Hr2: Scouting the Browns

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Good evening, Steeler Nation. How we do it? Well, that's
good us too. Our number two. I'm gonna get a
chuckle out of Mat every time. As long as he
keeps chuckling, I'll keep doing it our number two of
the Drive here on Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers
Audio Network. As we get closer and closer to Sunday,
and I just you know what, Matt, just real quick

(00:46):
off the topic, it's gonna be nice to be at
Akroscher Stadium on Sunday. I've been a while, right. I
know that Vikings game counted as a home game, but
that's the furthest game that the Steelers are gonna play
all season. At the same time as well.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
We're pretty deep in the season. Did not have much
act your action, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
I mean like I'm driving home from work and everyone's
got their Halloween stuff out. Yeah, yeah, Costco's got Christmas
stuff out already. It's getting dark at seven o'clock.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
Now, sure.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
And the Steelers have played one game home game at
Akshire Stadium.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
Which means there's a lot coming up which means there's a.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
Lot coming up, which is the good news.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
Of that, and you're sitting in good shape, sitting in.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Good shape and hopefully getting a right opponent at the
right time. In those Cleveland Browns, who were you know.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
They scare me a little, though they always yeah, I mean,
defense scares me.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
They particularly scare me in Cleveland where the Steelers I
think have lost three years in a row there, the
Browns have I.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
Meant to ask Labs this and sorry to interrupting, You're good.
I mean I hate and that so many Thursday games
or division games, hate them. I mean, and I've asked
many people why that's the case. There's one to night,
there's I mean one next week's including Steers. There's a
lot of them, and they do them on purpose because
the league says, well, you know this opponent better than others.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
It's easier for you to be interesting.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
That's their lodge.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
I figured it was like because Jeff Bezos wrote a
huge check for Amazon to have the rights too important.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
Yes, obviously a little bit of both, But the fact
that they basically count double as other games. I hate.
It's so much harder on the road team and Steelers
at Browns on Thursday night is the best example ever.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
They they I feel like the Steelers have kind of
gotten the short end of the stick in that regard,
Like a lot of their Thursday games over the recent
years have been on the road against the divisional.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
Opponent off in Cleveland. It doesn't go well.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Wasn't that snow Globe game was a Thursday game? I'm
pretty sure if I'm remembering correctly. As mister TV our
video producer nods his head over there, now you got
to go in way more, way more. Yeah, Like a
few years ago when the Steelers hosted one, it was
at home against the Titans. If I'm if I'm recalling correctly, okay, great, yeah, yeah,
you know, but yeah, that's it's it's the division ones

(02:53):
are tough, and especially it feels like the Steelers get
most of those on the road.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
Now. What I'm hoping, and I know we want to
get this practice for it is if and when eighteen
games two buys come that game is with ten days rest.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
Yes, it makes more sense.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
That's right, you know, right, you still put a great
product on Thursday night for everyone to see you, but
one team doesn't have to turn around and you know
be there.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
And I mean Labs made a great point Monday, you're
doing nothing, nothing but recovery and trying to break down
the coaches everything. Everything. Yeah, they're like sleep. They're going
like Sunday night to the office, probably the Steelers. After
the Browns are on the plane. I would imagine the
coaching staff is going back to the south side of
the offices after that Browns game Sunday to let alone.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
If you have a road game on Sunday before even
worse terrible and you get like half a practice, you.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
Get like half a practice on Tuesday, and then Wednesday
you practice and you get on the plane, it's just yeah,
it's it's not idea, not right at all. Uh. And
speaking of those Browns, here's what they've got in their
injury report. I guess some good news, some bad news.
Joel Buttonio went from limited on Wednesday to full participant today.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
Uh he missed any time last week?

Speaker 2 (03:59):
No, I I don't believe. So. Malachi Corley has been
limited both days with a groin injury. It's one to
keep an eye on.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
So yeah, he's not part of the mix much though.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Grant Delpit full participant with an ankle injury. Mike Hall,
the defensive tackle, has been limited the past two days
with a knee injury. Here's the big one, though, Matt
for two days in a row Wednesday and Thursday. Miles
Garrett limited with an ankle injury and no resting VET
status there. So just purely limited with an ankle in

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practice yesterday and today was Miles King.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
That's all news to me. Let's not get our hopes up.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
I yeah, no doubt, but I think it's still noteworthy.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
Oh yeah, it's something to massively keep an.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
Eye less than ideal if you're if you're Cleveland, certainly.
Demante Kayz has not practiced yet this week. Yeah, formerly
of this parish. He did not practice Wednesday or today
with an illness. So something to keep an eye on there.
Let's see here, Katie, it's in the tackle has been
limited Wednesday and Thursday with a calf injury.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
Okay, they want to replace him with Cam Robinson anyway?

