July 2, 2025 • 36 mins
Matt and Dale review the current Steelers' positions and take a look at Pro Football Focus' latest Fantasy List
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson
on your twenty four to seven home of the Black
and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Then we are back. This is our number two of
the Drive. You're on the Steelers Audio Network and Matt,
as we've done here, will continue to do a little
Fantasy football focus looking at the Tears according to Real
Football Focus of different positions.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Today we're on tight end.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Okay, this is another one. I might go big and
get one of the top guys because I don't love
tight end eight nine ten. You know what you kind
of the riff raff you get.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Well, let's see what we got here.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Yeah, So in tier one they have two guys, Okay,
Tray McBride and Brock Bowers.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
To they McBride ahead a boer. Yeah, I can't get there,
but to me, they're clearly one and two. They're both.
They're both explosive. Bowers is almost certainly gonna lead his
teaming catches even though it's a new staff. McBride will
compete with Harrison to do that. Neither one scored as
much as you think, especially McBride. I think I had
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one touchdown, Like that's gonna go up. Yeah, that's gonna
go up.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
I just don't know if I'm willing to pay the price.
I mean, those guys are going like fifteenth overall, second round.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Tier two three guys, George Kittle, DJ Hawkinson, Sam Laporta.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Okay, I one hundred cent to understand that, and I
would be in on all those dudes, probably in that order.
But I think Kittle stands alone in his own tier,
especially with the wide receiver injuries like on A. He
was really good last year for Fantasy too, and there
are those games where he catches three balls for thirty
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eight yards because Deebo and Hayuk went off or whatever,
So he's a little frustrating.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
He also misses a little bit right almost every year.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
But I'm back in on Hawkinson for sure. I mean
he kind of had that semi down year because injuries.
Laporta started the season injured, but as he got healthier,
it was much better in the second half of the season.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Yeah, but new coordinator Tier three, and this takes us
from six to twelve.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
This is when you start to really have a disadvantage
against the top guys, at least in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Mark Andrews.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Okay, that's surprising he's that high. Most lists have him
like eleven, which I don't understand. I don't understand that
he's still good. Now this was done before the trade.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Oh okay, yeah, so Johnny Smith is seven.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
I don't know he could be in the top twelve anymore.
I mean, he's not gonna catch eighty eight passes here. No,
you know, he was their third receiver.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Yeah, then he had Travis Kelsey.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
You buying him at that price. I think his snaps
go down. But third down in red zone and ring
around the rosy nonsense and stuff is still gonna be
out there. He's just not gonna have the volume.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Yeah, he's gonna have sixty catches.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
From him, So you hope double digitized.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Seven and maybe double division.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Yeah, because of the situation.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Nine is David and Joku.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
I'm fine with that because they really scheme him up
and a lot of easy quarterback throws that I don't
think it matters whose quarterback is. He's good after the catch.
I don't think that's a bad price for him.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
And you have Evan Ingram Yeah, okay, changing, yeah, changing
Sceniory there.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
I mean he's fast, he's a former first round pick.
There's traits there, and his career has gotten a lot
better lately. Broncoes one other way to get him a
hard time. Putting all my chips in that basket.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Though, you know, and you have Colston Loveland and Tyler Warren.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
I'm not there at all.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
I can't do that.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
I'm not even close to those minokies being starting fantasy
tight ends.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
This is not Rock Bauer situations, not at all, because
the difference is, first off, I think Bower's better than
those two. Bowers was the focal point of the offense. Like,
there's no way Warren's going to catch more passes than
Pittman and Downs and Pierce is still in the mix,
and ad n I Mitchell and they want to run
the ball like crazy. Do you think loved One's gonna
have more catches than their top three receivers? No, no way,
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I'm not paying any of those Probably, most contrary to
recent memory, rookie tight ends struggle.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Yeah, you can't tell me. Just because Brock, Bowers and
Pitts had decent years, that's not a thing anymore.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Then you had Tier four, Dalton Kincaid, Tucker Craft, Dallas, Goddard,
Jake Ferguson, Kyle Pitts, Brenon Strange and Isaiah Likely.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
They're not all the same. To me, No, that would
be maybe the top three in their own tier. Like
I'll take craft Craft I'm pretty excited about. But there's
so many receivers are gonna catch the ball to.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
I don't understand why Friarmouth wasn't at least in this group.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Free trade, right, yeah, I'm still taking I still probably
take friar Ruth over Strange. Yeah, Kidney, right, I mean
that guy's done nothing to.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Take Johnie Smith like, yeah, now they probably both catch
fifty plus passes.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Had a lot of end zone targets too. Yeah, that's
probably not going to change. Who are the top two there? Oh,
Goddard to me is really interesting. There's no way they're
going to run the ball at that extreme percentage this year. No,
they're just gonna be in closer games. They're gonna have
to throw the ball a little bit more. That pie
will grow.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
And I actually like Jake Ferguson there, it's not bad, right,
like be solid, yeah right right. Dak Prescott throws at
the tight end.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
He does, he does and I don't think Pickens kills him.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
No. Tier five zach Ertz, Hunter Henry Chicken, Quonko. Then
you get path for our mouth, Mike Kisiki, Kateawt, and
Fulton Schultz.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
I'm definitely taking Friarmouth number one of all those pre trade,
especially yea post trade.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Still, I'm like all I've Ben Schultz.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Schultz is pretty similar to Ferguson. Yeah, I mean good
quarterback passing offense, well, decent offense. Probably will catch plenty
of touchdowns. He's so vanilla and not fun. But Hunter
Henry is okay too. Yeah, and he might catch eight
touchdowns this year. They don't have anybody to throw the
ball to in general, though, I might not have a
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second tight end as opposed to drafting those guys.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Yeah, I don't necessarily need it.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Yeah right right. And Kisiki, I don't like him as
a player, but I like him for fantasy.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
He's essentially their third wide receiver and.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
He probably will be again, and they gave him money. Yeah,
like if you this is non fantasy related, but it
overlaps as always, we talked about how they're running it
back in the first hour and they are fine, but
what I didn't understand. I understand paying Hey, I didn't
understand paying Kaseki. If you're gonna pay no, I mean
you could drafted one the third round in the fourth
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round and Ben got exactly what you got out of Koseki.
But the fact that they did makes me like Koseki
better for Fantasy. Whether I agree with signing or not,
I'm just trying to get in their head, you know.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Yeah, right, Tier six, these are deep playing flyers.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Some of the rookies are kind of interesting though. I
assume they're gonna be in this neighborhood. Yeah, Arroyo's and
those type of dudes. Terrence Ferguson, Okay, Chitavian Son Sanders,
Mason Taylor, ron Da Gadson's the second Juan Johnson, Theo
Johnson no offense, Harold Fannin, and Elijah Roho. So a
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lot of young guys. I would say the young guys are
kind of There's three young guys that are kind of
interesting to me that'll be like on my watch list.
I'm not saying I'm drafting them. Taylor with the Jets,
he could be their second leading receiver. I mean it's
Wilson and a lot much else Arroyo with Seattle, he
was he would have been drafted higher and he had
clean medicals. So I think he's really a second round
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prospect and he's a long way from me in fantasy relevant.
But theo Johnson is the tight end for the Giants
now right, they should have okay quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
He's gonna get no attention.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
He's getting no attention at all. They're gonna be losing
a lot probably, you know, like you could he might
be better than you think. Yeah, doesn't. I might take
a flyer on some of those real young guys, or
they have the first two good weeks this season put
in for them Tier seven.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
No.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Agree, that's a sneaky one.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
That's a sneaky one.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
If you don't think that Kelsey is gonna be on
the field all.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
The time, they have to make him a part time player.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
No agree?
