June 19, 2025 • 31 mins
Since ESPN did such a poor job picking a league wide all quarter century team, Tom and Jacob take it upon themselves to decide the roster for the Steelers all quarter century team.
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Speaker 1 (00:13):
With that quarter century team out from ESPN dot com.
We just reviewed it in the last episode. It was
fun for me to go through and try to off
the top of my head. Really, so I want to
put that disclaimer out there. Uh huh.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I'll help you clean up together.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
I need help cleaning up. And there are some areas
where I just need to add a little bit more. Well,
if we want to go by there, like metrics where
it's like three quarterbacks street that maybe some positions only
have four.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
As I pointed out last episode long Snapper, we know
the guy.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
It's Greg Warren.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Okay, great, I didn't even do long Snaper. I didn't
even go down there.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Well they did, so I thought you had to.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
All right, Well we started quarterbacks and they did three.
So number one has been it's so easy.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Two, Charlie, don't get into ast.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
That's exactly what I was thinking too, even though he
was a backup and you just.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Put Mason or Tommy.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Cordell at number three still because okay, he played a
couple of years in the two thousands, but he had
a thirteen and three record in one of those years
and took him to the AFC champions Yeah, it's Cordell, Cordell,
Mineven Charlie too. Yeah, but Charlie was just there forever.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
He was kind of that consistent thing still is here,
like see for me in my mind, like the Cordell era,
Like I was so young for that, Like anything that
I'm too young to remember, I kind of just associate
with the nineties in general.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Yeah, I mean it came down to Ben was obvious.
Batch was obvious two, but in just for different reasons,
just because he's kind of like he's a legend in
his own way in Steelers lore, and he's kind of
got that Moniker as the best backup and won some
games and was such a good sounding board early in
Ben's career. Two, And then it just came down to
like cause, like you said, I briefly thought about Mason
(01:50):
for that just one stretch of play that he had.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah, I mean your point about.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
But then it was really Cordell or Tommy he had,
like you said, he had that thirteen and three year
in two thousand and one got to the Cordell.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Or Tommy Maddox to me, both got to AFC Championship.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Hosted the playoff, Sorry, hosted the AFC Championship.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
But Cordell was just a better player than Tommy Maddox was.
So that's why I gave him the nod.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
And I know it's it's it's it's Cordell.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
And even though he only has kind of cheating right
to dip into the nineties, I argue, and I've said
this before on Mark Show, I think Cordell's the third
best quarterback in Steelers history.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Yeah, that's it's it's not a good crop the big front.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Well, Neila Donald's the one that you would put back
at me. That's the one.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
But I wouldn't even I wouldn't even be like dying
on the sword for Neil O'Donnell.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Really, your only argument is he got him to a
super Bowl. Right. He was bad in that Super Bowl, terrible,
but sure he got him to the super Bowl. And
that's a good argument. Don't get me wrong. Cordell was
so far ahead of his time.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Yeah, Cordell today is the one of the best players
in football and talked about as an MVPA one of
them Fantasy Football Extraordinair.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Oh yeah, like pig one a dude.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Last year I saw some plays from Cordell. Never forget
like the bootlegs that he used to run, like you
take him like ninety yards.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
The thing too, Go Cortell, Go Cordell, Go Cordell. The
thing about that one season two is that you know,
back in the day, like if you threw for three
thousand yards, like that's.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
That was the standard, and then you ran for eight
hundred more, like you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Like, it wasn't four thousand until like Peyton and Tom
got through doing the you're doing the coward shit it
over there.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Look, I know you hear me, Corte, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Like now it's five thousand is the bar to hit
for passing quarterbacks. It was four thousand for a long time,
but back in like the nineties early two thousand, it
was three thousand.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
He got there.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
And like you said, ran for five hundred yards and
five rushing touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
On top of.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
That, he also was one of Neil o'donald's targets at
a wide receiver position when they went to that super
caught that what was that like a ninety or eighty
yard touchdown pass. Yeah, it's incredible, Like he was a
factor in that Neil o'donald's Super Bowl team anyway, I
know he was playing wide receiver, but yeah, I got
Cordella's number three, and that's that's I'm such a forgot
(04:04):
because listen, the history is so rich, but he's such
a forgotten part of it, such a unique player. I mean,
if they beat Brady in or I guess technically it was, uh,
let's so in that game specifically, if they beat the
Patriots and then maybe he doesn't win that Super Bowl
against the Rams, maybe they get blown out by the
(04:24):
greatest show on turf, whatever, then you can say, absolutely,
it's it's it's it's him over O'Donnell. They both got there,
but you like Cordell so much more.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
That's just so unlucky man. Yeah, you know what I wonder, Look,
Brady's Brady, and he's got the mistique and he's got
the aura, right, and like now we just think of
him as like that killer that was his first year.
He's going into hines Field to win an AFC champion.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
But instead they sub in the quarterback that's already won
an AFC championship game and been to a super Bowl.
He lost it, but it's been to a super Bowl,
like Drew Bletsoe was one of the top ten quarterbacks
in the NFL when he went down and got wally
pipped by Tom Brady. How do you remember he went
to Buffalo the next year on a huge deal and
became the starter and the Bills went ninety seven, and
(05:11):
like he was all the.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
He was like he was the face of the franchise.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Dude, he was. He was the face of the PA. Yes, exactly.
He was one of the top ten quarterbacks. He was
on the cover of Backyard Football. For God's sake, he
Drew Buto was a dude. And I honestly wonder, Jacob
if maybe it was a little bit of a blessing
to get that old guy who had to chip on
his shoulder, right, because butso was benched all year. He's like,
I'm Drew butsoon and waiting for him and waiting for
(05:34):
a moment I get dropped into Hines Field. It's a
crazy atmosphere AFC Championship game. I mean we were kids,
but Jacob, that stadium, right, I mean, the Steelers were
on the cusp of the Super Bowl again after losey
the first time. Really, we've gotten this far since losing
to the Cowboys in ninety five like we're so lovating,
like we can get there. We got it at home.
Now it's the Patriots. It's their backup quarterback in Bletsoe.
(05:55):
This Wonder kid's hurt, right. I wonder if bletso was
able to be calm things down and play good where
Brady might have been a.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Little like rattle by the moment.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Yeah, although like Ben was in his first abe, then
they went to the super Bowl and still rattle.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Yeah, not right by Kurt Warner and Marshall Falk and
Tory Holt and all those guys.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Yeah, but that's neutral site and this is Heinesfield. It's
a little bit different.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
I want to play the hypothetical though, is it better
overall long like long long term that you lost that game?
Because if you get to the super Bowl with Cordell,
maybe you win that.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Maybe you signed Cordell again.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
There's no Big Ben in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Maybe Cordell's the quarterback for a couple more years. It's
a very fair right, butterfly effects right right to Wonder.
All right, So there's our quarterbacks running backs? Yeah, are
you going where you're going? I think it's an obvious three.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
It is, But which ordering Lev is number one, Okay,
I think you're doing. I think Jerome Is to seas
number two, and then fast Steamboat Lily's number three. And
honestly I wrote down to just for future reference, like
I wrote down lev Willy Bussy just because I wasn't
really doing the depth chart thing.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
I was just kind of writing the first three names
that come to mind.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
So if I were to say something like that in
the future while we're doing this, please don't jump down
my throat and say I can't believe you ranked Willie
Parker over Jerome Bettis on the depth chart. You're right,
Bussy would be number two, and then Fast Willy would
be number three. Fastival He's got the Super Bowl run.
