May 7, 2025 • 52 mins
Dale and Matt have an exciting discourse on the Steelers trading George Pickens to the Cowboys, before bringing in Bob Labriola for his insight on the trade.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson
on your twenty four to seven home of the Black
and Gold cast in Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
And Welcome day on the Drive, m Dale LOLLI, he
is the Matt Williamson and Well news this morning, the
Steelers have traded wide receiver George Pickens to the Dallas Cowboys.
The Steelers get a third round pick in next year's
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draft in addition to a fifth round pick in twenty
twenty seven. The Cowboys also get a sixth round pick
in twenty twenty seven from the Steelers.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Yep, I love the late pick swap. It's become such
an omar con thing. And it's exactly how I would
handle NFL trades as well. That's not the story here,
but it makes me chuckle. Did the same thing with
the Aunte, did the same thing with Pickett, you know,
I mean, all the time we're closed just well, we
swapped picks in a year or so. You know, no
reason to do it next year because youve got a bunch.
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But you'll be happy by it around right, you know,
but big news. It was shocking to wake up to.
Of course, guy kind of thought once the draft had
come and gone. It's probably unlikely, but I can't say
I'm blown away. Anyways, they weren't going to pay him.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
They weren't going to pay him. I don't know if
I don't know what George's reaction to that would have been.
Not knowing that he's not going to get paid. People
had suggested maybe he would do a hold in in
training camp. I didn't think he would go that route
because he still wants to get paid in the league.
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But the bottom line is is that he had become
I mean, how many times had Mike Tomlin been asked
after a game or during the week about something that
George had done a lot in the game or you
know that kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
And now there's a lot more that he wasn't asked about.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
That being said, Pickens is a talented player. Extremely I
would have been very interested to see what the offense
looked like with DK Metcalf on one side and George
Pickens on you other. I'm not going to talk out
of both sides of my mind. I think that would
have been a very intriguing prospect. I don't again, as
I said before, I don't think you would have seen
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a safety within fifteen yards of the line of scrimmage
with those two guys out there. But that doesn't mean
that you can't get that kind of production, slash play
or fear, at the very least out of somebody else
over there.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Yeah, I cut to the chase. I think there's another
shoe to draw.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Yes, something else is going.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
To happen, I would imagine, And I don't think it's
a Van Jefferson level. Now bring entire signscronic or you know.
I think it'll be something better than signing Robert Woods. Yeah,
and we can talk through a million options, which will
be fun.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Robert Woods just covers your butt, right your butt.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Sign It's ok with or without Pickings. It's a fine
move whatever. But it's not a game changer. It's not
a feature player. It's not somebody that more or less
less never leaves the field like Pickens and Metcalf would have,
which no question would have been alluring. I mean, I'm
sure you've seen many fans saying, well, now the receiver
room looks just like last year. Kind of yeah, I
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mean I kind of, but not really better. But it's
kinda yeah, I mean I see where you're saying, look
at it. This way, I don't think or not.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
We just did our segment earlier this week on how
we feel about the wide different every position on the
roster based on where we were at last year at
this time and this year at this time. I feel
better about Calvin Austin right now than I did a
year ago at this time. He is an actual NFL
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wide receiver.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
I mean he's taking a step forward.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Yeah, yeah, I feel I like Woods better than I
like what I got what they got from Jefferson.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
They're probably the same tier. But I hear what you're saying, ironic.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
It wasn't on the team I have. Yeah, I think
he is a valuable piece to this whole equation. We
don't know much about Roman Wilson, but I'll say this.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Now.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
DK metcalf has had some incidents in his career of
explosiveness in terms of penalties, and he's got a lot
of flags, but not to the level of Pickens. I
think it's totally different.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Like I keep hearing, DK Metcalf's a diva, He's a
selfish guy, I don't think so. I think he gets
routed up on the field, yeah, and can get instigated
and people know it and he needs to control that
because he will get he has gotten flags.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
He's gotten flag for it.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
But I don't think he's the distraction on Tuesday Wednesday
on the sidelines in the locker room that Pickens was,
or in terms of popularity in the locker room. I
think DK is going to win that contest. We'll believe
it at that. Yeah, right, you know, I mean I
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don't know the Pickings had to go, but he was going.
And whether it's a year from now or now, you know,
I mean, that's that's gonna happen, I think, and it's
gonna be good for him.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
To your point about why it happened now and not
before or during the draft, I think other teams knew that.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
I think Dallas wanted the big dude out of Arizona.
I think they wanted Tet McMillan. Well, I think that.
I think right before the draft. Yeah, Jerry Jones comes out.
So we got a couple of trades in the works.
I'm sure they were talking with the Steelers that immediately
picked by Answers. I'm like, Okay, they need a receiver,
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they need a receiver. The Steelers could be potentially in
the market for you know to move a receiver here.
But I don't think that the Cowboys at that time
were willing to offer a third round draft pick. I
think it was Justina Anderson said they were offering more
or less a fourth you.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Know which, all right, I'm not I'm not interested in
moving him for a right.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Like I liked Eric and your minor or you know,
the Stanford kid. Yeah, but that's not an even swap.
I would rather have the assets for later to maybe
go get a veteran names that we'll talk about, you know.
And if I'm the Cowboys man, I think I got
a shot at Timac here. That's who I really want.
Obviously they didn't want Golden. We could probably call Marii
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Cooper if we have to, but I'd rather roll with
Pickins highly motivated opening room for Lamb. It makes a
lot of sense to me for Dallas. If Dallas after
the year wants nothing to do with them, they'll probably
get a comp pick for him at some point. They're
not a team that ever goes out shopping outside the organization,
so it's a minimal investment for them, which could pay
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off huge. Maybe they love them and extend them. Who's
to say. But for them, it makes a ton of sense.
For the Steelers, if you were not insistent, but strongly
under the motivation that after the met Half trade that
he's not going to be here long or he's on
his way out, that's as good a time to do
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it as any because you've got a lot of time
between now an opening day. Contrary to popular belief, oh not,
what are they gonna do?
Speaker 2 (07:11):
They got a lot of time to figure that out,
and they have they have a lot more draft capital
with which too much work capital.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Too right, They're not going to make all those picks
next year.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
They are not. And you know, again, this goes back
to the whole plan part of this process. You know,
if you had traded I'm just calling up this year's draft,
if you had traded him for a.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Four, yeah, Cowboys fourth or whatever.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
The Cowboys four would have been. I'm just looking to
see who was available here. Did they even own there
for doesn't look like they did. Yeah, okay, so Carolina
used that pick. I don't know when they traded them.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Yeah, they ended up with it. But okay, fair enough.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
On Trevor atm It was one hundred and fourteenth pick
in the draft. George Pickens for the one hundred and
fourteenth pick in the draft.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
In this draft, uh huh, yeah, I get it done.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
And now I'm looking here to see a wide receiver.
Rich draft receivers. Now, the Steelers took Jack Sawyer at
one twenty three, Like.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
I immediately thought, maybe Sawyer wouldn't have been the pick there. Yeah,
who knows, I mean, there would have been a butterfly effect.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Jalen Royals went to the Chiefs at one thirty three.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
That was a little shocked.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
He felt that would be kind of intriguing, even though
when at one thirty six, Yeah, I knew they were
the two guys I thought too, that fell more than
your thought. But those guys aren't one for one replacements
for George Pickens.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Not even close, not even closed. And that would it
would be a you still would be looking.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
You would still be looking at for a veteran player.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Would you would be broken hearted if one of those
two ors in Pittsburgh right now? At be like both
of those players, so they'd be like a Roman Wilson. Yeah,
I don't know, we'll see.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
I mean, it's and maybe just maybe the Steelers looked
at what happened with Roman Wilson last year and said, Okay,
we really liked it this player a year ago. At
this time, it's pretty easy excited about guys on draft day.
But the problem with rookies is you have no track
record with them. No, no, I mean, right, they get
here and then you don't know. You don't know what
the guy's practice habits are. You don't know does he
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play through injuries. Yeah, in the case of Royals, he's
coming off of a major injury.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Ability to learn, right, just all that stuff press man coverage,
She didn't We didn't see a lot of it, but
we think he can do it. Well, maybe he can't
or can't yet or whatever. You know, I need a guy.
So again, if they're done, if this is the wide
receiver room on opening day, I'll probably be critical, you know,
And but I really think there's another shoe to drop.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
And so you start looking at again. So now going
into next year's draft, they got their first, Yeah, they
got a second, three thirds, three thirds, right, three thirds,
two four's, two fives, two six and a seventh.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
And a seventh. You're not gonna make all that They're
not going to make all those picks. And everyone obviously
we've talked this to no end. Two. Next draft very
well could be the quarterback draft for the Steelers. You know,
move up, go get Josh Allen Mahomes hopefully, but fifth
and six and fourth don't get you real far in
the first round.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
No, get you a veteran player.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Oh, they can get your veteran player. I mean between now,
in the trade deadline, you can get a lot for
a fourth round pick, you know, if you're especially with
the cap space of Steelers.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
At yeah, especially, and people might say what you're saying,
you wouldn't take you wouldn't have taken a fourth for
George Pickens. There's a difference here.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
There's a big difference.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
He's a player who's still in his rookie contract, right,
as opposed to paying some salary for a guy. Right,
the higher the salary, the lower the pick. I'm going
to give up.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
That happens all the time.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
And the same with you know, the the a little
older player. I'm not going to give up. You served
round draft picks.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
A lot of name brand dudes going for six and
sevens this time of year or in camp because of money.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Yeah, you know, teams just want to Okay, we're he's
not in our plans or teams come out of the draft.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
They said a couple there's a couple of teams that
drafted two receivers.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Hello Chicago Bears, Hello Houston Texans Packers Packers.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Yeah that all of a sudden, Boy, he's a big
cap hit. We'd like the future pick and go from there.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
You.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
I mean, there's a lot of these guys that are
interesting that way. Now. I don't know if any of
these names that will bring up are truly available or not,
but I will say two things. Players are more available
across the league than people think. You know, not that
you everyone has a price that sell my mom. By
the right thing you can get guys. Wide receivers in particular,
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aren't that hard to acquire. Now, everyone listens like what
about last offseason with Ayu? Steelers had some troubles, But here's.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
The receivers did move last year.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
I know the Steelers didn't land any and there were
so many and all that, but they move like crazy
that position.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
The guys that they were talking about trying to get,
they were trying to get a true number like they
wanted that really almost a number one.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Right now, you could have been one if they were.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Traded for Ayuk. Ayuk is your number one and George
Pickens is your two.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Oh yeah yeah, because the Metcalf deal, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
They weren't really interested in, you know, going long term
George at that point.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Right, right, right, I mean I think the writing was
on the wall and they wanted to and it didn't happen.
