we've
got two rookies who played some meaningful snaps, including the
toe Alaumey who started the almost the second half of
the season. You know you're gonna expect a lot of
development from those guys. Even Olu he's a third year guy,
but he didn't play a ton until midway through this year.
So guys that you know, you you feel like you
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can grow with in addition to whatever you add.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
Yeah, and we mentioned this at the end of last season,
and I think or when the decision was being made
to move on from Pete Carroll. When you talk about
tell and evaluation from John Schneider and I just had
this conversation with somebody the other day, you're not just
looking at who jumps off the page. He has a process.
Like I kind of joke about going back and looking
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at my journals. Dun Schneider journals about everything. He journals
about decisions that he's made with coaches, with players, how
conversations has gone and he's talked about this a number
of times. It is not going to be made on
a whim. The decision will not be made out of emotion.
He has done this long enough to have a process
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in place that will yield a result separate from however
or whatever you might be feeling about the situation.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Yeah, I mean you can't.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
You can't be in that job and be too emotionally
swayed by You.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Say that, and you know what, there are gms and
owners in the league who are.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Okay, you can't be in that job and succeed at
it for over a decade.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
You're right, You're right. Maybe I cut you off too soon.
Maybe I thought you John hard enough, Clari, That's okay, right.
We are broadcasting from the Seahawks Podcast Studio presented by Sony,
an official partner of the Seattle Seahawks. One of those
big question marks in the off season, and one of
the kind of thought processes the entire staff is going
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to have to go through, is what happens with Gino Smith.
He hits all of his incentives in that last game,
sets franchise mark's personal best. He finishes arguably his best
season of his career depending on which mark you want
to use. And now we're waiting to see what happens
to the QB.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
I want Gina to be here. I think he's a
heck of a player. He like what's the first thing,
always comes back for like for what's best for the team.
I feel like Gino is the best for the team
right now, and so I'll be involved with it. Ultimately,
it's not my decision. It's a Seahawks decision. So but
Gena knows how we feel about them, and we love
them as our starting quarterback for sure.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
And important to know here Gino Smith is under contract
for next season, so this isn't a you know, pending
free agent situation. But generally with these higher profile file players,
when they go into the last years of the deal,
that's when you start looking at you know, the player
wants some security of a long term deal, the team
wants to know what their future is. So that's a
conversation that will be happening between the two sides and
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we'll see where it shapes up or how it shakes out.
But clearly here in Mike mcdalland talk really all season long,
that wasn't just something said at the end of the year.
They like Geno Smith a lot, so if they can
figure out a way that that works out for both sides,
I think getting something done to extend him here would
be a great move.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
I think the timing of that will be the thing
that most people are probably looking at considering kind of
how that deal is structured. Seattle will be watching games
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a beat on the road this season. That was an
impressive finish.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
That's they've only done that once in franchise history, and
six of those six in a row to in the
year after theton You know what that meant.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
A lot of happy flights home.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Yeah, in good mood.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
Yeah, it doesn't matter how long that flight is. It
feels a whole lot better after a win. Folks, that
was pretty good. But you were asking Mike about this
earlier in the week and he pointed out there's kind
of a flip.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Side, which thing fun that he pointed out because that's
how every fan would react to if you brought it
up right.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
But here's actually what the coach had to say about it.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
It's really seamless.
Speaker 5 (17:55):
When we travel, guys can really just focus on football.
So I think we do it at a first class level.
And just the focus and keeping the team together. We
don't want it to it's like the business trip. We
don't really use that language. It's really just say, let's
stay loose, stay focused. It's kind of keep the task
at hand and go try to win a football game.
