HR1: Value

Matt and Dale chat about another pre-draft visitor, discuss prospects that are currently being over and under valued, and of course Bob Labriola calls into the show.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on
your twenty four to seven home of the Black and
Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
And welcome to the Drive. I am Dale Lolly.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
He is the Matt Williamson and it is a well,
it's a.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Much nicer Wednesday, very nice. I yeah, yeah, my goodness,
was that nasty yesterday?

Speaker 3 (00:28):
I forget who I was chat with, and they said,
kind of strange that we've experienced all four seasons in
the month of April.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
It's pretty true seeing all four seasons this week week.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
Yeah, he got true too. Yeah, that was a dude
I was chatting with at the beer was snowing sideways
at my house yesterday. When I got home, right a
couple of days ago, it was like Sonny and shorts
and sunglasses, and today fields like spring.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
I get home and I'm on a text chain with
all the other league presidents from the Baseball Association, and
I'm like, I am canceling pony like, well, I don't know,
I might the Pinto guy, his Pinto's seven and eight
year olds. They played You're out of your mind. They're
tough little gagers. I understand that you don't have to

(01:09):
they don't pitch, it's coach pitch. You're not worried about
somebody hurting her arm or something like that.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
But a little cold, yeah, a little chilli. Yeah, it's
pretty nasty yesterday, cold and wet.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
Not a good combiny. It feels like a week before
the draft. Yeah, you know, like normal April, Absolutely, Matt.
The Steelers finished up their pre draft visits, as did
everybody in the league. Today Today, Today's the limit. They
had Darius Alexander in the defensive tackle from Toledo.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
I knew he was on the list, but we didn't
know when and all that, so I guess he arrived.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Good. Made me think about guys that are overrated and
guys that are underrated in the opinion in this draft,
I think I think Alexander's a little underrated. I do too.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
I think he's an impact player that I mean. It
seems like a lot of people have him outside the
top fifty type. And when you say underrated over rated,
I think he'd be firmly in the top fifty, you know,
I mean, and he would be for me drafted accordingly,
let alone for the Steelers, and to be even higher
on the list. And I think he was at the

(02:09):
very end of our twenty one No. I think he's
a quality player that maybe gets a little bit lost
with all the defensive tackles in this draft. Yeah, you know,
and the school we went to doesn't help.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Probably. Yeah, you know. And you know when people talk about, well,
you know, the Harmon or Grant All never had to
deal with any double teams. I guarantee you, Darius Alexander
double team Toledo.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
Yeah, you get a name for yourself pretty quick when
you start throwing dudes around and you're the focus of everything. Yeah,
one hundred percent. But you know, so we know who
those are. And I think, to me, this year more
so than any other year, because there's no the Blue Chippers.
I think there's only four in this draft, picks five through.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
At least a sixty. Yeah, are all gonna have similar
grades on them?

Speaker 3 (03:03):
May I think they'll just be eye the beholder type stuff? Yeah,
you know, I absolutely think more so this draft. You
know that, man, just even if you're just ranking the
edge guys one to ten, I'm not sure any team
will have them similar you know, right alone, you know,
and they'll be the same names, but one or three

(03:23):
could be ten on the board. I mean like there's
a lot of variants at almost every position. I mean
there's not a consensus rank at many positions that I
think people are Okay, I'll buy that, maybe running back.
Speaking of it, I just wanted to throw this out
there because I was blown away by this. Did a
podcast this morning. We were talking about we're talking about fantasy,
but we were talking about Travon Henderson. His over under

(03:47):
right now in Vegas, if you're the draft to bet,
his slot depending on what book you look at, is
either nineteen and a half or twenty one and a half.
Steelers are twenty one. Yeah, they've been there, he's been
on a visit.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
Over under and running backs in the first round is
two and a half.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
I think the whole world thinks he's going now. Yeah,
you know, And the conversation was would rather have him
or Hampton? I'm like, I'd rather Hampton, But I think
Vegas is telling us three you're going to go, and
maybe three are going to go before the Steelers pick. Yeah,
And I think people are linking the Steelers to them too,
considering the numbers twenty one and a half in some books.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
You know, Yeah, I think Josh Simmons from Ohio State
is underrated. I think all the tackles are, Yeah, I
think Simmons in particular because of the injury. Yeah. But
he was back on the field at their pro day,
which leads me to believe he will at least be
back by the start of training camp. And if he
were a clean prospect, I think he's a top fifteen
prospect and he's not going to go anywhere near the

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top fifteen.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
What's crazy is the very first mock we did for
Steelers dot Com pre comb It was like a month
before Combine. I mean this was early in the process.
I had him going four to the Patriots, and I
flat out said, I know, it's early in the process.
All these inj dudes, Benjamin Ravel, I'm gonna give him
all the benefit of doubt and pretend like they're healthy
because it's early. I'm sure at some point they'll work out.

(05:08):
He's a left tackle, He's the most talented left tackle
in the class.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
If he's finesse, I don't care. He's a low tackle.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
They don't go thirty first, right, you know, And even
like Connerly to me is a tackle. I mean, economics
tell you tackles are hard to find. I think Ursery
is one of my is one of my most underrated
players too. I mean, he's really athletic for being a
huge tackle. People have him going fortieth fiftieth. I'm sitting

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there looking at the Chiefs and Eagles, going, are they
going to pass on these tackles? I don't know, man, Yeah,
I don't think the Chiefs will. No, I don't don't
think they will either. I think if you take the
bird in hand to your point about five not being
that much different than let's just say thirty two all
the way to sixty the rest of the first round
after or genty and Ward and those guys are off

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the board, I think that really favors the smart teams
and the good teams. You know, like the Ravens have
this history and this reputation of we don't care what
position it is. You're going to give us Hamilton, We're
gonna take them. You know, we're gonna give us Linderbaum.
I'm gonna take them. Well, I look at like the Chiefs,
the Eagles, the Bills, the Steelers, I mean, like some

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of these teams that don't have great needs, we might
look at the end of the first round and be like,
why did we let that guy go to the Eagles?

