October 27, 2025 • 47 mins
Matt and Wes spend the first hour dissecting the Steelers 35-25 loss to Green Bay.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
Good afternoon, Steelers Nation. It's the Drive on the Steelers
Audio Network. Wes Shuler, Matt Williamson with you here on
a Monday as we have to get into it. Packers
thirty five, Steelers twenty five. The Steelers drop their second
straight contest to fall to four and three. And Matt,
what listen was was not a disaster from start to finish. Now,
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certainly was a different story in the second half thousand percent.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
And I'll be frank, I'm gonna say a lot of
bad things about what happened over these next two hours
and probably these next five days, but let's start with
something good. Hey, you know, and what might as well.
I mean, if you told me that was Josh Jacob's statline,
you know, when when the game ended and Micah Parsons
made a play or two, you know, he certainly did.
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Those were probority one and two. You know, I mean,
like you accomplished some things he set out to do.
And I still think the offense overall and the special
teams are strengths of the football team. But I mean
there's many other layers. And again, I you know, the
Steelers were winning this game at halftime, they were winning
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this game at the end of the third quarter. They
were running the football, they were controlling time of possession
in the first half, and then a tightal weight hit.
You know, of just a lot of bad things in
a row, and against a good team, some of them
out of your control. These bad things, yeah, you know,
but that happens every week. I'm not making excuses. They
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overcome them physically or mentally or emotionally, you know, I
mean they crumbled and that they let the title wave
ruin the city. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yeah, It's one of those Mondays where it feels like
there's more traffic. Nobody's letting you merge when.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
You're getting on the hight right right right.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
You know, the barristas at your favorite coffee place are
all honked off and not smiling like they typically are
in the morning.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
Because I think you're right.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
It went from a fun atmosphere, a highly anticipated game,
you're up sixteen to seven, you're up to scores nine
points at halftime, to like you, I mean, you're.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
More than hanging with absolutely, yeah, absolutely, And you know
what we're gonna talk like, Matt, We're gonna spend so
much time today, so much time tomorrow, probably even longer
into the week, talking about this defense.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Yeah, where's the stars.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
It's very frustrating.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
What's going wrong.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
It's very frustrating, and it feels like it's moving in
the opposite Some of the things that even that we
felt like they had been more buttoned up in the
last couple of weeks started going the opposite way again,
like just pour tackling all over the place. At times
it looked like they were trying to play flag football
or two hand touch. Before we get into any of that, You,
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I thought laid this out really well Friday, the kind
of the Friday and the Monday that we were reacting
to that disappointing loss in Cincinnati. Okay, yeah, yeah, where
you were like, it's easy to scream about Jamar Chase
and t Higgins and what was the secondary doing and
what was the defense doing? And that wasn't good enough.
But the biggest sin you said was allowing Chase Brown
to do what he did.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
I wanted to say those exact words again. I'm glad
we're starting to get a little groove going. You and
I like it, But is it for me?
Speaker 2 (03:43):
The biggest sin is continuing to have too many.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Drives end off the golden toe of Chris Boswell.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Oh, I was looking at That's where I was going. No, no, no.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
In the in the twenty first century, here Chris Boswell
was on the short list of most Valuable Steelers.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
I mean, he really is.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
He's an all time great Steels.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
He's an all time great Steeler. He's gonna lead the
franchise in points. He's gonna be in the Hall of.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Honor one day.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
He's been Team MVP before, all these different things. He
is outstanding. He is with Justin Tucker as I think,
the kind of standalone best kickers of their era.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
But it can't be them.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Where would they be without him? Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (04:25):
But where would they be if they didn't need to
rely on him as much as they do? Like we
talked about so much in the start of the season,
how good this team was in the red zone, but
I don't think that has been the case as of late.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
And it's like, I don't even know if I want
to the red zone once yesterday, only once yesterday they
ran zone.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
I think it would be too easy, too broad strokes
to just say they get in the plus, they get
into plus territory, they get into the other team's half,
and they go to conservative Like I think that's two
broad strokes, but they too off in the you know,
kind of lead up to the red the twenty yards
before the red zone end up settling. It's a fort
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forty eight yard Boswell field goal, fifty yard Boswell field goal,
fifty six yard Boswell field goal. And so again those
aren't like they're getting into the red zone and kicking
thirty two yarders. No, right, right, right, But you've got
to find a play. I put this down here, Matt,
where is it right here? Like a lot of these
scoring drives where they had the field goals from bos
seven plays, nine plays, seven plays, like, you have to
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find ways you're already picking up first downs and extending
those drives. You've got to get to the back of
the end zone more often. Because sixteen seven felt good
at halftime, but in hindsight it should have been twenty
to seven. It should have been twenty four to seven.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
I always do halftime notes. I dropped down all the
stats I think are most important for the halftime for
a podcast. I do after the game and I write
like three or four big notes. I'm like, they're in
a good place, but touchdowns would have been nice and hey,
and that might come back to bite you. Yeah, it did.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
And maybe it wouldn't have made a difference in the law,
you know, maybe Green Bay ends up winning it at
the death or something like that.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
But they played different coming out of that.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
If you're right, even twenty to seven, certainly twenty four
to seven, you're turning more of those threes into sevens.
It's a completely different game. And I think we can
say that about this team a lot in the recent history,
the last handful of years, a lot has changed.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Coordinators have changed, lost or has changed, quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Have changed, brench of weaknesses of the team.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Strengths and weaknesses of the team. One thing this song
remains the same Led Zeppelin. They're settling for field goals.
They're settling for threes too often, and it's coming back.
They've gotten away with it plenty in the past, but
it's starting to bite them plenty as well too.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Against good teams, especially against good teams, good quarterbacks, a
good offenses. Yeah, they're going to score against everybody. That's
how the league is now.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Totally.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
So I don't forget I'm much or how I ever
could forget. I thought where you were gonna go with
the with the Bengals stuff was the sin was Chase Brown.
You know, remember how we would just to rewind a minute,
I'm don't go to your bars wall stuff here in
a minute. Well they erased that sin and Jacobs was
a more difficult test than Chase Brown.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
That was gold number one race jump there. They did
a great job in that departy.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
That's was goal number one. They accomplished it on two.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Point five yards per carry. We would all signed in
blood for that before the game exactly.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
But I'm gonna say this all week because it fits
the time of year. You can't give completions away like
their Halloween candy. I mean, that's what it is. I mean, like,
I don't know what you do on offense, what you
do on defense, but I mean, you're not gonna win
games when they complete twenty in a row.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
No you're not.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
I mean, come on, I mean they scored every second
half possession that mattered. You know. That's now the sin
I overlooked. I said, Chase is the best in the league.
Jordan got sixty on you. I can live with that,
can't live with the Chase Brown stuff. Well, now the
tenth best player in the league's getting sixty audio. That's
a problem, you know what I mean? Anyway, So I
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don't envy Tomlin. But as he has said, that's why
I'm all compensated, you know, And that's why he's been
doing this a long time. He's won a lot of
football games in this league. He has to look at
himself in the mirror today and say, Okay, do I
have to coach differently because my defense thinks, you know,
like especially on a down to down basis, Like I've
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looked at TJ and Cam and the Eye, and I
trust those guys to no end, and they've bailed me
out a thousand times and I'm not singling them out.
They've been here a long time and they're awesome, you know.
But this Tomlin, who without question is the most conservative
coach on fourth downs, he will punt more than anyone
out there. Now, conservative doesn't mean bad, contrary to popular belief.
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It doesn't mean you just go forward every fourth down
and see where the chips land. But he has to
now come the realization of if I can't trust this
defense to ever bail me out or ever get off
the field or just gives away completions like Halloween candy.
I can't play for field goals anymore, no, you know.
I mean, we're never gonna win the race in the
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end on the point race. And okay, Aaron, we love you.
You're playing well. But still the offense isn't exactly but
definitely isn't real capable. Nor are most, but this one
less than most. You take a penalty and it's third
and twelve, you take a sack, you have a tackle
for loss. You know, inevitable bad things, but they have
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to stay ahead of the chains. But he might have
to start looking at things like, okay, well I'm gonna
need four downs to do it now instead of three? Sure,
you know, and if.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Paint the barn red when you got red paint.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Right, that's the best thing we are going for us,
is you st the beauty of those type of things
is I hate the tush bush, but they're the best
example is the Eagles. Know if I get to second
and six, or if I get to third and six,
I can run the ball twice, you know what I mean?
Like you just change here, Yeah, four here. The Lions
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are a great example, Like these are the best offense
is in the league, don't get me wrong. And that's
where Tomlin's got to be like, well, my offense isn't
quite as high powered as those, but I might need
four downs to get me those ten yards and I
might have to play call accordingly. All right, third and two.
I can take a shot here because I know I'm
going to run the ball next time. You know what
I mean when crowd in the bottles, well it's huge, right,
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everyone crowds a box against GiB the Montgomery. I'm going
over the top to Jamison Williams, and if I don't
convert it, I'm still going to go for it to midfield,
you know. So I think he's gonna I mean, he's
the only one that can do that. That's not a
coordinaty thing. That's not you know, that's a head coach.
You know. Do I have to now view this team differently?
You know? Him? Like myself, Like everybody looked at this
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defense and thought they can be really good. They got
great players. Well they're not playing good and when they
don't get splashed, they don't win. And now, over the
course of the entire season on a down by down basis,
they're like the worst of the league. I mean just
success rate. You know, they live on splash and they're
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really good at splash, and splash will come again, folks,
you know, don't worry. Yeah, but if I can't stop
anyone and I give completions away, like Candy, I think
you're right that we love your boss, but you can't
beat the team MVP. That's right.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
I mean the way that you said that, I think
back in training camp or whenever is perfectly stated. And again,
I know specifically in this example, and we could go
through again, there's a lot of examples to back this up,
but specifically in last night, it's very easy for me
to do the hindsight thing.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
That's that's the benefit we have.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
I will be completely transparent.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
It's not like when they trotted Chris Boswhill out that
trio of times in the first half. I'm up in
the broadcast booth pounding the desk like, come on, you.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
Gotta go for it.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Yeah, what on earth are you thinking?
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Right?