Jerome Bettis has obviously got just the unbelievable legacy that
was in the nineties as well. But in the early
(07:24):
two thousands, for sure, it's the face of the team.
And then I mean there.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Was just no one better than Le'Veon Bell though, and
from the two thousands to twenty twenty five running.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
The Yeah, we didn't mention this at all.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Last episode when we were talking about the NFL Wide One,
the all free team, we had an issue with Priest
Holmes being up there because we thought he was in
the class more so of like a Clinton portis Brian
Westbrook kind of guys like lev Bell too, Like leve
Bell was in that next tier below the elites of
the elites.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
His problem, though, is even if Priest Holmes was like
seven years, leve was like five five years.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Remember he got hurt one of them when's perfect injury
that came like five or six games into his.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
I have never seen a running back like him though,
and that's that across the board. The only one that
I've in highlights that I've seen that is just so
he's not like him, but his style is so unique
that it's it's similar in that sense is Barry Sanders
just because like but again the same seem.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
More improv stop and stop bake.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Literally there are the highlights of Barry's stopping, but it's
more so the juke a guy out not to let
the whole create itself.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Right, Those are the two running backs that I've I've
never seen anybody run like them when it happened, and
of course Barry was highlights for me. Never since seen
anybody really run like that. I remember Mixing tried to
kind of copy level.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
And then he never worked out for it worked for joke.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Good for Mixing to abandon that, because Mix is a
hell of a running back still just by doing it
his way.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
So those are the three.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
I didn't do any practice squads either, okay, because that's
just too hard. It's hard enough to the positions. D'Angelo
Williams I liked.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
I liked that pick, but that's such a short window.
For twenty he was a backup James Connor.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Good call you at a thousand yard season for the Steelers. Honestly,
Jalen Warren, I'd put Nage over Jalen. Maybe not for
much longer. Maybe Nauge is already gone and Jalen's still around,
all right. I like the D'Angelo Williams pick all right
wide receivers.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
No love for Roscharmond and holding right. We're not putting
him anywhere near or the Garrett Blunt, even though Mandy.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Like many, was a solid player until he fumbled the
ways his career away. Right Lewis first game ever, cracks
his shoulder, breaks it in half. Unbelievable, crazy, welcome to
the NFL. Mude receivers, So they picked six for this list.
Try to get to six year AB's number one, yeah,
number two. I mean those were real clear and obvious. Yeah,
(09:58):
I guess Plexico would be not.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
I would say Wallace at number three, Mike Wallace at three, Okay,
Wallace is on my list too.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
And then would you still put Plexico as one of
the six? No, you wouldn't put burs is one of
the six.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
I'd go tone, Oh, oh, it is the sixth maybe,
but I go tone at number four?
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Who tone, tone, two step tone, two feet tone, Santonio Holmes.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Oh my god, I forgot about Santonio Holmes. Really yeah?
Oh man? And then when you were saying tone and
two feet ton, I was like I'd said Antonio Brown first.
The O James is probably third he won the Super
Bowl MVP over over.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Yeah, he probably is third. Over Mike, Mike was there
for longer.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Do I forget about Holmes?
Speaker 3 (10:37):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Holmes is number three. See.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Hey, you remember how in our previous episode we were
calling out the ESPN writers from making that Listee, just
admit that you forgot about Larry Fitzgerald.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
You just forgot about san Antonio Holmes.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Yeah, so Holmes will be three. So AB Hines and Holmes.
That's a pretty easy one. Then Mike Wallace definitely belongs
on there, Randal L. Plexico, Juju. I put Juju on
there too. I think ju Drew belongs on there.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Can I tell you something crazy?
Speaker 1 (11:04):
I think it's either Randall L. Plexico or Juju.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Not George.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
No, not George can tell you something crazy?
Speaker 2 (11:10):
And they row.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Martavis Bryant maybe out there.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
No, I can't do it.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
It's kind of a short window too.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Yeah, kind of just something crazy.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Let's put Randall L in Plex like four or five.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Let me make it, let's happen.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Let's get the definitive list here, it's Aby Aby Heines Holmes.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Then I think we go Mike, Mike Wallace is a four,
And then I think you go back Plex five.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
And Juju at six?
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Or do you do Randall L just because of like
the super Bowl?
Speaker 2 (11:43):
And yeah? But he really I would.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Say Jujus a better receiver or was than Antoine Randall
L was. But I like Anton Randall L so much
more as a Steeler than I do Jujus.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
You know it's wild.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
I'm looking at the list right here, number nine on
the Steelers all time receiving list is Deontae.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
I can't have a decent case. I can't do just
such a terrible I'm fine with our six. It's put
Randal l in front of Juju. He played for the
Steelers long, I have no bigger moments with the Steelers.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Play won a Super Bowl, played on the second Super
Bowl team, but didn't win it that time.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Remember he came back for the Packers Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Ye had random ll games like he had one hundred
games like.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
I mean, you're talking about a fellow Indiana who's your
alum here? No need then to convince you. So I'll
put him at number one. So let's let's do it.
Let's let's let's solidify this.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Ab ab hines to Mike Wallace, then five and six.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
And that's why.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
With Juju right off the list, Mike Martavis right off
the list. All right, tight ends, they did three on
this list. I mean, Heath and I guess Pat right
are obvious. Two, Vance McDonald number three, Jesse James. I
will never do that. It's not his fault, absolutely, it's
(13:04):
his fault. It's hold on to the football.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
He did No, he didn't. He crossed the plane.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
You would have had to have used the jaws of
life to get that football out of my hands. I
would have carried it to the bench. I would have
held it like a baby. I would have burped it.
Hold onto the damn ball. Bro he did technically, No,
you know how you avoid technically he did. You've never
let go of the ball to this day since so
I can't put Jesse.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
James about, like Jeremy Truman.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Not too bad in Ben's career.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Tuman and Truman, I don't remember.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
I think it's Tuman.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Is it Jeremy or like germ Germaine Truman. I don't
remember great contribution.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
I think vance McDonald maybe just for the play against
the Buccaneers.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
One time, darn all nough.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Not no, and probably not ever.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Vannimal had some moments like Pittsburgh that's funny, Like, uh
so he played for four years.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
He hit six hundred and ten yards one season, four tuddies.
Really yeah, like he had a decent.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
I'm gonna come all time. I mean, this is all time,
So bear with me.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Here. Is Heath number one? Sorry, is Heath number one?
Speaker 2 (14:25):
For sure?
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Receiving tight ends?
Speaker 2 (14:29):
None of these guys like you're.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Not gonna get many receiving yardage tight end numbers out
of Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
No, you're not, ummm no, it's really not a good I.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Think it's I think it's firemouth Miller and then I'm
just gonna throw in Vance.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
I mean, yeah, you're not gonna get much of a
pushback on me. Ex Crimble was a fun guy to
have around. Yeah, but I mean come on, yeah, I
know I'm with you. Zach Gentry, You're how buddy buddy?
Speaker 1 (14:55):
He was six hundred yards like McDonald.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
No, Ladarius Green was here for one season, but should
have a lot better. Matt Speith, I think is the
one we're forgetting.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Connor Hayward.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
No, Speith is a good is a good? Uh wanted
to counter advance McDonald speak would be a good one.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Jeremy Twoman to man Ebron.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
You remember Eric Ebron was here for like once one
that trade.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
I was high about it. I thought that guy, Yeah right,
that was you remember when they were eleven and oh
the dance on the sidelines with that was fun.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Vans McDonald it's hard, I mean advanced.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
I think I don't mind. Really, I think animal as
the number three.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Remember people calling him.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
I like that all right, now this is where I
might get a little blind spotty. So the tackles, right,
I just did, I did Max Starks and then I
did Big al Am. I forgetting a really good tackle somewhere.
