HR1: Draft Talk

It's only a few days away, so what did you expect? Matt and Dale chat all things draft as Thursday night looms.

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
At least, he's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt
Williamson on your twenty four to seven home of the
Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
And welcome to the Drive. I am Dale LOLLI he
is the Matt Williamson and Matt What do you wanna
talk about today?

Speaker 3 (00:25):
Pappy Easter? I had a wonderful Easter. Yeah, outside the
great show. No, not trying to buy time while the
wheels spin in my head. Yeah. Not a lot going
on about the draft. Okay, draft seems like a good call, yep.
Maybe the Steelers a little bit.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we should probably do that.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
We probably should. And now, I mean this week's crazy
because it's it's so close. I mean it's Thursday.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
This is prime lying season.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
That's what I was gonna say. I mean, like there's
not even visits this week. I mean, the teams are
putting really the finishing on the on their board, and
I'm sure there's a lot of calls being made. That's
what's going on right now, even like the free agents
maybe Aaron Rodgers aside, but I mean, like free agents
aren't getting any calls at the moment. They will right
after the draft, you know, when he gets shorter position

(01:14):
or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
But they might even get calls during the draft. Oh yeah,
if you get out that, we better make a call
right now.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
Yeah yeah, I mean some of these veterans that are
definitely gonna be playing in the league will be you know,
latching on shortly. But really, what's all that's really happening
is these guys are staring at the board all making
their case for their favorite guy or trying to pigeonhole things.
And believe it or not, they do versions of mock
drafts too, you.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
Know, yeah, just based on Okay, who do we think
is going to be available? And that's one of the
things that really stood out to me when we looked
at the Steelers' visits over the last couple of years
with with with Omar Khan. They seem have a pretty
good idea of how the board stacks up, right, well,
who's going to be available available to them at their

(02:00):
fifth round all or even in the first round. They said, Yeah,
the cluster of guys that they've looked at were brought
in are guys who they're not bringing in top ten guys?

Speaker 3 (02:11):
No, right right there? Why would that guy come in
from me? A chance?

Speaker 2 (02:14):
Of the guys that they brought in have been people
who've been drafted right around their pick, which is interesting.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
It is you know, like this happened a lot at
pitt Spent when I was in the recruiting world, because
we would do our best to compete with Michigan, Ohio State,
Penn State in particular.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
And do so well.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
Didn't do so well, right, I mean, come in second
a lot. Yeah, And that's a lot of wasted time
and a lot of heartbreak. You know, a kid gets
dates down to the wire and you're like, oh, we
didn't get them.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
I've spent you know, forty hours on the phone with
this Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
He's been the games. You know, we've been hanging out.
I know his family, blah blah blah. Coming in seconds
the worst to be almost like it was a great experience.
You got to meet the family and all that, but
better if we just didn't talk to him at all.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
In that way, it's kind of like, you know, if
you've ever played Madden College Football, I haven't madged whatever
it's called back in college football that yeah, yeah, And
you get so many hours that you can spend on
a player, and you you know you have to pick
and choose who you write. And so you know, if
you expend a lot of energy on this five star
recruit and you've no chance at on your resources, you

(03:17):
don't get him, right, Like, yeah, I mean we sent
Lebron an offer, but we didn't spend hundreds of hours
trying to covince Lebron James to come to pit to
ple a receiver.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
Yeah, but it was pretty fruitless effort. I mean, he
was gonna be the first pick in the NBA Draft
in a couple of months, you know, but coming in
seconds the worst. To your point, though, why do a
ton of homework on the top twelve guys? I mean, yes,
you want them for your files. They may they're gonna
become free agents. You're gonna play against him. You do
your due diligence. But even the biggest the scouting staffs

(03:47):
only have so many hours and so much manpower. You know,
you got to use it properly. And that comes from
the GM, you know, GM to the college director. You know,
how are we going to use our hours? You know?
And even these scout outs going into the season, A
big thing they do leading up to the regular season
is they prepared their schedule for the week. I'm gonna
go to Idaho here and then I'm gonna go to Montana.

(04:09):
And you run it by your your director, and sometimes
they'll tell you that's not a very efficient use of time,
or frankly, you're not home enough. Go home a little bit,
you know, at least see your face and see your
family for once, you know. So that kind of stuff's important,
you know, the efficiency of where you spend your time.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
Yeah, and you know, I think when you look at
the Steelers' pre draft visits this year, and we talked
about this one thing that I did notice, Well, yes,
they they brought in several first round prospects.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
There was two odd ones and there were two odd ones.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
But those guys that might be available, let's say everything
wrong happened ahead of them, Well, these guys might be there.
I mean, there's certainly player, Yeah, Golden, Golden to a
certain degree. Yeah, we're going to take another wide receiver
when when you spent your second.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
It's a pretty clear round one player. I guess Golden
is a little odd. But and Mauri and.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
Stuart, Yeah, but it might be a situation where okay,
all the quarterbacks are gone, all the defensive linemen are gone, Like,
these are guys that might still be there when we
when we consider taking them, and.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
I'm sure there's a lot they like about them. Sure,
the athleticism's crazy for both those players are the two
freakiest guys out there, Golden as side. You need a safety,
do you need a big edge? No, But someone in
the building that's evaluating them probably still has a high
grade on them or reasonably you know, a lot of
interest in them, And would it be terrible to tell
the league you really like those guys. So someone trade

(05:41):
that really wants them goes ahead to you to take
them in the top twenty, and then you're like, oh,
one more player fell to us. We really want, you know.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
But the interesting thing to me about it is that
there were a lot of visitors that I expect that
are going to go after round one.

