December 10, 2025 • 46 mins
Matt and Wes go though some of the matchups this weekend that could have an effect on the playoff picture. The guys also take a look at the Dolphins roster and pick players they would steal and add to the Steelers if they could.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Your tunes about Drive on your twenty four to seven
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
Good evening, Steeler Nation, and how we doing well? That's
good us too, our number two here on the Drive
on a Wednesday. As things are a little different this week,
but I guess kind of similar in the sense of
our cadence and our rhythm, Matt, because we will not
have a show on Monday, so it's still typical in
that regard. But yes, we are getting ready for all things.
(00:42):
Another massive week across the NFL, another massive Steelers we
talked day. Things certainly are falling into place. They're still
a lot up in the air, but things are getting
coming into focus. We you know, a little bit more
week by week. And I was looking at this and
there's an article on NFL dot com right now, Matt
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that I thought was a pretty good way to kind
of frame things. The top five playoff contenders in the
NFL right now most in need of a win this weekend. Okay, okay,
that makes sense how they're kind of doing that, And
I don't think it's surprising, but number one is the
Indianapolis Cults.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Oh wow, I wouldn't have come up with that, because
I've already written them off. Yeah you know what I mean, Like,
I don't even think of them as a playoff contender anymore,
which is really not fair because anyone can any even Sunday.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
And it has been, as we've outlined many times, it's
been such a week to week league this.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Year, no question. But they play Seattle.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
In Seattle, settle. That might actually be better than having
Seattle come to your house because as we've seen, all
Seattle does on the win on the road is win.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
I know you don't know this answer, but I wonder
if Rivers plays, I mean, if Leonard can't Leonard's got
an injury.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
If it would either be him or Brett Ripen right
is the other option?
Speaker 3 (02:04):
I think If it's if, I think it would be.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Because I think you would at least you point this
out a lot rightfully. So with Aaron Rodgers, I mean
did he wasn't on the sideline for five years like
Rivers was, but there was a gap there too.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Rivers knows this offense.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Rivers knows this offense very well. Him and Shane Steiken
have talked weekly all throughout the season because Rivers has
been running this offense at the high school team that
he coaches, I think out in California, is that right? Whatever?
Whatever whatever team that the high school team that Philip
Rivers coach this year ran this same offense. Talk to
Shane Stike in every Week.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Best friends like Rivers.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
I think they're very close and similar to Joe Flacco,
similar to as you've rightfully so pointed out so many
times this season, I think there's a real comfortability there
with Okay, this guy is not like he was when
he was thirty four now at forty four, but he's
going to minimize so much negative for us. He's gonna
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have everybody lined up, he's gonna know what the defense
is doing. He's gonna check out of the negative. He's
going to help us avoid getting procedural penalties and that
kind of stuff. And if you're the Colts, that might
be good enough. Right now, it might.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
And it's funny he kind of mentioned this. I mean,
more and more the quarterback positions go into freaky athletes,
you know, Lamar Allen, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
And I'm all for that. And we did the mock
draft segment and if and when the Steelers came one
of those guys I want to take someone that has.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Crazy is a pretty darn good athlete, Rag John Daniels
and all these things, right, Caleb Williams exactly.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Tons and tons of them. But this year also taught
us don't sleep on the old dudes. You know that
there's something to be said for Rogers, Flacco, maybe Rivers.
I mean, he's two years old and Rogers that just.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
I know, that's the only just know, every trick of
the trade, one thing for a one year absence away
from the game, and he's forty one or forty two.
This is a five year absence and he's forty four.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
I mean, even like Brissett. You know, the Cardinals were
better with Brissette than they were with Kyler Murray. And
he's just been around a long time and doesn't get fooled.
And maybe none of these guys can move that well anymore,
and all that stuff. But I do think that position,
just the knowledge, the wisdom, I think is the word
to use for those older guys is really really valuable.
(04:26):
In today's NFL. There is these defenses throw so much
at you.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
So much at you. Yeah, and as the game it's
been You've heard this forever. Football is a young man's game, sure,
but I think that continues to be more and more
of a trend, more and more evident. So if you
have guys like this at the quarterback position that have
been in the league for so long, I think it
really helps the high tide that raises the ships of
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all those young guys. Yeah, and your organization and on
your offense.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Right, and the Steelers are a really good example of
that obviously.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
One hundred percent. It is, by the way, in Alaba,
where Philip Rivers currently resides and coaches his high school
football team.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
But they absolutely need I mean back to the article,
they need to win more than anybody. I just don't
think they get.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
It one hundred percent. Philip Rivers, by the way, a
career record of forty four and sixteen in his five
years as the head coach there at Saint Michael Catholic
in Alabama. They have been to the semi finals of
the state championships the last two years, but lost to
Jackson High School both of those times. They went thirteen
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and one and twelve and two last year did Philip
Rivers team, So that offense that he's installing from Shann's
Lark and is working there. I know it sounds crazy,
but I think I would lean in that regard. There's
also something to be said.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
For I would play him right away if he can.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
I'm with you, especially in the if the Colts were
in a better situation where Okay, our quarterback has been
a carousel and injuries and stuff like that, but we're
still winning games.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Yeah, right now.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
I think there's always something to be said too. Got
the sency something different, the guy that walks into the
huddle and you all look at him and you go, okay,
we got a chance.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Yeah, oh yeah, right right. I played with him in
Madden when I was ten. These guys are like that.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
I've seen this guy win big games. I know he's
got four hundred and twenty something career touchdown passes and
over sixty thousand career passing yards, and he's going he
might reset his clock here for five years, but he's
going to the Hall of Fame one day. I think
there's something to be said for that. Motes could could
vouch for this really well. Motes used to reference how
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many times they'd beat this when he the four years
that he was with the Steelers, they'd be in a
bad situation. Yeah, and Ben would just be like, hey, guys, chill,
we got this.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Yeah. Max has mentioned it.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Yeah, and Maxx could better because he was in the huddle.
Marx was on the other side of the football, but
just on the sideline in the locker room. We're fine,
everybody breathe, we got this. Go make a play.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
The famous Rogers relax a la like okay, if he's
relaxed and relaxed, you know.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
And I think for this kind of unraveling the uncertain
it might be what the Colts need.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Right again, I don't think that helps you block Leonard
Williams and you know, beat the Seahawks. But I heard
today like Bordolini, their second year center. He's not even
a rookie. He was like nine months old when Rivers
got drafted. That's hilarious, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
It's hilarious when he got drafted like he got drafted
right right, right, that's crazy. Number two on the list
is the Chiefs agreed.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
I mean, they had to run the table. Who's more
than that.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Who's more desperate for a win? Because the Colts might
have to run the table too. I guess the Chiefs.
I think the Chiefs, because the Colts could probably afford
to lose one more if they go three and one
and they beat the Jags and the.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Texas, they have some division stuff to fall back on.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
At least they have some division stuff and some tie
breakers to fall back on. The Chiefs so pretty much
have to win out. I mean, they they they have
to finish ten and seven.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
And we really laid this out yesterday. But the AFC
seven teams, I don't say they're chiseled and stone because
Steelers could lose to Miami or whatever, but pretty it
sure looks like six and the AFC North champ I think.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
I think so yeah, And hey, maybe maybe we come
in here on month Tuesday and we're singing a different tune.
That's how the league works, because that's how the league works.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
In Houston lost by forty, you know, like.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
The Chiefs and the Colts have felt further off the
mark this week than they have any time here so
far in the month of December. Chargers on deck for
the Chiefs. It's a tough one. They got them at home,
but that's a must must, must, must must win. Number
three on the list and this one is surprising, but
I like it.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
I would think there'll be more NFC. But okay, those
two need it though. I mean those guys are like
in playoff teams the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
This team doesn't necessarily need it in the sense of
securing or get back into the playoff picture because they're going.
But the Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Yeah, I can see what you like. Let's get this
thing right. Let's right the ship. Let's put thirty up
on offense.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
You know, each of the last two seasons, the Eagles
have had one of these cross road moments where it
felt like things are going south. Which way are you
gonna go? Last year the arrow pointed straight up and
they won the Super Bowl. The year before that, they
unraveled and were a disaster. Yeah, yeah, I'm leaning towards
the unraveled and they're a disaster. But I think they're
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still going to go to the playoffs. You got the
Raiders come into town. It's a good get right opportunity.
Let's go beat the Raiders by fourteen or twenty and
and get them feel good and get open in the
right thing.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Let's have everyone with baseball caps on the fourth quarter,
you know, and get back to letting the world know
who we are and we just crushed a bad team.
I think that's a good one to put on there.
So we I did a podcast this morning where we
did a really deep dive of boy, you know, speaking
of the Colts, who's gonna who could be their quarterback
on opening Day next year?
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Cool?
Speaker 3 (10:06):
It's not gonna be Damn Jones.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
I mean, I can promise you right down, not with
an achilles injury like that.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
And I just found this out today too, Like not
only he is of an achilles that happened in December,
which never means good for Week one, but because he
has broken bones in his leg, he can't even start
rehabbing the achilles until the bones heal. So he's gonna
have to wait three, four or five weeks longer than
that even to start then have the surgery. It's terrible. Yeah.
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So I mean we've I pulled out names like Derek Carr,
I mean, like went deep, like who could they possibly
get Phil? I mean I even tell you it, could
it be Rivers or Leonard? But my co host said,
Jalen Hurts, you know, like you mentioned the Eagles, like
could the Eagles be Like could people love Tanner McKee.
I mean, Tanner McKee is a real sleeper, like to
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be a starter somewhat.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
They traded away Kenny Pickett. They were like, we got
Tanner McKee is the backup we're gonna.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
Moved on from.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
You know, Wentz too, the Colts. Is maybe the Colts
would be a little gung shy about trading for another
Philadelphia quarterback.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
But Stichen came from Philly, but he did. Yeah, and
they're an aggressive organization you even.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Think about this, but as did Frank Reich before him. Yeah,
you've just been trying to kind of cheat off the Eagles.
They've been looking at the Eagles paper. They're trying to.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Cheat off the organization, right right, But that you know,
they're aggressive. They have a new owner. You know, they
went all in on sauce. We'll give you a bunch
of her. I mean, I'm just throwing stuff out there.
I mean that's why when you said the Eagles like
if things start getting if they unravel the wrong way, Philly,
they'll get rid of your butt, you know. Oh my gosh, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Jalen Hurts, you were the Super Bowl MVP ten months ago.
You think we give a rip, right, then Philadelphia. You
kidding me, they'll run you out of town faster than right.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
I'll find somebody to like you, right, which is.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Very bizarre because the only people that they don't run
out of Philadelphia are the people who don't win rings
fire people Alan Iverson, Okay, Brian Dawkins, although I guess
I guess that organization ran him off to Denver, but
the fans were apoplectic about it. It's crazy, but you're right,
and Howie Roseman will push the button and make crazy
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moves like that.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Yeah, Yeah, there's aggressive organizations, you know.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
There might I.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Mean, like that's probably what it'll be, or Mac Jones
or something like that. That's a good one.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Remind me of this, and maybe TV can can help too.