Speaker 2 (05:08):
Yes? Correct? And then good news for Denzel Ward. He
was limited yesterday with a hip injury, but was back
to full participant today.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
Okay, Award's a great player too, but I mean it
sounds like he's gonna play, I think, so okay, so
we're in pretty good shapeall and all. I'm gonna assume
Garrett's playing.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
I'm going to as well too.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
Well, you know, sure they don't need to practice him
hard to get him on the field.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
That's the you know, he is the proverbial veteran that
just get yourself right for Sunday and that's all that matters.
But yeah, going to be something that will keep an
eye on tomorrow as well to certainly with some of
those final reports and see if anybody's ruled out and
who's questionable and doubtful and all those different things.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
Last Garrett note, though I've mentioned all week Colum pressed,
I am with him and I think he's leveled up
this year, but the Minnesota game was definitely his worst
game of the year. Wasn't think he was a bad player,
at least impact least impactful, and I wonder did he
have an ankle early in that one, or you know,
maybe you get that version of them. I think he's
gonna play, but I mean, if you get that version

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as opposed to the superhuman, then good.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
And I don't think i'm breaking any news here, but
if you're dealing with some type of injury like that
and then having to get on a plane for eight
hours to fly home. It's not the greatest thing either.
I mean, that's a big part of the reason why
the Steelers had Alex high Smith stay back. It's a
big reason why they had to get Calvin Austin evaluated
at a Dublin hospital before he could get on the plane.

(06:32):
Because you have some of those injuries and you get
on a plane for that long, yeah, really make the
swelling and some of the issues worse. Again, if you
have a forty minute flight from Buffalo to Cleveland, be it,
so be it. But a seven and a half eight
hour flight back from you know, back from Europe, back
from England, completely different story. Matt. I wanted to for

(06:55):
the back half of this segment. In our next segment,
get back into some Matt's stats with you, if that's
all right with you always, and let's kind of start
or continue maybe Steelers offense, Brown's defense, because I think
that's where a lot of the meat of this matchup is.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
I mean, the Browns defense is a lot better than
their offense.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
A very good Browns defense against I think a Steelers
offense that is coming off of one of their their
most encouraging performance since the opener against the Jets. I
think certainly. So let's talk about this Steelers using play
action thirteen percent of the time. Only the Falcons, Jets, Eagles,
and Bucks use it less. This is another thing we

(07:33):
spent a lot of time talking about at the start
of the season. Still very low play action numbers for
the Steelers.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
Yeah, and I'd like to give the bottom of it
more because week one against the Jets it was very high.
I want to say it was like thirty nine percent,
because I remember in Matt.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
Stats for Week two it was in the thirties.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
I was citing things along the lines of, that's the
most play action Aaron Rodgers is used in a decade
or something crazy like that, because he is not big
on play action over the course of his career. He
doesn't love it. And but it worked really well and
they put a ton of points against the Jets. He
was highly successful with play action, and I wonder they've

(08:15):
clearly gotten away from it. Is it his uncomfortableness with it?
I bet not. I bet all right, let me do
this if we operate under this. Yeah, and again I
don't know this, and I don't know that I even
believe it. But if they believe it, it's all that

(08:38):
matters is if they're super worried about their past protection.
It just explains a lot of how they play offense.
I mean, all the short passing, lack of shot, lack
of play action.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
Long'ive Mike, Tomlin and Arthur some truth serum and get
their honest answer on that.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
And I think the best analy and I think I'm
pretty decent at this, can read the tea leaves of
why teams do things. You know, Dale and I talked about.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
This for years, especially after four games too, right, You.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
Know that there's a couple of times during the years
that during the year the teams don't lie to you
or to anyone the draft. They're gonna pick the player
they want. They're not trying to form smoke screen and
take the guy that they don't.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
Like, unless it's the Browns and they pass on Richard.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
Free agency, you know, hires and fires, you know where
they spend their money. When people tell you the podium,
it's sometimes true, sometimes it isn't. Sometimes you gotta read
the tea leaves for all teams. But where What I
love about off season acquisitions is no one lies, you know,
or trade or whatever. Absolutely other reasons are the other