But that doesn't mean it's but they were ready to
make the deal, right. They were willing to make the
deal right, right. And receivers aren't the most It's not
like trading for a left tackle. Yeah, I mean you
can get receivers, and I've got a list of ones
would be real easy to get. A couple that are
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free agents, some that are bigger names that I don't
know would be available or not.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
But they're options. Well, let's start with the free agent guys. Okay,
so right now, you've got Amari Cooper's out there, Gabe
Davis was just cut today. Yeah, You've got Allen Keenan
Allen is still author. Beyond that, I don't know that
there's a lot that I'm super interested.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Those are the three for me, and let's break them
down a little bit because to me, Gabe Davis is
not the answer, but he's free, wouldn't cost you a thing.
He has some similarities play style to Pickens, and that
he's fast, he's downfield.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
He's going He would fit not as not necessarily as
you're all the time number two.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Right.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
But if I put him out there with DK Metcalf,
you're back to the situation again where the safety is
aren't going to be anywhere near the line of scrimmage, right.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
I mean he's a vertical outside the numbers, and the
fact that he's free in maybe league minimum contract is
appealing to me. I've never been a big Gabe Davis fan.
You can there's plenty of receipts. As they say when
the Jag signed them, like that's terrible signing, you know,
but for.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
What they wanted him to do, they want him to
be writing like the number two right, right, he's a
four or four. He's a rotational with Austin at times
he's bigger.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
He can get downfield.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Keenan Allen is slow and now he's slower than he's
he didn't get any faster in his thirties. No, but
on third and eight he'll get you nine on third
and five, he'll get you six. And he is an
old man game that I think still translates.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Some mostly slot though. I would be more in the market, yeah,
I mean I'd be more in the market for a
bigger X type guy, and that's Amari Cooper.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
So I did a lot of Amari Cooper homework this morning,
and a lot of it I stole from Matt Harmon
our wide receiver dude, and he laid it out really well.
And frankly, Matt said, I don't know if he's he
might be spent. I don't know, but he said he
had the weirdest year last year, per his charting. When
he was a Brown, he was open all the time
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and the quarterbacks couldn't give him pall. Yeah, when he
was a Bill, he was never opened and the quarterback
could give them ball.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Now, I thought at the time that he's jumping on
a moving train. That tells me he's jumping on a
moving train. Doesn't he's not sure of the offense right
and what he's supposed to be doing out, So you
don't go from being a guy that is getting open
to then changing teams and you can't get open right.
Playing a lot of the same teams, right, you're thinking
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too much out there.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
The other thing is he got injured before he ever
like the day they traded for him. He went like
two or three weeks before he even got on the field,
because I don't think he got injured as a Brown.
I think he got injured in practice, like day two
in a Bill's uniform. So if you give him the
benefit of the down and be like, he doesn't know
the offense, he's trying to get on a moving train.
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They're a playoff team that the train's going a million
miles an hour, and he might be injured or he's
playing through an injury. But he's also not signed for
a reason. He's on the market now. But he was
linked to the Cowboys up until this morning, right right,
And I don't know if he burned that bridge or
how that went with them last time.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
But he may not don't even wanted to go there.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
You may not want to go back. Yeah, I don't know.
He's been a Cowboy, so he would be free too.
He doesn't cost you a draft pick. He's a weird career,
but he's not young. But those are the three free agents.
A name I have to throw out there which sounds
better than it is. I think he's still a Jet,
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but as Alan Lazard.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
He's still a Jet. He just took a pay cut
to stay with the Jets.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
I knew there was stuff.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
I mean, everyone knows he could probably get him for
a second or seventh.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Yeah, I mean he's Aaron Rodgers buddy. He's will be
but he's not a terrible player. But I think he's
more of the Gabe Davis of He's not the answer either,
you know, like I'd take Lazard over Woods right now,
but I wouldn't say your player.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
He's proven with Aaron rod He's caught a lot of touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
He's had a better career than you think. And he's
not just Rogers buddy, you know. I mean, he's a
good football player, but he's not George Pickens.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
You know.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
It's not like, oh the room's great now again for
a seventh. I mean, those are the guys that I
basically were calling free agent.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
If you start looking at guys who could be available,
now you're looking.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
This list is more interesting that there have a cost
you if one of these picks we're.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Talking about immediately after the draft, and we even kind
of talked about this earlier in the week. I think
DJ Moore could be available.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Yeah, I do too. I mean their first pick was
the tight end. They already have Cole Comet. That implies
they're going to play a lot of two tight end sets.
They drafted Roma dune Day in the first round, in
Luther Burden in the second round this year, and Ben Johnson,
the head coach of the Bears, came out and said, basically,
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if you read between the lines, there were a lot
of routes. He didn't like DJ Moore's effort last year.
Now he's probably right. I haven't watched every bit of them,
but he doesn't have that long term reputation. He's not
a dog.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
It was a if you trade, everyone got fired, and
so it was the thing with Moore. If you trade
for DJ Moore, he's a sense working on a bunch
of one year deals.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
I would say, I don't know his contract, but they
did just give him money recently, so it's.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
His base salary This year is twenty point sixty five.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Yeah, they might want that off the books.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Next year it's twenty three point four eighty five. Okay,
the following year it's twenty three point four eighty five.
The following year after that, twenty three point four eighty five.
You're not paying any signing boniness.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
And so they did that. They've done that, and twenty
three might sound like a lot, but it doesn't. Three
years now, four years, five years fromow and again they.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Are If you were signing a free agent wide receiver,
that would be the going rate for a receiver. Yeah,
actually probably less than the going rate for a receiver
of DJ Moore's talents.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Yes, with a lot of guaranteed money in the deal
with it, you don't have to be involved in now.
I don't know if the Bears would move them or not.
I mean, trust me, half a Twitter is telling me.
I put it on Twitter as soon as I saw him,
like DJ Bore question mark. Half a Twitter is telling me, oh,
I love that for the Steears. That's the best fit
I've heard yet. Bears fans, no way, He's our number one.
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We love them. Their moves.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Don't imply drafted one in the first round last year, right,
you drafted more this year? You got you drafted a
first round tight end?
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Right? I mean, if I'm the Bears, how about that
pick you just got send me for Dj Moore all right,
and of course Omar will be like, well, we'll do
a pick swap.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
And essentially you be trading George Pickens for DJ Moore.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
That'd be great fine for the Steelers. Yeah, and you're
twenty million a year, twenty four million a year or whatever.
And then if I'm the Bears, I might be like, hey,
Keenan Allen, you gonna be our slot again. Teaches young pups,
you know, like they wouldn't have to be done either.
I'm just trying to think the teams that might move
a player. That one, to me, is probably the best
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player you could get.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
You mentioned Michael Pittman when we were chatting about this
earlier and.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Mixed feelings about that one because he had a back stuff.
No one used to have a back injury. Yeah, but
he's pretty expensive.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
It's not that expensive, really, eighteen million this year, Okay,
twenty two million next year, and then he's a free agent.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Coming off kind of a down year. But he's not bold.
I kind of like it. I mean, I don't like
back hearing that, but I think Downs is probably their
leading receiver. They also drafted a tight end as well.
They might need capital for a quarterback. They've got a
lot of pass catchers, I mean a Donnie Mitchell and Pierce.
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He would be a good fit here. I mean, he blocks,
he's tough, He's like a better of Juju to me,
with more outside capability.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Now, another one that you mentioned, Tyreek Hill. The problem
with Tyreek Hill A he's thirty one right now. His
base salary is just ten million dollars. But for Miami
to move him, it would cost it. It's a fifty
six point nine million dollar capit. They get a lot
of dead money there.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Yeah, and he has some allegations out there, and that
wouldn't help the drama in your building any anymore. And
I think he's declining. I mean, but his injuries were
like a broken arm or something last year. It was
something upper body. But you can still scoot and you
would never see anybody in the box with him in Metcape.
But that's a ball little move. Yeah, I mean, I'm and.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
See the Dolphins doing that, just because I don't know
if they can take on that that kind of dead cap.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
I don't think they're in the point where.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
It would cost it would actually cost them twenty seven
million dollars.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Ye.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know if that's worth it
for them, because I think their seats getting hot too.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
And they need to win Jacoby Myers. I think everybody
who's regular listeners to the show know are our appreciation
of Jacoby.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
He's a real solid number two.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
His cap hit this year is ten point five million.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Okah.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
They would actually save by releasing him about six million
in cap space.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Which I think they have a lot. But I don't
know if he's in their long term plans.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
He's gonna be He's twenty nine.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Beash is a little bit like him already.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Yeah, they just drafted.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
If they get through. Let's let's say they get into
their their camp here and they say, you know what,
this bet kid's pretty good. Hm, we can roll with this.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Bowers is there one? Yeah, the offense is gonna go
to run the ball anyway. Yeah, it's gonna go through
gent you know. I just think he wouldn't be that
hard to pry away.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Yeah, then I would certainly be interested in that.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
I don't see Brandon Ayu getting No.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
I don't either. I threw him out there, but I don't.
I think he's the least likely to move.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Here's so his cap hit this year for the forty
nine ers, he's just nine point nine million dollars next year.
Sign him next year is fifteen point three. His base
salaries make him very attractive, but he's not going to
be back until the middle of the season.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
I know, I know.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
So you're not gonna you're not going to make a
trade for him.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
It's pretty rare for someone to sign the week before,
you know, the summer before, right, and then get dealt.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
But could you get Christian kirk now off of I
think that'd be an easy one. They gave up a
I think a seven, a seven for him.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Because remember the Jags were going to cut him and then, yeah,
they would never trade him in division. Otherwise they go
one offer, We'll give you a seven for him instead
of cutting them.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
I think you could go go to Houston and say, hey,
we'll give you a six. We'll give you a six
or they're feeling good about that even if it's you know,
they just drafted the two Iowa State kids. They drafted
both Iowa State. Because his base salary this year is
only one point twenty five to five million, it doesn't
even affect your salary cap, but.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
It doesn't hurt at all. I mean, he's more slot,
but he can handle the outside. He's better than what
you got. He's clearly your two.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
They were gonna trade for him last year. It's the deadline.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
I would say, there's already been interest. I mean to me,
that'd be a pretty easy one. If it's a fifth,
you gonna turn your seventh into a fifth? All right,
we'll do it.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
We'll give you all, give you a five, you give
us a six.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
How about a pick swap?
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Yeah, you're getting into the fifth roll.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Yeah you know, yeah, I think that one could easily happen.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
And it clears out your room a little bit. Yeah yeah,
yeah know, it opens up some spots for these young
guys that you just drafted. Yeah, did you really plan
on you in your uniform before? Why not move them?
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Right? You had him for a little bit, you upgraded
your your pick. I'm sure their plan was not we're
gonna drink that, we're gonna draft both Iowa State kids.
It was we like them both, and he's still there.
Let's get the other one too. You know Packers also
drafted too. Watson's basically outpa these he's done.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Yeah, you're gonna.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Don't even think about him, but I think Romeo Dobbs,
who I don't I think you can get do. I
think you could get Dobbs. That would be the name.
