April 17, 2025 • 43 mins
Matt and Dale kick off the show discussing the Aaron Rogers saga as he gave an update on his state of mind. The guys also take a look at the greatest players drafted at every draft number.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
At least.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on
your twenty four to seven Home of the Black and
Gold Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
And welcome to the Drive. I am Dale Lolly, he
is the Matt Williamson and we will not.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Be having Aaron.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Rodgers as a guest today.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
No, we were not not on this one.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Aaron Rodgers was a guest today on the Pat McAfee
show because he said his sister urged him get to
go on because there was a lot of bs out
there guarding his situation.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
I didn't hear the interview, but it sounds like it
was pretty inconclusive overall.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Well, I mean he did say some stuff. He said, Look,
I haven't signed with anybody to this point because I
have some stuff going on in my life right now
that I have have to take my attention.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Okay, that's fair, that's fair.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
I mean there are a lot of people these things,
if those things have to take precedent over whether you
play football or not next year, and the Steelers are
comfortable waiting, which obviously they are.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
I'm sure there's been back and forth in dialogue between you.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
He's been in contact with Mike Tomlin constantly.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Really okay, so no change obviously, which change I understand
gets frustrating.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
He said retirement is still a possibility. But I think
retirement is a possibility for him if the Steelers would move.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
On, Okay, I mean, there isn't another landing spot for it.
I don't see it.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
I don't see him going to New Orleans, for example.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
I don't either. I think they're going to draft one
and cars still in the mix. I mean, that doesn't
seem like a fit to me at all. Scheme finances,
you know, where the teams do it right, right, right? Yeah,
So they've been nice to get an answer. There's no
doubt it'd be nice to know before the draft. Maybe
they do know, I mean, or.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
I have a feeling again, Mike Tomlin has been in
constant content with Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
I guess Rogers.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Rogers said that he has a great deal of respect
for Mike Tomlin, even more so after meeting with him,
said he's been you know, he's had a relationship with
with Arthur Smith for a long time. They've known each other.
Tom Arth was with the Packers, the Steelers quarterback coach,
and Aaron Rodgers rookie year. So Aaron Rodgers is going
(02:27):
to be a Pittsburgh Steeling.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
You can feel pretty confident about it. Yeah, I do.
I have every step of the way. It's starting to linger,
which because you doubts, but the Steelers would have done something.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
This makes a lot more sense. Like him coming out
and you know he's waiting on the vikings, he's waiting
on it. You were everybody was guessing what was happening.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Yeah, that part didn't that up to me either. I mean,
it's Steelers are retirement for Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
For him to come out and say, look, no, I've
had some things that I've had to take care of
my life. I have some people who are dealing with
some illnesses in my He didn't say family. Yeah, yeah,
he deferred his family. That that he or his inner
circle or whatever you want to say.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
People are close to him, people that.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Are close to him, great, take care of that. Like
there's again, there's no rush here. The Steelers haven't done
anything on the football field, nor will they really until
after the draft.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
He's not under contract with the Steelers or anyone, so
he has no obligations financially or legally to anybody. I
mean he can take as long as he wants and
he has the money. Obviously, I don't know what else
to add to it, you know, I mean, so we're
still don't know any different in terms of a yes
or no. But at least it was something said from him,
(03:41):
and I think that clears things up a little a
little bit.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Yeah, yeah, again, that thats just add some clarity, gives
you some clarity to the situation. He's not holding out
waiting for somebody else. He did say he's told the
teams that he talked to, Look, I'll play for ten million.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
I did hear that? Oh they're going to give Aaron
rodgersion dollars. He's not worth that.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
I guess that wasn't true.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Huh. I doubt he signs a ten million dollar contract.
But it's not going to be forty five.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
It's not going to be forty five. It's not going
to be forty it's not gonna be it's gonna be something.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
I like that, Dan, did you like that?
Speaker 3 (04:14):
But this is this is just what we've been dealing.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
With, right everyone, they say people.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
The conjecture, the guess that worked there. Well, if you
pay Aaron Rodgers, you can't pay TJ.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
What No, right, that's o case at all. Right. Yeah,
So it's funny is all these people that think they
know really had.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
No clue, pretending that they I talked to Aaron Rodgers
once five years ago, and here's what I think.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
This is what he's up to, that's all.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
BS.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
I don't think he knows hundred percent, you know, right.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
That's that's the main thing. He doesn't know.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
What if?
Speaker 3 (04:44):
What if the situations that he is dealing with off
the field linger or turn worse?
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Right right right? You know what?
Speaker 3 (04:53):
I don't and I'm not going to even guess what
these things are.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Clue.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
But you know, again, how having dealt with stuff in
my own personal life, I can understand if you want
to take your time. If somebody's dealing with something really
bad in their life and there and they mean a
lot to you, take your time.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Yeah, But once you're in, this is what I've said
all long about Aaron Rodgers. Once you're in, you're in.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
That's the thing is when you jump on the ride,
the roller coaster is not stopping, you know what I mean,
let's go, We're not going to Egypt, We're no, you're in.
You get all that stuff out of the out of
your system, or deal with what you need to deal with.
It's more important in football. We all understand that that's
that there is things more important than football, believe it
or not. And hey, I mean he's not a young
guy either. I mean he's probably looking at his life
(05:40):
in a retrospective kind of way in some ways.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Here's the one thing I thought that he talked about
the way things ended with the Jets, and he wasn't
happy about that. He told them he still wanted to
keep playing.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Okay, important note, an important note, context clue.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
And they said no, they were they were going to
move on. And I guess it got a little contentious
or whatever, however you want to look at it. I
can't believe that a player of Aaron Rodgers' ability, that
is resume and status, right, would want that to be
(06:22):
the last the last thing that you saw, right.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
I mean, now, his body might disagree with him. And
that's the thing. He did have a major injury and
surgery not long ago. On his timeline. He's not young.
But if you want to play the Jets, I mean,
if there's truth to that that, hey, I wanted to
do this another year with you guys in New York.
(06:45):
Probably wants to do another year.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
He probably wants to play another year. He wants to
get that bad taste out of.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
His knows what he's capable of, and you know, maybe
he's not the player he was five years ago and
probably recognizes that, but probably doesn't want Frank with the
Seahawks to be the last thing you hear of them.
You know, Willie Mays with the Mets. You know that
kind of ye charge a million other rams? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
like that. Let me change that tune, you know, Yeah,
(07:11):
hopefully I mean hopefully we who knows.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
And quite frankly, I mean, if you look at it,
Peyton Manning in twenty fifteen with the with the Broncos,
Pet Manning was not the driving factor for the Broncos.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Winning a Super Bowl, bad neck injury, he was coming
off of why he was not a cult any But.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
What you got from Peyton Manning that season and it
happened against the Steelers in the playoffs that year. Steelers
are winning that game in Denver with Ben Roethlisberger with
an army couldn't raise above his shoulder, No, Antonio Brown,
and I think that was the year they're all run
together now. But the Steelers are winning that game and
(07:56):
Peyton Manning put together a drive.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Yeah yeah, summoned up An with his They.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Won that game for him because they had a really
good defense. They did, they did, and he made he
may basically I can remember there was one throw that
he kind of saw something at the line of scrimmage,
changed the play, hit the hit the steam route and
basically won them that game. But his overall numbers weren't great.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
No, he had a rough go of it. I mean
he couldn't drive the ball on out routes and things
like that, but there was still a bullet or two
left in the guy. No no, no, I mean yeah, yeah,
and knowing where to go to football, being smart, all
that stuff. Tom Brady. Now, Brady had more in the tank.
I would say he was better player at that stage.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
But he also had a heck of a lot more
offensively around him. I mean, we talked about that that
off snon I remember if you just gave you gave
that Tampa Bay Buccaneers team average quarterback play.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
I mean that was Winston coming off the thirty thirty year.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
With basically forty third Yeah, he had forty turnovers. He
lost over ten fumbles that year two in addition to
the thirty interceptions. Like if your quarterback just goes out
there and doesn't the ball over two times a game,
make that twelve or fifteen or twenty, which is what
Brady was able to do.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Yeah, and that's and Brady agreed with us. I mean
he looked at the situation like this is perfect for
me to land. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Now you've also brought up some other instances where it
didn't work out.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Sure, I mean we kind of went through this with
Wilson here.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Last year, but those players weren't the caliber player that
Aaron Rodgers was or Tom Brady or Peyton Mann.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Right right right, I mean some of the best I've
ever done it. Yeah, without question, So again, I who knows.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
I'm willing to give it a shot because A what
else do you got at this point? But B if
only if he is in one on being a Steeler,
being present at everything.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
And you but like you said, not before he signs
a contract, but the second.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Half, the second after.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Yeah, yeah, I don't care about all this stuff because
they're not doing anything on the field right now.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
No, he's not hurting the team he's not making. You know,
it's not a maybe it's a distract action, but who knows.
There's not anyone even in the facility working out. I mean,
it's everyone's on their own.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
I know some people. Well, there are OTAs start next week.
There are OTAs, and there are OTAs.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
The OTAs that start next week are just we're going
to have the building opened up. If players want to
come in and work out, you can come in and
work out. Coaches aren't involved, Yeah, the coaches aren't it.
It's just guys going and lifting weights, training together, that
kind of stuff. Then you have the draft, you have
your rookie mini camp.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
This's the fact you wrote. You said the sentence coaches
aren't involved.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Coaches aren't involved. You have your rookie mini camp that
it starts to be football ish, and that's where the
coaches get their hands on the young guys for.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
The first time. That's like freshman orientation.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
But you're not bringing Aaron Rodgers to that, no, no, no,
that's and then after that you involve the veteran players
in the coaches. So really you've got two or three
more weeks before the actual football off sage off season
training program really starts where.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
You would want him to be. Yeah, you know, I
mean if he starts missing those things, I think that's
a different conversation. That's the conversation from a year ago
in New York. Blah blah blah. Yeah, and by then
the drafts in the books, you've already major decisions of
should we draft a quarterback or what do we do
with disposition? Et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
And the difference is like, if he were still a packer,
he wouldn't need to be a thetas. No, no, you know,
the offense, you're not learning anything new.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Nobody cared if Ben was there. Yeah, well you're either
you know right then?
