April 16, 2025 • 42 mins
The Drive duo first run their daily mock, dissect a top 350 list, and ponder the question of trading upwards for a running back in this year's deep class.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
At least.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
He's the drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on
your twenty four to seven Home of the Black and
Gold cast in Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
And welcome back.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
I am Dale Lolly. He is the Matt Williamson and
Matt starting an hour number two here. Sound for us
to do a mock draft. All right, we're gonna use
the Pro Football Focus, uh mock drafter today and the
first twenty picture in. You only have one trade offer,
so I think we might be sticking and picking. Yeah,
(00:37):
it's the Lions at twenty eight, but it's not terrible play.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
So you got Luther Burden, Josh Simmons, Mecca Agbuca, Kelvin Banks,
tackle from Texas, James Pearce edge rusher from Tennessee, o'mari
and Hampton running back from North Carolina, Colston Loveland, a
tight end from Michigan, Omar Norman Lott. They got him, Wow,
a lot higher than man. I don't see that. Gray's
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Abel tackle from North Dakota. Our offensive lineman from North
Kota State, Trey Amos, who was in for a visit.
Josh Connery the offensive tackle from Oregon, Shamar Stewart who's
in for a visit. Jayden Higgins, who's in for a visit? Boy,
did the Derek Harmon is still there?
Speaker 1 (01:17):
And I said, all three of the tackle's gone. Defense
tackle Derek Carmon is still there. Considering two are gone,
might just have to stick.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Stick In the quarterbacks, well, Shador Sanders is there as well.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Okay, but Nolan and Grant must be gone. I'm just
looking here. I believe that they both are. Yes, Okay,
which could happen? Could happen that way? The good prospects,
I would go Harmon.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
I think I would too, just based on the discussion
we just had.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
I like him more and more. I think he's a really,
really good player. I took me a while to say
would I take him at twenty one? And now I'm
gladly would take him in twenty one. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
It's funny that on the Pro Football Focus boards he's
getting pushed down a little bit from where he was
at before.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Really, I feel more comfortable with him and more I
more I learned, the more I watch more everything about him.
I am very comfortable with him. Yeah, very disruptive. Long,
I mean to stick, and we're gonna stick and pick. Yeah,
I like it.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
The next question then becomes, do we try to trade
up into the second round for what? Well, I just
mentioned there's quarterbacks available.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
I mean I would strongly consider a shuck or a
million or whatever. Or we're trading up for a running back?
Makes sense? Maybe maybe the great guy is there? All right,
I'm gonna draft Harmon. Whoops, I screwed up only I
only hit one round on that one, So we're gonna
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let it run again here.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
I shouldn't take long here to get I didn't hit
seven on that one.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Like, why is it stopping? I've done that.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Yeah, I get the same settings in there. Okay, we're good.
I assume Harmon will be our man. Well, I'm sure
he will be based on their rankings as low as
he is. Okay, So Harmon, where you at Harmon?
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Where you at Harmon? There is?
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Harmon is the pick? Okay, whoop, I'm gonna pause here.
We're at fifty eight. Okay, and I'm just going to
look here, scatter Bow went. Caleb Johnson went, this isn't
lining up well for us. Uh looks like maybe maybe? Yeah,
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it looks like both Ohio State running backs are there.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
You have a preference. I think I tack Henderson. I'm
a Henderson fan. Yeah. Yeah, his sounds like the league
is a Henderson fan too.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
His past protection, like he's the best pass protector in
his draft.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Yeah, and he is two hundred and five ten pound
running back. And it just gets you on the few
now which will.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Let you play now? Yeah, even if you Yeah, I mean,
I just think he is. So do we want to
call the Texans and try to move up at fifty eight?
Speaker 1 (04:10):
We haven't done that often. I'm up for it. I'm
up thrilled about giving up my first or second next year.
I'm not giving up a first or second this year,
but I'll give up it's gonna take at least a third.
We're gonna give up eighty three. Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna
put Okay, next year's two, well, they'll definitely do it
for that. Yeah. I don't want to get rid of
next year's two. Next year's two alone. I consider next
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year's two and like a five.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
This year, Let's see if they'll take one eighty five,
there's a seventy one percent chance of being accepted.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Could we do next year's two and a six?
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Let me see if they let me see if they
would take our three and next year's three they would
take that.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Yeah, I figured that would get it done.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
And we might even be able to get a little
sweetener back at in the back end of it.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
I think I'd rather dump a late pick this year
and next year's two. Next year's two makes for a better
radio for this. Yeah, that's true, a third round pick,
but I mean Vegas is telling us Henderson has a
really good chance to go in the first round. True,
I'm just thinking, okay, moving up for him. So here's
(05:20):
what I've come up with.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Fifty eight and one sixty six, okay for next year's two,
and pick one fifty six, which is a fifth round
pick this year.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Let's do it something different we never do.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Le's see if they accept it first and they did, okay, Okay,
So the players available to us.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Here, we'll be trade up for Henderson.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Well, there's us some other guys though, you get sweating her, okay,
Dylan Samson, Elijah or Rojo, the tight end out of Miami,
Traveon Henderson, Ola Dejo, the edge rusher from UCLA Mkuba,
that's safety from Texas. Quinn Shaw Junks is also there.
But Jeff so is Jaln Milroe.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
I prefer Milroe, but I mean our intentions were to
go get Henderson. I'm absolutely fine with that, Okay.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Yeah, and he might last to pick eighty three as possible. Yeah,
but we're going to have the running back in hand.
I think while this is a deep running back draft,
I think there's four guys.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
That stand out.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
It's difference making, and Johnson's on the periphery of that.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
He would fit this scheme. Wy. Yeah, I mean, but
he's not for everybody, right, and he's already gone in
this particular draft, which would make me all the more
want to trade up. And I mean you get a
lot more explosive with Metcalf and Henderson offense.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Yeah, all right, Travon Henderson it is. And we kept
our pick at eighty three. We don't second round pick
next year. Okay. We are up now at pick eighty three,
and guess what, Jaln Milroe is still available.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
I think you do it. Yeah. He pulled the trigger
on that right away, and it's gonna be harder to
without a second, it's gonna be harder to move up
in round one next year's If that's a path you
have to take whatever.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Maybe I've got a young quarterback now right right, Okay,
and you know what if if I really fall in
love with somebody next year, first, I'll trade a first
to future first to move up to do.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
What I gotta do. Yep, absolutely all right.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
We're up at one twenty three top players available save
on Jones. He has rusher out of LSU.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
R J.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Mickens, a safety out of Clemson, Jaden Blue running back
out of Texas, Isaac Tesla, wide receiver from Arkansas, Trevor
ATM running back out of Georgia, Gunner Helm, tight end
from Texas. I really think we need to get a nose.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
I would say I want a d lineman. Yeah, I'm
looking big people here. I'm gonna just go look at
the big people.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Top guys available, Ty Robinson from Nebraska, Cameron Jackson from Florida.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
I consider Jackson there.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Yeah, Tim Smith from Alabama.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
I prefer Jackson.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Jared Harrison Hunt from SMU. He's not a nose. Talk
to Hemingway, not really a nose. So I think it
comes down to Cameron Jackson or Tim Smith.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
I prefer Jackson, but they're pretty similar. Big space eater, Yeah,
we get size and physicality, the miliary defense, minimal snaps.
You're taking those over a receiver, no lineman, or let.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Me see what a receiver you're looking at, Tesla Isaiah
bond Ty Felton, Pat Bryant can not a mumpfield. I
don't necessarily need a receiver.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Right right because of those names are leaping off the pens.
Is a really good receiver too, like yeah, I mean
he's gonna help you there. And your second round pick
was a receiver. Looking at the offensive lineman Jalen Rivers
is there, Brandon, but they did sign Max Sharping. Since
we got the last and another one, they'll probably make
the team. Yeah, not a throwaway guy.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
He's guys started about I think thirty five forty games
in league. Interior offensive line of Seth MacLachlan, the center
from Ohio State, Willie Lampkin.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Nobody really standing out. Let's go with the nose.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Yeah, Cameron Jackson it is.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
We don't take him very often, but we got big
and beefy yeah real huge, Yeah, yeah, all.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Right, we're back to out. We got one sixty six,
which is the pick that we got. Addition, uh, top
players available r J Mickens the safety out of Clemson.
Ty Robinson still there for Nebraska. Jordan Hancock the safety
out of Ohio State, Quin Yours quarterback out of Texas.
Craig Woodson the safety out of cow Canada. Mumpfield, wide
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receiver from Pitt Woodson.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
I think Woodson's pretty slot capable.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
He's played a decent amount of slot in his career.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
I know DJ's really high on him.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Yeah, and he's six foot two hundred and ten pounds.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Could he be your your big slot maybe. But I
also think Thornhill could too. I think Thornhill can do
that as well.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
But it's a one year contract for Thornhill and it's
tough to get another safety.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Under the rosters. That's a broad part is if you
draft a d back, I'd really like it to be
something to fight with Trice.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Yeah, you know, I hear you. Jackson haw is still there.
I'm just gonna mention the names that stand out to me.
Dante Thornton, the wide receiver out of Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
I think he's intriguing. Just have him learned with just
kind of watch what Metcalf and Pickings do to some
degree and basically red shirt.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Them Connor Colby the guard out of Iowa, Iowa offensive
lineman or often you know what you're getting there. Tyler
Cooper the guard out of Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
I'm sure tackles are gone. Zah Frasier is still there.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Jason Marshall, the cornerback out of Florida, Jaylen Travis, the.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Tackle out of Iowa State there.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Well, yeah, we haven't talked much about him, but he's
certainly six seven, three and forty pounds.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Yeah, maybe he's a guard, but intriguing. Yeah, three hundred
and forty pounds, yeah, six foot seven guard or tackle.
