May 9, 2025 • 45 mins
The guy's run through whom they believe will be the strongest defensive units in fantasy leagues this upcoming season, dissect a QB power rankings list, and we hear Omar's conversation with the assembled media.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson
on your twenty four to seven home of the Black
and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
And we are back. I'm Dale Lolly, he is the
Matt Williamson and we're kicking off our number two here
of the drive. Fucking little fantasy football. All right, we're
not gonna talk kickers, good good. I don't want Matt
the field lost who's he played for again? We are
going to talk defense, special teams units today. And here's
(00:43):
the thing about these kicker and defense. Just a little
tip for all the listeners out there who maybe you're
new to fantasy football. Don't be the first person in
round ten oh yeah, to go oh I'm getting the
best defense or kicker and it never works out right ever.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
I mean we've had a lot of justin Tucker conversation here,
there was a stretch that that was not terrible. It
was never my approach because the opportunity cost is you're
turning down a run. Backup running back has one injury
away from being a starter at a position.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Wide receiver who's just waiting for that opportunity. We're a
backup quarterback that's actually going to play games for.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
You and this starting tight end.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Yeah right, Oh, but he's the best. Okay, the best
kicker in the league averages one point per game more
than the second best kicker, the third best.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
It doesn't really, and it.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Doesn't from year to year.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Remember that this is a head to head game, you know, like,
does it really give you that much of an advantage
over your opponent? Probably not, because it's also very unpredictable
in nature.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Would I would just assume have kickers not be a
part of fantasy. Oh, I think they shouldn't be because
there's just so much luck involved.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
And they also account for a fit amount of points too.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Yeah, you know, like I'm in one games because I've
had twenty five point games out of a kicker, and
it's like.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
We've all won a game that way and lost the
game that way, and it's like, yeah, but I picked
the right quarterbacks and running backs and that did all
the heavy lifting.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
You know, I had a way better week than you
and your kicker beat me.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Defense is a mere different animal. Defense is different.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Now.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Obviously a ton of defense in the streaming world is
very applicable here too. So you're playing, you know, if
you're playing Josh Allen and Lamar. I mean, your defense
is probably not gonna do as well, but I think
there's real football knowledge to picking, especially preseason. Who are
some defenses that could be pretty darn good this year?
Who can rush the fa make play.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Not just the defenses, but the special teams unit. Yeah,
because you get those kick returns things of that might
bigger this year. Yeah. So looking here at Pro Football
focuses defensive rankings, which we've used their rankings all week long.
Here's the funny thing about so they have as I've
we've done all week, I've gone through the rankings like
where the team is or where the player is ranked,
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and then where they're at. So they're yeah, their defensive
start one ninety four, one nine all the way down
through too. Well, some of them are worth a little
bit more, but they go through to four with defenses,
so down through defense twelve to pull back the curve
basically means in a twelve team league, you're waiting until rounds,
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your last round to draft teams.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
That's gonna say if it's a if it's a fifteen
man roster, I would say ninety percent of the drafts
I've done the last ten years, the fifteenth rounds of kicker,
the fourteenth rounds of defense. Yeah, round thirteen, I'm taking
my last flyer on a real player. You know, almost
every draft I do. Yeah, so there you are at
the mercy of what's left.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Yeah. Here's the difference though, So at one ninety three,
their first defense number one is Denver.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
I say Denver would be my one one.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
But the ADP on Denver's defense is one oh two
point eight. Okay, one hundred picks.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
One hundred picks different. Yeah, so they don't be.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
That don't be that guy. Same thing with the defense
number two. It's the Eagles at ninety three point eight.
So they're getting drafted even higher on here the rankings
hundred spots less.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
You're overpaid.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
You're way overpaid defense.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
I mean I would say you're thinking Denver would be
my number one. They had the most saxon league by
a wide margin. They the defensive MVP. They have a
first round draft pick on defense. I mean, they're well
coached on that side of the ball. Peyton is friendly
to his defense. He runs the football.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
The only problem with that.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
But I'm not taking them in the tenth round or
the ninth round.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
They gotta play Kansas City twice. They gotta play the
Chargers twice, which yeah, okay, and they also have to
play and improved Raiders team twice.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Yeah, it's not.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
So for me like Buffalo's defense.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
That's appealing because we were doing like strength of schedule.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Start the schedule stuff, like they're playing garbage in their division.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
I'm glad you brought that up, because if you rewind
a couple of days when we dug into Warren Sharps
strength of schedule stuff, I definitely factor that in when
I'm doing defense.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
There's gonna be some some No, maybe not every week
because they do play that first play schedule and they
get to play the Ravens, they got to play the Chiefs,
but there's a lot of weeks you're gonna be really
happy that you have that.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Defense in the Jets. Yeah, weather and all that stuff,
all that stuff, and now that's kind of looking ahead,
you know. Let the Bills are a perfect example. Boy,
that's a good defense. They drafted heavy on defense. Their
strength is schedule is wonderful. Buffalo weather late in the
year is really conducive to low points. Yeah, but some
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of that stuff is months away. From the day you
make your drafts, you always have to think, yeah, I
mean definitely should split ties.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
And the other thing I recommend too is, especially with defense,
is look at the first four games. I mean, if
you get four pancake or you know, cupcakes right off
the bat and you cut them and get somebody else,
you know what, I mean to look at the matchups the.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Number three defense on here, two Phillys two the Pittsburgh Steelers,
they should be high.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
At one point I'm gonna go on my really long
rant about to me one of the two. I have
two real goals for what the Steelers need to do
on offense and defense, and one of and the defensive
one is basically either lead the league in sacks or
be right next to there, because you should, you know,
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and you have you have the pass rushers, but you
are middle of the road in sacks. And there's a
lot of reasons why. And that's why. It's a long
conversation and some of its secondary. Some of it's covered schemes,
some of it splitz, percentage time to throw, I mean,
over and all and all in all, you have the
most saxhones them last twenty years, you know, you have
great pass rushers.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
You led to the league in sacks five consecutive seasons, right,
it never been Nobody else have done three in a row.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
And I can argue and people laugh, No they're not.
This group of pass rushers might be better than that one.
You know, that's right, there's worse. It's not worse. You
know Herbiing coming off the bench and Harton and you
know it's deep too. And to me, sacks is my
number one thing for defenses. Yeah, and it seems small,
but in the world of defensive special teams, the Steelers
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are elite. And we don't bring this up enough. It
batting down passes at the line of scrimmage. Tips and
overthrows turn into tips, and overthrows are interceptions turnings in
exactly and sometimes pick six is for your fantasy team.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Defense number four is Baltimore.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Yeah, it's a good group. Drafted two guys in the
first two rounds too. Their ADP is ninety eight. That's
way too early when I'm not drafting any of those teams. No,
it's crazy, right right.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Defense number five at one ninety seven is Minnesota.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Interesting because boy Flores is good. I mean, he doesn't
have great players, but he causes chaos and he makes
the quarterback double clutch a lot. That's a really good
division though, it is, and they don't have great players
on defense, I mean Ben Ginkel and you know guys
like that. They're giving big money too. But they did
add two defensive tackles. They were near the top I
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think on fantasy defenses last year. They definitely were near
the top, and like EPA and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Defense Number six is Houston.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
I'm a fan there too. Two edg rushers that are
big time, good scheme, good tacklers, Stingley. They have money
invested there. It's a good group and that division is
pretty division is pretty weak. You like playing those quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yeah. Number seven is Green Bay. They're high on this
every year and they just never live up to the ranking.
I fell forward because we've used a whole bunch of
first round draft.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Picks on the defensive players, right, and they have the
tough division thing going too. There's a lot of underachievers.
I mean, even Gary starting to come back to earth.
Van Ness is very ordinary. That year that they used
to pick on Wyatt and then the linebacker in the
first round is not really bearing fruits. It's Jarry Alexander
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really in someone else can have the Packers.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Defense Number eight is Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
It's always good. They play with a lot of leads.
Chris Jones. Spagnolo is a Hall of Famer. It's always good.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Defense Number nine Detroit.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Playing with leads helps, that helps Domes good for pass rushing.
Loud Hutchinson comes.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
I mean they're gonna play with a lot of leads too.
But they also play a lot of shootouts.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
They also drafted a nose tackle, you know. I mean,
like I wish that was more of a speedball off
the edge investment. I think their secondary is good, not great.
Is Arnold Reay to turn a corner?
Speaker 5 (09:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Tough? Division two?
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Like you said, Okay, Defense ten is Buffalo. We kind
of just talked about a little. I'm a little higher
on him. Defense number eleven Seattle.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
I like the coach who's in charge of the defense.
I think guys like Murphy are really ready to jump up.
Leonard Williams is a really good player. Yeah, they'd probably
be in my top ten. Twelve is the Chargers. I
was talking to AFC West today and I don't know
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if they have really that good of players on defense,
and I didn't think they did last year, but I
think the hole is greater than the sum of the park.
They run the ball like crazy, which keeps a shout
down absolutely helps, which is another thing to keep an
eye on. That's what The way you play offense is
something to think about, for sure. It's a good Ravens
thing too, like they were and the Eagles.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Keep away all day long.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
The anything defense isn't on the field as much. I
don't know where the splash comes from though, other than
mac on defense.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Though right outside the top twelve. San Francisco at thirteen.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Bolsto goes a long way in that conversation, imsidered thinking
Dallas too. I mean it just gets stud edge rusher. Yeah,
is the nice starting points.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Fourteen is miamient Man. I'm not on board with that
at all.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
They'd be like in my bottom five or six that
defense is soft. Yeah right, I mean they got some
edge guys, but that's about it. Yeah, No, that's not
for me.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Fifteen is Tampa Bay.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Yeah, they're always good progressive, Yeah, yeah, they're always good.