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Is I know? Agree? Is it's clearly his job. I
think you mentioned it on Monday when we were talking
about it after the John new trade, and I don't
think it's coincidence. But the Steelers are right there with
like five of the best teams in the league with
the multiple tight end stuff in Casey's one of them. Yeah,
I mean they have they all, even with three good receivers,
they always have multiple times. They have a high percent
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of multiple line camp block, line camp block and read
and other smart people realize tight ends are hard to
deal with. They put you in a.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Bindu cool comette. Tyler Conklin, Tyler Higbee, Ben Sinnott, Will Thissley,
Luke Musgrave, Austin Hooper, Dawson Knox, Taysom Hill.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
I don't Tayso Hills and play footballs here yuck. Yeah, yeah,
maybe one of those guys becomes fantasy relevant. But all right,
quick one, where do you put Waller? I don't know
what to think of him? Like you have to and
in the last week you have to drop John who.
I don't move friar Mouth off that list any deeper
now even move them up. But is wall a top twelve,
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top fifteen?
Speaker 2 (10:01):
I take him over close in Loveland entire teller Warren.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Yes, yes, again, I don't know what to expect of him.
He's been out of the game.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Is he gonna be their their number three option?
Speaker 3 (10:13):
If so, that's we saw it with John who did
last Yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Ye, he catches right right?
Speaker 3 (10:18):
I mean this time last year, I was all excited
about John who Smith. I'm like, whoever the three is
in Miami, I don't know what position it is. It's
gonna be useful.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
He got earn fifteen targets.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Yeah, yeah, as long as Waller doesn't get the camp
and be like, I really don't want to play football
or I can't run or it gets injured or something,
you know, something older finish that he's not in. He's
gonna catch touchdown. He's the only big guy too, right,
you know, right, I've be out of interest. It definitely
be my top fifteen. Yeah, and ahead of the rookies. Yeah,
I would look at that. Yeah, Yeah, that's worth a Yeah,
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that's worth a flyer. You're not gonna pay much for him, no,
you know, he's had a really good career, yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
For sure. But that's their list. It's it's okay, it's.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
I don't know who I'm jumping up and down to
pick at cost.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
I think it's in the grand scheme of things, better
than running back and maybe better than quarterback.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Yeah, quarterbacks don't blowing me away at the moment either,
you know, of course, you can live with the fifteenth
ranked quarterback and he's gonna play. Yeah, but compared I
know what you're saying. You're saying compared to other tight
end years or you know what's the richest spots of
fantasy drafts right now?
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Like I can draft one of those guys who are
twelve to twenty and get fifty catches out of them.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Yeah, it might be enough.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Am I gonna compete with Brock Bowers or no McBride
or no? But it could be good enough if I've
loaded up elsewhere.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
And I like McBride a lot, and I'm pretty convinced
on Bowers, but I'm not sure McBride is Kelsey in
his prime either. I mean, like worth the first round
pick type of guy Jones gives me such a huge advantage,
probably leaning towards like the Hawkinson neighborhood. But they're gonna
go pretty quick too, Yeah, I mean after the first
two go off the board, that next tier might go
quicker than you think.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
I always have a tough time taking a tight end early.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
I usually never do. Yeah, I might be even like
a Mark Andrews, someone's kind of been kind of out
of sight, out of mind. Sign me up.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yeah, for sure, let's get through a break. That's going
to do it for the Fantasy Football Focus, Matt and
I'll be back with more in a drive right after this.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson
on your twenty four to seven Home of the Black
and Gold cast in Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Matt on Steelers dot Com. I've been doing some position reviews,
oh cool heading in the training camp over the last
few weeks, so I have given my thoughts on some
of these different positions.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
So these are reviews, not previews. Previews, oh previews Okay, Okay,
what they got going to camp? Good?
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Okay, someone that gets your thoughts on some of these
positions where we're starting. We're gonna start the offensive line here.
You got Isaac sam Olu, Zach Frasier, Mason McCormick, Roger Jones,
Troy Fatano, Spencer Anderson, Ryan McCollum, Calvin Anderson, Max Sharping,
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Dylan Cook, Gareth Warren, Doug Nester, and Aiden Williams.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Okay, so it probably worries me more than any position
on the team right now other than second wide receiver,
just because I think there's a lot of variants where
I think it could be really good, or what if
Roderick Jones doesn't live up to it, seamal new starts
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to look old. I think the depth, as I've mentioned
many times, isn't what he has been the last year
or two. But I also look at Fraser and Faltanu
and think they might be stars. They might be two
of the best linemen they've had since pouncing Castro and
those type of guys as opposed to just the Dan
Mooor's of the world, who are fine, they might have
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some stars. I often complain or worry about the depth
and a lot.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Of Here's the thing. If I look at the depth
Spencer Anderson, Ryan McCollum, Calvin Anderson, Max Sharping, and Dylan Cook.
The only one of those guys who's never played is
Dylan Cook.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
See that's exactly what I was gonna say. You beat
me to it, because and then who's the last name too,
the one that you didn't mention after those five Sharping?
Maybe I think you did mention it.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
I didn't mention him.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
I say, at least those guys have played.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
He's got a bunch of starts unders, right, Calvin Anderson's
got a bunch of stars unders.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Yeah, they're not superstars, but in an offensive line starve league,
and I would have loved for them to have a
third pick from this year's draft in the mix, but
they didn't know those kind of picks. Next year, I
bet they will. That's probably about the best you can do.
You know, guys have been around the block that aren't
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gonna blow blocks because of mental stuff. Their technique is good,
but they're just not super gifted, you know, like you
can grind things out with those dudes, especially with a
smart quarterback, and the guy gets the ball out of
his hands too, you know what I mean. Now, multiple
injuries there would scare the multiple injuries.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
But multiple injuries is gonna He's gonna kill you regardless.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Well it didn't last year though. I Mean, they were
so stocked the drafted.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
But their injuries were more you know, one guard position
kept getting hurt and then they lose Daniels. But by
the time they lost Daniels, Sam Allers back right, So
it was never multiple guys out all at the same time.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
No, but it still was one of the most injured
O lines in the league last Yearyeah, I mean in
terms of what you lost. Now again, Fraser probably would
have taken over as a starting center, but when Herbie
got injured, he was a starter. You know, it wouldn't
break my heart to have another, but I don't think
you're gonna find it.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Yeah. Now, to me, the biggest question mark remains Proderick Jones. Yes,
I think is going to be a star.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
I do too. I think they do too.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
I mean if you hang out around the facility. They
don't like put it on the big screen or anything,
but he just get this vibe. They're like, oh, we'll
be okay at right tackle. Yeah, you know, we're happy
about that. Let's just you know, maybe the whole right side.
I don't think McCormick will ever be a star, but
if center to right tackle was really good for the
next decade or next six seven years, yeah, okay, you know,
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I think Samali will need replaced at some point, not
this year, of course. And Roger Jones is the big
wild card.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Yeah. And I think you'll benefit playing next to Isaac
sam All.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Yeah, I mean I think it will be good for him.
That it was one of our mail bag questions or whatever,
you know, just being next to such a pro the
grunting and you do this you do that or hey,
what what I miss on that one?