So trying to keep it simple. But yeah, this is
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the mentality of the guys operation wise, offensively, you know,
operating on silent cadence. Defensively, it's a little more quiet,
so it's easier to communicate. And then, honestly, John, listen
to your question. The first thing to come in to
mind is we got to play better at home. You know,
it's great to be seven to one on the road,
but we got to make this place a nightmare for
teams to come in and play us and utilize our
fans in the crowd and the twelve and kind of
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the whole twelve is one mantra. We really got to
make that come to life when we're at Lumen. So
that's going to be a major focus for us this offseason.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
First, a side note on that, he said, we don't
really use the business trip language. I won't out who
it was, but someone in my department said, does I
mean I can start wearing sweats on the charter if
it's not a.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Business trip, no more addressing up.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
But yeah, I mean it's again, that's how I think
every fan reacts. If you say seven to one on
the road, Yeah, that's cool, but you're seven.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
And one on the road and you miss the playoffs. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Two other teams won seven road games this year. You
know who they were, the two number one seeds, Kansas
City and Detroit. So it's like, you win seven road games,
you should be you know, yes, not just a playoff team,
but one of the best teams in the league. And
that's frustrating, you know, for the team, for the fans
because like it's It's not like lumen Field is not
a good home field advantage in terms of crowd noise.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Fans are into it.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
It's just a weird I can't and obviously the team
can't put their finger on it because they haven't changed
that yet. But that's going to be a huge focus,
as Mike said, and figuring out how to really, you know,
recapture that home field advantage and be a dominant team
at home. Because to reach the goals that Mike has
that this team has, you've got to be winning you know, most,
if not all, your home games.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
Yeah, and I would also give a shout out to
the twelves who travel really well to every single one
of those road trips. Now your fortitude will be tested
next year, twelves, because we've got a lot the East
Coast road games next year.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
We go I think six of the games, I could
six games could be ten amyas on.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Where they're located. It probably won't all.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
Be, but no, it's I don't We're not that as
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to talk about the.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Schedule breakdown yet.
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Speaker 4 (20:54):
We're having up the final few minutes of the Seahawks
Insiders podcast, usually the point where I would ask John
for two days we need to see from the Seahawks
to get a win. Since that is not on the
table this week, Here's what I'm thinking, John, I would
like the two biggest takeaways from the season for you,
and I'm actually going to start and say how fast
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this season went. I've been on the sidelines for sixteen
years and there's always ebbs and flows of seasons. But
when you have a coaching chain for the first time
in a long time, and there's a lot of newness.
I think I expected it to be more of like
a grind to figure things out. Whether it was a
grind for the players, a grind for us, a grind
through the schedule, I don't. My expectations did not match
(21:38):
up with what actually happened during the course of the year.
It went really fast because this team was fun to watch.
That would be my first takeaway.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Yeah, I mean my first I think is just general excitement, optimism,
whatever you want to call it, about the direction this
team's going. Like I get, yes, making the playoffs would
have been great, and they wanted to do that that
you know, the goal was bigger than what they've accomplished.
But with the growth we saw, you know, especially with
the defense, and just I think the way players all
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really are buying into what Mike is leading here. I
just I think if this coaching staff a full off season,
you know, add some help in the offseason, and I
think next year is going to be really exciting.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
I think the other thing I would say is there's
some legit studs on this team. Yeah, Like there are
some big name players. If you look at where you
know JSN fig figures into the equation and how he
finished his season. Leonard Williams needs more recognition that he's
got in than he's gotten than he's got ten a
long season. Derek Hall comes on strong. Right, There's a
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whole bunch of guys that play big roles. Kenny McIntosh
finally does what you knew he could do in college,
and and there's just there's some big time playmakers and
that's going to make it fun.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
No, I mean there's a long way to go till
we get to training camp and can start focusing on
next year. But I think there's going to be a
lot of cool buzz and optimism around this team once
we get there.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
After we all take a few naps and take a
couple of days off, that'd be good. My brain is
a little bit scrambled.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
You know, diving right into mock draft season.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
I will not be diving into mock drafts. You know what,
I'm gonna be diving into a bag of chips, a
bottle of wine. I don't know, something like.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Do you have like a good chip wine?
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Parent like a like a flavor of Doritos and a
nice peanuts.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Well, you know what, I I love anything salty and
I love blue cheese with like a big red so
like a blue cheese dip with.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
A big cab or something.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
Yeah, with a big cab. That's a separate podcast altogether.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Breaking a big tell you what let's do.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
We're just gonna do it right here so you can
hear us munching on chips and then like slurping wine
and it'll be great. It'll be real classy. That's what
that's gonna be. I think probably the next time we
talk to the peeps is gonna be come bye, drafts, Skeedgy.
