May 2, 2025 • 45 mins
Matt and Dale discuss some favorable and unfavorable NFL fantasy football prospects coming out the NFL Draft before giving their opinions on past Steelers Drafts.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on
your twenty four to seven home of the Black and
Gold Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Welcome back to the Drive. I'm Dale LOLLI he is
the Matt Williamson and Matt jumping into the little fantasy
football here.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Yeah, start host draft right.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Matthew Berry has put together his list of players he
likes and doesn't like coming out of the draft because
of the way things change for them. Yeah yeah, not
just the rookies, but some of the veterans as well,
and so quarterbacks, let's jump into that quarterbacks he loves.
Post draft, he has Caleb Williams on this list.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Number one went pretty well for him. I mean you
got two big time receiving prospects. Yeah, and the interior
lines looks like it's there are no more excuses for
Caleb Boyams.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Oh no, No, I still have very much any questions
about Caleb Boyas I do too.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
I do too. But for fantasy only? Could is he
his top twelve? M No, I don't know what. The
run off doesn't run as much you think. I bet
I could have come up with Mortan like would rather
have Trevor Lawrence. No, no, but I mean there's probably
ten easy.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Yeah, but he did well. He did well.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
I mean it's fantasy stock.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
I'd rather have Jordan Love than Caleb Williams.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
That's a good example.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Baker Baker. Yeah, who's next on this list? Baker May.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
I guess he would be a nice receivers. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Yeah. Other guys that he has on his list, those
are the two guys that he loves. Others that he
has on the list Justin Fields because they didn't Yeah,
they they didn't draft another quarterback. So he's going to
be the starter all season.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Yeah. And I think one thing that's forgotten about Fields
is their new head coach had to defend against Fields
in the NFC North. Yeah. Those he can be paying
the butt.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
You know, he has Justin Herbert on this list. And
I actually look thought more. I look at this the
other way because you say, what they added three pass
catchers in a draft. Yeah, but it was Trey Harris
KeAndre Lambert Smith and Rondez Gadson, none of whom were
premium picks.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Right, thought, maybe they especially the off season as a whole, and.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
They he added a couple of running backs in the
off season. You're going to run the ball.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
More right, his passing numbers might not go off.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
It's not Yeah, he's not going to be a high
volume passer. I'm not.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
I don't want to touch Justin Herbert and Fantasy next year.
I mean he's a much he's a much better player
than fantasy player. But his tuck didn't go up.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
No, it couldn't.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
You're taking Catle Williams over him and face I would, Yeah, Yeah,
I agree.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Trevor Lawrence is a question there, like Justin Herbert or
Trevor Lawrence. Yeah, that's a legit argument there. QB two's
Drake may Oh buy that Trevy? They added Trevon Henderson
and Kyle Williams.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Is that enough to I'm kind of including Digs in
that too, I guess kind of a recent one though.
I heard today that he's been running and it's looking good.
How much I believe it, But yeah, it's got better
for him. Henderson's helpful. Bryce Young in Carolina. Yeah, I
mean you got a number one receiver. I don't think
he's a true NFL number one, but it helped his cause.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Yeah, and the last guy is well, like I might take.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
May over all these guys we've talked about.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
He runs Tyler shuck.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Yeah, I mean yeah, I mean, I don't think anybody
expected him to be fantasy relevant, and maybe he is.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Quarterbacks he hates post draft Dak Prescott.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Yeah, you got a guard, not much else.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
It's still Ceedee Lamb, Jalen Tolbert, Cavante, Turpin Mingo.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
They traded for.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Yeah, that receiver group's bad. It's tight.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
I mean Dak didn't get any favors.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
No, no, well, I mean you're paying him a bunch
of money. He's supposed to be the guy that elevates.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Where you're at on him in fantasy.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
I would take him head of Caleb Williams.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
I was, let's ask you versus Baker.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
I might rather Baker.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
They got rather Baker throws touchdowns. Yeah, yeah, and he
runs more than Dak.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Yeah, Shudoor Sanders.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
The guys went backwards.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
I guess maybe he had a going into the draft.
Maybe people thought he'd be an opening day starter.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
And somebody on our message board on yesterday's show said
something I proposed to the point that, you know, why
do you not like the Browns draft when they got
the guy in the fifth, fifth round that everybody said
they were going to be taking at the second overall pick.
I'm like, well, by the time the draft rolled around,
nobody had them taking Shoot or Sanders in the second pick.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
I really dis liked their draft. They didn't taken alignment. Yeah,
I mean, Sanders made my favorite pick they made.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
I mean the value was great, but yeah, he'd already
taken another quarterback.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
But there's something going on there. Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Running backs that he loves post draft, Ashton Genty, well,
I imagine he probably liked him, probably too.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Yeah, Carrol's got a pretty good reputation if he does
guy though, and then the old line's okay.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
The next one's a little questionable, and not because of
where he landed at, because of the situation Amari and Hampton.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Oh you much rather he landed in like Chicago, yeah,
or Denver? Right, great spot?
Speaker 2 (05:29):
No, I mean he's they they gave Nause Harris some money.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Yeah, yeah, and he seems like a good fit for him.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
And we didn't love Hampton for Rookie of the Year.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
So let's say it's a sixty forty split in Hampton's
favor in Hampton's favor, that still doesn't make him a
great fantasy running back next year.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
No, I don't know if he's a top twenty four. Yeah,
I mean he's definitely not a top twelve, and.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
I'll take my chances. Nause might be the third down
back too. He's going he's a better he's a better
pass blocker than go attaction.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Yeah, at least right this minute. I'm sure Hampton could
take things over the last He might win your playoffs
for you. Maybe a takeover. Yeah, you know, but I
have a hard time drafting them high.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Quinn Shad Jenkins, Yeah, I mean I.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Guess he goes up because he's clearly the one. Samson's
not a real threat. Yeah, but I think the offense
is bad bad. I don't love him. Where he landed
r J.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Harvey that should work out, yeah, really well for him.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Yeah, I don't even know if you have to like
him as a player. I mean, it's just a good situation.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
I mean, Julia McLaughlin's probably still the third down back
as Rodrick guest amasi at the other guy and Tyler Baddie.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
I mean those aren't much the kind of competition ye
in battle. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Caleb Johnson with the Steelers.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Agreed Yeah, we talked about that in the Rookie of
the Year stuff. It's a real good landing spot for him.
Scheme two.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
His others receiving votes were Chase Brown with the Bengals.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Yeah, Todds Brooks isn't a bad player, but that's they
thought they might get more competition.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Yeah, Isaiah Pacheco.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
They didn't do much.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
They didn't really. They added another seventh round back and.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
They drafted a alignment at all.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
It's Bershard Smith. He's not in every down back.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
No, now that works off well for pachecka. I'm a
little shocked in a running back heavy draft they didn't
do a little more.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Than they thought.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah, uh, Javonte Williams. I guess he's the one. It
sure looks like it. I mean again, Jayden Blue is
not in every down back and was a seventh round
draft pick.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Miles Anders is hard to trust too, right, Yeah, Yeah,
I guess it's Williams. Jordan James, Yes, I think we're
talking about him today. I eventually we did the NMFC
West show. I think he's the two. I think he's
the handcuff. Yeah, McCaffrey, who do you trust?
Speaker 2 (07:53):
McCaffrey you know, and they're not gonna have McCaffrey and
they're closing out games.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
No, I keep bumping Jordan James up my Dynasty rookie stuff.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Yeah, he's gonna play Devin Neil not bad.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Maybe Kamara to kind of get out of the way, but.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
It just might be a bad offense. Yeah, So I
don't I.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Don't know what to deal with Kendrey Miller is. People
don't seem to like him. Yeah, in the building, right,
it's a new new group, new group, and yeah, you
just don't know. It's not a bad spot for Neil though.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Running backs, he hates Ramandrie Stevenson.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Yeah that was a shot. Yeah, that hurt. That definitely hurt.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
He hates Nagie Harris. He went backwards, yeah much rather again,
he went from maybe you're getting seventy percent of this
the carries to maybe again, maybe forty.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Much rather they took Loveland or a receiver or Golden
you know.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Jalen Warren.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Yeah, but I don't think anyone thought he was going
to be a bell cow.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Jalen Warren's role is not going to change right at all? Right, right,
I In fact, he might get a little bit more
than last year than last year. I remember he was,
but it was it was pretty much a fifty to
fifty split between him and not years.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Yeah, I don't think he went backwards.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
No, I think he's the same. Yeah, I don't know
if I would hate him. He's a flex right, Yeah,
you know that's what he is. If he's a flex
tyrone Tracy, he went backwards?
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Who did they take again? To him? Was?
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Okay, scatterbo Maybe that's a goal line guy. You might
lose your goal line carries and he's not. They still
have Devin Singletary hands right too.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Right. Tracy's a nice story, but he's not infallible.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Yeah, he did fumble a couple of times down the stretch. Yeah, yeah,
Travis at n Yes, maybe he.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Ends up in Dallas. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
I think they took two. They took bay Shell, Tuton
and LeQuinn Allen.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Oh yeah, and Tank was already still there.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Bigsby was already there past catchers. He loves post draft,
Travis Hunter.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
That's a good spot. I mean, somebody you didn't want
to be a corner, now, you know, I mean someone
traded up to make you mostly a receiver. New England
and Jacksonville are the teams you wanted?
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yeah, right, if you had a fantasy purposes Tederoe McMillan.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Yeah, I mean somebody loved you. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Calvin Ridley, I agree, I agree. I mean they didn't
go out and add anything of that.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
They get some mid round guys that are kind of
interesting and Locket they added right for the draft. But
Ridley's gonna leave that team receptions. Yeah, and he probably
got a quarterback upgrade.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Yeah. Jerry Judy in Cleveland, I'm.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Not sure I'm there yet, but he has gotten a
lot better.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Well, here's the thing. If they would have they would
added Hunter that it would have been a much better
situation for Hunter than Jacksonville, right, and it would have
killed Judy.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
It really hurt Judy.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
I think the key to him, though, is he wants
Flacco to be the quarterback. I think so Lacos like Winston,
he's good for receivers and right now it's it's Cedric Gone,
Cedric Tillman, Deontay Johnson, Michael Woods and Jamari Thrash. He's
the one.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
I like he's getting the targets.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
I mean, Judy had a really good year. Yeah, but
I didn't see that coming.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
I mean, he got one hundred and forty five targets
last year, which was seventh among wide receivers. Like for
fantasy changing.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Would you take Judy compared to the Steelers receivers.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
I get one hundred and forty five targets. That's a
ton of targets. Like there's nobody else in town to
share them with.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Right, I think they'ren'll be losing a lot too. Yeah,
he's probably wide.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Receiver necessarily love the player, but right, forty five targets,
one hundred and forty five targets.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Coach esaff likes them.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Colston loved them with Chicago.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Rookie tight ends all of a sudden, making him one
of my making him.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
As saying, way, Ben Johnson's there, the new coach, and
the Lions racked eighth and fantasy tight end points in
his time.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
More of it. That's a thing though. Yeah, other guys
that he likes, Jack Beck. Okay, I actually was thinking
about this too. I think Myers is a winner. Myers
because he's a number one right, number one a lot
of number one wide receive right. Right, Myers had a
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much better Fantasy year than people realize if Jack Bash
is his biggest you know, new competition.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Right, he's sitting pretty Jack Beck and Trey Tucker.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Yeah that's not bad.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Uh hm hm.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Quentin Johnston, I guess they thought they could have got
more competition. Yeah, Mike Williams doesn't look too scary Johnston.