Speaker 3 (05:59):
And before and before their pick at eighty three, Right, Alexsumably,
I mean, we don't know one hundred percent, but we
are pretty clue. Yeah, I mean we've been talking and
studying this for a long time and even the most
out in Draftnick doesn't know one hundred percent. Hello, draft's
going to go. But you got a pretty good idea
that the big D tackle Alexander from Toledo is going

(06:21):
to be on the board at twenty one. I only
used to be on the board at eighty three, right,
you know. And they seem to have a lot of
interest in him. He was their last visit. He fits
their type to a t. And there's a lot of
those examples, im. A couple of the receivers have mentioned
a couple of D linemen really fall in that no
man's land where you have picks.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Yeah, and like even the cornerbacks Trey Amos and Aerie
A Thomas like.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
Are using twenty one on Amos, you probably have to
if you're gonna get him with the car peck, right,
that's where.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
You're gonna have to take him, because he's not gonna
be there at eighty three.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
No, and Thomas, I think has no chance to be
the twenty first pick, right, you know.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
So I just it just makes me wonder if they're
going to make a move to try to get back
into that second round. I think they would like to ideally,
but how do you do that? What's the best way
to accomplish that?

Speaker 3 (07:09):
Yeah, it might be a series of moves, you know,
it's hard. Like when we do our mocks, we usually
make one right back move, but sometimes you know, if
you can move back two or three spots still get
the guy you like, packing something else up.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
And to move.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
Yeah, a future pick or you know, a player we're
not thinking of, or I don't know, you know, but
I do think they're not just going to sit in
their hands and pick twenty one eighty three. Okay, it's
our turn. You know they're gonna at least make efforts
to move around.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
What I don't think is going to happen is I
don't see the stealers trading a player.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
I really don't.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
They're not trading George Pickens. They're not trading TJ.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
Watt. No, no, make a certainly not no, see a malu.
There's no starter in place. I mean, you're not going
to get proper value.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
What you're doing when you do that is opening up
a whole. Now, now, if you do something like that,
you want to do it from you have an excess
right right not open another hole in your roster. Yeah,
for a draft pick that you don't know if it's
going to hit or not.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
I mean, there's no way water make a move I mean,
the only thing I could see is I can't. Boy,
we have such a high grade on Golden, we can't
believe he's there. We're going to take him and try
to move George for a Day two pick. I mean
it would have to be because we drafted this player.
We can now move a vet and.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
You've still you've still created the hole. You've drafted before
the hole. But you didn't fill the needs that you
had going into the draft, right.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
Right right, that's the You didn't change his move shy
and stuff around, young gir a little cheaper whatever, different style,
blah blah blah. Is that enough for a first round pick?

Speaker 2 (08:47):
Probably not, But you have legitimate needs going into this
draft that you have to fill. They need probably two
defensive linemen. They need they need a guy who they
can presumably play it nose tackles, a long term replacement
for Cam Hayward. Even if you want to move, as
we've talked about a lot, you know you want to

(09:09):
take you know, you got rid of og and Joby.
You know, if you want to move somebody to outside
or to defensive end, presumably you know, yeah, presumably Kean
hu Benton. Yeah, you want to play him at defensive end. Well,
then you then you definitely need a nose.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
He definitely knows, and some of these guys can do both.
But there's just not enough highly capable bodies in the
d line room for my liking right at the moment,
especially when you factor in Hayward's eight.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
And I you know, we saw Cam's snaps go from
he had always played eighty percent in previous years down
to seventy percent last year, and he was very effective
playing seventy percent of the snaps.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
I'd love to see two thirds seventy you know right.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
Now, that's what you The problem then becomes when he
wasn't on the field, they gave up a yard and
a half more per carry. Yeah, I mean that's when
he was on the When he wasn't on the field,
I you know, I saw it numerous times last year
where the opposing offense made sure he couldn't get back
onto the field.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
Let's hurry, let's go, hurry up.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
We're just going to run the football here and hurry
up because Hayward's not out there.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
Probably even more than what just because the fall off
from star to replacement was star.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
Now, there was also some of that where Okay, now
we got Hayward and Watt off the field.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
But now, yeah, yeah, now we really want to go fast,
right but hey, would it be so terrible to try
to defend the run with Benton and Grant in your nickel? No,
I'll take my chances there, you know, right right, you
know it's it's fixable. It is fixable in this draft
the way this draft lies right right, end up with
Grant and ty Robinson or something like that. Okay, you
know right.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
Now I got something. I get Harmon and Calbwell.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
Yeah, exactly exactly. There's a lot of combinations that would
really help his team. Yeah, so for short and long term, Yeah,
that makes a lot of sense. You need a running back, yeah, yeah,
to add to the equation. And again, the draft sets
up well for that. You know the things you'd like,
you'd like to get another obviously another quarterback here, but
without that second round pick right now, when you start