Speaker 4 (11:46):
But it just it it feels like again.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
At that time, they look like the better team.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
At that time, they looked like the better team. But man,
there is such a large sample size now of thirty
one points not being enough in Cincinnati, twenty five points
not being enough last night, and Matt, you kind of
talked about and you have.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
To really think that with the Colts coming to town,
they score thirty like it's their job, and everyone given
out Halloween and they're resting everybody in the fourth court.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
The trends, and we talk a lot about trends, right,
I mean, things one offs can happen.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
It's it's the National Football League. Weird things happen.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
That doesn't mean you don't steer the boat the same direction,
build a big plan in the offseason, and you make
small alterations. But sometimes you look at me, like, are
playing working? No, it's we can't play man coverage. We
can't stop people from completing passes, you know.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
And some real kind of telling stats in that regard.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Four of the seven games this season, the Steelers have
given up thirty points or more allowed thirty points or
more than four seven games this year, Matt. They've lost
the time of possession battle in six of seven games
this year.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
They have been like dominating at the half.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
This week they have been out snapped in all seven games.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
I know, I know, it's great.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
I mean, it's it's those are trends now.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
These are just yeah, these are basically facts at this point.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
And so I think that that's a very kind of
you know, astute way that you put it is the classic.
When you've got red paint, you paint the barn red.
When you've got yellow paint, you paint the barn yellow.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
I the yellow paint, but you have red paint.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
And that's the that's that's the difficult part.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
You bought yellow paint, you open the thing and it's red.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
Well, it's like a what am I supposed to do now?
Speaker 6 (13:28):
Right?
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Right?
Speaker 2 (13:29):
You got you got you got to adapt. I mean,
you have to do something differently. You absolutely have to.
And it becomes more of a challenge now because guess what,
you're bye weeks in the books. You're not gonna have
time time to do a bunch of self scouting and reflecting.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
And you're losing people with injuries.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
You're long week now, ten day week from Thursday night
football is in the books, right And as you mentioned, yeah, man,
Deshaun Elliott, that is that is one of the last
guys you want to see go down on that defense.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
Yeah, you lose a quality as well too.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
And Seeamalu has a double ripple effect too, and that's
a great chapter we have. Then had to throw it
in the fire. You know.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
That's and I think that that was that was a
kind of that was a handcuffing.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
Them a little bit early on. Oh yeah, yeah, because
we saw.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
I mean they you know, they they threw a pass
to Anderson. Was that on the first was that the
first series of the game or second series of the game.
Early on they threw the pass to Anderson. We knew
we were going to see more of that. Then all
of a sudden that that changes a lot for the offense,
absolutely losing.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Sayamaluh, that's six o line, huge jumbo package. It's kind
of awesome, it is. I mean, that's a real.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
Fine It's tough to game plan against. It's really tough game.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
It's tough, but to play like a four to four
or five.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Three, especially when you know that Darnell Washington can slip
behind you and take that thing for thirty forty yards.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
And remind me. I really want to ask some of
our Beat reporter guests throughout the week, might you promote
some other o linemen to do it if Andrew since
my left guard.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
Is there anyone trust to that level?
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Is there someone you'd put a left guard and make
Anderson the six like you have to abandon the six
to zero line thing. Frankly, I don't know who that
guy is. It's worth putting out there. I wish there
was a third round pick tackle that you're like, well,
we'll try him there.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Yes, correct, correct, It's a lot of questions.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Yeah, Like that's where we're at on this Monday, after
two frustrating losses where I think, in particular, the defense
has looked like it has brutal.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Hey, if you would have you know, if you would
have told.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Us that what was it? Was it twenty six against Cleveland?
Speaker 4 (15:34):
I believe right?
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Was it twenty six to nine or twenty three to nine?
Was the final score against Cleveland?
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Ye?
Speaker 2 (15:39):
But regardless out of that bye week, you were gonna
score twenty three or twenty six against Cleveland. You're gonna
score thirty one against Cincinnati, you were gonna score twenty
five against the Packers.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
We must make fun of the Bengals last year for
having to play this way. It's starting to feel like
the twenty twenty four Bengals.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
Where you got to score at least thirty some points.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Yes, and you still lose half of them. You go
nine to eight or whatever.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
You know, And Matt, you could have you could have
sold me a if we're laying out all the different
possibilities that could happen to this team before Halloween, right
the first seven games of the season, you could have
sold me on this defense isn't as great as we
all were hoping it was gonna be. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's got some older pieces, you get some injuries, whatever.
This defense isn't gonna be a lead. It's not going
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to be a top three, top five hundred in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
We could have been sold that that ship sailed. You know,
we thought this was gonna be a top defense. Okay, fine,
but not to this extent. But you've had a tough
time selling me it's going to be a bottom you
know whatever, even.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
Half of the league, bottom ten, bottom twelve.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Whatever, And it's trending towards one of the worst, all
of a sudden.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
It is.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
And again it's it's one of those things where you
don't need an eye test, you don't like the data
now backs that up and the points that they've seen,
yards that they've surrendered, lack of sacks, lack of splash
over the last couple of weeks. And it's a it's
a big concern. It's a it's a mug, it's a
it's a massive concern. We listen, there is there is
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a lot of opportunity in front of this team.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
Still. We could be singing, we could we could be
coming back. We could be coming with their.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Losses and teams. I mean, there's some math stuff that works.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
We could be coming back from San Diego at what
would it be six and three if the Steelers win
their next two games? Feeling much different? I say, San Diego,
I'm at La Chargers. You know, I was at the
stadium till three am last night on a few hours
of sleep. That'll happen a few more times when we're
coming back from La on a red eye. But right now,
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you I I think there's no there's no running from it,
there's no hiding from it. It might have been easy
on that Friday morning, Like you said, you know what,
sometimes Barry Bonds is just gonna hit some home runs.
Barry Bond is gonna go four for five with a
couple of doubles and a couple of home runs, and
he just he just.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Had a daytz gets six points.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
Man, Yeah, he's gonna strike you out twelve times.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
It's just going to happen, right, But it might have
been you might have been able to say that Friday
after that Cincinnati game again. Now, when it starts to
become a trend, when it starts to become a habit,
when it starts to become a pattern, you can't hide
from it.
Speaker 6 (18:12):
You got to.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Sometimes the only way to get through it, Matt, is
to go through it. Yeah, And I hope they're going
I hope they're going through it this way.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
They have the right people to come out on the
other end better for it. When it all matters. I mean, yes,
this is still a loss. At the end of October.
There's a lot of football left, and you can string
five wins together anything good. The Bears just came off
a winning streak. I mean, like anyone can do it.
But it doesn't look real profitable right now. Last thing
and completion, what is it? The completion percentage for Love
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was obviously extremely high. I mean, he completed twenty in
a row.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
Twenty nine thirty seven.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
But when you there's an advanced number, and I want
to get too nerdy, but they call it adjusted completion percentage.
So if you spike the ball, it doesn't come against you.
If you throw one away on purpose, if a ball
gets bad and at the line of scrimmage, they don't
blame the quarterback for that. And these are NFL dot
Com stats. These are from you know, the league. If
you look at his adjusted completion percentage of this game,
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it's ninety one percent. So the balls he tried to complete,
like you don't try to complete a spike or whatever. Right,
he completed like nine oh ten Halloween candy, dude.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
It's too easy.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Yeah, yeah, you can't just hand them out.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
Jordan loves a good quarterback.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
He's a a good quarterback's it's not Patrick Mahomes, right,
it's not prime Peyton Manning.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Right, right, right. You know Laco was hot too, and
you know right, I mean the passing defense numbers over
the past two games, and they're easy throws. They're all
two point four seconds, get it out, and they're not
man Mahomes is driving the ball on this deep out
and putting in a spot this big, there were open dudes.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
Yeah, and again it's starting one game, it happens.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Everybody has bad to everybody has good days. Everybody has
bad days. They're humans. But Thursday on the road, you know, alright,
starting to become a trend, and an alarming one at that.
We're gonna talk about all these things and more with
our buddy Rob King, the Voice of your Pittsburgh Steelers
when we return.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
We have got plenty to get to today as we continue.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
To react to the Steelers falling for the second straight
week twenty five to thirty five to the Green Bay
Packers on Sunday Night Football. West Ruler Matt Williamson, we'll
talk to Rob King on the other side. It is
the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers Audio Network.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Your tunes about Drive on your twenty four to seven
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Speaker 3 (20:41):
Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Back on the drive here as we roll along, reacting
to Sunday Night Football at disappointing loss for your Pittsburgh Steelers.
Joining us now to discuss it is the voice of
your Pittsburgh Steelers, Rob King. You, of course hear him
every morning in the locker room and on the calls
with Max Stark's and Missy Matthews throughout the season. Kinger frustrating, one, disappointing,
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one wild one there at Akershuer Stadium last night. I
think a whole bunch of different ways to go. Matt
and I got into some of that in the open here,
and we'll kind of continue to dissect this thing as
we roll along. But hasn't even been twenty four hours yet.
It's been like ten hours since that game ended, twelve
hours something like that. I don't know my math is off,
but what's your biggest takeaway as we sit here on
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a Monday afternoon.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
Yeah, you know, it's funny to get I was. I
was on DV this morning too, and you know, and
then on earlier with Matt for the program that's that
we take that's going to run later tonight. The point after,
I'm and Max in the locker room, and I'd forgotten
that the Steelers really played an excellent first half of
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football and actually had a lead going into the fourth quarter,
although the tide was turning against them even when they
had that lead going into the fourth quarter. You know,
you want to try to accentuate some positives I don't
know as that's really possible. I do think that, you know,
the offense did some good things. They were able to
run the football against a top run defense, the second
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best run defense in the league. They had opportunities. But look, man,
this is a league that's about winning, and the Stitis
are now lost to in a row, and they've surrendered
a ton of points, and they just have not looked
defensively anything like we expected the Steelers to look defensively,
or certainly I expected him to look this year. And
you look up now they've played seven games and in
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four of them they've given up thirty or more points.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Yeah, and the wrong team is coming to town in
terms of producing thirty points, by the way, But we'll
get too far ahead of ourselves. Rob that show you
mentioned that we do with Mike Pursuda, Mike and I
thought it a really astute observation that if you had
to look at one point where the tides turned, it
was Love just kind of chucking up a arm punt,
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you know, almost gets sacked. That could have been a
very positive play for the defense. Tucker Craft, who we've
warned people last week, is a fantastic young player. Rips
the ball down is a man among boys, takes it
down the field for a big game and literally insult injury.
Elliott get hurt on that play, and everyone's heads are hanging,
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you know, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 6 (23:48):
I think they're you know, yes, and we thought that
way last night as well calling the game. But I
will say this too, you know, and I know that
are a very good team. They're one of the best
teams in the NFL. Ye have to find a way
to stem the tide. And this Diders did come back
and they marched down and they kicked the field goal,
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but the Packers kept coming and kept coming and kept coming,
and this Diders just they didn't have enough answers, penalties, sacks,
you know, a fumble when you still had one last
gasp to try to win the game or get back
in the game late in the game, to game well,
fumble just you know, you've got to find a way. Injuries, right, well,
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other teams have injuries too, because you know, go back
to the Bengals in Week two, they lose Joe Burrow
and they come from behind to win the game. Joe
Burrow is basically that team. You know, they've invested all
that money in Burrow and yes, of course the receivers
I understand that, but that's what they're built to do.