Speaker 2 (06:31):
You know what I mean? I could see that a
lot this year.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
I think Kyle Williams, the Washington state wide receiver, is
vastly underrated.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
Vastly underrated. The same podcast I was talking about with Henderson,
I'm like, this guy has to go on day two.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
I mean, I don't understand this stuff with him in
the hundreds or one hundred and fifties, all.

Speaker 3 (06:58):
Right, I mean we stole them probably under under the
table and mocks for you know, weeks and weeks and
then round five, round six, you know.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
No chance.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
And we were talking about our top five receivers. His
name popped up. Is see that far from number five?
I mean, if there's four that everybody kind of likes,
maybe Higgins is your five. I like the Stanford dude,
you know, I mean there's you know Knowle is impressed.
So there's a lot of them, but he's right kind
of in that mix. Yeah, big play guy, route runner.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
Yeah. I think Noel Williams, the cornerback out of cow
is being underrated.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
Because he didn't run as fast as.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
Four to five. Yeah, not the wrong with the four
or five. He's another four, four nine. I think people
would look at him differently than how they're looking at
him now.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
Which is dumb, which is stupid, which is dumb.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
Right.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
He's long, he can play press, takes the ball away,
takes the ball away. He's another one. To me, I
agree with all the names you mentioned. I think he
should be a third rounder. You know, maybe if he
went sixtieth, I would understand it.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
Right. We know my Robinson from Nebraska, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
vastly underrated by miss style play.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
This translates, you know, it's hard to play against. He's
a pain in the bot.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
He's Fisk right right, Brad and Fisk went in the
second round last year. They're almost the same guy. Yeah,
Like they just go in and just constantly Tasmanian devil
in the field. They are, make moves and get to
the quarterback.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
I don't even play seventy snaps, you.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
Know, No, looking at some of the guys I think
are overrated in this draft. Man, basically everybody who is
marked down to go in the top fifteen. Yeah, I agree.
I just don't you know when people talk about, oh,
the Steelers need to trade up for what for what?

Speaker 4 (08:52):
For what?

Speaker 3 (08:53):
And I wonder if the league's gonna get smarter and
be like, so this is a different conversation, Like I
bet there are a lot of D line and go
in the first round. You know, the edge, you know
knows everything all the above, but all the edges, there's
so many edges. I wonder if people say give me
Nolan instead of Michael Williams. I mean, like all the

(09:14):
edges have something wrong with them or some concern where
I kind of feel like Harmon, Nolan Grant, who we
talk to death might also all be underrated.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
I think they are to a degree because I think
they should all sitting there twenty one. That's like that
shouldn't happen, right, it really shouldn't. I think that's why
the Steelers had some of the visits that they did have.
I just I think those guys are being underrated. I
look at the to Georgia Edge rushers. I think they're
both being over each over.

Speaker 3 (09:44):
Yeah, you're gonna say the guards being underrated.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
I like the guard.

Speaker 3 (09:48):
Yeah, the guards are good, they're solid starting guards. No,
it talks about them like that's a bad guard class.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
But everybody blows up Both edge rushers. MIKEL Williams says,
no production. Where's he play on first down? I mean
unless you're like three four and he's your stand up
in a two point stance, he can't be in a
four man front in a base four three. I think
he's a definition of it. He's high character, he's a captain,
he's active, he's active. That's all great. That should be

(10:15):
the icing on the cake, right, right, not the reason
you draft the guy, right, that's not then that's how
this draft is. Yeah, I mean we've talked about Graham
to no end. For him to be one of the
first defensive players off the board, to me is nuts.
But I'm not sure who deserves it ahead of him.
I don't think Walker, does you know?

Speaker 4 (10:31):
No?

Speaker 2 (10:31):
I mean Jaalen Walker's sixty one two forty three, and
I understand, Oh, well, you know, he's basically the same
height that James Harrison was. That's great, except James Harrison
played it like two hundred and sixty pounds and it
was all muscle.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
All muscle, and way bit different leverage guy and way
more fierce against the run and harder to move and
more physical. Yeah, I kind of feel the same way.
It's like, if you're picking eight, nine, ten, you have
to take so you have to take someone right, No
one's worth it. It's Ted McMillan worth those picks.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
No, that's why the tight ends might just because the
tight ends I don't think are overrated. No, I think
they're solid. Yeah. Yeah, and they might just be the
best player. I know these guys aren't. They're gonna they're
both gonna hit, They're both gonna be good football players.
There's no guess work here. They're both and I think
they end up going higher than what maybe some people
not Warren in Warren's case, but I think Lovelin ends

(11:24):
up going higher as well. Then maybe some people are saying.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
If the Colts are fixated on a tight end, maybe
Warren's gone.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
You think Loveland and they're both way. Trust both of
those guys more than I trust any of the receivers
in this draft. Yeah, I do too.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
Even Golden I like, but he doesn't play like I mean,
if he doesn't run a four to three, but sub
four three, we're not talking about him in the same light.
And he doesn't play that way. Yeah, I mean, and
I think that he shocked himself to even do it.
I don't think he's a four to three guy period
had a.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
Real good run. Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
I mean part of me thinks, get out twenty one,
just get a bunch of stuff in Day two and
something's gonna hit.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
But somebody's gonna want to move up. But I mean,
that's it's it's the constant. I hear that all the time.
The Steeler should trade down. They need to trade down.
You gotta have a trade partner. Yeah, somebody's got to
want to come up to get one of those players.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
I wonder if the tackles are the are the thing
that people trade up for. I mean, if you could
get the Ohio State dude off the board and then
they're moving up for Connorly or something like that, I mean,
it's odd. But man, I still think on those three
defensive tackles we talk about all the time, pretty safe.