I know, k Yere Yeah, he's not for me.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Kyle Williams, Yeah that's goods.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
But I think he could start opposite Diggs.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Jalen Tolbert.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
I guess he's the two.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
I mean, he used the second round draft pick on
him two years ago. Like he's gonna be He's gonna
have to be the number two.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
I mentioned Mingo before they gave up a fourth for
him after a bad rookie year, which might just be
a terrible trade. Yeah, they have some plan there.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Uh. Pat Bryant, I don't see it.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
No, I like what then Ver did? All in all,
but people are talking about Pat Bryant like he's oh
they found there. Michael Thomas, I'm like, let's go because Peyton,
you know, yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Peyton compared him to oh did he actually sad compared him?
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Come on man, yeah, that's pretty lofty. I mean Michael
Thomas like led the league in receptions like.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Two or three times.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Jylen Royals not bad, but it doesn't Racy Race is
going to move by the way and they back and
they compared him to Woods there. It's crowded.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
It is crowded. Kelsey's still looming.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Mason Taylor not bad.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
I mean I doubt he'll be their number two receiver,
but it's possible.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Finished with fifty catches, yeah, yeah. Uh. Terrence Ferguson, I
guess kind of by default. Yeah, past catchers. He hates
post draft DJ Moore.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Yeah, there was a lot of effort stuff people didn't
like last year and body language and things like that. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Chris Godwin and Jaylen McMillan in Tampa Bay. Not Evans though,
No Evans is going to be Evans. Yeah, although at
some point was he thirty two now? Yeah, But I
mean Godwin was like a top five guy when he
was getting peppered with targets.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Yeah, he was.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
He was a fantasy winner until he got hurt.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
If he's real cheap this year, I think I'd roll
the dice on him, especially we see a little bit
in the preseason. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Jaden Reid with Green Bay, I don't think he goes away.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
No, I think he's better than Dubs and Watson's out
of the mix. I think it's reading the first round
golden Golden, Yeah, I think he'll be on the field
a lot.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Yeah, just figuring out which one's going to be again,
it's typical Green baypron which one's going to be the
number one?
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Like it's not as crowded as like Kansas City though, No, you.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Know, not nearly, especially, you know, with Watson out of
the equation, right, right, tank Dell and Houston well, obviously
I don't know if he's he might never play again, right,
But they took Jayden, Higgins and Jalen and already had
Kirk Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
And let alone Nico. I mean Dell's out of the picture.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Tyler Warren in Indianapolis, I don't think that's a great
landing spot.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Terrible landing spot.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
They got a lot of receivers, a lot of receivers
and really inaccurate quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Yeah, I bet They're run percentage is really hot.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
I would have felt better if Loveland had gone to Indianapolis,
just because he's a better he's better at adjusting to
bad balls.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
He did a lot of it. In Michigan. Yeah, bad quarterback.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
I'm not saying Warren can't do it right, right right,
He didn't have to do it like Loveland did.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Was not McCarthy throwing to him. Yeah, that's a terrible
spot for him.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yeah, I mean, what's he finished with this year? Forty catches?
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Probably a lot of short manufactured easy layups too.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
I don't even trust I don't trust Anthony Richardson to
complete the short passes on a consistent basis.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
All these rookie tight ends don't do it for me
for fantasy this year.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
It's tough. Yeah, it's very tough. But that was Matthew
Berry's love hate. Okay, post draft, some interesting names on there.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
I was just thinking from a Steeler perspective. Nothing really
changed that much, you know. I know Warren made his list,
but we didn't think he really should. Yeah, John John
made the list in a good way, which I agree
should have that he could have went somewhere it was
way more crowded like Hampton did. Yeah, but don't know.
I mean, is Rogers fantasy worthy if he's the guy,
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he doesn't run him out of one hundred rushing yards
this year? Yeah, I mean i'd take him over like
Wilson from last year, but it'd be kind of in
that neighborhood. Fantasy wise, they're gonna run.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
The ball a lot.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Yeah, you know, yeah, for sure. Let's get through a break.
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Speaker 1 (17:07):
This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson
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Speaker 2 (17:30):
Welcome back on Dale Lolly. He is the Matt Williamson,
and this is the Drive on the Steelers Audio Network
and the Matt we mentioned in the first hour. We
go back and look at some of the Steeler drafts.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Yeah, over the.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Last well, everybody's everybody knows the nineteen seventy four draft
the best in Steelers history. It's the best in NFL
history period, end of discussion. Nobody's especially they're Donnie Shell
in the mix too. Yeah, undrafted, nobody's c Yeah. But
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you start to look at like a lot of people
look at the draft and say, well, you don't have
any of these guys on your team anymore, So the
draft can't They couldn't have been a good one.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Oh, we had some good examples of like Holland and
guys like that that were really good picks that were
too expensive. Williams.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
So, for example, when people go back and look at,
say the twenty sixteen draft, which was for the Steelers,
Artie Burns, Sean Davis, Javon Hargrave, Gerald Hawkins, Travis Foeney,
DeMarcus Ayres, Tyler, Metakevitch, so.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
I was that draft was terrible. It was a bust
of a draft. A Artie Burns is still in the league, right,
You're not thrilled you took him in the first round, No,
of course, but he's still in the league.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Javon Hargrave got money, and if Steph, here's the thing
with Javon Hargrave. That's the best pick of the draft.
If they hadn't paid stuff onto it, he might still
the year before that they could have paid Juwon Hargrave.
Not knowing that stuff onto it wasn't gonna last.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Yeah, that doesn't make Jevon Hargrave a bad pick.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
That's not e were close to a bad pick. That's
a great pick.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
That's a great pick.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
That's a third round guy that's turned into almost pro
bowl or kind of pro bowler type. I would argue,
I know this is kind of getting nerdy, but for
Matta Kaevich in the seventh round, you accomplished exactly what
you wanted that I mean, I'm looking at their careers. Yeah,
and not that doesn't mean you have to be a
Steeler for life. No, And I think sometimes people get
caught up in that part of it exactly. For example,
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the twenty seventeen draft, I don't care how you look
at it, was a great draft for the Steelers.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
You got t J.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Watt, But that's that in itself is a great draft.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Juju Smith Schuster in the second round you got a
lot out of Juju. Cameron Sutton in a third round
you got a lot out of Sutton. James Connor in
the third round is a compensatory pick. Josh Dobbs in
the fourth round, that's a hit, that's a fantastic You
got five guys who eight years later are still in
the NFL.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
That, I don't care, one of the best players in
the league.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
I don't care where they're playing at.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Right, right, right. They were good draft payers, good draft picks.
We picked the right people. Yeah, I think that's the
way you have to look at it. We've had this,
not argument, but conversation a lot lately. Dobbs in the
fifth round is a good pick. If Howard has a
Dobbs career, that's a good pick. Yeah. I mean, he lasted,
He played meaningful snaps. He was useful on and off
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the field to other quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Twenty eighteen was Terrell Edmonds in the first round, James
Washington in the second, Mason Rudolph and Chooks a CORPS
four in the third, Marcus Allen Jalen Samuels in the
fifth round, Josh Fraser defensive tackle in the seventh round. Again,
not a great draft.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
And looked better early and didn't age well.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Yeah, I mean James James Washington was a I'd say
he wasn't horrible. He led your team in receiving yards
in twenty nineteen when you had nothing. Yeah, yeah, you know,
Edmonds was a was a four year starter for You's
still in the league.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Yeah, it's not a worthless draft. No, Rudolph is aging
the best of course. Yeah, Chuker was the starting tackle.
He's sort of in the Dan Moore conversation we had earlier.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Yeah, I mean, he's played seventy eight career games. The
only the only guy in that draft class who had
who's played more is Torell Edmands, who's played one hundred
and one career games.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
There's a durability thing with him too. Yeah. Yeah, not
the greatest, but not the greatest. But brendis again, if
you get three starters out of a draft, you're really happy.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Twenty nineteen was the Devin Bush trade up out. Yeah,
and nobody was panning them trading up for Devin Bush
at that time.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
No, do you think his injury was the biggest thing
that derailed his career?
Speaker 2 (21:50):
I think so.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
But Deontay Johnson in the third round.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
That's a home run.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
That's a home run.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
I guess they'd have a two.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
They didn't have a two because yeah, Justin lane In
also in round three. I mean he lasted a little
Benny Snell in round four.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
That's not bad either.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
That that's a round four running back.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Yeah you got, you got almost also a core special
team it was a.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Get almost a thousand yards out of him in his career.
Zach Gentry, And that's not terrible either.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
I mean he was a contributor.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Sutton Smith in the in round six that didn't work out.
Us Isaiah Bugs in round six as well. Is still
he's still in the league. Uh Ulysses Gilbert in another
sixth round pick, and Derwin Gray in the seventh round pound.
Now a lot of those guys were fifth round and lower.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Yeah, yeah, I know it's asking a lot. But one
thing you'd love to see that hasn't really happened in
that era is the sixth round. That's a real hit.
You know, I don't think be t J. Watt, but
I mean, like every downstarter.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
The next year. Now, remember they had traded their first
round draft pick, oh right, okay from micka Fitzpatrick. Yeh,
Chase Claypool in the second round.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
You can't figure if that's a good pick or not.
