September 24, 2025 • 41 mins
This week on Stew and the Crew, J-Stew is joined by Panther legend, Mike Tolbert, to recap the Panthers shut out win over the Falcons, have an honest conversation about the mental health of former football players, swap stories from their time playing together, and so much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We're the thirteenth pick in the two thousand and eight
NFL draft.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Caroline's hand their select Jonathan Stewart gives to Stewart. He
leaves touched up.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Stewart oh rough tough right, angry man out at elbows, knees.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Stewart hesitates, accelerates.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
That's what I'm talking about. Fit the spash ball.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Football contain Stuart cat running around. Stewart jump over a
tackler at the tenth flows jump Laur's his shoulder, keeps running.
No one will touch him. Jonathan Stewart house does it?
You talk about explosive plays in the run game. It's
like the fourth of July around here right now.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
You are listening to Stu and the Crew.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
Welcome back to Stu and the Crew, Week four. Got
my guy here, Mike Tolbert. Some of y'all know him
as Told Dozer, some of y'all know him as number
thirty five. Some of y'all might know him as the
Dance and Teddy Bear. I am the Crew today, everybody.
He is the Crew today. Two times first Team All Pro,
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All Pro ladies and gentlemen, not pro bo. All Pro
mean the best in the world. Okay, two times. You
know a guy that got it out of the mud,
in my opinion, undrafted, and and here he is, Carolina Panther,
great charger Great. I mean, he's done things that I
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feel a lot of people might have not really given
you the shot of doing right. You know, I want
to talk about you know, your your your upcoming. I
want to talk about how you got here. We're going
to talk about the Panthers today and we're gonna shed
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some light on something that's very sensitive to the NFL
world right now with Rudy Johnson. But but first of all, Man,
I'm glad to have you on the show.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Man.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
Been a long time. It's been a long time coming up,
been a long time, long time coming little Yeah, Man,
I appreciate it. Man, that was a hell of bit intro. Yeah,
I appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (02:09):
Man.
Speaker 6 (02:09):
I like you said, I got it out the mud. Man,
I'm happy about it. I obviously got some more growing
and do things to do, but I'm excited about the future.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
So you came in as an undrafted free agent. How
did you carry yourself differently? Uh? As far as being undrafted,
did you have an intention behind you know, you're the
focus of letting guys on the team know who you were.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
You know, obviously when you step on the field, you're
gonna try to do what you gotta do. But as
far as like your personality, did you where you where
you just yourself all the time?
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Did you bring it up a notch?
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Like?
Speaker 1 (02:51):
What was that like as an undrafted.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Guy coming in undrafted?
Speaker 6 (02:56):
Like the first person I met was Antonio Gates, and
I'm like, this guy is two or three times All
Pro Pro bowler, and I'm like, oh my god. But
then I saw Sean Merriman walking as I walking into
Georgia facility, I'm just like, man, I gotta hit him.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Right, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (03:16):
But I've always lived by you know, the cream gonna
rise to the top. I've always ever since Thomas Cobb,
He's his nickname is Squirk, ever since he said that
when I was like seven years old. Yeah, cream gonna
rise to the top. You gotta be ready to go
when it's time to go. So I've always lived by that.
So it didn't matter who I was playing against, who
I was going against.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Who always.
Speaker 6 (03:39):
Getting ready to hit in a drill, I'm just gonna
go do me and if he's better than me, it's
gonna show better than him, it's gonna show. So I
never I never tried to up myself in front of people.
I always just be me, you know what I'm saying,
Like you know me, I'm lighthearted, I have.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
A good time. I like to laugh. I like to
make people laugh. I like to dance. I like to
play music.
Speaker 6 (03:59):
And that was the case day one when I walked
into charge facility and they whatever, it is your team
when I left the Buffalo Bills. You know what I'm saying,
I'm gonna be me regardless. If you don't like it,
that's on you.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
I like me.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Where does that come from?
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Like your personality and your lightheardness, your lightheart and just
affection for people.
Speaker 6 (04:23):
I think it's just my love for life in general,
you know what I'm saying. Like my mom growing up,
my mom was you know, she's one of five you
know what I mean, five girls, three or four boys.
Like it's a lot of them. My granddaddy was doing
this thing, you know.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
What I'm saying, the sea.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (04:39):
But like my mom worked two and three jobs. My
sister is four years older than me, so I spent
a lot of time alone, so I had to entertain myself,
so I would crack jokes on myself.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
What kind of jokes was you clowning yourself about?
Speaker 6 (04:56):
Like it's just little stuff, you know what I'm saying,
Like if you do something you trick, I'm gonna say
something like if I trip up the steps, a stupid joker, right,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
But it don't make no sense. You just feel up,
you fall up. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (05:11):
Stuff like that, and I just I carry that on
to when I meet new people, you know, and it's
kind of infectious.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
You know, it is infectious because I remember the first
day you got to Carolina, like your presence next to
me as a locker mate, it was.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
It was life.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
It was life changing for me because I'm not gonna lie.