(12:37):
I mean I think that those guys are it's hard
to poke holes in.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
What they have.

Speaker 3 (12:41):
And again back to what I'm saying, good football players
are gonna be there at the end of the first
round that are not much different than the six pick
in the draft.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Yeah, that's the thing. I think what people need to
guard themselves against in this particular draft is just looking
at what the quote unquote experts put out there as
their top fifty or mock drafts. We're going to do
a mock draft next week on Thursday, the day of
the draft, where you, me and Mike Pursuda will make

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everythrow pick. And last year we'll be get twenty six
or twenty seven of the will be worse this year.
There's no doubt, no doubt in my mind. If we
get twenty this year, I'll be happy. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
And that was even just landing them in the first round, yeah,
not landing spot, same spot everything. Yeah, yeah, I think
we'll be lucky to do.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
Because so much variance, Like you're gonna see guys, I
don't care whose rankings you pull up. You're going to
see guys who are probably multiple guys rated in the
forties going in the first round.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
Oh yeah, no doubt about it. And really, I think
a better way of looking at this draft than all drafts,
but this one it stands out more is look at
land zer Line's grades as opposed to a top fifty,
because the fortieth guy and the twentieth guy could be
close grade wise, but if you're just looking at a list,
they don't look close at all, right, you know.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
That's the thing, you know what I mean, that's the thing.
I mean again, if you're just looking at a list,
you've got to put a list together. And to your point,
number twenty and number forty are a long ways away
from each other. But grades wise they.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
Might be real similar. They might be the same yeah,
the same grade. Yeah, they could absolutely be same tier
or very close, you know, if they play the same position.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
Right, It's just the way this draft is. It's a
it's a really weird one. Maybe the we're again, I've
done this thirty three years now, this might be the
strangest draft that I can remember. I tend to agree.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
I mean, even like the premier prospects, Hunter and Carter,
they're a little weird too. I mean, one was a
stand up linebacker that's going to end which also brings
me back to Walker. Everyone thinks that's such a strength. Well,
he can also play a linebacker. I'm like, yeah, but
I don't want I'm dropping in the coverage. If he's
my best pass rusher, I'm drafting them to brush the passage.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
If I'm gonna take him in a top twelve.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
I mean, I adore Hunter, but is he going to
play one hundred and thirty snap game?

Speaker 2 (15:00):
Well, and he you know, he came out yesterday or
the day before and said that if he can't, if
he doesn't get to play both ways, and he's just
gonna quit.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
I heard something like that, all right, not exactly the
smartest statement by the camp, but.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
Well, again, this is what happens when you get a
bunch of nil money. You can I've got ten million
dollars in the bank. If I play in the NFL
or not, I'll.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
Be okay, I'll be okay fire. Yeah, and I'm sure
he will get the opportunity.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
But why say it. But it's just a different mentality
for today's athletes. I mean, you had the kid from
from Tennessee walk away without another deal in place. He's
not getting anywhere near the two point four two point
five million. Then he was gonna assume not he wanted
the rays from at Tennessee. But the offers now are
like a million r. You made a bad business movement.

(15:46):
In the bad business, you didn't have the leverage.

Speaker 3 (15:48):
I mean, I sound like an old man. We sound
like old men. These young I mean, but they're young kids.
I mean, there are a lot of them. Are seventeen sixteen
year olds making these decisions or eighteen nineteen where it
used to be you were twenty one JaMarcus Russell first
round pick making bad decisions, you know, but now you're
four years younger making bad decisions.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
Yeah, that's bad, and they got a lot of money.
They're part of.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
The draft in general, though, is odd. I tend to think.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
Guys like Gray's Abel are overrated and Booker are overrated
in this particular draft, Like I'm not taking an interior
offensive lineman in the first round where these guys are going,
especially in this draft.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
Yeah, I don't. That's a good point too. I mean
they're not Fanica coming out lu. I mean no, these
are Hutchinson coming out of Michigan, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (16:39):
Like, you're taking a guy who's going to be an okay,
who projects as a mid round good starter. Yeah, good starter, Okay, great,
But I don't want to pay twenty five million in
four years.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
I mean, if you look at the last like twenty
thirty years of the NFL draft, good starter interior lineman,
they go thirty eight to a bad team, you know
what I mean, the team that needs O line help,
that got something good in the first round and then
you go get your guard and plug him in for
ten years and maybe he goes to a Pro Bowl. Yeah,
that's kind of who those are to me.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
I think I can count on one hand the number
of centers drafted in the first round.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
This since twenty twenty. Oh, it's like four.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
Yeah, yeah, you know in five in five drafts, like
they just don't they don't go that high. I don't
go that high and you're day to Yeah, you better
be really really good. And so I think some of
those guys are getting pushed up a little bit more
than where they should be. Oh, he's a really good prospect.
I'm gonna list he's Gray's Abel could play tackle? Not
in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
He can't, right, And I don't know what your rankings were,
but when we do our triple takes, you do your
five interior Oh, Linemen, I think Zabel was my one.
Most years, he'd be my four.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
Yeah you know, I mean, is he really that different
than the than they you know, the two Georgia tackles
or guards?

