January 24, 2025 • 46 mins
Dale and Matt converse on how the Steelers can improve their roster, specifically on the offensive side of the ball through the draft and free agency as well as diving into other topics in today's first hour of the program.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
At least.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on
your twenty four to seven home of the Black and
Gold Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Welcome to the Drive. I am Dale LOLLI he is
the Matt Williamson. And well it is a lovely Friday
out there. Yeah, soun's out ball me right right right,
that's clear, sons out.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
You can't complain.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
I want to wear shorts today. I thought about it. Yeah,
I knew you would, uh, But anyways, it's a conference
championship weekend. Yeah, lost of going on going on around
the league, hirings, firings, yeah yeah, all that good stuff.
But I wanted to dig in today, Matt with I
did my third position review, No, okay, I can drop
up today on Steelers dot Com. That was looking at
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the team's wide receivers, gotcha, okay. And this was an
interesting one because if you look at it going into you,
at this time last year, the Steelers had under contract
George Pickens, Calvin Austin, Deontay Johnson, Okay, free agency at
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this time season, that's what they had under contract. And
when they came out of all this stuff, they obviously
traded Deontay Johnson to get to get Dante Jackson swaped
some draft picks there. Yeah, so you had the two holdovers,
George Pickens and Calvin Austin, and then the off you know,
over the course of the year they added Van Jefferson,
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Mike Williams, Benscronic, Scottie Miller, Roman Wilson, and really when
you look at the position, the only two guys who
kind of fulfilled their expectations. Yeah, George Pickens and Calvin Austin.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Yeah, the guys drafted that you like, you scouted all
along and all that. Yeah, and doesn't mean Wilson won't
that Ronic was a nice addition.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
It was a year ago. At this time, Roman Wilson
was at the Senior Bowl. Mike Tomlin was challenging him
to go up against Mitchell for the against Uinya Mitchell, Like,
you guys are the two best guys on this route,
you know, at your position area, and you need to
go against each other as much as possible. So I
guarantee part of what Mike Tomlin at his exit meeting
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with Roman Wilson this year was challenging him, Hey, your
rookie season pale was not what we expected probably wasn't
what you expected either.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
I'm heading down the Senior Bowl and I remember last year,
you know, yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
And we need you to be that guy because he
obviously against Quenya Mitchell in those situations.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Oh, he had a really good Senior Bowl and he
was come off a national title. I mean, the Michigan
just got a ring, you know, and a lot of
people thought that he was going in the second round.
But I think, you know, he's not the biggest guy
in the world. He looks like he's mostly a slot
and a good receiver. Draft too, I mean, that didn't
help his cause either. He'd probably go higher this year.
So that story's definitely not written. And I don't think
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by any means or you were implying this he's a bust.
He was let down.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
There are people out there to say stuff like that
after one year as a bust, come on.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
As a wasted pick. They just threw that one away.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Get hurt.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
You know, we talked about it all year. So he's
like an incoming rookie, yeah, you.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Know, and really more so than any of the other guys. Yeah,
the guys who file Atano for for sure at least
started a game and played the entire game.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
You know, a full training camp and all that stuff too, right.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
And even the other guys who got hurt at least
got to go through all a training camp.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Yeah, you know, so he's the guy that didn't, right,
and you.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Are bringing in like basically another rookie court receiver. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
So, I mean he didn't even get to play in
the preseason. No, right, right, I'm all going to be
new for him. You've never seen him in black and
gold pads, you know what I mean. So I don't
know that anyone had massive hopes for Jefferson though, or
I thought he would be better than what he turned out,
and I thought he make more plays. I thought he
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would make more plays than he did. Not that he
didn't make some plays, but a lot of times they
just kind of ignored him in the passing game.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Yeah, and you know, out of State wasn't wonderful. And
I mean, he's probably a journeyman that's a number four
receiver that I thought maybe could be a three. I
knew that there wasn't a two on the team, but
I think Austin assured us that he is a three,
which is a compliment.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
That's great.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
I mean, the number three receivers are or not. They
don't just grow on trees. Where Jefferson's a four Williams,
I don't know what to think of.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
But I mean his production with the Steelers was pretty
much the same production he had with the Jets.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Yeah, I mean, it might just be who he is
at this point. I mean, he's not a.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Maybe it's you know, he needed a year to recover
from the knee injury. I don't know, I mean, but
you know, he's thirty now.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
I would consider offering him a league minimum type deal
just to revisit it and see what happens. But he
doesn't help you on teams, you know, nearest Van Jefferson
for that matter, Fourth receivers almost have to help on teams.
That's a big special which is where scaRNA it comes
in exactly, especially if you're not ever going to run
four receiver sets, let alone very many three receiver sets.
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You know, if you live in eleven, Well, my fourth guy,
maybe he doesn't have to be on teams. I have
an extra guy. I don't have a fourth tight end
on game day, you know, available. But Scronic to me
is valuable. Yeah, he's behind the Land and Roberts, but
not many others in terms of free agents I'd like
to bring back.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Yeah, I mean he's he does the gritty work.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Yeah, I mean I remember spending a lot of time
in training camp. This team doesn't have any gunners. Well
he's a good one, yeah, and I can live with them.
On offense here and there. Yeah, I mean he made
when he was out there, he blocks. He again, he
does all the gritty stuff. He's just a football player.
Scottie Miller, you know, yeah, it is what it is,
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a little bit out of him.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
You got a little something out of him again if
you if you bring him back just to you know,
for again a minimum deal with training camp and he whatever.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Maybe he needs an injury to make the team, but whatever.
I mean, you know what he is at this point
and you can live with it. But it's not you know,
I could have thrown them twelve passes a game and
ride into the postseason, you know, right, I mean, he
is what he is.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
But he made some plays last year. Yeah, yeah, you
know in the league next year. You know, the big
thing is is and again we did the mock draft
yesterday on yesterday's show of what this team looks like
if you don't have George Pickens.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
I know that's one of the reasons why I'd be
interested in bringing them back Williams. He's not close to
the player Pickens is, But if you're gonna make a
Pickens trade, I think that makes it a little more
palatable as a big ball winner outside the numbers, or
maybe Williams a shot. I don't know, you know, but
at least it's one other thing to have looming if
you're going to move on from Pickens. You know, yeah,
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because we saw it last year. I mean, like, oh, okay,
they traded Deontae, but they're gonna make a deal. They'll
add somebody. Oh they'll add somebody. Oh they're getting you go, They're.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Getta add You know, you can't count on those deals
are definitely gonna happen. No music like they thought initially
had scheduled a visit with Mike Williams free agency, right right,
he was exposed to He was supposed to come to Pittsburgh,
but he was going to New York first, and New
York didn't let him get out of the building right right,
Like they made that happens in free agency, there's always guaranteed.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Right, you can get the short end of the stick. Yeah,
there was a time, not that I had great sources
or you know, was sitting there with Omar when the
deal was made. I thought Ayuk was going to be
a Steeler, you know. I mean we hovered around that
forever and it almost got to be laughable. Oh okay,
let's talk about Ayuchmoor. But I think that was pretty real,
you know, Yeah, all their interest was real. Yeah, I
mean I think Christian Kirk would have been a Steeler,
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but he got hurt at the wrong time. You know.
Some of it's bad luck.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Yeah, and I know you like yesterday you said when
we did the mock draftle maybe they go, maybe they've
signed Christian Kirk. Well, first of all, Christian Kirk's not
a free agent.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Oh isn't he?
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Okay, they would have to cut him.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
He must have a bad deal or what that.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Maybe he's making a lot of money and yeah, they
really weren't using That's why they were going to trade him. Yeah, yeah,
because you know.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
That Thomas was coming on strong. Yeah, okay, so he
may not even hit the market.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Yeah, maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. And he's coming
off a major injury now, right.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Right, right, So the free agent receiver crop isn't as
good as.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
It usually is. It's not great, No, it's not great.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
It's top heavy. And there are dudes like Adams. Yeah,
that'll get cut. Yeah, I think there's guys you can
trade for cop Metcalf you want to, right, riek, you know,
I mean, and then there's some dudes that a year
ago had a lot better stock than they do now
they're hitting free agency, like a Digs or an Amari Cooper.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
You know, like, I don't know what those are your answers, Yeah,
you're you're kind of rolling the dice there on some
guys who, quite frankly, are probably Mike Williams.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Like yeah, exactly, they'll probably sign a one year deal,
prove it. That might fall off a cliff, or they
might come back. I mean he trust.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
The Jets took a flyer last year, ten million dollar
flyer on Mike Williams that he would be he would
be fine coming back off the knee injury, and took
him some time.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Some time. Yeah, and then when Adams showed up, he
was really pushed down the chart.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
There, right, Rogers wants to throw to his guys. So
you got obviously T Higgins, right, Chris Godwin, who's both of.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Them will be wonderful, but you're gonna be fighting a
lot of teams for him.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Godwin's coming off a pretty serious injury as well.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
You know, great year inside, outside, versatile, but that wasn't
just an injury. It wasn't just a broken ankle. It
was a dislocated broken ankle.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
That's yeah, more than just more than just chack a
cast on in six weeks, you're fine.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Yeah, you got a Marii Cooper who's now thirty.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
He's bouncing around like crazy, and I'll be playing for
the Bills at this point.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Stefan Diggs. So you mentioned DeAndre Hopkins. I mean right,
they have got him the trade deadline. They obviously showed
not a lot of interest there.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
I don't think his stock's gone up since the Cheeps grab. Really,
he doesn't get he's got. It's a side note. It's
a bit of a theme here that a lot of
these guys, except for Devonte Adams that got traded at
the deadline, including Williams, aren't being used all that much. Yeah,
it's it's hard for receivers that goes back to the room.
Wilson conversation to get on moving trains.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Well, somebody asked me that, you know, a question regarding
something like that on the message or the comments on YouTube,
and you know, I said, look, it's it's easier for veteran.
There are certain positions and allow you to jump on
a quote unquote moving train easier running back.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
A lot of the defensive I say, most of the defense, yeah,
because you're just asked to do a job. If you're
part of the passing game, it's a little different. If
you're an offensive lineman, Okay, you got to you know,
if you're a tackle, you got to deal with a
guy who's next to you and know that you know
that kind of stuff, and those guys don't get moved
around very much, not very much, so you're just blocking
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the guy in front of you. But if you're part
of the passing game, that's tough.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
How do I break my route off? You know what?