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Identification of yeah, yeah, absolutely, but that worries me. But
that's not uncommon for the league.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
No, no, not at all. Let's move on to the
defensive side of the line. Okay, you got cam Aywart,
Keanu Benton, Dean Lowry, Isaiah Lottermilk to Marvin Leel, Logan Lee,
Derek Harmon, yah yay, Black Daniel he says, he Yoda Moyo,
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Jacob Slade, and Dominique Davis.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
So those last three to me are really swimming upstream,
you know. And then how many others did you say
there was there? Like nine or ten? Yeah, seven are
gonna make the team. I mean this reminds me of
the old line last year and the year before going
into camps, like you got more than just one too many,
You might have too too many in terms of NFL players.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Like louder Milk, Marvin Leel Guarantee nothing.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Right, Yeah, I mean both, but especially louder Milk. To me,
better have a darn good camp. I think it sets
up extremely well because how many first round picks can
you kind of ease into things? No matter what position
they play. It's a perfect ideal situation. Benton to me,
is still a riser. Lee can be the lowry I
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think for a long time. You know, they've seem to
have a confidence about him as well. When you're down there,
the other dudes are going to be scrapping and battling
for playing time and making Cam's life easier is the
beauty of it. I mean, the the depth, the star power,
cams of star mixed with the youth and the upside
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is exactly where you want that to be, which we
talked about to no end with our draft coverage. You know, like, yes,
it would be a strength if they didn't draft two
of them, but if they had lasted till the third
and fifth round, wouldn't be the potential massive strength it
could be now right, you know.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Yeah, Derek Harmon was the closest thing to Cam Hayward
in this draft.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Absolutely where he aligns, how he wins all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Maybe in the last few drafts.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean he's the ideal heir apparent.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
I don't know if everybody as good as Cam, but
he's set up to be in a really good.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Sen If he can be seventy of what Kim has been.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Oh yeah, you're talking about for his career, even this year. Yeah, yeah,
even for his career would be worth it. He's close
to that this year. Great fantastic. Give me some splash,
Give me a high energy guy coming off the bench,
mixed in thirty snaps of game. A sneaky pick though
is black. Yeah, he is power. He's a full grown
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man now. I'm sure he'll bat some passes the line
of scrimmage. Maybe he gets a sacky year, you know,
throughout his career, but he's not fun to play against.
No inside runs and stuff like that. He's more than
He's not more than just an old school nose, but
he's important in that way, you know.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Yeah, Yeah, he's I definitely think they got a better
group up front in terms of stopping the run.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Yeah, but actually I don't think you miss Ogunjovi at all.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
No. I think Derek Harmon has a potential the way
to shoot way past Oh.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Yeah yeah yeah. And I'll be honest, I should know
more about uk Lee than I do. I mean, he's
more nosey ish, more run stuffer, but he's a pro too,
you know what I mean. Like we talked about the
backup O lineman, Like, I think he's better than most
of those backup O linemen. You know what he does
in terms of he's gonna be He's an NFL player,
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you know, he's played a lot of snaps. You hope
you don't need to lean on him. Maybe he doesn't
make the team either, But if that's your seventh or
a dude.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Yeah, yeah, I think it's really deep.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
It is that that's the one position I could see
possibly trading somebody during camp. I mean, does Lowery makes
a little more than the LEAs of the world, Maybe
you trade him for a six round pick and open
up a little bit of cap space. Because so many
guys can make this team.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Well, I think there's one spot if they try to
trade somebody, and that's Punner.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Yeah, and you might be able to do it. I
mean you got two top twenty punters. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think we talked about that earlier in the week
that yes, you're not going to get a ransom for him, no,
but if I can do the old weight minute a
seven for your six, oh you know you know right?
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Yeah? Absolutely, yeah, yeah, I mean I think I think
the lines give them what they've invested in them over
the last few years look massively different.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Oh, it's clearly been Omar's number one goal. Yeah, there
hasn't been quarterbacks to get quarterback side. That's its own beast.
But because you've invested so much in these lines, it
sets up really well for the next quarterback. I think
they'll be back to some degree in next year's I
bet next year they draft O line once or twice,
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depending how many picks they have. Now, I must say
in the first second round. I don't know if they'll
draft any big people on defense. I mean, this might
be the same group you roll back for the next
two years.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Yeah. Yeah, let's get to a break. When we come back,
we'll talk more position reviews. He's Matt Williamson. I'm Dale Lowie.
You're listening to the Drive. You're on the Steelers audiop.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson
on your twenty four to seven Home of the Black
and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
And we are back and Matt and I are going
to continue our look here at some Steeler position groups,
and then we're gonna move on to they're running backs. Okay,
you got Jalen Morren, Kenneth Gamewell, cord Erald Patterson, Caleb Johnson,
Evan Hall, Trey Sermon, Max Hrlman, and fullback DJ Thomas Jones.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
So the fullback I don't think we can totally discredit,
and I've been kind of holding off talking about him
until we see training camp. Yeah, fullbacks at mini camp
and OTAs are yeah, shows you nothing, shows you nothing. Okay,
he moves around, Okay, you can catch the ball a
little bit, fine, but he's not runn through the hole
and blast in the linebacker or yeah, doing full back.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Stuff or running down on special team right.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Exactly, I see, you know, because they've definitely flirted with fullbacks,
even Green, the former center. I mean, like the it's
in the the thought process. It's just a hard position
to keep if you're not a great teamer. And I
would bet if he makes a team, Connor Hayward wouldn't.
I don't know if it's a one for one or not,
but I wanted to address him that he's different than
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the rest in this room. Yeah, and has a path,
you know, where some of the guys to the bottom
the list probably don't have a path, like any position.
At least he has a path. I think Sermon and
Hull are really interesting. I didn't adore either one coming
out of Ohio State or Northwestern, respectively, but they were
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third and fourth round picks, right, you know, they had
really good college Big Ten careers. Yeah, and frankly, shame
on me. I have no clue if they've become special
teamers or not. For their sake, they have to. Maybe
that's why they Maybe they're not quite good enough running
back to do the Benny Snell third running back slash
real good special teamer and if not, then they're not
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long for the league. But that's what I kind of
like about them, is it's now or never for these
dudes and their third and fourth round picks. They can
carry the football and might have good preseasons.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Well, you say third running back, but Jalen Moore and
Kenneth Gamewell that's thing, and Caleb Johnson our team team
right right?
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Exactly? Yeah, I guess that's the wrong way of phrasing it.
Snell was a third running back. They can't get to
that point without an injury, but they could hang around,
and we know people get hurt that position. They could
revitalize their career. Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, there's something. There
might be something there with those guys.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
The wild card to me and maybe a stash him
on the practice squad is Max Hurlman.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
He's another Dame kid.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Huh, another Dame kid. Okay, catches the ball really well. Yeah,
and they were utilizing him in a lot of different
ways at OTA's in mini camp.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
It's funny you you brought him up a couple of
weeks ago. I'd never heard his name before in my life,
and someone tweeted me directly. He knows I have a
connection with Ross Tucker and I used to host a
podcast together. He went to Ross's high school in Why
I Was Missing Pa or whatever the wrong side of
the state, and he had him on the show and
so I listened to it. He's super easy to root for, Yeah,
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I mean he is a do it all, Taysom Hillish
kind of guy. Almost. I'm sure he'll do all the
special team stuff, tough as could be. Went to Notre Dame.
I mean, he wasn't like a nobody. He's definitely gonna
be somebody we'll talk about a camp.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
I didn't realize he was with the running backs because
he will run routes too. Yeah, so he's an interesting dude.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
He may be in like direct competition with quarter All Patterson.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
I'm shot Patterson still on the team. They haven't needed
the money. Maybe I'm just off base on that. I
thought he would be one of the first cuts, but
he isn't. Okay, Yeah, I'm not saying he's bad. I
just thought when there was cap cutting time that he'd
be one of the first guys to go. Maybe he
still will be. Maybe he won't get the case. It's
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not a ton. Yeah, he is a kick returner. He
has some unique traits. Him and Smith have a history,
and he did well with the Falcons. Maybe he's around.
I don't know. Is he need an injury to make
the team though, I don't know, because I do think
the top three are pretty much sentenced doone. Yeah. Yeah,
he's not gonna be Gamebow.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
No, it's interesting. It's just it's a again, it's a
situation where Omar Calm went out and gut not just
one too many. They might have two or three too many.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Yeah, they might. They might the guys that will be
in the league, and if Gamebells are three, he's a
different type of three than a Snell or a hammer type.
But he's been a lot of big games and he's
had a pretty good career. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
If Johnson's a little slow to get it, which I
know we all just think third round running back, just
plug him in. He's gonna lead the team in rushing.
