December 16, 2025 • 43 mins
Matt and Wes take a look at the matchups that took place around the league this past weekend. The guys break down key injuries Patrick Mahomes, and Micah Parsons. They also recap some of the headlines coming out of Head Coach Mike Tomlin's weekly press conference.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Your tunes about drive on your twenty four to seven
home of the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Good evening, Steeler Nation. How we doing well? That's good
us too, our number two here on a victory Tuesday.
As the Steelers take care of business, they move to
eight and six and Matt before we go around the
league here real quick, I do have Chris Adanski, the
Old Buzz himself, tweeted this out. I thought this was
(00:35):
pretty good. The Kansas City Chiefs were eliminated from playoff contention.
We'll get to that here in just a minute. They
will play more meaningless games, meaning eliminated from playoff contention
over the next twenty days than the Steelers have in
the last nineteen seasons under Mike Tomlin. Like that is why.
And I know that. Yeah, we don't care. They went
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to five super Bowls and one three. I get it
what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
I'd rather be the Chiefs, Abody.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
I would rather be eliminated from the playoffs right now
and have won three super Bowls in the last seven years.
But that's still just what. That's just wild.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
It is pretty wild, insane.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
I didn't put two and two together on it, but
I did see the Steelers number going into this game,
you know, two days ago or whatever that in that
many years they've played two meaningless games or something.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
One is that what it is?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
One that didn't one game eliminated from playoff?
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Or they say what you want, but that's insane, folks, or.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
That you had already clinched you know, it could be
a good thing to make like last year the Chief,
the Chief that final week of the season didn't play
anybody less. But that doesn't count as a meaningless game
because you're in the play You get what I'm saying,
like that that does meaningless game is eliminated from playoff?
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Can okay? Okay? In a game where I have no
chance to go to the playoffs? Correct?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Exactly right, exactly right, which is which is just wi
which is just wild. Again, I would I would rather
be the Chiefs. And not being naive, I'm not trying
to be ignorant here, but that's just it's just insane.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Us repeating that does not mean the Steelers are better
than the Chiefs over the last correct.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Correct, nobody is absolutely right, And it doesn't mean you
know that that means that Mike Tomlin is perfect and
hasn't done anything wrong in the last nineteen years. It's
just a crazy status when you think about what you
know what that's been accomplished, and but from a Steelers standpoint,
it's it's really drives home that that model of consistency.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Speaking of the Chief.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Real quick, I wonder if, like, does Kelsey get shut down?
Does anybody that have little injuries at this point, especially
I mean obviously Mahome. Mahomes was fighting that knee for
a while. Yes, and my co host on the Lockdown Show,
we've kind of made the joke because it was his
knee gave out almost exactly the point in the game
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when they were finally eliminated, Like I was compared to
the like Gladiator or Brave Heart or something like is
that knee.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
He right, Wallace finally gets eventually.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
You know, I finally have to that Ligaman can only
hold on for so long.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Right kills Walking Phoenix spoiler alert, it's only been out
for twenty five years, right, and then he collapses and dieses.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
But it was like finally, like I bet that thing
was partially torn and he was hobbling around like crazy
last couple of games, and then finally it was like,
all right, I finally succumb you know.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Well, let's go into that one. I mean, Chargers beat
the Chiefs at Arrowhead sixteen thirteen. Chiefs eliminated from the
postseason for the first time in eleven years. Patrick Mahomes
torn a cl in the process. The biggest question for
me is how does this affect Travis Kelsey's future too?
I mean, the biggest question is where the Chiefs go
from here? How do they alight?
Speaker 3 (03:48):
You know, is they'll talk about that stuff this offseason too.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Totals we'll do We'll do like a state of each division.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Oh yeah, yeah, I could do those blindfold totally.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
But for someone like Kelsey, who was already probably leaning
towards retirement and kind of this being a last run.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
I bet he was done, no matter what.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
I bet he was done, no matter what. But I
also think I.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Worry about or I wonder about Reid.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
It's a great point to make.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
I also think though, because I think we saw we
saw some of this from Jason Kelsey at the end
of his career, and the Kelsey brothers are very similar.
Yeah yeah, and they're both And I'm I don't mean
this as a negative because I'm the same way. But
they both kind of strike me as like shiny silver object.
Guys like look at that. What Yeah, start a podcast,
Let's make it the biggest podcast in sports.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
And let's dive into the deep end.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
You want to go. I'm Travis Kelsey. I want to
go shoot my shot with a famous woman. I'm gonna
I'm gonna attempt to go on a date with the
most famous woman in the world, you know who. Four
years ago, when he was on the podcast like I
really want to go on a date with Taylor Swift.
Think I'm gonna try and make that happen, and then
he goes and makes it happen. Like I could see
him this entire way being like, this is it for me,
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last dance, last run.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
I didn't think you'd be back this year.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
And then he sees his boy mahomes on the ground
and he's like, is this how I really like? This
is going to be the last game that I ever
play in with with Pat and this is how we're
gonna go out, and this is how I'm going to
go out. I could see that changing his mind a
little bit.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
I don't know, maybe maybe maybe they all convinced each other.
Let's do one more run. We were closer than Yeah,
the results happened. I just think he's clearly declining, Oh
for sure, you know. I mean, he's not the superstar
he used to be. Didn't look like he enjoyed the
cold as much as he did, and not as many smiles.
And he's got other things going on.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Just a few.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Yeah, I wonder I worry about or wonder about Reid
and Spagnolo and some of the guys just been there
a long time.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Maybe hang it up.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
I tell you what, all that all that can have
the Only thing that can't happen here, Matt, is that
the Chiefs new coaching staff Mahomes misses a bunch of
time next year, they stink and they draft Jeremiah Smith
and then you and then you get Pat Mahomes Jeremiah
Smith for the last eight or nine years of his career.
That can't happen, all right, that.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Can't let that happen.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Don't let that happen in the script. But how about
the Charger.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
He's ready for opening day though, you think so.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Yeah, he's one of those wolverine like healers, Like, yeah,
I bet he won't do anything in camp and then
we'll be.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Like maybe at least but before the end of September.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Yeah, I don't think it'll destroy next year. For how
about the Daniel Jones A different story and some of
these other you know, achilles are that's messy.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yeah, how about the Chargers though ten and four? Yeah,
we want to make I feel like we've written him
off a few times and they just keep winning games,
still staying right. I want him to stay right in
that five spot, Matt, so that they have to come
to Akroscher Stadium second weekend in January. If the Steelers
can take care of business and win the North.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
I wouldn't fear them at all. Greatly respect their coach
and quarterback and physical nature and toughness to the team,
and I think they're really well coached top to bottom.
They get the most other dudes. But that game, like y'all,
Herbert was pressured on like sixty percent of his dropbacks.
He's got a broken hand and he's overcoming all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
But I keep thinking they're gonna fall off. But they're
going to the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
I mean yeah, at ten and four, they're going to.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
The beating the Chiefs. I mean that's that's pretty much
a done deal.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
One hundred percent. Yea Bears roll against the Browns thirty
one to three. In Chicago, they moved to ten and four.
The Chicago Bears. Browns were a real no show in
this Browns were a real no show. Miles Garrett got
some some of his numbers, and he's now half sack
away from Time's at half sack away from He's at
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twenty twenty one because they're at twenty one and.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
A half one and a half. It's a record.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yeah, so he's at twenty one, so he's a half
one more full sack and he will pass straight hand
in TJ and he's got three games to do it good.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
I mean, he's gonna do it. He's gonna do it, yeah,
and he's playing at that level. He deserves it.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
But the rest of the team has not. Didn't look
super interested for the first time, I thought. I mean
their first first down I think was like late in
the second quarter.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Was cold there in Chicago too, and it's like we
don't want.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
To do their own lines all beat up and wasn't
good to begin with.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
I mean, they rushed for like one point seven yards
per carry or something like that too, like them and
the Raiders were total no shows this weekend. Yes, it's
starting to be a time where you see that a
little more. All the Raiders have been no show for
a while.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Can kunel on three baby yeah, Matt. No help from
the Bengals as they get weird game they get the
shut out twenty four to nothing at home against Baltimore.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
Watching it from Afar, I thought, boy, they're kind of
a no show and must because.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Burrow said stuff, he's not happy.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
And nobody cares. I don't think that's what it was.
I mean, first off, the Ravens are starting to play
a little better and Lamar is starting to look more
and more like himself each week, which is a little frightening.
But the Ravens that concentrated more on them. There's both
their lines of scrimmage are below the line still. They
wanted to start the year. They their past rush. They
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really missed Matabouquet. Their guards aren't very good, so I'm
not super fearful of the Ravens. But they are getting
better because the quarterbacks getting better. But like two things
that really encapsulated that game where a ridiculously high number
of the Ravens plays were explosives and which is a
Bengals defensive issue, you know, like total Henry gets free.
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And they also had a return for a touchdown. I
don't know if you saw it, but the van neyt
picks off Burrow and like ed Reid fashion pitches it
to the safety and it's looked like ray Lewis to
Edrid takes it to the house. But I heard a
stat this morning that was kind of interesting is the
Bengals had like thirty four minutes or maybe even more
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of time and possession, and it's like the most time
of possession a team that's got shut.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Out in like history or something like.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
They just moved.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
The ball over and over and then they like turned
over the last minute and then.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
The defensive on an explosive, you know, like it wasn't
like they were in total no shows.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Like I thought, yeah, that's funny that Ed Reid pitched
to you referenced there, like immediately I thought of reminded
me of last I was laughing action with a Dan
Ski in the press box because he tweeted out Connor
Hayward four carries, four yards and a touchdown, and I
saw it. That's Jerome bettis heritage. Just two thousand and
five Jerome, right there, baby, And he was like, I
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was gonna put that in the tweet, but I figured
all you younger people wouldn't get it.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
I think he had a fantasy day where he had
three carries for three yards and three touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
That's something like that.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
That's two thousand, two thousand and five Jerome heritage right there, baby, Matt.
In one of the crazier games of the year and
certainly of the weekend, the Buffalo Bills come back from
a twenty one point deficit in New England to win
thirty five to thirty one as they deny the Patriots
the opportunity to clinch the East there on home turf. Yeah,
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and their and their ten game win streak too.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
I mean, Allen's numbers don't look like MVP ish from
that game or blow you away or anything like that.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
But his press was, you know, the.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Winter is coming and the Bills in that quarterback are
built to fight the White Walkers.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Man.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
I mean, he just gets better.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
He's like, if you don't get that reference, go watch game,
shame on you. For six weeks.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
He's like Derrick Henry though late in the season he's
the biggest, baddest dude out there and everyone else is
slowing down and he just gets tougher. And I think
this was kind of a wake up moment for New
England too, like they had him or they want him.