I don't know. I don't think I am. Maybe there's
somebody out there that somebody could put forward that's better
than those guys. I think Starks is an easy one. Yeah.
(15:58):
I think.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Trey Essex he was more of like a depth guy though,
and definitely did get Marvel Smith.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Smith was huge. I think Big Hell might just edge
him out.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Though, and also just because of like he had that
army vet kind of thing going for him as.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
He was huge.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Like he wasn't called big out because he was a
big He was massive.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
If you're alignment and you get the nickname big, there's
it's a little extra.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Right right. I would maybe push back. Marvel Smith is the.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Main I think Marvel Smith actually should probably be on
this list in front of him. But Max Starks definitely
sure is a good call to The guards were easy
for me, yea, yeah, yep, no problem, done and dusted
right there.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Any backups you want to go with, Not off the.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Top of my head, I can't really think of any
Kendall Simmons.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Yeah, I know, I know.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
I said, it's it's not like an easy thing to do.
Hold on, I'm trying to think of any more. Oh,
this is two thousand and four. One center Pounce. Yeah,
on one center Pouncy Fraser.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
On his way Fraser. But the other one is Hardings.
Jeffer a Super Bowl came in. I don't know if
he was on the second team, but he won one
on the.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
First one was a big, big you know, you know
it definitely wasn't Jeff Hardings because that offensive line in
O eight was so bad MIAs Max Starks.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Jeff Hardings traded from the Lions to Pittsburgh, came to
Pittsburgh in two thousand and one, and he retired in
two thousand and six. So you were tired of season out,
You're tired when hung out.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Sorry again, I mean we're just on the offensive line.
But that's the first team All Pro. It would probably
be the alternate for the guards. Yeah, big hotel, big ragou.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
I like that. Hardings is a good choice opposite of Pounds.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
See, I mean, yeah, he first, he got the one
first team, He's.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Got multiple first team all pros.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
It's it's a no question that Pouncy is the first
teamer here, but Zach Frazier, give it time.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Give it time. But he's still third at the Yeah,
he's he's third. And then as far as the grand
scheme of things is concerned, Hardings is like fifth. Yeah,
as far as.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Center, would he not be fourth?
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Because I guess we'll do this. You got Webby, you
got Dawson, who, by the way, happy birthday he turned.
Oh really he turned a.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
New age the seventies.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
That was a terrible way to say birthday thing. But yeah,
Demonty Dawson birthday was earlier this week.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Six well sixty on the dot, sixty two days ago.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Seems young. Honestly, I said, seventy Dawson, Webby, Dawson pounds,
Harding's fourth. Yeah, does that make it?
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Probably got forget it anyway, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Yeah, all right. Then we switch over to the defensive
side of the ball, where it's fun edge rushers. I
went t J. Watt, Yeah, I went James Harrison. Alternate
is no, I got either four. There's four that's just
like on the list.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
There's just so we're playing like eight linebackers at a time.
Is that what we're doing?
Speaker 1 (19:08):
No, no, no, no, Like they put four edge rushers on their
list in the quarters here too, when I could, I
tried to match it. So Watt, Harrison, ps PS, Yeah, Woodley, Yeah, yeah,
honorable mention Jason Gilden who just didn't really play for
that and and was dipping into the nineties a little bit,
wasn't he or yeah, I think it.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Was just a short time in the two thousand, right,
But I was saying, and in terms of the six guy.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Being Hi Smith, he might be.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
I think he is for sure. I think he's ahead
of Jason Guilden.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
So Gilden played in the nineties, but he also was
a first team All Pro in two thousand and one.
I don't know. High Smith's never been a first team All.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Pro, but I think on finish with more sacks he'd already.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Yeah, he will, but I don't know. I don't know
Jason Gilden. Jason Gilden retired early too, so that that's
a factor in it as well. But I think the
four are are Watt, Harrison, PZ and Woodley.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Yeah, and then I I would put I would put
high Smith is my fifth guy to be honest defensive
tackles one case, I guess he's more of it.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Put him. There's another position for Vince will Fork. Remember
so I did that, So Cam Aaron Smith?
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Yeah, I have to.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
And then my third one was Kesel the Beard, Yeah,
and to It was a real debate.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
It's probably my mind honorable mention. You know practice squad
partis squad guy.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
I really struggled between two and Kesel. It's yeah, it's
super Bowls and longevity to like you still play forever. Yeah,
seventh round pick too, I mean has something to do
with it, like.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Yeah, so no Sackle, you just got one.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Cam and Smith. Cam and Aaron Smith, though, I think
are easy one too.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Yeah, I would honestly say Kesel's easy as my.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Three too, probably, but I think there's a separation between Smith.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
And here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
If step on two it plays out the rest of
his career, it's easy to put. Yeah, yeah it might,
depending on how well it does. You might even put
him above Aaron Smith.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Maybe, But I was just gonna get to that, Like
Kesel was more popular than Aaron Smith, but Aaron Smith
was a lot better than was.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Those who know know Aaron Smith was the guy.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Yeah, all right, no tackles. It's so, yeah, they don't
even have that position anymore, right, right, So it's gone
to say.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Vince Wilfork like the last true nose tackle in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
And a Snack like those two were like Wilfork played
later than right and Snack, But yeah, that.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Vin work look looks like now, but Snack looks nothing
like a guy that could play nose tackle today.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
All right, linebackers, inside linebackers. Now they put five on
this list. This is where I started with linebackers and
corners and safeties, is where I kind of started to
struggle to match their lists. I think Ferrier is obviously
one one, and then I think foot is number two.
I think that tandem is one two, and I put
Chazier at numbers.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Yeah, that's with me.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Is Vince Williams number four? Then Clark Hagan's that's actually
a pretty good call.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
R P.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
He was interior, right, Clark Haagan's Yeah, you'd probably put
Hagen's up there in front of Vince. So then maybe
that slides Vince to five and we have our five
right there.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Yeah, I'm fine with that.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
It's hard to think of another one. I mean, Queen
talent wise is one of the better ones. But I
need to see a couple more years, I think, and
sheasier foot ferrier and foot for sure put farrier in
front of foot too, like those two.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Sorry, yeah, Frier, I mean yeah, there's no one that would.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Fairy is one of the best middle linebackers in NFL
history right never has talked about it, and he should
have won Defensive Player of the Year. He was a
runner up. I forget what.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Year was his first or second year with the team.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
It was early in a Steelers tenure where he was
runner up to U Defensive Player of the Year, and
you really have to wonder where he would be in
terms of not just this all time greatness of middle linebacker,
where he would be in terms of the Steelers all
time greatest defensive players. It was in two thousand and four,
it was his third year as a Steeler. He was
runner up Defensive Player of the Year. He lost out
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to Ed Reid that year.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Can't blame him by the way.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
He had nine or options that season and he took
one back for the for a touchdown. But I will
say this, I will say this, James Ferriott four interceptions
that year and took one back to the house for
a touchdown. But that's five less than ed Reid, and
ed Reid also as a safety, had three less solo
tackles than James Ferrier did as a linebacker.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Yeah, I mean people talk about James Ferrier being the
best free agent signing in Stewart's history.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
So I don't think anyone would fight Foot over Ferrier.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Or you know what, you lose out to Ed Reid,
that's a lot better than losing out to Stefan Gilmore
exactly that much.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
We're forgetting an obvious answer.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
An inside linebacker LT in the too Oh my god,
of course he's in front of Hagens. He's in front
of Hagen's, he's in front of Williams.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
I could honestly be considered in front of Shazier. I
think he should be in front of Shazier.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
I really do. What a blind spot. I'm so glad
you brought it.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
So it's Ferrier. It might be fairrier LT than Foot.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
I put Foot in front of ELTI just because you
put those two together, and yeah, so damn but El.
