September 11, 2025 • 22 mins
The Seahawks hit the road for the first time and are looking to bounce back against the Pittsburgh Steelers in Week 2 at Acrisure Stadium. Jen Mueller and John Boyle preview the upcoming matchup vs. the 1-0 Steelers. Today's show: Seahawks run game (2:09), physical style (4:11) , Aaron Rodgers (05:07), Leonard Williams on disguises (09:08), DK Metcalf (12:32), Steelers defense (16:41), fantasy Insider (17: 59) and two things we need to see (20:37).
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to the Seahawks Insiders, getting you ready for
Seahawks Football every Sunday, presented by Delta, the official airline
of the Seahawks.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Now here's your host, Jen Mueller.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Well, we made it through week one of the regular season.
Speaker 4 (00:15):
We are moving on to week two because John, I'm
really trying to skip past the overreaction that happens everywhere
across the league. It's NFL and it's college football after
just one game and such a small sample size, right,
I mean, look.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
I get it. Fans get frustrated.
Speaker 5 (00:32):
You want to see your team win, and it's all
the more frustrating win you're just this close, you know,
one play on defense or one more play on offense,
and you're feeling a lot different. But yeah, it's such
a long season. You're not a finished product by any means,
especially on offense where you have so much newness. So
it's okay to be mad wish they had won, But
(00:53):
I don't think it's time to start panicking about what
we saw.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
And what I keep coming back to is, yes, I
did see them run the ball more effectively in the
preseason and certainly in the practices that we saw in
training camp. However, I'm still not sure until I get
two or three weeks in how much of that was
scheme against the forty nine ers, how much of that
is that was a really good front that San Francisco had.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
And oh, by the way, for.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
All the practice that they had, you didn't play your
starters in the preseason, and for good reasons. So it
takes just a little bit to get an entirely new
offensive scheme together.
Speaker 5 (01:28):
Exactly, it's gonna you know, you don't want to come
into a season being like it's gonna take some time.
We gotta grow because you want to hit the ground
running week one. That's obviously the goal. But when you
have this much newness with a quarterback, a coordinator, new
scheme for the guys blocking up front, like, it does
take some time for them to be at their best.
We understand why teams rest their starters. It's a you know,
(01:49):
a health issue more than anything. But that doesn't mean
they're not getting some of that work in the in
the preseason, so you know, they'll get better. I think
we're gonna see a lot better version of that offense
in that run game starting this week.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
And not a single person said that game was good enough.
Nobody in the locker room after the game, nobody in
press conferences this week has said that's what it's supposed
to look like. In fact, here is what Mike McDonald
said about the run game last week.
Speaker 6 (02:14):
Yeah, there's a handful of runs that didn't go our
way on Sunday, and a handful of runs went our way.
You know that sometimes it goes like that. We wanted
to go more in our favor than not. It's not
for a lack of effort. And we've done a lot
of great things throughout the preseason, which which you saw
in all three games. So let's stick with it. Man.
You know we're doing a lot of great stuff. Let's
just keep getting better.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
The message we heard after the game then and Monday,
then and Wednesday, this is much more about like details,
small things, and the term that he keeps coming back
to that he liked is like the effort and the
way guys played hard in the physicality and again, you
want to win that game, but that stuff's more important.
You can fix the little details. You can tweak things schematically,
you can work on foot work. You can't change a
(02:55):
team's effort. You can't change like how physical guys are
and they did that stuff in that game. I mean
that that was a physical game. They you know, both
teams are hitting hard and like that. To me, again,
the loss sucks, but coming out of it with that
is more important to me than like if you just
felt like, oh, we did everything perfect, but they just
beat us in the trenches.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
They were more physical and that was not the case.
Speaker 7 (03:18):
No.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
In fact, if you kind of look out like the
ripples in a pond sort of a thing, yeah, you
could just look at week one, take a look at
the injuries that the forty nine ers suffered as a
result of that game.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
And we were.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
Talking about this before we started taping, and look, you
don't wish injuries on anybody, that's not what we're saying.
But it is proof of the physicality, right, And you
don't win the game. The Niners do have division opponent
matchups coming up, and you might not have your starting
quarterback and you definitely don't have George Kittle for those.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
Yeah, I mean, again, you don't want to see people
get hurt, but it just does show like the forty
nine ers were this team for a long time and
they still very well. Maybe, but like when you're that
really physical team, like there's repercussions from playing that that
linger that the twenty thirteen Seahawks, there was some crazy
stat I wish I had looked this up, but I
didn't about like teams after playing the Seahawks, like their record,
(04:08):
I mean they barely are like basically none of their
opponents won the next week because just you come out
of that game hurting, and Leo talked about that off
the game of like they felt us and that's important
to them. Its like, again, they don't want to do
anything dirty, they don't want to hurt guys, but they
want to be physical. It's but Mike McDonald always says
through not around, and that's a big thing for them.
Is like we're going to be to use another of
Mike McDonalds phrase, like a team people don't want to
(04:30):
play against.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
Yes, well that's what I was just going to style
that you.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Want to play? Yeah, styles teams don't want to.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Play And I think you saw that on both sides
of them, right, which kind of goes.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Back to that.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
So we could talk about the forty nine ers, but
again I don't have a big enough sample size to
know exactly what it is that I'm looking at, and
I don't think we will for at least another couple
of weeks. Now, it will be interesting because you're facing
the Steelers this week, You've got the Saints next week.