He's gonna have speed bumps too. Yeah, rookies take a
while to get trust.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
And despite his size, game is actually pretty good in protection.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Yes, and he's he can do some inside runs and
some short yard and stuff for you. That's not he's
not trumbattis no. Yeah, but he's an accomplished number. It
was Barkley's backup, right, Yeah, I mean on the Super
Bowl team. That's that's not a nothing pick up.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
No, not at all.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Yeah, not at all.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Let's move on here.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
And I like the top two. No, he kind of
brushed over the top two, but I think everybody knows.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Everybody knows that.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
I think Warren is a better year than last year.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Moving on to outside linebacker.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Okay, you got T. J.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Watt, Alex Highsmith, Nick Herbide, Jeremiah moon Jack Sawyer, Julius Welshoff,
and Echo Liota.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
I didn't hate Welshoff in camp.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
By the way, he had a good kid.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Right right. I don't know anything about Leota, but Welshoff
to me will hang around and be on the field
in preseason games and meaningful snaps and go from there.
Moon Shirt in like the drafting of Slawyer. That hurts him,
but you can keep five, you can. And he has
a strong special teams background. But I don't know if
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he's one of their best special teams or because if
he isn't, he's in trouble. But maybe he looks on
somewhere else or practice squads. It I didn't see the
Sawyer pick coming at all, but boy, it adds up.
And I don't think it's because they're not going to
resign Watt and they're going to trade him and all
this Schefter report. What's going to be on the team?
Speaker 2 (29:34):
J What will be a Pittsburgh Steeler for a long time? Yes?
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Yes, forever? Reason since this latest trade, I've been getting
that question left and right, And I know if you
read Schefter's tweet, he's very very smart of how he
does it. Yes, is teams are now. People didn't think it.
Mica could get traded and could watch get traded. Not
the Steelers are shopping wild or interested in trade at all.
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Teams are considering could they get Wash Yeah, put in
the long way from him leaving town.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
They probably had those talks before any of that stuff
took place. Yeah, yeah, because you do.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
You're not a good GM if you're not turning over
those stones, you know, right, if you're the Packers or
the Lions or whoever. I was even asked, I mean like,
I'm not trading them for the Lions first round pick
or the Packers first round pick. I mean, it's not
part of the plan. And even this latest trade implies
that it's even less part of the plan. You know,
like it's not rebuild time at all. You have enough
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assets going forward. I mean, he's not going anywhere, nor
should he.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
No, Right, you know, when you look at those guys,
when Pro Football Focus put together their top thirty two
edge rushers in the league, what high Smith and Herbig,
we're all in the top thirty two.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
They're on top thirty two. Yeah, and even they're just
their pass rush grade from Pro Football Focus of the
edge guys, those three were all in the top eight.
You know, like keep a strength of strength, right, Yeah,
I wouldn't mind watts that count going down by five
percent or high Smith rotate those dudes in, but you're
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loaded up there. It's kind of like the d line conversation. YEA,
be great up.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Front, the problem becomes and I think this is why
they drafted Sawyer. Herbig is not a good run defender.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
No, he says, I'm saying his pants. Yeah, and you
would still be really, I mean, even though we've even
though there's three then in the top list, Herbig can't
be an every down player, you know, And that's the problem.
If if high Smith or Watt stubs a toe let
alone is out for stretch, he can't be in every
down defender against the Ravens.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
I think he's fine. He's fine as a run and
chase guy.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Oh yeah yeah, or for several plays.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Yeah, you know, but if somebody is running right at him,
that's problem. That's trouble.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Somebody's taking on offensive tackle, yeah, that's he's given up
eighty pounds to them and a lot of power and
technique and all that stuff too. So again, I didn't
see the Sawyer pick coming, but they kind of told
us this when they traded for Preston Smith. I didn't
see the Preston Smith trade, same big body, play the Ravens,
you know, eat up some snaps, be physical. He's much
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different than her Big. You know, watching those two walk
out on the field together a couple of weeks ago,
Sawyer and Herbig, they don't look the same. And Sawyer's
not going to bend the edge like them either.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Right, But we've talked about this too. Herbig's been a
core special teamer, correct will that keep up? Or is
he getting too valuable for that?
Speaker 2 (32:42):
But if he's a backup, I think Sawyer is not
going to be a c And that was question special
because I don't think he ever did at Ohio State
and he was like a five star recruit and I
I'm sure he has no background with that or minimal,
but he's going to have to.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
I mean, so we'll see. Yeah, I mean, I just
don't It's not good or bad. It's just didn't complete.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Yeah, I think you picked your spots still with her Big. Yeah,
but I think Sawyer takes on more of that load,
which may and they're helping a guy like Jeremiah Moon.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Good. Good If Lawyer struggles as a special team or
Slawyer's gonna make the team, maybe you keep moon right
at least kephim in the mix and one of the
two is inactive early on and see how it goes
from there. Yeah, or maybe her big even instead of
being the four core teams, maybe plays two to them.
You know, maybe he's punt team only or whatever, you know,
whatever he's best at or wherever your weak is that.
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But he's a good one. I mean he's been to the
top of the team and special team snaps for a
couple of years.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
And that's that's why moving back to the running backs,
I got like DJ Thomas Jones, Yeah, has to show
that he's good on teams because Connor Hayward is.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
He is, He's one of the best two or three, yeah,
five or whatever. He's check that box times a thousand.
That's the biggest reason to steal her, right, not because
of his last name or his versatility and.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Off I still get that question. I get to you know, oh,
Connor Ayward's only on a team because his name's Hayward.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
No, no, side note, we haven't gotten to this. But
speaking of a little bit of nepotism, Brunner is going
to be a core special.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Team will be a core Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Special to me that's his whole existence in the league'll
he could be a Matti Kaevich.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Yeah, you know, for a long time, for a long time, right, Yeah,
so you look at that. I mean, they take that
very seriously.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Very seriously, and they should. There's a lot of competition
for who are the five guys that are here for
special teams? Yeah, you know, Pierre can play some corner.
He probably didn't love the Ramsey trade, but if he's
one of your gunners, you know, Scronic probably wouldn't love
if they traded for a receiver. But if he's one
of your.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Gunners, you need guys like that on your roster.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
I mean, Brunner might have a better chance of being
active on game day than guys drafted ahead of him
this year. Oh yeah, if he's a great special team
or which he definitely projects to be.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Yeah, he did do unlike Sawyer, he did do a
lot of special teams tons in Washington.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Right right right, every unit, every unit. And you know,
Mark's son and all, I mean, you know he knows,
although not that Sawyer doesn't know how to get on
the field obviously. Yeah, but Brunner was not a five
star recruit. Now go to Ohio State.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Yeah, but yeah, that's uh, it's a really good group.
It's deep, it's talented, it got deeper.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Right right, right, you know, So give a nice blend
of guys in their prime and some youth. Herbig's in.
I mean it's two years away, but Herbig's gonna be
hard to resign.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Yes, someone's gonna throw a bunch of money out him.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Yeah. Yeah, and probably will not get a second contract
with the Steelers, but he might get your third round
pick comp right, you know what I mean? And who
knows what's high Smith and water like at that stage
of his career. It's two years away. That's a lot
in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Also, why you draft Sawyer right.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Exactly. I always want to have a cheap rookie contract
guy because your starters are expensive. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
You know when you even talk about high Smith, he's really.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Good too, he's very good. Yeah, Yeah, he really is.