But I could say the same thing about like LT,
where it's uh Lt.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Can I forget about Timmins the first round pick two?
Like just a great total steeler was Lawrence Lt.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Alongside Harrison and Woodley and that O eight defense it was,
I mean, don't forget too like by.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Two thousand and eight, forget about him.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Two thousand and eight Tom Larry Foot was behind Laurence
Simmons on the depth chart. It didn't take him very
long Lauren Simmons to surpassed Foot.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
I can't believe I forgot about Lawrence Timmins. He was
a second team All Pro two in twenty fourteen. Yeah,
Timmins is the third best.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Oh, I put him above Foot, Okay, So it's it's
Farrier Timminsimms Foot, Shazier, and then fifth would be Haggins
or Bence.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
I don't mind Bence.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
I think Hagens is a little bit better than maybe Queen.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Maybe Queen a couple of years playing.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Yeah, right, corner is tough.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Number one? Did Shaye number two?
Speaker 1 (24:56):
I put Hayden number two? Now I put the shade, Okay,
but Hayden's three then right? Sure, okay? Then I put
to Shay third, Hayden second, whatever, big big play Willie Gay,
would you put him in there because he had that
knack to make a have a show up at a
big moment.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
Azy cover corner, just the drop off. Also, like, I
think we might only have to limit it to those four.
I can't really think of anybody that is obvious that
jumps out to mind.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
No.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
One in like the mid twenty tens, no, because that's.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
When they were really struggling until Joe Hayden came in
kind of solidifying.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
No. No, I mean, yeah, that that's fine.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Like try to find a fifth. I mean JBJ hopefully
maybe he already is the fifth. Yeah, right, it's been tough.
I think big play, we're starting to find out the
big play Willy Gay. I don't know if you have
a choice but to put him on here though.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Yeah, and he wasn't bad.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
But the top three are very easy with I Caden
and Townsend. I mean, those are the clear three best
corners that you've had.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
I go either whatever, yeah, right, but those are the three.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Yeah, and you like, I'm not trying to like knock Hayden.
The Shae was just.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
You just think better's got a ring. Uh two So
safety they did four on their list. Three were very
very very Yeah, so you're going trull Minca or Clark.
I go RC okay Clark then because and then Minca
and then Minca. Who would be the other one? Now,
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who was Troy's running mate in the first was it
like Ricardo?
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Oh oh oh.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
I was drawing?
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Oh shoot, you know I should absolutely we should all
know this. I don't know why I'm blinking. Please don't
tell me. Please don't tell me, because I want to.
If you, if you give me like the first initial
of the first name, I could get it.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
I'm looking right now.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
It's gonna kill me.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
I know it.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Yeah, it's gonna kill me. This guy, this guy is
number four by the way, and it's gonna kill me.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
I know if he is.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Though he didn't play that long in pitt's Burg. It's
Chris Hope.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
I would I would have no problem there for yeah,
because he was, like you said, like he was the
guy beside.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Troy at the beginning. Yeah, and they were both young together.
But remember Jacob, they went out and got Ryan Clark
because they were needing an upgrade there. They wanted to
get somebody there.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Well that did he leaves, didn't Chris Hope believe either way?
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Ryan Clark was a free agent acquisition too.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Chris Hope left after that season. Like his last game
played for the Seelers was that Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
It's tough to find a.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Another another guy like I guess, like you could say, like, uh,
was it Tyrone Carter who was also on that team.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
I don't know. I think we just might want to
leave it at three for the safety.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
But I know, I don't think there's an issue putting
Hope there.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Oh oh, oh, oh oh, I got one someone that
we talked about the other day.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Oh was he a Mike Mitchell?
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Was he a cornerback? Is a cornerback?
Speaker 1 (28:05):
No?
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Not might stop that he's a cornerback, but this could
have been a good cornerback see Nelson.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Yeah, I mean he didn't play for very long with
the Steelers.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
You remember was that earlier this week that we had that.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Yeah, we're hat options though when it comes to the
corner h yeah, corner safety was a little tougher to
fill out. The kicker is obvious. It's Chris bos Well.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
It's Jeffrey though easy picked for number two, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
There's actually is a practice squad for us. And then punter.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
I don't care where you go.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
I was gonna go with Daniel Sopola.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
I mean you could say Sepol like gard Docky, you
could say Wakeman. Or was Josh Miller of the two
thousands or Johnson. I want to see if Josh gard
Doki got the ring? Si, paulve I got the second ring.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
So Polta was on the second ring team? Actually, oh,
he got a ring with somebody else who Josh Miller. Yeah,
he was a punter for the Patriots right when he.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Now I know the two rings here were Gardaki and
Miller was the was ninety six to ninety nine, and
then he spent four years in Pittsburgh in the two
thousand right before.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
I think it's Gardaky here. It's because could lay the woods.
Sometimes he would come down and hit, and I like
that in my punter a little bit.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
I like Chris Gardaki. Do you know why?
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Because for some reason in the movie Step Brothers, when
they're walking home and they're getting bullied by the kid's.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Name was Chris Gardoki.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Do you think he's a Steeler fan? Has to be right,
I don't know if he has to be. That's kind
of a how do you pick that name? I don't know. Uh,
they did a return specialist and a special teamer. I
guess the because he's won All Pros.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
For it, but second teamer for that would be and
then returner.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
I don't know there haven't you know, Randol, that's a
good call. I was actually gonna go with ab Ab
he had some line.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
They both did.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
They both lectric punt returns. I think you go with
Randall l because once Av become the best receiver in
football punt returning for the Pittsburgh Steelers. So I'll go Randall.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Are you going coach? And OC and DC?
Speaker 1 (30:16):
I really would rather not choose between the two coaches,
just to be honest.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
With the easy pick here is d C.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Maybe you go or Tomlin because Coward did the nineties
damage to and just say like.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Cow and Tomlin's been here for longer, not just in
the thousands, but overall.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
He was with the team longer.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
The cow has been for six of the twenty five years.
Tomlin for the rest of them. But like Cower won
Ring two, like it's tough and Cower only what coach
for like thirteen seasons. Hamon's been here for nearly twenty.
DC is obviously Dick and then where.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Do you go? Do you go Wizn' Hunt? Do you go? BA?
Do you go? Do you go Todd Haley?
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Their numbers were best under Todd Haley, but I think
overall success with numbers, I go either Arians or Wizn't Hunt.
The offense was at its peak. I think with Arians,
Ben was just getting murdered behind that offensive line.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
And the Ken Wasn't Hunt era though, like that was
the trick play era? Right?
Speaker 2 (31:10):
That was?
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Yeah? But also Ken Wasn't Hunt lost to us in
that Super Bowl, so true. All right, that'll do it
for us. Fun segment here to wrap up the week.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
No shout out to mac Anner on that, by the way.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Nope, he didn't just made didn't make the cut there somehow.
We will be back, not next week, but the week
prior or following. Have fun on vacation. I'm on vacation.
Thanks for giving us a listen, enjoy the off season.
Things kind of quiet down now for the Steelers, or
will they maybe something fun will happen. He's Jacob, I'm Tom.