Speaker 3 (17:51):
I should site right, right, Not really, I'll just say,
I mean, there's a little bit of hindsight here, but
would Zach Frasier be my number one interior O lineman
if we did this one year ago. I mean, I
think he's a better prospect than Zabel or Booker, and
not even know by the way he succeeded. I think
Powers Johnson is, I think Barton is. You know, I
mean all those guys I said last year's draft so
much better.

Speaker 4 (18:12):
Two?

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Yeah. Now again, I think defensively, this one is better
just in terms of what's available to you there there
are a lot of D linemen, but in terms of
offensive line, wide receivers, yeah, quarterbacks not even close.

Speaker 3 (18:27):
No, And again there's some quarterbacks very true this way too.
But fourth and fifth round there's wide receivers and corners
and quarterbacks we've known that are really growing on me
that I don't look her that much different than the
round two guys. You know what I mean. I mean,
Noel Williams a perfect example. Would you rather have him
or Azara Thomas William Wlliams right now? Every on the

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planet has them noticeably two rounds apart.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
No, it just doesn't make a lot of sense. And
again I bet NFL teams when they're grading these guys,
have him a lot closer than that.

Speaker 3 (19:02):
Yeah yeah, because again they're using grades, not using rounds
is the wrong way to do it too. But that's
a media driven thing.

Speaker 4 (19:08):
You know.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
The league doesn't look at it like we got thirty
two first rounders. We put grades on them and it's
eventual starter, immediate start or whatever.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
That's the thing. I think maybe they're this year, there
might be twelve or thirteen quote unquote first round grades.
Yeah yeah, yeah, lower the most. I think there's four
Blue Chippers.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
You count Ward as the fourth, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, right,
but I think Ward counts even yeah, because even without.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
The quarter going the first round in most drafts, I
think he goes.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
The first top five in most yeah yeah yeah, maybe
not QB one, but some of you would.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
But then after that, I think you've got a bunch
of guys with you see it in a lot of
different places, the one two next to their name. A
lot of stuff coming out now, well, a lot of
teams don't have a first round grade on Shador Sanders.

Speaker 3 (19:52):
Okay, that's fine, that's fine. I I get it.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
That doesn't mean he's not going to go at eighteen
or somewhere like that, because he probably has a one
first second round grade on him. Yeah, and there's going
to be sixty guys that have a first second round
grade on.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
Them, which is how we start this conversation. That's Alexander
to me. Yeah, like I do like those three that
we always talk about, Grand Harmon and Nolan more than Alexander.
But are they that much different? I mean, they light
years different. Where one doesn't solve that, they all don't
solve your problem. The biggest difference is the age thing
with me.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
I don't love the age with him.

Speaker 3 (20:28):
You know how much years older than those other guys.
And I don't know how much that would dig me.
If it's my turn on the board and he's my
top guy, I think I'm fine with it. I mean,
who knows how long you get out of these eyes anyways,
but I don't love that part about him in particular.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
Yeah, anyways, let's get through a break. He is the
Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolli. You're listening to the
Driver on the Steelers Audio Network, Matt, and I'll be
back with more right after this.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Williamson on your
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Steelers Nation.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
Radio and welcome back to the drive. I am Dale Lolly.
He is the Matt Williamson, and we welcome in on
the Justin Miller hot Line, the Dean of Doom, the

(21:28):
lord of living in his spheares in the Great White
Shark of Steelers coverage. Bob Labriola, how you doing, Labs?

Speaker 4 (21:36):
Good guys? How are we doing? We already for next
Thursday or what?

Speaker 1 (21:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (21:40):
I couldn't get here soon enough, to be honest, absolutely
absolutely can't wait to uh to no longer be talking
about this particular draft and to actually be talking about,
oh I don't know, things like who's actually on the team,
where they land, things like that.

Speaker 4 (21:55):
Yeah, yeah, right, Quit talking about what you think is
gonna happen and talk about what I actually does happen.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
There you go, Absolutely, that's the world we live in, So, Labs,
this will be the fifth time in the Steelers history
since nineteen seventy with the modern history, that the Steelers
will have had the twenty first pick in the draft.
Do you know the players that they took at twenty
one and the previous four times.

Speaker 3 (22:21):
Wow, I'd be impressed if you do well he is.

Speaker 4 (22:23):
With this jeopardy.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
Yeah. Well, the first game in nineteen seventy four, Swan.
That would be Lyn Swan. Okay. The second time came
in nineteen seventy seven.

Speaker 4 (22:41):
Seventy seven, Benny Cunningham.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
No, it wasn't Benny Cunningham, that was Robin Cole right.
Nineteen eighty three was the next time they picked at
twenty one. Everybody knows this one unfortunate, Yeah, Gabrivera. And
then in nineteen ninety was the last time that they've
had the twenty first pick in the draft. They took
Eric Green. Decent success, So I mean they've got some

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good players at picking.

Speaker 4 (23:10):
Disagree with that. Well, whoever commented on Eric Green, he
was a.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
Good player for the Steelers. I'm not saying he was
a great play. The one Hall of Famer of the group.
That's not too bad. He went to two Pro Bowls.

Speaker 4 (23:23):
I know you weren't a fan.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
You're not a fan of in general, taking tight ends
in the first round. I get it, but.