They were they were beating him up bad, but they
couldn't put them away. And the Bills are playing. They're
starting to peak at the right time. I saw some doubts,
but they're they're scary.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
I forget who said this. I heard somebody say this.
I don't know if it was on ESPN or some
podcasts or whatever. You know, we both consume a ton
of football stuff, but it made me laugh because it's
something that Arthur Motes used to say all the time.
Do you know the stand up comedian Kat Williams.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Yes, but not well, okay, but.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
He has a joke. He had a really popular joke
in one of his stand up routines that basically, Crysler
three hundred looks like a Bentley until a Bentley pulls
up the side of it, like Christ, Like three hundred
looks like a Bentley.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
That's a pretty till Bentley pulls up. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Drake may looks like an MVP candidate until an MVP
pulls up and Josh Allen is the Bentley pulling up
next to the christ.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
But I.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Say, I think what you're saying it was, it's this
is the top who's been saying that, who's been saying
that for the last month, Much like uh, we were
talking about Aaron Rodgers in the first hour. This is
the time of year that you're thirteen fourteen games into
the season. There's no secrets left. The tape is out
on everybody. Which you do well, where you struggle.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Everything's a little harder to accomplish, a little bit.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Harder to accomplish, weather's a little bit worse.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Your body hurts a little more, your knees bug anymore.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
You know, in the in the inches between true greatness
and just good really get exacerbated.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
I think, yeah, I'm sure if you talk to like
Michael Jordan or whatever, you yeah, they all cruise through
the regular season and the first round of the playoffs,
ratchet up, ratchet up, ratchet up, you know, and Alan
understands that completely, and frankly, now that Mahomes is out,
and maybe even if he was in the most feared
guy in the in.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
The league by fall, Josh is Josh Alt. Yes, he's
the dragon, you.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Know, he is the dragon that the White Walkers are
trying to slay. Something like that. I don't know. Got
go watch Game of Thrones, you knuckleheads. In the Battle
of the Two Franchises, looking at Cancun at MetLife, the
Commanders take down the Giants twenty nine to twenty one.
Jackson Dark getting I mean, he looked alright, but he
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also had to go to the blue tent again. I
just I don't trust him. I I think you and
I would both admit we were both on the same page.
We were kind of out, not kind of. We were
out on him as a first round pick in the
draft last year.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
I've got a million questions.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
The Steelers taking Darden said of Harm, I still don't
think I understand the question.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
I understand the question. I'm still not going there yet
because of Again, for as much good as he shows
two hundred and forty six yard passing the two touchdowns,
he continues to put himself in arms away entirely too often.
A ton and you can you.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Can get still.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Like everybody else, Washington's kind of a disaster though, too, Like,
I wonder how warm their seats are, because that's a
defensive minded head coach whose defense is knowledge the worst
league and.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Old, right and old.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Speaking of worse than the league, Matt, the Raiders continue
to be the worst team in the league, thirty one
to nothing.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
In the fall score. And look at like the plays run.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
I mean it's twenty nine total yards passing for the
Raiders if you include the sack numbers of the four
sacks that Kenny Pickett took.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Yeah, I mean the rushing yards aren't much better. The
time of possession is hidious, the number run plays run,
This was over like yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
The quarter, Oh my gosh, this was over on the
second drive.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Yeah, I mean McKee's playing the whole fourth quarter and
those ones out of the game. This kind of offends
me as an NFL lover and analyst what the Raiders
have been putting on the field the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
I mean it's not NFL quality, No, it really is.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Were we were joking with TV before we started recording.
We always laugh at that, like could Ohio State beat
the Cleveland Browns?
Speaker 3 (15:27):
No, no, no, the.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Browns practice squad would wax yeah, but you know what,
Ohio State might be able to hang around the Raiders
at least not getting boat raised.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
I mean, that's really idiots at this point. It's bad.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Yeah, it's and it's like I told you, and this
is it.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Don't fix.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Like I was getting so many tweets the last like
month or so, get your boy Gino out of there,
get Kenny in there, and I was like, okay, just wait,
just wait. I'm not saying Geno has been good, but
just wait. I think you could put healthy mahomes behind
that Raiders offense and they still wouldn't do much.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
It's terrible.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
It's terrible.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Yeah, I mean they're a distant thirty second.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
In the power distant. And again you could put you
could put twenty seven year old Aaron Rodgers on the
Raiders right now, and I don't think it would get
be better. But I don't think it which I don't
think it would make that much of a difference in
the grand scheme of things.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
They don't.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
I mean, they're the coaching is old too. I mean
they're just doing stuff from ten years ago.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
And I mean even brock Bowers and Ashton genty like
struggling to get those guys the ball. It's it's rough,
Matt another one of these teams, kind of like the Chargers.
I think that you and I a few times have
been guilty of writing them off, and they're gonna come
back down to Earth and all those things. The Jags
continue to win ten and four. Lawrence was a mad man,
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a absolute madman. Five touchdowns for Trevor Lawrence. I decided,
Thank the Lord, at the very last minute, I started
Trevor Lawrence over bow Nicks in my in my big
money fantasy league. And guess who's moving on to the
second round of the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Baby, Yeah, my top fantasy league. I have the best team.
I have the most points. And I played against Lawrence
and like he had like four other dudes that all
did well and I got bumped.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
A tough right, It's a tough business. It's cruel. But
the Jack he's.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Really coming around as a player too, as the best
he's played him and Lee and Cohen are starting to
get each other. I mean they don't even have like
Hunter in the mix. And Kobe Myers has helped them
tremendously at M made a lot of big plays here.
But it's a short sample size, but Lawrence might be
starting to live up to the building now.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
You know, four or five weeks ago, they had that
debacle in Houston where they coughed up that game to
the Texans, and I think we were all like, all right,
here's where Jacksonville starts.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
To thought South.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Yeah, and instead they've round off.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
That's when they played their best.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
When they've played their best, and they are ten and four.
I don't think many legit saw that coming. They are
going to the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Yeah, I don't think they're a Super Bowl contender, but
I mean it's a massively successful season.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
One hundred percent. I think, especially when you mentioned in
the backdrop of losing Travis Hunter and still being a
yeah yeah to ascend as an offense, I think.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
They have some parallels with the Bears. Now, Williams is
younger than Lawrence, but they're both first overall picks. Recently,
sure brand new head coach that's supposed to be an
offensive mastermind. Teams that have not won much, hardly at
all in the last.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
The twenty first century has been.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
Right in both teams really invested in offense, you know,
around the quarterback, and it's working and they're both legit
playoff team, and.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
They're both Yeah, they're both going to be in the postseason.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
And you're pretty dire for a while.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
I don't think they're Super Bowl favorites, but they're also
teams that you wouldn't want to see right now in
a the winner go home situation.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
They're favored in Pittsburgh right now, yes, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Yes, and right on their heels, playing really good football
as well. The Houston Texans, they think.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
I'm to that point.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Denver's pretty darn impressive too right now, so I think
the Texans is the best team.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
He met Mike Fraser in this building. He does afternoons
on three WS.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
I know he is, but yeah, he's.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
A music guy, you know, DJ guy, but obviously a
Steeler fan. I ran into him in the kitchen a
couple hours ago and he goes, all right, He goes,
I don't want to bog you down because I know
you talk about this stuff all the time. But he goes,
give me in twenty seconds, you think the Steelers can
go on a run? And I said to him, I
said maybe, because the AFC right now, I said, I
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don't look around, I said, the only thing in the
AFC that scares you right now is Josh Allen and
the Houston Texans. I think, yeah, yeah, And I said,
but if both of those teams are wild cards, if
both those teams are wild cards, you could play a
couple of games before seeing those guys. Every team is flawed.
But I said to him, I said, I really think
the Houston Texans, Josh Allen is dangerous and the Houston
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Texans are dangerous.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
About Denver's impressive time, I.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Said, you'd have to go to Denver, which is always tough, horrible,
I said, but like you know, there's the AFC feels
wide open. But I really like the Texans, and I
really think Josh Allen is at the right time. Yep,
and the Texans game behind the Jags watch out, but
after starting to zero and three, they're own to the playoffs.
Matt and what had kind of been built is the
game of the week and ended up being a pretty
(20:05):
good one. The Broncos take care of the Packers. Another
massive implication injury ACL injury. It's Michael Parsons going out
in this one. The Packers now losing Craft and Parsons
in the span of about a month to knee injuries
as they Hey, they're still going to be a dangerous team,
but it feels like there maybe Super Bowl status took
(20:28):
a massive hit with the loss, and with the loss
of Michael Parsons. The Broncos keep winning twelve and two,
and now with the Patriots loss, you know, clearly on
the inside track to have that first round by in
the AFC.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
Which is the best home field advantage in my opinion
the whole league. Yeah, especially as the season goes on. Well,
no matter what early in the season, everyone's worn out
just because of the altitude, total and great fans d
Their defense is still as good as it's ever been.
Denver Nicks played his best game maybe as a pro,
and looks like he's turning the corner with the finer things.
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Sean Payton's bringing him along extremely well.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
And you hate it.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
I mean, like I don't want injuries to top players,
you know, and really to me makes the Packers.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
A tier A Tier two team, excuse me, rather than
a Tier one team.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
I agree with you on that, Like they're still there,
there's still a threat.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Yeah, but I think that closed teams out.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
I think that's a good way to put it. They
were in that Tier one. I think they've dropped down
a tier two. Yeah, Matt, clearly in Tier one is
the Rams perhaps the best team in football as they
get an important win over the Lions for them, which
sets up a big one Thursday night against Seattle that
we'll talk playing about.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
It later in the week. It might be about DeVante
Adams probably will.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Probably will be. But they take care of a desperate
Lions team forty one to thirty four.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
And as you can imagine, I've done a lot of
Lions homework and they Lions came out lying in that game.
Same Brown was rolling along. He had a really good game.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Hit twenty four points in the first half.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
I think the Rams are the only team that can
play anyway one. I mean, if you're in takeaway in
my passing game, I'm gonna run it like crazy, vice
versa defense offense.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Here comes Kyron Williams, Here comes Pooka.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
Yeah quarterback. I mean Puka was awesome in this game.