They blitzed a lot.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Sixteen is the Jets. I love that one.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Their pass rush would be decent, but it's a lot
of change. That's a hard one to bank on.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Seventeen the Patriots.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
I thought they'd be really good last year, and they
really looked like Belichick wasn't there last year. You know, yeah,
they're probably seventeen is probably fine, but right.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Eighteen is Dallas. Here's why Dallas is too low. Not
only do they have some pass rushers, right, they got
the best return guy in the Again, I never.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Think about that, and I should more often. That goes
a long way. I mean, come on, yeah, yeah, they
a great kicker, great return game. Not that the kicker
helps that.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Big kicker doesn't help that, but the return game shirt does.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Yeah, it does.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
And they teacher their defensive backs give up big plays.
They also make big plays.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
They do make big plays.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
They are Maybe that changes with the coaching change, but.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Yeah, Parsons goes a long way.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Yeah. The Rams are at nineteen.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
I would think about them a little earlier just because
they're front Yeah. Yeah, and they get after the cornerbacks
are soft. But yeah, but they hide them pretty well
and their offense is pretty good and helps the defense
a lot. At twenty or the Colts I like the
coaching change, but we'll see. Yeah, at twenty one are
the Browns Miles Garretts and some corners. The offense is
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gonna help.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
It's just terrible.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
It could be on the field.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
Now.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
You do get a couple of Cleveland games every year.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
There, Yeah, good point. I mean they're a great Streams
Sun twelve nine. Yeah, yeah, there's always two of them.
You want both defenses in that game at.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Twenty two or the Bengals no, no, no, no, no no.
And they even with you got Hendrickson right, okay.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Drafted two linebackers and Shamar stew or, none of which
might help you.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
And they're not interested in stopping anybody. They just want
to win. They just want to play shootouts all day long. Right,
that's what they want to do. You get if you
get to the point where you get negative points, if
you give up thirty or more and that like that. Yeah,
you might take negative points on the Bengals defense every week.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
You would have with some regularity. Right, they'd be way lower.
I mean they might be.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Last Arizona twenty third.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Ooh, I like that. I'd take them way higher. Yeah,
they have a million defensive linemen. They are really really
creative on defense and had no players. I'm really impressed
with that coaching staff. No one talks about Budda. Baker
is like a Minka. He's that good. He's a superstar too.
Drafted two guys in the top two rounds. Sign me
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up for them.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Twenty four is the Falcons.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Maybe they got better rush in the pass or they
have a corner. They got safeties, but they're weak up
the middle. Their tackles are bad.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
The Raiders are at twenty five. The Raiders are kind
of sneaky because they're gonna run the crap out of
the flight.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
I was thinking that too, and they got Crosby. You know.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Back seven is defensive minded coach, right, he's gonna Beryl
knows how to hide stuff. Yeah, you know right. Yeah,
that's not terrible. The Bears comes back. Yeah, Bears are
at twenty six.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Seems a little low, but I'm not going to stand
on the table for him.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
The Saints are at twenty seven.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Jacksonville at twenty eight.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
They have edge rushers. Yeah, played a good division for defense.
The Titans are twenty nine, Yeah, they should be real bad.
Washington at thirty. I think Washington's starting to really resemble
the Bengals in terms of just all gas, no break.
I mean, it's all offense. Their defense has more talent
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than the Bengals, but I don't know Lattimore is good anymore.
They traded their edge rushers and never really got any
back for them. They got a couple of old dudes
are counting on. They really dedicate themselves to offense, which
I get with a young quarterback. But I might be
really in on Washington fantasy, not their defense.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Yeah, at thirty one of the Giants leaving the Panthers
at thirty two. The Giants are under the Giants a
lot higher than that. Yeah, they got five d Lineman.
They can run a waves of pass rushers at you.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Yeah right, Dexter Lawrence is one of the best players
in the league. Who was thirty two.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
By the Carolina Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
I mean they were historically bad last year. They look
better than that. But I'll think the Giants is a
sneaky not that they was drafting two defenses. They might
be fifteen for me. They would be a nice streamer, right,
I would definitely have them on the watch list.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Yeah, thing they got pass rushers man that's the other
you know, the last two years, I've just given up
on defenses. I just dream every week. Yeah yeah, yeah,
there's always somebody out there. I just play matchups.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Yeah, there's some leagues that's hard to do. Some of
the dynasty leagues I'm in, the rosters are big, and
some teams will have.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
To you're a fifteen player a fifteen twelve team league
with your rostered league, yeah yeah, yeah, you'll find stream
every week as long as it doesn't like in my league,
it cost you actual dollars to make transactions, which is
just a weird loophole in our league.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
So it gets kind of expensive playing that way, you know,
But most don't, you know, right, and again that's why
you draft them late.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
I'm just all I do is pick the matchup. I
didn't care if the defense is great. Just pick the matchup.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
And pay attention to weather. Things like that too. Oh
it'sun be a sloppy game. Maybe I will play the
Bengals defense. You know, it's even if it's terrible defense,
it's not that bad. Or Jamis Winston's starting for the Giants.
I might just play the defense he's playing. He throws picks.
You know a lot of it is more dependent on situation.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Absolutely, but let's get to a break that's going to
do it for the fantasy football focus. He is Matt Williamson.
I am Dale Lolly. You're listening to the Drive here
on the Steelers Audio Network, Matt and I'll be back
with more right after.
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We appreciate that, and you can leave your comments there. So, Matt,
since the thirty third team is dead, it seems like
they're pretty like they have gone away. We talked about
there the good stuff on there.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
I don't know. Oh yeah, yeah, they're good writers. And yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Like I'm looking here at CBS Sports dot Com and
they've put together their quarterback power rankings coming out of
the draft.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Okay, well, I guess you Dons have to have Rudolph
represent he does, Yeah he is. You have to.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
So, as things stand right now, this according to CBS
Sports dot Com. We'll discuss as we get Yeah, number
thirty two is Tyler Shuck. Fair has to be, yeah, fair.
Number thirty one is Mason Rudolph.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
I don't know that that's necessarily super fair though, because
number thirty I don't say.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
I don't see who they place as the other quarterbacks
like the Browns don't. Really, it's pretty bad.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
It's pretty bad. Yeah, thirty is Anthony Richardson, and I
don't know if you saw this today. Warren Sharp put
this out. He tweeted it out today earlier today. On
throws of seven or more yards, yeah, Anthony Richardson completes
thirty eight percent of his passes thirty eight percent seven
yards right, seven.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Yards, ten yard out, I mean short out or you know,
some easy throws, comebacks, things like that.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
I think he's I think in that same tweet, I
think he said to league average was like fifty eight
percent something along those lines.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
I'm sure it's drastically under.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Thirty eight percent. He's not a quarterback. He's not.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
He's not yet.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
He won't ever be. I will go on record now,
Anthony Richardson will never be a long term quarterback for anybody.
He stinks.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
I lean that way. But boy, there's some things that
have gone against him too. I like get it, like
the process is so flawed to me because the.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Things like the throwing of the football work against him,
no doubt.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
But you knew that when you drafted him, you know,
like I wouldn't. That's what I'm saying is how do
you go in the draft meetings with intention, Okay, that's
our guy, and not realize this is going to be
a process. I mean, he hardly played in college. I
think he's only attempted like four hundred passes in the
NFL level. And some of it's because he's been injured
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a lot, which is a huge problem. He hasn't been
able to do develop and at this point he might
never Yeah, he'd be lower. I mean he'd have to
be thirty one. He's hard to play against as a runner,
I get it, and he does have a little bit
of the way past.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
I think he's a better football player than he is
a quarterback. Oh yeah, He's not alone in that, right, right, Yeah,
I mean if he were a wide receiver or something like,
I would say, oh, I get that, yeah, right, But
the actual completing of passes.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Quarterall Patterson at the beginning of his career, Yeah, he
was a better football player than wide receiver or running
back or right.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
He's the number one job of a quarterback is to
run the offense and run it effectively. And he doesn't
do that. Every once while Hill hit a big play
and it looks great, you know, Oh it's tantalizing, Or
he'll break a long run that's really tantalizing. Where we
differ is he can't do it consistently.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Though I have not buried him yet. Though I think
he's terrible. I think he's bad so far.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Thirty eight percent. Oh that's seven yards. He's been bad.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
There's no doubt.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
That's not much farther than we are apart. Right now,
I can underhand the ball.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Throw my phone to you. You get thirty eight percent? Yeah,
I get it. I mean, it's definitely been bad. But
this shouldn't be super unexpected, and it's not unexpected from me.
I didn't like him coming out, right, I mean, the
accuracy stuff was a problem every step of the way.
I just think he's got a chance.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
To get better at it, get better. He can't be worse.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
He's going to be worse.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
I mean thirty eight percent, but that's horrible. I mean,
if he improved a forty five percent, that wouldn't even
be passable, right, right, he's terrible.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
He's a terrible passer so far. There's no question he's
always gonna be a bad passer.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Yeah right, we're heading into year three.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Right, But he's played so little.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
I get because he taps out well once for one place,
you only have to do that once, like the rest
of the guys in the locker room, sit, what do
you mean you're tapping out? You're the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
I think that's overblown, but I know that that in
the I don't think it's overblown in locker rooms, I know.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
I mean, like, you're the quarterback, you don't get to
tap out.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
I don't think Max would even mind. He's a Florida
guy and this came up at the combine and he's like, oh,
you can't tap out. I'm like, I know, and that's
a Florida guy. I know he's a Florida guy saying that.
But it's old school lineman, you can't do that. I get.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
It does mean I've never seen a quarterback do that.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
It's ever happened in the history of the planet ever.
But that doesn't mean he can't play football.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
I'm not saying again, I'm not saying he can't play football.
He can't play quarterback.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Now, I don't want people to be like, whenever he
totally busts out a league in three years from now,
like I told you so.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
If it happens the other way, I'm going to get
that thrown on my face.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Of course, And I wouldn't bet that it does go
my way. I'm just not ready to throw him in
the gravy. I don't even know if he can come.
I'm digging.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
I don't even know if he can get the average.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
That's a long way away. It's a long way to
get the way way way. I'm not sure what being
in the opening is a starter. I mean, yeah, when
he was listed there, I was like, I think Daniel
Jones would probably start.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
They gave Daniel Jones money.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Yeah, Daniel Jones is better than the thirtieth best quarterback.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Then you know, uh, twenty nine is Joe Flacco not?