Do I read this coverage the same? Because the other thing,
too is Okay, you blow a block, it's a sack,
and that's terrible. Blow a route, it's an interception, and
maybe a pick six and that's worse.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
That's terrible. Quarter Quarterbacks don't like that. Offensive coordinators don't
like that. Head coaches really don't.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Really don't like it. And it doesn't help you win.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
No, it does not help you to win. So that's
that's the thing. And if you're a veteran guy, you
might be ab Okay, the terminology, I know what I
need to do, but the terminology is a little bit different.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
I mean, I'm sure Adams and Roberts Rogers had no problem.
They just go back to falling lockstep and Adams was
staying in his house and I'm sure they're talking routes
all the time. These other guys didn't really make an impact,
and their snap counts are a lot lower than you
think Ury Hopkins.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
It's the same thing with I mean, Roman Wilson was
even farther behind right right on that because he'd never
done any of it before. So you know, you have
to understand them that doing that at mid season doesn't
always necessarily work out. Marquise Brown is going to be
a free agent. We didn't get to see a lot
of him this year.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
I think he's a good player. I just don't want
any more small guys. I really do think Wilson and
Austin are keepers are definitely going to be in the mix.
You know, they're gonna be on the roster.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Darius Slayton's going to be out there.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
It's not bad, you know, like he would have been
a fine trade target too, and you know, maybe throwing
a year out there. These aren't and we get to
the point now where they're not huge difference makers, but
they're better than what you got type of guys.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
And people might look at Darius Slayton hit four season
of at least seven hundred receiving yards in fifteen yards
per catch over his first five years with the Giants.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Right right in bad situation, right with.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Bad quarterback play. Keenan Allen's going to be out there.
That doesn't excite me. He's just another He's another slot receiver.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Yeah, I mean, I think he's probably better at the
stage of his career than Hopkins or maybe a Maari,
but he's only a slot yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
And Deontay Johnson, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
That's not going to happen. I don't know who's going
to sign it.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
And then and then these are Pro football focuses rankings.
Number ten guys Mike Williams.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
So getting into that situation. Yeah, right now, there's plenty
of the trade for right. I mean, we could go
through every team and find.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
And there'll be some guys cut Adams, Adams, you know,
but there's a lot of.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
And this draftsund is.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Great, it's not. And so you get to be a
tough year to trade Pickens. Someone still get better in
that room, yeah, you know, and get better. You know,
how do you get better? Well, I don't know that
trading Pickens makes you better.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
What makes you better is you roll with what you
got and you draft the Ohio State kid in the
first round. You know now that there might be more
to that though, you know. I mean there's a reason
that he's being thrown out there as a trade candidate. Yeah,
I mean something like that is how you get better,
or you signed DeVante Adams or you know. But that's
not gonna be easy. No, you can't just count on that.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
But what I don't expect is for them to. I
think you're going to see a lot of turnover in
that room, like you saw coming from the previous season,
where again you had Pickens. By the time the season
rolled around, you pickings in Austin where you're only two holdovers. Yeah,
and everybody else was new. I again, I'd be interested
in bringing Scoronic back.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
But Jefferson and Miller are probably last minute calls. When
somebody gets hurt, they'll out there types.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Right, guys, you take the camp and see they're not
guaranteed a spot.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Yeah, I mean, if Austin were to get hurt, you
call one of them up or whatever.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
But yeah, yeah, I'm the depth pieces.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
I don't think they make you better, no, clearly.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Yeah, that's that's kind of where the room is at
right now, and you got to be better there.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Yeah, I mean, now you could hit on a second
round pick or a third round pick.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Two.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
And the more I homework I've done on this receiver class,
I'm warming up to it more. It's not like it's
they're terrible.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
There's on first round guys there that are interesting. Yeah,
but the rest of the rest of the league needs
those guys too.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Oh yeah, they're get scooped up.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
I mean that's the thing about the draft we've talked
about that you can love a guy to death.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
But you know, yeah, you just don't get him, no guarantee,
and it's not a super deep class from what I've
seen so far.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Yeah, absolutely, let's get break. He is the Matt Williamson.
I am Dale Lollie. You're listening to the Drive. You're
on the Steelers Audio Network, Matt and now will be
back with more right after this. At least.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on
your twenty four to seven home of the Black and
Gold Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Welcome back to the Drive. I am Dale Lolli. He
is the Matt Williamson and Matt. There's a chance, a
chance that one of the teams that has never won
a Super Bowl might get a chance to win one
if they win this weekend.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
That would be the Buffalo Bills. Yeah, and they got
a good shot. They got a really good football team
with a great quarterback. And I think it's going to
be a close game in Kansas City, to say the least.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
So there are still twelve franchises, Yeah, who have never
won a Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Yeah, I mean it's pretty crazy. And there's not that
they're all.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Teams right, twenty have won Super Bowls.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
It's pretty crazy.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Are the other leagues that heavy? No, it can't be.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
No, it can't be.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
So you got the Bills, the Browns, the Chargers, the Jaguars,
the Lions, the Texans, the Vikings, the Cardinals, the Falcons,
the Panthers, the Bengals, and the Titans have never won
the Super Bowl. Now, some of them have obviously been
to Super.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Bowls right right right.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
The Bills have been there, the Chargers have been there,
the Vikings have been there, the Cardinals have been there,
The Panthers, the Bengals, and the Titans Fightans.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
So I was just using my fingers for math here,
you know, counting to three real hard. I think there's
only three of those teams that weren't in the league
at the merger. Panthers, Texans, Jags. Now the Browns have
come and gone. Yeah, but then they did before that.
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I mean they had plenty of chances.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
The Titans were the Oilers, so they've been around since
what's seventy and all those teams except for three, and
they're not even all that new Texans, especially Panthers and Jags.
They've had a lot of years to do. It Is
that good for the league?
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Bad for the league. I kind of think it's bad
for the league.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
I kind of did too, Like I was rooting for
a Lion's Bills Super Bowl once the Steelers were eliminated,
because then one of those teams will get it. Awesome
fan bases, they deserve it. You know, say what you
want about the Browns, but that's a dedicated fan base.
You know, they've you know, been behind their team for
a long time. They're not wearing bags their heads and
that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Yeah, it's just a third of the league has not
won a Super Bowl. The Saints have won one. Yeah,
that's that's the crazy. Like when I was they were
the in the eighties bottom, I mean it was the eights.
Now they won one. Yeah, but they won one.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
They won one, right. I wonder what the other leagues
are like comparatively, I mean, NBA, NHL, MLB, let me see,
I bet there's not nearly the percentage.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
I mean, that's day's a little different because they have
so many expansion teams in recent years.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Okay, yeah, I guess there will be a couple that
just haven't had many years to do it. And some
of these leagues go way back before nineteen seventy two.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
I mean, so in the NBA, there are ten active
franchises that have not. The Nets now they've been around
for but they were an ABA team before that, so
that was the seventies. The Charlotte Hornets a new team.
The Pacers another.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
They've been around lifetime.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
It's another ABA team, the Clippers, I don't know any
of the history. The Memphis Grizzlies, they're an expansion team.
The Minnesota Timberwolves expansion team, the Pelicans expansion team, Orlando Magic.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Reasonable, yeah, in my lifetime, the.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Phoenix Suns, and the Utah Jazz. Again too old ABA.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
But there aren't many initial teams. No, and in baseball
they'll be not. In hockey, they'll be done.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
But when you think of the NBA Lakers and Celtics, yeah,
they've won, they've won a bunch of these. Well, the
other teams have all.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Spotten right, at least they've at least gotten there in
one one. I'm sure baseball will be way different because
this goes back one hundred.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
And fifty years now. Hockey there were six teams to start.
I'm sure all those have won the COP. So the
five major League Baseball teams who have not won the
World Series of the Colorado Rockies, yeah, the Milwaukee Brewers,
now they've been around my whole life and longer than that.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
The Padres also have been around a long time. The
Seattle Mariners, who were.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
I think they were like around than the Seahawks came around, right.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Well, they've been they've been around even longer than that.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Are they?
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Yeah? Uh in the Tampa Bay Rays and that are
expansion the news. Yeah, I guess that doesn't surprise me.
But still it's not a third of the league. It's
not a third. Yeah, And you know, hockey's.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
I don't know all the histories of something.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Don't consider hockey quite on the level as those three sports.
I know some people do, but it's it's it's a
niche sport, it really is. That have not won the
Stanley Cup. You're looking at ten Vancouver, Buffalo, Ottawa, San Jose, Nashville, Columbus, Minnesota, Seattle.
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A lot of new teams, a lot of new teams.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
I mean those first two were been around my whole
life when I was a kid and knew what I
was talking about.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Yeah, yeah, that that adds up. But the Browns have
been around forever. Lion and pre Super Bowl, the Browns
were the premier franchise in the fifties, the Browns were
the top franchise in the league.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Lions had a stretch pre Super Bowl. You know, there's
some of the teams that haven't made it. Its me,
it's only three of the teams that three to twelve
are not we're not there during the Super Bowl or
you know in nineteen seventy. Yeah, and they're not that
they're not. You know, this is Panthers at least went,
Jags have never been Texans have never.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
The Browns have never been there. Yeah, the Jags have
never been there. The Lions have never been there. The
Texans haven't been there. And that's it. Everyone else has gone.
Everybody else is at least gone Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Any of them multiple times?
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Well, Buffalo is Buffalo, Minnesota, Minnesota's gone, Cincinnati has gone
to multiple.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Yeah, they've all gone to more than two too.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
I mean, like, so there's that hope. Just is it
better to have gone there and not one, yeah, than
to have never gotten there.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Most athletes that I think, but I don't think the
same way they do. The hardest loss of the year
is losing this weekend. At least you get the Super
Bowl hype, you get the two weeks. I don't know
about other sports, but just coaches and players I've been around.
When you lose the championship round and don't get the
opportunity to go to the final game is the hardest one.
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Maybe I'm wrong on that, but that's the impression I've gotten.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
I bring us up Josh Allen. I believe he's played
thirteen postseason games. I would buy that it's the most
by anybody in NFL history, most quarterback in NFL history,
without reaching without even getting to the without getting to
that game, okay, without getting to.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
The Tarkington and Kelly and those.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Guys, they got there.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
They got there, right. The guys are went multiple times. Huh.
