HR2: Around the NFL

The Drive goes around the league to discuss an important Week 11 slate of games.

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Your tunes about Drive on your twenty four to seven
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Speaker 2 (00:34):
Good evening, Steeler Nation, How you doing well? That's good
US too, Hour number two. Wes Shuler, Matt Williamson. It
is the Drive here on the Steelers Audio Network on
a victory Monday for your Pittsburgh Steelers as they take
down the Bengals thirty four to twelve. Matt, we have
in the first hour of this program covered just about

(00:55):
I think every angle of that game, except for maybe
the one storyline that notionally is going to dominate that game,
and that, of course, the spitgate or whatever the heck
people are calling it between Jamar Chase and Jalen Ramsey,
and according to Adam Scheffer just recently, let me get
the exact wording here so I don't mess this up.

(01:17):
Wait a second, I just had it. Where is it?
An NFL spokesman said that the league is reviewing the
incident between Jalen Ramsey and Jamar Chase, and a decision
on supplementary discipline is expected today.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
I beg it suspended a game.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
I think so too, Yeah, because remember a couple. I
think there's two big things at play here, And you're right.
The first is it's a bad look. And the NFL
typically has when stories like this that have nothing to
do with the actual on field product ascend to the
forefront of the news cycle, they really don't like that.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
No good old days where someone might not have seen it.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
Everyone's understandably, so you're right. Now you do something like that,
and it is everywhere. It's on thirty seven different TV stations,
It's on all the different social media apps everywhere. I mean,
it was, if not the story in the NFL yesterday,
it was on the short list.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
Right.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
It's like Josh Allen had six touchdowns and right.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
Schnor Sanders play ye, Jamar Chase spit. I mean, like you,
that's your short list of national stories across the NFL.
And of course this happened that opening night Thursday game
in Philadelphia, j Carter and Dak Prescott. Jalen Carter ended
up not getting suspended, but remember the NFL's reason for
that was that he got thrown out before the first

(02:39):
play of the game, right, So it was essentially again
it was the huddle before the first play of the game,
and he gets thrown out before the balls even snapped
once opening kickoff, I think was the only thing that
had happened to that point. The NFL's logic when they
released their statement is, no, he's not going to get
suspended because it would have been a one game suspension,
but we kind of figured that that was the case

(03:01):
since he missed the whole game. Anyways, Well, this is
the opposite. This is the opposite. I mean, Chase ended
up playing the whole game, and this incident happened to
lose a guy, right, was it like midway through the
third quarter, late in the third quarter, somewhere around there.
I just again, the NFL doesn't mess around with a
lot of things, and one of them, rightfully so, is

(03:23):
the reputation of the shield. And this is the second
time now that there has been a spitting incident that
has again moved to the forefront of the news cycle.
And I gotta imagine they're gonna act pretty swiftly and
pretty like, let's let's make an example out of this.
This is the second time this has happened this year.
This cannot happen again. We've got to maybe make an

(03:45):
example out of Jamar Chase in this situation.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
Yeah, and fortunately It didn't happen the way I'm about
to describe it. But when Ramsey went out of the game,
when he was ejected, I immediately thought, oh no, I'm like,
seers are in control here, but Eccles hit that foot
situation didn't look great for a while. And oh, by
the way, Clark was a direct replacement for Ramsey in

(04:08):
case we have to do with Clark, and Dagger became
the full time safety, just so we know that that's
how they plan on doing it, which isn't great either.
But I thought, man, they're light at the corner position
because at points there Ramsey had to go back to
playing a little bit of corner, you know, because the
Eccles situation, Slave was already out in the mix. Samuel

(04:30):
wasn't active, so they were light at corner at kickoff
and then I'm thinking, oh no, and this.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
Is your best one.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
Yeah, And frankly, just from a football perspective, I'm like,
what are the Bengals doing. The second he got ejected,
I'm like, I would just live an eleven personnel, which
they usually do well. They come out with two tights.
I'm like, what are you thinking, you know, like make
them stretch.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
Their corner one, Joe Flacco drop it back against this
pass rush, but maybe take a risk here.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
Yeah, you're gonna need to score some points exactly. But anyway,
I mean, so what I saying originally was, fortunately that's
not the reason the Steelers end up losing the game.
You know, it'd be terrible if it's like they lost
Ramsey and then all of a sudden, the Bengals roared
back and they squeaked out of victory at the end.
Because frankly, I know that you're not allowed to punch

(05:17):
guys in the helmet in a face mask, but you know,
still that's the rule. But everyone's gonna get punched if
you spit in the I mean, you know what I mean, Like,
I think everyone's siding with Ramsey on this one.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yes, the backdrop of you'd just gotten a personal foul
minutes earlier and you know, if you get another one,
you're you're chucked out of the game is a fair point,
you know.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
But also that's one of it didn't hurt the Bengals
at all in that game, and it hurt the Steelers.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
That's one of those things that I think everybody agrees
on is you get spit on by another human being,
and it's like, all, but who cares what happened a
couple of minutes ago. Who cares what the consequences are?
Like I'm getting in this person's face, I'm feeling spite.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
My tongue on that one.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
I'm fit alone and he the action exactly right, exactly right,
And you know what I thought, Like Charlie Batch said
it really well in the Postgame show with with Mike Persuda.
He's like, I understand in that moment, you can't afford
to lose Jamar Chase. You know, it's not like the
personal foul happened two hours earlier and you forgot about it,
like it had just happened. You knew it was gonna
happen if you got another one. Excuse me, coffee went

(06:21):
down the wrong pipe there. But he was like, but
at the same time, he's like, I don't want to
hear from anybody about self control. Was if you've if
you've ever had somebody spit on you, you know what
that's like. It's like the biggest insult you can have
as another human being. And and and maybe even that
this is a moment where in the future that becomes

(06:43):
a reviewable or a discussable thing.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
That's kind of thinking too, is like what if it
were when.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
I don't blame the ref in the moment there's a
million things happening on the football field and you spit
on somebody. It happens in a flash, yeah, and blame
the refs for not seeing it in the moment.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
And there was a lot of action and physicality, and
it was like cocky fights being broken up, you know, right,
goalies are fighting over there, and these guys get right,
you know, so I definitely can see why they And
frankly at the time, don't care why you threw the punch.
I just caught you throwing a punch, So you're getting
kicked out right, And that's how the league works ninety
nine point nine percent of the time. And I get it.