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Was there something? Sometimes he was, Sometimes he wasn't. A
lot of players are in and out of those things.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
I never really can Hayward's not there, No one cares, no, right.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
But for a new player on a new team, yeah,
kind of need to be there.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
To a degree, it would certainly be fruitful. I mean
just even the verbiage at the line of scrimmage, the terminology,
the communications. I assume Wilson was there last year. I
think so. Yeah, you know, I think it's I think
that's important. I'm the starting quarterback on a new team.
I want you there for those things.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Yeah, and I gotta learn these new receivers who can
do what?
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
So yeah, that's that's when it gets important. At least
it hasn't.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Then then well then we can complain about it or
you know, bring it back up. But I would hope
that answer has happened, hopefully by the draft, but certainly
by then. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
I mean that's when it gets really Now you're starting
to get closer to you know, three weeks from now,
you're just a couple of weeks away from mini camp,
and then once mini camp's over, you're done, your off
season program is finished.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
And it's quiet, quiet time. Yeah, but you'd like to
have some exposure at that point, right, you know, even
if it's cousins or car or whoever. I mean, you'd
want your starting quarterback to be around.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
That's what you would hope. I mean that doesn't mean
that's what's going to happen, but I mean we've seen
instances in the past where quarterbacks have gotten injured in
training camp and you bring somebody else in and.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Yeah, yeah it's quarterback. I don't know. The encouraging thing,
assuming everybody wants them to be a stealer, to me
is constant communication with the head coach, and I wanted
to play. I wanted to come back to the Jets
and play. You know. That implies to me that he's
leaning that way. You know, if he was drifting off
in the sunset, would those two things come out of
(13:08):
his mouth. Probably not. But again I'm speculating.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Yeah, I mean, that's what it always, right, And this
just ends some of the speculation, not all of it, but.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Some of it. I do think people were hoping to
get an answer. He's going on the air, he's gonna
say yes or no, we didn't.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
But well, yeah, quite frankly, I'm kind of happy he
didn't do it that way just to go on. I'm
gonna go on the McAfee show and make a big pronouncement.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's just shows have to happen, right.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
No, the circus is still in towent.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Everyone thought he'd be walk out on stage, you know,
and McAfee was here and all that too, and yeah,
maybe it's not just a big look at me circus situation.
It's just ID see the little time.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
I need time.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Yeah, and I get it. I mean totally upfront with
the Steelers that way too.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
It's it's really not all that different than the last
few years, a few years of Ben Roethlisberger's career. He says, look,
I need some time before I decide whether I'm gonna
play or not.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Not uncommon for any athlete. I mean they're under contract
with their new teams.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Once you reach a certain age. Okay, and I know, oh,
Chuck Nolan said, if you're thinking about retirement, then you retire.
That was forty years ago. It's a different game today.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
It's a lot more money involved. There's a lot more
off season. I mean, some of those guys like sold
insurance and.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Yeah, they didn't have the full season train year round, right, Like, Okay,
if you're thinking about retirement in nineteen seventy five, I
get it, because you get another job that you do
on the side that maybe you just want to do that.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Yeah, guys didn't play into their late thirties and early forties.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
I mean it was then too, but it's just a
huge commitment to say yes, I'm in because it's diving
in with both feet. Like you said, they're not sneaking
off the Egypt. You're not going into a dark or
half or whatever, right right, I mean you need to
constantly train your mind, your body, everything about it. And
it's a big commitment and it's a longer seed. It's
(14:58):
a lot more money involved of that. You know, people
played later if they want. There's I'm sure he has
his own private quarterback coach and you know all that
stuff too that Bradshaw didn't have. And of course you know,
so it's just a lot more involved.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
So what Chuck Nole said forty years ago or fifty
years ago really doesn't doesn't factor into this.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
No, I'm sure there's been I bet we could come
up with ten football players in the last couple of
years Kelsey or whoever. Yeah, thought about retirement and came
back and didn't and he came back and played well,
right right right? You know again, you're either in or
you're out. But if you're in, you got to be in.
And that's what you're deciding right now. Do I want
to put my body through this again? Right? Right? Right?
I mean it is a strain, yeah, and doesn't sound
(15:39):
like money is the most important thing to him, which
is that's thought That was good to hear too. Yeah,
that's not we'll play for ten million, but I get
what he's saying.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Yeah, anyways, let's get to a break. He is the
Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly. You're listening to the
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Speaker 2 (16:01):
At this, he's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt
Williamson on your twenty four to seven home of the
Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio, and.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
We are back. I am Dale LOLLI he is the
Matt Williamson and Matt I saw this today on SI dot.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Com their.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Matt ver Damie Vetera, Amy, I guess or urder Army.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
I forget how pronounce him. He's been in the business
for a while.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Been in the business for a while. He put together
the top picks at every spot in the in a draft.
I'm up from the history of the game. Oh okay,
I thought he was predicting this upcoming draft. Okay, like
who was the best twenty third pick overall or whatever? Like,
So we go through some of these, Okay, see if
we agree.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
It's funny. We talked with Bob yesterday about you know,
some the Steelers picking twenty one lynch Wan. You know
it was one of them, right right, that's a pretty
good one.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
It's a good one. Yeah, yeah, all right. So first overall,
how do you get narrow that down? So he chose
Peyton Manning. But here are some of the other guys
who were chosen first.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
I mean there's a million of them. Yeah, obviously they're
gonna be good. O J.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Simpson, Yeah, Terry Bradshaw.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Say what you want about O. J. Simpson. I think
he's one of the most underrated backs in the history
of the league.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Leeroy Selman, Earl Campbell, John Elway.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
I say Elway comes to mind for me, is immediate.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Bruce Smith, Troy Aikman, I get it. I mean three
Super Bowls?
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Orlando Pace and Miles Garrett.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Okay, pretty good list. Peyton Manning, all right, I mean
there's I might go Elway too. I think Lweih would
be my pick. Yeah, I mean Manning was great, don't
get me wrong, but Elway was It would be.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
My pick number two overall. His pick is Lawrence Taylor
in nineteen years say LT to me stands out on
this one. The honorable mentions Randy White in seventy five, Oka,
Tony Dorset in seventy seven, Eric Dickerson in eighty three,
A lot of running backshre Marty.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
You say that the Cowboys got dor set in seventy
seven when they were already like one of the best
teams in the league.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
I traded, I know, I know, Marshall Falcon ninety four,
he was two. Yeah, Tony Basselli in ninety five, Julius
Peppers in two thousand and two, and Saquon Barkley in
twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
I think lt is the choice. Yeah, good golf. Yeah,
I mean, I'm not sure who beats him at any level.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Number three overall, going back to nineteen eighty, he went
with Anthony.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Munos, maybe the best OFFENSI facult ever life.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Offensive tackle for the Bengals. The honorable mentions mile my No,
I would go to this guy, Barry Sanders in eighty nine,
not bad, Cortez Kennedy in ninety Hall of Famer Andre
Johnson in two thousand and three. Also Hall of Famer
Larry Fitzgerald in two thousand and four, and Joe Thomas
in two thousand and seven. I would say Barry your moneo,
(18:53):
I'm going Barry Santas, okay, yeah, but that's yeah, Yeah,
they're both strong candidates. Fourth overall, going back to nineteen
seventy five, it.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Was Dion right after Barry in the same draft. I
don't know if he was four or five. I think
he was five. His number four pick is Walter Payton
in nineteen five. Not too shabby.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
The honorable mentions Joe Green in sixty nine. Anybody either, right,
John Hannah in seventy A lot.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Of people think Joe Green was the first pick in
the draft and he was not. He wasn't.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Yeah, yeah, John Hannah in seventy three, Dan Hampton in
seventy nine, Derek Thomas in eighty nine, Jonathan Ogden in
ninety six.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Derek Thomas was the same year as Barry Sanders that draft.
We're going to get the d on so good, right, yeah?
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Wow, Charles Woodson in ninety eight, and Trent Williams in
twenty ten.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Strong as you would imagine. I mean, there's serio, who
is it. If Joe Green comes in second, that's pretty good. Yeah. Uh.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Number five is Dion Sanders nineteen eighty nine, same class. Wow,
honorable mentions Mike Kynes.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
What's funny is Manderich went to that year. Oh yeah,
and all these other Hall of famers went right after
the Packers.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Mike Haynes in seventy six, the cornerback Junior Seau in ninety.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Junior Sale I a monster, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Ladanian Tomlinson in two thousand and one.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Okay, and then they got Drew Brees in next round.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Yeah, and Khalil Mack in twenty fourteen.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Pretty good. I guess I'd go with Dion six.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Walter Jones in ninety seven.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Oh man, you talk about I mean, everyone knows how
good he is, but I think he was as good
as any player I almost ever scouted. I mean I
was in charge of the NFC West when I was
at the Browns, and him and pace For in their prime.
By the fourth quarter, people just stopped rushing the passer
against those guys just played the run. It was crazy
to watch.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
The honorable mentions John Riggins in seventy one, James Lofton
in seventy eight, Jim Covert in eighty three, Pitt Tim
Brown in eighty eight, and Julio Jones in twenty eleven.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Julio's got a good case. We talked about him, we retired.
Who was number one? Could they pick Walter Jones? Oh yeah, good? Good?