I'm not sure how comparable they are in style, but
(05:00):
I do know that there are some familiar faces for
the Steelers and there is plenty to talk about. How
about if we just talk about Aaron Rodgers and what
to expect from the Ageless Wonder.
Speaker 6 (05:14):
Just I mean, obviously the arm talent and the quarterback
ability is there, but the Aaron Rodgers, the operator is
second to none.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
He's just it's on his game.
Speaker 6 (05:24):
He kind of like knows everything. So you have to
assume that going in and not a lot of tricking
going on. So so it's gonna be a like we're
gonna have to win our one on ones to have
a good game on defense. You know, we're gonna have
to play a great run defense. In the past game,
We're gonna have to We're gonna have to win our
one on one battles.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
Yeah, I think there was some question coming out of
his time with the Jets of like, what does Aaron
Rodgers have left is he done? You know, he's up
there in age. He was on team that struggled last year,
but man, he looked really good in that game. And again,
it's a really small sample sizes we just said about
the Seahawks. But if if he's close to this quarterback
for the season, that changes entirely what we think of
(06:05):
the Steelers.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Well, I would say, okay, so small sample size of
Aaron Rodgers with the Steelers. He has played in two
hundred and forty nine games, twenty one year career sample size.
You know exactly, yes, what Aaron Rodgers is going to bring.
And here's where I think it gets a little bit tricky.
There is nothing that Aaron Rodgers hasn't seen. Like, it
does not matter if it's a new scheme for the Seahawks.
(06:26):
He has seen everything. So what really does come down
to all of those little details that you were talking about.
And it's funny because Mike McDonald called out scout team
this week and said it's going to be on the
scout team to give him a really good look.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
Yeah, guys like Drew Locke out there, I mean, we
always is the thing you talk about with Aaron Rodgers'
whole career is the cadence and the way he It
seems like something every quarterback should do, like, oh, we're
gonna guys jump off side and get free plays. But
for whatever he's in and nobody can really yes, defensive
guy's like hey, and they can't really explain exactly how
he does it. But man, he's good at it. And
that's something I'm sure Drew Locke practicing this week.
Speaker 7 (07:01):
He is.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
I in fact, I talked to Drew Locke about this,
and so here's how they do it. They listen to
the TV copy of games and they put all of
these hard counts together, and all of these calls and
all of these cadences. Now Drew does not try to
replicate every single one. They'll pick a handful, right, They'll
pick five to ten that are most you know, common
(07:21):
or whatever. Then he has to practice not just the cadence,
but the tone and.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
The hard count.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
He practices on his own and then goes into meetings
with part of the defensive staff who grades him on
how well he's doing. And I was saying, but isn't
this difficult because you are the backup also to Sam Darnald,
so you are also trying to match Sam Darnold's cadence
on this, and he said, actually, on the road, it's
a lot easier because we're going to be in silent
(07:48):
count I don't have to worry about anything because if
I end up playing offense, I'm just going to be
tapping my leg and that's going to be fine. But
he said, you know, Aaron Rodgers, part of it is
there is such a large sample size with him, but
the way that he does it, it's numbers and colors.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
It's actually a little.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
Easier to replicate than somebody like Dak Prescott, who's got
this as he said, weird. Here we go before he
goes into his canes. He goes, that one's ridiculous. But
every week we talk about this in terms of just
this week. He's like, yeah, but when I'm when I'm
Jalen Hurts, I'm crouching down and I'm trying to.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Be like Jalen every week.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
These guys backup quarterbacks, fascinating job, need a little bit
more respect and honestly should be like supporting actor of
the Year because they are a different person every week
while also being the back guy.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Yeah, that's that's the keep part.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
You also have to be ready to potentially step in
any minute and play the most position important position in
the game.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Yeah, wild wildlife.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
That was I thought that was fascinating, and Drew was like,
actually kind of like the challenge, like this is fun
for me.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
So that will be one of the things I'm keeping
an eye on because.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
If the Seahawks managed to sniff out some of those
things that Aaron Rodgers is so good at getting people
to fall for, well, we're going to be giving Drew
Luck an awful lot of credit.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Now.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
On the other side of this, Leonard Williams was talking
about what they have to do to make sure that
they're not giving away any clues to Aaron Rodgers, and
I thought this was interesting.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
In their day to day practice, I mean, I think.
Speaker 7 (09:19):
We've had a period in every single practice through OTAs,
through camp, through you know, leading up until now, we've
had like a blitz bluff bandit period, one of Mike's
favorite periods because you know, we we watch on film
after that practice and we we all make guesses in
the defensive room whether we're going to pressure or not.
(09:40):
And that's you know, showing everybody if they're doing a
good enough job of disguising or not.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
I mean, anyone who's watched this defense or watch Mike
McDonald before with Baltimore. A big part of what he
does is these simulated pressures, and what makes it work
so well is opponents don't know. You get a bunch
of guys in on that of scrimmage who's coming in particular play.
And it's interesting to see Mike likes to test his
own defense out with that.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Yeah, and I haven't heard that before. Now it does
not surprise me.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
And then I'm thinking, okay, wait a minute, like how
many plays are possibly in this practice period, right, Like
wouldn't you just remember off the top of your head?