This is the Steelers standard on Steelers Nation Radio, Steelers
(31:40):
Audio Network
With that quarter century team out from ESPN dot com.
We just reviewed it in the last episode. It was
fun for me to go through and try to off
the top of my head. Really, so I want to
put that disclaimer out there. Uh huh.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I'll help you clean up together.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
I need help cleaning up. And there are some areas
where I just need to add a little bit more. Well,
if we want to go by there, like metrics where
it's like three quarterbacks street that maybe some positions only
have four.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
As I pointed out last episode long Snapper, we know
the guy.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
It's Greg Warren.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Okay, great, I didn't even do long Snaper. I didn't
even go down there.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Well they did, so I thought you had to.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
All right, Well we started quarterbacks and they did three.
So number one has been it's so easy.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Two, Charlie, don't get into ast.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
That's exactly what I was thinking too, even though he
was a backup and you just.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Put Mason or Tommy.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Cordell at number three still because okay, he played a
couple of years in the two thousands, but he had
a thirteen and three record in one of those years
and took him to the AFC champions Yeah, it's Cordell, Cordell,
Mineven Charlie too. Yeah, but Charlie was just there forever.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
He was kind of that consistent thing still is here,
like see for me in my mind, like the Cordell era,
Like I was so young for that, Like anything that
I'm too young to remember, I kind of just associate
with the nineties in general.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Yeah, I mean it came down to Ben was obvious.
Batch was obvious two, but in just for different reasons,
just because he's kind of like he's a legend in
his own way in Steelers lore, and he's kind of
got that Moniker as the best backup and won some
games and was such a good sounding board early in
Ben's career. Two, And then it just came down to
like cause, like you said, I briefly thought about Mason
(01:50):
for that just one stretch of play that he had.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah, I mean your point about.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
But then it was really Cordell or Tommy he had,
like you said, he had that thirteen and three year
in two thousand and one got to the Cordell.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Or Tommy Maddox to me, both got to AFC Championship.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Hosted the playoff, Sorry, hosted the AFC Championship.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
But Cordell was just a better player than Tommy Maddox was.
So that's why I gave him the nod.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
And I know it's it's it's it's Cordell.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
And even though he only has kind of cheating right
to dip into the nineties, I argue, and I've said
this before on Mark Show, I think Cordell's the third
best quarterback in Steelers history.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Yeah, that's it's it's not a good crop the big front.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Well, Neila Donald's the one that you would put back
at me. That's the one.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
But I wouldn't even I wouldn't even be like dying
on the sword for Neil O'Donnell.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Really, your only argument is he got him to a
super Bowl. Right. He was bad in that Super Bowl, terrible,
but sure he got him to the super Bowl. And
that's a good argument. Don't get me wrong. Cordell was
so far ahead of his time.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Yeah, Cordell today is the one of the best players
in football and talked about as an MVPA one of
them Fantasy Football Extraordinair.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Oh yeah, like pig one a dude.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Last year I saw some plays from Cordell. Never forget
like the bootlegs that he used to run, like you
take him like ninety yards.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
The thing too, Go Cortell, Go Cordell, Go Cordell. The
thing about that one season two is that you know,
back in the day, like if you threw for three
thousand yards, like that's.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
That was the standard, and then you ran for eight
hundred more, like you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Like, it wasn't four thousand until like Peyton and Tom
got through doing the you're doing the coward shit it
over there.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Look, I know you hear me, Corte, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Like now it's five thousand is the bar to hit
for passing quarterbacks. It was four thousand for a long time,
but back in like the nineties early two thousand, it
was three thousand.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
He got there.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
And like you said, ran for five hundred yards and
five rushing touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
On top of.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
That, he also was one of Neil o'donald's targets at
a wide receiver position when they went to that super
caught that what was that like a ninety or eighty
yard touchdown pass. Yeah, it's incredible, Like he was a
factor in that Neil o'donald's Super Bowl team anyway, I
know he was playing wide receiver, but yeah, I got
Cordella's number three, and that's that's I'm such a forgot
(04:04):
because listen, the history is so rich, but he's such
a forgotten part of it, such a unique player. I mean,
if they beat Brady in or I guess technically it was, uh,
let's so in that game specifically, if they beat the
Patriots and then maybe he doesn't win that Super Bowl
against the Rams, maybe they get blown out by the
(04:24):
greatest show on turf, whatever, then you can say, absolutely,
it's it's it's it's him over O'Donnell. They both got there,
but you like Cordell so much more.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
That's just so unlucky man. Yeah, you know what I wonder, Look,
Brady's Brady, and he's got the mistique and he's got
the aura, right, and like now we just think of
him as like that killer that was his first year.
He's going into hines Field to win an AFC champion.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
But instead they sub in the quarterback that's already won
an AFC championship game and been to a super Bowl.
He lost it, but it's been to a super Bowl,
like Drew Bletsoe was one of the top ten quarterbacks
in the NFL when he went down and got wally
pipped by Tom Brady. How do you remember he went
to Buffalo the next year on a huge deal and
became the starter and the Bills went ninety seven, and
(05:11):
like he was all the.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
He was like he was the face of the franchise.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Dude, he was. He was the face of the PA. Yes, exactly.
He was one of the top ten quarterbacks. He was
on the cover of Backyard Football. For God's sake, he
Drew Buto was a dude. And I honestly wonder, Jacob
if maybe it was a little bit of a blessing
to get that old guy who had to chip on
his shoulder, right, because butso was benched all year. He's like,
I'm Drew butsoon and waiting for him and waiting for
(05:34):
a moment I get dropped into Hines Field. It's a
crazy atmosphere AFC Championship game. I mean we were kids,
but Jacob, that stadium, right, I mean, the Steelers were
on the cusp of the Super Bowl again after losey
the first time. Really, we've gotten this far since losing
to the Cowboys in ninety five like we're so lovating,
like we can get there. We got it at home.
Now it's the Patriots. It's their backup quarterback in Bletsoe.
(05:55):
This Wonder kid's hurt, right. I wonder if bletso was
able to be calm things down and play good where
Brady might have been a.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Little like rattle by the moment.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Yeah, although like Ben was in his first abe, then
they went to the super Bowl and still rattle.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Yeah, not right by Kurt Warner and Marshall Falk and
Tory Holt and all those guys.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Yeah, but that's neutral site and this is Heinesfield. It's
a little bit different.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
I want to play the hypothetical though, is it better
overall long like long long term that you lost that game?
Because if you get to the super Bowl with Cordell,
maybe you win that.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Maybe you signed Cordell again.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
There's no Big Ben in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Maybe Cordell's the quarterback for a couple more years. It's
a very fair right, butterfly effects right right to Wonder.
All right, So there's our quarterbacks running backs? Yeah, are
you going where you're going? I think it's an obvious three.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
It is, But which ordering Lev is number one, Okay,
I think you're doing. I think Jerome Is to seas
number two, and then fast Steamboat Lily's number three. And
honestly I wrote down to just for future reference, like
I wrote down lev Willy Bussy just because I wasn't
really doing the depth chart thing.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
I was just kind of writing the first three names
that come to mind.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
So if I were to say something like that in
the future while we're doing this, please don't jump down
my throat and say I can't believe you ranked Willie
Parker over Jerome Bettis on the depth chart. You're right,
Bussy would be number two, and then Fast Willy would
be number three. Fastival He's got the Super Bowl run.
Jerome Bettis has obviously got just the unbelievable legacy that
was in the nineties as well. But in the early
(07:24):
two thousands, for sure, it's the face of the team.