But maybe when we're in the off season and we
need some stuff to talk about, we could do the
like the revisit the where's Jalen Hurts playing next year?
Where's this guy next year? Number four on their list,
Matt is the Baltimore Ravens.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Yeah, they got here soon too.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Not in the sense of a win gets you back
into the playoffs or anything like that. But if you
lose to the Bengals, which for which would be the
second time in three weeks. Another AFC loss, another division
loss that you would really kind of be at the
beginning of the end. If you're not able to take
care of.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Losing streak in December, wouldn't settle.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Well all three division games.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
And that's tough over it again, I'm not predicting this
in order. I want it to happen, But they crumble
down the stretch. Harbaugh seat's gonna get warm. I mean
there's already been some of that. He can only win
like one playoff game, and you can't guess where we
need to go. And he's been here too long and
things could go sideways with that organization too. You always
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think I'm being super stable, but they don't always kind
of that's how the league works.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
That's that's an interesting one. You're right, because we haven't
even I don't think even the John Harbaugh is he
going to be there in twenty twenty six conversation, we
haven't had that. I think you will, but I think
he will too.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
But I'm not the only one that's thrown that out there.
I mean, like I've gotten that from other If.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
They go one to three in their last four games,
that's finish seven and ten.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Right. They were supposed to win the Super Bowl this year,
and standards are higher.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Much higher they I mean I told you this. They
were there were not not in droves, but like there
were a lot of Ravens fans that were ready to
leave that game.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
When that when that pass fell incomplete at the goal
line and there was still three minutes left and a
great chance the Ravens were going to get the ball back,
it was like, see you, we're at it. I've seen
this before. I'm done with this team.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Uh. And then number five, mumbo number five, bringing up
the back of the list. Here the Chicago Bears. Oh,
I guess they're at home against the Browns. But it's like, hey,
it's like you can't spiral. You just lost to Green Bay.
The Lions are hot on your trail. Sixty five percent
chance for Chicago to make the playoffs currently, but if
they lose, it falls to forty seven percent. If they win,
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it goes up to seventy two. And part of why
there and this makes sense too, as I guess the
wind in the weather is supposed to be nasty in
Chicago on Sunday, so it's like, hey, you've got a
Browns team that can play defense. You know you are
gonna oh yeah, yeah, bad weather, like you better find way.
You better find a way to get it done and
what could be a tricky spot at home.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Okay, I'm not giving the author a hard time. It's
just if I would have written this article often how
I think, because I've written a thousand articles for these
kind of sights. I mean I probably would have put
Tampa or Detroit ahead of them. I mean, Tampa's going
down a bad road right now. Detroit needs every win
they can get. Almost into Kansas City. Colts Man, I.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Might have had both of those ahead of the Eagles,
And I understand the Eagles perspective.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
I do too. I like that view of it. I
also look at the Bears rightfully so or not, like
they're already playing with house money, Like even if they
lose out, Like I'm happy with what the Bears did, Okay,
so let's go that.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
If they lose out and they go nine to eight
and they missed the playoffs, though.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
I mean, that's miserable, but yeah, it's extreme, you know,
like then you're starting to doubt things again.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
I think if you if you're Chicago and you just
find a way to claw get it because they're the Bears.
You find a way to just claw into the postseason,
even if you get your doors blown off. We like
even it's a great year, even if Week one you
gotta go to or week one, even if wild card
weekend you got to go to Lambeau, or you have
to go to Seattle or yeah, Rams you gotta go
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to l A or Seattle or Philly or Lambeau.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
And you and you, you know, get handled.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Get get handled, you get you get beat decisively. That is,
without a doubt, a good season, house money ahead of schedule.
But I think you gotta get you gotta find a
way to scrape into the playoffs to to keep I
think that optimistic outlook. So there's the five. I'm with you.
Some of those I might have changed. I think the
Colts and the Chiefs definitely belonging there.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Yeah, they're they're really in the playoffs now.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
I think there's some you could argue over the Ravens
because a win still doesn't guarantee Baltimore anything.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
M M, and I lose and loss doesn't destroy.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
You, exactly right, exactly right, But I like that. I
like that conversation, I like that exercise. M h man,
I'm looking at the I just went back to the
homepage here on NFL dot com, and Philip Rivers showed
up for his press conference looking like a uh, you know,
looking like a dad who is just showing up to
pick up his kids from practice. The picture they got here,
he's just like wearing a button up shirt that's half unbuttoned.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
He's got a dad bond. Now, oh yeah, I told you.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
One of my buddies was texting me and was like,
Philip Rivers does not look like he's in football shape.
It was like, buddy, he hasn't played in five years, Like, well, what.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Do you think he doesn't look like I saw him last,
like near to you five years ago, buddy, Right, yeah,
we don't.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Look like we did five years ago, let alone a
former NFL athlete. And you and I were laughing about that,
like it's almost seems like to a man, these guys
go one of opposite ways, Like they either put on
weight after they're playing days because they're not working out
and caring about it as much as they used to,
or they go the Allen Fanica Markeeth Pouncy route and
they drop like two hundred pounds and you could barely recognize.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
I don't want to carry three to ten anymore.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Oh yeah, no, jayants. When we returned on the other side,
let's talk a little bit more about these Miami Dolphins
with one of our favorite weekly exercises. I'll explain when
we return West Shuler Matt Williamson here on the Drive
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Speaker 1 (17:56):
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Speaker 2 (18:10):
Back on the Drive here on a Wednesday, as we
are rolling along and heading towards the finish line, Kenny
Pickett gonna start speaking of the Eagles and the Raiders.
Good luck, young man. Oh yeah, it's not gonna go well,
but good luck, young man.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
We're getting to that point of the season where, oh,
it's time. Were these weird guys?
Speaker 2 (18:28):
I say, this is like a guy who's carried water
for Gino Smith for ten years. It's time. But I
for all the Tom Opferman's and the pit people in
my life that are trying to do the Nana Nana
boo boo thing right now, if you're watching on YouTube,
I'm doing boo boo, good luck, have fun.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
I mean, oh, it's Liken go well.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
In Philadelphia against that defense. I think you could put
Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes on that Raiders offense and
they would struggle with how bad the offensive line is.
Good luck to Kenny two gloves in that environment against
that defense. Weather with that Raiders offense the league, so
I hope it goes better for him. But I again,
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I think you could put a future Hall of Famer
in that position and they would still struggle.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Along those lines. I mean, the league is so cruel
because some of these teams, like Arizona's a perfect example,
they're shutting everyone down. Trey Benson, we open his window,
we're just gonna close it. We're gonna bring him back, I.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Know, like man for my fantasy team guys, right.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
I've only held him for the last ten weeks or whatever,
you know, guys like that. But then then the guy
that they put in there has like no chance to succeed.
It's like, Okay, we're gonna put picking in there, but
we're not gonna bring back Powers Johnson or any of
these guys that can actually block for them or help
them or you know, it's brutal.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
I just want I just want Tom and all my
pit people to keep that same energy on Monday. But
now watch You'll go out there and throw for four
touchdowns and have his performance on a lifetime against his
old pain, the Philadelphia Eggles.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
But then then like it's got this on my phone,
Like it sounds like Mike Evans is gonna play tomorrow night.
So sometimes you get a good thing, you know, Like
that's pretty They just activated him off ir you know.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
I did not say he'd be back in the regular season,
but that's awesome. He's I love that guy, I really do.
I think he's perhaps the most underrated football player of
the past decade.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
In the receiver of all time pecking order, he's higher
than you think.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
He is, higher than anybody think. Yeah, and in that
whole like best receiver of this generation. If you want
to start with ab and Julio, that's fine with me,
but he better be the third one you mentioned.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Yeah, I think he's like in like Larry Land, not
like uh he's.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
He tied Jerry right, he tied a Jerry Rice record.
I mean, if you're tying a record that Jerry Rice
is doing. That's that's pretty stinking good. And until Tom
Brady and Baker Mayfield never had the best quarterback situation
that he was doing it. You know, he's not not
Marvin or Reggie playing with Peyton all that time. Matt,
simple thing here for you. Let's as we start to
(20:47):
talk about the Dolphins a little bit more, our favorite,
let's steal somebody from the steel.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Yet.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Yes, and reminder to everybody, contract money plays into this
all this matter. This is like a you're building a roster,
You're Omar Khan. You're not just borrowing this guy for
the next month of the season, like you're on the
books for him, his contract, his age, all those things
going forward. There's two names that really stand out to me, Mat.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Okay, I have not thought this one through, but I
I liked thinking through them on the air too.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Yes, so like I'd be very tempted to take devon
a chain in a way.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Honestly, he's really dynamic and really hard to play.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
He's so good. I think he might be the most
underrated running back in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Right now, having a monster season.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
I Jalen Waddle is certainly one of the people that
I would consider. Yeah, I know he's got a big
contract and he's not a spring chicken anymore, but he's
been really good lately. He's been very good lately, and
if you plugged him in that offense across the field
from DK Metcalf, that would be a problem. The two
that I'm really considering, though, I guess the three because
(21:59):
I would really consider Jaalen Wattle, Mega Fitzpatrick. Yeah, yeah,
I mean the contract is big, but it's not.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Cord like, not even joking like. Been nice to have him, very.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Nice to have him an Ramsey and to Shawn Elliott
and Joey Porter Junior.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Yeah, yeah, I know, you player.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
I know you'd be adding another sizeable contract to that defense.
But he is a really good player. I think there
is such a high level of knowing what you're getting
with Minka Fitzpatrick, Like there's very little opportunity. You know,
you bring in a Jaalen Wattle and it doesn't work out,
he doesn't mesh with the team, with the coordinator, with
the quarterback, and it ends up going south. Like you
don't see that happening with Minka Fitzpatrick. He's going to
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play at a high level thirty two organizations in the
National Football League. Another one that I would consider those
Zach Siler on the defensive line.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
He's a really good player too that people don't know
about because I think he's like he is a sack
or a couple of plays on Monday Nightland. Who's a
Zach Siler guy?
Speaker 2 (22:56):
You know, I think he's ascending. He doesn't have a
crippling contract, and you know, you plug him in next
to the Derek Harmon's and the Keanu Bentons and the
YA Blacks for the next handful of years, I think
you'd be in really good shape on that defensive front.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
It's not a bad one. I can't go a chan
just because he's also small and he's a running back,
but I have great, great, great respect for his game.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
I guess Syler did just turn thirty.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
I thought he was younger and he's been around a
little while.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Yeah, I thought he was like twenty seven.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
I'd love him on this team right now, right now
would be super useful, especially with like Harmon out. Now
they're O line. There's nobody I would pluck, but they're
O line. Isn't that bad? And Paul the second year
left tackles. Looks like he was a total project. He's
turned into a decent player. They're like the quickest off
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the ball o line I've ever seen by the way.