(07:17):
But it would have been nice and maybe we're asking
too much that they somebody could have buzzed down like
they do on a roughing the passer or whatever and say.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
You might want to take a look at it.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
Hey, you know, this guy really should not be ejected.
The other guy should, yes, you know, and then we
wouldn't talking about I mean, then then there's justice.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
And it's justice. And then again from the NFL standpoint,
from the branding and the shield standpoint, it's not a
it's a story still. Jamar Chase gets kicked out of
the game for spitting on somebody, but.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
It's a Jalen Carter story exactly.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
Right, and it doesn't become the he said he said
in the post game where there's dozens of people in
Jamar Chase's face, did you spit on him? Did you
spit on him? And he's like, no, no, I didn't
do it. And then there's dozens of reporters in Jalen
Ramsey's face did they spit on you? Did he spit
on you?

Speaker 3 (07:58):
And then there's pretty clear evidence on video.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
So you and I we were joking with Rob King,
like you you can't be in a grocery store now
and spit on somebody. And it's not on five different
camera angles, right, let alone an NFL field on a
Sunday where there's five thousand, four K cameras everywhere.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
You're not out in the woods, you know, yeah you are.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
You are certainly not out in the woods, And yeah,
I just that always surprises me. Jamar Chase also just
declined to speak to reporters today, so I'm sure that
that was probably a mutual decision between him and the
Cincinnati Bengals. That's something will continue to wait upon. Matt
unfortunately became a storyline in this one. Yeah, but again,

(08:39):
you over you overcame it. That's the biggest Forget the
supplemental discipline and all that different stuff. I think we
were all in the same boat when it happened. You
all thought, oh no, this is still a one possession game, right.
I'm like, oh no, you've twenty some minutes left in
the game. At that point, Ramsey's playing great, the defense
is playing great. Is this going to be the moment

(09:00):
that flips this game on its head?

Speaker 3 (09:01):
And I was worried. That's the first time I was
really worried outside of like the first quarter.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
Same, I'm like, oh no, it's part of something that
could change the tide.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
First forty minutes or so, you felt like you were
in the driver's seat. You had a real stranglehold on
that game. And then that was like the could this
be the moment we're talking about all week that cost
the Steelers a win and could potentially cost them the
division and playoff spots and all this stuff.

Speaker 3 (09:24):
And boy, would that have been crappy.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
It would have been terribly It would have been terrible.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
Fortunately, now I think it's easier to discuss uh in
the aftermath of a win with a little bit of
grace for Jalen Ramsey when you realize what happened. But
it's still it's it's not a great moment, you know.
And I think the NFL is going to react accordingly.

Speaker 3 (09:44):
Yeah, and I think he'll get spended for next week,
which doesn't do the Steelers any favors, but I mean
he deserves that. Then that it's a week without pay,
which is a substantial check for that, right, what's an
expensive loogie? Yeah, I mean, so that's that's a nice
chunk for charity out there, a couple million bucks going
to charity. But I do think it's kind of interesting
too that Ramsey has now played two games against Chase

(10:08):
in a Steeler uniform. I assume he matched up against
some they played.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
They played in the Super Bowl, didn't they back in
a that makes sense, Yeah, twenty twenty one or whenever
that was with the Rams and the Bengals. But yeah,
I'm sure that they've a few times.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
But I assume they'll play more next year. But the
first game, Chase does historic things in the stat sheet.
The second one we just described in great detail. What's next,
you know, I mean like it's like the rumble in
the Jungle, you know.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
The thrilla in Manila. Stay tuned for next season's chapter
between Ramsey and Chase. Yeah. Sure, something that we'll have
some clarity, some final verdict on eventually. But now it's
good that you can put it behind you. You can
move on. You can have a little conversation with Jalen about, Hey,

(10:54):
we understand what happened out there, wasn't right. We need
you on the field. Just keep that in mind going forward.
But yeah, all in all.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
Great, I mean, just I thought he's setting the tone,
and free Safety agreed with him in a big it
really does.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Yeh, he was. He was laying some wood early on
some of those guys, and yeah, him and him and
Kyle Duggar seem like they've really got a quick and
instant chemistry that's been playing well off of each other,
and so yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
A real stabilizing force. But that's why I said it
for the first time. But now it's like, oh, now
they're like impact dudes. Yes, right, yes, and that's big physical.
I mean, those guys are dripping with ability.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
They are.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
They're not twenty two anymore, but still.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
Yes, no doubt, and you're gonna need those guys playing
at that level against the Chicago Bears defense.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
I guess the Chicago team that has now won seven
of their last eight games.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
They're an interesting team. The more I dig in, the
more excited I am to find out more.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
I said that, you know, like I do the quick
Rob King and Max Starks stay on air until Mike
tom We've talked about this before. They stay on air
until Mike Tomlin. And then for the road games, Tom
does the quick little scoring recap from back here in
the studio because we because we have to clean up
and go. But for the home games, I do the

(12:11):
quick little recap because I'm there in the booth with
PURSUITA and Charlie. Anyways, and I said that, you know,
at the end, we do a quick I do. It's
ninety seconds, two minutes. Ye, yeah, I do a quick
scoring recap. Here's how it all went down. You know,
Darnel Washington did this. Doug or picked six that Boswell
hit these field goals, you know, just kind of the
quick scoring recap. And then I'll look at the NFL

(12:33):
scoreboard and I said, you know, the Steelers next opponent,
the Bears. They win in Minnesota twenty to seventeen, whatever
the score was, nineteen to sixteen, whatever the score was.
And I said, don't look now, the Chicago Bears have
won seven of their last eight games, getting ready to
host the Steeler in our first place. And I was like,
you know, and then I sign off, and I'm like,
you know, Mike Pursuda and Charlie Batcher up next with

