June 26, 2025 • 40 mins
Matt and Dale create their own top 25 lists for the most important Steeler players heading into the 2025 season. They also discuss the futures of division foes in Cleveland and Cincinatti.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
At least he's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt
Williamson on your twenty four to seven Home of the
Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
And welcome to the Drive. I am Dale Lowie. He
is the Matt Williamson and I don't often do this
with Matt. Yeah, yeah, but I gave him some homework
and now.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
I got home in the dog days of summer.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
I often just to pull back the curtain. We often
don't talk about ahead of time what we're going to
talk about, right, because we want to show to be conversational,
like we're just hanging.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Out and talking about us and jolling out right.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
But the conversation I wanted to have today is the
top twenty five most important Steelers going into the twenty
twenty five season. Yeah, and this might cover two segments.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Here, I bet it will. We've got a lot of
names to talk about. So I don't know what your
process was. This was mine. I took a blank Excel
spreadsheet and I just started writing the or jotting down
any name that I thought might be in the conversation,
knowing I had to get about half the roster on
there given take, you know, and then I put him
into three categories, A, B, and C. A's are really important.
(01:27):
C's are lower and important was a weird word to me.
I kind of looked at it like, who can you
at least afford to lose, you know, so kind of
like we did this last year. Pickens might not be
the best player, but he was a tough Lewis right
right right, I mean just on the roster construction. So
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I ended up with twenty six names when I did that.
So my just missed was Johnston the punter. Yeah, he
just missed for me, okay, because I think he's really good. Yeah,
And people probably like, well, you're fine with weightman, but
if it's week two and weightman's playing for the Raiders,
it doesn't do you any good. You got lucky with
weight man. Chances are not going to keep two and
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have that backup.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Chances are a weight man, he's either going to get
scooped up if they have to release him, or somebody's
going to trade for him.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
I think that's the plan. You could get a pick
out of him, wonderful, you know, even if it's a seven, right, okay,
better than nothing right, yeah, which I think you will.
I would give him a seventh for him in a heartbeat,
or and if I'm Omar, I'd try this trick. I'll
give you a seven and weight man for a six,
you know, right, you know that's that type of move.
So that's worth a roster spot just going into the camp,
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absolutely right.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
So at twenty five, okay, I have Darnell Washington.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
He's on my list, but I'm not too far away. Okay,
I have made some rude off. Let's do it this way. Okay,
let's go twenty through twenty five for each of us.
All right, give you your your bottom five then or whatever.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
So at twenty I have Isaac Samlu okay. At twenty one,
I have Deshaun Elliott. Okay, twenty two I have Mason McCormick.
Twenty three is Caleb Johnson, twenty four is Roman Wilson.
Twenty five? Do are not Washington?
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Wow? Not very similar? Okay. I have a lot of
those names on the list. The guards aren't going to
be mentioned for a while because I worry about the depth,
not that they're the best players. That's a hard thing
to wat.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
I don't worry so much about depth of guard as
I do tackle.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
If I were to lose one. I mean you'll see.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
I mean, if you're going to lose one, teerer guys, yeah,
that can step in and play. If it's one, you're fine.
Whose both of them at the same time, that would
be that's right or right like any position.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Yeah, with that logic, maybe I have those two a
little too high. But here are my bottom five again.
Johnston was twenty six, so he's out. I have Rudolph
at twenty five just considering Rogers age. Yeah, I get it.
Positions obviously super important. Hopefully he doesn't take one snap
this year, but I don't want a rookie out there
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no matter what. Calvin Austin is twenty four him, you
must have him higher, which I totally understand. And I'm
not operating under the assumption that there is another receiver
because there isn't one right now. You can't be Roman
Wilson did not make my list. Washington was twenty three. Okay,
(04:34):
he plays a lot of snaps. He does. I mean
you can look at him like, oh, he's a backup
tight end. Anybody can lose that. Some team's good, some
team's good, you know. I mean, we both have him
pretty close. I think you.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Can survive though for game or two if you you
can change how ORG charge things. So you had him
like twenty five or twenty four, I am at twenty five. Yeah,
so actually that's one of the guys we've been closest on.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
I have twenty three. I have Elliott at twenty two.
I think he was you're five here, right, he was
it twenty one? Yeah, okay, A lot of that's just
thorn Hill's good.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Yeah right, that was my thinking.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
I think Elliott's a really good player. You know, I
would hate to lose. You have a right, last year
he'd be hired on the list, right, you know, if
we did this week ten last year or something like that,
he'd be high on the list. Then I had Peyton
Wilson at twenty one.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
He's on my list, I'm higher, I get it.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
But another that's another one, Wilson and Elliott. I kind
of looked at the same of I really like the
third guy for a two position spot.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Yeah, I could live with a whole thinking with with
Peyton Wilson, was it if he can take the next step, Yeah,
then you've really got something there.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
So I do a mail bag on my DK podcast
and for some reason a million people ask me today
about Wilson and Queen and Hulcombe. I don't know why
linebackers are on everybody's mind, but a lot of people
ask me, should Wilson maybe be the green dot guy?
And I didn't dislike they worked with that some Yeah
yeah in mini camp. I mean you always have a backup. Yeah. Well,
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he's always two right, right, right? And I just thought
Queen's such a run and hit player. I'm not saying
Queen's dumb and Wilson's smart, right, Queen is so reactive
and fast. If you just take something off his plate
and just sick them, I'd be interested.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
The other thing is that you know Holcomb can also.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Do it exactly exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
So you'll have two guys going in every game if
one of those highly capable, yeah, if one of those
other two guys is injured, Wilson or Queen, you know
you sell Hulk them as well.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
I wonder if Harrison can do it too. I mean,
you don't want to get to the point, but I
bet he could too. Yeah. Okay, So those were my five.
I add Elliott or wils paston Mate and Wilson, Elliott,
Washington Austin Rudolph.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
I find it interesting you didn't have Roman Wilson on there.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
He's not on there at all.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Did you have Caleb Johnson on your twenty five?
Speaker 3 (06:53):
He's coming up? Okay?
Speaker 2 (06:55):
So I had Roman Wilson on my twenty five because
of what I think he can be and what he
can provide get it for this offense.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
I didn't because I don't know this second that he's
going to beat out Robert Woods for the third guy.
I think he will. I hope he will, you know,
But is there a difference there? I'm not one hundred
percent sure. I like to weekend the camp, I might
be like, there's a huge difference. Yeah, I don't know,
you know.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
I just think he's he I mean, he's a former
third round pick. They had plans for him when they
drafted him.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Yeah yeah, Mini camp was impressive, but he should be
for him, right right.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
So I just think that that's That's where I'm at
with that. Okay, let's go fifteen through nineteen. At fifteen,
I have keon U Benton.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
At sixteen, I have Calvin Austin Okay. Seventeen I have
Darius Slay. Eighteen, I have Peyton Wilson, and nineteen I
have Derek Carmon.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Wow, we don't have a lot of correlation here, So
I went, did you give you your twenty because I
ended with you? Okay, because I ended with twenty one
with okay, okay. At twenty I have Herbig okay. Sawyer's
not the same, but he is a backup. Herbig didn't
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make my list, okay, okay. At nineteen I had Caleb Johnson. Okay,
you mentioned him already, right, yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Haven't him at twenty three. At eighteen, I had Queen Okay,
I have him a little higher, which I get, and
you hope he should be higher, you know, like I
hope he's indispensable because he's playing so well. But I
could live with Hulcombe and Wilson is my linebackers. At seventeen,
(08:52):
I have Warren Okay, I have him and Johnson pretty close.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
I have him higher, okay. And then fifteen sixteen was
Ciamalu McCormick. Okay, And if I were to redo this,
I might move him down a little because again I
liked your point of I can live without one of them. Yeah,
because some of these guys are going I mean people
on sster are gonna get hurt, right right, right, You're
gonna have to experiment with it.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
And it's not all about who you can live without.