I mean they move well. Waddle was very very much
in this conversation because I think he's.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
He might be my answer. I think he is talk and.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
FI this out so a note on water Like when
Tyreek has been healthy over the last two years or so,
Waddle kind of gets screwed. He's asked to do a
lot of the really tough work, like clear out routes
for Tyreek and stuff that you know, beat this man
coverage and while there's you know Tyreek's and like jet
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motion and things like that. So he's he's kind of
had to have been an uphill climb. But when but
when Tyreek went out, he's still doing those things. But
his production is spiked like crazy crazy. Yeah. I mean
he's a really really good player and they don't throw
the ball very much. He is my answer, and he's
different than Metcalf, but he's also super dynamic and I
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think he can be a pseudo one. I would throw another.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Name out there, Chop Robinson, Kenneth Grant, ooh, okay.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
I mean I always look at like, who was the
first round pick this year?
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Young defensive tackle?
Speaker 3 (24:52):
I mean massive three hundred and forty pounds. He hasn't
been great this year.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
He is not.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
He started poorly, but he's gotten better, as have the Dolphins.
You know. But I liked him a lot coming out
of Michigan. You know, he was right there with Harmon
for me, and you know, who would you take between
the two of them, those two and Nolan as you know,
first round defensive tackles. I thought for sure the Seers
were going to take one of those three, and we
were right. So I'd still consider him. But I wish
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he was having a better rookie year, burst on the
scene more.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
He did, I think he'd be.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
I think, give me a pick.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
You know, he have on his rookie contract for the
next three years. Jalen Wattles only twenty seven.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
I don't Wat's still got a lot.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Like he just turned twenty seven over Thanksgiving really Thanksgiving week.
His birthday is November twenty fifth, so he just turned
twenty seven.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
That's a pick. That's the pick, that's the pick. Yeah,
I don't know why.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
I thought he was like twenty nine, closer to Minka's age.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
I mean, he makes money, but that's the only downside.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Who Yeah, yeah, he's twenty seven. Pay him his money
for the next three years and he'd be great next
to the.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
DK Metcalf and no problem solved.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
And in that offense, I think that's the answer it is.
I think we're going to agree on that one. Minka, though,
definitely deserves a shout. It's a great call by you
bringing Kenneth Grant into the conversation. I think that's about it.
In terms of guys, who's.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Not the best team to pick from.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
And again, like there's some guys that could, like Devon
eh Chan right now to help you for there would
be great for the rest of the year. Yeah, or Siler,
you know, Siler for the rest of the year would
be awesome. Even someone like Jordan Brooks.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
I would say, Brooks is a really good player that
I figured we'd talk about more Thursday Friday some of
these guys, but he's been super productive. I just don't
know that he's a massive upgrade over Queen and Wilson,
you know, like he'd.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Probably be your number two linebacker.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
I think he's probably better than both those guys. I'm
a Brooks fan, but I don't know that he's.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Like by leaps and bounds. Yeah, it's not Fred.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Warner like, okay, massively changes the outlook of the team
because one of those guys have to go to the bench.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Then, you know, exactly right, exactly right. So yeah, So
there's our kind of weekly exercise of perusing the other
teams roster and deciding who we would like to poach.
We are both going to agree this week and we're
gonna land on Jalen Wattle, and we're gonna have another
explosive piece for that.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Even if we change the rules and allowed a quarterback,
I wouldn't take two it right now, No, I don't
think so. No, I would definitely take Wattle ahead of
to it.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
There's a couple of clear cut yes, I would take
that court.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Most of the quarterbacks that we would take would either
be the Josh Allen Patrick Mahomes established future Hall of
Famers or the Cam Woard Caleb Williams Drake may like
next wave of young guys that you're gonna have on
their rookie contracts for the next few years.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
None of which is a slight on Rogers. It's just
like if I could pluck May from the Patriots, you
do it a million out of a million, I'll give
you throw in two first round picks. I'll give you
anything one.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
I would give you whatever you want for Drake May.
Right now, two first rou how about three? You want three?
Take a third? You're not driving half three. Let's get
to our final segment of the day. On the other side,
another news or notable around the NFL, and let's get
to some of your tweets. It's been a few days
since we've since we've checked the men and pulled some tweets.
We'll do all that and more as we get up
out of here. On the other side, what Hueler, Matt Williamson,
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It is the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio on the
Steelers Audio Network.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
You were tuned about Drive on your twenty four to
seven home of the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Final segment here of the Drive on a Wednesday, and
I want to get to some tweets. But before that, Matt, A,
I don't know. Maybe I guess you could call it
a bigger picture NFL topic that I just wanted to
pick your brain on for a second. Do you know
who Marcus Freeman is? Sort of he's the head coach.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Of Notre Dame.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Well regarded, well regarded. Yeah, they lost Brian Kelly, almost
said Chip Kelly, different college coach. They lost Brian Kelly
to LSU a few years ago. Everyone thought it's a
massive loss for Notre Dame. They promote this Marcus Freeman
guy who was on staff, young and up and comer,
but like, come on, we're Notre Dame. Shouldn't we go
get a big fish? And all he does is in
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year two, he's got him in the the National Championship
Game last year in college football.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Like they were the last cut for the playoffs this
year and.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
The last cut in the playoffs this year.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
And they played the National Player Game last year.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
They played the National Title Game last year. They've had
a lot of NFL draft picks success. Jeremiah Love. I
don't think he's gonna win the Heisman. I think it's
going to be Mendoza, but he certainly is a finalist
and has a strong case. Kelly left, and I think
a lot of people thought the program was going to
take a step back. Instead it's taking a step forward
under Marcus free They are back to being a relevant
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contender in the conversation year in and year out, whereas
it went the opposite way for Kelly at LSU. And
that's you know, exactly right as a kid, it's not
it's not the low Holtz era there, you know where
they're where. They're beating my Mountaineers and Major Harris for
a national championship.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Jerome and Tim Brown.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
He's forty three to twelve as Notre Dame's head coach.
That's pretty pretty good. And again was in the college
football National Championship last year. Is still only thirty nine
years old, not even forty yet.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Do you think most of his losses are a pretty
decent percentage or in his first year?
Speaker 2 (30:22):
So they lost two games this year, and I think
they lost one last.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Year, Okay, so yeah, so yeah, yeah, okay. I mean
maybe take over a bad program, I expect you to
be eleven in one.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Even if you take over a good program, it's still
that first year is always I.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Rocky, yeah, yeah, and no reason somebody else got five
exactly right, exactly right quarterback or you know.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
With that, with the success that he's had, with the
style of program that he's run, there now he's getting
some NFL interest. I've heard, yeah, some potential, a couple potential.
I think he's been mentioned in a couple areas, but
the Giants being the one that keeps popping up. So
what I wanted to ask you with this is, again,
this is a bigger pick your kind of wider range conversation,
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but just how you feel about plucking coaches from college
football to the National Football League, because I think there's
good faith arguments you can make on both sides. Yeah,
I think more often than not it doesn't work.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
I say, there are examples of it, does Pee Mee Johnson, Pete.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Carroll, Jimmy Johnson. I mean, you know, even someone like
and this is I'm aging myself here a little bit,
but even you know, someone like Bill Walsh and Paul
Brown and those guys started in the collegiate ranks. Tom
Coughlin started in collegiate ranks before going on to win
two Super Bowls with the Giants. Pete Carroll's probably the
best example.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
The world was much smaller for all those examples too.
I'm talking about like.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Like Jim Harbaugh has been a good example. A lot
of success at Stanford, a lot of success with the Niners,
a lot of success with Michigan.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
But for the most part he's gone back and forth.
It's just a little different, which is a little different.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
For the most part, it's more Nick Sabans, who win
a national championship at LSU, bomb out at Miami and
they're back in college. Matt Ruhle, who did unbelievable, took
Temple and Baylor to like top twenty any seasons, ten
wins places those programs hadn't been in the bombs out
with Carolina.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Urban Meyer might be the best urban Oh my good
man talking about it from the best of the war
disast right.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
I mean, that's kind of was Nick saban type stuff
too when he was with the Dolphins.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Dolphins were better than the urban Meyer teams.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
But they were they were, So I just wanted to
pick your brain on that and what you kind of think.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
I don't love it.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Yeah, I don't love it either. I'm willing to give
him benefit of the doubt. Bill O'Brien's another example.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
Yeah, Like I don't want to single out Freeman because
I don't know enough about him and I don't know
his personality. It all sounds good, you know, I mean like,
so I'll give him the benefit the doubts, but man,
South Bend, Indiana compared to the Big Apple, just in
terms of city, environment, media, etcetera, etcetera. And I know
there's a lot of pressure at Notre Dame. Don't get
me wrong, it's Notre Dame. But man, I'm just thinking
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about the all the stuff you have to do that's
not football related.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
That's what you do, and you take a lot off
your plate in terms of like the babysitting element of
eighteen and nineteen and twenty year olds who sudden lately
their hometown and are making the money. But they have
people to do that.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
There right right, the GA's are doing that kind of stuff. Yeah,
you know, I leaned towards You'd have to really convince me,
you know what I mean, Like, I would break all
ties against it.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
I I I would love it. And this would never
happen because he's the head coach of the premiere program.
But I would love it if he was like a
defensive coordinator in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
First, yes, or if he had like ties where.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Or if he had been in the NFL in the
past and then got the Notre Dame.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Yeah, like he's never even been I don't know this.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Pe carefull, you know what I mean when he left
the Patriots and got the USC job.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Because this guy ever had an NFL job, I don't
think so. I mean that that's hard for me, man.
And again, I mean, was the linebackers coach five years
ago somewhere or something like that.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
You know, he was not no Ohio State, then Kent State,
then Purdue, then Cincinnati than Notre Dame.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
Yeah, I don't love it. It's a different world, man.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
It is a completely different world. And as you mentioned too,
I think it would be one thing if he was
going to take over for the Indianapolis Colts or the
Minnesota Vikings, order more patient Midwest DeLand base.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
I mean, if he was coming here as opposed.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
And I even think sometimes Matt, I laugh the whole
like that New York media thing is so rough. We
were just kind of talking about the Philadelphia media is
so rough, right, Yes, and no, those guys aren't. They're
not showing up to Nick Sirianni and Jalen hurts his
press conferences with torches and pitchforks.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
There's a lot more people the New York media would
chew you up and spit you out.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
I think some of that is antiquated, Like it's the
social media era. Now these guys have someone telling them
they suck in their comments every every three seconds. These
guys deal with heat and pressure and attention and a
magnifying glass like none other before. And I also think
our brother Dale and I used to He used to
get honked off when I would say things like this.
