October 23, 2025 • 28 mins
Ed Troup and Jacob Recht read through the history of the Steelers and Packers through the decades as two of the most historic franchises face off in Week 8.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
The Green Bay Packers lead the all time series against
the Pittsburgh Steelers with a twenty and seventeen record, which
includes their victory in Super Bowl forty five. The Packers
dominated the early matchups, winning the first nine games from
nineteen thirty three to nineteen forty six, but since then
the Steelers have mounted a comeback in the series. Welcome
to another edition of the Steelers Standard. Here on Steelers
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Nation Radio, part of the Steelers Audio Network, I am
at troup Enjoining me is Jacob Wreck and Jacob. The
most significant matchup in this series occurred in that Super
Bowl forty five game back on February six, twenty eleven.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Hard to believe it was that long ago, but that was.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
The last time the Steelers played in a Super Bowl,
where the Packers defeated the Steelers thirty one to twenty five.
Then quarterback for the Packers, Aaron Rodgers was named Super
Bowl MVP of that game, and this Sunday he will
play his former team for the first time ever on
Sunday Night Football.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Yeah, I mean, it's going to be the marquee headline
of the NFL this week unless some crazy game happens
and you know, tomorrow when we reunite, we'll go through
all the games and we'll see if there's a really
good matchup. But there's a reason this game, excuse me,
it was build for Sunday night football. This is his
first game back. This is as big as Brett Favre
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when he done the Minnesota Vikings Jersey. It's just so ironic, right,
how both guys went to the Jets, and then both
guys moved on to a second team after that, but
neither guy played against the Packers when he was when
they were wearing that Jets uniform. If you remember when
Brett Farv played against Green Bay for the first time,
it was a Monday night game, Minnesota at green Bay.
I think Brett Farv won that game because he left.
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I think when Aaron Rodgers first took over, that team
wasn't as good as when he got to be his
his peak Aaron in peak Aaron Rodgers form. But yeah,
it's just ironic how the circumstances continued to mirror each other.
But this is by far one of the biggest headline.
I mean, you know, the Steelers and Jets faced off
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in Week one because the NFL loved how much that
the Steelers were having to face their former quarterback the
same time that the Jets were having to face their
former quarterback. But obviously as much as people wanted to
pint out as the Jets being the revenge game for
Aaron Rodgers, this right here on Sunday Night, this is
the revenge game because you have to also remember the
context too of when not only of him getting to
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New York, but how he got to New York, the
circumstances of which he left Green Bay. I mean, he
basically ran Mike McCarthy out of Green Bay, he reportedly. Now,
I think since he's been in Pittsburgh we may have
softened on these rumors. But it didn't seem like he
was taking too kindly to their organization drafting the future
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guy and Jordan Love while he was still there, similar
to how when Brett Favre was there and the Packers
drafted Aaron Rodgers in two thousand and five, Brett Farv
didn't take too kindly to that wake up call of oh,
they're eventual are going to have to move on for me.
But it does sound like since Aaron Rodgers has come
to Pittsburgh, we've really learned that those rumors about him
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being a cancer to the locker room are a little
harsher than what we know to be. I mean, Jordan
Love has said nothing but good things. Maybe this is
Jordan Love, you know, doing the right thing and taking
the high road. But Aaron Rodgers has also done the
same since he's come here, said I really loved playing
with Jordan and I really love the ability to kind
of coach him, and you know I learned something from
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him as well. But yes, and then having the disagreements
with Matt Lafleur, even though all week long, both Rogers
and Lafour I've said, yeah, we had a great relationship,
nothing bad happened. Well, we know that wasn't entirely of
the case, because Aaron Rodgers could have stayed for a
little bit longer, maybe at least one more season, and
maybe the ending would have been a little more amicable
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than it actually was. Yeah, this is the revenge game
for Aaron Rodgers. There's a long history between him and
that frame. And remember he played there for what six
or eighteen years something like that. It was an incredibly
long time. Won a super Bowl there, won a league high,
tied for first four NFL MVPs while he was there.
It's just his run during his running green Bay was
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was absolutely remarkable, remarkable. It's it's historic, and Sunday Nights
matchup will be the next chapter in that historic timeline
of Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
And I have those stats from Aaron Rodgers in his
days with the Green Bay Packers, which we'll get to
here in just a second. But just one follow up
point from what you just said. The equivalent of Rogers
going to the Vikings when he left Green Bay would
be like Big Ben going to the Browns.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Right, sure, Remember you have to go to like the
Tampa Bay Buccaneers or like the New Orleans Saints for
two years and then come back to the Browns. Right, Yeah, exactly,
just the way Farv and Rogers had to take one
quick detour.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
I meant. What I meant to say was far of
going to the Yeah, yeah, Rot Rodgers Rogers going to
the Jets. Yeah, the good comparison. Okay, let's get into
our Steelers food for thought as we move road and
Farv and Big Ben I even bring up into all
these different categories and scenarios where they played out their career.
But Ben stayed here, as we all know, here a
lifeer Pittsburgh Steeler. Our three top bowllet points of the week.
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The first one is what Jacob was just talking about.
Aaron Rodgers. He was drafted and played eighteen seasons with
the Green Bay Packers, the Steelers opponent at Akershore Stadium
this Sunday night on Sunday Night Football. He went one
fifty seventy nine and one in two hundred and thirty
games played with the pack Rogers, threw for just over
fifty nine thousand yards, a franchise record four hundred and
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seventy five touchdown passes, and he also made a Green
Bay record ten time Pro Bowls and was NFL MVP
four times in twenty eleven, twenty fourteen, twenty twenty and
twenty twenty one. Make no doubt about it. This is
the revenge game for Aaron Rodgers this Sunday against the Packers.
And he said all the right things this week, by
the way, and he referenced far of going to the
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Vikings as a comparison of how more hot that was
from our rival standpoint in him coming here to Pittsburgh
and playing for a franchise that's quite frankly, Jacob A
lot like green Bay. Green Bay and Pittsburgh, two old
NFL franchises with a lot of Lombardi history behind it
and a lot of football passion with their fan base.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Yeah, I mean, I think these are the two most
historic franchises in the NFL, right, I mean, the Packers
are the most successful NFL franchise when it comes to
pre the pre super Bowl era with their Super Bowl
or not super Bowl NFL championships, one under Vince Lombardi
and Bart Starr, that historic duo, and then you also
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mirror that with their their ability to win under Brett
fav and Aaron Rodgers, and now they have Jordan Love
and the Steelers of course have arguably the greatest dynasty
in NFL history, winning four out of six in the
super Bowl era and then having continued to continue to
sex they got to a Super Bowl in the nineties,
it got to to three in the odds, winning two
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out of three. They have also two Hall of Fame
quarterback How many franchises can say they have even one,
let alone two. I think it's basically, let's say the Colts,
but that's kind of iffy because Johnny, you played in
Baltimore and then they got Payton eventually, and I know
the Broncos had l Way and then I guess anybody
was only there for the tail end of his career.