And then I mean there.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Was just no one better than Le'Veon Bell though, and
from the two thousands to twenty twenty five running.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
The Yeah, we didn't mention this at all.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Last episode when we were talking about the NFL Wide One,
the all free team, we had an issue with Priest
Holmes being up there because we thought he was in
the class more so of like a Clinton portis Brian
Westbrook kind of guys like lev Bell too, Like leve
Bell was in that next tier below the elites of
the elites.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
His problem, though, is even if Priest Holmes was like
seven years, leve was like five five years.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Remember he got hurt one of them when's perfect injury
that came like five or six games into his.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
I have never seen a running back like him though,
and that's that across the board. The only one that
I've in highlights that I've seen that is just so
he's not like him, but his style is so unique
that it's it's similar in that sense is Barry Sanders
just because like but again the same seem.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
More improv stop and stop bake.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Literally there are the highlights of Barry's stopping, but it's
more so the juke a guy out not to let
the whole create itself.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Right, Those are the two running backs that I've I've
never seen anybody run like them when it happened, and
of course Barry was highlights for me. Never since seen
anybody really run like that. I remember Mixing tried to
kind of copy level.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
And then he never worked out for it worked for joke.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Good for Mixing to abandon that, because Mix is a
hell of a running back still just by doing it
his way.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
So those are the three.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
I didn't do any practice squads either, okay, because that's
just too hard. It's hard enough to the positions. D'Angelo
Williams I liked.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
I liked that pick, but that's such a short window.
For twenty he was a backup James Connor.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Good call you at a thousand yard season for the Steelers. Honestly,
Jalen Warren, I'd put Nage over Jalen. Maybe not for
much longer. Maybe Nauge is already gone and Jalen's still around,
all right. I like the D'Angelo Williams pick all right
wide receivers.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
No love for Roscharmond and holding right. We're not putting
him anywhere near or the Garrett Blunt, even though Mandy.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Like many, was a solid player until he fumbled the
ways his career away. Right Lewis first game ever, cracks
his shoulder, breaks it in half. Unbelievable, crazy, welcome to
the NFL. Mude receivers, So they picked six for this list.
Try to get to six year AB's number one, yeah,
number two. I mean those were real clear and obvious. Yeah,
(09:58):
I guess Plexico would be not.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
I would say Wallace at number three, Mike Wallace at three, Okay,
Wallace is on my list too.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
And then would you still put Plexico as one of
the six? No, you wouldn't put burs is one of
the six.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
I'd go tone, Oh, oh, it is the sixth maybe,
but I go tone at number four?
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Who tone, tone, two step tone, two feet tone, Santonio Holmes.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Oh my god, I forgot about Santonio Holmes. Really yeah?
Oh man? And then when you were saying tone and
two feet ton, I was like I'd said Antonio Brown first.
The O James is probably third he won the Super
Bowl MVP over over.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Yeah, he probably is third. Over Mike, Mike was there
for longer.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Do I forget about Holmes?
Speaker 3 (10:37):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Holmes is number three. See.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Hey, you remember how in our previous episode we were
calling out the ESPN writers from making that Listee, just
admit that you forgot about Larry Fitzgerald.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
You just forgot about san Antonio Holmes.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Yeah, so Holmes will be three. So AB Hines and Holmes.
That's a pretty easy one. Then Mike Wallace definitely belongs
on there, Randal L. Plexico, Juju. I put Juju on
there too. I think ju Drew belongs on there.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Can I tell you something crazy?
Speaker 1 (11:04):
I think it's either Randall L. Plexico or Juju.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Not George.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
No, not George can tell you something crazy?
Speaker 2 (11:10):
And they row.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Martavis Bryant maybe out there.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
No, I can't do it.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
It's kind of a short window too.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Yeah, kind of just something crazy.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Let's put Randall L in Plex like four or five.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Let me make it, let's happen.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Let's get the definitive list here, it's Aby Aby Heines Holmes.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Then I think we go Mike, Mike Wallace is a four,
And then I think you go back Plex five.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
And Juju at six?
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Or do you do Randall L just because of like
the super Bowl?
Speaker 2 (11:43):
And yeah? But he really I would.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Say Jujus a better receiver or was than Antoine Randall
L was. But I like Anton Randall L so much
more as a Steeler than I do Jujus.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
You know it's wild.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
I'm looking at the list right here, number nine on
the Steelers all time receiving list is Deontae.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
I can't have a decent case. I can't do just
such a terrible I'm fine with our six. It's put
Randal l in front of Juju. He played for the
Steelers long, I have no bigger moments with the Steelers.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Play won a Super Bowl, played on the second Super
Bowl team, but didn't win it that time.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Remember he came back for the Packers Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Ye had random ll games like he had one hundred
games like.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
I mean, you're talking about a fellow Indiana who's your
alum here? No need then to convince you. So I'll
put him at number one. So let's let's do it.
Let's let's let's solidify this.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Ab ab hines to Mike Wallace, then five and six.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
And that's why.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
With Juju right off the list, Mike Martavis right off
the list. All right, tight ends, they did three on
this list. I mean, Heath and I guess Pat right
are obvious. Two, Vance McDonald number three, Jesse James. I
will never do that. It's not his fault, absolutely, it's
(13:04):
his fault. It's hold on to the football.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
He did No, he didn't. He crossed the plane.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
You would have had to have used the jaws of
life to get that football out of my hands. I
would have carried it to the bench. I would have
held it like a baby. I would have burped it.
Hold onto the damn ball. Bro he did technically, No,
you know how you avoid technically he did. You've never
let go of the ball to this day since so
I can't put Jesse.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
James about, like Jeremy Truman.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Not too bad in Ben's career.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Tuman and Truman, I don't remember.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
I think it's Tuman.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Is it Jeremy or like germ Germaine Truman. I don't
remember great contribution.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
I think vance McDonald maybe just for the play against
the Buccaneers.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
One time, darn all nough.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Not no, and probably not ever.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Vannimal had some moments like Pittsburgh that's funny, Like, uh
so he played for four years.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
He hit six hundred and ten yards one season, four tuddies.
Really yeah, like he had a decent.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
I'm gonna come all time. I mean, this is all time,
So bear with me.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Here. Is Heath number one? Sorry, is Heath number one?
Speaker 2 (14:25):
For sure?
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Receiving tight ends?
Speaker 2 (14:29):
None of these guys like you're.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Not gonna get many receiving yardage tight end numbers out
of Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
No, you're not, ummm no, it's really not a good I.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Think it's I think it's firemouth Miller and then I'm
just gonna throw in Vance.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
I mean, yeah, you're not gonna get much of a
pushback on me. Ex Crimble was a fun guy to
have around. Yeah, but I mean come on, yeah, I
know I'm with you. Zach Gentry, You're how buddy buddy?
Speaker 1 (14:55):
He was six hundred yards like McDonald.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
No, Ladarius Green was here for one season, but should
have a lot better. Matt Speith, I think is the
one we're forgetting.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Connor Hayward.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
No, Speith is a good is a good? Uh wanted
to counter advance McDonald speak would be a good one.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Jeremy Twoman to man Ebron.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
You remember Eric Ebron was here for like once one
that trade.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
I was high about it. I thought that guy, Yeah right,
that was you remember when they were eleven and oh
the dance on the sidelines with that was fun.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Vans McDonald it's hard, I mean advanced.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
I think I don't mind. Really, I think animal as
the number three.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Remember people calling him.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
I like that all right, now this is where I
might get a little blind spotty. So the tackles, right,
I just did, I did Max Starks and then I
did Big al Am. I forgetting a really good tackle somewhere.