I don't think, like, I'm sure Lamar is not gonna
be that far off either.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
He's he's played like eight Yeah, yeah, I mean he's
got a while ago yet.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Yeah. I don't know. Other than the Bills this year,
is anybody knocking on the door? Lions, I guess still
like you project any of the ones. So the twelve
that have a chance next year if they don't go
this year, I'm Buffalo Lions. Maybe the Bengals. I mean
I'm stretching, but they had a long way to go. Yeah,
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I mean these teams aren't like great right now either.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Yeah. I mean, so that's kind kind of the point
of the conversation is it's it's it's not as easy
to get there. And when I think, as some people
seem to think. And I understand, the Steelers have won
six of them, oh I know, you know, and they've
been to more than that obviously, But you hear a
lot of fans, well, we did, you know, we deserve
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a super Bowl?
Speaker 3 (23:27):
You don't deserve anything.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
And it's not like the team isn't trying to get
to the super Bowl. Sure all these other teams. You
tell me the Bills aren't trying to win the Super Bowl?
I say, would you rather be a Bills fan or
a Browns fan?
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Bills?
Speaker 1 (23:39):
I mean they've at least gotten there, right, I mean
in four years in a row. I mean, no one's
had more heartbreak than the Bills. I mean, you lost
that thirteen second game. You go to four in a
row and you get none. I mean that's really rough.
And they've been knocking on the door a long time.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Do they deserve one? Nobody deserves anything, you know, I mean,
you're not like come out of the worm. Deserved to
you know that it goes to Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
It is it is season ending press conference. Mike Tomlin
spelled that out well when he talked about what his
team deserved. We deserve what we got. Deserve what we got, right,
because we need and we didn't play well enough to
win that game. We deserved what we got.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Don't fumble, don't miss a kick, don't you know, throw
an interception, don't get blocked, don't miss a tackle. You know.
Beat the Chiefs. Yeah, I mean all these a lot
of these teams. If the Bills don't go well, beat
the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
The Bills just a few years ago were up. They
scored to go ahead touchdown with thirteen seconds left. Yeah,
and gave up a touchdown.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
I mean it's much a heartbreaker as much of a heartbreaker, right,
I mean.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Forget about the drive.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Yeah right, right, that's just like we got this thing
locked up. You don't know, you don't, right, So are
you rooting? Do you care? I was rooting against the Chiefs.
I personally don't care, but I'm not I would mind
Bill's Mafia to get one. I don't.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
It doesn't bother me one way, or the other who
wins it. At this point, you know, it's okay. Somebody's
going to change the history of their their franchise one
way or the other.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Do I want to see Kansas City win three in
a row? That hasn't been done.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
We've seen a lot of them in the super Bowl
and it's done.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Like a lot of people are just sick of them.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
They are. I know, it's funny. I was listening to
a podcast on the way here, and they're not even
an unlikable team. It's just you see so much of them,
like Andy Reid's doing fumble ruski chef stuff. I mean,
he's the fun guy. I'd love to have a burger
and a beer with him right now. And I know
Mahomes dogs it here or you know, embellishes things. But
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he's easy to root for. He's a fun player. Kelsey's
he got some habits that I hate, and people seem
to hate him all of a sudden. I think it's
more just because he's so good. Jealousy will get you nowhere.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Some of the things that I don't like are the
you know, embellishing, which he admitted this oh yeah week
that you know, I yeah, I probably shouldn't have done that.
Lamar and Allen get away with a lot too. They do.
No one seems drives me nuts about like if the
other team gets a penalty and he starts with the fingers.
You know, come on, man, you get enough calls and
we don't need to do that.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
I just don't think they're an unlikable team, like Patriots
are pretty unlikable. Whenever. You know, Belichick wasn't on ads
doing bundle Uski.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
No, he was not having So we used to do
conference calls with the visiting coaches back in the day.
They would they would have the you know, a little
speakerphone there and you could.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
That doesn't happen anymore, no, I guess it doesn't.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Yeh. No, you could ask the you could ask the
opposing coach questions if from from the media, and I
can always didn't like it. I can always just remember
Belichick when you'd get him on a conference call and
you'd start asking questions and you'd hear papers rustling in
the background, like he had no desire at all to
be doing this. He He's like paying the bills or
whatever taxes or something, scouting reports from the from you know,
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the practices that they illegally taped and things that yeah,
I just wanted nothing to do with. Yeah, and that
was that goes back all the way back to his
Cleveland days, like it was not fun.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
But he's more fun in the media.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Yeah, he's actually you actually see some personality now. So
some of the you know, some of the guys, when
you would get them on those conference calls, would would
be great and I would always make it a point.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
And they're like kind and courteous. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
You could also then go look at the conference call
from your head coach that he had with the visiting media,
and sometimes you would learn more there than you did.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
From I'm sure he treated the visiting media differently at
differently Monday press conference or whatever Tuesday press conference.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Right, you might actually find some things out that he
wouldn't answer, or you'd find you know, maybe somebody in
a in another market had a question about something in
his background and you know, because he played there or
knew this code whatever, so you learned bies or knows right.
So yeah, I mean I understand that the you know,
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they're not likability of the of the Patriots, Tom Brady
is not a super likable.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Dude, especially when it's business business business, and you know,
I mean they were a pretty buttoned up organization. Yeah, yeah,
but the Chiefs aren't. I mean, the Chiefs are. They're
just sick of I think people are just sick of
them to a degree.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
He always wants something new, Yeah, you know, but yeah,
I just think it's going to be interesting this weekend,
if you know, if the Bills can win. There's never
been a situation where two quarterbacks have played each other
in the playoffs four times, and it's been four and oh,
and it's been four and oh. Right now it's three
and oh in favor of the homes and they're they're
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four and four against each other period period.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
He wins in the regular season doesn't win the postseason. Yeah,
it's almost always in Kansas City. I think it's one
of was in Buffalo, right that I should know that
I doubt.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
I wonder when Manning's first four playoff games against Brady.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
He must have won one of them because they played
five times.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
They played five.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Yeah, that's that's the most, okay, And because I just know,
like in this when Manning was like Lamar Allen's age,
he can't win the Big One. That was the Yeah,
he can't win. Oh he's good guy, he can't win
the big one.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Can't win the Big One. I didn't beat the Patriots,
but yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
A lot of other people, right right, Yeah, I mean
that's just the kind of the way it goes when
you you know, you've got this these kind of dynastic
things going on. Oh yeah, you know in the AFC,
basically every year since twenty what twenty eleven, twenty twelve,
somewhere in there.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
It's been a monopoly.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
It's been the Patriots has been the chiefs. One of
those two teams has been in the AFC Championship every
single year.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Yeah, like you can't tell me again, I don't know
basketball as well that Patrick Ewing wasn't capable of winning
a title, or you know someone that was in during
the Jordan era, you know, right, I mean someone in
the East with the Jordan era wasn't in good shape
the win championships. And AFC's as nasty, if not nastier
because the other competitors are brutal.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Yeah, it's been that. It's been a rough go and
I think, you know, again, you have to build part
of the like.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
It bothers me that people say Ben only one two
one two. Rogers has one, Breeze, your point has one.
You know, like, these are a lot.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Of a lot of great quarterback got one, right, some
of them?
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Everyone?
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Right?
Speaker 3 (30:34):
If you just during the Patriot era and beyond Patriot
chief era, how many have to that? Aren't they braid
your Mahomes?
Speaker 1 (30:41):
You think it's just been they've monopolized? Yeah, right, I
mean again, Rogers should have more than one. Yeah, he should,
but that doesn't mean you should take one off braiding
if you look at it even more than that, if
you go from the FARV Rogers era for the Green
Bay Packers, which is even longer. Yeah, one two. They
want to with two Hall of Fame quarterbacks, right, I
guess Manning has multiple Yeah, both Mannings do, I guess.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Yeah, But I don't put you in the same chart.
But I'm just trying to think who has multiple rings
other than Brady and Mahomes.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
There's only, like, like last there's only like twelve guys
who have multiple rings period period. It's a quarterback position,
a back.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Like yeah, going back right, it's not easy, no, right,
And so a fewer teams back then.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Too, Yeah, and you you know you didn't have to
deal with free agency.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Yeah, I mean I always going to kick out of it.
Like if you were the nineteen seventy seven Steelers first
round pick, you may not even see the field, like
who you can knock it out of a starting spot,
let alone even a backup spot. Yeah, you know, your
thirtieth pick in the draft or whatever. Yeah, you may.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
I mean, like look at Donnie Shell's career. Yeah, yeah,
you know, it took Shell several years to finally become
a regular. You know, same thing with like Swan and
Stalwarth their first few years they were early picked. Yeah,
same thing with Bradshaw. Took him for and never out
of the way.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Yeah, leaves in free agency.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Right, you got to You got to earn your your stripes.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
For same with Cowboys and Raiders and Dollars of that
era too, And that's a big reason those teams are
so strong for so long.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Yeah, this is this is different though. You'd think that
twelve teams, twelve teams haven't won the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
I bet Goodell doesn't love that, you know, league officers
don't love that.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Probably not. I mean, you'd like to spread the wealth
a little bit a little bit.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
Yeah. I mean the Chiefs are obviously a very good
marketing tool. They demand eyes. Taylor Swift doesn't hurt, but
would they be happier with the Browns in there.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
It just goes to show, though to a degree, just
how much of a quarterback driven league it is.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
That was actually my next question topic. Is it has
great that Brats are or Stabauch, but it was just
as great to not lose Lambert Ham, Green, Swan, Stalwarth,
et cetera. That you would have lost. I mean they
lost Tyreek, they lost Diggs, they love, you.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Know, but you kept the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Do you think the quarterback's more important now than then?
I think I think it is. It just shows I
mean Brady had a lot of different teammates. I mean
he didn Moss that whole time.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Well again, so when I was in the Hall of
Fame voter meeting in twenty nineteen, now it was and
Richard Seymour was up, and the person who was presenting,
Richard Seymour was talking about that early Patriots run when
they won their first three, the first four years, the
first different and he said, you know, right now ty
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Law is in. We know Belichick's getting in. We know
Brady's going to get in. These are pre grong yeah yeah,
but no other Patriots from that era of winning three
and four years is in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
So what you're telling me then, is that it was
Brady and Belichick and a bunch of slappies who won
the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
I get that argument, but that doesn't mean any of
those dudes were the best players at their respective positions either.
And they contributed to Super Bowls and I think the
sum was greater than the parts or whatever.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
But you see other teams that you know, for example
that the Buccaneers team from really you know, they got
like five guys from one team they won one Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
I know, Like I didn't think Barber should go or
Lynch should go, but Sap and Brooks were pretty easy
ones for me. You know, they were the best at
what they did. But like I think Lynch and Barber
are only in because that one year. Yeah, it was
a great defense, but it wasn't Steel Curtain over six years,
you know that type of thing. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
So anyways, interesting top legacy stuff this time of year.