(12:53):
the post game show here on the Steelers Audio Network,
and I kind of put my head set down and everything,
and pursuita sitting next to me, and he goes on
seven of their last eight games. Like when when you
say it out loud like that, this is one that
suddenly is gonna have a lot of build up. I
think as we get closer and closer to Sunday, and
you're gonna need all hands on deck in that secondary

(13:14):
and that defense once again against a talented Bears offense.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
Yeah, it's gonna be a similar script. Their defense has
some issues. Their offense is getting better and better and better.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
There are different.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
Places, you know, Caleb or Flaca or new coach, et cetera.
But still that's a dangerous team. They're playing really well
right now, hitting their shride.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
We'll talk more about that big win for the Bears
when we go around the league, when we return a
jam packed slate across the NFL, we'll get into all
of It's here in our number two West Hueler. Matt Williamson.
It's the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers
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Speaker 1 (13:52):
About Drive on your twenty four to seven home of
the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
Time to go around the league here on the Drive
and recap what was a wild week twelve week eleven,
week eleven around the National Football League. The first big
shout out to, of course, our video producer Extraordinary or
Tyler V mister TV himself. One thing that we didn't discuss,
MATD is that the Steelers finally won a time of

(14:33):
possession barely by the skin on their chinny chin chin
thirty minutes and five seconds to the Bengals twenty nine
minutes and fifty five seconds.

Speaker 3 (14:43):
Right, I mean that's about a small differential even as
thirty thirty.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
You know, here's here's a dork thing that I've wondered
in the past. I think I've over some cold ones.
At Sharky's one summer, started debating this with Mike Persuda.
Deelers win the time of possession by five seconds or
ten seconds. I think five. I do too. Okay, this
is so I forget five seconds over as we got

(15:10):
Tyler into this one, He's liking this, he's liking this.
I got into this conversation at our favorite watering hole
in the Trobe Sharky's one summer with Pursuda, where he
was like, all I need is that baseball team. I forget,
but he bets on baseball all the time. All I
need is this baseball team to finish with eighty two wins,
one game above five hundred eighty two wins, you know,

(15:30):
and I'll and my my money will hit or my
over will hit or whatever. And I was like, well,
wait a second, eighty one and eighty one is five
hundred in baseball, right they play one hundred and sixty
two games, So you go eighty one and eighty one,
that's a five hundred record in baseball, It's like, if
you go eighty two and eighty, are you a one
game over five hundred? Are you two games over five hundred?
Because yes, I realize eighty two is two more than eighty,

(15:51):
but if you lose one, you finish five hundred. It's
so it's kind of quirky.

Speaker 3 (15:56):
It's five seconds over average.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
Five seconds over at so I think they won time
of possession by five seconds even though it's ten seconds.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
I kind of look the same way.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
Yeah, Like, if you go eighty two and eighty in baseball,
you're one game over five hundred.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
So for example, if the Steelers were to possess the
ball one second more, that doesn't mean they beat him
by two seconds more, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (16:18):
Look at us.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
Six doesn't make it a twelve seconds.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
Mind over here, we're some intellectuals, you and I think
you and I are on the same page on this
swistle blows. One second later, running Sita said, I was crazy.
I don't think so. Right, here's like eighty two and
eighty that's two more wins than losses. There's two games
above five hundred. I'm like, I know, but if you'll
move one into the one game.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
It's only one game difference, Like the.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
Way you laid it out, though, one second extra possession
is not two seconds.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
Not two seconds of winning, you know, right, That's one.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
Of those just funny, quirky things. It's fun to debate
over one.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
Note on that I do want to make because I've
harped on time possessions so much and that's not ideal.
But there are some there are some things about time
possession that can be misleading. And the Colt previewing the
Colts game is a perfect example, because the Steelers were bad,
but the Colts were average going into that game. But

(17:13):
part of it's because the Colts scored too fast. Like
that's never a bad problem, you know, Okay, get the
ball on the twenty on the opening kickoff hand at
the tailor, he goes eighty yards. I'm like, that's a
pretty good drive. So this case is similar. They scored
twice on defense correct, which it's hard to win time
of possession when you your offense doesn't touch the ball

(17:34):
and you get seven points out of it.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
No doubt, and like and you know your total plays
run per and.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
They still were last. They still have not had more
plays than their opponents.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
Ten out of ten. They're zero for ten, I should
say in terms of but sixty three to sixty.

Speaker 3 (17:48):
And some of those are also garbage times. A let's
keep him on the field, you know, right in mind
that your run plays.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
Then you know, if if our good friend Kyle Duggar
gets tackled at the twenty yard line, it's a different story. Wait, sorry,
if Pierre picks up that fumble and steps out of
bounds or gets tackled, you get one more series. At least,
it's a it's a way different story. At least three
more plays. So sometimes it actually does work out in
your favor. I think this is the first time we've
seen that for the Steelers this year where we can

(18:16):
truly say, okay, it's a good thing. Like in a way,
it was a good thing that they out snapped you
a little bit, and the time of possession was close
because that was because of the two defensive scores.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
And it wasn't like this game was like the Charger games. Like, man,
these guys have been on the field a time and all.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
Of a sudden the holes are starting to open. Then
the different story, different story. Matt Let's recap a wild
Week eleven around the National Football League. Here first in
Madrid at the fabulous Santiago Burnabout. It goes into overtime,
the Dolphins get check out the.

Speaker 3 (18:47):
Stadium because I was in here with Tom and it
was on.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
But we were doing in the pregame show.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
Doing it then on the phone driving home and.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
You know you had real work to do. It's okay,
I'll let it slide. But the Dolphins continue to prove
they're not a pushover.

