June 3, 2025 • 26 mins
Mason Rudolph rescued the team at the end of 2023, and despite being a sixth-round pick Will Howard seems to have a lot of fans already. Could the two of them be enough for the Steelers to actually be competitive in 2025, and would it even be worth it to strive for the playoffs this year.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
So we did talk a ton of quarterbacks in that
first episode. I don't know if I necessary planned it
that way, but I did want to plan on talking
about Plan B because that seems to be something that
is trying to get pushed out into the world, into
the ether. I saw Falor again say that that could
be something reasonable. Again, I saw Schreeger yesterday say something
about pursuing Kirk Cousins. So I think, as people, you know,
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trying to make their way through shows and have topics
to discuss during the NFL offseason, the Steelers are such
a popular team to go to now because of the
quarterback situation that is unfolding and will he won't he
aspect of Aaron Rodgers. So it's obvious to as you're
deciding what topics to discuss when it comes to that
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take or that topic is what would they do if
it doesn't happen? Put forward that the Plan B could
very well just be Rudolph and Howard and Skyler Thompson.
And that's why you see the Steelers being so cool
right now. And you had mentioned that, you know, you
think the fans they would be pretty cool with it too,
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like that they would be okay with that quarterback room
that they feel I don't want to say comfortable with
it to the point where they can win football games,
but that they look at it and say to themselves,
you know what, that's not terrible, like that is something
that we can work with, and it's something that we
will go into with an understanding of this might not
lead to great success in the win column or winning
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a playoff game, but we will have an understanding of
it being the appropriate thing in the current spot that
the team is in trying to build that bridge to
the twenty twenty six draft. But there is one other
angle that you have to wonder about when it comes
to this, and there is a lot of veterans in
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that locker room the defensive side of the ball pretty much.
Most notably, You've got TJ. Watt, never won a playoff game.
You've got Cam Hayward who hasn't won a playoff game
in a long time.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
And going on we're approaching ten years here.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
You've got Mika Fitzpatrick who has had no playoff success
in his career. You have got guys like Patrick Queen
who have been in the playoffs before but haven't really
been on deep deep playoff runs. I did go to
the AFC Championship game.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
The year before he came to Pittsford.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Yeah, but he wants to have postseason success. I mean,
there are guys on that team that haven't tasted a
win on that defensive side of the ball in our
all time greats, and not to put Queen in that category,
but the other three that we were talking about other
two for sure, Mica, Yeah, he's a great, but I
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don't know about all time great. He's got to have
a pretty good bounce back as far as the turnovers
are concerned. And then you look at the offensive side
of the ball, and you just signed guy from Seattle
in DK Metcalf, who is an established top two tier
receiver in the NFL, a legitimate number one guy for
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a team, and you signed him to a four year
deal and gave him all this money. And you have
to wonder what he would think and what his true
feelings would be about writing an inexperienced Will Howard or
a Mason Rudolph who has been a career backup in
the NFL, and I'm not saying that he would make
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a stink in his first year in Pittsburgh I think
that contract in that money and that changes scenery kind
of buys you a year of good behavior. But you
do wonder, and that is I think an angle to
this that is needed to be discussed is how the
veterans in that room react privately to that plan at quarterback,
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if it indeed to that plan be of Rudolph and Howard,
Because publicly, you know that they're gonna say that they
can win with those guys. They love Mason, they love Will,
they're great guys, they're great teammates. They're gonna say all
the right things. But privately, I do wonder if after
a couple of cocktails, you know, TJ puts the baby
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down and he sits with the wife and he's like,
you know, I just don't really believe that we can
win with those guys a quarterback. Maybe they do. I
would put myself in their shoes and I would be skeptical, though,
So that is an angle to this that you have
to wonder about. But then again, if TJ gets his
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contract extension, he plans on being here for another four years,
he'll be very handsomely paid to do so. I mean,
you can sell the fact that you've got a plan
in twenty twenty six, and that if you hit that
guy correctly, then the twilight of TJ's career in Pittsburgh
kind of the the Cam Hayward portion of his career
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that he's going to be entering into. Hopefully that well
will be full of the playoff success that his resume
is missing right now. But I think that the veterans
and their attitude towards potentially a Rudolph Howard quarterback room
is something to wonder about and something to be curious of, hmm.
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And really is the only thing I think at this
point that I am wondering about who would be kind
of opposed to it, because again, I think the fans
either they just didn't like Rogers in the first place,
or now they're burned out and they're just like, just
do Rudolph and Howard? Like who cares?
Speaker 3 (05:40):
And I think because of the familiarity with Rudolph and
the upside of Howard, not that there's a lot, but
it seems like people think there's a lot of upside
to Howard, that's why they're leaning toward. And I know
people were on the fence about starting this next season
without a quarterback. You know people are out there saying
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soon as all, we have a quarterback right now, Well
they do, it's just not the guy that you think
is capable of leading them to the super Bowl, which
is probably true. Let's be realistic, and like you said,
like the team is being realistic if that's the direction
they move in. If Rogers doesn't come here, that hey,
this year. We know we always say we strive for
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a championship with every season, We're still going to have
championship aspirations. We're just going to be a little more
realistic with our expectations. And I honestly don't think it's terrible.
