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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to the Seahawks Insiders, getting you ready for
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of the Seahawks. Now here's your host, Jen Mueller.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
We're starting the season with Week one against a division
rival in the San Francisco forty nine ers. But John Boyle,
we are also starting the season with some news on
the offensive line, some really good news I think for
the Seahawks, for their fans, and for a local product
in Abe Lucas.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Exactly.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
The news came out today Abraham Lucas signed a contract extension,
which makes him the first player of a very important
twenty twenty two draft.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Class to get that deal done. I would not be
surprised at all.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
We see more somewhere down the road here, because you know,
a lot of contributors on both sides of the ball
came out of that class. But yeah, I mean, Abe's
a guy unfortunately's dealt with some injuries. But when he's
been healthy, which he has been all this camp, he
is a big piece of that line. He's really one
of those tone setters up front. So getting that done,
keeping him around is a big deal. And you know
when we talk about those injuries.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
I do want to point out it's not that he
was ever behind schedule on any of that. He is
right where he wanted to be. He is thrilled that
he has been here for the entirety of training camp.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
He hasn't missed a thing.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
He has not missed a thing. He looks fantastic. He
is such a nice steadying force for Anthony Bradford on
the right side of that line that just compliments the
left side.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
So well.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
I mean, this is this is a big deal, and
I think John some people are going to say, why
is he the first one of that class to get
a deal done?
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Yeah, I mean I'm sure they've been talking to the
agents of literally five or six different guys, and you
got Riquel and Kobe Bryant, Kenneth Walker, boy Mafe. Charles
Cross is the one who was drafted before a B Lucas. However,
he's also a guy with the fifth year option that
they already picked up, so you know that he's around
through at least next season. So not that they don't
want to get a deal to Charles Cross, but maybe
the urgency is not quite as important there because you
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have that one more year of control thanks to the
fifth year option for the first round picks. But yeah,
I mean these things are always a little tricky, and
you've got guys that you know, there's different factors, whether
the injuries for Abe or different things affecting each negotiation,
so they don't all go at the same pace. But yeah, again,
just getting this done. I think, you know, going back
to Abe specifically, this is a guy that when you
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talk about like reasons to look at this year' seevers
last years team and get excited, they did not have
a for half the season, and then they didn't have
a healthy Abe Lucas. I mean, he'd buy his own emission,
was playing on what he called a flat tire or whatever.
He just wasn't right, but he got it out because
that's the kind of guy he is. So that's a
huge upgrade for this offensive line to have a healthy
version of Lucas this year.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
And the specific knee that was injured is his plant leg, and.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
So is that important players?
Speaker 2 (02:43):
It seems like they could be important and right to
be to be healthy, to be able to move, and
quite honestly, John to have the scheme that they have upfront.
I mean, I know You cannot read too much into
preseason outcomes, but what I can read like them.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
If it's not good, we don't read it means everything.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
But what we can tell from the way the roster
is constructed and from what we saw in preseason, this
team is going to run the ball and they are
going to put a premium on that. Again, it's a
little too early to tell what it is that we've seen,
but here's Mike McDonald's early assessment.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
Well, it's it's hard to judge off of the latest
exposure in Granton City. I felt like that was the
run game that we envisioned. For the most part, Green
Bay felt like we could have ran in a little
bit better in some spots. I think our practices have
been on point sharp, So you know, today's a big
day to kind of get a feel for we're at.
But the guys are confident. I do feel like we
continue to stack and move forward, which is all you
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can ask for at this point in this season.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Those yards referenced from Kansas City. That was two hundred
and sixty eight in that game, and if I'm thinking
back to how that played out, I think they had
a hundred before halftime. I think they were closing in
on one hundred in the first quarter.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
If I remember, if you remember the one drive we
saw the full starting offense mine, so I think ken
Walker was one of the only guys not out there.
But with Sharbonay they went out. I think they ran
like nine times on that drive. You had a nice
efficient four for four from your starting quarterback Sam Donald.
And look, there's gonna be games that Sam Donald has
to throw a lot, that's the way this league is.