Speaker 3 (18:59):
No, no, they're not.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
They're going to factor into like they still got to
play the Patriots again and Bill, they I think will
fact even though they won't be in it. They'll have
a say, they'll have an effect. They'll have a factor
on the AFC playoff race down the stretch here.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
I mean I would have said this going into that
game Steelers too, like probably did on our Power Rank show.
Like I think Miami's noticeably better than Washington right now. Yes,
I mean, Washington's a mess and we're probably Overrady coming
into the year and maybe McDaniel can save his job.
And I've kind of said all along, we know that
they get the ball, they scheme up a chan and

(19:36):
waddle really really well. Yeah, and that's a hard thing
to deal with. The defense isn't a joke.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
They got a couple of Ferraris out there. Yeah, yeah,
and sometimes they spin out and they crash, but other
times they go really fast and win a lot of races.
They have played Buffalo twice already, but they still do
play New England obviously the Steelers. They play Tampa Bay,
so they've got some They've got some teams on the
schedule that they could really have a Steelers problems could
cause of Steelers problems they played they played New England

(20:03):
last week of the season. That could be like if
the Patriots win, they win the division. Yeah, in Miami,
or they.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
May even arrest everybody.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
That's a good point. That's a good point. But I
think the Dolphins team, Hey, they've won three of their
last four. They are by far playing their best football
the season. That's not an incredibly high bar to clear.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
Despite trading something the better players too.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
But yeah, you're absolutely right, they are. They are viable
in Miami, that's sure. As they win the first ever
NFL regular season game.

Speaker 3 (20:30):
They should be twenty second in power ranks or something
like that, not twenty eight.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
Yeah, Panthers, Matt much like.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
Is They're the hardest team for me to wrap my
head around.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
Abbasing staying alive was that the Beg's G's much like
the Beg's Carolina Panthers are staying alive. They're six and five.
They go to Atlanta and win thirty to twenty seven.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
Especially Sample losing like they're not right the striking We.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
Saw that coming. Yeah, they're a half game behind the Bucks.
That's it right now.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
It sounds like Penix has lost for.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
The Penix has lost for the season, which is big
for them because London, London's hurt again too. Falcons are
probably angling for a top five, top ten pick here.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
Yeah, and the Rams own the pick. Like the Rams
could win the Super Bowl and get the eighth pick,
you know what I mean, Like it's crazy, I win.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
The Super Bowl and they draft Leonora's cellars around, right.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
So Beijan was awesome. The other thing that shocked me
because I am not a Bryce Young fan. He was
phenomenal in this game. He looked like Bama Bryce Young.
He looked like Heisman Bryce Young.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
So hard to pin down.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
Yeah, that whole team's all over the play.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
Just when you think all right, it's time to give
up on the Bryce Young experiment. He goes and has
a game like that, Yeah, and then he'll play and
then just when you think it's time to buy in
on the Bryce Young experience, he'll go out and lay
an absolute stinker.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
But the Panthers at six and five, staying alive in
the division hunt and I don't think any of us
saw that coming this late into the season for sure.
And speaking of those Tampa Bay Buccaneers, this was one
of the more fun back and forth games of the
weekend up in Buffalo, where the Bills move to seven
and three. I think Buffalo really needed that one. Yeah,
and Tampa now, don't look, but they're six and four

(22:10):
after really one point, kind of being at the forefront
of some power rankings forty four to thirty two. The
Bills win.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
I think in the Super Bowl year there's been two
instances of someone throwing and running for three touchdowns each
and they're both there, both Josh.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
And they'll probably do it again next year. You know,
he's pretty good.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
He gets in the end zone at a remarkable rate
in every way you can imagine.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
The Bills have their flaws, but they also have Josh Allen.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
Yeah, and their run defense is a flaw. I mean,
I think, just a pretty equal game except for a
couple Josh Allen magic. You know, like, I wouldn't be
super down on the box or anything.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
If you and I are doing a Madden style fantasy draft,
throw every player in the NFL into the pool draft
and starting over. Yeah, yeah, you've got the first pick,
taking Josh Allen.

Speaker 3 (22:59):
You mean in the real world or fantasy in the.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
Real world right here today, you're starting an NFL team.
Every player in the league is available.

Speaker 3 (23:05):
I might take him over my homes at this point,
I think.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
I might as well. Tay, I like too, just because again,
he's so hard to prepare for. He's a nightmare.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
He's an absolute nightmare. I think he's gonna go down
as an all time great.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
I do too, especially he just gets one Super Bowl
that he's going to be on that short list.

Speaker 3 (23:22):
Know that that team can win the Super Bowl though
I don't.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
I don't either, but hey, he might. He might be
able to will them across the line.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
Yeah, if anyone league can.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
Right now, huge one for the Texans, matt As they
started slow, fell behind real in Tennessee, but came back
to win sixteen thirteen, Davis Mills getting it done, keeping
them alive at five and five as the Titans suffer
another another tough one.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
Yeah, and I didn't see a ton of this one.
I mean, other than what you said, I don't have
a lot to add to it. But I do think
Houston is viable in the AFC.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
Yes, they're not going away. No, every time they've had
a chance to, they've kind of, you know, planted their
flag in the sand and gotten it done. Nico Collins
ninety two yards and a touchdown. He's starting to look
a little bit more like himself. That's a big development
for them. Houston's gonna play some real important games down
the stretch. Obviously, great defense they they sure do. Maybe
one of the best in the NFL. We mentioned the

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Chicago Bears. They go to Minnesota and take care of business.
Nineteen to seventeen looked like the Vikings won it late.
Kind of what happened to the Bears in Cincinnati two
weeks ago roller Coasters. Yeah, they looked like they were
going to lose it at the very end, and then
they in Cincinnati pulled out that. Of course, long touchdown
play to Colson Loveland. Here they hit a field goal

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at the death to win it on the road against Minnesota,
who falls to four and six the Bears at seven
and three first, Just like we all predicted back in
the summertime. The Chicago Division there number one staring down
Thanksgiving and they're in first place.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
Yeah. A couple of notes for this one I picked
up was the Bears late in the game had a
long kickoff return to set.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
Up that field goal. Whoa you know?