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things you have to decipher or you know, get the
Dakoder ring out and figure it out. But it seems
kind of a parent that they don't trust their past
protection or a lot of these things wouldn't be the
derivative of it.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
I think you're absolutely right, and I think you can
kind of combine that with the fact of worried about
the past protection and worried about the exposure the hits
for forty one year old air.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it all goes hands hand.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
If you've got twenty seven year old Ben or twenty
seven year old Aaron, you're more likely to let them
sit back there and still take some of those shots,
even in the face of some protection concerns for two reasons.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
But better shape and you're you know, you're less likely
for injury. I mean, you order to get the more
brittle you get anyone that has kids. You guys both
had young kids. They can fall on the steps don't
even know it. You know, they can bounce them like basketballs,
they don't even know it.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Like my daughters would fall off their bike and I'm like.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
Oh, oh, it hurts me for a week.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
A little give me a band aid down right.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
They might cry for a minute, but they're fine where
I'd be weeping like a old man. And they just
don't protect themselves in the pocket as well either. I mean,
like they don't elude there. They're not as mobile, you know, right, right, right,
So I think that's part of it. But true, I
think if you look at the roots, I don't know
that they trust their protection.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
And again, if it was one game against Seattle that
they didn't trust their protection in that defensive front, okay, fine,
but it's been the four games against four different opponents,
and it is now certainly a theme.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
The play calling and the way they've played offense implies
strongly that they don't protect trust their protection.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
And Matt another one again, Wendy, learn to trust it.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
You know, you can't live that way forever.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
And this kind of paints that picture as well too.
A great stat by you air yards per attempt in
the NFL so far this season, the Steelers are dead
last at four point seven yards.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
I don't like saying last, they're lowest, lowest because the
ones that's highest. Doesn't mean that they're hitting eight r bombs,
chucking and ducking, you know, right right.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
Lowest air yards per attempt on average at four point
seven yards.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
They're the only team that I put the other ones
that are close on purpose.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
And they're not really that close.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
That's why I put them in there.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
The Cardinals at thirty one are five point nine, a
full yard higher.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
So much more right, And there's thirty one.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
The Steelers are the only team under five yards. The
Cardinals are the only team under six yards. Yeah, So
like the Steelers at four point seven yards air yards
per attempt at thirty second in the league, the Patriots,
who are at twenty eighth are six point nine. That's
a massive two yard difference, massive difference, and that's only
four spots ahead in the pecking order.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
That to me is again you read the tea leaves,
you look at the numbers, and you cannot deny some things.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
Yes, these are these are strong trend they're not even trends.
These are facts, facts.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
And that you are right now, that number, to me
aids in painting that picture that you were just.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
Putting down for And it's a little too extreme, Like
I said, it's not last, and it isn't last, it's
the lowest. But I'm not saying it's good either. Yeah,
you don't want to be that extreme, you know. I mean,
and again, they're really good after catch, Rogers is great
in the quick game, all those things. But I think
you're gonna have to push the ball down the field
at some point. I mean, I don't think you can
live that way for seventeen plus game.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Absolutely no chance. And maybe this is not the Sunday
that we start to see it. I don't against his
Browns defense.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
Yeah, maybe the Bengals are throwing at twenty yards left
and right. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
At some point you're going to have to stretch the field.
You're gonna have to push that thing downfield.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
We have enough data that tells us a lot of things. Yeah, yes,
here's some good news, and real quick. That's why I
tweeted it that way, as opposed to saying Steelers are
lowest in the league. Well, look at the ones right
behind them too. They're not even close.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
Close right that. I'm really glad you included the others there,
because that paints the picture of how conservative it's been.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
Because there are some stats where Okay, Steeers are twenty
ninth in the league. It's this, but they're really not
that much different from the twenty second team or the
eighteenth team.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
You need that full scope right right, right, Matt, last
one here before we go to break and get into
some more of these. The good news is the Steelers
have been very good, very efficient in the red zone
on offense, sixty nine point two percent of the time
scoring a touchdown, which is eighth best in the NFL.
Cleveland for their offensive struggles, they're tenth best in the NFL,

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not too far behind the Steelers. It's sixty six point
seven percent. Here's the kicker, though, The Browns defense dead
last in the red zone. Yeah, seventy eight point six
percent of the times allowing a touchdown when teams get
down in the red zone. How's that work for me?
That this defense has been so good, so stingy, but
they're really bad in the red zone.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
I don't have an answer why I would have to
watch every red zone snap and maybe there's only eight
of them. I mean there's there could just be a
small stand there's more than eight, but I mean there
may there's only eight drives or something. I mean, there's
definitely small stample size because they are good on defense.
A lot of times teams will go to more man
in that situation, and they're a good man coverage team.
They rush the passer. They're the best run defense in

(14:55):
the league. But there's two things actually, and Tom Offerman
and I have been talking about the last two days
because I do two shows. I do Wednesday show with
him and Tim and we do a Tuesday podcast too,
you can find on Steelers dot com. And there's as
good as this defense is, there's two things that they're
at the bottom the league in red zone defense, which
the Steelers red zone offense is great, that's not a

(15:18):
good thing. That's a bad matchup for the Browns for sure.
Nothing that's not something you want to be weak in
this game for And their short pass defense is really bad.
Well we just talked, right, So the more I think
about this week, I love that the Steelers ran the
ball in Dublin. Great, you know, run the ball. They
might just think and duncle like crazy and just not

(15:40):
try to run the ball. Again.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Rogers passes and thirty of them are within ten yards.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
Of super short and maybe they do max protect and
take some throw some bombs on top of it. I
think that's should be in the cards, especially in single
high safety year.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
And again at least certainly some intermediate routes.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
And the Browns don't like light boxes. That's another thing
I tweeted out too, So you should have some some
a lot of bodies near the line of scrimmage. So
I think this is a good time to take shots
and maybe bring Anderson in, not to mash their face,
but to help protect you know, yeah, you know so.
But if they don't run the ball well this week,
it might be by not by design, but it might

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be that's not the priority.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
This is not where we're gonna make hey this week.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
And it's the smartest move, yeah right right, No, their
short passing is not great. Rogers is killing it, you know.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
And that makes a lot of sense, and especially now again,
you know, four games into this for the Steelers, five
games into this for the Browns, those trends are like
fact and yeah, yeah, yeah, And I think you know
what you do well at this point, you know what
they do well and where they struggle, and you love
it when those kind of blend together and what will
hopefully be a successful passing attack and hopefully some red

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zone success for the Steelers offense on Sunday. Matt, let's
take our well, I guess I almost said final break.
It's not our final break, our pen ultimate oh break.
Here if you will closing down, I got some more
stats I want to run by you before we get
to our last segment where we will close with some tweets,
So keep those rolling in at Williamson, NFL at wesle
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Speaker 1 (17:22):
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Speaker 2 (18:00):
Final dive into max stats packets here on this Thursday. Matt,
let's continue rolling. Yeah, some of these. I wanted to
go big picture here to start with this one because
we have talked a lot of the AFC North and
the outlook and the good position that the Steelers are
in at this point. Steelers are three and one. If