I think it's kind of about as well, what they
what can they do, what they do for your team,
and the possibility of what they can do for your team.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
That's why I haven't mentioned the first round pick yet. Okay,
you know, but he's soon to come. Yeah, And that's
why you did have Wilson though, you know Roman a
lot of Wilson's on.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
The state, and I had Calvin Austin is sixteen. I
know you had him lower, just because right now he's.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
The two pretty important.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I think he took a big
step last year now.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
I like where he's at in his career. Arc. Yeah,
it's not a knock on him. I just don't know.
Well again, I kind of said, I don't know who's
ahead of Wilson and Woods. I mean, I don't know
that your three receiver set would be terrible with those
two in Metcalf compared to be worse. All these guys
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be worse if they're out obviously, right, Okay.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Let's do our top. I guess I would let's.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Not go to let's do after ten like eleven and
the lower so eleven through fourteen. I have Jalen Woard
in eleven okay, Patrick Queen at twelve, m Joey Porter
Junior at thirteen, Zach Frasier at fourteen Okay, we don't
have a lot of overlap here. Eleven, I have Roderick
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Jones okay, and I wanted to put him higher, but
I have him much higher, which I understood, But I
just think everyone above him on this list is noticeably
better football player.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
That wasn't necessarily what we're looking for.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
I know, I know, but if he's my worst of
my five offensive, things don't go well for him, and
he's a liability, I could afford to lose him. But
I don't like the third tackle situation either. That factored
into it. And I believe if he hits well then
he would be way higher. But to me, he's an unknown.
What are the ten guys I have above him? I
(11:19):
know are pretty good? All right? So Roger Jones was eleven,
Boswell was twelve, okay, Benton was thirteen, Harmon was fourteen.
We're not that far off in some of these. I
bet not. Yeah, we're not.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
We're not far off at all. I have Warren as
high as I do at eleven, just because I think reliability,
especially early in the season. I think they're gonna lean
on Jalb Warren more than they're gonna lean on Caleb Johnson.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
I mentioned the podcast I did with the Mailbag that
was another big topic. Then I thought, I don't think
there's any chance Johnson unseats Warren's passing down role, right,
that's his, that's his. Maybe gain Well takes ten percent
of it or something here and there. It gives them
a breather, and that's a pretty big chunk of the
running back touches as it is. So that leaves the
early down stuff kind of between Warren and Johnson, which
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early on I said that's fifty to fifty at most,
I mean maybe even Warren's what.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
It was last year, our last couple of years. I
mean it has been pretty much like a fifty five
to forty five split even.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Yeah, yeah, more narrow than that. And that was with
an established guy, where Johnson isn't yet. But I also
said I'm hoping by November the early down stuff favors
Johnson sixty five thirty five, and that could be the case,
you know, because Warren still has the big his own
area there. Yeah. Yeah, And so the answer to my
(12:54):
final question was, I think Warren leads the backfield and
touches Johnson, probably edges him out by the end, and
carries if everybody stays healthy, which they will, right, You.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Know, I had Fraser at fourteen.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
McCollum's not terrible.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
He's not terrible, right right, And I think Fraser is
an outstanding football player, same with Joey Porter, same with
Patrick Queen. But I think that when we get to
the top ten, those guys for me, are going to
be much more invaluable.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Yeah, I have some of those guys pretty high. You
have not mentioned Boswell. I have not, will you What
do you think? I assume? So I assume he didn't.
I mean, if you mentioned Johnston, you didn't forget about
the specialist. Yeah. He was a tough one for me
because I think he's the best kicker in the world
and I think Fraser is like the third best center,
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and then drop off would be noticeable for both players.
But it's also not the hardest position to find an
average guy well placekicker could be a huge drop off.
Could be you probably wouldn't get as lucky as the
weightman pickup. No, you know if it's especially if it's
mid season, right right. But who is a dude they
(14:21):
had in camp that's bounced around the league? The smaller guy,
right right? I mean you probably end up with somebody
like that and hope for the best. Yeah, you a
top ten. On the other side, there's a.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Top ten when we come back. He is the Matt Williamson.
I'm Dale LOLLI. You're listening to the Drive here on
the Steelers Audio Network. We're going through our top five
twenty five most important Steelers going into the twenty twenty
five season. We'll do our top ten right after this.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamsons
on your twenty four to seven home of the Black
and Golds in Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
And we are back. I am Dale Lowie. He is
the Matt Williamson and we're going through our top twenty
five most important Steelers heading into the twenty twenty five season.
We've given you our eleven through twenty five. Do we
want to do a recap of that?
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Yeah? Quickly?
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Not go ahead and give your eleven through twenty five.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
All right, eleven, Roderick Jones twelve, Boswell thirteen, Benton fourteen, Harmon.
You see I clustered them, and then I clustered Siamalu
at fifteen, McCormick at sixteen, Warren was seventeen, Queen was eighteen,
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Caleb Johnson was nineteen, Herbig at twenty, Peyton Wilson twenty one,
Elliott twenty two, Washington twenty three, Austin twenty four, Rudolph
twenty five, Johnston just miss. That's cheating. It is a
little bit cheating.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
So I have at eleven, Jaylen Warren, twelve, Patrick Queen thirteen,
Joey Porter Junior fourteen, Zach Frasier fifteen, Keanu Benton sixteen,
Calvin Austin seventeen, Darius Slay eighteen, Peyton Wilson nineteen, Derek
Harmon twenty, Isaac Salemalu twenty one, Deshaun Elliott twenty two,
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Mason McCormick twenty three, Caleb Johnson twenty four, Roman Wilson,
and twenty five Darnell Washington.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Okay, there's a fair amount of differences. So yeah, we
just showed we did not know. We did not collaborate
on this at all elaborate. Let's not do five at
a time. Here, who's your ten, Let's do the top ten.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
So at ten, I have Chris Boswell.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Okay, I had him at twelve, so that's actually quite close.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
At nine, I have Alex Highsmith.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
I do too. Oh that's the first one I think
we've had exactly the same. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
At eight, I have Pat Fryarmouth.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Okay. At seven, I forgot Friarmuth. He's on my list.
Oh that's stupid. I put Washington on there, but I
didn't put Friarmoth. And you, I just screws everything up
because he should be right in this neighborhood. Oh, Matt,
come on, dude, give me.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
I gave you one, you give me one job.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
What's weird is I forgot Washington at the end too,
And that's why I have twenty six. So I just
forgot about all the tight ends, domb.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
And it's in a team that uses three tight ends.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
So right right, Okay, Well, I'm gonna he's gonna be
writing this neighborhood, so I'm gonna I have screwed everything out.
It's seven.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
I have true seven, I have Troy Fontano. Okay, it's six,
Aaron Rodd.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
I you'd fought Faltona at seven, yeah, and you'd high
Smith at nine. Yeah. I have those two as well. Oh,
they're exactly those same spots.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
At five, I have Menka Fitzpatrick.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Mm okay.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
At four, I have Roderick Jones.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Wow. Okay, and I have him at four. I'm shocked
you have him the head of Faltana.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Well, here's the thing. He's the left tackle, and if
he can't play left tackle, that really screws up the
season in a lot of big ways.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
They don't grow on trees.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
They don't grow into trees. Yes, you can move Fulton
to left tackle, but you'd probably have but you don't
want to do that. The other way around would be
better to your point, right right, that's the plan. That's
what they want to do. He's got to be at
least league average left tackle.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
He was my biggest X factor for the season, you know,
without question. Ok So that's why I have him at four. Okay,
I get it real quick. I bet if we were
to do this, or if we asked two similar hosts,
it wouldn't be as good at this as us for
thirty two different teams. Where's their left tackle at on
the list? I bet on average it's like fourth. Yeah,
(19:22):
you know, I mean some of them are obvious, like wharfs,
and you know the great one, of course, would be
super high. Well that's even the average ones would be
super high. That's why I have him at four. I
get it.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
I guess it's a really important position.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
At three, I have dk Metcalf Okay, at two I
have TJ.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Watt. One is Cam Hayward. We're not far off. So
if I were to put Friarmouth on the list, which
I I would have him actually twelve, I would have
him behind Broderick Jones, who I had eleven, and ahead
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of Boswell, who I had at twelve. Did you Friar
Muth or Boswell higher?