Because there was some good stuff early. You end up
gett turned him into Joey Porter.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
He had one hundred in his career. He has one
hundred and seventy five catches for twenty two hundred yards
and thirteen touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
I mean his career really tallied off, but it was
after you got rid of him, right, you know. I
mean I'm not sure if it has a good or
bad pick for the stealer. You get Alex high Smith
in round three, Yeah, that's that's a home run. It's
a big time hit. Yeah. Uh.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Anthony McFarlane frankly like if.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
The Niners taking Mike kel Williams at ten turns into
Alex high Smith, they're happy. Noh yeah, I mean that's
any of these a rushers.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Anthony Mofarland in round four, Not so much, right, Kevin
Dotson in round four.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
His best was elsewhere. But that's still a nice pick.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Yeah, Antoine Brooks in the round six and Carls Carlos
Davis in round seven. Carlos Davis might still be in
the league. He's kicked around a little bit in twin
I get confused. Twenty twenty one, we went over that
draft earlier. Naujia Harris, Pat Frarm with Kevin green More,
Isaiah louder Milk. Those guys are all still in the league. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
(24:04):
And Isaiah louder Milk is the perfect example of the
people will you didn't give him a second contract? Well,
they did give Isaiah louder Milk a second contract. That
doesn't mean it's a hit.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Right, right, right, right. I mean they kind of brought
him back and he might not make the team.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
But I'll make the team. But you know it goes
against well, if you don't give the guy the second contract,
then he couldn't have been a hit.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Now, he can't argue both sides of that. No, there's
too many circumstances there. That's not a good Dan Moore
was a hit. He's not in Pittsburgh anymore, right, right,
But he was a hit more so than Isaiah louder Milk.
He's very wealthy too.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Yeah, right, twenty twenty two, All those guys are still
in the league right now. Kenny pick Att, George Pickens
to Marvin Leal, Calvin Austin Connor, Heyward Mark Robinson, Chris A. Lodacon.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Okay, you want more out of your first of course,
but quarterbacks have a high bus, right.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Yeah, looking back at some of these other dress people
want to look how how far back do you look
at a draft before? When you say, uh, for example,
when Mason Rudolph and Trell Evans left in the officer Mason,
Torell Evans, Mason Rudolph, and Chucks the corps for are
(25:12):
all left last offseason?
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Yeah, Well the Steelers don't have anybody left from their
twenty eighteen draft. This is in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Yeah yeah, like right right.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Six years in the NFL is a long.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
As a long time, not for long, yeah, I mean,
I mean NFL stands for not for long. Yeah, that
does bother me sometimes, Like, man, they don't have anyone
from their twenty fifteen draft class or four. I mean,
like that's a long time ago. I mean how many
teams have think about this? So the twenty fifteen draft
was Bud Dupree, who's still in the league. Yeah, yeah,
san Quiz Golson. The other thing we have to know
(25:44):
is these aren't top ten picks by the way, right.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Ever, ever, Sammy Coates, Duran Grant, Jesse, James lt, Walton
Anthony Chickelow, Gerrod Hollman.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
I don't know if that was a bad draft or
not for the Steelers. You know, like Jesse James was
a valuable player. Losing san Quiz Golson hurt. I didn't
say that was unforeseen.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Yeah, back to back injuries and just didn't never nothing.
But you got bud Dupree Adam and your franchise tag him.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Yeah he started slow, but you didn't need him to
be a superstar immediately either.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
The twenty fourteen draft was Ryan Shazier and steff On
to It in the first two rounds. Those were both
home runs.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
And just imagine, Yeah, I mean what could have kept
going on with both?
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Then you got Dree Archer and the third. But you
took Martavis Bryan in the fourth. Right, that was a
home run.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
That's a home run. I mean you got a real
impact player in the mid rounds. Yeah, that's a really
good draft. Archer was just a flat a mistake.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Yeah. Yeah. Twenty thirteen, they took Jarvis Jones in the
first round. That's a miss. But then you got leve
On Bell in the second.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
I was back in the league for a while.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
That was a absolute home run.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Absolute home run. It might even make up for.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Jones Marcus Wheaton in the third. He was a seventy
ninth pick. Those third round wide receivers. Once you get
that low, we kind of talk about that.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
I wouldn't call him as though, I mean he played
a fair amount.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Yeah, Shamarco Thomas, Landry Jones in the fourth round.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Landry Jones is another example of the backup quarterback that
last is worth a sixth seventh round pick.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
You got Terry Hawthorne in the fifth, Justin Brown in
the sixth, Vince Williams in the sixth. That's the kind
of sixth round pick that.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Yeah, you get starter in the sixth round. That's that's living.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
And then the seventh round pick was Nick Williams, who
is still in the damn league?
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Is he really? Yeah? Wow? No, that's good stuff with
like the Vince Williams a perfect example. He doesn't have
to be Jack Lambert or Jack hamb but he's a
good player for you and plays a lot of snaps there.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
In twenty twelve, Kelvin Beacham was their seventh round draft pick.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
That's a home run.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
He was almost the last guy picked in that draft.
So two hundred and forty eighth and he is still playing.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
I won't know how many games he's played.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
He has played one hundred and seventy nine career games. Wow,
Like that was their David Di Castro draft with Mike
Adams in the second.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Adam was a mess.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
But yeah, Cam Hayward obviously in twenty eleven, still going hard.
But you got Marcus Gilbert in the second. It's a
good player.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Yeah, yeah, I mean that's a starting tackle. It's a
hard position to fine.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Yeah, and again you were picking thirty first that year,
so thirty first and sixty third.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
I think that again goes without saying that a lot
of these are late in the round.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
The twenty ten draft, you got Marquise Pouncey in the
first round, Jason Worlds in the second. And I know
people want to rip on Jason Worlds, but he led
the team in sacks in two different seasons.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Did he give the game up to just pursue other interests?
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (28:36):
He okay, yeah, yeah, I think he was religious and
did something with that. He did play football.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
He wasn't a bad player. He was blocked for two
years by James Harrison and Lamar Woodley.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Right, like people.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
I remember people ripping on I can't believe it took him, Like,
where's he supposed to start at? Yeah, yeah, don't blame
the player.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Right right, that's not necessarily a bad pick.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Now, Emmanuel Sanders in a third, that's a home That
was the eighty second pick in that draft.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Then, oh, by the way, they got some guy named
Antonio Brown in the sixth.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Yeah, now that's where you're really talking.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
I mean, you could make the argument that's one of
the better drafts in team.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
History, probably team history. Right.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Cam Hayward may be in the same draft, Marquise Pouncey
is a borderline without faunt. Yeah, the draft and you
got you might have two Hall of famers in that
same draft.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Yeah, that's pretty strong.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
That's pretty damn strong.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
I wonder how often that's happened in NFL history. We
opened with the Steelers having several in one draft. Yeah,
how many drafts had two Hall of famers in the.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Same Going back here, I'm just I want to look
here the Roethlisberger draft, when you all you got, you
got Ralph Roethlisberger, Ricardo Cokeley in the second, Max Stark's
in the third. That's a hit that's a hit. Pick
seventy five, Max, There you go, Max. Uh. The uh
Paulamalo draft traded up for Troy Polamalo took Alonzo Jackson
(29:57):
in the second round.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Yeah, we're throwing some Hall of Fame name in a
round though, too.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
But you got Ike Taylor in the in the fourth.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Oh, that'd be great.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
You got two starting defensive backs and one of them
is in the Pro Football Hall of Fame in the
same draft.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
If you get like Taylor in the fourth round next year,
you're loving it. Oh.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Absolutely. The two thousand and two draft Kendall Simmons and
that was really late, right, wasn't he the thirtieth Yeah,
Antoine Randall at sixty two.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Simmons was a really good starter.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Chris Hope at ninety four, he was a starter, right
a long time. Ye started the suit for a Super Bowl.
Larry Foot in the fourth round, also a starter, now
one hundred he played the most games out of all
those guys, one hundred and eighty seven. Really, you also
got varn Haynes, who was around type.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
And oh, by the way, you got Brett Keesl in
the seventh Oh wow, I mean that's living large too. Yeah,
those late hits, and they had four guys in that
draft that played it one hundred and forty three games
or more. We mentioned, you know, two starters is great,
three starters is really great. You got five he got
in that one, right.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
That's that's how you changed things around the two thousand
and one draft again another Casey Hampton, Kendrow.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Bell boom boom, boom boom, and immediately changed the defense. Right.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Yeah. Then you also got guys like CHUCKI Yakobe played
seventy eight career games, Rodney Bailey who played eighty four.
Roger Knight stuck around the league for a while. He
was a sixth round pick. Didn't stick here, but he played,
I think for the Saints for a long time. That
two thousand draft. Plexico Buris, that's a hit. Marvel Smith,
(31:32):
that's definitely the second round. Kendrick Clancy in the third.
He's a quality player, right, Hank Potite in the third.
He played one hundred and ten career games. Clark Hagen's
played the most games at of all. He was a
fifth round pick, one hundred and seventy two career games. Wow,
forty six and a half career sacks.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
Yeah, that's wonderful. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
The ninety nine draft, Troy Edwards in the first round. Oh,
you had a terrible draft, Scott Shields in a second. Oh,
you must have had an awful draft. Joey Porter in
the third. Yeah, yeah, that worked out. Okay, Uh, you
got Aaron Smith in the fourth. Edwards was good the rookie, though,
I remember he led the team in receptions, kind.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Of by default. They need a receiver bad.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
But you got Joey Porter and Aaron Smith in the
third and fourth rounds. You got Jeremy Tooman in the fifth,
Chris Brown the kicker in the seventh round. At least
you hit on your kicker too. Yeah, but you get
Porter and again you got four guys in that draft
who played more than one hundred career games.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Porter and Smith are stalwart defensive. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Ninety eight draft, Alan Fanica huge, Jeremy Stott. Okay, that
didn't work out, Chris Conrad in the third, but then
he took kinz Ward.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Yeah. Then in the fourth round you took to Shaye Townsend.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Think about that. I mean they got Ward and Fanica
one year on offense and then Porter and Smith the
next year on defense. Like not only they good start.
I mean they're high, high end start.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Fifth round, they got Jason Simmons who played a long time,
Chris Fuamatu Maalafala in the sixth round.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
It was useful.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Those were useful guys.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Just looking.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Yeah, I don't know what I would rank again that.