(11:06):
matching up those needs with where you can get those guys. Yeah,
and I think you agree too, but I still would
much ratter look at the draft through that lens. Then
we don't have DK Metcalf and we do have the
second round pick, right, you know, well, again, I don't
find it at DK Metcalf in the second round of this.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
Draft, no doubt. And and that's why I've said all
along DK Metcalf was the biggest off season acquisition for
an offensive skill player. And I'm including the quarterbacks in
the NFL this offseason that somebody who changed ybody who
changed team.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
Right right right there weren't big name receivers flying around.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
No.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
Aj Brown didn't.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
Get traded, and Nai Harris was the biggest running back
that moved. You know, DK Metcalf's more impactful than oh.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
Yeah, yeah, and it's harder to find.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
Yeah, and draft you know, for Seattle moving from from
Gino to Donald.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
Right, big for the Raiders to add Gina right, you know, but.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
See is as big of a player or as impactful
of player as Metcalf. Not in my opinion.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
Yeah, because he's a quarterback. I see the argument. But
in terms of pecking order verse their peers at their position,
I'm with you, right, And Metcalf's pretty rare.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
Yeah, because the top receivers in this in this free
agency period period didn't change teams, right. The offensive linemen
that changed teams weren't earth movers. You know or weren't.
And frankly, I'm not that big of a deal.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
If the Metcalf trade never happens, I don't want to
be sitting here with you for the last month ago
and boy oh McMillan falls.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
Yeah, can we get James Higgins.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
Maybe that'll fix the problem. Maybe it won't, I don't know.
Or who we just take Abuca and take the bird
in the hand and pass on Walter Nolan, Right, I
don't want to do that.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
It just it just sets up well to do it
this way. The question I've been asked.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
Can they do another maneuver? You know, get more?

Speaker 2 (12:56):
The question I've been asked is, well, would you trade
pickings on days if one of these receivers is sitting there, you.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
Know, Jack Beck or or like definitely a tier above that.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
I'm not trading out George Pickens for a eman or
because the team that's trading him, or the team that
wants to trade for Pickens is telling me that they
don't feel those players where they would just take those
players player because they're going to be cheaper for you
got them for a longer term, like you would just
take those players.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
I mean, none of those guys are as talent as pickings,
you know. Now there is a little difference with is
he a pain in the butt? You got to pay him?
I mean, those things matter. So maybe I could be
convinced if someone's going to offer you the pick that
Abukah is still there. Okay, maybe if I you know, maybe,
But am I trading pickings for Alexander that's a non receiver? No,

(13:50):
probably not, you know, right? And then I got another
hole and then the third round, I'm reaching out that
I like and don't love.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
You know, And just I think I think that's why
they're there. I don't think they're gonna trade.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
I don't either, I really don't.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
I don't think they're definitely not trading on.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
I think they've been down the road. Will be one
dangerous receiver and then a bunch of guys trying to
be there and it's not a world they were living again.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
Yeah, if you do that, now you're back in the
same situation you were last year where we're talking about Okay,
that's that's all well and good. You got DK metcalf.
What happens if he gets hurt?

Speaker 3 (14:23):
Right, It's bad, it's bad, bad, right, And Austin and
Wilson are good players, you hope, I mean, but they're not.
Oh man, we got to stay in cover too.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
Or chance you're better off than you were last year
at that time when you're you know, you're playing Van
Jefferson and you'd.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
Hope so, but you don't know yet. You don't know yet.
I mean, you hope Wilson's a regular contributor. Austin probably
is what he is, which is good. I'm a fan.
I'm with you again. I think the plan is, let's
have two problem childs on the outside that are hard
to deal with. The defenses look at and go, that's
a problem. And there's all the tough time putting extra

(15:00):
guys in the walk.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
What I think people overlook and hey, George Pickens is
not a dumb guy, right right, right. He's headstrong, but
he's not a dumb guy. He understands he's playing for
a contract.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
Well they all do.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
Hey, George, you're playing for a contract this year. You know.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
Let's pouting on the sideline might not help or given
minimal effort in any regard, I mean, isn't going to
help your earning power right with the Steelers.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
Or whether it's with the Steelers or whether it's with whoever,
you know, So, you know, I think he's going to
be a different guy. And I also think having a
guy like DK Metcalf in the locker room with him.
I haven't seen where they put their lockers yet.

Speaker 3 (15:40):
Yeah, yeah, but I.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Might put DK Metcalf right next to you hang out
quite a bit, and you're going to have this guy
better or worse. You're going to have a different quarterback too, right,
I mean that's a fact, you know. Yeah, So you know,
I don't think you open one hole to then fill
it with the same position in the draft. I don't
think that makes a lot of sense because again, the team,
if you were trading that pick, you would just draft

(16:03):
and you wanted a wide receiver, you would just take
a human, or you would just take me.

Speaker 3 (16:08):
Yeah, I mean, you in the third round and Savinia
is there and you can't believe it. Why trade Isaac
for that? Though? I mean the same thing, you know
what I mean? Right? Why create a whole just may
draft them just to get younger, right, I mean, you
might draft him, but that doesn't mean you're gonna fliplu
for a sixth right.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
I mean like that, that's a move that you make
when you're playing Maddy something like that, because there's no
there's no person involved, there's no history with that person involved,
there's no experience.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
I could crazy young, I could take it.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
I could take that young player and just plug it
in on Madden.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
Look, I got more cap space his experience, eight years younger.
Blah blah blah. Right, but I'm not giving up. You're
not gonna ge a ton formlu right now. Anyway. You know,
I'm not even sure it's a foregone conclusion. He walks
after the you know, right, I want to take all
those guys to camp and maybe someone loses their left
guard and says, hey, we'll give you a four for him. Well,
then maybe I'll listen.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
Because I drift sort a guy in the got.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
My hands on this guy, and he's a Steeler and
he's been in pads and he's been on the grass,
and I know he can. I'm excited to get him
on the field. Yeah, but I do expect a future
pick to get moved. But I don't think they're going
to mortgage the future like crazy, because I do think
quarterback is going to be in the crosshairs next year, yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
And that doesn't mean they don't take one this year.
They'll take a quarterback at some point this year. There
will be a rookie quarterback on the roster coming out
of Mini camp. Yeah, and it probably a draft going
in the Mini. It's probably going to be somebody they draft.
I don't think it's going to be in the first round.