The quarterback coach is as good a combinations or is
in the league.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
And they just don't have weaknesses, you know.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
And Detroit couldn't run on them, and Detroit couldn't stop
the run, and Detroit is a somewhat flawed team, but
they're a desperate team. I mean, we'll talk more about
them during the week, but they kind of It's kind
of reminds me of Patriots bills, where the one team
gets up on You're like, oh, wow, they might pull
off this off, and then the team that's been winning
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a lot lately comes back and takes care of things.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
That sets up a big one Thursday night against Seattle
to eleven and three teams. You'll be proud of me.
I've told you this before, like I choose sleep and
I choose being a dad now obviously more than I
have at any point in my life before. I sacrifice
a lot of my own personal sports and you know,
entertainment and can certain interest to be dad and to
get rest. But my wife was like, hey, Thursday night,
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can we do this Santa thing with the girls? And
I was like, absolutely not. What times it start? Eight o'clock?
Absolutely not, sweetheart, because at eight o'clock you can take
them if you want, But I'm gonna be in the
basement that one of the games of the LA and Seattle. Sorry,
sweet I have to do it for my job.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
It's amazing that's two days away, like today, fields like Monday.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
To me, it's crazy and I'm so funny. I mean,
part of it so because we only slept for about
ninety minutes last night. But the other part is certainly
because of the weird calendar this week and getting on
a plane Saturday to go to Detroit, all that good stuff.
Big missed opportunity for the Carolina Panthers mad as they
fall in New Orleans to the Saints twenty to seventeen.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Who wants to win this out?
Speaker 2 (23:42):
No one?
Speaker 3 (23:43):
All right, it's a miserable division.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
But your boy Tyler Shuck continues to some reason for
optimism there New Orleans. And that's like we've talked about
one of these teams taking quarterback off the board that
could potentially, Hey, we're a long way from April, and yeah, yeah,
fully committing to the Stroulers. He is making a strong
case and we'll get in at least more tomorrow year.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
You know, give me one year, do something else in
the first round and give me a year to see
what I can do.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Absolutely his age, that might be the right move too, you.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Know, totally, totally, And we'll talk more about this tomorrow.
But the draft picture as it relates to quarterbacks starting
to get more clear, as some of those guys have
declared for the draft. Some of those guys have stated
their intentions to return to school. We'll get more into
that tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
Having there's things like Senior Bowl. People were accepting offers
and stuff too. Yes, yeah, I mean it's starting. It's
not far from draft season.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Niners take care of business at home against the Titans.
Thirty seven to twenty four. Wasn't a dominating commanding performance,
but the Niners moved to ten and four, and Matt
maybe most encouraging was I think that's probably the best
that Brock Party has looked all year for San Francisco.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Yeah, Kittle's coming on strong, They're going to the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
They're well coached, Petersall's back healthy, he looks.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
I'm a big fan, But really my takeaway was, unlike
the Raiders or Browns, he's still fighting and scratching, and
their quarterback showing heart.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
And we know they're not talented, but they didn't just
roll over.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
You know. I think of all the really truly bad teams,
I think they've got a chance to not go to
the playoffs next year. Anything like that, but but be
respectful and this time they.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
Might had to be the GM of one of those
terrible teams. Totally sign the titan.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
And like this time next year they could be one
of those six and seven teams that's still in.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
The hunt exactly. And that's huge frogs.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Seven and sixteen that's still in the hunt.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Yeah, you take that and heartbeat A dramatic.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
One in Seattle is the Seahawks win eighteen to sixteen
over the Colts. They really set the Colts back and
in the playoff hunt there Seattle stays in lockstep step
to set up a massive one Thursday night against the
Rams and they just met a break poor Philip Rivers heart,
I mean, it leads them down the statch. They take
the lead with like a minute left and winner what
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could have been a game winner, and that would have
been the story this morning. Forty four year old Philip
Rivers gets to win.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Instead, they're like fourteen point underdogs, yeah right, thirteen and
a half.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Instead, Seattle breaks their hearts and just does what they
have continued to do along with the Rams. I mean,
bona fide Super Bowl contender, one of the best teams
in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Yeah, quietly.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
I think Seattle's offense is they gone a little backwards though, you.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Know Donald little backwards.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
Yeah, running games not as strong as it was, you know,
just amongst the best teams. You know, it's not like
it's bad, but it's not Smith Njigma.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
For one eighty every week and thirty points. The Rivers.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
I hate the lump Rogers with these guys, but he's old.
I mean, Flacco, Rogers, Rivers. They they're just gonna take
those checkdowns, and I think you can be harsh about that.
You know, boys throwing short as sticks or no, you know,
short average of the target and all the stuff I quote,
you know, and stats up. But the league's changed so much.
(26:55):
I think they're looking at it like if you're just
gonna play all this too high and give me lay
up after layup, I'm gonna death by thousand paper cuts
you and just take completions, you know, like I was
taught twenty years ago. They're gonna give you completions.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
To take it. I mean, Brady made a living doing
that for a long time.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Take them funny story for you real quick, Rob King
and I did that Steelers Hall of Honor broadcast Sunday
night and Ben Ben Roethlisberger sat down at the table
with us for like ten minutes. It was pretty cool.
It was you know, talked great things about Pouncy, about
the organization, about his time in Pittsburgh. But when he
sat down, you know, he sits down, he puts the
headset on Ben, how you doing, Congratulations, thanks for taking
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the time, you know, and Kinger goes, Ben, you're looking
in great shape, man, You look you're looking really good here.
And Ben goes, yeah, but don't think I'm gonna do
a Philip Rivers and get like without even without even
teeing them up. Ben goes, yeah, but don't think I'm
doing a Philip back out there. That was funny from Ben.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Same draft class, obviously. Yep.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Last what real quick for you. Philip Rivers took his
first NFL snap when the President of the United States
was sorry, Bill Clinton, I messed that up. I totally
just I screwed that one.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Up, Bill Clinton.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Phillip Rivers took his first college start at NC State
when Bill Clinton was the President of the United States.
That's how long this dude's been playing football. At a highlight, my.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
First year a pitt we played against Rivers in the
tandol Bill Clinton.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Bill Clinton was the President of the United States when
Philip Rivers got his first start at n C State.
Last one, Matt Stick a fork in the Cowboys. They
fall at home Sunday Night Football, thirty four to twenty
six to the Vikings.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
Yeah, and McCarthy might be slightly turning the corner at
least giving so optimism.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Aubrey missed a couple of kicks. Dallas's defense is still
a work in progress.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
It is. They're in a better spot, but they've still got.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
I like where the organization is.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
They've still got some issues. And yeah, hey, maybe McCarthy
again another one of those teams State sticking with their
quarterback could end up being a benefit to the Steelers
in April. But we got plenty of time to cross
that bridge when we get there. There's our laund.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
Nuggeting two weeks in a row, where Pickens effort.
Speaker 5 (29:02):
Was you know, no, never wait that's a thing. Yeah, yeah,
I didn't. I was told I was told best of
this interesting disinterested.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
I was told that was the worst trading NFL history.
It's like people forgot that. Shawn Watson existed. We have
got to get to a break plenty more. I want
to get into some of the important stuff from Tomlin
Tuesday this afternoon, some final thoughts from the Steelers victory
over the Dolphins. As we roll along here in hour
number two on the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio on
the Steelers Audio Network.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
You were tuned about Drive on your twenty four to
seven home of the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
A beefy around the NFL segment there, Matt the cover. Yeah,
but Matt is the road narrows the around the league
gets wider. As the road narrow the conversation gets fatter.
As Uh. That was a beefy segment, but man, we're
we're getting into it. This is a fun time of year.
It's a fun time of year period. You got the
(30:10):
holidays and everything going on. You got the football is
at a fever pitch. College football playoffs starting this weekend.
We'll have some more on that tomorrow as well. But
I didn't want to.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Make sure relevant games as usual.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
It's a good place to be, Yeah, Matt, you know,
you know I'm like as Randy Bauman and has called
me a few times Pittsburgh's foremost mountaineer. Right, A lot
of my happiness, unfortunately lives and dies with WU, which
has been a lot more dying than living over the
last six seven eight years. I say that all the time.
I'm like, I just want to get to the holidays
(30:44):
and have WVU playing meaningful football again. I just want
to I just want to get to the holidays and
have WV playing meaningful games. In late November is the
Turkey's getting carved.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
And easier said and done, easier.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Said than done, and I think this year starting to
feel a little bit different than last year. Let's see
if they can keep that role. And Sunday in Detroit
and that's where we'll start to turn our focus as
the week rolls along. But with this convoluted week, Matt
I did want to make sure to get to some
of the and we touched on harmon a little bit
with a dam ski, but some of the important injury
updates from Tom today at his at Hish at his
(31:18):
news conference. So nothing new on TJ Watt. I think
we could all expect that, But that's one of those
we'll know when we know when he ends up playing,
he ends up playing We're probably not going to get
much of a timeline between then.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
That's just I wouldn't expect an update every five minutes.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Exactly who he's getting closer, who he might go. Oh,
he's not going to go this weekend. It's just going
to be a when he's ready, he's ready. Until then,
we're gonna have to sit and wait. We did touch
on this, but for those who might have missed it
when we talked to a dam Ski Derek Harmon, according
to Mike Tomlin, was quote probably healthy enough to play
end quote Monday night, but didn't want to force him
into action without significant reps and as as away with it,
(32:01):
as and his buzz pointed out to like Mike Tomlin
very confident in his in his wording and his framing
of his availability for Sunday in Detroit, which is huge
against that line.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Right, Okay, good?
Speaker 2 (32:12):
So hopefully, Hey, you aired on the side of caution
and it paid. Hopefully has worked for you Monday night
and will hopefully work in terms of his health and
his status.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
Feel head coach if you lose that game, like you
could have played Harmon, why didn't you?
Speaker 2 (32:25):
In an alternate universe where a chain rushes for one
hundred and twenty yards and two touchdowns, and the Dolphins
possessed the ball for thirty four minutes, you know, and
they and they win. They win a twenty seven to
twenty four type whar you down? Game? Yeah, that is
the That is the tightrope that you're walking in the
National Football League. Well compensated as well, he's well compensated.