See if the Bills can break through the glass ceiling here.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
They can drop it to eleven.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Still more than it's still more than any other leader,
right right, yeah, so just interesting. Let's get through a break.
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Speaker 2 (35:00):
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Speaker 1 (35:10):
And we are back. I am Dale Lollly. He is
the Matt Williamson and Matt we get some hirings and firing. Yeah,
lost to Liam Cohen has changed his mind and now
Trent Balki is no longer with the Jaguars and said,
you know what, on second thought, I'll take that job.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
Yeah. Obviously that's the impediment, and I maybe it was
a little too late, but I give the con family
for recognizing it.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
This is the guy we wanted. Maybe people don't want
to work with Balkie. Let's Cohen obviously must have just
said that to him, like, hey, I can't I can't work,
and you know, I'd love to come, but I can't
work in that situation with that guy, and you're probably
going to fire him or move on from him at
some point. I'd rather just be now on. Then I
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know who my boss is going to be moving forward.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
I can help with hiring the general manager as well.
You know from what I understand too, the Bucks. I mean,
I guess he told the Bucks I'll gladly sign that
huge contract they were going to give him unless I
interviewed twice with the Jags, unless they call me back.
And they called him back. They called him back, everybody.
I think they put all their cards on.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
I mean that the Balki firing came really quick after.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
Exactly after his second he left the building. Yeah, like, okay,
you don't even get on the plane. We got to
do right because they got their guy, and it seems
like a good move. We'll see.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
The Texans fired offensive coordinator Bobby Slowick. Now, remember one
year ago, he was hot. One year ago, he was
the hot name. Two years ago you had well, I
can't think of his name now, nicker uh lou An
Arumo was was a name that people he's going to
get a head coaching job. Yeah, two years later they're
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both fired.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
You wonder how many coaches that have gotten highired. If
they had gone back to their same situation, would have
crashed and burned as a coordinator. You know, I mean
Slowak had to get let go. I mean, I know
that they had injuries and I was gonna blame the
old line, but their blitz pick up and pass protection
stuff is all I mean, every one of their linemen
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and their worst year of their career. It doesn't speak
well to this.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
They fired they fired the offensive line coach as well,
but they also got rid of slow four oh line coaches.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
They're one of those teams that have a million coaches,
which I don't understand.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Too many cooks in the kitchen.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
I agree, I'm not sure that's the root of the problem.
But they couldn't pick up a blitz to save their
life all year. And that's like so, and don't tell
me because Dell and Digs are hurt.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
The Falcons hired Mike Ruttenberg, and I don't know Mike
as defensive pass game coordinator. Do you need a defensive
pass game coordinator? I don't even know, Like what there was, like,
all these guys have their jobs throughout the week.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
You know, what's what do all these dudes do? Wednesday
at four o'clock Monday at two point thirty. You know,
like everyone have to have this done by this so
we can go to build a game plan, et cetera.
Not to mention that guy was always interested slash jealous
most of the time. If you walk in at least
the Pit Panther organization. When I was there game week,
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in the middle of the day, unless practice is going on,
it's quiet. There's like me and two other people maybe
roaming the halls, and I'm watching tape because all the
defensive staffs in one room and they're all chewing and
scratching and spitting and smelling, and the whole group of
offensive dives were in the other room and there was
only like six in each room, and they all had
a big say, and everybody would speak up, and of
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course the coordinators carried more weight, but they sat there
as buds and they watched the gate, they watched broke
down Rutgers.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Or what it came up with ideas, right, how they
want to do at.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
Teck If there's sixteen people in that room, though, it's
too many different world right, And that's so a lot
of times the steam delers get criticized because well, they
have one of the smaller coaching staffs in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
And I would always go and look when people would
come up with that criticism, like look around the league,
and I can remember looking one year there was actually
a team that had fewer. There were several couple of
teams that had fewer, but one of the teams that
did have fewer coaches than the Steelers was the New
England Patriots.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
Yeah. I know that Belichick does not approve a huge staff.
He doesn't need assistance.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
I don't need twenty five voices in the room. And
some of this there were teams job I went through
and counted, for example, the Rams staff at that point,
I had like twenty seven coaches. That's one for every
two players on your roster, like.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
An assistant O line coach. Fine, maybe three defensive back
coaches and corners and safeties and maybe you know, but
I don't think you need all these guys and what
all they do? Now, it's funny, I was. I did
a mailbag episode of my DK podcast this week, and
one of the questions was the Steelers need to hire
more people, and I said, no, I think their system
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works just fine. History shows that I would not object
if they wanted to go get an older gentleman that
has been around the league, that has never done anything
with the organization. And this isn't even a Steeler specific thing.
Go get somebody that has never been never made a
dollar from the Steelers as a player, a coach. He's
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never been inside those walls. But he's had great success
on either side of the ball. And he's just a
senior consultant. And when he walks in the door, everyone
knows who he is. Maybe he's got a ring on
his finger, and people would just listen. You know, boyd,
you guys have been picking up the splits the same
way for twenty years. Try this. I hadn't thought of that.
Who even doing the same thing. I think that's good
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for any walk of life. But that doesn't mean you
need six defensive back coaches for four zero line coaches
that can't pick up a blitz.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
Or a pass game coordinator? Right, what does the pass
game coordinator? I don't know.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
Some of the titles get real weird.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
Defensive pass game, not even the offensive pass game. Yeah,
why isn't he your defensive backs coach?
Speaker 3 (41:05):
I know some teams will break up running pass coordinators.
One of them is to play caller, but one of
them installs all the run stuff. One of them stalls
all the past.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Well that's that's so for the Steelers, they had your
offensive coordinator typically handles your pass game stuff, and a
lot of times your your offensive line coach hands lining
the run. He's the one who he's the one that
has to deal with. Okay, here, here's how we're going
to block this up.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
Yeah, don't ask my guys to do things they can't.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Do right, right, right, right, Because again, when you get
too many cooks in the kitchen, yeah, it gets well,
I want this ingredient when we can't do that, we
don't have that ingredient, but I want this. That's not
how this is gonna work.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
It's like the Merrill Hodge story. You know, he goes
to Chicago and they talk about, well, how'd you run
this run? Well, we had DERMANI pool and they're like, well,
I can't do that, and then you can't run. Then
you got a problem, right Ronney Dawson. Yeah, and make
a trade for Rowney Dawson. But I like the Pete
Carroll hiring.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Yeah, Pete Carroll hired by the Raiders. I'm a fan
seventy three years old. It would be the oldest coach
in NFL history.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
Oh really, Yeah, I just think that I have such
respect for Al Davis as mark on the league. But
his last ten to fifteen years were really, really bad,
and nobody ever told him no. And I think that
might be happening New England and Dallas right now. And
I don't think his son took it up a notch.
And I think this year you get Brady involved and
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you get Carroll involved. They have a lot of wins
between the two of them, and maybe you just step
back and say, I recognize that we haven't been doing
this well as ownership for decades. Now you two go
hire young people and quarterbacks and things like that.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
That he change the culture, change the culture kind of
like Washington did. Yeah, we'll see see if it works.
You know again, it's interesting though, that you bring in
an old guy to change the culture. I know, I know,
you know because all I hear as well. You know
that's the old thinking of the NFL. Or you're you're
looking at the you know when I talk about the analyxs, Oh,
(43:08):
you're you're a dinosaur. You're looking at this. No, there's
there are ways, proven ways that things have happened in
the NFL that don't go away.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
We've talked about some trends of these teams that are
still alive, running.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
Them all over, running the ball and playing defense still
matters in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
Yeah, and turnovers and you know, not beating yourself, and
the kicking game and the finer points of it, blocking
and tackling and Chuck Mole stuff.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
That stuff is never going to change.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
And that's never going to change. I mean the other
fluff will change.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
But which brings me back around to the Bobby Slowis
of the league. They're the hot new he's a hot
new name, and now he's out of a job.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
Yeah, a job. I mean, he'll be a quarterbacks coach
or something.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
Ben Johnson just got hired by the Chicago Bears and
goes into his you know, in his press conference and
starts talking about, you know, we're you know, we've got
three teams that made to the playoffs in our division. Well,
guess what, Ben, your team, this team that you're now
the head of, wasn't one of them. In three years
from now, If that's still the case, we're not going
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to be here either.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
No, no, And that's one of the things about Jacksonville.
At least give him some credit with the cons. Now,
what's his face aside the former Ohio state coach. It's
on TV.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
Now, that was a big mistake.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
That was a big mistake. But they're at least pretty
patient with their dudes, you know, like they're gonna I
think they'll give Cohen a couple years because there's been
a lot of bad years in Jacksonville, but they're not
super reactive in terms of Okay, we at least have
a plan that's always worked. Yeah, I'm really interested with
how what Carol hires. Does he hire a name that
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wink wink might be my successor in a year or two.
You know, they come much longer.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
He's got a three year contract with a team option
for the fourth, so.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
I can't imagine he's gonna be here in twenty twenty
seven or twenty eight. Though he's got a lot of energy.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
He's a pretty spry YEA, Yeah, dude, he is. So
we'll see how that works out. But you know, you
get some young guys coming in, you got some old
guys coming in. Doesn't mean either team is right or wrong.
But you know, when you hire a guy who's been
there like that and had success, at least you have
a better idea of like, Okay, when he gets in
those situation where you know, we're down four points here
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late in the game with four minutes left, he's okay,
does he kick a field goal? Or does he go
for it's fourth and eight? Here you go for the touchdown.
He's been in those situations before. Yeah, he's not just
the offensive coordinator going well, you know in this situation,
I you know, I don't know if our defense can
stop him or not. At Carrolls of the world have done.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
Yes, yeah, yeah, all that stuff. I say that all
the time. There's a lot of coordinators masquerading as head
coaches right now, like Indianapolis. Do we know he's a
had good head coach? He's good in good offensive mind,
that's why he was hired. Yeah. If he can't develop quarterback,
then what what do I need you for? And I
do believe there's probably fifty human beings walking the planet
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right now that truly know how to win in the NFL,
and some of them are Bill Parcells and Jimmy Johnson
that aren't interested in doing it anymore Joe Gibbs or
Tom Moore or someone like that who's right eighty five
years old and serving as a consultant. And Tom wins
one of them, by the way, folks, you know that
understands the whole job of being an NFL head coach
and can consistently win John Payton's want of them. You know,
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Carrol's one of them. You know, there's a lot as
many as you think.
Speaker 1 (46:24):
Yeah, anyways, that's that's gonna do it for our number
one of the drive here on the Steelers Audio Network.