I know it's gonna be tough, like you said, voicing
that or expressing that to the guys on defense like
Cam and TJ and Minka who have put in so much.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
I mean, when you look at the teams when you.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Year after year Tom, it feels like since Miga got here,
especially right that's when the defense really got its third stalwart.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
It's third that could say they have a dude.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
At every level, it's felt like the offense has come
nowhere close to catching up or keeping up with the
defense's capabilities. And that's why you feel the most guilty, right,
is because that defense really grew to its final form
right when the offense hit that wall and lost all
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of its star pieces between Ben at a younger age
and ab and Lev before they went crazy and left
the team. So I think that's why it hurts the
most to have these discussions regarding the defense, because the
defense and offense just never lined up. And the defense,
sure it had Cam Hayward and at the end of
the Killer Be's era it had TJ. Watt, but remember
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it was throwing guys out there like Mike Mitchell, Ross
Cockwell already burned Sean Davis like that defense was thin
as it could get, but it didn't matter because at
the time, offense ruled the NFL score thirty.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Well, offense still does rule the NFA, it does, but
the Steelers offense specifically kind of ruled the NFL at
that point. Killer Bees were unbelievable. But yeah, they never
really were able to find that great balance. It was
always very it's been very lopsided in this past. You know,
ten years would you say, down side of the one
side of the ball and then kind of swung back
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yep to the other side of the ball. And look,
that's just I mean, Ben retired, superpowers, faded, got a
bad injury, and then he hung them up. Ther franchise
quarterbacks done. Now you're trying to find a franchise quarterback,
and man, it's it's it's I get how you're in
the desert and you're you're you're thirsty for one. But
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it's been what four years, five years now that they've
been looking for the guy since Ben hung it up,
And you could even say longer, no, like I want
to keep it up to be where he was on
the team.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Like yeah, sure, so you're okay. So to that point,
you're y.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
You can argue that they should have planned ahead better.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
You're you're d during your fourth year post Bet.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Post bend of trying to replace him, trying to find
the franchise court.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
And every year you've had a different guy to start
the season for you.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Right, But my point was going to be like that's
actually short, Like that's a short time.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Absolutely, don't get me wrong, But it doesn't it feel longer.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Is that it just feels like it's been an eternity.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
That defense, Well, it also if you want to expand, yes,
it's only been four years.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Post bend.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
But it's you are approaching ten years, ten seasons since
the last time you had a playoff win.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Right, But just looking at it from the bend light
and finding that franchise guy and being like, okay, fifteen
years are the franchiser set, Like, we know who the
quarterback is and we're going to be competitive for the
most part for that fifteen year stretch. Yeah, injury happens here,
this happens there, or whatever. Miss a playoff every once
in a while, but we're gonna be in this thing
for a long long time. Like you haven't been able
to get that. It's been four years. It's not really
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that long of a time. It feels like in a
turn though, not only because the defense is good enough
to win, but I think because the defense is good
enough to win and the coach is always winning that
you're not a typical team who loses the franchise quarterback.
It's been four years. You've kind of sucked for a while.
For at least those three let's say like three out
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of those four years, you've just kind of been bad, bad,
and you're picking in the top ten year after year
after year, and then you have finally get your quarterback again,
Like that does that's not happening, Like you're going into
your fourth year without Ben as they're going quarterback. You
made the playoffs two out of those three years prior.
You've had ten wins just last year, So it is
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not easy to find that guy. Like I heard Stephen A.
Smith say the other day about like how you can't
convince me or whatever the guys in the locker room
that you know we're in the AFC and you're it's
okay with competing against Lamar and Burrow and this and
that and Mahoe, and like, what's your excuse for not
having found those guys? Those are impossible to find. They're
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very tough guys to find. And the Steelers took one
bite at that apple three years ago and it was
sour and you had to spit it out. There's a
worm in there, it was rotting, it was gross. And
now it really looks like all signs are pointing to
them finding another apple on that tree, picking it out
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and taking another nice bite out of it, and hopefully
this one is a little bit sweeter, and this one
is the guy.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Let me ask you this crazy apathetical.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
I remember in Kenny's rookie year or maybe even in
the second year when the Niners really picked up steam
when they traded for Christian McCaffrey and they had Kyle
shanahan calling the plays. They had McCaffrey at the half back,
they had George Kittle, they had Brandan Ayuk, they had
Deebo Samuel all the height of their powers, and Rock
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Party just kind of quarterbacking his way game, managing his
way to a NFC Championship game, which they eventually lost.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
His first season and then second season.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Got to the Super Bowl, right, and we were saying,
if you put Kenny Pickett on that team, they could
be doing just as well. I think that take is
kind of soured, aged like milk a little bit.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
The the question I want to ask though, is would
Brock Purty have done significantly better in Pittsburgh than Kenny
Pickett would.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Have, not to the level of him being in the
Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Right, lead to a couple more division champions, which would
lead to which would lead to home playoff games, which
will lead to a potential home playoffs win.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Potentially. I don't know about division champions because you're playing
in a tough to put it this way. Maybe last year,
if they kind of were seven and three, Brock Party
was maybe he finishes that runoff. To answer your question, yes,
Party would be better than Pickett here in Pittsburgh. I
don't know if he would be the fifty three million
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dollar manever he's making a year and have all the
success that he did in that perfect storm that he's
in or he has been in in San Francisco. But yeah,
you missed on your first crack at trying to get
the franchise guy. Now you're going to reload again and
try again this year. You got to build that bridge though,
to get to twenty twenty six's draft, the draft that's
going to be here in Pittsburgh. And will the veterans
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be okay with that bridge being Rudolph and Howard? And
I think a key element of this is we see
a lot of people talk about Howard and we're going
to get to the Howard hype in just the second
and it is very hard to buy into a lot
of veterans and even guys like you know, three year
four year vets being like six round pick really right,
Like we've been practicing with him and he's good and
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we like him, but like, he's not the starting quarterback.
But it's obviously more sexy and attractive for people on
those shows to talk about Will Howard the National Championship quarterback?