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Isaac Sayamalu, unsure of his status after he exited the
game with that tricep injury, expects him to be limited
early in the week and then they'll go from there.
Not a lot of shaker there.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
No, that's better than I thought.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
That's an one of those I wonder if that was
the Dolphins in the divisional round a month from now,
if Saamalu finishes that, you know, if it's if it's
if it's fourteen to three instead of twenty eight to three. Yeah, yeah,
it's and it's you know, divisional round or wild card round?
Does he end up finishing that game that you maybe
that's kind.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Of the way Tomlin phrased it, you know, like, yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Much like the Dolphins did with a chain in New
York a.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
Weekend, right, like we got this thing locked down.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
We got this thing locked up.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
His ros are bogging.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
We don't need to put him back out there. I'm
hoping that that's the status for Sayamalu.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
But there is a ripple effect that, as Buzz mentioned,
you know, like if Pete's not in there and Anderson
has to play left guard and you're the big package,
could kind of go away and you know, correct then
everywhere else.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Yeah, you take some of your some of your tools
out of the toolbox there, which is certainly not what
you want. So we'll keep an eye on that as
we roll along with practice reports throughout the week, beginning
tomorrow on Wednesday. Of course, Nick herbig big one, should
also be limited early this week with a hamstring injury.
According to Mike Tomlin, another We're gonna have to kind
of wait and see. I'll keep and that's a minus
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t J. Watt.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
That's a I mean of both, maybe of neither, maybe
of one. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
And I know that Sunday's game in the grand scheme
of things now is not the end of the world.
It's not a must win for the Steelers any of
that as it relates to the playoff picture. But a
you know, sixty minutes of Jack Sawyer up against Penny
Seoul is not the most ideal matchup for the for
the Steelers defense. And then just what that would mean
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for behind you know high Smith and and and Sawyer
as well. You're already thin there without TJ hopefully herbig
you're without getting good. That a big deal, huge deal
on just Pete still in concussion protocol, So wait and
see with him, hopefully you know, the extra week and
he'll be able to you would hope to get.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
Back unless it's a terrible one, which I hate.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
We just saw CJ. Stroud missed two weeks with concussion protocol.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Usually guys are back by then.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Around around this time period, but that's another wait and see.
And then they are still evaluating James Pierre's calf injury.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Okay, so from that, Samuel did well, but you definitely
like Pierre in the mix and depth. And this is
a team that throws the ball really well.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
And it was kind of a similar you know, when
Mike tom was asked about Dylan Cook and if he
would start again, and he was kind of uncommittal, and
have to wait and see about Pete's status, and it
was the same thing with as Santa Samuel Junior and
Pierre kind of the we're gonna lean. We're gonna lean
on the division of labor throughout the week and see
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how those guys perform and how those guys look.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
Now, I wonder if Pete and Cook are both ready?
Does Cook pass him?
Speaker 2 (35:42):
I think that's not crazy after what we saw last night.
I think that's not crazy. If you want to ride
the hot hand, I think that's that's where two weeks
that's where I would lean right now. That's where I
would lean right now as well. Final break here of
our number two, final thoughts on the Steelers twenty eight
to fifteen victory over the Dolphins. As we close this
thing down on the other side, West Shuler, Matt Williamson,
(36:05):
it's the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers
Audio Network.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
You were two weeks.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
About Drive on your twenty four to seven home of
the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Down the home stretch here on the Drive on a
victory Tuesday. As we've got just some lass teased across
and eyes to die.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
Yeah, too much to squeeze into one show.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Too much to squeeze into one You know you and
I have talked about this thirty segments a week. Sometimes
it feels a little daunting, like when we get to
the middle of June, thirty segments, it would be a
little daunting. Sometimes it's like we could use thirty more
and still wouldn't be still, and still wouldn't be able
to touch you better after and it is always better after
a win without a doubt. And Matt, while we've been
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giving some props, given some flowers, I wanted to had
one more thing on a Sante Samuel Junior. Eleventh different
Steeler with an interception this season on that defense. Wow,
that's impressive.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
That is impressive. That's hard to do.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
That's a big number. Eleven different guys on that defense
with an interception.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
Yeah, that's now.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
I think one speaks to how much they've had to
overturn that secondary.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Right and so they also take the ball away.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
How much they take the ball away, and how much
that is a collective group effort. I know you see it.
You know, you and I both like.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
I want to.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
I don't have my stats in front of me, but
I think this week or last week, En was at
the top of the league.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
So now it would be yeah more so. Maybe we'll
revisit that on Thursday when we get into some stats.
But it really drives home for me, you know, you
and I. I'm not down with the facility nearly as
much as I used to be. I'm down there like
one day a week now. Same with you. Yeah, but
we see it at training camp a lot as well,
OTA's Mini camp. The times like that when we are
around every single day, you see the guys on on
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defense all the time. TJ has a bunch of them
because he gets a bunch of them. But these guys
when they get T shirts or when they get takeaways,
they get certain T shirts in the defensive room, and
they say that.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
Coln's childish, but it still motivates just competition, right.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
TJ walks in wearing the multi Millionaire T shirt and everyone,
I want that T shirt?
Speaker 3 (38:16):
How do I get that?
Speaker 2 (38:17):
The one of the shirts that they all wear that
they get It says the culture takeaways, Okay, and I
think that eleven different players with an interception, that's a
culture of takeaways.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
I mean every year they're the top of the league
in takeaways.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
I mean they're one of the best forced fumble teams
every year, they're obviously the top of league.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
Again, in like batted.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
Passes which often result and takeaway all goes up in
the air, it's pretty easy to pick, you know.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Yeah, some of these eleven different players have been off
of those.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
Yeah, those and it must be ingrained from every coach
on that has to be.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
I mean, I've been in those rooms.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
I wasn't a coach, but the defensive coordinator, the head
coach whoever will just ingrain and to make sure you.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Tell your players.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
Make sure you tell your players, you know, and then
after a while, it's the second nature and rubs off.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
It sure does. I remember twenty eighteen, my first year
back here, you know, in my hometown, doing all this
after I had gotten you know, been working for the
Eagles and the Phillies the previous three years in Philly
and then finally got back here in western Pennsylvania on
the right side of the state where I wanted to be.
That twenty eighteen season was the year the Steelers started
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seven to and one and then failed to miss the playoffs.
She had no lev Bell that year. He had all
the ab stuff. The Steelers really struggled to take the
ball away. In twenty eighteen, and I remember at the
end of the season when they ended up missing out
on the playoffs that being a massive talking point, and
then getting to OTA's and getting to mini camp and
getting to training camp, and how often you heard the
coaches on the defensive staff screaming about attacking.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
Yeah, Like, as.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
You mentioned, there is certainly luck involved. Oh Yase, you
can deflect the pass at the line of scrimmage and
it can go twenty yards backwards and no, that's okay.
It can go six yards backwards and no one's around,
or it can fall right out a TJ Wat's last Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
Or it can just fall to empty space.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
But you could you can also coach it up to It's.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Like they said, it's a culture.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
It's like playing poker, playing blackjack. Yeah, there's an there's
there's just you know, there's car is. There's an element
of chance to it. But there's also some strategy and
some and some process to give yourself the best chance,
the best odds.
Speaker 4 (40:17):
And I think a lot of it starts with pass
rush and you know those type of things too, like
if you're consistently harassing the quarterback ball comes out more.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
You know, last one man, We got like three minutes
here and hadn't mentioned him, And I think he just
deserves a shout because he's played really well the last
couple of weeks but kept it going last night. Man,
I thought Patrick Queen was all over the place, physical, impactful,
consistently see ball, ball near the football.
Speaker 4 (40:43):
Disruptive, and anyone thinks he's one hundred percent healthy, he's nuts.
I mean, he's battling some stuff, but he is flying
around probably playing the best football as a Steeler, I
think so.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
I mean, I think he's developing into a leader by
his actions amp and I'm told in terms of locker
room and the respect, it's it's a it's a good
situation right now for him. Yeah, I'm glad you brought
him up.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
I just you know, we both we both like jot
down notes and all these different things, and we'll get
to some more and some final stuff. I'm sure that
we'll want to discuss tomorrow. But that was one of
the things I had in here, and I just wanted
to make sure he much like Joey Porter Jr. Much
maligned at the beginning of the season, and I'm not
and I'm not saying that those guys were covering themselves
(41:27):
in pies in the beginning of the season. But that's
that's another That's another motest thing is like, I don't
care when you criticize a guy, just make sure you
praise him with that same kind of energy.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
And I think we do that.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
I think we do that. A lot of people don't.
You'll you'll dump on JPJ, you'll dump on Patrick Queen
and then when he has a good game, you say nothing.
I just want to make sure that.
Speaker 4 (41:48):
It does then, like, I'm not writing these guys career
exactly stone that this is what they're going to become.
It's what they are, and it's our job to analyze them.
And I think you're doing everyone the service if you
don't say what you see. You know, like, oh boy,
he's playing really well. Doesn't mean he didn't play great
in week two or whatever.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
Yeah, right, exactly right. It doesn't mean against Seattle in
week two he was an A plus.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
Right on, every game he's been here has not been
as good as.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
These last night these last couple of weeks, when you've
needed him he is. He has delivered, Yes, And I.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
Think they're trending very much the right direction.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
And there's always something to be said for that.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
Yeah, that's big Matt.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Good stuff today, that went fast, quick show Tomorrow Wednesday,
I know we'll do some normal Wednesday stuff. I do
want to go around campus and talk some quarterbacks and
some college football playoff. But we'll have more from this game,
more around the league, catch up with our buddy Chris Hall,
like all that good stuff that we typically do on
a Wednesday. But that will do it for us on
this Tuesday. Thanks to buzz himself, the buzz Saw, Chris
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Adanski Trivia Extraordinary for joining us. Thanks to Nathan for
producing TV, mister TV, our video producer, for keeping us
crisp and handsome on the YouTube, and to each and
every one of yin's for rocking and rolling with us
on this victory Tuesday. For Matt Williamson, I'm we Shouler.
Take care everybody. We'll talk to you tomorrow. As always.
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Good evening, Steeler Nation. How we doing well? That's good
us too, our number two here on a victory Tuesday.
As the Steelers take care of business, they move to
eight and six and Matt before we go around the
league here real quick, I do have Chris Adanski, the
Old Buzz himself, tweeted this out. I thought this was
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pretty good. The Kansas City Chiefs were eliminated from playoff contention.