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they moved to four and one with a win on Sunday,
seventy nine percent of the time teams that start four
and one go to the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (18:31):
Yeah, it's pretty strong, indicating.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
Pretty good, right, right of five times. Basically, if you
hit eighty percent there almost.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
Now that's from year two thousand. This comes straight from
the league. This is some of the stuff Lab sends us.
Come straight from the league. It's from the year two thousand.
I'm sure it's altered a little now that seven teams
go as a as a six the whole time, so
it's probably even.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
I came now for a few years too.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
Yeah, there's seventeen game schedule and seventeen and seven teams go,
so it's actually probably higher than.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
That, probably more like eighty two eight four percent something
like that. That's a great point by you. This is, though,
kind of the razor margins that Labs was referencing. If
the Steelers were to fall to three and two.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
Which doesn't seem that bad, you're still a winning record.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
You know, fifty percent of the time three and two
teams make the playoffs. So you're a coin flip. Yeah, yeah,
you are a proverbial coin flip. A crazy stat that
you have in here in this pack. At this week,
Cleveland has led on the scoreboard this season for only
six percent of their offensive plays. Only the Tennessee Titans

(19:30):
are lower it's very and that somebody's lower. But I
guess that Green Bay win. They weren't in the lead
until the very last play, right right where they kicked
that field goal.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
I think they that they never let on the scoreboard
in regulations were correct.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
It was tied when they kicked that field goal.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
That's and I guess they never they didn't get the
first score right.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
And that six percent I think was all from the
Vikings game where or maybe there was a brief period
in the Bengals in the opener, say in one.

Speaker 3 (20:03):
Of those games, they could have been up seven to
nothing for a minute and then the next team goes
on the screen.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
You run one hundred offensive plays, six of them you
were in the lead for lead for six percent. That
is wild.

Speaker 3 (20:15):
That is wild, and it affects the play calling and
everything of course too. It's like we're losing already, you know, right.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
And that I think plays into how the Browns defense
has been much better in the first half than the
second half.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
Yeah, I think that leads.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
How long could you be the hoover dam and hold
the water off before it busts forward? Yeah, it's just
it's human nature.

Speaker 3 (20:34):
It's only reasonable, Like I forget the number, but like
the Ravens last year and especially the Eagles last year,
their number was like seventy percent. I'm sure, you know,
like I always have the lead, Barkley Henry, you know,
coming at you like crazy in the second half, and
you got to think a lot of the time for
the first three, four or five minutes of the of

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the game, it's zero zero if you don't score off
the bash. Yeah, it's like it's you know, there's a
lot of them that are just a wash. Or you
get three points and I answer three points.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
You know, Matt, you referenced a time of possession earlier on.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
It really worries me with this team.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
Yeah, let's paint this picture and dig into this a
little bit more. Steelers opponents through their four games have
run fifty four more offensive plays than the Steelers average
of eleven more per game that the Steelers defense is
on the field than their opposition.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
It's gonna wear on you.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
It's gonna wear on you. And you can draw a
direct direct correlation to the Steelers time of possession per game,
which is an average of twenty six minutes and forty
six seconds, third lowest in the league. Only ahead of
Cincinnati and Baltimore.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
Yeah, the only way you can survive that way and
the long term is to be like the most explosive
team in the league. You're like, okay, I get I
get the ball, you kick off to me, and I
hit a seventy yarder and I only eat up eighteen
seconds of play clock, but I scored seven points. You know, like, like,
but that's that doesn't.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
This was a big thing. You remember when when it
was at the same time that Chip Kelly was at
or and had them humming when they were playing like
lights and one of the top ten teams in the country. Yeah,
and Rich Rodriguez was at WVU his first stint and
top ten team in the country, and those two teams
were like such outliers because their time of possession for

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their offense was like twenty four to twenty five minutes
a game because they played soap because they played so
fast and were scoring so quick.

Speaker 4 (22:20):
And three and out's hurt your bad though, but it
was exactly right, three and taking good and so a
big part of that was like, yeah, these teams are
finishing in the top ten every year and they're winning
double digit games and they're having a ton of success,
but if they want to win national championships, they can't
have their defense on the field that often.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
There's a real kind of chicken or egg thing that well.

Speaker 3 (22:38):
And as you know, especially a huge school like Oregon
too well, I'll just go the second team dudes are
also in scholarship. The third team dudes are also on scholarship.
Your rosters are deeper, your benches are better. You can
handle it, for sure, you know, right.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
Sure, But that was one of the things that it
was like anytime Oregan would lose a game and'd be like,
well that twenty four minutes of possession is finally catching
up with them. Yeah, and there was some truth to that,
but it was all sure.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
Defense didn't love it. No, at least the defense was
playing with leads some.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
Of those early like Chip Kelly, Mike Leach, Rich Rodriguez offenses.
You could not have enjoyed being the defensive coordinator for
those times.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
When Kelly came to the Eagles. It didn't work at all.
You can't play that game in this absolute disast, right,
fifty three man rosters and you have two injuries, and
you know.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
Right, despite their struggles on offense, the Browns actually thirty
one minutes and seven seconds average time of possession, Yeah,
which isn't blow the doors off of you, but that's
that's a slightly better than league average.