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Friar Muth Okay, because I think he is right now
their second. He's gonna get the second most volume in passing.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Yeah, yeah, that's why I because of position, I have
him behind Jones, but and ahead of Boswell. And I'd
hate to lose Boswell, and that'd be a lot of points. Yeah,
but Joe average kicker off the street would be bad.
But at least it's Joe average kicker. You can't find
a starting tight end, you know, you can't find a
left tackle, all right, So then my top ten I
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have Slay at ten high Smith. We both had at nine.
Frasier I had at eight, understanding that centers aren't the
hardest thing in the world to replace. And McCollum's fine,
but I think he's an All Pro. Yeah, you know,
I get it. Yeah. I had Fouled fal Tanu at seven.
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I just think he's going to be better than Jones,
you know. I think he's a really good player. Yeah,
that's the thing. These are my best players. But obviously
position matters too. Mink I have at six, which I
think is one spot off of you five. Yeah, okay, uh,
Porter I have at five.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
I had him lower. He owed him much lower, and
you slay much lower thirteen. I had the corners at
thirteen and seventeen.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
I had him at five and ten. I'm worried about
that third outside guy. I mean, I want to play
more man coverage. That's a position that doesn't grow on trees.
It's not offensive tackle. But I that's one we kind
of differed on. Metcalf was four. I think these ones
are real similar. Metcalf was four, WT was three, Cam
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was two, Rogers was one. He's a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Yeah, but you also had Mason Rudolf.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
He's on the le he was twenty fifth.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
But right, well now he gets bummed for Firemouth.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Yeah he's gone. He's gone. Yeah. Most important to me
is Rogers. But you could also make the argument I
can win games with Rudolph. Yeah, you know, I can
get through a month. I don't want to get through
seventeen games. Right. If this is playoffs, I definitely want
(22:18):
Rogers would be won. But that's not how we tructured it.
I thought about putting Cam ahead of him, and we
both put Cam ahead of Watt, which I think is
an interesting conversation. And a lot of it was just
the splits when he was on and off the field.
Think yeah, and but I thought Harmon helps alleviate that though,
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as does Black and the other defense. They are there.
They obviously were aware of it this offseason. They're better
off to deal with that now than then. And I
wonder what the splits are with him without what I mean,
we've seen games with them without him?
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Yeah, all right, right, record is right. I think that's
different now than what he used to be. I think
they're better prepared for that situation.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Yeah, yeah, so we're not that far off. I think
I valued corners more than you did. You valued tackles
more than I did. I screwed up on Friarmouth and
didn't do the assignment properly. I don't think there was
other massive changes. I was a little the safety linebacker situation.
(23:30):
I can live with losing one, but Minka to me
still had to be pretty high. Yeah. You know, I
think we're only one spot off on it.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
And that doesn't discount We're not saying those guys aren't important,
right right, They're very important current structure that the different
of the team is different than it has been.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Absolutely, Like Minka, if you think he's the same player
as who was last year, probably is a different spot
on this list. You know, I think he was even
more valuable last year just because Thornhill could do it
more better than Kaz could you know what I mean?
Things like that, if they were to add a receiver,
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would it change things to you? Like a true number two?
It depends on who he is. Yeah, yeah, I guess
that's on an easy conversation. If it's Amari Cooper something
like that, would Austin still be on your list? But
Roman Wilson, I think Austin would. I don't regret not
having Roman Wilson off.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
But he was a just missed because the other thing
that Austin does is he's your punt returner and he
gives you know, some explosiveness there.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Yeah, right right, that has value. It's an interesting conversation. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
So just going over the top twenty five lists as
a whole. At one, I have Cam Hayward two, TJ
Watt three, DK metcalf four, Roger Jones five, Make Fitzpatrick six,
Aaron Rodgers seven, Troy Otane. I value those tackles a lot,
and we really, you know, they need those two guys
(25:02):
to hit Matt.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
They're the biggest two of the biggest X factors on
the team without questions. Yeah, well he makes that important. Yeah. Eight.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
I have Pat Fararmouth nine, Alex Highsmith ten, Chris Boswell eleven,
Jaylen Warren twelve, Patrick Queen thirteen, Joey Porter Jr. Fourteen,
Zach Frasier fifteen, Keanu Benton sixteen, Calvin Austin seventeen, Darius
Slay eighteen, Peyton Wilson nineteen, Derek Harmon twenty, Isaac Saamalou
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twenty one, Deshaun Elliott twenty two, Mason McCormick, twenty three,
Caleb Johnson, twenty four, Roman Wilson, and twenty five Darnell Washington.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
I wonder how many names you have that I don't
and I have that you don't. I know, Roman Wilson's
one that you don't or that I don't have on
my list. Well, now that you're bumping Mason Rudolph off, yes,
and it's only one, then I must have somebody you don't. Oh,
Herbig didn't make your list? My list all right? Mine
one through twenty five Rogers, cam Watt, Metcalf, Porter, Minka Faltanu, Frasier,
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high Smith, slayh Roderck Jones, Friarmouth, Boz Benton, Harmon, Ciamalu, McCormick, Warren, Queen,
Caleb Johnson, Herbig, Peyton Wilson, Elliott, Washington, Austin Rudolph, and Johnston.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Got the poop, got the boot because you screwed up
the assignment I did.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
On the on the tight ends. I was mad at
myself at the very end, I'm like, I forgot about
Washington he should be on there, and didn't even think
of the guy ahead him on the depth chart. Yeah.
I even pulled up our lads, like like I needed
for this team, you know, like I don't want to
miss anybody. You don't miss anybody again, missed all the
tight ends. Yeah, yeah, it happens.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
But it's a it's an interesting list, And I think
if you did this assignment for a lot of teams,
I don't know if you'd come up with twenty five
players as good as he's twenty five.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Yeah, I mean, like the fact that I might even
giving a hard time for not having Herbig on there.
Herbig's them. It's a really good player. I mean, it's
one of the better edge pass rushers in the league.
You know Conston, yeah, Exactually he might be the best
punter in the league, you know, right, Like you would struggle.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
To come up with twenty five you'd be naming.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Starters right right, right, But like, I'm sure the Ravens
could come up with twenty five easy. Bengals and Browns
not so much so much. I mean, obviously important means
a lot, but that doesn't mean the players is.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Good, right, you know what I mean, Like, I'm just
talking about the quality of player that's on that list.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think that's a good point.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
When we talk about, you know, overall, the overall roster,
this is what we're talking about. This is a quality roster.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
It is if you get twenty five high quality players
that are going to play a ton of snaps, that
in itself has value. Yeah right. I would bet almost
every team has all five offensive linemen listed. Yeah, unless
you're like really bad at like well, now I think
about it, No, because some teams are so bad at
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right guard that three guys are competing for the spot.
They all stink, And what's the difference who wins it?
You know what I mean? Right? Maybe the fact that
you have all five O linemen is like, well, thest
we have something that not anybody else does. You know,
last year, the old line would have been an interesting one,
Like would her Big have been on there at that
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point he was a starting center, you know, Daniels would
have McCormick probably wouldn't have made it. You would think
foul Tawnu and Fraser would be on there. Like every year,
your first and second round pick would probably make it.
You know, Steeers gonna have a second round pick this year.
I wonder if you do this every year, how many
rookies make it too? I mean always, I would think
the first round picks is going to be in your
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top twenty.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Five, right right, So interesting little way to look at things.
We do this pretty much every year.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
But it's like power ranks, so I urge our listeners
give it a try, right right. Yeah, it's not just
who's the best player, you know, don't just give me
their PFF grades or some nonsense, you know what I like?
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Yeah, I put some thought into it, wor right? What
do they mean to the team?
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (29:36):
What does the position mean to the team?