Based on his play necessarily last year he had again stretches.
He has, he played well, but the overall results over
an extended period of time not good.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
I'm not behind Flacco at this stage. Especially at this stage,
I don't think he cares. I didn't think he's going
to sling it, and good for him. This is not
the sound Brown Steeler bias. But if I had to
play seventeen games with the Steelers, I would rather play
with Rudolph than Flacco. Yes, no question.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
He cann't take better care of the football.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Oh yeah, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
If Flacco started seventeen games for somebody in the NFL.
He might throw twenty five interceptions.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Over probably twenty three ish. Yeah, yep, and I think
he's going to be the opening day starter.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Twenty eight is Russell Wilson.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
He'd be number one of the guys we've listed so far.
I don't know. See who's ahead of.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Them at Twenty seven is Michael Pennix. These guys are
so hard to rank. I can't have Michael Penix up
there at this point and didn't playing the preseason last year.
I know you seem like two games of him three.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
I mean, I can put Wilson ahead of Penix. Yeah,
but he had I mean, he's not up there, He's no,
I mean, yeah, right right.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Some of these guys are gonna be really hard to rank.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Twenty six is Bryce Young.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
He'd be higher than cam Ward for me right now,
I think so. I mean, I mean the guys that
we don't know anything about I have got.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Twenty five is cam Wardenon Okay, Okay, I don't know
what that's going to look like.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
No, and it's unfair to rank them, period.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Would it be? Would it shock you if he had
similar numbers to what Mason Rudolph had last year in Tennessee.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
In some way, yes, And I mean that as a
positive the Rudolph because I'm digging here on my phone
because I just did this for fun yesterday. You know,
everyone knows I'm kind of an EPA nerd, and I
was just kind of I was watching some Rudolph stuff
and I was just wondering, what does season really look like?
(26:19):
And if you go to the EPA site, he doesn't
have enough attempts. So I lowered down the number because
he threw just over two hundred balls. So I said,
anyone with two hundred or more attempts and there was
forty two quarterbacks. Richardson might have been last, by the way,
I'm sure he was. So if the forty two quarterbacks
he was, I think they were like the bottom two.
(26:42):
So I mean this, guys have played a fair amount.
Two hundred pass tempts is enough to go off of.
Rudolph was twenty third. Like, if that's what he gives
you the rest of his career, that's great, you know
what I mean? So I would rather have ward than Rudolph.
I've been warded off twenty third this year. Is my point. Yeah,
I bet he's below that. Twenty four is justin Fields.
(27:06):
That's about where he belongs. Fields versus Wilson's an obvious conversation. Yeah,
we have had eight hundred times and continues. Yeah, Fields
was actually ahead of Wilson in the EPA thing, but
a lot of that's legs. Yeah, twenty counts does. Twenty
three is Kyler Murray. I'd still a brace young over
all these guys, not Kyler Murray, Not Kyler Murray. No, Yeah,
(27:27):
that's pretty low on Kyler. That is real low on Kyler.
Twenty two is Sam Darnold. I'll take Kyler Donald.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Twenty one is to Attago vy Loa.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
This is going to be an interesting neighborhood because it
seems really low to be in the twenties.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
The next name is gonna twenty is JJ McCarthy. Oh,
he has to be right next to Panics or below
he has he has to be below that. We don't
get to see him in the preseason last year, right,
we have never seen him play an NFL game. Yeah,
he might finish higher than that.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Oh, I hope he does.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
I hope he does.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
But how do you put him in or how'd he
rank him? Right? Right? They really shouldn't even be on
the list if you haven't had an NFL snap.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Nineteen is Drake May.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Is he bet? I love him. I don't know if
he's a better player than Kyler right now, but I'd
much rather have him.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
I'd rather probably have him than the next guy.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
I mean, I'd rather have him than just about any
quarterback in the league not in the top six or
seven if I was building a team.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Eighteen is Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
I'm still on board.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
His play last year was not good. Oh, he's the
last two years has not been good.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
It's very erratic.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Now, I'm not saying that he stinks or anything of
the right. This is closer to where he's at than
oh yeah, where his draft.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Stacks for prospect is not probably ever gonna happen. This
is a huge make or break here for him.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Yeah. Seventeen is Gino Smith.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
He's really solid. I mean, I don't know how much
longer he will be.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Sixteen Caleb Williams. He should be lower.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
He has to be lower. He should be like May
had a much better year than him. Yeah, as rookies
in terms of what was around him. And all that.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
The grand scheme of things, Bryce Young probably had a
better year than him.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Yeah, Young's way too low now. I don't think Young's great,
but he should be twenty one.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
His play in the second half of the season was
better than that of Caleb Williams.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Caleb Williams is closer to like a penix right now,
just in terms of where i'd rank him. Yeah, it's
a lot of unknown, but it's more negative than positive.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Fifteen is Bo Nicks Kyler Murray's getting ridiculously disrespected here.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Gino Smith's better football right now than Bonicks. Yeah, you know,
putting the cars before the horse. We're not talking about
what they're going to become.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
No. Fourteen is Dak Prescott.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Unfortunately, I think that's what he slipped down to the
last couple of years have been, you know, hard to
stay in the field and doesn't run anymore.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Thirteen is CJ. Stroud.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Yeah, bet that he's much higher. We all said, Yeah,
Twelve is Justin Herbert. Well, there's gonna be some names
up here. I'm going to disagree with. You're right. I
don't think there's eleven quarterbacks better than Justin Herbert.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Eleven is Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
I think you have to give him credit after a while.
I mean the Tampa stint has been really impressive.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Rather of Herbert. But yeah, ten is brock Purdy.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
It'd be more like fourteen.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Nine Jared Goff.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
If you protect him, I mean you gotta do it.
He couldn't ask him just to be behind a terrible
line running around making plays.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
But he's in a good situation. The next one I'm
going to disagree with. He should be lower Jordan Love
at eight.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
He's not eight. No, I mean he's not better than
justin Herbert.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
It's no better in Baker Mayfield right now.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
No, No, he's not. He's twelve.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Seven is Matthew Stafford. Yeah, he's the best one we've
mentioned in my opinion. Six Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
No, I mean that's that's that's sad.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Five is Josh Allen.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
There's four quarterbacks on the planet better than those two.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
What are we doing here? Four is Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
They're the best three on the planet.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Oh, come on, Burro, come on, what are.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
We doing here?
Speaker 5 (31:18):
Three?
Speaker 2 (31:19):
I mean three is Joe Burrow.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
They're the best four. They're in their own tier, folks.
So that so that means Hurts is in the top two.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Two is Jalen Hurst. One is Jaden Daniels. That's sad
who wrote this crap that is really bad? Cody Benjamin.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
I don't know you, Cody, but Cody be a problem dude.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Hey, commander Cody Man, Come on, I mean, I don't
like to rip on other people's work.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
No, right, were right, Jade.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
And Daniels the number one quarterback in the league right now.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
The top four to me are very very easy. We
can fight about the r this.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Is coming out of the draft like no, no, and
I don't.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Think Burrow's there yet. But truly, to me, Lamar, Allen
and especially Mahomes are all time greats in their prime.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Yes, I mean I am a huge Jayden Daniels fan.
Oh yeah, but one overall.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
I mean, if you I'll make an argument I can
gladly be Jayden Daniels lawyer that he's the next of
the not of the four. And there's four that are
way up here, guys, way up here that it could
be all time all time greats. Yeah, and we're watching them.
They're all in the able year.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
J Daniels right one.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
We can talk about who's number five, but you can't
talk about who's one through four. Come on, they're their
own teams and it's not even close ours too.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Come on.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
So I heard this on a podcast and we don't
have time to do it, but I would love to
do it with you one of these days that they
went through and said, if I took my Homes and
added him to thirty one other teams in the league
and took their quarterback away, how many of those teams
would be super Bowl contenders? Like Deers are definitely one
(33:00):
of them. Yeah, if you put Mahomes on Steelers, they
are a super Bowl contender. And then the other argument
was how many quarterbacks could you put on the Eagles
instead of Hurts and they would still be Super Bowl contenders?
Which list is bigger? And it kind of is a
final exercise because would you rather have the team or
the stud?
Speaker 2 (33:19):
I'd rather the stud.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
Win. I think so too.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
I think I could win with Mahomes with about twenty
four other teams. I say it's a lot.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
They're both pretty long lists, like Baker Mayfield on the
Eagles would go pretty far. I mean, they're both really
long lists. And it's a fun conversation.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
But that list isn't as long as the.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Mahomes list is great. I mean, he's not gonna take
the Saints to the super Bowl, but if you could
pick everything, no, right, right, there's somebody can do that.
But he might take them to the playoffs maybe maybe,
you know, I mean the Colts would be a super
Bowl contender with it. Yeah, I mean, like, if you
really think about it. Both lists are pretty long.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Where would Aaron Rodgers come in at on this list?
Speaker 3 (34:02):
I'm thinking like Tua Land, but with much variance.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Tua was twenty one. It was Tua McCarthy, Drake.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
May McCarthy, Lawrence you know, I think like Lawrence Land
for now. Now that could go to thirty if he
doesn't want to get hit anymore and everything falls apart,
or they could go to nine if he's on fire.
I mean like he'd be one of the most volatile
ones on there of what is to come. But where
(34:32):
he is now I would put him slightly below average. Okay.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Yeah, one, you saw where Fields and Wilson ranked on here.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
I'd have my head of those two in terms of
give me the best chances to win today and where
are you today? Yeah? Okay, that was the not doesn't
mean I would rather have two for the Steelers, right,
you know there's a lot that's party year. Okay, you know,
but yeah, I think people what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
That's the very interesting list on CBS. Come on, right, Yeah,
were for years kind of with you there until you
get to that top Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
I didn't think the rest of the list was bad,
but the top six were whoa, whoa, whoa. Yeah, you know,
the top four have to be the top Come on,
young man. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Anyways, we're gonna get to another break. He is the
Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly. You're listening to the
Drive here on the Steelers Audio Network. We'll be back
to finish up the show. We're here from Steelers general
manager Omar Kahn. Right after this.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on
your twenty four to seven home of the Black and
Gold Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Welcome back to the Drive. I am Dale LOLLI he
is the Matt Williamson and as I mentioned earlier in
the show, Steelers general manager Omar Kahan, who typically doesn't
talk after happened from the drafts until he has a
press conference at to start a training camp and that's it,
UH decided, Hey, is it only because of the trade.