There's some stuff coming up in the off season.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Free agency gets going pop it up. Then.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
That sounds like a lot of work, but yes, I
am up for it because it is gonna be a
while until we talk to you. Thanks for listening to
us all season long. We look forward to the next
time we're back with you for another episode of the
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Mueller, broadcasting from the Seahawks Podcast Studio, presented by Sony,
an official partner of the Seattle Seahawks. We're not exactly
getting you ready for a game on Sunday, John Boyle,
Perhaps we're just getting you ready for the off season
and what we might be able to expect in the
next few weeks from this team.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Yeah, always an interesting time of transition, and you know,
some changes that have already taken place, which we'll get to.
But yeah, it's unfortunately we're so close.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Fifth tiebreaker, Jen.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
I know, only and win team to not make the
playoffs this year, first.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Since twenty Yes of a dubious distinction, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
I know? I mean, I do like holding records. I
don't like holding that one, and I don't also like
having no structure to my schedule right now. That really
throws me for a loop, and I'm looking for days
to just like take off and take naps. Do you
think everybody in the building and the entire coaching staff
and players are doing the same thing.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
I can't picture Mike doing that, right.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
I know he said he wants to take some downtime,
and you know, as he put it, see his child
in the daylight.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
She wasn't really, but I thought that was funny.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
I am going to defend him there if anyone's like, oh,
he needs to spend more time with this child, like
daylight in Seattle, the Heather Kid in December, daylight that
is Seattle.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Yeah, he's actually not going to say that. I don't
see my kids in daylight. A lot of Yeah, I
don't see a lot of things in daylight.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Outside of yeah, the practice feels.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
You know, everyone deserves a little break in the breather.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
But I think also, and we'll get into this more,
I think they want to take advantage of this time
and like they got a late start last year, so
they see this as a chance.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
To well, and that's actually where it was going to
start the conversation, because, look, you knew going into Sunday's
game that it was going to feel a little funky.
You knew that the end was happening ten and seven.
It feels good to go out on a high note.
But I guess if you were looking at a silver
lining to not making the playoffs, it does give you
a chance to get started on next season.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
Right now, the silver lining of being in the situation
is in the opportunity that you're presented is you do
have a head start on the rest of the league
to a certain extent. So this is something we really
have to make sure we take advantage of. This is
a position we don't want to be in ever again.
So hopefully, you know, you make the most of it.
And now we're kind of springboarding into creating those opportunities.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Look, ideally you're not starting your off season until February
every year. That as Mike said, But there is some
good that can come out of this. Like he got
hired on January thirty first last year, and even then
his first party had to be we need to build
a coaching staff, Like if you.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Recall they did not go to the Combine.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
They did not like take partnering in the draft stuff
because they were just focused on we got to figure
out a coaching staff, get to know each other, build
out what our scheme's going to look like. But now
you get all of that done, and now you can
hit the ground running. Of Like, now Mike McDonald's got
all the extra time to figure out how he wants
to improve on defense. Obviously he has to find an
offensive coordinator, so that's going to be a big priority,
but just this extra time can be really valuable for
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this team and this coaching staff.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
And just for Mike McDonald in general. It's kind of
like talking to the rookies who are like, I finally
get an off season, right, I'm not training for the Combine.
I'm not going through all these things. Mike McDonald isn't
going through rounds of interviews and thinking about kind of
those next steps. He gets a chance to step away
and even aside from the evaluation process, just have a normal,
(03:43):
quote off season for him. That can do a whole
lot because he has been running and gunning in charge
and since yeah for sure, I mean since his season
ended last year. He didn't get a break.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Yeah, and this time last year everything was sort of
theoretical for him. It's here's how I think this will
work with the roster I have. Here's how I want
to tweak the scheme I've run before. And now it's
like he's had a year to put that into practice,
to get to know these players, most of whom on
that side of the ball will be back, and you know, again,
it's like, this is a really valuable time to hit
the ground running and feel like you're gonna start twenty
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twenty five feelings so much farther ahead than where you
were in July of twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
You know.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
And when you hear Mike McDonald talk about the things
that he learned or what he did differently and kind
of how he paired things down. I was going through
some of my old journals yesterday, which I very rarely do,
but I got intrigued by my own words, John, Can
you ever imagine that One of the things I'd written down, though,
is leadership principles are found in books, leadership is learned
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in practice. And that's almost what Mike McDonald was saying
when he met with the media. And what you were
just saying, right, you've got an idea of how this
is going to work. Until you do what, you have
no idea what becomes the most important thing for your
team or not.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
You know, you come in with a lot of ideas,
and what you find is you really needed more double
down on the basic principles that you want it to be.