Denzel Burke still there. Emery Jones still there. Emiy Jones
would be my favorite name probably of the group.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Okay, you wanna take Emery Jones. Get another pick coming
at one eighty five? Yeah, yeah, all right, Emery Jones
it is.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Now.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
We can go a lot of different ways here. Ty
Robinson just finally went and one eighty four.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
He's been teasing us.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Look at the wide receivers you're looking at. Cannata Mumfield
from pitt Samuel Brown from Miami, Dante Thornton from Tennessee,
Andrew Armstrong from Arkansas, KeAndre Lambert Smith from Auburn. Cayden
Praither from Maryland's not a bad player.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
I like the Auburn kid. I like the Tennessee kid.
Chime or Dyke is there. I'm a I'm a fan
of his as well. Really explosive. So one of those
receivers is appealing.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
So there's some options there. Cornerback Zoph Fraser is still there,
as is Jason Marshall, the cornerback out of Florida, Jalen Smith,
the corner out of South Carolina or USO.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
I did a little bit of deep corner work in
the last twenty four hours. Smith grew on me a
little bit because he's a man guy. Yeah. I like Smith. Yeah,
I like Smith a lot. He can play inside. He
was it inside and they kicked him outside this year.
PFF gave him really good grades for me. I mean
he's not tiny, he's five eleven one nineties Yeah, yeah,
he's a typical corner size, right. That would be fine
(12:30):
with me. I like a couple of those receiver names
who are a couple more of the corners you know.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Mine Central Sempress, the other Florida state cornerback, Mac McWilliams
from UCF Tommy Hill from Nebraska.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Shamari Summon. Hill was someone I'm really interested too. I
remember Max bringing him up at the Mass. Likes him
a lot. He's heard a bunch. He's big. Yeah, I
like Tommy Hill. He's also another man guy.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
You're kind of projecting a little bit, you know, just
because of that. But he's six foot two of five.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Yeah, yeah, he's thick. Yeah. I think I'd take one
of those corners. You have a feeling one way or
the other. I think I'd rather go with Hill. I
don't need the inside outside versatility quite as much if
I can get a pure outside, Okay, And I think
he'll can do both too, come to think of it.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Okay, and we still have picked left at two twenty nine.
Saff Frasier's still there as his mid field. Jarrison Harrison
Jared Harrison Hunt the defensive lineman. We take three defensive line.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Signed. He'd be cutting somebody. Jalen Travis, the tackle from
Iowa States. That would be bad. That's a nice consolation prize,
right right, big dude, I would take the tackle. I'll
take the tackle. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Jalen Travis from Iowa State. If he doesn't make it,
doesn't make it, you know, Yeah, he doesn't make it.
You kick him the garden. See if he can play that. Yeah,
he's massive.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
No, I like that. Okay, we trade it back into
round two.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
We traded back in around to We did trade next
year's too, but I was second right, But we got
Derek Carr for US. Yeah, defensive tackle from Oregon. We
got Travon Henderson. And around two it picked fifty eight.
We got Jaylen Milroe at eighty three, Cameron Jackson, the
defensive lineman from Florida at one twenty three, Emery Jones,
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the offensive tackle from Lsuka at one sixty six, Tommy Hill,
cornerback out of Nebraska at one eighty five, and another
offensive lineman, Jaylen Travis, out of Iowa State at two
twenty nine.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Not huge o'lon investments. So there's two of them there.
We'll figure out how what happens in practice squad spots. Yeah,
if you if that happened, if they drafted Henderson, who
would you put a chip down to lead the team
in rushing, Warren or Henderson? I would I would lean
towards Warren. Most backs they would take, I would take Warren.
But that was a tough one. That's a tough one.
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I bet Warren told probably get more touches.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Henderson I think would supplant Warren as the third down back.
I think Warm would take over because there was I
think the I think the roles would switch a little
bit and Warm would become more of the every down back. Again,
this idea that Jaylen Warren is a small back. Yeah,
two hundred and fifteen pound running back. He was smaller than.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Nausey, smaller than the biggest backs eighty percent of the
teams out there. He's the biggest back on the team. Yeah,
and then maybe it's not even early down. Third down
with those guys, it could splows up.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Yeah, you can find I can find ways to get
him on the field together.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Yeah, absolutely, they both couldn't a lot I'll put you know,
they both can protect, and they both can run routes. Yeah,
you know, it's well, I need to know. It'd be
an interesting backfield. Yeah, and then you know, throw a
mill row into the equation. Oh yeah, in terms of
ball carriers right game, wells are three and you know.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
But you got bigger upfront defensively and offensive and offensive
A couple of young offensive Linemen to the mix.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
There.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
He got a nice young cornerback that you can, you know,
maybe turn something, turn into something.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
And you might have a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
You might have a quarterback, and you got a running
back who is a I mean, coming out of high
school he was the number one back in the country.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
It doesn't probably at all. But it's a nice mix
of win now and build for the future. But you
don't have the second next year. You don't have the
second next year. But I like harmon. Yeah, and you
maybe you got your quarterback. That's the key. I mean,
the draft is a home run. If you got your quarterback, yeah,
you know, I don't care about the second. But if
you didn't, then live the fight other day. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
So anyways, let's get to a break. He is the
Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly. You're listening to the
Drive here on the Steelers Audio Network, Matt and I'll
be back with more right after this.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
At least.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on
your twenty four to seven Home of the Black and
Gold cast in Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
And we are back. I am Dale Lolly.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
He is the Matt Williamson and Matt Jordan Reid on
ESPN has come out with his top what is he
calling this top three hundred and fifty prospects? Oh ye,
which is more realistic. Nobody ranks six hundred.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
I forgot about that, didn't what the number was, but
that six hundred is way too many. And again, no
one's gonna be like most teams really about two hundred
guys on her board. Some have way low. Yeah, right,
right right. You don't have to get that far into it.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
So just looking here, he has Travis Hunter number one,
I agree with that. Abdell Carter two. He has Mason
Graham number three.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Yeah, I mean it starts to get Harry after a while,
but that's not where I would have him.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
He has esch and genty number four, armand Membo number five.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
It'd be my number one, O Lineman, but Simmons is
hard to talk about.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
At six, he has Jaylen Walker, the edge rusher out
of Georgia. This is where this whole draft goes off
the rent.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
I say, it's crazy if Graham and Walker three, four five,
six neighborhood. That doesn't say a lot about the draft
to me.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Has Will Campbell's seven, the guard out of LSU that
listened to his garden. His offensive tackle is cam Ward
at eight. Will Johnson, the cornerback out of Michigan at nine.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
I like him, but didn't that a very good year.
And he's not fast and he's kind of his own
only guy. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Tyler Warren, the tight end out of Penn State, is
at ten.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
I didn't know this until I was staring at the
beast today. Lovelan's like almost two four years younger than Warren.
Warren's a late breakout guy. You know, a lot of
manufactured stuff. I like the player, but he's not a
slam dunk either.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
He has gehad Campbell, the linebacker out of Alabama at eleven.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
That's pretty high, but I understand it. There's a lot
there to like. Yeah. The thing we don't talk about him, mind.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
The thing that worries me about him is he had
surgery for a laboram tear right now, right after the combine.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Yeah, very shortly.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Like again, I had a laboram tear and I rehab
the heck out of it because I had to get ready.
I had it during I think in December, and I
told my my physical therapists I'm like, I gotta be
ready for baseball season, you know, at the beginning of March.
And he worked me hard, obviously not working as hard
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as he.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
I bet camboys as well, but it took me a
while to get the full range back. I bet, like,
what's the usual recovery time six months or so? What
you're supposed to be? Yeah, you wonder, I mean, he
can be in mini camp and things like that.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
They said it was a slight tear of the labor Still,
they went in there, they.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Do surgery in there.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
It's it's you know, that's not a walk in the park.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
And that's what ended Tony Bisselli's career. It was it
was a laborm injury and he had the surgery and
they made it. They screwed it up. I was confused
because there's a bunch of labor ms in the body,
aren't there? Yeah? Every cup joint? Yeah, okay.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Twelve Walter Nolan defensive tackle from Ole miss I.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Totally get it.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Thirteen Mike Keil Williams, he had rusher out of Georgia.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Violent. They're explosive as I'd like.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Fourteen Tetero McMillan, the wide receiver out of Arizona.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Is Golden your wide receiver one. I can even make
a case for Bird, And like, I don't think any
of them are wide receiver ones. Yeah, I don't love
any other. There are a bunch of wide receiver twos.
Is exactly they are, right right.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Josh Simmons, the offensive tackle from Ohio State at fifteen,
I mean I've.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Heard that there's a little bit of immaturity. Yeah, he's
a younger player. His tape before his injury was against
all the bad teams, even lasted in the playoffs and
all that. But even if all those things are sort
of true, he's a one of the most talent. One
of his games came against Mike Green. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Yeah, it's a good point, and he shut down Mike Green.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Yeah. Like, I mean he's the most talented tackle in
the draft. Yeah, I think that's pretty clear.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Sixteen is Colston Loveland, the tight end out of Michigan,
oh Fan. Seventeen is Malachi Starks, safety out of Georgia.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Okay, but it says a lot that. I mean, he's
a good prospect, he's on a special prospect.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Eighteen is Mike Green, the addresser at of Marshall he's.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Grown on me more and more. I like lots of play. Yeah,
if you need an edge.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Nineteen is Shador Sanders, fair quarterback out of Colorado. Twenty
Kelvin Banks, the offensive tackle out of Texas.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
See some concerns about him too, but he's a guard
at worst.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Yeah, and mechag Buka, the wide receiver out of Ohio
State at twenty one.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
I wonder like Banks and a Buca, they both seem
pretty safe. Like maybe no, the one's going to be
Pro Bowlers, but in this draft, and maybe you're just
happy with safe.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Maybe Omari and Hampton running back out of North Carolina
at twenty two. Twenty three is Matthew Golden, Okay, wide
receiver from Texas. That those are the guys, those first
twenty three of the guys that he has with a
true first round grade.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Which seems even a little mithway too. It's a little
rich for me. I'm not sure how many. I might
have seven or eight of them.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Yeah, starting off his guys with round two grades.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
John A.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Barron, the cornerback out of Texas, Okay, Grey's Abel the
offensive li a Dakota State. Tyler Booker, guard from Alabama.