Speaker 3 (17:46):
I don't either, I really don't. I mean, it's such
rumor season, lying season. Any of the stuff you read
this morning, I think a lot of it was schefter driven.
Steelers didn't really think there was any chance the door
is going to be there twenty one. Now they have
to consider.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
I get it, you were reconsider it, but I don't.
I still don't know that he gets there.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
I don't know that he gets there and it's already
been considered. He didn't change in the last month, is
I mean, your grade is the same on him either,
like them.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
The thing that did change is like, for example, they
didn't bring cam Warden for a visit, right right, but
they did bring Shador Laid in the process because maybe
they looked at and said, Okay, he's.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
Not gonna be a brown and giant to.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
They're not taking they're not going to take him in
the top ten. Those two teams aren't taking him in
the top five. So now if he starts to slide
and he's available to us, now.

Speaker 3 (18:31):
What right we got to know if this was last year,
they wouldn't have brought in may Or Daniels right, let
alone Caleb. It's like, we know he's not getting to
our striking right.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
It goes back to what we talked about at the Open,
where they okay, they they've pretty they've assessed pretty well
the guys who might be available with that first round pick,
and they brought a bunch of them in, you know.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
And they've also not brought a couple that are exciting.
It doesn't mean they don't have any interest in Nolan,
you know, or Grant or Grant right right, and then
probably come with a handful of other names.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
Yeah, anyways, let's get to a break. He is the
Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly. You're listening to the
Drive here on the Steelers Audio Network. Matt and I
will be back with more right after this.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson
on your twenty four to seven home of the Black
and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
And welcome back. I am Dale Lolly. He is the
Matt Williamson and it is lying season, oh big time.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
But in some instance sneak out of buildings, sneak out.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
And it's interesting you mentioned that. You know, we talked
about how the Steelers have an idea. They have a
pro personal department like every other team, and those pro
personnel departments at this time of year become very important
because they know what everybody else's team needs.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
Are yes, I mean it's the pro guys don't do
a lot of draft stuff, you know, like they might
cross tight ends or something. They get involved here and there,
but they were really busy. Their time was free agency
and all during the year. I mean, every week something
happens to the teams you're responsible for. There's an injury,
there's a roster move, and then there's coaching changes. But

(20:23):
their biggest job, besides having reports on every player at
this time of year is think as the Seahawks think,
you know, like, do you think they would you know,
I'm just pulled the seahawkside of the blue. They need
an interior alignment. Do you think they'd want Booker is able, Well,
they just change their schemes. Able makes a heck of

(20:43):
a lot more sense. So okay, we don't mind if
that guy falls. Booker probably will fall, you know, if
the Steelers are in the market for a guard, you
know whatever. And I don't know if teams do this,
but I absolutely think they should. Is truly have a
mock draft. Like when I was with the Browns, I
was in charge of the NFC West, I always thought
we should have a mock draft where I made the
picks for the Rams, Niners, Seahawks as if I were them,

(21:06):
trying to be in their head. What would I do
if I were them, and what do I predict them
to do. I don't know if they do that or not.
I think they should.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
Well again, though, if you're the pro guy and you
really don't know the college players, right is in depth
as the college scouts you can sell. All you do
is stuff up here are the needs, needs, And it's
not like they tackle.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
They're like they need a detackle for third and eight
when they're in a blitz of situation. You know, like
they go further into the needs.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
And the thing about it is pro scouting departments are
actually like spies in a way. Yeah, because when you're
out of the game every week, depending on where, it
doesn't really matter where you go. Every stadium that you
go to, you'll see a list of the media people
or whoever's going to be in the press box that day,

(21:54):
and you can look over the list and at the
end of the list, usually up in a third row,
there's five six scouts from your future opponents up up.

Speaker 3 (22:03):
You know. Yeah, why is there a bear scout here
for Steelers Ravens? Well, two weeks and four weeks they
play the Ravens, there's advanced scouting. I mean some of
those pro guys are two weeks ahead. Yeah, so the
day as soon as your game ends, they can brief.
They don't get to write a game plan for you,
but they brief the coaching staff of this is what

(22:24):
they're looking to do. They got a gunner hurt yesterday.
I don't know who their gunner is going to be,
but it's gonna be a replacement guy. You know, a
rookie corner looks like he might be inching into the lineup.
Maybe you want to attack them, you know, boy, this
blitz gave them a ton of problems. You know that
type of that type of stuff, advanced scouting.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
The punter holds the ball for two point seven seconds, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:42):
Right, or everything it's a little it's a problem, you know.
And back in the day this sounds so crazy, but
there would be the league put it out. But it
was an Adobe file that sometimes was like two three
hundred words per day, and it was like every article
all conglomerated into one. And I remember our director of
pro scouting and he'd be on the road. He'd ask

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one of the admins, Hey, can you print that out
for me. He'd leave with like this much paper, you know,
just killed one hundred trees, leaf through them and find
notes here and there, highlight them, you know, like old
school stuff like oh, that could be on my phone,
and I don't need to. I'm not going to go
through every word just to find those things. But every
day I read Cardinals, Niners, the Yawks, stuff like you

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might have written, you know, and just say maybe I
can get something out of there. Yeah, And then does
that translate the tape or is this writer of no
clue we're talking about this guy's talking. Yeah, I've been
dealing with a hamstring the last couple of weeks, I'm
stop playing through it. Well, that wouldn't necessarily show up
on game day or maybe even on the injury report, right,
you know, but like left leg is kind of dragon
if you look at it through that light. So I

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mean it's invested in to your PI.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
Yeah right, you know, are investigating in the team. I
can remember the year before the Jaguars came into Lee.
I've mentioned this before. Tom Kaughlin was at at least
six Steeler games that year. He'd been hired a year
ahead of time to be the head coach of the
Jaguars before they were even in existence.