What if about him? The mystique right right now because
you don't know what he's gonna be like, so you
can really talk him into anything you want to won
the Natty Now he's a Steeler. It's such a storybook
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type of thing. But Rudolph will be the starter. Rudolph
will be the guy at the beginning of the year,
and that even if the talent isn't there and the
success is gonna be lacking, is going to be a
very professionally run outfit, and it's gonna be like if
you were, you know, just going through I'm trying to
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think of a good way to put this. Like I
don't want to say he'd be like cause playing a
starting quarterback really well, because he's not. He's an NFL player,
But you would be able to trick yourself into being like,
this guy's a starter in the NFL. Like this looks
a lot like the command that a starter has. The
comfortability that a starter has, he might just throw like
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three interceptions in a game and you might have five
or six wins at the end of the year. So
when it comes to you know, the vets and their comfortability,
like with Rudolph, at least it's gonna look like a quarterback.
At least it's gonna act like a quarterback. It might
not play like one, but at least it's going to
kind of give off that kind of aura a little bit.
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And I think that is something that can go a
decent amount of way. I don't think it can go
a long way with the guys. I think eventually, once
the talent shows that it's not good enough, it's be like,
come on now, like we need to get better. But
I do think that there will be a sense of
belief going through the camp and preseason, in the start
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of the season with Rudolph at the helm if he
is indeed at the helm, because he's just he's a
seven eight year guy whatever it is now a veteran
in every sense of the word and has a ton
of experience playing behind a Hall of Fame quarterback and
two or no, not too because he wasn't here last year.
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But you get my drift, like playing behind Ben and
then went to Tennessee, kind of got the experience of
another organization under his belt a couple starts there. I mean,
he's just been around the block so much. He knows
how to play the position. So there will be I
think a level of professionalism that Mason will be able
to bring to the table that might ease some of
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the veterans tensions early on in the year. And then
if the season is kind of going to a point
where you think it's not going to leld a playoff appearance,
if you think that the Mike Tomlin streak of never
having a losing season is definitely in jeopardy, I would
be open to maybe letting Howard get a taste once
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he's been around the NFL for a couple months, has
been through a season, he's really gotten his feet wet.
Kind of they say this in like basketball, you know,
like when you're a freshman, like for Cooper Flag this year,
by the time the tournament rules around, he's really a sophomore.
Like he's played so much basketball week fifteen, week sixteen
rules around, Like Will Howard, he's NFL quarterback now, he
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knows how to play. He's been through practices like so
I wonder if then you start to give him a
little bit of the taste and that's when you can
kind of see what you got and then you finish
out the season. But the hype for him is really
just insane. And I again the other day, saw another
pundent put forward like why not just play Will Howard?
Is Mike Tannebaum say it's a guy that we should
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be talking about as Will Howard? Why should we or
why not just take a look at somebody like him?
Said something, if he didn't have a bad workout in
the combine, he could have been a top three round
pick in the draft. I just think that if this
guy was drafted to the Falcons, if this guy was
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drafted to Carolina, no one would be talking about him
like this. No one would be saying Will Howard and
I picked those two teams because those two teams have
starting quarterbacks Atlanta Carolina, but they're not established starting quarterbacks yet.
There's still some unknown about that, So you know, there's
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an opening for someone to be like, well, what if
young does regress a little bit and then you got
Will Howard on the bench. No one would be saying that,
not a single soul. It's just the fact that he
went to the Steelers, that he has that logo on
the side of his helmet, and that Mason Rudolph is
the target that you have to pick off at this
point to talk yourself into. It makes people that Howard.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
You would say, if Rogers joined the team that goes
free agency immediately, there is.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
No so much momentum already now.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
But here's the thing, though, if Rogers had joined the
team before the draft, would still drafter Will Howard would say, okay, great,
there's your backup.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
No backup to the back backup right right? No one.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Maybe the takeaway is into that Will Howard, it's goodbye
Skyler Thompson after camp.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
But yeah, yeah, right there, there is just no there's
no talk about it if that's the case, if Rogers
is here. But the fact that there is an opening
at the position right now, and the fact that he
won that national championship and he landed in the Steelers lap,
he's got that logo on the side of his helmet.
I mean, it's just poured gasoline onto the fire of
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this kid, and it's really unfair to him. It's wild
expectations and I don't think that it's very smart at
all to play him early and just kind of throw
him out there and be like, well, let's see what
the kids got, because you are kind of cutting off
your nose despite your face there. If you truly are
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a Will Howard believer and want him to turn into
something in the NFL, if you then say just roll
with him and throw him out there, see what the
kids got, you have the potential to really ruin him.
He's not going to be ready to be the guy week.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
One, especially in no offense with this offense too, any offense,
my man, yeah, I would say really any offense.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Like and maybe he would be he's that one percent, right,
But I'm gonna go ahead and put my chip down.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
On yeah, right, play the field.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Like if you you really are a Will Howard believer
and you think that they found a diamond in the
rough here, then you should be adamant that he doesn't
play a snap this year, that he doesn't play a
snap this year until the very end of the year.
There's no just letting him start and seeing where the
chips fall and seeing what the kids got, because then
I think you're setting him up for failure. I think
you're gonna get a bad first impression. Well, let me
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ask you, a bad first impression, what's harder. You're a
single lad at least as far as I know. What's
harder in the dating world, a bad first impression, or
as a quarterback for an NFL team, having a bad
first impression, especially in today's day and age, that just
can stick with you and you can have that stink
on you for a long time.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Let me ask you this Mason run off, Aaron Rodgers
does not come to pitch.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
You can answer this question it honestly.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
It's pretty scary for both, but it's probably scarier for
a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
It's because you make nothing but good first impression exactly.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
I don't know what a bad first impression looks like.