Scheme specific, Derek Harmon, defensive tackle from Oregon.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
I look at Harmon like he's closer to Nolan than
he is some of these guys.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
And that's at twenty seven. Yeah, Yeah, twenty eight Shamar Stewart,
he had rusher out of Texas A and M twenty
nine Kenneth Grant, defensive tackle from Michigan.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
I feel a lot more confident about the three D
lineman than a lot of these players.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Thirty Luther Burdon, wide receiver from Missouri.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
I will say about Burden, if you just watch his
twenty three tape, is the best of any receivers in
this dress. Yeah, but last year was a mess.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Thirty one Donovan as Areku, the d rusher out of
Boston College.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Plays run well too solid.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Player thirty two is Donovan Jackson, the guard from Ohio State.
So three interior offensive linemen in his top thirty two,
but they all have round two grades on them. Sounds
about right, yeah, which is why I don't know that
any of those guys go in the first round.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
I don't they should, right, I.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Mean, because that you do have to start, especially if
for picking at the end of the first round, you're like, okay,
I'm gonna take this guy. I'm gonna plug him into
my line. And because we're good, and we're gonna be
on TV a lot, and we're gonna play, you know,
presumably playing conference. Maybe he makes the Pro Bowl a
couple of times in the next two years, and all
of a sudden, I gotta payhim twenty five million dollars.
(23:45):
It's a Trey Smith argument, Like Trey Smith's a good player, right, right, right,
But it was he, you know, a twenty eight five
million dollars a year player.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Like no, But speaking of the chief. So if you're
sitting there thirty one and you take Donovan Jackson, I
totally understand it. I get it. Yeah, right, but yeah,
may win Super Bowls here.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Nick Muwari, safety out of South Carolina at thirty three.
Chevon Revel the cornerback out of East Carolina at thirty four.
He could hit big, yeah, but who knows. Thirty five
Traveon Henderson, running back out of Ohio State.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
He's my third running back.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
I had him two in our first rankings. I bump
Hampton and half that at he's he's a good player,
he is. He is thirty six. Josh Connery, the offensive
tackle from Oregon. See, that's the thing. If I'm taking
if I'm looking at these guys, the guards, I'm taking
the tackle.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
I'm paying Connorlly Yeah yeah. If I'm the if I
want to pay a tackle price in the first round, yeah,
yea yeah, I might as well take a tackle. I
say that. I think the tackles are going to go earlier.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
James Pierce, the edge rusher out of Tennessee at thirty seven.
Thirty eight Maxwell Harriston, the cornerback out of Kentucky.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
He seems like a late two to me that's going
to go in the top.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Forty thirty nine is Mason Taylor, the tight end out.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Of La solid I think he's another safe one. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Trey Amos at forty the cornerback out of Ole miss
Elijah Arrojo at forty one, tight end out of Miami.
Quinn Shawn Judkins, a running back from Ohio State at
forty two. Fair arianta Urseri, the offensive tackle from Minnesota
at forty three.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
I think he's one of the most underrated players in
the league or in the draft.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Forty four is Darius Alexander, defensive tackle from Toledo.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Was in today right yep.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Forty five is Jonas Siavania, the offensive lineman from Arizona.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
There's a chance he's a tackle. It's a chance, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Forty six is TJ. Sanders, the defensive tackle from South Carolina.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
We don't talk about him much, but that's about where
he should go. Yeah, playoff team in the second round.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Forty seven Carson Swessinger, the linebacker out of UCLA.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
I bet he goes pretty high. There's not many off
the ball backers. If you need one, Yeah, and you
don't get Campbell, he's going to go pretty early. Forty
eight is Azeri A. Thomas, the cornerback from or the State. Good,
but I mean if you're a four to six guy.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Forty nine is Benjamin Morrison, the cornerback from Notre Dame.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Him and Ravel are both really intriguing me.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
But Nick Scourton, the edge rusher out of Texas A
and M completes his fifty other guys that he has
with round two grades on them. Jared Wilson, the center
out of Georgia.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
That's as high as all on him. I don't think
he's bad. I think he's a starter.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
I don't have them ahead of their other interior offensive lineman. No, No,
Jackson Dart at fifty two.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
It's bold and I like it.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Tyleek Williams at fifty three to defensive tackle out of
Ohio State.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
That's late for me.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Marcus and Bough the guard from Purdue. Kyle Williams at
fifty five, the wide receiver at of Washington State. That's
about as highs I've seen him.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
We were just talking about how we think he's underrated.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Xavier Watch the safety from Notre Dame fifty six.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Whish is a little bit better athlete, but I can
get away with it at safety.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Alfred Collins at fifty seven, the defensive tackle from Texas.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
If you had to pick between Alfred Collins and Malik Williams,
you don't get one of them. For the Steelers wether
d lineman, who do you pick? Colins? Collins is a
mod like he's way batten down the halls. I mean,
he's as an oak tree in the middle of redwood.
He might even be able to play some three four
n for it.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
I think he can, Yeah, I think you can. I
just think what Williams does, he does better than anything
Collins does.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Jayden Higgins at fifty eight wide receiver at them pretty
late to state.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
I think he'll go look way before that.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Landon Jackson at fifty nine, Ed rusher from Arkansas, Jaylen
Milroe at sixty Okay j T two and Maloa at
sixty one.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
These are all second round grades.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
These are all second round grades. Ed Rush Redd of
Ohio State, Trey Harris, wide receiver from Ole Miss at
sixty two, Emery Jones the guard from LSU. Offensive tackle
guard from LSU at sixty three.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Yeah, I don't understand him as a fifth round pick.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
His round three prospects. I'll just hit on some the
bigger names here. Caleb Johnson at sixty four.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
I'm fine with that, especially with that position.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
DJ Giddens is a running back from k State at
sixty six. Noel the wide receiver from Miowa State at
sixty eight. Right after him as jack Beck at sixty nine.
We got CJ. West at seventy six, the defensive tackle
in the enemy.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
I could see him going on Day two.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
Elika Yemanor at seventy seven, wide receiver at a Stanford.
Josh Farmer, defensive tackle out of Florida State at seventy eight.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Good d tackles in this neighborhood.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Tate rat Ledge is at seventy nine, the guard from Georgia.
Noel Williams, cornerback out of.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Cal at eighty. We were sat how he's underrated. I
think that's about where he belongs. Man.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
You got Quincy Riley, cornerback out of Louisville at eighty five.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
It's a little higher than most, aren't. Yeah it is.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Jaln royal Is, a wide receiver from Utah State, is
at eighty six. Jamari Caldwell at eighty nine, the defensive
tackle from Oregon.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Yeah, a couple of noses in this neighborhood.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Let's see here round four. Devin Neil at ninety seven.
The running back out of Kansas as a fan, Cal
McCord is at one hundred. R. J. Harvey, the running
back from my UCF who was in with the Steelers
yesterday at one oh one.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Tyler Shuck all the way down at one o three.
Pretty late, uh.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Dylan Sampson, running back from Tennessee, all the way down
at one O five.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
I see a lot of mixed takes on him, and
I understand it. It's such a weird off weird offense.
He's a little smaller, but he's good with all in
his hands.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Damian Martinez from Miami the running back at one oh eight.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
He's one of my favorites for where he's slotted to go.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Yeah, jj Pegee the nose tackle out of Ole miss
is it one twelve? Got zaf Frasier all the way
up at the one sixteen at a UTSA.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
I think that's fair back.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Yeah, he's Bachelle Tooton is right after him, running back
out of Virginia Tech.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
It's a good neighbor to go running seventeen. Yeah, I
know he is straighted up for one, but if you
don't get one in the first two days, you're gonna
get somebody's pretty decent. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Charles Grant is there in that neighborhood from William and
mary the offensive tackle.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Uh, you're looking.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
We got Jordan Phillips the nose tackle out of Maryland
at one twenty seven.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Scatter Bow Camp Scatabos at one twenty nine. There's a
bunch of backs rated ahead of scato Bow.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Yeah, I'm souring on. I think his athleticism is pretty poor.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Jack Sawyer, the edge rusher from Ohio State, all the
way down at one thirty five.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Good, that's why I think he is.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Right ahead of Upton Stout going back at Western Kentucky.
Let's see here, who is anybody else? Note Vernon brought
in at one forty eight. The defensive tackle His round
four is massive.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
A lot of guys with round four.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
It goes all the way, goes from pick ninety six
all the way down to one sixty four. Wow, there
aren't that many round four picks. Obvious are the guys
he has graded as round four guys. Cameron Jackson in
that group as well. Defensive tackles.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
That's pretty much covered. The first five rounds would be Yeah,
four round grades for him, right, you know?
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Including compact, his round five prospect goes from one sixty
five down to to seventeen.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Draft's almost over at that. Yeah, this is what we're
talking about when we say this is a deeper draft.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Just it's not super important. But like, who's two seventeen for?
Like who's the end of the round five guys? Goet
uh me like some a small neighborhood.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Yaha, blackout to twelve? Okay, defensive tackle from Iowa. Zeke Biggers.
