May 1, 2025 • 44 mins
Dale and Matt discuss the perception of teams post draft in the eyes of the league.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on
your twenty four to seven home of the Black and
Gold Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
And welcome to the Drive. I am Dale LOLLI he
is the Matt Williamson and it's a we're a week
out from the draft, Yeah we are.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Huh. The first night of the draft night was one
week ago.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Yeah, so I wanted to go back today, Matt and
take a look at we had three trades I believe
it was three trades of four trades actually in the
first round of this year's draft.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
And everybody started all thirty two had their first first
That won't be the case next year, no, So.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I wanted to look at the cost of what it
was to move up or down, and then what those
teams acquired in those deals, because obviously next year the
Steelers could be in that market.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Oh, that's absolutely possibility of the plan. The plan, right,
I think it's pretty clear that they're going to be
one of the most active quarterback searching first round teams
most likely.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
As an aside did that, I've seen a couple of
the twenty six mock drafts.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Yeah, I've been kind of hitting them too.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
And I've looked at them, and the last couple that
I've seen haven't had the Steelers taking a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
I don't even look what team they put the players.
I just want to learn about the players. And boy,
there's a lot of tackles, there's a lot of Yeah,
it does seem like it's good in d line. People
seem pretty encouraged by the quarterback class. But we'll see, yeah,
instead of playing.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
But the last two that I've seen haven't had the
Steelers taking a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Most I've seen have not as well.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
What are we talking about?
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Right? Right? Right?
Speaker 2 (01:39):
You get the Rams trading up for a quarterback, you know,
the Steelers trading up for a quarter Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
I don't think people put a lot of time into
the team needs at the moment.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
We'll just getting the right were all talking about that
as a team need going into this draft?
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Right?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
What's changing?
Speaker 3 (01:53):
And Everie Rodgers is going to get a year older
in every article you see of biggest holes remaining Steeler
quarterback you know which I get, but it's it won't
be for long anyways.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
So the first trade of the night was Jacksonville moving
up to number two with Cleveland moving back to number five,
So the Jaguars got number two pick, which they used
on Travis Hunter. They got a twenty twenty five fourth
round pick which was oneh four, which they used to
take bays Sheelle.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Touton, and then they definitely a faster on offense.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
They took a They got a twenty twenty five sixth
round pick which was number two hundred, which they used
on safety Ray and Lane. Okay, the Browns got the
fifth over kid yeah, I think so. Yeah, yeah, the
Browns got the fifth overall pick, which they used on
Mason Graham. They got the second round pick from the Jaguars,
which they used on Quinn Shawn Judkins. They also got
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the twenty twenty five fourth round pick from the Jaguars
that they used on Dylan Sampson, and next year's first
round pick from the Jaguars.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Which is huge. So when that happened, I thought, that's
a haul for the Browns. I mean, that is a
really good haul. I don't like what they did with it, no,
but they do have two first round picks.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
That was like, once they made that move back to five,
they should have traded back again.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Oh. I think four and five was no man's land.
That's what I was gonna say, is most of these trades,
if we look in NFL history, someone goes from five
to two, it's for Carson Wentz or Drake may or
you know whatever I mean, it's a quarterback. Of course,
in this case, I think it was a double edged sword.
Which is why they got as much as they did.
Was let me get out of no man's land at five,
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because do I want from the Jags? Do I want Graham?
And do I want Membo? He was even talking tech
mc millan and gent you know, but like not exactly
what I'm after. With the top five pick, and I
get to the sweet spot of I probably get the
best player. I get what I think is the best
player in this draft.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
I would have immediately been on the phone with say.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
The Bears, the genty team. Yeah yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Say, hey, if you want to get up here to five,
because we know the Raiders are, everybody's linked them to genty,
you wind up coming to Freus. You want genty? Yeah yeah, yeah,
And it wouldn't even have had to have been I
don't need.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
To get you might still get Graham at ten.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
That's the thing, right, You don't need to get a
huge haul to go back from five to ten.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
If you could get a second, that'd be great, but
maybe a future second or you know, or I don't need.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
A time because I already got my haull. I already
got a whole bunch of picks here. Yeah, premium picks
from the from Jacksonville. I'm sure I don't know the
draft chart off the top of my head. I mean
the Jimmy Johnson charts or whatever. And that doesn't even matter.
It's different for us. What was my point is, it's
different for every year. But anyway, if by chance they
turned a dollar into a buck twenty that fifth pick,
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I would have taken ninety cents on to go to ten. Yeah,
because I'm still going to get somebody goes to your point.
They still might have gotten Mason Graham, Yeah, ten.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Right, right, or they could have got a better pick
and got like Banks. Yeah, I would have taken offensive lineman.
It's my point, not the ranks is a great prospect,
but them not getting an offensive linement makes my brain crazy.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
But anyway, so they traded back. They traded away from
Travis Hunter for two running backs in a defensive tackle. Now,
they did also get the first round pick next.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Absolutely, that might be wonderful. And I always hate saying,
you know, like, well history shows that they're terrible at this.
But history shows they're terrible at this. You know, like
it's different people, but it is the same building. I
worked there. You know that they've traded down a lot
or had a lot of drafts in their history with
a lot of high picks. Brandon Weeden, I remember having
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that terrible with it, especially quarterback.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
I was on with David Todd ten years ago. Yeah, yeah,
and he was talking about that. I really like what
the Browns did, trading back and getting all these future picks.
I'm like, yeah, they've done that like three years in
a row. At some points you have to use the picks.
They were moneyball teams.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Then, you know, like we're just gonna keep trading back
because logically it does make more sense to trade back
than up. But you got to hit That doesn't mean
you're a good scouting.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
At some point you have to use the picks. Yeah,
they kept trading every year they would they'd trade for
these picks and then trade them away the next year.
Like at some point make the pick.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Yeah yeah, I mean really since they've been back in
the league. There's no doubt in my mind, they've had
the most multiple seasons with multiple first round picks.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
But that was one year they three That was a
good haul. So they got a first.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
On paper, it's a good trade.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Yeah, first fourth and next year's first for a first,
a fourth and a sixth. Yeah, they moved three three.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
I didn't realize the four and the six and that stuff.
So at least there's a little something, little sugar back.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Yeah, but you know they got they got it. They
moved down three spots for a fourth. I get it.
But then you took what you took in this particular draft,
picking thirty six in one twenty six. And if you
look at the draft at thirty six, the next pick
at thirty seven was Jonah Savonia. Yeah, could have used him,
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Oh you could have used him. Who else was it?
Arianta Urser went at forty eight.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
I mean, linman were flying off the board, but you
can't not come out up without at least one premium lineman.
So two things I wouldn't want to mention that I
want to get back to this trade thing for sure
is when they took Graham round one ends we don't
know what they're going to do with the rest of
their picks, but they got a bunch. They're on the clock.
It's Thursday. I mean, they can do whatever they want.
They got this future first, what a haul. Great. I'm
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thinking what I would do and what I assume they're
going to do is they're gonna draft linemen like crazy.
They got Graham, maybe they'll get an edge rusher. Now
in a deep edge class. Everyone's talking about what would
Carter and Garrett look like together? Boy, that'd be scary.
While there's still a ton of edges out there. There's
Mike Green, there's a Rique. I mean, there's tons of
those dudes. They don't get either.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
As a recu Whent at forty four.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Yeah, I mean, if they were taking him in the
first pick a round two, I've been like, that makes sense.
You didn't get Abdil Carter, but you got a ninety
percent version of him, and you put him next to
Garrett and he's had singles his whole life. It's pretty good.
So they up with no old lineman and no edge
rushers with all those premium picks. Yeah, that makes me insane. Right,
two quarterbacks to running backs?
Speaker 2 (08:07):
What do you address the needs? Ye know, yeah, right
and right is redundant.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Yeah, you got a backup tight end. It makes me crazy.
And they're getting to the team getting all the a's
and a pluses from these draftnicks. Yeah, because I guess
because they got your door. But they made a lot
of picks of people that people know. Yeah, you know,
Judkins and Samson.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
But when you look at the collective, it's like, yeah, big.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Jonah from Arizona would have made more sense. You know.
So he's not flashy, but he would have been a
starter for them, probably for eight years.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Okay, so the Yeah, the Giants made the deal with
the Texans to go from thirty four to twenty five
thirty Okay, this is kind of what we talked about.
If the Steelers had traded back, you weren't going to
get a two to do that, right, right, right, right,
So they go back to thirty four, They get the
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twenty twenty five second round pick, they got a twenty
twenty five third round pick, which was ninety nine mm,
and they got a twenty twenty six third round pick.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Which for the Giants I think is a great move.
Like I'm not pick on Dart, but if they love Dart.
They apparently loved Dart. Whatever, that's not that bad.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Of all, the team drafted Forest Lamp a couple of years.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
But that's not that bad. Yeah, if you got a
future quarterback, that's a worth of bite in the apple.
And we were talking about this too, like one of
our male bad questions was what if the Giants are
Titans get the first pick of the draft next year,
would they go quarterback? I don't think the Titans would,
but the Giants might. That's not even that much of
an investment, you know, like if Andrew lux coming out,
you take Andrew.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
They didn't trade a future first to get to right, right, right,
They traded a future third to do this.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Which is sort of costly, but you're not married to
him to no, especially if you do get the first
pick of the draft, probably everyone's getting fired and they
the new guys might not like Dart anyways, right, which
is probably how it goes.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
So it ended up being Jackson Dart. The Texans drafted
Jayden Higgins at pick thirty four.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Oh that was the Houston I was thinking. The Rams
made the deal. The Rams made the edge deal.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
The Texans traded away the ninety ninth pick to the Raiders,
who took Charles Grant. Okay, and they've got next year's third.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
It's not apples to apples comparison. Obviously these teams didn't
make the same picks. But if I'm the Texans, I'd
much have Charles Grant and Higgins than Dart or if
I'm on any team. Yeah, I mean, obviously every team's
needs are different, but you know what I mean, Like,
those are better prospects combined to me than Dart, you know.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
But meanwhile, Atlanta spends a lot more or gives up
a lot more for an edge rusher, not a quarterback
in the same neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Well, though, that was a terrible deal. That's where we're
going to next year. So they trade into the first
round to pick twenty six. They also get picked one
oh one Okay, okay for forty six to forty two
and next year's first.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
The first as a killer, right, I mean two forty
two means nothing in that deal, but right, And that's
a long way for the Rams to wait. They end
up with Terrence Ferguson. Apparently they were trying to get
up for one of the tight ends couldn't hang around.