And I think Rogers played with him for a year. Yeah,
you know, so good or bad, but I think they're
the factors in. He's fine. I don't love him, but
I think he's a I'd rather Myers, but I think
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he's good. I mean, I think he's.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
A right if you're looking at it, Dobbs versus Lizard.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Yeah, I'll probably take the younger guys. Yeah, i'd rather Myers.
I'd rather have a couple of these bigger names. But
it's not bad, and he's young.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
And he's been productive in that offense, you know, so
I wouldn't have a problem with that.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
I don't think I had any other names. I think
that's about.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
It, And there'll be some guys as we get into
the again, once teams get these rookies into their ota
sessions and start Okay, this kid's learning pretty fast. Yeah, yeah,
I think we can maybe move on from this veteran
guy or anything. Those are going to happen. Those are
going to happen. So I think there's some options you
know that probably more so than what there were last year.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Probably, and definitely you know, it's a long night way
down the road, but trade deadline there'll be a lot
more because there'll be teams that think they're in it
that aren't. You know, if that's something you want to
do and you can get something better than Mike Williams edition, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Yeah, I don't know. Anyways, let's get to a break.
We'll continue discussing this later in the show, but when
we come back.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Yeah, yeah, we got the.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Dina Doom, the Lord of Living in his Fears. Bob
Labriela joins us right after this.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
This is The Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson
on your twenty four to seven home of the Black
and Gold SNR Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Welcome back to the Drive. I'm Dale Lolly. He is
the Matt Williamson and you'll recognize from the music. We
are now joined by the Dean of Doom, the Lord
of Living in his Fears, Bob Labriola. How you doing, Labs.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
Well, I was going to be in a good mood
and then you know, the organ music started and so
I guess now I'll go back to the other persona Bob.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
The Steelers making a little bit of news this morning
by dealing a certain wide receiver away to the Dallas Boys.
Of all teams, George Pickens, now a member of the
Dallas Cowboys, catch you by surprise something you expected.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
I think it's something in between. It didn't catch me
by surprise, but it's not something I expected. I thought
that if it was gonna happen, it would have happened
during the draft. Maybe, but who knows. Maybe Jerry Jones
didn't want to meet the price until he saw what
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he got in the draft, which you know, teams do
that sometimes, and you know, in terms of the actual event,
you know, maybe that there are some things that we
don't know, you know, like what George pickens mindset was,
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what his plans were for, you know, training camp, all
of that kind of stuff. And so I think that,
you know, it was time he didn't seem to be growing.
Maturing maybe is the better word. And you know, you
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don't want I don't think you want to wait until
the trading deadline, you know, because I would think then
that the the return would be even less because this
is a guy who would be is going into the
final year of his rookie contract in twenty twenty five.
And if you're a team that gets him trading deadline
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is what November late October. Yeah, okay, you know you
would be renting him for you know, less than half
a season, half a regular season, So I mean, I
don't know what you could get for him then, really,
So I don't think that this is the end. I
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think Omar Kahn maybe has some other things up his sleeve,
or you know, he's working on some other things. I
don't think that the Steelers go to training camp with
the cores of wide receivers that they currently have on
the roster. I think that there would be something else
happening at that position. Again, that's again, that's what I think.
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I don't know anything. It just would seem to me that, Yeah,
and I don't know that they have enough numbers for
camp anyway at that position. I mean, those guys do
a lot of running. I'm sure that some of the
ones that they have on the roster currently, you know,
Danny Smith is going to have some plans for them
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at training camp too, So you know, you don't want
to wear these guys out. They get saw fissue injuries
in there there. They can't they can't even help you
on a practice field. So that's why I'm thinking, you know,
there's going to be something else that happens between now
and the.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
End of your labs. Do you think it's safe to
say that the Steelers just weren't interested in giving him
a long term contract?
Speaker 4 (30:08):
Well, I mean, you know that that's certainly what is
indicated by this, because if they were, you know, well
our Rooney did say in January that there were no
plans to extend him this year. Yeah, so, and I
don't know how George Pickens would have reacted to that,
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or if he has already reacted to that, and we
don't know. So, you know, again, as I said, I
think that this might be the best realistic outcome for this.
I mean, it would have been great to have Pickens
team in with DK Metcalf and giving the offense a
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you know what I would call a legitimate you know,
one two punch at wide receiver, a couple of NFL
caliber athletic, big play people. But I mean, you know,
if it's not real, what's the point.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Yeah, you just didn't know. And again, after three years
of dealing with George Pickens. Quite honestly, you never knew
what to expect from not just game the game, but
even sometimes day to day in terms of and I
don't want to say that he was necessarily a you know,
he wasn't out, you know, driving at one hundred miles
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an hour on on the roads or anything like that,
or you know, getting in trouble off the field. But
there were issues, and you know, some of it maturity issues.
And they had three years for him to try to
work through some of those maturity issues, and they obviously
felt that they didn't see enough growth there.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
Yeah, and I also think, you know, to be fair,
changing offensive coordinators, revolving quarterback sure that that's certainly didn't
that's not conducive to a wide receiver developing, and especially
a mercurial guy like Pickens. You know, I think that
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just added to the fact that he didn't settle in
from a maturity standpoint. So, you know, as I said,
I just think that the reality of the moment where
we are now with both the team and the player,
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you know, I think that this was a decent return
on the guy, probably the best you are going to
get for someone because again, even now Okay, he's he's
traded to the Cowboys. He's going into the final year
of his rookie contract, right. Whatever he wanted from the
Steelers in terms of money and length and that kind
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of stuff, you know, he's gonna want from Dallas too,
I would imagine. And you know, Dallas has you know,
Michael Parsons to deal with in terms of a contract
extension this year, you know, and what we've seen historically
or recent history anyway, Jerry Jones isn't someone who you know,
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gets these things done well in advance either, So you
know who knows what's gonna happen with that, you know.
And again that's he's in Dallas. That's the NFC. Let
Vic Fangio worry about him.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Obviously depends who's available. But would you think they're still
in the market for a bigger downfield threat, you know,
I mean a field stretcher, go up and get a guy.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
I think that what you said first is you know
the reality depending on what's available. I mean, you know,
you can want whatever you want, but if you.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Go to the store and there's only green paint.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Yeah, I'm not really interested in a Roman Wilson Austin
sized guy.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
Well again, I don't even know who's available. I mean
as a Roman Wilson Austin sized guy. And I'm just
picking out a name here, Amari Cooper. What size is he?
Speaker 3 (34:20):
He's much more of a bigger on the line of
scrimmage man beater two pounder, you know.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
Okay, well, because that seems to me to be kind
of what's out there, you know, and there's the ridiculous
ones Odell Beckham and you know that kind of stuff.
I mean, I don't know whoever it is. It has
to be someone. You've got to bring someone in in
my opinion, who you know, is physically capable of practicing
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and lasting. You know, I don't I don't want any
often injured or guy's coming off serious in injuries, elderly
in terms of football years, you know that kind of stuff,
because that's just problems waiting to happen. And you know
my understanding, well, at least this is the way it
used to be. If a team picks up a player,
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passes him on the physical and signs him to a contract,
If that player then after his career is over and
doesn't play for any other team, if there's injury grievances
that falls on the last team that passed him on
the physical. So, in other words, you could be paying
for all of Odell Beckham's previous injuries if that's the
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way you decide to go if it doesn't work out.
So you know, those are things you got to think
about too in doing these things. So, as I said,
I don't know what's out there, the Steelers medical team
is going to have to be involved, you know, And
I just don't know that this is me again personally,
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I know that I want a guy in his thirties
with an injury history who's looking for maybe a one
year deal, and then I get stuck hold in the
bag after you know, when it's all over.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
After his ten year career. Well but most of which
was played somewhere else.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
Yeah, yes, so uh, those are those are things I
think that are going to be at play as the
Steelers are looking Omark con bleeding away, you know, combing
the the shelves in the store for someone to add
to the roster at that position.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Well, Bob, here's one thing we do know now after
this trade, the Steelers have their first Next year, they
have a second. They now have three third round draft
picks next year two fourths if the if the compensatory
formulas are correct, two fifths, two six and a seven.
By my math, that's twelve draft picks. I don't see
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them making twelve draft picks next year. So, you know,
I think that, you know, certainly trading for another player
would would be on the docket or be something that
they could perhaps look into, you mean now now, yeah,
or after OTAs or after.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
You know, right, yeah, who knows him?
Speaker 4 (37:21):
Maybe you know, maybe you save him for next offseason,
or maybe you save him for you know, when Roger
Goodell steps to the stage there outside of Akrasure Stadium
on April whatever the date is going to be, twenty third.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
I think that's a guess that sounds right.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
And says, you know, the twenty twenty six NFL Draft
is now open. The Browns were on.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
The He's never said that before.
Speaker 4 (37:50):
He couldn't couldn't resist, But you know, maybe that's maybe
that's the plan. Again, I don't know, Yes, Steal, you
could be right, maybe I could be right. But what
were I definitely think we agree on is draft picks. Yeah, well,
but twelve draft picks. You're just drafting guys to cut
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them if you're making twelve picks.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
Nice problem to have, though, I mean they've accumulated these
by design through the comp game and part of the plan.
Part of the plan, right, you know, they all these
nice resources to have. You could trade up in rounds,
You could trade them for picks the next year. You
could use them at the trade deadline to get whatever
I like. Where they're sitting, you know, in terms of
just future draft capital, slash a lot of cap space too,
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So they have a lot of options ahead, right.
Speaker 4 (38:43):
And it's going to be certainly fun for you know,
the purveyors of mock.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Drafts and all that stuff next year.
Speaker 4 (38:51):
If they do, if they do, you know, get through
this season with you know, the same number. But the
one thing I just want to point this out. You
guys may know this, but maybe some listeners do not.
You cannot trade those compensatory right, you don't know the
actually awarded, right. So that's a couple of weeks before
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the draft usually, and that's a you know, a general
time frame before those become official. So some of the threes,
some of the fours, we may be looking at them
now as you know, likely compensatory picks, but until they're official.
You can't throw them into any trades.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
You have to trade your own pick.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
You know, the Steelers four Dallas they've got they've got
some extra stuff here. One thing that Matt and I
have talked about a lot here, Bob, is every time
Omar Khan makes a trade, every every single one of them,
there'll be the main compensation. And you, like, you look
at the DK Metcalf trade as an example, you traded
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the two, but then you flip flop picks in the
later rounds you get you get there five for your six,
or there's you're there're six for your seven. Every single
time he does this, it's like it's just a little
give me a little something something.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
At the end of this, I feel like they almost
got a deal and he's like, well, let me give
you our seventh for your six, and that'll steal it.
And who's just say no to that? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (40:20):
Right? And he doesn't add the other way too. When
you're trying to get something from someone, you kind of
mitigate what you're giving by doing the same thing. Like
I think the Herbie trade was that the draft day trade.
It was a late switch of picks that was adding
on when you the Skiers wanted to move into that
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round and move up in that round to pick Nick Krbing.