So a couple of those earlier drafts that we just
talked about might be the ones that you look at
and say, that's.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
They're some of the best ones in Yeah, our history
for sure. This one was.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Ninety two Leon Searcy, high quality player, Levon Kirkland, Yeah,
at thirty eight. Then you got Joel Steed at sixty seven.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
He was I mean that's three big hits.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Charles Davenport and not so much Alan Hallard, not so much,
Russ Campbell, Scottie Graham in the seventh round. But then
the eighth round, which doesn't even exist anymore, you got
Darren Perry.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Wow, okay it starter, big time starting.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Yeah, and then in the eleventh round, Wow, Kendall Gammon
long snapper, long start, the first long snapper in Steelers history.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
But she didn't know that. Right before that their money,
like the centers did the line did it?
Speaker 3 (34:10):
And yeah, kind of loop on back and right. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Wow, I think that's a good start to that draft. Wow,
go to that eighty seven draft. That would be in
the consideration. Rob Woodson, No, that's pretty nigh start. Delton Hall, okay,
and that that's when they went d bat crazy, right,
Charles Lockett not so much. Thomas Everett was a really
good player. Yeah, Hardy Nickerson.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
Also really good player. That's three of I mean Hall
was a starter. That's four defensive starters in the Hall
of Famer.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Tim Johnson in round six he played at Jim Johnson
played one hundred and forty six career games. They weren't
all for the Steelers, but he played one hundred and
forty six career games most time.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Also in the sixth round, Greg Lloyd, Wow, that's one
of the best drafts they've ever had. Yeah, I'm just
looking at the whole defense. And in the tenth round
they took some guy named Merril Hodge. Oh wow, that's
a pretty strong draft. That's that's how you number two.
That's how you turn your team around from I mean
they were bad in the mid eighties.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Yeah, yeah, bad, and four defensive starters around them.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
By the way, somebody asked yesterday on on our Questions
if they'd ever drafted to had two first round draft picks. Yes,
the other player was forgettable because it was Tim Worley
seven one, and that was a great draft.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
That was eightman Mandridge Dion.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
They took Whorley seven Rickets, Ricketts twenty fourth, Carnal Lake
thirty fourth. So they had three. They had three of
the top thirty four picks, and the only guy that
was a star was Cardinal Lake. Uh. Then they filed
who else in that draft? They got Gerald Williams jeral
Is Bill Tomlin or Bill Tomlin, Bill Cower always just
(35:52):
to call him Gerald with a J because you had
the difference. Yea Gerld Williams as well with a D tackle.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
You also got DJ Johnson, the cornerback out of that one.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Okay, that's not bad.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
He was a seventh round pick, and then in the
tenth round Jerry Olsavski.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Yeah, okay, so I get kick out of these eighth
rounds and later dudes. Yeah, those guys are undrafted free
agents now yeah, yeah, but there's a few of them
that were very worth more than a few. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
You could you could dig through this and find all
kinds of guys who got drafted in the eighth round or.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
Later than most thing, And what if we were on
the air in the tenth.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
I mean I covered drafts. My first full draft was
in ninety three, and there were at least eight rounds
if I remember correct. Well, let me see here. Yeah,
that eighty three draft or ninety three drafts I should
say was at least eight rounds deep. Yeah, because Alex
van Pelt was the eighth round draft pick. The year
before that was twelve and they'd cut it back to eight.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
Wow, okay, but like Van Pelt's a good pick. Yeah,
I mean it's get backup quarterback. The eighth round did
last forever? Yeah, that's not bad. Yeah, interesting now, but
I urge people, just if you look at draft classes,
be excited about this one, be excited about last one.
But there's a lot of those names are pretty forgettable.
It's hard to stick.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
If they last. So the average NFL career is two years.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Yeah, yeah, two.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
If you get four years out of a draft pick,
you've beat the odds.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Yeah. Really, I mean, in like today's NFL, the way
it's structured, if it's a fourth round picker later and
you get all four years out of them, and then
they go on their merry way.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
And maybe you get Dan. That's why Dan Moore was
not only a good pick. Dan Moore is a home run.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Well, he yielded you something they got.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
They got four years out of him as a starter,
and he's gonna net them a third round compensatory pick.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Kelvin Beacham was a home run in the seventh round
because not only did you get the starting out of him,
he he netted you a third round draft pick that
you turned into James Connor.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Those are home runs. Those aren't even like doubles off
the fence, russ or home runs.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
Those are when you're shortstop. It doesn't have any power. Yeah,
it's one out of the building.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Yeah right, that's Bill Mazerowski winning the World Series for.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
It, right, your eighth hitter that you're catcher that can't
hit a lick.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Yeah, you're late hitting second basement, second basement, and wins
the World Series for you with the home run. Yeah,
against the Angus.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
It is right, that's a gift that keeps on giving, right.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Yeah, anyways, just an interesting look at the look back there.
Let's get to a break. He is the Matt Williamson.
I'm Dale Lolly. We'll be back with more right after this.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
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Speaker 2 (38:46):
And we are back. I'm Dale Lolly. He is the
Matt Williamson and Matt on the NFL dot com. And
we've talked about this a lot. We talked about it
a lot leading up to the draft. Lands zeer Line
put together a piece here talking about the compensatory selections
for next year. Oh kind of laid it at There's
only two teams right now slated to get four picks.
(39:10):
Are the Niners the other No, the Ravens. They're always
in the mix. But here's the thing. All compensatory picks
are not equal.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
No, I don't say so.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
The Steelers, as we know, are going to get are
in line to get four compensatory picks next year, one
and the third one, and the fourth one, and the
fifth and one and the sixth.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
Yes, and correct me if I'm wrong. If Wilson or
Fields could turn into it, they.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Could go well, I don't know I don't know if
Wilson can turn into a third, because right now he's
a five. He might be able to bump to a
four based on playing time in the production, if he
makes a Pro Bowl again, stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
But the Ravens, you should have three, four, five and six. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
The Ravens right now also slated to get four, which
in theory sounds great. Yeah, but two are in the
fifth and two in the seventh. I think they had
five six round picks this year. Yeah, yeah, which is great.
I mean against one, but it's not the same as
the third. It's not the same. They both have four
compensatory picks, but one has a third and a fourth
(40:13):
the other one has two fifths.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, No, there's there's an arc to it.
And yes, it's great that the Steelers are really dipping
their toe in this.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
The Jets are projected to have three, one in round four,
two and round seven. That doesn't do you much. No,
the Eagles, like the Steelers, they have three one and
the third one and the fourth one and the fifth.
That's soon, right, Milton Williams, Yeah, Milton Williams, Josh Wet,
Makai Beckton, Isaiah Rodgers, all left and they were The
only guy they added was Azizo Julari.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
The forty nine ers, they lost a lot. They only
got three compics out of it, two in the fourth
and one in the fifth.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
Okay, so wet walked out the door though.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Yeah. Teams with two picks the Broncos, but they're both
in round seven.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
Yeah, they're nice flyers, but you might be able to You.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Can't even like swap those now for Hey, we need
a veteran tight end. Right, you don't have them yet.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
You can't even use them for that sea right right,
the guy that's a big cap.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
The Lions have two, one in round three, Carlton Davis
and Kevin Zeitler. One in round seven.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
Wow. Okay.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
The Colts have two, both in round seven. Yuck. The
Vikings have two, one in round three, one in round five.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
O god, that's nice. Yeah, I mean they have not.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
That might be why they just looked at and said,
you know what, we're not gonna make a huge move,
make a huge move to get a bunch of picks
this year, because we know we're going to get a
bunch of premium picks next year.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
They've been really light on Day two picks.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
Last few drafts, teams projected to get one compensatory pick.
The Bears in round seven, it's a little something, the
Bengals in round seven, Cowboys in round five, bad, the
Chiefs round seven. The Raiders are going to get one
(42:07):
in round four.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
That that it's not even many round three picks going.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
No, the Rams are going to get an extra seventh
round pick. The Saints are going to get an extra
fourth round pick.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
That's big for them.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
That's it, right.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
So I think if you look at this, and I
don't care whether you're a Steeler fan or however you
want to look at it, the Steelers are coming out
of this with the most by.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
Far, and more than like half the league combined.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
Yeah, there's a lot of teams, have any I think
the only team that's even close to them, maybe he's
the forty nine Ers who have two in the fourth
and one in the fifth.
Speaker 3 (42:38):
Yeah, I say they've lost a lot, Okay, and maybe
in terms of.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
The Eagles have value, the Eagles have a three to
four and a five.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
That's nice.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
Yeah, nice. So really it's still the top three the Steelers, Eagles,
and forty nine Ers.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
Like you much have a three, four and five then
all the Ravens picks. Yeah, of course. Wow. So and
again I do think there's a chance with the quarter
since their quarterbacks, they could play a lot of snaps
and bump up.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
Yeah. I again, Russell Wilson made the Pro Bowl this year. Yeah, no,
it was an alternate, but he if you extrap.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
White understand the compic formula.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
If you extrapolated Russell Wilson's season over the course of
a seventeen games seasons, he would have had twenty five
touchdown passes and eight interceptions.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
Yeah. Would we take that next year from the Steelers
quarterback room, Yeah, yeah, you definitely would, right, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
So anyways, I just thought that was interesting and Lance
put it all, laid it all out there.
Speaker 3 (43:31):
No Steelers are loaded with that.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
They are, We've we talked about it.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
Are they short eddy of their own? No? Or do
they have anyone's extras? No, okay, they have.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
They have all their picks line eleven picks those in
additional four okay, that are subject to change, but you're
going to get four. Yeah, right, So it's not a
bad spot to be in.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
It's a great spot for you. Yeah. So again, you
could trade a lot of your high stuff and then
just move around two thirds up to the second or whatever.
I mean. It gives me a lot of options.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
You know what that was, Matt, That was part of
the play. The plan, right, the plan that everybody said,
not everybody, but a lot of people said they didn't
have no plan, no plan, right, just feeling their way
through this.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
Letting Dan Moore go after four years of service part
of the plan. That was part of the plan, you know, right,
right right? Yeah, when you trade it or acquired both
those quarterbacks, you probably thought, well, one of them probably
won't be here, but.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
If yeah, one of them will get something back.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
For hopefully one's the best player in the planet. Yeah,
didn't work out that way, but now it didn't hurt yet.
You get two picks for him, and you get picks, right.