We'll get to that here in just a minute. They
will play more meaningless games, meaning eliminated from playoff contention
over the next twenty days than the Steelers have in
the last nineteen seasons under Mike Tomlin. Like that is why.
And I know that. Yeah, we don't care. They went
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to five super Bowls and one three. I get it
what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
I'd rather be the Chiefs, Abody.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
I would rather be eliminated from the playoffs right now
and have won three super Bowls in the last seven years.
But that's still just what. That's just wild.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
It is pretty wild, insane.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
I didn't put two and two together on it, but
I did see the Steelers number going into this game,
you know, two days ago or whatever that in that
many years they've played two meaningless games or something.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
One is that what it is?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
One that didn't one game eliminated from playoff?
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Or they say what you want, but that's insane, folks, or.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
That you had already clinched you know, it could be
a good thing to make like last year the Chief,
the Chief that final week of the season didn't play
anybody less. But that doesn't count as a meaningless game
because you're in the play You get what I'm saying,
like that that does meaningless game is eliminated from playoff?
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Can okay? Okay? In a game where I have no
chance to go to the playoffs? Correct?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Exactly right, exactly right, which is which is just wi
which is just wild. Again, I would I would rather
be the Chiefs. And not being naive, I'm not trying
to be ignorant here, but that's just it's just insane.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Us repeating that does not mean the Steelers are better
than the Chiefs over the last correct.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Correct, nobody is absolutely right, And it doesn't mean you
know that that means that Mike Tomlin is perfect and
hasn't done anything wrong in the last nineteen years. It's
just a crazy status when you think about what you
know what that's been accomplished, and but from a Steelers standpoint,
it's it's really drives home that that model of consistency.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Speaking of the Chief.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Real quick, I wonder if, like, does Kelsey get shut down?
Does anybody that have little injuries at this point, especially
I mean obviously Mahome. Mahomes was fighting that knee for
a while. Yes, and my co host on the Lockdown Show,
we've kind of made the joke because it was his
knee gave out almost exactly the point in the game
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when they were finally eliminated, Like I was compared to
the like Gladiator or Brave Heart or something like is
that knee.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
He right, Wallace finally gets eventually.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
You know, I finally have to that Ligaman can only
hold on for so long.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Right kills Walking Phoenix spoiler alert, it's only been out
for twenty five years, right, and then he collapses and dieses.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
But it was like finally, like I bet that thing
was partially torn and he was hobbling around like crazy
last couple of games, and then finally it was like,
all right, I finally succumb you know.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Well, let's go into that one. I mean, Chargers beat
the Chiefs at Arrowhead sixteen thirteen. Chiefs eliminated from the
postseason for the first time in eleven years. Patrick Mahomes
torn a cl in the process. The biggest question for
me is how does this affect Travis Kelsey's future too?
I mean, the biggest question is where the Chiefs go
from here? How do they alight?
Speaker 3 (03:48):
You know, is they'll talk about that stuff this offseason too.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Totals we'll do We'll do like a state of each division.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Oh yeah, yeah, I could do those blindfold totally.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
But for someone like Kelsey, who was already probably leaning
towards retirement and kind of this being a last run.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
I bet he was done, no matter what.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
I bet he was done, no matter what. But I
also think I.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Worry about or I wonder about Reid.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
It's a great point to make.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
I also think though, because I think we saw we
saw some of this from Jason Kelsey at the end
of his career, and the Kelsey brothers are very similar.
Yeah yeah, and they're both And I'm I don't mean
this as a negative because I'm the same way. But
they both kind of strike me as like shiny silver object.
Guys like look at that. What Yeah, start a podcast,
Let's make it the biggest podcast in sports.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
And let's dive into the deep end.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
You want to go. I'm Travis Kelsey. I want to
go shoot my shot with a famous woman. I'm gonna
I'm gonna attempt to go on a date with the
most famous woman in the world, you know who. Four
years ago, when he was on the podcast like I
really want to go on a date with Taylor Swift.
Think I'm gonna try and make that happen, and then
he goes and makes it happen. Like I could see
him this entire way being like, this is it for me,
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last dance, last run.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
I didn't think you'd be back this year.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
And then he sees his boy mahomes on the ground
and he's like, is this how I really like? This
is going to be the last game that I ever
play in with with Pat and this is how we're
gonna go out, and this is how I'm going to
go out. I could see that changing his mind a
little bit.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
I don't know, maybe maybe maybe they all convinced each other.
Let's do one more run. We were closer than Yeah,
the results happened. I just think he's clearly declining, Oh
for sure, you know. I mean, he's not the superstar
he used to be. Didn't look like he enjoyed the
cold as much as he did, and not as many smiles.
And he's got other things going on.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Just a few.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Yeah, I wonder I worry about or wonder about Reid
and Spagnolo and some of the guys just been there
a long time.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Maybe hang it up.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
I tell you what, all that all that can have
the Only thing that can't happen here, Matt, is that
the Chiefs new coaching staff Mahomes misses a bunch of
time next year, they stink and they draft Jeremiah Smith
and then you and then you get Pat Mahomes Jeremiah
Smith for the last eight or nine years of his career.
That can't happen, all right, that.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Can't let that happen.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Don't let that happen in the script. But how about
the Charger.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
He's ready for opening day though, you think so.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Yeah, he's one of those wolverine like healers, Like, yeah,
I bet he won't do anything in camp and then
we'll be.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Like maybe at least but before the end of September.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Yeah, I don't think it'll destroy next year. For how
about the Daniel Jones A different story and some of
these other you know, achilles are that's messy.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yeah, how about the Chargers though ten and four? Yeah,
we want to make I feel like we've written him
off a few times and they just keep winning games,
still staying right. I want him to stay right in
that five spot, Matt, so that they have to come
to Akroscher Stadium second weekend in January. If the Steelers
can take care of business and win the North.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
I wouldn't fear them at all. Greatly respect their coach
and quarterback and physical nature and toughness to the team,
and I think they're really well coached top to bottom.
They get the most other dudes. But that game, like y'all,
Herbert was pressured on like sixty percent of his dropbacks.
He's got a broken hand and he's overcoming all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
But I keep thinking they're gonna fall off. But they're
going to the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
I mean yeah, at ten and four, they're going to.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
The beating the Chiefs. I mean that's that's pretty much
a done deal.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
One hundred percent. Yea Bears roll against the Browns thirty
one to three. In Chicago, they moved to ten and four.
The Chicago Bears. Browns were a real no show in
this Browns were a real no show. Miles Garrett got
some some of his numbers, and he's now half sack
away from Time's at half sack away from He's at
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twenty twenty one because they're at twenty one and.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
A half one and a half. It's a record.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yeah, so he's at twenty one, so he's a half
one more full sack and he will pass straight hand
in TJ and he's got three games to do it good.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
I mean, he's gonna do it. He's gonna do it, yeah,
and he's playing at that level. He deserves it.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
But the rest of the team has not. Didn't look
super interested for the first time, I thought. I mean
their first first down I think was like late in
the second quarter.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Was cold there in Chicago too, and it's like we
don't want.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
To do their own lines all beat up and wasn't
good to begin with.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
I mean, they rushed for like one point seven yards
per carry or something like that too, like them and
the Raiders were total no shows this weekend. Yes, it's
starting to be a time where you see that a
little more. All the Raiders have been no show for
a while.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Can kunel on three baby yeah, Matt. No help from
the Bengals as they get weird game they get the
shut out twenty four to nothing at home against Baltimore.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
Watching it from Afar, I thought, boy, they're kind of
a no show and must because.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Burrow said stuff, he's not happy.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
And nobody cares. I don't think that's what it was.
I mean, first off, the Ravens are starting to play
a little better and Lamar is starting to look more
and more like himself each week, which is a little frightening.
But the Ravens that concentrated more on them. There's both
their lines of scrimmage are below the line still. They
wanted to start the year. They their past rush. They
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really missed Matabouquet. Their guards aren't very good, so I'm
not super fearful of the Ravens. But they are getting
better because the quarterbacks getting better. But like two things
that really encapsulated that game where a ridiculously high number
of the Ravens plays were explosives and which is a
Bengals defensive issue, you know, like total Henry gets free.
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And they also had a return for a touchdown. I
don't know if you saw it, but the van neyt
picks off Burrow and like ed Reid fashion pitches it
to the safety and it's looked like ray Lewis to
Edrid takes it to the house. But I heard a
stat this morning that was kind of interesting is the
Bengals had like thirty four minutes or maybe even more
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of time and possession, and it's like the most time
of possession a team that's got shut.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Out in like history or something like.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
They just moved.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
The ball over and over and then they like turned
over the last minute and then.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
The defensive on an explosive, you know, like it wasn't
like they were in total no shows.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Like I thought, yeah, that's funny that Ed Reid pitched
to you referenced there, like immediately I thought of reminded
me of last I was laughing action with a Dan
Ski in the press box because he tweeted out Connor
Hayward four carries, four yards and a touchdown, and I
saw it. That's Jerome bettis heritage. Just two thousand and
five Jerome, right there, baby, And he was like, I
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was gonna put that in the tweet, but I figured
all you younger people wouldn't get it.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
I think he had a fantasy day where he had
three carries for three yards and three touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
That's something like that.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
That's two thousand, two thousand and five Jerome heritage right there, baby, Matt.
In one of the crazier games of the year and
certainly of the weekend, the Buffalo Bills come back from
a twenty one point deficit in New England to win
thirty five to thirty one as they deny the Patriots
the opportunity to clinch the East there on home turf. Yeah,
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and their and their ten game win streak too.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
I mean, Allen's numbers don't look like MVP ish from
that game or blow you away or anything like that.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
But his press was, you know, the.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Winter is coming and the Bills in that quarterback are
built to fight the White Walkers.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Man.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
I mean, he just gets better.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
He's like, if you don't get that reference, go watch game,
shame on you. For six weeks.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
He's like Derrick Henry though late in the season he's
the biggest, baddest dude out there and everyone else is
slowing down and he just gets tougher. And I think
this was kind of a wake up moment for New
England too, like they had him or they want him.
They were they were beating him up bad, but they
couldn't put them away. And the Bills are playing. They're
starting to peak at the right time. I saw some doubts,
but they're they're scary.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
I forget who said this. I heard somebody say this.
I don't know if it was on ESPN or some
podcasts or whatever. You know, we both consume a ton
of football stuff, but it made me laugh because it's
something that Arthur Motes used to say all the time.