The defensive tackle from Georgia Tech, Mac McWilliams the cornerback
at the UCF, Jackson Woodard linebacker from UNLV.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
They're all getting drafted.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
They're not like the defensive tackle out of Boston College.
And Aaron Smith, the wide receiver from Georgia who can fly,
who can flat out fly. His round six goes from
two eighteen.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
To two eighty. Wow, he might be a little generous creator.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
And round seven prospects goes from two eighty one all
the way down to I take it three fifty because
he did three fifty.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Yeah. Yeah, So I don't disagree that there's a lot
of fourth, fifth round type guys. Yeah, more than more
than round It's not it's top heavy.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
It's not top heavy, but it does have depth.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Yeah yeah. And I bet when we look back five
ten years from now, we'll be like, well, there were
some mid round guys that are the really hit. Yeah,
you know, you just got to find the right ones.
H So, but you don't pay as much for him,
you do not. So let's get to a break. Here.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale, Lolly. You're listening
to the drive here on the Steelers Audio Network. Matt
and I will be back to finish up the show
right after this.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
At least, he's the drive with Dale Lolly and Matt
Williamson on your twenty four to seven Home of the
Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Welcome back.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
I am Dale Lolly, he is the Matt Williamson and
Matt We just traded up for.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Running back in our mark draft. Crazy move for us,
crazy move.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
But in some people say, well, you know, why would
you trade up for a running back in this particular
draft because it's so deep.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
In running back. Yeah, and it's a strong point. I
get it.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Yeah. At the same time, I think if you identify
a guy that you think is a difference maker, it's
no different than any other any other position. Like I
want to go get the guy that I want.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
A difference maker at a position of need in particular,
I mean, you need to get one. The offense is
really lacked. I mean, just keep it Steeler centric. The
offense is lacked explosion. It's lacked playmakers for too long now,
you know. And if it's Rogers orchestrating it with a
fivesome of well even a eight some of Briar Muth Washington,
(33:49):
Metcalf Pickens, Warren Henderson and Austin or Wilson. That's a
lot better than what you've been operating with with people
to touch the football since Ben. Yeah. Yeah, you want
to fix the problem. You gotta fix the problem. Yeah,
I mean, you gotta what break eggs to make an
(34:09):
omelet or whatever? You know. Yeah, it's not free.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
I look here at the running backs that have been
taken in the first round over the last few drafts.
Okay none last year, right, it was a not a
great running back draft class.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Yeah, who's the first running back? Jonathan Brooks? Okay Brooks and.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Then Benson and yeah or and marshalln Lloyd and a
lot of.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
The more hurt. Yeah, it's not looking great so far.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
The year before that, well, Jean Robinson and Jamier Gibbs
were both first round draft picks. Runs, right, Nobody's going
to argue that they weren't worth the picks.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
No, right, And they were pretty high picks. Yeah right.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Twenty twenty two, Bristol is the thirty six pick in
the draft. Pretty good player.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Like I trade next year second for the rookie version
of Breecee Hall.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
Yeah, Kenneth Walker went with pick forty one, I'm still fan. Yeah,
James Cook also went in the second round that year
at pick sixty three.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
That's starting to look pretty good. That's yeah, those are
good players.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
In twenty twenty one, you had Nauseie Harris at twenty four,
Travis atn at twenty five. Javonte Williams was the thirty
fifth pick in the draft. So so Nogi Harris, I
don't care what people he was a he was a
hit at twenty four atn's looking pretty rough, and yeah,
he's one good year. The rest has been and Williams
(35:33):
just got hurt. But again, you know, so uh the
year before that was twenty twenty, only one back in
the first round. That was Clyde Edwards Hilaire at thirty two.
That was another one of those that was a good
class where people said at during the draft, I can't
believe that people let the Chiefs get Clyde Edwards Hilaire
right in the draft.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Well, thank god that they didn't. They got him instead
of Jonathan Taylor.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Jonathan Taylor or even DeAndre Swift would have made a
much bigger.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Even Dobbins at the time, much better first two years
of his career. Right Edwards Hilaire is the biggest miss
of them all. Yeah, without a doubt. I will say
I really liked that group. I mean Acres was the
other one, and it didn't pan out as much as
I expected. I mean, Edwards Hilaire was still my five.
I was shocked they took him. Yeah, but I expected
that group to produce more than they did.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
Twenty nineteen, Josh Jacobs went a picked twenty four.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
It's been really good, good player.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
Miles Sanders went at fifty three.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Mixed, but that's not super early. Yeah, he's had his moments.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
Yeah, there was not another pick in the first two rounds.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
And one of the arguments, obviously, is these guys don't last.
I mean a lot of these dudes. Their story is
probably already over. Yeah, Acres and Sanders and.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
You know Saquon Barkley went it two overall in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Well, the super high picks have all been hit. They
hit the top ten running backs or been superstars.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
You know, Christian McCaffrey was the overall pick. Dalvin Cook
when at forty one a long time Joe mixed that
that draft. To me, that twenty seventeen draft is more
is closer to I think what this one, I agree
might be. You had Leonard Fourne at at four.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
A bit of an overdraft a bit, but it wasn't horrible, No,
I mean.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Changed, it changed the face of that team really.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
Yeah, Christian McCaffrey at eight, they might go to the
Hall of Fame, Dalvin Cook at forty one, Joe Mixon
at forty eight, Alvin Kamara at sixty seven. At eighty
six was Kareem Hunt. Okay, Deontay Foreman at eighty nine,
who is still in the league. Yeah, yeah, James Connor
(37:43):
at one oh five.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
I could see Martinez having a James Connor type of career.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Samaj p Ryan at one fourteen, still in the league,
Tarik Cohen at one nineteen. Again, that's that smaller back.
You just don't last as long, No, they don't. Joe
Williams went to the forty nine Ers at one twenty one.
Then they'll Pumphrey at one thirty two. But Jamal Williams
at one thirty four to the Packers.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
There's another Packer back here. Yeah, still turn along pretty well.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
You had Wayne Gallman at one forty to the Giants,
Marlon Mack one forty three, to the Colts career, Brian
Hill to the Falcons at one fifty six, Jeremy McNichols
at one sixty two to the Buccaneers still.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
In the league. Yeah, yeah, t J.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
Logan at one seventy nine to the Cardinals, Aaron Jones,
Aaron Jones at one eighty two to the Packers. Uh,
just looking at anybody the other guys hit. Chris Carson
to the Seahawks in the seventh round.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
That's home run two. Yeah, that's what he is. So
what's that like, twenty four to twenty five backs something
like that?
Speaker 3 (38:49):
There were draft There were thirty backs that year that
got drafted.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
About I bet you're about the saying this year probably
about half of which hit hit right, But all the
early guys did. Yeah. I say, if you're missing it,
if your sixth rounder end up playing a year or
two and turn into a special team or that happens
every year. You know.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
That's why a lot of times when we do our
mock drafts, at least we have we double down take two.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
Oh, I have no problem with that, Like give your
first back take and I'll take another one to sick. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
But if I'm going to make the trade up and
go get one of those top four guys. If I'm
getting Leonard Fournette, Chritian McCaffrey, Dalvin Cooker, Joe Mixon, or
even Alvin Kamara, I'm good.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
Yeah. I like the Packer approach of Yeah Williams, they waited,
but they took multiple or get a big dog, right. Yeah.
They took three backs in that draft. I did.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
I forget the third guys name the first one. The
first one was Jamal Williams. Then they then they took
Aaron Jones and then they took Davonte Mays at the
Utah State.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
I can't condone that.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
I mean, that's I mean, unless you got like fourteen picks.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
All right, I mean, how do they make the roster?
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Yeah, I mean but they've done that with the wide
receiver position too.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
Yeah. Yeah, it's fine you. I'm sure you corrected the
problem with the cheet pick. Yeah, but someone's getting left out.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Yeah, but I just I look at that draft. That
twenty seventeen draft is kind of the blueprint for this draft. Yes,
I think you can get backs anywhere as people like
to say, yeah, yeah, but those top guys, those guys
you take in the first two rounds.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
They seldom miss like I I think the Niners traded
up for Joe Williams in that draft. I remember Shanahan
like loved this guy and was standing on the table
for him. They trade up the mid rounds and missed. Well,
they didn't correct the problem they had trade from a calf. Yeah,
you know, but forty nine ers, they never make any mistakes.
They're drafting isn't that much great? Their mid round stuff
(40:40):
pretty bad? Actually yeah, they make a lot of mid
round picks too. They drafted a kicker, they drafted a
backup tight end. Lately, I mean it hasn't been great. Yeah,
so it Solomon Thomas and Trade Lance and some guys
at the real top of the draft that were bad.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
I know people were probably going to be commenting on
the in the YouTube channel. Why would you guys trade
up for a second round back? Well, again, I think
there's four or five guys in this draft that I
think there's.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
No way these guys bust. Yeah, unless they get hurt. Well,
of course, I mean Jontay Williams and yeah, right, but
and they're more likely to get hurt than other positions.
But everyone can get hurt. I mean, I think there's
a misconception only running backs get hurt, and frankly, we
hadn't done it before. Let's see what the build looks like.
I mean, that's why we do it from his box too.
Do we like the end results when we do that?
(41:24):
It was interesting?
Speaker 3 (41:25):
Yeah, Yeah, came out of liking a lot of what
we got.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Right. Let we end up with Harmon and Henderson, your
first two picks. That's a lot of help for this year,
and then you get Milroe. It's like the Yeah, I
mean there's a good balance of dudes are going to
play now and maybe the future. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
So anyways, that's going to do it for today's show.
So for my partner Matt Williamson, for Justin Miller here
on site running the Justin Miller hotline and the soundboard,
and for Tyler Viittmeyer making sure our video gets out
there on YouTube. Gives a thumbs up on that. I
am Dale Lolly. We thank you for listening to this
edition of the Drive on the Steelers Audio Network.