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Of course, you can say the Niners, between Montana and Young,
the Packers, the Steelers. I mean, there's it's a very
short list of teams with as great success as the
Steelers and the Packers. But I think to your point
ed this is this could be billed as a Sunday
night game even without the Rogers rivalry or the Rogers
revenge angle added on to it, just because, like you said,
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these are two of the most historic franchises in the NFL,
and even so recently they're They're both successful.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
I know, excuse me, they're both successful.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
I know the Steelers haven't had as much playoff success
as of their teams, but they are still as relevant
as any other team in the pasts do the same thing.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
I mean, when was the last time you.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Weren't talking about the Packers as a legitimate playoff team.
I mean before Brett farv right, I mean, how far back?
How far back are we going?
Speaker 1 (08:10):
They went through a stretch I think in the eighties
with their struggles prior too far, as they.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Always had him there.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Rogers always had him there and now Loves got him
there pretty much every.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Year, as as did the Steelers, by the way, with
their struggles between Bradshaw and Big Ben. Okay, our second
bowl point of the week, speaking on that history of
these two franchises. The Steelers will debut their new throwback
nineteen thirty three jerseys this Sunday night for the first time.
They are four and oh in alternative uniform debuts. And
here's the breakdown. Jacob After the other day we talked
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about this. We were trying to off the top of
our head figure it out. I looked it up. Here's
the breakdown. From seven to twenty eleven, the Steelers were
those seventy fifth anniversary That was their seventy fifth anniversary
season throwbacks. They went seven to three during that stretch
when they wore them. The twenty twelve to twenty sixteen
Bumblebee uniforms. You definitely love those, definitely remember that. Well.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
I shouldn't say love, but I like them more than
the Kurt whatever they're wearing on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
My son Ryan, who was born in twenty ten, the
end of twenty ten. That was the first football jersey
we bought him when he's like three years old with
Big Ben on Big Ben Bumblee Bumblebee.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
He still has.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
It doesn't fit him an he's fourteen now, so it
doesn't fit him anywhere near it. But that was his
first NFL jersey ever.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Kind of cool. Three and two.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
The Steelers went with the Bumblebee uniforms between twelve and sixteen.
Eighteen to twenty four it was the seventies throwback uniforms,
which I'm guessing are the block letterings that they've worn
six and O undefeated, they haven't lost when they've worn those,
and then sixteen to present the color Rush jerseys get
them to eight and three. So for those just four
throwback jerseys when they've debuted those, they've won every time
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all four times they've worn those for the first time,
they are four and oh, so twenty four and eight
overall when wearing a non traditional Pittsburgh Steeler black and
gold uniforms. So the nineteen thirty three throwback uniforms feature
the gold helmets, the nineteen thirty three jersey stripes on
the jerseys, block numbers on the jerseys, the Pittsburgh city
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logos in the corner, the City of Pittsburgh logo and
then the nineteen thirty three khaki pants. I don't mind
the uniform as much, Jacob, but the pants I can
do without. And they wore those back and we referenced
the Kaket Banza Gross nineteen ninety four when they did
the fiftieth anniversary of the NFL, they wore those throwbacks
to the City of Pittsburgh got emblem. They do have
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that emblem on these, but it's small, it's up in
the corner. But yeah, the khaki pants just that doesn't
do it for me. And the Green Bay Packers when
they have their throwbacks to the thirties, I think they
were the same thing. I think it's those old school
khaki colored pants. But your thoughts on the I know
you're not a fan of these, but we're gonna see
them Sunday regardless.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Now, not a fan of them, And it honestly led
to the Packers having to make some adjustments on their own.
Remember they always tried out home or away with the
yellow helmets. But because of avoiding some confusion, and rightfully
so on their part, they said we're gonna try out
with are all white.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
So that's two weeks in a row.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Now you'll see teams playing in all whites when taking
on the Steelers.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Remember the Bengals had theirs last week the pack.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
I honestly don't think I knew that the Packers had
the white helmet. I thought maybe I knew they had
the all white jerseys, but I definitely don't remember them
having the all white helmets to match. So yeah, I
mean smart on their part too, I think it would
been it would have been very, very tough to make
heads or tails when having two sets of yellow helmets
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out there.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Our last bullet point of the week and the Mike
Tomlin press conference on Tuesday, he referenced, we have to
stop the run more effectively, turned the ball over twice
and didn't take it away. Negative too for the night
and in a hostile environment like that, it is not
going to get the job done. And finally, highly penalized again,
you have to clean all that up this week. So
tom and touched on what we talked about the day
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after and what we've talked about since they got to
get better with the penalties.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
The penalties the last couple of weeks have been high.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
They got to get back where they were at the
beginning of the season when they weren't highly penalized. They've
been a team that was plus seven most of the
season in the turnover category. Now they have gone a
couple games with no turnovers, and they turned it over
twice last week with two Aaron Rodgers interceptions, So you
have to turn that going to the other side where
you're more in the plus category and stopping the run,
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as we know, has been a factor early in the season.
They cleaned it up there in the middle against the
Vikings and Browns, So hopefully it's just a speed bump
of this twenty twenty five season what we saw last
Thursday night with them giving up the big running game
to Chase Brown and the Cincinnati Bengals.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Yeah, I mean, turnovers are how they win games, right.
We know they don't stop teams from gaining yards. They
give up the most yards per drive in the NFL
so far this year, So we know their red and
butter twinning games is getting those turnovers, which they haven't
done in each of the last two weeks. Remember they
adn't force any of this past week against Cincinnati, they
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did the same thing against Cleveland, even though that Cleveland
offense is pretty bad. Had your chances, but you didn't
really take advantage of that. So if you want a
shot at slowing down Jordan Love and Josh Jacobs and company,
you have to force the turnovers ed because we have
I can't just magically say or I can't just say, hey,
stop giving up the most amount of yards per driving.
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I could give up on average like thirty seven yards
per drive, and that's that's in the bottom of the league.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
I can't just say that stop doing that.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
And they're magically gonna turn things around in one game
against a really good offense. So the only way for
it here is to get back to forcing those those turnovers.
But we know how good of a passer, how accurate
of a passer Jordan Love is, and how good of
a running back Josh Jacobs is at protecting the football
as well. So I just don't I don't know where
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the turnovers are gonna come from.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Let's dive into the Steelers Packers history here for our
Steelers Food for Thoughts segment. As the Steelers all time
record against the Green Bay Packers seventeen and twenty. So
the Packers have a three game edge in this series.
The first meeting took place on October fifteenth, nineteen thirty three.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
So there you go.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
We're talking about the nineteen thirty three throwback of the
UNFO first season. First season they played the Packers.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Well, I guess at that point there were only like,
what like eighteams in the league, so I guess I
never one.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
I had to pretty much play each other. Yeah, not many,
but kind of cool.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
And that just kind of goes along with what you
and I were talking about about the historic significant part
of this game, this Sunday between two NFL franchises that
were there from the very beginning. The largest victory for
the Green Bay Packers was that nineteen thirty three.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Game they won forty seven to nothing.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
They shut the Black and Gold out in their first
meeting back in nineteen thirty three. The Steelers biggest margin
of victory was a thirty eight to seven victory in
nineteen forty eight. Longest win streak in this series for
the Packers was nine games from nineteen thirty three to
nineteen forty six. The Steelers, meanwhile, they won four straight.