But if they can have games where they're running the
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rock and you know, Sam's just being efficient and not
having to throw the ball a toime, that's gonna be
a great formula for this team.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
And I go back to what we heard from John
Schneier last week.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
He was asked about, you know, when you compare last
year to this year, the roster or whatever, what has
you most excited. He said, the offensive line. And to
be clear, they love grades Abel. He's a big upgrade
getting the first round pick a stud there. But it's
less about the personnel than what they've seen out of
this scheme and out of this coaching staff. There's offensive
line coaching is hard to come by, like an elite
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level there's just not enough. Just like there's not enough
great lineman, there's probably not enough great offensive line coaches.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
So when you get.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Guys who are really good at teaching and coaching this up,
I think they see a bit leap for guys just
based on what this coaching staff and this scheme are
doing for him.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
I will say, though, John Schneider did specifically call out
Gray's abel and his willingness to essentially become best friends
with Charles Cross and to go to Charles and say, look,
this is gonna be us. We're going to anchor the
left side. And to watch them. We were at a
team function during the Green Bay trip, and to watch
Gray and Charles just sit and like bs with each
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other for a good forty five minutes. It was kind
of funny. It was a little step brother ish.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
It's great though, it was, Yeah, what you need.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
I mean, we always hear the best line in the
history of this franchise. We always hear about those guys,
the continuity. They were always together, same five guys. Just
you only probably walk around standing in the same position
and everything. But yeah, that at that position, or in particular,
just that connection with guys is so important.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Did you find it interesting what Jaren Reid talked about
this week, the walk and talks getting to know each
other a little bit. I had not heard that one
up until this week.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Yeah, there's been a few things that've kind of trickled
out through players, through Mike McDonald about just different things
this team is doing to really kind of get build
that connection, that bond.
Speaker 6 (06:09):
You know.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
One of things we heard during the offseason is Mike
would have players go up in front team meetings and
talk about their why. We heard Leo talk about that
quite a bit of like just understanding more where guys
are coming from, you know, why they're playing this game,
what motivates them, and that's that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
It matters when you build that connection.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
I was reading an article just this morning actually on
Dan Quinn doing the same thing. Dan Quinn actually made
his entire coaching staff when he got to Washington create
powerpoints that had nothing to do with football. It was
the exact same thing that we're talking about with Mike McDonald,
and he credited that for helping create a culture that
somewhat unexpectedly won last year. The fact that these guys
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were together for the voluntary portion of the off season,
that they spent so much time together during the ots
and all of it. I think you're seeing a really
tight unit. And they can't always put it into words,
but when you hear a veteran like Jaren Reed talk
about it, you know that there's enough football under his
belt to have some perspective that's a little bit different there.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Yeah, I mean Jared's he's seen a lot of football.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
He's been a few different places, have played for multiple
successful head coaches. So it's when it's getting through to
a I'm not saying Jared's the kind of guy who
would do this, but guys have been in the league
that long you can get a little cynical. You can
kind of be like, look, let me just go practice
play football. I don't want to deal with the other stuff.
So when that kind of stuff is getting through to
a guy in Jared's position, I think that's pretty meaningful.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
And when you've got guys who are quote independent thinkers,
as Mike McDonald said about Cooper Cup, that certainly changes
things and the conversations that they can have.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
I mean, credibility, credibility, a great football player. That probably
the unspoken thing is he's been he's been around the
block and he's seen it done at a high levels,
and he has he's an independent thinker, so he's he's
kind of like I just love that mentality of hey, like,
I know we do it like this, but why or
can we tweak it or can make this little better?
I've seen it like this, but it's always coming through
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a lens of respect and trying to do it the
best way. And I think as a coach, if you
have the same mentality, you can come up with some
really great solutions. And I feel like we've done that
several times since he's been here. So he's been an
asset to me. He's been an asset to Clint, he's
been an asset to our offense, and he's been an
asset to.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Our football team.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
Since Jen already referenced the team function the team dinner
in Green Bay. Another interesting thing was seeing, you know,
there's area we're all lined up to get food, and
there's Cooper Cup and Mike McDonald sitting in a booth,
just the two of them just chatting football.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
You know.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
It was just like, hey, we're outside of practice, we're
not doing football right now in theory, but those are
just two guys. Obviously different backgrounds, different sides of the ball.