I never had one.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Anyways, Aaron Rodgers hypothetical we're playing doesn't come to Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
You start the season off with me through it off.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
As we've discussed in the past since the schedule has
been released, it's not an easy start. You gotta go
to New York, you gotta go to New England. Who
else is it?
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Seattle? Is your is your first home game?
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Game?
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Not a not a pushover team.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
It's a very mystery game. For me right now in
that game.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
But you gotta go to which you respect as a
team with Mike Rabel there.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Now, I just think that's going to be a tricky
game too.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
I think there's a lot of tricky games to start
the season. And you got Minnesota in Ireland. Yeah it's Ireland.
You will have the homefield advantage. But Minnesota just won
fifteen games last year.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Yeah fourteen easy, pump the brakes.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Sorry about that. But and then you got Cleveland on
the road.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
But then Cleveland, I hope, and then you gotta go
to Cincinnati also, Like that is a tough six week
stretch to start the season. So so what I'm saying is,
I Mason starts slow out the gates, what is what
is the length of the leash that the team has
to say, we're two and four, we can't we can't
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go forward with this guy moving forward.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Yeah, I don't know how. But if it's more of
a length of leash thing with Mason, or if we
don't want to put Will Howard in until he's for
sure already, like who cares if we're still gonna.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Well yeah, I mean that's the other side of the corner.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Restrated there with the start to the schedule, it's more
evidence that you shouldn't start this rookie. We're gonna start
on the road in three out of his first four games.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
No, I don't think there's any I don't think there's anyone.
I mean, even the people who are high and Will
Howard aren't saying like you should start him over Mason Rudolph.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Are They are there people out there?
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Really?
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Like I know Tanner Bomb said like I don't give
him a shot, but.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Like, I don't think it's been explicitly said like that
start the season, but it's been alluded to by saying
like just throw him out there and see what you
got for or Tannebaum saying like what you find out what.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
You have with see I interpret that is, if Mason
doesn't go five and one for you to start the season,
then why not just give Will Howard the shot?
Speaker 1 (22:53):
And I think the best thing to do is even
if Mason has won four games up to week sixteen,
then you put Will Howard out right week. You just
wait until he's got that pretty much full season under
his belt, give him a crack at an NFL football
game or two. But at the same time, dude, you
can't take your eye off the prize and the next
season or the draft in twenty twenty six, and you
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can't have Will Howard play really well from week fifteen
to week seventeen and the Steelers kind of scratch and
clock while the wins out and then you go, well,
we don't need sellers from South.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
That's the counter I think people would propose, is, well,
then don't start in week fifteen. Give him a bigger
give him, give yourself a bigger window of tape to
look at him and say, is this guy for real
or not not just playing in garbage time in week
fifteen through week seventeen.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
He would have to do something like to be for
Like what if he played and he was just like
a quarterback, but the Steelers went ten and seven and
went to the playoffs, Like, you don't want to be
talked into him being.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
I'm with you. I'm with you because you had to.
That's why I'm saying, like I think people.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
If he played and went like fourteen and three, oh yeah,
then he looked like Bo Dicks and he looked like
Jayden Daniels, then we don't need it. We'll take a
wide receiver in the first round next year or somebody else.
We got lucky, we found our diamond in the rough.
But I just don't want him to like, yeah, he
could play, and you can see what he looks like,
but never really lose sight of the fact that he's
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a career backup and for him to be probably the
best draft pick possible for your team is that you
get a franchise guy next year and Will Howard's buddy
for like five or six years just backs him up.
It's kind of, you know, attached at the hip. And
then you know, I could see Matt Williamson was about
this too, like you could see a Kevin O'Connell type
of future for for Will Howard. Sure kind of going
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into that coach role while being a backup in the league.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Not everyone can do it as well as KOC, but
I get what he's trying to because of the.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Track that he took the backup in the league. You
can't say hardbull because Harbay actually started.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
I mean got to an AC championship game before he
lost to christ before he lost to.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Who I I think it was Pittsburgh. Yeah, yeah, almost
one though, Hail Mary. Yeah for him carry a moment
he thought it was good. If you go back and
look at his reaction.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Which is so funny because like the ball clearly like
doesn't come close.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
That's far away for hard I guess, So, I guess.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
So Steelers play hardball this year. Yeah, there you go
to the they go to La La, they play or
old Buddy Nagi and but.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
I don't think that's like a oh, get me my
revenge game from nineteen ninety five.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
No, I'm just you know, I'm just thinking if they'll
show the highlight they did last year. I think when
the Chargers came, well, that would make sense because it
was hardball's first year back in the NFL. Sure, you're
doing the remember this guy thing, and this happened against
the steel.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
That also happened in Pittsburgh. This is gonna be in
LA when the team was also playing in San Diego.
So I'm sorry, I'm sorry it was the Colts. I
don't even know why.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
I don't even know why you were saying that. Yeah,
you're confusing. I'm just getting championship games. You're thinking of
Dan Fouts. You're right, Sandy, are not You're thinking of
San Diego in the nineties beating the Steelers potentially not.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
But that was not. That was not.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
It was not Dan felt it was we should quit
this episode because we look like idiots right now. No,
it was okay, I do want to talk about Johnny
Smith some more, and we got to get to Gabe Davis,
who is making his visit today or expected to make
a visit soon with the Pittsburgh Steelers. And then, as
it is list season, I have a pretty fun list
that we can go over to wrap up the show
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from NFL dot com, so we'll get into that. It's
Tom Opferman, it's Jacob wrect it's the Steeler Standard on
Steelers Nation Radio, and it's all on the Steelers Audio Network.