The team to be founded upon. You realize that pretty
early understanding this is it's way clear on understanding what
we need to do day in day out, what it
feels like, what it looks like as a team, what
it's going to take to be a championship football team.
(05:23):
The easiest way is it's kind of theory going in
of your prior experience. Is before you're kind of running
the show, and now you are, and now it's now
it's in practice. So I think as a as a
as a team and players, of the conversations we had coaches, like,
just the shared understanding of having gone through the experience
and understanding of what we're trying to we're trying to
create is a lot clearer now.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Yeah, again, it's that theory versus practice. We heard from
Mike and players during the year that you know there
are times in the year that they kind of simplified
things more they you know, I think a lot of
times as a new coach and a new play color
can be like I have all these ideas and we
know of we know how smart Mike is, but at
some point you start doing it in games like Okay,
let's style this back, let's focus on this thing.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
You know.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Different times a year we heard and like talk about
focusing on their fastball terms like that, where I just
think he comes out of this year so much better
of an understanding of you know, how he wants things around,
both in terms of his defense, but just as an organization,
and you know, just the little stuff of we can
schedules occasionally. We saw it in the middle of the year,
they coming out of the buy they changed the schedule
players had during the early part of the week.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
So there's just there's so much.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
He carely used to always say this about first year coaches,
like until you've done it, you just don't know what
you don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
And now that he's been through it, he knows a
lot more.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
The one thing I want to point out is we
can talk about tweaking or changing or adjusting things. I
do feel like their general direction was very clear the
entire season. Now, maybe the alignment on offense is not
what Mike McDonald and or John Schneider was looking for,
but it didn't feel like it was this and then
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this and then this. It wasn't like this popcorn idea thing.
And I think that's important to point out because if
you take a look at what's happened around the league
and the coaches that have been let go and the
directions that other team are going, I don't know that
that's been true for every team around the league. This
is a good foundation, and they keep they kept talking
about the process and building the foundation. That's what we got.
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That's what ten wins is, that's what steady progress throughout
the year is.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Well, yeah, that was an important distinction.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
And Mike made this point a few times throughout, like
they have their their principles, their big picture things, like
they're gonna stick to the important things that he believes
in about you know, how a football team should, you know,
in terms of effort, and you know, the phrase he
loves is like, we want to be a team that's
hard to play, Like those things aren't negotiable. It's okay
if we change the practice schedule, if we go harder
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this day and less hard this day, if we you know,
maybe take a few plays out of playbook, things like that.
It's a little tinkering, that's one thing, but yeah, you're right,
the big picture of the principal stuff.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
He knew what he wanted this to look like and
that vision hasn't changed.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
But he does want things to change on the offensive
side of the ball. We're broadcasting from the Seahawks Podcast Studio,
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It is what led to a move early on Monday,
before the team met, before they had exit interviews, announcing
that Ryan Grubb was not going to return as the
offensive coordinator. We can speculate on why that happened, but
(08:26):
first let's hear what coach wants in his OC moving forward.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
You know, as we look forward, and I'm sure you
want to ask on what we're looking for the new
coordinator and all that, it's not as specific. It's not
like these just like, hey, hey, I have to have
a B and C. We want to have an open mind.
We want to try to find the best bit for
our football team and the guys, we have on offense
right now.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Again, He made this point a few times, both his
radio interview and then again in his press corps. It
is like, this wasn't just a lot of people on point,
Oh they didn't run the ball enough or this or that.
It wasn't one specific thing. This was more Mike and
John together have a vision of how they wanted the
offense to be, and it just seemed like.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
They weren't in alignment with Ryan Grubb.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
And you can really respect the coach and really like
his ideas and even think, in the right situation, this
guy's going to be an awesome coordinator somewhere. But just
if you don't see the game the same way, if
his version of one offense should be differs from what
the head coach wants, sometimes it's better to move on
and change it up.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Well. I like that distinction, right. You can love the
offensive game plan, if it does not marry to what
you are doing on defense, you were always going to
be disjointed and you just open up too much opportunity
for opponents to take advantage of that. I also think
it's worth going back to when Mike McDonald got hired
and putting a staff together Ryan Grubb being a first
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time play caller in the NFL, Right, there was a
lot of newness, and you can predict and anticipate and
you can have all the best plans in the entire world.