Matt and I will be back with our number two
right after this
At least.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on
your twenty four to seven home of the Black and
Gold Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Welcome to the Drive. I am Dale LOLLI he is
the Matt Williamson. And well it is a lovely Friday
out there. Yeah, soun's out ball me right right right,
that's clear, sons out.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
You can't complain.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
I want to wear shorts today. I thought about it. Yeah,
I knew you would, uh, But anyways, it's a conference
championship weekend. Yeah, lost of going on going on around
the league, hirings, firings, yeah yeah, all that good stuff.
But I wanted to dig in today, Matt with I
did my third position review, No, okay, I can drop
up today on Steelers dot Com. That was looking at
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the team's wide receivers, gotcha, okay. And this was an
interesting one because if you look at it going into you,
at this time last year, the Steelers had under contract
George Pickens, Calvin Austin, Deontay Johnson, Okay, free agency at
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this time season, that's what they had under contract. And
when they came out of all this stuff, they obviously
traded Deontay Johnson to get to get Dante Jackson swaped
some draft picks there. Yeah, so you had the two holdovers,
George Pickens and Calvin Austin, and then the off you know,
over the course of the year they added Van Jefferson,
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Mike Williams, Benscronic, Scottie Miller, Roman Wilson, and really when
you look at the position, the only two guys who
kind of fulfilled their expectations. Yeah, George Pickens and Calvin Austin.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Yeah, the guys drafted that you like, you scouted all
along and all that. Yeah, and doesn't mean Wilson won't
that Ronic was a nice addition.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
It was a year ago. At this time, Roman Wilson
was at the Senior Bowl. Mike Tomlin was challenging him
to go up against Mitchell for the against Uinya Mitchell, Like,
you guys are the two best guys on this route,
you know, at your position area, and you need to
go against each other as much as possible. So I
guarantee part of what Mike Tomlin at his exit meeting
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with Roman Wilson this year was challenging him, Hey, your
rookie season pale was not what we expected probably wasn't
what you expected either.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
I'm heading down the Senior Bowl and I remember last year,
you know, yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
And we need you to be that guy because he
obviously against Quenya Mitchell in those situations.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Oh, he had a really good Senior Bowl and he
was come off a national title. I mean, the Michigan
just got a ring, you know, and a lot of
people thought that he was going in the second round.
But I think, you know, he's not the biggest guy
in the world. He looks like he's mostly a slot
and a good receiver. Draft too, I mean, that didn't
help his cause either. He'd probably go higher this year.
So that story's definitely not written. And I don't think
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by any means or you were implying this he's a bust.
He was let down.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
There are people out there to say stuff like that
after one year as a bust, come on.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
As a wasted pick. They just threw that one away.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Get hurt.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
You know, we talked about it all year. So he's
like an incoming rookie, yeah, you.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Know, and really more so than any of the other guys. Yeah,
the guys who file Atano for for sure at least
started a game and played the entire game.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
You know, a full training camp and all that stuff too, right.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
And even the other guys who got hurt at least
got to go through all a training camp.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Yeah, you know, so he's the guy that didn't, right,
and you.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Are bringing in like basically another rookie court receiver. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
So, I mean he didn't even get to play in
the preseason. No, right, right, I'm all going to be
new for him. You've never seen him in black and
gold pads, you know what I mean. So I don't
know that anyone had massive hopes for Jefferson though, or
I thought he would be better than what he turned out,
and I thought he make more plays. I thought he
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would make more plays than he did. Not that he
didn't make some plays, but a lot of times they
just kind of ignored him in the passing game.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Yeah, and you know, out of State wasn't wonderful. And
I mean, he's probably a journeyman that's a number four
receiver that I thought maybe could be a three. I
knew that there wasn't a two on the team, but
I think Austin assured us that he is a three,
which is a compliment.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
That's great.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
I mean, the number three receivers are or not. They
don't just grow on trees. Where Jefferson's a four Williams,
I don't know what to think of.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
But I mean his production with the Steelers was pretty
much the same production he had with the Jets.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Yeah, I mean, it might just be who he is
at this point. I mean, he's not a.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Maybe it's you know, he needed a year to recover
from the knee injury. I don't know, I mean, but
you know, he's thirty now.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
I would consider offering him a league minimum type deal
just to revisit it and see what happens. But he
doesn't help you on teams, you know, nearest Van Jefferson
for that matter, Fourth receivers almost have to help on teams.
That's a big special which is where scaRNA it comes
in exactly, especially if you're not ever going to run
four receiver sets, let alone very many three receiver sets.
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You know, if you live in eleven, Well, my fourth guy,
maybe he doesn't have to be on teams. I have
an extra guy. I don't have a fourth tight end
on game day, you know, available. But Scronic to me
is valuable. Yeah, he's behind the Land and Roberts, but
not many others in terms of free agents I'd like
to bring back.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Yeah, I mean he's he does the gritty work.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Yeah, I mean I remember spending a lot of time
in training camp. This team doesn't have any gunners. Well
he's a good one, yeah, and I can live with them.
On offense here and there. Yeah, I mean he made
when he was out there, he blocks. He again, he
does all the gritty stuff. He's just a football player.
Scottie Miller, you know, yeah, it is what it is,
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a little bit out of him.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
You got a little something out of him again if
you if you bring him back just to you know,
for again a minimum deal with training camp and he whatever.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Maybe he needs an injury to make the team, but whatever.
I mean, you know what he is at this point
and you can live with it. But it's not you know,
I could have thrown them twelve passes a game and
ride into the postseason, you know, right, I mean, he
is what he is.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
But he made some plays last year. Yeah, yeah, you
know in the league next year. You know, the big
thing is is and again we did the mock draft
yesterday on yesterday's show of what this team looks like
if you don't have George Pickens.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
I know that's one of the reasons why I'd be
interested in bringing them back Williams. He's not close to
the player Pickens is, But if you're gonna make a
Pickens trade, I think that makes it a little more
palatable as a big ball winner outside the numbers, or
maybe Williams a shot. I don't know, you know, but
at least it's one other thing to have looming if
you're going to move on from Pickens. You know, yeah,
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because we saw it last year. I mean, like, oh, okay,
they traded Deontae, but they're gonna make a deal. They'll
add somebody. Oh they'll add somebody. Oh they're getting you go, They're.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Getta add You know, you can't count on those deals
are definitely gonna happen. No music like they thought initially
had scheduled a visit with Mike Williams free agency, right right,
he was exposed to He was supposed to come to Pittsburgh,
but he was going to New York first, and New
York didn't let him get out of the building right right,
Like they made that happens in free agency, there's always guaranteed.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Right, you can get the short end of the stick. Yeah,
there was a time, not that I had great sources
or you know, was sitting there with Omar when the
deal was made. I thought Ayuk was going to be
a Steeler, you know. I mean we hovered around that
forever and it almost got to be laughable. Oh okay,
let's talk about Ayuchmoor. But I think that was pretty real,
you know, Yeah, all their interest was real. Yeah, I
mean I think Christian Kirk would have been a Steeler,
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but he got hurt at the wrong time. You know.
Some of it's bad luck.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Yeah, and I know you like yesterday you said when
we did the mock draftle maybe they go, maybe they've
signed Christian Kirk. Well, first of all, Christian Kirk's not
a free agent.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Oh isn't he?
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Okay, they would have to cut him.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
He must have a bad deal or what that.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Maybe he's making a lot of money and yeah, they
really weren't using That's why they were going to trade him. Yeah, yeah,
because you know.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
That Thomas was coming on strong. Yeah, okay, so he
may not even hit the market.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Yeah, maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. And he's coming
off a major injury now, right.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Right, right, So the free agent receiver crop isn't as
good as.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
It usually is. It's not great, No, it's not great.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
It's top heavy. And there are dudes like Adams. Yeah,
that'll get cut. Yeah, I think there's guys you can
trade for cop Metcalf you want to, right, riek, you know,
I mean, and then there's some dudes that a year
ago had a lot better stock than they do now
they're hitting free agency, like a Digs or an Amari Cooper.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
You know, like, I don't know what those are your answers, Yeah,
you're you're kind of rolling the dice there on some
guys who, quite frankly, are probably Mike Williams.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Like yeah, exactly, they'll probably sign a one year deal,
prove it. That might fall off a cliff, or they
might come back. I mean he trust.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
The Jets took a flyer last year, ten million dollar
flyer on Mike Williams that he would be he would
be fine coming back off the knee injury, and took
him some time.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Some time. Yeah, and then when Adams showed up, he
was really pushed down the chart.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
There, right, Rogers wants to throw to his guys. So
you got obviously T Higgins, right, Chris Godwin, who's both of.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Them will be wonderful, but you're gonna be fighting a
lot of teams for him.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Godwin's coming off a pretty serious injury as well.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
You know, great year inside, outside, versatile, but that wasn't
just an injury. It wasn't just a broken ankle. It
was a dislocated broken ankle.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
That's yeah, more than just more than just chack a
cast on in six weeks, you're fine.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Yeah, you got a Marii Cooper who's now thirty.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
He's bouncing around like crazy, and I'll be playing for
the Bills at this point.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Stefan Diggs. So you mentioned DeAndre Hopkins. I mean right,
they have got him the trade deadline. They obviously showed
not a lot of interest there.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
I don't think his stock's gone up since the Cheeps grab. Really,
he doesn't get he's got. It's a side note. It's
a bit of a theme here that a lot of
these guys, except for Devonte Adams that got traded at
the deadline, including Williams, aren't being used all that much. Yeah,
it's it's hard for receivers that goes back to the room.
Wilson conversation to get on moving trains.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Well, somebody asked me that, you know, a question regarding
something like that on the message or the comments on YouTube,
and you know, I said, look, it's it's easier for veteran.
There are certain positions and allow you to jump on
a quote unquote moving train easier running back.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
A lot of the defensive I say, most of the defense, yeah,
because you're just asked to do a job. If you're
part of the passing game, it's a little different. If
you're an offensive lineman, Okay, you got to you know,
if you're a tackle, you got to deal with a
guy who's next to you and know that you know
that kind of stuff, and those guys don't get moved
around very much, not very much, so you're just blocking
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the guy in front of you. But if you're part
of the passing game, that's tough.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
How do I break my route off? You know what?