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Yeah? Is it something you could find on the streets
and live with, you know, or bump up Harrison and
then find a guy in the street to be his guys.
That's why I had.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
For example, the tackles ahead of the cornerbacks. Yeah, you
can find street level free agent cornerbacks who can go
out there and be a.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Okay, yeah, it's still one of the rarer positions though.
I mean, it's not safety your linebacker, it's not.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
But you know, there are lots of reclamation projects at cornerback.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
There's at least somebody on the street right this minute.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
There's so much fluctuation from year to year. Yeah, at
the position tackles, you have it or you don't, right.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
All right, you couldn't get one today. No, you know,
you could get a corner that would that will end
up in the league, yeah, you know, or even make
a trade.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Yeah, you know, there's nobody to strain you a tackle
now start.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
They don't get traded, right, yeah, right right, No, the
tackles are the rare spot.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
In the world.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Yeah, that's quiet theory. Yeah. Anyways, let's get to a break.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
That was fun. It is he is Matt Williamson. I
am Dale Lolli. You're listening to the Drive. You're on
the Steelers Audio Network, Matt and I'll be back with
more right after.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
This at He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt
Williams on your twenty four to seven home of the
Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
And we are back. I'm Dale Lollie.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
He is the Matt Williamson and Matt the two Ohio teams. Yeah,
both angling for some they have some stadium issues going on.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Oh yeah, We've been talking about that a lot this week.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
So Cleveland had in that county, Ogi County the art
Modell Law, which which said that.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Basically if.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
The team was going to be sold or how did
it work, if the team was going to be sold,
they had to offer or move I should say, they
had to offer the team to up for sale. You
had to put the team.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
Up for sale they want to move. Okay, a law
because of what happened with art Modell. For you people
are too young. They left in the middle ofite basically
became in the Baltimore. They let them.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
They knew a year ahead of time that they were leaving.
So the Ohio legislator legislation, I should say, passed a
law as part of an amendment to the state state
budgets that will allow Ohio pro sports team who play
in tax supported facilities to move within Ohio when their
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leases expire.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
So they could go to Acrid or Columbus or something
like that.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
As we know, the Browns and they're supposed to complete
the purchase today, have bought our buying land in suburban
brook Park, which is out by the on the western side.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Of the city, and.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
They want to build an indoor stadium. Yes, the city
of the Cleveland was fighting them on this because that's
not in city limits or that's not in the city.
I mean, it's still be called the Cleveland Browns. Yeah,
but right, right, right, it's kind of like a Giants
in Jersey thing, right, Well, it's not not out of state. Yeah,
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there's a lot of a lot of football teams who
are called whatever aren't in the downtown.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
They're not the Foxborough Patriots, right right, right, right, So
basically the legal issue has been removed because they're staying within.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
They're staying within, yeah, right, so they.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
There's no loopholes or whatever, so they're going to do
it right. Cincinnati also has an.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Issue Cincinnati's leases up with pay Court Stadium, but according
to Jason Williams of the Cincinnati Enquirer, they have a
deal in place to keep the club playing at Baykoor
Stadium at least until the mid twenty thirties.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Okay, these conversations are hard for me because I don't
understand legislation. I live under a rock. I only know
about football. If you are leasing the state, okay, you're
the county that Cincinnati's in, or you're the city of Cincinnati.
So talk to me like, I'm a first grader and
I have this stadium and I'm leasing it to the
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Cincinnati Bengals. If the Bengals decide they no longer want
to be my occupant, what goods the stadium going to
do me anymore? Not a lot? Yeah? Okay, I mean
like Springsteen comes down and great, I put him in there.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
But maybe Cincinnati, you know, the University of Cincinnati, Yeah,
would use it or whatever.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
But I mean really only have like one client, I guess,
is my point. It is like largely how could they
not make a deal, you know what I mean? Or
wouldn't the team hold more power in this situation.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Like well, unless you can get somebody else to build
you a new one where you have plans to build
a new one. The lease was set to expire after
this season, which is why that was such a pressing issue.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
But back to your original conversation, Bengals in the city
can't come to a conclusion they want to move the
Bengals to Saint Louis. They couldn't have done it before
they would have to put them up for sale. First. No,
that was that was a Cleveland room, a lot Okay,
that's on the Ohio rule. I don't believe, okay, okay, okay,
So they could move them to Saint Louis if they wanted, Yeah, okay, okay,
(35:41):
I just didn't know who has the rights to do
those things. I mean, the league would have to approve it.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Yeah, the Bengals had. The Bengals had until June thirtieth
to extend their current lease. Okay, so they're running out
of time on this. I just wonder how negotiations go.
It's kind of like I have this car and there's
only one person can drive it.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
So at the same time, you know, the teams always
want upgrades, Yeah, things of that nature.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
There's things that you want, like Soldier Field got a
massive facelift that I'm sure the Bears didn't pay entirely for. Yeah.
So in five years, we expect the Browns will be
playing in a dome in a different community near Cleveland,
in the Cleveland suburbs and Cincinnati, probably to be in
(36:27):
the same building. Yeah, maybe with some innovations.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
I think the Brown Stadium is set to open in
twenty twenty nine.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
Okay, so I'm just guessing on five years. But yeah, yeah,
down the Rock. I mean, that's going to be their
long term home sooner than later.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
But neither are moving out of the state of Ohio, gotcha,
which also can be called the state of confusion.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Any mixed feelings about a dome in Cleveland. I don't
like it. I assume they look at it like we
can get a Super Bowl. Now. I don't know how
much money that matters, but it has to be pretty big. Yeah,
I mean I would at least have a retractable they could,
but I don't. I don't know that I see that. Yeah,
they just.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Every year the super Bowl, right, but every year we
you know, we talk about it all the time. There
are a couple of games in Cleveland that are weather
affected in a major way.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Massively, maybe more than any city in the in the league,
because it's right on the lake, right right, and it
hits you quick.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Yeah, they're moving Inland.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
I guess they wouldn't be right on the not right
on the lake anymore. I'm sure wind will be less
of an issue then like that.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
But I mean, I'm sure they're looking at this as
well from a parking standpoint. Oh that's you know, getting
in and out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, not the Cleveland Stadium
was the Brown Stadium was tough to get in and
out of. It could be, but the parking city parking
situations not great.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
Really. I would say that I had an employee spot,
i'dn't have to worry about that. But I mean, I
don't know that park.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
You're parking right along the lake in the winter time, Oh.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
It had to be horrible walking and out and that
kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
There were times when I saw the waves in the wintertime,
like the first two rows that park right along the lake.
Those cars were covered in a sheet of.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
Ice and ice water splash lake. Wow. Totally different conversation.
Well not totally, but some of them people out there
want to revoke my Pittsburgh tough guy weather card. But
I kind of think Green Bay, Minnesota, Cleveland, Buffalo in
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a perfect world should have a retractable roof that if
the day you were up there, when you couldn't even
get out of your hotel room, put the roof up.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
But the problem that comes, Okay, you can put the
roof up, but fans can't get to the game.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
Well there, I guess that's that point too, right.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
And if you put the roof up, did you get
so much snow. But the game happened either way, but
it happened a couple of days later because nobody could
get there.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
Nobody could get there, So that particular day that they
played the game, it wasn't the craziest weather ever.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
No cleaning up after the weather, Like what if Minnesota
didn't have a dome.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
I mean, I don't know that to be humanly health, Okay,
to play some of the games.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
When I was up there for the week for the
Super Bowl, I don't know that the temperature ever got
out of the out of these single digits, and oftentimes
it was negative.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
Oh. I bet yeah. And I bet that's not their
most difficult December January on record either. No, I mean,
I'm sure there's way worse, right.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Right, So, but the Browns and Bengals both staying in
their respective cities.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Brown's definitely with a new building.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Yeah, So let's get to another break. That's going to
do it for our number one of the drive here
on the Steelers Audio Network. Matt and I will be
back with our number two right after this
At least he's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt
Williamson on your twenty four to seven Home of the
Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
And welcome to the Drive. I am Dale Lowie. He
is the Matt Williamson and I don't often do this
with Matt. Yeah, yeah, but I gave him some homework
and now.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
I got home in the dog days of summer.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
I often just to pull back the curtain. We often
don't talk about ahead of time what we're going to
talk about, right, because we want to show to be conversational,
like we're just hanging.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Out and talking about us and jolling out right.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
But the conversation I wanted to have today is the
top twenty five most important Steelers going into the twenty
twenty five season. Yeah, and this might cover two segments.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Here, I bet it will. We've got a lot of
names to talk about. So I don't know what your
process was. This was mine. I took a blank Excel
spreadsheet and I just started writing the or jotting down
any name that I thought might be in the conversation,
knowing I had to get about half the roster on
there given take, you know, and then I put him
into three categories, A, B, and C. A's are really important.