Ones a player, one's a coach, different in a lot
of ways, but I think there's a lot of similarity
in just the way they see football, in the way
that they are just like constantly thinking about it, how
to you know, how to beat an offense, how to
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be a defense. When you get those guys together, different
sides of all I think that can be really beneficial
really for both the offense and the defense.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Yeah, Cooper Cup with over one hundred career games played now,
he has not played in all seventeen regular season games
since that twenty twenty one season when he was lights
out and best in the world, did all things on offense,
but we have already seen his impact on the wide
receivers and I think, quite honestly, it's about being able
to communicate the system as much as anything else.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
And another guy like we talked about Abe who with
an injury history this time he is important and he's
he's been out there again for everything. I don't think
we've seen him take a day off, and you know,
just to see him available like that, that's a that's
the most port thing. But be with everything he's seen
in this game. It's been interesting talking to Jackson Smith
and Jiguabaz. Like Jackson's kind, He's like, man, I'm lucky
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I came into this league with Hyler Lockett and DK Metcalf.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Learned from those guys.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
As the side of football happens, they leave, and now
he gets Cooper Cup to come in and learn from.
So he's just he's a great player still when he's healthy,
and by all accounts he is right now. But he's
also a great resource to everybody around him.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
Well.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
And then meanwhile, Cooper's talking about how cool it is
to be with JSN because Jaysn can do anything. We'll
do anything. We'll line up anywhere and do everything that
you ask him to do. And he thinks that that's
pretty cool. So there's a mutual admiration club going. And
also Cooper will do anything you ask him to do.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Ye too.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
I mean, those guys aren't afraid to go do the
dirty work, go block, you know, get kind of mixed out.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
I mean you go, I'm seauks fantastic.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Remember this, Like all these games, Cooper Cup, he's in motion,
He's lined up inside almost like a tight end. He's
throwing blocks around, being physical, and that's you love those guys,
especially that position that maybe historically isn't known for doing
that kind of stuff. Now, the Seahawks have had a
lot of icey receivers who are willing to mix it
up in their history, as we all know. But yeah, yeah,
just when you have guys who play that way, it
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can really help an offense.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
So if I'm thinking about that, and I'm thinking about
the forty nine ers, because look, I can do all
the research I want to on the forty nine ers.
We know what these battles have been like, we know
that this is a big game right out of the gates.
At the same time, you have a new defensive coordinator
and for the first time since Boy two seventy team,
I think they actually have an offensive coordinator. Like it's
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it's not Shanahan calling the place, conceivably, So what do
you know to be true about the forty nine ers.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
I mean, first and foremost, every time the Seawks played
the forty nine ers, it's gonna start in the trenches
to me, because that's a team that when the foreign
Niners and recentiers have had the better of this rivalry,
which unfortunately they have until last season when the Saks
got him down there. They've been the better team in
the trenches really on both sides of the ball, and
that's where I think the Seawks have probably grown the
most in the last year or so, so that's where
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you kind of need to equalize it. But I offensively,
I think it's gonna be fun because we're there's a
lot of similar concept I mean, the Kubiak and Shanahan tree,
there's so much overlap there. You know, guys on this
staff that have worked for Mike Shanahan, that have worked
for Gary Kubiak. So it's like, it's pretty cool when
you connect all the dots, and I think, you know,
obviously each guy's gonna have his own take on it.
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Play Kubiak over there, Clint Kubiak here, obviously, Shanahan kind
of running that offense. So it's not going to be
a copy, but a lot of conteps crossover. So it's
going to be kind of fun to see how each
team runs our offense and then how the defenses counter.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
And Seahawks fans should be yelling right now at me,
it's not seventeen. It was twenty one. The first of all,
it's right here on the paper. Also, Shanahan wasn't there
in seventeen, so it is the first time that Kyle
Shanahan will have an oc on his staff since twenty
twenty one. It is, in fact Klay Kubiak. By the way,
their dad, Like, how often do you think their dads
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screwed up their names? I my brother's name also starts
with a J. I never got called the right name
at home.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Some of the three kids whose names are nothing alike,
and I still will like use the wrong name twice,
like I'm over two, and then I get it right.
I will never understand parents who choose to name their
kids the same letter like Clinton Clay. I have uncles John, Jerry,
and Jimmy, Like, why would you do that to yourself?
Speaker 3 (12:52):
You're just making life harder?