Do I read this coverage the same? Because the other thing,
too is Okay, you blow a block, it's a sack,
and that's terrible. Blow a route, it's an interception, and
maybe a pick six and that's worse.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
That's terrible. Quarter Quarterbacks don't like that. Offensive coordinators don't
like that. Head coaches really don't.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Really don't like it. And it doesn't help you win.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
No, it does not help you to win. So that's
that's the thing. And if you're a veteran guy, you
might be ab Okay, the terminology, I know what I
need to do, but the terminology is a little bit different.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
I mean, I'm sure Adams and Roberts Rogers had no problem.
They just go back to falling lockstep and Adams was
staying in his house and I'm sure they're talking routes
all the time. These other guys didn't really make an impact,
and their snap counts are a lot lower than you
think Ury Hopkins.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
It's the same thing with I mean, Roman Wilson was
even farther behind right right on that because he'd never
done any of it before. So you know, you have
to understand them that doing that at mid season doesn't
always necessarily work out. Marquise Brown is going to be
a free agent. We didn't get to see a lot
of him this year.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
I think he's a good player. I just don't want
any more small guys. I really do think Wilson and
Austin are keepers are definitely going to be in the mix.
You know, they're gonna be on the roster.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Darius Slayton's going to be out there.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
It's not bad, you know, like he would have been
a fine trade target too, and you know, maybe throwing
a year out there. These aren't and we get to
the point now where they're not huge difference makers, but
they're better than what you got type of guys.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
And people might look at Darius Slayton hit four season
of at least seven hundred receiving yards in fifteen yards
per catch over his first five years with the Giants.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Right right in bad situation, right with.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Bad quarterback play. Keenan Allen's going to be out there.
That doesn't excite me. He's just another He's another slot receiver.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Yeah, I mean, I think he's probably better at the
stage of his career than Hopkins or maybe a Maari,
but he's only a slot yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
And Deontay Johnson, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
That's not going to happen. I don't know who's going
to sign it.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
And then and then these are Pro football focuses rankings.
Number ten guys Mike Williams.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
So getting into that situation. Yeah, right now, there's plenty
of the trade for right. I mean, we could go
through every team and find.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
And there'll be some guys cut Adams, Adams, you know,
but there's a lot of.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
And this draftsund is.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Great, it's not. And so you get to be a
tough year to trade Pickens. Someone still get better in
that room, yeah, you know, and get better. You know,
how do you get better? Well, I don't know that
trading Pickens makes you better.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
What makes you better is you roll with what you
got and you draft the Ohio State kid in the
first round. You know now that there might be more
to that though, you know. I mean there's a reason
that he's being thrown out there as a trade candidate. Yeah,
I mean something like that is how you get better,
or you signed DeVante Adams or you know. But that's
not gonna be easy. No, you can't just count on that.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
But what I don't expect is for them to. I
think you're going to see a lot of turnover in
that room, like you saw coming from the previous season,
where again you had Pickens. By the time the season
rolled around, you pickings in Austin where you're only two holdovers. Yeah,
and everybody else was new. I again, I'd be interested
in bringing Scoronic back.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
But Jefferson and Miller are probably last minute calls. When
somebody gets hurt, they'll out there types.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Right, guys, you take the camp and see they're not
guaranteed a spot.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Yeah, I mean, if Austin were to get hurt, you
call one of them up or whatever.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
But yeah, yeah, I'm the depth pieces.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
I don't think they make you better, no, clearly.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Yeah, that's that's kind of where the room is at
right now, and you got to be better there.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Yeah, I mean, now you could hit on a second
round pick or a third round pick.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Two.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
And the more I homework I've done on this receiver class,
I'm warming up to it more. It's not like it's
they're terrible.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
There's on first round guys there that are interesting. Yeah,
but the rest of the rest of the league needs
those guys too.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Oh yeah, they're get scooped up.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
I mean that's the thing about the draft we've talked
about that you can love a guy to death.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
But you know, yeah, you just don't get him, no guarantee,
and it's not a super deep class from what I've
seen so far.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Yeah, absolutely, let's get break. He is the Matt Williamson.
I am Dale Lollie. You're listening to the Drive. You're
on the Steelers Audio Network, Matt and now will be
back with more right after this. At least.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on
your twenty four to seven home of the Black and
Gold Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Welcome back to the Drive. I am Dale Lolli. He
is the Matt Williamson and Matt. There's a chance, a
chance that one of the teams that has never won
a Super Bowl might get a chance to win one
if they win this weekend.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
That would be the Buffalo Bills. Yeah, and they got
a good shot. They got a really good football team
with a great quarterback. And I think it's going to
be a close game in Kansas City, to say the least.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
So there are still twelve franchises, Yeah, who have never
won a Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Yeah, I mean it's pretty crazy. And there's not that
they're all.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Teams right, twenty have won Super Bowls.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
It's pretty crazy.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Are the other leagues that heavy? No, it can't be.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
No, it can't be.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
So you got the Bills, the Browns, the Chargers, the Jaguars,
the Lions, the Texans, the Vikings, the Cardinals, the Falcons,
the Panthers, the Bengals, and the Titans have never won
the Super Bowl. Now, some of them have obviously been
to Super.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Bowls right right right.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
The Bills have been there, the Chargers have been there,
the Vikings have been there, the Cardinals have been there,
The Panthers, the Bengals, and the Titans Fightans.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
So I was just using my fingers for math here,
you know, counting to three real hard. I think there's
only three of those teams that weren't in the league
at the merger. Panthers, Texans, Jags. Now the Browns have
come and gone. Yeah, but then they did before that.
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I mean they had plenty of chances.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
The Titans were the Oilers, so they've been around since
what's seventy and all those teams except for three, and
they're not even all that new Texans, especially Panthers and Jags.
They've had a lot of years to do. It Is
that good for the league?
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Bad for the league. I kind of think it's bad
for the league.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
I kind of did too, Like I was rooting for
a Lion's Bills Super Bowl once the Steelers were eliminated,
because then one of those teams will get it. Awesome
fan bases, they deserve it. You know, say what you
want about the Browns, but that's a dedicated fan base.
You know, they've you know, been behind their team for
a long time. They're not wearing bags their heads and
that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Yeah, it's just a third of the league has not
won a Super Bowl. The Saints have won one. Yeah,
that's that's the crazy. Like when I was they were
the in the eighties bottom, I mean it was the eights.
Now they won one. Yeah, but they won one.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
They won one, right. I wonder what the other leagues
are like comparatively, I mean, NBA, NHL, MLB, let me see,
I bet there's not nearly the percentage.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
I mean, that's day's a little different because they have
so many expansion teams in recent years.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Okay, yeah, I guess there will be a couple that
just haven't had many years to do it. And some
of these leagues go way back before nineteen seventy two.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
I mean, so in the NBA, there are ten active
franchises that have not. The Nets now they've been around
for but they were an ABA team before that, so
that was the seventies. The Charlotte Hornets a new team.
The Pacers another.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
They've been around lifetime.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
It's another ABA team, the Clippers, I don't know any
of the history. The Memphis Grizzlies, they're an expansion team.
The Minnesota Timberwolves expansion team, the Pelicans expansion team, Orlando Magic.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Reasonable, yeah, in my lifetime, the.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Phoenix Suns, and the Utah Jazz. Again too old ABA.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
But there aren't many initial teams. No, and in baseball
they'll be not. In hockey, they'll be done.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
But when you think of the NBA Lakers and Celtics, yeah,
they've won, they've won a bunch of these. Well, the
other teams have all.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Spotten right, at least they've at least gotten there in
one one. I'm sure baseball will be way different because
this goes back one hundred.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
And fifty years now. Hockey there were six teams to start.
I'm sure all those have won the COP. So the
five major League Baseball teams who have not won the
World Series of the Colorado Rockies, yeah, the Milwaukee Brewers,
now they've been around my whole life and longer than that.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
The Padres also have been around a long time. The
Seattle Mariners, who were.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
I think they were like around than the Seahawks came around, right.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Well, they've been they've been around even longer than that.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Are they?
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Yeah? Uh in the Tampa Bay Rays and that are
expansion the news. Yeah, I guess that doesn't surprise me.
But still it's not a third of the league. It's
not a third. Yeah, And you know, hockey's.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
I don't know all the histories of something.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Don't consider hockey quite on the level as those three sports.
I know some people do, but it's it's it's a
niche sport, it really is. That have not won the
Stanley Cup. You're looking at ten Vancouver, Buffalo, Ottawa, San Jose, Nashville, Columbus, Minnesota, Seattle.
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A lot of new teams, a lot of new teams.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
I mean those first two were been around my whole
life when I was a kid and knew what I
was talking about.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Yeah, yeah, that that adds up. But the Browns have
been around forever. Lion and pre Super Bowl, the Browns
were the premier franchise in the fifties, the Browns were
the top franchise in the league.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Lions had a stretch pre Super Bowl. You know, there's
some of the teams that haven't made it. Its me,
it's only three of the teams that three to twelve
are not we're not there during the Super Bowl or
you know in nineteen seventy. Yeah, and they're not that
they're not. You know, this is Panthers at least went,
Jags have never been Texans have never.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
The Browns have never been there. Yeah, the Jags have
never been there. The Lions have never been there. The
Texans haven't been there. And that's it. Everyone else has gone.
Everybody else is at least gone Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Any of them multiple times?
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Well, Buffalo is Buffalo, Minnesota, Minnesota's gone, Cincinnati has gone
to multiple.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Yeah, they've all gone to more than two too.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
I mean, like, so there's that hope. Just is it
better to have gone there and not one, yeah, than
to have never gotten there.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Most athletes that I think, but I don't think the
same way they do. The hardest loss of the year
is losing this weekend. At least you get the Super
Bowl hype, you get the two weeks. I don't know
about other sports, but just coaches and players I've been around.
When you lose the championship round and don't get the
opportunity to go to the final game is the hardest one.
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Maybe I'm wrong on that, but that's the impression I've gotten.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
I bring us up Josh Allen. I believe he's played
thirteen postseason games. I would buy that it's the most
by anybody in NFL history, most quarterback in NFL history,
without reaching without even getting to the without getting to
that game, okay, without getting to.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
The Tarkington and Kelly and those.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Guys, they got there.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
They got there, right. The guys are went multiple times. Huh.
I don't think, like, I'm sure Lamar is not gonna
be that far off either.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
He's he's played like eight Yeah, yeah, I mean he's
got a while ago yet.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Yeah. I don't know. Other than the Bills this year,
is anybody knocking on the door? Lions, I guess still
like you project any of the ones. So the twelve
that have a chance next year if they don't go
this year, I'm Buffalo Lions. Maybe the Bengals. I mean
I'm stretching, but they had a long way to go. Yeah,
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I mean these teams aren't like great right now either.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Yeah. I mean, so that's kind kind of the point
of the conversation is it's it's it's not as easy
to get there. And when I think, as some people
seem to think. And I understand, the Steelers have won
six of them, oh I know, you know, and they've
been to more than that obviously, But you hear a
lot of fans, well, we did, you know, we deserve
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a super Bowl?