It's like scripting out your first fifteen Right, we got this,
and then you actually find out that once you get
a little bit further in. As he said, it just
didn't the line. It just didn't match up for that.
(10:11):
And I know people are going to look at this,
and there's two ways to look at it. One you
can look at it as a failure and the other
way you can look at it and say, but it
gave us a starting point and now we know where
we want to go from there. Because you weren't going
to hit on everything, you just weren't. It was a
brand new coaching staff. You had to hire everybody like
you weren't going to hit on everything. If that's the
thing you weren't going to hit on, then make that
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call sooner rather than later. And as we've already pointed out,
you get kind of the pick of whoever you want
right now because you get a chance to start some
of those interviews.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Yeah, you're early in the process, and Mike kind of
laid this out to you, this is a very attractive
job for an offensive coordinator because you're coming in first
and foremost it's going to be your offense. It's you know,
it's cool to be an offensive coordinator under Shanahan McVeigh,
but they're really running the show, much like Mike is
with his defense. He's the play caller. If you come
here on offense, like you're going to have a lot
of autonomy, you're going to get to make an offense.
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You're going to call the plays, and then just it's
a good team. You're not coming to somebody that fired
their coordinator because they won three or four games as
a ten win team with a lot of really good weapons, a.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Really good quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
So this should be a job that they can attract
some really good candidates too well.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
And one of the things that Mike had said as
he was wrapping up his thoughts for the year is
part of what he wants to do next year is
allocate his time just a little bit differently. Right, he
is in a lot or many of those defensive meetings.
Offense can benefit from his defensive mind, and I think
this year rightfully. So he's installing a new defense, he's
getting used to a new position. I do think next
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year he's going to spend more time with whoever his
offensive coordinator is, to make sure that again they are
in alignment with how you attack schemes, not just personnel,
which is what we've heard the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Yeah, and I think you see that with almost any
first year coach. New head coaches, like they're going to
start with what they special aized in, and over time
you become a much more broad like overseeing an organization,
which is what that job becomes. So yeah, I mean
when he got hired, he talked about he's going to
call plays, but someday he might hand that off. He
did say, it's price conference, that's not the plan for now,
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But someday he could get to that point where he
wants to let somebody else call the plays and he'll
oversee everything. But yeah, you know he'll I bet we'll
see him, you know, wanting to spend a little more
time in those offensive meetings or talking with special teams,
things like that. Once he gets this defense a little
more like, Okay, this is and we know what we're doing.
We've had a whole season under our belt and feel
a little more comfortable with it.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
And when you talk about it being an attractive team
in an attractive place to be, you know, part of
that is the productivity that you got from your rookie
class this year. I think it was five of eight
we're starting in that finale, and I think I kind
of included aj Barner in that one because he was
playing such a large role, but Neiamiah Pritchett was also
active that game. You got a lot of productivity out
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of that rookie class, which points to scouting, It points
to them fitting into your system, and it's a really
nice jumping off point for some of those guys. I'm
thinking specifically across the offensive line for next year.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
I mean, look, I know there's gonna be a lot
of talk about this offensive line going forward. That was
one of the you know, more inconsistent units at times
this year, and they a lot of that was injury related.
They were missing guys, changing guys out. But you do
have some young guys you want to see developed. I'm
sure they will also look like any offseason, you're gonna
look at every.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Way possible to improve.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
So if there's a good veteran they like in free agency,
if there's even a trade, like the John Shiner is
gonna look at everything.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
That's how he operates.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
But you also are going to look at Okay, we've
got two rookies who played some meaningful snaps, including the
toe Alaumey who started the almost the second half of
the season. You know you're gonna expect a lot of
development from those guys. Even Olu he's a third year guy,
but he didn't play a ton until midway through this year.