Speaker 3 (25:03):
I mean that. And Minnesota's quarterback play remains bottom the league.
I mean, it's it's a problem. And I know McCarthy's
only started like five or six games in his career,
but they're not getting good quarterback play at all. And
the nugget I saw here that's insane is Flores blitzed

(25:23):
Caleb Williams just under eighty percent of his dropbacks. Wow,
I mean, like unheard of numbers, and Williams handled it fine.
I mean he's coming along really well.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
He sure is.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
He is talented man.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Oh yeah, it's unbelievable. Yeah, I mean he is one
of the most perplexing quarterbacks to watch because he'll make
a couple holy crap. How did he do that? Plays
every single game as much as any quarterback. Guys. It
will also make a holy crap what was he thinking?
There plays and those.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
Are getting a little fewer. And he used to be
like to take sack master.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
I was just gonna say, I know TV will remember this. Yeah,
at the beginning of the year, and you were like,
Kaylen Williams loves to take sack and.

Speaker 3 (26:07):
He's getting better at it. I think love love to
take sex, not as much anymore.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
He's getting much better at it. He certainly is.

Speaker 3 (26:15):
He might be getting faster too. I'm gonna say that
all week. Like his over twenty mile an hour runs.
He's like at the top of the league. It's not Henry,
It's not you know, Jon.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
I mean he flies, he does, he does, he really does.
Only despite getting blitz that much, was only sacked twice. Yeah,
and uh about it the Bears at seven and three
and boys, I tell you that's going to be a
wild atmosphere at Soldier Fields six days from now for
a Bears fan base that has not had much excitement
in recent years.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
He's never had a quarterback in my life, and now
they have to be jumping out of their skin.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
Also, I mean when was the last time they went
to the playoffs? Like Jack Cutler was there? I mean
now again Thanksgiving week, they're going to be first place
in the division.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
Right, did get and Walter Payton a long time ago?

Speaker 2 (27:01):
Did go Da Bears Packers staying within a half game
of the Bears. They go to MetLife wasn't pretty, but
they got it done against Jameis Winston in the g
Men twenty seven to twenty penned down.

Speaker 3 (27:16):
Yeah, I think they're a little disappointing, especially on defense offense.
You can explain some injuries and stuff, but Green Bay
is not playing.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
At a high level. They're not, and the good news
for them is they continue mostly to find ways to
win and hopefully, you know, if they if it does
start to click for them, you're in good position. But
they have not been the team that we've now where
maybe Carolina has been hard to pin down in.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
A good way, oh yeah, way exceeding.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
Green Bay has been hard to pen down in a
bad way.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
Yeah, I'm not super impressed with where they've been the
last couple of weeks.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
An impressive victory for the Jags Matt who continue to
stay hanging around in the playoff picture. In the playoff
conversation we talked about it, could the Chargers kind of
take the momentum of a big win in one of
those tough across the coast one o'clock games from West
Coast teams. They did not. Jags beat them down thirty
five to six.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
Yeah. Not a competitive game at all, which I was
shocked of. I thought this would be a pretty close battle.
I picked the Jags, but I did not think this
was coming.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
One thing that I certainly did not think was coming,
Matt was Sam Darnald throwing four interceptions.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
That was a total difference in the game.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
Right, the Rams win twenty one to nineteen. You just
see that and you think, oh, close, low scoring game
between two good teams NFC contenders. Man Sam Darnald squinted
your eyes out there, and I thought it was my
boy Geno Smith for a second again still in Seattle,
like they just after. He has done so much good
this season. That was a big step back for him

(28:49):
and for the Seahawks in that loss.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
Yeah, and Seattle's defense was phenomenal. I thought it was
a very evenly played game, with the exception of that obviously,
which is massive.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
Makes you wonder a little.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
I mean, like even his last two games in Minnesota
were a week eighteen game they had to win and
then a playoff game, of course, and they were his
worst two games. Like, I'm not saying he's not clutch
or he doesn't have it, you know, but when the
when the level competition ramps up together the best teams
in the league, he might be a little behind.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
This is that, and that's as much as it can
be unfair. That's also the splitting hair difference of the
good quarterbacks in this league and the great quarter right
rrect league.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
I'm not saying you can't play, it's just you know,
this was not a good show.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
It is a credit to Seattle, though. You lose the
turnover margin minus three on the road, yeah, and it
was still only a two point game.

Speaker 3 (29:39):
Stafford McVeigh in a big time. Yeah, But that just
see im a psyched for the second time for them,
maybe even a third.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
Absolutely absolutely, And if the Seahawks don't shoot themselves in
the foot, they're going to be in a good position.
First road loss for Seattle all year, though, is it
finally those guys lost one way from Home Niners. Another
team who hard to pend down, but they are continuing
to stay viable, continuing to win games. They moved to
seven and four with a big forty one to twenty
two win in Arizona. This was back in the fall.

(30:09):
Twoty was back and good. Now. I don't think the Niners,
despite every reason too, particularly on that defense, I don't
think they're going anywhere.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
I think they would end up in the playoffs when's
all said and done.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
They don't have a real hard playoff game in that division.
I could see it.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
Arizona's really falling off in a big way. Were set
set the record for most completions in NFL history? Did
he really forty seven?

Speaker 2 (30:30):
Holy cow? You're right? Forty seven of fifty seven for
four hundred and fifty two yards.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
And they didn't score many points. You completed forty seven passes,
more than any quarterback in history and they wild. I'm
a little shocked that that's the record, Like that's a
big number, but I would have guessed it was like
fifty five in an overtime game, right, you know, something crazy, one.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
Of those one of those Rams Chiefs fifty six to
fifty nine type games that we saw a few years ago.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
There was a game you probably don't even remember it,
but Brady played again when they went to Minnesota. It's
the Williams Wall. It was like the best run defense
in the world. And like Brady used to do against
like Casey Hampton, where they don't even try to run, you.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
Know, like and just Broker four or five yards right time,
right forty seven is a record impressive for him. But
the Cardinals, they've done the inverse of the Bears, where
the Bears of one to seven of their last dight,
the Cardinals have lost seven of their last A lot
of them were tight losses.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
This was not, but they could have.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
They started they started two to zero Arizona did. They're
now free. They're now three and seven, have a lot
of injuries going on to Matt one. That was almost
a really great outcome for the Steelers. Just a bit
shortening Yell. The Browns fall to the Ravens twenty three
to sixteen. The Browns defense played great, but they scored

(31:46):
no points in the second half. Dylan Gabriel got a concussion,
so Door Sanders had to come in. He threw an
interception and did not look good. Devin Bush had a
pick formerly of this parish, Devin Bush had a a
pick six. Cleveland hung around and gave him some hell.
But the Ravens a fake push push trick play to
Mark Andrews. Able to do that was crazy.