So yeah, it's again, I think it's a nice, nice
way to approach things. And as I couldn't tell which
one of you said this, but yeah, why not?
Speaker 3 (40:57):
Yeah, right, little something next year? You know who's gonna
say at all?
Speaker 4 (41:01):
And it's not that much you know, to ask for
or to give, you know, depending upon which side of
it you're on.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
Two years from now is in this trade. But you'll
be happy you have that fifth you know.
Speaker 4 (41:16):
Yeah, right, that's another thing that makes it somewhat painless.
Right it's two years away, Yeah, yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Yeah, it's just an interesting approach to this.
Speaker 4 (41:27):
Bob.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
Rookie Mini camp opens up this weekend. This will be
the first opportunity for the Steelers coaching staff to get
a look at the draft picks and you know, some
of the undrafted guys. One thing it always kind of
flies under the raiders. They'll bring in guys for tryouts
and Terrence Garvin's one that made it coming out of
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a rookie tryout, Like I couldn't remember if there's anybody
else off the top of my head that that made
the team coming and not just made the like, was
invited back. And Darrence Scarvin stuck with the team for
three years and played six years in the NFL coming out.
Speaker 4 (42:04):
Of a jupon ward last year.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
Well, yeah, he was a veteran guy. But yeah, I mean, well,
I mean he was a rookie mini camp guy.
Speaker 4 (42:12):
You're allowed to have so many quote unquote veterans who
are unsigned on your rookie mini camp roster. But you
know who didn't make it Duck Hadges, right, right, I mean,
and that was only after Ben you know, his elbow
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blew up, but the Steelers went back to him. So yeah,
you know, rookie mini camp is interesting to me always,
you know, if for no other reason, you know, I
like to mess with Danny Smith about this, because you
have to have a punter, a place kicker, a long snapper,
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and a holder.
Speaker 3 (42:59):
And.
Speaker 4 (43:01):
Because if you don't, you can't practice. And if they're
not competent, at least not even NFL caliber, but competent,
then you can't get anything done because then you're just
using the jugs machine, you know, for kickoffs and punts,
and that doesn't really you know, you want to run.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
Some you want to simulate a practice so that your
rookies that are going to be on the roster actually
understand what a practice is going to look like.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
Offensive linemen on the.
Speaker 4 (43:28):
Field, and and uh, you know your your coaches too
want to.
Speaker 5 (43:34):
See right and so yeah, you want to put them
through a legitimate, a legitimate at least training camp practice replication.
Speaker 4 (43:45):
So yeah, it's it's you know, putting this roster together
is is not necessarily an easy thing. I think the
Steelers are fortunate a couple of reasons. Will Howard. You've
got to you know, you got one quarterback that is
capable of practicing, you know, at this time of the
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off season, and you signed Ben Sauls, the pit place kicker,
as an undrafted rookie, so you know you've got a
couple of things going for you right there. One of
the things that's interesting too is Ben Sauls is a
left handed kicker. Left footed kicker. Excuse me, So whoever
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you're you got holding, maybe you need two holders if
a guy has never done it left for a left
footed guy.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Wouffer.
Speaker 4 (44:42):
Yeah, yeah. So anyway, I'm not saying that it's going
to be and a really revealing weekend in terms of
what we may see on Chuck Nollfield in late July
up at Saint Vincent College. But you know, for those
of us who are going to be there and need to,
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you know, kill some time watching something, you know it'll
be well. I don't want to get carried away and
say it'll be interesting, but it might occupy a little
bit of the hour and a half or whatever we're
out there watching.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
It'll be the first of I don't know, one hundred
and fifty football practices that I watch over the next
eight months. Yeah, yeah, something along those lines. Our guest
has been Bob Labriola, editor of Steeler's Digesting Steelers dot com.
We appreciate labs stopping by every Wednesday, as he does.
The Dean of Doom, the Lord of Living in his
fearsal a good mood today, Bob, Well, you know I didn't.
Speaker 4 (45:41):
I didn't hear the organ music until later on in
the in my appearance. So as I said I was,
I heard that here we go Steelers thing, and I thought, well, okay,
I'll uh, I'll be my more optimistic sonny self.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
Anyways, we'll let you go, Bob to it, though I
will see you on Friday yeah, over at the rookie minicamp.
Can't wait for that to happen to get eyes on
some of these guys. He is Matt Williamson. I am
Dale Lollie. You're listening to the Drive here on the
Steelers Audio Network. Matt and I will be back with
more right after this.
Speaker 4 (46:17):
As he is.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
The Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on your
twenty four to seven Home of the Black and Gold
Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
And we are back. I am Dale Lolli. He is
the Matt Williamson and Matt. Of course, we're talking a
lot about the George Pickens trade today and I had
to laugh a little bit today. I can't remember where
I was reading, but somebody was writing about the trade obviously.
Speaker 3 (46:49):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
Then they're talking about how Brian Schottenheimer, and look, I'm
as big a Marty Schottenheimer fan as you. Oh yeah,
I know, great guy, great great. But his son, Brian
is now the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys has
never been a head coach before.
Speaker 3 (47:08):
Now it's an interesting endeavor to take on.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
And now you're adding George Pickens to that locker room.
Speaker 3 (47:13):
Yeah, I mean you're always under more of a spotlight
than any other team. Your owner is highly involved and
does radio shows and whatnot. Expectations are high. It's a lot.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
It's a lot to add to the plate of a
rookie head coach, and that's what he is. He's been
an offensive coordinator for a long time.
Speaker 3 (47:34):
Yeah, yeah, but he's never.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
Been the head guy. And they're talking about how he's
trying to change the culture in Dallas, and I'm like,
good luck with that.
Speaker 3 (47:43):
Right, I think the culture in Dallas is only changed
by one guy, and he's up in age and he's
pretty happy with how it's going, you know. I mean,
and McCarthy was good at those things. McCarthy's been a
head coach for a long time and he can handle
all those things. We'll see if Schottenheimer can. Now. George
is really young. I guess he just turned twenty three,
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like this week or something.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
Oh, he's like super young, super young.
Speaker 3 (48:06):
Caame the league really really young. There's a lot of
room as a human to mature and maybe.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
Absolutely and for George's sake, I hope, I hope it happened.
Speaker 3 (48:15):
I hope it's a little bit eye open to him
or heck, even if he fakes it and just on
his best behavior for a season to go get a
big payday on the open market. Whatever.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
But it could be volatile. He's not going to be
their number one receiver. He's not is going to get
targeted with the football. Now. Last season, pickings averaged just
under seven and a half targets per game.
Speaker 3 (48:38):
It's pretty good, yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:40):
It Obviously it spiked a little bit more with Russell
Wilson at quarterback as he rose to Justine. So probably
with Russell Wilson it was probably closer to eight to
nine targets per game.
Speaker 3 (48:50):
That Mad adds up. I bet there's more targets. I
bet they throw the football in Dallas more than the
Steelers did last year. But I do think they would
run the ball too. They drafted a big, mauling guard
in the first.
Speaker 2 (48:59):
Round and throw the ball to their tight ends and
they spread it around a.
Speaker 3 (49:03):
Little bit, and Lamb's gonna get time.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
Ceedee Lamb here at Ceedee Lamb's targets over the last
three seasons one hundred and fifty six, one hundred and
eighty one, one hundred and fifty two.
Speaker 3 (49:16):
Okay, And before this trade, he would have been my
bet to lead the league in targets. Now, I don't
know that he'd be number one on my list.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
He's not getting fewer than the one hundred and fifty two,
which was in fifteen games.
Speaker 3 (49:29):
By the way, I say, didn't he miss time too?
Speaker 2 (49:31):
Yeah, so he averaged basically ten targets.
Speaker 3 (49:33):
He's gonna get his ten. He's gonna get his twelve,
no question. And for him, like if we're gonna talk fantasy,
I don't think it hurts him at all. I think
it's productions. I think of higher quality targets. He'll face
a lot more doubles. George will definitely help them, as
you would have here get people out of the box
with a run, you know. I mean he's going to
help his teammates.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
George Pick isn't a good player. I'd whether he gets
a ball or not. Right, but is he going to
be happy? That's the that's the fly in the ointment
with this.
Speaker 3 (50:03):
Agree. I mean, it's a potential leave all little situation. Yeah,
I understand the risk for them.
Speaker 2 (50:08):
I really I didn't have a number two.
Speaker 3 (50:10):
They didn't have a number two. It's a really good one.
They didn't really have a number three, right, I mean
they're they're trading for Mingo and doing.
Speaker 2 (50:15):
If you took if you had taken before this trade,
if you took Ceed Lamb off of their roster, Oh yeah, wow,
it might be the worst wide receiver room in the league.
Speaker 3 (50:24):
It would be by a thousand, I think. I mean,
I don't think they drafted one at all. They didn't, right,
I mean, I think they would have liked to. But
it's back to what we've talked about for months. It's
not a great receiver draft. They probably had Team McMillan
or you know, or bust basically, And so you make
this move, and I think Mary Cooper would have ended
up there if it wasn't for this trade. Yeah. So,
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but I get it from their side.
Speaker 2 (50:48):
I get it from the you know why they're excited, Hey,
we get this great player. And again he is a
He's been a thousand yard receiver. He would have been
a thousand yard receiver last year if he hadn't missed
the three games.
Speaker 3 (50:59):
I think he's improved since he's been here. Yeah, it's
route running is more diverse. He's better after the catch,
you know. I mean, he's come a long way.
Speaker 2 (51:06):
But in the field, sometimes you must be careful what
you asked for in terms of you know, the grass
isn't always greener, and I if Mike Tomlin was having
issues keeping George Pickens in line, right, do we really
think Brian Schottenheimer in his first job as a head coach,
he's going to do any better with that?
Speaker 4 (51:27):
Right?
Speaker 3 (51:27):
It's a great question. Probably not. I mean, could have
change of environment. It didn't even seem like Pickens wanted out.
He didn't demand the trade. He never said he.
Speaker 2 (51:38):
Thought about it okay, and didn't wanted to play it
out here because he wanted to be with Tomlin.
Speaker 4 (51:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (51:43):
Yeah, I thought that that was never an issue, Like
what if he doesn't get along with the head coach?
Speaker 2 (51:47):
This trade doesn't happen if Tomlin doesn't sign off on it.
Speaker 3 (51:50):
Oh of course, right, So Dak's gonna have a lot
to do with it. I don't know who their wide
receiver coach is. That's gonna be an important aspect of
it to House's relationship with CD. I am who knows.
Speaker 2 (52:01):
Yeah, I don't know. We'll see, Yeah, yeah, it's going
to be interesting.
Speaker 3 (52:04):
Yeah. No, I really get it from both sides, and
especially if there's another thing to happen for the.
Speaker 2 (52:11):
Steelers, which right we all believe that there is. I'd
be shocked if it doesn't. Yeah, let's get to a break.