They only met four times between nineteen seventy five. In
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nineteen eighty six. So during that eleven year period, and
the first part of that being those Steelers Super Bowl
teams of the seventies, the Steelers won four straight when these.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Two teams met.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Only once have they met in the postseason, and rightfully so,
it's NFC versus AFC, So if they're going to meet,
it's going to be in the Super Bowl, and it
happened one time in Super Bowl forty five, in which
the Steelers lost to the.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Green Bay Packers.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Recent matchups, the most recent matchup, Jacob, I want to
get your thoughts on each one of these games. I
got some good recent games as well as some dramatic
finishes in early season games between these two franchises. Back
on November twelfth, twenty twenty three, so just about two
years ago, the Steelers beat the Packers the last time
they met twenty three to nineteen. That win continued a
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Steelers streak of home wins against the Packers, bringing their
total to five in a row Akishore Stadium. So that's
something we haven't talked about yet. Yeah, the Steelers are
in a five game win streak against the Packers at home.
The Steelers stealed the win when safety de Monte Kyz
intercepted Packers quarterback Jordan Love on the final play of
the game at the two yard line.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Do you remember that game?
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Of course, I think the Steers. Actually I don't remember
the defense as much, but I remember the offense. I
think they ran for over two hundred yards that day.
So yeah, shout out to Demante Casey, who's actually still
in the league. I think he's in Cleveland or Cincinnati,
one of the two AFC North. Yeah he's I mean
that's just what the AFC North does, right, They just
pick up. They just take each other's trash and use
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them for their own. Yeah, Casey is still around. But again,
like I said, that game specifically, I remember the two
hundred yards on rushing on the on the ground more
so than I remember anything else.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
That was a Sunday night game. No, that was just
like a Sunday one o'clock game. Yeah, that's right, it was.
It was in the afternoon. I remember.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
I remember being around the city and seeing a lot
of Packers fans, which I think we can also predict
for tonight. Given also two that the whole Aaron Rodgers things.
I'm sure a lot of those fans will want to
be in the in the stadium for that moment to
see their former quarterback.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Absolutely playing Rogers. I remember the Packers fans being very nice.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
I mean, they lived up to the Midwestern you know, kindness.
I don't want to call it a stereotype because that
would imply that it's bad. They lived up to that
Midwestern just good natured ability of theirs. Every Packers fan
I met throughout that weekend was one of the nicest
people that you'll meet, especially in the way they conducted
themselves too. You know a lot of times fans will
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travel and kind of chirp, but not the Packers fans.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
They were all very all very polite.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
October third, twenty twenty one, the Packers defeat the Steelers
twenty seven to seventeen. The most recent Packers win took
place at lambeau Field, in which Aaron rodgers for the
Packers through two touchdown passes and Mason Crosby made two
clutch field goals to help the Packers win that game.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
This was the game.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
If you remember two things, kind I know, I feel
like I know where you're going with one of them,
but hit me all right.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
So first is when Aaron Rodgers winks at Mike Tomlin. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
there was a brome trying to get him to jump
off side. They're trying to get the free play and
Tomlin knew exactly what he was doing. Call the time out.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
They had their first moment of affection for each other,
which obviously led to all these years later them playing together.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Yeah, Rodgers win to Tom when he has a big
grin and smiled and not head nod back to him.
The other part was the Mega Fitzpatrick blockfield goal before halftime.
I don't know if you remember this, don't remember that
it was It would.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Have been huge.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
He blocks the field goal, the steers returned for a touchdown,
but instant replay or I don't know if it was
a replay that came back.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
On it for leverage. That's that's all. It always gets
people awful call, awful call.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
It's it's the rule, as my buddy Jean Saratory will
tell you, and it's just the rule.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
I don't I'm with you, though, I agree. I think
it's a dumb rule.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
I don't know why that can't be used, but lo
and behold, I mean Mega Fitzpatrick though like he had
an act for blocking field goals, whether it was up
the mail or from the side. But yeah, I don't remember.
Maybe I don't remember it because it was overruled and.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
And if I remember right, i'd have to go back
and look. I think they blocked it a second time
and they were called off side.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
I think it was right before halftime. I think it
was back to back plays.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
But the Meca Patrick Meka Fitzpatrick play was very dramatic
because they returned it the other way and it was
called back for that and the leverage, and then I
think it was and I can't remember it.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Was it Joe Hayden or somebody that came off with
Joe sail on the team. He might have been. I'm
thinking it was one of those veteran corners that they
had back then, Joe Hayden.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
By the way, another example of a C North teams
is taking up scraps from another team, right and the.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Steelers that they got Patrick Queen and Chuck Clark from
the Ravens right now, hey, And I mean.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Remember the Browns also have Devin Bush.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
They do, and he had he led the team and
tackles against them, By the way, I was Manta Case
is still in the Browns roster.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
There you go, And I remember hearing his name like
at all. Two weeks.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
We like didn't talk about it. We didn't even talk
about him being there. So not making too much of
an impact.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Other games in this Steeler pack or Packers robbery or
historic robberiy we should say, because they're so old NFL
franchises twenty seventeen. The Steelers defeat the Packers thirty one
to twenty eight. It was a Sunday night football match
and maybe this was the Sunday night game.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
I was thinking, this is a good one ingreen Bay.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Yeah, yep, and it was on November twenty six, twenty seventeen.
Featured multi lee changes, Steelers kicker Chris Boswell HiT's a
fifty three yard field goal as time expired, and the
Steelers defeat the Packers.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Yeah, that was a good one. That was in the snow.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Also, I believe Le'Veon Bell had a big game that
that weekend. I think this was one of the times
where William Gay had one of his many pick sixes.
If it wasn't Willie Gay was someone else, but the
asterisks on this game. It wasn't Aaron Rodgers at quarterback.
I'm pretty sure it was Matt Flynn. It's not another backup,
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but that was something that was the Steelers just had
to take advantage of. It is that it wasn't Aaron
Rodgers out there, but it's also something that people held
against them that you didn't go into Green Bay and
actually beat Rogers.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
A couple other dramatic finishes. Back in December twenty second,
twenty thirteen, Steelers thirty eight, Packers thirty one. This was
also a snowy game at lambeau Field, the Steelers out
last year. That's the one I'm now you think I'm
thinking of, That's the one I'm thinking of. This was, uh,
this was, as I'm just getting to the game recap here,
snowy game at lambeau Field, the Steelers out last of
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the Packers, who were without injured quarterback Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Here's your game.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Okay, here's your game, Jacob. But good memory though just
a few years was kind of right. I was kind
of you were only.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Four years off, so you're in the wheelhouse the game.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
I remember the twenty seventeen Oh you know what, I
do remember that game because that game was. That game
was in Pittsburgh, and that was a crazy like you said,
back and forth and then Boss hit like a fifty
some yardfield goal to win fifty three fifty three.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
That was the seventeen game.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
So this is the thirteen game in Green Bay, snowy,
Matt Flynn scrambles at the end and the Steelers recover
a fumble to secure victory thirty eight to thirty one.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
So now that I have my timelines right, if you remember,
the one thing that stuck out from the twenty seventeen
matchup might have been Antonio Brown's best catch he's ever
had in his career. It was a third and long
the Steelers had to convert if they wanted to get
in position to the field goal. It was on the sideline.