Speaker 3 (32:07):
I give him credit for that. That was abriative and
very nice.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
Able to do just enough Baltimore to get it done.
They move to five and five, back to five hundred
with four straight wins, now on the bounce for Baltimore.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
So it's division game. So I wanna talk a little
bit more about this one. I know I'm not allowed
to say anything good about Miles Garrett, but he had
four freaking sacks and I think he's going to set
the sack record.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
I mean he thinks. So what's he at now? He'll
look it up for you.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
He's ridiculous right now. They had no answer for him.
It felt like he made every play on a good defense.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
He's got fifteen, he's a fifteen.

Speaker 3 (32:40):
I mean, he's gonna get the twenty.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
And he's still got to play the Steelers though, and
you know that's gonna be He.

Speaker 3 (32:44):
Always doesn't do much against I know that, Yeah, strike.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
That from the record. I don't want to jinx it.
I don't want to jinx it.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
He's ridiculous right now. But as good as he is,
and I think he's the best defensive player walking the planet.
Their offense is equally as bad. I mean, their quarterbacks
are horrendous and Sanders s Garrett play quarterback Dylan Gabriel
looked like, check down, back up, get you out of
a game, dude. You know, their quarterback I don't think
is on the roster. Maybe I'd roll with Sanders just

(33:11):
to see you, but man, he's far off. But their
defense is great, led by Garrett. But to me, this
was a very losable game by the Ravens. And I
know division game on the road is never a sure thing,
especially in the AFC North.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
Especially this time of year. Two Yes, cold and windy
and Cleveland. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:32):
And I picked the Ravens to win the Super Bowl
before the season, and as the season started, I'm like,
all this.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
Guy does is love Miles Garrett the Steelers audio network.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
I don't think the Ravens can get to that level.
I mean, because they had issues before Lamar and all
those injuries that showed up again here. You know, like
both lines of scrimmage are below average.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
And I think they can get to the Steelers Jacksonville
Division Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Yel like they're a good team.
They could win a playoff game or two, but you
don't really view them as an upper echelon content.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
I don't think they had the ceiling that I thought
they did, you know, yeah, yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
Maybe even It's like, at least the Steelers have that
defense to hang their hat on, you know. At least
Tampa has an offense with weapons everywhere. Baltimore is like
they got Lamar and which is great. He's not even
playing he didn't play that great.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
Yes, he's not playing like the MVP, right, Yeah, that's
for sure, since he came back from injury, he's not
looking like that. But again, I mean, Noby can block
Miles Garrett.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
I know that that's the most fifteen sacks, doesn't he.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
I know it's like the most unpopular thing to say
on these airways, but you have to recognize how he's playing.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
It's it's rare, folks.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
He is a madman.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
Seven games left for Cleveland. What's the record, like twenty
one and a half? I think, isn't it? The TJ
and uh and uh The thing is he gets them
in bunches. Michael strahanded.

Speaker 3 (34:58):
Yeah, I mean whenever he gets a bad tackle like
he did yesterday twenty two and a half. I don't
know if he'll get there not.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
I mean he needs seven and a half more to
tie in seven games. Yeah, eight, I mean he could
definitely get eight. If he has average four five sack game.

Speaker 3 (35:14):
I mean he'll be That's the thing is whenever he
gets uh, you know, a cream puff, he.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
Gets Okay, they got the Raiders, maybe the worst offensive
line in football next week. Yeah, gino holding onto the
ball away too long, trying to two or three there?
Two three there. Then they host the Niners. That might
be tough, Shanahan. I'm sure we'll have a good game
plan with the He'll be smart. Not let him beat him. Titans,
he could easily could easily get a handful there in Chicago.

(35:42):
He could easily get a couple there against Caleb Williams. Okay.
Then they host the Bills. Josh Allen different animal than
Steelers than at Bengals. Dang he could man, Yeah, I
don't like that.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
No, I don't either, but he is. You watch his game,
the game yesterday, it's like they have no answers for
him at all. It's like watching lawren S Taylor in
nineteen eighty three.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
It's like you said, It's like, hey, we're doing all
we can to stop Michael Jordan. He's still putting up
fifty Bill Duncan on our heads. Yeah, except for Fortunately
for Michael Jordan, he had a really good team around
him too. Whereas Miles gone, they're not going anywhere. He
has a bunch of Blair.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
Maybe defense back. Hey, maybe Miles should have remembered that
when he rescinded his trade request and re signed that
big deal. And that's all I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
I think his deal I need to look into it.
And this is a conversation for months down the road.
I think he still could get traded without destroying their cap.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
If you're Cleveland and you've already got two first round
picks next year, why not have four? Why not have four, four, four, three,
and then two again in twenty twenty sevens.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
Right, and draft a million offensive linemen and the best
quarterback in one of these two drafts. I mean, by
the time you're good again, is Miles Garrett's still going
to be good? You're three years away, probably for being
he's also close to thirty. I don't think he's gonna
fall off the face of the earth. But that's also
just father time common sense. Matt two more, and they
were two very important ones to five star matchups, the

(37:03):
first in Denver where the Broncos don't call them Yonkos
myron cope. Yeah, continue to take care of business twenty
two to nineteen over the Chiefs. Broncos moved to nine
and two currently the one seed with the Chargers loss.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
With the cheat that divisions there sparring something insane. I
would imagine that division is Theirs and Matt.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
The bigger story is, like, where's this leave the Chiefs.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
I don't want to see them number one on the
Super Bowl odds anymore. I'm done with it. That's what
I was doing with this for you. I still think
they could make the playoffs. They could still get hot.
I am not going to ever write them off until
the body is cold. I've told you that a few
times this year. But I'm done talking about Kansas City,
Like it's just inevitable that they're going to flip a
switch and become world beaters again.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
Yeah, me too, And they haven't played bad in any
of these losses. They're all respectable losses. You lose the
Bills in a tight one in Buffalo, Hey.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
Losing Lions and a tight one, yeah yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (37:55):
Mean in Denver against one of the best teams in
the league, one of the best defense in the league.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
It's not.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
And they're close. You're not losing by thirty or anything.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
Horseshoes and hand grenades. Man, you're five, you're five and five.