That's going to do it for our number one of
the drive here on the Steelers Audio Network, and I'll
be back with our number two right after this
This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson
on your twenty four to seven home of the Black
and Gold cast in Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
And Welcome day on the Drive, m Dale LOLLI, he
is the Matt Williamson and Well news this morning, the
Steelers have traded wide receiver George Pickens to the Dallas Cowboys.
The Steelers get a third round pick in next year's
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draft in addition to a fifth round pick in twenty
twenty seven. The Cowboys also get a sixth round pick
in twenty twenty seven from the Steelers.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Yep, I love the late pick swap. It's become such
an omar con thing. And it's exactly how I would
handle NFL trades as well. That's not the story here,
but it makes me chuckle. Did the same thing with
the Aunte, did the same thing with Pickett, you know,
I mean, all the time we're closed just well, we
swapped picks in a year or so. You know, no
reason to do it next year because youve got a bunch.
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But you'll be happy by it around right, you know,
but big news. It was shocking to wake up to.
Of course, guy kind of thought once the draft had
come and gone. It's probably unlikely, but I can't say
I'm blown away. Anyways, they weren't going to pay him.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
They weren't going to pay him. I don't know if
I don't know what George's reaction to that would have been.
Not knowing that he's not going to get paid. People
had suggested maybe he would do a hold in in
training camp. I didn't think he would go that route
because he still wants to get paid in the league.
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But the bottom line is is that he had become
I mean, how many times had Mike Tomlin been asked
after a game or during the week about something that
George had done a lot in the game or you
know that kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
And now there's a lot more that he wasn't asked about.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
That being said, Pickens is a talented player. Extremely I
would have been very interested to see what the offense
looked like with DK Metcalf on one side and George
Pickens on you other. I'm not going to talk out
of both sides of my mind. I think that would
have been a very intriguing prospect. I don't again, as
I said before, I don't think you would have seen
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a safety within fifteen yards of the line of scrimmage
with those two guys out there. But that doesn't mean
that you can't get that kind of production, slash play
or fear, at the very least out of somebody else
over there.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Yeah, I cut to the chase. I think there's another
shoe to draw.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Yes, something else is going.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
To happen, I would imagine, And I don't think it's
a Van Jefferson level. Now bring entire signscronic or you know.
I think it'll be something better than signing Robert Woods. Yeah,
and we can talk through a million options, which will
be fun.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Robert Woods just covers your butt, right your butt.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Sign It's ok with or without Pickings. It's a fine
move whatever. But it's not a game changer. It's not
a feature player. It's not somebody that more or less
less never leaves the field like Pickens and Metcalf would have,
which no question would have been alluring. I mean, I'm
sure you've seen many fans saying, well, now the receiver
room looks just like last year. Kind of yeah, I
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mean I kind of, but not really better. But it's
kinda yeah, I mean I see where you're saying, look
at it. This way, I don't think or not.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
We just did our segment earlier this week on how
we feel about the wide different every position on the
roster based on where we were at last year at
this time and this year at this time. I feel
better about Calvin Austin right now than I did a
year ago at this time. He is an actual NFL
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wide receiver.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
I mean he's taking a step forward.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Yeah, yeah, I feel I like Woods better than I
like what I got what they got from Jefferson.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
They're probably the same tier. But I hear what you're saying, ironic.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
It wasn't on the team I have. Yeah, I think
he is a valuable piece to this whole equation. We
don't know much about Roman Wilson, but I'll say this.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Now.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
DK metcalf has had some incidents in his career of
explosiveness in terms of penalties, and he's got a lot
of flags, but not to the level of Pickens. I
think it's totally different.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Like I keep hearing, DK Metcalf's a diva, He's a
selfish guy, I don't think so. I think he gets
routed up on the field, yeah, and can get instigated
and people know it and he needs to control that
because he will get he has gotten flags.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
He's gotten flag for it.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
But I don't think he's the distraction on Tuesday Wednesday
on the sidelines in the locker room that Pickens was,
or in terms of popularity in the locker room. I
think DK is going to win that contest. We'll believe
it at that. Yeah, right, you know, I mean I
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don't know the Pickings had to go, but he was going.
And whether it's a year from now or now, you know,
I mean, that's that's gonna happen, I think, and it's
gonna be good for him.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
To your point about why it happened now and not
before or during the draft, I think other teams knew that.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
I think Dallas wanted the big dude out of Arizona.
I think they wanted Tet McMillan. Well, I think that.
I think right before the draft. Yeah, Jerry Jones comes out.
So we got a couple of trades in the works.
I'm sure they were talking with the Steelers that immediately
picked by Answers. I'm like, Okay, they need a receiver,
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they need a receiver. The Steelers could be potentially in
the market for you know to move a receiver here.
But I don't think that the Cowboys at that time
were willing to offer a third round draft pick. I
think it was Justina Anderson said they were offering more
or less a fourth you.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Know which, all right, I'm not I'm not interested in
moving him for a right.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Like I liked Eric and your minor or you know,
the Stanford kid. Yeah, but that's not an even swap.
I would rather have the assets for later to maybe
go get a veteran names that we'll talk about, you know.
And if I'm the Cowboys man, I think I got
a shot at Timac here. That's who I really want.
Obviously they didn't want Golden. We could probably call Marii
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Cooper if we have to, but I'd rather roll with
Pickins highly motivated opening room for Lamb. It makes a
lot of sense to me for Dallas. If Dallas after
the year wants nothing to do with them, they'll probably
get a comp pick for him at some point. They're
not a team that ever goes out shopping outside the organization,
so it's a minimal investment for them, which could pay
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off huge. Maybe they love them and extend them. Who's
to say. But for them, it makes a ton of sense.
For the Steelers, if you were not insistent, but strongly
under the motivation that after the met Half trade that
he's not going to be here long or he's on
his way out, that's as good a time to do
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it as any because you've got a lot of time
between now an opening day. Contrary to popular belief, oh not,
what are they gonna do?
Speaker 2 (07:11):
They got a lot of time to figure that out,
and they have they have a lot more draft capital
with which too much work capital.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Too right, They're not going to make all those picks
next year.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
They are not. And you know, again, this goes back
to the whole plan part of this process. You know,
if you had traded I'm just calling up this year's draft,
if you had traded him for a.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Four, yeah, Cowboys fourth or whatever.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
The Cowboys four would have been. I'm just looking to
see who was available here. Did they even own there
for doesn't look like they did. Yeah, okay, so Carolina
used that pick. I don't know when they traded them.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Yeah, they ended up with it. But okay, fair enough.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
On Trevor atm It was one hundred and fourteenth pick
in the draft. George Pickens for the one hundred and
fourteenth pick in the draft.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
In this draft, uh huh, yeah, I get it done.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
And now I'm looking here to see a wide receiver.
Rich draft receivers. Now, the Steelers took Jack Sawyer at
one twenty three, Like.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
I immediately thought, maybe Sawyer wouldn't have been the pick there. Yeah,
who knows, I mean, there would have been a butterfly effect.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Jalen Royals went to the Chiefs at one thirty three.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
That was a little shocked.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
He felt that would be kind of intriguing, even though
when at one thirty six, Yeah, I knew they were
the two guys I thought too, that fell more than
your thought. But those guys aren't one for one replacements
for George Pickens.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Not even close, not even closed. And that would it
would be a you still would be looking.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
You would still be looking at for a veteran player.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Would you would be broken hearted if one of those
two ors in Pittsburgh right now? At be like both
of those players, so they'd be like a Roman Wilson. Yeah,
I don't know, we'll see.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
I mean, it's and maybe just maybe the Steelers looked
at what happened with Roman Wilson last year and said, Okay,
we really liked it this player a year ago. At
this time, it's pretty easy excited about guys on draft day.
But the problem with rookies is you have no track
record with them. No, no, I mean, right, they get
here and then you don't know. You don't know what
the guy's practice habits are. You don't know does he
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play through injuries. Yeah, in the case of Royals, he's
coming off of a major injury.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Ability to learn, right, just all that stuff press man coverage,
She didn't We didn't see a lot of it, but
we think he can do it. Well, maybe he can't
or can't yet or whatever. You know, I need a guy.
So again, if they're done, if this is the wide
receiver room on opening day, I'll probably be critical, you know,
And but I really think there's another shoe to drop.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
And so you start looking at again. So now going
into next year's draft, they got their first, Yeah, they
got a second, three thirds, three thirds, right, three thirds,
two four's, two fives, two six and a seventh.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
And a seventh. You're not gonna make all that They're
not going to make all those picks. And everyone obviously
we've talked this to no end. Two. Next draft very
well could be the quarterback draft for the Steelers. You know,
move up, go get Josh Allen Mahomes hopefully, but fifth
and six and fourth don't get you real far in
the first round.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
No, get you a veteran player.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Oh, they can get your veteran player. I mean between now,
in the trade deadline, you can get a lot for
a fourth round pick, you know, if you're especially with
the cap space of Steelers.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
At yeah, especially, and people might say what you're saying,
you wouldn't take you wouldn't have taken a fourth for
George Pickens. There's a difference here.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
There's a big difference.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
He's a player who's still in his rookie contract, right,
as opposed to paying some salary for a guy. Right,
the higher the salary, the lower the pick. I'm going
to give up.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
That happens all the time.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
And the same with you know, the the a little
older player. I'm not going to give up. You served
round draft picks.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
A lot of name brand dudes going for six and
sevens this time of year or in camp because of money.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Yeah, you know, teams just want to Okay, we're he's
not in our plans or teams come out of the draft.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
They said a couple there's a couple of teams that
drafted two receivers.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Hello Chicago Bears, Hello Houston Texans Packers Packers.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Yeah that all of a sudden, Boy, he's a big
cap hit. We'd like the future pick and go from there.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
You.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
I mean, there's a lot of these guys that are
interesting that way. Now. I don't know if any of
these names that will bring up are truly available or not,
but I will say two things. Players are more available
across the league than people think. You know, not that
you everyone has a price that sell my mom. By
the right thing you can get guys. Wide receivers in particular,
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aren't that hard to acquire. Now, everyone listens like what
about last offseason with Ayu? Steelers had some troubles, But here's.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
The receivers did move last year.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
I know the Steelers didn't land any and there were
so many and all that, but they move like crazy
that position.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
The guys that they were talking about trying to get,
they were trying to get a true number like they
wanted that really almost a number one.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Right now, you could have been one if they were.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Traded for Ayuk. Ayuk is your number one and George
Pickens is your two.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Oh yeah yeah, because the Metcalf deal, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
They weren't really interested in, you know, going long term
George at that point.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Right, right, right, I mean I think the writing was
on the wall and they wanted to and it didn't happen.