So we did talk a ton of quarterbacks in that
first episode. I don't know if I necessary planned it
that way, but I did want to plan on talking
about Plan B because that seems to be something that
is trying to get pushed out into the world, into
the ether. I saw Falor again say that that could
be something reasonable. Again, I saw Schreeger yesterday say something
about pursuing Kirk Cousins. So I think, as people, you know,
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trying to make their way through shows and have topics
to discuss during the NFL offseason, the Steelers are such
a popular team to go to now because of the
quarterback situation that is unfolding and will he won't he
aspect of Aaron Rodgers. So it's obvious to as you're
deciding what topics to discuss when it comes to that
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take or that topic is what would they do if
it doesn't happen? Put forward that the Plan B could
very well just be Rudolph and Howard and Skyler Thompson.
And that's why you see the Steelers being so cool
right now. And you had mentioned that, you know, you
think the fans they would be pretty cool with it too,
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like that they would be okay with that quarterback room
that they feel I don't want to say comfortable with
it to the point where they can win football games,
but that they look at it and say to themselves,
you know what, that's not terrible, like that is something
that we can work with, and it's something that we
will go into with an understanding of this might not
lead to great success in the win column or winning
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a playoff game, but we will have an understanding of
it being the appropriate thing in the current spot that
the team is in trying to build that bridge to
the twenty twenty six draft. But there is one other
angle that you have to wonder about when it comes
to this, and there is a lot of veterans in
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that locker room the defensive side of the ball pretty much.
Most notably, You've got TJ. Watt, never won a playoff game.
You've got Cam Hayward who hasn't won a playoff game
in a long time.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
And going on we're approaching ten years here.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
You've got Mika Fitzpatrick who has had no playoff success
in his career. You have got guys like Patrick Queen
who have been in the playoffs before but haven't really
been on deep deep playoff runs. I did go to
the AFC Championship game.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
The year before he came to Pittsford.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Yeah, but he wants to have postseason success. I mean,
there are guys on that team that haven't tasted a
win on that defensive side of the ball in our
all time greats, and not to put Queen in that category,
but the other three that we were talking about other
two for sure, Mica, Yeah, he's a great, but I
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don't know about all time great. He's got to have
a pretty good bounce back as far as the turnovers
are concerned. And then you look at the offensive side
of the ball, and you just signed guy from Seattle
in DK Metcalf, who is an established top two tier
receiver in the NFL, a legitimate number one guy for
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a team, and you signed him to a four year
deal and gave him all this money. And you have
to wonder what he would think and what his true
feelings would be about writing an inexperienced Will Howard or
a Mason Rudolph who has been a career backup in
the NFL, and I'm not saying that he would make
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a stink in his first year in Pittsburgh I think
that contract in that money and that changes scenery kind
of buys you a year of good behavior. But you
do wonder, and that is I think an angle to
this that is needed to be discussed is how the
veterans in that room react privately to that plan at quarterback,
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if it indeed to that plan be of Rudolph and Howard,
Because publicly, you know that they're gonna say that they
can win with those guys. They love Mason, they love Will,
they're great guys, they're great teammates. They're gonna say all
the right things. But privately, I do wonder if after
a couple of cocktails, you know, TJ puts the baby
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down and he sits with the wife and he's like,
you know, I just don't really believe that we can
win with those guys a quarterback. Maybe they do. I
would put myself in their shoes and I would be skeptical, though,
So that is an angle to this that you have
to wonder about. But then again, if TJ gets his
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contract extension, he plans on being here for another four years,
he'll be very handsomely paid to do so. I mean,
you can sell the fact that you've got a plan
in twenty twenty six, and that if you hit that
guy correctly, then the twilight of TJ's career in Pittsburgh
kind of the the Cam Hayward portion of his career
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that he's going to be entering into. Hopefully that well
will be full of the playoff success that his resume
is missing right now. But I think that the veterans
and their attitude towards potentially a Rudolph Howard quarterback room
is something to wonder about and something to be curious of, hmm.
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And really is the only thing I think at this
point that I am wondering about who would be kind
of opposed to it, because again, I think the fans
either they just didn't like Rogers in the first place,
or now they're burned out and they're just like, just
do Rudolph and Howard? Like who cares?
Speaker 3 (05:40):
And I think because of the familiarity with Rudolph and
the upside of Howard, not that there's a lot, but
it seems like people think there's a lot of upside
to Howard, that's why they're leaning toward. And I know
people were on the fence about starting this next season
without a quarterback. You know people are out there saying
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soon as all, we have a quarterback right now, Well
they do, it's just not the guy that you think
is capable of leading them to the super Bowl, which
is probably true. Let's be realistic, and like you said,
like the team is being realistic if that's the direction
they move in. If Rogers doesn't come here, that hey,
this year. We know we always say we strive for
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a championship with every season, We're still going to have
championship aspirations. We're just going to be a little more
realistic with our expectations. And I honestly don't think it's terrible.