Speaker 3 (23:27):
You don't deserve anything.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
And it's not like the team isn't trying to get
to the super Bowl. Sure all these other teams. You
tell me the Bills aren't trying to win the Super Bowl?
I say, would you rather be a Bills fan or
a Browns fan?
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Bills?
Speaker 1 (23:39):
I mean they've at least gotten there, right, I mean
in four years in a row. I mean, no one's
had more heartbreak than the Bills. I mean, you lost
that thirteen second game. You go to four in a
row and you get none. I mean that's really rough.
And they've been knocking on the door a long time.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Do they deserve one? Nobody deserves anything, you know, I mean,
you're not like come out of the worm. Deserved to
you know that it goes to Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
It is it is season ending press conference. Mike Tomlin
spelled that out well when he talked about what his
team deserved. We deserve what we got. Deserve what we got, right,
because we need and we didn't play well enough to
win that game. We deserved what we got.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Don't fumble, don't miss a kick, don't you know, throw
an interception, don't get blocked, don't miss a tackle. You know.
Beat the Chiefs. Yeah, I mean all these a lot
of these teams. If the Bills don't go well, beat
the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
The Bills just a few years ago were up. They
scored to go ahead touchdown with thirteen seconds left. Yeah,
and gave up a touchdown.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
I mean it's much a heartbreaker as much of a heartbreaker, right,
I mean.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Forget about the drive.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Yeah right, right, that's just like we got this thing
locked up. You don't know, you don't, right, So are
you rooting? Do you care? I was rooting against the Chiefs.
I personally don't care, but I'm not I would mind
Bill's Mafia to get one. I don't.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
It doesn't bother me one way, or the other who
wins it. At this point, you know, it's okay. Somebody's
going to change the history of their their franchise one
way or the other.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Do I want to see Kansas City win three in
a row? That hasn't been done.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
We've seen a lot of them in the super Bowl
and it's done.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Like a lot of people are just sick of them.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
They are. I know, it's funny. I was listening to
a podcast on the way here, and they're not even
an unlikable team. It's just you see so much of them,
like Andy Reid's doing fumble ruski chef stuff. I mean,
he's the fun guy. I'd love to have a burger
and a beer with him right now. And I know
Mahomes dogs it here or you know, embellishes things. But
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he's easy to root for. He's a fun player. Kelsey's
he got some habits that I hate, and people seem
to hate him all of a sudden. I think it's
more just because he's so good. Jealousy will get you nowhere.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Some of the things that I don't like are the
you know, embellishing, which he admitted this oh yeah week
that you know, I yeah, I probably shouldn't have done that.
Lamar and Allen get away with a lot too. They do.
No one seems drives me nuts about like if the
other team gets a penalty and he starts with the fingers.
You know, come on, man, you get enough calls and
we don't need to do that.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
I just don't think they're an unlikable team, like Patriots
are pretty unlikable. Whenever. You know, Belichick wasn't on ads
doing bundle Uski.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
No, he was not having So we used to do
conference calls with the visiting coaches back in the day.
They would they would have the you know, a little
speakerphone there and you could.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
That doesn't happen anymore, no, I guess it doesn't.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Yeh. No, you could ask the you could ask the
opposing coach questions if from from the media, and I
can always didn't like it. I can always just remember
Belichick when you'd get him on a conference call and
you'd start asking questions and you'd hear papers rustling in
the background, like he had no desire at all to
be doing this. He He's like paying the bills or
whatever taxes or something, scouting reports from the from you know,
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the practices that they illegally taped and things that yeah,
I just wanted nothing to do with. Yeah, and that
was that goes back all the way back to his
Cleveland days, like it was not fun.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
But he's more fun in the media.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Yeah, he's actually you actually see some personality now. So
some of the you know, some of the guys, when
you would get them on those conference calls, would would
be great and I would always make it a point.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
And they're like kind and courteous. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
You could also then go look at the conference call
from your head coach that he had with the visiting media,
and sometimes you would learn more there than you did.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
From I'm sure he treated the visiting media differently at
differently Monday press conference or whatever Tuesday press conference.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Right, you might actually find some things out that he
wouldn't answer, or you'd find you know, maybe somebody in
a in another market had a question about something in
his background and you know, because he played there or
knew this code whatever, so you learned bies or knows right.
So yeah, I mean I understand that the you know,
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they're not likability of the of the Patriots, Tom Brady
is not a super likable.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Dude, especially when it's business business business, and you know,
I mean they were a pretty buttoned up organization. Yeah, yeah,
but the Chiefs aren't. I mean, the Chiefs are. They're
just sick of I think people are just sick of
them to a degree.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
He always wants something new, Yeah, you know, but yeah,
I just think it's going to be interesting this weekend,
if you know, if the Bills can win. There's never
been a situation where two quarterbacks have played each other
in the playoffs four times, and it's been four and oh,
and it's been four and oh. Right now it's three
and oh in favor of the homes and they're they're
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four and four against each other period period.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
He wins in the regular season doesn't win the postseason. Yeah,
it's almost always in Kansas City. I think it's one
of was in Buffalo, right that I should know that
I doubt.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
I wonder when Manning's first four playoff games against Brady.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
He must have won one of them because they played
five times.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
They played five.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Yeah, that's that's the most, okay, And because I just know,
like in this when Manning was like Lamar Allen's age,
he can't win the Big One. That was the Yeah,
he can't win. Oh he's good guy, he can't win
the big one.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Can't win the Big One. I didn't beat the Patriots,
but yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
A lot of other people, right right, Yeah, I mean
that's just the kind of the way it goes when
you you know, you've got this these kind of dynastic
things going on. Oh yeah, you know in the AFC,
basically every year since twenty what twenty eleven, twenty twelve,
somewhere in there.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
It's been a monopoly.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
It's been the Patriots has been the chiefs. One of
those two teams has been in the AFC Championship every
single year.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Yeah, like you can't tell me again, I don't know
basketball as well that Patrick Ewing wasn't capable of winning
a title, or you know someone that was in during
the Jordan era, you know, right, I mean someone in
the East with the Jordan era wasn't in good shape
the win championships. And AFC's as nasty, if not nastier
because the other competitors are brutal.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Yeah, it's been that. It's been a rough go and
I think, you know, again, you have to build part
of the like.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
It bothers me that people say Ben only one two
one two. Rogers has one, Breeze, your point has one.
You know, like, these are a lot.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Of a lot of great quarterback got one, right, some
of them?
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Everyone?
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Right?
Speaker 3 (30:34):
If you just during the Patriot era and beyond Patriot
chief era, how many have to that? Aren't they braid
your Mahomes?
Speaker 1 (30:41):
You think it's just been they've monopolized? Yeah, right, I
mean again, Rogers should have more than one. Yeah, he should,
but that doesn't mean you should take one off braiding
if you look at it even more than that, if
you go from the FARV Rogers era for the Green
Bay Packers, which is even longer. Yeah, one two. They
want to with two Hall of Fame quarterbacks, right, I
guess Manning has multiple Yeah, both Mannings do, I guess.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Yeah, But I don't put you in the same chart.
But I'm just trying to think who has multiple rings
other than Brady and Mahomes.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
There's only, like, like last there's only like twelve guys
who have multiple rings period period. It's a quarterback position,
a back.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Like yeah, going back right, it's not easy, no, right,
And so a fewer teams back then.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Too, Yeah, and you you know you didn't have to
deal with free agency.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Yeah, I mean I always going to kick out of it.
Like if you were the nineteen seventy seven Steelers first
round pick, you may not even see the field, like
who you can knock it out of a starting spot,
let alone even a backup spot. Yeah, you know, your
thirtieth pick in the draft or whatever. Yeah, you may.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
I mean, like look at Donnie Shell's career. Yeah, yeah,
you know, it took Shell several years to finally become
a regular. You know, same thing with like Swan and
Stalwarth their first few years they were early picked. Yeah,
same thing with Bradshaw. Took him for and never out
of the way.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Yeah, leaves in free agency.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Right, you got to You got to earn your your stripes.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
For same with Cowboys and Raiders and Dollars of that
era too, And that's a big reason those teams are
so strong for so long.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Yeah, this is this is different though. You'd think that
twelve teams, twelve teams haven't won the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
I bet Goodell doesn't love that, you know, league officers
don't love that.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Probably not. I mean, you'd like to spread the wealth
a little bit a little bit.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
Yeah. I mean the Chiefs are obviously a very good
marketing tool. They demand eyes. Taylor Swift doesn't hurt, but
would they be happier with the Browns in there.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
It just goes to show, though to a degree, just
how much of a quarterback driven league it is.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
That was actually my next question topic. Is it has
great that Brats are or Stabauch, but it was just
as great to not lose Lambert Ham, Green, Swan, Stalwarth,
et cetera. That you would have lost. I mean they
lost Tyreek, they lost Diggs, they love, you.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Know, but you kept the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Do you think the quarterback's more important now than then?
I think I think it is. It just shows I
mean Brady had a lot of different teammates. I mean
he didn Moss that whole time.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Well again, so when I was in the Hall of
Fame voter meeting in twenty nineteen, now it was and
Richard Seymour was up, and the person who was presenting,
Richard Seymour was talking about that early Patriots run when
they won their first three, the first four years, the
first different and he said, you know, right now ty
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Law is in. We know Belichick's getting in. We know
Brady's going to get in. These are pre grong yeah yeah,
but no other Patriots from that era of winning three
and four years is in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
So what you're telling me then, is that it was
Brady and Belichick and a bunch of slappies who won
the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
I get that argument, but that doesn't mean any of
those dudes were the best players at their respective positions either.
And they contributed to Super Bowls and I think the
sum was greater than the parts or whatever.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
But you see other teams that you know, for example
that the Buccaneers team from really you know, they got
like five guys from one team they won one Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
I know, Like I didn't think Barber should go or
Lynch should go, but Sap and Brooks were pretty easy
ones for me. You know, they were the best at
what they did. But like I think Lynch and Barber
are only in because that one year. Yeah, it was
a great defense, but it wasn't Steel Curtain over six years,
you know that type of thing. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
So anyways, interesting top legacy stuff this time of year.
See if the Bills can break through the glass ceiling here.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
They can drop it to eleven.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Still more than it's still more than any other leader,
right right, yeah, so just interesting. Let's get through a break.