But that doesn't mean it's but they were ready to
make the deal, right. They were willing to make the
deal right, right. And receivers aren't the most It's not
like trading for a left tackle. Yeah, I mean you
can get receivers, and I've got a list of ones
would be real easy to get. A couple that are
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free agents, some that are bigger names that I don't
know would be available or not.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
But they're options. Well, let's start with the free agent guys. Okay,
so right now, you've got Amari Cooper's out there, Gabe
Davis was just cut today. Yeah, You've got Allen Keenan
Allen is still author. Beyond that, I don't know that
there's a lot that I'm super interested.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Those are the three for me, and let's break them
down a little bit because to me, Gabe Davis is
not the answer, but he's free, wouldn't cost you a thing.
He has some similarities play style to Pickens, and that
he's fast, he's downfield.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
He's going He would fit not as not necessarily as
you're all the time number two.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Right.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
But if I put him out there with DK Metcalf,
you're back to the situation again where the safety is
aren't going to be anywhere near the line of scrimmage, right.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
I mean he's a vertical outside the numbers, and the
fact that he's free in maybe league minimum contract is
appealing to me. I've never been a big Gabe Davis fan.
You can there's plenty of receipts. As they say when
the Jag signed them, like that's terrible signing, you know,
but for.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
What they wanted him to do, they want him to
be writing like the number two right, right, he's a
four or four. He's a rotational with Austin at times
he's bigger.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
He can get downfield.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Keenan Allen is slow and now he's slower than he's
he didn't get any faster in his thirties. No, but
on third and eight he'll get you nine on third
and five, he'll get you six. And he is an
old man game that I think still translates.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Some mostly slot though. I would be more in the market, yeah,
I mean I'd be more in the market for a
bigger X type guy, and that's Amari Cooper.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
So I did a lot of Amari Cooper homework this morning,
and a lot of it I stole from Matt Harmon
our wide receiver dude, and he laid it out really well.
And frankly, Matt said, I don't know if he's he
might be spent. I don't know, but he said he
had the weirdest year last year, per his charting. When
he was a Brown, he was open all the time
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and the quarterbacks couldn't give him pall. Yeah, when he
was a Bill, he was never opened and the quarterback
could give them ball.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Now, I thought at the time that he's jumping on
a moving train. That tells me he's jumping on a
moving train. Doesn't he's not sure of the offense right
and what he's supposed to be doing out, So you
don't go from being a guy that is getting open
to then changing teams and you can't get open right.
Playing a lot of the same teams, right, you're thinking
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too much out there.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
The other thing is he got injured before he ever
like the day they traded for him. He went like
two or three weeks before he even got on the field,
because I don't think he got injured as a Brown.
I think he got injured in practice, like day two
in a Bill's uniform. So if you give him the
benefit of the down and be like, he doesn't know
the offense, he's trying to get on a moving train.
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They're a playoff team that the train's going a million
miles an hour, and he might be injured or he's
playing through an injury. But he's also not signed for
a reason. He's on the market now. But he was
linked to the Cowboys up until this morning, right right,
And I don't know if he burned that bridge or
how that went with them last time.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
But he may not don't even wanted to go there.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
You may not want to go back. Yeah, I don't know.
He's been a Cowboy, so he would be free too.
He doesn't cost you a draft pick. He's a weird career,
but he's not young. But those are the three free agents.
A name I have to throw out there which sounds
better than it is. I think he's still a Jet,
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but as Alan Lazard.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
He's still a Jet. He just took a pay cut
to stay with the Jets.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
I knew there was stuff.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
I mean, everyone knows he could probably get him for
a second or seventh.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Yeah, I mean he's Aaron Rodgers buddy. He's will be
but he's not a terrible player. But I think he's
more of the Gabe Davis of He's not the answer either,
you know, like I'd take Lazard over Woods right now,
but I wouldn't say your player.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
He's proven with Aaron rod He's caught a lot of touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
He's had a better career than you think. And he's
not just Rogers buddy, you know. I mean, he's a
good football player, but he's not George Pickens.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
You know.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
It's not like, oh the room's great now again for
a seventh. I mean, those are the guys that I
basically were calling free agent.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
If you start looking at guys who could be available,
now you're looking.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
This list is more interesting that there have a cost
you if one of these picks we're.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Talking about immediately after the draft, and we even kind
of talked about this earlier in the week. I think
DJ Moore could be available.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Yeah, I do too. I mean their first pick was
the tight end. They already have Cole Comet. That implies
they're going to play a lot of two tight end sets.
They drafted Roma dune Day in the first round, in
Luther Burden in the second round this year, and Ben Johnson,
the head coach of the Bears, came out and said, basically,
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if you read between the lines, there were a lot
of routes. He didn't like DJ Moore's effort last year.
Now he's probably right. I haven't watched every bit of them,
but he doesn't have that long term reputation. He's not
a dog.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
It was a if you trade, everyone got fired, and
so it was the thing with Moore. If you trade
for DJ Moore, he's a sense working on a bunch
of one year deals.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
I would say, I don't know his contract, but they
did just give him money recently, so it's.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
His base salary This year is twenty point sixty five.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Yeah, they might want that off the books.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Next year it's twenty three point four eighty five. Okay,
the following year it's twenty three point four eighty five.
The following year after that, twenty three point four eighty five.
You're not paying any signing boniness.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
And so they did that. They've done that, and twenty
three might sound like a lot, but it doesn't. Three
years now, four years, five years fromow and again they.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Are If you were signing a free agent wide receiver,
that would be the going rate for a receiver. Yeah,
actually probably less than the going rate for a receiver
of DJ Moore's talents.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Yes, with a lot of guaranteed money in the deal
with it, you don't have to be involved in now.
I don't know if the Bears would move them or not.
I mean, trust me, half a Twitter is telling me.
I put it on Twitter as soon as I saw him,
like DJ Bore question mark. Half a Twitter is telling me, oh,
I love that for the Steears. That's the best fit
I've heard yet. Bears fans, no way, He's our number one.
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We love them. Their moves.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Don't imply drafted one in the first round last year, right,
you drafted more this year? You got you drafted a
first round tight end?
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Right? I mean, if I'm the Bears, how about that
pick you just got send me for Dj Moore all right,
and of course Omar will be like, well, we'll do
a pick swap.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
And essentially you be trading George Pickens for DJ Moore.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
That'd be great fine for the Steelers. Yeah, and you're
twenty million a year, twenty four million a year or whatever.
And then if I'm the Bears, I might be like, hey,
Keenan Allen, you gonna be our slot again. Teaches young pups,
you know, like they wouldn't have to be done either.
I'm just trying to think the teams that might move
a player. That one, to me, is probably the best
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player you could get.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
You mentioned Michael Pittman when we were chatting about this
earlier and.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Mixed feelings about that one because he had a back stuff.
No one used to have a back injury. Yeah, but
he's pretty expensive.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
It's not that expensive, really, eighteen million this year, Okay,
twenty two million next year, and then he's a free agent.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Coming off kind of a down year. But he's not bold.
I kind of like it. I mean, I don't like
back hearing that, but I think Downs is probably their
leading receiver. They also drafted a tight end as well.
They might need capital for a quarterback. They've got a
lot of pass catchers, I mean a Donnie Mitchell and Pierce.
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He would be a good fit here. I mean, he blocks,
he's tough, He's like a better of Juju to me,
with more outside capability.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Now, another one that you mentioned, Tyreek Hill. The problem
with Tyreek Hill A he's thirty one right now. His
base salary is just ten million dollars. But for Miami
to move him, it would cost it. It's a fifty
six point nine million dollar capit. They get a lot
of dead money there.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Yeah, and he has some allegations out there, and that
wouldn't help the drama in your building any anymore. And
I think he's declining. I mean, but his injuries were
like a broken arm or something last year. It was
something upper body. But you can still scoot and you
would never see anybody in the box with him in Metcape.
But that's a ball little move. Yeah, I mean, I'm and.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
See the Dolphins doing that, just because I don't know
if they can take on that that kind of dead cap.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
I don't think they're in the point where.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
It would cost it would actually cost them twenty seven
million dollars.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Ye.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know if that's worth it
for them, because I think their seats getting hot too.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
And they need to win Jacoby Myers. I think everybody
who's regular listeners to the show know are our appreciation
of Jacoby.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
He's a real solid number two.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
His cap hit this year is ten point five million.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Okah.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
They would actually save by releasing him about six million
in cap space.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Which I think they have a lot. But I don't
know if he's in their long term plans.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
He's gonna be He's twenty nine.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Beash is a little bit like him already.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Yeah, they just drafted.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
If they get through. Let's let's say they get into
their their camp here and they say, you know what,
this bet kid's pretty good. Hm, we can roll with this.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Bowers is there one? Yeah, the offense is gonna go
to run the ball anyway. Yeah, it's gonna go through
gent you know. I just think he wouldn't be that
hard to pry away.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Yeah, then I would certainly be interested in that.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
I don't see Brandon Ayu getting No.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
I don't either. I threw him out there, but I don't.
I think he's the least likely to move.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Here's so his cap hit this year for the forty
nine ers, he's just nine point nine million dollars next year.
Sign him next year is fifteen point three. His base
salaries make him very attractive, but he's not going to
be back until the middle of the season.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
I know, I know.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
So you're not gonna you're not going to make a
trade for him.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
It's pretty rare for someone to sign the week before,
you know, the summer before, right, and then get dealt.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
But could you get Christian kirk now off of I
think that'd be an easy one. They gave up a
I think a seven, a seven for him.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Because remember the Jags were going to cut him and then, yeah,
they would never trade him in division. Otherwise they go
one offer, We'll give you a seven for him instead
of cutting them.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
I think you could go go to Houston and say, hey,
we'll give you a six. We'll give you a six
or they're feeling good about that even if it's you know,
they just drafted the two Iowa State kids. They drafted
both Iowa State. Because his base salary this year is
only one point twenty five to five million, it doesn't
even affect your salary cap, but.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
It doesn't hurt at all. I mean, he's more slot,
but he can handle the outside. He's better than what
you got. He's clearly your two.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
They were gonna trade for him last year. It's the deadline.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
I would say, there's already been interest. I mean to me,
that'd be a pretty easy one. If it's a fifth,
you gonna turn your seventh into a fifth? All right,
we'll do it.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
We'll give you all, give you a five, you give
us a six.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
How about a pick swap?
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Yeah, you're getting into the fifth roll.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Yeah you know, yeah, I think that one could easily happen.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
And it clears out your room a little bit. Yeah yeah,
yeah know, it opens up some spots for these young
guys that you just drafted. Yeah, did you really plan
on you in your uniform before? Why not move them?
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Right? You had him for a little bit, you upgraded
your your pick. I'm sure their plan was not we're
gonna drink that, we're gonna draft both Iowa State kids.
It was we like them both, and he's still there.
Let's get the other one too. You know Packers also
drafted too. Watson's basically outpa these he's done.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Yeah, you're gonna.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Don't even think about him, but I think Romeo Dobbs,
who I don't I think you can get do. I
think you could get Dobbs. That would be the name.