And then Chase Browning comes in and wins the game.
So no one feels sorry for you that you have injuries.
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And look, I think Deshaun Elliott is a significant injury.
I think the world of them as a player, I
think is importance level to the Steers defense. It's hard
to overstate how important he is. There there are just
you know, siamalu uh not. Not only is he hurt,
but now it takes a jumbo package out of play,
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a quality obviously, a guy that has had a good year.
It is a has been a very good rotational player
for the Steelers. But but you've got to find a
way to stem the tide. You've got to find a
way to fight back. And and you know that's what
happens in heavyweight battles with good teams, and the Steers
just weren't able to find a way after that craft play.
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You know, there have been a couple of things of adversity,
right the off side play that wasn't the off side
play where Aaron Rodgers figured he could take a shot
down field and mystifyingly, no flag was thrown. And it's
not like the Steelers showed no fight. They just didn't
have enough in them to stem the tide through injuries
and through momentum and other things, uh, to come back
and win the game.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
And Rob on that show, this is an unforgiving league.
And I made the joke when we were having that conversation,
it's like goodfellas. I mean, oh, you got hit by lightning.
Pay me, you know, Oh nobody cares, you know, and
and nobody cares, and maybe you overcome those obstacles, see
them all oo, et cetera. You know, against the Browns,
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but you're not against the top tier teams, that's right.
Speaker 6 (26:26):
And and there's the Steelers aren't the only team getting
bad breaks. They aren't the only team getting injuries. And
you know, you understand the fact that those are factors, right,
but you know, factors can't be excuses. And if you're
a fan saying, well, if we got this call or
that call, or well, that's just not the way it works.
You've just got to find a way. And the Steelers,
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you know, in the last two weeks, just didn't find
a way. Last week, they had an opportunity early on
to extend the lead against Cincinnati, uh didn't do it.
This week, they had opportunities even with the halftime lead,
to extend the lead against Green Bay have a bigger
halftime lead, and they didn't do it. Okay, that's one
factor for sure, and those aren't small factors. But then
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you've also got to find a way to come back
and come up with a defensive stop. Last week, the
Steaders that you know, as much as they they felt
like they maybe really could have handled the Bengals and
blown them out early. They didn't, but they still had
a chance to steal the win late. I would have
felt like, hey, you walk out of Paid Court Stadium
with a win. You stole one. You needed to stop
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defensively at the end of the game. You didn't get it.
So complimentary football, turnover battles, lack of fat splash plays,
lack of finding a way to stem the tide, all
these things have been part of what have causes to
this to lose the last two games.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Yeah, Kinger, and you know that's he touched on something
there that I think is important, and it's you know
a lot of people are going to be screaming and hooting,
hollering and yelling about the defense today.
Speaker 6 (27:58):
And I get it.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
I'm not saying those people are that's where the money's spent.
That's where most of the the all pros and the
stars of this offense are. And that's just a Pittsburgh
Steelers thing. It's our birthright to have a good defense
in this town and has been since the seventies, right,
But they have gotten away for years now with settling
for threes off the Golden toe of Chris Boswell. And
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Matt says this best. He's said it a few times
since training camp. It's great that Chris Boswell is reliable
and as amazing as he is, thank God, thank goodness.
But I don't want him to be team MVP, you know,
like they have so many times throughout the years, gotten
away with winning games off of good defense in the
Golden toe against Chris Boswell. They won the season opener
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in Atlanta a couple of years ago. Eighteen points from
Boswell was enough to get it done.
Speaker 6 (28:45):
You know.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
I think that that game in Denver last year, they
scored one touchdown, but then it was Boswell the rest
of the way. Heck, guys, they won a playoff game
in Kansas City one year, just off of Chris Boswell's
toe without scoring a touchdown. But you kind of touched
on it there.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
King.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
It's sixteen to seven at the half, and yeah, you're
feeling good at that point. You're up more than one possession.
But it should have been twenty to seven. It should
have been twenty four to seven. And I realized these
aren't twenty seven yard field goals that Chris Boswell was hitting.
They were from forty eight. They were from fifty they
were from fifty six. When you get into plus territory,
when you get close to the red zone or into
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the red zone, they have got to find ways to
turn threes into sevens more often. They've gotten away with
it for so many years. But I just don't think
they can anymore.
Speaker 6 (29:32):
Well, I think, yeah, I you know, there's the what
did John F. Kennedy say, Ask not what your country
can do for you, ask what you could do for
your country. Well, for years it's been you know, the
only thing you have to ask for is your defense. Right.
So it's a close game and you've got, you know,
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maybe some quarterback play that is up to snuff, or
you don't think it's up to snuff post Ben Roethlisberger.
Maybe you could even say post bend surgery. I don't know.
I don't know how you want to parse it up.
But the comfort level was Mike Tomlin, who remember early on,
was an aggressive coach, like he had he had Ben,
and he had a B and he had lebon bell
and he was going for two and and and being aggressive.
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And you know, he's had faith in this defense, and
it's a highly paid defense, and he had faith in
the in the defense coming into the season. He probably
still has faith in the defense. Right that that is
by definition what faith is believing in something that you
that you haven't seen, right, And so you know, maybe
maybe that isn't anymore. Maybe maybe it's not asked your
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defense can do for you, but what you can do
for your defense. Maybe maybe they do need to be
more aggressive in going for things. Maybe it isn't punted
away and let our defense hang on to this win.
And I don't know, I don't I don't know what
the answer is. I do know that the answer is
not what we've seen the last two games. You know,
the offense has been good, but there's been moments the
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defense is not really good, and there's been moments where
they could have maybe been helped out by the offense.
I don't know. I don't know, and I'm sure they're searching.
Francis right now, what do we do to get back
in the win column because the schedule is not going
to get any easier. You're still in first place. One
victory and we're singing a different tune. One win over
the Colts, and we're singing a different tune. But you
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got to find a way to beat the Colts, and
you got to find a way to play better football
in order to beat the Colts.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Gonna be an interesting six or so days here leading
up to that one o'clock kickoff at akershar Stadium next
weekend against Indianapolis. The voice of your Pittsburgh Steelers kind
enough to lend us some time here on a Monday,
King or thank you, and we'll talk.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
To you soon.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
You got it, guys, Thanks There he is there, he goes.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Some good stuff from him, Matt, want to talk about
some of that when we return on the other side.
Just more kind of downloading all of our thoughts from
last night's thirty five to twenty five defeat to the
green Bay Packers. We'll do that to close down the
first hour of the show. When we return, it is
the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers Audio Network,
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your tunes.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
About Drive on your twenty four to seven home of
the Black and Goal. Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Back on the Drive here on a Monday, as we
roll along and recap the Steelers frustrating loss to the
Green Bay Packers at home on Sunday Night football.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
It was a big one man. That place was jumping,
that place was juiced.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Matt.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
I typically get there about four and a half hours
before kickoff, which, as you can imagine, for one o'clock games,
you know, I'm getting there at eight thirty in the morning.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
I'm sure things are pretty quiet.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
Things are pretty calm. Yeah, thirty games.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
I'm getting there at you know, eleven thirty noonish, a
little bit more than a one o'clock game, but it's
still You've got the diehards who have been there and
set up.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Yeah yeah, yeah, but they were Tailgators are going.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
The second wave hasn't haven't haven't called in yet.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Part lots aren't full to the burhm at that point.
Speaker 4 (33:18):
Yesterday, I got down there at three o'clock.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
It was backed up everywhere already, tailgates going crazy, cars everywhere,
Sidewalks were aligned.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
With with with people.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
I mean, this was this was a game that had
a lot of eyeballs, a lot of attention, a lot
of storylines, and man, when you win games like that,
it's a ton of fun.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
Yeah, kind of like the Steelers in Dublin. You lose
games like that, it, man.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
It stinks even more, I think, and kind of the
forty eight hours ish aftermath.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Yeah, I'll get this out of my system. But a
little more green in the stands that I would have
liked waiting for how.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
Long that was gonna come.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
I wasn't there.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
I didn't know if Rob King was gonna say something
about that. Yeah, I'm I'm man, I'm with you on that.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
I made up.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
I saw a bunch of green outside of the stadium,
And that's one thing because sometimes you're like, hey, maybe
they just came to town, you know, like, but yeah,
it was it was up there with I mean, I
remember the home opener against San Francisco a few years ago.
There was a lot of red in that stadium and
there's a lot of Niners fans in Youngstown, Ohio, in
Northeast Ohio, the Bartolow family connection for those who aren't
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familiar with that, but this might have been to another level.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
And Hey, people that have season tickets.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
And it's a night game and people leave in the
fourth work, you're allowed to do.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
You're allowed to do what you want with your tickets.
It's the weather's a little chili, it's a late game.
But I would also say that's part of having tickets, is,
you know, is supporting the responsibility and in those in
those in those uh, in those moments, I say, as
a guy who drove down to Morgantown to watch a
two and five team and the cold as well.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
Yeah, and so that we're not We're not the Falcons,
We're not the pay Anthers Chargers.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
That was a little frustrating. I realized for a lot
of Packers fans, this was like a get to say
goodbye to Aaron Rodgers, our hero type game.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Yeah, yeah, you know, if you can see why they'd
be super anxious to come spend the weekend in Pittsburgh.
It's like a Southern getaway from them too.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
If Ben would have played Beach, if Ben would have
played his last season in the league. For the Detroit
Lions and the Steelers played there, there'd be a bazillion
Steelers fans, so I I I get it from that perspective.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
Yeah, part of its respect for the Packers fans totally.
Speaker 6 (35:33):
I said.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Just again, like I said they, I'm sure a lot
of Green Bay fans were like so, probably my last
chance to see Aaron Rodgers playing against my team, you know,
the guy that I loved for eighteen years.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
I'm going to pay whatever it takes for tickets. Pittsburgh's
a cool town.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Let's go.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
Yeah, exactly right.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Good great place to spend a fall weekend in October,
you know. Uh, but yeah, that was that was something
that uh.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
It was a little uncomfortable.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
Didn't love to see it.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
I don't want I don't want to I don't want
to die anybody out here, all right, but but but
didn't love to see it. Uh, Matt, I tell you what,
credit where credit is due in certain instances as well.