Speaker 4 (23:30):
I'm not a fan of him. And you know, the
way I look at it is that was Joe Walton's fault.
So that allows me to kind of lump two of
my least favorites together.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
I'm sure you also know the last time the Steelers
went into a draft, or not went into a draft,
but traded the second round their second round picking a
draft for a player straight up, I'm drawing a blank here,
that would be one's Jerome Bettas Ah. Okay, that worked
out all right too. That worked out okay too. So
some of the moves that they've they've made were the

(24:10):
way this draft lines up. I mean, they already traded
their second I'm not saying DK Metcalf's drove Bettest by
any stretch of the imagination. Not too shabby though, but
he could be an impact player like Bettis. And you've
got the twenty first pick in the draft, where you've
got guys like Lynn Swan. You know, Robin Cole was
a long time starter for the team. They've gotten good
value out of that pick over the years. Gabe might

(24:33):
have been all right, Gabe, Yeah, I mean, we just
don't know. And if they had taken Dan Marino there, well,
who knows what happens. But it's just all part of
the intrigue of the draft. You just don't know, given
year to year, how this whole thing goes.

Speaker 4 (24:49):
Yeah, and you know so much of it again. Uh,
there's a lot of hard work certainly that goes into
preparing for the draft. But you need you need luck.
I mean, you just do the way the picks on bold.
You know, I've told this story. Nineteen eighty five, Bill

(25:13):
Nunn had done a lot of work on this Mississippi
Valley State receiver that turned into a pretty decent player,
and he convinced Chuck Knowle that that was the guy,
and Steelers were all set to pick him. Uh and

(25:34):
right at the last minute, I mean, the forty nine
Ers traded up above him and picked Jerry Rice. So
you know, Dale, you mentioned just a couple of seconds
ago nineteen eighty three.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
Dan Marino could have been something.

Speaker 4 (25:50):
History, a little bit feelers history. I mean, certainly those
two guys went on.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
Probably league history. Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
There might be more trophies too in the eighties.

Speaker 4 (26:01):
Yeah, great Hall of famers that they were. But so
but anyway, yeah, that's what you need. You can do
all the work you can be right about you know,
your conclusions that you have come to about certain players
and how those players might you know fit within your team,
your roster, but you've got to have an opportunity to

(26:25):
pick them, and sometimes that doesn't even happen.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
So, speaking of Hall of Fame quarterbacks, we've heard nothing
on that front. What do you want the quarterback room
to look like post draft or what do you expect
the quarterback room to look like going into La Trobe?
I mean, do we have any clue? I mean I don't.

Speaker 4 (26:45):
Yeah, yeah, seriously, I mean I don't And you know,
I don't know what I wanted to look like. I
don't know that there's you know, yeah, i'd like Joe
burrow be. I mean that's what I would want, But
I mean that's not real. So yeah, I don't know.

(27:06):
I don't know what it's going to look like. And
whatever it does look like, I don't know if it's
gonna I won't know if it's a path to success
or a path to disaster until you know it all unfolds.
I mean, it's kind of like the draft itself. You
can't you can't judge it immediately after.

Speaker 3 (27:29):
And so yeah, no one seems super concerned, but I'm
getting super concerned.

Speaker 4 (27:38):
Well you know, uh again, I I don't know. I
don't think that that the degree of knowing that I
currently possess right now necessarily translate it translates to the Steelers.
I mean, I don't think, you know, I think they

(27:59):
have a lot more idea of what might happen than
the public does. And uh, you know, we've talked about
this before. The Steelers don't show their cards in this
kind of thing. If whatever Aaron Rodgers said to them
during that meeting when he was in Pittsburgh, he it's

(28:26):
like it's like going into the confessional and telling the
priest your sins. Uh, that's never revealed, and you can
be you can be confident in that in terms of,
you know, a player in his conversations with the people
that he talked to in that setting. In terms of

(28:50):
it being leaked to the media or revealed or you
know whatever, the Steelers don't talk about that kind of stuff.
And so, you know, I don't know if the situation
is in fact what it might appear to be to
us at this particular time. I just don't know.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
And so that's how I've kind of looked at it
the last couple of weeks. But just seems like, what's
the hang up here?

Speaker 4 (29:17):
You know. Yeah, I mean I don't know. I don't
know what it is and what I try and do
seriously stay off social media and I sleep good, so Bob.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
And In the last two years, basically since Omar Khan
has been the GM, the Steelers have had their pre
draft visits. In twenty twenty three, they brought in for
pre draft visits Broderick Jones, Joey Porter, Keanu Benton, and
Darnell Washington. We're all among their top thirty visits first
four draft picks that year. Last year, they brought in

(29:56):
Troy Filetano, Zach Frasier, Peyton Wills, and Mason McCormick and
Logan Lee were all part of their pre draft visits.
That's nine total, nine total in the last two years
out of sixty guys that they brought in. Does that
mean we can absolutely count on the guys that they
brought in this year? The thirty guys, there were nine
running backs and eight defensive linemen, and four quarterbacks and

(30:18):
four wide receivers some other ancillary piece I think three cornerbacks.
We can absolutely count on the Steelers taking three or
four or five of those guys.

Speaker 4 (30:29):
You can. I'm not because as I was just saying, Yeah,
you know, it depends on how the picking goes. And
you know a lot of those pre draft visits again,
that's part of the information gathering process. If, for example,
the Steelers talk to a guy at the Combine or

(30:51):
say at the senior ball at the Combine, went to
his pro day, took him out to dinner, maybe they
don't need him to bring them in again. Maybe there
isn't any any other issues that they have. Maybe there
isn't any uh, final medical issues or checks too or

(31:11):
things to check. Maybe you know, they've already had them
on the board. Maybe they've already he's already met whichever
coordinator offense or defense. You know he's gonna be, you know,
whatever side of the ball he's on. So you know, again,
I because you can, you can you can massage the

(31:32):
narrative any way you want. You know, TJ Want didn't
make a top thirty visit, So there's that, right, I mean,
whatever whatever way you want to tell the story. There
are exceptions to the rule. And so I don't think
you can say, you know, based on their visits, they're

(31:54):
gonna pick these guys, or based on the visits they're
gonna pick these players. Because the Lawrence Timmins draft too,
there was a guy I forget his name now that
there was all linked to the Steelers, linked to the
Steelers because that was the year. You know, Joey Porter.