He might be the tenth best edge guy in the week.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Yeah. So they're pretty loaded there, But Matt, that's going
to do it for today's show. Good stuff. Absolutely, a
lot of fun. Like to thank Brian la Martine had
a big dog in today. Yeah, absolutely bringing in the
big guns there but for my partner Matt Williamson. I
(36:24):
am Dale Lalli. We want to thank you for listening
to this edition of the Drive on the Steelers Audio
Network
This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson
on your twenty four to seven home of the Black
and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Then we are back. This is our number two of
the Drive. You're on the Steelers Audio Network and Matt,
as we've done here, will continue to do a little
Fantasy football focus looking at the Tears according to Real
Football Focus of different positions.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Today we're on tight end.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Okay, this is another one. I might go big and
get one of the top guys because I don't love
tight end eight nine ten. You know what you kind
of the riff raff you get.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Well, let's see what we got here.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Yeah, So in tier one they have two guys, Okay,
Tray McBride and Brock Bowers.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
To they McBride ahead a boer. Yeah, I can't get there,
but to me, they're clearly one and two. They're both.
They're both explosive. Bowers is almost certainly gonna lead his
teaming catches even though it's a new staff. McBride will
compete with Harrison to do that. Neither one scored as
much as you think, especially McBride. I think I had
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one touchdown, Like that's gonna go up. Yeah, that's gonna
go up.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
I just don't know if I'm willing to pay the price.
I mean, those guys are going like fifteenth overall, second round.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Tier two three guys, George Kittle, DJ Hawkinson, Sam Laporta.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Okay, I one hundred cent to understand that, and I
would be in on all those dudes, probably in that order.
But I think Kittle stands alone in his own tier,
especially with the wide receiver injuries like on A. He
was really good last year for Fantasy too, and there
are those games where he catches three balls for thirty
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eight yards because Deebo and Hayuk went off or whatever,
So he's a little frustrating.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
He also misses a little bit right almost every year.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
But I'm back in on Hawkinson for sure. I mean
he kind of had that semi down year because injuries.
Laporta started the season injured, but as he got healthier,
it was much better in the second half of the season.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Yeah, but new coordinator Tier three, and this takes us
from six to twelve.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
This is when you start to really have a disadvantage
against the top guys, at least in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Mark Andrews.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Okay, that's surprising he's that high. Most lists have him
like eleven, which I don't understand. I don't understand that
he's still good. Now this was done before the trade.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Oh okay, yeah, so Johnny Smith is seven.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
I don't know he could be in the top twelve anymore.
I mean, he's not gonna catch eighty eight passes here. No,
you know, he was their third receiver.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Yeah, then he had Travis Kelsey.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
You buying him at that price. I think his snaps
go down. But third down in red zone and ring
around the rosy nonsense and stuff is still gonna be
out there. He's just not gonna have the volume.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Yeah, he's gonna have sixty catches.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
From him, So you hope double digitized.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Seven and maybe double division.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Yeah, because of the situation.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Nine is David and Joku.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
I'm fine with that because they really scheme him up
and a lot of easy quarterback throws that I don't
think it matters whose quarterback is. He's good after the catch.
I don't think that's a bad price for him.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
And you have Evan Ingram Yeah, okay, changing, yeah, changing
Sceniory there.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
I mean he's fast, he's a former first round pick.
There's traits there, and his career has gotten a lot
better lately. Broncoes one other way to get him a
hard time. Putting all my chips in that basket.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Though, you know, and you have Colston Loveland and Tyler Warren.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
I'm not there at all.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
I can't do that.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
I'm not even close to those minokies being starting fantasy
tight ends.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
This is not Rock Bauer situations, not at all, because
the difference is, first off, I think Bower's better than
those two. Bowers was the focal point of the offense. Like,
there's no way Warren's going to catch more passes than
Pittman and Downs and Pierce is still in the mix,
and ad n I Mitchell and they want to run
the ball like crazy. Do you think loved One's gonna
have more catches than their top three receivers? No, no way,
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I'm not paying any of those Probably, most contrary to
recent memory, rookie tight ends struggle.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Yeah, you can't tell me. Just because Brock, Bowers and
Pitts had decent years, that's not a thing anymore.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Then you had Tier four, Dalton Kincaid, Tucker Craft, Dallas, Goddard,
Jake Ferguson, Kyle Pitts, Brenon Strange and Isaiah Likely.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
They're not all the same. To me, No, that would
be maybe the top three in their own tier. Like
I'll take craft Craft I'm pretty excited about. But there's
so many receivers are gonna catch the ball to.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
I don't understand why Friarmouth wasn't at least in this group.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Free trade, right, yeah, I'm still taking I still probably
take friar Ruth over Strange. Yeah, Kidney, right, I mean
that guy's done nothing to.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Take Johnie Smith like, yeah, now they probably both catch
fifty plus passes.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Had a lot of end zone targets too. Yeah, that's
probably not going to change. Who are the top two there? Oh,
Goddard to me is really interesting. There's no way they're
going to run the ball at that extreme percentage this year. No,
they're just gonna be in closer games. They're gonna have
to throw the ball a little bit more. That pie
will grow.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
And I actually like Jake Ferguson there, it's not bad, right,
like be solid, yeah right right. Dak Prescott throws at
the tight end.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
He does, he does and I don't think Pickens kills him.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
No. Tier five zach Ertz, Hunter Henry Chicken, Quonko. Then
you get path for our mouth, Mike Kisiki, Kateawt, and
Fulton Schultz.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
I'm definitely taking Friarmouth number one of all those pre trade,
especially yea post trade.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Still, I'm like all I've Ben Schultz.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Schultz is pretty similar to Ferguson. Yeah, I mean good
quarterback passing offense, well, decent offense. Probably will catch plenty
of touchdowns. He's so vanilla and not fun. But Hunter
Henry is okay too. Yeah, and he might catch eight
touchdowns this year. They don't have anybody to throw the
ball to in general, though, I might not have a
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second tight end as opposed to drafting those guys.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Yeah, I don't necessarily need it.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Yeah right right. And Kisiki, I don't like him as
a player, but I like him for fantasy.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
He's essentially their third wide receiver and.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
He probably will be again, and they gave him money. Yeah,
like if you this is non fantasy related, but it
overlaps as always, we talked about how they're running it
back in the first hour and they are fine, but
what I didn't understand. I understand paying Hey, I didn't
understand paying Kaseki. If you're gonna pay no, I mean
you could drafted one the third round in the fourth
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round and Ben got exactly what you got out of Koseki.
But the fact that they did makes me like Koseki
better for Fantasy. Whether I agree with signing or not,
I'm just trying to get in their head, you know.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Yeah, right, Tier six, these are deep playing flyers.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Some of the rookies are kind of interesting though. I
assume they're gonna be in this neighborhood. Yeah, Arroyo's and
those type of dudes. Terrence Ferguson, Okay, Chitavian Son Sanders,
Mason Taylor, ron Da Gadson's the second Juan Johnson, Theo
Johnson no offense, Harold Fannin, and Elijah Roho. So a
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lot of young guys. I would say the young guys are
kind of There's three young guys that are kind of
interesting to me that'll be like on my watch list.
I'm not saying I'm drafting them. Taylor with the Jets,
he could be their second leading receiver. I mean it's
Wilson and a lot much else Arroyo with Seattle, he
was he would have been drafted higher and he had
clean medicals. So I think he's really a second round
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prospect and he's a long way from me in fantasy relevant.
But theo Johnson is the tight end for the Giants
now right, they should have okay quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
He's gonna get no attention.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
He's getting no attention at all. They're gonna be losing
a lot probably, you know, like you could he might
be better than you think. Yeah, doesn't. I might take
a flyer on some of those real young guys, or
they have the first two good weeks this season put
in for them Tier seven.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
No.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Agree, that's a sneaky one.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
That's a sneaky one.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
If you don't think that Kelsey is gonna be on
the field all.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
The time, they have to make him a part time player.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
No agree?