And then I think about how many times I go
back and watch game copy of our game, you know,
like TV copy, and I'm like, oh shoot, I forgot
it was that play on bur and down right, Like
you kind of have a short memory when you're moving
(10:28):
on to the next one.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
So that was kind of interesting.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
And of course this led to a big play for
the Seahawks last season against Aaron Rodgers where you had
Leonard Williams bluffing coverage, dropping into coverage while Spoon comes
on a blitz and Aaron Rodgers threw the ball to
Leonard Williams and well he shut some speed he did.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
That was really fun.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
And then apparently Aaron Rodgers said Merry Christmas, which I'm
sure that you know Leo will take. Here's the other advantage.
Rogers just played the Jets. You know that Leo still
has a whole bunch of friends on the Jets. Quinn Williams,
who had a monster day against the left tackle for
the Steelers.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
Yeah, the Steelers had some you know, as much as
they did offensively, there were some protection issues.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
You a sacked what four times?
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (11:12):
Yes, and so the left tackle, Broderick Jones. I was
diving into some of this, and fans in Pittsburgh are
not happy with the left tackle now. Jones has played
on the offensive line and tackle since they drafted him
in twenty three, but this is the first year that
he is moving over to the left side. In Week one,
he allowed three sacks on his own and then another
four quarterback pressures.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Mike Tomlin has said they are not going to make
a change.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
Here's the thing, though, There's only so much you can
do from week one to week two to get better.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
You kind of are who you are.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
So I am fascinated to see what happens when this defense,
after a week of playing together, Yeah, gets a chance.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
And you know, the defensive line, they're hard on themselves
because they didn't get to the quarterback last week. They
they had one sack as Julian Love blitz. But if
you look at the pressure now, you just look at
the way they were moving Rock pretty out of pocket.
Like those guys played really well. The Marcus Lawrence looked great.
Boy had a bunch of pressures. Derek Hall, the interior guys,
like everybody up front, I thought, played really well. And
(12:12):
that's that's an encouraging start for this defense.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
You know, I look at the three hundred and eighty
four yards at the Seahawks defense gave up. But if
I remember at halftime, it was not anywhere close to that.
Like there were some chunk yards in that third quarter
in particular that really drove those numbers up. But you're right,
in general, it looked like they were in control of
the game. Now, familiar faces continue on the offensive side
(12:36):
with one Dk Metcalf.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yeah, it's gonna be a fun one.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
I mean, I'm sure it's gonna be you know, pregame,
a lot of guys catching up, and then in game,
it's gonna be fascinating to see how the Seahawks match
up with him. What kind of little banter's going on.
I'm sure there's gonna be plenty of talk. We've seen
some great matchups and practice over the years, whether it's
Riek Wallan, Devin Wetherspoon going on, it's DK. It gonna
be excited to see how that does in the game.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Yeah, and there are some questions with health of the
Seahawks secondary coming out of the forty nine Ers. We'll
see how that plays out as we get closer to
game day. And you know, really, just like everything else,
we're trying to figure out how the Steelers want to
use DK.
Speaker 6 (13:16):
Again, it's it's one game, you know, you have one
game of how many players, if play fifty something plays.
The things that he does well are the things that
they're doing with him, which is great. It's runaways, it's
outside lane throws, you know, all the routes that he
runs really well, he's running those routes. I mean, I mean,
it's frankly, it's similar the stuff we were doing with
them last year. Yeah, I mean We've got to be
(13:38):
ready for everything, right, I mean, he's they're allowed to
put him over there anywhere they want, and you can.
He's allowed to run any route that they got called
for him.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
I like that they're allowed to put them wherever they want,
and he's allowed to run an your out because yeah,
again we keep going back to this, but it's such
a small sample size. It's you do have a returning
offensive coordinator, but the system changes a lot when you
have Aaron Rodgers in there, So there's just a lot
of unknown. But yeah, I mean we've seen over the
years do a lot of great things. He's a heck
of a player, So how they use him kind of tbd.
(14:05):
But I'm sure the Seahawks will feel like they at
least have a pretty good understanding of what dk mtcalf
is going to want to do, just because they played
against him so much.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Well, and also just kind of what that Steeler's offense
looks like. So last week DK four catches seven targets
eighty three yards, but much like the Seahawks, that was
not a very balanced offense, as you ended up rushing
for just fifty three yards and then throwing for two
eighteen so I don't know that is their recipe for success.
I know with Rogers, you're going to look for some
(14:34):
deep yards down the field, But I don't know where
the opportunities are necessarily going to be for that offense
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Speaker 4 (15:21):
We touched on the offensive, maybe opportunities for the Seahawks
and where they want to get better. Certainly, number of
explosive plays is something that Mike McDonald talked about this week. John,
I love the fact that he says, you know when
you see it, yeah, Like I just I love that
because you're right, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
But everybody wants to put numbers around it.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
Well, and he didn't bring this up, but I also
find it interesting to say that way because there are
times you could have if you run a draw play
on third and twenty and you get thirteen yards by
the standard, you know, twelve yard run, sixteen yard past.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
That's an exposive play. But are you feeling great about that?
Probably not. So there is that element of like, yeah,
you know, we know when we see it. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
Well I say that because as the Steelers defense, they
had some yards that were left on the field. They're
three hundred and ninety four yards allowed against the Jets.
That was kind of a slug fest that I didn't
really think was going to go back and forth like
that was a very it was exciting.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
It went on in the press box before the Seahawks
kicked off and out.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Yeah. I could only watch up until about halftime, and
then I was styled it.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
I was you know, it's it's tough and you have
to work on a game.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Your football job gets in the way of watching football.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
You know what every Sunday night, I get home and
I'm like, gosh, I wish I could watch all this football.