They take the Plan B tight end.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Yeah, so they don't get much out of this draft,
but they got next year's first. Yeah, the Falcons did
that to come up and get James Pierce. The third
round pick that they got, which was then traded to
the Broncos through the Eagles, was used on Savon Jones. Okay,
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the Rams got Terrence Ferguson, as you said. The seventh
rounder that they got was Kannada Mumpfield, the wide receiver
from Pitt and next year's first.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Next year's first. So the beauty of it all right. Yeah,
so knowing the Rams, they may have a really good
year and trade for Tyreek kill the trade deadline, you
know what I mean, or Pickens or Ramsey year, whoever.
I mean, they could easily do that, or they could
have the Stafford replacement plan very accessible. Like it's real
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easy to say they got two first round picks. They'll
definitely a quarterback. You said. To make it happen, you
got to move up the game.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
I mean, let's let's say, for example, let's say the
Falcons finish eighteenth, which is possible.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Yeah, Like I think they'll be second place in that
division probably Okay, so you get the eighteenth pick of
the rams.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
They win their division, they're picking twenty four.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Yeah, win a playoff game or whatever.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Twenty four and eighteen isn't getting I don't know if
that's getting you all the way up into the top five.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
I would say I doubt think that gets you to five,
right to ten, Yeah, you know, if there's four quarterbacks
in the class or whatever. Yeah, and then you don't
have another first round I mean obviously unless you're also
going to throw in next year's first. Now you're going
to trade three first to move up into the top five. Yeah,
that doesn't well maybe they could, Yeah you could, but
you better be damn sure about that pick. I mean,
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I'm sure falcon everyone's killing the Falcons.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Let's say Stafford says, I'm going to play two more years,
all right. Now, you've just traded the way two years
worth of first round draft picks for guys gonna be
sitting on your bench.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Right or you trade out of the first round again,
you know, and you just keep kicking the can. But
then eventually gotta make the pick. Then mountain picks right
right right, I mean it's.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
A nice thing to have, absolutely, Yeah, and I you know,
I hate what the Falcons did there.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Me too, But I understand Pierce wasn't even on some
teams boards because the character stuff, not that he's like
a criminal, but people just don't want to be around him. Yeah,
because real quick on the Falcons, I thought they got
a gift from the football gods that Walker was there
for their pick. He's a little undersize, which I think
is the only reason he was, But that's a really
good player to sit and pick in the middle of
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the first round, right when edge pass rushes your biggest.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
And everybody been talking about them wanting to move down because.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
They were short on picks, right, that was the other thing.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
They moved up instead.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
They moved up instead. And then not only they trade
up for Peers, but I don't know what the trade was.
It wasn't super significant. But then they traded up for Watts,
the safety, who again, on paper, it looks like you
got too talented at rushers, Your pair him with Baits
and looks like you got a really nice pair of
safeties and your defense takes step forward. That's great, but
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is that enough to put you over with a rookie
quarterback more or less?
Speaker 2 (14:20):
I mean, what were they an eight win team last year?
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Sounds about right. They're picking fifteen, sixteen, whatever, you know, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Mean I by the looks of it, they win at
least eight games again. And if that's the case, if
the Rams get the fifteenth pick in a draft next year,
they really made out on this. But it is Yeah again,
if it's if it's eighteen or twenty or somewhere in
that range.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
You could be in Draft Noma. You could be outside
those first round guys. Yeah, you know, you could have
two picks. There's fifteen first rounders and you're picking.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
They might have to move, They might have to move
twice to get up, but they might have to what was.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
It the forty Eagles did that one time?
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Make the trade to eleven and then you trade next
year's picking eleven to get up.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
I remember the Eagles did it for Wentz. They did
it well before the draft, and then they traded up
again to get the two.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Yeah, you know, which is possible.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Which is possible? Yeah, you can you know, put these
things together.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
But you know, I just assuming they're gonna again. All
these early mock drafts that we're seeing have the Rams
trading up into the top three.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
That hard to do.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
It can be hard to do.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Yeah, I mean I don't think either one of those
teams is going to be earn a top ten spot, right,
I mean Atlanta got better, yeah for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
And it's a bad division, like the Saints are awful.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Yeah, Carolina's still pretty bad, pretty bad. Yeah, Tampa should
run away with Yeah, but they could be the seven
seed in the playoffs. Yeah, I mean that's not crazy.
Looks like he belongs, you know. I do kind of
get b John you still. I mean, if these guys
should be decent, one of these two pass rushers should
help their pass rush.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
I mean, it's been so miserable for two decades. I
understand why they did it, and I'm sure the ownership
was like I'm tired of talking about pass rush, Go
do something about it, you know. And it seems like
analysts are killing the Falcons. And I'm definitely on the
other side of the trade too, but I kind of
get it too. I mean, like the defense needed it bad.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Yeah, you know, and Raheem Morris is a defensive coach. Yeah, yeah,
all right, I gotta have some tools or and I
think these guys are on the hot seat.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
So those are the three trades that were made. Oh
there was one more. Actually, you saw the Eagles and
Chiefs oh right, right, flop spots for that move. The
Eagles got Kansas City's chief pick, which they used on
g Hud Campbell. The Chiefs got the thirty second pick,
which they used on Josh Simmons, and Pick one sixty four,
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which they then traded to the Steelers for yeah yeah black.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Oh wow, Okay, I end up being the while you're
black pick. Okay. I always wonder how those trade talks go,
Like I want to flip spots with you. Some there
must be Howie Roseman must have some intel that somebody's trying.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Somebody else is trying to get into that spot, right, And.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
The Chiefs tell them like, yeah, we're trying to get
in the spot. Give us a fourth and we'll be fine,
or it just don't take our left tackle. Yeah. I
don't know. I don't know how much transparency there is.
Gotta be some trust there, yeah right right, but I
don't know. I'll flip spats, are you if you don't
take my guy? Right? You know? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:15):
So those are the trades, and obviously that one was.
You know, you get a weird one, you got a fifth.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Round pick, right, and the Chiefs were gonna take Simmons
at twenty thirty one. I'm sure, Yeah, they're not taking Campbell.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
But yeah, you know, I think it kind of gives
you an idea. If the Steelers do want to move
up next year. Let's say they're picking nineteenth or something
like that, twentieth somewhere twentieth like they are.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
They were twenty two years ago, or they're twenty one
this year.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
It's going to be awfully difficult for them to get
into the top five no matter what. You might have
to make two moves to do that, but you can
get into the top ten.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Right, there's four or five quarterbacks you like, like last year,
and even minus two or three of them, you could
get up to McCarthy. Yeah, you could get up. I mean,
top three was tough, but they always going to go
top three.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Probably not now if you want to make I don't
even I don't know that they would be able to
make two moves to get up there.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Who knows. Yeah, you'd have to get up a ton.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
You have to give up a ton. So I'm assuming
first move up if you went from let's say you
go from twenty to eleven, might cost your first round
draft pick next year.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Yeah. Oh, I'm almost thinking unless there's a disastrous season,
which never happens, the twenty twenty seven first isn't going
to be owned by the Steelers. Yeah, and you hope
you've played the comp games well, or maybe you trade
some of those compicts is to get ahead of next year,
maybe end up with two twos in twenty twenty seven whatever,
you know? Cool, you know, but I kind of think
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your quarterback's going to cost you to first next year's first,
and the first after that and then from there.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Which is why you have to be damn sure about it, right,
If you're giving up two first round draft picks for
a player, you better be sure he's going to hit.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
But I definitely I also think it's the right move. Yeah,
I mean, I don't know who the guy you identify.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
You're not going to get the number one guy. You're
probably not going to get the number two guys, but
you might get your number two guys. You might get
your number two, You might get there. I mean, Josh
Allen wasn't the first quarterback selected in that year?
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Absolutely, right, right, So yeah, I mean, but as long
as there's enough true first round quarterbacks available, that's step one.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
You needed to be four or five yeah, yeah, yeah,
and then you need.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
A little bit of luck.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
I mean, even in two thousand and four there were
three and you need a little bit of luck to
get Ben Roethlisberger. Yeah, it's funny if you needed the
Browns to be the Browns.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Back to the conversation I had earlier, they're the over
under wind totals came out today post draft, but you're
basically the way they're going to stay. I'm sure Rogers
could change things. But there's four teams that are projected
to have five and a half wins. It's there over under,
and there's three teams with six and a half wins,
and those are the worst. There's none, there's there's like
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four and whatnot, and most of them would probably take
a quarterback if they ended up at first. You know,
if things go disastrously, it's a Jets, it's a giant Tennessee,
you know, I mean New Orleans. I mean, if they
end up with the first pick, things didn't go well,
they probably would take one.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Let's get to a break, maybe we'll talk a little
bit about those over under totals when we come back.
He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly. You're listening
to the Drive here on the Steelers Audio Network. Matt
and I'll be back with more right after this.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson
on your twenty four to seven home of the Black
and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
And welcome back. I am Dale Lolly. He is the
Matt Williamson and Matt I mentioned. Well, we've got over
unders here now that the draft is completed here, so
let's roll through these here. I'm looking at the bet
MGM's over under totals for each team. They're in alphabetic order.