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Number seven overall Adrian Peterson two thousand and seven is
his pick.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Pretty ridiculous career.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Not many honorable mentions here, though, there's one that could
push his way into this over Adrian Peterson Sterling Sharp
in that eighty eight, Champ Bailey in ninety nine.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
That's pretty good.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Josh Allen in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Oh, I think he'll end up with the title of.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Five years from now. Adrian Peterson's getting bumped off.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Yeah, yeah, I think Peterson's the It's terrible, say like
the weakest one.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Bar you know, Number eight, Ronnie Lott forty nine Ers
in eighty one.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
He's probably unlike the all time defensive back team, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
The honorable mentions Larry Zonka in sixty eight, Mike Munchak
in eighty two, eh, Willie rof in ninety three, Christian
McCaffrey in seventeen.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Good not amazing.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Yeah, yeah, number nine overall, Bruce Matthews by the Oilers
in eighty three. Your honorable mentions Brian Erlacker in two thousand,
Tyron Smith in twenty eleven. Luke Keickley in twenty twelve.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
We talked about Tyron Smith yesterday, the day before Keithley
will go to the Hall of Fame. I think Smith
will also.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Number that's kind of week, yeah, Number ten overall. Patrick
Mahomes in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
I'm on board with that.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Here are the other guys though, Marcus Allen in eighty two, good,
Rod Woodson in eighty seven, Jerome Bettison ninety three.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Okay, little Steeler contingency there, right, Nice Mahomes is hard
to talk, hard to be right.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Woodson's not bad. Yeah, pretty damn good. Number eleven overall,
it's some argument here. He goes with JJ Watt.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
He's gonna go to the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
The other picks Michael Irvin in eighty eight, okay, Ben
Roethlisberger in two thousand and four, DeMarcus ware in two
thousand and five, and Patrick Willis in two thousand and seven.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
I don't have a problem with WA quarterbacks are strong though.
I mean, obviously they can't get a big contingency there.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Number twelve. Warren Sap in nineteen ninety five by the Buccaneers.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
And he fell he fell, you know, I mean I
remember watching the draft. They were talking about him being
the best player in the draft.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
The interesting part his honorable mention includes nobody really, there
must be no Hall of famers drafted at twelve twelve. Okay,
number thirteen, Aaron Donald, Saint Louis, I's twenty fourteen. Your
honorable mentions Franco Harris in seventy two. Good, Kellen Winslow
(23:50):
in seventy nine, Tony Gonzalez in ninety seven.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
It's pretty strong.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Must be where you take tight ends.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Get the tight end number fourteen Loveland or Warren goes thirteen.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Yeah, to move Darrel Reeves in two thousand and seven,
Good by the Jets. The honorable mentions Randy Gratishar in
seventy four. I think he's in Yeah, Yeah, Jim Kelly
in eighty.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Three US by way of USFL. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Fifteen once again just one guy, Alan Page offensive face
at all time, very defensive tackle for the Vikings nineteen
sixty seven. No honorable mentions. Sixteen guy the Bob Labriola
talked about on our show yesterday.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Jerry Rice, Yeah, pretty good.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Eighty five. The honorable mention in I wonder.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Where the Steelers picked that year, because I remember him
saying they had all this interest and he went right
before the Steelers picked.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
The honorable mention is Troy Paulamalo in two thousand and three.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Not a bad runner up. There's definitely some Steelers on here.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Seventeen is EMMITTT. Smith running back Dallas Cowboys nineteen ninety
the uh.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
We're having Irvan the same year. No, they were won apart.
Irvan was eighty eight, are you Nine?
Speaker 3 (25:11):
The honorable mentioned Gene Upshaw in sixty seven and Steve
Hutchinson in two thousand and one.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Okay, that's prettyasy. Want to say there.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Eighteen Art Monk in nineteen eighty he's in the Hall
of Fame. No honorable mentions again, Okay, that's pretty weak spot.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Nineteen Marvin Harrison nineteen ninety six. The honorable mentions are
Roger Worley in nineteen sixty nine and Randall McDaniel in
nineteen eighty eight.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Not super strong either.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Twenty is Jack Youngblood with the Rams in nineteen seventy one.
Your honorable mentions Steve Attwater in nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Reach in Hall of Famer. I might put Atwater over
young Blood twenty one. Wait, eighteen nine, twenty aren't so great?
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Where the Steelers draft this year? Randy Moss Minnesota Vikings
nineteen ninety eight. EFL.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Dyson went ahead of them, which is weird.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Yeah, the honorable mention is Lynn Swan.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Nice bout your wide receiver. Seventy four?
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Yeah, twenty two. I bet there's several seventy four's on
this list. He went the whole way through the draft,
So I bet you can find nineteen seventy four Steelers
all the way through twenty two, justin Jefferson. Yeah, I
think that's worth twenty twenty. Nobody in the honorable mentions wow, okay,
(26:37):
twenty three. Ozzie Newsom the Browns in nineteen seventy eight.
Oh fame or easily the honorable mentions Ray Guy.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
I'm sorry, yeah, yeah, no, I mean it sounds like
if you're in the Hall of Fame. He mentions, apparently.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Yeah, yeah, but that was not a good draft pick
to take Ray Guy in the first round in the
nineteen seventy three draft.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
I'm sorry. Even if you are the best punter ever,
you could be the Yeah, it could be number one.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
It's for eternity.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Yeah, yeah, couldn't you got him in the second round?
Speaker 3 (27:07):
I would think so.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Same with Janikowski. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
The other honorable mention is ty Law in nineteen ninety five,
two quips on there, there you go. Twenty four Ed
Reid two thousand and two. The honorable mention Aaron Rodgers
in two thousand and five. I'm sorry, but Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Got to go over it reads it amazing. Don't get
bad player, amazing, right, but Aaron Rodgers is. I remember
being a fan back then hoping Reid got the Steelers
and it was like two or three picks ahead of
him that Ravens snagged him.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Twenty five is Stanley Morgan with the Patriots in nineteen seventy.
He's not a Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Yeah. I guess if you put somebody there, somebody hit
because there's no honorable mess. Yeah, that's the weakest spot.
What number was that? Twenty forty five?
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Ray Lewis at twenty six nineteen ninety six with the Ravens.
The honorable mentions your same.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Year as Ogden, and I don't think Ogden got mentioned
early in the draft. Yeah he did, did did? Okay,
you should.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Joe Delu the Malaik Delamaur, Dilomelauri. Yeah, Bill and Alan
Fanica in ninety eight. Okay, not bad. I would go
with Lewis twenty seven. Dan Marino nineteen eighty.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Three also kind of slipped, but a strong quarterback draft.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Yeah. Uh. The honorable mention is DeAndre Hopkins.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Probably not a Hall of Fame I don't think so. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Twenty eight. Derek Brooks with the Buccaneers in nineteen ninety five.
The honorable mention is Darryl Green in nineteen eighty three. Okay, yeah,
twenty nine Harrison Smith with the Vikings in two thousand two.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Probably not a Hall of Famer. Yeah, really good career,
but probably not a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
The honorable mentions are Chris Bielman in eighty eight and
Nick Mangold in two thousand and six.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Okay, that's probably the weakest spot so far. Give your today.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Thirty j Watt. Nice It's Burg Steelers twenty seventeen. So
both Watt brothers, two of the three brothers over Eric
Allen nineteen eighty eight and Reggie Wayne two thousand and one.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
He should be number one on that list.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Yeah, thirty one. Cameron Hayward Wow Steelers in twenty eleven.
The honorable mention is Curly Culp in nineteen sixty eight.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Hall of Famer.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
I think, yeah, yeah, Hayward Hall of Famer. I think wow, yeah, yeah,
I think he's on his way thirty two. Lamar Jackson, Yeah,
I think that's fine. Honorable mentioned Drew Brees in two
thousand and one, but.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
He was the second rounder. There must have been thirty
two to thirty teams at that point.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Yeah, okay, Lamar versus Drew Brees is a conversation.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
It is it is. I mean, I don't know how
many does Breeze have any MVPs? I would think one.
I think he has at least one. Yeah, he is
a super Bowl yeaheah. I mean he's got a ton
of passing titles in stats.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
That's a that's a carversation.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
It is.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Brett fav Is at thirty three doesn't give you honorable
mentions for some of these other spots. Let's see here.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Then they traded him a year after that.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Yeah, well he had some stuff.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Oh he did. Just I'll go through the.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Stuff here that Steeler related as we go through.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
The rest of this year, it'll go all the way
down to lake Go do that.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Two hundreds, Yeah, forty four Dermani Dawson nineteen eighty eight. Nice, nice,
I think he's the best center of all time.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
You too, he'd be my vote.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Derrick Henry's at forty five, forty six. Jack Lambert Pittsburgh
Steelers nineteen seventy.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Four, say that drafted me pretty well represented.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
I think it's gonna you might see a bunch of those. Yeah,
let's see her.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Webbe and you know, yeah A J.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Brown, Ken Stabler at fifty two and sixty eight, fifty three,
Mel Blunt Pittsburgh Steelers nineteen seventy.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
How does he last in the second round.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
He's a small school guy that I know.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
I mean, it's just kind of sixty four and incredibly
physically imposing. I get it.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Let's see here, Pat Swilling, Brian Dawkins, Tony Hill sixty three,
Travis Kelcey, Yeah that sixty four. Dan Fouts nineteen seventy three.
That late, let's see here sixty seven.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Ken Anderson, Okay, has a strong Hall of Fame case,
but probably doesn't get in.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
I think he eventually gets in, but it's got a wow. Yeah,
it's been too long. Seventy five, Russell Wilson with the Seahawks.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Yeah, well that guy in the third round.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Absolutely Artschell all the way down at nineteen eighty from
nineteen sixty eight, eighty two. Joe Montana in nineteen seventy nine. Nice,
we got uh, oh, there's heinz Ward ninety two, nineteen
ninety eight.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
A lot of Steelers on there, lot of Steelers on
this fifteen.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Ninety four, Thomas Everett, Wow, nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
It's a good player, but he the same as Woodson.