You already know I come into work hurt, feeling bad
for myself, whatever it is. There's told hey man, it's
gonna be all right, good vibe es yative. Yeah, but
so I obviously appreciate that. We'll get to that. But
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I wanted to talk about your name. Told those where
did you get it? So that people know.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
And how do you? How did you feel about it?
Speaker 6 (06:06):
So it came from a buddy of mine that I
went to college with. He's real good friends with the
guy that owns seven o four shop or something like.
He's real good friends with him, and they wanted to
do something for me since I came in twenty twelve,
they wanted to do something, so creating me his shirt
and the shirt was me riding a told like riding
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a bulldog title, and it was something that he was like.
When I met the guy, he was just like, yeah, man,
told those Its just I was.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Letting where that comes from. I like that, you know
what I'm saying. And I loved it.
Speaker 6 (06:43):
You know what I'm saying because I've i mean obviously
playing with Cam, you get so many niggas and you
might not like it. You know, Cam called me patty man,
and I was like, what what that means?
Speaker 2 (06:57):
You know what I'm saying, tubble goog. I'm just like
that ain't flattering.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Yeah, he would call me thick and I've been like,
hey man, pause.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (07:07):
So like, so when told those came around, I was like, yeah,
that's that's gonna stick.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
We also know you as short Round.
Speaker 6 (07:16):
Yeah, that's that's Chico. That's Chico as coach Rivera. He
called me short Round after some TV shows they used
to be.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Back in the day, back in the sixties. Yeah, you
know black and white TV old.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
Talk about your relationship with Chico actually, you know being uh,
you know a guy that came from the Chargers, being
on a Chargers team with a lot of great players,
talking about you played with two three Hall two Hall
of Famers.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Two now probably two more than works.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Yeah, and that's Ladani and Thomas and Antonio Gates. Well,
Philip Rivers that was on the way, Darren Spros was
around you, all right.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
I learned how to play the game the right way. Though.
Speaker 6 (08:03):
You know, Chico is like he's real invaluable to my
career because he kind of taught me.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
You know.
Speaker 6 (08:10):
When I first came here, we sat down, we went
to Sullivan's steakhouse. It was just me, him, his wife,
and Stephanie, my wife. And you remember Settle.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
That's a big joker right now.
Speaker 6 (08:25):
So we sat down and he just laid out the
vision of what he had for me. It wasn't to
be all pro. It wasn't to be Pro Bowl or
team captain, none of that. It was just to bring
the culture that he needed, you know what I'm saying.
And all that other stuff just happened because the way
that I knew that he wanted things, you know, I
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just was being me. But then you know I brought
music to the locker room. Yeah, you know what I'm saying,
Like bringing the music to the locker room, bringing the
booger sugar, you know what I'm saying, Like stuff that
I didn't say that we didn't san.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Diego there, get here, Like it's kind of quiet on
game day? Man, what's going on?
Speaker 2 (09:05):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 6 (09:06):
So that type of thing. You know, he helped bring
my my character out as well. But I mean I
love that got to death.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
That's what he did.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
He did a good job of you know, understand he
had a good awareness of guys in their personalities, and
he allowed that to be so vibrant. Uh because to
your point, before you got there, it was it was
it was quiet in certain settings, right, Like nobody challenged
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the quiet like after a loss, after a bad practice, right,
I remember, I remember after bad games, bad practices, it
was like y'all better. I better come in here and
be quiet and that like y'all mad that y'all that
we just laugh that we just lost.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
You know what I'm saying, Like play the part right.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
It's like you better not be on the bus after
I lost, cracking jokes, right, that type of vibe, and
there's a time in the place where you absolutely tap
into that so that way you can reflect.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Right.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
But I remember, man, I'm trying to think only I
can't recall the actual game, but I remember a game.
It might have been in practice, and it just felt
like it was a game. Now we came in and
I heard gospel music. I'm like, huh okay, yeah, that
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makes the next things feel better, right, sets the tone right.
It's almost like if you get in trouble at home
and like you know, you, oh you get home late,
go to your room, open the Bible up, your mama,
come in there, Mama coming in there, like, oh, you
reading the Bible. Huh okay, yeah, you better read the
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Bible because you're late.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
You know I did.
Speaker 6 (10:57):
I did the thing with JJ riding in the car
thing and he said that I had a knack for
knowing the situation. You know what I'm saying where to
put knowing the situation on what music to play, when
to play it, because I remember that too. That was
after a game here we had lost here.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
I can't remember what game it was. It was a
preseason Miami tore us apart. But I fumbled in it,
you know what I'm saying. He tore us apart.
Speaker 6 (11:24):
And I'm just sitting there, like, bro, it's week two
of the preseason, Like what are we doing? You know
what I'm saying, Why are we so like mundane right now?
So I put the gospel music on and I looked
down towards the training room and RV is looking, and
then she could come around the corner and look and
he just starts smiling.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Put his head down because he already knew who it was.
And then they just kind of likened the entire mood
of the locker room. Man.