The Arizona Cardinals over unders eight and a half you
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get plus one hundred and over eight minus one twenty
at under eight and a half.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Defense got a lot better. I like coaching staff. I
probably lean towards over, but I mean it's not a
strong fielding.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
You remember is that they I believe the NFC West
teams this year matchup against the AFC South and the
NFC South.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Well along those uns. I was just double checking because
I mentioned Warren Sharp takes these and turns them into
strength of schedule too. The Niners have by far the
easiest schedule in the league, which makes me think that
whole division probably has it pretty good.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
They've got it pretty good. They're playing they're yeah, yeah, Okay,
the Falcons we just talked about. Over seven and a
half is minus one forty five, so people are hammering
the over on that.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
It does seem low.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Under is plus one twenty on under seven and a half.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
So I used to pay a lot of attention to these,
and I still do. But the uh, there used to
be sums that weren't halfs Yeah, I mean like you
could push or it was a lot easier then. It's like,
if it was eight, it was like, what's the chance?
I could see nine wins much easier, and I can
see seven wins. But now that all of them are half,
I can't believe it took Vegas that long. Yeah, I
don't think over. I mean I worry them. I have
(22:23):
too many overs because it's just the most optimistic time
of the year. Is only bad stuff's going to happen,
as we always say, you know, uh, but if they
don't get over, do you think they're in trouble. Yeah, yeah,
which is why you're trading at least, right right, right.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
The Ravens are eleven and a half minus one fifteen
to go over that, minus one oh five to go
under that.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Big number, I'd probably go under. I'd probably go under. Yeah,
I mean, division's tough.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Eleven games, eleven games, eleven wins is a lot twelve
to win. Yeah, yeah, right right. The Bills are also
eleven and a half. Now, well, the caveat here is
that the Bills division easier, got a lot easier, got
a lot easier. Yeah, but they're minus one fifty to
over plus one twenty five to go under that eleven
and a half.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
I lean towards unders on all those teams.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
People are hammer neighborhood over on the.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Bills, optimistic fan base. They signed Elijah More today, By
the way, we talked about that with a weird UFA thing.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
The Panthers over under six and a half minus one
fifteen over that minus one fifteen under that. Nobody cares
about the.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Panthers, Nobody cares if nobody's betting, nobody's bet now'd probably
lean towards under. But they're one of those teams that
are six and a half or five and a half. Yeah,
the worst.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
The Bears are eight and a half. It's plus one
ten to the over, minus one thirty five to the under.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
We a little too optimistic with them always, I always right.
I mean it's good fan base. I'm sure that that's
mostly tough division, really tough division. I know he's now
in his second year, but I love betting against rookie
coach rookie quarterback combination.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Like two and four in the division.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Oh, you'd probably take that. I mean three and three, you'd.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Take it absolutely two, right, right, it could easily be
one and five.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Yeah, that's a great way of looking at it too.
Iway wass think that way first, Like how many getting
into the division? Okay, if you can get three, all right,
well that's part of the way there. But it's not
that much help, you know.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Yeah. The Bengals over under is nine and a half.
It's minus one fifty to the over, plus one twenty
five to the under. They had some bad luck last year,
but they've also won nine games in each of the
last two years, have they? There have been nine and
nine and eight the last two years.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
I thought they were well below that last year. Okay,
I would go under because I don't think there's enough change.
I what's what's so much different? Yeah right, I hear you.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
The Browns over under they're low. Yeah, four and a half.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Oh wow, that's different than the one I saw.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Minus one sixty five to the over plus one forty
must be the lowest.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Yeah, because I didn't see any that were under one
and a half. Ohoh, must have been bet heavy from
five and a half down to four and a half.
That's all.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
It looks like people are betting now, betting the over
on that.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Makes they must sit the under heavy at five and
a half. Yeah, they're terrible.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
The Cowboys seven and a half minus one twenty to
the over plus one hundred to the under.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
They're really short on playmakers and the line and Dak
can make up for it. But man, who's carrying the
ball and who's catching the ball Williams? I think Williams
is probably lead back.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Yeah, Denver nine and a half plus one oh five
to the over, minus one twenty five to the under.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Pretty tough division.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Plexiclass theory there, and say how much faith do we
have in Knicks to really be a ten double digit win?
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Type guy. I'd probably go under.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Detroit over ten and a half minus one oh five
to the over, minus one fifteen to the under.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Now that that number would be bigger, and I was
going to go under ten and a half seen half.
That division is rough. It's rough, but I mean I
no one's gonna go six and oh in that division.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
The Packers are nine and a half minus one ten
to the over, minus one ten to the under.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
I would lean towards the over. I think I think
he's a solid.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Coach, going to keep the playmakers healthy.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
It's a problem.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Houston over unders nine and a half plus one ten
to the over, minus one thirty to the under.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
It might be mine of my favorites is getting bet.
I think i'd hit the over. I think that that
division is pretty bad. I could see five wins in
the division.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Well, the Colts and Jaguars are up next year, So
the Colts are over seven and a or they're seven
and a half is the number minus one ten to
the over, minus one ten to the under.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Could his seat be hot if they go noticeably under
with bad quarterbacks and May?
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Yeah, I mean everyone's good, even what was the Jags
haven't gotten oh, okay, I think you said in both.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Actually, yeah, teams on here, I'd.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Probably go Colt number is pretty good. They're always hovering
around there.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Jacksonville is also seven and a half. It's minus one
twenty to the over, so that's getting bet plus one
hundred to the under.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
I'm a Lawrence believer, but I think that's more likely
to get seven wins in eighth. Those are both good numbers. Yeah,
this game is tough.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Kansas City eleven and a half plus one hundred to
the over, minus one twenty to the under.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Oh, I assume they play the Ravens and bill I
mean they're all first placed team things last y right,
and the division's hard. I'd probably go under. I have
a hard time going the big numbers. Going over.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
It's tough, Yeah, because one injury quarterbacks you're done.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
If it's two weeks, you lose. Mahme, Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
The Raiders six and a half.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
I'm a little shocked they were lumped with the real
bad team.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Minus one fifty to the over, so apparently all the
betters are as well. Yeah, plus one twenty five to
the under. They get a coach a quarter I would
lean towards the over. Yeah, like Jenny too, Yeah right, right,
should have an offense now, offensive identity.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
The offense might be quite good.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
The Chargers, this might be the only flying The ointment
is that the division is also just tough.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Right, they're definitely fourth in the division.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Yeah, Chargers is nine and a half minus one ten
to the over, minus one ten to the under.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
I don't like betting against that coach quarterback combination, but
I don't think they've gotten better. I don't like their
offseason much at all. They had a ton of cap space,
so they didn't do that much with it.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
The Rams is nine and a half minus one fifty
to the over, plus one twenty five to the under.
This goes to what we were talking about schedule.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
I think i'd go over. Yeah, I think they're clearly
the best team in that diviate.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
So that that second first round pick that they're going
to have is going to be.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Twenty five Yeah, right, right, thirty two? Who knows?
Speaker 2 (28:51):
The Dolphins eight and a half plus one twenty five
to the over, minus one fifty to the under. Everybody's
going a yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
And they should. I bet that moved even seven and
a half. Yeah, that's rough.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
I don't know that he's a good head coach.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
I'm not sure either.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
I think he's a heck of an offensive coordinator, right,
he could scheme the hell of an offense, but I
don't know if the everyday I.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Don't know how much team building falls on him. But
I don't like the team.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
There's a reason all these defensive players went out of there.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And if anything, they're gonna lose Ramsey,
they might lose Tyreek.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
You know, the Vikings eight and a half, minus one
fifty five to the over, plus one thirty to the under,
So people were hammering the over.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Sad lean towards the over. I mean, I didn't have
a lot of faith in Darnold at this point last
year either. It is a young quarterback that hasn't played
getting tough division. Yeah yeah, I guess they think they're
gonna be third in the division. The Patriots, they must
be high because they weren't on the five or a
half or six and a.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Half, seven and a half clear and it's minus won
forty five to the over and plus one twenty to
the under, so people are hammering over seven and a half.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
I'm going under that now.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
I understand they might be the second best team in
that division.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Maybe maybe I have to the sist in second right,
and Vrabel's great, but they just don't have that many
good players, right, I mean, it's still a year away
from b two year away.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Are they going to go better than three and three
in the division?
Speaker 3 (30:21):
No, I mean I think they're zer and two against
the Bills and they get one other or whatever. You know, Yeah,
that's one of my favorite ones so far, and especially
if it's paying off.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Is plus one twenty to the under the Saints six
six and a half. I'm still going under plus one
twenty to the over, minus one forty five to the under.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Yeah, I wonder if they fall to five five.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
And a half two the Giants is five and a half,
I'm going over that.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
They've a d line.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Plus one twenty five to the over, minus one fifty
to the under. People are hammering the under on that.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
I mean, I think everyone thinks they're terrible when I
get that, and they're on the hot seat. But Wilson
can win them games, win sink and win them games.
You know.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Yeah, you're getting getting to win six games.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Right right? Like I like their quarterback room more than
the Browns or the Saints. Yeah, to win this year,
maybe more than the Titans, you know, just to win
this year.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
The Jets five and a half. They're bad minus one
fifty five to the over, so people are hammering the
over on that.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
That's kind of like the over though, just because of division.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Plus one thirty to the under.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
They can win two in the division. It's a pretty
good start.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
The Eagles eleven and a half minus one eighteen to
the over, minus one oh two to the under.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
There must not be any twelve and a half. Then
I thought they m must not be in half, which
I was gonna go under. I'd probably go over eleven.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
And a half. We'll skip over the Steelers for now.
Sam from Cisco ten and a half plus one ten
to the over, minus one thirty to the under.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
I mentioned they have the easiest schedule in the league.
I should have said before the Giants have the hardest
and the Browns of the second hardest, which gives them
another chance of getting first overall, I don't know. I'm
about to go under on the Niners. I still think
there's a lot of holes.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
All those I mean a lot of their stars are
guys who get hurt a lot.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Yeah, Kittle, Williams, McCaffrey. They're old, they're old, a little brittle,
and it'll be a few more quarterback reliant.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Now, the Seahawks seven and a half minus one twenty
five to the over, plus one oh five to.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
The under, good defense, I'd probably go over. You said
they play with both souths, which is interesting, you know, helpful.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Are they the worst team in that division, because according
to this they are.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
That's a close one. I think of.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Arizona and it was it eight and a half with
the Niners. The Niners are actually.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
The favorite, I more so than the Rams.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Rams were nine and a half, Niners were ten and
a half.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Rams are clearly number one. The other three are about
the same to me. Yeah, but perception is different.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Tampa Bay over nine and a half or over the
numbers nine and a half plus one fifteen to the over,
minus one forty to the under. A lot of people
picking the under.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
I would go over. I think they'd win at least
four in the division, maybe six.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
I mean split the difference, it's five.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Start right, I mean they're probably it's totally different odds.