Part of the plan, Part of the plan. Plans next
year's Moxs are gonna be fun. That's often more than
what we have when we start this show. We rarely
have a plan today.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
Yeah, somehow we still find a way to get through it,
I hope in an interesting fashion.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
Yeah. Yeah, and again, if there's anyone that wants us
to have a new topic or whatever, throw it out anyways.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Welcome back to the Drive. I'm Dale LOLLI he is
the Matt Williamson and Matt jumping into the little fantasy
football here.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Yeah, start host draft right.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Matthew Berry has put together his list of players he
likes and doesn't like coming out of the draft because
of the way things change for them. Yeah yeah, not
just the rookies, but some of the veterans as well,
and so quarterbacks, let's jump into that quarterbacks he loves.
Post draft, he has Caleb Williams on this list.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Number one went pretty well for him. I mean you
got two big time receiving prospects. Yeah, and the interior
lines looks like it's there are no more excuses for
Caleb Boyams.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Oh no, No, I still have very much any questions
about Caleb Boyas I do too.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
I do too. But for fantasy only? Could is he
his top twelve? M No, I don't know what. The
run off doesn't run as much you think. I bet
I could have come up with Mortan like would rather
have Trevor Lawrence. No, no, but I mean there's probably
ten easy.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Yeah, but he did well. He did well.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
I mean it's fantasy stock.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
I'd rather have Jordan Love than Caleb Williams.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
That's a good example.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Baker Baker. Yeah, who's next on this list? Baker May.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
I guess he would be a nice receivers. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Yeah. Other guys that he has on his list, those
are the two guys that he loves. Others that he
has on the list Justin Fields because they didn't Yeah,
they they didn't draft another quarterback. So he's going to
be the starter all season.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Yeah. And I think one thing that's forgotten about Fields
is their new head coach had to defend against Fields
in the NFC North. Yeah. Those he can be paying
the butt.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
You know, he has Justin Herbert on this list. And
I actually look thought more. I look at this the
other way because you say, what they added three pass
catchers in a draft. Yeah, but it was Trey Harris
KeAndre Lambert Smith and Rondez Gadson, none of whom were
premium picks.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Right, thought, maybe they especially the off season as a whole, and.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
They he added a couple of running backs in the
off season. You're going to run the ball.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
More right, his passing numbers might not go off.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
It's not Yeah, he's not going to be a high
volume passer. I'm not.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
I don't want to touch Justin Herbert and Fantasy next year.
I mean he's a much he's a much better player
than fantasy player. But his tuck didn't go up.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
No, it couldn't.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
You're taking Catle Williams over him and face I would, Yeah, Yeah,
I agree.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Trevor Lawrence is a question there, like Justin Herbert or
Trevor Lawrence. Yeah, that's a legit argument there. QB two's
Drake may Oh buy that Trevy? They added Trevon Henderson
and Kyle Williams.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Is that enough to I'm kind of including Digs in
that too, I guess kind of a recent one though.
I heard today that he's been running and it's looking good.
How much I believe it, But yeah, it's got better
for him. Henderson's helpful. Bryce Young in Carolina. Yeah, I
mean you got a number one receiver. I don't think
he's a true NFL number one, but it helped his cause.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Yeah, and the last guy is well, like I might take.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
May over all these guys we've talked about.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
He runs Tyler shuck.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Yeah, I mean yeah, I mean, I don't think anybody
expected him to be fantasy relevant, and maybe he is.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Quarterbacks he hates post draft Dak Prescott.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Yeah, you got a guard, not much else.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
It's still Ceedee Lamb, Jalen Tolbert, Cavante, Turpin Mingo.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
They traded for.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Yeah, that receiver group's bad. It's tight.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
I mean Dak didn't get any favors.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
No, no, well, I mean you're paying him a bunch
of money. He's supposed to be the guy that elevates.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Where you're at on him in fantasy.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
I would take him head of Caleb Williams.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
I was, let's ask you versus Baker.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
I might rather Baker.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
They got rather Baker throws touchdowns. Yeah, yeah, and he
runs more than Dak.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Yeah, Shudoor Sanders.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
The guys went backwards.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
I guess maybe he had a going into the draft.
Maybe people thought he'd be an opening day starter.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
And somebody on our message board on yesterday's show said
something I proposed to the point that, you know, why
do you not like the Browns draft when they got
the guy in the fifth, fifth round that everybody said
they were going to be taking at the second overall pick.
I'm like, well, by the time the draft rolled around,
nobody had them taking Shoot or Sanders in the second pick.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
I really dis liked their draft. They didn't taken alignment. Yeah,
I mean, Sanders made my favorite pick they made.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
I mean the value was great, but yeah, he'd already
taken another quarterback.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
But there's something going on there. Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Running backs that he loves post draft, Ashton Genty, well,
I imagine he probably liked him, probably too.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Yeah, Carrol's got a pretty good reputation if he does
guy though, and then the old line's okay.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
The next one's a little questionable, and not because of
where he landed at, because of the situation Amari and Hampton.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Oh you much rather he landed in like Chicago, yeah,
or Denver? Right, great spot?
Speaker 2 (05:29):
No, I mean he's they they gave Nause Harris some money.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Yeah, yeah, and he seems like a good fit for him.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
And we didn't love Hampton for Rookie of the Year.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
So let's say it's a sixty forty split in Hampton's
favor in Hampton's favor, that still doesn't make him a
great fantasy running back next year.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
No, I don't know if he's a top twenty four. Yeah,
I mean he's definitely not a top twelve, and.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
I'll take my chances. Nause might be the third down
back too. He's going he's a better he's a better
pass blocker than go attaction.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Yeah, at least right this minute. I'm sure Hampton could
take things over the last He might win your playoffs
for you. Maybe a takeover. Yeah, you know, but I
have a hard time drafting them high.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Quinn Shad Jenkins, Yeah, I mean I.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Guess he goes up because he's clearly the one. Samson's
not a real threat. Yeah, but I think the offense
is bad bad. I don't love him. Where he landed
r J.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Harvey that should work out, yeah, really well for him.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Yeah, I don't even know if you have to like
him as a player. I mean, it's just a good situation.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
I mean, Julia McLaughlin's probably still the third down back
as Rodrick guest amasi at the other guy and Tyler Baddie.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
I mean those aren't much the kind of competition ye
in battle. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Caleb Johnson with the Steelers.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Agreed Yeah, we talked about that in the Rookie of
the Year stuff. It's a real good landing spot for him.
Scheme two.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
His others receiving votes were Chase Brown with the Bengals.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Yeah, Todds Brooks isn't a bad player, but that's they
thought they might get more competition.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Yeah, Isaiah Pacheco.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
They didn't do much.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
They didn't really. They added another seventh round back and.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
They drafted a alignment at all.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
It's Bershard Smith. He's not in every down back.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
No, now that works off well for pachecka. I'm a
little shocked in a running back heavy draft they didn't
do a little more.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Than they thought.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah, uh, Javonte Williams. I guess he's the one. It
sure looks like it. I mean again, Jayden Blue is
not in every down back and was a seventh round
draft pick.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Miles Anders is hard to trust too, right, Yeah, Yeah,
I guess it's Williams. Jordan James, Yes, I think we're
talking about him today. I eventually we did the NMFC
West show. I think he's the two. I think he's
the handcuff. Yeah, McCaffrey, who do you trust?
Speaker 2 (07:53):
McCaffrey you know, and they're not gonna have McCaffrey and
they're closing out games.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
No, I keep bumping Jordan James up my Dynasty rookie stuff.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Yeah, he's gonna play Devin Neil not bad.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Maybe Kamara to kind of get out of the way, but.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
It just might be a bad offense. Yeah, So I
don't I.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Don't know what to deal with Kendrey Miller is. People
don't seem to like him. Yeah, in the building, right,
it's a new new group, new group, and yeah, you
just don't know. It's not a bad spot for Neil though.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Running backs, he hates Ramandrie Stevenson.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Yeah that was a shot. Yeah, that hurt. That definitely hurt.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
He hates Nagie Harris. He went backwards, yeah much rather again,
he went from maybe you're getting seventy percent of this
the carries to maybe again, maybe forty.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Much rather they took Loveland or a receiver or Golden
you know.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Jalen Warren.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Yeah, but I don't think anyone thought he was going
to be a bell cow.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Jalen Warren's role is not going to change right at all? Right, right,
I In fact, he might get a little bit more
than last year than last year. I remember he was,
but it was it was pretty much a fifty to
fifty split between him and not years.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Yeah, I don't think he went backwards.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
No, I think he's the same. Yeah, I don't know
if I would hate him. He's a flex right, Yeah,
you know that's what he is. If he's a flex
tyrone Tracy, he went backwards?
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Who did they take again? To him? Was?
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Okay, scatterbo Maybe that's a goal line guy. You might
lose your goal line carries and he's not. They still
have Devin Singletary hands right too.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Right. Tracy's a nice story, but he's not infallible.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Yeah, he did fumble a couple of times down the stretch. Yeah, yeah,
Travis at n Yes, maybe he.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Ends up in Dallas. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
I think they took two. They took bay Shell, Tuton
and LeQuinn Allen.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Oh yeah, and Tank was already still there.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Bigsby was already there past catchers. He loves post draft,
Travis Hunter.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
That's a good spot. I mean, somebody you didn't want
to be a corner, now, you know, I mean someone
traded up to make you mostly a receiver. New England
and Jacksonville are the teams you wanted?
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yeah, right, if you had a fantasy purposes Tederoe McMillan.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Yeah, I mean somebody loved you. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Calvin Ridley, I agree, I agree. I mean they didn't
go out and add anything of that.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
They get some mid round guys that are kind of
interesting and Locket they added right for the draft. But
Ridley's gonna leave that team receptions. Yeah, and he probably
got a quarterback upgrade.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Yeah. Jerry Judy in Cleveland, I'm.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Not sure I'm there yet, but he has gotten a
lot better.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Well, here's the thing. If they would have they would
added Hunter that it would have been a much better
situation for Hunter than Jacksonville, right, and it would have
killed Judy.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
It really hurt Judy.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
I think the key to him, though, is he wants
Flacco to be the quarterback. I think so Lacos like Winston,
he's good for receivers and right now it's it's Cedric Gone,
Cedric Tillman, Deontay Johnson, Michael Woods and Jamari Thrash. He's
the one.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
I like he's getting the targets.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
I mean, Judy had a really good year. Yeah, but
I didn't see that coming.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
I mean, he got one hundred and forty five targets
last year, which was seventh among wide receivers. Like for
fantasy changing.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Would you take Judy compared to the Steelers receivers.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
I get one hundred and forty five targets. That's a
ton of targets. Like there's nobody else in town to
share them with.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Right, I think they'ren'll be losing a lot too. Yeah,
he's probably wide.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Receiver necessarily love the player, but right, forty five targets,
one hundred and forty five targets.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Coach esaff likes them.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Colston loved them with Chicago.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Rookie tight ends all of a sudden, making him one
of my making him.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
As saying, way, Ben Johnson's there, the new coach, and
the Lions racked eighth and fantasy tight end points in
his time.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
More of it. That's a thing though. Yeah, other guys
that he likes, Jack Beck. Okay, I actually was thinking
about this too. I think Myers is a winner. Myers
because he's a number one right, number one a lot
of number one wide receive right. Right, Myers had a
(12:04):
much better Fantasy year than people realize if Jack Bash
is his biggest you know, new competition.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Right, he's sitting pretty Jack Beck and Trey Tucker.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Yeah that's not bad.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Uh hm hm.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Quentin Johnston, I guess they thought they could have got
more competition. Yeah, Mike Williams doesn't look too scary Johnston.