And I think Rogers played with him for a year. Yeah,
you know, so good or bad, but I think they're
the factors in. He's fine. I don't love him, but
I think he's a I'd rather Myers, but I think
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he's good. I mean, I think he's.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
A right if you're looking at it, Dobbs versus Lizard.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Yeah, I'll probably take the younger guys. Yeah, i'd rather Myers.
I'd rather have a couple of these bigger names. But
it's not bad, and he's young.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
And he's been productive in that offense, you know, so
I wouldn't have a problem with that.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
I don't think I had any other names. I think
that's about.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
It, And there'll be some guys as we get into
the again, once teams get these rookies into their ota
sessions and start Okay, this kid's learning pretty fast. Yeah, yeah,
I think we can maybe move on from this veteran
guy or anything. Those are going to happen. Those are
going to happen. So I think there's some options you
know that probably more so than what there were last year.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Probably, and definitely you know, it's a long night way
down the road, but trade deadline there'll be a lot
more because there'll be teams that think they're in it
that aren't. You know, if that's something you want to
do and you can get something better than Mike Williams edition, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Yeah, I don't know. Anyways, let's get to a break.
We'll continue discussing this later in the show, but when
we come back.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Yeah, yeah, we got the.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Dina Doom, the Lord of Living in his Fears. Bob
Labriela joins us right after this.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
This is The Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson
on your twenty four to seven home of the Black
and Gold SNR Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Welcome back to the Drive. I'm Dale Lolly. He is
the Matt Williamson and you'll recognize from the music. We
are now joined by the Dean of Doom, the Lord
of Living in his Fears, Bob Labriola. How you doing, Labs.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
Well, I was going to be in a good mood
and then you know, the organ music started and so
I guess now I'll go back to the other persona Bob.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
The Steelers making a little bit of news this morning
by dealing a certain wide receiver away to the Dallas Boys.
Of all teams, George Pickens, now a member of the
Dallas Cowboys, catch you by surprise something you expected.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
I think it's something in between. It didn't catch me
by surprise, but it's not something I expected. I thought
that if it was gonna happen, it would have happened
during the draft. Maybe, but who knows. Maybe Jerry Jones
didn't want to meet the price until he saw what
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he got in the draft, which you know, teams do
that sometimes, and you know, in terms of the actual event,
you know, maybe that there are some things that we
don't know, you know, like what George pickens mindset was,
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what his plans were for, you know, training camp, all
of that kind of stuff. And so I think that,
you know, it was time he didn't seem to be growing.
Maturing maybe is the better word. And you know, you
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don't want I don't think you want to wait until
the trading deadline, you know, because I would think then
that the the return would be even less because this
is a guy who would be is going into the
final year of his rookie contract in twenty twenty five.
And if you're a team that gets him trading deadline
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is what November late October. Yeah, okay, you know you
would be renting him for you know, less than half
a season, half a regular season, So I mean, I
don't know what you could get for him then, really,
So I don't think that this is the end. I
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think Omar Kahn maybe has some other things up his sleeve,
or you know, he's working on some other things. I
don't think that the Steelers go to training camp with
the cores of wide receivers that they currently have on
the roster. I think that there would be something else
happening at that position. Again, that's again, that's what I think.
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I don't know anything. It just would seem to me that, Yeah,
and I don't know that they have enough numbers for
camp anyway at that position. I mean, those guys do
a lot of running. I'm sure that some of the
ones that they have on the roster currently, you know,
Danny Smith is going to have some plans for them
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at training camp too, So you know, you don't want
to wear these guys out. They get saw fissue injuries
in there there. They can't they can't even help you
on a practice field. So that's why I'm thinking, you know,
there's going to be something else that happens between now
and the.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
End of your labs. Do you think it's safe to
say that the Steelers just weren't interested in giving him
a long term contract?
Speaker 4 (30:08):
Well, I mean, you know that that's certainly what is
indicated by this, because if they were, you know, well
our Rooney did say in January that there were no
plans to extend him this year. Yeah, so, and I
don't know how George Pickens would have reacted to that,
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or if he has already reacted to that, and we
don't know. So, you know, again, as I said, I
think that this might be the best realistic outcome for this.
I mean, it would have been great to have Pickens
team in with DK Metcalf and giving the offense a
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you know what I would call a legitimate you know,
one two punch at wide receiver, a couple of NFL
caliber athletic, big play people. But I mean, you know,
if it's not real, what's the point.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Yeah, you just didn't know. And again, after three years
of dealing with George Pickens. Quite honestly, you never knew
what to expect from not just game the game, but
even sometimes day to day in terms of and I
don't want to say that he was necessarily a you know,
he wasn't out, you know, driving at one hundred miles
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an hour on on the roads or anything like that,
or you know, getting in trouble off the field. But
there were issues, and you know, some of it maturity issues.
And they had three years for him to try to
work through some of those maturity issues, and they obviously
felt that they didn't see enough growth there.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
Yeah, and I also think, you know, to be fair,
changing offensive coordinators, revolving quarterback sure that that's certainly didn't
that's not conducive to a wide receiver developing, and especially
a mercurial guy like Pickens. You know, I think that
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just added to the fact that he didn't settle in
from a maturity standpoint. So, you know, as I said,
I just think that the reality of the moment where
we are now with both the team and the player,
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you know, I think that this was a decent return
on the guy, probably the best you are going to
get for someone because again, even now Okay, he's he's
traded to the Cowboys. He's going into the final year
of his rookie contract, right. Whatever he wanted from the
Steelers in terms of money and length and that kind
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of stuff, you know, he's gonna want from Dallas too,
I would imagine. And you know, Dallas has you know,
Michael Parsons to deal with in terms of a contract
extension this year, you know, and what we've seen historically
or recent history anyway, Jerry Jones isn't someone who you know,
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gets these things done well in advance either, So you
know who knows what's gonna happen with that, you know.
And again that's he's in Dallas. That's the NFC. Let
Vic Fangio worry about him.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Obviously depends who's available. But would you think they're still
in the market for a bigger downfield threat, you know,
I mean a field stretcher, go up and get a guy.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
I think that what you said first is you know
the reality depending on what's available. I mean, you know,
you can want whatever you want, but if you.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Go to the store and there's only green paint.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Yeah, I'm not really interested in a Roman Wilson Austin
sized guy.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
Well again, I don't even know who's available. I mean
as a Roman Wilson Austin sized guy. And I'm just
picking out a name here, Amari Cooper. What size is he?
Speaker 3 (34:20):
He's much more of a bigger on the line of
scrimmage man beater two pounder, you know.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
Okay, well, because that seems to me to be kind
of what's out there, you know, and there's the ridiculous
ones Odell Beckham and you know that kind of stuff.
I mean, I don't know whoever it is. It has
to be someone. You've got to bring someone in in
my opinion, who you know, is physically capable of practicing
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and lasting. You know, I don't I don't want any
often injured or guy's coming off serious in injuries, elderly
in terms of football years, you know that kind of stuff,
because that's just problems waiting to happen. And you know
my understanding, well, at least this is the way it
used to be. If a team picks up a player,
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passes him on the physical and signs him to a contract,
If that player then after his career is over and
doesn't play for any other team, if there's injury grievances
that falls on the last team that passed him on
the physical. So, in other words, you could be paying
for all of Odell Beckham's previous injuries if that's the
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way you decide to go if it doesn't work out.
So you know, those are things you got to think
about too in doing these things. So, as I said,
I don't know what's out there, the Steelers medical team
is going to have to be involved, you know, And
I just don't know that this is me again personally,
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I know that I want a guy in his thirties
with an injury history who's looking for maybe a one
year deal, and then I get stuck hold in the
bag after you know, when it's all over.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
After his ten year career. Well but most of which
was played somewhere else.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
Yeah, yes, so uh, those are those are things I
think that are going to be at play as the
Steelers are looking Omark con bleeding away, you know, combing
the the shelves in the store for someone to add
to the roster at that position.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Well, Bob, here's one thing we do know now after
this trade, the Steelers have their first Next year, they
have a second. They now have three third round draft
picks next year two fourths if the if the compensatory
formulas are correct, two fifths, two six and a seven.
By my math, that's twelve draft picks. I don't see
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them making twelve draft picks next year. So, you know,
I think that, you know, certainly trading for another player
would would be on the docket or be something that
they could perhaps look into, you mean now now, yeah,
or after OTAs or after.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
You know, right, yeah, who knows him?
Speaker 4 (37:21):
Maybe you know, maybe you save him for next offseason,
or maybe you save him for you know, when Roger
Goodell steps to the stage there outside of Akrasure Stadium
on April whatever the date is going to be, twenty third.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
I think that's a guess that sounds right.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
And says, you know, the twenty twenty six NFL Draft
is now open. The Browns were on.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
The He's never said that before.
Speaker 4 (37:50):
He couldn't couldn't resist, But you know, maybe that's maybe
that's the plan. Again, I don't know, Yes, Steal, you
could be right, maybe I could be right. But what
were I definitely think we agree on is draft picks. Yeah, well,
but twelve draft picks. You're just drafting guys to cut
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them if you're making twelve picks.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
Nice problem to have, though, I mean they've accumulated these
by design through the comp game and part of the plan.
Part of the plan, right, you know, they all these
nice resources to have. You could trade up in rounds,
You could trade them for picks the next year. You
could use them at the trade deadline to get whatever
I like. Where they're sitting, you know, in terms of
just future draft capital, slash a lot of cap space too,
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So they have a lot of options ahead, right.
Speaker 4 (38:43):
And it's going to be certainly fun for you know,
the purveyors of mock.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Drafts and all that stuff next year.
Speaker 4 (38:51):
If they do, if they do, you know, get through
this season with you know, the same number. But the
one thing I just want to point this out. You
guys may know this, but maybe some listeners do not.
You cannot trade those compensatory right, you don't know the
actually awarded, right. So that's a couple of weeks before
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the draft usually, and that's a you know, a general
time frame before those become official. So some of the threes,
some of the fours, we may be looking at them
now as you know, likely compensatory picks, but until they're official.
You can't throw them into any trades.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
You have to trade your own pick.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
You know, the Steelers four Dallas they've got they've got
some extra stuff here. One thing that Matt and I
have talked about a lot here, Bob, is every time
Omar Khan makes a trade, every every single one of them,
there'll be the main compensation. And you, like, you look
at the DK Metcalf trade as an example, you traded
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the two, but then you flip flop picks in the
later rounds you get you get there five for your six,
or there's you're there're six for your seven. Every single
time he does this, it's like it's just a little
give me a little something something.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
At the end of this, I feel like they almost
got a deal and he's like, well, let me give
you our seventh for your six, and that'll steal it.
And who's just say no to that? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (40:20):
Right? And he doesn't add the other way too. When
you're trying to get something from someone, you kind of
mitigate what you're giving by doing the same thing. Like
I think the Herbie trade was that the draft day trade.
It was a late switch of picks that was adding
on when you the Skiers wanted to move into that
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round and move up in that round to pick Nick Krbing.