But if you look at what's it paid to win
the division. I would think besides the Bills, they might
be the most easy favorite for me.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
You know, Tennessee five and a half minus one fifty
five to the over, plus one thirty to the under.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Probably go under. It's good, Yeah, I mean it's not bad. Right,
it's a tough one.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
The Commanders. I'm going under nine and a half.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
Oh. I thought it'd be ten and a half for sure.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Minus one twenty to the over plus one hundred to
the under.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
They screamed PLEXI last principle to me, But I thought
that number would be higher. Maybe got bet down. I'll
still go under.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
The Steelers eight and a half plus one hundred to
the over, minus one twenty to the under.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
If they signed Aaron Rodgers today, do you think it
goes to nine and a half. Yeah, because I think
at the odds, I think they like crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I don't think they're gonna go roll with the quarterbacks
they have, you know, even if it's Cousins. Yeah, I
think the odds change that day. I would go over.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
I would go over as well. Yeah, we just went through.
When we went through Mike Clay's fantasy forecast, will we
come up with twelve games where they were either favored.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Or it was a split where it was fifty to fifty.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Yeah, yeah, tells me more. They're gonna get more than
eight and a half.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
And that, well Toman loses games you shouldn't. Well, he
wins games. He should do.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Everybody.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Everybody does, that's why they play.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
He actually wins more games that he's not supposed to
win than he loses games that.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
He's right right right, Yeah, Like I'm I'd have to
go back and remember the Clay thing, but I'm sure
they were dogs against the Ravens twice and at least
the Bengals once.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
I know I can remember. I think it was at
the end of.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
I think a Brown's almost fifty fifty.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
It was the end of the twenty twenty three season,
and I saw the stat out there that as an underdog,
straight underdog, he had a winning record.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
That's great.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
He was like seven or eight games over five hundred.
No other head coach and Belichick was still coaching. Yeah,
no other head coach was above five hundred. Wow as
an underdog.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Wow, that's crazy. Wins those games, yeah, plus primetime games.
We've seen the schedule yet, I'm that's true for all.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Team, and we'll see that in a couple of weeks,
but we do know ones overseas. But you know, yeah,
so interesting. Yeah yeah, but I would go over eight
to half. I would do even even if it's Mason Rudolph.
I'm going over eight and a half.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Yeah, I think so, because they'll find ways to win games.
And it probably went't four in the division, pretty good
start at least three. Yeah, I like three as a minimum. Yeah,
you know, I don't want to play Thursday night in Cleveland. No,
I hope that doesn't happen.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
But thankfully they don't ask us to play Thursday. I
just have to attend. Yeah, really really bad.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
That's a great.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Anyways, he is the Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lully.
Those are the NFL over unders. At this point, we'll
circle back around on yeah, yeah, as we get closer
to training camp.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
But that was It's interesting. It is the book and
see the perception out there, but there's no Vegas knows
stuff sometimes. Yeah, sometimes I don't know if they do.
I mean, but I think there's mighty to be made
that spots do if you're smarter about it. Anyways, we're
gonna get to a break. We'll be back with more
on the drive right after this.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
At least he's the drive with Dale Lolly and Matt
Williamson on your twenty four to seven Home of the
Black and Gold in Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
And we are back. I'm Dale Lolly, he is the
Matt Williamson and we were looking at those over unders
for the teams here Matt looking at the same website
here at bet MGM looking at the Super Bowl odds. Okay,
to win it or go to win it? Okay, The
Eagles are plus six fifty. The Ravens are plus seven hundred.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
I'm a little shock there too.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
I am too. Yeah, the Bills are plus seven fifty.
The Chiefs are plus seven fifty.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
I think the Bills chance better than the Chiefs or
Ravens to get the number one seed in the AFC.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
The Lions are plus nine hundred. I guess they should
be second in the NFC. The Bengals are then next
at plus eighteen hundred.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
That doesn't smell like the others, No, I mean, the
quarterback thing is great, but then they're not as nearly
as good a team other than that than any of
the teams imagined.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
They have the same odds as the forty nine Ers
and Commanders.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
I wouldn't bet on any of them at that price.
I mean the payoffs not good enough. They should all
be lower.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Right after them are the Rams at plus two thousand.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
I like the Rams better than all those teams.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
You've got two teams at plus twenty five hundred, the
Packers and the Chargers.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
Packers I think should be in that neighbor.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
They don't trust Chargers.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
No, they had a lot of roster holes.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
I don't trust this next team you get, well, we
got three teams, four teams at plus thirty five hundred.
Listen to this group. The Bears, I mean it pays well.
The Texans.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
I think they're better than some of the teams we mentioned.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
The Vikings.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
Maybe the one that I would the Bears don't belong
with those other two.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
I wonder that would take a flyer on. Here is
the Buccaneers at plus thirty five.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
That's not bad. They've been close the playoff experience, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Then you have the Broncos at plus four thousand.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
Getting the teams now where you really gotta squint from
to win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
The Dolphins and the Steelers at plus five thousand.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
Can you I don't know anything about stocks, but can't
you bet on stocks to go backwards? Like? Can I
not bet on the Dolphins? You know what I mean?
Like I want to do the negative against I don't
bet against it, right, I know wouldn't pay as well,
but there's no way it's gonna pay that.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
Yeah, they're not going uh at plus sixty six hundred.
Are three teams, the Cowboys, Patriots, and Seahawks.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
The world's pretty high on the Pats. I don't get it.
They're not as good as those two teams.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
It's rabel trust.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it's a good start. They just
don't make the players.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
The Cardinals are plus eight thousand.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Was a better chance than the Patriots.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
The Cardinals are plus eight thousand on this, but they're
over runners eight and a half.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
Yeah, it's all about the betting. Who's putting their money places? Right?
Speaker 2 (40:09):
The Falcons are plus eighty've never won the Super Bowl? Right? Yeah?
The Falcons are plus eight thousand.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
Panics have to be a monster.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
The Colts and Jaguars are both plus ten thousand.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Could you write a picture that the Jags turn things around?
And Lawrence's MVP or no, you know Richardson's average?
Speaker 2 (40:29):
You know, No, Yeah, the Raiders plus twelve fifty or
twelve five, I should say.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
I mean, I don't know that any of these teams
have a shot at this point. But I didn't think
the Commanders had a shot a year ago. They made
a final four Texans a year before that.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
The Panthers are plus fifteen thousand.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
What's amazing, though, is one of these teams that were
just mentioned right around here is going to be It's
gonna win ten or more.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
The Jets are plus fifteen thousand. The Saints are plus
seventeen to five. Wow, the Browns, Titans, and Giants are
Actually the Browns and Titans are both plus twenty thousand,
and the Giants are plus twenty five thousand. Why they're
the other The Giants are being way undersold here.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
Yeah, I'm not putting any money und to win the superow.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Now, you said their schedule is the toughest last, but
the Browns are thirty five a better football team than those.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
Yeah, they're like five or six teams ahead of them.
I think Dave Ball might be a decent coach too.
I mean, they're not perfect by any means, but I
wouldn't put them thirty second in the power ranks. No,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
I mean, just look at the quarterback play right right right,
at least they got Giants versus the Titans. I'll take
the Giants, yeah, for today the game right now, right,
Giants versus the Browns. I'll take the Giants, Giants versus
the Saints. I'll take the Giants, Giants versus the Jets.
I'll take the Giants, Giants versus the Panthers. Now we're getting.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
Into that's a conversation.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
I would probably still take the Giants.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
Because they got three guys, right, you know, right, and
you've got a couple of bites at it. If it
doesn't work out.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
We don't get the Giants. Raiders.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
Now we're I would take Gino over all those.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
Now we're into that conversation. Yeah, the Raiders are plus
twelve twelve five. They're even close, not even closer to
win totals.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
Yeah, super Bow odds are weird to me though, like
so many of those teams.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
I mean, the Giants, the Giants aren't a good bet.
They're not going to win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
Most of them is just flushing money either way. I
mean it's just yeah, it could pay off huge, but
it's the chance I'm winning the Super Bowls pretty tight.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
Yeah, interesting, Bucks are one of my favorite. Yeah, Bucks
aren't bad.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
There's another one. I kind of like, Yeah, Bucks came
to mind. I like that one.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
It could happen, could happen, and we could both be
scooped up by aliens.
Speaker 3 (42:50):
Right. But I think we talked about this yesterday, Like,
if you gave me the Eagles and Chiefs or the field,
I'll take the field, right. I mean, there's there's still
a lot of change.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
If I gave you the top four favorites on here, Eagles, Ravens, Bills, Chiefs,
it would probably be about plus let's say plus one
fifty to plus two.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
Have you parlayed those all four together?
Speaker 2 (43:13):
What's it if you parlayed them?
Speaker 3 (43:15):
Yeah, well you wouldn't win them all. I guess I
would take those four.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
I might still take one of these other like the Lions, Lions,
there's some other teams in the I could see winning
winning the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
I could too. I don't know those four light years
better than everybody else, but I like their playoff experience.
Like the Bengals. Don't scare me, but I bet one
of those four teams win it. I would take those four,
but if you gave me only three of them, I wouldn't.
It's close. Yeah, there's some from nowhere.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
In the cases of the Ravens and Bills. Yes, they've
got playoff experience. Much of it's bad.
Speaker 3 (43:53):
Yeah right, right right, like Bucks are getting playoff experience.
Rams have a lot of playoffs. Yeah. Still it hasn't
been good yea.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
Yeah, same thing.