(36:12):
I think the trade had a big part of it. Well,
you know, maybe signing a quarterback might change it. But
typically the way things work is that once this part
portion of the season starts, Mike Tomlin is the spoken Yeah,
he's a guy that does all the talking. In this case,
I think Omar Khan felt, hey, I'm gonna come out
and talk about this trade because I kind of there's
(36:35):
or anything right right, right, okay, but some interesting things
said he I can't wait to see what he said.
I thought we just played the whole thing back and
let let our listeners hear what he had to say.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
The trade, Uh, sort of happened quickly.
Speaker 5 (36:50):
You know, we had we had some people acquired under
the draft, nothing that really made.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
Sense, and Cowboys reached out. I don't remember what day
of worked earlier this week, and you.
Speaker 5 (37:02):
Know they gave us, they proposed something that for us
to think about, and you know, we had conversations internally.
You know, I also had some conversations with George's age
of Dave, who I have a good relationship with, and
you know, we we we discussed where things I guess
have been with George where they are and you know
where things could go with George, and uh, you know
(37:25):
this is just trade made sense for everyone.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
But here we are and happy. Ta any questions. Did
he wanted to leave?
Speaker 5 (37:33):
He never He never asked, if you're asking you, I
was never asked to.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
I was never told that he wanted to leave.
Speaker 6 (37:39):
Now, you guys have been pretty supportive of him throughout
his three years here.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
How did you get to the.
Speaker 5 (37:44):
Point where him going somewhere else turned out to be
the best course of action? You know, we just kind
of talked about it, you know, a lot lots of
serious conversation on as conversations and he just felt that
fresh start for for for both sides was the right thing.
Speaker 7 (37:59):
Where those conversations about a potential extension were negotiating with
him for an extension, you know.
Speaker 5 (38:04):
We don't we don't talk about uh negotiations.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
We just felt it was a time for a fresh start.
Speaker 8 (38:10):
Omar, is it obvious to say that draft picks are
harder to come to high more valuable before the draft draft?
Speaker 5 (38:19):
Uh, it's a good question, you know, like for me,
those those draft picks are valuable no matter what. Yeah,
you know, when you get to the UH, I think
this is what you're asking, Jim. But I think when
you when you're dr when you're the day of the draft,
or or you're going through the draft or those every
one of those picks feels like they're the the.
Speaker 4 (38:39):
Like the greatest pick.
Speaker 5 (38:41):
You know that they're that you don't want to get
rid of them, or or they're valuable.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
But I mean they're they're all They're all important. Interview
it is do you use is it disappointment? Did it
didn't work out? Or do you just move on and
say we got that third round pick, let's just move on.
How how does the organization fill Yeah, you know, I
wouldn't use the word disappoint ointment. You know, we had
three years with George and you know we had.
Speaker 5 (39:04):
Some exciting times, but you know it was just time.
Speaker 4 (39:08):
For the fresh start for both sides. Was was was
the right thing? How does this impact this team this year?
And how did you feel about the depth of receiver?
Speaker 5 (39:18):
We would have done this if we didn't feel good
about the this receiver situation.
Speaker 4 (39:23):
About our death year, you know, and know people will
make the comparison about last year. It's it's not even
closed to be in the same Well, what's the difference, Well,
you know, obviously we've made an investment with DK, We've
had another year with some of the young guys and
gotten to know them, watch them develop.
Speaker 5 (39:40):
We had a Robert Woods who, like I said, we've
had wrote romans healthy.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
I've seen him the last.
Speaker 5 (39:46):
Couple of weeks out here, uh and how he's doing
and so how he was progressing at the end of
last year.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
Obviously he didn't get the chances to.
Speaker 5 (39:52):
Uh uh to get on the field, but there was
some excitement there. Uh.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
But we we have a good group. You know, there's some.
Speaker 5 (39:58):
Guys that came are back and we've seen their growth
and have another year und our belt with them and
feel good about it.
Speaker 7 (40:05):
Is there a potential pool that's more easily accessible for
veterans in free agency as opposed.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
To where you were a year.
Speaker 7 (40:12):
Ago to because it felt like last year when all
those names are being bandied about there were trade potential trades,
whereas do you have a water pool that maybe you
can pick from in free agency this year they could.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
Backfill you mean right now as we sit here today. Yeah,
I mean, like yeah, you know, I I'll say this.
Speaker 5 (40:28):
You know, if there's an opportunity to add a playmaker
and an offense, you know, regardless.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
Of as the receiver or work as you know, we're
gonna look into it. And uh, you know, if it
makes sense, it makes sense.
Speaker 5 (40:37):
But you know that there's there's always good players available,
and I mean that's.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
An interesting question. I there there's good players out there,
and if we wanted to add some people, good but
you know, we we feel comfortable with them. Has there
been an outright in terms of acquiring draft capital for
next year? Has that been an objective that you aggressively.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Have been trying to do or in terms of the
compexitory picks and things like that.
Speaker 5 (40:59):
Yeah, I'll say, you know, this year we were in
a position where uh I enjoying Uh how should I
say this? It was important for us to acknowledge the
fact that we could be in a position to acquire
a conflicts next year. And you know, I mean the
guys saw how we did things in the offseason. That's
obviously something that was uh on the back of our
(41:20):
minds when we made decisions.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
And uh, we'll see how it all shakes out. You know,
the next phase of this and how much these guys
played in determament where those those compicts end up. Uh,
but that's something.
Speaker 6 (41:30):
We were you know obviously cognizt enough, so we got
to play a role.
Speaker 8 (41:34):
And why you didn't trade on draft weekend and didn't
packed position year?
Speaker 4 (41:38):
Uh what do you mean say it again?
Speaker 5 (41:39):
Uh?
Speaker 8 (41:39):
The next year's draft pick and and uh what you
had just said, they didn't play the role. I it
you didn't make the trade on draft weekend because of that?
Speaker 4 (41:50):
No, No, it's likely it we It just it wasn't.
Speaker 5 (41:53):
You know, the ah a trade that was interesting to
us was not there a draft weekend.
Speaker 4 (41:57):
You know, team's called and they you know a lot
of times you just talking hypotheticals and people.
Speaker 5 (42:02):
Say, hey, would you do X, Y or Z, and
you know most of the time the answers now and
there was just nothing there that was worth uh, you know.
Speaker 4 (42:10):
Discussing and owners meetings maybe elsewhere.
Speaker 6 (42:12):
You guys sound pretty exciting about d K and George's
chematic challenges.
Speaker 4 (42:16):
I can prevent the defense? Is what changed between now
and Wednesday?
Speaker 5 (42:20):
Yeah, you know, it's just you know, I guess we
had a team they called and you know, gave us
something worth thinking about. And you know, we had the
conversations and like I said, we talked about you know.
Speaker 4 (42:34):
Where we've been and where we are, where we could be.
It just it just it just made sense that the U.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
A fresh start was a good idea.
Speaker 6 (42:41):
And the business aspect always comes in with guys in
the last year their deal, whether they're younger or older.
And did you guys think there was a chance he
was gonna hold do the whole end type thing and
training camp and and all that stuff.
Speaker 4 (42:53):
You know, it's that's a hypothetical.
Speaker 5 (42:54):
I I don't I don't know where that would have gone.
Speaker 4 (42:57):
There's last one, last one. You guys have had recent
trading way of receivers that you guys have drafted.
Speaker 5 (43:03):
Does that impact any vision for how you guys want
to assemble your talent or the type of players you
want to bring into your organization and moving forward. No,
I mean some of that's just really coincidence that was
played out with the position.
Speaker 4 (43:15):
I mean, we're always trying to get good players, regardless of.
Speaker 5 (43:17):
What position it's at and at any at any point
in the year, So you know, I think there's.
Speaker 4 (43:22):
Some coincidents of that, but we're going.
Speaker 5 (43:25):
To get good players, good people, and you know, we're
chasing a championship, and every decision we make is based
on trying to win a championship, not only you know, in.
Speaker 4 (43:34):
The future, but this year. I mean, we're focused on
trying to win a championship this year. And you know,
I know there's a.
Speaker 5 (43:39):
Lot of questions about different things, but there's a lot
of time between now and the start of the season
and the rest assure we're trying to un.
Speaker 4 (43:47):
A championship this year.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
That was Steelers General manager Omar Kahn with the assembled
media earlier today over at the Steelers rookie Mini camp,
which will continue through the weekend.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
Days right there day, Saturday, Sunday.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
Yeah, so they'll see if there's any more news that
comes out of that whole event. But some interesting stuff
there from Omar. We had already talked about a lot
of that stuff.
Speaker 3 (44:10):
But yeah, yeah, it's our last segment of the week.
But we got schedule release stuff coming up. We got
more rotas on things.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
I did want to mention. The NFL going to make
some announcements on some of the early games. Yeah, yeah,
I think some maybe like the Black Friday game, maybe
the International Games. That's going to start Monday and Tuesday, so.