Some of it is frustrating and poor performance on the
Steelers end. Other part of it is is as you
and I like to do too. I think we're pretty
good at this. The other teams have millionaires and all pros.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
And it's a crime if you don't mention yes, the
other team, you know, come.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
On, especially in this league, even the pushover the Jets
went and won a game on Sunday.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Everybody's good.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Everybody's good. The Packers certainly have good players. And man,
you called it with Tucker Craft. You've been to be fair.
It wasn't just that this this, uh, this past week
that you called it. You've been singing his praises since
training camp and we do positional rankings and fantasy football
conversation and all that stuff.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
It was National tight Ends Day yesterday. He was the best.
He was the best tight end in the NFL. Uh
Week nine or whatever it was.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
Was so and people know I do a lot of fantasy,
and I'm a bunch of fantasy leagues, et cetera, et cetera,
And I didn't want to pay up for the Bowers
of the world, et cetera. So the two tight ends
that I invested heavily in and told people to are
Craft and the guy coming to town this week, Warren
oh No, who's also fire, and we'll get into him
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and down the road, of course. But Craft is really
really impressive, and I just wanted to pull us up.
He had one hundred and thirty one yards after the catch.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
And that was something you talked about. Yeah, this guy's
a madman after the catch, and that's.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
No fluke at all. He is fast, he is aggressive,
he accelerates, he is hard to bring down. He does
not enjoy being tackled, and he'd let you know it.
That's the third most of any position or no, it's
our best out of tight ends since the next gen era,
which is twenty sixteen. I mean it's huge and two
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point eight yards yard per route run in that game,
every time he ran a route he basically got three yards.
Who's really good for a wide receiver? Two point eight
for a tight end? Whoa? But you don't lean numbers
to say how good he.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Was, And no, that's one of those just the eye
tests and showed.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
It didn't listen to us or is new the show
or whatever and is like, hmmm, who's this craft guy?
He seems all right? Well you know now, yep, yeah
you do.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
And I'm sure a lot of people as they listen
to this, maybe even some of you will jump into
our Twitter mensions screaming about that missed OPI on that
one long game that he had. Yeah, I certainly think
it could have been called passing a fair offensiveassing inter
Fairce agreed without a doubt.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
This was not the greatest officiated game, and it hurt
the Steelers more than the Packers. But that's not why
they lost. Just getting that off my chest.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
I agree, Yeah, they missed a terrible and again this
is one of those all these things are easy to
say in hindsight, but this plays along with me to
the settling for threes too often in the first half conversation. Yeah,
first possession of the second half, that missed false start
where Michael Michael Parsons. They two guys off sides, not
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Michael Parsons, but whoever the other one was.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
I'm john a.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
Blank right now, don't remember either.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
He's on Zach Fraser's shoulder when he snaps the ball, right,
I mean like it's not even close. Like he's on
Zach's shoulder when he snaps that ball. What if that
that would have given you a first down, You'd be
close to midfield. It's sixteen to seven at that point.
You know what if you even if you just add
another field goal, it becomes nineteen to say, like you
pick up one more first down or two and you
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add another field goal.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
This isn't wind about the ref time because and exactly
something I do very often on Monday.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
It's not something I ever like to do either, because
it just feels like sour grapes. And I think ninety
nine point nine percent of the time, it's not the
reason you lost or won.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
And the Steelers were not the better team last night.
They didn't deserve to win. This isn't big, but those
two plays to me are important to at least note
because mentioned before and I stole it from my PURSUITO
that I think that craft arm punt Elliott gets injured.
What was the biggest play the game and a major
turning point. And if a flag comes out and it
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goes backwards, let's just see where the chips fall.
Speaker 4 (40:08):
You still Elliott? But right, I mean at least he
was on a player to later.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
Yeah, and that wasn't a great play by Love. I
mean eighteen of his twenty completions were boom, boom, boom.
He two great quarterbacking, but that one was. I'm in
huge trouble here. I'm just gonna chuck it up and
hopes my my guy makes a play. He did because
his guy's really good.
Speaker 6 (40:24):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
But the other thing about the off side thing though,
which was why I think Rogers is losing his mind
about it, because he knew he was right. Like this
guy's in the backfield when there That's the thing. There's
no way he even attempts that pass. He thought he
had a free play. Thought he had a free play, right,
So I'm gonna drive it in the tightest window I
possibly can't. No one's done it better in the years
than that guy, you know. Like, so there was two
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prong like I would not have done what I did,
and you missed the call.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
You know, that was a that was a kind of
momentum zapping type type moment, as was the the Tucker
uh the Tucker Craft non call.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
Yeah yeah, yeah as well too.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
But one non call doesn't make up for seven receptions
one hundred and forty three yards, two touchdowns. He's pretty
awesome average of twenty point four yards per reception, and
that was just you know, Christian Watson four for eighty
five boost to bring him back to the average of
twenty one point three.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
You're real happy with your weapons right now?
Speaker 2 (41:24):
If you're the Packers, Romeo Dobbs fourteen point seven average.
You're right, yeah, but I don't think anyone was singing
that tune coming into the game. You and plenty of
people were talking about Tucker Craft, but no one was
really talking about Watson or Dobbs like that, Like these
guys are fine NFL wid you made it, you made
it way wait, he made it.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
Way easy, no doubt. I mean, so this is kind
of fantasy thing, but I mean, for a couple of
years now, who's the number one in Green Bay? We
need somebody to be a number one? Who's the difference maker? Well,
the number one is a tight end, yes, and they
know it now and the whole world knows it now,
and this doesn't matter anymore. But I think Jayden Reid
is supposed to come back next week. You got Watson
this week. Dobbs really stepped up while those guys were gone,
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and isn't the one, but he was better than he
has been his career. So he leveled up a little
bit and he got a first round picking golden sitting there.
So it's like, yeah, you're feeling pretty good if you're
the Packers right now in the passing game. You know,
I'm not saying they're gonna and that just isn't Steeler
related by no means might like, oh, they'll do this
every week to every team they played. No they won't,
you know, because they made it too easy. Yes, yes
they did, and don't make it too easy against really
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good teams.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
And I tell you what, They've got a really good
team coming to town here again in six days, so
they better.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
Might be the best offense in the league.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
Which I'm laughing because it sounds funny to say out loud,
right that an offense led by Daniel Jones with going
into this season. Matt, if you would have asked the
average football fan across the league, maybe you take the
Colts division out of it, because those guys see them
more often. But yeah, okay, go ahead and name me
as many Colts on the offensive side of the football
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as you can. Jonathan Taylor, right right, maybe Quentin Nelson. Yeah,
you would have gotten an average of probably one point
five names started to drive from the casual football fan.
Speaker 3 (43:05):
They're not gonna tell you about Josh Downs and yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Correct, yeah, but that's I tell you what. It's gonna
be a captain obvious here. I'm really really digging in.
It's gonna be a tough meeting today for the Pittsburgh Steelers,
in a tough film session, particularly for the guys on
that defense.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
Hang in with me for one section.
Speaker 4 (43:25):
You better figure it out here quick.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
We don't preview games on Mondays. We do not, but
Monday morning, as I started, we got.
Speaker 4 (43:32):
Ten more hours of radio before, right exactly.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
But Monday mornings, I start really digging into the opponent,
much like the coaching staffs do around the league. And
I got about a ten sentence paragraph here on Jonathan
Taylor that you're okay with me reading it? Sure, because
it's gonna make me feel bad, really really terrible. It's
gonna make you feel Freddy Krueger Halloween Nightmares. I'm really
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going with the Halloween theme today, Jaila.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
Kramer and Seinfeld. Here's the feeling good all the time? Yeah,
you've got me, like, here's the feeling bad all the time.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
Oh, it's Halloween week. You know people like scary movies.
I mean, this is Michael Meyers stuff here, and he's
coming to town.
Speaker 4 (44:12):
Dude, here we go, Chainsaw Massacre.
Speaker 3 (44:15):
I'm just gonna read for a minute. And everyone's gonna go,
oh no, and you're gonna feel terrible for a while.
So such his life. So Jonathan Taylor rushed for one
hundred and fifty three yards and three total touchdowns on
just twelve carries last week. Oh no, that's pretty good.
He recorded a career high eight point four yards after
first contact. Oh no, pretty good. That was his fourth
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one hundred yard rushing day of the season, to go
along with fourteen total touchdowns. What yeah, wait for real,
that's where he's at right now.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
I've got him on one of my big money fantasy
teams and I didn't even realize it's fourteen.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
Over his past three games, he's rushed for three hundred
and seventy yards and is averaging seven point six yards
per carry. Oh no, pretty good. He's the fifth player
since the year two two thousand with at least three
scrimmage touchdowns in four games of a season, and we're
not even halfway through the year. And this is the
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sixth player in NFL history with at least seventy scrimmage
touchdowns in his first seventy five games. I mean, we're
talking like Jim Brown, Eric Dickerson stuff. He has four
to three touchdown games this season four The rest of
the league has eight combined.
Speaker 4 (45:30):
That's unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (45:31):
Yeah, he scored ten touchdowns over his past four games.
Speaker 4 (45:35):
Why is he not an MVP conversation, He's Offensive Player
of the Year.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
That's kind of where I'm going with this.
Speaker 4 (45:40):
It's a quarterback board, that's the answer.
Speaker 3 (45:42):
And a couple more things here. He has five more
touchdowns than anyone else in the NFL right now.
Speaker 6 (45:48):
Five.
Speaker 3 (45:49):
Lord, He's responsible for four percent of all the rushing
yardage in the entire league by running backs. Thirty one
percent of his touches are resulting in first downs or touchdowns,
best in the league. He's also hit twenty miles per
hour on six occasions this league this year, most in
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the league. He's having one of the best running years.
And he's not a bad receiver in NFL history. Oh no, yeah,
so now, Doc Jacobs, that's a good news.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
You know my favorite United States Olympian ever, Paulo. Oh no,
do you remember him? He was a figure Skins the
name actually twenty years ago.
Speaker 3 (46:30):
Yeah, oh no, oh no. It's scary Halloween week and
you better get it right. Michael Myers is coming to
down you.
Speaker 4 (46:37):
You better get it right because the Colts are coming
and they're carrying a chainsaw.
Speaker 6 (46:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
Hour in the books, another hour to go. I got
a couple you know what I've got. I've got a
question for you to start our number two, Matt, Okay,
well we'll get into that. We've gotten about half a
million tweets as well too. Maybe we'll okay, maybe we'll
pick into some of those. We also do need to
do an around the league segment an hour number two.
Tolowouts a lot of a lot of things happening in
the NFL. Say, yeah, that would have been nice. Although hey,
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the Bengals. The Bengals did drop one as well too,
which which doesn't doesn't hurt the Steelers at all.
Speaker 4 (47:10):
We'll get into all that more.