Speaker 6 (11:51):
You know, it's it's fun, man, But at the end
of the day, this is a child's game that we played,
and taking the streatment serious, you gotta enjoy enjoy it
because you may get two games, you may get two years,
you may get ten.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
You don't know, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
So you got to enjoy it, right, What was your
mindset like while you were in college, you know at
Coastal Savage just a savage off the field, that field
savage I was.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
I was enjoying college life. Man. I love playing.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
Ball at Coastal because that's what That's what one of
the things when I first met you, like when you
talk about like, I love you love like if I
had to put it in the phrase told love's life. Yes,
and if you are a part of his life, you
would be loved like and and I feel honored to
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have like have had you as a teammate, but more
so as a brother. You know what I'm saying, because
like that that is. But but my question is, bro, like,
do you wear that as like something that's heavy when
you come into a room knowing that you have to
be this positive light all the time or is it
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something that you that you know, have struggles with sometimes
because because as I know, like consistency as a father,
as a husband, as a friend, provider, son, and you
are always consistent.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
It is it is tough.
Speaker 6 (13:30):
But at the same time, I'm a product of who
my mama made. You know what I'm saying, My mama
has always figured it out, you know what I'm saying.
So we like to say in our family, Hey, I
gotta figure it out. Bonus right there next to mine.
So my rebcage, Well, it's something happened, whatever it is,
got to figure it out, you know what I'm saying.
So it's gonna come up tomorrow for somebody, but we
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gotta figure it out.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
You know.
Speaker 6 (13:52):
I have a very optimistic look on life, you know,
where I see the positive of what can come from everything,
every situation. You know, like when my grandma passed away
when I was in San Diego. You know, team flew
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me to Atlanta from San Diego, you know, and I'm devastated,
Like my grandma was the light of my.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Life, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (14:22):
And north turn the flight, I told me, you don't
have to play. I know how close you all are,
you don't have to play. And I was like, I
can't stay here, you know what I'm saying, Like I
can't be by myself.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Let me be around my brother.
Speaker 6 (14:33):
So Darren Spros came with me to the funeral and
then we went from Atlanta to Cleveland. I had the
longest play in my career that day, you know, what
I'm saying, So like it's one of those things where
like life is so intertwined that like.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
You can't be too up and too down.
Speaker 6 (14:52):
Now I've had my time, especially since I retire, that
I've fallen into like a funk, like a deeper depression
type state, and it took some work to get out
of it. But at the same time, I had people
like yourself, you know, that I could call on and
just vent to and just talk, you know what I'm saying.
And Cody Sensible is another one. You know what I'm saying,
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God that I lean leaned on heavy during that dark time,
you know, and my wife and my family as well.
But I'm so lucky to be in this position, you
know what I'm saying, to be saying that I played
this long in the NFL, I got to live my dream,
married the woman of my dreams, got three wonderful kids.
You know what I'm saying. That it doesn't it doesn't
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no one any good for me to look down on life,
you know what I'm saying. So when I come into
a room, if I'm not smiling, I'm probably just tired,
you know what I'm saying. Because I have been at volleyball,
football practice. I've been at golf practice with my youngest.
I've been working at the gym, you know what I'm saying,
all over the place doing things.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
So that's all it is.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
I want to stay right there.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
You know, we just found out just recently Rudy Johnson
unlive himself. You know a lot of people are going
to feel that impact. You know, such a sad, sad, sad,
sad thing to deal with. Man, you guys that that
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choose that over life, it's such a It's so tricky,
you know what I'm saying, because obviously we don't know
what he's gone through. We don't know what people go through,
and we always wait till these moments, you know, to
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to talk about it, right, to talk about the struggles,
to talk about you know, hey, NFL guy, you played
in the league for several years. You were successful, and
you still need help. You still need help transitioning, You
still need help adapting to family. You still need help
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balancing this this new life that is not necessarily ordinary
for you.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
I know you had a friend and a teammate, Paul Oliver,
who passed away. When that happened. Was that the first
time that you kind of like realized, Okay, this football thing,
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there's there's a mental aspect that needs to be thought about,
or was there previous moments there there?
Speaker 6 (17:56):
For me, there was never any thought about what my
brain is doing while I'm playing. You know, it wasn't
until so me and Paul. A little backstory. Me and Paul,
like we grew up. I an't gonna say we grew
up together, but we grew up playing against each other.
He's from Georgia, I'm from Georgia. We played against each
other in high school. He went to Uga, I went
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to Coastal. We didn't play against each other in college obviously,
but we kept in touch. And then when I went
to San Diego, he was drafted to San Diego. So
it was a natural bond and brotherhood that we already
had and that just got stronger the more we were together,
always together, you know, kind of like us when I'm here,
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you know what I'm saying. We were always together on
and off the field, and we would keep in touch.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
You know.
Speaker 6 (18:49):
While I was still playing, he was back and forth
between California and Georgia, where he was staying at and
I could just hear the pain when we would talk,
you know what I'm saying, Like me and you if
we talked and we event it's like we were on
the phone for an hour, were going at it. We've
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been trying to figure out, like what what's going on?