(01:27):
C's are lower and important was a weird word to me.
I kind of looked at it like, who can you
at least afford to lose, you know, so kind of
like we did this last year. Pickens might not be
the best player, but he was a tough Lewis right
right right, I mean just on the roster construction. So
(01:48):
I ended up with twenty six names when I did that.
So my just missed was Johnston the punter. Yeah, he
just missed for me, okay, because I think he's really good. Yeah,
And people probably like, well, you're fine with weightman, but
if it's week two and weightman's playing for the Raiders,
it doesn't do you any good. You got lucky with
weight man. Chances are not going to keep two and
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have that backup.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Chances are a weight man, he's either going to get
scooped up if they have to release him, or somebody's
going to trade for him.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
I think that's the plan. You could get a pick
out of him, wonderful, you know, even if it's a seven, right, okay,
better than nothing right, yeah, which I think you will.
I would give him a seventh for him in a heartbeat,
or and if I'm Omar, I'd try this trick. I'll
give you a seven and weight man for a six,
you know, right, you know that's that type of move.
So that's worth a roster spot just going into the camp,
(02:40):
absolutely right.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
So at twenty five, okay, I have Darnell Washington.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
He's on my list, but I'm not too far away. Okay,
I have made some rude off. Let's do it this way. Okay,
let's go twenty through twenty five for each of us.
All right, give you your your bottom five then or whatever.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
So at twenty I have Isaac Samlu okay. At twenty one,
I have Deshaun Elliott. Okay, twenty two I have Mason McCormick.
Twenty three is Caleb Johnson, twenty four is Roman Wilson.
Twenty five? Do are not Washington?
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Wow? Not very similar? Okay. I have a lot of
those names on the list. The guards aren't going to
be mentioned for a while because I worry about the depth,
not that they're the best players. That's a hard thing
to wat.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
I don't worry so much about depth of guard as
I do tackle.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
If I were to lose one. I mean you'll see.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
I mean, if you're going to lose one, teerer guys, yeah,
that can step in and play. If it's one, you're fine.
Whose both of them at the same time, that would
be that's right or right like any position.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Yeah, with that logic, maybe I have those two a
little too high. But here are my bottom five again.
Johnston was twenty six, so he's out. I have Rudolph
at twenty five just considering Rogers age. Yeah, I get it.
Positions obviously super important. Hopefully he doesn't take one snap
this year, but I don't want a rookie out there
(04:12):
no matter what. Calvin Austin is twenty four him, you
must have him higher, which I totally understand. And I'm
not operating under the assumption that there is another receiver
because there isn't one right now. You can't be Roman
Wilson did not make my list. Washington was twenty three. Okay,
(04:34):
he plays a lot of snaps. He does. I mean
you can look at him like, oh, he's a backup
tight end. Anybody can lose that. Some team's good, some
team's good, you know. I mean, we both have him
pretty close. I think you.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Can survive though for game or two if you you
can change how ORG charge things. So you had him
like twenty five or twenty four, I am at twenty five. Yeah,
so actually that's one of the guys we've been closest on.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
I have twenty three. I have Elliott at twenty two.
I think he was you're five here, right, he was
it twenty one? Yeah, okay, A lot of that's just
thorn Hill's good.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Yeah right, that was my thinking.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
I think Elliott's a really good player. You know, I
would hate to lose. You have a right, last year
he'd be hired on the list, right, you know, if
we did this week ten last year or something like that,
he'd be high on the list. Then I had Peyton
Wilson at twenty one.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
He's on my list, I'm higher, I get it.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
But another that's another one, Wilson and Elliott. I kind
of looked at the same of I really like the
third guy for a two position spot.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Yeah, I could live with a whole thinking with with
Peyton Wilson, was it if he can take the next step, Yeah,
then you've really got something there.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
So I do a mail bag on my DK podcast
and for some reason a million people ask me today
about Wilson and Queen and Hulcombe. I don't know why
linebackers are on everybody's mind, but a lot of people
ask me, should Wilson maybe be the green dot guy?
And I didn't dislike they worked with that some Yeah
yeah in mini camp. I mean you always have a backup. Yeah. Well,
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he's always two right, right, right? And I just thought
Queen's such a run and hit player. I'm not saying
Queen's dumb and Wilson's smart, right, Queen is so reactive
and fast. If you just take something off his plate
and just sick them, I'd be interested.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
The other thing is that you know Holcomb can also.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Do it exactly exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
So you'll have two guys going in every game if
one of those highly capable, yeah, if one of those
other two guys is injured, Wilson or Queen, you know
you sell Hulk them as well.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
I wonder if Harrison can do it too. I mean,
you don't want to get to the point, but I
bet he could too. Yeah. Okay, So those were my five.
I add Elliott or wils paston Mate and Wilson, Elliott,
Washington Austin Rudolph.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
I find it interesting you didn't have Roman Wilson on there.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
He's not on there at all.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Did you have Caleb Johnson on your twenty five?
Speaker 3 (06:53):
He's coming up? Okay?
Speaker 2 (06:55):
So I had Roman Wilson on my twenty five because
of what I think he can be and what he
can provide get it for this offense.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
I didn't because I don't know this second that he's
going to beat out Robert Woods for the third guy.
I think he will. I hope he will, you know,
But is there a difference there? I'm not one hundred
percent sure. I like to weekend the camp, I might
be like, there's a huge difference. Yeah, I don't know,
you know.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
I just think he's he I mean, he's a former
third round pick. They had plans for him when they
drafted him.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Yeah yeah, Mini camp was impressive, but he should be
for him, right right.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
So I just think that that's That's where I'm at
with that. Okay, let's go fifteen through nineteen. At fifteen,
I have keon U Benton.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
At sixteen, I have Calvin Austin Okay. Seventeen I have
Darius Slay. Eighteen, I have Peyton Wilson, and nineteen I
have Derek Carmon.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Wow, we don't have a lot of correlation here, So
I went, did you give you your twenty because I
ended with you? Okay, because I ended with twenty one
with okay, okay. At twenty I have Herbig okay. Sawyer's
not the same, but he is a backup. Herbig didn't
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make my list, okay, okay. At nineteen I had Caleb Johnson. Okay,
you mentioned him already, right, yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Haven't him at twenty three. At eighteen, I had Queen Okay,
I have him a little higher, which I get, and
you hope he should be higher, you know, like I
hope he's indispensable because he's playing so well. But I
could live with Hulcombe and Wilson is my linebackers. At seventeen,
(08:52):
I have Warren Okay, I have him and Johnson pretty close.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
I have him higher, okay. And then fifteen sixteen was
Ciamalu McCormick. Okay, And if I were to redo this,
I might move him down a little because again I
liked your point of I can live without one of them. Yeah,
because some of these guys are going I mean people
on sster are gonna get hurt, right right, right, You're
gonna have to experiment with it.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
And it's not all about who you can live without.