Speaker 3 (23:34):
I think a lot of their defense is really good. Yeah,
I mean they get off the off the field field,
they make play.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
Yeah, they force three and outs playing.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
And Judkins is We've been talked enough about Judkins. He's
a really good player.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
We're gonna think got him playing.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
Yeah, sure, he's easily their best offensive player too, Yes,
and really really impressive, better than I thought he was
at a high state, you know. So they are built
a little bit better to eat clock.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
If you and I would do this from time to
time as well, you could steal any one player off
the Browns and put them on the Steelers. And I'm
gonna say, you can't say Miles Garrett because that's just
a cheat code. That's it. Would it be Junkins At
this point.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
We haven't had this conversation. I think years ago you
brought this up. I'm a Siica you are.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
That's why I love you, Matt.

Speaker 3 (24:18):
I play this game in my own warped cranium all
the time, and sometimes, like when I can't sleep at night.
I'll be like, all right, I'm doing the NFC West
and lay there.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
You'd have been a really good Madden player.

Speaker 3 (24:29):
Oh dude, because I have rules in my head, and
you're not allowed to take quarterback. It's too easy, no
matter what. You can't take a quarterback, even if you're
the Chiefs and you're myhomes you know. But I only
do it for the Steelers. But sometimes I even go
get crazy and be like, what if I'm the Bengals,
I'll play the game because I already went through the
league in the last month or whatever. What Bear would
I take if I'm the Bengals, Or what Bengal would

(24:51):
I take if I'm the Bears. So you're not allowed
to take a quarterback in my rules, in my little brain.
And we can play this every week if you want,
love it and you get the player as is, meaning age, contract,
everything involved.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
Yeah, you can't just say I want to add Miles
Garrett to the team.

Speaker 3 (25:12):
Well you might have to cut someone to do it
in cap space and all these things too, you know.
And so I I love that game. I play it
in my own world.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
I'm putting this on our weekly outlet by the way
right now.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
Should we do the Browns? Heck, yeah, they're a bad
team to pick from.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
I mean there's maybe an offensive lineman or two there
that we wouldn't hate.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
I don't like their line at all.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
It's too old Judkins. We're gonna get him on his
rookie deal for the next four years.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
I'm not sure there's a team I would take a
running back though, because running backs are I can get
one in the second round. They got him in the
second round. Like often, I'm gonna take a left tackle,
or a wide receivers or a pass rusher.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
If Joe Thomas was still on the Browns. This is
the easiest conversation ever.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
Of course, if I have to take an offensive player, though,
it's probably Judkins, which is frankly a slap in the
face to the Browns, because not a slap to face
to him. It's complied to him. He's really good, but
he's also got off the field. I mean, we gotta
take the real thing, you know, like and I rarely
play that game because he's not guilty of anything. I

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don't know the young man, but there could be a
suspension looming. This is public knowledge, you know, Like rightly,
the wide receiver Bond. He turned himself in for Domester
for stuff, yes, that you can find anywhere. I mean,
he's he's been. He's not a good guy, you know,

(26:40):
and you have to put those things into account. Now,
of course you take Garrett. We can do it minus
a superstar too, you know, like it's just.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
More like the answer is Garrett.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
You trade high or whatever. You find a way to
make it work and you turn TJ. Watt or Garrett
into a first round pick or whatever. You know, Like
you just take him because he's awesome. But who's There's
not many to pick frohim on this maybe, but I
like the corners.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
At a position of strength now like last year.

Speaker 3 (27:10):
It's an easy one, right, it's an easy one.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
I mean this is would you go Mason Graham? Yah?

Speaker 3 (27:14):
I liked him better? Yes, I just don't like him
very much and I would not have picked him at
that pick. And he's been better than I thought so far.
But I don't think he fits a scheme and I
don't like him very much. I mean I really like
the off the ball linebacker Sweestionnger. I mean, like with
this team, a rookie would go a long way because
I got him cap controlled for a long time. But

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there's a new linebacker, you know, a true linebacker, you
know what I mean? For the inaugural, our version of this,
this is maybe the worst team we could picked, right
because there's a lot of Cincinnati.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
There's a couple of superstars on right, A lot of
these teams like Chase out of the equation. I'll take
t Higgins, yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
Right right, you know, but a lot of the teams
there's a fun discussion. Would you take Sauce Gardener or
Garrett Wilson or Williams or Membo?

Speaker 2 (28:06):
One right right?

Speaker 3 (28:07):
I mean, we can even go back in time. We
should have done the bye week. Maybe it is Shudkins.
I haven't done the Browns in my head for I
haven't had a hard time sleeping right.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Sleeping lately.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
You put him next to Warren for four years, you know,
the next couple of years or whatever, you're pretty happy
about it.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
During Lightning combination there I wish there was.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
The young old lineman or a receiver I loved, but
it wouldn't be Fanning. It wouldn't be Graham. I don't think,
you know, maybe it's Graham, But this is maybe my
last team to do this with. You know, I mean
other than if your Garrett's not allowed, yes, and Garrett's
on a need you know, most teams I would not
take in that rusher.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
Yes, you know correct, right, you want you also want
to marry this with our biggest weaknesses.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
Absolutely and cap issues and youth and you know you
need another expensive thirty one year or twenty nine and
a half year old guy.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
Right.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
Well, if he's awesome, yes, but if he's a world
you're right right, Yeah, he's a certain first ballot Hall
of Famer.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
Yes, certainly. Okay, getting back to this, that's fun. We'll
continue to do well. I think jug kids is my
is my answer. We'll continue to do.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
Understand it throughout the people will like this game. Because
I get real nerdy about it. I used to let
myself have the option of anyone on the roster not
name a quarterback or their first round pick next year.
In this case, I would definitely take their first round
pick next year. If you get any asset from the Browns.
I went there. I went there, first round.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
That's our quarterback, right, that's Dante Moore, men Brown's first
That ends up.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
Being too easy for some teams you just take the pick.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
Yeah, totally. A couple more things that kind of paint
that picture. By the way you are. That's why, that's
why I love you. Brown's running the third most plays
per game in the NFL, a little over sixty six
per game, Steelers fourth fewest at just under fifty four.
Let me stop quick.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
Yeah, the Steelers play slow on purpose. That's a Rogers thing.
They go deep into the play calls on the play clock.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
Likes to see what the defense is doing. Play a little,
pay a little.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
Which should help your time of possession, but doesn't help
you run a lot of plays, you know, like fantasy
people are so smart, Like you don't want fantasy dudes
from offenses don't run a lot of plays, you know,
especially running backs, some quarterbacks. But I wonder what I
one thing I should look at, and maybe I will tonight.
Do the Browns snap the ball quickly? I bet they do,