I don't know. I don't think I am. Maybe there's
somebody out there that somebody could put forward that's better
than those guys. I think Starks is an easy one. Yeah.
(15:58):
I think.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Trey Essex he was more of like a depth guy though,
and definitely did get Marvel Smith.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Smith was huge. I think Big Hell might just edge
him out.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Though, and also just because of like he had that
army vet kind of thing going for him as.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
He was huge.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Like he wasn't called big out because he was a
big He was massive.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
If you're alignment and you get the nickname big, there's
it's a little extra.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Right right. I would maybe push back. Marvel Smith is the.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Main I think Marvel Smith actually should probably be on
this list in front of him. But Max Starks definitely
sure is a good call to The guards were easy
for me, yea, yeah, yep, no problem, done and dusted
right there.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Any backups you want to go with, Not off the.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Top of my head, I can't really think of any
Kendall Simmons.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Yeah, I know, I know.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
I said, it's it's not like an easy thing to do.
Hold on, I'm trying to think of any more. Oh,
this is two thousand and four. One center Pounce. Yeah,
on one center Pouncy Fraser.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
On his way Fraser. But the other one is Hardings.
Jeffer a Super Bowl came in. I don't know if
he was on the second team, but he won one
on the.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
First one was a big, big you know, you know
it definitely wasn't Jeff Hardings because that offensive line in
O eight was so bad MIAs Max Starks.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Jeff Hardings traded from the Lions to Pittsburgh, came to
Pittsburgh in two thousand and one, and he retired in
two thousand and six. So you were tired of season out,
You're tired when hung out.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Sorry again, I mean we're just on the offensive line.
But that's the first team All Pro. It would probably
be the alternate for the guards. Yeah, big hotel, big ragou.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
I like that. Hardings is a good choice opposite of Pounds.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
See, I mean, yeah, he first, he got the one
first team, He's.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Got multiple first team all pros.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
It's it's a no question that Pouncy is the first
teamer here, but Zach Frazier, give it time.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Give it time. But he's still third at the Yeah,
he's he's third. And then as far as the grand
scheme of things is concerned, Hardings is like fifth. Yeah,
as far as.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Center, would he not be fourth?
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Because I guess we'll do this. You got Webby, you
got Dawson, who, by the way, happy birthday he turned.
Oh really he turned a.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
New age the seventies.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
That was a terrible way to say birthday thing. But yeah,
Demonty Dawson birthday was earlier this week.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Six well sixty on the dot, sixty two days ago.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Seems young. Honestly, I said, seventy Dawson, Webby, Dawson pounds,
Harding's fourth. Yeah, does that make it?
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Probably got forget it anyway, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Yeah, all right. Then we switch over to the defensive
side of the ball, where it's fun edge rushers. I
went t J. Watt, Yeah, I went James Harrison. Alternate
is no, I got either four. There's four that's just
like on the list.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
There's just so we're playing like eight linebackers at a time.
Is that what we're doing?
Speaker 1 (19:08):
No, no, no, no, Like they put four edge rushers on their
list in the quarters here too, when I could, I
tried to match it. So Watt, Harrison, ps PS, Yeah, Woodley, Yeah, yeah,
honorable mention Jason Gilden who just didn't really play for
that and and was dipping into the nineties a little bit,
wasn't he or yeah, I think it.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Was just a short time in the two thousand, right,
But I was saying, and in terms of the six guy.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Being Hi Smith, he might be.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
I think he is for sure. I think he's ahead
of Jason Guilden.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
So Gilden played in the nineties, but he also was
a first team All Pro in two thousand and one.
I don't know. High Smith's never been a first team All.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Pro, but I think on finish with more sacks he'd already.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Yeah, he will, but I don't know. I don't know
Jason Gilden. Jason Gilden retired early too, so that that's
a factor in it as well. But I think the
four are are Watt, Harrison, PZ and Woodley.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Yeah, and then I I would put I would put
high Smith is my fifth guy to be honest defensive
tackles one case, I guess he's more of it.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Put him. There's another position for Vince will Fork. Remember
so I did that, So Cam Aaron Smith?
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Yeah, I have to.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
And then my third one was Kesel the Beard, Yeah,
and to It was a real debate.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
It's probably my mind honorable mention. You know practice squad
partis squad guy.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
I really struggled between two and Kesel. It's yeah, it's
super Bowls and longevity to like you still play forever. Yeah,
seventh round pick too, I mean has something to do
with it, like.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Yeah, so no Sackle, you just got one.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Cam and Smith. Cam and Aaron Smith, though, I think
are easy one too.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Yeah, I would honestly say Kesel's easy as my.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Three too, probably, but I think there's a separation between Smith.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
And here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
If step on two it plays out the rest of
his career, it's easy to put. Yeah, yeah it might,
depending on how well it does. You might even put
him above Aaron Smith.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Maybe, But I was just gonna get to that, Like
Kesel was more popular than Aaron Smith, but Aaron Smith
was a lot better than was.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Those who know know Aaron Smith was the guy.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Yeah, all right, no tackles. It's so, yeah, they don't
even have that position anymore, right, right, So it's gone
to say.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Vince Wilfork like the last true nose tackle in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
And a Snack like those two were like Wilfork played
later than right and Snack, But yeah, that.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Vin work look looks like now, but Snack looks nothing
like a guy that could play nose tackle today.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
All right, linebackers, inside linebackers. Now they put five on
this list. This is where I started with linebackers and
corners and safeties, is where I kind of started to
struggle to match their lists. I think Ferrier is obviously
one one, and then I think foot is number two.
I think that tandem is one two, and I put
Chazier at numbers.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Yeah, that's with me.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Is Vince Williams number four? Then Clark Hagan's that's actually
a pretty good call.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
R P.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
He was interior, right, Clark Haagan's Yeah, you'd probably put
Hagen's up there in front of Vince. So then maybe
that slides Vince to five and we have our five
right there.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Yeah, I'm fine with that.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
It's hard to think of another one. I mean, Queen
talent wise is one of the better ones. But I
need to see a couple more years, I think, and
sheasier foot ferrier and foot for sure put farrier in
front of foot too, like those two.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Sorry, yeah, Frier, I mean yeah, there's no one that would.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Fairy is one of the best middle linebackers in NFL
history right never has talked about it, and he should
have won Defensive Player of the Year. He was a
runner up. I forget what.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Year was his first or second year with the team.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
It was early in a Steelers tenure where he was
runner up to U Defensive Player of the Year, and
you really have to wonder where he would be in
terms of not just this all time greatness of middle linebacker,
where he would be in terms of the Steelers all
time greatest defensive players. It was in two thousand and four,
it was his third year as a Steeler. He was
runner up Defensive Player of the Year. He lost out
(22:53):
to Ed Reid that year.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Can't blame him by the way.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
He had nine or options that season and he took
one back for the for a touchdown. But I will
say this, I will say this, James Ferriott four interceptions
that year and took one back to the house for
a touchdown. But that's five less than ed Reid, and
ed Reid also as a safety, had three less solo
tackles than James Ferrier did as a linebacker.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Yeah, I mean people talk about James Ferrier being the
best free agent signing in Stewart's history.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
So I don't think anyone would fight Foot over Ferrier.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Or you know what, you lose out to Ed Reid,
that's a lot better than losing out to Stefan Gilmore
exactly that much.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
We're forgetting an obvious answer.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
An inside linebacker LT in the too Oh my god,
of course he's in front of Hagens. He's in front
of Hagen's, he's in front of Williams.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
I could honestly be considered in front of Shazier. I
think he should be in front of Shazier.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
I really do. What a blind spot. I'm so glad
you brought it.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
So it's Ferrier. It might be fairrier LT than Foot.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
I put Foot in front of ELTI just because you
put those two together, and yeah, so damn but El.