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Like I again, my kids no commonality in their names,
and I still screwed up half the time.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Well yeah, after dad, that is wrong, called me my
mom's name and then the dog's name. When you get
called the dog's name.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
The we're just like that happens when you're frustrated, So
then you're like yelling at the wrong kid.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Ruby's over here, going what I do. I'm like, sorry,
not you.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
My bad. That was a side note on the whole
Kooby a coaching tree, which and struggles right John struggles
and how it ties in to the Shanahan offense and
doesn't really matter who's calling the plays. We know that
there is a certain challenge against this scheme.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Well, I think I think that the principles of it
of taking stress off, letting the letting the old line
be aggressive, giving the quarterback answers to you know, quick
answers where you can play decisively is good. You know,
the condensed splits, the motions, that's really evolved over time.
That's really the NFL nowadays. I think the interesting thing
is how these guys have put their blue, their fingerprints,
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their identity on you know, their respective offenses, which is
really cool, you know, and it's probably through a lens
in a function of the people that are on their team.
You know, the personnel. You think about the Ramsey more
of an eleven team, you think you think San Francisco,
you're thinking more twenty one? Are you thinking us? Probably
a little bit more multiple personnels. How they deploy those
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people is really interesting. But yeah, I think those things
are common threads.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
I do like he's snuck in there. We think of
us more multiple as and like, we're not gonna tell
you over dude.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
You don't have tamp on us yet.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
We all know the Rams, we all know the forty
nine ersy, But yeah, I mean it is it's I mean,
this is just like football nerd stuff that I really like.
But it's fun to look at these coaching trees, like, Okay,
it all starts back with like Mike Shanahan, but then
that even goes back to Bill Walsh and just sort
of this like how one offense spreads around the league,
and then you kind of have the homegun try over
here and Andy Reid doing.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
A little different version of West Coast.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
But it is obviously that whole Shanahan McVeigh offense is
proliferated around the league, and yet no one teams doing
exactly the same, And it's just it's always fascinating to
see each team do its little tweak on it. And
it's gonna be fun to see what Clint Kubiak does
with it, because you know, we saw a little glimpse
of it in New Orleans last ye. They got really
banged up and he unfortunately didn't really get to get
into the offense he wanted for a lot of last year,
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but early in the air it looked really good. Now
he's got new personnel, some new players, and I'm excited
to see what Clint does with it.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Yeah, and I'm excited to see how the matchup actually looks.
If you were thinking the same thing when it comes
to setting your fantasy lineup for this week, I mean, look,
nobody really knows what to expect except our fantasy insider
Scott Engel.
Speaker 6 (15:32):
Thanks Jenn and John, and we're back at fantasy football
season for twenty twenty five. Week one. It's what you've
waited for. Let's start a quarterback with some of our
recommended stars, Kyler Murray as the Cardinals dominate against the Saints,
and also Drake May opens his second season, first start
of the new year. I expected them to perform well
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against the Raiders and running back go with David Montgomery
to rush for more than one touchdow down in a
high scoring game against the Packers, who now have Micah Parsons,
but points are still gonna get rolled up. Dylan Sampson
sleeper for Week one, the rookie for the Cleveland Browns
because they're going to try to play ball control against
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the Cincinnati Bengals in the Battle of Ohio. At wide
receiver Jacoby Myers playing against his former team in the
New England Patriots. He is a solid start for Fantasy
football Week one and also Marvin Mims Junior a sleeper
for Week one. Watch his Route three expand this year
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he's gonna play a bigger role as a number two
wide receiver. Also to Mary Douglas to the Patriots. I
think he's gonna lead New England and receptions this year.
Adam not forgetting the Seahawks. Their defense is a free
agent in a lot of leagues. This is going to
be one of the best defenses in football and fantasy
football this year. Great front seven, great secondary, responsible linebackers.
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Byron Murphy breaking out up front to go with Leonard Williams,
the underrated secondary nationally, Devin Witherspoon, Julian Love and rookies
coming on. I think it's gonna be a low scoring
game from the San Francisco side, You'll get some sacks
maybe if you turn over it from the Seahawks defense.
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Check out more from me at rhotoballer dot Com and
the Seahawks Fantasy Insider page under the news tab. Back
to you, Jen and John as we continue to get
ready for Niners Seahawks.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Thank you, Scott. So, if you were thinking about what
to expect, I'm wondering if it's actually a little easier
for the Seahawks defense to go against the Shanahan offense
now after seeing it essentially every day in practice.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Oh for sure.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
I mean we hear about this all the time of like, okay,
if this is a scheme you're practicing, is it It
does give you an invtation. Look, Kyle Shannan is a
great coach and a great play caller. He's gonna have wrinkles. Yeah,
I'm sure Klay Kubix brought some different idea. So it's
not going to just be exactly what they practice against.