Speaker 3 (24:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
Yeah, and he went to a bunch of Steeler games.
I'm sure he went to a bunch of he's on
the Jags Pals games. Yeah, yeah, he's working the Titans
at that time were still in the division. They were
the Oilers in But I'm sure he was. You know,
he's there, he's putting a noteput together.

Speaker 3 (24:24):
Yeah, absolutely. And could you find all this stuff out
on tape? Probably, you know, I mean, as being in
the press box with you guys that much more of
an advantage to watching on tape on Monday. Maybe not
get a.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
Couple of things that the spy aspect of this is
that you can watch the sideline.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
Oh that's there's nothing wrong with that. You're allowed to
do that during the game, Yeah, signals or who might
be hurt, or who's getting chewed out, or who's on
the bench with sulking in the corner or that type
of thing.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
Thing of that nature.

Speaker 3 (24:54):
Yeah, I mean a big thing we did. I only
think I traveled with the Browns once or twice, I know,
reason going road games. I came to Pittsburgh because it
was a drive and I got to stay at home
to night, you know whatever. But like a big thing
i'd do in home games is they said, just walk
around the other team and body type them. You know, like, boy,
he's it was eight years since his combine. He looks

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twenty pounds heavier than when he looked at his combine.
You know in our files he's three ten. That dude's
not three to ten. You know, like that type of thing,
this body type him and write your notes, put him
in our system just to add you know, like all right,
you know, walk around and kind of see who's intermingling
with who. I remember we played the Ravens and there
was like, I forget exactly who it was, but Jonathan
Ogden was inactive, and there was like him and four

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future Hall of famers just kind of in their own
little It was like the cool circle. It was like
him and I think Woodson was on the team, Louis
Reid and Joe Blow Punter wasn't no way was walking
in that group. You know, they were just kind of
chilling by themselves. I'm like, I'm gonna at least walk
past them and see what they're up to. You know.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
I bring this up because s I today SI dot
Com put together a list of They went out and
talked to scouts from other teams pro personnel departments to
list the needs of each team.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
Oh okay, which is exactly where you want to get
it real quick. I'm gonna make one more note too,
Like when you're mocking it up or you're drafting, man,
I hope that guy gets to me. But the Ravens
are in front of us, and they need the same position.
The Ravens are a bad example because the division you
know so well that everybody in the building is right,
that's a Raven or it's not. We have to get
ahead of them. But like they might call you in

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and be like, do you think Seattle will take this
nose or this three technique? You know? Do you think
we have to move up three or four spots to
get our guy? Nah, that's not their style, you.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
Know, which brings me to well, I wanted to talk
about this. So we're gonna go look at the Steelers'
needs we know, and you can put them in whatever
do you want, quarterback, running back, defensive tackle, cornerback, quarterback
would be way down, would be further down the list
of me. It would be a nice It might be.

Speaker 3 (27:08):
My fourth Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm it gives I haven't
looked at this article, but it does give it some
credence that they put the tackle amongst the list. But
one the teams are the writers out there or the
the experts that never mentioned the tackle as a need.
They don't know this team very well.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
I see seven round mock drafts that have them taking
no defensive tackles. I'm like, you're out of your mind.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
Man made the sixth round. They took a flyer on
this guy from Saginaw State. Blah blah blah. Ain't they
ain't gonna cut it.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
So if you start looking then at the teams after them.
For the Chargers defensive tackle, wide receiver, tight end, running back, edge.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
It's not hard to find needs for them.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
Yeah. For the Packers cornerback, offensive tackle, edge, defensive tackle.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
Okay, like a lot of people even put receiver there,
which is a bit of a I mean there were
you could win with those receivers.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
Yeah, they've got a bunch of receivers, Like maybe they
don't have a number one, which is.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
What the Wasston's banged up. And you know, right, I
know for the Vikings guard if there's one guard spot
that's still kind of shaky.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Yeah, defensive tackle, safety, cornerback.

Speaker 3 (28:17):
And the d tackles they signed are older.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
And yeah, so in safety and corner like set both secondaries.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
It's wrong.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
Yeah, huge For the Texans offensive tackle, guard, wide receiver,
they got three definitive needs.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
And they because of the Tunsile trade, they can address
them all. Yeah. They're kind of the opposite situation of
Steelers of how does this work best? Is it best
to go tackle and then wait for the receiver or
you know, probably gonna wait on an interior guy. But
they created needs by trading Tunsle, and you know, they
decide to revamp their entire rod line room, which is