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Speaker 1 (35:10):
And we are back. I am Dale Lollly. He is
the Matt Williamson and Matt we get some hirings and firing. Yeah,
lost to Liam Cohen has changed his mind and now
Trent Balki is no longer with the Jaguars and said,
you know what, on second thought, I'll take that job.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
Yeah. Obviously that's the impediment, and I maybe it was
a little too late, but I give the con family
for recognizing it.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
This is the guy we wanted. Maybe people don't want
to work with Balkie. Let's Cohen obviously must have just
said that to him, like, hey, I can't I can't work,
and you know, I'd love to come, but I can't
work in that situation with that guy, and you're probably
going to fire him or move on from him at
some point. I'd rather just be now on. Then I
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know who my boss is going to be moving forward.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
I can help with hiring the general manager as well.
You know from what I understand too, the Bucks. I mean,
I guess he told the Bucks I'll gladly sign that
huge contract they were going to give him unless I
interviewed twice with the Jags, unless they call me back.
And they called him back. They called him back, everybody.
I think they put all their cards on.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
I mean that the Balki firing came really quick after.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
Exactly after his second he left the building. Yeah, like, okay,
you don't even get on the plane. We got to
do right because they got their guy, and it seems
like a good move. We'll see.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
The Texans fired offensive coordinator Bobby Slowick. Now, remember one
year ago, he was hot. One year ago, he was
the hot name. Two years ago you had well, I
can't think of his name now, nicker uh lou An
Arumo was was a name that people he's going to
get a head coaching job. Yeah, two years later they're
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both fired.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
You wonder how many coaches that have gotten highired. If
they had gone back to their same situation, would have
crashed and burned as a coordinator. You know, I mean
Slowak had to get let go. I mean, I know
that they had injuries and I was gonna blame the
old line, but their blitz pick up and pass protection
stuff is all I mean, every one of their linemen
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and their worst year of their career. It doesn't speak
well to this.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
They fired they fired the offensive line coach as well,
but they also got rid of slow four oh line coaches.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
They're one of those teams that have a million coaches,
which I don't understand.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Too many cooks in the kitchen.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
I agree, I'm not sure that's the root of the problem.
But they couldn't pick up a blitz to save their
life all year. And that's like so, and don't tell
me because Dell and Digs are hurt.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
The Falcons hired Mike Ruttenberg, and I don't know Mike
as defensive pass game coordinator. Do you need a defensive
pass game coordinator? I don't even know, Like what there was, like,
all these guys have their jobs throughout the week.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
You know, what's what do all these dudes do? Wednesday
at four o'clock Monday at two point thirty. You know,
like everyone have to have this done by this so
we can go to build a game plan, et cetera.
Not to mention that guy was always interested slash jealous
most of the time. If you walk in at least
the Pit Panther organization. When I was there game week,
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in the middle of the day, unless practice is going on,
it's quiet. There's like me and two other people maybe
roaming the halls, and I'm watching tape because all the
defensive staffs in one room and they're all chewing and
scratching and spitting and smelling, and the whole group of
offensive dives were in the other room and there was
only like six in each room, and they all had
a big say, and everybody would speak up, and of
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course the coordinators carried more weight, but they sat there
as buds and they watched the gate, they watched broke
down Rutgers.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Or what it came up with ideas, right, how they
want to do at.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
Teck If there's sixteen people in that room, though, it's
too many different world right, And that's so a lot
of times the steam delers get criticized because well, they
have one of the smaller coaching staffs in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
And I would always go and look when people would
come up with that criticism, like look around the league,
and I can remember looking one year there was actually
a team that had fewer. There were several couple of
teams that had fewer, but one of the teams that
did have fewer coaches than the Steelers was the New
England Patriots.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
Yeah. I know that Belichick does not approve a huge staff.
He doesn't need assistance.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
I don't need twenty five voices in the room. And
some of this there were teams job I went through
and counted, for example, the Rams staff at that point,
I had like twenty seven coaches. That's one for every
two players on your roster, like.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
An assistant O line coach. Fine, maybe three defensive back
coaches and corners and safeties and maybe you know, but
I don't think you need all these guys and what
all they do? Now, it's funny, I was. I did
a mailbag episode of my DK podcast this week, and
one of the questions was the Steelers need to hire
more people, and I said, no, I think their system
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works just fine. History shows that I would not object
if they wanted to go get an older gentleman that
has been around the league, that has never done anything
with the organization. And this isn't even a Steeler specific thing.
Go get somebody that has never been never made a
dollar from the Steelers as a player, a coach. He's
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never been inside those walls. But he's had great success
on either side of the ball. And he's just a
senior consultant. And when he walks in the door, everyone
knows who he is. Maybe he's got a ring on
his finger, and people would just listen. You know, boyd,
you guys have been picking up the splits the same
way for twenty years. Try this. I hadn't thought of that.
Who even doing the same thing. I think that's good
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for any walk of life. But that doesn't mean you
need six defensive back coaches for four zero line coaches
that can't pick up a blitz.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
Or a pass game coordinator? Right, what does the pass
game coordinator? I don't know.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
Some of the titles get real weird.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
Defensive pass game, not even the offensive pass game. Yeah,
why isn't he your defensive backs coach?
Speaker 3 (41:05):
I know some teams will break up running pass coordinators.
One of them is to play caller, but one of
them installs all the run stuff. One of them stalls
all the past.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Well that's that's so for the Steelers, they had your
offensive coordinator typically handles your pass game stuff, and a
lot of times your your offensive line coach hands lining
the run. He's the one who he's the one that
has to deal with. Okay, here, here's how we're going
to block this up.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
Yeah, don't ask my guys to do things they can't.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Do right, right, right, right, Because again, when you get
too many cooks in the kitchen, yeah, it gets well,
I want this ingredient when we can't do that, we
don't have that ingredient, but I want this. That's not
how this is gonna work.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
It's like the Merrill Hodge story. You know, he goes
to Chicago and they talk about, well, how'd you run
this run? Well, we had DERMANI pool and they're like, well,
I can't do that, and then you can't run. Then
you got a problem, right Ronney Dawson. Yeah, and make
a trade for Rowney Dawson. But I like the Pete
Carroll hiring.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Yeah, Pete Carroll hired by the Raiders. I'm a fan
seventy three years old. It would be the oldest coach
in NFL history.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
Oh really, Yeah, I just think that I have such
respect for Al Davis as mark on the league. But
his last ten to fifteen years were really, really bad,
and nobody ever told him no. And I think that
might be happening New England and Dallas right now. And
I don't think his son took it up a notch.
And I think this year you get Brady involved and
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you get Carroll involved. They have a lot of wins
between the two of them, and maybe you just step
back and say, I recognize that we haven't been doing
this well as ownership for decades. Now you two go
hire young people and quarterbacks and things like that.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
That he change the culture, change the culture kind of
like Washington did. Yeah, we'll see see if it works.
You know again, it's interesting though, that you bring in
an old guy to change the culture. I know, I know,
you know because all I hear as well. You know
that's the old thinking of the NFL. Or you're you're
looking at the you know when I talk about the analyxs, Oh,
(43:08):
you're you're a dinosaur. You're looking at this. No, there's
there are ways, proven ways that things have happened in
the NFL that don't go away.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
We've talked about some trends of these teams that are
still alive, running.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
Them all over, running the ball and playing defense still
matters in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
Yeah, and turnovers and you know, not beating yourself, and
the kicking game and the finer points of it, blocking
and tackling and Chuck Mole stuff.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
That stuff is never going to change.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
And that's never going to change. I mean the other
fluff will change.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
But which brings me back around to the Bobby Slowis
of the league. They're the hot new he's a hot
new name, and now he's out of a job.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
Yeah, a job. I mean, he'll be a quarterbacks coach
or something.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
Ben Johnson just got hired by the Chicago Bears and
goes into his you know, in his press conference and
starts talking about, you know, we're you know, we've got
three teams that made to the playoffs in our division. Well,
guess what, Ben, your team, this team that you're now
the head of, wasn't one of them. In three years
from now, If that's still the case, we're not going
(44:07):
to be here either.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
No, no, And that's one of the things about Jacksonville.
At least give him some credit with the cons. Now,
what's his face aside the former Ohio state coach. It's
on TV.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
Now, that was a big mistake.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
That was a big mistake. But they're at least pretty
patient with their dudes, you know, like they're gonna I
think they'll give Cohen a couple years because there's been
a lot of bad years in Jacksonville, but they're not
super reactive in terms of Okay, we at least have
a plan that's always worked. Yeah, I'm really interested with
how what Carol hires. Does he hire a name that
(44:42):
wink wink might be my successor in a year or two.
You know, they come much longer.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
He's got a three year contract with a team option
for the fourth, so.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
I can't imagine he's gonna be here in twenty twenty
seven or twenty eight. Though he's got a lot of energy.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
He's a pretty spry YEA, Yeah, dude, he is. So
we'll see how that works out. But you know, you
get some young guys coming in, you got some old
guys coming in. Doesn't mean either team is right or wrong.
But you know, when you hire a guy who's been
there like that and had success, at least you have
a better idea of like, Okay, when he gets in
those situation where you know, we're down four points here
(45:18):
late in the game with four minutes left, he's okay,
does he kick a field goal? Or does he go
for it's fourth and eight? Here you go for the touchdown.
He's been in those situations before. Yeah, he's not just
the offensive coordinator going well, you know in this situation,
I you know, I don't know if our defense can
stop him or not. At Carrolls of the world have done.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
Yes, yeah, yeah, all that stuff. I say that all
the time. There's a lot of coordinators masquerading as head
coaches right now, like Indianapolis. Do we know he's a
had good head coach? He's good in good offensive mind,
that's why he was hired. Yeah. If he can't develop quarterback,
then what what do I need you for? And I
do believe there's probably fifty human beings walking the planet
(45:59):
right now that truly know how to win in the NFL,
and some of them are Bill Parcells and Jimmy Johnson
that aren't interested in doing it anymore Joe Gibbs or
Tom Moore or someone like that who's right eighty five
years old and serving as a consultant. And Tom wins
one of them, by the way, folks, you know that
understands the whole job of being an NFL head coach
and can consistently win John Payton's want of them. You know,
(46:21):
Carrol's one of them. You know, there's a lot as
many as you think.
Speaker 1 (46:24):
Yeah, anyways, that's that's gonna do it for our number
one of the drive here on the Steelers Audio Network.
Matt and I will be back with our number two
right after this
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