Do you know the stand up comedian Kat Williams.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Yes, but not well, okay, but.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
He has a joke. He had a really popular joke
in one of his stand up routines that basically, Crysler
three hundred looks like a Bentley until a Bentley pulls
up the side of it, like Christ, Like three hundred
looks like a Bentley.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
That's a pretty till Bentley pulls up. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Drake may looks like an MVP candidate until an MVP
pulls up and Josh Allen is the Bentley pulling up
next to the christ.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
But I.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Say, I think what you're saying it was, it's this
is the top who's been saying that, who's been saying
that for the last month, Much like uh, we were
talking about Aaron Rodgers in the first hour. This is
the time of year that you're thirteen fourteen games into
the season. There's no secrets left. The tape is out
on everybody. Which you do well, where you struggle.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Everything's a little harder to accomplish, a little bit.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Harder to accomplish, weather's a little bit worse.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Your body hurts a little more, your knees bug anymore.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
You know, in the in the inches between true greatness
and just good really get exacerbated.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
I think, yeah, I'm sure if you talk to like
Michael Jordan or whatever, you yeah, they all cruise through
the regular season and the first round of the playoffs,
ratchet up, ratchet up, ratchet up, you know, and Alan
understands that completely, and frankly, now that Mahomes is out,
and maybe even if he was in the most feared
guy in the in.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
The league by fall, Josh is Josh Alt. Yes, he's
the dragon, you.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Know, he is the dragon that the White Walkers are
trying to slay. Something like that. I don't know. Got
go watch Game of Thrones, you knuckleheads. In the Battle
of the Two Franchises, looking at Cancun at MetLife, the
Commanders take down the Giants twenty nine to twenty one.
Jackson Dark getting I mean, he looked alright, but he
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also had to go to the blue tent again. I
just I don't trust him. I I think you and
I would both admit we were both on the same page.
We were kind of out, not kind of. We were
out on him as a first round pick in the
draft last year.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
I've got a million questions.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
The Steelers taking Darden said of Harm, I still don't
think I understand the question.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
I understand the question. I'm still not going there yet
because of Again, for as much good as he shows
two hundred and forty six yard passing the two touchdowns,
he continues to put himself in arms away entirely too often.
A ton and you can you.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Can get still.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Like everybody else, Washington's kind of a disaster though, too, Like,
I wonder how warm their seats are, because that's a
defensive minded head coach whose defense is knowledge the worst
league and.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Old, right and old.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Speaking of worse than the league, Matt, the Raiders continue
to be the worst team in the league, thirty one
to nothing.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
In the fall score. And look at like the plays run.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
I mean it's twenty nine total yards passing for the
Raiders if you include the sack numbers of the four
sacks that Kenny Pickett took.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Yeah, I mean the rushing yards aren't much better. The
time of possession is hidious, the number run plays run,
This was over like yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
The quarter, Oh my gosh, this was over on the
second drive.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Yeah, I mean McKee's playing the whole fourth quarter and
those ones out of the game. This kind of offends
me as an NFL lover and analyst what the Raiders
have been putting on the field the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
I mean it's not NFL quality, No, it really is.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Were we were joking with TV before we started recording.
We always laugh at that, like could Ohio State beat
the Cleveland Browns?
Speaker 3 (15:27):
No, no, no, the.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Browns practice squad would wax yeah, but you know what,
Ohio State might be able to hang around the Raiders
at least not getting boat raised.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
I mean, that's really idiots at this point. It's bad.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Yeah, it's and it's like I told you, and this
is it.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Don't fix.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Like I was getting so many tweets the last like
month or so, get your boy Gino out of there,
get Kenny in there, and I was like, okay, just wait,
just wait. I'm not saying Geno has been good, but
just wait. I think you could put healthy mahomes behind
that Raiders offense and they still wouldn't do much.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
It's terrible.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
It's terrible.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Yeah, I mean they're a distant thirty second.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
In the power distant. And again you could put you
could put twenty seven year old Aaron Rodgers on the
Raiders right now, and I don't think it would get
be better. But I don't think it which I don't
think it would make that much of a difference in
the grand scheme of things.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
They don't.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
I mean, they're the coaching is old too. I mean
they're just doing stuff from ten years ago.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
And I mean even brock Bowers and Ashton genty like
struggling to get those guys the ball. It's it's rough,
Matt another one of these teams, kind of like the Chargers.
I think that you and I a few times have
been guilty of writing them off, and they're gonna come
back down to Earth and all those things. The Jags
continue to win ten and four. Lawrence was a mad man,
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a absolute madman. Five touchdowns for Trevor Lawrence. I decided,
Thank the Lord, at the very last minute, I started
Trevor Lawrence over bow Nicks in my in my big
money fantasy league. And guess who's moving on to the
second round of the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Baby, Yeah, my top fantasy league. I have the best team.
I have the most points. And I played against Lawrence
and like he had like four other dudes that all
did well and I got bumped.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
A tough right, It's a tough business. It's cruel. But
the Jack he's.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Really coming around as a player too, as the best
he's played him and Lee and Cohen are starting to
get each other. I mean they don't even have like
Hunter in the mix. And Kobe Myers has helped them
tremendously at M made a lot of big plays here.
But it's a short sample size, but Lawrence might be
starting to live up to the building now.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
You know, four or five weeks ago, they had that
debacle in Houston where they coughed up that game to
the Texans, and I think we were all like, all right,
here's where Jacksonville starts.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
To thought South.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Yeah, and instead they've round off.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
That's when they played their best.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
When they've played their best, and they are ten and four.
I don't think many legit saw that coming. They are
going to the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Yeah, I don't think they're a Super Bowl contender, but
I mean it's a massively successful season.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
One hundred percent. I think, especially when you mentioned in
the backdrop of losing Travis Hunter and still being a
yeah yeah to ascend as an offense, I think.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
They have some parallels with the Bears. Now, Williams is
younger than Lawrence, but they're both first overall picks. Recently,
sure brand new head coach that's supposed to be an
offensive mastermind. Teams that have not won much, hardly at
all in the last.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
The twenty first century has been.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
Right in both teams really invested in offense, you know,
around the quarterback, and it's working and they're both legit
playoff team, and.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
They're both Yeah, they're both going to be in the postseason.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
And you're pretty dire for a while.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
I don't think they're Super Bowl favorites, but they're also
teams that you wouldn't want to see right now in
a the winner go home situation.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
They're favored in Pittsburgh right now, yes, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Yes, and right on their heels, playing really good football
as well. The Houston Texans, they think.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
I'm to that point.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Denver's pretty darn impressive too right now, so I think
the Texans is the best team.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
He met Mike Fraser in this building. He does afternoons
on three WS.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
I know he is, but yeah, he's.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
A music guy, you know, DJ guy, but obviously a
Steeler fan. I ran into him in the kitchen a
couple hours ago and he goes, all right, He goes,
I don't want to bog you down because I know
you talk about this stuff all the time. But he goes,
give me in twenty seconds, you think the Steelers can
go on a run? And I said to him, I
said maybe, because the AFC right now, I said, I
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don't look around, I said, the only thing in the
AFC that scares you right now is Josh Allen and
the Houston Texans. I think, yeah, yeah, And I said,
but if both of those teams are wild cards, if
both those teams are wild cards, you could play a
couple of games before seeing those guys. Every team is flawed.
But I said to him, I said, I really think
the Houston Texans, Josh Allen is dangerous and the Houston
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Texans are dangerous.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
About Denver's impressive time, I.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Said, you'd have to go to Denver, which is always tough, horrible,
I said, but like you know, there's the AFC feels
wide open. But I really like the Texans, and I
really think Josh Allen is at the right time. Yep,
and the Texans game behind the Jags watch out, but
after starting to zero and three, they're own to the playoffs.
Matt and what had kind of been built is the
game of the week and ended up being a pretty
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good one. The Broncos take care of the Packers. Another
massive implication injury ACL injury. It's Michael Parsons going out
in this one. The Packers now losing Craft and Parsons
in the span of about a month to knee injuries
as they Hey, they're still going to be a dangerous team,
but it feels like there maybe Super Bowl status took
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a massive hit with the loss, and with the loss
of Michael Parsons. The Broncos keep winning twelve and two,
and now with the Patriots loss, you know, clearly on
the inside track to have that first round by in
the AFC.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
Which is the best home field advantage in my opinion
the whole league. Yeah, especially as the season goes on. Well,
no matter what early in the season, everyone's worn out
just because of the altitude, total and great fans d
Their defense is still as good as it's ever been.
Denver Nicks played his best game maybe as a pro,
and looks like he's turning the corner with the finer things.
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Sean Payton's bringing him along extremely well.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
And you hate it.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
I mean, like I don't want injuries to top players,
you know, and really to me makes the Packers.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
A tier A Tier two team, excuse me, rather than
a Tier one team.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
I agree with you on that, Like they're still there,
there's still a threat.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Yeah, but I think that closed teams out.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
I think that's a good way to put it. They
were in that Tier one. I think they've dropped down
a tier two. Yeah, Matt, clearly in Tier one is
the Rams perhaps the best team in football as they
get an important win over the Lions for them, which
sets up a big one Thursday night against Seattle that
we'll talk playing about.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
It later in the week. It might be about DeVante
Adams probably will.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Probably will be. But they take care of a desperate
Lions team forty one to thirty four.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
And as you can imagine, I've done a lot of
Lions homework and they Lions came out lying in that game.
Same Brown was rolling along. He had a really good game.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Hit twenty four points in the first half.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
I think the Rams are the only team that can
play anyway one. I mean, if you're in takeaway in
my passing game, I'm gonna run it like crazy, vice
versa defense offense.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Here comes Kyron Williams, Here comes Pooka.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
Yeah quarterback. I mean Puka was awesome in this game.
The quarterback coach is as good a combinations or is
in the league.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
And they just don't have weaknesses, you know.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
And Detroit couldn't run on them, and Detroit couldn't stop
the run, and Detroit is a somewhat flawed team, but
they're a desperate team. I mean, we'll talk more about
them during the week, but they kind of It's kind
of reminds me of Patriots bills, where the one team
gets up on You're like, oh, wow, they might pull
off this off, and then the team that's been winning
(22:39):
a lot lately comes back and takes care of things.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
That sets up a big one Thursday night against Seattle
to eleven and three teams. You'll be proud of me.