I know it's gonna be tough, like you said, voicing
that or expressing that to the guys on defense like
Cam and TJ and Minka who have put in so much.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
I mean, when you look at the teams when you.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Year after year Tom, it feels like since Miga got here,
especially right that's when the defense really got its third stalwart.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
It's third that could say they have a dude.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
At every level, it's felt like the offense has come
nowhere close to catching up or keeping up with the
defense's capabilities. And that's why you feel the most guilty, right,
is because that defense really grew to its final form
right when the offense hit that wall and lost all
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of its star pieces between Ben at a younger age
and ab and Lev before they went crazy and left
the team. So I think that's why it hurts the
most to have these discussions regarding the defense, because the
defense and offense just never lined up. And the defense,
sure it had Cam Hayward and at the end of
the Killer Be's era it had TJ. Watt, but remember
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it was throwing guys out there like Mike Mitchell, Ross
Cockwell already burned Sean Davis like that defense was thin
as it could get, but it didn't matter because at
the time, offense ruled the NFL score thirty.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Well, offense still does rule the NFA, it does, but
the Steelers offense specifically kind of ruled the NFL at
that point. Killer Bees were unbelievable. But yeah, they never
really were able to find that great balance. It was
always very it's been very lopsided in this past. You know,
ten years would you say, down side of the one
side of the ball and then kind of swung back
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yep to the other side of the ball. And look,
that's just I mean, Ben retired, superpowers, faded, got a
bad injury, and then he hung them up. Ther franchise
quarterbacks done. Now you're trying to find a franchise quarterback,
and man, it's it's it's I get how you're in
the desert and you're you're you're thirsty for one. But
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it's been what four years, five years now that they've
been looking for the guy since Ben hung it up,
And you could even say longer, no, like I want
to keep it up to be where he was on
the team.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Like yeah, sure, so you're okay. So to that point,
you're y.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
You can argue that they should have planned ahead better.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
You're you're d during your fourth year post Bet.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Post bend of trying to replace him, trying to find
the franchise court.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
And every year you've had a different guy to start
the season for you.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Right, But my point was going to be like that's
actually short, Like that's a short time.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Absolutely, don't get me wrong, But it doesn't it feel longer.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Is that it just feels like it's been an eternity.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
That defense, Well, it also if you want to expand, yes,
it's only been four years.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Post bend.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
But it's you are approaching ten years, ten seasons since
the last time you had a playoff win.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Right, But just looking at it from the bend light
and finding that franchise guy and being like, okay, fifteen
years are the franchiser set, Like, we know who the
quarterback is and we're going to be competitive for the
most part for that fifteen year stretch. Yeah, injury happens here,
this happens there, or whatever. Miss a playoff every once
in a while, but we're gonna be in this thing
for a long long time. Like you haven't been able
to get that. It's been four years. It's not really
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that long of a time. It feels like in a
turn though, not only because the defense is good enough
to win, but I think because the defense is good
enough to win and the coach is always winning that
you're not a typical team who loses the franchise quarterback.
It's been four years. You've kind of sucked for a while.
For at least those three let's say like three out
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of those four years, you've just kind of been bad, bad,
and you're picking in the top ten year after year
after year, and then you have finally get your quarterback again,
Like that does that's not happening, Like you're going into
your fourth year without Ben as they're going quarterback. You
made the playoffs two out of those three years prior.
You've had ten wins just last year, So it is
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not easy to find that guy. Like I heard Stephen A.
Smith say the other day about like how you can't
convince me or whatever the guys in the locker room
that you know we're in the AFC and you're it's
okay with competing against Lamar and Burrow and this and
that and Mahoe, and like, what's your excuse for not
having found those guys? Those are impossible to find. They're
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very tough guys to find. And the Steelers took one
bite at that apple three years ago and it was
sour and you had to spit it out. There's a
worm in there, it was rotting, it was gross. And
now it really looks like all signs are pointing to
them finding another apple on that tree, picking it out
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and taking another nice bite out of it, and hopefully
this one is a little bit sweeter, and this one
is the guy.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Let me ask you this crazy apathetical.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
I remember in Kenny's rookie year or maybe even in
the second year when the Niners really picked up steam
when they traded for Christian McCaffrey and they had Kyle
shanahan calling the plays. They had McCaffrey at the half back,
they had George Kittle, they had Brandan Ayuk, they had
Deebo Samuel all the height of their powers, and Rock
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Party just kind of quarterbacking his way game, managing his
way to a NFC Championship game, which they eventually lost.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
His first season and then second season.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Got to the Super Bowl, right, and we were saying,
if you put Kenny Pickett on that team, they could
be doing just as well. I think that take is
kind of soured, aged like milk a little bit.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
The the question I want to ask though, is would
Brock Purty have done significantly better in Pittsburgh than Kenny
Pickett would.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Have, not to the level of him being in the
Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Right, lead to a couple more division champions, which would
lead to which would lead to home playoff games, which
will lead to a potential home playoffs win.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Potentially. I don't know about division champions because you're playing
in a tough to put it this way. Maybe last year,
if they kind of were seven and three, Brock Party
was maybe he finishes that runoff. To answer your question, yes,
Party would be better than Pickett here in Pittsburgh. I
don't know if he would be the fifty three million
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dollar manever he's making a year and have all the
success that he did in that perfect storm that he's
in or he has been in in San Francisco. But yeah,
you missed on your first crack at trying to get
the franchise guy. Now you're going to reload again and
try again this year. You got to build that bridge though,
to get to twenty twenty six's draft, the draft that's
going to be here in Pittsburgh. And will the veterans
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be okay with that bridge being Rudolph and Howard? And
I think a key element of this is we see
a lot of people talk about Howard and we're going
to get to the Howard hype in just the second
and it is very hard to buy into a lot
of veterans and even guys like you know, three year
four year vets being like six round pick really right,
Like we've been practicing with him and he's good and
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we like him, but like, he's not the starting quarterback.
But it's obviously more sexy and attractive for people on
those shows to talk about Will Howard the National Championship quarterback?