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So does our good friend Mike Persuda. Don't tell any
of the reporters or journalists, I said this, okay.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
Yeah, we'll keep it quiet.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
But I think those guys' role is more diminished now
than it has ever been before. Oh yeah, in terms
of locker room access and talking to the players and
getting the story and talking to the coaches. There's seven
hundred thousand outlets like the media. Guys don't hold the.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Like they're not on the train with Babe Ruth.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Yes, And we have so many friends in that realm.
And I think it's still an important I still think
it's an important job. That's not what I'm trying to say,
but change there's not this massive connection between the media,
narrative and the fan base anymore. In fact, a lot
of times, I think it's the opposite. The media will
be telling you, hey, calm down, don't push push the
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panic button, where the fan base is like fire everybody,
get them at it, you know. Like I think, I
think there's more disconnect now between the fans and the
reporter journalist media than there has been in the past too.
So yes, there's more pressure there, there's more attention, there's
more eyeballs, all that stuff. But I do always laugh
when people kind of act like the media they're so tough,
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like they're like they're bringing shotguns to the press conferences
and putting bullet holes in you.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
But I just but I bet those press conferences still
have triple the amount of people of a Packers press conference,
you know.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
But they also still have half a dozen PR people
who will shut that thing down in five seconds. Yeah,
if you if you start getting too personal and you
get over the line.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
But even from like a football perspective, the Jets and
Giants haven't won forever. It's not been a conducive area
for winning. That's why I threw the Steelers out, Like, yeah,
they're used to winning. That's you go to a good
environment's great job, they're patient, you know blah blah blah.
But back to your original question, zero NFL experience that
worries me. So here's a small example that we just
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saw is McDonald goes from defensive coordinator in Baltimore to
head coach in Seattle.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
And he was a Georgia right before that, right before
he was at Baltimore.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
No, he was with Michigan with the harbor of that
is the heart learning program, that's right. So he becomes
a head coach in Seattle and signs Washington where Faltonu
and Pennix and on Doonzay and Rosengarden was their offensive coordinator.
We're going to keep him in the Midwest. Make him
the Seahawks offensive coordinator. His first year as head coach
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total disaster, and a lot of it was because he
built plays for the college geometry of the field, didn't
understand the hashmark difference is in the picking up pressure.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
That's what I've told you before. Yeah, I typically hate
it when people use this phrase, but you don't know ball.
You know how people like to say that, sure he
knows ball, he doesn't know ball. When I hear people
say hire Lane Kiffen for insert NFL team here, I'm like,
what are you talking about. Yeah, I'm like Lane Kiffin's
offense would not it's made to manipulate the hashmarks, which
are completely different. In the college it's completely different.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
And it's like, oh, we'll just get.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
These Lane Kiffen all, by the way, one of those
guys who left college and went to the NFL and
flamed out.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
Yeah, I mean, like the dree Archers, We'll just get
him in space. You can't get him in space up here.
You can get him in space in the Big twelve
or even the sec you know, because you're faster than
the dude's chase. Exactly right. This is wide side of
the field. So Ross Tucker is a friend of mine
and we used to host a podcast in together and
he will flat I'll tell you said it on the
air million times so with me. So I've heard him
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since he was an offensive lineman for the Washington team
at the time when Spurrier became the head coach. Legend
from the Swamp. He's Ross is a very smart Princeton
offensive lineman who now has gone to do great things
in business. He's like, we had like three protections. That's
what they had in Florida.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
Mid three, you need fifteen, you know, thirteen it's like
either do this, this or this, and every defensive coordinator
knew it and it overload my left tackle and we
didn't have an answer for it. You know, like it's
a different world.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
It's a completely different world and everything's a different world now.
But I'm with you, I think. And even someone like
Mike McDonald right, who went from Michigan defensive coordinator to
the Ravens defensive coordinator. He was in the NFL for
for seven years before that.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
And it was with the other Harbor brother doing NFL
stuff at the college level.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Correct he was he was doing he was coaching defensive
backs and then linebackers with the Ravens before he went
to the college level, before coming back to Baltimore, before
getting that head coach. The thirty eight years old.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
That's nuts. It's kind of like Tomlin at that age.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
That's not that's like, yeah, that's like Tomlin stuff. That's
like McVeigh stuff.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
My goodness that he was room perfectly by the Harbor brothers,
like go to Michigan call plays because we can't do
it here with Baltimore, and then you'll be our coordinator
as Michigan takes the some Ravens people. You know, like
there's some some benefits of being the Harbor.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Brothers, no doubt, one of those football last names, right,
like being a harborall be a Manning.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
Yeah, yeah, take my guy for a year and then
bring him back, you know, train him to be.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
That is funny. Actually, Like here, take this guy for
a year.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
Yeah, you'll love him. He's awesome.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
He's awesome. Give him, give him a little bit more
on his play, you know.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
I'll make him defense coordinator for the Ravens. You have him,
it's the defense coordinator for the Wolverines for a year,
and then we'll lose them and he'll be a head coach.
And now he's the coach of the second best team
in league.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
That is funny, right, It's worked out very well for
him and them and then for all the parties involved.
But yeah, I'm with you. Marcus Freeman's a guy that
I'm willing to give a lot of benefit of the
doubt to because I do think he's a rising coaching star.
But that is, you know, from South Bend uh to
to the Big Apple as a heck of a leap.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
Yeah, certainly just schematically, and the job description is so
much different.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
Matt, I, this works out well because we only have
a couple of minutes left here till we got to
go to break. Andrew tweets us it's funny. Andrew does
this every week and sometimes I go to it more
so during the offseason. He used to do this with
Motz and I, but he would tweet us three random
questions every week. I think I remember that. I think
we've done this once or twice throughout the few months
of the season. Now it's a good quick way to
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you got ninety seconds to kill before you get out
of here. So Number one, name something you spend too
much time doing social media. I'm on my phone too much.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
I'm on my phone too much. But it's not all
social media, but it's always attached to my body, which
I look at.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
Like on my phone too much.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
Yeah, Like if I like go to the bathroom, I
brain with me, Like what I don't need it, Just
go take a leak.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
You know one thing I've been trying to do and
I think you'll be proud of me. And my wife
is really noticed and she likes it. Is like typically
on Saturdays, I'm getting on a plane and I'm gone
for the weekend, or I'm going to Morgantown to watch
college football or something like that, and then work in
a Steelers home game Sunday. So like Friday nights, I've
tried to like when you and I get home from
the show Friday night, I'll like pull in the garage,
I'll check my phone one last time to make sure
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there's nothing I need to respond to. Yeah, and then
like when I get home, I'll like throw it on
the kitchen counter or something for two hours and just
go be with my girls and be with my wife.
And I think we all spend even if you're good
about being on your phone, I think you probably spend
too much time on it. Let's see he number two.
Do you have a good famous person story.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
I told the John stal Wars story that he told
me that that was pretty cool coming from Dublin, right.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
I told you my Arnold Schwarzenegger and the bike shop
and asked the Colorado story. I think, yeah, where I
saw Arnold and I wanted to go bug him in
a bike shop and asked in Colorado, I was like nine,
and my dad was like, no, leave him alone. He's
just a regular guy. He's getting his bike fixed, like,
don't go bug him. And then he goes to leave
like two minutes later, and he goes, hey, buddy.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
I five I ever tell the John Gruden story.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
I don't know if you ever told the Junger. I
was from your time to pit now.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
I was the Senior Bowl and we were at a
really really nice steakhouse. ESPN sent me there this before.
I was with you know, way back when, and Gruden
signed a new contract that day and I'm in a
urinal and he comes into the urinal next to me.
He had been having a really good time. He had
signed a huge monster deal. He's one of the top
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coaches and sure, and I just gave him a congratulations coach.
And I mentioned to him while we're taking leaks next
to each other base I'm like, Walt Harris also gave
me my first job. That's pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
That's cool, Like, hey, we have this in common.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
He ga'd for Walt at Tennessee. I think it was
I'm a million years ago, and he's like, awesome, dude.
Walt was got me know, like we ended up talking.
I was just going to say that and walk out,
but we're like washing our hands together, and we both
had a few and he was like, yeah, that's awesome,
but I had to pick up his son. I'm like,
I had to pick up his younger son. You know
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that kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
That's really good. Yeah, yeah, that's really good. And I
could see him and.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
He's like, congratulations on the contract, is all it was?
Speaker 2 (43:38):
Yes, Yes, I could see him being good in that
type of moment too, like it was all wound up.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
Yeah right, I mean, how would you not be signed
a multimillion dollar contract a couple of hours before that,
you know, and it was Senior Bowl City. It wasn't
like I was bugging him Rando like he knew I
was somewhat affiliated.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
Yeah right, He's not, just like in the grocery store
trying to get a couple of things to get out
of there, right right, right? Yeah, one here, this is
a good one. What is the last thing you found
yourself going down a rabbit hole researching?
Speaker 3 (44:05):
Hmm?
Speaker 2 (44:07):
I know mine?
Speaker 3 (44:08):
Bringing on.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
It's a recent serial killer show on Netflix, The Ed
Gainey Story.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
Oh yeah that anything?
Speaker 2 (44:18):
Yeah, sorry, anytime anytime I watch one of those, whether
it's the Dahmer Story, whether anytime I watch one of
those serial killer murder things on Netflix or HBO or
wherever it is, I always find myself like, Okay, let's
go find out the real Stull compare the TV show
to the and how twisted was this really guy? Really?
And what did he end up in jail for? And
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how long and all that time.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
Along those lines. I know a lot about those things
before they came out, Like it's kind of not a
hobby of mine, but sure like the profiling shows and
my wife and I are both into and she's even
said things like, in a perfect if she could have
my life and pick the perfect job, then maybe profiler
or you know, like yeah, forensics person figure things out,
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should have been great at it. But so we've done
a lot of serial killer stuff over the years and
learn like I knew a ton about ed Gean before
I watched them, you know.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
So that that's typically And then a lot of times
on like bands and musicians, I'll find myself and what
I could see, Like a couple a couple of months ago,
the Billy Joel documentary came out on HBO, and like
in the first hour of it, they talk about how
he wanted to be in a metal band when he
was younger, Like Ozzy Osbourne was his hero, and he
was in like a metal band and had like black
hair and the leather jacket. And so I'm like going
down a wormhole, like can I find it? Is Billy
(45:33):
Joel music of him and his in his metal band
in his heavy metal era. So yeah, serial killer stuff
and like bands and artists before my time.
Speaker 3 (45:41):
Maybe they're crazy out there stuff, you know, right.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
Oh buddy is there?
Speaker 3 (45:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (45:45):
Yeah, yeah, But that was good stuff there from Andrew
to get us up out of here today tomorrow on
the show on Thursday, we will fully kind of begin
turning the page to the Dolphins. We'll talk to Bob Labriola.
We'll start to get into some of Matt's stats and
some early scout of Miami. All of that and more
on the program tomorrow. Big thanks to Chris Halick for
joining us, Nathan for producing TV for being our video
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producer slash resident statistician for Matt Williamson. I'm Wes Uhler.