Man like, and he's just like, I'm good, bro, almost
like he was through with life, you.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (19:21):
So and I would try to talk to him, but
obviously it was it was it was in vain, not
in vain, but it was. It was tough for him
to let let let a light in to kind of
try to help him, I think. And when when I
got that that day at practice, I'll never forget like
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get him and came and tapped me. He was like, hey,
you need to go check your phone. I'm like, how
you know who call him?
Speaker 2 (19:50):
My phone? You know what I mean?
Speaker 6 (19:52):
Evidently my wife had called Stephanie Rivera and she couldn't
get a hold of me, so she called Chico. Chico
told Gettle, and Gettle came and told me, So I
checked my phone. I've got so many missed calls, text messages,
and man, that was that was one of the toughest
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days because he was like literally like one of my
best friends.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (20:22):
I mean it was tough, you know, but dealing with
depression and anxiety, like it is a real thing. Like
I've dealt with depression, you know what I'm saying. I
try to keep a light heart and everything, but I
have bad days. Like I said, what do you do?
What do you do on those bad days? I just
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grabbed my kids. Man's that's the to be honest with you,
when I'm When I was in a really like probably
like four or five years ago, really dark spot, I
was just tired. I was tired of trying to uphold
an image. You know what I'm saying. I just want
to be me and not have to worry about nothing,
you know what I mean. When I was in a
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really dark spot, I just grabbed my kids. Man, that's
the only thing that would bring me like a relief sigh,
you know what I mean, Because what would they do
without me? I'm saying, That's what I started to think about.
Then I started to get better and sought out treatment,
you know, things like that medication, you know, counseling, therapy
and all that good stuff which works. Wonders But now
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as we talk about Rudy Johnson and my boy Po,
you think about the effects that football has had, you know,
because I started playing when I was five, you know
what I mean, the effects that football has had on
our bodies, but our brains as well. And I recently
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started wearing contacts.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (21:53):
I don't know if that has anything to do with
my brain health and my eyesight or just because I'm
almost forty, you know what I mean. But it's those
types of things that like makes me think secondly about
what is what is really going on? Like sometimes like
I have a hard time focusing. You know what I'm saying,
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rainfall you know, remember one time it.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
Is something that shouldn't be happening to a high performer
of a thirty eight year old, thirty nine year old
you know what I'm.
Speaker 6 (22:26):
Saying, right, And I forget stuff a lot of the times,
you know what I'm saying, and I have to remind
myself said reminders, you know, to like, Hey, I just
picked up my phone. What did I pick it up for?
You know what I'm saying? And I'm like, is that
a sign?
Speaker 2 (22:42):
You know what I'm saying? So it's always.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
And it's there.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
It's scary.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
It's scary.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
Like there's been times where I've been driving boy and
I pull up to the stop, like I'm.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Like, am I almost home?
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Was I going?
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Where was I going? Like?
Speaker 4 (22:57):
Or and when those things happened is kind of like whoa,
Like maybe this happens for everyone, right, but and it.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Probably does in certain elements. But it's still knowing.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
That the weight of what we did could possibly be
the impact of why we're experiencing what we're experiencing. I
think that is kind of like the.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
The tricky part about it.
Speaker 6 (23:24):
Yeah, I mean, because you don't The thing is, you
don't know until that's the what's messed up is like
you won't know that these symptoms that we're experienced, whether
it's forgetfulness, you know, eyesight, stuff like that, you don't know.
You know, the mental issues, you don't know if that's
because of brain trauma or just whatever until after you're going,
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you know what I mean, Like they can't diagnose CT
until after you're going, which makes no sense to me.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
Yeah, I mean I went through a little fans of
social anxiety. I don't know if it was because of
COVID or what, but there'd been moments where like, we've
been going to a bunch of events, charity events, you know,
a lot of good causes. And then eventually I was like, hey, Nat,
we got to peel back on this. Yeah, because it's
taking a toll on me. Right, because a lot of
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what I am is actually a hermit. I'd rather just
be at the house or on the course. But uh,
but you do have to be aware of making certain
changes to better your life for yourself and for your
family and the people that love you. So I mean,
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for y'all that's listening when I tell you this man
right here to my right, Toad is a guy that
brought a lot of inspiration to me when he came
to Carolina. He was he was a guy that I
saw be the best husband and best father. I got
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to see him, you know, with his kids and me
being a single guy at that time, I always looked
up to him. I always probably used to ask you
questions about, Hey, what's this, Like what are you doing,
Like y'all, how do y'all work this out?
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Like I was.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
I was, I was prepping and asking questions because obviously,
I think one of the things that people desire the
most is love and to be loved right and to
and to cherish someone right. And so Tolbert was that
guy that I looked at for the first time. I'm like, wow,
I want that, and you know, to see how you've
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you know, gone through you know, post football, you know,
you had the trucking company, rock box businessman and balancing
all these things and still showing up for your family,
but most of all, showing up for yourself, because I
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think that gets so lost in today's society. For man,
but for for speaking about the NFL guys, the professional athletes.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
You know, we sometimes become.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
So prideful about what we're doing post career and how
we are doing post career that we just check out.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
And you checked in, yeah, like.