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Is I know? Agree? Is it's clearly his job. I
think you mentioned it on Monday when we were talking
about it after the John new trade, and I don't
think it's coincidence. But the Steelers are right there with
like five of the best teams in the league with
the multiple tight end stuff in Casey's one of them. Yeah,
I mean they have they all, even with three good receivers,
they always have multiple times. They have a high percent
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of multiple line camp block, line camp block and read
and other smart people realize tight ends are hard to
deal with. They put you in a.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Bindu cool comette. Tyler Conklin, Tyler Higbee, Ben Sinnott, Will Thissley,
Luke Musgrave, Austin Hooper, Dawson Knox, Taysom Hill.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
I don't Tayso Hills and play footballs here yuck. Yeah, yeah,
maybe one of those guys becomes fantasy relevant. But all right,
quick one, where do you put Waller? I don't know
what to think of him? Like you have to and
in the last week you have to drop John who.
I don't move friar Mouth off that list any deeper
now even move them up. But is wall a top twelve,
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top fifteen?
Speaker 2 (10:01):
I take him over close in Loveland entire teller Warren.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Yes, yes, again, I don't know what to expect of him.
He's been out of the game.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Is he gonna be their their number three option?
Speaker 3 (10:13):
If so, that's we saw it with John who did
last Yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Ye, he catches right right?
Speaker 3 (10:18):
I mean this time last year, I was all excited
about John who Smith. I'm like, whoever the three is
in Miami, I don't know what position it is. It's
gonna be useful.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
He got earn fifteen targets.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Yeah, yeah, as long as Waller doesn't get the camp
and be like, I really don't want to play football
or I can't run or it gets injured or something,
you know, something older finish that he's not in. He's
gonna catch touchdown. He's the only big guy too, right,
you know, right, I've be out of interest. It definitely
be my top fifteen. Yeah, and ahead of the rookies. Yeah,
I would look at that. Yeah, Yeah, that's worth a Yeah,
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that's worth a flyer. You're not gonna pay much for him, no,
you know, he's had a really good career, yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
For sure. But that's their list. It's it's okay, it's.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
I don't know who I'm jumping up and down to
pick at cost.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
I think it's in the grand scheme of things, better
than running back and maybe better than quarterback.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Yeah, quarterbacks don't blowing me away at the moment either,
you know, of course, you can live with the fifteenth
ranked quarterback and he's gonna play. Yeah, but compared I
know what you're saying. You're saying compared to other tight
end years or you know what's the richest spots of
fantasy drafts right now?
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Like I can draft one of those guys who are
twelve to twenty and get fifty catches out of them.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Yeah, it might be enough.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Am I gonna compete with Brock Bowers or no McBride
or no? But it could be good enough if I've
loaded up elsewhere.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
And I like McBride a lot, and I'm pretty convinced
on Bowers, but I'm not sure McBride is Kelsey in
his prime either. I mean, like worth the first round
pick type of guy Jones gives me such a huge advantage,
probably leaning towards like the Hawkinson neighborhood. But they're gonna
go pretty quick too, Yeah, I mean after the first
two go off the board, that next tier might go
quicker than you think.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
I always have a tough time taking a tight end early.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
I usually never do. Yeah, I might be even like
a Mark Andrews, someone's kind of been kind of out
of sight, out of mind. Sign me up.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yeah, for sure, let's get through a break. That's going
to do it for the Fantasy Football Focus, Matt and
I'll be back with more in a drive right after this.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson
on your twenty four to seven Home of the Black
and Gold cast in Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Matt on Steelers dot Com. I've been doing some position reviews,
oh cool heading in the training camp over the last
few weeks, so I have given my thoughts on some
of these different positions.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
So these are reviews, not previews. Previews, oh previews Okay, Okay,
what they got going to camp? Good?
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Okay, someone that gets your thoughts on some of these
positions where we're starting. We're gonna start the offensive line here.
You got Isaac sam Olu, Zach Frasier, Mason McCormick, Roger Jones,
Troy Fatano, Spencer Anderson, Ryan McCollum, Calvin Anderson, Max Sharping,
(13:24):
Dylan Cook, Gareth Warren, Doug Nester, and Aiden Williams.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Okay, so it probably worries me more than any position
on the team right now other than second wide receiver,
just because I think there's a lot of variants where
I think it could be really good, or what if
Roderick Jones doesn't live up to it, seamal new starts
(13:50):
to look old. I think the depth, as I've mentioned
many times, isn't what he has been the last year
or two. But I also look at Fraser and Faltanu
and think they might be stars. They might be two
of the best linemen they've had since pouncing Castro and
those type of guys as opposed to just the Dan
Mooor's of the world, who are fine, they might have
(14:13):
some stars. I often complain or worry about the depth
and a lot.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Of Here's the thing. If I look at the depth
Spencer Anderson, Ryan McCollum, Calvin Anderson, Max Sharping, and Dylan Cook.
The only one of those guys who's never played is
Dylan Cook.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
See that's exactly what I was gonna say. You beat
me to it, because and then who's the last name too,
the one that you didn't mention after those five Sharping?
Maybe I think you did mention it.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
I didn't mention him.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
I say, at least those guys have played.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
He's got a bunch of starts unders, right, Calvin Anderson's
got a bunch of stars unders.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Yeah, they're not superstars, but in an offensive line starve league,
and I would have loved for them to have a
third pick from this year's draft in the mix, but
they didn't know those kind of picks. Next year, I
bet they will. That's probably about the best you can do.
You know, guys have been around the block that aren't
(15:11):
gonna blow blocks because of mental stuff. Their technique is good,
but they're just not super gifted, you know, like you
can grind things out with those dudes, especially with a
smart quarterback, and the guy gets the ball out of
his hands too, you know what I mean. Now, multiple
injuries there would scare the multiple injuries.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
But multiple injuries is gonna He's gonna kill you regardless.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Well it didn't last year though. I Mean, they were
so stocked the drafted.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
But their injuries were more you know, one guard position
kept getting hurt and then they lose Daniels. But by
the time they lost Daniels, Sam Allers back right, So
it was never multiple guys out all at the same time.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
No, but it still was one of the most injured
O lines in the league last Yearyeah, I mean in
terms of what you lost. Now again, Fraser probably would
have taken over as a starting center, but when Herbie
got injured, he was a starter. You know, it wouldn't
break my heart to have another, but I don't think
you're gonna find it.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Yeah. Now, to me, the biggest question mark remains Proderick Jones. Yes,
I think is going to be a star.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
I do too. I think they do too.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
I mean if you hang out around the facility. They
don't like put it on the big screen or anything,
but he just get this vibe. They're like, oh, we'll
be okay at right tackle. Yeah, you know, we're happy
about that. Let's just you know, maybe the whole right side.
I don't think McCormick will ever be a star, but
if center to right tackle was really good for the
next decade or next six seven years, yeah, okay, you know,
(16:43):
I think Samali will need replaced at some point, not
this year, of course. And Roger Jones is the big
wild card.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Yeah. And I think you'll benefit playing next to Isaac
sam All.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Yeah, I mean I think it will be good for him.
That it was one of our mail bag questions or whatever,
you know, just being next to such a pro the
grunting and you do this you do that or hey,
what what I miss on that one?