Speaker 3 (44:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
Anyways, let's get to a break. That's going to do
it for our number one of the drive here on
the Steelers Audio Network. Matt and I will be back
with our number two right after this
He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on
your twenty four to seven home of the Black and
Gold Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
And welcome to the Drive. I am Dale LOLLI he
is the Matt Williamson and it's a we're a week
out from the draft, Yeah we are.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Huh. The first night of the draft night was one
week ago.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Yeah, so I wanted to go back today, Matt and
take a look at we had three trades I believe
it was three trades of four trades actually in the
first round of this year's draft.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
And everybody started all thirty two had their first first
That won't be the case next year, no, So.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I wanted to look at the cost of what it
was to move up or down, and then what those
teams acquired in those deals, because obviously next year the
Steelers could be in that market.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Oh, that's absolutely possibility of the plan. The plan, right,
I think it's pretty clear that they're going to be
one of the most active quarterback searching first round teams
most likely.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
As an aside did that, I've seen a couple of
the twenty six mock drafts.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Yeah, I've been kind of hitting them too.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
And I've looked at them, and the last couple that
I've seen haven't had the Steelers taking a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
I don't even look what team they put the players.
I just want to learn about the players. And boy,
there's a lot of tackles, there's a lot of Yeah,
it does seem like it's good in d line. People
seem pretty encouraged by the quarterback class. But we'll see, yeah,
instead of playing.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
But the last two that I've seen haven't had the
Steelers taking a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Most I've seen have not as well.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
What are we talking about?
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Right? Right? Right?
Speaker 2 (01:39):
You get the Rams trading up for a quarterback, you know,
the Steelers trading up for a quarter Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
I don't think people put a lot of time into
the team needs at the moment.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
We'll just getting the right were all talking about that
as a team need going into this draft?
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Right?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
What's changing?
Speaker 3 (01:53):
And Everie Rodgers is going to get a year older
in every article you see of biggest holes remaining Steeler
quarterback you know which I get, but it's it won't
be for long anyways.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
So the first trade of the night was Jacksonville moving
up to number two with Cleveland moving back to number five,
So the Jaguars got number two pick, which they used
on Travis Hunter. They got a twenty twenty five fourth
round pick which was oneh four, which they used to
take bays Sheelle.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Touton, and then they definitely a faster on offense.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
They took a They got a twenty twenty five sixth
round pick which was number two hundred, which they used
on safety Ray and Lane. Okay, the Browns got the
fifth over kid yeah, I think so. Yeah, yeah, the
Browns got the fifth overall pick, which they used on
Mason Graham. They got the second round pick from the Jaguars,
which they used on Quinn Shawn Judkins. They also got
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the twenty twenty five fourth round pick from the Jaguars
that they used on Dylan Sampson, and next year's first
round pick from the Jaguars.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Which is huge. So when that happened, I thought, that's
a haul for the Browns. I mean, that is a
really good haul. I don't like what they did with it, no,
but they do have two first round picks.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
That was like, once they made that move back to five,
they should have traded back again.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Oh. I think four and five was no man's land.
That's what I was gonna say, is most of these trades,
if we look in NFL history, someone goes from five
to two, it's for Carson Wentz or Drake may or
you know whatever I mean, it's a quarterback. Of course,
in this case, I think it was a double edged sword.
Which is why they got as much as they did.
Was let me get out of no man's land at five,
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because do I want from the Jags? Do I want Graham?
And do I want Membo? He was even talking tech
mc millan and gent you know, but like not exactly
what I'm after. With the top five pick, and I
get to the sweet spot of I probably get the
best player. I get what I think is the best
player in this draft.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
I would have immediately been on the phone with say.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
The Bears, the genty team. Yeah yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Say, hey, if you want to get up here to five,
because we know the Raiders are, everybody's linked them to genty,
you wind up coming to Freus. You want genty? Yeah yeah, yeah,
And it wouldn't even have had to have been I
don't need.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
To get you might still get Graham at ten.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
That's the thing, right, You don't need to get a
huge haul to go back from five to ten.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
If you could get a second, that'd be great, but
maybe a future second or you know, or I don't need.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
A time because I already got my haull. I already
got a whole bunch of picks here. Yeah, premium picks
from the from Jacksonville. I'm sure I don't know the
draft chart off the top of my head. I mean
the Jimmy Johnson charts or whatever. And that doesn't even matter.
It's different for us. What was my point is, it's
different for every year. But anyway, if by chance they
turned a dollar into a buck twenty that fifth pick,
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I would have taken ninety cents on to go to ten. Yeah,
because I'm still going to get somebody goes to your point.
They still might have gotten Mason Graham, Yeah, ten.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Right, right, or they could have got a better pick
and got like Banks. Yeah, I would have taken offensive lineman.
It's my point, not the ranks is a great prospect,
but them not getting an offensive linement makes my brain crazy.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
But anyway, so they traded back. They traded away from
Travis Hunter for two running backs in a defensive tackle. Now,
they did also get the first round pick next.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Absolutely, that might be wonderful. And I always hate saying,
you know, like, well history shows that they're terrible at this.
But history shows they're terrible at this. You know, like
it's different people, but it is the same building. I
worked there. You know that they've traded down a lot
or had a lot of drafts in their history with
a lot of high picks. Brandon Weeden, I remember having
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that terrible with it, especially quarterback.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
I was on with David Todd ten years ago. Yeah, yeah,
and he was talking about that. I really like what
the Browns did, trading back and getting all these future picks.
I'm like, yeah, they've done that like three years in
a row. At some points you have to use the picks.
They were moneyball teams.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Then, you know, like we're just gonna keep trading back
because logically it does make more sense to trade back
than up. But you got to hit That doesn't mean
you're a good scouting.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
At some point you have to use the picks. Yeah,
they kept trading every year they would they'd trade for
these picks and then trade them away the next year.
Like at some point make the pick.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Yeah yeah, I mean really since they've been back in
the league. There's no doubt in my mind, they've had
the most multiple seasons with multiple first round picks.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
But that was one year they three That was a
good haul. So they got a first.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
On paper, it's a good trade.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Yeah, first fourth and next year's first for a first,
a fourth and a sixth. Yeah, they moved three three.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
I didn't realize the four and the six and that stuff.
So at least there's a little something, little sugar back.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Yeah, but you know they got they got it. They
moved down three spots for a fourth. I get it.
But then you took what you took in this particular draft,
picking thirty six in one twenty six. And if you
look at the draft at thirty six, the next pick
at thirty seven was Jonah Savonia. Yeah, could have used him,
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Oh you could have used him. Who else was it?
Arianta Urser went at forty eight.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
I mean, linman were flying off the board, but you
can't not come out up without at least one premium lineman.
So two things I wouldn't want to mention that I
want to get back to this trade thing for sure
is when they took Graham round one ends we don't
know what they're going to do with the rest of
their picks, but they got a bunch. They're on the clock.
It's Thursday. I mean, they can do whatever they want.
They got this future first, what a haul. Great. I'm
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thinking what I would do and what I assume they're
going to do is they're gonna draft linemen like crazy.
They got Graham, maybe they'll get an edge rusher. Now
in a deep edge class. Everyone's talking about what would
Carter and Garrett look like together? Boy, that'd be scary.
While there's still a ton of edges out there. There's
Mike Green, there's a Rique. I mean, there's tons of
those dudes. They don't get either.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
As a recu Whent at forty four.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Yeah, I mean, if they were taking him in the
first pick a round two, I've been like, that makes sense.
You didn't get Abdil Carter, but you got a ninety
percent version of him, and you put him next to
Garrett and he's had singles his whole life. It's pretty good.
So they up with no old lineman and no edge
rushers with all those premium picks. Yeah, that makes me insane. Right,
two quarterbacks to running backs?
Speaker 2 (08:07):
What do you address the needs? Ye know, yeah, right
and right is redundant.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Yeah, you got a backup tight end. It makes me crazy.
And they're getting to the team getting all the a's
and a pluses from these draftnicks. Yeah, because I guess
because they got your door. But they made a lot
of picks of people that people know. Yeah, you know,
Judkins and Samson.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
But when you look at the collective, it's like, yeah, big.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Jonah from Arizona would have made more sense. You know.
So he's not flashy, but he would have been a
starter for them, probably for eight years.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Okay, so the Yeah, the Giants made the deal with
the Texans to go from thirty four to twenty five
thirty Okay, this is kind of what we talked about.
If the Steelers had traded back, you weren't going to
get a two to do that, right, right, right, right,
So they go back to thirty four, They get the
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twenty twenty five second round pick, they got a twenty
twenty five third round pick, which was ninety nine mm,
and they got a twenty twenty six third round pick.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Which for the Giants I think is a great move.
Like I'm not pick on Dart, but if they love Dart.
They apparently loved Dart. Whatever, that's not that bad.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Of all, the team drafted Forest Lamp a couple of years.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
But that's not that bad. Yeah, if you got a
future quarterback, that's a worth of bite in the apple.
And we were talking about this too, like one of
our male bad questions was what if the Giants are
Titans get the first pick of the draft next year,
would they go quarterback? I don't think the Titans would,
but the Giants might. That's not even that much of
an investment, you know, like if Andrew lux coming out,
you take Andrew.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
They didn't trade a future first to get to right, right, right,
They traded a future third to do this.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Which is sort of costly, but you're not married to
him to no, especially if you do get the first
pick of the draft, probably everyone's getting fired and they
the new guys might not like Dart anyways, right, which
is probably how it goes.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
So it ended up being Jackson Dart. The Texans drafted
Jayden Higgins at pick thirty four.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Oh that was the Houston I was thinking. The Rams
made the deal. The Rams made the edge deal.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
The Texans traded away the ninety ninth pick to the Raiders,
who took Charles Grant. Okay, and they've got next year's third.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
It's not apples to apples comparison. Obviously these teams didn't
make the same picks. But if I'm the Texans, I'd
much have Charles Grant and Higgins than Dart or if
I'm on any team. Yeah, I mean, obviously every team's
needs are different, but you know what I mean, Like,
those are better prospects combined to me than Dart, you know.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
But meanwhile, Atlanta spends a lot more or gives up
a lot more for an edge rusher, not a quarterback
in the same neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Well, though, that was a terrible deal. That's where we're
going to next year. So they trade into the first
round to pick twenty six. They also get picked one
oh one Okay, okay for forty six to forty two
and next year's first.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
The first as a killer, right, I mean two forty
two means nothing in that deal, but right, And that's
a long way for the Rams to wait. They end
up with Terrence Ferguson. Apparently they were trying to get
up for one of the tight ends couldn't hang around.