I know, k Yere Yeah, he's not for me.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Kyle Williams, Yeah that's goods.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
But I think he could start opposite Diggs.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Jalen Tolbert.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
I guess he's the two.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
I mean, he used the second round draft pick on
him two years ago. Like he's gonna be He's gonna
have to be the number two.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
I mentioned Mingo before they gave up a fourth for
him after a bad rookie year, which might just be
a terrible trade. Yeah, they have some plan there.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Uh. Pat Bryant, I don't see it.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
No, I like what then Ver did? All in all,
but people are talking about Pat Bryant like he's oh
they found there. Michael Thomas, I'm like, let's go because Peyton,
you know, yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Peyton compared him to oh did he actually sad compared him?
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Come on man, yeah, that's pretty lofty. I mean Michael
Thomas like led the league in receptions like.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Two or three times.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Jylen Royals not bad, but it doesn't Racy Race is
going to move by the way and they back and
they compared him to Woods there. It's crowded.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
It is crowded. Kelsey's still looming.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Mason Taylor not bad.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
I mean I doubt he'll be their number two receiver,
but it's possible.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Finished with fifty catches, yeah, yeah. Uh. Terrence Ferguson, I
guess kind of by default. Yeah, past catchers. He hates
post draft DJ Moore.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Yeah, there was a lot of effort stuff people didn't
like last year and body language and things like that. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Chris Godwin and Jaylen McMillan in Tampa Bay. Not Evans though,
No Evans is going to be Evans. Yeah, although at
some point was he thirty two now? Yeah, But I
mean Godwin was like a top five guy when he
was getting peppered with targets.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Yeah, he was.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
He was a fantasy winner until he got hurt.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
If he's real cheap this year, I think I'd roll
the dice on him, especially we see a little bit
in the preseason. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Jaden Reid with Green Bay, I don't think he goes away.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
No, I think he's better than Dubs and Watson's out
of the mix. I think it's reading the first round
golden Golden, Yeah, I think he'll be on the field
a lot.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Yeah, just figuring out which one's going to be again,
it's typical Green baypron which one's going to be the
number one?
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Like it's not as crowded as like Kansas City though, No, you.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Know, not nearly, especially, you know, with Watson out of
the equation, right, right, tank Dell and Houston well, obviously
I don't know if he's he might never play again, right,
But they took Jayden, Higgins and Jalen and already had
Kirk Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
And let alone Nico. I mean Dell's out of the picture.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Tyler Warren in Indianapolis, I don't think that's a great
landing spot.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Terrible landing spot.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
They got a lot of receivers, a lot of receivers
and really inaccurate quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Yeah, I bet They're run percentage is really hot.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
I would have felt better if Loveland had gone to Indianapolis,
just because he's a better he's better at adjusting to
bad balls.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
He did a lot of it. In Michigan. Yeah, bad quarterback.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
I'm not saying Warren can't do it right, right right,
He didn't have to do it like Loveland did.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Was not McCarthy throwing to him. Yeah, that's a terrible
spot for him.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yeah, I mean, what's he finished with this year? Forty catches?
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Probably a lot of short manufactured easy layups too.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
I don't even trust I don't trust Anthony Richardson to
complete the short passes on a consistent basis.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
All these rookie tight ends don't do it for me
for fantasy this year.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
It's tough. Yeah, it's very tough. But that was Matthew
Berry's love hate. Okay, post draft, some interesting names on there.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
I was just thinking from a Steeler perspective. Nothing really
changed that much, you know. I know Warren made his list,
but we didn't think he really should. Yeah, John John
made the list in a good way, which I agree
should have that he could have went somewhere it was
way more crowded like Hampton did. Yeah, but don't know.
I mean, is Rogers fantasy worthy if he's the guy,
(16:29):
he doesn't run him out of one hundred rushing yards
this year? Yeah, I mean i'd take him over like
Wilson from last year, but it'd be kind of in
that neighborhood. Fantasy wise, they're gonna run.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
The ball a lot.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Yeah, you know, yeah, for sure. Let's get through a break.
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Speaker 1 (17:07):
This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson
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Speaker 2 (17:30):
Welcome back on Dale Lolly. He is the Matt Williamson,
and this is the Drive on the Steelers Audio Network
and the Matt we mentioned in the first hour. We
go back and look at some of the Steeler drafts.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Yeah, over the.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Last well, everybody's everybody knows the nineteen seventy four draft
the best in Steelers history. It's the best in NFL
history period, end of discussion. Nobody's especially they're Donnie Shell
in the mix too. Yeah, undrafted, nobody's c Yeah. But
(18:06):
you start to look at like a lot of people
look at the draft and say, well, you don't have
any of these guys on your team anymore, So the
draft can't They couldn't have been a good one.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Oh, we had some good examples of like Holland and
guys like that that were really good picks that were
too expensive. Williams.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
So, for example, when people go back and look at,
say the twenty sixteen draft, which was for the Steelers,
Artie Burns, Sean Davis, Javon Hargrave, Gerald Hawkins, Travis Foeney,
DeMarcus Ayres, Tyler, Metakevitch, so.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
I was that draft was terrible. It was a bust
of a draft. A Artie Burns is still in the league, right,
You're not thrilled you took him in the first round, No,
of course, but he's still in the league.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Javon Hargrave got money, and if Steph, here's the thing
with Javon Hargrave. That's the best pick of the draft.
If they hadn't paid stuff onto it, he might still
the year before that they could have paid Juwon Hargrave.
Not knowing that stuff onto it wasn't gonna last.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Yeah, that doesn't make Jevon Hargrave a bad pick.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
That's not e were close to a bad pick. That's
a great pick.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
That's a great pick.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
That's a third round guy that's turned into almost pro
bowl or kind of pro bowler type. I would argue,
I know this is kind of getting nerdy, but for
Matta Kaevich in the seventh round, you accomplished exactly what
you wanted that I mean, I'm looking at their careers. Yeah,
and not that doesn't mean you have to be a
Steeler for life. No, And I think sometimes people get
caught up in that part of it exactly. For example,
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the twenty seventeen draft, I don't care how you look
at it, was a great draft for the Steelers.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
You got t J.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Watt, But that's that in itself is a great draft.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Juju Smith Schuster in the second round you got a
lot out of Juju. Cameron Sutton in a third round
you got a lot out of Sutton. James Connor in
the third round is a compensatory pick. Josh Dobbs in
the fourth round, that's a hit, that's a fantastic You
got five guys who eight years later are still in
the NFL.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
That, I don't care, one of the best players in
the league.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
I don't care where they're playing at.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Right, right, right. They were good draft payers, good draft picks.
We picked the right people. Yeah, I think that's the
way you have to look at it. We've had this,
not argument, but conversation a lot lately. Dobbs in the
fifth round is a good pick. If Howard has a
Dobbs career, that's a good pick. Yeah. I mean, he lasted,
He played meaningful snaps. He was useful on and off
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the field to other quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Twenty eighteen was Terrell Edmonds in the first round, James
Washington in the second, Mason Rudolph and Chooks a CORPS
four in the third, Marcus Allen Jalen Samuels in the
fifth round, Josh Fraser defensive tackle in the seventh round. Again,
not a great draft.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
And looked better early and didn't age well.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Yeah, I mean James James Washington was a I'd say
he wasn't horrible. He led your team in receiving yards
in twenty nineteen when you had nothing. Yeah, yeah, you know,
Edmonds was a was a four year starter for You's
still in the league.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Yeah, it's not a worthless draft. No, Rudolph is aging
the best of course. Yeah, Chuker was the starting tackle.
He's sort of in the Dan Moore conversation we had earlier.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Yeah, I mean, he's played seventy eight career games. The
only the only guy in that draft class who had
who's played more is Torell Edmands, who's played one hundred
and one career games.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
There's a durability thing with him too. Yeah. Yeah, not
the greatest, but not the greatest. But brendis again, if
you get three starters out of a draft, you're really happy.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Twenty nineteen was the Devin Bush trade up out. Yeah,
and nobody was panning them trading up for Devin Bush
at that time.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
No, do you think his injury was the biggest thing
that derailed his career?
Speaker 2 (21:50):
I think so.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
But Deontay Johnson in the third round.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
That's a home run.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
That's a home run.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
I guess they'd have a two.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
They didn't have a two because yeah, Justin lane In
also in round three. I mean he lasted a little
Benny Snell in round four.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
That's not bad either.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
That that's a round four running back.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Yeah you got, you got almost also a core special
team it was a.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Get almost a thousand yards out of him in his career.
Zach Gentry, And that's not terrible either.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
I mean he was a contributor.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Sutton Smith in the in round six that didn't work out.
Us Isaiah Bugs in round six as well. Is still
he's still in the league. Uh Ulysses Gilbert in another
sixth round pick, and Derwin Gray in the seventh round pound.
Now a lot of those guys were fifth round and lower.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Yeah, yeah, I know it's asking a lot. But one
thing you'd love to see that hasn't really happened in
that era is the sixth round. That's a real hit.
You know, I don't think be t J. Watt, but
I mean, like every downstarter.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
The next year. Now, remember they had traded their first
round draft pick, oh right, okay from micka Fitzpatrick. Yeh,
Chase Claypool in the second round.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
You can't figure if that's a good pick or not.