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hard to do.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
For the Rams, it's cornerback, inside linebacker, quarterback.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
I agree with that. I don't know if they'll do
anything about inside linebacker. They ignored that position, and no
end doesn't mean it's not a need.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
For the Ravens, it's edge, safety and guard.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
I'm glad they guard a lot of people, don't We
talked about this all the time, like, how could you
be happy with that pair of guards? The offense was
great with them, right, That doesn't mean it's the great
idea for the Lions. It is.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
We're picking at twenty eight edge, defensive tackle and guard.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
Losing Zeitler. They were kind of going to piece that
spot together. I don't know that they'll be happy with it.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
For Washington at twenty nine, it's edge, offensive line, safety,
wide receiver.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
Okay, you could probably wait a year on receiver, but
I wouldn't wait too long. Yeah, they did draft McCaffrey
last year.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
For the Bills, it's cornerback, edge defensive tackle.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
Okay, I'd throw safety in there. I'm not sure edge
is at the top of the list. We do it
or so.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
For Kansas, City. It is offensive tackle, guard, cornerback.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
Yeah, but if I kind of feel like one O
lineman would do the trick. But I don't know how
married they are to Taylor. I mean, I know that
they signed more.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
I can't imagine they're very married to Taylor.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
Right, right, shouldn't be. They're in a predicament with their tackles.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
For the Eagles, it is edge, wide receiver and offensive line.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
Okay, I mean wide receiver. I have heard some things
it's gonna be hard to keep Smith and Brown long term.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
I don't know what they think of Dots And I
assume his fifth years coming up soon and they won't.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
Pick it up. I think this year is it this year?

Speaker 3 (30:31):
And there's no way they'll pick it up now, you know.
And Godard could be on the move, maybe just another
pass catcher in general.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
So if we look at these needs in the order
that they're placed here, if you are the Kansas City
Chiefs picking at thirty one, yeah, are you going to
get an offensive lineman at tackle or guard at thirty one?

Speaker 3 (30:52):
Well? I kind of had a feeling you were going
to go down this road. A lot of teams said edge,
even these playoff teams. If there's a run, which I
think there could be in one to twenty, could could
five edge guys go off the board, and then all
of a sudden, It's like, man, we thought Pierce was
a surefire guy to be for the Lions. Do we

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have to move up to get them?

Speaker 2 (31:15):
That's another one.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
And I think tackle to your point is always thin. Yeah,
I mean if Connerly or.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
Simmons, I think Simmons is the wild card in this
whole thing because if he were clean right now, I
think he's a top ten pick.

Speaker 3 (31:33):
Oh, I do too. There's been some character stuff thrown
out there, not like he's a bad guy, but he's
does he love football? Does he love football? He's a
little young. It's it's so typical for some of these
big guys that are so talented. That's come a little
easier for them, you know, Yeah, because they're six six,
three thirty, whether they're a de tackle or tackle that

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just can throw people around without technique.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
But if I'm the Chiefs, I'll give you a lot
for Simmons, And I've got two picks in the sixties.
Can I get up using those picks with the Steelers
for example?

Speaker 3 (32:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (32:10):
Right, because I want to get ahead of Houston. I
want to get ahead of Baltimore because these needs. That's
certainly something I would I would be keeping an eye on.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
Yeah, I think a Rondo.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
Bills for example, mentioned cornerback and edge being two of
their biggest needs and the top two needs according to
what yeah yeah, football people are saying, let's say Will
Johnson is still there at twenty one, right, do I
want to go up and get Will Johnson? Yes, I'd
seriously think about it.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
Yes, I mean, do you really want to trust I mean,
Revel or Benjamin if you're them, I'm needing the wing
win now. They may even be better prospects than Johnson
if clean. I don't think they are, but they're close.
But I can't wait. I'm here to win it. I'm
not the Giants or the you know, a team like that.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
Yeah, we're again the edge run you just talked about.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
It, right, I mean I think it would be who
the Steelers And this is neat but for two reasons.
As many tackles and edges that can go off the board,
the better, because then it's going to create a shortage
for the next ones. Plus the positions you want aren't
getting touched as much.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
The commanders are in the same boat. Edge and offensive line. Yeah,
listed is our top two needs. Well there's yeah, I
hear it.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
When we'll go.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
Get it now, edges, a little edge is a deeper
position throughout this draft.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
But no tackle, sure, defensive tackle is not right. And
I was kind of kind of say the same thing.
But I was listening to mcshay's latest podcast, and this
one was all about stuff he's been hearing, you know,
and he'll be the first to tell you. I'm sure
there's some lies and blah blah blah, but he's pretty
dialed in. He's been doing this twenty five years. I
think we got hired together. And he basically said, so

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many teams have told me Joe Toney, I'm like, well,
I'm thinking he's like, well, none of you know what
that means. But he's like, what a great guard, maybe
a Hall of Fame guard, but you watch super I
want Michael Williams, not Thony playing tackle with arms an

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inch too short and wingspan two inches too short, just
trying to get by, just trying to get by. I
want to be the hammer, not the nail here. I
want to be the eagle side of that thing. So
give me Walker, Williams, Pierce, whoever, and I'll figure it
out on O line, you know. I mean there's not
many prototypical tackles. I don't want Thony, I want sweat.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
Yeah. But if I'm a team and I want one
of those tackles, I want Simmons or I see, you know,
he's gone and all of a sudden I'm looking at
you know, is Connorly going to get past the Texans?
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
Connorley's rarely off the board and mocks by twenty one.
I don't know if I agree with that. Yeah, I
mean he could get a little stronger, but there's a
lot of ability there. Like Houston really comes to mind.
It's like, well, you moved on from Tunsel, but you
sign Cam Robinson, who's an NFL tackle, But he's not
the answer, right, But I can wait a while with
connor and I don't maybe to.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
Play Connolly at guard for a year while he gets.