They take the Plan B tight end.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Yeah, so they don't get much out of this draft,
but they got next year's first. Yeah, the Falcons did
that to come up and get James Pierce. The third
round pick that they got, which was then traded to
the Broncos through the Eagles, was used on Savon Jones. Okay,
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the Rams got Terrence Ferguson, as you said. The seventh
rounder that they got was Kannada Mumpfield, the wide receiver
from Pitt and next year's first.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Next year's first. So the beauty of it all right. Yeah,
so knowing the Rams, they may have a really good
year and trade for Tyreek kill the trade deadline, you
know what I mean, or Pickens or Ramsey year, whoever.
I mean, they could easily do that, or they could
have the Stafford replacement plan very accessible. Like it's real
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easy to say they got two first round picks. They'll
definitely a quarterback. You said. To make it happen, you
got to move up the game.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
I mean, let's let's say, for example, let's say the
Falcons finish eighteenth, which is possible.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Yeah, Like I think they'll be second place in that
division probably Okay, so you get the eighteenth pick of
the rams.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
They win their division, they're picking twenty four.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Yeah, win a playoff game or whatever.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Twenty four and eighteen isn't getting I don't know if
that's getting you all the way up into the top five.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
I would say I doubt think that gets you to five,
right to ten, Yeah, you know, if there's four quarterbacks
in the class or whatever. Yeah, and then you don't
have another first round I mean obviously unless you're also
going to throw in next year's first. Now you're going
to trade three first to move up into the top five. Yeah,
that doesn't well maybe they could, Yeah you could, but
you better be damn sure about that pick. I mean,
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I'm sure falcon everyone's killing the Falcons.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Let's say Stafford says, I'm going to play two more years,
all right. Now, you've just traded the way two years
worth of first round draft picks for guys gonna be
sitting on your bench.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Right or you trade out of the first round again,
you know, and you just keep kicking the can. But
then eventually gotta make the pick. Then mountain picks right
right right, I mean it's.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
A nice thing to have, absolutely, Yeah, and I you know,
I hate what the Falcons did there.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Me too, But I understand Pierce wasn't even on some
teams boards because the character stuff, not that he's like
a criminal, but people just don't want to be around him. Yeah,
because real quick on the Falcons, I thought they got
a gift from the football gods that Walker was there
for their pick. He's a little undersize, which I think
is the only reason he was, But that's a really
good player to sit and pick in the middle of
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the first round, right when edge pass rushes your biggest.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
And everybody been talking about them wanting to move down because.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
They were short on picks, right, that was the other thing.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
They moved up instead.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
They moved up instead. And then not only they trade
up for Peers, but I don't know what the trade was.
It wasn't super significant. But then they traded up for Watts,
the safety, who again, on paper, it looks like you
got too talented at rushers, Your pair him with Baits
and looks like you got a really nice pair of
safeties and your defense takes step forward. That's great, but
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is that enough to put you over with a rookie
quarterback more or less?
Speaker 2 (14:20):
I mean, what were they an eight win team last year?
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Sounds about right. They're picking fifteen, sixteen, whatever, you know, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Mean I by the looks of it, they win at
least eight games again. And if that's the case, if
the Rams get the fifteenth pick in a draft next year,
they really made out on this. But it is Yeah again,
if it's if it's eighteen or twenty or somewhere in
that range.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
You could be in Draft Noma. You could be outside
those first round guys. Yeah, you know, you could have
two picks. There's fifteen first rounders and you're picking.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
They might have to move, They might have to move
twice to get up, but they might have to what was.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
It the forty Eagles did that one time?
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Make the trade to eleven and then you trade next
year's picking eleven to get up.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
I remember the Eagles did it for Wentz. They did
it well before the draft, and then they traded up
again to get the two.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Yeah, you know, which is possible.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Which is possible? Yeah, you can you know, put these
things together.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
But you know, I just assuming they're gonna again. All
these early mock drafts that we're seeing have the Rams
trading up into the top three.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
That hard to do.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
It can be hard to do.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Yeah, I mean I don't think either one of those
teams is going to be earn a top ten spot, right,
I mean Atlanta got better, yeah for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
And it's a bad division, like the Saints are awful.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Yeah, Carolina's still pretty bad, pretty bad. Yeah, Tampa should
run away with Yeah, but they could be the seven
seed in the playoffs. Yeah, I mean that's not crazy.
Looks like he belongs, you know. I do kind of
get b John you still. I mean, if these guys
should be decent, one of these two pass rushers should
help their pass rush.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
I mean, it's been so miserable for two decades. I
understand why they did it, and I'm sure the ownership
was like I'm tired of talking about pass rush, Go
do something about it, you know. And it seems like
analysts are killing the Falcons. And I'm definitely on the
other side of the trade too, but I kind of
get it too. I mean, like the defense needed it bad.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Yeah, you know, and Raheem Morris is a defensive coach. Yeah, yeah,
all right, I gotta have some tools or and I
think these guys are on the hot seat.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
So those are the three trades that were made. Oh
there was one more. Actually, you saw the Eagles and
Chiefs oh right, right, flop spots for that move. The
Eagles got Kansas City's chief pick, which they used on
g Hud Campbell. The Chiefs got the thirty second pick,
which they used on Josh Simmons, and Pick one sixty four,
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which they then traded to the Steelers for yeah yeah black.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Oh wow, Okay, I end up being the while you're
black pick. Okay. I always wonder how those trade talks go,
Like I want to flip spots with you. Some there
must be Howie Roseman must have some intel that somebody's trying.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Somebody else is trying to get into that spot, right, And.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
The Chiefs tell them like, yeah, we're trying to get
in the spot. Give us a fourth and we'll be fine,
or it just don't take our left tackle. Yeah. I
don't know. I don't know how much transparency there is.
Gotta be some trust there, yeah right right, but I
don't know. I'll flip spats, are you if you don't
take my guy? Right? You know? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:15):
So those are the trades, and obviously that one was.
You know, you get a weird one, you got a fifth.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Round pick, right, and the Chiefs were gonna take Simmons
at twenty thirty one. I'm sure, Yeah, they're not taking Campbell.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
But yeah, you know, I think it kind of gives
you an idea. If the Steelers do want to move
up next year. Let's say they're picking nineteenth or something
like that, twentieth somewhere twentieth like they are.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
They were twenty two years ago, or they're twenty one
this year.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
It's going to be awfully difficult for them to get
into the top five no matter what. You might have
to make two moves to do that, but you can
get into the top ten.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Right, there's four or five quarterbacks you like, like last year,
and even minus two or three of them, you could
get up to McCarthy. Yeah, you could get up. I mean,
top three was tough, but they always going to go
top three.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Probably not now if you want to make I don't
even I don't know that they would be able to
make two moves to get up there.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Who knows. Yeah, you'd have to get up a ton.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
You have to give up a ton. So I'm assuming
first move up if you went from let's say you
go from twenty to eleven, might cost your first round
draft pick next year.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Yeah. Oh, I'm almost thinking unless there's a disastrous season,
which never happens, the twenty twenty seven first isn't going
to be owned by the Steelers. Yeah, and you hope
you've played the comp games well, or maybe you trade
some of those compicts is to get ahead of next year,
maybe end up with two twos in twenty twenty seven whatever,
you know? Cool, you know, but I kind of think
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your quarterback's going to cost you to first next year's first,
and the first after that and then from there.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Which is why you have to be damn sure about it, right,
If you're giving up two first round draft picks for
a player, you better be sure he's going to hit.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
But I definitely I also think it's the right move. Yeah,
I mean, I don't know who the guy you identify.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
You're not going to get the number one guy. You're
probably not going to get the number two guys, but
you might get your number two guys. You might get
your number two, You might get there. I mean, Josh
Allen wasn't the first quarterback selected in that year?
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Absolutely, right, right, So yeah, I mean, but as long
as there's enough true first round quarterbacks available, that's step one.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
You needed to be four or five yeah, yeah, yeah,
and then you need.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
A little bit of luck.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
I mean, even in two thousand and four there were
three and you need a little bit of luck to
get Ben Roethlisberger. Yeah, it's funny if you needed the
Browns to be the Browns.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Back to the conversation I had earlier, they're the over
under wind totals came out today post draft, but you're
basically the way they're going to stay. I'm sure Rogers
could change things. But there's four teams that are projected
to have five and a half wins. It's there over under,
and there's three teams with six and a half wins,
and those are the worst. There's none, there's there's like
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four and whatnot, and most of them would probably take
a quarterback if they ended up at first. You know,
if things go disastrously, it's a Jets, it's a giant Tennessee,
you know, I mean New Orleans. I mean, if they
end up with the first pick, things didn't go well,
they probably would take one.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Let's get to a break, maybe we'll talk a little
bit about those over under totals when we come back.
He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly. You're listening
to the Drive here on the Steelers Audio Network. Matt
and I'll be back with more right after this.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson
on your twenty four to seven home of the Black
and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
And welcome back. I am Dale Lolly. He is the
Matt Williamson and Matt I mentioned. Well, we've got over
unders here now that the draft is completed here, so
let's roll through these here. I'm looking at the bet
MGM's over under totals for each team. They're in alphabetic order.