People are like, what, like it takes me a while
to catch up after a day.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
But anyway, we're off track.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Anyway, we're off track.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
Let's redirect and hear about the Steelers defense.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
After week one.
Speaker 6 (16:47):
Yeah, they're they're an opportunistic group. They play with a
great spirit, they play with physicality, they do you know,
they're they're they're different than us and how they're kind
of built and how they play some of their coverages.
So that's going to be a big point of emphsis
for our offense. And are look team this year to
give a great look or this week excuse me, to
give a great look so our guys have a great
field going into the game.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
Yeah, you know, it's interesting. We I think we just
always think Steelers and we think defense. I mean, historically
that's what they've been. They've had some of the great
all time defenses, great defensive call ers is really aggressive
and there's a lot of talent on that side of
the ball. So it was surprising to see the kind
of numbers of Jets put up no disrechect to the Jets,
but you just don't expect teams to do that on
the Steelers, so it does you know, we'll see. I'm
(17:28):
sure they're looking to bounce back. Just like when we
talk about the Seawks offense is not a finished product.
They feel a way about that defense as well. But yeah,
I think, you know, you look at what the Seas
want to get done this week. I do think there's
gonna be some chances for the Seahawks offense to capitalize
on some things Steelers are doing defensively.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
Plenty of energy though at Acur sort acu Sure Stadium
as it is their home opener.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
I know as they are going to open.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Their season at home, they are coming off a win
over the Jets, and if we are thinking about opportunities
on offense, leads me into the conversation about our fantasy
insider today, which I'm gonna nominate as you you are
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Speaker 2 (18:08):
I am not, and that would be scary for people
if I were.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
However, our real fantasy insider, Scott Engles, unfortunately under the
weather so he could not join us. Scott, we hope
you're feeling better. He did send me some notes because
again you do not want fantasy tips for me. That's
not my game. But here is what Scott wants you
to do. When he talks about some players you should
start at every position. He really likes Jayguires Travis Etn
to have another big week. He's coming off a big
(18:32):
one hundred yard game and thinks he can do it
again against Cincinnati. Scott also likes Cowboys running back Javonte
Williams to find the end zone again after he scored
twice last week. At receiver, Scott thinks Tyreek Hill could
have a bounce back week against the Patriots. It was
tough go for Miami's offense last week, but there's a
lot of talent there, including Tyreek Hill, so he thinks
they will bounce back. Also likes Keon Coleman to find
(18:54):
the end zone for the second straight week when he
plays the Jets. Sticking with the Bills playing the Jets
will go to tight end, where Scott likes Daunte I'm sorry,
I can't speak today, Dalton Kinkaid Bills tight end to
have some good numbers against the Jets. Going to quarterback
in the What's Your Deal Bowl? If you will, Pete
Carroll and Jim Harbaugh facing off again since first time
(19:18):
since what would that have been twenty fourteen?
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Fifteen ish? When did he leave San Francisco? Anyway, I'm
off track.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
Anyway, he really likes Justin Herbert from the Chargers to
have a second straight big game to start his season. Defensively,
you know who? Scott likes the Seahawks. Yes, yes, yes,
he likes what we saw up front. Like I just
talked about earlier, Leonard Williams, Byron Murphy, all those guys
getting work done.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Byron. We didn't even talk about Irony.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
He was really good.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
But so yeah, when we're talking defense, streaming different teams
every week, Scott likes Seahawks, I like it. Yeah, And
if any of those are wrong, be sure to remember
that I told you that. And if they're right, Scott
gets all the credit.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
Well, you're very I know I don't have flipped that one. Yeah,
that's that's great. Uh you mentioned the What's Your Deal Bowl?
Pete Carroll oldest coach to ever coach in the NFL.
His birthday is Sunday. It's Monday. Since September, Yeah, it's Monday, Sunday.
He gets a win and it was twenty fourteen happens. Yeah,
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that's really fun, okay. And also that Sunday night game, Yeah,
Bills that you were talking, I'm starting to think other things.
This is me and my little like shiny object brain.
How but if I reel it in for the two
things that the object I like.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
The shiny object of brain.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
You know, sometimes my brain is firing on all cylinders
and sometimes it's going wow, all these different directions.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
It's like a firework. Would you like to tell me we're.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Gonna need to cut that video? Just would she make
a gift out of that?
Speaker 4 (20:59):
Would you like to tell me, John the two things
you need to see from the Seahawks to get a
win this week?
Speaker 2 (21:03):
I would love to.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
I was gonna go to the Seahawks run game on offense,
and they do need to run the ball. But the
other thing I want to see is like spread the
ball around a little bit more. As good as Jackson
Smith and Jigbo was, he had an awesome game nine catches,
one hundred and twenty forwards. Mike used this turnout for
games like it can't be the Jack Show every week
because if you're that real line on one guy, teams
are going to figure out how to slow it down.
So I want to see Darnold. You know, he did
(21:27):
a great job getting the ball out quickly. The line
did a good job protecting, but let's see him get
a few more guys involved.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
And then other side of the ball.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
We talked about the offensive line the Steelers and some
of the pressures. I want to see the Seahawks defensive
front and turn those pressures they had on Brock pretty
into some sacks.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Let's call it three three plus.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
Oh that's what I was gonna say, Well, well not me,
and go for four. I don't want to get greedy,
although you know it's not my effort. I can just
ask for it and we'll just, you know, hope that
that one happens.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
The other thing I would like to see is a
lot of in complete passes.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
For Aaron Rodgers, they think, you know, he can be
really dangerous on that. I would like to see a
number of incomplete passes and far fewer yards in the
passing game.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
And for the Seahawks just more plays.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
I don't yes, I would like to see the ball distributed,
but you as like fifty ways, right, you have to
get into a flound, get the first down. I would
like to see sixty to sixty five plays in this game.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
Now here's your host, Jen Mueller.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Well, we made it through week one of the regular season.