I don't know how Ben Gott, I don't know. No,
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not the helmet catch. No, it was just on a
sideline grab. I'll send you the video of it after,
But just his ability to catch the ball where his
body was out of balance and then do his signature
toe drag. Chris Collinsworth called it one of the best
catches he had ever seen. But yeah, I remember that game,
and I also remember twenty thirteen in the snow that
one in Green Bay.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Tony two tap, It's called ab I always talk to
my sons about that when they tried to practice sideline catches.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
I call him Tony two tap. Okay.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
December twentieth, two thousand and nine, Steelers thirty seven, Packers
thirty six. Ben Roethlisberger completes a game winning nineteen yard
touchdown pass to Mike Wallace with no time left on
the clock. Rookie Mike Wallace. Rookie Mike Wallace. The game
was a high scoring affair that saw multiple lee changes
multiple times in the final fourth quarter, but it was
Big Ben to Mike Wallace nineteen yards for the game winner.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Back in two thousand and nine. Yeah, I don't think
anyone forgets this game, right.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
This was a wild back and forth, one of the
biggest Gunslinger matchups the Steelers have seen. And then, like
you said, just if you also remember too, Mike Wallace
had the game winning touched on at the very end.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
But if you remember as well, the game opened up.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
I think it was the first play from scrimmage for
the Steelers, Big Ben to Mike Wallace down the near sideline.
It was like a seventy five yard touchdown pass, one
of the beauties that Ben just let it rip and Wallace,
who was so young at the time and so speedy,
was able to track it down and get into the
end zone. Yeah, what a way to start that game.
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And then obviously the way it finished as well. I mean,
an all time great finish to a Steelers game at
home as especially for a win that that sideline another
toe tap catch, But this tign by Mike Wallace.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
If it's one thing that proves anything else, this game
Sunday could be another classic. Because we just went through
five in the last fifteen years of classic Steeler Packer games.
I still have four more for you. But Jacob, unfortunately
for you, they're all before you were born, and they
were when I.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Was gonna say, because I don't remember, you said the
Steelers have a five game win streak against the Packers
at home home. I don't remember them losing at home
to the Packers.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
That's because you weren't alive my last time that happened.
But I do remember at least he's next next two. Now,
the last two I wasn't alive yet, so you know
I'm getting there. I'm creeping back, but this is when
I was a teenager. The first nineteen ninety eight Steelers
defeat the Packers twenty seven to twenty on Monday Night
Football at three Rivers Stadium on November ninth, nineteen ninety eight.
The Steelers jumped out to a twenty seven tozering lead.
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They had complete control of the game, but the Packers
rally for twenty unanswered points, including an eighty eight yard
fumble return for a touchdown. Steelers running backs erome bettis
my favorite NFL player of all time. If you ever
get to my game room, Jacob, which I'll have you
over some time, you will see that there's better stuff everywhere.
He sealed the victory in the final minutes of the
game with a Steeler touchdown as they defeat the Packers
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twenty seven to twenty in nineteen ninety eight. And I'll
give you one other one in the nineties that I
definitely remember. This game Packers twenty four Steelers nineteen. On
December twenty fourth, Christmas Eve, nineteen ninety five, the Packers
beat the steel to secure their first NFC Central Division
title since nineteen seventy two. That was a big deal.
With Brett Favre and the Packers. The game was decided
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when the Steelers pass intended for wide receiver Ernie Mills,
one of the great receivers for the Steelers in the nineties,
was deflected by a Packers defender and caught by Steelers
running back John L. Williams for a touchdown, only to
be ruled an incomplete pass because of a receiver ineligible
in the end zone role back then, so they called
off the winning touchdown.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
It was a big controversial play. John L.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Williams the bus driver for Jerome Bettis back in the nineties.
So those are two ninety games on which these two
franchises met. Two historic matchups. In the last two to
two early season games, I wasn't alive for I was
born in.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Eighty Okay, good, So if you weren't alive, then I
feel even better about not remember.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Yeah, you won't remember these well. Actually I would have
been alive for this one. I would have been less
than a year old, because this would have been doesn't count,
you get tack, You're live.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
I Tom our good buddy, Tom Offer and I always
debate about when when does things count? About being alive?
If you can remember that counts. If you were too young,
if you were so in your infancy that you can't remember,
then don't hold it against yourself.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Wow, this was the year nineteen eighty. I don't have
the I do November second, nineteen eighty. Yes, I would
have been less than a year. I was born in
February of eighty. So Steelers defeat the Packers twenty two
to twenty. The Steelers narrowly beat the Packers at three
Rivers Stadium on November second, nineteen eighty. That's the only
note I have, so it must not have been too notable.
And then the back in nineteen seventy. One other note
here before we wrap up this segment. Packers twenty, Steelers
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twelve on December sixth, nineteen seventy, in the first game
between the two teams the post Lombardi era. How about
that the Packers defeat the Steelers. Future Hall of Fame
quarterback Bart Starr, in his final season as a player,
led the comeback with two touchdown passes in the second half.
The Packers took advantage of six Steeler turnovers to win
the defensive battle twenty to twelve. In nineteen seventy, That
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is how historic this series is between the Packers and
Steelers great stuff.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean, I like we talked about at
the beginning, just how these two teams really are the
face of the NFL. I mean, there are other teams
that you can maybe throw in there. I know Cowboys
fans will say you can't tell the history of the
NFL without the Cowboys, but really, when it comes down
to it, just consistently how great they've both been for
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decades and spanning different dynasties, were different eras of greatness.
It's just it's a historic matchup. And like I said earlier,
even if the Rogers thing wasn't a part of this game,
you could still have builled this as this Sunday night
football matchup for this week.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
We do this exercise each and every week here on
the standard, where we point out the historic matchups between
the two teams. But this is the first time this year,
and we've already done the Browns one. We had a
lot of history too with obviously with Cleveland Pittsburgh, but
this is the first non AFC North game that we've
broken down with so much history.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
I guess the Patriots too. Okay, I take back what
I should, Jacob.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
There's been a lot, but this one I feel like
is more historic because it goes all the way back
to nineteen thirty three.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
So there you go.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
The Patriots one did not as old as it get.
For the Steelers in Cleveland goes back that far too.