Because there was some good stuff early. You end up
gett turned him into Joey Porter.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
He had one hundred in his career. He has one
hundred and seventy five catches for twenty two hundred yards
and thirteen touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
I mean his career really tallied off, but it was
after you got rid of him, right, you know. I
mean I'm not sure if it has a good or
bad pick for the stealer. You get Alex high Smith
in round three, Yeah, that's that's a home run. It's
a big time hit. Yeah. Uh.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Anthony McFarlane frankly like if.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
The Niners taking Mike kel Williams at ten turns into
Alex high Smith, they're happy. Noh yeah, I mean that's
any of these a rushers.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Anthony Mofarland in round four, Not so much, right, Kevin
Dotson in round four.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
His best was elsewhere. But that's still a nice pick.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Yeah, Antoine Brooks in the round six and Carls Carlos
Davis in round seven. Carlos Davis might still be in
the league. He's kicked around a little bit in twin
I get confused. Twenty twenty one, we went over that
draft earlier. Naujia Harris, Pat Frarm with Kevin green More,
Isaiah louder Milk. Those guys are all still in the league. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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And Isaiah louder Milk is the perfect example of the
people will you didn't give him a second contract? Well,
they did give Isaiah louder Milk a second contract. That
doesn't mean it's a hit.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Right, right, right, right. I mean they kind of brought
him back and he might not make the team.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
But I'll make the team. But you know it goes
against well, if you don't give the guy the second contract,
then he couldn't have been a hit.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Now, he can't argue both sides of that. No, there's
too many circumstances there. That's not a good Dan Moore
was a hit. He's not in Pittsburgh anymore, right, right,
But he was a hit more so than Isaiah louder Milk.
He's very wealthy too.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Yeah, right, twenty twenty two, All those guys are still
in the league right now. Kenny pick Att, George Pickens
to Marvin Leal, Calvin Austin Connor, Heyward Mark Robinson, Chris A. Lodacon.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Okay, you want more out of your first of course,
but quarterbacks have a high bus, right.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Yeah, looking back at some of these other dress people
want to look how how far back do you look
at a draft before? When you say, uh, for example,
when Mason Rudolph and Trell Evans left in the officer Mason,
Torell Evans, Mason Rudolph, and Chucks the corps for are
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all left last offseason?
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Yeah, Well the Steelers don't have anybody left from their
twenty eighteen draft. This is in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Yeah yeah, like right right.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Six years in the NFL is a long.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
As a long time, not for long, yeah, I mean,
I mean NFL stands for not for long. Yeah, that
does bother me sometimes, Like, man, they don't have anyone
from their twenty fifteen draft class or four. I mean,
like that's a long time ago. I mean how many
teams have think about this? So the twenty fifteen draft
was Bud Dupree, who's still in the league. Yeah, yeah,
san Quiz Golson. The other thing we have to know
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is these aren't top ten picks by the way, right.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Ever, ever, Sammy Coates, Duran Grant, Jesse, James lt, Walton
Anthony Chickelow, Gerrod Hollman.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
I don't know if that was a bad draft or
not for the Steelers. You know, like Jesse James was
a valuable player. Losing san Quiz Golson hurt. I didn't
say that was unforeseen.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Yeah, back to back injuries and just didn't never nothing.
But you got bud Dupree Adam and your franchise tag him.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Yeah he started slow, but you didn't need him to
be a superstar immediately either.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
The twenty fourteen draft was Ryan Shazier and steff On
to It in the first two rounds. Those were both
home runs.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
And just imagine, Yeah, I mean what could have kept
going on with both?
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Then you got Dree Archer and the third. But you
took Martavis Bryan in the fourth. Right, that was a
home run.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
That's a home run. I mean you got a real
impact player in the mid rounds. Yeah, that's a really
good draft. Archer was just a flat a mistake.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Yeah. Yeah. Twenty thirteen, they took Jarvis Jones in the
first round. That's a miss. But then you got leve
On Bell in the second.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
I was back in the league for a while.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
That was a absolute home run.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Absolute home run. It might even make up for.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Jones Marcus Wheaton in the third. He was a seventy
ninth pick. Those third round wide receivers. Once you get
that low, we kind of talk about that.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
I wouldn't call him as though, I mean he played
a fair amount.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Yeah, Shamarco Thomas, Landry Jones in the fourth round.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Landry Jones is another example of the backup quarterback that
last is worth a sixth seventh round pick.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
You got Terry Hawthorne in the fifth, Justin Brown in
the sixth, Vince Williams in the sixth. That's the kind
of sixth round pick that.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Yeah, you get starter in the sixth round. That's that's living.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
And then the seventh round pick was Nick Williams, who
is still in the damn league?
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Is he really? Yeah? Wow? No, that's good stuff with
like the Vince Williams a perfect example. He doesn't have
to be Jack Lambert or Jack hamb but he's a
good player for you and plays a lot of snaps there.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
In twenty twelve, Kelvin Beacham was their seventh round draft pick.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
That's a home run.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
He was almost the last guy picked in that draft.
So two hundred and forty eighth and he is still playing.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
I won't know how many games he's played.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
He has played one hundred and seventy nine career games. Wow,
Like that was their David Di Castro draft with Mike
Adams in the second.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Adam was a mess.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
But yeah, Cam Hayward obviously in twenty eleven, still going hard.
But you got Marcus Gilbert in the second. It's a
good player.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Yeah, yeah, I mean that's a starting tackle. It's a
hard position to fine.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Yeah, and again you were picking thirty first that year,
so thirty first and sixty third.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
I think that again goes without saying that a lot
of these are late in the round.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
The twenty ten draft, you got Marquise Pouncey in the
first round, Jason Worlds in the second. And I know
people want to rip on Jason Worlds, but he led
the team in sacks in two different seasons.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Did he give the game up to just pursue other interests?
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (28:36):
He okay, yeah, yeah, I think he was religious and
did something with that. He did play football.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
He wasn't a bad player. He was blocked for two
years by James Harrison and Lamar Woodley.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Right, like people.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
I remember people ripping on I can't believe it took him, Like,
where's he supposed to start at? Yeah, yeah, don't blame
the player.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Right right, that's not necessarily a bad pick.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Now, Emmanuel Sanders in a third, that's a home That
was the eighty second pick in that draft.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Then, oh, by the way, they got some guy named
Antonio Brown in the sixth.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Yeah, now that's where you're really talking.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
I mean, you could make the argument that's one of
the better drafts in team.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
History, probably team history. Right.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Cam Hayward may be in the same draft, Marquise Pouncey
is a borderline without faunt. Yeah, the draft and you
got you might have two Hall of famers in that
same draft.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Yeah, that's pretty strong.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
That's pretty damn strong.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
I wonder how often that's happened in NFL history. We
opened with the Steelers having several in one draft. Yeah,
how many drafts had two Hall of famers in the.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Same Going back here, I'm just I want to look
here the Roethlisberger draft, when you all you got, you
got Ralph Roethlisberger, Ricardo Cokeley in the second, Max Stark's
in the third. That's a hit that's a hit. Pick
seventy five, Max, There you go, Max. Uh. The uh
Paulamalo draft traded up for Troy Polamalo took Alonzo Jackson
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in the second round.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Yeah, we're throwing some Hall of Fame name in a
round though, too.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
But you got Ike Taylor in the in the fourth.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Oh, that'd be great.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
You got two starting defensive backs and one of them
is in the Pro Football Hall of Fame in the
same draft.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
If you get like Taylor in the fourth round next year,
you're loving it. Oh.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Absolutely. The two thousand and two draft Kendall Simmons and
that was really late, right, wasn't he the thirtieth Yeah,
Antoine Randall at sixty two.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Simmons was a really good starter.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Chris Hope at ninety four, he was a starter, right
a long time. Ye started the suit for a Super Bowl.
Larry Foot in the fourth round, also a starter, now
one hundred he played the most games out of all
those guys, one hundred and eighty seven. Really, you also
got varn Haynes, who was around type.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
And oh, by the way, you got Brett Keesl in
the seventh Oh wow, I mean that's living large too. Yeah,
those late hits, and they had four guys in that
draft that played it one hundred and forty three games
or more. We mentioned, you know, two starters is great,
three starters is really great. You got five he got
in that one, right.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
That's that's how you changed things around the two thousand
and one draft again another Casey Hampton, Kendrow.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Bell boom boom, boom boom, and immediately changed the defense. Right.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Yeah. Then you also got guys like CHUCKI Yakobe played
seventy eight career games, Rodney Bailey who played eighty four.
Roger Knight stuck around the league for a while. He
was a sixth round pick. Didn't stick here, but he played,
I think for the Saints for a long time. That
two thousand draft. Plexico Buris, that's a hit. Marvel Smith,
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that's definitely the second round. Kendrick Clancy in the third.
He's a quality player, right, Hank Potite in the third.
He played one hundred and ten career games. Clark Hagen's
played the most games at of all. He was a
fifth round pick, one hundred and seventy two career games. Wow,
forty six and a half career sacks.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
Yeah, that's wonderful. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
The ninety nine draft, Troy Edwards in the first round. Oh,
you had a terrible draft, Scott Shields in a second. Oh,
you must have had an awful draft. Joey Porter in
the third. Yeah, yeah, that worked out. Okay, Uh, you
got Aaron Smith in the fourth. Edwards was good the rookie, though,
I remember he led the team in receptions, kind.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Of by default. They need a receiver bad.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
But you got Joey Porter and Aaron Smith in the
third and fourth rounds. You got Jeremy Tooman in the fifth,
Chris Brown the kicker in the seventh round. At least
you hit on your kicker too. Yeah, but you get
Porter and again you got four guys in that draft
who played more than one hundred career games.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Porter and Smith are stalwart defensive. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Ninety eight draft, Alan Fanica huge, Jeremy Stott. Okay, that
didn't work out, Chris Conrad in the third, but then
he took kinz Ward.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Yeah. Then in the fourth round you took to Shaye Townsend.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Think about that. I mean they got Ward and Fanica
one year on offense and then Porter and Smith the
next year on defense. Like not only they good start.
I mean they're high, high end start.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Fifth round, they got Jason Simmons who played a long time,
Chris Fuamatu Maalafala in the sixth round.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
It was useful.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Those were useful guys.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Just looking.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Yeah, I don't know what I would rank again that.
So a couple of those earlier drafts that we just
talked about might be the ones that you look at
and say, that's.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
They're some of the best ones in Yeah, our history
for sure. This one was.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Ninety two Leon Searcy, high quality player, Levon Kirkland, Yeah,
at thirty eight. Then you got Joel Steed at sixty seven.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
He was I mean that's three big hits.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Charles Davenport and not so much Alan Hallard, not so much,
Russ Campbell, Scottie Graham in the seventh round. But then
the eighth round, which doesn't even exist anymore, you got
Darren Perry.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Wow, okay it starter, big time starting.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Yeah, and then in the eleventh round, Wow, Kendall Gammon
long snapper, long start, the first long snapper in Steelers history.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
But she didn't know that. Right before that their money,
like the centers did the line did it?