Speaker 3 (38:05):
And they used to win all these close games, I mean,
and now they're losing a lot of them. And I
forget which commentator I heard. It might have even been
before the Sunday night or and when he said it initiear,
I'm like, eh, but I forget. There's something along the
lines of the Super Bowl changed the opinion of the
other players in the league about the Chiefs, you know,

(38:26):
like you watch them get whitewashed by the Eagles in
Super Bowl, which every eye in America saw. It's like
we could do that to them, you know, like they're
they're not this maybe they're not this god like right, right, right,
I can wear that fastball, you know.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
Right, it's a good point. It's a very good point.
Five And five. They host Indie next week, Is that
a must win? Yes?

Speaker 3 (38:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
You look at their schedule right now, okay, and be
off a bye you that's a good point too. You
look at their schedule right now. They go to Dallas,
that should be a win. They go to Tennessee that
should be a win. They go to Las Vegas that
should be a win. But those are all three on
the road. You circle those as wins for Kansas City.
But they're all three on the road. Colts at home,
tough Texans at home, tough Chargers at home, tough Broncos

(39:10):
at home. Tough. Yeah, they probably they probably need five
more wins to get into the postseason losses at most.
I mean, if you lose to the Colts this week
and you're five and six.

Speaker 3 (39:23):
Right, it would be amazing if like the Jacks go.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
On tour with Taylor Swift and just take the rest
of the year off man and they have they do
not have the tiebreaker against the Jacks. I think they
have a bad tie break, which is which is important
to note. I'm glad you mention that, Yeah, Bills, they
don't have the tiebreaker against And if Houston beats a
Houston record, if Houston beats them, they wouldn't have it
against them either. Lost to the Chargers, beat the Ravens,

(39:46):
lost to the Jaguars, beat the Raiders. That's two and
two lost of the Bills lost to the Broncos, two
and four.

Speaker 3 (39:52):
The record, because that's what's gonna come down to if
they're not gonna win division.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
They've also only won one game in the division, So yeah,
I mean shocking. It is shocking.

Speaker 3 (40:02):
And I don't think they're bad.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
I think we all thought the city would take a
little bit of a step back this year. But from
fifteen to one to three straight super Bowls, yeah, we
I thought it would still like eleven or twelve win
and maybe you don't make the Super Bowl. Step back.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
Not this this someund's dumb. But I still think this
year's team's favored against last year's team.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
Dude, maybe yeh. I risk gets back to the This
is why I called Lane Kiffin abozo for saying we
should just let Vegas pick the college football playoff because
Vegas is still picking the Chiefs to win the Super
Bowl until Sunday.

Speaker 3 (40:36):
I bet that has to change.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
I'm sorry at every I'm looking at the camera. I'm
looking at the cameras. I say this at every level
of football. We have to stop pretending like wins and
losses don't matter.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
It makes me crazy.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
It makes me crazy, And that's much more goal. That's
much more of a college football thing. I heard some
dude on ESPN yesterday saying I'd take three lost Texas
in the playoff over one lost Texas Tech. Then why
play the game?

Speaker 3 (40:59):
We're are we doing in October November?

Speaker 2 (41:01):
If we don't start again, we, not you and I,
the general we of the football world, start recalibrating expectations
for the Chiefs. What's the point of playing the games?
What's the point of the results? Just put Kansas City
in the AFC Championship game.

Speaker 3 (41:15):
I'm gonna look tomorrow, but I'm curious who is the
favorite in the AFC I can. I mean, we'll get
one more game in the books.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
That's why that's true, that influence anything.

Speaker 3 (41:28):
Obviously, I'm guessing it's the Colts.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
The Buffalo Bills have overtaken the Kansas City Chiefs, the
Broncos right on their heels, then the Colts, then the
Baltimore Ravens. Bills Chiefs are still second best.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
Wrong about any of those teams.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
Still, I'd probably take the Colts.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
But is Daniel Jones gonna outdo my homes Bills?

Speaker 2 (41:50):
Bills won, Broncos two Chiefs, sorry, Colts three Chiefs for
Ravens five.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
I guess I'm not shocked that the Bills are one.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
Patriots there as well too. And again, Matt, if so, what,
they've played ten games, seven games left. If the Chiefs
win six of their next seven and go into the
playoffs at eleven and six or whatever that would be
and the team that nobody wants to play, that wouldn't
surprise me. But they've lost, I think all benefit of
the doubt now until we see that happen. That's where

(42:20):
I'm at.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
Yeah, I agree with that what you said, but I
don't want them coming to Acusher and no wild Guard.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
I know that.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
I know that, But like if they were coming here
on Christmas again this year, it wouldn't feel like it
did last year. No, I agree, when that team was
thirteen and one and it was like, oh man, this
could be this could be a rough day out.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
They're just kind of like another team right now.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
I mean, they're not the team, they're another team, albeit
with one of the greatest quarterbacks and one of the
greatest coaches that we've ever seen. But again, the games matter,
the results matter. If not, let's just have Alabama versus
Ohio State every year for the National Championship and the
Chiefs against the Packers for the Super Bowl this year,
or whatever the Lions or whatever it would have been