But yeah, really good history between these two teams, and
another chapter to be written this upcoming Sunday at Akushore Stadium,
when Jacob and I come back, We're going to talk
to Ray Fittlpalto of the Pittsburgh Postcasette get his thoughts
on Packers Steelers this upcoming Sunday. It is the Steeler
Standard with Ed Troup and Jacob brect here on Steelers
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Nation Radio, part of the Steelers Audio Network
The Green Bay Packers lead the all time series against
the Pittsburgh Steelers with a twenty and seventeen record, which
includes their victory in Super Bowl forty five. The Packers
dominated the early matchups, winning the first nine games from
nineteen thirty three to nineteen forty six, but since then
the Steelers have mounted a comeback in the series. Welcome
to another edition of the Steelers Standard. Here on Steelers
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Nation Radio, part of the Steelers Audio Network, I am
at troup Enjoining me is Jacob Wreck and Jacob. The
most significant matchup in this series occurred in that Super
Bowl forty five game back on February six, twenty eleven.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Hard to believe it was that long ago, but that was.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
The last time the Steelers played in a Super Bowl,
where the Packers defeated the Steelers thirty one to twenty five.
Then quarterback for the Packers, Aaron Rodgers was named Super
Bowl MVP of that game, and this Sunday he will
play his former team for the first time ever on
Sunday Night Football.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Yeah, I mean, it's going to be the marquee headline
of the NFL this week unless some crazy game happens
and you know, tomorrow when we reunite, we'll go through
all the games and we'll see if there's a really
good matchup. But there's a reason this game, excuse me,
it was build for Sunday night football. This is his
first game back. This is as big as Brett Favre
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when he done the Minnesota Vikings Jersey. It's just so ironic, right,
how both guys went to the Jets, and then both
guys moved on to a second team after that, but
neither guy played against the Packers when he was when
they were wearing that Jets uniform. If you remember when
Brett Farv played against Green Bay for the first time,
it was a Monday night game, Minnesota at green Bay.
I think Brett Farv won that game because he left.
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I think when Aaron Rodgers first took over, that team
wasn't as good as when he got to be his
his peak Aaron in peak Aaron Rodgers form. But yeah,
it's just ironic how the circumstances continued to mirror each other.
But this is by far one of the biggest headline.
I mean, you know, the Steelers and Jets faced off
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in Week one because the NFL loved how much that
the Steelers were having to face their former quarterback the
same time that the Jets were having to face their
former quarterback. But obviously as much as people wanted to
pint out as the Jets being the revenge game for
Aaron Rodgers, this right here on Sunday Night, this is
the revenge game because you have to also remember the
context too of when not only of him getting to
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New York, but how he got to New York, the
circumstances of which he left Green Bay. I mean, he
basically ran Mike McCarthy out of Green Bay, he reportedly. Now,
I think since he's been in Pittsburgh we may have
softened on these rumors. But it didn't seem like he
was taking too kindly to their organization drafting the future
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guy and Jordan Love while he was still there, similar
to how when Brett Favre was there and the Packers
drafted Aaron Rodgers in two thousand and five, Brett Farv
didn't take too kindly to that wake up call of oh,
they're eventual are going to have to move on for me.
But it does sound like since Aaron Rodgers has come
to Pittsburgh, we've really learned that those rumors about him
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being a cancer to the locker room are a little
harsher than what we know to be. I mean, Jordan
Love has said nothing but good things. Maybe this is
Jordan Love, you know, doing the right thing and taking
the high road. But Aaron Rodgers has also done the
same since he's come here, said I really loved playing
with Jordan and I really love the ability to kind
of coach him, and you know I learned something from
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him as well. But yes, and then having the disagreements
with Matt Lafleur, even though all week long, both Rogers
and Lafour I've said, yeah, we had a great relationship,
nothing bad happened. Well, we know that wasn't entirely of
the case, because Aaron Rodgers could have stayed for a
little bit longer, maybe at least one more season, and
maybe the ending would have been a little more amicable
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than it actually was. Yeah, this is the revenge game
for Aaron Rodgers. There's a long history between him and
that frame. And remember he played there for what six
or eighteen years something like that. It was an incredibly
long time. Won a super Bowl there, won a league high,
tied for first four NFL MVPs while he was there.
It's just his run during his running green Bay was
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was absolutely remarkable, remarkable. It's it's historic, and Sunday Nights
matchup will be the next chapter in that historic timeline
of Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
And I have those stats from Aaron Rodgers in his
days with the Green Bay Packers, which we'll get to
here in just a second. But just one follow up
point from what you just said. The equivalent of Rogers
going to the Vikings when he left Green Bay would
be like Big Ben going to the Browns.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Right, sure, Remember you have to go to like the
Tampa Bay Buccaneers or like the New Orleans Saints for
two years and then come back to the Browns. Right, Yeah, exactly,
just the way Farv and Rogers had to take one
quick detour.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
I meant. What I meant to say was far of
going to the Yeah, yeah, Rot Rodgers Rogers going to
the Jets. Yeah, the good comparison. Okay, let's get into
our Steelers food for thought as we move road and
Farv and Big Ben I even bring up into all
these different categories and scenarios where they played out their career.
But Ben stayed here, as we all know, here a
lifeer Pittsburgh Steeler. Our three top bowllet points of the week.
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The first one is what Jacob was just talking about.
Aaron Rodgers. He was drafted and played eighteen seasons with
the Green Bay Packers, the Steelers opponent at Akershore Stadium
this Sunday night on Sunday Night Football. He went one
fifty seventy nine and one in two hundred and thirty
games played with the pack Rogers, threw for just over
fifty nine thousand yards, a franchise record four hundred and
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seventy five touchdown passes, and he also made a Green
Bay record ten time Pro Bowls and was NFL MVP
four times in twenty eleven, twenty fourteen, twenty twenty and
twenty twenty one. Make no doubt about it. This is
the revenge game for Aaron Rodgers this Sunday against the Packers.
And he said all the right things this week, by
the way, and he referenced far of going to the
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Vikings as a comparison of how more hot that was
from our rival standpoint in him coming here to Pittsburgh
and playing for a franchise that's quite frankly, Jacob A
lot like green Bay. Green Bay and Pittsburgh, two old
NFL franchises with a lot of Lombardi history behind it
and a lot of football passion with their fan base.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Yeah, I mean, I think these are the two most
historic franchises in the NFL, right, I mean, the Packers
are the most successful NFL franchise when it comes to
pre the pre super Bowl era with their Super Bowl
or not super Bowl NFL championships, one under Vince Lombardi
and Bart Starr, that historic duo, and then you also
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mirror that with their their ability to win under Brett
fav and Aaron Rodgers, and now they have Jordan Love
and the Steelers of course have arguably the greatest dynasty
in NFL history, winning four out of six in the
super Bowl era and then having continued to continue to
sex they got to a Super Bowl in the nineties,
it got to to three in the odds, winning two
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out of three. They have also two Hall of Fame
quarterback How many franchises can say they have even one,
let alone two. I think it's basically, let's say the Colts,
but that's kind of iffy because Johnny, you played in
Baltimore and then they got Payton eventually, and I know
the Broncos had l Way and then I guess anybody
was only there for the tail end of his career.