Take care everybody, and we will talk to you tomorrow.
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
Good evening, Steeler Nation, and how we doing well? That's
good us too, our number two here on the Drive
on a Wednesday. As things are a little different this week,
but I guess kind of similar in the sense of
our cadence and our rhythm, Matt, because we will not
have a show on Monday, so it's still typical in
that regard. But yes, we are getting ready for all things.
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Another massive week across the NFL, another massive Steelers we
talked day. Things certainly are falling into place. They're still
a lot up in the air, but things are getting
coming into focus. We you know, a little bit more
week by week. And I was looking at this and
there's an article on NFL dot com right now, Matt
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that I thought was a pretty good way to kind
of frame things. The top five playoff contenders in the
NFL right now most in need of a win this weekend. Okay, okay,
that makes sense how they're kind of doing that, And
I don't think it's surprising, but number one is the
Indianapolis Cults.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Oh wow, I wouldn't have come up with that, because
I've already written them off. Yeah you know what I mean, Like,
I don't even think of them as a playoff contender anymore,
which is really not fair because anyone can any even Sunday.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
And it has been, as we've outlined many times, it's
been such a week to week league this.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Year, no question. But they play Seattle.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
In Seattle, settle. That might actually be better than having
Seattle come to your house because as we've seen, all
Seattle does on the win on the road is win.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
I know you don't know this answer, but I wonder
if Rivers plays, I mean, if Leonard can't Leonard's got
an injury.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
If it would either be him or Brett Ripen right
is the other option?
Speaker 3 (02:04):
I think If it's if, I think it would be.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Because I think you would at least you point this
out a lot rightfully. So with Aaron Rodgers, I mean
did he wasn't on the sideline for five years like
Rivers was, but there was a gap there too.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Rivers knows this offense.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Rivers knows this offense very well. Him and Shane Steiken
have talked weekly all throughout the season because Rivers has
been running this offense at the high school team that
he coaches, I think out in California, is that right? Whatever?
Whatever whatever team that the high school team that Philip
Rivers coach this year ran this same offense. Talk to
Shane Stike in every Week.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Best friends like Rivers.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
I think they're very close and similar to Joe Flacco,
similar to as you've rightfully so pointed out so many
times this season, I think there's a real comfortability there
with Okay, this guy is not like he was when
he was thirty four now at forty four, but he's
going to minimize so much negative for us. He's gonna
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have everybody lined up, he's gonna know what the defense
is doing. He's gonna check out of the negative. He's
going to help us avoid getting procedural penalties and that
kind of stuff. And if you're the Colts, that might
be good enough. Right now, it might.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
And it's funny he kind of mentioned this. I mean,
more and more the quarterback positions go into freaky athletes,
you know, Lamar Allen, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
And I'm all for that. And we did the mock
draft segment and if and when the Steelers came one
of those guys I want to take someone that has.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Crazy is a pretty darn good athlete, Rag John Daniels
and all these things, right, Caleb Williams exactly.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Tons and tons of them. But this year also taught
us don't sleep on the old dudes. You know that
there's something to be said for Rogers, Flacco, maybe Rivers.
I mean, he's two years old and Rogers that just.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
I know, that's the only just know, every trick of
the trade, one thing for a one year absence away
from the game, and he's forty one or forty two.
This is a five year absence and he's forty four.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
I mean, even like Brissett. You know, the Cardinals were
better with Brissette than they were with Kyler Murray. And
he's just been around a long time and doesn't get fooled.
And maybe none of these guys can move that well anymore,
and all that stuff. But I do think that position,
just the knowledge, the wisdom, I think is the word
to use for those older guys is really really valuable.
(04:26):
In today's NFL. There is these defenses throw so much
at you.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
So much at you. Yeah, and as the game it's
been You've heard this forever. Football is a young man's game, sure,
but I think that continues to be more and more
of a trend, more and more evident. So if you
have guys like this at the quarterback position that have
been in the league for so long, I think it
really helps the high tide that raises the ships of
(04:50):
all those young guys. Yeah, and your organization and on
your offense.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Right, and the Steelers are a really good example of
that obviously.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
One hundred percent. It is, by the way, in Alaba,
where Philip Rivers currently resides and coaches his high school
football team.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
But they absolutely need I mean back to the article,
they need to win more than anybody. I just don't
think they get.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
It one hundred percent. Philip Rivers, by the way, a
career record of forty four and sixteen in his five
years as the head coach there at Saint Michael Catholic
in Alabama. They have been to the semi finals of
the state championships the last two years, but lost to
Jackson High School both of those times. They went thirteen
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and one and twelve and two last year did Philip
Rivers team, So that offense that he's installing from Shann's
Lark and is working there. I know it sounds crazy,
but I think I would lean in that regard. There's
also something to be said.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
For I would play him right away if he can.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
I'm with you, especially in the if the Colts were
in a better situation where Okay, our quarterback has been
a carousel and injuries and stuff like that, but we're
still winning games.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Yeah, right now.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
I think there's always something to be said too. Got
the sency something different, the guy that walks into the
huddle and you all look at him and you go, okay,
we got a chance.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Yeah, oh yeah, right right. I played with him in
Madden when I was ten. These guys are like that.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
I've seen this guy win big games. I know he's
got four hundred and twenty something career touchdown passes and
over sixty thousand career passing yards, and he's going he
might reset his clock here for five years, but he's
going to the Hall of Fame one day. I think
there's something to be said for that. Motes could could
vouch for this really well. Motes used to reference how
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many times they'd beat this when he the four years
that he was with the Steelers, they'd be in a
bad situation. Yeah, and Ben would just be like, hey, guys, chill,
we got this.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Yeah. Max has mentioned it.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Yeah, and Maxx could better because he was in the huddle.
Marx was on the other side of the football, but
just on the sideline in the locker room. We're fine,
everybody breathe, we got this. Go make a play.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
The famous Rogers relax a la like okay, if he's
relaxed and relaxed, you know.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
And I think for this kind of unraveling the uncertain
it might be what the Colts need.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Right again, I don't think that helps you block Leonard
Williams and you know, beat the Seahawks. But I heard
today like Bordolini, their second year center. He's not even
a rookie. He was like nine months old when Rivers
got drafted. That's hilarious, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
It's hilarious when he got drafted like he got drafted
right right, right, that's crazy. Number two on the list
is the Chiefs agreed.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
I mean, they had to run the table. Who's more
than that.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Who's more desperate for a win? Because the Colts might
have to run the table too. I guess the Chiefs.
I think the Chiefs, because the Colts could probably afford
to lose one more if they go three and one
and they beat the Jags and the.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Texas, they have some division stuff to fall back on.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
At least they have some division stuff and some tie
breakers to fall back on. The Chiefs so pretty much
have to win out. I mean, they they they have
to finish ten and seven.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
And we really laid this out yesterday. But the AFC
seven teams, I don't say they're chiseled and stone because
Steelers could lose to Miami or whatever, but pretty it
sure looks like six and the AFC North champ I think.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
I think so yeah, And hey, maybe maybe we come
in here on month Tuesday and we're singing a different tune.
That's how the league works, because that's how the league works.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
In Houston lost by forty, you know, like.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
The Chiefs and the Colts have felt further off the
mark this week than they have any time here so
far in the month of December. Chargers on deck for
the Chiefs. It's a tough one. They got them at home,
but that's a must must, must, must must win. Number
three on the list and this one is surprising, but
I like it.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
I would think there'll be more NFC. But okay, those
two need it though. I mean those guys are like
in playoff teams the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
This team doesn't necessarily need it in the sense of
securing or get back into the playoff picture because they're going.
But the Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Yeah, I can see what you like. Let's get this
thing right. Let's right the ship. Let's put thirty up
on offense.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
You know, each of the last two seasons, the Eagles
have had one of these cross road moments where it
felt like things are going south. Which way are you
gonna go? Last year the arrow pointed straight up and
they won the Super Bowl. The year before that, they
unraveled and were a disaster. Yeah, yeah, I'm leaning towards
the unraveled and they're a disaster. But I think they're
(09:33):
still going to go to the playoffs. You got the
Raiders come into town. It's a good get right opportunity.
Let's go beat the Raiders by fourteen or twenty and
and get them feel good and get open in the
right thing.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Let's have everyone with baseball caps on the fourth quarter,
you know, and get back to letting the world know
who we are and we just crushed a bad team.
I think that's a good one to put on there.
So we I did a podcast this morning where we
did a really deep dive of boy, you know, speaking
of the Colts, who's gonna who could be their quarterback
on opening Day next year?
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Cool?
Speaker 3 (10:06):
It's not gonna be Damn Jones.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
I mean, I can promise you right down, not with
an achilles injury like that.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
And I just found this out today too, Like not
only he is of an achilles that happened in December,
which never means good for Week one, but because he
has broken bones in his leg, he can't even start
rehabbing the achilles until the bones heal. So he's gonna
have to wait three, four or five weeks longer than
that even to start then have the surgery. It's terrible. Yeah.
(10:32):
So I mean we've I pulled out names like Derek Carr,
I mean, like went deep, like who could they possibly
get Phil? I mean I even tell you it, could
it be Rivers or Leonard? But my co host said,
Jalen Hurts, you know, like you mentioned the Eagles, like
could the Eagles be Like could people love Tanner McKee.
I mean, Tanner McKee is a real sleeper, like to
(10:54):
be a starter somewhat.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
They traded away Kenny Pickett. They were like, we got
Tanner McKee is the backup we're gonna.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
Moved on from.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
You know, Wentz too, the Colts. Is maybe the Colts
would be a little gung shy about trading for another
Philadelphia quarterback.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
But Stichen came from Philly, but he did. Yeah, and
they're an aggressive organization you even.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Think about this, but as did Frank Reich before him. Yeah,
you've just been trying to kind of cheat off the Eagles.
They've been looking at the Eagles paper. They're trying to.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Cheat off the organization, right right, But that you know,
they're aggressive. They have a new owner. You know, they
went all in on sauce. We'll give you a bunch
of her. I mean, I'm just throwing stuff out there.
I mean that's why when you said the Eagles like
if things start getting if they unravel the wrong way, Philly,
they'll get rid of your butt, you know. Oh my gosh, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Jalen Hurts, you were the Super Bowl MVP ten months ago.
You think we give a rip, right, then Philadelphia. You
kidding me, they'll run you out of town faster than right.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
I'll find somebody to like you, right, which is.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Very bizarre because the only people that they don't run
out of Philadelphia are the people who don't win rings
fire people Alan Iverson, Okay, Brian Dawkins, although I guess
I guess that organization ran him off to Denver, but
the fans were apoplectic about it. It's crazy, but you're right,
and Howie Roseman will push the button and make crazy
(12:07):
moves like that.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Yeah, Yeah, there's aggressive organizations, you know.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
There might I.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Mean, like that's probably what it'll be, or Mac Jones
or something like that. That's a good one.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Remind me of this, and maybe TV can can help too.