Speaker 3 (44:31):
Maybe start filtering in some maybe.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
We'll get an idea of when that game in Ireland
will be played.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
Cool, really looking forward to it. I'm sure r a
Wednesday that'd be great. So and then we're being as
live schedule release show as we always do.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
We are. Yeah, but so lots of stuff coming here
next week. A busy week, but that's going to do
it for us today. For my partner Matt Williamson, for
Justin Miller here on site running the Justin Miller Hotline
you can hear him on Kiss FM. And for Tyler
Viittmeyer joining us back in studio today. Make making sure
our video gets out there on the YouTube. I am
Dale Lolly. We thank you for listening to this edition
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of the Drive on the Steelers Audio Network
This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson
on your twenty four to seven home of the Black
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
And we are back. I'm Dale Lolly, he is the
Matt Williamson and we're kicking off our number two here
of the drive. Fucking little fantasy football. All right, we're
not gonna talk kickers, good good. I don't want Matt
the field lost who's he played for again? We are
going to talk defense, special teams units today. And here's
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the thing about these kicker and defense. Just a little
tip for all the listeners out there who maybe you're
new to fantasy football. Don't be the first person in
round ten oh yeah, to go oh I'm getting the
best defense or kicker and it never works out right ever.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
I mean we've had a lot of justin Tucker conversation here,
there was a stretch that that was not terrible. It
was never my approach because the opportunity cost is you're
turning down a run. Backup running back has one injury
away from being a starter at a position.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Wide receiver who's just waiting for that opportunity. We're a
backup quarterback that's actually going to play games for.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
You and this starting tight end.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Yeah right, Oh, but he's the best. Okay, the best
kicker in the league averages one point per game more
than the second best kicker, the third best.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
It doesn't really, and it.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Doesn't from year to year.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Remember that this is a head to head game, you know, like,
does it really give you that much of an advantage
over your opponent? Probably not, because it's also very unpredictable
in nature.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Would I would just assume have kickers not be a
part of fantasy. Oh, I think they shouldn't be because
there's just so much luck involved.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
And they also account for a fit amount of points too.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Yeah, you know, like I'm in one games because I've
had twenty five point games out of a kicker, and
it's like.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
We've all won a game that way and lost the
game that way, and it's like, yeah, but I picked
the right quarterbacks and running backs and that did all
the heavy lifting.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
You know, I had a way better week than you
and your kicker beat me.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Defense is a mere different animal. Defense is different.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Now.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Obviously a ton of defense in the streaming world is
very applicable here too. So you're playing, you know, if
you're playing Josh Allen and Lamar. I mean, your defense
is probably not gonna do as well, but I think
there's real football knowledge to picking, especially preseason. Who are
some defenses that could be pretty darn good this year?
Who can rush the fa make play.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Not just the defenses, but the special teams unit. Yeah,
because you get those kick returns things of that might
bigger this year. Yeah. So looking here at Pro Football
focuses defensive rankings, which we've used their rankings all week long.
Here's the funny thing about so they have as I've
we've done all week, I've gone through the rankings like
where the team is or where the player is ranked,
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and then where they're at. So they're yeah, their defensive
start one ninety four, one nine all the way down
through too. Well, some of them are worth a little
bit more, but they go through to four with defenses,
so down through defense twelve to pull back the curve
basically means in a twelve team league, you're waiting until rounds,
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your last round to draft teams.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
That's gonna say if it's a if it's a fifteen
man roster, I would say ninety percent of the drafts
I've done the last ten years, the fifteenth rounds of kicker,
the fourteenth rounds of defense. Yeah, round thirteen, I'm taking
my last flyer on a real player. You know, almost
every draft I do. Yeah, so there you are at
the mercy of what's left.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Yeah. Here's the difference though, So at one ninety three,
their first defense number one is Denver.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
I say Denver would be my one one.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
But the ADP on Denver's defense is one oh two
point eight. Okay, one hundred picks.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
One hundred picks different. Yeah, so they don't be.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
That don't be that guy. Same thing with the defense
number two. It's the Eagles at ninety three point eight.
So they're getting drafted even higher on here the rankings
hundred spots less.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
You're overpaid.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
You're way overpaid defense.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
I mean I would say you're thinking Denver would be
my number one. They had the most saxon league by
a wide margin. They the defensive MVP. They have a
first round draft pick on defense. I mean, they're well
coached on that side of the ball. Peyton is friendly
to his defense. He runs the football.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
The only problem with that.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
But I'm not taking them in the tenth round or
the ninth round.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
They gotta play Kansas City twice. They gotta play the
Chargers twice, which yeah, okay, and they also have to
play and improved Raiders team twice.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Yeah, it's not.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
So for me like Buffalo's defense.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
That's appealing because we were doing like strength of schedule.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Start the schedule stuff, like they're playing garbage in their division.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
I'm glad you brought that up, because if you rewind
a couple of days when we dug into Warren Sharps
strength of schedule stuff, I definitely factor that in when
I'm doing defense.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
There's gonna be some some No, maybe not every week
because they do play that first play schedule and they
get to play the Ravens, they got to play the Chiefs,
but there's a lot of weeks you're gonna be really
happy that you have that.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Defense in the Jets. Yeah, weather and all that stuff,
all that stuff, and now that's kind of looking ahead,
you know. Let the Bills are a perfect example. Boy,
that's a good defense. They drafted heavy on defense. Their
strength is schedule is wonderful. Buffalo weather late in the
year is really conducive to low points. Yeah, but some
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of that stuff is months away. From the day you
make your drafts, you always have to think, yeah, I
mean definitely should split ties.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
And the other thing I recommend too is, especially with defense,
is look at the first four games. I mean, if
you get four pancake or you know, cupcakes right off
the bat and you cut them and get somebody else,
you know what, I mean to look at the matchups the.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Number three defense on here, two Phillys two the Pittsburgh Steelers,
they should be high.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
At one point I'm gonna go on my really long
rant about to me one of the two. I have
two real goals for what the Steelers need to do
on offense and defense, and one of and the defensive
one is basically either lead the league in sacks or
be right next to there, because you should, you know,
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and you have you have the pass rushers, but you
are middle of the road in sacks. And there's a
lot of reasons why. And that's why. It's a long
conversation and some of its secondary. Some of it's covered schemes,
some of it splitz, percentage time to throw, I mean,
over and all and all in all, you have the
most saxhones them last twenty years, you know, you have
great pass rushers.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
You led to the league in sacks five consecutive seasons, right,
it never been Nobody else have done three in a row.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
And I can argue and people laugh, No they're not.
This group of pass rushers might be better than that one.
You know, that's right, there's worse. It's not worse. You
know Herbiing coming off the bench and Harton and you
know it's deep too. And to me, sacks is my
number one thing for defenses. Yeah, and it seems small,
but in the world of defensive special teams, the Steelers
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are elite. And we don't bring this up enough. It
batting down passes at the line of scrimmage. Tips and
overthrows turn into tips, and overthrows are interceptions turnings in
exactly and sometimes pick six is for your fantasy team.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Defense number four is Baltimore.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Yeah, it's a good group. Drafted two guys in the
first two rounds too. Their ADP is ninety eight. That's
way too early when I'm not drafting any of those teams. No,
it's crazy, right right.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Defense number five at one ninety seven is Minnesota.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Interesting because boy Flores is good. I mean, he doesn't
have great players, but he causes chaos and he makes
the quarterback double clutch a lot. That's a really good
division though, it is, and they don't have great players
on defense, I mean Ben Ginkel and you know guys
like that. They're giving big money too. But they did
add two defensive tackles. They were near the top I
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think on fantasy defenses last year. They definitely were near
the top, and like EPA and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Defense Number six is Houston.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
I'm a fan there too. Two edg rushers that are
big time, good scheme, good tacklers, Stingley. They have money
invested there. It's a good group and that division is
pretty division is pretty weak. You like playing those quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yeah. Number seven is Green Bay. They're high on this
every year and they just never live up to the ranking.
I fell forward because we've used a whole bunch of
first round draft.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Picks on the defensive players, right, and they have the
tough division thing going too. There's a lot of underachievers.
I mean, even Gary starting to come back to earth.
Van Ness is very ordinary. That year that they used
to pick on Wyatt and then the linebacker in the
first round is not really bearing fruits. It's Jarry Alexander
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really in someone else can have the Packers.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Defense Number eight is Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
It's always good. They play with a lot of leads.
Chris Jones. Spagnolo is a Hall of Famer. It's always good.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Defense Number nine Detroit.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Playing with leads helps, that helps Domes good for pass rushing.
Loud Hutchinson comes.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
I mean they're gonna play with a lot of leads too.
But they also play a lot of shootouts.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
They also drafted a nose tackle, you know. I mean,
like I wish that was more of a speedball off
the edge investment. I think their secondary is good, not great.
Is Arnold Reay to turn a corner?
Speaker 5 (09:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Tough? Division two?
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Like you said, Okay, Defense ten is Buffalo. We kind
of just talked about a little. I'm a little higher
on him. Defense number eleven Seattle.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
I like the coach who's in charge of the defense.
I think guys like Murphy are really ready to jump up.
Leonard Williams is a really good player. Yeah, they'd probably
be in my top ten. Twelve is the Chargers. I
was talking to AFC West today and I don't know
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if they have really that good of players on defense,
and I didn't think they did last year, but I
think the hole is greater than the sum of the park.
They run the ball like crazy, which keeps a shout
down absolutely helps, which is another thing to keep an
eye on. That's what The way you play offense is
something to think about, for sure. It's a good Ravens
thing too, like they were and the Eagles.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Keep away all day long.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
The anything defense isn't on the field as much. I
don't know where the splash comes from though, other than
mac on defense.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Though right outside the top twelve. San Francisco at thirteen.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Bolsto goes a long way in that conversation, imsidered thinking
Dallas too. I mean it just gets stud edge rusher. Yeah,
is the nice starting points.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Fourteen is miamient Man. I'm not on board with that
at all.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
They'd be like in my bottom five or six that
defense is soft. Yeah right, I mean they got some
edge guys, but that's about it. Yeah, No, that's not
for me.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Fifteen is Tampa Bay.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Yeah, they're always good progressive, Yeah, yeah, they're always good.