Speaker 6 (47:11):
No.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
Good afternoon, Steelers Nation. It's the Drive on the Steelers
Audio Network. Wes Shuler, Matt Williamson with you here on
a Monday as we have to get into it. Packers
thirty five, Steelers twenty five. The Steelers drop their second
straight contest to fall to four and three. And Matt,
what listen was was not a disaster from start to finish. Now,
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certainly was a different story in the second half thousand percent.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
And I'll be frank, I'm gonna say a lot of
bad things about what happened over these next two hours
and probably these next five days, but let's start with
something good. Hey, you know, and what might as well.
I mean, if you told me that was Josh Jacob's statline,
you know, when when the game ended and Micah Parsons
made a play or two, you know, he certainly did.
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Those were probority one and two. You know, I mean,
like you accomplished some things he set out to do.
And I still think the offense overall and the special
teams are strengths of the football team. But I mean
there's many other layers. And again, I you know, the
Steelers were winning this game at halftime, they were winning
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this game at the end of the third quarter. They
were running the football, they were controlling time of possession
in the first half, and then a tightal weight hit.
You know, of just a lot of bad things in
a row, and against a good team, some of them
out of your control. These bad things, yeah, you know,
but that happens every week. I'm not making excuses. They
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overcome them physically or mentally or emotionally, you know, I
mean they crumbled and that they let the title wave
ruin the city. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yeah, It's one of those Mondays where it feels like
there's more traffic. Nobody's letting you merge when.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
You're getting on the hight right right right.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
You know, the barristas at your favorite coffee place are
all honked off and not smiling like they typically are
in the morning.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
Because I think you're right.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
It went from a fun atmosphere, a highly anticipated game,
you're up sixteen to seven, you're up to scores nine
points at halftime, to like you, I mean, you're.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
More than hanging with absolutely, yeah, absolutely, And you know
what we're gonna talk like, Matt, We're gonna spend so
much time today, so much time tomorrow, probably even longer
into the week, talking about this defense.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Yeah, where's the stars.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
It's very frustrating.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
What's going wrong.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
It's very frustrating, and it feels like it's moving in
the opposite Some of the things that even that we
felt like they had been more buttoned up in the
last couple of weeks started going the opposite way again,
like just pour tackling all over the place. At times
it looked like they were trying to play flag football
or two hand touch. Before we get into any of that, You,
(03:16):
I thought laid this out really well Friday, the kind
of the Friday and the Monday that we were reacting
to that disappointing loss in Cincinnati. Okay, yeah, yeah, where
you were like, it's easy to scream about Jamar Chase
and t Higgins and what was the secondary doing and
what was the defense doing? And that wasn't good enough.
But the biggest sin you said was allowing Chase Brown
to do what he did.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
I wanted to say those exact words again. I'm glad
we're starting to get a little groove going. You and
I like it, But is it for me?
Speaker 2 (03:43):
The biggest sin is continuing to have too many.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Drives end off the golden toe of Chris Boswell.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Oh, I was looking at That's where I was going. No, no, no.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
In the in the twenty first century, here Chris Boswell
was on the short list of most Valuable Steelers.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
I mean, he really is.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
He's an all time great Steels.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
He's an all time great Steeler. He's gonna lead the
franchise in points. He's gonna be in the Hall of.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Honor one day.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
He's been Team MVP before, all these different things. He
is outstanding. He is with Justin Tucker as I think,
the kind of standalone best kickers of their era.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
But it can't be them.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Where would they be without him? Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (04:25):
But where would they be if they didn't need to
rely on him as much as they do? Like we
talked about so much in the start of the season,
how good this team was in the red zone, but
I don't think that has been the case as of late.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
And it's like, I don't even know if I want
to the red zone once yesterday, only once yesterday they
ran zone.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
I think it would be too easy, too broad strokes
to just say they get in the plus, they get
into plus territory, they get into the other team's half,
and they go to conservative Like I think that's two
broad strokes, but they too off in the you know,
kind of lead up to the red the twenty yards
before the red zone end up settling. It's a fort
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forty eight yard Boswell field goal, fifty yard Boswell field goal,
fifty six yard Boswell field goal. And so again those
aren't like they're getting into the red zone and kicking
thirty two yarders. No, right, right, right, But you've got
to find a play. I put this down here, Matt,
where is it right here? Like a lot of these
scoring drives where they had the field goals from bos
seven plays, nine plays, seven plays, like, you have to
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find ways you're already picking up first downs and extending
those drives. You've got to get to the back of
the end zone more often. Because sixteen seven felt good
at halftime, but in hindsight it should have been twenty
to seven. It should have been twenty four to seven.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
I always do halftime notes. I dropped down all the
stats I think are most important for the halftime for
a podcast. I do after the game and I write
like three or four big notes. I'm like, they're in
a good place, but touchdowns would have been nice and hey,
and that might come back to bite you. Yeah, it did.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
And maybe it wouldn't have made a difference in the law,
you know, maybe Green Bay ends up winning it at
the death or something like that.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
But they played different coming out of that.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
If you're right, even twenty to seven, certainly twenty four
to seven, you're turning more of those threes into sevens.
It's a completely different game. And I think we can
say that about this team a lot in the recent history,
the last handful of years, a lot has changed.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Coordinators have changed, lost or has changed, quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Have changed, brench of weaknesses of the team.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Strengths and weaknesses of the team. One thing this song
remains the same Led Zeppelin. They're settling for field goals.
They're settling for threes too often, and it's coming back.
They've gotten away with it plenty in the past, but
it's starting to bite them plenty as well too.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Against good teams, especially against good teams, good quarterbacks, a
good offenses. Yeah, they're going to score against everybody. That's
how the league is now.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Totally.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
So I don't forget I'm much or how I ever
could forget. I thought where you were gonna go with
the with the Bengals stuff was the sin was Chase Brown.
You know, remember how we would just to rewind a minute,
I'm don't go to your bars wall stuff here in
a minute. Well they erased that sin and Jacobs was
a more difficult test than Chase Brown.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
That was gold number one race jump there. They did
a great job in that departy.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
That's was goal number one. They accomplished it on two.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Point five yards per carry. We would all signed in
blood for that before the game exactly.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
But I'm gonna say this all week because it fits
the time of year. You can't give completions away like
their Halloween candy. I mean, that's what it is. I mean, like,
I don't know what you do on offense, what you
do on defense, but I mean, you're not gonna win
games when they complete twenty in a row.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
No you're not.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
I mean, come on, I mean they scored every second
half possession that mattered. You know. That's now the sin
I overlooked. I said, Chase is the best in the league.
Jordan got sixty on you. I can live with that,
can't live with the Chase Brown stuff. Well, now the
tenth best player in the league's getting sixty audio. That's
a problem, you know what I mean? Anyway, So I
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don't envy Tomlin. But as he has said, that's why
I'm all compensated, you know, And that's why he's been
doing this a long time. He's won a lot of
football games in this league. He has to look at
himself in the mirror today and say, Okay, do I
have to coach differently because my defense thinks, you know,
like especially on a down to down basis, Like I've
(08:18):
looked at TJ and Cam and the Eye, and I
trust those guys to no end, and they've bailed me
out a thousand times and I'm not singling them out.
They've been here a long time and they're awesome, you know.
But this Tomlin, who without question is the most conservative
coach on fourth downs, he will punt more than anyone
out there. Now, conservative doesn't mean bad, contrary to popular belief.
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It doesn't mean you just go forward every fourth down
and see where the chips land. But he has to
now come the realization of if I can't trust this
defense to ever bail me out or ever get off
the field or just gives away completions like Halloween candy.
I can't play for field goals anymore, no, you know.
I mean, we're never gonna win the race in the
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end on the point race. And okay, Aaron, we love you.
You're playing well. But still the offense isn't exactly but
definitely isn't real capable. Nor are most, but this one
less than most. You take a penalty and it's third
and twelve, you take a sack, you have a tackle
for loss. You know, inevitable bad things, but they have
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to stay ahead of the chains. But he might have
to start looking at things like, okay, well I'm gonna
need four downs to do it now instead of three? Sure,
you know, and if.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Paint the barn red when you got red paint.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Right, that's the best thing we are going for us,
is you st the beauty of those type of things
is I hate the tush bush, but they're the best
example is the Eagles. Know if I get to second
and six, or if I get to third and six,
I can run the ball twice, you know what I mean?
Like you just change here, Yeah, four here. The Lions
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are a great example, Like these are the best offense
is in the league, don't get me wrong. And that's
where Tomlin's got to be like, well, my offense isn't
quite as high powered as those, but I might need
four downs to get me those ten yards and I
might have to play call accordingly. All right, third and two.
I can take a shot here because I know I'm
going to run the ball next time. You know what
I mean when crowd in the bottles, well it's huge, right,
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everyone crowds a box against GiB the Montgomery. I'm going
over the top to Jamison Williams, and if I don't
convert it, I'm still going to go for it to midfield,
you know. So I think he's gonna I mean, he's
the only one that can do that. That's not a
coordinaty thing. That's not you know, that's a head coach.
You know. Do I have to now view this team differently?
You know? Him? Like myself, Like everybody looked at this
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defense and thought they can be really good. They got
great players. Well they're not playing good and when they
don't get splashed, they don't win. And now, over the
course of the entire season on a down by down basis,
they're like the worst of the league. I mean just
success rate. You know, they live on splash and they're
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really good at splash, and splash will come again, folks,
you know, don't worry. Yeah, but if I can't stop
anyone and I give completions away, like Candy, I think
you're right that we love your boss, but you can't
beat the team MVP. That's right.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
I mean the way that you said that, I think
back in training camp or whenever is perfectly stated. And again,
I know specifically in this example, and we could go
through again, there's a lot of examples to back this up,
but specifically in last night, it's very easy for me
to do the hindsight thing.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
That's that's the benefit we have.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
I will be completely transparent.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
It's not like when they trotted Chris Boswhill out that
trio of times in the first half. I'm up in
the broadcast booth pounding the desk like, come on, you.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
Gotta go for it.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Yeah, what on earth are you thinking?
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Right?