At least.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
He's the drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on
your twenty four to seven Home of the Black and
Gold cast in Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
And welcome back.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
I am Dale Lolly. He is the Matt Williamson and
Matt starting an hour number two here. Sound for us
to do a mock draft. All right, we're gonna use
the Pro Football Focus, uh mock drafter today and the
first twenty picture in. You only have one trade offer,
so I think we might be sticking and picking. Yeah,
(00:37):
it's the Lions at twenty eight, but it's not terrible play.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
So you got Luther Burden, Josh Simmons, Mecca Agbuca, Kelvin Banks,
tackle from Texas, James Pearce edge rusher from Tennessee, o'mari
and Hampton running back from North Carolina, Colston Loveland, a
tight end from Michigan, Omar Norman Lott. They got him, Wow,
a lot higher than man. I don't see that. Gray's
(01:02):
Abel tackle from North Dakota. Our offensive lineman from North
Kota State, Trey Amos, who was in for a visit.
Josh Connery the offensive tackle from Oregon, Shamar Stewart who's
in for a visit. Jayden Higgins, who's in for a visit? Boy,
did the Derek Harmon is still there?
Speaker 1 (01:17):
And I said, all three of the tackle's gone. Defense
tackle Derek Carmon is still there. Considering two are gone,
might just have to stick.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Stick In the quarterbacks, well, Shador Sanders is there as well.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Okay, but Nolan and Grant must be gone. I'm just
looking here. I believe that they both are. Yes, Okay,
which could happen? Could happen that way? The good prospects,
I would go Harmon.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
I think I would too, just based on the discussion
we just had.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
I like him more and more. I think he's a really,
really good player. I took me a while to say
would I take him at twenty one? And now I'm
gladly would take him in twenty one. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
It's funny that on the Pro Football Focus boards he's
getting pushed down a little bit from where he was
at before.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Really, I feel more comfortable with him and more I
more I learned, the more I watch more everything about him.
I am very comfortable with him. Yeah, very disruptive. Long,
I mean to stick, and we're gonna stick and pick. Yeah,
I like it.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
The next question then becomes, do we try to trade
up into the second round for what? Well, I just
mentioned there's quarterbacks available.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
I mean I would strongly consider a shuck or a
million or whatever. Or we're trading up for a running back?
Makes sense? Maybe maybe the great guy is there? All right,
I'm gonna draft Harmon. Whoops, I screwed up only I
only hit one round on that one, So we're gonna
(02:48):
let it run again here.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
I shouldn't take long here to get I didn't hit
seven on that one.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Like, why is it stopping? I've done that.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Yeah, I get the same settings in there. Okay, we're good.
I assume Harmon will be our man. Well, I'm sure
he will be based on their rankings as low as
he is. Okay, So Harmon, where you at Harmon?
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Where you at Harmon? There is?
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Harmon is the pick? Okay, whoop, I'm gonna pause here.
We're at fifty eight. Okay, and I'm just going to
look here, scatter Bow went. Caleb Johnson went, this isn't
lining up well for us. Uh looks like maybe maybe? Yeah,
(03:37):
it looks like both Ohio State running backs are there.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
You have a preference. I think I tack Henderson. I'm
a Henderson fan. Yeah. Yeah, his sounds like the league
is a Henderson fan too.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
His past protection, like he's the best pass protector in
his draft.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Yeah, and he is two hundred and five ten pound
running back. And it just gets you on the few
now which will.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Let you play now? Yeah, even if you Yeah, I mean,
I just think he is. So do we want to
call the Texans and try to move up at fifty eight?
Speaker 1 (04:10):
We haven't done that often. I'm up for it. I'm
up thrilled about giving up my first or second next year.
I'm not giving up a first or second this year,
but I'll give up it's gonna take at least a third.
We're gonna give up eighty three. Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna
put Okay, next year's two, well, they'll definitely do it
for that. Yeah. I don't want to get rid of
next year's two. Next year's two alone. I consider next
(04:37):
year's two and like a five.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
This year, Let's see if they'll take one eighty five,
there's a seventy one percent chance of being accepted.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Could we do next year's two and a six?
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Let me see if they let me see if they
would take our three and next year's three they would
take that.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Yeah, I figured that would get it done.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
And we might even be able to get a little
sweetener back at in the back end of it.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
I think I'd rather dump a late pick this year
and next year's two. Next year's two makes for a better
radio for this. Yeah, that's true, a third round pick,
but I mean Vegas is telling us Henderson has a
really good chance to go in the first round. True,
I'm just thinking, okay, moving up for him. So here's
(05:20):
what I've come up with.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Fifty eight and one sixty six, okay for next year's two,
and pick one fifty six, which is a fifth round
pick this year.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Let's do it something different we never do.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Le's see if they accept it first and they did, okay, Okay,
So the players available to us.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Here, we'll be trade up for Henderson.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Well, there's us some other guys though, you get sweating her, okay,
Dylan Samson, Elijah or Rojo, the tight end out of Miami,
Traveon Henderson, Ola Dejo, the edge rusher from UCLA Mkuba,
that's safety from Texas. Quinn Shaw Junks is also there.
But Jeff so is Jaln Milroe.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
I prefer Milroe, but I mean our intentions were to
go get Henderson. I'm absolutely fine with that, Okay.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Yeah, and he might last to pick eighty three as possible. Yeah,
but we're going to have the running back in hand.
I think while this is a deep running back draft,
I think there's four guys.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
That stand out.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
It's difference making, and Johnson's on the periphery of that.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
He would fit this scheme. Wy. Yeah, I mean, but
he's not for everybody, right, and he's already gone in
this particular draft, which would make me all the more
want to trade up. And I mean you get a
lot more explosive with Metcalf and Henderson offense.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Yeah, all right, Travon Henderson it is. And we kept
our pick at eighty three. We don't second round pick
next year. Okay. We are up now at pick eighty three,
and guess what, Jaln Milroe is still available.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
I think you do it. Yeah. He pulled the trigger
on that right away, and it's gonna be harder to
without a second, it's gonna be harder to move up
in round one next year's If that's a path you
have to take whatever.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Maybe I've got a young quarterback now right right, Okay,
and you know what if if I really fall in
love with somebody next year, first, I'll trade a first
to future first to move up to do.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
What I gotta do. Yep, absolutely all right.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
We're up at one twenty three top players available save
on Jones. He has rusher out of LSU.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
R J.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Mickens, a safety out of Clemson, Jaden Blue running back
out of Texas, Isaac Tesla, wide receiver from Arkansas, Trevor
ATM running back out of Georgia, Gunner Helm, tight end
from Texas. I really think we need to get a nose.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
I would say I want a d lineman. Yeah, I'm
looking big people here. I'm gonna just go look at
the big people.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Top guys available, Ty Robinson from Nebraska, Cameron Jackson from Florida.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
I consider Jackson there.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Yeah, Tim Smith from Alabama.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
I prefer Jackson.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Jared Harrison Hunt from SMU. He's not a nose. Talk
to Hemingway, not really a nose. So I think it
comes down to Cameron Jackson or Tim Smith.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
I prefer Jackson, but they're pretty similar. Big space eater, Yeah,
we get size and physicality, the miliary defense, minimal snaps.
You're taking those over a receiver, no lineman, or let.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Me see what a receiver you're looking at, Tesla Isaiah
bond Ty Felton, Pat Bryant can not a mumpfield. I
don't necessarily need a receiver.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Right right because of those names are leaping off the pens.
Is a really good receiver too, like yeah, I mean
he's gonna help you there. And your second round pick
was a receiver. Looking at the offensive lineman Jalen Rivers
is there, Brandon, but they did sign Max Sharping. Since
we got the last and another one, they'll probably make
the team. Yeah, not a throwaway guy.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
He's guys started about I think thirty five forty games
in league. Interior offensive line of Seth MacLachlan, the center
from Ohio State, Willie Lampkin.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Nobody really standing out. Let's go with the nose.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Yeah, Cameron Jackson it is.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
We don't take him very often, but we got big
and beefy yeah real huge, Yeah, yeah, all.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Right, we're back to out. We got one sixty six,
which is the pick that we got. Addition, uh, top
players available r J Mickens the safety out of Clemson.
Ty Robinson still there for Nebraska. Jordan Hancock the safety
out of Ohio State, Quin Yours quarterback out of Texas.
Craig Woodson the safety out of cow Canada. Mumpfield, wide
(09:40):
receiver from Pitt Woodson.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
I think Woodson's pretty slot capable.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
He's played a decent amount of slot in his career.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
I know DJ's really high on him.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Yeah, and he's six foot two hundred and ten pounds.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Could he be your your big slot maybe. But I
also think Thornhill could too. I think Thornhill can do
that as well.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
But it's a one year contract for Thornhill and it's
tough to get another safety.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Under the rosters. That's a broad part is if you
draft a d back, I'd really like it to be
something to fight with Trice.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Yeah, you know, I hear you. Jackson haw is still there.
I'm just gonna mention the names that stand out to me.
Dante Thornton, the wide receiver out of Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
I think he's intriguing. Just have him learned with just
kind of watch what Metcalf and Pickings do to some
degree and basically red shirt.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Them Connor Colby the guard out of Iowa, Iowa offensive
lineman or often you know what you're getting there. Tyler
Cooper the guard out of Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
I'm sure tackles are gone. Zah Frasier is still there.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Jason Marshall, the cornerback out of Florida, Jaylen Travis, the.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Tackle out of Iowa State there.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Well, yeah, we haven't talked much about him, but he's
certainly six seven, three and forty pounds.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Yeah, maybe he's a guard, but intriguing. Yeah, three hundred
and forty pounds, yeah, six foot seven guard or tackle.