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Of course, you can say the Niners, between Montana and Young,
the Packers, the Steelers. I mean, there's it's a very
short list of teams with as great success as the
Steelers and the Packers. But I think to your point
ed this is this could be billed as a Sunday
night game even without the Rogers rivalry or the Rogers
revenge angle added on to it, just because, like you said,
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these are two of the most historic franchises in the NFL,
and even so recently they're They're both successful.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
I know, excuse me, they're both successful.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
I know the Steelers haven't had as much playoff success
as of their teams, but they are still as relevant
as any other team in the pasts do the same thing.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
I mean, when was the last time you.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Weren't talking about the Packers as a legitimate playoff team.
I mean before Brett farv right, I mean, how far back?
How far back are we going?
Speaker 1 (08:10):
They went through a stretch I think in the eighties
with their struggles prior too far, as they.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Always had him there.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Rogers always had him there and now Loves got him
there pretty much every.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Year, as as did the Steelers, by the way, with
their struggles between Bradshaw and Big Ben. Okay, our second
bowl point of the week, speaking on that history of
these two franchises. The Steelers will debut their new throwback
nineteen thirty three jerseys this Sunday night for the first time.
They are four and oh in alternative uniform debuts. And
here's the breakdown. Jacob After the other day we talked
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about this. We were trying to off the top of
our head figure it out. I looked it up. Here's
the breakdown. From seven to twenty eleven, the Steelers were
those seventy fifth anniversary That was their seventy fifth anniversary
season throwbacks. They went seven to three during that stretch
when they wore them. The twenty twelve to twenty sixteen
Bumblebee uniforms. You definitely love those, definitely remember that. Well.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
I shouldn't say love, but I like them more than
the Kurt whatever they're wearing on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
My son Ryan, who was born in twenty ten, the
end of twenty ten. That was the first football jersey
we bought him when he's like three years old with
Big Ben on Big Ben Bumblee Bumblebee.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
He still has.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
It doesn't fit him an he's fourteen now, so it
doesn't fit him anywhere near it. But that was his
first NFL jersey ever.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Kind of cool. Three and two.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
The Steelers went with the Bumblebee uniforms between twelve and sixteen.
Eighteen to twenty four it was the seventies throwback uniforms,
which I'm guessing are the block letterings that they've worn
six and O undefeated, they haven't lost when they've worn those,
and then sixteen to present the color Rush jerseys get
them to eight and three. So for those just four
throwback jerseys when they've debuted those, they've won every time
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all four times they've worn those for the first time,
they are four and oh, so twenty four and eight
overall when wearing a non traditional Pittsburgh Steeler black and
gold uniforms. So the nineteen thirty three throwback uniforms feature
the gold helmets, the nineteen thirty three jersey stripes on
the jerseys, block numbers on the jerseys, the Pittsburgh city
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logos in the corner, the City of Pittsburgh logo and
then the nineteen thirty three khaki pants. I don't mind
the uniform as much, Jacob, but the pants I can
do without. And they wore those back and we referenced
the Kaket Banza Gross nineteen ninety four when they did
the fiftieth anniversary of the NFL, they wore those throwbacks
to the City of Pittsburgh got emblem. They do have
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that emblem on these, but it's small, it's up in
the corner. But yeah, the khaki pants just that doesn't
do it for me. And the Green Bay Packers when
they have their throwbacks to the thirties, I think they
were the same thing. I think it's those old school
khaki colored pants. But your thoughts on the I know
you're not a fan of these, but we're gonna see
them Sunday regardless.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Now, not a fan of them, And it honestly led
to the Packers having to make some adjustments on their own.
Remember they always tried out home or away with the
yellow helmets. But because of avoiding some confusion, and rightfully
so on their part, they said we're gonna try out
with are all white.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
So that's two weeks in a row.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Now you'll see teams playing in all whites when taking
on the Steelers.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Remember the Bengals had theirs last week the pack.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
I honestly don't think I knew that the Packers had
the white helmet. I thought maybe I knew they had
the all white jerseys, but I definitely don't remember them
having the all white helmets to match. So yeah, I
mean smart on their part too, I think it would
been it would have been very, very tough to make
heads or tails when having two sets of yellow helmets
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out there.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Our last bullet point of the week and the Mike
Tomlin press conference on Tuesday, he referenced, we have to
stop the run more effectively, turned the ball over twice
and didn't take it away. Negative too for the night
and in a hostile environment like that, it is not
going to get the job done. And finally, highly penalized again,
you have to clean all that up this week. So
tom and touched on what we talked about the day
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after and what we've talked about since they got to
get better with the penalties.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
The penalties the last couple of weeks have been high.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
They got to get back where they were at the
beginning of the season when they weren't highly penalized. They've
been a team that was plus seven most of the
season in the turnover category. Now they have gone a
couple games with no turnovers, and they turned it over
twice last week with two Aaron Rodgers interceptions, So you
have to turn that going to the other side where
you're more in the plus category and stopping the run,
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as we know, has been a factor early in the season.
They cleaned it up there in the middle against the
Vikings and Browns, So hopefully it's just a speed bump
of this twenty twenty five season what we saw last
Thursday night with them giving up the big running game
to Chase Brown and the Cincinnati Bengals.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Yeah, I mean, turnovers are how they win games, right.
We know they don't stop teams from gaining yards. They
give up the most yards per drive in the NFL
so far this year, So we know their red and
butter twinning games is getting those turnovers, which they haven't
done in each of the last two weeks. Remember they
adn't force any of this past week against Cincinnati, they
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did the same thing against Cleveland, even though that Cleveland
offense is pretty bad. Had your chances, but you didn't
really take advantage of that. So if you want a
shot at slowing down Jordan Love and Josh Jacobs and company,
you have to force the turnovers ed because we have
I can't just magically say or I can't just say, hey,
stop giving up the most amount of yards per driving.
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I could give up on average like thirty seven yards
per drive, and that's that's in the bottom of the league.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
I can't just say that stop doing that.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
And they're magically gonna turn things around in one game
against a really good offense. So the only way for
it here is to get back to forcing those those turnovers.
But we know how good of a passer, how accurate
of a passer Jordan Love is, and how good of
a running back Josh Jacobs is at protecting the football
as well. So I just don't I don't know where
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the turnovers are gonna come from.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Let's dive into the Steelers Packers history here for our
Steelers Food for Thoughts segment. As the Steelers all time
record against the Green Bay Packers seventeen and twenty. So
the Packers have a three game edge in this series.
The first meeting took place on October fifteenth, nineteen thirty three.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
So there you go.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
We're talking about the nineteen thirty three throwback of the
UNFO first season. First season they played the Packers.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Well, I guess at that point there were only like,
what like eighteams in the league, so I guess I
never one.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
I had to pretty much play each other. Yeah, not many,
but kind of cool.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
And that just kind of goes along with what you
and I were talking about about the historic significant part
of this game, this Sunday between two NFL franchises that
were there from the very beginning. The largest victory for
the Green Bay Packers was that nineteen thirty three.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Game they won forty seven to nothing.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
They shut the Black and Gold out in their first
meeting back in nineteen thirty three. The Steelers biggest margin
of victory was a thirty eight to seven victory in
nineteen forty eight. Longest win streak in this series for
the Packers was nine games from nineteen thirty three to
nineteen forty six. The Steelers, meanwhile, they won four straight.