I think it's kind of about as well, what they
what can they do, what they do for your team,
and the possibility of what they can do for your team.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
That's why I haven't mentioned the first round pick yet. Okay,
you know, but he's soon to come. Yeah, And that's
why you did have Wilson though, you know Roman a
lot of Wilson's on.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
The state, and I had Calvin Austin is sixteen. I
know you had him lower, just because right now he's.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
The two pretty important.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I think he took a big
step last year now.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
I like where he's at in his career. Arc. Yeah,
it's not a knock on him. I just don't know.
Well again, I kind of said, I don't know who's
ahead of Wilson and Woods. I mean, I don't know
that your three receiver set would be terrible with those
two in Metcalf compared to be worse. All these guys
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be worse if they're out obviously, right, Okay.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Let's do our top. I guess I would let's.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Not go to let's do after ten like eleven and
the lower so eleven through fourteen. I have Jalen Woard
in eleven okay, Patrick Queen at twelve, m Joey Porter
Junior at thirteen, Zach Frasier at fourteen Okay, we don't
have a lot of overlap here. Eleven, I have Roderick
(10:42):
Jones okay, and I wanted to put him higher, but
I have him much higher, which I understood, But I
just think everyone above him on this list is noticeably
better football player.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
That wasn't necessarily what we're looking for.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
I know, I know, but if he's my worst of
my five offensive, things don't go well for him, and
he's a liability, I could afford to lose him. But
I don't like the third tackle situation either. That factored
into it. And I believe if he hits well then
he would be way higher. But to me, he's an unknown.
What are the ten guys I have above him? I
(11:19):
know are pretty good? All right? So Roger Jones was eleven,
Boswell was twelve, okay, Benton was thirteen, Harmon was fourteen.
We're not that far off in some of these. I
bet not. Yeah, we're not.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
We're not far off at all. I have Warren as
high as I do at eleven, just because I think reliability,
especially early in the season. I think they're gonna lean
on Jalb Warren more than they're gonna lean on Caleb Johnson.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
I mentioned the podcast I did with the Mailbag that
was another big topic. Then I thought, I don't think
there's any chance Johnson unseats Warren's passing down role, right,
that's his, that's his. Maybe gain Well takes ten percent
of it or something here and there. It gives them
a breather, and that's a pretty big chunk of the
running back touches as it is. So that leaves the
early down stuff kind of between Warren and Johnson, which
(12:20):
early on I said that's fifty to fifty at most,
I mean maybe even Warren's what.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
It was last year, our last couple of years. I
mean it has been pretty much like a fifty five
to forty five split even.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Yeah, yeah, more narrow than that. And that was with
an established guy, where Johnson isn't yet. But I also
said I'm hoping by November the early down stuff favors
Johnson sixty five thirty five, and that could be the case,
you know, because Warren still has the big his own
area there. Yeah. Yeah, And so the answer to my
(12:54):
final question was, I think Warren leads the backfield and
touches Johnson, probably edges him out by the end, and
carries if everybody stays healthy, which they will, right, You.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Know, I had Fraser at fourteen.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
McCollum's not terrible.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
He's not terrible, right right, And I think Fraser is
an outstanding football player, same with Joey Porter, same with
Patrick Queen. But I think that when we get to
the top ten, those guys for me, are going to
be much more invaluable.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Yeah, I have some of those guys pretty high. You
have not mentioned Boswell. I have not, will you What
do you think? I assume? So I assume he didn't.
I mean, if you mentioned Johnston, you didn't forget about
the specialist. Yeah. He was a tough one for me
because I think he's the best kicker in the world
and I think Fraser is like the third best center,
(13:59):
and then drop off would be noticeable for both players.
But it's also not the hardest position to find an
average guy well placekicker could be a huge drop off.
Could be you probably wouldn't get as lucky as the
weightman pickup. No, you know if it's especially if it's
mid season, right right. But who is a dude they
(14:21):
had in camp that's bounced around the league? The smaller guy,
right right? I mean you probably end up with somebody
like that and hope for the best. Yeah, you a
top ten. On the other side, there's a.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Top ten when we come back. He is the Matt Williamson.
I'm Dale LOLLI. You're listening to the Drive here on
the Steelers Audio Network. We're going through our top five
twenty five most important Steelers going into the twenty twenty
five season. We'll do our top ten right after this.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamsons
on your twenty four to seven home of the Black
and Golds in Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
And we are back. I am Dale Lowie. He is
the Matt Williamson and we're going through our top twenty
five most important Steelers heading into the twenty twenty five season.
We've given you our eleven through twenty five. Do we
want to do a recap of that?
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Yeah? Quickly?
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Not go ahead and give your eleven through twenty five.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
All right, eleven, Roderick Jones twelve, Boswell thirteen, Benton fourteen, Harmon.
You see I clustered them, and then I clustered Siamalu
at fifteen, McCormick at sixteen, Warren was seventeen, Queen was eighteen,
(15:52):
Caleb Johnson was nineteen, Herbig at twenty, Peyton Wilson twenty one,
Elliott twenty two, Washington twenty three, Austin twenty four, Rudolph
twenty five, Johnston just miss. That's cheating. It is a
little bit cheating.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
So I have at eleven, Jaylen Warren, twelve, Patrick Queen thirteen,
Joey Porter Junior fourteen, Zach Frasier fifteen, Keanu Benton sixteen,
Calvin Austin seventeen, Darius Slay eighteen, Peyton Wilson nineteen, Derek
Harmon twenty, Isaac Salemalu twenty one, Deshaun Elliott twenty two,
(16:37):
Mason McCormick twenty three, Caleb Johnson twenty four, Roman Wilson,
and twenty five Darnell Washington.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Okay, there's a fair amount of differences. So yeah, we
just showed we did not know. We did not collaborate
on this at all elaborate. Let's not do five at
a time. Here, who's your ten, Let's do the top ten.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
So at ten, I have Chris Boswell.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Okay, I had him at twelve, so that's actually quite close.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
At nine, I have Alex Highsmith.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
I do too. Oh that's the first one I think
we've had exactly the same. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
At eight, I have Pat Fryarmouth.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Okay. At seven, I forgot Friarmuth. He's on my list.
Oh that's stupid. I put Washington on there, but I
didn't put Friarmoth. And you, I just screws everything up
because he should be right in this neighborhood. Oh, Matt,
come on, dude, give me.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
I gave you one, you give me one job.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
What's weird is I forgot Washington at the end too,
And that's why I have twenty six. So I just
forgot about all the tight ends, domb.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
And it's in a team that uses three tight ends.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
So right right, Okay, Well, I'm gonna he's gonna be
writing this neighborhood, so I'm gonna I have screwed everything out.
It's seven.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
I have true seven, I have Troy Fontano. Okay, it's six,
Aaron Rodd.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
I you'd fought Faltona at seven, yeah, and you'd high
Smith at nine. Yeah. I have those two as well. Oh,
they're exactly those same spots.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
At five, I have Menka Fitzpatrick.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Mm okay.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
At four, I have Roderick Jones.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Wow. Okay, and I have him at four. I'm shocked
you have him the head of Faltana.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Well, here's the thing. He's the left tackle, and if
he can't play left tackle, that really screws up the
season in a lot of big ways.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
They don't grow on trees.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
They don't grow into trees. Yes, you can move Fulton
to left tackle, but you'd probably have but you don't
want to do that. The other way around would be
better to your point, right right, that's the plan. That's
what they want to do. He's got to be at
least league average left tackle.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
He was my biggest X factor for the season, you know,
without question. Ok So that's why I have him at four. Okay,
I get it real quick. I bet if we were
to do this, or if we asked two similar hosts,
it wouldn't be as good at this as us for
thirty two different teams. Where's their left tackle at on
the list? I bet on average it's like fourth. Yeah,
(19:22):
you know, I mean some of them are obvious, like wharfs,
and you know the great one, of course, would be
super high. Well that's even the average ones would be
super high. That's why I have him at four. I
get it.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
I guess it's a really important position.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
At three, I have dk Metcalf Okay, at two I
have TJ.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Watt. One is Cam Hayward. We're not far off. So
if I were to put Friarmouth on the list, which
I I would have him actually twelve, I would have
him behind Broderick Jones, who I had eleven, and ahead
(20:01):
of Boswell, who I had at twelve. Did you Friar
Muth or Boswell higher?