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Identification of yeah, yeah, absolutely, but that worries me. But
that's not uncommon for the league.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
No, no, not at all. Let's move on to the
defensive side of the line. Okay, you got cam Aywart,
Keanu Benton, Dean Lowry, Isaiah Lottermilk to Marvin Leel, Logan Lee,
Derek Harmon, yah yay, Black Daniel he says, he Yoda Moyo,
(17:38):
Jacob Slade, and Dominique Davis.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
So those last three to me are really swimming upstream,
you know. And then how many others did you say
there was there? Like nine or ten? Yeah, seven are
gonna make the team. I mean this reminds me of
the old line last year and the year before going
into camps, like you got more than just one too many,
You might have too too many in terms of NFL players.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Like louder Milk, Marvin Leel Guarantee nothing.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Right, Yeah, I mean both, but especially louder Milk. To me,
better have a darn good camp. I think it sets
up extremely well because how many first round picks can
you kind of ease into things? No matter what position
they play. It's a perfect ideal situation. Benton to me,
is still a riser. Lee can be the lowry I
(18:33):
think for a long time. You know, they've seem to
have a confidence about him as well. When you're down there,
the other dudes are going to be scrapping and battling
for playing time and making Cam's life easier is the
beauty of it. I mean, the the depth, the star power,
cams of star mixed with the youth and the upside
(18:54):
is exactly where you want that to be, which we
talked about to no end with our draft coverage. You know, like, yes,
it would be a strength if they didn't draft two
of them, but if they had lasted till the third
and fifth round, wouldn't be the potential massive strength it
could be now right, you know.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Yeah, Derek Harmon was the closest thing to Cam Hayward
in this draft.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Absolutely where he aligns, how he wins all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Maybe in the last few drafts.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean he's the ideal heir apparent.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
I don't know if everybody as good as Cam, but
he's set up to be in a really good.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Sen If he can be seventy of what Kim has been.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Oh yeah, you're talking about for his career, even this year. Yeah, yeah,
even for his career would be worth it. He's close
to that this year. Great fantastic. Give me some splash,
Give me a high energy guy coming off the bench,
mixed in thirty snaps of game. A sneaky pick though
is black. Yeah, he is power. He's a full grown
(19:58):
man now. I'm sure he'll bat some passes the line
of scrimmage. Maybe he gets a sacky year, you know,
throughout his career, but he's not fun to play against.
No inside runs and stuff like that. He's more than
He's not more than just an old school nose, but
he's important in that way, you know.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Yeah, Yeah, he's I definitely think they got a better
group up front in terms of stopping the run.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Yeah, but actually I don't think you miss Ogunjovi at all.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
No. I think Derek Harmon has a potential the way
to shoot way past Oh.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Yeah yeah yeah. And I'll be honest, I should know
more about uk Lee than I do. I mean, he's
more nosey ish, more run stuffer, but he's a pro too,
you know what I mean. Like we talked about the
backup O lineman, Like, I think he's better than most
of those backup O linemen. You know what he does
in terms of he's gonna be He's an NFL player,
(21:02):
you know, he's played a lot of snaps. You hope
you don't need to lean on him. Maybe he doesn't
make the team either, But if that's your seventh or
a dude.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Yeah, yeah, I think it's really deep.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
It is that that's the one position I could see
possibly trading somebody during camp. I mean, does Lowery makes
a little more than the LEAs of the world, Maybe
you trade him for a six round pick and open
up a little bit of cap space. Because so many
guys can make this team.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Well, I think there's one spot if they try to
trade somebody, and that's Punner.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Yeah, and you might be able to do it. I
mean you got two top twenty punters. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think we talked about that earlier in the week
that yes, you're not going to get a ransom for him, no,
but if I can do the old weight minute a
seven for your six, oh you know you know right?
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Yeah? Absolutely, yeah, yeah, I mean I think I think
the lines give them what they've invested in them over
the last few years look massively different.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Oh, it's clearly been Omar's number one goal. Yeah, there
hasn't been quarterbacks to get quarterback side. That's its own beast.
But because you've invested so much in these lines, it
sets up really well for the next quarterback. I think
they'll be back to some degree in next year's I
bet next year they draft O line once or twice,
(22:28):
depending how many picks they have. Now, I must say
in the first second round. I don't know if they'll
draft any big people on defense. I mean, this might
be the same group you roll back for the next
two years.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Yeah. Yeah, let's get to a break. When we come back,
we'll talk more position reviews. He's Matt Williamson. I'm Dale Lowie.
You're listening to the Drive. You're on the Steelers audiop.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson
on your twenty four to seven Home of the Black
and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
And we are back and Matt and I are going
to continue our look here at some Steeler position groups,
and then we're gonna move on to they're running backs. Okay,
you got Jalen Morren, Kenneth Gamewell, cord Erald Patterson, Caleb Johnson,
Evan Hall, Trey Sermon, Max Hrlman, and fullback DJ Thomas Jones.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
So the fullback I don't think we can totally discredit,
and I've been kind of holding off talking about him
until we see training camp. Yeah, fullbacks at mini camp
and OTAs are yeah, shows you nothing, shows you nothing. Okay,
he moves around, Okay, you can catch the ball a
little bit, fine, but he's not runn through the hole
and blast in the linebacker or yeah, doing full back.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Stuff or running down on special team right.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Exactly, I see, you know, because they've definitely flirted with fullbacks,
even Green, the former center. I mean, like the it's
in the the thought process. It's just a hard position
to keep if you're not a great teamer. And I
would bet if he makes a team, Connor Hayward wouldn't.
I don't know if it's a one for one or not,
but I wanted to address him that he's different than
(24:14):
the rest in this room. Yeah, and has a path,
you know, where some of the guys to the bottom
the list probably don't have a path, like any position.
At least he has a path. I think Sermon and
Hull are really interesting. I didn't adore either one coming
out of Ohio State or Northwestern, respectively, but they were
(24:35):
third and fourth round picks, right, you know, they had
really good college Big Ten careers. Yeah, and frankly, shame
on me. I have no clue if they've become special
teamers or not. For their sake, they have to. Maybe
that's why they Maybe they're not quite good enough running
back to do the Benny Snell third running back slash
real good special teamer and if not, then they're not
(24:58):
long for the league. But that's what I kind of
like about them, is it's now or never for these
dudes and their third and fourth round picks. They can
carry the football and might have good preseasons.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Well, you say third running back, but Jalen Moore and
Kenneth Gamewell that's thing, and Caleb Johnson our team team
right right?
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Exactly? Yeah, I guess that's the wrong way of phrasing it.
Snell was a third running back. They can't get to
that point without an injury, but they could hang around,
and we know people get hurt that position. They could
revitalize their career. Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, there's something. There
might be something there with those guys.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
The wild card to me and maybe a stash him
on the practice squad is Max Hurlman.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
He's another Dame kid.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Huh, another Dame kid. Okay, catches the ball really well. Yeah,
and they were utilizing him in a lot of different
ways at OTA's in mini camp.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
It's funny you you brought him up a couple of
weeks ago. I'd never heard his name before in my life,
and someone tweeted me directly. He knows I have a
connection with Ross Tucker and I used to host a
podcast together. He went to Ross's high school in Why
I Was Missing Pa or whatever the wrong side of
the state, and he had him on the show and
so I listened to it. He's super easy to root for, Yeah,
(26:16):
I mean he is a do it all, Taysom Hillish
kind of guy. Almost. I'm sure he'll do all the
special team stuff, tough as could be. Went to Notre Dame.
I mean, he wasn't like a nobody. He's definitely gonna
be somebody we'll talk about a camp.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
I didn't realize he was with the running backs because
he will run routes too. Yeah, so he's an interesting dude.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
He may be in like direct competition with quarter All Patterson.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
I'm shot Patterson still on the team. They haven't needed
the money. Maybe I'm just off base on that. I
thought he would be one of the first cuts, but
he isn't. Okay, Yeah, I'm not saying he's bad. I
just thought when there was cap cutting time that he'd
be one of the first guys to go. Maybe he
still will be. Maybe he won't get the case. It's
(27:04):
not a ton. Yeah, he is a kick returner. He
has some unique traits. Him and Smith have a history,
and he did well with the Falcons. Maybe he's around.
I don't know. Is he need an injury to make
the team though, I don't know, because I do think
the top three are pretty much sentenced doone. Yeah. Yeah,
he's not gonna be Gamebow.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
No, it's interesting. It's just it's a again, it's a
situation where Omar Calm went out and gut not just
one too many. They might have two or three too many.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Yeah, they might. They might the guys that will be
in the league, and if Gamebells are three, he's a
different type of three than a Snell or a hammer type.
But he's been a lot of big games and he's
had a pretty good career. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
If Johnson's a little slow to get it, which I
know we all just think third round running back, just
plug him in. He's gonna lead the team in rushing.