Speaker 6 (26:32):
Uh, It's It's funny because like when I was playing,
my wife will be like, well, you're working, so when
the all season comes, you like, my it's my off
season now. So I'm just like, man, if I'm working
during the season, then.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
It's your off season. I mean a season.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
I'm working full time, right, so I don't have a.
Speaker 6 (26:50):
Don't I don't have no time, you know what I'm saying.
But man, I appreciate this too. I mean, like I
didn't have a father growing up. Well I had one,
but like I've seen and probably I saw like three
times before I got was it the NFL. So I
wanted to make sure that my kids had something that
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I never had, especially my son. You know, I love
my daughters, you know, tremendously, But my son, I have
to raise him to be a man.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
I have to raise him to be a man like me.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (27:24):
So I never had a man tell me I love you,
you know what I'm saying. So I tell my son
I love him every day. My girls too, you know
what I'm saying. My wife, you know, she is the
backbone of our family, you know what I'm saying. She
is the one that curated all of this. You know
she she was the one that said let's go to Carolina,
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you know what I'm saying, because there was other options
on the table. There was other options on the table,
but she knew how much it meant to.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Me to get back south. You know, where could you
have gone?
Speaker 4 (27:58):
Arizona was one boo boo boo.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Oh double boo.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
That would have been bad for our defense. But it's
all good.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
Though love, I love my little Patty Mahans. That not
because you were also too one of the dying breeds.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
M h.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Fullbacks. You don't see him no more. Now the game
is evolving, ladies and gentlemen, and Tobert was. I mean,
if you actually think about it, you might be the
reason why it died because you were not just a fullback.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
You were a hybrid.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Yeah you were.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
You did it all you You were the better receiver
out of the group. We can argue with Fozzy later.
Ain't no argument now know what time it is. These
hands are certified, certified. But you led the way and
third down, if we needed somebody in there, Mustang, it
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was gonna be you. You don't pick up a dy Hey, Hey,
that's Pep over there.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Now get the ball out. Camp I got you, But
get the ball out?
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Did you see so?
Speaker 4 (29:27):
He If y'all didn't check in this past weekend, the
Browns is playing the Packers. Shame on the Packers, by
the way, But the Browns has a guy named Miles Garrett,
and he beat the drum off that left tackle and
all you hear in the background.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Is run Jordan.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
I've never I played football for for a long time.
I've never heard of offensive lineman yell to their quarterback run.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
But he didn't touch him though. That was such a sweet.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
So Greg showed, showed one of our kids that move,
showed one of our d ns that move, and I'm
thinking to myself, he ain't gonna be able to do that.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
That's my gut one one right there.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
All right, man, well, let's pivot to Panthers. Back to
Panther football Week four. We just beat the dog breaks
out off of Atlanta. When you played Atlanta, I always
realized in the locker room, you Thomas Davis, Charles Johnson,
guys who had a little bit of pepping. They step
y'all all from from Georgia. I got blood in Georgia too.
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I know, yeah, yeah, I'm basically you know, when one
of y'all, uh, but not really. You know, I was
drinking that Washington water, stomach hurt, yeah, that toilet.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Toilet.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
But no.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
But we we got the Patriots this weekend, coming off
of a thirty to zero win. Yeah, ladies and gentlemen,
we got them at the end zone. The last time
that happened thirty Well, to my knowledge and to everybody
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else's knowledge, as far as that big of a deficit,
it was thirty eight zero against the Atlanta Falcons in
twenty fifteen. I remember that game because that's the game
that I broke my foot. I had like seventy yards
a touchdown, and it was like the second quarter or
something like that, and I was like, man, I was
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about to get busy, and I ended I exited the
game and we ended up winning that game. But the
following game we had to play, we had to go
to New York, and I watched that game on TV.
Talk to us about what it takes to keep that
type of momentum going and what to expect from your opponent,
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knowing that they that they're playing someone that just came
off of a high. Right, You're thirty to zero is
a pretty good deal. In twenty fifteen, coming off of
that thirty eight zero win, to go to New York,
that was a battle up there.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Yeah, it was. You know, I think.
Speaker 6 (32:27):
Given all credit to the Panthers on this past game, right,
they like you said, they beat them like a Cherokee drop.
And that's what you want to see, especially your own
your home stadium. You what you got to take care
of the bank, right, but you have to take the
good and leave the bad.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
You know what I'm saying. Take the good.
Speaker 6 (32:47):
Take that the defense played out and the defense played
outstanding every level of the defense. Derick Brown, Aishan Robinson
did their thing. Trayvon and those guys did the think
that linebacker and JC did what they supposed to do.
Morg did what they supposed to do on that back end.
Lock everything up. But also take the good from the
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offensive line. Right we was tall that we was thinking
that this Atlanta Falcons defensive line was gonna be something special,
which they could be, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
They just had an off day.