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Friar Muth Okay, because I think he is right now
their second. He's gonna get the second most volume in passing.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Yeah, yeah, that's why I because of position, I have
him behind Jones, but and ahead of Boswell. And I'd
hate to lose Boswell, and that'd be a lot of points. Yeah,
but Joe average kicker off the street would be bad.
But at least it's Joe average kicker. You can't find
a starting tight end, you know, you can't find a
left tackle, all right, So then my top ten I
(20:35):
have Slay at ten high Smith. We both had at nine.
Frasier I had at eight, understanding that centers aren't the
hardest thing in the world to replace. And McCollum's fine,
but I think he's an All Pro. Yeah, you know,
I get it. Yeah. I had Fouled fal Tanu at seven.
(20:57):
I just think he's going to be better than Jones,
you know. I think he's a really good player. Yeah,
that's the thing. These are my best players. But obviously
position matters too. Mink I have at six, which I
think is one spot off of you five. Yeah, okay, uh,
Porter I have at five.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
I had him lower. He owed him much lower, and
you slay much lower thirteen. I had the corners at
thirteen and seventeen.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
I had him at five and ten. I'm worried about
that third outside guy. I mean, I want to play
more man coverage. That's a position that doesn't grow on trees.
It's not offensive tackle. But I that's one we kind
of differed on. Metcalf was four. I think these ones
are real similar. Metcalf was four, WT was three, Cam
(21:45):
was two, Rogers was one. He's a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Yeah, but you also had Mason Rudolf.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
He's on the le he was twenty fifth.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
But right, well now he gets bummed for Firemouth.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Yeah he's gone. He's gone. Yeah. Most important to me
is Rogers. But you could also make the argument I
can win games with Rudolph. Yeah, you know, I can
get through a month. I don't want to get through
seventeen games. Right. If this is playoffs, I definitely want
(22:18):
Rogers would be won. But that's not how we tructured it.
I thought about putting Cam ahead of him, and we
both put Cam ahead of Watt, which I think is
an interesting conversation. And a lot of it was just
the splits when he was on and off the field.
Think yeah, and but I thought Harmon helps alleviate that though,
(22:39):
as does Black and the other defense. They are there.
They obviously were aware of it this offseason. They're better
off to deal with that now than then. And I
wonder what the splits are with him without what I mean,
we've seen games with them without him?
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Yeah, all right, right, record is right. I think that's
different now than what he used to be. I think
they're better prepared for that situation.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Yeah, yeah, so we're not that far off. I think
I valued corners more than you did. You valued tackles
more than I did. I screwed up on Friarmouth and
didn't do the assignment properly. I don't think there was
other massive changes. I was a little the safety linebacker situation.
(23:30):
I can live with losing one, but Minka to me
still had to be pretty high. Yeah. You know, I
think we're only one spot off on it.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
And that doesn't discount We're not saying those guys aren't important,
right right, They're very important current structure that the different
of the team is different than it has been.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Absolutely, Like Minka, if you think he's the same player
as who was last year, probably is a different spot
on this list. You know, I think he was even
more valuable last year just because Thornhill could do it
more better than Kaz could you know what I mean?
Things like that, if they were to add a receiver,
(24:10):
would it change things to you? Like a true number two?
It depends on who he is. Yeah, yeah, I guess
that's on an easy conversation. If it's Amari Cooper something
like that, would Austin still be on your list? But
Roman Wilson, I think Austin would. I don't regret not
having Roman Wilson off.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
But he was a just missed because the other thing
that Austin does is he's your punt returner and he
gives you know, some explosiveness there.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Yeah, right right, that has value. It's an interesting conversation. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
So just going over the top twenty five lists as
a whole. At one, I have Cam Hayward two, TJ
Watt three, DK metcalf four, Roger Jones five, Make Fitzpatrick six,
Aaron Rodgers seven, Troy Otane. I value those tackles a lot,
and we really, you know, they need those two guys
(25:02):
to hit Matt.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
They're the biggest two of the biggest X factors on
the team without questions. Yeah, well he makes that important. Yeah. Eight.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
I have Pat Fararmouth nine, Alex Highsmith ten, Chris Boswell eleven,
Jaylen Warren twelve, Patrick Queen thirteen, Joey Porter Jr. Fourteen,
Zach Frasier fifteen, Keanu Benton sixteen, Calvin Austin seventeen, Darius
Slay eighteen, Peyton Wilson nineteen, Derek Harmon twenty, Isaac Saamalou
(25:35):
twenty one, Deshaun Elliott twenty two, Mason McCormick, twenty three,
Caleb Johnson, twenty four, Roman Wilson, and twenty five Darnell Washington.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
I wonder how many names you have that I don't
and I have that you don't. I know, Roman Wilson's
one that you don't or that I don't have on
my list. Well, now that you're bumping Mason Rudolph off, yes,
and it's only one, then I must have somebody you don't. Oh,
Herbig didn't make your list? My list all right? Mine
one through twenty five Rogers, cam Watt, Metcalf, Porter, Minka Faltanu, Frasier,
(26:20):
high Smith, slayh Roderck Jones, Friarmouth, Boz Benton, Harmon, Ciamalu, McCormick, Warren, Queen,
Caleb Johnson, Herbig, Peyton Wilson, Elliott, Washington, Austin Rudolph, and Johnston.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Got the poop, got the boot because you screwed up
the assignment I did.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
On the on the tight ends. I was mad at
myself at the very end, I'm like, I forgot about
Washington he should be on there, and didn't even think
of the guy ahead him on the depth chart. Yeah.
I even pulled up our lads, like like I needed
for this team, you know, like I don't want to
miss anybody. You don't miss anybody again, missed all the
tight ends. Yeah, yeah, it happens.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
But it's a it's an interesting list, And I think
if you did this assignment for a lot of teams,
I don't know if you'd come up with twenty five
players as good as he's twenty five.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Yeah, I mean, like the fact that I might even
giving a hard time for not having Herbig on there.
Herbig's them. It's a really good player. I mean, it's
one of the better edge pass rushers in the league.
You know Conston, yeah, Exactually he might be the best
punter in the league, you know, right, Like you would struggle.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
To come up with twenty five you'd be naming.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Starters right right, right, But like, I'm sure the Ravens
could come up with twenty five easy. Bengals and Browns
not so much so much. I mean, obviously important means
a lot, but that doesn't mean the players is.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Good, right, you know what I mean, Like, I'm just
talking about the quality of player that's on that list.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think that's a good point.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
When we talk about, you know, overall, the overall roster,
this is what we're talking about. This is a quality roster.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
It is if you get twenty five high quality players
that are going to play a ton of snaps, that
in itself has value. Yeah right. I would bet almost
every team has all five offensive linemen listed. Yeah, unless
you're like really bad at like well, now I think
about it, No, because some teams are so bad at
(28:30):
right guard that three guys are competing for the spot.
They all stink, And what's the difference who wins it?
You know what I mean? Right? Maybe the fact that
you have all five O linemen is like, well, thest
we have something that not anybody else does. You know,
last year, the old line would have been an interesting one,
Like would her Big have been on there at that
(28:52):
point he was a starting center, you know, Daniels would
have McCormick probably wouldn't have made it. You would think
foul Tawnu and Fraser would be on there. Like every year,
your first and second round pick would probably make it.
You know, Steeers gonna have a second round pick this year.
I wonder if you do this every year, how many
rookies make it too? I mean always, I would think
the first round picks is going to be in your
(29:13):
top twenty.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Five, right right, So interesting little way to look at things.
We do this pretty much every year.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
But it's like power ranks, so I urge our listeners
give it a try, right right. Yeah, it's not just
who's the best player, you know, don't just give me
their PFF grades or some nonsense, you know what I like?
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Yeah, I put some thought into it, wor right? What
do they mean to the team?
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (29:36):
What does the position mean to the team?