Speaker 3 (34:10):
And yeah, kind of loop on back and right. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Wow, I think that's a good start to that draft. Wow,
go to that eighty seven draft. That would be in
the consideration. Rob Woodson, No, that's pretty nigh start. Delton Hall, okay,
and that that's when they went d bat crazy, right,
Charles Lockett not so much. Thomas Everett was a really
good player. Yeah, Hardy Nickerson.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
Also really good player. That's three of I mean Hall
was a starter. That's four defensive starters in the Hall
of Famer.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Tim Johnson in round six he played at Jim Johnson
played one hundred and forty six career games. They weren't
all for the Steelers, but he played one hundred and
forty six career games most time.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Also in the sixth round, Greg Lloyd, Wow, that's one
of the best drafts they've ever had. Yeah, I'm just
looking at the whole defense. And in the tenth round
they took some guy named Merril Hodge. Oh wow, that's
a pretty strong draft. That's that's how you number two.
That's how you turn your team around from I mean
they were bad in the mid eighties.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Yeah, yeah, bad, and four defensive starters around them.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
By the way, somebody asked yesterday on on our Questions
if they'd ever drafted to had two first round draft picks. Yes,
the other player was forgettable because it was Tim Worley
seven one, and that was a great draft.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
That was eightman Mandridge Dion.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
They took Whorley seven Rickets, Ricketts twenty fourth, Carnal Lake
thirty fourth. So they had three. They had three of
the top thirty four picks, and the only guy that
was a star was Cardinal Lake. Uh. Then they filed
who else in that draft? They got Gerald Williams jeral
Is Bill Tomlin or Bill Tomlin, Bill Cower always just
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to call him Gerald with a J because you had
the difference. Yea Gerld Williams as well with a D tackle.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
You also got DJ Johnson, the cornerback out of that one.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Okay, that's not bad.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
He was a seventh round pick, and then in the
tenth round Jerry Olsavski.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Yeah, okay, so I get kick out of these eighth
rounds and later dudes. Yeah, those guys are undrafted free
agents now yeah, yeah, but there's a few of them
that were very worth more than a few. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
You could you could dig through this and find all
kinds of guys who got drafted in the eighth round or.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
Later than most thing, And what if we were on
the air in the tenth.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
I mean I covered drafts. My first full draft was
in ninety three, and there were at least eight rounds
if I remember correct. Well, let me see here. Yeah,
that eighty three draft or ninety three drafts I should
say was at least eight rounds deep. Yeah, because Alex
van Pelt was the eighth round draft pick. The year
before that was twelve and they'd cut it back to eight.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
Wow, okay, but like Van Pelt's a good pick. Yeah,
I mean it's get backup quarterback. The eighth round did
last forever? Yeah, that's not bad. Yeah, interesting now, but
I urge people, just if you look at draft classes,
be excited about this one, be excited about last one.
But there's a lot of those names are pretty forgettable.
It's hard to stick.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
If they last. So the average NFL career is two years.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Yeah, yeah, two.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
If you get four years out of a draft pick,
you've beat the odds.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Yeah. Really, I mean, in like today's NFL, the way
it's structured, if it's a fourth round picker later and
you get all four years out of them, and then
they go on their merry way.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
And maybe you get Dan. That's why Dan Moore was
not only a good pick. Dan Moore is a home run.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Well, he yielded you something they got.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
They got four years out of him as a starter,
and he's gonna net them a third round compensatory pick.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Kelvin Beacham was a home run in the seventh round
because not only did you get the starting out of him,
he he netted you a third round draft pick that
you turned into James Connor.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Those are home runs. Those aren't even like doubles off
the fence, russ or home runs.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
Those are when you're shortstop. It doesn't have any power. Yeah,
it's one out of the building.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Yeah right, that's Bill Mazerowski winning the World Series for.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
It, right, your eighth hitter that you're catcher that can't
hit a lick.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Yeah, you're late hitting second basement, second basement, and wins
the World Series for you with the home run. Yeah,
against the Angus.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
It is right, that's a gift that keeps on giving, right.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Yeah, anyways, just an interesting look at the look back there.
Let's get to a break. He is the Matt Williamson.
I'm Dale Lolly. We'll be back with more right after this.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
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Speaker 2 (38:46):
And we are back. I'm Dale Lolly. He is the
Matt Williamson and Matt on the NFL dot com. And
we've talked about this a lot. We talked about it
a lot leading up to the draft. Lands zeer Line
put together a piece here talking about the compensatory selections
for next year. Oh kind of laid it at There's
only two teams right now slated to get four picks.
(39:10):
Are the Niners the other No, the Ravens. They're always
in the mix. But here's the thing. All compensatory picks
are not equal.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
No, I don't say so.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
The Steelers, as we know, are going to get are
in line to get four compensatory picks next year, one
and the third one, and the fourth one, and the
fifth and one and the sixth.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
Yes, and correct me if I'm wrong. If Wilson or
Fields could turn into it, they.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Could go well, I don't know I don't know if
Wilson can turn into a third, because right now he's
a five. He might be able to bump to a
four based on playing time in the production, if he
makes a Pro Bowl again, stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
But the Ravens, you should have three, four, five and six. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
The Ravens right now also slated to get four, which
in theory sounds great. Yeah, but two are in the
fifth and two in the seventh. I think they had
five six round picks this year. Yeah, yeah, which is great.
I mean against one, but it's not the same as
the third. It's not the same. They both have four
compensatory picks, but one has a third and a fourth
(40:13):
the other one has two fifths.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, No, there's there's an arc to it.
And yes, it's great that the Steelers are really dipping
their toe in this.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
The Jets are projected to have three, one in round four,
two and round seven. That doesn't do you much. No,
the Eagles, like the Steelers, they have three one and
the third one and the fourth one and the fifth.
That's soon, right, Milton Williams, Yeah, Milton Williams, Josh Wet,
Makai Beckton, Isaiah Rodgers, all left and they were The
only guy they added was Azizo Julari.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
The forty nine ers, they lost a lot. They only
got three compics out of it, two in the fourth
and one in the fifth.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
Okay, so wet walked out the door though.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Yeah. Teams with two picks the Broncos, but they're both
in round seven.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
Yeah, they're nice flyers, but you might be able to You.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Can't even like swap those now for Hey, we need
a veteran tight end. Right, you don't have them yet.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
You can't even use them for that sea right right,
the guy that's a big cap.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
The Lions have two, one in round three, Carlton Davis
and Kevin Zeitler. One in round seven.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
Wow. Okay.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
The Colts have two, both in round seven. Yuck. The
Vikings have two, one in round three, one in round five.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
O god, that's nice. Yeah, I mean they have not.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
That might be why they just looked at and said,
you know what, we're not gonna make a huge move,
make a huge move to get a bunch of picks
this year, because we know we're going to get a
bunch of premium picks next year.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
They've been really light on Day two picks.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
Last few drafts, teams projected to get one compensatory pick.
The Bears in round seven, it's a little something, the
Bengals in round seven, Cowboys in round five, bad, the
Chiefs round seven. The Raiders are going to get one
(42:07):
in round four.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
That that it's not even many round three picks going.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
No, the Rams are going to get an extra seventh
round pick. The Saints are going to get an extra
fourth round pick.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
That's big for them.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
That's it, right.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
So I think if you look at this, and I
don't care whether you're a Steeler fan or however you
want to look at it, the Steelers are coming out
of this with the most by.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
Far, and more than like half the league combined.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
Yeah, there's a lot of teams, have any I think
the only team that's even close to them, maybe he's
the forty nine Ers who have two in the fourth
and one in the fifth.
Speaker 3 (42:38):
Yeah, I say they've lost a lot, Okay, and maybe
in terms of.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
The Eagles have value, the Eagles have a three to
four and a five.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
That's nice.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
Yeah, nice. So really it's still the top three the Steelers, Eagles,
and forty nine Ers.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
Like you much have a three, four and five then
all the Ravens picks. Yeah, of course. Wow. So and
again I do think there's a chance with the quarter
since their quarterbacks, they could play a lot of snaps
and bump up.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
Yeah. I again, Russell Wilson made the Pro Bowl this year. Yeah, no,
it was an alternate, but he if you extrap.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
White understand the compic formula.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
If you extrapolated Russell Wilson's season over the course of
a seventeen games seasons, he would have had twenty five
touchdown passes and eight interceptions.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
Yeah. Would we take that next year from the Steelers
quarterback room, Yeah, yeah, you definitely would, right, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
So anyways, I just thought that was interesting and Lance
put it all, laid it all out there.
Speaker 3 (43:31):
No Steelers are loaded with that.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
They are, We've we talked about it.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
Are they short eddy of their own? No? Or do
they have anyone's extras? No, okay, they have.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
They have all their picks line eleven picks those in
additional four okay, that are subject to change, but you're
going to get four. Yeah, right, So it's not a
bad spot to be in.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
It's a great spot for you. Yeah. So again, you
could trade a lot of your high stuff and then
just move around two thirds up to the second or whatever.
I mean. It gives me a lot of options.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
You know what that was, Matt, That was part of
the play. The plan, right, the plan that everybody said,
not everybody, but a lot of people said they didn't
have no plan, no plan, right, just feeling their way
through this.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
Letting Dan Moore go after four years of service part
of the plan. That was part of the plan, you know, right,
right right? Yeah, when you trade it or acquired both
those quarterbacks, you probably thought, well, one of them probably
won't be here, but.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
If yeah, one of them will get something back.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
For hopefully one's the best player in the planet. Yeah,
didn't work out that way, but now it didn't hurt yet.
You get two picks for him, and you get picks, right.
Part of the plan, Part of the plan. Plans next
year's Moxs are gonna be fun. That's often more than
what we have when we start this show. We rarely
have a plan today.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
Yeah, somehow we still find a way to get through it,
I hope in an interesting fashion.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
Yeah. Yeah, and again, if there's anyone that wants us
to have a new topic or whatever, throw it out anyways.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
For my partner Matt Williamson, for CJ. Wolfley here on
site running the the soundboard over there making sure we
get out there and sound okay. And for Tyler Viittmarin
making sure our video gets up there onto YouTube. Give
us a thumbs up there. Have a great weekend everybody.
I'm Dale Lollie. We'll see you next week.
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