Speaker 6 (33:20):
But we were missing Robert Hunt, you know what I'm saying,
missing our starting center, and we didn't miss a beat,
you know what I'm saying. So I think you take
those good things. You don't worry about what Atlanta did
bad because that's not typically what's gonna happen. You know,
you're not gonna throw pick sixes. You're not gonna throw
you know what I'm saying. If they had a bad game,
all right, throw the ball away on fourth down. You're
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not doing that like that's just mental mistakes. Also, take
the bad that we had because we had a very
very solid special teams unit, you know what I'm saying,
And we had a turnover on special teams, but the
defense stood tall, you know what I'm saying. So that's
one of those things where you build on the really good.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
You build on what got you thirty points. You know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (34:07):
Good defense, short field position, short field position, winning the
turnover battle. We haven't done that until this week, you
know what I mean. And then just playing situational football,
you know what I'm saying, stand ahead of the chains.
I think that we can count on New England to
be well coached with Mike Varabel. But I definitely think
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it's a game that we should win.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
Yeah, we should be able to get after that quarterback
because they offense line was giving us some sacks. So
if they're giving him sacks, we want a piece of that,
right Yeah. And also I'll say it don't even have
to be sacks, because that's what we just saw this
past weekend. We didn't even get a sack, but we
got hits pressures. Pressures right, get that quarterback to start
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seeing ghosts, get.
Speaker 6 (34:54):
Him off his spot, they can move his feet, throw
the ball in what we used to say when when
we play at Ryan TD and Luke would be like, hey,
he gonna give us.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Won't give us one at least one. He's gonna give
it up.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
He gonna give it up. We gotta go take it.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Yeah, yeah, he'll be giving it. He'd be giving it
out now.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
Hey, but no, that's what's up because going back to
like twenty fifteen, I think one of the cool things
about us is we were able to have so much
fun while we were winning, but keeping the main thing,
the main thing. And I think Chico in the beginning
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he was kind of worried about kind of like, you know, hey,
stay locked in, right because it was three and oh
four and oh five, and oh six and O seven
and no, you know, and you gotta keep the main thing,
the main thing, because whatever got you to those wins
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is what you have to carry over. So whatever your
preper rate is, you have to continue that same type
of preparation, the same type of flow, whatever you're doing
to your to get your body ready for the next game,
whatever you're doing to study film to make sure you're prepared.
Because I honestly think we were the most prepared team
this past week against the Falcons, because we were just
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in that they was falling in our lap.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Yep, you know, deep like the coverage.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
Obviously, it helps when you have four your four down
linemen are doing what they're supposed to do, and you
can just send a nickel, you can send you know,
certain things here and there to keep them honest. But
we were the most prepared team, and so you go
to the Patriots and you just got to make sure
you copy and paste.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Yep. I think that's the main thing.
Speaker 6 (36:46):
Like we're speaking of the twenty fifteen team, I think
that's the main thing that we did.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Like we said, we kept the.
Speaker 6 (36:51):
Main thing, the main thing, but we also started adding
to the main thing. Like we knew that Cam was
our focal point on offense, right, and we knew that
Luke and TD were the ones that's gonna drive the
bus on defense.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Right.
Speaker 6 (37:05):
We just had to play good, solid special teams and
play a complete game. But then the off season, not
the off season, but like off days like Big three Mondays.
You would see, okay, it's fifteen people here after one,
and oh, okay, it's fifteen people after two, and oh
it's twenty five after three and though it's thirty after
four and are before you know it, right before you
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know it. Victory mondays, we got a whole team in there,
and Luke's running a defensive meeting, Cam's running the offensive meeting,
and coaches nowhere to be seen because we started policing ourselves.
I think once we get to that point where Derek
Brown can run the defensive line meeting and say, hey, guys,
this is where we need to be at, this is
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what we need to do, continue to be better and
get better day in and day out.
Speaker 4 (37:52):
I think the roof that I was about to say,
the roof is the ceiling. The roof it is the ceiling.
The roof is the ceiling, but the sky is the living.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
If you know you did, you wouldn't say that time.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
Uh yeah, the roof is the roof is on fire.
But no, but no, man, I'm excited for this this weekend.
I will before we get out of here because me
and Tobert got a tea time to catch because you know,
golf is life. Golf that's a fresh one too. Boy,
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boy about the grip? How much where you get that at? Uh? Okay,
look all.
Speaker 6 (38:42):
Dollars, baby, I'm about I'm not getting in SAand today. Yeah,
please believe me.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
One of the things that I loved about tob is
we started going on the night before games, and especially
home games. We used to go to a running backs dinner.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
Yeah, It's one of the things that I looked forward
to the most was spending time with the group man
fellowship in cracking jokes, you know, whatever nerves you got
before a game, those things were gone because we were
with each other and we had our spots.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
Harper's is no longer there.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
It's a bank.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
It's a bank now. Bricktops was one of the other ones.
Speaker 4 (39:30):
But if we had to choose now, if we was going,
if we had if we had a home game this
week and we wanted to go get something to.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
Eat, where would you go? Where would you take us?
Speaker 4 (39:44):
Because I honestly because when you got here, that's when
that thing started. We started going to eat when Mike
Tober got to Carolina for obvious reasons, because that boy
was always.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
First off.