(43:00):
going into the year. Speaking of the Lions, they drop
a tough one in Philly, whipped, low scoring, physical game.
I think you're right their win game sixteen to nine.
The Eagles win, but that it felt like one of
these games where the final score wasn't really indicative of
how the sixty minutes played out. Felt like the Eagles were.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
It's the defense.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
It is roaring right now, and I think they're only
going to get better. Phillips and some of these pieces
continue to get more and more comfortable with what they're
being asked to do.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
Yeap that they're great at basically every level of defense.
Extremely well coordinated.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
Golf. I've all I like golf, but he's glad you're
going there because I wanted to mention.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
That, Yeah, I've always kind of called him a fair
weather quarterback, played in LA and then a dome and
fair weather is kind of a generic term. I don't
always mean bad weather, you know, rain, sleet, hail. I
just mean tough times too, you know, and protected wells
a certain style. You know, he's on an improv guy.
They they had no answers for that defense.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
Though.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
It wasn't on golf necessarily, well some, but I mean
that it wasn't a particularly close game golf.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
To me, it's the everyone in the YouTube comments will
love this one. Same church, different pew as the conversation
that we just had about Sam Darnold. Yeah, yeah, they're good.
They're belong in the NFL. Heck, they're even better than good.
Yeah they are. They are the top ten guys in
that eight to twelve range, eight to fourteen range of
quarterbacks in the NFL. But in games like this, against

(44:28):
teams like that, that's where the Allens and the Mahomes
and Aaron Rodgers of the world really separate themselves from
as all time greats. And I think we saw that
just so many opportunities for Detroit to make a play
and just couldn't get it done.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
No, but boy, their offense was overwhelmed.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
Yes, Ron, yes they were, and all of a sudden
don't look now lines are six and four without a
ton of ton of wiggle room in a tough division,
and the Eagles are eight and two and starting to
look like that proverbial NFC favorite once again again, there's
our thoughts on Week eleven around the National Football League,
A big one for a lot of different reasons across

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the AFC and the NFC. We are overdue for a break.
We wrap this thing up. On the other side, it's
the Drive on the Steelers Audio Network, your tunes.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
About Drive on your twenty four to seven home of
the Black and Goal Steelers Nation.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
Radio final segment of the day, Matt, and we have

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like one hundred seconds before we got to go.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
Yeah, say, we've been talking it up.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
Beefy around the league segment. Baby, I like doing that
on Mondays. Though we do spend the vast majority of
our time here on this show talking about the Pittsburg Stellars,
but from time to time, when we go around the
league and we do around campus those things, I think
people enjoy that as well. Yeah. Yeah, if you're listening
to the show, you're obviously a Steelers junkie, but I
think you probably love football in general as well.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
To pull back curtain. Thirty segments a week on just
one football team is a lot.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
No doubt, Even if you are the biggest diehard Black
and Gold don't give a rip about anybody else, that's
still a lot.

Speaker 3 (46:29):
You're asking a lot from us to be entertaining for
thirty segments on one team.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
Matt, I don't know how entertaining Tonight's Monday night football
games would be. But it is in the entertainment capital
of the United States, although I guess technically that's Los
Angeles and not Las Vegas. Who cares out there in
one of those crazy cities out west. The Raiders two
and seven Wolf hosts the Cowboys three five and one
Wolf Dallas a three and a half point favorite there

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in Viva Las Vegas.

Speaker 3 (46:57):
Do things anywhere. I think the Raiders are the Cows
at least.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
Think they can go. Yeah, but you're right, I do
think the Raiders are clearly the worst team. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
I mean, to me, Raiders are bottom five team in
Dallas is at least a level or two above that. Yeah,
and it's probably a small deal if you're not a
Cowboys fan. I'm gonna say, see Quinn Williams's first game
in Dallas and Wilson the line, but especially william Yeah,
but you know, right, they made some changes and good
for them, you know they did.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
Could be a high scoring one for Dallas with think
they put the pieces back on that offense and a
bad Raiders defense. But Dallas three and a half point favorites.
That almost feels like right, like this feels like it
should be five and a half, six and a half.
I realize it's on the road, but also, let's not
kid ourselves. The Raiders don't have a great home field
advantage ever since they left ever since they left Oakland.

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There will be a lot of Cowboys fans there. The
Cowboys fans are like Steelers fans. They show up everywhere.

Speaker 3 (47:51):
I would take the Cowboys mind and give the points.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
It's an easy one. Like I said, it's almost one
of those like, all right, what does Vegas know? Type right?
I would think that that would be five and a half,
six and a half, three and a half. And I
realized the game is in Las Vegas, but again it's
Dallas come off a bye too. You know, it'd be
like a bowl game atmosphere of fifty to fifty if anything,
But I think it'll probably even be sixty forty cowboys. Yeah,
seventy thirty cowboys. That's how it's been for the Steelers

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every time we've gone out there. So we'll see not
a bar and burner, but you know, expensive tickets. Tonight,
I was looking on.

Speaker 3 (48:23):
The second that to me means there's a lot of
Cowboys fans want to go.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
Correct. Yeah, looking on the secondary market, Matt, it's like,
let's look here real quick, because I looked earlier and
I couldn't believe it. Yeah, right now, you're talking at
least four hundred and fifty five hundred dollars for nose bleeds,
for nose bleeds.

Speaker 3 (48:40):
For teams that are five total win bad teams.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
That are I think a lot of Cowboys fans playing
a strip out of this, and they're there in town.
It's gonna be a pseudo home game for them, and
I expect them to win. Pretty good Cowboys fans with that, totally, totally,
So we'll recap that one briefly. Tomorrow we'll talk to
Chris will have the Mike Tomlin news conference. That could
be a big one. That could be a big one
in terms of obviously what we are waiting to hear

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in regards to the signal caller Aaron Rodgers, so planning
to get to on the program tomorrow. Thanks to Rob
King for joining us today, to our video producer Tyler
v mister TV for making sure we look handsome on YouTube,
and of course to the best co host the guy
can ask for, Matt Williamson. I'm West Shouler. Take care everybody.
We will talk to you tomorrow. As always, you know
where to find us. It's on your twenty four to

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on the Steelers Audio Network.