Speaker 4 (11:46):
But it just it it feels like again.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
At that time, they look like the better team.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
At that time, they looked like the better team. But man,
there is such a large sample size now of thirty
one points not being enough in Cincinnati, twenty five points
not being enough last night, and Matt, you kind of
talked about and you have.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
To really think that with the Colts coming to town,
they score thirty like it's their job, and everyone given
out Halloween and they're resting everybody in the fourth court.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
The trends, and we talk a lot about trends, right,
I mean, things one offs can happen.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
It's it's the National Football League. Weird things happen.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
That doesn't mean you don't steer the boat the same direction,
build a big plan in the offseason, and you make
small alterations. But sometimes you look at me, like, are
playing working? No, it's we can't play man coverage. We
can't stop people from completing passes, you know.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
And some real kind of telling stats in that regard.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Four of the seven games this season, the Steelers have
given up thirty points or more allowed thirty points or
more than four seven games this year, Matt. They've lost
the time of possession battle in six of seven games
this year.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
They have been like dominating at the half.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
This week they have been out snapped in all seven games.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
I know, I know, it's great.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
I mean, it's it's those are trends now.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
These are just yeah, these are basically facts at this point.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
And so I think that that's a very kind of
you know, astute way that you put it is the classic.
When you've got red paint, you paint the barn red.
When you've got yellow paint, you paint the barn yellow.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
I the yellow paint, but you have red paint.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
And that's the that's that's the difficult part.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
You bought yellow paint, you open the thing and it's red.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
Well, it's like a what am I supposed to do now?
Speaker 6 (13:28):
Right?
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Right?
Speaker 2 (13:29):
You got you got you got to adapt. I mean,
you have to do something differently. You absolutely have to.
And it becomes more of a challenge now because guess what,
you're bye weeks in the books. You're not gonna have
time time to do a bunch of self scouting and reflecting.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
And you're losing people with injuries.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
You're long week now, ten day week from Thursday night
football is in the books, right And as you mentioned, yeah, man,
Deshaun Elliott, that is that is one of the last
guys you want to see go down on that defense.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
Yeah, you lose a quality as well too.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
And Seeamalu has a double ripple effect too, and that's
a great chapter we have. Then had to throw it
in the fire. You know.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
That's and I think that that was that was a
kind of that was a handcuffing.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
Them a little bit early on. Oh yeah, yeah, because
we saw.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
I mean they you know, they they threw a pass
to Anderson. Was that on the first was that the
first series of the game or second series of the game.
Early on they threw the pass to Anderson. We knew
we were going to see more of that. Then all
of a sudden that that changes a lot for the offense,
absolutely losing.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Sayamaluh, that's six o line, huge jumbo package. It's kind
of awesome, it is. I mean, that's a real.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
Fine It's tough to game plan against. It's really tough game.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
It's tough, but to play like a four to four
or five.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Three, especially when you know that Darnell Washington can slip
behind you and take that thing for thirty forty yards.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
And remind me. I really want to ask some of
our Beat reporter guests throughout the week, might you promote
some other o linemen to do it if Andrew since
my left guard.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
Is there anyone trust to that level?
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Is there someone you'd put a left guard and make
Anderson the six like you have to abandon the six
to zero line thing. Frankly, I don't know who that
guy is. It's worth putting out there. I wish there
was a third round pick tackle that you're like, well,
we'll try him there.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Yes, correct, correct, It's a lot of questions.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Yeah, Like that's where we're at on this Monday, after
two frustrating losses where I think, in particular, the defense
has looked like it has brutal.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Hey, if you would have you know, if you would
have told.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Us that what was it? Was it twenty six against Cleveland?
Speaker 4 (15:34):
I believe right?
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Was it twenty six to nine or twenty three to nine?
Was the final score against Cleveland?
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Ye?
Speaker 2 (15:39):
But regardless out of that bye week, you were gonna
score twenty three or twenty six against Cleveland. You're gonna
score thirty one against Cincinnati, you were gonna score twenty
five against the Packers.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
We must make fun of the Bengals last year for
having to play this way. It's starting to feel like
the twenty twenty four Bengals.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
Where you got to score at least thirty some points.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Yes, and you still lose half of them. You go
nine to eight or whatever.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
You know, And Matt, you could have you could have
sold me a if we're laying out all the different
possibilities that could happen to this team before Halloween, right
the first seven games of the season, you could have
sold me on this defense isn't as great as we
all were hoping it was gonna be. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's got some older pieces, you get some injuries, whatever.
This defense isn't gonna be a lead. It's not going
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to be a top three, top five hundred in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
We could have been sold that that ship sailed. You know,
we thought this was gonna be a top defense. Okay, fine,
but not to this extent. But you've had a tough
time selling me it's going to be a bottom you
know whatever, even.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
Half of the league, bottom ten, bottom twelve.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Whatever, And it's trending towards one of the worst, all
of a sudden.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
It is.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
And again it's it's one of those things where you
don't need an eye test, you don't like the data
now backs that up and the points that they've seen,
yards that they've surrendered, lack of sacks, lack of splash
over the last couple of weeks. And it's a it's
a big concern. It's a it's a mug, it's a
it's a massive concern. We listen, there is there is
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a lot of opportunity in front of this team.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
Still. We could be singing, we could we could be
coming back. We could be coming with their.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Losses and teams. I mean, there's some math stuff that works.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
We could be coming back from San Diego at what
would it be six and three if the Steelers win
their next two games? Feeling much different? I say, San Diego,
I'm at La Chargers. You know, I was at the
stadium till three am last night on a few hours
of sleep. That'll happen a few more times when we're
coming back from La on a red eye. But right now,
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you I I think there's no there's no running from it,
there's no hiding from it. It might have been easy
on that Friday morning, Like you said, you know what,
sometimes Barry Bonds is just gonna hit some home runs.
Barry Bond is gonna go four for five with a
couple of doubles and a couple of home runs, and
he just he just.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Had a daytz gets six points.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
Man, Yeah, he's gonna strike you out twelve times.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
It's just going to happen, right, But it might have
been you might have been able to say that Friday
after that Cincinnati game again. Now, when it starts to
become a trend, when it starts to become a habit,
when it starts to become a pattern, you can't hide
from it.
Speaker 6 (18:12):
You got to.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Sometimes the only way to get through it, Matt, is
to go through it. Yeah, And I hope they're going
I hope they're going through it this way.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
They have the right people to come out on the
other end better for it. When it all matters. I mean, yes,
this is still a loss. At the end of October.
There's a lot of football left, and you can string
five wins together anything good. The Bears just came off
a winning streak. I mean, like anyone can do it.
But it doesn't look real profitable right now. Last thing
and completion, what is it? The completion percentage for Love
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was obviously extremely high. I mean, he completed twenty in
a row.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
Twenty nine thirty seven.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
But when you there's an advanced number, and I want
to get too nerdy, but they call it adjusted completion percentage.
So if you spike the ball, it doesn't come against you.
If you throw one away on purpose, if a ball
gets bad and at the line of scrimmage, they don't
blame the quarterback for that. And these are NFL dot
Com stats. These are from you know, the league. If
you look at his adjusted completion percentage of this game,
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it's ninety one percent. So the balls he tried to complete,
like you don't try to complete a spike or whatever. Right,
he completed like nine oh ten Halloween candy, dude.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
It's too easy.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Yeah, yeah, you can't just hand them out.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
Jordan loves a good quarterback.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
He's a a good quarterback's it's not Patrick Mahomes, right,
it's not prime Peyton Manning.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Right, right, right. You know Laco was hot too, and
you know right, I mean the passing defense numbers over
the past two games, and they're easy throws. They're all
two point four seconds, get it out, and they're not
man Mahomes is driving the ball on this deep out
and putting in a spot this big, there were open dudes.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
Yeah, and again it's starting one game, it happens.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Everybody has bad to everybody has good days. Everybody has
bad days. They're humans. But Thursday on the road, you know, alright,
starting to become a trend, and an alarming one at that.
We're gonna talk about all these things and more with
our buddy Rob King, the Voice of your Pittsburgh Steelers
when we return.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
We have got plenty to get to today as we continue.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
To react to the Steelers falling for the second straight
week twenty five to thirty five to the Green Bay
Packers on Sunday Night Football. West Ruler Matt Williamson, we'll
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Speaker 1 (20:37):
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Speaker 3 (20:41):
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Speaker 2 (21:05):
Back on the drive here as we roll along, reacting
to Sunday Night Football at disappointing loss for your Pittsburgh Steelers.
Joining us now to discuss it is the voice of
your Pittsburgh Steelers, Rob King. You, of course hear him
every morning in the locker room and on the calls
with Max Stark's and Missy Matthews throughout the season. Kinger frustrating, one, disappointing,
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one wild one there at Akershuer Stadium last night. I
think a whole bunch of different ways to go. Matt
and I got into some of that in the open here,
and we'll kind of continue to dissect this thing as
we roll along. But hasn't even been twenty four hours yet.
It's been like ten hours since that game ended, twelve
hours something like that. I don't know my math is off,
but what's your biggest takeaway as we sit here on
(21:49):
a Monday afternoon.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
Yeah, you know, it's funny to get I was. I
was on DV this morning too, and you know, and
then on earlier with Matt for the program that's that
we take that's going to run later tonight. The point after,
I'm and Max in the locker room, and I'd forgotten
that the Steelers really played an excellent first half of
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football and actually had a lead going into the fourth quarter,
although the tide was turning against them even when they
had that lead going into the fourth quarter. You know,
you want to try to accentuate some positives I don't
know as that's really possible. I do think that, you know,
the offense did some good things. They were able to
run the football against a top run defense, the second
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best run defense in the league. They had opportunities. But look, man,
this is a league that's about winning, and the Stitis
are now lost to in a row, and they've surrendered
a ton of points, and they just have not looked
defensively anything like we expected the Steelers to look defensively,
or certainly I expected him to look this year. And
you look up now they've played seven games and in
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four of them they've given up thirty or more points.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Yeah, and the wrong team is coming to town in
terms of producing thirty points, by the way, But we'll
get too far ahead of ourselves. Rob that show you
mentioned that we do with Mike Pursuda, Mike and I
thought it a really astute observation that if you had
to look at one point where the tides turned, it
was Love just kind of chucking up a arm punt,
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you know, almost gets sacked. That could have been a
very positive play for the defense. Tucker Craft, who we've
warned people last week, is a fantastic young player. Rips
the ball down is a man among boys, takes it
down the field for a big game and literally insult injury.
Elliott get hurt on that play, and everyone's heads are hanging,
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you know, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 6 (23:48):
I think they're you know, yes, and we thought that
way last night as well calling the game. But I
will say this too, you know, and I know that
are a very good team. They're one of the best
teams in the NFL. Ye have to find a way
to stem the tide. And this Diders did come back
and they marched down and they kicked the field goal,
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but the Packers kept coming and kept coming and kept coming,
and this Diders just they didn't have enough answers, penalties, sacks,
you know, a fumble when you still had one last
gasp to try to win the game or get back
in the game late in the game, to game well,
fumble just you know, you've got to find a way. Injuries, right, well,
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other teams have injuries too, because you know, go back
to the Bengals in Week two, they lose Joe Burrow
and they come from behind to win the game. Joe
Burrow is basically that team. You know, they've invested all
that money in Burrow and yes, of course the receivers
I understand that, but that's what they're built to do.