Speaker 4 (39:58):
Harper's was a local decision because we stayed right now,
you know what I'm saying, right down the road. I
like Baku.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Oh it's a little a little price.
Speaker 5 (40:11):
We elevate we're grown now, you know you don't they
got that that Krispy Rice.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Okay, kok but you yeah, I like that.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
But we would have to find somewhere how I feel
about that night before a game though.
Speaker 6 (40:30):
We had to find somewhere that got pizza and Shakespeare.
Speaker 4 (40:34):
Shout they eat like a kid and chicken nuggas, chicken
tenders and the French fries.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
Hey, you got a kids cup, got kiddy cup.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
Let me get that pizza.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
Baby.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Hey.
Speaker 4 (40:44):
We used to have the little we used to have
the crossword puzzles and all that, and so we would
do it like uh, we do the contest. It was
like whoever lost, whoever lost the crossword puzzle have to
pay search.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
That's what it was.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
And Cameron Artist Pain would always lose. It got to
the point where we was like, look, man, don't even
worry about it.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
Just do it, man, We'll pay it. Come on man.
Speaker 4 (41:14):
Ah Man, Well, thank you Bro for stopping by stewing
the crew. This was awesome just to hang out with you.
And I'm excited to go play golf.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
Let's get it.
Speaker 5 (41:23):
Man.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (41:24):
Man. I'm gonna beat you in golf too, Yes you are. Yeah,
because I golf all the time. Yeah, it's my part
time job now, but I'm gonna get you on at
least two at least stay tuned for the updates because
it could you know, you never know what golf.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
I actually don't have my driver because I broke my driver, so.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
I mean, but he hit his three wold like three,
don't let him.
Speaker 4 (41:45):
I might have to eat my words here, ladies and gentlemen,
But thanks for tuning in. We'll see you, see you
next time. I'm a dog, all right,
We're the thirteenth pick in the two thousand and eight
NFL draft.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Caroline's hand their select Jonathan Stewart gives to Stewart. He
leaves touched up.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Stewart oh rough tough right, angry man out at elbows, knees.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Stewart hesitates, accelerates.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
That's what I'm talking about. Fit the spash ball.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Football contain Stuart cat running around. Stewart jump over a
tackler at the tenth flows jump Laur's his shoulder, keeps running.
No one will touch him. Jonathan Stewart house does it?
You talk about explosive plays in the run game. It's
like the fourth of July around here right now.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
You are listening to Stu and the Crew.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
Welcome back to Stu and the Crew, Week four. Got
my guy here, Mike Tolbert. Some of y'all know him
as Told Dozer, some of y'all know him as number
thirty five. Some of y'all might know him as the
Dance and Teddy Bear. I am the Crew today, everybody.
He is the Crew today. Two times first Team All Pro,
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All Pro ladies and gentlemen, not pro bo. All Pro
mean the best in the world. Okay, two times. You
know a guy that got it out of the mud,
in my opinion, undrafted, and and here he is, Carolina Panther,
great charger Great. I mean, he's done things that I
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feel a lot of people might have not really given
you the shot of doing right. You know, I want
to talk about you know, your your your upcoming. I
want to talk about how you got here. We're going
to talk about the Panthers today and we're gonna shed
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some light on something that's very sensitive to the NFL
world right now with Rudy Johnson. But but first of all, Man,
I'm glad to have you on the show.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Man.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
Been a long time. It's been a long time coming up,
been a long time, long time coming little Yeah, Man,
I appreciate it. Man, that was a hell of bit intro. Yeah,
I appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (02:09):
Man.
Speaker 6 (02:09):
I like you said, I got it out the mud. Man,
I'm happy about it. I obviously got some more growing
and do things to do, but I'm excited about the future.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
So you came in as an undrafted free agent. How
did you carry yourself differently? Uh? As far as being undrafted,
did you have an intention behind you know, you're the
focus of letting guys on the team know who you were.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
You know, obviously when you step on the field, you're
gonna try to do what you gotta do. But as
far as like your personality, did you where you where
you just yourself all the time?
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Did you bring it up a notch?
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Like?
Speaker 1 (02:51):
What was that like as an undrafted.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Guy coming in undrafted?
Speaker 6 (02:56):
Like the first person I met was Antonio Gates, and
I'm like, this guy is two or three times All
Pro Pro bowler, and I'm like, oh my god. But
then I saw Sean Merriman walking as I walking into
Georgia facility, I'm just like, man, I gotta hit him.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Right, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (03:16):
But I've always lived by you know, the cream gonna
rise to the top. I've always ever since Thomas Cobb,
He's his nickname is Squirk, ever since he said that
when I was like seven years old. Yeah, cream gonna
rise to the top. You gotta be ready to go
when it's time to go. So I've always lived by that.
So it didn't matter who I was playing against, who
I was going against.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Who always.
Speaker 6 (03:39):
Getting ready to hit in a drill, I'm just gonna
go do me and if he's better than me, it's
gonna show better than him, it's gonna show. So I
never I never tried to up myself in front of people.