So guys that you know, you you feel like you
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can grow with in addition to whatever you add.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
Yeah, and we mentioned this at the end of last season,
and I think or when the decision was being made
to move on from Pete Carroll. When you talk about
tell and evaluation from John Schneider and I just had
this conversation with somebody the other day, you're not just
looking at who jumps off the page. He has a process.
Like I kind of joke about going back and looking
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at my journals. Dun Schneider journals about everything. He journals
about decisions that he's made with coaches, with players, how
conversations has gone and he's talked about this a number
of times. It is not going to be made on
a whim. The decision will not be made out of emotion.
He has done this long enough to have a process
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in place that will yield a result separate from however
or whatever you might be feeling about the situation.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Yeah, I mean you can't.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
You can't be in that job and be too emotionally
swayed by You.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Say that, and you know what, there are gms and
owners in the league who are.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Okay, you can't be in that job and succeed at
it for over a decade.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
You're right, You're right. Maybe I cut you off too soon.
Maybe I thought you John hard enough, Clari, That's okay, right.
We are broadcasting from the Seahawks Podcast Studio presented by Sony,
an official partner of the Seattle Seahawks. One of those
big question marks in the off season, and one of
the kind of thought processes the entire staff is going
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to have to go through, is what happens with Gino Smith.
He hits all of his incentives in that last game,
sets franchise mark's personal best. He finishes arguably his best
season of his career depending on which mark you want
to use. And now we're waiting to see what happens
to the QB.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
I want Gina to be here. I think he's a
heck of a player. He like what's the first thing,
always comes back for like for what's best for the team.
I feel like Gino is the best for the team
right now, and so I'll be involved with it. Ultimately,
it's not my decision. It's a Seahawks decision. So but
Gena knows how we feel about them, and we love
them as our starting quarterback for sure.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
And important to know here Gino Smith is under contract
for next season, so this isn't a you know, pending
free agent situation. But generally with these higher profile file players,
when they go into the last years of the deal,
that's when you start looking at you know, the player
wants some security of a long term deal, the team
wants to know what their future is. So that's a
conversation that will be happening between the two sides and
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we'll see where it shapes up or how it shakes out.
But clearly here in Mike mcdalland talk really all season long,
that wasn't just something said at the end of the year.
They like Geno Smith a lot, so if they can
figure out a way that that works out for both sides,
I think getting something done to extend him here would
be a great move.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
I think the timing of that will be the thing
that most people are probably looking at considering kind of
how that deal is structured. Seattle will be watching games
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a beat with Sony headphones. I don't think Seattle missed
a beat on the road this season. That was an
impressive finish.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
That's they've only done that once in franchise history, and
six of those six in a row to in the
year after theton You know what that meant.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
A lot of happy flights home.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Yeah, in good mood.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
Yeah, it doesn't matter how long that flight is. It
feels a whole lot better after a win. Folks, that
was pretty good. But you were asking Mike about this
earlier in the week and he pointed out there's kind
of a flip.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Side, which thing fun that he pointed out because that's
how every fan would react to if you brought it
up right.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
But here's actually what the coach had to say about it.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
It's really seamless.
Speaker 5 (17:55):
When we travel, guys can really just focus on football.
So I think we do it at a first class level.
And just the focus and keeping the team together. We
don't want it to it's like the business trip. We
don't really use that language. It's really just say, let's
stay loose, stay focused. It's kind of keep the task
at hand and go try to win a football game.