(30:32):
especially when they're losing, sure, because you play faster. Yeah,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
Absolutely. Yeah, that's a very good point by you.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
And that that is out there now, Like there's so
many sick goes out there, right.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
There's a lot of people that are making a living
doing this, certainly, and for that we are grateful Pace
Stats and we are we are grateful for you and
your kid. Matt Williams. Games with the Cleveland Browns are
averaging just thirty nine point two combine points scored. That's
second fewest in the NFL. Just five hundred and thirty
six combined yards. That's fewest in the league.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
That's what Matt and I put the average yards on there.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
Yes, it's way under six fifty six.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
I mean think about that. I mean one hundred and
twenty yards less than the average NFL game.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
That to me, possessions, plays, opportunities are at a premium
in this one for the Steelers on thousand.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
Percent, right, it probably won't be points, it probably won't
be a lot of yards. I mean warning people like
if they win this one in a low scoring game,
and right, fine and on Monday people are complaining, but
they only had two hundred and ten yards of offense.
That's how every Browns game goes. Fine, right, right, that's
playing your opponent.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
You know, we've only got so many at bats against
this team, yeah right, right right, hit some singles and
driving a couple of runs and win a low scoring game.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
Yeah, exactly. I mean that's how Browns games go.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
That's exactly it, exactly it. The Browns have blitzed on
just sixteen percent of early down dropbacks, lowest percentage in
the league league Steelers forty two and a half percent
of the time, second highest percentage in the league. Only
that sick O'Brian Flores in Minnesota or higher higher.

Speaker 3 (32:06):
I'm a little hot shocked the Steelers are that high.
And they bring a lot of six man pressers as.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
Well, especially after being very low in that department last year.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
Like this is a I don't dislike something we talked
about in the off season a lot. I think it's
because of the Corners. When you only one corner you
trusted last year, you couldn't blitz as much because there
was only Porter, and now you got three you trust her.
Four Browns just don't need it. Yeah, And I know
that people are critical of the Steelers of not being

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being an execution based offense, that they don't do a
lot of different stuff. The Browns don't either. They play
a lot of single high they bring four you know.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
Static as well last ones for you, Matt, some bigger
picture stuff just to kind of set the table, set
the scene. Uh, let's go to Mike Tomlin. First. Good
two very good indicators for the Steelers in this games
that relates to Mike Tomlin's tenure. The first, Garrett Garrett
Get Garrett Gabriel Dyl that's a kid I went to

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high school with. Viln Gabriel became the ninth rookie quarterback
to face Mike well Will will become the ninth rookie
quarterback to face Mike Tomlin and one of their first
two career starts. The other eight have only won against
Tomlin two times. Good good indicator there of Mike Tomlin
against early rookie quarterbacks. He's had a ton of success

(33:25):
against those guys in his career.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
To be fair, I bet that's not just a Tomlin's dad.
I mean how many rookie quarterbacks.

Speaker 4 (33:33):
I bet you you know, I mean even the best,
most successful coaches. Right. That's a great point too. That's
why we top the win first start, the.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
Ben Roethlisbergers and the Jade and Daniels of the world
that hit the ground running and win a ton of
games when their rookie so rare.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (33:50):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
Last one for Tomlin.

Speaker 3 (33:52):
I know we're going this one. This is an accident.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
This is his nineteenth season, is the Pittsburgh Steelers head coach,
fourteen and four in his previous eight teen years, coming
off of a bye week. Fantastic, phenomenal, fantastic.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
And most times your opponent isn't coming from overseas on
a road game.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
With our rookie quarterback making his set.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
Exactly exactly, there's a lot of stuff.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
Yeah, a lot to like in that regard. Finally, just
to kind of paint the picture of how stinking good
t J. Watt and Miles Garrett are, they are pretty
outstand Yeah. This to me is like Crosby and Ovechkin
getting drafted into the same division and you know, are
so much better than everybody else. Reminds me Mal they
were in the same division, exactly, right, great example by you. TJ.

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Watt and Miles Garrett first and second, respectively in sacks
in the league since they entered it in twenty seventeen.
One hundred and eleven for TJ, one oh six and
a half for Miles. No other player has more than
eighty five during that time.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
Staneil Hunter too, I mean, he's a really good player too,
But this one's even close.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
That's just ridiculous, the same not even in the same breath, like,
not even in the same vein. That to me paints
the picture of just how good those two are. They
both at times can kind of downplay the personal rivalry.
I do think Miles has leaned into it a little
bit more than TJ has. But that's also what happens
when and when you're on the losing side of those things.