Denzel Burke still there. Emery Jones still there. Emiy Jones
would be my favorite name probably of the group.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Okay, you wanna take Emery Jones. Get another pick coming
at one eighty five? Yeah, yeah, all right, Emery Jones
it is.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Now.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
We can go a lot of different ways here. Ty
Robinson just finally went and one eighty four.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
He's been teasing us.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Look at the wide receivers you're looking at. Cannata Mumfield
from pitt Samuel Brown from Miami, Dante Thornton from Tennessee,
Andrew Armstrong from Arkansas, KeAndre Lambert Smith from Auburn. Cayden
Praither from Maryland's not a bad player.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
I like the Auburn kid. I like the Tennessee kid.
Chime or Dyke is there. I'm a I'm a fan
of his as well. Really explosive. So one of those
receivers is appealing.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
So there's some options there. Cornerback Zoph Fraser is still there,
as is Jason Marshall, the cornerback out of Florida, Jalen Smith,
the corner out of South Carolina or USO.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
I did a little bit of deep corner work in
the last twenty four hours. Smith grew on me a
little bit because he's a man guy. Yeah. I like Smith. Yeah,
I like Smith a lot. He can play inside. He
was it inside and they kicked him outside this year.
PFF gave him really good grades for me. I mean
he's not tiny, he's five eleven one nineties Yeah, yeah,
he's a typical corner size, right. That would be fine
(12:30):
with me. I like a couple of those receiver names
who are a couple more of the corners you know.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Mine Central Sempress, the other Florida state cornerback, Mac McWilliams
from UCF Tommy Hill from Nebraska.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Shamari Summon. Hill was someone I'm really interested too. I
remember Max bringing him up at the Mass. Likes him
a lot. He's heard a bunch. He's big. Yeah, I
like Tommy Hill. He's also another man guy.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
You're kind of projecting a little bit, you know, just
because of that. But he's six foot two of five.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Yeah, yeah, he's thick. Yeah. I think I'd take one
of those corners. You have a feeling one way or
the other. I think I'd rather go with Hill. I
don't need the inside outside versatility quite as much if
I can get a pure outside, Okay, And I think
he'll can do both too, come to think of it.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Okay, and we still have picked left at two twenty nine.
Saff Frasier's still there as his mid field. Jarrison Harrison
Jared Harrison Hunt the defensive lineman. We take three defensive line.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Signed. He'd be cutting somebody. Jalen Travis, the tackle from
Iowa States. That would be bad. That's a nice consolation prize,
right right, big dude, I would take the tackle. I'll
take the tackle. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Jalen Travis from Iowa State. If he doesn't make it,
doesn't make it, you know, Yeah, he doesn't make it.
You kick him the garden. See if he can play that. Yeah,
he's massive.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
No, I like that. Okay, we trade it back into
round two.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
We traded back in around to We did trade next
year's too, but I was second right, But we got
Derek Carr for US. Yeah, defensive tackle from Oregon. We
got Travon Henderson. And around two it picked fifty eight.
We got Jaylen Milroe at eighty three, Cameron Jackson, the
defensive lineman from Florida at one twenty three, Emery Jones,
(14:18):
the offensive tackle from Lsuka at one sixty six, Tommy Hill,
cornerback out of Nebraska at one eighty five, and another
offensive lineman, Jaylen Travis, out of Iowa State at two
twenty nine.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Not huge o'lon investments. So there's two of them there.
We'll figure out how what happens in practice squad spots. Yeah,
if you if that happened, if they drafted Henderson, who
would you put a chip down to lead the team
in rushing, Warren or Henderson? I would I would lean
towards Warren. Most backs they would take, I would take Warren.
But that was a tough one. That's a tough one.
(14:53):
I bet Warren told probably get more touches.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Henderson I think would supplant Warren as the third down back.
I think Warm would take over because there was I
think the I think the roles would switch a little
bit and Warm would become more of the every down back. Again,
this idea that Jaylen Warren is a small back. Yeah,
two hundred and fifteen pound running back. He was smaller than.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Nausey, smaller than the biggest backs eighty percent of the
teams out there. He's the biggest back on the team. Yeah,
and then maybe it's not even early down. Third down
with those guys, it could splows up.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Yeah, you can find I can find ways to get
him on the field together.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Yeah, absolutely, they both couldn't a lot I'll put you know,
they both can protect, and they both can run routes. Yeah,
you know, it's well, I need to know. It'd be
an interesting backfield. Yeah, and then you know, throw a
mill row into the equation. Oh yeah, in terms of
ball carriers right game, wells are three and you know.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
But you got bigger upfront defensively and offensive and offensive
A couple of young offensive Linemen to the mix.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
There.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
He got a nice young cornerback that you can, you know,
maybe turn something, turn into something.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
And you might have a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
You might have a quarterback, and you got a running
back who is a I mean, coming out of high
school he was the number one back in the country.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
It doesn't probably at all. But it's a nice mix
of win now and build for the future. But you
don't have the second next year. You don't have the
second next year. But I like harmon. Yeah, and you
maybe you got your quarterback. That's the key. I mean,
the draft is a home run. If you got your quarterback, yeah,
you know, I don't care about the second. But if
you didn't, then live the fight other day. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
So anyways, let's get to a break. He is the
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Speaker 1 (16:38):
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Speaker 2 (16:39):
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Speaker 3 (16:57):
He is the Matt Williamson and Matt Jordan Reid on
ESPN has come out with his top what is he
calling this top three hundred and fifty prospects? Oh ye,
which is more realistic. Nobody ranks six hundred.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
I forgot about that, didn't what the number was, but
that six hundred is way too many. And again, no
one's gonna be like most teams really about two hundred
guys on her board. Some have way low. Yeah, right,
right right. You don't have to get that far into it.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
So just looking here, he has Travis Hunter number one,
I agree with that. Abdell Carter two. He has Mason
Graham number three.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Yeah, I mean it starts to get Harry after a while,
but that's not where I would have him.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
He has esch and genty number four, armand Membo number five.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
It'd be my number one, O Lineman, but Simmons is
hard to talk about.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
At six, he has Jaylen Walker, the edge rusher out
of Georgia. This is where this whole draft goes off
the rent.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
I say, it's crazy if Graham and Walker three, four five,
six neighborhood. That doesn't say a lot about the draft
to me.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Has Will Campbell's seven, the guard out of LSU that
listened to his garden. His offensive tackle is cam Ward
at eight. Will Johnson, the cornerback out of Michigan at nine.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
I like him, but didn't that a very good year.
And he's not fast and he's kind of his own
only guy. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Tyler Warren, the tight end out of Penn State, is
at ten.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
I didn't know this until I was staring at the
beast today. Lovelan's like almost two four years younger than Warren.
Warren's a late breakout guy. You know, a lot of
manufactured stuff. I like the player, but he's not a
slam dunk either.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
He has gehad Campbell, the linebacker out of Alabama at eleven.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
That's pretty high, but I understand it. There's a lot
there to like. Yeah. The thing we don't talk about him, mind.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
The thing that worries me about him is he had
surgery for a laboram tear right now, right after the combine.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Yeah, very shortly.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Like again, I had a laboram tear and I rehab
the heck out of it because I had to get ready.
I had it during I think in December, and I
told my my physical therapists I'm like, I gotta be
ready for baseball season, you know, at the beginning of March.
And he worked me hard, obviously not working as hard
(19:13):
as he.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
I bet camboys as well, but it took me a
while to get the full range back. I bet, like,
what's the usual recovery time six months or so? What
you're supposed to be? Yeah, you wonder, I mean, he
can be in mini camp and things like that.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
They said it was a slight tear of the labor Still,
they went in there, they.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Do surgery in there.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
It's it's you know, that's not a walk in the park.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
And that's what ended Tony Bisselli's career. It was it
was a laborm injury and he had the surgery and
they made it. They screwed it up. I was confused
because there's a bunch of labor ms in the body,
aren't there? Yeah? Every cup joint? Yeah, okay.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Twelve Walter Nolan defensive tackle from Ole miss I.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Totally get it.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Thirteen Mike Keil Williams, he had rusher out of Georgia.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Violent. They're explosive as I'd like.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Fourteen Tetero McMillan, the wide receiver out of Arizona.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Is Golden your wide receiver one. I can even make
a case for Bird, And like, I don't think any
of them are wide receiver ones. Yeah, I don't love
any other. There are a bunch of wide receiver twos.
Is exactly they are, right right.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Josh Simmons, the offensive tackle from Ohio State at fifteen,
I mean I've.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Heard that there's a little bit of immaturity. Yeah, he's
a younger player. His tape before his injury was against
all the bad teams, even lasted in the playoffs and
all that. But even if all those things are sort
of true, he's a one of the most talent. One
of his games came against Mike Green. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Yeah, it's a good point, and he shut down Mike Green.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Yeah. Like, I mean he's the most talented tackle in
the draft. Yeah, I think that's pretty clear.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Sixteen is Colston Loveland, the tight end out of Michigan,
oh Fan. Seventeen is Malachi Starks, safety out of Georgia.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Okay, but it says a lot that. I mean, he's
a good prospect, he's on a special prospect.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Eighteen is Mike Green, the addresser at of Marshall he's.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Grown on me more and more. I like lots of play. Yeah,
if you need an edge.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Nineteen is Shador Sanders, fair quarterback out of Colorado. Twenty
Kelvin Banks, the offensive tackle out of Texas.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
See some concerns about him too, but he's a guard
at worst.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Yeah, and mechag Buka, the wide receiver out of Ohio
State at twenty one.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
I wonder like Banks and a Buca, they both seem
pretty safe. Like maybe no, the one's going to be
Pro Bowlers, but in this draft, and maybe you're just
happy with safe.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Maybe Omari and Hampton running back out of North Carolina
at twenty two. Twenty three is Matthew Golden, Okay, wide
receiver from Texas. That those are the guys, those first
twenty three of the guys that he has with a
true first round grade.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Which seems even a little mithway too. It's a little
rich for me. I'm not sure how many. I might
have seven or eight of them.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Yeah, starting off his guys with round two grades.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
John A.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Barron, the cornerback out of Texas, Okay, Grey's Abel the
offensive li a Dakota State. Tyler Booker, guard from Alabama.