So trying to keep it simple. But yeah, this is
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the mentality of the guys operation wise, offensively, you know,
operating on silent cadence. Defensively, it's a little more quiet,
so it's easier to communicate. And then, honestly, John, listen
to your question. The first thing to come in to
mind is we got to play better at home. You know,
it's great to be seven to one on the road,
but we got to make this place a nightmare for
teams to come in and play us and utilize our
fans in the crowd and the twelve and kind of
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the whole twelve is one mantra. We really got to
make that come to life when we're at Lumen. So
that's going to be a major focus for us this offseason.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
First, a side note on that, he said, we don't
really use the business trip language. I won't out who
it was, but someone in my department said, does I
mean I can start wearing sweats on the charter if
it's not a.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Business trip, no more addressing up.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
But yeah, I mean it's again, that's how I think
every fan reacts. If you say seven to one on
the road, Yeah, that's cool, but you're seven.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
And one on the road and you miss the playoffs. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Two other teams won seven road games this year. You
know who they were, the two number one seeds, Kansas
City and Detroit. So it's like, you win seven road games,
you should be you know, yes, not just a playoff team,
but one of the best teams in the league. And
that's frustrating, you know, for the team, for the fans
because like it's It's not like lumen Field is not
a good home field advantage in terms of crowd noise.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Fans are into it.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
It's just a weird I can't and obviously the team
can't put their finger on it because they haven't changed
that yet. But that's going to be a huge focus,
as Mike said, and figuring out how to really, you know,
recapture that home field advantage and be a dominant team
at home. Because to reach the goals that Mike has
that this team has, you've got to be winning you know, most,
if not all, your home games.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
Yeah, and I would also give a shout out to
the twelves who travel really well to every single one
of those road trips. Now your fortitude will be tested
next year, twelves, because we've got a lot the East
Coast road games next year.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
We go I think six of the games, I could
six games could be ten amyas on.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Where they're located. It probably won't all.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
Be, but no, it's I don't We're not that as
an entirely separate podcast for you. I am not ready
to talk about the.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Schedule breakdown yet.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
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We're having up the final few minutes of the Seahawks
Insiders podcast, usually the point where I would ask John
for two days we need to see from the Seahawks
to get a win. Since that is not on the
table this week, Here's what I'm thinking, John, I would
like the two biggest takeaways from the season for you,
and I'm actually going to start and say how fast
(21:16):
this season went. I've been on the sidelines for sixteen
years and there's always ebbs and flows of seasons. But
when you have a coaching chain for the first time
in a long time, and there's a lot of newness.
I think I expected it to be more of like
a grind to figure things out. Whether it was a
grind for the players, a grind for us, a grind
through the schedule, I don't. My expectations did not match
(21:38):
up with what actually happened during the course of the year.
It went really fast because this team was fun to watch.
That would be my first takeaway.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Yeah, I mean my first I think is just general excitement, optimism,
whatever you want to call it, about the direction this
team's going. Like I get, yes, making the playoffs would
have been great, and they wanted to do that that
you know, the goal was bigger than what they've accomplished.
But with the growth we saw, you know, especially with
the defense, and just I think the way players all
(22:07):
really are buying into what Mike is leading here. I
just I think if this coaching staff a full off season,
you know, add some help in the offseason, and I
think next year is going to be really exciting.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
I think the other thing I would say is there's
some legit studs on this team. Yeah, Like there are
some big name players. If you look at where you
know JSN fig figures into the equation and how he
finished his season. Leonard Williams needs more recognition that he's
got in than he's gotten than he's got ten a
long season. Derek Hall comes on strong. Right, There's a
(22:40):
whole bunch of guys that play big roles. Kenny McIntosh
finally does what you knew he could do in college,
and and there's just there's some big time playmakers and
that's going to make it fun.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
No, I mean there's a long way to go till
we get to training camp and can start focusing on
next year. But I think there's going to be a
lot of cool buzz and optimism around this team once
we get there.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
After we all take a few naps and take a
couple of days off, that'd be good. My brain is
a little bit scrambled.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
You know, diving right into mock draft season.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
I will not be diving into mock drafts. You know what,
I'm gonna be diving into a bag of chips, a
bottle of wine. I don't know, something like.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Do you have like a good chip wine?
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Parent like a like a flavor of Doritos and a
nice peanuts.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Well, you know what, I I love anything salty and
I love blue cheese with like a big red so
like a blue cheese dip with.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
A big cab or something.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
Yeah, with a big cab. That's a separate podcast altogether.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Breaking a big tell you what let's do.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
We're just gonna do it right here so you can
hear us munching on chips and then like slurping wine
and it'll be great. It'll be real classy. That's what
that's gonna be. I think probably the next time we
talk to the peeps is gonna be come bye, drafts, Skeedgy.
There's some stuff coming up in the off season.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Free agency gets going pop it up. Then.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
That sounds like a lot of work, but yes, I
am up for it because it is gonna be a
while until we talk to you. Thanks for listening to
us all season long. We look forward to the next
time we're back with you for another episode of the
Seahawks Insiders podcast.
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