They blitzed a lot.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Sixteen is the Jets. I love that one.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Their pass rush would be decent, but it's a lot
of change. That's a hard one to bank on.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Seventeen the Patriots.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
I thought they'd be really good last year, and they
really looked like Belichick wasn't there last year. You know, yeah,
they're probably seventeen is probably fine, but right.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Eighteen is Dallas. Here's why Dallas is too low. Not
only do they have some pass rushers, right, they got
the best return guy in the Again, I never.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Think about that, and I should more often. That goes
a long way. I mean, come on, yeah, yeah, they
a great kicker, great return game. Not that the kicker
helps that.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Big kicker doesn't help that, but the return game shirt does.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Yeah, it does.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
And they teacher their defensive backs give up big plays.
They also make big plays.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
They do make big plays.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
They are Maybe that changes with the coaching change, but.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Yeah, Parsons goes a long way.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Yeah. The Rams are at nineteen.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
I would think about them a little earlier just because
they're front Yeah. Yeah, and they get after the cornerbacks
are soft. But yeah, but they hide them pretty well
and their offense is pretty good and helps the defense
a lot. At twenty or the Colts I like the
coaching change, but we'll see. Yeah, at twenty one are
the Browns Miles Garretts and some corners. The offense is
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gonna help.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
It's just terrible.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
It could be on the field.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
Now.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
You do get a couple of Cleveland games every year.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
There, Yeah, good point. I mean they're a great Streams
Sun twelve nine. Yeah, yeah, there's always two of them.
You want both defenses in that game at.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Twenty two or the Bengals no, no, no, no, no no.
And they even with you got Hendrickson right, okay.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Drafted two linebackers and Shamar stew or, none of which
might help you.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
And they're not interested in stopping anybody. They just want
to win. They just want to play shootouts all day long. Right,
that's what they want to do. You get if you
get to the point where you get negative points, if
you give up thirty or more and that like that. Yeah,
you might take negative points on the Bengals defense every week.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
You would have with some regularity. Right, they'd be way lower.
I mean they might be.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Last Arizona twenty third.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Ooh, I like that. I'd take them way higher. Yeah,
they have a million defensive linemen. They are really really
creative on defense and had no players. I'm really impressed
with that coaching staff. No one talks about Budda. Baker
is like a Minka. He's that good. He's a superstar too.
Drafted two guys in the top two rounds. Sign me
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up for them.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Twenty four is the Falcons.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Maybe they got better rush in the pass or they
have a corner. They got safeties, but they're weak up
the middle. Their tackles are bad.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
The Raiders are at twenty five. The Raiders are kind
of sneaky because they're gonna run the crap out of
the flight.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
I was thinking that too, and they got Crosby. You know.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Back seven is defensive minded coach, right, he's gonna Beryl
knows how to hide stuff. Yeah, you know right. Yeah,
that's not terrible. The Bears comes back. Yeah, Bears are
at twenty six.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Seems a little low, but I'm not going to stand
on the table for him.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
The Saints are at twenty seven.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Jacksonville at twenty eight.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
They have edge rushers. Yeah, played a good division for defense.
The Titans are twenty nine, Yeah, they should be real bad.
Washington at thirty. I think Washington's starting to really resemble
the Bengals in terms of just all gas, no break.
I mean, it's all offense. Their defense has more talent
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than the Bengals, but I don't know Lattimore is good anymore.
They traded their edge rushers and never really got any
back for them. They got a couple of old dudes
are counting on. They really dedicate themselves to offense, which
I get with a young quarterback. But I might be
really in on Washington fantasy, not their defense.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Yeah, at thirty one of the Giants leaving the Panthers
at thirty two. The Giants are under the Giants a
lot higher than that. Yeah, they got five d Lineman.
They can run a waves of pass rushers at you.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Yeah right, Dexter Lawrence is one of the best players
in the league. Who was thirty two.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
By the Carolina Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
I mean they were historically bad last year. They look
better than that. But I'll think the Giants is a
sneaky not that they was drafting two defenses. They might
be fifteen for me. They would be a nice streamer, right,
I would definitely have them on the watch list.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Yeah, thing they got pass rushers man that's the other
you know, the last two years, I've just given up
on defenses. I just dream every week. Yeah yeah, yeah,
there's always somebody out there. I just play matchups.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Yeah, there's some leagues that's hard to do. Some of
the dynasty leagues I'm in, the rosters are big, and
some teams will have.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
To you're a fifteen player a fifteen twelve team league
with your rostered league, yeah yeah, yeah, you'll find stream
every week as long as it doesn't like in my league,
it cost you actual dollars to make transactions, which is
just a weird loophole in our league.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
So it gets kind of expensive playing that way, you know,
But most don't, you know, right, and again that's why
you draft them late.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
I'm just all I do is pick the matchup. I
didn't care if the defense is great. Just pick the matchup.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
And pay attention to weather. Things like that too. Oh
it'sun be a sloppy game. Maybe I will play the
Bengals defense. You know, it's even if it's terrible defense,
it's not that bad. Or Jamis Winston's starting for the Giants.
I might just play the defense he's playing. He throws picks.
You know a lot of it is more dependent on situation.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Absolutely, but let's get to a break that's going to
do it for the fantasy football focus. He is Matt Williamson.
I am Dale Lolly. You're listening to the Drive here
on the Steelers Audio Network, Matt and I'll be back
with more right after.
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We appreciate that, and you can leave your comments there. So, Matt,
since the thirty third team is dead, it seems like
they're pretty like they have gone away. We talked about
there the good stuff on there.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
I don't know. Oh yeah, yeah, they're good writers. And yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Like I'm looking here at CBS Sports dot Com and
they've put together their quarterback power rankings coming out of
the draft.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Okay, well, I guess you Dons have to have Rudolph
represent he does, Yeah he is. You have to.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
So, as things stand right now, this according to CBS
Sports dot Com. We'll discuss as we get Yeah, number
thirty two is Tyler Shuck. Fair has to be, yeah, fair.
Number thirty one is Mason Rudolph.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
I don't know that that's necessarily super fair though, because
number thirty I don't say.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
I don't see who they place as the other quarterbacks
like the Browns don't. Really, it's pretty bad.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
It's pretty bad. Yeah, thirty is Anthony Richardson, and I
don't know if you saw this today. Warren Sharp put
this out. He tweeted it out today earlier today. On
throws of seven or more yards, yeah, Anthony Richardson completes
thirty eight percent of his passes thirty eight percent seven
yards right, seven.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Yards, ten yard out, I mean short out or you know,
some easy throws, comebacks, things like that.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
I think he's I think in that same tweet, I
think he said to league average was like fifty eight
percent something along those lines.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
I'm sure it's drastically under.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Thirty eight percent. He's not a quarterback. He's not.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
He's not yet.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
He won't ever be. I will go on record now,
Anthony Richardson will never be a long term quarterback for anybody.
He stinks.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
I lean that way. But boy, there's some things that
have gone against him too. I like get it, like
the process is so flawed to me because the.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Things like the throwing of the football work against him,
no doubt.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
But you knew that when you drafted him, you know,
like I wouldn't. That's what I'm saying is how do
you go in the draft meetings with intention, Okay, that's
our guy, and not realize this is going to be
a process. I mean, he hardly played in college. I
think he's only attempted like four hundred passes in the
NFL level. And some of it's because he's been injured
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a lot, which is a huge problem. He hasn't been
able to do develop and at this point he might
never Yeah, he'd be lower. I mean he'd have to
be thirty one. He's hard to play against as a runner,
I get it, and he does have a little bit
of the way past.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
I think he's a better football player than he is
a quarterback. Oh yeah, He's not alone in that, right, right, Yeah,
I mean if he were a wide receiver or something like,
I would say, oh, I get that, yeah, right, But
the actual completing of passes.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Quarterall Patterson at the beginning of his career, Yeah, he
was a better football player than wide receiver or running
back or right.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
He's the number one job of a quarterback is to
run the offense and run it effectively. And he doesn't
do that. Every once while Hill hit a big play
and it looks great, you know, Oh it's tantalizing, Or
he'll break a long run that's really tantalizing. Where we
differ is he can't do it consistently.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Though I have not buried him yet. Though I think
he's terrible. I think he's bad so far.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Thirty eight percent. Oh that's seven yards. He's been bad.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
There's no doubt.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
That's not much farther than we are apart. Right now,
I can underhand the ball.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Throw my phone to you. You get thirty eight percent? Yeah,
I get it. I mean, it's definitely been bad. But
this shouldn't be super unexpected, and it's not unexpected from me.
I didn't like him coming out, right, I mean, the
accuracy stuff was a problem every step of the way.
I just think he's got a chance.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
To get better at it, get better. He can't be worse.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
He's going to be worse.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
I mean thirty eight percent, but that's horrible. I mean,
if he improved a forty five percent, that wouldn't even
be passable, right, right, he's terrible.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
He's a terrible passer so far. There's no question he's
always gonna be a bad passer.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Yeah right, we're heading into year three.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Right, But he's played so little.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
I get because he taps out well once for one place,
you only have to do that once, like the rest
of the guys in the locker room, sit, what do
you mean you're tapping out? You're the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
I think that's overblown, but I know that that in
the I don't think it's overblown in locker rooms, I know.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
I mean, like, you're the quarterback, you don't get to
tap out.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
I don't think Max would even mind. He's a Florida
guy and this came up at the combine and he's like, oh,
you can't tap out. I'm like, I know, and that's
a Florida guy. I know he's a Florida guy saying that.
But it's old school lineman, you can't do that. I get.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
It does mean I've never seen a quarterback do that.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
It's ever happened in the history of the planet ever.
But that doesn't mean he can't play football.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
I'm not saying again, I'm not saying he can't play football.
He can't play quarterback.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Now, I don't want people to be like, whenever he
totally busts out a league in three years from now,
like I told you so.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
If it happens the other way, I'm going to get
that thrown on my face.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Of course, And I wouldn't bet that it does go
my way. I'm just not ready to throw him in
the gravy. I don't even know if he can come.
I'm digging.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
I don't even know if he can get the average.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
That's a long way away. It's a long way to
get the way way way. I'm not sure what being
in the opening is a starter. I mean, yeah, when
he was listed there, I was like, I think Daniel
Jones would probably start.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
They gave Daniel Jones money.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Yeah, Daniel Jones is better than the thirtieth best quarterback.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Then you know, uh, twenty nine is Joe Flacco not?