Speaker 3 (35:03):
Yeah, yeah, yeah whatever. I mean the Bravens is that
with Jonathan Ogden his rookie year played guard at six nine,
or the Chiefs do have the right tackle that they
probably don't love, but he's going to be the right
tackles here.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
He signed the left tack He signed too much money,
but he's a journeyman.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
I'd love to have Connerley there.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
Yeah, you know in the and they still need or next.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
Right.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
So I'm saying, one of these teams that really has
an offensive line need I could see them wanting to
get up to twenty one to get ahead of the Packers. Yeah,
take an offensive line Houston, who could take an.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
Off Houston would scare the heck out of me. Right, yeah, No,
I'm with you. Do you think the the only team
that you meant to post Steelers? I mean they're all
playoff teams. Do you think the Rams would go get
Dark or Shadore. I don't think that's how they're right.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
I think they're going to trade up to that because
they don't have a second round.

Speaker 3 (35:55):
Pick and they just get I think a lot of money.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
If it just worked out that way, they would be
fine doing it.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
Might consider it like they might take him over the
Kentucky corner if they're both sitting there when the Rams
are truly on the clock. But you can trade a
bunch of future stuff for a guy that's sitting around
and if I'm Stafford, I don't love that. You know,
we just talked about trying to win this thing, you know,
coming back. He just gave me money and you don't
have a second round pick and the first position you're
gonna help me with is the third round. That doesn't

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really do it for me.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
No me either.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
So they had a good run. I mean they almost
beat the super Bowl champs in the playoffs, right.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
But yeah, that was from Albert Breer's needs, team needs
that He talked to a bunch of yeah yeah, pro
personnel guys about and you know, I just it got
my mind thinking.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
There, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I humberson agree. Someone on Twitter
took the time to they only tagged me and I
mentioned you after that, like all the he laid out
here's seven or eight teams that could trade up with
the Steelers for this position and even put the compensation
in there. Some of the compensation was a little light.
I looked at it, but they took their time to

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do it. It was pretty cool and they actually thought, you know,
even mentioned like Brown Giants for a quarterback, you know,
like in the second round Chiefs or a tackle you know,
on and on and when you see it on paper
and there's seven or eight possibilities, they're like, there's a
pretty good chance one of these could come to fruition.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
Yeah, yeah, no doubt. Yeah, absolutely. Anyways, let's get to
another break. He is the Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lollie.
You're listening to the Drive. You're on the Steelers Audio Network, Matt,
and I'll be back with more right after.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
This at least is the Drive with Dale Lolly and
Matt Williamson on your twenty four to seven Home of
the Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
And we are back. I'm Dale Lolli. He is the
Matt Williamson. And Matt I think one of the biggest
questions surrounding the Steelers heading into this draft is the
sher Door Sanders question.

Speaker 3 (37:59):
Yeah, and there's really is two sides. I know where
we both land in the end, but I understand both
sides wholeheartedly.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
Would you take him if he's still available? And I
have to tell people every time what depends on who
else is still there? And Okay, if all the defensive
linemen are swept off the board, then yes, I would
take him. If they're not, then the answer is.

Speaker 3 (38:25):
No, and we're getting down to the wire. I only
know if we'll get around to it. But if we
were to redo our twenty one, or you do it
twenty one, I do it later in a week, he's
probably in it. Yeah, And frankly, I think Milrow would
be in it for me. I don't think Dart would
be just because I'm not taking an edge. I'm not
taking a tackle, you know. Like, but the twenty one's

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a great exercise. But you're never gonna get to twenty
one never. I mean he might be. If you never
get to nineteen, you're never going to get to eighteen,
you know. I mean, Will Campbell's gonna go, Membo's gonna go,
you know, Mason Graham is going to go. I mean
the guys that might not even be in in our radar,
Walker is definitely gonna go. There's no chances in my
twenty one, right, you know what I mean maybe the

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tight ends, you know. So for him to be the
top player on my board, it seems really unlikely.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
There's probably going to be at least ten guys that
are gone. Yeah, yeah, maybe not ten.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
But yeah, yeah, but I could see why he'd be
the top player on their board. If they think he's
a franchise quarterback. That trump's all. But I have reservations.
But they've studied them more than me. There's no way
I could pass on Grant, Harmon or Nolan for him though.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
Yeah, I just right.

Speaker 3 (39:42):
You know, I also real quick if they do trade
down and get more Draft Day two capital, I'd be
much more likely to take a Tier two or three
quarterback as opposed to Accord in the fifth or something
like that. You know, that's a different it's a difference.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
That's a different conversation kind of what I told somebody
when they asked me that on on our YouTube channel,
like what what would you or would you be in
on doing taking a quarterback in the first round. I
need to know if I've gotten back into the second round.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
Yeah, again, that changes the dynamic. I guess a better
way to starting my defensive.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
Line, starting to draft defensive lineman even in a deep
draft in the third round, when I also need to
draft a running back. Now, now you're light there. Now
I'm starting to get light, and I need these guys
to come in and be able to contribute on a
regular basis right away.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
And I'm sure you could find some big, old, heavy
set nose tackle to get you through the year. You
know it's a veteran. That's a professional. Fine, but that's
not really what I wanted to address.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
A long term answer.

Speaker 3 (40:51):
When there's ten noses in this draft, I love yeah,
you know what I mean. I'm much rather have Caldwell
or you know, somebody like that that I can have
for a long time. Cheap yeah, cheap let alone. You're
definitely out on Nolan, Harmon Alexander. I mean, all the
difference making end types. I mean, there's no chance. So
we talk about this a lot, or at least I
throw it out there, like if Robin Williams comes out

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of the Genie comes out and says, I'll give you
Shador Sanders for twenty one today on the twenty first
of April, I'm saying no. But after twenty picks on
Thursday night, I might.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
Say, I say, yeah, that's kind of my I don't
know how the first round is going to go right
because quite frankly, again, after you get through those first
three or four picks, it's a bass. There's not a
lot of difference between pick number five or six or seven.
In pick number forty.