Speaker 4 (00:15):
We are moving on to week two because John, I'm
really trying to skip past the overreaction that happens everywhere
across the league. It's NFL and it's college football after
just one game and such a small sample size, right,
I mean, look.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
I get it. Fans get frustrated.
Speaker 5 (00:32):
You want to see your team win, and it's all
the more frustrating win you're just this close, you know,
one play on defense or one more play on offense,
and you're feeling a lot different. But yeah, it's such
a long season. You're not a finished product by any means,
especially on offense where you have so much newness. So
it's okay to be mad wish they had won, But
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I don't think it's time to start panicking about what
we saw.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
And what I keep coming back to is, yes, I
did see them run the ball more effectively in the
preseason and certainly in the practices that we saw in
training camp. However, I'm still not sure until I get
two or three weeks in how much of that was
scheme against the forty nine ers, how much of that
is that was a really good front that San Francisco had.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
And oh, by the way, for.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
All the practice that they had, you didn't play your
starters in the preseason, and for good reasons. So it
takes just a little bit to get an entirely new
offensive scheme together.
Speaker 5 (01:28):
Exactly, it's gonna you know, you don't want to come
into a season being like it's gonna take some time.
We gotta grow because you want to hit the ground
running week one. That's obviously the goal. But when you
have this much newness with a quarterback, a coordinator, new
scheme for the guys blocking up front, like, it does
take some time for them to be at their best.
We understand why teams rest their starters. It's a you know,
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a health issue more than anything. But that doesn't mean
they're not getting some of that work in the in
the preseason, so you know, they'll get better. I think
we're gonna see a lot better version of that offense
in that run game starting this week.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
And not a single person said that game was good enough.
Nobody in the locker room after the game, nobody in
press conferences this week has said that's what it's supposed
to look like. In fact, here is what Mike McDonald
said about the run game last week.
Speaker 6 (02:14):
Yeah, there's a handful of runs that didn't go our
way on Sunday, and a handful of runs went our way.
You know that sometimes it goes like that. We wanted
to go more in our favor than not. It's not
for a lack of effort. And we've done a lot
of great things throughout the preseason, which which you saw
in all three games. So let's stick with it. Man.
You know we're doing a lot of great stuff. Let's
just keep getting better.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
The message we heard after the game then and Monday,
then and Wednesday, this is much more about like details,
small things, and the term that he keeps coming back
to that he liked is like the effort and the
way guys played hard in the physicality and again, you
want to win that game, but that stuff's more important.
You can fix the little details. You can tweak things schematically,
you can work on foot work. You can't change a
(02:55):
team's effort. You can't change like how physical guys are
and they did that stuff in that game. I mean
that that was a physical game. They you know, both
teams are hitting hard and like that. To me, again,
the loss sucks, but coming out of it with that
is more important to me than like if you just
felt like, oh, we did everything perfect, but they just
beat us in the trenches.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
They were more physical and that was not the case.
Speaker 7 (03:18):
No.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
In fact, if you kind of look out like the
ripples in a pond sort of a thing, yeah, you
could just look at week one, take a look at
the injuries that the forty nine ers suffered as a
result of that game.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
And we were.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
Talking about this before we started taping, and look, you
don't wish injuries on anybody, that's not what we're saying.
But it is proof of the physicality, right, And you
don't win the game. The Niners do have division opponent
matchups coming up, and you might not have your starting
quarterback and you definitely don't have George Kittle for those.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
Yeah, I mean, again, you don't want to see people
get hurt, but it just does show like the forty
nine ers were this team for a long time and
they still very well. Maybe, but like when you're that
really physical team, like there's repercussions from playing that that
linger that the twenty thirteen Seahawks, there was some crazy
stat I wish I had looked this up, but I
didn't about like teams after playing the Seahawks, like their record,
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I mean they barely are like basically none of their
opponents won the next week because just you come out
of that game hurting, and Leo talked about that off
the game of like they felt us and that's important
to them. Its like, again, they don't want to do
anything dirty, they don't want to hurt guys, but they
want to be physical. It's but Mike McDonald always says
through not around, and that's a big thing for them.
Is like we're going to be to use another of
Mike McDonalds phrase, like a team people don't want to
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play against.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
Yes, well that's what I was just going to style
that you.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Want to play? Yeah, styles teams don't want to.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Play And I think you saw that on both sides
of them, right, which kind of goes.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Back to that.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
So we could talk about the forty nine ers, but
again I don't have a big enough sample size to
know exactly what it is that I'm looking at, and
I don't think we will for at least another couple
of weeks. Now, it will be interesting because you're facing
the Steelers this week, You've got the Saints next week.
I'm not sure how comparable they are in style, but
(05:00):
I do know that there are some familiar faces for
the Steelers and there is plenty to talk about. How
about if we just talk about Aaron Rodgers and what
to expect from the Ageless Wonder.
Speaker 6 (05:14):
Just I mean, obviously the arm talent and the quarterback
ability is there, but the Aaron Rodgers, the operator is
second to none.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
He's just it's on his game.