And then Chase Browning comes in and wins the game.
So no one feels sorry for you that you have injuries.
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And look, I think Deshaun Elliott is a significant injury.
I think the world of them as a player, I
think is importance level to the Steers defense. It's hard
to overstate how important he is. There there are just
you know, siamalu uh not. Not only is he hurt,
but now it takes a jumbo package out of play,
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a quality obviously, a guy that has had a good year.
It is a has been a very good rotational player
for the Steelers. But but you've got to find a
way to stem the tide. You've got to find a
way to fight back. And and you know that's what
happens in heavyweight battles with good teams, and the Steers
just weren't able to find a way after that craft play.
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You know, there have been a couple of things of adversity,
right the off side play that wasn't the off side
play where Aaron Rodgers figured he could take a shot
down field and mystifyingly, no flag was thrown. And it's
not like the Steelers showed no fight. They just didn't
have enough in them to stem the tide through injuries
and through momentum and other things, uh, to come back
and win the game.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
And Rob on that show, this is an unforgiving league.
And I made the joke when we were having that conversation,
it's like goodfellas. I mean, oh, you got hit by lightning.
Pay me, you know, Oh nobody cares, you know, and
and nobody cares, and maybe you overcome those obstacles, see
them all oo, et cetera. You know, against the Browns,
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but you're not against the top tier teams, that's right.
Speaker 6 (26:26):
And and there's the Steelers aren't the only team getting
bad breaks. They aren't the only team getting injuries. And
you know, you understand the fact that those are factors, right,
but you know, factors can't be excuses. And if you're
a fan saying, well, if we got this call or
that call, or well, that's just not the way it works.
You've just got to find a way. And the Steelers,
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you know, in the last two weeks, just didn't find
a way. Last week, they had an opportunity early on
to extend the lead against Cincinnati, uh didn't do it.
This week, they had opportunities even with the halftime lead,
to extend the lead against Green Bay have a bigger
halftime lead, and they didn't do it. Okay, that's one
factor for sure, and those aren't small factors. But then
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you've also got to find a way to come back
and come up with a defensive stop. Last week, the
Steaders that you know, as much as they they felt
like they maybe really could have handled the Bengals and
blown them out early. They didn't, but they still had
a chance to steal the win late. I would have
felt like, hey, you walk out of Paid Court Stadium
with a win. You stole one. You needed to stop
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defensively at the end of the game. You didn't get it.
So complimentary football, turnover battles, lack of fat splash plays,
lack of finding a way to stem the tide, all
these things have been part of what have causes to
this to lose the last two games.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Yeah, Kinger, and you know that's he touched on something
there that I think is important, and it's you know
a lot of people are going to be screaming and hooting,
hollering and yelling about the defense today.
Speaker 6 (27:58):
And I get it.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
I'm not saying those people are that's where the money's spent.
That's where most of the the all pros and the
stars of this offense are. And that's just a Pittsburgh
Steelers thing. It's our birthright to have a good defense
in this town and has been since the seventies, right,
But they have gotten away for years now with settling
for threes off the Golden toe of Chris Boswell. And
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Matt says this best. He's said it a few times
since training camp. It's great that Chris Boswell is reliable
and as amazing as he is, thank God, thank goodness.
But I don't want him to be team MVP, you know,
like they have so many times throughout the years, gotten
away with winning games off of good defense in the
Golden toe against Chris Boswell. They won the season opener
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in Atlanta a couple of years ago. Eighteen points from
Boswell was enough to get it done.
Speaker 6 (28:45):
You know.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
I think that that game in Denver last year, they
scored one touchdown, but then it was Boswell the rest
of the way. Heck, guys, they won a playoff game
in Kansas City one year, just off of Chris Boswell's
toe without scoring a touchdown. But you kind of touched
on it there.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
King.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
It's sixteen to seven at the half, and yeah, you're
feeling good at that point. You're up more than one possession.
But it should have been twenty to seven. It should
have been twenty four to seven. And I realized these
aren't twenty seven yard field goals that Chris Boswell was hitting.
They were from forty eight. They were from fifty they
were from fifty six. When you get into plus territory,
when you get close to the red zone or into
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the red zone, they have got to find ways to
turn threes into sevens more often. They've gotten away with
it for so many years. But I just don't think
they can anymore.
Speaker 6 (29:32):
Well, I think, yeah, I you know, there's the what
did John F. Kennedy say, Ask not what your country
can do for you, ask what you could do for
your country. Well, for years it's been you know, the
only thing you have to ask for is your defense. Right.
So it's a close game and you've got, you know,
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maybe some quarterback play that is up to snuff, or
you don't think it's up to snuff post Ben Roethlisberger.
Maybe you could even say post bend surgery. I don't know.
I don't know how you want to parse it up.
But the comfort level was Mike Tomlin, who remember early on,
was an aggressive coach, like he had he had Ben,
and he had a B and he had lebon bell
and he was going for two and and and being aggressive.
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And you know, he's had faith in this defense, and
it's a highly paid defense, and he had faith in
the in the defense coming into the season. He probably
still has faith in the defense. Right that that is
by definition what faith is believing in something that you
that you haven't seen, right, And so you know, maybe
maybe that isn't anymore. Maybe maybe it's not asked your
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defense can do for you, but what you can do
for your defense. Maybe maybe they do need to be
more aggressive in going for things. Maybe it isn't punted
away and let our defense hang on to this win.
And I don't know, I don't I don't know what
the answer is. I do know that the answer is
not what we've seen the last two games. You know,
the offense has been good, but there's been moments the
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defense is not really good, and there's been moments where
they could have maybe been helped out by the offense.
I don't know. I don't know, and I'm sure they're searching.
Francis right now, what do we do to get back
in the win column because the schedule is not going
to get any easier. You're still in first place. One
victory and we're singing a different tune. One win over
the Colts, and we're singing a different tune. But you
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got to find a way to beat the Colts, and
you got to find a way to play better football
in order to beat the Colts.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Gonna be an interesting six or so days here leading
up to that one o'clock kickoff at akershar Stadium next
weekend against Indianapolis. The voice of your Pittsburgh Steelers kind
enough to lend us some time here on a Monday,
King or thank you, and we'll talk.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
To you soon.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
You got it, guys, Thanks There he is there, he goes.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Some good stuff from him, Matt, want to talk about
some of that when we return on the other side.
Just more kind of downloading all of our thoughts from
last night's thirty five to twenty five defeat to the
green Bay Packers. We'll do that to close down the
first hour of the show. When we return, it is
the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers Audio Network,
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your tunes.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
About Drive on your twenty four to seven home of
the Black and Goal. Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Back on the Drive here on a Monday, as we
roll along and recap the Steelers frustrating loss to the
Green Bay Packers at home on Sunday Night football.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
It was a big one man. That place was jumping,
that place was juiced.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Matt.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
I typically get there about four and a half hours
before kickoff, which, as you can imagine, for one o'clock games,
you know, I'm getting there at eight thirty in the morning.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
I'm sure things are pretty quiet.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
Things are pretty calm. Yeah, thirty games.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
I'm getting there at you know, eleven thirty noonish, a
little bit more than a one o'clock game, but it's
still You've got the diehards who have been there and
set up.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Yeah yeah, yeah, but they were Tailgators are going.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
The second wave hasn't haven't haven't called in yet.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Part lots aren't full to the burhm at that point.
Speaker 4 (33:18):
Yesterday, I got down there at three o'clock.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
It was backed up everywhere already, tailgates going crazy, cars everywhere,
Sidewalks were aligned.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
With with with people.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
I mean, this was this was a game that had
a lot of eyeballs, a lot of attention, a lot
of storylines, and man, when you win games like that,
it's a ton of fun.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
Yeah, kind of like the Steelers in Dublin. You lose
games like that, it, man.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
It stinks even more, I think, and kind of the
forty eight hours ish aftermath.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Yeah, I'll get this out of my system. But a
little more green in the stands that I would have
liked waiting for how.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
Long that was gonna come.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
I wasn't there.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
I didn't know if Rob King was gonna say something
about that. Yeah, I'm I'm man, I'm with you on that.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
I made up.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
I saw a bunch of green outside of the stadium,
And that's one thing because sometimes you're like, hey, maybe
they just came to town, you know, like, but yeah,
it was it was up there with I mean, I
remember the home opener against San Francisco a few years ago.
There was a lot of red in that stadium and
there's a lot of Niners fans in Youngstown, Ohio, in
Northeast Ohio, the Bartolow family connection for those who aren't
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familiar with that, but this might have been to another level.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
And Hey, people that have season tickets.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
And it's a night game and people leave in the
fourth work, you're allowed to do.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
You're allowed to do what you want with your tickets.
It's the weather's a little chili, it's a late game.
But I would also say that's part of having tickets, is,
you know, is supporting the responsibility and in those in
those in those uh, in those moments, I say, as
a guy who drove down to Morgantown to watch a
two and five team and the cold as well.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
Yeah, and so that we're not We're not the Falcons,
We're not the pay Anthers Chargers.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
That was a little frustrating. I realized for a lot
of Packers fans, this was like a get to say
goodbye to Aaron Rodgers, our hero type game.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Yeah, yeah, you know, if you can see why they'd
be super anxious to come spend the weekend in Pittsburgh.
It's like a Southern getaway from them too.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
If Ben would have played Beach, if Ben would have
played his last season in the league. For the Detroit
Lions and the Steelers played there, there'd be a bazillion
Steelers fans, so I I I get it from that perspective.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
Yeah, part of its respect for the Packers fans totally.
Speaker 6 (35:33):
I said.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Just again, like I said they, I'm sure a lot
of Green Bay fans were like so, probably my last
chance to see Aaron Rodgers playing against my team, you know,
the guy that I loved for eighteen years.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
I'm going to pay whatever it takes for tickets. Pittsburgh's
a cool town.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Let's go.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
Yeah, exactly right.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Good great place to spend a fall weekend in October,
you know. Uh, but yeah, that was that was something
that uh.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
It was a little uncomfortable.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
Didn't love to see it.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
I don't want I don't want to I don't want
to die anybody out here, all right, but but but
didn't love to see it. Uh, Matt, I tell you what,
credit where credit is due in certain instances as well.
Some of it is frustrating and poor performance on the
Steelers end. Other part of it is is as you
and I like to do too. I think we're pretty
good at this. The other teams have millionaires and all pros.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
And it's a crime if you don't mention yes, the
other team, you know, come.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
On, especially in this league, even the pushover the Jets
went and won a game on Sunday.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Everybody's good.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Everybody's good. The Packers certainly have good players. And man,
you called it with Tucker Craft. You've been to be fair.