Speaker 3 (41:48):
Right right right there just isn't There isn't.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
I've been let alone fifty or sixty, which might also
be the case.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
Terrible year to pick four or five, six, you know.
I mean, if you want to get.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
Marvin Harrison junior, nighbors or alt, I mean, you're not
getting that guy. And it doesn't mean these guys won't
be good players.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
They're just not as good a prospect.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
They're just not Wow, that guy's gonna be a future
pro bowler. They're going to be starters, They're gonna be
guys who you know, maybe some of them will develop
into pro bultype place.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
We don't have a crystal ball. I mean, Robert Williams
isn't telling us, you know, exactly how it's going to go.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
You know, they're not telling anybody.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
Yeah right, but no, I would not trade twenty one
for Sanders or Millrow for that matter, you know, and
that one knows. I love Millrow. Not right now. I'd
rather even if the wrong twenty fella off the board,
I still would want to use every fifteen, every second
of my fifteen minutes to see if I get a call. Yeah,
you know, I'd rather let it play out I'm not

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taking door number one on them.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
And those are the those are the conversations that are
happening right now. Absolutely this week, this is you know
you well, such and such team as talking about moving back.
Every team in the league is making calls, Hey, you're
willing to move back, you want to move up? What's
what's uh? You know, what are you looking to do
in this draft?

Speaker 3 (42:59):
I referenced Shay's podcast. I listened to it this morning,
and again he's been doing a long time. He said,
I've never seen such late quarterback stuff. Now I'll explain
that in a minute that I have this year. And
he said the Browns, Giants, Saints and he said not
Steelers even said that. He said, Steelers have seemed pretty

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set in what they think of. These guys are flying
all over the country. They're shipping in everyone they possibly can.
The entire organizations go into Boulder or miss Mississippi or whatever.
That they are doing more and more work than he
can ever imagine with these couple quarterbacks like from mill

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Roe or better Millroe shuck, yeah, Dart.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
I was listening to serious this morning, Serious NFL, and
I can't.

Speaker 3 (43:48):
Which means they're not taking them two or three, right,
you know, but how much do I like them?

Speaker 2 (43:52):
But I'm listening and they had the former Patriots cornerback on.
I can't remember who.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
Not Tyler or No, No, it's I mean they've they've
had a lot of quarnerbacks. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
Anyways, he's on the show and he's talking about how
the Giants if I'm the If I'm the Giants ownership,
I don't trust. I don't trust this head coach and
GM to draft my next quarterback. And I'm like, well,
if that's the case, you should fire should have fired that,
Like they may only have a year left. Well, if
that's the case, then you should have fired them. Then
if you don't trust.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
This, blame ownership. Yeah, there's only one person blame if
that's the truth. Right right now, that makes no sense
to me at all. So you know, to me, maybe
they will screw it up. Maybe, but a lot of
teams do.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
If that's the case, that you should have fired them, absolutely,
especially at GM.

Speaker 3 (44:33):
Right, you don't trust it might help you. I don't
trust him to do this draft. And what are you
doing in the building right?

Speaker 2 (44:39):
That just drove me create. I'm like, what are you
talking about?

Speaker 3 (44:42):
Right? I mean, I'm not saying the ownership should trust them,
but they must or they would have fired would have
fired them, Right, you're not going to give them another
year and say, well, we're going to give you one
more year and then we're going to fire you at
the end of the year. But through this, after you
screw up the quarterback, then first after you screw up
another draft, that'd be great. Yeah, it makes no sense,
That makes no sense at all. No, that's not the
way they see it. No, it doesn't mean it's gonna
work out, right, Yeah, but that's not the way they

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see it.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
Yeah, it's just gonna be such a fascinating draft. I
can't remember a draft that I've covered it's been quite
like this one me either where it's just been so again,
there's great depth. There's like three hundred plus players that
have draftable grades on.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
Yeah. Again, that was a big thing Tod was saying,
said He's saying, I just think teams are just gonna
take the edge rusher and then we'll figure out the
other stuff later because I don't want to be I'm
gonna be pretty safe with a position of need. That's
a talented player that's not a super blue chip dude.
He's even talking about the Patriots like they might just
take Walker if they love him. You know, I don't

(45:40):
love Walker, but it's better than it's your right tackles
he left tackles her guard, you know, taking Tech McMillan
in the top ten, being like see only Michael Pittman,
you know, like that's fine, but it's not what I'm
looking for.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
You're gonna get starters. You're gonna get starters into the
fourth and fifth rounds in this draft. But are they
difference makers? And that's the question the team's are going
to have to ask themselves. And it really stands out
at the quarterback position.

Speaker 3 (46:05):
Absolutely. I mean, I think it's safe to say, Okay,
there's only three blue chip dudes at two and three.
We're getting one of them. But how far are we
willing to go to get Shador Dart whoever? Are we
willing to give up next year's first and an early second?

Speaker 2 (46:22):
And they's foolish.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
I hope someone is right, you know, right, I mean
to get all the way to eight or nine, to
be in front of the Saints.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
Or straight up in front of the Steelers to get
rise quarterbacks.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
I have had it right, or hey, you can have
twenty one for that price, you know, right. I don't know.
I guess everyone's getting different pressure from ownership too.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
Yeah, absolutely absolutely, But let's get to another break. That's
going to do it for our number one of the
Drive here on the Steelers Audio Network. Matt Now will
be back with our number two of the drive right
after this