Speaker 6 (05:24):
He kind of like knows everything. So you have to
assume that going in and not a lot of tricking
going on. So so it's gonna be a like we're
gonna have to win our one on ones to have
a good game on defense. You know, we're gonna have
to play a great run defense. In the past game,
We're gonna have to We're gonna have to win our
one on one battles.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
Yeah, I think there was some question coming out of
his time with the Jets of like, what does Aaron
Rodgers have left is he done? You know, he's up
there in age. He was on team that struggled last year,
but man, he looked really good in that game. And again,
it's a really small sample sizes we just said about
the Seahawks. But if if he's close to this quarterback
for the season, that changes entirely what we think of
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the Steelers.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Well, I would say, okay, so small sample size of
Aaron Rodgers with the Steelers. He has played in two
hundred and forty nine games, twenty one year career sample size.
You know exactly, yes, what Aaron Rodgers is going to bring.
And here's where I think it gets a little bit tricky.
There is nothing that Aaron Rodgers hasn't seen. Like, it
does not matter if it's a new scheme for the Seahawks.
(06:26):
He has seen everything. So what really does come down
to all of those little details that you were talking about.
And it's funny because Mike McDonald called out scout team
this week and said it's going to be on the
scout team to give him a really good look.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
Yeah, guys like Drew Locke out there, I mean, we
always is the thing you talk about with Aaron Rodgers'
whole career is the cadence and the way he It
seems like something every quarterback should do, like, oh, we're
gonna guys jump off side and get free plays. But
for whatever he's in and nobody can really yes, defensive
guy's like hey, and they can't really explain exactly how
he does it. But man, he's good at it. And
that's something I'm sure Drew Locke practicing this week.
Speaker 7 (07:01):
He is.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
I in fact, I talked to Drew Locke about this,
and so here's how they do it. They listen to
the TV copy of games and they put all of
these hard counts together, and all of these calls and
all of these cadences. Now Drew does not try to
replicate every single one. They'll pick a handful, right, They'll
pick five to ten that are most you know, common
(07:21):
or whatever. Then he has to practice not just the cadence,
but the tone and.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
The hard count.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
He practices on his own and then goes into meetings
with part of the defensive staff who grades him on
how well he's doing. And I was saying, but isn't
this difficult because you are the backup also to Sam Darnald,
so you are also trying to match Sam Darnold's cadence
on this, and he said, actually, on the road, it's
a lot easier because we're going to be in silent
(07:48):
count I don't have to worry about anything because if
I end up playing offense, I'm just going to be
tapping my leg and that's going to be fine. But
he said, you know, Aaron Rodgers, part of it is
there is such a large sample size with him, but
the way that he does it, it's numbers and colors.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
It's actually a little.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
Easier to replicate than somebody like Dak Prescott, who's got
this as he said, weird. Here we go before he
goes into his canes. He goes, that one's ridiculous. But
every week we talk about this in terms of just
this week. He's like, yeah, but when I'm when I'm
Jalen Hurts, I'm crouching down and I'm trying to.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Be like Jalen every week.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
These guys backup quarterbacks, fascinating job, need a little bit
more respect and honestly should be like supporting actor of
the Year because they are a different person every week
while also being the back guy.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Yeah, that's that's the keep part.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
You also have to be ready to potentially step in
any minute and play the most position important position in
the game.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Yeah, wild wildlife.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
That was I thought that was fascinating, and Drew was like,
actually kind of like the challenge, like this is fun
for me.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
So that will be one of the things I'm keeping
an eye on because.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
If the Seahawks managed to sniff out some of those
things that Aaron Rodgers is so good at getting people
to fall for, well, we're going to be giving Drew
Luck an awful lot of credit.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Now.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
On the other side of this, Leonard Williams was talking
about what they have to do to make sure that
they're not giving away any clues to Aaron Rodgers, and
I thought this was interesting.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
In their day to day practice, I mean, I think.
Speaker 7 (09:19):
We've had a period in every single practice through OTAs,
through camp, through you know, leading up until now, we've
had like a blitz bluff bandit period, one of Mike's
favorite periods because you know, we we watch on film
after that practice and we we all make guesses in
the defensive room whether we're going to pressure or not.
(09:40):
And that's you know, showing everybody if they're doing a
good enough job of disguising or not.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
I mean, anyone who's watched this defense or watch Mike
McDonald before with Baltimore. A big part of what he
does is these simulated pressures, and what makes it work
so well is opponents don't know. You get a bunch
of guys in on that of scrimmage who's coming in particular play.
And it's interesting to see Mike likes to test his
own defense out with that.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Yeah, and I haven't heard that before. Now it does
not surprise me.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
And then I'm thinking, okay, wait a minute, like how
many plays are possibly in this practice period, right, Like
wouldn't you just remember off the top of your head?
And then I think about how many times I go
back and watch game copy of our game, you know,
like TV copy, and I'm like, oh shoot, I forgot
it was that play on bur and down right, Like
you kind of have a short memory when you're moving
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on to the next one.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
So that was kind of interesting.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
And of course this led to a big play for
the Seahawks last season against Aaron Rodgers where you had
Leonard Williams bluffing coverage, dropping into coverage while Spoon comes
on a blitz and Aaron Rodgers threw the ball to
Leonard Williams and well he shut some speed he did.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
That was really fun.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
And then apparently Aaron Rodgers said Merry Christmas, which I'm
sure that you know Leo will take. Here's the other advantage.