(32:18):
His last season in Pittsburgh was two thousand and six,
and so by then I think Joey Porter had gone
to the Dolphins. By the time of the draft, there
was some Texas A and M guy I can't think
of his name. Uh, he was linked to the Steelers.
He was linked to the Steels. They're gonna pick them,
They're gonna pick them there and pick them. Uh, he
was there. They didn't pick them, and they picked Lawrence Timmins,

(32:39):
who was not only the guy that everybody thought they
were gonna pick, but he didn't even play the position
that everybody thought that the Steelers were going to draft
to fill the spot of a guy that they just lost.
So you know, again, I've been around a lot of
these drafts, and you know, when you think you know

(33:00):
who it is or you think you know what position
it is, you really don't. And because again, one of
the things, if you're gonna if I were going to
give you one one aspect of Thursday Night that I
am confident is gonna happen. There's gonna be a pick
where I go, Wow, didn't see that one coming. And

(33:25):
so that's that's the thing about the draft. You don't
a lot of the information you think you're getting either
isn't true. It could be a smoke screen or you're
getting all the information and then and even if it's right,
but the way that the way it unfolds, it's not

(33:47):
possible for it to happen that way. That's why I'm
I'm ready for April twenty fourth to come around, as
I said, so we can quit talking about what we
think is going to happen and start talking about what
actually does happen. Because I think when when once it's
all said and done and the first twenty picks are made,

(34:12):
that I think the twenty first pick is going to
make some sense, you know, once it is made. That's
been my experience.

Speaker 3 (34:21):
So Labs, I know, you don't break down the prospects
like crazy going into the draft, and you get to
know them a little a lot more obviously once they
become Steelers. But I find it really interesting that they
pick twenty one and then they don't pick again until
eighty three, I think it is. And Alexander who is
in today from Toledo, I can't imagine him going twenty one,

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but I can't imagine him being.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
There at eighty three.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
Like a high percentage of their thirty visits fall in
that range after they're gonna pick, and well before they're
gonna pick the next time. Do you think they're really
gearing up to be moving around the board If I'm
right about.

Speaker 4 (35:02):
That again, I'm gonna keep saying what I've been. You
know what, what would you say that these picks are
slotted to go in a certain area of the draft?
That doesn't no offense? Sure, that doesn't make true, no doubt,
that's what That's what is thought. That's the guess, uh

(35:24):
at this point. And so you know we're gonna find
out because if there was such a thing as taught
thirty visits in nineteen eighty three, uh, there will have
been a lot of people think of what is what
is Miami bringing Dan Dan Marino in? For he's never
gonna last that long and then their second round pick
will certainly be gone by then, or you know whatever.

(35:46):
So you know, this is this is part of the
pre draft phase or you know period that you know
we're in right now. I mean, I think everybody's just
looking trying to add one in one and come up
with whatever total that fits the point that they're trying

(36:10):
to make. I mean, what you're saying about these top
thirty visits. You know, maybe true, maybe all of the
guys they're bringing in are in that range. But you know,
we've talked about this before. If you're at twenty one
and Derek Harmon is there and you think, well, this

(36:32):
guy's like that, he's more like the thirty first overall pick,
don't want to reach for him at twenty one. But
if you can't get him, if you don't pick him
at twenty twenty one and reach for him quote unquote,
you're not gonna have a chance to get him after that.
That's always my point about trading down. Yet it sounds good,

(36:53):
and you know it looks good maybe, and you know
in the next day's analysis of how team manipulated the process,
but you know, who did you get or who did
you miss? To me, those are the more important things.
And you know, I'll use the Dan Rooney quote all
the time. You know, the thing with scouts is they're

(37:14):
trying to win the draft. The idea is you're trying
to win the Super Bowl. So is it is it
wise to trade down for extra picks to get into
the range that we're just talking about. But then, who
did you not get a chance to add to your

(37:34):
team by doing that? You know, again, I don't a
lot of these things. You really don't know the answer
to them until you know it's several years down the
line and you find out who these players actually are. Uh,

(37:56):
you know, because trading up for Devin Bush the day
that had happened looked like genius. You know, three years
later it goes down as one of the worst picks
in recent Steelers history. Jarvis Jones another one. Wow, what
a great pick that was? Whatever he was fifteenth, seventeenth. Overall,

(38:18):
you get a you just picked the guy who led
the sec in sacks back to back years and you're
putting them on the edge. What a great pick that was?
Didn't turn out to be that. So again, all this
is fun right now, but we're not going to have

(38:38):
any real answers for a couple of years.

Speaker 5 (38:40):
I don't think, absolutely Well, labs, we will see you
at the facility next week when we do all this
fun stuff, and well, we'll hear from my believe we'll
hear from Mike Toman and Omar Khan early next week sometime.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Okay, we'll get an opportunity to have them not tell
us who they're going to pick.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
I'm sure they'll open up all the secrets.

Speaker 4 (39:03):
And hey, and I don't I'm not. That's not a
shot at Mike Palmlan and.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
All they tell you.

Speaker 4 (39:11):
As a as an old man, I've been through a
lot of these and I can tell you nobody has
ever told you anything in those.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
In those unless you're picking number one. Overall, it's all
you have. You have no idea. And then the press.

Speaker 4 (39:26):
Conference after it wouldn't tell you that either.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
And the press conference is after. I'm sure they're going
to say good things about the guys they picked too. Yeah,
they're not gonna be like, we really don't want to
take this guy, but we had to.