I've told you this before, like I choose sleep and
I choose being a dad now obviously more than I
have at any point in my life before. I sacrifice
a lot of my own personal sports and you know,
entertainment and can certain interest to be dad and to
get rest. But my wife was like, hey, Thursday night,
(23:05):
can we do this Santa thing with the girls? And
I was like, absolutely not. What times it start? Eight o'clock?
Absolutely not, sweetheart, because at eight o'clock you can take
them if you want, But I'm gonna be in the
basement that one of the games of the LA and Seattle. Sorry,
sweet I have to do it for my job.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
It's amazing that's two days away, like today, fields like Monday.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
To me, it's crazy and I'm so funny. I mean,
part of it so because we only slept for about
ninety minutes last night. But the other part is certainly
because of the weird calendar this week and getting on
a plane Saturday to go to Detroit, all that good stuff.
Big missed opportunity for the Carolina Panthers mad as they
fall in New Orleans to the Saints twenty to seventeen.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Who wants to win this out?
Speaker 2 (23:42):
No one?
Speaker 3 (23:43):
All right, it's a miserable division.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
But your boy Tyler Shuck continues to some reason for
optimism there New Orleans. And that's like we've talked about
one of these teams taking quarterback off the board that
could potentially, Hey, we're a long way from April, and yeah, yeah,
fully committing to the Stroulers. He is making a strong
case and we'll get in at least more tomorrow year.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
You know, give me one year, do something else in
the first round and give me a year to see
what I can do.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Absolutely his age, that might be the right move too, you.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Know, totally, totally, And we'll talk more about this tomorrow.
But the draft picture as it relates to quarterbacks starting
to get more clear, as some of those guys have
declared for the draft. Some of those guys have stated
their intentions to return to school. We'll get more into
that tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
Having there's things like Senior Bowl. People were accepting offers
and stuff too. Yes, yeah, I mean it's starting. It's
not far from draft season.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Niners take care of business at home against the Titans.
Thirty seven to twenty four. Wasn't a dominating commanding performance,
but the Niners moved to ten and four, and Matt
maybe most encouraging was I think that's probably the best
that Brock Party has looked all year for San Francisco.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Yeah, Kittle's coming on strong, They're going to the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
They're well coached, Petersall's back healthy, he looks.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
I'm a big fan, But really my takeaway was, unlike
the Raiders or Browns, he's still fighting and scratching, and
their quarterback showing heart.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
And we know they're not talented, but they didn't just
roll over.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
You know. I think of all the really truly bad teams,
I think they've got a chance to not go to
the playoffs next year. Anything like that, but but be
respectful and this time they.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
Might had to be the GM of one of those
terrible teams. Totally sign the titan.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
And like this time next year they could be one
of those six and seven teams that's still in.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
The hunt exactly. And that's huge frogs.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Seven and sixteen that's still in the hunt.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Yeah, you take that and heartbeat A dramatic.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
One in Seattle is the Seahawks win eighteen to sixteen
over the Colts. They really set the Colts back and
in the playoff hunt there Seattle stays in lockstep step
to set up a massive one Thursday night against the
Rams and they just met a break poor Philip Rivers heart,
I mean, it leads them down the statch. They take
the lead with like a minute left and winner what
(25:56):
could have been a game winner, and that would have
been the story this morning. Forty four year old Philip
Rivers gets to win.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Instead, they're like fourteen point underdogs, yeah right, thirteen and
a half.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Instead, Seattle breaks their hearts and just does what they
have continued to do along with the Rams. I mean,
bona fide Super Bowl contender, one of the best teams
in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Yeah, quietly.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
I think Seattle's offense is they gone a little backwards though, you.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Know Donald little backwards.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
Yeah, running games not as strong as it was, you know,
just amongst the best teams. You know, it's not like
it's bad, but it's not Smith Njigma.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
For one eighty every week and thirty points. The Rivers.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
I hate the lump Rogers with these guys, but he's old.
I mean, Flacco, Rogers, Rivers. They they're just gonna take
those checkdowns, and I think you can be harsh about that.
You know, boys throwing short as sticks or no, you know,
short average of the target and all the stuff I quote,
you know, and stats up. But the league's changed so much.
(26:55):
I think they're looking at it like if you're just
gonna play all this too high and give me lay
up after layup, I'm gonna death by thousand paper cuts
you and just take completions, you know, like I was
taught twenty years ago. They're gonna give you completions.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
To take it. I mean, Brady made a living doing
that for a long time.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Take them funny story for you real quick, Rob King
and I did that Steelers Hall of Honor broadcast Sunday
night and Ben Ben Roethlisberger sat down at the table
with us for like ten minutes. It was pretty cool.
It was you know, talked great things about Pouncy, about
the organization, about his time in Pittsburgh. But when he
sat down, you know, he sits down, he puts the
headset on Ben, how you doing, Congratulations, thanks for taking
(27:34):
the time, you know, and Kinger goes, Ben, you're looking
in great shape, man, You look you're looking really good here.
And Ben goes, yeah, but don't think I'm gonna do
a Philip Rivers and get like without even without even
teeing them up. Ben goes, yeah, but don't think I'm
doing a Philip back out there. That was funny from Ben.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Same draft class, obviously. Yep.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Last what real quick for you. Philip Rivers took his
first NFL snap when the President of the United States
was sorry, Bill Clinton, I messed that up. I totally
just I screwed that one.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Up, Bill Clinton.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Phillip Rivers took his first college start at NC State
when Bill Clinton was the President of the United States.
That's how long this dude's been playing football. At a highlight, my.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
First year a pitt we played against Rivers in the
tandol Bill Clinton.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Bill Clinton was the President of the United States when
Philip Rivers got his first start at n C State.
Last one, Matt Stick a fork in the Cowboys. They
fall at home Sunday Night Football, thirty four to twenty
six to the Vikings.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
Yeah, and McCarthy might be slightly turning the corner at
least giving so optimism.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Aubrey missed a couple of kicks. Dallas's defense is still
a work in progress.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
It is. They're in a better spot, but they've still got.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
I like where the organization is.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
They've still got some issues. And yeah, hey, maybe McCarthy
again another one of those teams State sticking with their
quarterback could end up being a benefit to the Steelers
in April. But we got plenty of time to cross
that bridge when we get there. There's our laund.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
Nuggeting two weeks in a row, where Pickens effort.
Speaker 5 (29:02):
Was you know, no, never wait that's a thing. Yeah, yeah,
I didn't. I was told I was told best of
this interesting disinterested.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
I was told that was the worst trading NFL history.
It's like people forgot that. Shawn Watson existed. We have
got to get to a break plenty more. I want
to get into some of the important stuff from Tomlin
Tuesday this afternoon, some final thoughts from the Steelers victory
over the Dolphins. As we roll along here in hour
number two on the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio on
the Steelers Audio Network.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
You were tuned about Drive on your twenty four to
seven home of the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
A beefy around the NFL segment there, Matt the cover. Yeah,
but Matt is the road narrows the around the league
gets wider. As the road narrow the conversation gets fatter.
As Uh. That was a beefy segment, but man, we're
we're getting into it. This is a fun time of year.
It's a fun time of year period. You got the
(30:10):
holidays and everything going on. You got the football is
at a fever pitch. College football playoffs starting this weekend.
We'll have some more on that tomorrow as well. But
I didn't want to.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Make sure relevant games as usual.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
It's a good place to be, Yeah, Matt, you know,
you know I'm like as Randy Bauman and has called
me a few times Pittsburgh's foremost mountaineer. Right, A lot
of my happiness, unfortunately lives and dies with WU, which
has been a lot more dying than living over the
last six seven eight years. I say that all the time.
I'm like, I just want to get to the holidays
(30:44):
and have WVU playing meaningful football again. I just want
to I just want to get to the holidays and
have WV playing meaningful games. In late November is the
Turkey's getting carved.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
And easier said and done, easier.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Said than done, and I think this year starting to
feel a little bit different than last year. Let's see
if they can keep that role. And Sunday in Detroit
and that's where we'll start to turn our focus as
the week rolls along. But with this convoluted week, Matt
I did want to make sure to get to some
of the and we touched on harmon a little bit
with a dam ski, but some of the important injury
updates from Tom today at his at Hish at his
(31:18):
news conference. So nothing new on TJ Watt. I think
we could all expect that, But that's one of those
we'll know when we know when he ends up playing,
he ends up playing We're probably not going to get
much of a timeline between then.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
That's just I wouldn't expect an update every five minutes.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Exactly who he's getting closer, who he might go. Oh,
he's not going to go this weekend. It's just going
to be a when he's ready, he's ready. Until then,
we're gonna have to sit and wait. We did touch
on this, but for those who might have missed it
when we talked to a dam Ski Derek Harmon, according
to Mike Tomlin, was quote probably healthy enough to play
end quote Monday night, but didn't want to force him
into action without significant reps and as as away with it,
(32:01):
as and his buzz pointed out to like Mike Tomlin
very confident in his in his wording and his framing
of his availability for Sunday in Detroit, which is huge
against that line.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Right, Okay, good?
Speaker 2 (32:12):
So hopefully, Hey, you aired on the side of caution
and it paid. Hopefully has worked for you Monday night
and will hopefully work in terms of his health and
his status.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
Feel head coach if you lose that game, like you
could have played Harmon, why didn't you?
Speaker 2 (32:25):
In an alternate universe where a chain rushes for one
hundred and twenty yards and two touchdowns, and the Dolphins
possessed the ball for thirty four minutes, you know, and
they and they win. They win a twenty seven to
twenty four type whar you down? Game? Yeah, that is
the That is the tightrope that you're walking in the
National Football League. Well compensated as well, he's well compensated.
(32:47):
Isaac Sayamalu, unsure of his status after he exited the
game with that tricep injury, expects him to be limited
early in the week and then they'll go from there.
Not a lot of shaker there.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
No, that's better than I thought.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
That's an one of those I wonder if that was
the Dolphins in the divisional round a month from now,
if Saamalu finishes that, you know, if it's if it's
if it's fourteen to three instead of twenty eight to three. Yeah, yeah,
it's and it's you know, divisional round or wild card round?