Scheme specific, Derek Harmon, defensive tackle from Oregon.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
I look at Harmon like he's closer to Nolan than
he is some of these guys.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
And that's at twenty seven. Yeah, Yeah, twenty eight Shamar Stewart,
he had rusher out of Texas A and M twenty
nine Kenneth Grant, defensive tackle from Michigan.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
I feel a lot more confident about the three D
lineman than a lot of these players.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Thirty Luther Burdon, wide receiver from Missouri.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
I will say about Burden, if you just watch his
twenty three tape, is the best of any receivers in
this dress. Yeah, but last year was a mess.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Thirty one Donovan as Areku, the d rusher out of
Boston College.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Plays run well too solid.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Player thirty two is Donovan Jackson, the guard from Ohio State.
So three interior offensive linemen in his top thirty two,
but they all have round two grades on them. Sounds
about right, yeah, which is why I don't know that
any of those guys go in the first round.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
I don't they should, right, I.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Mean, because that you do have to start, especially if
for picking at the end of the first round, you're like, okay,
I'm gonna take this guy. I'm gonna plug him into
my line. And because we're good, and we're gonna be
on TV a lot, and we're gonna play, you know,
presumably playing conference. Maybe he makes the Pro Bowl a
couple of times in the next two years, and all
of a sudden, I gotta payhim twenty five million dollars.
(23:45):
It's a Trey Smith argument, Like Trey Smith's a good player, right, right, right,
But it was he, you know, a twenty eight five
million dollars a year player.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Like no, But speaking of the chief. So if you're
sitting there thirty one and you take Donovan Jackson, I
totally understand it. I get it. Yeah, right, but yeah,
may win Super Bowls here.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Nick Muwari, safety out of South Carolina at thirty three.
Chevon Revel the cornerback out of East Carolina at thirty four.
He could hit big, yeah, but who knows. Thirty five
Traveon Henderson, running back out of Ohio State.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
He's my third running back.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
I had him two in our first rankings. I bump
Hampton and half that at he's he's a good player,
he is. He is thirty six. Josh Connery, the offensive
tackle from Oregon. See, that's the thing. If I'm taking
if I'm looking at these guys, the guards, I'm taking
the tackle.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
I'm paying Connorlly Yeah yeah. If I'm the if I
want to pay a tackle price in the first round, yeah,
yea yeah, I might as well take a tackle. I
say that. I think the tackles are going to go earlier.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
James Pierce, the edge rusher out of Tennessee at thirty seven.
Thirty eight Maxwell Harriston, the cornerback out of Kentucky.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
He seems like a late two to me that's going
to go in the top.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Forty thirty nine is Mason Taylor, the tight end out.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Of La solid I think he's another safe one. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Trey Amos at forty the cornerback out of Ole miss
Elijah Arrojo at forty one, tight end out of Miami.
Quinn Shawn Judkins, a running back from Ohio State at
forty two. Fair arianta Urseri, the offensive tackle from Minnesota
at forty three.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
I think he's one of the most underrated players in
the league or in the draft.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Forty four is Darius Alexander, defensive tackle from Toledo.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Was in today right yep.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Forty five is Jonas Siavania, the offensive lineman from Arizona.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
There's a chance he's a tackle. It's a chance, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Forty six is TJ. Sanders, the defensive tackle from South Carolina.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
We don't talk about him much, but that's about where
he should go. Yeah, playoff team in the second round.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Forty seven Carson Swessinger, the linebacker out of UCLA.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
I bet he goes pretty high. There's not many off
the ball backers. If you need one, Yeah, and you
don't get Campbell, he's going to go pretty early. Forty
eight is Azeri A. Thomas, the cornerback from or the State. Good,
but I mean if you're a four to six guy.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Forty nine is Benjamin Morrison, the cornerback from Notre Dame.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Him and Ravel are both really intriguing me.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
But Nick Scourton, the edge rusher out of Texas A
and M completes his fifty other guys that he has
with round two grades on them. Jared Wilson, the center
out of Georgia.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
That's as high as all on him. I don't think
he's bad. I think he's a starter.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
I don't have them ahead of their other interior offensive lineman. No, No,
Jackson Dart at fifty two.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
It's bold and I like it.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Tyleek Williams at fifty three to defensive tackle out of
Ohio State.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
That's late for me.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Marcus and Bough the guard from Purdue. Kyle Williams at
fifty five, the wide receiver at of Washington State. That's
about as highs I've seen him.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
We were just talking about how we think he's underrated.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Xavier Watch the safety from Notre Dame fifty six.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Whish is a little bit better athlete, but I can
get away with it at safety.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Alfred Collins at fifty seven, the defensive tackle from Texas.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
If you had to pick between Alfred Collins and Malik Williams,
you don't get one of them. For the Steelers wether
d lineman, who do you pick? Colins? Collins is a
mod like he's way batten down the halls. I mean,
he's as an oak tree in the middle of redwood.
He might even be able to play some three four
n for it.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
I think he can, Yeah, I think you can. I
just think what Williams does, he does better than anything
Collins does.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Jayden Higgins at fifty eight wide receiver at them pretty
late to state.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
I think he'll go look way before that.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Landon Jackson at fifty nine, Ed rusher from Arkansas, Jaylen
Milroe at sixty Okay j T two and Maloa at
sixty one.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
These are all second round grades.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
These are all second round grades. Ed Rush Redd of
Ohio State, Trey Harris, wide receiver from Ole Miss at
sixty two, Emery Jones the guard from LSU. Offensive tackle
guard from LSU at sixty three.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Yeah, I don't understand him as a fifth round pick.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
His round three prospects. I'll just hit on some the
bigger names here. Caleb Johnson at sixty four.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
I'm fine with that, especially with that position.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
DJ Giddens is a running back from k State at
sixty six. Noel the wide receiver from Miowa State at
sixty eight. Right after him as jack Beck at sixty nine.
We got CJ. West at seventy six, the defensive tackle
in the enemy.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
I could see him going on Day two.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
Elika Yemanor at seventy seven, wide receiver at a Stanford.
Josh Farmer, defensive tackle out of Florida State at seventy eight.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Good d tackles in this neighborhood.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Tate rat Ledge is at seventy nine, the guard from Georgia.
Noel Williams, cornerback out of.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Cal at eighty. We were sat how he's underrated. I
think that's about where he belongs. Man.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
You got Quincy Riley, cornerback out of Louisville at eighty five.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
It's a little higher than most, aren't. Yeah it is.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Jaln royal Is, a wide receiver from Utah State, is
at eighty six. Jamari Caldwell at eighty nine, the defensive
tackle from Oregon.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Yeah, a couple of noses in this neighborhood.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Let's see here round four. Devin Neil at ninety seven.
The running back out of Kansas as a fan, Cal
McCord is at one hundred. R. J. Harvey, the running
back from my UCF who was in with the Steelers
yesterday at one oh one.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Tyler Shuck all the way down at one o three.
Pretty late, uh.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Dylan Sampson, running back from Tennessee, all the way down
at one O five.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
I see a lot of mixed takes on him, and
I understand it. It's such a weird off weird offense.
He's a little smaller, but he's good with all in
his hands.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Damian Martinez from Miami the running back at one oh eight.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
He's one of my favorites for where he's slotted to go.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Yeah, jj Pegee the nose tackle out of Ole miss
is it one twelve? Got zaf Frasier all the way
up at the one sixteen at a UTSA.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
I think that's fair back.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Yeah, he's Bachelle Tooton is right after him, running back
out of Virginia Tech.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
It's a good neighbor to go running seventeen. Yeah, I
know he is straighted up for one, but if you
don't get one in the first two days, you're gonna
get somebody's pretty decent. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Charles Grant is there in that neighborhood from William and
mary the offensive tackle.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Uh, you're looking.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
We got Jordan Phillips the nose tackle out of Maryland
at one twenty seven.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Scatter Bow Camp Scatabos at one twenty nine. There's a
bunch of backs rated ahead of scato Bow.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Yeah, I'm souring on. I think his athleticism is pretty poor.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Jack Sawyer, the edge rusher from Ohio State, all the
way down at one thirty five.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Good, that's why I think he is.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Right ahead of Upton Stout going back at Western Kentucky.
Let's see here, who is anybody else? Note Vernon brought
in at one forty eight. The defensive tackle His round
four is massive.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
A lot of guys with round four.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
It goes all the way, goes from pick ninety six
all the way down to one sixty four. Wow, there
aren't that many round four picks. Obvious are the guys
he has graded as round four guys. Cameron Jackson in
that group as well. Defensive tackles.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
That's pretty much covered. The first five rounds would be Yeah,
four round grades for him, right, you know?
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Including compact, his round five prospect goes from one sixty
five down to to seventeen.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Draft's almost over at that. Yeah, this is what we're
talking about when we say this is a deeper draft.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Just it's not super important. But like, who's two seventeen for?
Like who's the end of the round five guys? Goet
uh me like some a small neighborhood.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Yaha, blackout to twelve? Okay, defensive tackle from Iowa. Zeke Biggers.
The defensive tackle from Georgia Tech, Mac McWilliams the cornerback
at the UCF, Jackson Woodard linebacker from UNLV.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
They're all getting drafted.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
They're not like the defensive tackle out of Boston College.