Draft at Woodson, Dalton Hall, and Everett. I remember one
year that went they had three defensive backs in their
top four picks.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
You got Joe thisman of the Dolphins in nineteen seventy one.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Dolphins drafted him, they trade him right away.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Yeah, he went to the well, he went to the CFL.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Oh yeah, back in nineteen seventy four, came back with Washington. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Uh one O four d White White nineteen seventy one,
Pittsburgh Steelers. One O college. They don't list to college.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
I can't remember the White White's college.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Yeah, like Alabama's something or other, I don't know, somewhere down.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Yeah, it wasn't sure if he was a historical Black
college or not.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
Max Crosby at one o six and twenty nineteen, Oh
like that, Yeah, had some stuff. Let's see here. Kevin
Green by the Rams in nineteen eighty five at one thirteen. Yeah,
Hall of famer, Herschel Walker by the Cowboys in nineteen
eighty five by way of USFL Yeah. Interesting. Steve Largent
(33:18):
by the Oilers in nineteen seventy six.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
He's phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Imagine if he has stayed with the Oilers.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
I forgot he was an Oiler.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
First they had the expansion Draft.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Yeah, that's how that worked. Okay, Yeah, so how did
you get this? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (33:30):
Mark Brunel was won eighteen by the Packers in nineteen
ninety three.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Packers drafted a bunch of quarterbacks. He drafted your quarterback, Yeah, hasselback, and.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
You know Hardy Nickerson nineteen eighty seven, Steel Beck with
the Steelers at one twenty two.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
That's the fourth round.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Yeah, one twenty five. Mike Webster nineteen seventy four. They
did okay in that seventy four draft, one twenty eight.
Barry Sanders nineteen ninety or Barry Foster, Barry Foster ninety
begot that's kind of what you're hoping for in this draft.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Yeah, i'd get that kind of that neighborhood.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
Uh. Let's see here, Isaiah likely already making the list
at one thirty nine from twenty twenty two. That's a
little it has to be so rich after at won
thirty nine, it has been somebody else that drafted at
one thirty nine that makes that list. Let's see one
fifty Greg Lloyd nineteen eighty seven. Steelers are pretty good
(34:28):
in that eighty seven draft.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
They're represented quite well here, to be honest with you. Yeah,
East Texas, A and M from Tyler, And it was
somewhere I knew. It was a small, tiny school, right.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Tyreek Hill at one sixty five in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
He had off the field stuff. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
Gary Anderson won seventy one by the Buffalo Bills in
nineteen eighty two.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
No, he wasn't a Steeler peck.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
He was not a Steeler pick.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
I assume that he has caught him early and.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
One eighty three Bo Jackson Raiders nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
And it would have been one. Oh yeah, I mean
I think he was one by Tampa. He was, and
then he went and played baseball baseball and came back in.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
Nineteen seventy wide receiver Dave Smith by the Steelers.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
I don't know Dave Smith. Let's see.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Nineteen one ninety five. In twenty ten picked one ninety
five Antonio Brown by the Steelers.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Yeah, that's an easy one, I'm sure.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Yeah, Terrell Davis at one ninety six, So two Hall
of famers back to back should be Hall of famers.
And then one ninety nine Tom.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Brady, Yeah, obviously. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
So six rounds? Where you mind these.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Two oh three?
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Richard dentka three like when you hit in the sixth round,
you hit in the sixth round, when you don't you
get some of these other gus reaches?
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
David Tyree, oh wow Yeah. Tim Ritay, Okay, we're getting there.
We're really four scrape in the bottom of the barrel.
Tom Nalen, Okay, imagine putting this list together. Oh, Mark
Clayton with the yeah yeah, and number two twenty four
Jay Ratliffe defensive tackle, Cowboys two thousand and five. Okay,
(36:21):
that's a heck of a list he put together? Is
Perdy not on there is the last one he only
went to two twenty four for some reason.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Oh okay, I don't know what number he was, but
he's later than that. Yeah. Nice, So yours very well.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
Represented, extremely well represented on that list.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Yeah, there's a couple of What's kind of funny is
there was a couple spots in the first round that
weren't that great.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
I don't know how John Stalworth didn't make the list.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
What pick was John stalwars the second rounder? Right?
Speaker 3 (36:44):
No, he's a fourth rounder?
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Fourth rounder?
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Yeah, I gotta look that up now. In nineteen seventy four,
what what overall pick was? He was eighty six?
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Eighty second was number?
Speaker 3 (36:57):
There you go, eighty seven can pick according to Toller,
and it is correct. Webby was the one twenty five?
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Who did you have? Eighty two? But I mean, John
Stalworth at least has to be an aorable mention, I
would think.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
And my computer is frozen up.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
Oh yeah, oh wait, we can investigate that. Have the break?
Speaker 3 (37:17):
If we have, we can look into that. We're gonna
get to a break, won't wait?
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Wait? Whoop? Ye? Nope?
Speaker 3 (37:21):
Maybe not nope? Yeah, there goes eighty two on this list?
Was this is good radio?
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (37:31):
This sits we're gonna get the break, all right, we'll
do We'll do the break.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly. You're listening
to the Drive here on the Steelers Audio Network. We'll
be back with more right after this.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
At least.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williams on
your twenty four to seven Home of the Black and
Gold Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
And we are back.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
I'm Dale Lolly. He is the Matt Williamson. And it
was Joe Montana who went over John Stone, so I
get it.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
We were double checking his work and back did a
pretty good job. He did a pretty good job.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
I'm not looking here to see if there's any other
Steelers through the years that may have made that list.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
That I'm just trying to kick around, like late round
picks that were huge successes, like Antonio Brown's, like the
Poster Channel.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Yeah sure, yeah, I'm just looking here at some of
these ones that didn't have any honorable mentions. We had
some players that was like a little sketchy, like Art
Monk at eighteen had no honorable mentions.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
That's funny. Yeah, well eighteen nineteen twenty I remember was
pretty weak.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
Marquise Pouncey was the eighteenth pick in the twenty ten draft.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Oh really, it should be an honorable mention at least,
I mean minimum. We've got some other guys on this
list that are like, I mean a minimum. I think
Pouncey's a Hall of Fame finalist.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
Yeah he has to. Yeah, where are the goods? Going
back a little bit more here? I mean max starts
at seventy five.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
Heck, yeah, my number was wolf picked.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
Punch, Yeah, nineteen okay, I was just looking there for
Casey Hampton. First rounds tough, first round is difficult, but
there were some that only have one guy listed, And
I'm like, okay, I.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Remember eighteen nineteen twenty ish, we're not real real strong.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
Troy Edwards, that's a new.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Like I don't remember. Like wil Fork's name you mentioned.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
No, that's another one. Like the defensive tackles kind of
get a little.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Yeah, they got a little short. I remember Richard Seymour's name.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
I'm just thinking, yeah, some of those guys didn't didn't
cut the mustard there? Ninety four, no ninety three, no
ninety two?
Speaker 1 (39:52):
What pick is? The Steelers have the eighty third pick
this year as well. Yes, that's right in the Stalwart
neighborhood Stalworth of Montana bo when eighty two. Right, yeah, right,
so you can get some there has been good stuff
mined in that neighborhood.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
Absolutely, Dawson was a forty fourth pick.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
That was a good one.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
That eighty seven draft was Rod Woodson at ten, Delton
Hall at thirty eight, Charles Lockett at sixty six, and
then Thomas and then Everett ninety four, Hardy Nickerson.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
That's doesn't get talked about enough.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Maybe it was like one twenty two draft and then
Greg Lloyd at one fifty.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Oh wow, that's the pretty think about rebuilding your defense.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
That's a pretty good one. I mean also got Meryl
Hodge Hodge that year at two sixty one.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Not like Belton Dalton Hall was a bad player, but
you get Woodson, Everett, Lockett, Lloyd for your defense for
the next ten years or whatever.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
When Charles Lockett was a wide receiver.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
Who do I missing that?
Speaker 3 (40:45):
There was four got Woodson, there was four starters, Everett, Everett, Lloyd,
and I guess that was really Cood Nickerson Nickerson Nickerson.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Yeah, they were four, big time guy.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
That's how you rebuild your team on the because they
were bad. Yeah yeah, yeah, eighty seven, eighty eight, they
were not.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
A good football secondary must have been horrible. Yeah, first four.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
Picks while they went out and did that. Yeah yeah,
and then you know you again, you follow it up out.
It took Carnell Lake.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
The way I remember it too. There was a lot
of talk that Woodson might go to the Olympics, which
is maybe why he dropped a couple spots, and I
think he held out for a while he did, yeah,
because of the Olympic stuff, right.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
So interesting it is. But yeah, that that's a heck
of an undertaking that.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Well can you imagine even just I thought he was
just gonna be the first round and then start two hundred.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
When when your editor gives you that task, they said, Okay,
I'm gonna go in the room for about three weeks, right,
don't bother me.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
I think you searched the internet like this. Has anyone
done this before? That I could take as a jumping
off point.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
I mean, last year you go to draft test free
dot com and you can kind of go through and
pick out dudes.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
Yeah yeah, I mean, who's doing through two hundred and
some picks. That's the thing you have to go. And
it doesn't sound like they went before the super like
Gail Sayers wasn't.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
Yeah, it was a super boil.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Okay, yeah, yeah, I mean at least you narrow it
down to what fifty five sixty drafts something like that.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
It's not very narrowing, no, And it's growing larger like
Leon Leon is growing larger.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
Two hundreds though too, Like who's even close? Right? First
round wouldn't be that bad, No, but you could.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
I mean you'd have to go through draft. Not fun.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
No, I like going through it.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
I would not want to come after about a week.