But maybe when we're in the off season and we
need some stuff to talk about, we could do the
like the revisit the where's Jalen Hurts playing next year?
Where's this guy next year? Number four on their list,
Matt is the Baltimore Ravens.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Yeah, they got here soon too.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Not in the sense of a win gets you back
into the playoffs or anything like that. But if you
lose to the Bengals, which for which would be the
second time in three weeks. Another AFC loss, another division
loss that you would really kind of be at the
beginning of the end. If you're not able to take
care of.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Losing streak in December, wouldn't settle.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Well all three division games.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
And that's tough over it again, I'm not predicting this
in order. I want it to happen, But they crumble
down the stretch. Harbaugh seat's gonna get warm. I mean
there's already been some of that. He can only win
like one playoff game, and you can't guess where we
need to go. And he's been here too long and
things could go sideways with that organization too. You always
(13:18):
think I'm being super stable, but they don't always kind
of that's how the league works.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
That's that's an interesting one. You're right, because we haven't
even I don't think even the John Harbaugh is he
going to be there in twenty twenty six conversation, we
haven't had that. I think you will, but I think
he will too.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
But I'm not the only one that's thrown that out there.
I mean, like I've gotten that from other If.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
They go one to three in their last four games,
that's finish seven and ten.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Right. They were supposed to win the Super Bowl this year,
and standards are higher.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Much higher they I mean I told you this. They
were there were not not in droves, but like there
were a lot of Ravens fans that were ready to
leave that game.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
When that when that pass fell incomplete at the goal
line and there was still three minutes left and a
great chance the Ravens were going to get the ball back,
it was like, see you, we're at it. I've seen
this before. I'm done with this team.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Uh. And then number five, mumbo number five, bringing up
the back of the list. Here the Chicago Bears. Oh,
I guess they're at home against the Browns. But it's like, hey,
it's like you can't spiral. You just lost to Green Bay.
The Lions are hot on your trail. Sixty five percent
chance for Chicago to make the playoffs currently, but if
they lose, it falls to forty seven percent. If they win,
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it goes up to seventy two. And part of why
there and this makes sense too, as I guess the
wind in the weather is supposed to be nasty in
Chicago on Sunday, so it's like, hey, you've got a
Browns team that can play defense. You know you are
gonna oh yeah, yeah, bad weather, like you better find way.
You better find a way to get it done and
what could be a tricky spot at home.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Okay, I'm not giving the author a hard time. It's
just if I would have written this article often how
I think, because I've written a thousand articles for these
kind of sights. I mean I probably would have put
Tampa or Detroit ahead of them. I mean, Tampa's going
down a bad road right now. Detroit needs every win
they can get. Almost into Kansas City. Colts Man, I.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Might have had both of those ahead of the Eagles,
And I understand the Eagles perspective.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
I do too. I like that view of it. I
also look at the Bears rightfully so or not, like
they're already playing with house money, Like even if they
lose out, Like I'm happy with what the Bears did, Okay,
so let's go that.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
If they lose out and they go nine to eight
and they missed the playoffs, though.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
I mean, that's miserable, but yeah, it's extreme, you know,
like then you're starting to doubt things again.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
I think if you if you're Chicago and you just
find a way to claw get it because they're the Bears.
You find a way to just claw into the postseason,
even if you get your doors blown off. We like
even it's a great year, even if Week one you
gotta go to or week one, even if wild card
weekend you got to go to Lambeau, or you have
to go to Seattle or yeah, Rams you gotta go
(16:02):
to l A or Seattle or Philly or Lambeau.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
And you and you, you know, get handled.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Get get handled, you get you get beat decisively. That is,
without a doubt, a good season, house money ahead of schedule.
But I think you gotta get you gotta find a
way to scrape into the playoffs to to keep I
think that optimistic outlook. So there's the five. I'm with you.
Some of those I might have changed. I think the
Colts and the Chiefs definitely belonging there.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Yeah, they're they're really in the playoffs now.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
I think there's some you could argue over the Ravens
because a win still doesn't guarantee Baltimore anything.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
M M, and I lose and loss doesn't destroy.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
You, exactly right, exactly right, But I like that. I
like that conversation, I like that exercise. M h man,
I'm looking at the I just went back to the
homepage here on NFL dot com, and Philip Rivers showed
up for his press conference looking like a uh, you know,
looking like a dad who is just showing up to
pick up his kids from practice. The picture they got here,
he's just like wearing a button up shirt that's half unbuttoned.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
He's got a dad bond. Now, oh yeah, I told you.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
One of my buddies was texting me and was like,
Philip Rivers does not look like he's in football shape.
It was like, buddy, he hasn't played in five years, Like, well, what.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Do you think he doesn't look like I saw him last,
like near to you five years ago, buddy, Right, yeah,
we don't.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Look like we did five years ago, let alone a
former NFL athlete. And you and I were laughing about that,
like it's almost seems like to a man, these guys
go one of opposite ways, Like they either put on
weight after they're playing days because they're not working out
and caring about it as much as they used to,
or they go the Allen Fanica Markeeth Pouncy route and
they drop like two hundred pounds and you could barely recognize.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
I don't want to carry three to ten anymore.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Oh yeah, no, jayants. When we returned on the other side,
let's talk a little bit more about these Miami Dolphins
with one of our favorite weekly exercises. I'll explain when
we return West Shuler Matt Williamson here on the Drive
on Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers Audio Network, your tunes.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
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Speaker 2 (18:10):
Back on the Drive here on a Wednesday, as we
are rolling along and heading towards the finish line, Kenny
Pickett gonna start speaking of the Eagles and the Raiders.
Good luck, young man. Oh yeah, it's not gonna go well,
but good luck, young man.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
We're getting to that point of the season where, oh,
it's time. Were these weird guys?
Speaker 2 (18:28):
I say, this is like a guy who's carried water
for Gino Smith for ten years. It's time. But I
for all the Tom Opferman's and the pit people in
my life that are trying to do the Nana Nana
boo boo thing right now, if you're watching on YouTube,
I'm doing boo boo, good luck, have fun.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
I mean, oh, it's Liken go well.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
In Philadelphia against that defense. I think you could put
Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes on that Raiders offense and
they would struggle with how bad the offensive line is.
Good luck to Kenny two gloves in that environment against
that defense. Weather with that Raiders offense the league, so
I hope it goes better for him. But I again,
(19:05):
I think you could put a future Hall of Famer
in that position and they would still struggle.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Along those lines. I mean, the league is so cruel
because some of these teams, like Arizona's a perfect example,
they're shutting everyone down. Trey Benson, we open his window,
we're just gonna close it. We're gonna bring him back, I.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Know, like man for my fantasy team guys, right.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
I've only held him for the last ten weeks or whatever,
you know, guys like that. But then then the guy
that they put in there has like no chance to succeed.
It's like, Okay, we're gonna put picking in there, but
we're not gonna bring back Powers Johnson or any of
these guys that can actually block for them or help
them or you know, it's brutal.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
I just want I just want Tom and all my
pit people to keep that same energy on Monday. But
now watch You'll go out there and throw for four
touchdowns and have his performance on a lifetime against his
old pain, the Philadelphia Eggles.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
But then then like it's got this on my phone,
Like it sounds like Mike Evans is gonna play tomorrow night.
So sometimes you get a good thing, you know, Like
that's pretty They just activated him off ir you know.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
I did not say he'd be back in the regular season,
but that's awesome. He's I love that guy, I really do.
I think he's perhaps the most underrated football player of
the past decade.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
In the receiver of all time pecking order, he's higher
than you think.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
He is, higher than anybody think. Yeah, and in that
whole like best receiver of this generation. If you want
to start with ab and Julio, that's fine with me,
but he better be the third one you mentioned.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Yeah, I think he's like in like Larry Land, not
like uh he's.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
He tied Jerry right, he tied a Jerry Rice record.
I mean, if you're tying a record that Jerry Rice
is doing. That's that's pretty stinking good. And until Tom
Brady and Baker Mayfield never had the best quarterback situation
that he was doing it. You know, he's not not
Marvin or Reggie playing with Peyton all that time. Matt,
simple thing here for you. Let's as we start to
(20:47):
talk about the Dolphins a little bit more, our favorite,
let's steal somebody from the steel.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Yet.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Yes, and reminder to everybody, contract money plays into this
all this matter. This is like a you're building a roster,
You're Omar Khan. You're not just borrowing this guy for
the next month of the season, like you're on the
books for him, his contract, his age, all those things
going forward. There's two names that really stand out to me, Mat.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Okay, I have not thought this one through, but I
I liked thinking through them on the air too.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Yes, so like I'd be very tempted to take devon
a chain in a way.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Honestly, he's really dynamic and really hard to play.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
He's so good. I think he might be the most
underrated running back in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Right now, having a monster season.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
I Jalen Waddle is certainly one of the people that
I would consider. Yeah, I know he's got a big
contract and he's not a spring chicken anymore, but he's
been really good lately. He's been very good lately, and
if you plugged him in that offense across the field
from DK Metcalf, that would be a problem. The two
that I'm really considering, though, I guess the three because
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I would really consider Jaalen Wattle, Mega Fitzpatrick. Yeah, yeah,
I mean the contract is big, but it's not.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Cord like, not even joking like. Been nice to have him, very.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Nice to have him an Ramsey and to Shawn Elliott
and Joey Porter Junior.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Yeah, yeah, I know, you player.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
I know you'd be adding another sizeable contract to that defense.
But he is a really good player. I think there
is such a high level of knowing what you're getting
with Minka Fitzpatrick, Like there's very little opportunity. You know,
you bring in a Jaalen Wattle and it doesn't work out,
he doesn't mesh with the team, with the coordinator, with
the quarterback, and it ends up going south. Like you
don't see that happening with Minka Fitzpatrick. He's going to
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play at a high level thirty two organizations in the
National Football League. Another one that I would consider those
Zach Siler on the defensive line.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
He's a really good player too that people don't know
about because I think he's like he is a sack
or a couple of plays on Monday Nightland. Who's a
Zach Siler guy?
Speaker 2 (22:56):
You know, I think he's ascending. He doesn't have a
crippling contract, and you know, you plug him in next
to the Derek Harmon's and the Keanu Bentons and the
YA Blacks for the next handful of years, I think
you'd be in really good shape on that defensive front.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
It's not a bad one. I can't go a chan
just because he's also small and he's a running back,
but I have great, great, great respect for his game.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
I guess Syler did just turn thirty.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
I thought he was younger and he's been around a
little while.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Yeah, I thought he was like twenty seven.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
I'd love him on this team right now, right now
would be super useful, especially with like Harmon out. Now
they're O line. There's nobody I would pluck, but they're
O line. Isn't that bad? And Paul the second year
left tackles. Looks like he was a total project. He's
turned into a decent player. They're like the quickest off
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the ball o line I've ever seen by the way.