Does he end up finishing that game that you maybe
that's kind.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Of the way Tomlin phrased it, you know, like, yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Much like the Dolphins did with a chain in New
York a.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
Weekend, right, like we got this thing locked down.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
We got this thing locked up.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
His ros are bogging.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
We don't need to put him back out there. I'm
hoping that that's the status for Sayamalu.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
But there is a ripple effect that, as Buzz mentioned,
you know, like if Pete's not in there and Anderson
has to play left guard and you're the big package,
could kind of go away and you know, correct then
everywhere else.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Yeah, you take some of your some of your tools
out of the toolbox there, which is certainly not what
you want. So we'll keep an eye on that as
we roll along with practice reports throughout the week, beginning
tomorrow on Wednesday. Of course, Nick herbig big one, should
also be limited early this week with a hamstring injury.
According to Mike Tomlin, another We're gonna have to kind
of wait and see. I'll keep and that's a minus
(34:04):
t J. Watt.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
That's a I mean of both, maybe of neither, maybe
of one. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
And I know that Sunday's game in the grand scheme
of things now is not the end of the world.
It's not a must win for the Steelers any of
that as it relates to the playoff picture. But a
you know, sixty minutes of Jack Sawyer up against Penny
Seoul is not the most ideal matchup for the for
the Steelers defense. And then just what that would mean
(34:30):
for behind you know high Smith and and and Sawyer
as well. You're already thin there without TJ hopefully herbig
you're without getting good. That a big deal, huge deal
on just Pete still in concussion protocol, So wait and
see with him, hopefully you know, the extra week and
he'll be able to you would hope to get.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
Back unless it's a terrible one, which I hate.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
We just saw CJ. Stroud missed two weeks with concussion protocol.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Usually guys are back by then.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Around around this time period, but that's another wait and see.
And then they are still evaluating James Pierre's calf injury.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Okay, so from that, Samuel did well, but you definitely
like Pierre in the mix and depth. And this is
a team that throws the ball really well.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
And it was kind of a similar you know, when
Mike tom was asked about Dylan Cook and if he
would start again, and he was kind of uncommittal, and
have to wait and see about Pete's status, and it
was the same thing with as Santa Samuel Junior and
Pierre kind of the we're gonna lean. We're gonna lean
on the division of labor throughout the week and see
(35:33):
how those guys perform and how those guys look.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
Now, I wonder if Pete and Cook are both ready?
Does Cook pass him?
Speaker 2 (35:42):
I think that's not crazy after what we saw last night.
I think that's not crazy. If you want to ride
the hot hand, I think that's that's where two weeks
that's where I would lean right now. That's where I
would lean right now as well. Final break here of
our number two, final thoughts on the Steelers twenty eight
to fifteen victory over the Dolphins. As we close this
thing down on the other side, West Shuler, Matt Williamson,
(36:05):
it's the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers
Audio Network.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
You were two weeks.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
About Drive on your twenty four to seven home of
the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Down the home stretch here on the Drive on a
victory Tuesday. As we've got just some lass teased across
and eyes to die.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
Yeah, too much to squeeze into one show.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Too much to squeeze into one You know you and
I have talked about this thirty segments a week. Sometimes
it feels a little daunting, like when we get to
the middle of June, thirty segments, it would be a
little daunting. Sometimes it's like we could use thirty more
and still wouldn't be still, and still wouldn't be able
to touch you better after and it is always better after
a win without a doubt. And Matt, while we've been
(36:56):
giving some props, given some flowers, I wanted to had
one more thing on a Sante Samuel Junior. Eleventh different
Steeler with an interception this season on that defense. Wow,
that's impressive.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
That is impressive. That's hard to do.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
That's a big number. Eleven different guys on that defense
with an interception.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
Yeah, that's now.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
I think one speaks to how much they've had to
overturn that secondary.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Right and so they also take the ball away.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
How much they take the ball away, and how much
that is a collective group effort. I know you see it.
You know, you and I both like.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
I want to.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
I don't have my stats in front of me, but
I think this week or last week, En was at
the top of the league.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
So now it would be yeah more so. Maybe we'll
revisit that on Thursday when we get into some stats.
But it really drives home for me, you know, you
and I. I'm not down with the facility nearly as
much as I used to be. I'm down there like
one day a week now. Same with you. Yeah, but
we see it at training camp a lot as well,
OTA's Mini camp. The times like that when we are
around every single day, you see the guys on on
(37:55):
defense all the time. TJ has a bunch of them
because he gets a bunch of them. But these guys
when they get T shirts or when they get takeaways,
they get certain T shirts in the defensive room, and
they say that.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
Coln's childish, but it still motivates just competition, right.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
TJ walks in wearing the multi Millionaire T shirt and everyone,
I want that T shirt?
Speaker 3 (38:16):
How do I get that?
Speaker 2 (38:17):
The one of the shirts that they all wear that
they get It says the culture takeaways, Okay, and I
think that eleven different players with an interception, that's a
culture of takeaways.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
I mean every year they're the top of the league
in takeaways.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
I mean they're one of the best forced fumble teams
every year, they're obviously the top of league.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
Again, in like batted.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
Passes which often result and takeaway all goes up in
the air, it's pretty easy to pick, you know.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Yeah, some of these eleven different players have been off
of those.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
Yeah, those and it must be ingrained from every coach
on that has to be.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
I mean, I've been in those rooms.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
I wasn't a coach, but the defensive coordinator, the head
coach whoever will just ingrain and to make sure you.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Tell your players.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
Make sure you tell your players, you know, and then
after a while, it's the second nature and rubs off.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
It sure does. I remember twenty eighteen, my first year
back here, you know, in my hometown, doing all this
after I had gotten you know, been working for the
Eagles and the Phillies the previous three years in Philly
and then finally got back here in western Pennsylvania on
the right side of the state where I wanted to be.
That twenty eighteen season was the year the Steelers started
(39:22):
seven to and one and then failed to miss the playoffs.
She had no lev Bell that year. He had all
the ab stuff. The Steelers really struggled to take the
ball away. In twenty eighteen, and I remember at the
end of the season when they ended up missing out
on the playoffs that being a massive talking point, and
then getting to OTA's and getting to mini camp and
getting to training camp, and how often you heard the
coaches on the defensive staff screaming about attacking.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
Yeah, Like, as.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
You mentioned, there is certainly luck involved. Oh Yase, you
can deflect the pass at the line of scrimmage and
it can go twenty yards backwards and no, that's okay.
It can go six yards backwards and no one's around,
or it can fall right out a TJ Wat's last Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
Or it can just fall to empty space.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
But you could you can also coach it up to It's.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Like they said, it's a culture.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
It's like playing poker, playing blackjack. Yeah, there's an there's
there's just you know, there's car is. There's an element
of chance to it. But there's also some strategy and
some and some process to give yourself the best chance,
the best odds.
Speaker 4 (40:17):
And I think a lot of it starts with pass
rush and you know those type of things too, like
if you're consistently harassing the quarterback ball comes out more.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
You know, last one man, We got like three minutes
here and hadn't mentioned him, And I think he just
deserves a shout because he's played really well the last
couple of weeks but kept it going last night. Man,
I thought Patrick Queen was all over the place, physical, impactful,
consistently see ball, ball near the football.
Speaker 4 (40:43):
Disruptive, and anyone thinks he's one hundred percent healthy, he's nuts.
I mean, he's battling some stuff, but he is flying
around probably playing the best football as a Steeler, I
think so.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
I mean, I think he's developing into a leader by
his actions amp and I'm told in terms of locker
room and the respect, it's it's a it's a good
situation right now for him. Yeah, I'm glad you brought
him up.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
I just you know, we both we both like jot
down notes and all these different things, and we'll get
to some more and some final stuff. I'm sure that
we'll want to discuss tomorrow. But that was one of
the things I had in here, and I just wanted
to make sure he much like Joey Porter Jr. Much
maligned at the beginning of the season, and I'm not
and I'm not saying that those guys were covering themselves
(41:27):
in pies in the beginning of the season. But that's
that's another That's another motest thing is like, I don't
care when you criticize a guy, just make sure you
praise him with that same kind of energy.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
And I think we do that.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
I think we do that. A lot of people don't.
You'll you'll dump on JPJ, you'll dump on Patrick Queen
and then when he has a good game, you say nothing.
I just want to make sure that.
Speaker 4 (41:48):
It does then, like, I'm not writing these guys career
exactly stone that this is what they're going to become.
It's what they are, and it's our job to analyze them.
And I think you're doing everyone the service if you
don't say what you see. You know, like, oh boy,
he's playing really well. Doesn't mean he didn't play great
in week two or whatever.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
Yeah, right, exactly right. It doesn't mean against Seattle in
week two he was an A plus.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
Right on, every game he's been here has not been
as good as.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
These last night these last couple of weeks, when you've
needed him he is. He has delivered, Yes, And I.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
Think they're trending very much the right direction.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
And there's always something to be said for that.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
Yeah, that's big Matt.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Good stuff today, that went fast, quick show Tomorrow Wednesday,
I know we'll do some normal Wednesday stuff. I do
want to go around campus and talk some quarterbacks and
some college football playoff. But we'll have more from this game,
more around the league, catch up with our buddy Chris Hall,
like all that good stuff that we typically do on
a Wednesday. But that will do it for us on
this Tuesday. Thanks to buzz himself, the buzz Saw, Chris
(42:47):
Adanski Trivia Extraordinary for joining us. Thanks to Nathan for
producing TV, mister TV, our video producer, for keeping us
crisp and handsome on the YouTube, and to each and
every one of yin's for rocking and rolling with us
on this victory Tuesday. For Matt Williamson, I'm we Shouler.
Take care everybody. We'll talk to you tomorrow. As always.
You know where to find us. It's on your twenty
four to seven home of the Black and Gold. It's
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Betrayal Weekly is back for a brand new season. Every Thursday, Betrayal Weekly shares first-hand accounts of broken trust, shocking deceptions, and the trail of destruction they leave behind. Hosted by Andrea Gunning, this weekly ongoing series digs into real-life stories of betrayal and the aftermath. From stories of double lives to dark discoveries, these are cautionary tales and accounts of resilience against all odds. From the producers of the critically acclaimed Betrayal series, Betrayal Weekly drops new episodes every Thursday. Please join our Substack for additional exclusive content, curated book recommendations and community discussions. Sign up FREE by clicking this link Beyond Betrayal Substack. Join our community dedicated to truth, resilience and healing. Your voice matters! Be a part of our Betrayal journey on Substack. And make sure to check out Seasons 1-4 of Betrayal, along with Betrayal Weekly Season 1.