They only met four times between nineteen seventy five. In
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nineteen eighty six. So during that eleven year period, and
the first part of that being those Steelers Super Bowl
teams of the seventies, the Steelers won four straight when these.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Two teams met.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Only once have they met in the postseason, and rightfully so,
it's NFC versus AFC, So if they're going to meet,
it's going to be in the Super Bowl, and it
happened one time in Super Bowl forty five, in which
the Steelers lost to the.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Green Bay Packers.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Recent matchups, the most recent matchup, Jacob, I want to
get your thoughts on each one of these games. I
got some good recent games as well as some dramatic
finishes in early season games between these two franchises. Back
on November twelfth, twenty twenty three, so just about two
years ago, the Steelers beat the Packers the last time
they met twenty three to nineteen. That win continued a
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Steelers streak of home wins against the Packers, bringing their
total to five in a row Akishore Stadium. So that's
something we haven't talked about yet. Yeah, the Steelers are
in a five game win streak against the Packers at home.
The Steelers stealed the win when safety de Monte Kyz
intercepted Packers quarterback Jordan Love on the final play of
the game at the two yard line.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Do you remember that game?
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Of course, I think the Steers. Actually I don't remember
the defense as much, but I remember the offense. I
think they ran for over two hundred yards that day.
So yeah, shout out to Demante Casey, who's actually still
in the league. I think he's in Cleveland or Cincinnati,
one of the two AFC North. Yeah he's I mean
that's just what the AFC North does, right, They just
pick up. They just take each other's trash and use
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them for their own. Yeah, Casey is still around. But again,
like I said, that game specifically, I remember the two
hundred yards on rushing on the on the ground more
so than I remember anything else.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
That was a Sunday night game. No, that was just
like a Sunday one o'clock game. Yeah, that's right, it was.
It was in the afternoon. I remember.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
I remember being around the city and seeing a lot
of Packers fans, which I think we can also predict
for tonight. Given also two that the whole Aaron Rodgers things.
I'm sure a lot of those fans will want to
be in the in the stadium for that moment to
see their former quarterback.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Absolutely playing Rogers. I remember the Packers fans being very nice.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
I mean, they lived up to the Midwestern you know, kindness.
I don't want to call it a stereotype because that
would imply that it's bad. They lived up to that
Midwestern just good natured ability of theirs. Every Packers fan
I met throughout that weekend was one of the nicest
people that you'll meet, especially in the way they conducted
themselves too. You know a lot of times fans will
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travel and kind of chirp, but not the Packers fans.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
They were all very all very polite.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
October third, twenty twenty one, the Packers defeat the Steelers
twenty seven to seventeen. The most recent Packers win took
place at lambeau Field, in which Aaron rodgers for the
Packers through two touchdown passes and Mason Crosby made two
clutch field goals to help the Packers win that game.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
This was the game.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
If you remember two things, kind I know, I feel
like I know where you're going with one of them,
but hit me all right.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
So first is when Aaron Rodgers winks at Mike Tomlin. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
there was a brome trying to get him to jump
off side. They're trying to get the free play and
Tomlin knew exactly what he was doing. Call the time out.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
They had their first moment of affection for each other,
which obviously led to all these years later them playing together.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Yeah, Rodgers win to Tom when he has a big
grin and smiled and not head nod back to him.
The other part was the Mega Fitzpatrick blockfield goal before halftime.
I don't know if you remember this, don't remember that
it was It would.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Have been huge.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
He blocks the field goal, the steers returned for a touchdown,
but instant replay or I don't know if it was
a replay that came back.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
On it for leverage. That's that's all. It always gets
people awful call, awful call.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
It's it's the rule, as my buddy Jean Saratory will
tell you, and it's just the rule.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
I don't I'm with you, though, I agree. I think
it's a dumb rule.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
I don't know why that can't be used, but lo
and behold, I mean Mega Fitzpatrick though like he had
an act for blocking field goals, whether it was up
the mail or from the side. But yeah, I don't remember.
Maybe I don't remember it because it was overruled and.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
And if I remember right, i'd have to go back
and look. I think they blocked it a second time
and they were called off side.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
I think it was right before halftime. I think it
was back to back plays.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
But the Meca Patrick Meka Fitzpatrick play was very dramatic
because they returned it the other way and it was
called back for that and the leverage, and then I
think it was and I can't remember it.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Was it Joe Hayden or somebody that came off with
Joe sail on the team. He might have been. I'm
thinking it was one of those veteran corners that they
had back then, Joe Hayden.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
By the way, another example of a C North teams
is taking up scraps from another team, right and the.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Steelers that they got Patrick Queen and Chuck Clark from
the Ravens right now, hey, And I mean.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Remember the Browns also have Devin Bush.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
They do, and he had he led the team and
tackles against them, By the way, I was Manta Case
is still in the Browns roster.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
There you go, And I remember hearing his name like
at all. Two weeks.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
We like didn't talk about it. We didn't even talk
about him being there. So not making too much of
an impact.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Other games in this Steeler pack or Packers robbery or
historic robberiy we should say, because they're so old NFL
franchises twenty seventeen. The Steelers defeat the Packers thirty one
to twenty eight. It was a Sunday night football match
and maybe this was the Sunday night game.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
I was thinking, this is a good one ingreen Bay.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Yeah, yep, and it was on November twenty six, twenty seventeen.
Featured multi lee changes, Steelers kicker Chris Boswell HiT's a
fifty three yard field goal as time expired, and the
Steelers defeat the Packers.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Yeah, that was a good one. That was in the snow.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Also, I believe Le'Veon Bell had a big game that
that weekend. I think this was one of the times
where William Gay had one of his many pick sixes.
If it wasn't Willie Gay was someone else, but the
asterisks on this game. It wasn't Aaron Rodgers at quarterback.
I'm pretty sure it was Matt Flynn. It's not another backup,
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but that was something that was the Steelers just had
to take advantage of. It is that it wasn't Aaron
Rodgers out there, but it's also something that people held
against them that you didn't go into Green Bay and
actually beat Rogers.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
A couple other dramatic finishes. Back in December twenty second,
twenty thirteen, Steelers thirty eight, Packers thirty one. This was
also a snowy game at lambeau Field, the Steelers out
last year. That's the one I'm now you think I'm
thinking of, That's the one I'm thinking of. This was, uh,
this was, as I'm just getting to the game recap here,
snowy game at lambeau Field, the Steelers out last of
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the Packers, who were without injured quarterback Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Here's your game.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Okay, here's your game, Jacob. But good memory though just
a few years was kind of right. I was kind
of you were only.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Four years off, so you're in the wheelhouse the game.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
I remember the twenty seventeen Oh you know what, I
do remember that game because that game was. That game
was in Pittsburgh, and that was a crazy like you said,
back and forth and then Boss hit like a fifty
some yardfield goal to win fifty three fifty three.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
That was the seventeen game.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
So this is the thirteen game in Green Bay, snowy,
Matt Flynn scrambles at the end and the Steelers recover
a fumble to secure victory thirty eight to thirty one.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
So now that I have my timelines right, if you remember,
the one thing that stuck out from the twenty seventeen
matchup might have been Antonio Brown's best catch he's ever
had in his career. It was a third and long
the Steelers had to convert if they wanted to get
in position to the field goal. It was on the sideline.