The Arizona Cardinals over unders eight and a half you
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get plus one hundred and over eight minus one twenty
at under eight and a half.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Defense got a lot better. I like coaching staff. I
probably lean towards over, but I mean it's not a
strong fielding.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
You remember is that they I believe the NFC West
teams this year matchup against the AFC South and the
NFC South.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Well along those uns. I was just double checking because
I mentioned Warren Sharp takes these and turns them into
strength of schedule too. The Niners have by far the
easiest schedule in the league, which makes me think that
whole division probably has it pretty good.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
They've got it pretty good. They're playing they're yeah, yeah, Okay,
the Falcons we just talked about. Over seven and a
half is minus one forty five, so people are hammering
the over on that.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
It does seem low.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Under is plus one twenty on under seven and a half.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
So I used to pay a lot of attention to these,
and I still do. But the uh, there used to
be sums that weren't halfs Yeah, I mean like you
could push or it was a lot easier then. It's like,
if it was eight, it was like, what's the chance?
I could see nine wins much easier, and I can
see seven wins. But now that all of them are half,
I can't believe it took Vegas that long. Yeah, I
don't think over. I mean I worry them. I have
(22:23):
too many overs because it's just the most optimistic time
of the year. Is only bad stuff's going to happen,
as we always say, you know, uh, but if they
don't get over, do you think they're in trouble. Yeah, yeah,
which is why you're trading at least, right right, right.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
The Ravens are eleven and a half minus one fifteen
to go over that, minus one oh five to go
under that.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Big number, I'd probably go under. I'd probably go under. Yeah,
I mean, division's tough.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Eleven games, eleven games, eleven wins is a lot twelve
to win. Yeah, yeah, right right. The Bills are also
eleven and a half. Now, well, the caveat here is
that the Bills division easier, got a lot easier, got
a lot easier. Yeah, but they're minus one fifty to
over plus one twenty five to go under that eleven
and a half.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
I lean towards unders on all those teams.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
People are hammer neighborhood over on the.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Bills, optimistic fan base. They signed Elijah More today, By
the way, we talked about that with a weird UFA thing.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
The Panthers over under six and a half minus one
fifteen over that minus one fifteen under that. Nobody cares
about the.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Panthers, Nobody cares if nobody's betting, nobody's bet now'd probably
lean towards under. But they're one of those teams that
are six and a half or five and a half. Yeah,
the worst.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
The Bears are eight and a half. It's plus one
ten to the over, minus one thirty five to the under.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
We a little too optimistic with them always, I always right.
I mean it's good fan base. I'm sure that that's
mostly tough division, really tough division. I know he's now
in his second year, but I love betting against rookie
coach rookie quarterback combination.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Like two and four in the division.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Oh, you'd probably take that. I mean three and three, you'd.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Take it absolutely two, right, right, it could easily be
one and five.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Yeah, that's a great way of looking at it too.
Iway wass think that way first, Like how many getting
into the division? Okay, if you can get three, all right,
well that's part of the way there. But it's not
that much help, you know.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Yeah. The Bengals over under is nine and a half.
It's minus one fifty to the over, plus one twenty
five to the under. They had some bad luck last year,
but they've also won nine games in each of the
last two years, have they? There have been nine and
nine and eight the last two years.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
I thought they were well below that last year. Okay,
I would go under because I don't think there's enough change.
I what's what's so much different? Yeah right, I hear you.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
The Browns over under they're low. Yeah, four and a half.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Oh wow, that's different than the one I saw.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Minus one sixty five to the over plus one forty
must be the lowest.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Yeah, because I didn't see any that were under one
and a half. Ohoh, must have been bet heavy from
five and a half down to four and a half.
That's all.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
It looks like people are betting now, betting the over
on that.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Makes they must sit the under heavy at five and
a half. Yeah, they're terrible.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
The Cowboys seven and a half minus one twenty to
the over plus one hundred to the under.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
They're really short on playmakers and the line and Dak
can make up for it. But man, who's carrying the
ball and who's catching the ball Williams? I think Williams
is probably lead back.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Yeah, Denver nine and a half plus one oh five
to the over, minus one twenty five to the under.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Pretty tough division.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Plexiclass theory there, and say how much faith do we
have in Knicks to really be a ten double digit win?
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Type guy. I'd probably go under.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Detroit over ten and a half minus one oh five
to the over, minus one fifteen to the under.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Now that that number would be bigger, and I was
going to go under ten and a half seen half.
That division is rough. It's rough, but I mean I
no one's gonna go six and oh in that division.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
The Packers are nine and a half minus one ten
to the over, minus one ten to the under.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
I would lean towards the over. I think I think
he's a solid.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Coach, going to keep the playmakers healthy.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
It's a problem.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Houston over unders nine and a half plus one ten
to the over, minus one thirty to the under.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
It might be mine of my favorites is getting bet.
I think i'd hit the over. I think that that
division is pretty bad. I could see five wins in
the division.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Well, the Colts and Jaguars are up next year, So
the Colts are over seven and a or they're seven
and a half is the number minus one ten to
the over, minus one ten to the under.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Could his seat be hot if they go noticeably under
with bad quarterbacks and May?
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Yeah, I mean everyone's good, even what was the Jags
haven't gotten oh, okay, I think you said in both.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Actually, yeah, teams on here, I'd.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Probably go Colt number is pretty good. They're always hovering
around there.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Jacksonville is also seven and a half. It's minus one
twenty to the over, so that's getting bet plus one
hundred to the under.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
I'm a Lawrence believer, but I think that's more likely
to get seven wins in eighth. Those are both good numbers. Yeah,
this game is tough.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Kansas City eleven and a half plus one hundred to
the over, minus one twenty to the under.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Oh, I assume they play the Ravens and bill I
mean they're all first placed team things last y right,
and the division's hard. I'd probably go under. I have
a hard time going the big numbers. Going over.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
It's tough, Yeah, because one injury quarterbacks you're done.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
If it's two weeks, you lose. Mahme, Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
The Raiders six and a half.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
I'm a little shocked they were lumped with the real
bad team.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Minus one fifty to the over, so apparently all the
betters are as well. Yeah, plus one twenty five to
the under. They get a coach a quarter I would
lean towards the over. Yeah, like Jenny too, Yeah right, right,
should have an offense now, offensive identity.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
The offense might be quite good.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
The Chargers, this might be the only flying The ointment
is that the division is also just tough.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Right, they're definitely fourth in the division.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Yeah, Chargers is nine and a half minus one ten
to the over, minus one ten to the under.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
I don't like betting against that coach quarterback combination, but
I don't think they've gotten better. I don't like their
offseason much at all. They had a ton of cap space,
so they didn't do that much with it.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
The Rams is nine and a half minus one fifty
to the over, plus one twenty five to the under.
This goes to what we were talking about schedule.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
I think i'd go over. Yeah, I think they're clearly
the best team in that diviate.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
So that that second first round pick that they're going
to have is going to be.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Twenty five Yeah, right, right, thirty two? Who knows?
Speaker 2 (28:51):
The Dolphins eight and a half plus one twenty five
to the over, minus one fifty to the under. Everybody's
going a yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
And they should. I bet that moved even seven and
a half. Yeah, that's rough.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
I don't know that he's a good head coach.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
I'm not sure either.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
I think he's a heck of an offensive coordinator, right,
he could scheme the hell of an offense, but I
don't know if the everyday I.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Don't know how much team building falls on him. But
I don't like the team.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
There's a reason all these defensive players went out of there.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And if anything, they're gonna lose Ramsey,
they might lose Tyreek.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
You know, the Vikings eight and a half, minus one
fifty five to the over, plus one thirty to the under,
So people were hammering the over.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Sad lean towards the over. I mean, I didn't have
a lot of faith in Darnold at this point last
year either. It is a young quarterback that hasn't played
getting tough division. Yeah yeah, I guess they think they're
gonna be third in the division. The Patriots, they must
be high because they weren't on the five or a
half or six and a.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Half, seven and a half clear and it's minus won
forty five to the over and plus one twenty to
the under, so people are hammering over seven and a half.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
I'm going under that now.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
I understand they might be the second best team in
that division.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Maybe maybe I have to the sist in second right,
and Vrabel's great, but they just don't have that many
good players, right, I mean, it's still a year away
from b two year away.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Are they going to go better than three and three
in the division?
Speaker 3 (30:21):
No, I mean I think they're zer and two against
the Bills and they get one other or whatever. You know, Yeah,
that's one of my favorite ones so far, and especially
if it's paying off.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Is plus one twenty to the under the Saints six
six and a half. I'm still going under plus one
twenty to the over, minus one forty five to the under.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Yeah, I wonder if they fall to five five.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
And a half two the Giants is five and a half,
I'm going over that.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
They've a d line.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Plus one twenty five to the over, minus one fifty
to the under. People are hammering the under on that.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
I mean, I think everyone thinks they're terrible when I
get that, and they're on the hot seat. But Wilson
can win them games, win sink and win them games.
You know.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Yeah, you're getting getting to win six games.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Right right? Like I like their quarterback room more than
the Browns or the Saints. Yeah, to win this year,
maybe more than the Titans, you know, just to win
this year.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
The Jets five and a half. They're bad minus one
fifty five to the over, so people are hammering the
over on that.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
That's kind of like the over though, just because of division.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Plus one thirty to the under.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
They can win two in the division. It's a pretty
good start.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
The Eagles eleven and a half minus one eighteen to
the over, minus one oh two to the under.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
There must not be any twelve and a half. Then
I thought they m must not be in half, which
I was gonna go under. I'd probably go over eleven.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
And a half. We'll skip over the Steelers for now.
Sam from Cisco ten and a half plus one ten
to the over, minus one thirty to the under.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
I mentioned they have the easiest schedule in the league.
I should have said before the Giants have the hardest
and the Browns of the second hardest, which gives them
another chance of getting first overall, I don't know. I'm
about to go under on the Niners. I still think
there's a lot of holes.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
All those I mean a lot of their stars are
guys who get hurt a lot.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Yeah, Kittle, Williams, McCaffrey. They're old, they're old, a little brittle,
and it'll be a few more quarterback reliant.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Now, the Seahawks seven and a half minus one twenty
five to the over, plus one oh five to.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
The under, good defense, I'd probably go over. You said
they play with both souths, which is interesting, you know, helpful.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Are they the worst team in that division, because according
to this they are.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
That's a close one. I think of.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Arizona and it was it eight and a half with
the Niners. The Niners are actually.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
The favorite, I more so than the Rams.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Rams were nine and a half, Niners were ten and
a half.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Rams are clearly number one. The other three are about
the same to me. Yeah, but perception is different.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Tampa Bay over nine and a half or over the
numbers nine and a half plus one fifteen to the over,
minus one forty to the under. A lot of people
picking the under.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
I would go over. I think they'd win at least
four in the division, maybe six.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
I mean split the difference, it's five.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Start right, I mean they're probably it's totally different odds.