(35:16):
I think you want to puff your chest out a
little bit more when it when it does go your way.
But man, very fortunate to uh to watch those two
now for for darn near a decade, awesome chase the
league in that department, and again they.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
Might go the whole fame together.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
That'd be something, right they retired at the same time
and went into the Hall of Fame together. But those
two pretty stinking good at their craft. We all knew that,
But especially when you consider, I mean, there's no one
else even within twenty sacks of those two in that time.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
Blowybody away.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
That's insane.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
And obviously guys like Parsons came along later. They're not gonna,
you know, if you just did the Parsons stretch. Maybe
it's closed, but.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
You know that's a good point. But yeah, there's again
not not many guys. He might be one of the
very few that you can even kind of put in
that same stratusy one in the time that they have
been in the National Football League. One more segment to
go when we return. On the other side, we'll turn
it over to you on Twitter. We got a few
tweets rolling in here already that I've saved. If you
want to lob a last minute hail Mary at us

(36:18):
at Williamson NFL at wesle Yuler is where you can
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other side, it is the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio
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Speaker 1 (36:39):
About Drive on your twenty four to seven home of
the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
Final segment here of the Drive on a Thursday, Matt,
what do you say we go to the tweets to
close us down. Annie tweets us she was at the
the Fitzsimon's Temple Bar with us in Dublin. Yes to
nice to have Andy rock a rocking and rolling here.
Still a couple of quick hitters from her Number one

(37:23):
is Patrick Queen having a sneaky good season?

Speaker 3 (37:26):
Yeah he is, And I think and better It's a
good way to put it.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:29):
Yeah, I mean I think people were a little disappointed
in him last year. Didn't wasn't Jack Lambert in its
first season? You know what I mean? I think he's
getting better and better, real baby steps, you know.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
He's showing up every weeps and bounds.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
Yeah, yeah, I agree.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
Number two. Are trap games a real thing in the NFL?
Or is it just that the other team has good
players and coaches too? I don't know.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
I've thought that a lot. I think you'd have to
really ask a player.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
It's it's not Michigan losing to Appalachian State.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
Right, you know, right, like lab said, I mean, anyone
will lose anybody. I mean, I believe.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
That I've never really bought into that trap game thing. Yeah.
In college football, I do.

Speaker 3 (38:07):
Oh, in college I do. There's eighteen nineteen year olds.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
If you easily take people lightly, if your pit and
you're playing Central Michigan and your WU and you're playing
Robert Morris, and then the next week's the backyard brawl,
sure totally. Oh yeah, but these guys are so professional,
they're so locked in.

Speaker 3 (38:23):
And I bet even like the Georgia's and Ohio States
will tell you yeah, but we end up winning anyways,
you know what I mean, Like, Okay, the first quarter
was bad, but then.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
We might not cover the forty four point.

Speaker 3 (38:34):
Spread, right, but we took them lightly, but it doesn't matter.
I mean, like, I think basketball is absolutely that way,
like Duquine hangs with a a pit or what. I
don't know enough about basketball, but somebody knows well better
for a half or even three quarters, and then eventually
it's like I can't keep us up for sixty minutes,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Yes, exactly right. Last one from Annie, this is right
up your rally, She says, I need your thoughts on
my idea of a Oddfather epic, a mashup of Godfather
one and two with bonus footage of Michael Offing the
guy who killed his first wife.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
I think it exists.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
Is that the like.

Speaker 4 (39:12):
The the there's like you and I bonus you were
just talking about.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
Code is different.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
Code is that's like.

Speaker 3 (39:19):
A recut of the third right, there is a version
where you watch it from de Niro, you know, like
chronologically and there's.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
Like, that's what she's talking about this.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
I thought she made it sound like she came up
for the idea. Maybe that's just I just read No,
it's awesome, I mean, and there is like five bonus
things in there.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
How long is it?

Speaker 3 (39:40):
Yeah? I mean it's one and two combined plus a
little bit. Isn't there one and two though?

Speaker 2 (39:45):
Or is it?

Speaker 3 (39:45):
Ok it's been a while since I watched it that way.
It's great. And there's some scenes where veto as de Niro,
you know early Yeah, yeah, goes back to Cis and
whacks of people that killed his father. Yeah, people like that,
like so that there's.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
Some I need to I need to get on that.

Speaker 3 (40:07):
Yeah. She must not think she came up with this idea.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
No, I just read it. Okay, I think I just
read it wrong.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
It's the best way to watch the original ways flawless.
But I mean, sure, it's it's a cool way to
watch it, Okay. Instead of bouncing back to.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
I was actually saying this to my wife just a
few days ago. And I know you love the Godfather.
So I've only ever watched the three Godfather movies one time,
and it was my freshman year of college.

Speaker 3 (40:31):
When I was like nineteen, Okay, well the third nothing
like the first.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
Thing I need to I need to. I need to
do this off season when I have time. And one
of the things that I like to do in the
off season is go back and watch old movies and
things like that and unplug from sports a little bit.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
Oh yeah, no. I based a lot of my life
choices off of Godfather stuff that might have been like
right right, I mean, yeah, keep your friends closed for
your enemy's closer, and you know, learn to think of
those around you.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
I think, is those around you think?