Based on his play necessarily last year he had again stretches.
He has, he played well, but the overall results over
an extended period of time not good.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
I'm not behind Flacco at this stage. Especially at this stage,
I don't think he cares. I didn't think he's going
to sling it, and good for him. This is not
the sound Brown Steeler bias. But if I had to
play seventeen games with the Steelers, I would rather play
with Rudolph than Flacco. Yes, no question.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
He cann't take better care of the football.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Oh yeah, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
If Flacco started seventeen games for somebody in the NFL.
He might throw twenty five interceptions.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Over probably twenty three ish. Yeah, yep, and I think
he's going to be the opening day starter.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Twenty eight is Russell Wilson.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
He'd be number one of the guys we've listed so far.
I don't know. See who's ahead of.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Them at Twenty seven is Michael Pennix. These guys are
so hard to rank. I can't have Michael Penix up
there at this point and didn't playing the preseason last year.
I know you seem like two games of him three.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
I mean, I can put Wilson ahead of Penix. Yeah,
but he had I mean, he's not up there, He's no,
I mean, yeah, right right.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Some of these guys are gonna be really hard to rank.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Twenty six is Bryce Young.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
He'd be higher than cam Ward for me right now,
I think so. I mean, I mean the guys that
we don't know anything about I have got.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Twenty five is cam Wardenon Okay, Okay, I don't know
what that's going to look like.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
No, and it's unfair to rank them, period.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Would it be? Would it shock you if he had
similar numbers to what Mason Rudolph had last year in Tennessee.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
In some way, yes, And I mean that as a
positive the Rudolph because I'm digging here on my phone
because I just did this for fun yesterday. You know,
everyone knows I'm kind of an EPA nerd, and I
was just kind of I was watching some Rudolph stuff
and I was just wondering, what does season really look like?
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And if you go to the EPA site, he doesn't
have enough attempts. So I lowered down the number because
he threw just over two hundred balls. So I said,
anyone with two hundred or more attempts and there was
forty two quarterbacks. Richardson might have been last, by the way,
I'm sure he was. So if the forty two quarterbacks
he was, I think they were like the bottom two.
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So I mean this, guys have played a fair amount.
Two hundred pass tempts is enough to go off of.
Rudolph was twenty third. Like, if that's what he gives
you the rest of his career, that's great, you know
what I mean? So I would rather have ward than Rudolph.
I've been warded off twenty third this year. Is my point. Yeah,
I bet he's below that. Twenty four is justin Fields.
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That's about where he belongs. Fields versus Wilson's an obvious conversation. Yeah,
we have had eight hundred times and continues. Yeah, Fields
was actually ahead of Wilson in the EPA thing, but
a lot of that's legs. Yeah, twenty counts does. Twenty
three is Kyler Murray. I'd still a brace young over
all these guys, not Kyler Murray, Not Kyler Murray. No, Yeah,
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that's pretty low on Kyler. That is real low on Kyler.
Twenty two is Sam Darnold. I'll take Kyler Donald.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Twenty one is to Attago vy Loa.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
This is going to be an interesting neighborhood because it
seems really low to be in the twenties.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
The next name is gonna twenty is JJ McCarthy. Oh,
he has to be right next to Panics or below
he has he has to be below that. We don't
get to see him in the preseason last year, right,
we have never seen him play an NFL game. Yeah,
he might finish higher than that.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Oh, I hope he does.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
I hope he does.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
But how do you put him in or how'd he
rank him? Right? Right? They really shouldn't even be on
the list if you haven't had an NFL snap.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Nineteen is Drake May.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Is he bet? I love him. I don't know if
he's a better player than Kyler right now, but I'd
much rather have him.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
I'd rather probably have him than the next guy.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
I mean, I'd rather have him than just about any
quarterback in the league not in the top six or
seven if I was building a team.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Eighteen is Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
I'm still on board.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
His play last year was not good. Oh, he's the
last two years has not been good.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
It's very erratic.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Now, I'm not saying that he stinks or anything of
the right. This is closer to where he's at than
oh yeah, where his draft.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Stacks for prospect is not probably ever gonna happen. This
is a huge make or break here for him.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Yeah. Seventeen is Gino Smith.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
He's really solid. I mean, I don't know how much
longer he will be.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Sixteen Caleb Williams. He should be lower.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
He has to be lower. He should be like May
had a much better year than him. Yeah, as rookies
in terms of what was around him. And all that.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
The grand scheme of things, Bryce Young probably had a
better year than him.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Yeah, Young's way too low now. I don't think Young's great,
but he should be twenty one.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
His play in the second half of the season was
better than that of Caleb Williams.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Caleb Williams is closer to like a penix right now,
just in terms of where i'd rank him. Yeah, it's
a lot of unknown, but it's more negative than positive.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Fifteen is Bo Nicks Kyler Murray's getting ridiculously disrespected here.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Gino Smith's better football right now than Bonicks. Yeah, you know,
putting the cars before the horse. We're not talking about
what they're going to become.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
No. Fourteen is Dak Prescott.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Unfortunately, I think that's what he slipped down to the
last couple of years have been, you know, hard to
stay in the field and doesn't run anymore.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Thirteen is CJ. Stroud.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Yeah, bet that he's much higher. We all said, Yeah,
Twelve is Justin Herbert. Well, there's gonna be some names
up here. I'm going to disagree with. You're right. I
don't think there's eleven quarterbacks better than Justin Herbert.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Eleven is Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
I think you have to give him credit after a while.
I mean the Tampa stint has been really impressive.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Rather of Herbert. But yeah, ten is brock Purdy.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
It'd be more like fourteen.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Nine Jared Goff.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
If you protect him, I mean you gotta do it.
He couldn't ask him just to be behind a terrible
line running around making plays.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
But he's in a good situation. The next one I'm
going to disagree with. He should be lower Jordan Love
at eight.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
He's not eight. No, I mean he's not better than
justin Herbert.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
It's no better in Baker Mayfield right now.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
No, No, he's not. He's twelve.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Seven is Matthew Stafford. Yeah, he's the best one we've
mentioned in my opinion. Six Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
No, I mean that's that's that's sad.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Five is Josh Allen.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
There's four quarterbacks on the planet better than those two.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
What are we doing here? Four is Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
They're the best three on the planet.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Oh, come on, Burro, come on, what are.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
We doing here?
Speaker 5 (31:18):
Three?
Speaker 2 (31:19):
I mean three is Joe Burrow.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
They're the best four. They're in their own tier, folks.
So that so that means Hurts is in the top two.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Two is Jalen Hurst. One is Jaden Daniels. That's sad
who wrote this crap that is really bad? Cody Benjamin.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
I don't know you, Cody, but Cody be a problem dude.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Hey, commander Cody Man, Come on, I mean, I don't
like to rip on other people's work.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
No, right, were right, Jade.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
And Daniels the number one quarterback in the league right now.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
The top four to me are very very easy. We
can fight about the r this.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Is coming out of the draft like no, no, and
I don't.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Think Burrow's there yet. But truly, to me, Lamar, Allen
and especially Mahomes are all time greats in their prime.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Yes, I mean I am a huge Jayden Daniels fan.
Oh yeah, but one overall.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
I mean, if you I'll make an argument I can
gladly be Jayden Daniels lawyer that he's the next of
the not of the four. And there's four that are
way up here, guys, way up here that it could
be all time all time greats. Yeah, and we're watching them.
They're all in the able year.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
J Daniels right one.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
We can talk about who's number five, but you can't
talk about who's one through four. Come on, they're their
own teams and it's not even close ours too.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Come on.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
So I heard this on a podcast and we don't
have time to do it, but I would love to
do it with you one of these days that they
went through and said, if I took my Homes and
added him to thirty one other teams in the league
and took their quarterback away, how many of those teams
would be super Bowl contenders? Like Deers are definitely one
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of them. Yeah, if you put Mahomes on Steelers, they
are a super Bowl contender. And then the other argument
was how many quarterbacks could you put on the Eagles
instead of Hurts and they would still be Super Bowl contenders?
Which list is bigger? And it kind of is a
final exercise because would you rather have the team or
the stud?
Speaker 2 (33:19):
I'd rather the stud.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
Win. I think so too.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
I think I could win with Mahomes with about twenty
four other teams. I say it's a lot.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
They're both pretty long lists, like Baker Mayfield on the
Eagles would go pretty far. I mean, they're both really
long lists. And it's a fun conversation.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
But that list isn't as long as the.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Mahomes list is great. I mean, he's not gonna take
the Saints to the super Bowl, but if you could
pick everything, no, right, right, there's somebody can do that.
But he might take them to the playoffs maybe maybe,
you know, I mean the Colts would be a super
Bowl contender with it. Yeah, I mean, like, if you
really think about it. Both lists are pretty long.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Where would Aaron Rodgers come in at on this list?
Speaker 3 (34:02):
I'm thinking like Tua Land, but with much variance.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Tua was twenty one. It was Tua McCarthy, Drake.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
May McCarthy, Lawrence you know, I think like Lawrence Land
for now. Now that could go to thirty if he
doesn't want to get hit anymore and everything falls apart,
or they could go to nine if he's on fire.
I mean like he'd be one of the most volatile
ones on there of what is to come. But where
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he is now I would put him slightly below average. Okay.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Yeah, one, you saw where Fields and Wilson ranked on here.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
I'd have my head of those two in terms of
give me the best chances to win today and where
are you today? Yeah? Okay, that was the not doesn't
mean I would rather have two for the Steelers, right,
you know there's a lot that's party year. Okay, you know,
but yeah, I think people what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
That's the very interesting list on CBS. Come on, right, Yeah,
were for years kind of with you there until you
get to that top Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
I didn't think the rest of the list was bad,
but the top six were whoa, whoa, whoa. Yeah, you know,
the top four have to be the top Come on,
young man. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Anyways, we're gonna get to another break. He is the
Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly. You're listening to the
Drive here on the Steelers Audio Network. We'll be back
to finish up the show. We're here from Steelers general
manager Omar Kahn. Right after this.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on
your twenty four to seven home of the Black and
Gold Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Welcome back to the Drive. I am Dale LOLLI he
is the Matt Williamson and as I mentioned earlier in
the show, Steelers general manager Omar Kahan, who typically doesn't
talk after happened from the drafts until he has a
press conference at to start a training camp and that's it,
UH decided, Hey, is it only because of the trade.