He's gonna have speed bumps too. Yeah, rookies take a
while to get trust.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
And despite his size, game is actually pretty good in protection.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Yes, and he's he can do some inside runs and
some short yard and stuff for you. That's not he's
not trumbattis no. Yeah, but he's an accomplished number. It
was Barkley's backup, right, Yeah, I mean on the Super
Bowl team. That's that's not a nothing pick up.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
No, not at all.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Yeah, not at all.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Let's move on here.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
And I like the top two. No, he kind of
brushed over the top two, but I think everybody knows.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Everybody knows that.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
I think Warren is a better year than last year.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Moving on to outside linebacker.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Okay, you got T. J.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Watt, Alex Highsmith, Nick Herbide, Jeremiah moon Jack Sawyer, Julius Welshoff,
and Echo Liota.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
I didn't hate Welshoff in camp.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
By the way, he had a good kid.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Right right. I don't know anything about Leota, but Welshoff
to me will hang around and be on the field
in preseason games and meaningful snaps and go from there.
Moon Shirt in like the drafting of Slawyer. That hurts him,
but you can keep five, you can. And he has
a strong special teams background. But I don't know if
(29:15):
he's one of their best special teams or because if
he isn't, he's in trouble. But maybe he looks on
somewhere else or practice squads. It I didn't see the
Sawyer pick coming at all, but boy, it adds up.
And I don't think it's because they're not going to
resign Watt and they're going to trade him and all
this Schefter report. What's going to be on the team?
Speaker 2 (29:34):
J What will be a Pittsburgh Steeler for a long time? Yes?
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Yes, forever? Reason since this latest trade, I've been getting
that question left and right, And I know if you
read Schefter's tweet, he's very very smart of how he
does it. Yes, is teams are now. People didn't think it.
Mica could get traded and could watch get traded. Not
the Steelers are shopping wild or interested in trade at all.
(30:01):
Teams are considering could they get Wash Yeah, put in
the long way from him leaving town.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
They probably had those talks before any of that stuff
took place. Yeah, yeah, because you do.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
You're not a good GM if you're not turning over
those stones, you know, right, if you're the Packers or
the Lions or whoever. I was even asked, I mean like,
I'm not trading them for the Lions first round pick
or the Packers first round pick. I mean, it's not
part of the plan. And even this latest trade implies
that it's even less part of the plan. You know,
like it's not rebuild time at all. You have enough
(30:36):
assets going forward. I mean, he's not going anywhere, nor
should he.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
No, Right, you know, when you look at those guys,
when Pro Football Focus put together their top thirty two
edge rushers in the league, what high Smith and Herbig,
we're all in the top thirty two.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
They're on top thirty two. Yeah, and even they're just
their pass rush grade from Pro Football Focus of the
edge guys, those three were all in the top eight.
You know, like keep a strength of strength, right, Yeah,
I wouldn't mind watts that count going down by five
percent or high Smith rotate those dudes in, but you're
(31:17):
loaded up there. It's kind of like the d line conversation. YEA,
be great up.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Front, the problem becomes and I think this is why
they drafted Sawyer. Herbig is not a good run defender.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
No, he says, I'm saying his pants. Yeah, and you
would still be really, I mean, even though we've even
though there's three then in the top list, Herbig can't
be an every down player, you know, And that's the problem.
If if high Smith or Watt stubs a toe let
alone is out for stretch, he can't be in every
down defender against the Ravens.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
I think he's fine. He's fine as a run and
chase guy.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Oh yeah yeah, or for several plays.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Yeah, you know, but if somebody is running right at him,
that's problem. That's trouble.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Somebody's taking on offensive tackle, yeah, that's he's given up
eighty pounds to them and a lot of power and
technique and all that stuff too. So again, I didn't
see the Sawyer pick coming, but they kind of told
us this when they traded for Preston Smith. I didn't
see the Preston Smith trade, same big body, play the Ravens,
you know, eat up some snaps, be physical. He's much
(32:21):
different than her Big. You know, watching those two walk
out on the field together a couple of weeks ago,
Sawyer and Herbig, they don't look the same. And Sawyer's
not going to bend the edge like them either.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Right, But we've talked about this too. Herbig's been a
core special teamer, correct will that keep up? Or is
he getting too valuable for that?
Speaker 2 (32:42):
But if he's a backup, I think Sawyer is not
going to be a c And that was question special
because I don't think he ever did at Ohio State
and he was like a five star recruit and I
I'm sure he has no background with that or minimal,
but he's going to have to.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
I mean, so we'll see. Yeah, I mean, I just
don't It's not good or bad. It's just didn't complete.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Yeah, I think you picked your spots still with her Big. Yeah,
but I think Sawyer takes on more of that load,
which may and they're helping a guy like Jeremiah Moon.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Good. Good If Lawyer struggles as a special team or
Slawyer's gonna make the team, maybe you keep moon right
at least kephim in the mix and one of the
two is inactive early on and see how it goes
from there. Yeah, or maybe her big even instead of
being the four core teams, maybe plays two to them.
You know, maybe he's punt team only or whatever, you know,
whatever he's best at or wherever your weak is that.
(33:33):
But he's a good one. I mean he's been to the
top of the team and special team snaps for a
couple of years.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
And that's that's why moving back to the running backs,
I got like DJ Thomas Jones, Yeah, has to show
that he's good on teams because Connor Hayward is.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
He is, He's one of the best two or three, yeah,
five or whatever. He's check that box times a thousand.
That's the biggest reason to steal her, right, not because
of his last name or his versatility and.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Off I still get that question. I get to you know, oh,
Connor Ayward's only on a team because his name's Hayward.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
No, no, side note, we haven't gotten to this. But
speaking of a little bit of nepotism, Brunner is going
to be a core special.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Team will be a core Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Special to me that's his whole existence in the league'll
he could be a Matti Kaevich.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Yeah, you know, for a long time, for a long time, right, Yeah,
so you look at that. I mean, they take that
very seriously.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Very seriously, and they should. There's a lot of competition
for who are the five guys that are here for
special teams? Yeah, you know, Pierre can play some corner.
He probably didn't love the Ramsey trade, but if he's
one of your gunners, you know, Scronic probably wouldn't love
if they traded for a receiver. But if he's one
of your.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Gunners, you need guys like that on your roster.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
I mean, Brunner might have a better chance of being
active on game day than guys drafted ahead of him
this year. Oh yeah, if he's a great special team
or which he definitely projects to be.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Yeah, he did do unlike Sawyer, he did do a
lot of special teams tons in Washington.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Right right right, every unit, every unit. And you know,
Mark's son and all, I mean, you know he knows,
although not that Sawyer doesn't know how to get on
the field obviously. Yeah, but Brunner was not a five
star recruit. Now go to Ohio State.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Yeah, but yeah, that's uh, it's a really good group.
It's deep, it's talented, it got deeper.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Right right, right, you know, So give a nice blend
of guys in their prime and some youth. Herbig's in.
I mean it's two years away, but Herbig's gonna be
hard to resign.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Yes, someone's gonna throw a bunch of money out him.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Yeah. Yeah, and probably will not get a second contract
with the Steelers, but he might get your third round
pick comp right, you know what I mean? And who
knows what's high Smith and water like at that stage
of his career. It's two years away. That's a lot
in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Also, why you draft Sawyer right.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Exactly. I always want to have a cheap rookie contract
guy because your starters are expensive. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
You know when you even talk about high Smith, he's really.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Good too, he's very good. Yeah, Yeah, he really is.
He might be the tenth best edge guy in the week.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Yeah. So they're pretty loaded there, But Matt, that's going
to do it for today's show. Good stuff. Absolutely, a
lot of fun. Like to thank Brian la Martine had
a big dog in today. Yeah, absolutely bringing in the
big guns there but for my partner Matt Williamson. I
(36:24):
am Dale Lalli. We want to thank you for listening
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