And Aaron Smith, the wide receiver from Georgia who can fly,
who can flat out fly. His round six goes from
two eighteen.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
To two eighty. Wow, he might be a little generous creator.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
And round seven prospects goes from two eighty one all
the way down to I take it three fifty because
he did three fifty.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Yeah. Yeah, So I don't disagree that there's a lot
of fourth, fifth round type guys. Yeah, more than more
than round It's not it's top heavy.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
It's not top heavy, but it does have depth.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Yeah yeah. And I bet when we look back five
ten years from now, we'll be like, well, there were
some mid round guys that are the really hit. Yeah,
you know, you just got to find the right ones.
H So, but you don't pay as much for him,
you do not. So let's get to a break. Here.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale, Lolly. You're listening
to the drive here on the Steelers Audio Network. Matt
and I will be back to finish up the show
right after this.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
At least, he's the drive with Dale Lolly and Matt
Williamson on your twenty four to seven Home of the
Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Welcome back.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
I am Dale Lolly, he is the Matt Williamson and
Matt We just traded up for.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Running back in our mark draft. Crazy move for us,
crazy move.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
But in some people say, well, you know, why would
you trade up for a running back in this particular
draft because it's so deep.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
In running back. Yeah, and it's a strong point. I
get it.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Yeah. At the same time, I think if you identify
a guy that you think is a difference maker, it's
no different than any other any other position. Like I
want to go get the guy that I want.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
A difference maker at a position of need in particular,
I mean, you need to get one. The offense is
really lacked. I mean, just keep it Steeler centric. The
offense is lacked explosion. It's lacked playmakers for too long now,
you know. And if it's Rogers orchestrating it with a
fivesome of well even a eight some of Briar Muth Washington,
(33:49):
Metcalf Pickens, Warren Henderson and Austin or Wilson. That's a
lot better than what you've been operating with with people
to touch the football since Ben. Yeah. Yeah, you want
to fix the problem. You gotta fix the problem. Yeah,
I mean, you gotta what break eggs to make an
(34:09):
omelet or whatever? You know. Yeah, it's not free.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
I look here at the running backs that have been
taken in the first round over the last few drafts.
Okay none last year, right, it was a not a
great running back draft class.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Yeah, who's the first running back? Jonathan Brooks? Okay Brooks and.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Then Benson and yeah or and marshalln Lloyd and a
lot of.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
The more hurt. Yeah, it's not looking great so far.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
The year before that, well, Jean Robinson and Jamier Gibbs
were both first round draft picks. Runs, right, Nobody's going
to argue that they weren't worth the picks.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
No, right, And they were pretty high picks. Yeah right.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Twenty twenty two, Bristol is the thirty six pick in
the draft. Pretty good player.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Like I trade next year second for the rookie version
of Breecee Hall.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
Yeah, Kenneth Walker went with pick forty one, I'm still fan. Yeah,
James Cook also went in the second round that year
at pick sixty three.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
That's starting to look pretty good. That's yeah, those are
good players.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
In twenty twenty one, you had Nauseie Harris at twenty four,
Travis atn at twenty five. Javonte Williams was the thirty
fifth pick in the draft. So so Nogi Harris, I
don't care what people he was a he was a
hit at twenty four atn's looking pretty rough, and yeah,
he's one good year. The rest has been and Williams
(35:33):
just got hurt. But again, you know, so uh the
year before that was twenty twenty, only one back in
the first round. That was Clyde Edwards Hilaire at thirty two.
That was another one of those that was a good
class where people said at during the draft, I can't
believe that people let the Chiefs get Clyde Edwards Hilaire
right in the draft.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Well, thank god that they didn't. They got him instead
of Jonathan Taylor.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Jonathan Taylor or even DeAndre Swift would have made a
much bigger.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Even Dobbins at the time, much better first two years
of his career. Right Edwards Hilaire is the biggest miss
of them all. Yeah, without a doubt. I will say
I really liked that group. I mean Acres was the
other one, and it didn't pan out as much as
I expected. I mean, Edwards Hilaire was still my five.
I was shocked they took him. Yeah, but I expected
that group to produce more than they did.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
Twenty nineteen, Josh Jacobs went a picked twenty four.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
It's been really good, good player.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
Miles Sanders went at fifty three.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Mixed, but that's not super early. Yeah, he's had his moments.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
Yeah, there was not another pick in the first two rounds.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
And one of the arguments, obviously, is these guys don't last.
I mean a lot of these dudes. Their story is
probably already over. Yeah, Acres and Sanders and.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
You know Saquon Barkley went it two overall in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Well, the super high picks have all been hit. They
hit the top ten running backs or been superstars.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
You know, Christian McCaffrey was the overall pick. Dalvin Cook
when at forty one a long time Joe mixed that
that draft. To me, that twenty seventeen draft is more
is closer to I think what this one, I agree
might be. You had Leonard Fourne at at four.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
A bit of an overdraft a bit, but it wasn't horrible, No,
I mean.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Changed, it changed the face of that team really.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
Yeah, Christian McCaffrey at eight, they might go to the
Hall of Fame, Dalvin Cook at forty one, Joe Mixon
at forty eight, Alvin Kamara at sixty seven. At eighty
six was Kareem Hunt. Okay, Deontay Foreman at eighty nine,
who is still in the league. Yeah, yeah, James Connor
(37:43):
at one oh five.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
I could see Martinez having a James Connor type of career.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Samaj p Ryan at one fourteen, still in the league,
Tarik Cohen at one nineteen. Again, that's that smaller back.
You just don't last as long, No, they don't. Joe
Williams went to the forty nine Ers at one twenty one.
Then they'll Pumphrey at one thirty two. But Jamal Williams
at one thirty four to the Packers.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
There's another Packer back here. Yeah, still turn along pretty well.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
You had Wayne Gallman at one forty to the Giants,
Marlon Mack one forty three, to the Colts career, Brian
Hill to the Falcons at one fifty six, Jeremy McNichols
at one sixty two to the Buccaneers still.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
In the league. Yeah, yeah, t J.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
Logan at one seventy nine to the Cardinals, Aaron Jones,
Aaron Jones at one eighty two to the Packers. Uh,
just looking at anybody the other guys hit. Chris Carson
to the Seahawks in the seventh round.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
That's home run two. Yeah, that's what he is. So
what's that like, twenty four to twenty five backs something
like that?
Speaker 3 (38:49):
There were draft There were thirty backs that year that
got drafted.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
About I bet you're about the saying this year probably
about half of which hit hit right, But all the
early guys did. Yeah. I say, if you're missing it,
if your sixth rounder end up playing a year or
two and turn into a special team or that happens
every year. You know.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
That's why a lot of times when we do our
mock drafts, at least we have we double down take two.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
Oh, I have no problem with that, Like give your
first back take and I'll take another one to sick. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
But if I'm going to make the trade up and
go get one of those top four guys. If I'm
getting Leonard Fournette, Chritian McCaffrey, Dalvin Cooker, Joe Mixon, or
even Alvin Kamara, I'm good.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
Yeah. I like the Packer approach of Yeah Williams, they waited,
but they took multiple or get a big dog, right. Yeah.
They took three backs in that draft. I did.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
I forget the third guys name the first one. The
first one was Jamal Williams. Then they then they took
Aaron Jones and then they took Davonte Mays at the
Utah State.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
I can't condone that.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
I mean, that's I mean, unless you got like fourteen picks.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
All right, I mean, how do they make the roster?
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Yeah, I mean but they've done that with the wide
receiver position too.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
Yeah. Yeah, it's fine you. I'm sure you corrected the
problem with the cheet pick. Yeah, but someone's getting left out.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Yeah, but I just I look at that draft. That
twenty seventeen draft is kind of the blueprint for this draft. Yes,
I think you can get backs anywhere as people like
to say, yeah, yeah, but those top guys, those guys
you take in the first two rounds.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
They seldom miss like I I think the Niners traded
up for Joe Williams in that draft. I remember Shanahan
like loved this guy and was standing on the table
for him. They trade up the mid rounds and missed. Well,
they didn't correct the problem they had trade from a calf. Yeah,
you know, but forty nine ers, they never make any mistakes.
They're drafting isn't that much great? Their mid round stuff
(40:40):
pretty bad? Actually yeah, they make a lot of mid
round picks too. They drafted a kicker, they drafted a
backup tight end. Lately, I mean it hasn't been great. Yeah,
so it Solomon Thomas and Trade Lance and some guys
at the real top of the draft that were bad.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
I know people were probably going to be commenting on
the in the YouTube channel. Why would you guys trade
up for a second round back? Well, again, I think
there's four or five guys in this draft that I
think there's.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
No way these guys bust. Yeah, unless they get hurt. Well,
of course, I mean Jontay Williams and yeah, right, but
and they're more likely to get hurt than other positions.
But everyone can get hurt. I mean, I think there's
a misconception only running backs get hurt, and frankly, we
hadn't done it before. Let's see what the build looks like.
I mean, that's why we do it from his box too.
Do we like the end results when we do that?
(41:24):
It was interesting?
Speaker 3 (41:25):
Yeah, Yeah, came out of liking a lot of what
we got.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Right. Let we end up with Harmon and Henderson, your
first two picks. That's a lot of help for this year,
and then you get Milroe. It's like the Yeah, I
mean there's a good balance of dudes are going to
play now and maybe the future. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
So anyways, that's going to do it for today's show.
So for my partner Matt Williamson, for Justin Miller here
on site running the Justin Miller hotline and the soundboard,
and for Tyler Viittmeyer making sure our video gets out
there on YouTube. Gives a thumbs up on that. I
am Dale Lolly. We thank you for listening to this
edition of the Drive on the Steelers Audio Network.
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