Speaker 4 (39:40):
That's that's one I would like to hear. Oh God,
did we mess that one. It's like when the surgeon
comes out of the operating room and sees the family,
he always says, yeah, the operation was a success. I
want to hear one when he comes on, because why
did I mess that?

Speaker 2 (39:58):
One sho dies? That's yeah, that's all it goes. And
even then they won't admit it. But Bob, we appreciate
you stopping by and we'll see you next week. Bob Labriola,
the Dean of Doom, the Lord of living in his fears.
He is Matt Williamson. I'm Dale Lolly. You're listening to
the Drive here on Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers
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(40:58):
and give us your comments what you think the show,
all that fun stuff, Matt. So much of this draft
talk surrounding the Steelers centers on the quarterback position, Who,
if anybody, would you be willing or comfortable taking at
twenty one of this quarterback draft, assuming Cam Wintzer might

(41:22):
be none. Yeah, Cam wore is not going to be there,
So I understand.

Speaker 3 (41:26):
I'm on an island on this. But my Steeler, my
Steeler only quarterback ranks would go Ward, mill Roe, Sanders.
I'm not sure between Darton, Shuck Now and Labs had
some good points. We think we know where these guys

(41:47):
are going, but we don't, especially the quarterback position. I
think in this year, maybe more than ever, for where
they're projected to go. Milroe and Shuck are my favorite
at cost.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
Now, I've also gone back and forth. Would you take
Sanders at twenty one? Maybe I'm in the same boat,
you know. And would you take Milrow at twenty one?
I'm a maybe I can't take Milrow at twenty one?
Seeh if they're both sitting there, I would Row over Sanders.

(42:22):
The floor is too the floor is too low. Yeah,
I think Sanders floor is lower than he gets credit
for too.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
Though I don't disagree. Yeah, but I think there's more
tools to work with. As a true quarterback right now.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
Oh, he's better to start today for sure, times a thousand, right.
I really like Sanders from the neck up.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
That I would that would be a consideration for me.
I would not consider Jackson Dart at twenty one at all.
I would not.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
I can guarantee you I can come up with twenty
one players i'd pick ahead of him, and probably nowhere
in the first round.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
Would I take him? Now? If I trade it back
to if it was at thirty eight, that's a different conversation,
different conversation, right, But not at twenty one. There's going
to be somebody else there that's going to help me
much much more than what I think his ceiling can
be in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
So let's focus on Sanders because he seems like the
one that could go the Saints. He could go who knows,
and I definitely think the Browns of Giants. Maybe other
teams might move around for his services. Yeah, but in
a way, he almost looks like he's in no man's
land to some degree today, which is lies goal, right, Yeah,

(43:37):
but worries me for the Steelers. Like if I were
the Saints, I would have sandershead of Milroe. But i'm
the Steelers, I would have Milroe ahead of Sanders. So
if I'm doing generic rankings, I'd probably have Sanders ahead
of them.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
I just think on his best.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
Outcome is Carr, Cousins, Gino, and I don't want to
go to battle with those guys against Lamar and Burrow
for the next decade. You know, I'd rather miss and
come back next year and get another time.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
I hear you. But here's the here's the other side
of that argument. Yeah, And so I don't want to
be talking out of both sides of my mouth on
this one, because I was on board with the drafting
of Nogie Harris a few years ago in the first
round because you didn't have one didn't know back, you
didn't have you didn't have a lead back at all, right, right,
right right, and you had to have a lead back
coming of that. So why not take the guy that

(44:29):
you feel is the most is the best suited to
be that guy with that first round pick.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
See to me, that argument holds up for every other
position but quarterback, because I still think you could get
Carr or Cousins if Rogers turns his back on you
for this year. So I'm looking for this for the
next ten and I think Sanders has a chance to
have a good career and be a good starter. I

(44:58):
don't know that I can get where I need to
be with a good starter, especially when I have to
pay him in five years now. I mentioned like the
Saints for him. You don't have to pay him, No
you don't, you don't, but you can else. Yeah, you know,
I don't want to be in the Tua Pardy neighborhood either,
but that's five years down the road. You can draft
Hurts in the second round even when it went you know,

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Sanders specifically worries me a little bit in this area
of the country too. He's not a power thrower, and
he doesn't have the athleticism trump card to get out
of trouble when the snow's bad in the field in
Cleveland's crappy, and you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
Yeah, so yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:42):
If I'm the Saints and the Falcons and the Panthers,
most of my games don't matter that way, you know.
I mean it's kind of like Tua I mean, where
I love his toughness. I've I've opened my mind more
to Sanders than I did a month ago, because I
think it's.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
Well, a month ago, he wasn't. He wasn't to make consideration.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
Yeah, it's more real now that they might actually have
that decision. But I come down to it, if the
chips are on the table and I get to pick
Milroe or Sanders and those are my only options, I
can't trade out Grant and Nolan and those guys don't
even exist, I would pick Milrow. But I'm I very
much understand I'm in the minority.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
Yeah, I'm not using the.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
Twenty first pick in the draft on Jaln Milroe. Yeah,
I'm not sure I'm using on any is. I guess
the first question you asked that was right the bigger
right portion of this, and I don't know if either
would be in my twenty one.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:33):
I mean that's also a different story than how it
really goes, right, you know.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
Yeah, Yeah, it's all. It's part of the conundrum right
now that you face. And again, I think if you knew,
I'm I'm assuming like they know what's going on with
Aaron Rodgers much more so than anybody's putting out there.
I assume, and I all think that factors into it.
I think if they know, you know, even it factors

(46:58):
into it, but it doesn't preclude them from taking a
quarterback in the first round one hundred percent.