It wasn't just that this this, uh, this past week
that you called it. You've been singing his praises since
training camp and we do positional rankings and fantasy football
conversation and all that stuff.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
It was National tight Ends Day yesterday. He was the best.
He was the best tight end in the NFL. Uh
Week nine or whatever it was.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
Was so and people know I do a lot of fantasy,
and I'm a bunch of fantasy leagues, et cetera, et cetera,
And I didn't want to pay up for the Bowers
of the world, et cetera. So the two tight ends
that I invested heavily in and told people to are
Craft and the guy coming to town this week, Warren
oh No, who's also fire, and we'll get into him
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and down the road, of course. But Craft is really
really impressive, and I just wanted to pull us up.
He had one hundred and thirty one yards after the catch.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
And that was something you talked about. Yeah, this guy's
a madman after the catch, and that's.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
No fluke at all. He is fast, he is aggressive,
he accelerates, he is hard to bring down. He does
not enjoy being tackled, and he'd let you know it.
That's the third most of any position or no, it's
our best out of tight ends since the next gen era,
which is twenty sixteen. I mean it's huge and two
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point eight yards yard per route run in that game,
every time he ran a route he basically got three yards.
Who's really good for a wide receiver? Two point eight
for a tight end? Whoa? But you don't lean numbers
to say how good he.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Was, And no, that's one of those just the eye
tests and showed.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
It didn't listen to us or is new the show
or whatever and is like, hmmm, who's this craft guy?
He seems all right? Well you know now, yep, yeah
you do.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
And I'm sure a lot of people as they listen
to this, maybe even some of you will jump into
our Twitter mensions screaming about that missed OPI on that
one long game that he had. Yeah, I certainly think
it could have been called passing a fair offensiveassing inter
Fairce agreed without a doubt.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
This was not the greatest officiated game, and it hurt
the Steelers more than the Packers. But that's not why
they lost. Just getting that off my chest.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
I agree, Yeah, they missed a terrible and again this
is one of those all these things are easy to
say in hindsight, but this plays along with me to
the settling for threes too often in the first half conversation. Yeah,
first possession of the second half, that missed false start
where Michael Michael Parsons. They two guys off sides, not
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Michael Parsons, but whoever the other one was.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
I'm john a.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
Blank right now, don't remember either.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
He's on Zach Fraser's shoulder when he snaps the ball, right,
I mean like it's not even close. Like he's on
Zach's shoulder when he snaps that ball. What if that
that would have given you a first down, You'd be
close to midfield. It's sixteen to seven at that point.
You know what if you even if you just add
another field goal, it becomes nineteen to say, like you
pick up one more first down or two and you
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add another field goal.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
This isn't wind about the ref time because and exactly
something I do very often on Monday.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
It's not something I ever like to do either, because
it just feels like sour grapes. And I think ninety
nine point nine percent of the time, it's not the
reason you lost or won.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
And the Steelers were not the better team last night.
They didn't deserve to win. This isn't big, but those
two plays to me are important to at least note
because mentioned before and I stole it from my PURSUITO
that I think that craft arm punt Elliott gets injured.
What was the biggest play the game and a major
turning point. And if a flag comes out and it
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goes backwards, let's just see where the chips fall.
Speaker 4 (40:08):
You still Elliott? But right, I mean at least he
was on a player to later.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
Yeah, and that wasn't a great play by Love. I
mean eighteen of his twenty completions were boom, boom, boom.
He two great quarterbacking, but that one was. I'm in
huge trouble here. I'm just gonna chuck it up and
hopes my my guy makes a play. He did because
his guy's really good.
Speaker 6 (40:24):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
But the other thing about the off side thing though,
which was why I think Rogers is losing his mind
about it, because he knew he was right. Like this
guy's in the backfield when there That's the thing. There's
no way he even attempts that pass. He thought he
had a free play. Thought he had a free play, right,
So I'm gonna drive it in the tightest window I
possibly can't. No one's done it better in the years
than that guy, you know. Like, so there was two
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prong like I would not have done what I did,
and you missed the call.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
You know, that was a that was a kind of
momentum zapping type type moment, as was the the Tucker
uh the Tucker Craft non call.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
Yeah yeah, yeah as well too.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
But one non call doesn't make up for seven receptions
one hundred and forty three yards, two touchdowns. He's pretty
awesome average of twenty point four yards per reception, and
that was just you know, Christian Watson four for eighty
five boost to bring him back to the average of
twenty one point three.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
You're real happy with your weapons right now?
Speaker 2 (41:24):
If you're the Packers, Romeo Dobbs fourteen point seven average.
You're right, yeah, but I don't think anyone was singing
that tune coming into the game. You and plenty of
people were talking about Tucker Craft, but no one was
really talking about Watson or Dobbs like that, Like these
guys are fine NFL wid you made it, you made
it way wait, he made it.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
Way easy, no doubt. I mean, so this is kind
of fantasy thing, but I mean, for a couple of
years now, who's the number one in Green Bay? We
need somebody to be a number one? Who's the difference maker? Well,
the number one is a tight end, yes, and they
know it now and the whole world knows it now,
and this doesn't matter anymore. But I think Jayden Reid
is supposed to come back next week. You got Watson
this week. Dobbs really stepped up while those guys were gone,
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and isn't the one, but he was better than he
has been his career. So he leveled up a little
bit and he got a first round picking golden sitting there.
So it's like, yeah, you're feeling pretty good if you're
the Packers right now in the passing game. You know,
I'm not saying they're gonna and that just isn't Steeler
related by no means might like, oh, they'll do this
every week to every team they played. No they won't,
you know, because they made it too easy. Yes, yes
they did, and don't make it too easy against really
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good teams.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
And I tell you what, They've got a really good
team coming to town here again in six days, so
they better.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
Might be the best offense in the league.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
Which I'm laughing because it sounds funny to say out loud,
right that an offense led by Daniel Jones with going
into this season. Matt, if you would have asked the
average football fan across the league, maybe you take the
Colts division out of it, because those guys see them
more often. But yeah, okay, go ahead and name me
as many Colts on the offensive side of the football
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as you can. Jonathan Taylor, right right, maybe Quentin Nelson. Yeah,
you would have gotten an average of probably one point
five names started to drive from the casual football fan.
Speaker 3 (43:05):
They're not gonna tell you about Josh Downs and yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Correct, yeah, but that's I tell you what. It's gonna
be a captain obvious here. I'm really really digging in.
It's gonna be a tough meeting today for the Pittsburgh Steelers,
in a tough film session, particularly for the guys on
that defense.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
Hang in with me for one section.
Speaker 4 (43:25):
You better figure it out here quick.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
We don't preview games on Mondays. We do not, but
Monday morning, as I started, we got.
Speaker 4 (43:32):
Ten more hours of radio before, right exactly.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
But Monday mornings, I start really digging into the opponent,
much like the coaching staffs do around the league. And
I got about a ten sentence paragraph here on Jonathan
Taylor that you're okay with me reading it? Sure, because
it's gonna make me feel bad, really really terrible. It's
gonna make you feel Freddy Krueger Halloween Nightmares. I'm really
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going with the Halloween theme today, Jaila.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
Kramer and Seinfeld. Here's the feeling good all the time? Yeah,
you've got me, like, here's the feeling bad all the time.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
Oh, it's Halloween week. You know people like scary movies.
I mean, this is Michael Meyers stuff here, and he's
coming to town.
Speaker 4 (44:12):
Dude, here we go, Chainsaw Massacre.
Speaker 3 (44:15):
I'm just gonna read for a minute. And everyone's gonna go,
oh no, and you're gonna feel terrible for a while.
So such his life. So Jonathan Taylor rushed for one
hundred and fifty three yards and three total touchdowns on
just twelve carries last week. Oh no, that's pretty good.
He recorded a career high eight point four yards after
first contact. Oh no, pretty good. That was his fourth
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one hundred yard rushing day of the season, to go
along with fourteen total touchdowns. What yeah, wait for real,
that's where he's at right now.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
I've got him on one of my big money fantasy
teams and I didn't even realize it's fourteen.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
Over his past three games, he's rushed for three hundred
and seventy yards and is averaging seven point six yards
per carry. Oh no, pretty good. He's the fifth player
since the year two two thousand with at least three
scrimmage touchdowns in four games of a season, and we're
not even halfway through the year. And this is the
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sixth player in NFL history with at least seventy scrimmage
touchdowns in his first seventy five games. I mean, we're
talking like Jim Brown, Eric Dickerson stuff. He has four
to three touchdown games this season four The rest of
the league has eight combined.
Speaker 4 (45:30):
That's unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (45:31):
Yeah, he scored ten touchdowns over his past four games.
Speaker 4 (45:35):
Why is he not an MVP conversation, He's Offensive Player
of the Year.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
That's kind of where I'm going with this.
Speaker 4 (45:40):
It's a quarterback board, that's the answer.
Speaker 3 (45:42):
And a couple more things here. He has five more
touchdowns than anyone else in the NFL right now.
Speaker 6 (45:48):
Five.
Speaker 3 (45:49):
Lord, He's responsible for four percent of all the rushing
yardage in the entire league by running backs. Thirty one
percent of his touches are resulting in first downs or touchdowns,
best in the league. He's also hit twenty miles per
hour on six occasions this league this year, most in
(46:11):
the league. He's having one of the best running years.
And he's not a bad receiver in NFL history. Oh no, yeah,
so now, Doc Jacobs, that's a good news.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
You know my favorite United States Olympian ever, Paulo. Oh no,
do you remember him? He was a figure Skins the
name actually twenty years ago.
Speaker 3 (46:30):
Yeah, oh no, oh no. It's scary Halloween week and
you better get it right. Michael Myers is coming to
down you.
Speaker 4 (46:37):
You better get it right because the Colts are coming
and they're carrying a chainsaw.
Speaker 6 (46:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
Hour in the books, another hour to go. I got
a couple you know what I've got. I've got a
question for you to start our number two, Matt, Okay,
well we'll get into that. We've gotten about half a
million tweets as well too. Maybe we'll okay, maybe we'll
pick into some of those. We also do need to
do an around the league segment an hour number two.
Tolowouts a lot of a lot of things happening in
the NFL. Say, yeah, that would have been nice. Although hey,
(47:05):
the Bengals. The Bengals did drop one as well too,
which which doesn't doesn't hurt the Steelers at all.
Speaker 4 (47:10):
We'll get into all that more.
Speaker 6 (47:11):
No.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
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