Speaker 3 (40:58):
I love my son to no end, and he is
in the movies and he's watched many that I have,
but he hasn't. I mean that's a tough ask for
an eighteen year old. I mean it's long. Everyone kind
of looks the same and sounds the same. I mean
even now, I've seen him a million times, and I'll
get something out of it. Oh yeah, Oh that's what
you know. Clemenza meant by that, you know, right.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
Brad tweets who starts more games this year? Mason Rudolph
or Shadoor Sanders And I'm hoping Mason starts none.

Speaker 3 (41:28):
I hope not.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
Knock on him.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
There's only one way he starts.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
Correct, and that's not good for the Steelers, whereas I
think start a game regardless. Yeah, and then Gabriel completely
blows the doors off.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
I don't know if they plan on it right now,
the Browns, but they have to know if they have
a quarterback in their building or not.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
Yes, if Gabriel's okay, okay, January rolls around, they know,
are we taking one with one of our high pits
or do we believe in one of these guys?

Speaker 3 (41:55):
And I would think you need to give Sanders unless
Ifabriel's awesome, great, Sanders never sees a field, he's backup.
Maybe he's trade bait. And frankly, there's a lot of
teams out there that should call about Yeah, you know,
like you could do worse. But if Gabriel's just a
four or five out of ten for by rookie standards,

(42:16):
you might want to throw Sanders in there for last
month just to see. I mean, he's more talented.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
I think that that should be the case.

Speaker 3 (42:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
Uh. Steeal a Nation nine to twenty tweets and says, Matt,
don't let Wes lie to you. He has a secret
love for Baker Mayfield deep down. Do you guys think
even when Alex Highsmith is back and healthy, we should
see an increase in her big snap count?

Speaker 3 (42:38):
Yeah, we've talked about this, yeah, a couple of days. Yes, Yes,
you can't keep him off the field. Absolutely not like
totally in favor of high Smith. I'm not saying Highsmith's
a backup or anymore. He's the three, but I would
definitely incorporate a lot of snaps for herbig. I think
maybe less for what and Heighsmith?

Speaker 2 (42:53):
You know I think so too.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
Last one, Angry Bike Lane tweets and says, did Wes
really sneak in a materar could be back sooner? When
talking about the Red River rivalry yesterday.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
Did you do that on purpose?

Speaker 4 (43:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (43:07):
Absolutely? Oh okay, I didn't.

Speaker 3 (43:09):
You should say he did it on purpose?

Speaker 2 (43:10):
I listen again. My thoughts on the University of Oklahoma
are very fractured. Okay, my dad, I don't know if
I've ever told you this before.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
I say, why, what's your problem with Oklahoma?

Speaker 2 (43:20):
Because in the pre COVID years where w football was
still good, before we went on this seven year worst
stretch of football, we've played in fifty years. It was
like twenty fourteen, twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen. We
would play Oklahoma in the last game of the year
and they'd be ranked third or fourth and we'd be
ranked fourteenth, and they'd beat the Craft in the better Yeah, yeah,

(43:41):
you know. So it's not that I hate him or anything,
but it's just, yeah, you know, there's a better program
than us. They beat the Craft out of us. But
my dad used to teach violin lessons in Norman every summer.
Oklahoma would bring him out for a couple of weeks.
He'd do like master classes at their music school. Oh okay,
my mom and I would go out and stay with them.
So actually enjoy by time there in the campus and

(44:02):
all that. But I like making sooner jokes when I can.
It's pretty you know nice.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
You think I'm glad what we caught that I didn't
when we went dead alive.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
Well, hopefully we'll see my tears sooner rather than later.
Absolutely a reminder some big college football games to keep
an eye on. More of that, dude me as well
to watch. But that will do it for us today.
Thanks to everybody who hopped in on the tweets. Will
continue to try and do that on Thursdays as we
roll along. Big thanks to Bob Labriola for joining us,

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to our producer uh mister TV Tyler V for making
us look pretty on YouTube, and a big shout out
to Swiss on Swiss himself, Matt Williamson.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
I was born on sixty six. You know that. Yeah,
we've had six six love, I.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Think in our you know, I know we've told this
story a million times and we got to get the
break here. But we would drive you and I and
Dale would drive out to the Combine for the last
seven or eight years together, five hours to Indy, five
hours back, and it never. At some point you and
I would start talking about hockey and drive down craze.

Speaker 3 (45:03):
Hockey history is like the only time I talk hockey
all year.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (45:06):
And He's like, oh my god.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
I also learned Becauselemu just turned sixty last week. I
know him and Patrick Wall were born on the exact
same day. Isn't that wild? Like not different years apart,
right same day, Like maybe the best forward of all time,
maybe the best goalie of all time, same exact day.
That is pretty crazy. There's your random fun fact for
the week, But that will do it for us today.
We will be back tomorrow, five Star Friday, Full Brown's Preview,

(45:31):
all that good stuff. Thursday night or tonight between the
Eagles and the Giants. Can the Eagles get over that
first loss in ten months? Can the Giants get more
belief in Jackson Dart. That'll be a fun one to
watch that we will recap at some point tomorrow as well.
But that'll do it for us today. Take care, everybody.
We will talk to you tomorrow. As always. You know
where to find us. It's on your twenty four to

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