But there's enough overlap, especially you know, run game concepts,
blocking schemes, that it will help this defense be that
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much more prepared.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
What about facing a forty nine or defense that has
a new offensive coordinators, both of whom have ties to
the Seahawks. So you've got Sala coming back as the
defensive coordinator, You've got Gus Bradley over there too as
one of those assistant head coach style. But yes, either way,
does it change all that much?
Speaker 3 (18:32):
I mean I don't think so, just yes and no.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
I mean, you can't assume that Slah is going to
do the same exact thing he has in the past.
But there's enough tape on his defenses with the forty
nine ers with the Jets that like they're going to
have at least a.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Pretty good idea conceptually what they're gonna do, I'm sure.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
But yeah, I mean he's a great coach, He's shown
it with a bunch of different teams, and I think
bringing gusts in a really good defensive mind as well,
and they've had some cool piece of that defense, including
their first round pick. So yeah, it's you know, is healthy,
which he wasn't always last year. So there's a lot
to worry about on that defense. But uh, yeah, I mean,
I think you hope that your offense being new gives
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you even though again they conceptually a lot of similar things,
but you hope that Clint Kubiak has some wrinkles to
throw them off, especially in Week one.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
You also hope that home field advantage comes back, Yes,
in a big way. The Seahawks were talking about that
this week, which I had kind of forgotten a little
bit because I'm so into preseason and he's making the
team and then you pull back and you're like, oh, whoa,
like that did feel different last week?
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Well yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
Like in his year on press conference, Mike McDonald's asked
about being seven and one on the road, which is awesome,
and he quickly flipped that to, well, yeah, but we
three six at home and that's a big reason they
missed the playoffs. So that's been a big point of emphasis.
We heard players bring it up kind of unprompted, like
they need to be better at home. They've tweaked some
things with their pregame routine, how they get ready, you
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know what they're doing the whole weekend, really getting ready
for the game. So they're hoping that those things all
add up to more home success. And I know there's
part of this conversation has been the crowds and more
visiting fans and those things you know, are connected. You
want a better home crowd, but also winning helps out
a lot too, So I think players know on the
ticketing side they've taken some steps to try to get
more tickets in the hands of Seahawks fans, but ultimately
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the best care for that and players know this is
going to be to become a dominant team and home again.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
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Speaker 2 (21:05):
We've got just a couple of minutes left here on
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and then I just thought, why two things you need
to see for a Seahawks win. On Sunday, I mean
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Speaker 3 (21:26):
Yeah. I mean, look, we've been talking about this run game.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
What abe Lucas, Let's bring it back to him called
a non negotiable earlier this offseason.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Let's go start off and run the ball.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
I want to see something at least somewhat resembling I
don't think you can do quite what you did in
the preseason. Is Kansas City against a good forty nineers
defenses out there for four quarters, but get that rung
game going.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
You know, I just want to see.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
Them really run the ball well and establish that, and
then I want to see the defense do something splashy
early to get that crowd. We talked about home field advantage,
let's get it, you know, big turnover, big sack on
the first drive, just something one of those big.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
High energy defensive plays.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Let's get you know, maybe the rookie Nicki min Warri
it's an interception or just something exciting to really buire
the crowd up, and I think that can really help
kind of set the tone for this game.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Okay, well, you're going to take the splashy plays. I'm
going to give you the numbers that I want to see.
I need to see at least one hundred and fifty
yard rushing YEP from the Seahawks. And if you think
about what brock Party has done for the last couple
of years, those completions downfield of at least twenty or
more yards one hundred and twenty eight of them last
year that was second most in the NFL. And the
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Niners are also really good at yards after the catch.
In fact, like half of their yards since two thousand
and nine have come after the catch. Now, sometimes that
is just the speed, but there's also leaky yardage there.
So for me, while you focus on the splash play
and that would be awesome, I want you to stop
that receiver at the point of the catch, right, no
leaky yards, limit those yards after catch and just play nice, fundamental, solid.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
Defense and to bring in good facts. I'm just playing
emotional like I just I just want excitement.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
I'm saving that. I'm saving It's week one. I can't
use that Week one, John, there's going to be a
week around Week twelve where I just played at the
emotions period. Go okay, well that's way in the future.
You know what, We're going to be back next week
because we're back in the regular season with more Seahawks
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