I mean they move well. Waddle was very very much
in this conversation because I think he's.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
He might be my answer. I think he is talk and.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
FI this out so a note on water Like when
Tyreek has been healthy over the last two years or so,
Waddle kind of gets screwed. He's asked to do a
lot of the really tough work, like clear out routes
for Tyreek and stuff that you know, beat this man
coverage and while there's you know Tyreek's and like jet
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motion and things like that. So he's he's kind of
had to have been an uphill climb. But when but
when Tyreek went out, he's still doing those things. But
his production is spiked like crazy crazy. Yeah. I mean
he's a really really good player and they don't throw
the ball very much. He is my answer, and he's
different than Metcalf, but he's also super dynamic and I
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think he can be a pseudo one. I would throw another.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Name out there, Chop Robinson, Kenneth Grant, ooh, okay.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
I mean I always look at like, who was the
first round pick this year?
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Young defensive tackle?
Speaker 3 (24:52):
I mean massive three hundred and forty pounds. He hasn't
been great this year.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
He is not.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
He started poorly, but he's gotten better, as have the Dolphins.
You know. But I liked him a lot coming out
of Michigan. You know, he was right there with Harmon
for me, and you know, who would you take between
the two of them, those two and Nolan as you know,
first round defensive tackles. I thought for sure the Seers
were going to take one of those three, and we
were right. So I'd still consider him. But I wish
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he was having a better rookie year, burst on the
scene more.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
He did, I think he'd be.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
I think, give me a pick.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
You know, he have on his rookie contract for the
next three years. Jalen Wattles only twenty seven.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
I don't Wat's still got a lot.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Like he just turned twenty seven over Thanksgiving really Thanksgiving week.
His birthday is November twenty fifth, so he just turned
twenty seven.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
That's a pick. That's the pick, that's the pick. Yeah,
I don't know why.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
I thought he was like twenty nine, closer to Minka's age.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
I mean, he makes money, but that's the only downside.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Who Yeah, yeah, he's twenty seven. Pay him his money
for the next three years and he'd be great next
to the.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
DK Metcalf and no problem solved.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
And in that offense, I think that's the answer it is.
I think we're going to agree on that one. Minka, though,
definitely deserves a shout. It's a great call by you
bringing Kenneth Grant into the conversation. I think that's about it.
In terms of guys, who's.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Not the best team to pick from.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
And again, like there's some guys that could, like Devon
eh Chan right now to help you for there would
be great for the rest of the year. Yeah, or Siler,
you know, Siler for the rest of the year would
be awesome. Even someone like Jordan Brooks.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
I would say, Brooks is a really good player that
I figured we'd talk about more Thursday Friday some of
these guys, but he's been super productive. I just don't
know that he's a massive upgrade over Queen and Wilson,
you know, like he'd.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Probably be your number two linebacker.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
I think he's probably better than both those guys. I'm
a Brooks fan, but I don't know that he's.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Like by leaps and bounds. Yeah, it's not Fred.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Warner like, okay, massively changes the outlook of the team
because one of those guys have to go to the bench.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Then, you know, exactly right, exactly right. So yeah, So
there's our kind of weekly exercise of perusing the other
teams roster and deciding who we would like to poach.
We are both going to agree this week and we're
gonna land on Jalen Wattle, and we're gonna have another
explosive piece for that.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Even if we change the rules and allowed a quarterback,
I wouldn't take two it right now, No, I don't
think so. No, I would definitely take Wattle ahead of
to it.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
There's a couple of clear cut yes, I would take
that court.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Most of the quarterbacks that we would take would either
be the Josh Allen Patrick Mahomes established future Hall of
Famers or the Cam Woard Caleb Williams Drake may like
next wave of young guys that you're gonna have on
their rookie contracts for the next few years.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
None of which is a slight on Rogers. It's just
like if I could pluck May from the Patriots, you
do it a million out of a million, I'll give
you throw in two first round picks. I'll give you
anything one.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
I would give you whatever you want for Drake May.
Right now, two first rou how about three? You want three?
Take a third? You're not driving half three. Let's get
to our final segment of the day. On the other side,
another news or notable around the NFL, and let's get
to some of your tweets. It's been a few days
since we've since we've checked the men and pulled some tweets.
We'll do all that and more as we get up
out of here. On the other side, what Hueler, Matt Williamson,
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It is the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio on the
Steelers Audio Network.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
You were tuned about Drive on your twenty four to
seven home of the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Final segment here of the Drive on a Wednesday, and
I want to get to some tweets. But before that, Matt, A,
I don't know. Maybe I guess you could call it
a bigger picture NFL topic that I just wanted to
pick your brain on for a second. Do you know
who Marcus Freeman is? Sort of he's the head coach.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Of Notre Dame.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Well regarded, well regarded. Yeah, they lost Brian Kelly, almost
said Chip Kelly, different college coach. They lost Brian Kelly
to LSU a few years ago. Everyone thought it's a
massive loss for Notre Dame. They promote this Marcus Freeman
guy who was on staff, young and up and comer,
but like, come on, we're Notre Dame. Shouldn't we go
get a big fish? And all he does is in
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year two, he's got him in the the National Championship
Game last year in college football.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Like they were the last cut for the playoffs this
year and.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
The last cut in the playoffs this year.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
And they played the National Player Game last year.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
They played the National Title Game last year. They've had
a lot of NFL draft picks success. Jeremiah Love. I
don't think he's gonna win the Heisman. I think it's
going to be Mendoza, but he certainly is a finalist
and has a strong case. Kelly left, and I think
a lot of people thought the program was going to
take a step back. Instead it's taking a step forward
under Marcus free They are back to being a relevant
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contender in the conversation year in and year out, whereas
it went the opposite way for Kelly at LSU. And
that's you know, exactly right as a kid, it's not
it's not the low Holtz era there, you know where
they're where. They're beating my Mountaineers and Major Harris for
a national championship.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Jerome and Tim Brown.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
He's forty three to twelve as Notre Dame's head coach.
That's pretty pretty good. And again was in the college
football National Championship last year. Is still only thirty nine
years old, not even forty yet.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Do you think most of his losses are a pretty
decent percentage or in his first year?
Speaker 2 (30:22):
So they lost two games this year, and I think
they lost one last.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Year, Okay, so yeah, so yeah, yeah, okay. I mean
maybe take over a bad program, I expect you to
be eleven in one.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Even if you take over a good program, it's still
that first year is always I.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Rocky, yeah, yeah, and no reason somebody else got five
exactly right, exactly right quarterback or you know.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
With that, with the success that he's had, with the
style of program that he's run, there now he's getting
some NFL interest. I've heard, yeah, some potential, a couple potential.
I think he's been mentioned in a couple areas, but
the Giants being the one that keeps popping up. So
what I wanted to ask you with this is, again,
this is a bigger pick your kind of wider range conversation,
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but just how you feel about plucking coaches from college
football to the National Football League, because I think there's
good faith arguments you can make on both sides. Yeah,
I think more often than not it doesn't work.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
I say, there are examples of it, does Pee Mee Johnson, Pete.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Carroll, Jimmy Johnson. I mean, you know, even someone like
and this is I'm aging myself here a little bit,
but even you know, someone like Bill Walsh and Paul
Brown and those guys started in the collegiate ranks. Tom
Coughlin started in collegiate ranks before going on to win
two Super Bowls with the Giants. Pete Carroll's probably the
best example.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
The world was much smaller for all those examples too.
I'm talking about like.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Like Jim Harbaugh has been a good example. A lot
of success at Stanford, a lot of success with the Niners,
a lot of success with Michigan.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
But for the most part he's gone back and forth.
It's just a little different, which is a little different.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
For the most part, it's more Nick Sabans, who win
a national championship at LSU, bomb out at Miami and
they're back in college. Matt Ruhle, who did unbelievable, took
Temple and Baylor to like top twenty any seasons, ten
wins places those programs hadn't been in the bombs out
with Carolina.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Urban Meyer might be the best urban Oh my good
man talking about it from the best of the war
disast right.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
I mean, that's kind of was Nick saban type stuff
too when he was with the Dolphins.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Dolphins were better than the urban Meyer teams.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
But they were they were, So I just wanted to
pick your brain on that and what you kind of think.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
I don't love it.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Yeah, I don't love it either. I'm willing to give
him benefit of the doubt. Bill O'Brien's another example.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
Yeah, Like I don't want to single out Freeman because
I don't know enough about him and I don't know
his personality. It all sounds good, you know, I mean like,
so I'll give him the benefit the doubts, but man,
South Bend, Indiana compared to the Big Apple, just in
terms of city, environment, media, etcetera, etcetera. And I know
there's a lot of pressure at Notre Dame. Don't get
me wrong, it's Notre Dame. But man, I'm just thinking
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about the all the stuff you have to do that's
not football related.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
That's what you do, and you take a lot off
your plate in terms of like the babysitting element of
eighteen and nineteen and twenty year olds who sudden lately
their hometown and are making the money. But they have
people to do that.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
There right right, the GA's are doing that kind of stuff. Yeah,
you know, I leaned towards You'd have to really convince me,
you know what I mean, Like, I would break all
ties against it.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
I I I would love it. And this would never
happen because he's the head coach of the premiere program.
But I would love it if he was like a
defensive coordinator in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
First, yes, or if he had like ties where.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Or if he had been in the NFL in the
past and then got the Notre Dame.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Yeah, like he's never even been I don't know this.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Pe carefull, you know what I mean when he left
the Patriots and got the USC job.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Because this guy ever had an NFL job, I don't
think so. I mean that that's hard for me, man.
And again, I mean, was the linebackers coach five years
ago somewhere or something like that.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
You know, he was not no Ohio State, then Kent State,
then Purdue, then Cincinnati than Notre Dame.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
Yeah, I don't love it. It's a different world, man.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
It is a completely different world. And as you mentioned too,
I think it would be one thing if he was
going to take over for the Indianapolis Colts or the
Minnesota Vikings, order more patient Midwest DeLand base.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
I mean, if he was coming here as opposed.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
And I even think sometimes Matt, I laugh the whole
like that New York media thing is so rough. We
were just kind of talking about the Philadelphia media is
so rough, right, Yes, and no, those guys aren't. They're
not showing up to Nick Sirianni and Jalen hurts his
press conferences with torches and pitchforks.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
There's a lot more people the New York media would
chew you up and spit you out.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
I think some of that is antiquated, Like it's the
social media era. Now these guys have someone telling them
they suck in their comments every every three seconds. These
guys deal with heat and pressure and attention and a
magnifying glass like none other before. And I also think
our brother Dale and I used to He used to
get honked off when I would say things like this.
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So does our good friend Mike Persuda. Don't tell any
of the reporters or journalists, I said this, okay.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
Yeah, we'll keep it quiet.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
But I think those guys' role is more diminished now
than it has ever been before. Oh yeah, in terms
of locker room access and talking to the players and
getting the story and talking to the coaches. There's seven
hundred thousand outlets like the media. Guys don't hold the.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Like they're not on the train with Babe Ruth.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Yes, And we have so many friends in that realm.