Speaker 3 (47:04):
But I also think it changes your viewpoint on a
little that. I don't think this quarterback they draft, whether
it's a twenty one or in the seventh round, plays
a snap unless there's massive injuries or you're two to
ten and it's time to see what they are, you
know what I mean. Well, maybe Milroy would get out.
They would never start a game. Yeah, you know, maybe
they play a snap, but they would never start a game.

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So I'm thinking, what are they going to be a
year from now?

Speaker 2 (47:28):
You know?

Speaker 3 (47:29):
To me, that's how I'm looking through the quarterback lens,
whether that's Rourke or Howard or Accord or the top guys.
With Rudolph in place, I don't even need a two.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
Yeah, I mean it's weird.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
I mean, it's kind of an odd situation and back
to kind of like we were chatting with Labs. I
have a hunch that they're not just sitting there every
day going I hope Aaron calls and signs they have
an idea, and if he doesn't, I bet they have
a car. A cousin's replacement playing.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
Wait you know, Matt, you're saying they have a plan,
I know, right, a plan and you were shocked by that, right, right.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
They're just not just rolling the dice and hope they
get snake eyes. Yeah right, yeah, yeah, I'm with you.
I don't think it's going to be a quarterback. I
was at twenty one. Yeah, I would understand if it is.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
Yeah, I don't know that. I would understand if it
was Dart.

Speaker 3 (48:20):
Would you understand if it's Milrow. I'm not saying you
do it.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
I would, und I would understand it. I wouldn't necessarily
agree with it, but I would understand because of the
ceiling what he could be.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
It's just the argument that if you love a quarterback,
what's too high?

Speaker 2 (48:37):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (48:39):
If you love them, if you love them, if you
love them and you got to leave this draft with them,
I get it.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
Well, somebody on the message board and you know brought
up you know, he put together four names.

Speaker 3 (48:50):
First of all, all four were black quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
Okay, but secondly, all four were drafted high in the
first round. Yeah. It was JaMarcus Russell and Trey Lance
and you know.

Speaker 3 (49:03):
We're talking about bus. Yeah, guys, that didn't.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
Dwayne hass He put Dwayne Haskins in the group, like
the eleventh pick in the draft. I can't remember who
else was there. Maybe it was Fields, I don't know.
Taking a guy in that top eleven twelve, eleven and
up picks or trading up for them like the forty
nine ers did with Trey Lance. That's a mistake that
you can't get out of. That you can't get out

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of if you just take a guy at twenty one.
That's completely different. It's completely different.

Speaker 3 (49:31):
I'm glad you brought that up because I thought about
maybe even us doing a whole segment on it, because
I if it was brought to my attention on a
podcast today Marcus Mosher, who was on our show. Once
he went and he looked at like the last five
or ten drafts. I saw it, and they were like
four quarterbacks drafted between It's a second half of round
one through like pick fifty. Yeah, which it sure looks

(49:54):
like there's gonna be guys drafted this year and it's
picket Lock Levis, like those guys don't even exist anymore.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
Was the other one?

Speaker 3 (50:05):
Maybe there was like one true hit. Hurts may even
been picked too late in round two. There was somebody
in that group that what was a good player? Yeah, yeah,
but I mean it's been no man's land. Yeah, and
they're all on different teams.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
But that's largely because of how the drafts have gone
in recent years.

Speaker 4 (50:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
Yeah. You didn't used to see the quarterbacks all go
get clustered at the top of the first round. Right.
That was not the case fifteen years ago.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
Now that doesn't mean everyone that's picked between sixteen and
fifteen in this draft's gonna stink. Forget about them, right,
I mean, they got no chance, but it is weird
that basically what the point is. If the league loves.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
Them, they don't last till twenty you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (50:43):
And if they don't, there's questions in that position so
hard it's hard to hit.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
Yeah, but I mean if we were sitting here.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
As a Buffalo podcast radio show, we might be like, Ah,
this class stanks.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
I don't worry about you know.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
But sometimes you squint this time of year and you're like, well,
I can see where mill Roe, you know. I mean,
I worried that I'm doing that with Milroe.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
I think you are to a certain degree probably, I
mean He's very unrefined as a passion, no question, there's
no doubt about it. But he has a trump card
that nobody else in this draft has exactly. He is
every bit the runner Lamar Jackson is, and he might
be better in something.

Speaker 3 (51:23):
Might be Yeah, I mean more physical. He doesn't like
the stop start or maybe the vision. But he's big
and strong and he made a strong rocket. He's a
better runner than Fields was. Right, And again, I've never
met the young man. But the thing I like best
about him is how they're raving about the intelligence and
the character and the academic heisman and all that stuff too,
Like any.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
Of both of his parents were military or in the military, right,
Like you know what kind of young man you're getting?

Speaker 3 (51:48):
Yes, And I always say that, like if you don't
have that, that only gets you to the table. Yeah,
you know, now you've got to have the traits. Well,
he's got traits traits, you know what I mean. And
I'm not questioning Sanders or Dard or any of those
guys in that regard, but I just know if he hits,
he'll hit the biggest of all of them.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
Yeah, that's the thing. He's got the highest ceiling, No question,
So where do you measure that in That's going to
be the question. You know, where do you get back
to that?

Speaker 3 (52:12):
And if two years from now you're like, well, he's
never going to do it, it doesn't destroy you. Especially
if you get him at thirty five.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
I might make him a wide receiver running.

Speaker 3 (52:20):
Right right, but he's a kicker, turner or whatever too.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
He's doing something, there's something. He'll find ways to get
him on the field. Anyways, that's going to do for
our number one of the drive here on the Steelers
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