Your eyeballs are going. Yeah, all right, let's knock out
the next one lot of izine.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Yeah, what are you gonna do today? I'm gonna do
picks fifty eight through one hundred and twelve.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
Yeah yeah, Now I can't argue with a lot of
what he had on there either.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
I mean that was on SI dot com. Yeah, okay,
so it's just well done. Interesting cool. Yeah, absolutely, let's
get to a break. He is the Matt Williamson. I
am Dale Lallie. That's going to do it for our
number one of the drive.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
Here on the Steelers Audio Network Matt Now, I'll be
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At least.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on
your twenty four to seven Home of the Black and
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Speaker 3 (00:16):
And welcome to the Drive. I am Dale Lolly, he
is the Matt Williamson and we will not.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Be having Aaron.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Rodgers as a guest today.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
No, we were not not on this one.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Aaron Rodgers was a guest today on the Pat McAfee
show because he said his sister urged him get to
go on because there was a lot of bs out
there guarding his situation.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
I didn't hear the interview, but it sounds like it
was pretty inconclusive overall.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Well, I mean he did say some stuff. He said, Look,
I haven't signed with anybody to this point because I
have some stuff going on in my life right now
that I have have to take my attention.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Okay, that's fair, that's fair.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
I mean there are a lot of people these things,
if those things have to take precedent over whether you
play football or not next year, and the Steelers are
comfortable waiting, which obviously they are.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
I'm sure there's been back and forth in dialogue between you.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
He's been in contact with Mike Tomlin constantly.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Really okay, so no change obviously, which change I understand
gets frustrating.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
He said retirement is still a possibility. But I think
retirement is a possibility for him if the Steelers would move.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
On, Okay, I mean, there isn't another landing spot for it.
I don't see it.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
I don't see him going to New Orleans, for example.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
I don't either. I think they're going to draft one
and cars still in the mix. I mean, that doesn't
seem like a fit to me at all. Scheme finances,
you know, where the teams do it right, right, right? Yeah,
So they've been nice to get an answer. There's no
doubt it'd be nice to know before the draft. Maybe
they do know, I mean, or.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
I have a feeling again, Mike Tomlin has been in
constant content with Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
I guess Rogers.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Rogers said that he has a great deal of respect
for Mike Tomlin, even more so after meeting with him,
said he's been you know, he's had a relationship with
with Arthur Smith for a long time. They've known each other.
Tom Arth was with the Packers, the Steelers quarterback coach,
and Aaron Rodgers rookie year. So Aaron Rodgers is going
(02:27):
to be a Pittsburgh Steeling.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
You can feel pretty confident about it. Yeah, I do.
I have every step of the way. It's starting to linger,
which because you doubts, but the Steelers would have done something.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
This makes a lot more sense. Like him coming out
and you know he's waiting on the vikings, he's waiting
on it. You were everybody was guessing what was happening.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Yeah, that part didn't that up to me either. I mean,
it's Steelers are retirement for Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
For him to come out and say, look, no, I've
had some things that I've had to take care of
my life. I have some people who are dealing with
some illnesses in my He didn't say family. Yeah, yeah,
he deferred his family. That that he or his inner
circle or whatever you want to say.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
People are close to him, people that.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Are close to him, great, take care of that. Like
there's again, there's no rush here. The Steelers haven't done
anything on the football field, nor will they really until
after the draft.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
He's not under contract with the Steelers or anyone, so
he has no obligations financially or legally to anybody. I
mean he can take as long as he wants and
he has the money. Obviously, I don't know what else
to add to it, you know, I mean, so we're
still don't know any different in terms of a yes
or no. But at least it was something said from him,
(03:41):
and I think that clears things up a little a
little bit.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Yeah, yeah, again, that thats just add some clarity, gives
you some clarity to the situation. He's not holding out
waiting for somebody else. He did say he's told the
teams that he talked to, Look, I'll play for ten million.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
I did hear that? Oh they're going to give Aaron
rodgersion dollars. He's not worth that.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
I guess that wasn't true.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Huh. I doubt he signs a ten million dollar contract.
But it's not going to be forty five.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
It's not going to be forty five. It's not going
to be forty it's not gonna be it's gonna be something.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
I like that, Dan, did you like that?
Speaker 3 (04:14):
But this is this is just what we've been dealing.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
With, right everyone, they say people.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
The conjecture, the guess that worked there. Well, if you
pay Aaron Rodgers, you can't pay TJ.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
What No, right, that's o case at all. Right. Yeah,
So it's funny is all these people that think they
know really had.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
No clue, pretending that they I talked to Aaron Rodgers
once five years ago, and here's what I think.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
This is what he's up to, that's all.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
BS.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
I don't think he knows hundred percent, you know, right.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
That's that's the main thing. He doesn't know.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
What if?
Speaker 3 (04:44):
What if the situations that he is dealing with off
the field linger or turn worse?
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Right right right? You know what?
Speaker 3 (04:53):
I don't and I'm not going to even guess what
these things are.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Clue.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
But you know, again, how having dealt with stuff in
my own personal life, I can understand if you want
to take your time. If somebody's dealing with something really
bad in their life and there and they mean a
lot to you, take your time.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Yeah, But once you're in, this is what I've said
all long about Aaron Rodgers. Once you're in, you're in.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
That's the thing is when you jump on the ride,
the roller coaster is not stopping, you know what I mean,
let's go, We're not going to Egypt, We're no, you're in.
You get all that stuff out of the out of
your system, or deal with what you need to deal with.
It's more important in football. We all understand that that's
that there is things more important than football, believe it
or not. And hey, I mean he's not a young
guy either. I mean he's probably looking at his life
(05:40):
in a retrospective kind of way in some ways.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Here's the one thing I thought that he talked about
the way things ended with the Jets, and he wasn't
happy about that. He told them he still wanted to
keep playing.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Okay, important note, an important note, context clue.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
And they said no, they were they were going to
move on. And I guess it got a little contentious
or whatever, however you want to look at it. I
can't believe that a player of Aaron Rodgers' ability, that
is resume and status, right, would want that to be
(06:22):
the last the last thing that you saw, right.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
I mean, now, his body might disagree with him. And
that's the thing. He did have a major injury and
surgery not long ago. On his timeline. He's not young.
But if you want to play the Jets, I mean,
if there's truth to that that, hey, I wanted to
do this another year with you guys in New York.
(06:45):
Probably wants to do another year.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
He probably wants to play another year. He wants to
get that bad taste out of.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
His knows what he's capable of, and you know, maybe
he's not the player he was five years ago and
probably recognizes that, but probably doesn't want Frank with the
Seahawks to be the last thing you hear of them.
You know, Willie Mays with the Mets. You know that
kind of ye charge a million other rams? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
like that. Let me change that tune, you know, Yeah,
(07:11):
hopefully I mean hopefully we who knows.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
And quite frankly, I mean, if you look at it,
Peyton Manning in twenty fifteen with the with the Broncos,
Pet Manning was not the driving factor for the Broncos.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Winning a Super Bowl, bad neck injury, he was coming
off of why he was not a cult any But.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
What you got from Peyton Manning that season and it
happened against the Steelers in the playoffs that year. Steelers
are winning that game in Denver with Ben Roethlisberger with
an army couldn't raise above his shoulder, No, Antonio Brown,
and I think that was the year they're all run
together now. But the Steelers are winning that game and
(07:56):
Peyton Manning put together a drive.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Yeah yeah, summoned up An with his They.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Won that game for him because they had a really
good defense. They did, they did, and he made he
may basically I can remember there was one throw that
he kind of saw something at the line of scrimmage,
changed the play, hit the hit the steam route and
basically won them that game. But his overall numbers weren't great.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
No, he had a rough go of it. I mean
he couldn't drive the ball on out routes and things
like that, but there was still a bullet or two
left in the guy. No no, no, I mean yeah, yeah,
and knowing where to go to football, being smart, all
that stuff. Tom Brady. Now, Brady had more in the tank.
I would say he was better player at that stage.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
But he also had a heck of a lot more
offensively around him. I mean, we talked about that that
off snon I remember if you just gave you gave
that Tampa Bay Buccaneers team average quarterback play.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
I mean that was Winston coming off the thirty thirty year.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
With basically forty third Yeah, he had forty turnovers. He
lost over ten fumbles that year two in addition to
the thirty interceptions. Like if your quarterback just goes out
there and doesn't the ball over two times a game,
make that twelve or fifteen or twenty, which is what
Brady was able to do.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Yeah, and that's and Brady agreed with us. I mean
he looked at the situation like this is perfect for
me to land. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Now you've also brought up some other instances where it
didn't work out.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Sure, I mean we kind of went through this with
Wilson here.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Last year, but those players weren't the caliber player that
Aaron Rodgers was or Tom Brady or Peyton Mann.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Right right right, I mean some of the best I've
ever done it. Yeah, without question, So again, I who knows.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
I'm willing to give it a shot because A what
else do you got at this point? But B if
only if he is in one on being a Steeler,
being present at everything.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
And you but like you said, not before he signs
a contract, but the second.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Half, the second after.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Yeah, yeah, I don't care about all this stuff because
they're not doing anything on the field right now.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
No, he's not hurting the team he's not making. You know,
it's not a maybe it's a distract action, but who knows.
There's not anyone even in the facility working out. I mean,
it's everyone's on their own.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
I know some people. Well, there are OTAs start next week.
There are OTAs, and there are OTAs.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
The OTAs that start next week are just we're going
to have the building opened up. If players want to
come in and work out, you can come in and
work out. Coaches aren't involved, Yeah, the coaches aren't it.
It's just guys going and lifting weights, training together, that
kind of stuff. Then you have the draft, you have
your rookie mini camp.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
This's the fact you wrote. You said the sentence coaches
aren't involved.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Coaches aren't involved. You have your rookie mini camp that
it starts to be football ish, and that's where the
coaches get their hands on the young guys for.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
The first time. That's like freshman orientation.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
But you're not bringing Aaron Rodgers to that, no, no, no,
that's and then after that you involve the veteran players
in the coaches. So really you've got two or three
more weeks before the actual football off sage off season
training program really starts where.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
You would want him to be. Yeah, you know, I
mean if he starts missing those things, I think that's
a different conversation. That's the conversation from a year ago
in New York. Blah blah blah. Yeah, and by then
the drafts in the books, you've already major decisions of
should we draft a quarterback or what do we do
with disposition? Et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
And the difference is like, if he were still a packer,
he wouldn't need to be a thetas. No, no, you know,
the offense, you're not learning anything new.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Nobody cared if Ben was there. Yeah, well you're either
you know right then?