And I think it's still an important I still think
it's an important job. That's not what I'm trying to say,
but change there's not this massive connection between the media,
narrative and the fan base anymore. In fact, a lot
of times, I think it's the opposite. The media will
be telling you, hey, calm down, don't push push the
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panic button, where the fan base is like fire everybody,
get them at it, you know. Like I think, I
think there's more disconnect now between the fans and the
reporter journalist media than there has been in the past too.
So yes, there's more pressure there, there's more attention, there's
more eyeballs, all that stuff. But I do always laugh
when people kind of act like the media they're so tough,
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like they're like they're bringing shotguns to the press conferences
and putting bullet holes in you.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
But I just but I bet those press conferences still
have triple the amount of people of a Packers press conference,
you know.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
But they also still have half a dozen PR people
who will shut that thing down in five seconds. Yeah,
if you if you start getting too personal and you
get over the line.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
But even from like a football perspective, the Jets and
Giants haven't won forever. It's not been a conducive area
for winning. That's why I threw the Steelers out, Like, yeah,
they're used to winning. That's you go to a good
environment's great job, they're patient, you know blah blah blah.
But back to your original question, zero NFL experience that
worries me. So here's a small example that we just
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saw is McDonald goes from defensive coordinator in Baltimore to
head coach in Seattle.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
And he was a Georgia right before that, right before
he was at Baltimore.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
No, he was with Michigan with the harbor of that
is the heart learning program, that's right. So he becomes
a head coach in Seattle and signs Washington where Faltonu
and Pennix and on Doonzay and Rosengarden was their offensive coordinator.
We're going to keep him in the Midwest. Make him
the Seahawks offensive coordinator. His first year as head coach
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total disaster, and a lot of it was because he
built plays for the college geometry of the field, didn't
understand the hashmark difference is in the picking up pressure.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
That's what I've told you before. Yeah, I typically hate
it when people use this phrase, but you don't know ball.
You know how people like to say that, sure he
knows ball, he doesn't know ball. When I hear people
say hire Lane Kiffen for insert NFL team here, I'm like,
what are you talking about. Yeah, I'm like Lane Kiffin's
offense would not it's made to manipulate the hashmarks, which
are completely different. In the college it's completely different.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
And it's like, oh, we'll just get.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
These Lane Kiffen all, by the way, one of those
guys who left college and went to the NFL and
flamed out.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
Yeah, I mean, like the dree Archers, We'll just get
him in space. You can't get him in space up here.
You can get him in space in the Big twelve
or even the sec you know, because you're faster than
the dude's chase. Exactly right. This is wide side of
the field. So Ross Tucker is a friend of mine
and we used to host a podcast in together and
he will flat I'll tell you said it on the
air million times so with me. So I've heard him
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since he was an offensive lineman for the Washington team
at the time when Spurrier became the head coach. Legend
from the Swamp. He's Ross is a very smart Princeton
offensive lineman who now has gone to do great things
in business. He's like, we had like three protections. That's
what they had in Florida.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
Mid three, you need fifteen, you know, thirteen it's like
either do this, this or this, and every defensive coordinator
knew it and it overload my left tackle and we
didn't have an answer for it. You know, like it's
a different world.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
It's a completely different world and everything's a different world now.
But I'm with you, I think. And even someone like
Mike McDonald right, who went from Michigan defensive coordinator to
the Ravens defensive coordinator. He was in the NFL for
for seven years before that.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
And it was with the other Harbor brother doing NFL
stuff at the college level.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Correct he was he was doing he was coaching defensive
backs and then linebackers with the Ravens before he went
to the college level, before coming back to Baltimore, before
getting that head coach. The thirty eight years old.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
That's nuts. It's kind of like Tomlin at that age.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
That's not that's like, yeah, that's like Tomlin stuff. That's
like McVeigh stuff.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
My goodness that he was room perfectly by the Harbor brothers,
like go to Michigan call plays because we can't do
it here with Baltimore, and then you'll be our coordinator
as Michigan takes the some Ravens people. You know, like
there's some some benefits of being the Harbor.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Brothers, no doubt, one of those football last names, right,
like being a harborall be a Manning.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
Yeah, yeah, take my guy for a year and then
bring him back, you know, train him to be.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
That is funny. Actually, Like here, take this guy for
a year.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
Yeah, you'll love him. He's awesome.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
He's awesome. Give him, give him a little bit more
on his play, you know.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
I'll make him defense coordinator for the Ravens. You have him,
it's the defense coordinator for the Wolverines for a year,
and then we'll lose them and he'll be a head coach.
And now he's the coach of the second best team
in league.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
That is funny, right, It's worked out very well for
him and them and then for all the parties involved.
But yeah, I'm with you. Marcus Freeman's a guy that
I'm willing to give a lot of benefit of the
doubt to because I do think he's a rising coaching star.
But that is, you know, from South Bend uh to
to the Big Apple as a heck of a leap.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
Yeah, certainly just schematically, and the job description is so
much different.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
Matt, I, this works out well because we only have
a couple of minutes left here till we got to
go to break. Andrew tweets us it's funny. Andrew does
this every week and sometimes I go to it more
so during the offseason. He used to do this with
Motz and I, but he would tweet us three random
questions every week. I think I remember that. I think
we've done this once or twice throughout the few months
of the season. Now it's a good quick way to
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you got ninety seconds to kill before you get out
of here. So Number one, name something you spend too
much time doing social media. I'm on my phone too much.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
I'm on my phone too much. But it's not all
social media, but it's always attached to my body, which
I look at.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
Like on my phone too much.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
Yeah, Like if I like go to the bathroom, I
brain with me, Like what I don't need it, Just
go take a leak.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
You know one thing I've been trying to do and
I think you'll be proud of me. And my wife
is really noticed and she likes it. Is like typically
on Saturdays, I'm getting on a plane and I'm gone
for the weekend, or I'm going to Morgantown to watch
college football or something like that, and then work in
a Steelers home game Sunday. So like Friday nights, I've
tried to like when you and I get home from
the show Friday night, I'll like pull in the garage,
I'll check my phone one last time to make sure
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there's nothing I need to respond to. Yeah, and then
like when I get home, I'll like throw it on
the kitchen counter or something for two hours and just
go be with my girls and be with my wife.
And I think we all spend even if you're good
about being on your phone, I think you probably spend
too much time on it. Let's see he number two.
Do you have a good famous person story.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
I told the John stal Wars story that he told
me that that was pretty cool coming from Dublin, right.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
I told you my Arnold Schwarzenegger and the bike shop
and asked the Colorado story. I think, yeah, where I
saw Arnold and I wanted to go bug him in
a bike shop and asked in Colorado, I was like nine,
and my dad was like, no, leave him alone. He's
just a regular guy. He's getting his bike fixed, like,
don't go bug him. And then he goes to leave
like two minutes later, and he goes, hey, buddy.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
I five I ever tell the John Gruden story.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
I don't know if you ever told the Junger. I
was from your time to pit now.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
I was the Senior Bowl and we were at a
really really nice steakhouse. ESPN sent me there this before.
I was with you know, way back when, and Gruden
signed a new contract that day and I'm in a
urinal and he comes into the urinal next to me.
He had been having a really good time. He had
signed a huge monster deal. He's one of the top
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coaches and sure, and I just gave him a congratulations coach.
And I mentioned to him while we're taking leaks next
to each other base I'm like, Walt Harris also gave
me my first job. That's pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
That's cool, Like, hey, we have this in common.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
He ga'd for Walt at Tennessee. I think it was
I'm a million years ago, and he's like, awesome, dude.
Walt was got me know, like we ended up talking.
I was just going to say that and walk out,
but we're like washing our hands together, and we both
had a few and he was like, yeah, that's awesome,
but I had to pick up his son. I'm like,
I had to pick up his younger son. You know
(43:28):
that kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
That's really good. Yeah, yeah, that's really good. And I
could see him and.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
He's like, congratulations on the contract, is all it was?
Speaker 2 (43:38):
Yes, Yes, I could see him being good in that
type of moment too, like it was all wound up.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
Yeah right, I mean, how would you not be signed
a multimillion dollar contract a couple of hours before that,
you know, and it was Senior Bowl City. It wasn't
like I was bugging him Rando like he knew I
was somewhat affiliated.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
Yeah right, He's not, just like in the grocery store
trying to get a couple of things to get out
of there, right right, right? Yeah, one here, this is
a good one. What is the last thing you found
yourself going down a rabbit hole researching?
Speaker 3 (44:05):
Hmm?
Speaker 2 (44:07):
I know mine?
Speaker 3 (44:08):
Bringing on.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
It's a recent serial killer show on Netflix, The Ed
Gainey Story.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
Oh yeah that anything?
Speaker 2 (44:18):
Yeah, sorry, anytime anytime I watch one of those, whether
it's the Dahmer Story, whether anytime I watch one of
those serial killer murder things on Netflix or HBO or
wherever it is, I always find myself like, Okay, let's
go find out the real Stull compare the TV show
to the and how twisted was this really guy? Really?
And what did he end up in jail for? And
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how long and all that time.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
Along those lines. I know a lot about those things
before they came out, Like it's kind of not a
hobby of mine, but sure like the profiling shows and
my wife and I are both into and she's even
said things like, in a perfect if she could have
my life and pick the perfect job, then maybe profiler
or you know, like yeah, forensics person figure things out,
(45:02):
should have been great at it. But so we've done
a lot of serial killer stuff over the years and
learn like I knew a ton about ed Gean before
I watched them, you know.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
So that that's typically And then a lot of times
on like bands and musicians, I'll find myself and what
I could see, Like a couple a couple of months ago,
the Billy Joel documentary came out on HBO, and like
in the first hour of it, they talk about how
he wanted to be in a metal band when he
was younger, Like Ozzy Osbourne was his hero, and he
was in like a metal band and had like black
hair and the leather jacket. And so I'm like going
down a wormhole, like can I find it? Is Billy
(45:33):
Joel music of him and his in his metal band
in his heavy metal era. So yeah, serial killer stuff
and like bands and artists before my time.
Speaker 3 (45:41):
Maybe they're crazy out there stuff, you know, right.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
Oh buddy is there?
Speaker 3 (45:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (45:45):
Yeah, yeah, But that was good stuff there from Andrew
to get us up out of here today tomorrow on
the show on Thursday, we will fully kind of begin
turning the page to the Dolphins. We'll talk to Bob Labriola.
We'll start to get into some of Matt's stats and
some early scout of Miami. All of that and more
on the program tomorrow. Big thanks to Chris Halick for
joining us, Nathan for producing TV for being our video
(46:08):
producer slash resident statistician for Matt Williamson. I'm Wes Uhler.
Take care everybody, and we will talk to you tomorrow.
As always, you know where to find us. It's on
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