(36:12):
I think the trade had a big part of it. Well,
you know, maybe signing a quarterback might change it. But
typically the way things work is that once this part
portion of the season starts, Mike Tomlin is the spoken Yeah,
he's a guy that does all the talking. In this case,
I think Omar Khan felt, hey, I'm gonna come out
and talk about this trade because I kind of there's
(36:35):
or anything right right, right, okay, but some interesting things
said he I can't wait to see what he said.
I thought we just played the whole thing back and
let let our listeners hear what he had to say.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
The trade, Uh, sort of happened quickly.
Speaker 5 (36:50):
You know, we had we had some people acquired under
the draft, nothing that really made.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
Sense, and Cowboys reached out. I don't remember what day
of worked earlier this week, and you.
Speaker 5 (37:02):
Know they gave us, they proposed something that for us
to think about, and you know, we had conversations internally.
You know, I also had some conversations with George's age
of Dave, who I have a good relationship with, and
you know, we we we discussed where things I guess
have been with George where they are and you know
where things could go with George, and uh, you know
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this is just trade made sense for everyone.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
But here we are and happy. Ta any questions. Did
he wanted to leave?
Speaker 5 (37:33):
He never He never asked, if you're asking you, I
was never asked to.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
I was never told that he wanted to leave.
Speaker 6 (37:39):
Now, you guys have been pretty supportive of him throughout
his three years here.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
How did you get to the.
Speaker 5 (37:44):
Point where him going somewhere else turned out to be
the best course of action? You know, we just kind
of talked about it, you know, a lot lots of
serious conversation on as conversations and he just felt that
fresh start for for for both sides was the right thing.
Speaker 7 (37:59):
Where those conversations about a potential extension were negotiating with
him for an extension, you know.
Speaker 5 (38:04):
We don't we don't talk about uh negotiations.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
We just felt it was a time for a fresh start.
Speaker 8 (38:10):
Omar, is it obvious to say that draft picks are
harder to come to high more valuable before the draft draft?
Speaker 5 (38:19):
Uh, it's a good question, you know, like for me,
those those draft picks are valuable no matter what. Yeah,
you know, when you get to the UH, I think
this is what you're asking, Jim. But I think when
you when you're dr when you're the day of the draft,
or or you're going through the draft or those every
one of those picks feels like they're the the.
Speaker 4 (38:39):
Like the greatest pick.
Speaker 5 (38:41):
You know that they're that you don't want to get
rid of them, or or they're valuable.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
But I mean they're they're all They're all important. Interview
it is do you use is it disappointment? Did it
didn't work out? Or do you just move on and
say we got that third round pick, let's just move on.
How how does the organization fill Yeah, you know, I
wouldn't use the word disappoint ointment. You know, we had
three years with George and you know we had.
Speaker 5 (39:04):
Some exciting times, but you know it was just time.
Speaker 4 (39:08):
For the fresh start for both sides. Was was was
the right thing? How does this impact this team this year?
And how did you feel about the depth of receiver?
Speaker 5 (39:18):
We would have done this if we didn't feel good
about the this receiver situation.
Speaker 4 (39:23):
About our death year, you know, and know people will
make the comparison about last year. It's it's not even
closed to be in the same Well, what's the difference, Well,
you know, obviously we've made an investment with DK, We've
had another year with some of the young guys and
gotten to know them, watch them develop.
Speaker 5 (39:40):
We had a Robert Woods who, like I said, we've
had wrote romans healthy.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
I've seen him the last.
Speaker 5 (39:46):
Couple of weeks out here, uh and how he's doing
and so how he was progressing at the end of
last year.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
Obviously he didn't get the chances to.
Speaker 5 (39:52):
Uh uh to get on the field, but there was
some excitement there. Uh.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
But we we have a good group. You know, there's some.
Speaker 5 (39:58):
Guys that came are back and we've seen their growth
and have another year und our belt with them and
feel good about it.
Speaker 7 (40:05):
Is there a potential pool that's more easily accessible for
veterans in free agency as opposed.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
To where you were a year.
Speaker 7 (40:12):
Ago to because it felt like last year when all
those names are being bandied about there were trade potential trades,
whereas do you have a water pool that maybe you
can pick from in free agency this year they could.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
Backfill you mean right now as we sit here today. Yeah,
I mean, like yeah, you know, I I'll say this.
Speaker 5 (40:28):
You know, if there's an opportunity to add a playmaker
and an offense, you know, regardless.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
Of as the receiver or work as you know, we're
gonna look into it. And uh, you know, if it
makes sense, it makes sense.
Speaker 5 (40:37):
But you know that there's there's always good players available,
and I mean that's.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
An interesting question. I there there's good players out there,
and if we wanted to add some people, good but
you know, we we feel comfortable with them. Has there
been an outright in terms of acquiring draft capital for
next year? Has that been an objective that you aggressively.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Have been trying to do or in terms of the
compexitory picks and things like that.
Speaker 5 (40:59):
Yeah, I'll say, you know, this year we were in
a position where uh I enjoying Uh how should I
say this? It was important for us to acknowledge the
fact that we could be in a position to acquire
a conflicts next year. And you know, I mean the
guys saw how we did things in the offseason. That's
obviously something that was uh on the back of our
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minds when we made decisions.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
And uh, we'll see how it all shakes out. You know,
the next phase of this and how much these guys
played in determament where those those compicts end up. Uh,
but that's something.
Speaker 6 (41:30):
We were you know obviously cognizt enough, so we got
to play a role.
Speaker 8 (41:34):
And why you didn't trade on draft weekend and didn't
packed position year?
Speaker 4 (41:38):
Uh what do you mean say it again?
Speaker 5 (41:39):
Uh?
Speaker 8 (41:39):
The next year's draft pick and and uh what you
had just said, they didn't play the role. I it
you didn't make the trade on draft weekend because of that?
Speaker 4 (41:50):
No, No, it's likely it we It just it wasn't.
Speaker 5 (41:53):
You know, the ah a trade that was interesting to
us was not there a draft weekend.
Speaker 4 (41:57):
You know, team's called and they you know a lot
of times you just talking hypotheticals and people.
Speaker 5 (42:02):
Say, hey, would you do X, Y or Z, and
you know most of the time the answers now and
there was just nothing there that was worth uh, you know.
Speaker 4 (42:10):
Discussing and owners meetings maybe elsewhere.
Speaker 6 (42:12):
You guys sound pretty exciting about d K and George's
chematic challenges.
Speaker 4 (42:16):
I can prevent the defense? Is what changed between now
and Wednesday?
Speaker 5 (42:20):
Yeah, you know, it's just you know, I guess we
had a team they called and you know, gave us
something worth thinking about. And you know, we had the
conversations and like I said, we talked about you know.
Speaker 4 (42:34):
Where we've been and where we are, where we could be.
It just it just it just made sense that the U.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
A fresh start was a good idea.
Speaker 6 (42:41):
And the business aspect always comes in with guys in
the last year their deal, whether they're younger or older.
And did you guys think there was a chance he
was gonna hold do the whole end type thing and
training camp and and all that stuff.
Speaker 4 (42:53):
You know, it's that's a hypothetical.
Speaker 5 (42:54):
I I don't I don't know where that would have gone.
Speaker 4 (42:57):
There's last one, last one. You guys have had recent
trading way of receivers that you guys have drafted.
Speaker 5 (43:03):
Does that impact any vision for how you guys want
to assemble your talent or the type of players you
want to bring into your organization and moving forward. No,
I mean some of that's just really coincidence that was
played out with the position.
Speaker 4 (43:15):
I mean, we're always trying to get good players, regardless of.
Speaker 5 (43:17):
What position it's at and at any at any point
in the year, So you know, I think there's.
Speaker 4 (43:22):
Some coincidents of that, but we're going.
Speaker 5 (43:25):
To get good players, good people, and you know, we're
chasing a championship, and every decision we make is based
on trying to win a championship, not only you know, in.
Speaker 4 (43:34):
The future, but this year. I mean, we're focused on
trying to win a championship this year. And you know,
I know there's a.
Speaker 5 (43:39):
Lot of questions about different things, but there's a lot
of time between now and the start of the season
and the rest assure we're trying to un.
Speaker 4 (43:47):
A championship this year.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
That was Steelers General manager Omar Kahn with the assembled
media earlier today over at the Steelers rookie Mini camp,
which will continue through the weekend.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
Days right there day, Saturday, Sunday.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
Yeah, so they'll see if there's any more news that
comes out of that whole event. But some interesting stuff
there from Omar. We had already talked about a lot
of that stuff.
Speaker 3 (44:10):
But yeah, yeah, it's our last segment of the week.
But we got schedule release stuff coming up. We got
more rotas on things.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
I did want to mention. The NFL going to make
some announcements on some of the early games. Yeah, yeah,
I think some maybe like the Black Friday game, maybe
the International Games. That's going to start Monday and Tuesday, so.
Speaker 3 (44:31):
Maybe start filtering in some maybe.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
We'll get an idea of when that game in Ireland
will be played.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
Cool, really looking forward to it. I'm sure r a
Wednesday that'd be great. So and then we're being as
live schedule release show as we always do.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
We are. Yeah, but so lots of stuff coming here
next week. A busy week, but that's going to do
it for us today. For my partner Matt Williamson, for
Justin Miller here on site running the Justin Miller Hotline
you can hear him on Kiss FM. And for Tyler
Viittmeyer joining us back in studio today. Make making sure
our video gets out there on the YouTube. I am
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