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Yeah? Is it something you could find on the streets
and live with, you know, or bump up Harrison and
then find a guy in the street to be his guys.
That's why I had.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
For example, the tackles ahead of the cornerbacks. Yeah, you
can find street level free agent cornerbacks who can go
out there and be a.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Okay, yeah, it's still one of the rarer positions though.
I mean, it's not safety your linebacker, it's not.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
But you know, there are lots of reclamation projects at cornerback.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
There's at least somebody on the street right this minute.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
There's so much fluctuation from year to year. Yeah, at
the position tackles, you have it or you don't, right.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
All right, you couldn't get one today. No, you know,
you could get a corner that would that will end
up in the league, yeah, you know, or even make
a trade.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Yeah, you know, there's nobody to strain you a tackle
now start.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
They don't get traded, right, yeah, right right, No, the
tackles are the rare spot.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
In the world.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Yeah, that's quiet theory. Yeah. Anyways, let's get to a break.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
That was fun. It is he is Matt Williamson. I
am Dale Lolli. You're listening to the Drive. You're on
the Steelers Audio Network, Matt and I'll be back with
more right after.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
This at He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt
Williams on your twenty four to seven home of the
Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
And we are back. I'm Dale Lollie.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
He is the Matt Williamson and Matt the two Ohio teams. Yeah,
both angling for some they have some stadium issues going on.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Oh yeah, We've been talking about that a lot this week.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
So Cleveland had in that county, Ogi County the art
Modell Law, which which said that.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Basically if.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
The team was going to be sold or how did
it work, if the team was going to be sold,
they had to offer or move I should say, they
had to offer the team to up for sale. You
had to put the team.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
Up for sale they want to move. Okay, a law
because of what happened with art Modell. For you people
are too young. They left in the middle ofite basically
became in the Baltimore. They let them.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
They knew a year ahead of time that they were leaving.
So the Ohio legislator legislation, I should say, passed a
law as part of an amendment to the state state
budgets that will allow Ohio pro sports team who play
in tax supported facilities to move within Ohio when their
(32:36):
leases expire.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
So they could go to Acrid or Columbus or something
like that.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
As we know, the Browns and they're supposed to complete
the purchase today, have bought our buying land in suburban
brook Park, which is out by the on the western side.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Of the city, and.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
They want to build an indoor stadium. Yes, the city
of the Cleveland was fighting them on this because that's
not in city limits or that's not in the city.
I mean, it's still be called the Cleveland Browns. Yeah,
but right, right, right, it's kind of like a Giants
in Jersey thing, right, Well, it's not not out of state. Yeah,
(33:19):
there's a lot of a lot of football teams who
are called whatever aren't in the downtown.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
They're not the Foxborough Patriots, right right, right, right, So
basically the legal issue has been removed because they're staying within.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
They're staying within, yeah, right, so they.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
There's no loopholes or whatever, so they're going to do
it right. Cincinnati also has an.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Issue Cincinnati's leases up with pay Court Stadium, but according
to Jason Williams of the Cincinnati Enquirer, they have a
deal in place to keep the club playing at Baykoor
Stadium at least until the mid twenty thirties.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Okay, these conversations are hard for me because I don't
understand legislation. I live under a rock. I only know
about football. If you are leasing the state, okay, you're
the county that Cincinnati's in, or you're the city of Cincinnati.
So talk to me like, I'm a first grader and
I have this stadium and I'm leasing it to the
(34:31):
Cincinnati Bengals. If the Bengals decide they no longer want
to be my occupant, what goods the stadium going to
do me anymore? Not a lot? Yeah? Okay, I mean
like Springsteen comes down and great, I put him in there.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
But maybe Cincinnati, you know, the University of Cincinnati, Yeah,
would use it or whatever.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
But I mean really only have like one client, I guess,
is my point. It is like largely how could they
not make a deal, you know what I mean? Or
wouldn't the team hold more power in this situation.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Like well, unless you can get somebody else to build
you a new one where you have plans to build
a new one. The lease was set to expire after
this season, which is why that was such a pressing issue.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
But back to your original conversation, Bengals in the city
can't come to a conclusion they want to move the
Bengals to Saint Louis. They couldn't have done it before
they would have to put them up for sale. First. No,
that was that was a Cleveland room, a lot Okay,
that's on the Ohio rule. I don't believe, okay, okay, okay,
So they could move them to Saint Louis if they wanted, Yeah, okay, okay,
(35:41):
I just didn't know who has the rights to do
those things. I mean, the league would have to approve it.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Yeah, the Bengals had. The Bengals had until June thirtieth
to extend their current lease. Okay, so they're running out
of time on this. I just wonder how negotiations go.
It's kind of like I have this car and there's
only one person can drive it.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
So at the same time, you know, the teams always
want upgrades, Yeah, things of that nature.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
There's things that you want, like Soldier Field got a
massive facelift that I'm sure the Bears didn't pay entirely for. Yeah.
So in five years, we expect the Browns will be
playing in a dome in a different community near Cleveland,
in the Cleveland suburbs and Cincinnati, probably to be in
(36:27):
the same building. Yeah, maybe with some innovations.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
I think the Brown Stadium is set to open in
twenty twenty nine.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
Okay, so I'm just guessing on five years. But yeah, yeah,
down the Rock. I mean, that's going to be their
long term home sooner than later.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
But neither are moving out of the state of Ohio, gotcha,
which also can be called the state of confusion.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Any mixed feelings about a dome in Cleveland. I don't
like it. I assume they look at it like we
can get a Super Bowl. Now. I don't know how
much money that matters, but it has to be pretty big. Yeah,
I mean I would at least have a retractable they could,
but I don't. I don't know that I see that. Yeah,
they just.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Every year the super Bowl, right, but every year we
you know, we talk about it all the time. There
are a couple of games in Cleveland that are weather
affected in a major way.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Massively, maybe more than any city in the in the league,
because it's right on the lake, right right, and it
hits you quick.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Yeah, they're moving Inland.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
I guess they wouldn't be right on the not right
on the lake anymore. I'm sure wind will be less
of an issue then like that.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
But I mean, I'm sure they're looking at this as
well from a parking standpoint. Oh that's you know, getting
in and out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, not the Cleveland Stadium
was the Brown Stadium was tough to get in and
out of. It could be, but the parking city parking
situations not great.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
Really. I would say that I had an employee spot,
i'dn't have to worry about that. But I mean, I
don't know that park.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
You're parking right along the lake in the winter time, Oh.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
It had to be horrible walking and out and that
kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
There were times when I saw the waves in the wintertime,
like the first two rows that park right along the lake.
Those cars were covered in a sheet of.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
Ice and ice water splash lake. Wow. Totally different conversation.
Well not totally, but some of them people out there
want to revoke my Pittsburgh tough guy weather card. But
I kind of think Green Bay, Minnesota, Cleveland, Buffalo in
(38:45):
a perfect world should have a retractable roof that if
the day you were up there, when you couldn't even
get out of your hotel room, put the roof up.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
But the problem that comes, Okay, you can put the
roof up, but fans can't get to the game.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
Well there, I guess that's that point too, right.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
And if you put the roof up, did you get
so much snow. But the game happened either way, but
it happened a couple of days later because nobody could
get there.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
Nobody could get there, So that particular day that they
played the game, it wasn't the craziest weather ever.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
No cleaning up after the weather, Like what if Minnesota
didn't have a dome.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
I mean, I don't know that to be humanly health, Okay,
to play some of the games.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
When I was up there for the week for the
Super Bowl, I don't know that the temperature ever got
out of the out of these single digits, and oftentimes
it was negative.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
Oh. I bet yeah. And I bet that's not their
most difficult December January on record either. No, I mean,
I'm sure there's way worse, right.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Right, So, but the Browns and Bengals both staying in
their respective cities.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Brown's definitely with a new building.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Yeah, So let's get to another break. That's going to
do it for our number one of the drive here
on the Steelers Audio Network. Matt and I will be
back with our number two right after this
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