What if about him? The mystique right right now because
you don't know what he's gonna be like, so you
can really talk him into anything you want to won
the Natty Now he's a Steeler. It's such a storybook
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type of thing. But Rudolph will be the starter. Rudolph
will be the guy at the beginning of the year,
and that even if the talent isn't there and the
success is gonna be lacking, is going to be a
very professionally run outfit, and it's gonna be like if
you were, you know, just going through I'm trying to
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think of a good way to put this. Like I
don't want to say he'd be like cause playing a
starting quarterback really well, because he's not. He's an NFL player,
But you would be able to trick yourself into being like,
this guy's a starter in the NFL. Like this looks
a lot like the command that a starter has. The
comfortability that a starter has, he might just throw like
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three interceptions in a game and you might have five
or six wins at the end of the year. So
when it comes to you know, the vets and their comfortability,
like with Rudolph, at least it's gonna look like a quarterback.
At least it's gonna act like a quarterback. It might
not play like one, but at least it's going to
kind of give off that kind of aura a little bit.
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And I think that is something that can go a
decent amount of way. I don't think it can go
a long way with the guys. I think eventually, once
the talent shows that it's not good enough, it's be like,
come on now, like we need to get better. But
I do think that there will be a sense of
belief going through the camp and preseason, in the start
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of the season with Rudolph at the helm if he
is indeed at the helm, because he's just he's a
seven eight year guy whatever it is now a veteran
in every sense of the word and has a ton
of experience playing behind a Hall of Fame quarterback and
two or no, not too because he wasn't here last year.
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But you get my drift, like playing behind Ben and
then went to Tennessee, kind of got the experience of
another organization under his belt a couple starts there. I mean,
he's just been around the block so much. He knows
how to play the position. So there will be I
think a level of professionalism that Mason will be able
to bring to the table that might ease some of
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the veterans tensions early on in the year. And then
if the season is kind of going to a point
where you think it's not going to leld a playoff appearance,
if you think that the Mike Tomlin streak of never
having a losing season is definitely in jeopardy, I would
be open to maybe letting Howard get a taste once
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he's been around the NFL for a couple months, has
been through a season, he's really gotten his feet wet.
Kind of they say this in like basketball, you know,
like when you're a freshman, like for Cooper Flag this year,
by the time the tournament rules around, he's really a sophomore.
Like he's played so much basketball week fifteen, week sixteen
rules around, Like Will Howard, he's NFL quarterback now, he
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knows how to play. He's been through practices like so
I wonder if then you start to give him a
little bit of the taste and that's when you can
kind of see what you got and then you finish
out the season. But the hype for him is really
just insane. And I again the other day, saw another
pundent put forward like why not just play Will Howard?
Is Mike Tannebaum say it's a guy that we should
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be talking about as Will Howard? Why should we or
why not just take a look at somebody like him?
Said something, if he didn't have a bad workout in
the combine, he could have been a top three round
pick in the draft. I just think that if this
guy was drafted to the Falcons, if this guy was
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drafted to Carolina, no one would be talking about him
like this. No one would be saying Will Howard and
I picked those two teams because those two teams have
starting quarterbacks Atlanta Carolina, but they're not established starting quarterbacks yet.
There's still some unknown about that, So you know, there's
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an opening for someone to be like, well, what if
young does regress a little bit and then you got
Will Howard on the bench. No one would be saying that,
not a single soul. It's just the fact that he
went to the Steelers, that he has that logo on
the side of his helmet, and that Mason Rudolph is
the target that you have to pick off at this
point to talk yourself into. It makes people that Howard.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
You would say, if Rogers joined the team that goes
free agency immediately, there is.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
No so much momentum already now.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
But here's the thing, though, if Rogers had joined the
team before the draft, would still drafter Will Howard would say, okay, great,
there's your backup.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
No backup to the back backup right right? No one.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Maybe the takeaway is into that Will Howard, it's goodbye
Skyler Thompson after camp.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
But yeah, yeah, right there, there is just no there's
no talk about it if that's the case, if Rogers
is here. But the fact that there is an opening
at the position right now, and the fact that he
won that national championship and he landed in the Steelers lap,
he's got that logo on the side of his helmet.
I mean, it's just poured gasoline onto the fire of
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this kid, and it's really unfair to him. It's wild
expectations and I don't think that it's very smart at
all to play him early and just kind of throw
him out there and be like, well, let's see what
the kids got, because you are kind of cutting off
your nose despite your face there. If you truly are
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a Will Howard believer and want him to turn into
something in the NFL, if you then say just roll
with him and throw him out there, see what the
kids got, you have the potential to really ruin him.
He's not going to be ready to be the guy week.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
One, especially in no offense with this offense too, any offense,
my man, yeah, I would say really any offense.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Like and maybe he would be he's that one percent, right,
But I'm gonna go ahead and put my chip down.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
On yeah, right, play the field.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Like if you you really are a Will Howard believer
and you think that they found a diamond in the
rough here, then you should be adamant that he doesn't
play a snap this year, that he doesn't play a
snap this year until the very end of the year.
There's no just letting him start and seeing where the
chips fall and seeing what the kids got, because then
I think you're setting him up for failure. I think
you're gonna get a bad first impression. Well, let me
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ask you, a bad first impression, what's harder. You're a
single lad at least as far as I know. What's
harder in the dating world, a bad first impression, or
as a quarterback for an NFL team, having a bad
first impression, especially in today's day and age, that just
can stick with you and you can have that stink
on you for a long time.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Let me ask you this Mason run off, Aaron Rodgers
does not come to pitch.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
You can answer this question it honestly.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
It's pretty scary for both, but it's probably scarier for
a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
It's because you make nothing but good first impression exactly.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
I don't know what a bad first impression looks like.