I don't know how Ben Gott, I don't know. No,
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not the helmet catch. No, it was just on a
sideline grab. I'll send you the video of it after,
But just his ability to catch the ball where his
body was out of balance and then do his signature
toe drag. Chris Collinsworth called it one of the best
catches he had ever seen. But yeah, I remember that game,
and I also remember twenty thirteen in the snow that
one in Green Bay.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Tony two tap, It's called ab I always talk to
my sons about that when they tried to practice sideline catches.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
I call him Tony two tap. Okay.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
December twentieth, two thousand and nine, Steelers thirty seven, Packers
thirty six. Ben Roethlisberger completes a game winning nineteen yard
touchdown pass to Mike Wallace with no time left on
the clock. Rookie Mike Wallace. Rookie Mike Wallace. The game
was a high scoring affair that saw multiple lee changes
multiple times in the final fourth quarter, but it was
Big Ben to Mike Wallace nineteen yards for the game winner.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Back in two thousand and nine. Yeah, I don't think
anyone forgets this game, right.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
This was a wild back and forth, one of the
biggest Gunslinger matchups the Steelers have seen. And then, like
you said, just if you also remember too, Mike Wallace
had the game winning touched on at the very end.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
But if you remember as well, the game opened up.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
I think it was the first play from scrimmage for
the Steelers, Big Ben to Mike Wallace down the near sideline.
It was like a seventy five yard touchdown pass, one
of the beauties that Ben just let it rip and Wallace,
who was so young at the time and so speedy,
was able to track it down and get into the
end zone. Yeah, what a way to start that game.
(23:27):
And then obviously the way it finished as well. I mean,
an all time great finish to a Steelers game at
home as especially for a win that that sideline another
toe tap catch, But this tign by Mike Wallace.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
If it's one thing that proves anything else, this game
Sunday could be another classic. Because we just went through
five in the last fifteen years of classic Steeler Packer games.
I still have four more for you. But Jacob, unfortunately
for you, they're all before you were born, and they
were when I.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Was gonna say, because I don't remember, you said the
Steelers have a five game win streak against the Packers
at home home. I don't remember them losing at home
to the Packers.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
That's because you weren't alive my last time that happened.
But I do remember at least he's next next two. Now,
the last two I wasn't alive yet, so you know
I'm getting there. I'm creeping back, but this is when
I was a teenager. The first nineteen ninety eight Steelers
defeat the Packers twenty seven to twenty on Monday Night
Football at three Rivers Stadium on November ninth, nineteen ninety eight.
The Steelers jumped out to a twenty seven tozering lead.
(24:26):
They had complete control of the game, but the Packers
rally for twenty unanswered points, including an eighty eight yard
fumble return for a touchdown. Steelers running backs erome bettis
my favorite NFL player of all time. If you ever
get to my game room, Jacob, which I'll have you
over some time, you will see that there's better stuff everywhere.
He sealed the victory in the final minutes of the
game with a Steeler touchdown as they defeat the Packers
(24:47):
twenty seven to twenty in nineteen ninety eight. And I'll
give you one other one in the nineties that I
definitely remember. This game Packers twenty four Steelers nineteen. On
December twenty fourth, Christmas Eve, nineteen ninety five, the Packers
beat the steel to secure their first NFC Central Division
title since nineteen seventy two. That was a big deal.
With Brett Favre and the Packers. The game was decided
(25:07):
when the Steelers pass intended for wide receiver Ernie Mills,
one of the great receivers for the Steelers in the nineties,
was deflected by a Packers defender and caught by Steelers
running back John L. Williams for a touchdown, only to
be ruled an incomplete pass because of a receiver ineligible
in the end zone role back then, so they called
off the winning touchdown.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
It was a big controversial play. John L.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Williams the bus driver for Jerome Bettis back in the nineties.
So those are two ninety games on which these two
franchises met. Two historic matchups. In the last two to
two early season games, I wasn't alive for I was
born in.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Eighty Okay, good, So if you weren't alive, then I
feel even better about not remember.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Yeah, you won't remember these well. Actually I would have
been alive for this one. I would have been less
than a year old, because this would have been doesn't count,
you get tack, You're live.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
I Tom our good buddy, Tom Offer and I always
debate about when when does things count? About being alive?
If you can remember that counts. If you were too young,
if you were so in your infancy that you can't remember,
then don't hold it against yourself.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Wow, this was the year nineteen eighty. I don't have
the I do November second, nineteen eighty. Yes, I would
have been less than a year. I was born in
February of eighty. So Steelers defeat the Packers twenty two
to twenty. The Steelers narrowly beat the Packers at three
Rivers Stadium on November second, nineteen eighty. That's the only
note I have, so it must not have been too notable.
And then the back in nineteen seventy. One other note
here before we wrap up this segment. Packers twenty, Steelers
(26:28):
twelve on December sixth, nineteen seventy, in the first game
between the two teams the post Lombardi era. How about
that the Packers defeat the Steelers. Future Hall of Fame
quarterback Bart Starr, in his final season as a player,
led the comeback with two touchdown passes in the second half.
The Packers took advantage of six Steeler turnovers to win
the defensive battle twenty to twelve. In nineteen seventy, That
(26:50):
is how historic this series is between the Packers and
Steelers great stuff.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean, I like we talked about at
the beginning, just how these two teams really are the
face of the NFL. I mean, there are other teams
that you can maybe throw in there. I know Cowboys
fans will say you can't tell the history of the
NFL without the Cowboys, but really, when it comes down
to it, just consistently how great they've both been for
(27:16):
decades and spanning different dynasties, were different eras of greatness.
It's just it's a historic matchup. And like I said earlier,
even if the Rogers thing wasn't a part of this game,
you could still have builled this as this Sunday night
football matchup for this week.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
We do this exercise each and every week here on
the standard, where we point out the historic matchups between
the two teams. But this is the first time this year,
and we've already done the Browns one. We had a
lot of history too with obviously with Cleveland Pittsburgh, but
this is the first non AFC North game that we've
broken down with so much history.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
I guess the Patriots too. Okay, I take back what
I should, Jacob.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
There's been a lot, but this one I feel like
is more historic because it goes all the way back
to nineteen thirty three.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
So there you go.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
The Patriots one did not as old as it get.
For the Steelers in Cleveland goes back that far too.
But yeah, really good history between these two teams, and
another chapter to be written this upcoming Sunday at Akushore Stadium,
when Jacob and I come back, We're going to talk
to Ray Fittlpalto of the Pittsburgh Postcasette get his thoughts
on Packers Steelers this upcoming Sunday. It is the Steeler
Standard with Ed Troup and Jacob brect here on Steelers
(28:20):
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