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Was there something? Sometimes he was, Sometimes he wasn't. A
lot of players are in and out of those things.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
I never really can Hayward's not there, No one cares, no, right.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
But for a new player on a new team, yeah,
kind of need to be there.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
To a degree, it would certainly be fruitful. I mean
just even the verbiage at the line of scrimmage, the terminology,
the communications. I assume Wilson was there last year. I
think so. Yeah, you know, I think it's I think
that's important. I'm the starting quarterback on a new team.
I want you there for those things.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Yeah, and I gotta learn these new receivers who can
do what?
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
So yeah, that's that's when it gets important. At least
it hasn't.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Then then well then we can complain about it or
you know, bring it back up. But I would hope
that answer has happened, hopefully by the draft, but certainly
by then. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
I mean that's when it gets really Now you're starting
to get closer to you know, three weeks from now,
you're just a couple of weeks away from mini camp,
and then once mini camp's over, you're done, your off
season program is finished.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
And it's quiet, quiet time. Yeah, but you'd like to
have some exposure at that point, right, you know, even
if it's cousins or car or whoever. I mean, you'd
want your starting quarterback to be around.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
That's what you would hope. I mean that doesn't mean
that's what's going to happen, but I mean we've seen
instances in the past where quarterbacks have gotten injured in
training camp and you bring somebody else in and.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Yeah, yeah it's quarterback. I don't know. The encouraging thing,
assuming everybody wants them to be a stealer, to me
is constant communication with the head coach, and I wanted
to play. I wanted to come back to the Jets
and play. You know. That implies to me that he's
leaning that way. You know, if he was drifting off
in the sunset, would those two things come out of
(13:08):
his mouth. Probably not. But again I'm speculating.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Yeah, I mean, that's what it always, right, And this
just ends some of the speculation, not all of it, but.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Some of it. I do think people were hoping to
get an answer. He's going on the air, he's gonna
say yes or no, we didn't.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
But well, yeah, quite frankly, I'm kind of happy he
didn't do it that way just to go on. I'm
gonna go on the McAfee show and make a big pronouncement.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's just shows have to happen, right.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
No, the circus is still in towent.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Everyone thought he'd be walk out on stage, you know,
and McAfee was here and all that too, and yeah,
maybe it's not just a big look at me circus situation.
It's just ID see the little time.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
I need time.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Yeah, and I get it. I mean totally upfront with
the Steelers that way too.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
It's it's really not all that different than the last
few years, a few years of Ben Roethlisberger's career. He says, look,
I need some time before I decide whether I'm gonna
play or not.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Not uncommon for any athlete. I mean they're under contract
with their new teams.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Once you reach a certain age. Okay, and I know, oh,
Chuck Nolan said, if you're thinking about retirement, then you retire.
That was forty years ago. It's a different game today.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
It's a lot more money involved. There's a lot more
off season. I mean, some of those guys like sold
insurance and.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Yeah, they didn't have the full season train year round, right, Like, Okay,
if you're thinking about retirement in nineteen seventy five, I
get it, because you get another job that you do
on the side that maybe you just want to do that.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Yeah, guys didn't play into their late thirties and early forties.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
I mean it was then too, but it's just a
huge commitment to say yes, I'm in because it's diving
in with both feet. Like you said, they're not sneaking
off the Egypt. You're not going into a dark or
half or whatever, right right, I mean you need to
constantly train your mind, your body, everything about it. And
it's a big commitment and it's a longer seed. It's
(14:58):
a lot more money involved of that. You know, people
played later if they want. There's I'm sure he has
his own private quarterback coach and you know all that
stuff too that Bradshaw didn't have. And of course you know,
so it's just a lot more involved.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
So what Chuck Nole said forty years ago or fifty
years ago really doesn't doesn't factor into this.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
No, I'm sure there's been I bet we could come
up with ten football players in the last couple of
years Kelsey or whoever. Yeah, thought about retirement and came
back and didn't and he came back and played well,
right right right? You know again, you're either in or
you're out. But if you're in, you got to be in.
And that's what you're deciding right now. Do I want
to put my body through this again? Right? Right? Right?
I mean it is a strain, yeah, and doesn't sound
(15:39):
like money is the most important thing to him, which
is that's thought That was good to hear too. Yeah,
that's not we'll play for ten million, but I get
what he's saying.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Yeah, anyways, let's get to a break. He is the
Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly. You're listening to the
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Speaker 2 (16:01):
At this, he's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt
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Speaker 3 (16:14):
We are back. I am Dale LOLLI he is the
Matt Williamson and Matt I saw this today on SI dot.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Com their.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Matt ver Damie Vetera, Amy, I guess or urder Army.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
I forget how pronounce him. He's been in the business
for a while.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Been in the business for a while. He put together
the top picks at every spot in the in a draft.
I'm up from the history of the game. Oh okay,
I thought he was predicting this upcoming draft. Okay, like
who was the best twenty third pick overall or whatever? Like,
So we go through some of these, Okay, see if
we agree.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
It's funny. We talked with Bob yesterday about you know,
some the Steelers picking twenty one lynch Wan. You know
it was one of them, right right, that's a pretty
good one.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
It's a good one. Yeah, yeah, all right. So first overall,
how do you get narrow that down? So he chose
Peyton Manning. But here are some of the other guys
who were chosen first.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
I mean there's a million of them. Yeah, obviously they're
gonna be good. O J.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Simpson, Yeah, Terry Bradshaw.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Say what you want about O. J. Simpson. I think
he's one of the most underrated backs in the history
of the league.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Leeroy Selman, Earl Campbell, John Elway.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
I say Elway comes to mind for me, is immediate.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Bruce Smith, Troy Aikman, I get it. I mean three
Super Bowls?
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Orlando Pace and Miles Garrett.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Okay, pretty good list. Peyton Manning, all right, I mean
there's I might go Elway too. I think Lweih would
be my pick. Yeah, I mean Manning was great, don't
get me wrong, but Elway was It would be.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
My pick number two overall. His pick is Lawrence Taylor
in nineteen years say LT to me stands out on
this one. The honorable mentions Randy White in seventy five, Oka,
Tony Dorset in seventy seven, Eric Dickerson in eighty three,
A lot of running backshre Marty.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
You say that the Cowboys got dor set in seventy
seven when they were already like one of the best
teams in the league.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
I traded, I know, I know, Marshall Falcon ninety four,
he was two. Yeah, Tony Basselli in ninety five, Julius
Peppers in two thousand and two, and Saquon Barkley in
twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
I think lt is the choice. Yeah, good golf. Yeah,
I mean, I'm not sure who beats him at any level.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Number three overall, going back to nineteen eighty, he went
with Anthony.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Munos, maybe the best OFFENSI facult ever life.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Offensive tackle for the Bengals. The honorable mentions mile my No,
I would go to this guy, Barry Sanders in eighty nine,
not bad, Cortez Kennedy in ninety Hall of Famer Andre
Johnson in two thousand and three. Also Hall of Famer
Larry Fitzgerald in two thousand and four, and Joe Thomas
in two thousand and seven. I would say Barry your moneo,
(18:53):
I'm going Barry Santas, okay, yeah, but that's yeah, Yeah,
they're both strong candidates. Fourth overall, going back to nineteen
seventy five, it.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Was Dion right after Barry in the same draft. I
don't know if he was four or five. I think
he was five. His number four pick is Walter Payton
in nineteen five. Not too shabby.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
The honorable mentions Joe Green in sixty nine. Anybody either, right,
John Hannah in seventy A lot.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Of people think Joe Green was the first pick in
the draft and he was not. He wasn't.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Yeah, yeah, John Hannah in seventy three, Dan Hampton in
seventy nine, Derek Thomas in eighty nine, Jonathan Ogden in
ninety six.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Derek Thomas was the same year as Barry Sanders that draft.
We're going to get the d on so good, right, yeah?
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Wow, Charles Woodson in ninety eight, and Trent Williams in
twenty ten.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Strong as you would imagine. I mean, there's serio, who
is it. If Joe Green comes in second, that's pretty good. Yeah. Uh.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Number five is Dion Sanders nineteen eighty nine, same class. Wow,
honorable mentions Mike Kynes.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
What's funny is Manderich went to that year. Oh yeah,
and all these other Hall of famers went right after
the Packers.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Mike Haynes in seventy six, the cornerback Junior Seau in ninety.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Junior Sale I a monster, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Ladanian Tomlinson in two thousand and one.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Okay, and then they got Drew Brees in next round.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Yeah, and Khalil Mack in twenty fourteen.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Pretty good. I guess I'd go with Dion six.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Walter Jones in ninety seven.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Oh man, you talk about I mean, everyone knows how
good he is, but I think he was as good
as any player I almost ever scouted. I mean I
was in charge of the NFC West when I was
at the Browns, and him and pace For in their prime.
By the fourth quarter, people just stopped rushing the passer
against those guys just played the run. It was crazy
to watch.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
The honorable mentions John Riggins in seventy one, James Lofton
in seventy eight, Jim Covert in eighty three, Pitt Tim
Brown in eighty eight, and Julio Jones in twenty eleven.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Julio's got a good case. We talked about him, we retired.
Who was number one? Could they pick Walter Jones? Oh yeah, good? Good?