But I could say the same thing about like LT,
where it's uh Lt.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Can I forget about Timmins the first round pick two?
Like just a great total steeler was Lawrence Lt.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Alongside Harrison and Woodley and that O eight defense it was,
I mean, don't forget too like by.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Two thousand and eight, forget about him.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Two thousand and eight Tom Larry Foot was behind Laurence
Simmons on the depth chart. It didn't take him very
long Lauren Simmons to surpassed Foot.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
I can't believe I forgot about Lawrence Timmins. He was
a second team All Pro two in twenty fourteen. Yeah,
Timmins is the third best.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Oh, I put him above Foot, Okay, So it's it's
Farrier Timminsimms Foot, Shazier, and then fifth would be Haggins
or Bence.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
I don't mind Bence.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
I think Hagens is a little bit better than maybe Queen.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Maybe Queen a couple of years playing.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Yeah, right, corner is tough.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Number one? Did Shaye number two?
Speaker 1 (24:56):
I put Hayden number two? Now I put the shade, Okay,
but Hayden's three then right? Sure, okay? Then I put
to Shay third, Hayden second, whatever, big big play Willie Gay,
would you put him in there because he had that
knack to make a have a show up at a
big moment.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
Azy cover corner, just the drop off. Also, like, I
think we might only have to limit it to those four.
I can't really think of anybody that is obvious that
jumps out to mind.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
No.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
One in like the mid twenty tens, no, because that's.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
When they were really struggling until Joe Hayden came in
kind of solidifying.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
No. No, I mean, yeah, that that's fine.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Like try to find a fifth. I mean JBJ hopefully
maybe he already is the fifth. Yeah, right, it's been tough.
I think big play, we're starting to find out the
big play Willy Gay. I don't know if you have
a choice but to put him on here though.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Yeah, and he wasn't bad.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
But the top three are very easy with I Caden
and Townsend. I mean, those are the clear three best
corners that you've had.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
I go either whatever, yeah, right, but those are the three.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Yeah, and you like, I'm not trying to like knock Hayden.
The Shae was just.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
You just think better's got a ring. Uh two So
safety they did four on their list. Three were very
very very Yeah, so you're going trull Minca or Clark.
I go RC okay Clark then because and then Minca
and then Minca. Who would be the other one? Now,
(26:29):
who was Troy's running mate in the first was it
like Ricardo?
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Oh oh oh.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
I was drawing?
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Oh shoot, you know I should absolutely we should all
know this. I don't know why I'm blinking. Please don't
tell me. Please don't tell me, because I want to.
If you, if you give me like the first initial
of the first name, I could get it.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
I'm looking right now.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
It's gonna kill me.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
I know it.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Yeah, it's gonna kill me. This guy, this guy is
number four by the way, and it's gonna kill me.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
I know if he is.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Though he didn't play that long in pitt's Burg. It's
Chris Hope.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
I would I would have no problem there for yeah,
because he was, like you said, like he was the
guy beside.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Troy at the beginning. Yeah, and they were both young together.
But remember Jacob, they went out and got Ryan Clark
because they were needing an upgrade there. They wanted to
get somebody there.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Well that did he leaves, didn't Chris Hope believe either way?
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Ryan Clark was a free agent acquisition too.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Chris Hope left after that season. Like his last game
played for the Seelers was that Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
It's tough to find a.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Another another guy like I guess, like you could say, like, uh,
was it Tyrone Carter who was also on that team.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
I don't know. I think we just might want to
leave it at three for the safety.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
But I know, I don't think there's an issue putting
Hope there.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Oh oh, oh, oh oh, I got one someone that
we talked about the other day.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Oh was he a Mike Mitchell?
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Was he a cornerback? Is a cornerback?
Speaker 1 (28:05):
No?
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Not might stop that he's a cornerback, but this could
have been a good cornerback see Nelson.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Yeah, I mean he didn't play for very long with
the Steelers.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
You remember was that earlier this week that we had that.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Yeah, we're hat options though when it comes to the
corner h yeah, corner safety was a little tougher to
fill out. The kicker is obvious. It's Chris bos Well.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
It's Jeffrey though easy picked for number two, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
There's actually is a practice squad for us. And then punter.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
I don't care where you go.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
I was gonna go with Daniel Sopola.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
I mean you could say Sepol like gard Docky, you
could say Wakeman. Or was Josh Miller of the two
thousands or Johnson. I want to see if Josh gard
Doki got the ring? Si, paulve I got the second ring.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
So Polta was on the second ring team? Actually, oh,
he got a ring with somebody else who Josh Miller. Yeah,
he was a punter for the Patriots right when he.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Now I know the two rings here were Gardaki and
Miller was the was ninety six to ninety nine, and
then he spent four years in Pittsburgh in the two
thousand right before.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
I think it's Gardaky here. It's because could lay the woods.
Sometimes he would come down and hit, and I like
that in my punter a little bit.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
I like Chris Gardaki. Do you know why?
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Because for some reason in the movie Step Brothers, when
they're walking home and they're getting bullied by the kid's.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Name was Chris Gardoki.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Do you think he's a Steeler fan? Has to be right,
I don't know if he has to be. That's kind
of a how do you pick that name? I don't know. Uh,
they did a return specialist and a special teamer. I
guess the because he's won All Pros.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
For it, but second teamer for that would be and
then returner.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
I don't know there haven't you know, Randol, that's a
good call. I was actually gonna go with ab Ab
he had some line.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
They both did.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
They both lectric punt returns. I think you go with
Randall l because once Av become the best receiver in
football punt returning for the Pittsburgh Steelers. So I'll go Randall.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Are you going coach? And OC and DC?
Speaker 1 (30:16):
I really would rather not choose between the two coaches,
just to be honest.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
With the easy pick here is d C.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Maybe you go or Tomlin because Coward did the nineties
damage to and just say like.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Cow and Tomlin's been here for longer, not just in
the thousands, but overall.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
He was with the team longer.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
The cow has been for six of the twenty five years.
Tomlin for the rest of them. But like Cower won
Ring two, like it's tough and Cower only what coach
for like thirteen seasons. Hamon's been here for nearly twenty.
DC is obviously Dick and then where.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Do you go? Do you go Wizn' Hunt? Do you go? BA?
Do you go? Do you go Todd Haley?
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Their numbers were best under Todd Haley, but I think
overall success with numbers, I go either Arians or Wizn't Hunt.
The offense was at its peak. I think with Arians,
Ben was just getting murdered behind that offensive line.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
And the Ken Wasn't Hunt era though, like that was
the trick play era? Right?
Speaker 2 (31:10):
That was?
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Yeah? But also Ken Wasn't Hunt lost to us in
that Super Bowl, so true. All right, that'll do it
for us. Fun segment here to wrap up the week.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
No shout out to mac Anner on that, by the way.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Nope, he didn't just made didn't make the cut there somehow.
We will be back, not next week, but the week
prior or following. Have fun on vacation. I'm on vacation.
Thanks for giving us a listen, enjoy the off season.
Things kind of quiet down now for the Steelers, or
will they maybe something fun will happen. He's Jacob, I'm Tom.
This is the Steelers standard on Steelers Nation Radio, Steelers
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