Rogers just played the Jets. You know that Leo still
has a whole bunch of friends on the Jets. Quinn Williams,
who had a monster day against the left tackle for
the Steelers.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
Yeah, the Steelers had some you know, as much as
they did offensively, there were some protection issues.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
You a sacked what four times?
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (11:12):
Yes, and so the left tackle, Broderick Jones. I was
diving into some of this, and fans in Pittsburgh are
not happy with the left tackle now. Jones has played
on the offensive line and tackle since they drafted him
in twenty three, but this is the first year that
he is moving over to the left side. In Week one,
he allowed three sacks on his own and then another
four quarterback pressures.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Mike Tomlin has said they are not going to make
a change.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
Here's the thing, though, There's only so much you can
do from week one to week two to get better.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
You kind of are who you are.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
So I am fascinated to see what happens when this defense,
after a week of playing together, Yeah, gets a chance.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
And you know, the defensive line, they're hard on themselves
because they didn't get to the quarterback last week. They
they had one sack as Julian Love blitz. But if
you look at the pressure now, you just look at
the way they were moving Rock pretty out of pocket.
Like those guys played really well. The Marcus Lawrence looked great.
Boy had a bunch of pressures. Derek Hall, the interior guys,
like everybody up front, I thought, played really well. And
(12:12):
that's that's an encouraging start for this defense.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
You know, I look at the three hundred and eighty
four yards at the Seahawks defense gave up. But if
I remember at halftime, it was not anywhere close to that.
Like there were some chunk yards in that third quarter
in particular that really drove those numbers up. But you're right,
in general, it looked like they were in control of
the game. Now, familiar faces continue on the offensive side
(12:36):
with one Dk Metcalf.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yeah, it's gonna be a fun one.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
I mean, I'm sure it's gonna be you know, pregame,
a lot of guys catching up, and then in game,
it's gonna be fascinating to see how the Seahawks match
up with him. What kind of little banter's going on.
I'm sure there's gonna be plenty of talk. We've seen
some great matchups and practice over the years, whether it's
Riek Wallan, Devin Wetherspoon going on, it's DK. It gonna
be excited to see how that does in the game.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Yeah, and there are some questions with health of the
Seahawks secondary coming out of the forty nine Ers. We'll
see how that plays out as we get closer to
game day. And you know, really, just like everything else,
we're trying to figure out how the Steelers want to
use DK.
Speaker 6 (13:16):
Again, it's it's one game, you know, you have one
game of how many players, if play fifty something plays.
The things that he does well are the things that
they're doing with him, which is great. It's runaways, it's
outside lane throws, you know, all the routes that he
runs really well, he's running those routes. I mean, I mean,
it's frankly, it's similar the stuff we were doing with
them last year. Yeah, I mean We've got to be
(13:38):
ready for everything, right, I mean, he's they're allowed to
put him over there anywhere they want, and you can.
He's allowed to run any route that they got called
for him.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
I like that they're allowed to put them wherever they want,
and he's allowed to run an your out because yeah,
again we keep going back to this, but it's such
a small sample size. It's you do have a returning
offensive coordinator, but the system changes a lot when you
have Aaron Rodgers in there, So there's just a lot
of unknown. But yeah, I mean we've seen over the
years do a lot of great things. He's a heck
of a player, So how they use him kind of tbd.
(14:05):
But I'm sure the Seahawks will feel like they at
least have a pretty good understanding of what dk mtcalf
is going to want to do, just because they played
against him so much.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Well, and also just kind of what that Steeler's offense
looks like. So last week DK four catches seven targets
eighty three yards, but much like the Seahawks, that was
not a very balanced offense, as you ended up rushing
for just fifty three yards and then throwing for two
eighteen so I don't know that is their recipe for success.
I know with Rogers, you're going to look for some
(14:34):
deep yards down the field, But I don't know where
the opportunities are necessarily going to be for that offense
and for the defense. And I guess I don't really
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Speaker 4 (15:21):
We touched on the offensive, maybe opportunities for the Seahawks
and where they want to get better. Certainly, number of
explosive plays is something that Mike McDonald talked about this week. John,
I love the fact that he says, you know when
you see it, yeah, Like I just I love that
because you're right, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
But everybody wants to put numbers around it.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
Well, and he didn't bring this up, but I also
find it interesting to say that way because there are
times you could have if you run a draw play
on third and twenty and you get thirteen yards by
the standard, you know, twelve yard run, sixteen yard past.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
That's an exposive play. But are you feeling great about that?
Probably not. So there is that element of like, yeah,
you know, we know when we see it. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
Well I say that because as the Steelers defense, they
had some yards that were left on the field. They're
three hundred and ninety four yards allowed against the Jets.
That was kind of a slug fest that I didn't
really think was going to go back and forth like
that was a very it was exciting.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
It went on in the press box before the Seahawks
kicked off and out.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Yeah. I could only watch up until about halftime, and
then I was styled it.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
I was you know, it's it's tough and you have
to work on a game.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Your football job gets in the way of watching football.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
You know what every Sunday night, I get home and
I'm like, gosh, I wish I could watch all this football.
People are like, what, like it takes me a while
to catch up after a day.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
But anyway, we're off track.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Anyway, we're off track.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
Let's redirect and hear about the Steelers defense.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
After week one.
Speaker 6 (16:47):
Yeah, they're they're an opportunistic group. They play with a
great spirit, they play with physicality, they do you know,
they're they're they're different than us and how they're kind
of built and how they play some of their coverages.