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Number seven overall Adrian Peterson two thousand and seven is
his pick.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Pretty ridiculous career.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Not many honorable mentions here, though, there's one that could
push his way into this over Adrian Peterson Sterling Sharp
in that eighty eight, Champ Bailey in ninety nine.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
That's pretty good.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Josh Allen in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Oh, I think he'll end up with the title of.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Five years from now. Adrian Peterson's getting bumped off.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Yeah, yeah, I think Peterson's the It's terrible, say like
the weakest one.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Bar you know, Number eight, Ronnie Lott forty nine Ers
in eighty one.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
He's probably unlike the all time defensive back team, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
The honorable mentions Larry Zonka in sixty eight, Mike Munchak
in eighty two, eh, Willie rof in ninety three, Christian
McCaffrey in seventeen.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Good not amazing.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Yeah, yeah, number nine overall, Bruce Matthews by the Oilers
in eighty three. Your honorable mentions Brian Erlacker in two thousand,
Tyron Smith in twenty eleven. Luke Keickley in twenty twelve.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
We talked about Tyron Smith yesterday, the day before Keithley
will go to the Hall of Fame. I think Smith
will also.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Number that's kind of week, yeah, Number ten overall. Patrick
Mahomes in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
I'm on board with that.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Here are the other guys though, Marcus Allen in eighty two, good,
Rod Woodson in eighty seven, Jerome Bettison ninety three.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Okay, little Steeler contingency there, right, Nice Mahomes is hard
to talk, hard to be right.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Woodson's not bad. Yeah, pretty damn good. Number eleven overall,
it's some argument here. He goes with JJ Watt.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
He's gonna go to the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
The other picks Michael Irvin in eighty eight, okay, Ben
Roethlisberger in two thousand and four, DeMarcus ware in two
thousand and five, and Patrick Willis in two thousand and seven.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
I don't have a problem with WA quarterbacks are strong though.
I mean, obviously they can't get a big contingency there.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Number twelve. Warren Sap in nineteen ninety five by the Buccaneers.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
And he fell he fell, you know, I mean I
remember watching the draft. They were talking about him being
the best player in the draft.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
The interesting part his honorable mention includes nobody really, there
must be no Hall of famers drafted at twelve twelve. Okay,
number thirteen, Aaron Donald, Saint Louis, I's twenty fourteen. Your
honorable mentions Franco Harris in seventy two. Good, Kellen Winslow
(23:50):
in seventy nine, Tony Gonzalez in ninety seven.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
It's pretty strong.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Must be where you take tight ends.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Get the tight end number fourteen Loveland or Warren goes thirteen.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Yeah, to move Darrel Reeves in two thousand and seven,
Good by the Jets. The honorable mentions Randy Gratishar in
seventy four. I think he's in Yeah, Yeah, Jim Kelly
in eighty.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Three US by way of USFL. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Fifteen once again just one guy, Alan Page offensive face
at all time, very defensive tackle for the Vikings nineteen
sixty seven. No honorable mentions. Sixteen guy the Bob Labriola
talked about on our show yesterday.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Jerry Rice, Yeah, pretty good.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Eighty five. The honorable mention in I wonder.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Where the Steelers picked that year, because I remember him
saying they had all this interest and he went right
before the Steelers picked.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
The honorable mention is Troy Paulamalo in two thousand and three.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Not a bad runner up. There's definitely some Steelers on here.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Seventeen is EMMITTT. Smith running back Dallas Cowboys nineteen ninety
the uh.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
We're having Irvan the same year. No, they were won apart.
Irvan was eighty eight, are you Nine?
Speaker 3 (25:11):
The honorable mentioned Gene Upshaw in sixty seven and Steve
Hutchinson in two thousand and one.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Okay, that's prettyasy. Want to say there.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Eighteen Art Monk in nineteen eighty he's in the Hall
of Fame. No honorable mentions again, Okay, that's pretty weak spot.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Nineteen Marvin Harrison nineteen ninety six. The honorable mentions are
Roger Worley in nineteen sixty nine and Randall McDaniel in
nineteen eighty eight.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Not super strong either.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Twenty is Jack Youngblood with the Rams in nineteen seventy one.
Your honorable mentions Steve Attwater in nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Reach in Hall of Famer. I might put Atwater over
young Blood twenty one. Wait, eighteen nine, twenty aren't so great?
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Where the Steelers draft this year? Randy Moss Minnesota Vikings
nineteen ninety eight. EFL.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Dyson went ahead of them, which is weird.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Yeah, the honorable mention is Lynn Swan.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Nice bout your wide receiver. Seventy four?
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Yeah, twenty two. I bet there's several seventy four's on
this list. He went the whole way through the draft,
So I bet you can find nineteen seventy four Steelers
all the way through twenty two, justin Jefferson. Yeah, I
think that's worth twenty twenty. Nobody in the honorable mentions wow, okay,
(26:37):
twenty three. Ozzie Newsom the Browns in nineteen seventy eight.
Oh fame or easily the honorable mentions Ray Guy.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
I'm sorry, yeah, yeah, no, I mean it sounds like
if you're in the Hall of Fame. He mentions, apparently.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Yeah, yeah, but that was not a good draft pick
to take Ray Guy in the first round in the
nineteen seventy three draft.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
I'm sorry. Even if you are the best punter ever,
you could be the Yeah, it could be number one.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
It's for eternity.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Yeah, yeah, couldn't you got him in the second round?
Speaker 3 (27:07):
I would think so.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Same with Janikowski. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
The other honorable mention is ty Law in nineteen ninety five,
two quips on there, there you go. Twenty four Ed
Reid two thousand and two. The honorable mention Aaron Rodgers
in two thousand and five. I'm sorry, but Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Got to go over it reads it amazing. Don't get
bad player, amazing, right, but Aaron Rodgers is. I remember
being a fan back then hoping Reid got the Steelers
and it was like two or three picks ahead of
him that Ravens snagged him.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Twenty five is Stanley Morgan with the Patriots in nineteen seventy.
He's not a Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Yeah. I guess if you put somebody there, somebody hit
because there's no honorable mess. Yeah, that's the weakest spot.
What number was that? Twenty forty five?
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Ray Lewis at twenty six nineteen ninety six with the Ravens.
The honorable mentions your same.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Year as Ogden, and I don't think Ogden got mentioned
early in the draft. Yeah he did, did did? Okay,
you should.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Joe Delu the Malaik Delamaur, Dilomelauri. Yeah, Bill and Alan
Fanica in ninety eight. Okay, not bad. I would go
with Lewis twenty seven. Dan Marino nineteen eighty.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Three also kind of slipped, but a strong quarterback draft.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Yeah. Uh. The honorable mention is DeAndre Hopkins.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Probably not a Hall of Fame I don't think so. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Twenty eight. Derek Brooks with the Buccaneers in nineteen ninety five.
The honorable mention is Darryl Green in nineteen eighty three. Okay, yeah,
twenty nine Harrison Smith with the Vikings in two thousand two.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Probably not a Hall of Famer. Yeah, really good career,
but probably not a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
The honorable mentions are Chris Bielman in eighty eight and
Nick Mangold in two thousand and six.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Okay, that's probably the weakest spot so far. Give your today.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Thirty j Watt. Nice It's Burg Steelers twenty seventeen. So
both Watt brothers, two of the three brothers over Eric
Allen nineteen eighty eight and Reggie Wayne two thousand and one.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
He should be number one on that list.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Yeah, thirty one. Cameron Hayward Wow Steelers in twenty eleven.
The honorable mention is Curly Culp in nineteen sixty eight.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Hall of Famer.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
I think, yeah, yeah, Hayward Hall of Famer. I think wow, yeah, yeah,
I think he's on his way thirty two. Lamar Jackson, Yeah,
I think that's fine. Honorable mentioned Drew Brees in two
thousand and one, but.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
He was the second rounder. There must have been thirty
two to thirty teams at that point.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Yeah, okay, Lamar versus Drew Brees is a conversation.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
It is it is. I mean, I don't know how
many does Breeze have any MVPs? I would think one.
I think he has at least one. Yeah, he is
a super Bowl yeaheah. I mean he's got a ton
of passing titles in stats.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
That's a that's a carversation.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
It is.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Brett fav Is at thirty three doesn't give you honorable
mentions for some of these other spots. Let's see here.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Then they traded him a year after that.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Yeah, well he had some stuff.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Oh he did. Just I'll go through the.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Stuff here that Steeler related as we go through.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
The rest of this year, it'll go all the way
down to lake Go do that.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Two hundreds, Yeah, forty four Dermani Dawson nineteen eighty eight. Nice, nice,
I think he's the best center of all time.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
You too, he'd be my vote.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Derrick Henry's at forty five, forty six. Jack Lambert Pittsburgh
Steelers nineteen seventy.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Four, say that drafted me pretty well represented.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
I think it's gonna you might see a bunch of those. Yeah,
let's see her.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Webbe and you know, yeah A J.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Brown, Ken Stabler at fifty two and sixty eight, fifty three,
Mel Blunt Pittsburgh Steelers nineteen seventy.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
How does he last in the second round.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
He's a small school guy that I know.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
I mean, it's just kind of sixty four and incredibly
physically imposing. I get it.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Let's see here, Pat Swilling, Brian Dawkins, Tony Hill sixty three,
Travis Kelcey, Yeah that sixty four. Dan Fouts nineteen seventy three.
That late, let's see here sixty seven.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Ken Anderson, Okay, has a strong Hall of Fame case,
but probably doesn't get in.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
I think he eventually gets in, but it's got a wow. Yeah,
it's been too long. Seventy five, Russell Wilson with the Seahawks.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Yeah, well that guy in the third round.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Absolutely Artschell all the way down at nineteen eighty from
nineteen sixty eight, eighty two. Joe Montana in nineteen seventy nine. Nice,
we got uh, oh, there's heinz Ward ninety two, nineteen
ninety eight.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
A lot of Steelers on there, lot of Steelers on
this fifteen.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Ninety four, Thomas Everett, Wow, nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
It's a good player, but he the same as Woodson.