But if you look at what's it paid to win
the division. I would think besides the Bills, they might
be the most easy favorite for me.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
You know, Tennessee five and a half minus one fifty
five to the over, plus one thirty to the under.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Probably go under. It's good, Yeah, I mean it's not bad. Right,
it's a tough one.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
The Commanders. I'm going under nine and a half.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
Oh. I thought it'd be ten and a half for sure.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Minus one twenty to the over plus one hundred to
the under.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
They screamed PLEXI last principle to me, But I thought
that number would be higher. Maybe got bet down. I'll
still go under.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
The Steelers eight and a half plus one hundred to
the over, minus one twenty to the under.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
If they signed Aaron Rodgers today, do you think it
goes to nine and a half. Yeah, because I think
at the odds, I think they like crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I don't think they're gonna go roll with the quarterbacks
they have, you know, even if it's Cousins. Yeah, I
think the odds change that day. I would go over.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
I would go over as well. Yeah, we just went through.
When we went through Mike Clay's fantasy forecast, will we
come up with twelve games where they were either favored.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Or it was a split where it was fifty to fifty.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Yeah, yeah, tells me more. They're gonna get more than
eight and a half.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
And that, well Toman loses games you shouldn't. Well, he
wins games. He should do.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Everybody.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Everybody does, that's why they play.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
He actually wins more games that he's not supposed to
win than he loses games that.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
He's right right right, Yeah, Like I'm I'd have to
go back and remember the Clay thing, but I'm sure
they were dogs against the Ravens twice and at least
the Bengals once.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
I know I can remember. I think it was at
the end of.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
I think a Brown's almost fifty fifty.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
It was the end of the twenty twenty three season,
and I saw the stat out there that as an underdog,
straight underdog, he had a winning record.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
That's great.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
He was like seven or eight games over five hundred.
No other head coach and Belichick was still coaching. Yeah,
no other head coach was above five hundred. Wow as
an underdog.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Wow, that's crazy. Wins those games, yeah, plus primetime games.
We've seen the schedule yet, I'm that's true for all.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Team, and we'll see that in a couple of weeks,
but we do know ones overseas. But you know, yeah,
so interesting. Yeah yeah, but I would go over eight
to half. I would do even even if it's Mason Rudolph.
I'm going over eight and a half.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Yeah, I think so, because they'll find ways to win games.
And it probably went't four in the division, pretty good
start at least three. Yeah, I like three as a minimum. Yeah,
you know, I don't want to play Thursday night in Cleveland. No,
I hope that doesn't happen.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
But thankfully they don't ask us to play Thursday. I
just have to attend. Yeah, really really bad.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
That's a great.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Anyways, he is the Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lully.
Those are the NFL over unders. At this point, we'll
circle back around on yeah, yeah, as we get closer
to training camp.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
But that was It's interesting. It is the book and
see the perception out there, but there's no Vegas knows
stuff sometimes. Yeah, sometimes I don't know if they do.
I mean, but I think there's mighty to be made
that spots do if you're smarter about it. Anyways, we're
gonna get to a break. We'll be back with more
on the drive right after this.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
At least he's the drive with Dale Lolly and Matt
Williamson on your twenty four to seven Home of the
Black and Gold in Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
And we are back. I'm Dale Lolly, he is the
Matt Williamson and we were looking at those over unders
for the teams here Matt looking at the same website
here at bet MGM looking at the Super Bowl odds. Okay,
to win it or go to win it? Okay, The
Eagles are plus six fifty. The Ravens are plus seven hundred.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
I'm a little shock there too.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
I am too. Yeah, the Bills are plus seven fifty.
The Chiefs are plus seven fifty.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
I think the Bills chance better than the Chiefs or
Ravens to get the number one seed in the AFC.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
The Lions are plus nine hundred. I guess they should
be second in the NFC. The Bengals are then next
at plus eighteen hundred.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
That doesn't smell like the others, No, I mean, the
quarterback thing is great, but then they're not as nearly
as good a team other than that than any of
the teams imagined.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
They have the same odds as the forty nine Ers
and Commanders.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
I wouldn't bet on any of them at that price.
I mean the payoffs not good enough. They should all
be lower.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Right after them are the Rams at plus two thousand.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
I like the Rams better than all those teams.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
You've got two teams at plus twenty five hundred, the
Packers and the Chargers.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
Packers I think should be in that neighbor.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
They don't trust Chargers.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
No, they had a lot of roster holes.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
I don't trust this next team you get, well, we
got three teams, four teams at plus thirty five hundred.
Listen to this group. The Bears, I mean it pays well.
The Texans.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
I think they're better than some of the teams we mentioned.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
The Vikings.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
Maybe the one that I would the Bears don't belong
with those other two.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
I wonder that would take a flyer on. Here is
the Buccaneers at plus thirty five.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
That's not bad. They've been close the playoff experience, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Then you have the Broncos at plus four thousand.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
Getting the teams now where you really gotta squint from
to win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
The Dolphins and the Steelers at plus five thousand.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
Can you I don't know anything about stocks, but can't
you bet on stocks to go backwards? Like? Can I
not bet on the Dolphins? You know what I mean?
Like I want to do the negative against I don't
bet against it, right, I know wouldn't pay as well,
but there's no way it's gonna pay that.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
Yeah, they're not going uh at plus sixty six hundred.
Are three teams, the Cowboys, Patriots, and Seahawks.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
The world's pretty high on the Pats. I don't get it.
They're not as good as those two teams.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
It's rabel trust.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it's a good start. They just
don't make the players.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
The Cardinals are plus eight thousand.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Was a better chance than the Patriots.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
The Cardinals are plus eight thousand on this, but they're
over runners eight and a half.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
Yeah, it's all about the betting. Who's putting their money places? Right?
Speaker 2 (40:09):
The Falcons are plus eighty've never won the Super Bowl? Right? Yeah?
The Falcons are plus eight thousand.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
Panics have to be a monster.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
The Colts and Jaguars are both plus ten thousand.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Could you write a picture that the Jags turn things around?
And Lawrence's MVP or no, you know Richardson's average?
Speaker 2 (40:29):
You know, No, Yeah, the Raiders plus twelve fifty or
twelve five, I should say.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
I mean, I don't know that any of these teams
have a shot at this point. But I didn't think
the Commanders had a shot a year ago. They made
a final four Texans a year before that.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
The Panthers are plus fifteen thousand.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
What's amazing, though, is one of these teams that were
just mentioned right around here is going to be It's
gonna win ten or more.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
The Jets are plus fifteen thousand. The Saints are plus
seventeen to five. Wow, the Browns, Titans, and Giants are
Actually the Browns and Titans are both plus twenty thousand,
and the Giants are plus twenty five thousand. Why they're
the other The Giants are being way undersold here.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
Yeah, I'm not putting any money und to win the superow.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Now, you said their schedule is the toughest last, but
the Browns are thirty five a better football team than those.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
Yeah, they're like five or six teams ahead of them.
I think Dave Ball might be a decent coach too.
I mean, they're not perfect by any means, but I
wouldn't put them thirty second in the power ranks. No,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
I mean, just look at the quarterback play right right right,
at least they got Giants versus the Titans. I'll take
the Giants, yeah, for today the game right now, right,
Giants versus the Browns. I'll take the Giants, Giants versus
the Saints. I'll take the Giants, Giants versus the Jets.
I'll take the Giants, Giants versus the Panthers. Now we're getting.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
Into that's a conversation.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
I would probably still take the Giants.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
Because they got three guys, right, you know, right, and
you've got a couple of bites at it. If it
doesn't work out.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
We don't get the Giants. Raiders.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
Now we're I would take Gino over all those.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
Now we're into that conversation. Yeah, the Raiders are plus
twelve twelve five. They're even close, not even closer to
win totals.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
Yeah, super Bow odds are weird to me though, like
so many of those teams.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
I mean, the Giants, the Giants aren't a good bet.
They're not going to win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
Most of them is just flushing money either way. I
mean it's just yeah, it could pay off huge, but
it's the chance I'm winning the Super Bowls pretty tight.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
Yeah, interesting, Bucks are one of my favorite. Yeah, Bucks
aren't bad.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
There's another one. I kind of like, Yeah, Bucks came
to mind. I like that one.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
It could happen, could happen, and we could both be
scooped up by aliens.
Speaker 3 (42:50):
Right. But I think we talked about this yesterday, Like,
if you gave me the Eagles and Chiefs or the field,
I'll take the field, right. I mean, there's there's still
a lot of change.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
If I gave you the top four favorites on here, Eagles, Ravens, Bills, Chiefs,
it would probably be about plus let's say plus one
fifty to plus two.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
Have you parlayed those all four together?
Speaker 2 (43:13):
What's it if you parlayed them?
Speaker 3 (43:15):
Yeah, well you wouldn't win them all. I guess I
would take those four.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
I might still take one of these other like the Lions, Lions,
there's some other teams in the I could see winning
winning the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
I could too. I don't know those four light years
better than everybody else, but I like their playoff experience.
Like the Bengals. Don't scare me, but I bet one
of those four teams win it. I would take those four,
but if you gave me only three of them, I wouldn't.
It's close. Yeah, there's some from nowhere.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
In the cases of the Ravens and Bills. Yes, they've
got playoff experience. Much of it's bad.
Speaker 3 (43:53):
Yeah right, right right, like Bucks are getting playoff experience.
Rams have a lot of playoffs. Yeah. Still it hasn't
been good yea.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
Yeah, same thing.
Speaker 3 (44:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
Anyways, let's get to a break. That's going to do
it for our number one of the drive here on
the Steelers Audio Network. Matt and I will be back
with our number two right after this
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