I never had one.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Anyways, Aaron Rodgers hypothetical we're playing doesn't come to Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
You start the season off with me through it off.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
As we've discussed in the past since the schedule has
been released, it's not an easy start. You gotta go
to New York, you gotta go to New England. Who
else is it?
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Seattle? Is your is your first home game?
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Game?
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Not a not a pushover team.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
It's a very mystery game. For me right now in
that game.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
But you gotta go to which you respect as a
team with Mike Rabel there.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Now, I just think that's going to be a tricky
game too.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
I think there's a lot of tricky games to start
the season. And you got Minnesota in Ireland. Yeah it's Ireland.
You will have the homefield advantage. But Minnesota just won
fifteen games last year.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Yeah fourteen easy, pump the brakes.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Sorry about that. But and then you got Cleveland on
the road.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
But then Cleveland, I hope, and then you gotta go
to Cincinnati also, Like that is a tough six week
stretch to start the season. So so what I'm saying is,
I Mason starts slow out the gates, what is what
is the length of the leash that the team has
to say, we're two and four, we can't we can't
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go forward with this guy moving forward.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Yeah, I don't know how. But if it's more of
a length of leash thing with Mason, or if we
don't want to put Will Howard in until he's for
sure already, like who cares if we're still gonna.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Well yeah, I mean that's the other side of the corner.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Restrated there with the start to the schedule, it's more
evidence that you shouldn't start this rookie. We're gonna start
on the road in three out of his first four games.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
No, I don't think there's any I don't think there's anyone.
I mean, even the people who are high and Will
Howard aren't saying like you should start him over Mason Rudolph.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Are They are there people out there?
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Really?
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Like I know Tanner Bomb said like I don't give
him a shot, but.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Like, I don't think it's been explicitly said like that
start the season, but it's been alluded to by saying
like just throw him out there and see what you
got for or Tannebaum saying like what you find out what.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
You have with see I interpret that is, if Mason
doesn't go five and one for you to start the season,
then why not just give Will Howard the shot?
Speaker 1 (22:53):
And I think the best thing to do is even
if Mason has won four games up to week sixteen,
then you put Will Howard out right week. You just
wait until he's got that pretty much full season under
his belt, give him a crack at an NFL football
game or two. But at the same time, dude, you
can't take your eye off the prize and the next
season or the draft in twenty twenty six, and you
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can't have Will Howard play really well from week fifteen
to week seventeen and the Steelers kind of scratch and
clock while the wins out and then you go, well,
we don't need sellers from South.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
That's the counter I think people would propose, is, well,
then don't start in week fifteen. Give him a bigger
give him, give yourself a bigger window of tape to
look at him and say, is this guy for real
or not not just playing in garbage time in week
fifteen through week seventeen.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
He would have to do something like to be for
Like what if he played and he was just like
a quarterback, but the Steelers went ten and seven and
went to the playoffs, Like, you don't want to be
talked into him being.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
I'm with you. I'm with you because you had to.
That's why I'm saying, like I think people.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
If he played and went like fourteen and three, oh yeah,
then he looked like Bo Dicks and he looked like
Jayden Daniels, then we don't need it. We'll take a
wide receiver in the first round next year or somebody else.
We got lucky, we found our diamond in the rough.
But I just don't want him to like, yeah, he
could play, and you can see what he looks like,
but never really lose sight of the fact that he's
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a career backup and for him to be probably the
best draft pick possible for your team is that you
get a franchise guy next year and Will Howard's buddy
for like five or six years just backs him up.
It's kind of, you know, attached at the hip. And
then you know, I could see Matt Williamson was about
this too, like you could see a Kevin O'Connell type
of future for for Will Howard. Sure kind of going
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into that coach role while being a backup in the league.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Not everyone can do it as well as KOC, but
I get what he's trying to because of the.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Track that he took the backup in the league. You
can't say hardbull because Harbay actually started.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
I mean got to an AC championship game before he
lost to christ before he lost to.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Who I I think it was Pittsburgh. Yeah, yeah, almost
one though, Hail Mary. Yeah for him carry a moment
he thought it was good. If you go back and
look at his reaction.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Which is so funny because like the ball clearly like
doesn't come close.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
That's far away for hard I guess, So, I guess.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
So Steelers play hardball this year. Yeah, there you go
to the they go to La La, they play or
old Buddy Nagi and but.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
I don't think that's like a oh, get me my
revenge game from nineteen ninety five.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
No, I'm just you know, I'm just thinking if they'll
show the highlight they did last year. I think when
the Chargers came, well, that would make sense because it
was hardball's first year back in the NFL. Sure, you're
doing the remember this guy thing, and this happened against
the steel.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
That also happened in Pittsburgh. This is gonna be in
LA when the team was also playing in San Diego.
So I'm sorry, I'm sorry it was the Colts. I
don't even know why.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
I don't even know why you were saying that. Yeah,
you're confusing. I'm just getting championship games. You're thinking of
Dan Fouts. You're right, Sandy, are not You're thinking of
San Diego in the nineties beating the Steelers potentially not.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
But that was not. That was not.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
It was not Dan felt it was we should quit
this episode because we look like idiots right now. No,
it was okay, I do want to talk about Johnny
Smith some more, and we got to get to Gabe Davis,
who is making his visit today or expected to make
a visit soon with the Pittsburgh Steelers. And then, as
it is list season, I have a pretty fun list
that we can go over to wrap up the show
(26:26):
from NFL dot com, so we'll get into that. It's
Tom Opferman, it's Jacob wrect it's the Steeler Standard on
Steelers Nation Radio, and it's all on the Steelers Audio Network.
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