So yeah, it's again, I think it's a nice, nice
way to approach things. And as I couldn't tell which
one of you said this, but yeah, why not?
Speaker 3 (40:57):
Yeah, right, little something next year? You know who's gonna
say at all?
Speaker 4 (41:01):
And it's not that much you know, to ask for
or to give, you know, depending upon which side of
it you're on.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
Two years from now is in this trade. But you'll
be happy you have that fifth you know.
Speaker 4 (41:16):
Yeah, right, that's another thing that makes it somewhat painless.
Right it's two years away, Yeah, yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Yeah, it's just an interesting approach to this.
Speaker 4 (41:27):
Bob.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
Rookie Mini camp opens up this weekend. This will be
the first opportunity for the Steelers coaching staff to get
a look at the draft picks and you know, some
of the undrafted guys. One thing it always kind of
flies under the raiders. They'll bring in guys for tryouts
and Terrence Garvin's one that made it coming out of
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a rookie tryout, Like I couldn't remember if there's anybody
else off the top of my head that that made
the team coming and not just made the like, was
invited back. And Darrence Scarvin stuck with the team for
three years and played six years in the NFL coming out.
Speaker 4 (42:04):
Of a jupon ward last year.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
Well, yeah, he was a veteran guy. But yeah, I mean, well,
I mean he was a rookie mini camp guy.
Speaker 4 (42:12):
You're allowed to have so many quote unquote veterans who
are unsigned on your rookie mini camp roster. But you
know who didn't make it Duck Hadges, right, right, I mean,
and that was only after Ben you know, his elbow
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blew up, but the Steelers went back to him. So yeah,
you know, rookie mini camp is interesting to me always,
you know, if for no other reason, you know, I
like to mess with Danny Smith about this, because you
have to have a punter, a place kicker, a long snapper,
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and a holder.
Speaker 3 (42:59):
And.
Speaker 4 (43:01):
Because if you don't, you can't practice. And if they're
not competent, at least not even NFL caliber, but competent,
then you can't get anything done because then you're just
using the jugs machine, you know, for kickoffs and punts,
and that doesn't really you know, you want to run.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
Some you want to simulate a practice so that your
rookies that are going to be on the roster actually
understand what a practice is going to look like.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
Offensive linemen on the.
Speaker 4 (43:28):
Field, and and uh, you know your your coaches too
want to.
Speaker 5 (43:34):
See right and so yeah, you want to put them
through a legitimate, a legitimate at least training camp practice replication.
Speaker 4 (43:45):
So yeah, it's it's you know, putting this roster together
is is not necessarily an easy thing. I think the
Steelers are fortunate a couple of reasons. Will Howard. You've
got to you know, you got one quarterback that is
capable of practicing, you know, at this time of the
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off season, and you signed Ben Sauls, the pit place kicker,
as an undrafted rookie, so you know you've got a
couple of things going for you right there. One of
the things that's interesting too is Ben Sauls is a
left handed kicker. Left footed kicker. Excuse me, So whoever
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you're you got holding, maybe you need two holders if
a guy has never done it left for a left
footed guy.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Wouffer.
Speaker 4 (44:42):
Yeah, yeah. So anyway, I'm not saying that it's going
to be and a really revealing weekend in terms of
what we may see on Chuck Nollfield in late July
up at Saint Vincent College. But you know, for those
of us who are going to be there and need to,
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you know, kill some time watching something, you know it'll
be well. I don't want to get carried away and
say it'll be interesting, but it might occupy a little
bit of the hour and a half or whatever we're
out there watching.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
It'll be the first of I don't know, one hundred
and fifty football practices that I watch over the next
eight months. Yeah, yeah, something along those lines. Our guest
has been Bob Labriola, editor of Steeler's Digesting Steelers dot com.
We appreciate labs stopping by every Wednesday, as he does.
The Dean of Doom, the Lord of Living in his
fearsal a good mood today, Bob, Well, you know I didn't.
Speaker 4 (45:41):
I didn't hear the organ music until later on in
the in my appearance. So as I said I was,
I heard that here we go Steelers thing, and I thought, well, okay,
I'll uh, I'll be my more optimistic sonny self.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
Anyways, we'll let you go, Bob to it, though I
will see you on Friday yeah, over at the rookie minicamp.
Can't wait for that to happen to get eyes on
some of these guys. He is Matt Williamson. I am
Dale Lollie. You're listening to the Drive here on the
Steelers Audio Network. Matt and I will be back with
more right after this.
Speaker 4 (46:17):
As he is.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
The Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on your
twenty four to seven Home of the Black and Gold
Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
And we are back. I am Dale Lolli. He is
the Matt Williamson and Matt. Of course, we're talking a
lot about the George Pickens trade today and I had
to laugh a little bit today. I can't remember where
I was reading, but somebody was writing about the trade obviously.
Speaker 3 (46:49):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
Then they're talking about how Brian Schottenheimer, and look, I'm
as big a Marty Schottenheimer fan as you. Oh yeah,
I know, great guy, great great. But his son, Brian
is now the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys has
never been a head coach before.
Speaker 3 (47:08):
Now it's an interesting endeavor to take on.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
And now you're adding George Pickens to that locker room.
Speaker 3 (47:13):
Yeah, I mean you're always under more of a spotlight
than any other team. Your owner is highly involved and
does radio shows and whatnot. Expectations are high. It's a lot.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
It's a lot to add to the plate of a
rookie head coach, and that's what he is. He's been
an offensive coordinator for a long time.
Speaker 3 (47:34):
Yeah, yeah, but he's never.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
Been the head guy. And they're talking about how he's
trying to change the culture in Dallas, and I'm like,
good luck with that.
Speaker 3 (47:43):
Right, I think the culture in Dallas is only changed
by one guy, and he's up in age and he's
pretty happy with how it's going, you know. I mean,
and McCarthy was good at those things. McCarthy's been a
head coach for a long time and he can handle
all those things. We'll see if Schottenheimer can. Now. George
is really young. I guess he just turned twenty three,
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like this week or something.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
Oh, he's like super young, super young.
Speaker 3 (48:06):
Caame the league really really young. There's a lot of
room as a human to mature and maybe.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
Absolutely and for George's sake, I hope, I hope it happened.
Speaker 3 (48:15):
I hope it's a little bit eye open to him
or heck, even if he fakes it and just on
his best behavior for a season to go get a
big payday on the open market. Whatever.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
But it could be volatile. He's not going to be
their number one receiver. He's not is going to get
targeted with the football. Now. Last season, pickings averaged just
under seven and a half targets per game.
Speaker 3 (48:38):
It's pretty good, yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:40):
It Obviously it spiked a little bit more with Russell
Wilson at quarterback as he rose to Justine. So probably
with Russell Wilson it was probably closer to eight to
nine targets per game.
Speaker 3 (48:50):
That Mad adds up. I bet there's more targets. I
bet they throw the football in Dallas more than the
Steelers did last year. But I do think they would
run the ball too. They drafted a big, mauling guard
in the first.
Speaker 2 (48:59):
Round and throw the ball to their tight ends and
they spread it around a.
Speaker 3 (49:03):
Little bit, and Lamb's gonna get time.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
Ceedee Lamb here at Ceedee Lamb's targets over the last
three seasons one hundred and fifty six, one hundred and
eighty one, one hundred and fifty two.
Speaker 3 (49:16):
Okay, And before this trade, he would have been my
bet to lead the league in targets. Now, I don't
know that he'd be number one on my list.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
He's not getting fewer than the one hundred and fifty two,
which was in fifteen games.
Speaker 3 (49:29):
By the way, I say, didn't he miss time too?
Speaker 2 (49:31):
Yeah, so he averaged basically ten targets.
Speaker 3 (49:33):
He's gonna get his ten. He's gonna get his twelve,
no question. And for him, like if we're gonna talk fantasy,
I don't think it hurts him at all. I think
it's productions. I think of higher quality targets. He'll face
a lot more doubles. George will definitely help them, as
you would have here get people out of the box
with a run, you know. I mean he's going to
help his teammates.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
George Pick isn't a good player. I'd whether he gets
a ball or not. Right, but is he going to
be happy? That's the that's the fly in the ointment
with this.
Speaker 3 (50:03):
Agree. I mean, it's a potential leave all little situation. Yeah,
I understand the risk for them.
Speaker 2 (50:08):
I really I didn't have a number two.
Speaker 3 (50:10):
They didn't have a number two. It's a really good one.
They didn't really have a number three, right, I mean
they're they're trading for Mingo and doing.
Speaker 2 (50:15):
If you took if you had taken before this trade,
if you took Ceed Lamb off of their roster, Oh yeah, wow,
it might be the worst wide receiver room in the league.
Speaker 3 (50:24):
It would be by a thousand, I think. I mean,
I don't think they drafted one at all. They didn't, right,
I mean, I think they would have liked to. But
it's back to what we've talked about for months. It's
not a great receiver draft. They probably had Team McMillan
or you know, or bust basically, And so you make
this move, and I think Mary Cooper would have ended
up there if it wasn't for this trade. Yeah. So,
(50:47):
but I get it from their side.
Speaker 2 (50:48):
I get it from the you know why they're excited, Hey,
we get this great player. And again he is a
He's been a thousand yard receiver. He would have been
a thousand yard receiver last year if he hadn't missed
the three games.
Speaker 3 (50:59):
I think he's improved since he's been here. Yeah, it's
route running is more diverse. He's better after the catch,
you know. I mean, he's come a long way.
Speaker 2 (51:06):
But in the field, sometimes you must be careful what
you asked for in terms of you know, the grass
isn't always greener, and I if Mike Tomlin was having
issues keeping George Pickens in line, right, do we really
think Brian Schottenheimer in his first job as a head coach,
he's going to do any better with that?
Speaker 4 (51:27):
Right?
Speaker 3 (51:27):
It's a great question. Probably not. I mean, could have
change of environment. It didn't even seem like Pickens wanted out.
He didn't demand the trade. He never said he.
Speaker 2 (51:38):
Thought about it okay, and didn't wanted to play it
out here because he wanted to be with Tomlin.
Speaker 4 (51:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (51:43):
Yeah, I thought that that was never an issue, Like
what if he doesn't get along with the head coach?
Speaker 2 (51:47):
This trade doesn't happen if Tomlin doesn't sign off on it.
Speaker 3 (51:50):
Oh of course, right, So Dak's gonna have a lot
to do with it. I don't know who their wide
receiver coach is. That's gonna be an important aspect of
it to House's relationship with CD. I am who knows.
Speaker 2 (52:01):
Yeah, I don't know. We'll see, Yeah, yeah, it's going
to be interesting.
Speaker 3 (52:04):
Yeah. No, I really get it from both sides, and
especially if there's another thing to happen for the.
Speaker 2 (52:11):
Steelers, which right we all believe that there is. I'd
be shocked if it doesn't. Yeah, let's get to a break.
That's going to do it for our number one of
the drive here on the Steelers Audio Network, and I'll
be back with our number two right after this
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