Draft at Woodson, Dalton Hall, and Everett. I remember one
year that went they had three defensive backs in their
top four picks.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
You got Joe thisman of the Dolphins in nineteen seventy one.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Dolphins drafted him, they trade him right away.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Yeah, he went to the well, he went to the CFL.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Oh yeah, back in nineteen seventy four, came back with Washington. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Uh one O four d White White nineteen seventy one,
Pittsburgh Steelers. One O college. They don't list to college.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
I can't remember the White White's college.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Yeah, like Alabama's something or other, I don't know, somewhere down.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Yeah, it wasn't sure if he was a historical Black
college or not.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
Max Crosby at one o six and twenty nineteen, Oh
like that, Yeah, had some stuff. Let's see here. Kevin
Green by the Rams in nineteen eighty five at one thirteen. Yeah,
Hall of famer, Herschel Walker by the Cowboys in nineteen
eighty five by way of USFL Yeah. Interesting. Steve Largent
(33:18):
by the Oilers in nineteen seventy six.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
He's phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Imagine if he has stayed with the Oilers.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
I forgot he was an Oiler.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
First they had the expansion Draft.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Yeah, that's how that worked. Okay, Yeah, so how did
you get this? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (33:30):
Mark Brunel was won eighteen by the Packers in nineteen
ninety three.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Packers drafted a bunch of quarterbacks. He drafted your quarterback, Yeah, hasselback, and.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
You know Hardy Nickerson nineteen eighty seven, Steel Beck with
the Steelers at one twenty two.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
That's the fourth round.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Yeah, one twenty five. Mike Webster nineteen seventy four. They
did okay in that seventy four draft, one twenty eight.
Barry Sanders nineteen ninety or Barry Foster, Barry Foster ninety
begot that's kind of what you're hoping for in this draft.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Yeah, i'd get that kind of that neighborhood.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
Uh. Let's see here, Isaiah likely already making the list
at one thirty nine from twenty twenty two. That's a
little it has to be so rich after at won
thirty nine, it has been somebody else that drafted at
one thirty nine that makes that list. Let's see one
fifty Greg Lloyd nineteen eighty seven. Steelers are pretty good
(34:28):
in that eighty seven draft.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
They're represented quite well here, to be honest with you. Yeah,
East Texas, A and M from Tyler, And it was
somewhere I knew. It was a small, tiny school, right.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Tyreek Hill at one sixty five in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
He had off the field stuff. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
Gary Anderson won seventy one by the Buffalo Bills in
nineteen eighty two.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
No, he wasn't a Steeler peck.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
He was not a Steeler pick.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
I assume that he has caught him early and.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
One eighty three Bo Jackson Raiders nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
And it would have been one. Oh yeah, I mean
I think he was one by Tampa. He was, and
then he went and played baseball baseball and came back in.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
Nineteen seventy wide receiver Dave Smith by the Steelers.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
I don't know Dave Smith. Let's see.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Nineteen one ninety five. In twenty ten picked one ninety
five Antonio Brown by the Steelers.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Yeah, that's an easy one, I'm sure.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Yeah, Terrell Davis at one ninety six, So two Hall
of famers back to back should be Hall of famers.
And then one ninety nine Tom.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Brady, Yeah, obviously. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
So six rounds? Where you mind these.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Two oh three?
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Richard dentka three like when you hit in the sixth round,
you hit in the sixth round, when you don't you
get some of these other gus reaches?
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
David Tyree, oh wow Yeah. Tim Ritay, Okay, we're getting there.
We're really four scrape in the bottom of the barrel.
Tom Nalen, Okay, imagine putting this list together. Oh, Mark
Clayton with the yeah yeah, and number two twenty four
Jay Ratliffe defensive tackle, Cowboys two thousand and five. Okay,
(36:21):
that's a heck of a list he put together? Is
Perdy not on there is the last one he only
went to two twenty four for some reason.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Oh okay, I don't know what number he was, but
he's later than that. Yeah. Nice, So yours very well.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
Represented, extremely well represented on that list.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Yeah, there's a couple of What's kind of funny is
there was a couple spots in the first round that
weren't that great.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
I don't know how John Stalworth didn't make the list.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
What pick was John stalwars the second rounder? Right?
Speaker 3 (36:44):
No, he's a fourth rounder?
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Fourth rounder?
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Yeah, I gotta look that up now. In nineteen seventy four,
what what overall pick was? He was eighty six?
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Eighty second was number?
Speaker 3 (36:57):
There you go, eighty seven can pick according to Toller,
and it is correct. Webby was the one twenty five?
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Who did you have? Eighty two? But I mean, John
Stalworth at least has to be an aorable mention, I
would think.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
And my computer is frozen up.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
Oh yeah, oh wait, we can investigate that. Have the break?
Speaker 3 (37:17):
If we have, we can look into that. We're gonna
get to a break, won't wait?
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Wait? Whoop? Ye? Nope?
Speaker 3 (37:21):
Maybe not nope? Yeah, there goes eighty two on this list?
Was this is good radio?
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (37:31):
This sits we're gonna get the break, all right, we'll
do We'll do the break.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly. You're listening
to the Drive here on the Steelers Audio Network. We'll
be back with more right after this.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
At least.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williams on
your twenty four to seven Home of the Black and
Gold Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
And we are back.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
I'm Dale Lolly. He is the Matt Williamson. And it
was Joe Montana who went over John Stone, so I
get it.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
We were double checking his work and back did a
pretty good job. He did a pretty good job.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
I'm not looking here to see if there's any other
Steelers through the years that may have made that list.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
That I'm just trying to kick around, like late round
picks that were huge successes, like Antonio Brown's, like the
Poster Channel.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Yeah sure, yeah, I'm just looking here at some of
these ones that didn't have any honorable mentions. We had
some players that was like a little sketchy, like Art
Monk at eighteen had no honorable mentions.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
That's funny. Yeah, well eighteen nineteen twenty I remember was
pretty weak.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
Marquise Pouncey was the eighteenth pick in the twenty ten draft.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Oh really, it should be an honorable mention at least,
I mean minimum. We've got some other guys on this
list that are like, I mean a minimum. I think
Pouncey's a Hall of Fame finalist.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
Yeah he has to. Yeah, where are the goods? Going
back a little bit more here? I mean max starts
at seventy five.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
Heck, yeah, my number was wolf picked.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
Punch, Yeah, nineteen okay, I was just looking there for
Casey Hampton. First rounds tough, first round is difficult, but
there were some that only have one guy listed, And
I'm like, okay, I.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Remember eighteen nineteen twenty ish, we're not real real strong.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
Troy Edwards, that's a new.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Like I don't remember. Like wil Fork's name you mentioned.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
No, that's another one. Like the defensive tackles kind of
get a little.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Yeah, they got a little short. I remember Richard Seymour's name.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
I'm just thinking, yeah, some of those guys didn't didn't
cut the mustard there? Ninety four, no ninety three, no
ninety two?
Speaker 1 (39:52):
What pick is? The Steelers have the eighty third pick
this year as well. Yes, that's right in the Stalwart
neighborhood Stalworth of Montana bo when eighty two. Right, yeah, right,
so you can get some there has been good stuff
mined in that neighborhood.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
Absolutely, Dawson was a forty fourth pick.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
That was a good one.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
That eighty seven draft was Rod Woodson at ten, Delton
Hall at thirty eight, Charles Lockett at sixty six, and
then Thomas and then Everett ninety four, Hardy Nickerson.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
That's doesn't get talked about enough.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Maybe it was like one twenty two draft and then
Greg Lloyd at one fifty.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Oh wow, that's the pretty think about rebuilding your defense.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
That's a pretty good one. I mean also got Meryl
Hodge Hodge that year at two sixty one.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Not like Belton Dalton Hall was a bad player, but
you get Woodson, Everett, Lockett, Lloyd for your defense for
the next ten years or whatever.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
When Charles Lockett was a wide receiver.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
Who do I missing that?
Speaker 3 (40:45):
There was four got Woodson, there was four starters, Everett, Everett, Lloyd,
and I guess that was really Cood Nickerson Nickerson Nickerson.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Yeah, they were four, big time guy.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
That's how you rebuild your team on the because they
were bad. Yeah yeah, yeah, eighty seven, eighty eight, they
were not.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
A good football secondary must have been horrible. Yeah, first four.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
Picks while they went out and did that. Yeah yeah,
and then you know you again, you follow it up out.
It took Carnell Lake.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
The way I remember it too. There was a lot
of talk that Woodson might go to the Olympics, which
is maybe why he dropped a couple spots, and I
think he held out for a while he did, yeah,
because of the Olympic stuff, right.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
So interesting it is. But yeah, that that's a heck
of an undertaking that.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Well can you imagine even just I thought he was
just gonna be the first round and then start two hundred.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
When when your editor gives you that task, they said, Okay,
I'm gonna go in the room for about three weeks, right,
don't bother me.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
I think you searched the internet like this. Has anyone
done this before? That I could take as a jumping
off point.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
I mean, last year you go to draft test free
dot com and you can kind of go through and
pick out dudes.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
Yeah yeah, I mean, who's doing through two hundred and
some picks. That's the thing you have to go. And
it doesn't sound like they went before the super like
Gail Sayers wasn't.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
Yeah, it was a super boil.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Okay, yeah, yeah, I mean at least you narrow it
down to what fifty five sixty drafts something like that.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
It's not very narrowing, no, And it's growing larger like
Leon Leon is growing larger.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
Two hundreds though too, Like who's even close? Right? First
round wouldn't be that bad, No, but you could.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
I mean you'd have to go through draft. Not fun.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
No, I like going through it.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
I would not want to come after about a week.
Your eyeballs are going. Yeah, all right, let's knock out
the next one lot of izine.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Yeah, what are you gonna do today? I'm gonna do
picks fifty eight through one hundred and twelve.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
Yeah yeah, Now I can't argue with a lot of
what he had on there either.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
I mean that was on SI dot com. Yeah, okay,
so it's just well done. Interesting cool. Yeah, absolutely, let's
get to a break. He is the Matt Williamson. I
am Dale Lallie. That's going to do it for our
number one of the drive.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
Here on the Steelers Audio Network Matt Now, I'll be
back with our number two right after this
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