So that's going to be a big point of emphsis
for our offense. And are look team this year to
give a great look or this week excuse me, to
give a great look so our guys have a great
field going into the game.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
Yeah, you know, it's interesting. We I think we just
always think Steelers and we think defense. I mean, historically
that's what they've been. They've had some of the great
all time defenses, great defensive call ers is really aggressive
and there's a lot of talent on that side of
the ball. So it was surprising to see the kind
of numbers of Jets put up no disrechect to the Jets,
but you just don't expect teams to do that on
the Steelers, so it does you know, we'll see. I'm
(17:28):
sure they're looking to bounce back. Just like when we
talk about the Seawks offense is not a finished product.
They feel a way about that defense as well. But yeah,
I think, you know, you look at what the Seas
want to get done this week. I do think there's
gonna be some chances for the Seahawks offense to capitalize
on some things Steelers are doing defensively.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
Plenty of energy though at Acur sort acu Sure Stadium
as it is their home opener.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
I know as they are going to open.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Their season at home, they are coming off a win
over the Jets, and if we are thinking about opportunities
on offense, leads me into the conversation about our fantasy
insider today, which I'm gonna nominate as you you are
the fantasy insider today.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
I am not, and that would be scary for people
if I were.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
However, our real fantasy insider, Scott Engles, unfortunately under the
weather so he could not join us. Scott, we hope
you're feeling better. He did send me some notes because
again you do not want fantasy tips for me. That's
not my game. But here is what Scott wants you
to do. When he talks about some players you should
start at every position. He really likes Jayguires Travis Etn
to have another big week. He's coming off a big
(18:32):
one hundred yard game and thinks he can do it
again against Cincinnati. Scott also likes Cowboys running back Javonte
Williams to find the end zone again after he scored
twice last week. At receiver, Scott thinks Tyreek Hill could
have a bounce back week against the Patriots. It was
tough go for Miami's offense last week, but there's a
lot of talent there, including Tyreek Hill, so he thinks
they will bounce back. Also likes Keon Coleman to find
(18:54):
the end zone for the second straight week when he
plays the Jets. Sticking with the Bills playing the Jets
will go to tight end, where Scott likes Daunte I'm sorry,
I can't speak today, Dalton Kinkaid Bills tight end to
have some good numbers against the Jets. Going to quarterback
in the What's Your Deal Bowl? If you will, Pete
Carroll and Jim Harbaugh facing off again since first time
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since what would that have been twenty fourteen?
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Fifteen ish? When did he leave San Francisco? Anyway, I'm
off track.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
Anyway, he really likes Justin Herbert from the Chargers to
have a second straight big game to start his season. Defensively,
you know who? Scott likes the Seahawks. Yes, yes, yes,
he likes what we saw up front. Like I just
talked about earlier, Leonard Williams, Byron Murphy, all those guys
getting work done.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Byron. We didn't even talk about Irony.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
He was really good.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
But so yeah, when we're talking defense, streaming different teams
every week, Scott likes Seahawks, I like it. Yeah, And
if any of those are wrong, be sure to remember
that I told you that. And if they're right, Scott
gets all the credit.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
Well, you're very I know I don't have flipped that one. Yeah,
that's that's great. Uh you mentioned the What's Your Deal Bowl?
Pete Carroll oldest coach to ever coach in the NFL.
His birthday is Sunday. It's Monday. Since September, Yeah, it's Monday, Sunday.
He gets a win and it was twenty fourteen happens. Yeah,
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that's really fun, okay. And also that Sunday night game, Yeah,
Bills that you were talking, I'm starting to think other things.
This is me and my little like shiny object brain.
How but if I reel it in for the two
things that the object I like.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
The shiny object of brain.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
You know, sometimes my brain is firing on all cylinders
and sometimes it's going wow, all these different directions.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
It's like a firework. Would you like to tell me we're.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Gonna need to cut that video? Just would she make
a gift out of that?
Speaker 4 (20:59):
Would you like to tell me, John the two things
you need to see from the Seahawks to get a
win this week?
Speaker 2 (21:03):
I would love to.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
I was gonna go to the Seahawks run game on offense,
and they do need to run the ball. But the
other thing I want to see is like spread the
ball around a little bit more. As good as Jackson
Smith and Jigbo was, he had an awesome game nine catches,
one hundred and twenty forwards. Mike used this turnout for
games like it can't be the Jack Show every week
because if you're that real line on one guy, teams
are going to figure out how to slow it down.
So I want to see Darnold. You know, he did
(21:27):
a great job getting the ball out quickly. The line
did a good job protecting, but let's see him get
a few more guys involved.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
And then other side of the ball.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
We talked about the offensive line the Steelers and some
of the pressures. I want to see the Seahawks defensive
front and turn those pressures they had on Brock pretty
into some sacks.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Let's call it three three plus.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
Oh that's what I was gonna say, Well, well not me,
and go for four. I don't want to get greedy,
although you know it's not my effort. I can just
ask for it and we'll just, you know, hope that
that one happens.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
The other thing I would like to see is a
lot of in complete passes.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
For Aaron Rodgers, they think, you know, he can be
really dangerous on that. I would like to see a
number of incomplete passes and far fewer yards in the
passing game.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
And for the Seahawks just more plays.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
I don't yes, I would like to see the ball distributed,
but you as like fifty ways, right, you have to
get into a flound, get the first down. I would
like to see sixty to sixty five plays in this game.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
That's what we've got for you this week.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
We will be back for another edition of Seahawks Insiders
next time.
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