I always just be me, you know what I'm saying,
Like you know me, I'm lighthearted, I have.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
A good time. I like to laugh. I like to
make people laugh. I like to dance. I like to
play music.
Speaker 6 (03:59):
And that was the case day one when I walked
into charge facility and they whatever, it is your team
when I left the Buffalo Bills. You know what I'm saying,
I'm gonna be me regardless. If you don't like it,
that's on you.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
I like me.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Where does that come from?
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Like your personality and your lightheardness, your lightheart and just
affection for people.
Speaker 6 (04:23):
I think it's just my love for life in general,
you know what I'm saying. Like my mom growing up,
my mom was you know, she's one of five you
know what I mean, five girls, three or four boys.
Like it's a lot of them. My granddaddy was doing
this thing, you know.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
What I'm saying, the sea.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (04:39):
But like my mom worked two and three jobs. My
sister is four years older than me, so I spent
a lot of time alone, so I had to entertain myself,
so I would crack jokes on myself.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
What kind of jokes was you clowning yourself about?
Speaker 6 (04:56):
Like it's just little stuff, you know what I'm saying,
Like if you do something you trick, I'm gonna say
something like if I trip up the steps, a stupid joker, right,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
But it don't make no sense. You just feel up,
you fall up. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (05:11):
Stuff like that, and I just I carry that on
to when I meet new people, you know, and it's
kind of infectious.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
You know, it is infectious because I remember the first
day you got to Carolina, like your presence next to
me as a locker mate, it was.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
It was life.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
It was life changing for me because I'm not gonna lie.
You already know I come into work hurt, feeling bad
for myself, whatever it is. There's told hey man, it's
gonna be all right, good vibe es yative. Yeah, but
so I obviously appreciate that. We'll get to that. But
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I wanted to talk about your name. Told those where
did you get it? So that people know.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
And how do you? How did you feel about it?
Speaker 6 (06:06):
So it came from a buddy of mine that I
went to college with. He's real good friends with the
guy that owns seven o four shop or something like.
He's real good friends with him, and they wanted to
do something for me since I came in twenty twelve,
they wanted to do something, so creating me his shirt
and the shirt was me riding a told like riding
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a bulldog title, and it was something that he was like.
When I met the guy, he was just like, yeah, man,
told those Its just I was.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Letting where that comes from. I like that, you know
what I'm saying. And I loved it.
Speaker 6 (06:43):
You know what I'm saying because I've i mean obviously
playing with Cam, you get so many niggas and you
might not like it. You know, Cam called me patty man,
and I was like, what what that means?
Speaker 2 (06:57):
You know what I'm saying, tubble goog. I'm just like
that ain't flattering.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Yeah, he would call me thick and I've been like,
hey man, pause.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (07:07):
So like, so when told those came around, I was like, yeah,
that's that's gonna stick.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
We also know you as short Round.
Speaker 6 (07:16):
Yeah, that's that's Chico. That's Chico as coach Rivera. He
called me short Round after some TV shows they used
to be.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Back in the day, back in the sixties. Yeah, you
know black and white TV old.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
Talk about your relationship with Chico actually, you know being uh,
you know a guy that came from the Chargers, being
on a Chargers team with a lot of great players,
talking about you played with two three Hall two Hall
of Famers.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Two now probably two more than works.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Yeah, and that's Ladani and Thomas and Antonio Gates. Well,
Philip Rivers that was on the way, Darren Spros was
around you, all right.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
I learned how to play the game the right way. Though.
Speaker 6 (08:03):
You know, Chico is like he's real invaluable to my
career because he kind of taught me.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
You know.
Speaker 6 (08:10):
When I first came here, we sat down, we went
to Sullivan's steakhouse. It was just me, him, his wife,
and Stephanie, my wife. And you remember Settle.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
That's a big joker right now.
Speaker 6 (08:25):
So we sat down and he just laid out the
vision of what he had for me. It wasn't to
be all pro. It wasn't to be Pro Bowl or
team captain, none of that. It was just to bring
the culture that he needed, you know what I'm saying.
And all that other stuff just happened because the way
that I knew that he wanted things, you know, I
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just was being me. But then you know I brought
music to the locker room. Yeah, you know what I'm saying,
Like bringing the music to the locker room, bringing the
booger sugar, you know what I'm saying, Like stuff that
I didn't say that we didn't san.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Diego there, get here, Like it's kind of quiet on
game day? Man, what's going on?
Speaker 2 (09:05):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 6 (09:06):
So that type of thing. You know, he helped bring
my my character out as well. But I mean I
love that got to death.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
That's what he did.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
He did a good job of you know, understand he
had a good awareness of guys in their personalities, and
he allowed that to be so vibrant. Uh because to
your point, before you got there, it was it was
it was quiet in certain settings, right, Like nobody challenged
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the quiet like after a loss, after a bad practice, right,
I remember, I remember after bad games, bad practices, it
was like y'all better. I better come in here and
be quiet and that like y'all mad that y'all that
we just laugh that we just lost.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
You know what I'm saying, Like play the part right.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
It's like you better not be on the bus after
I lost, cracking jokes, right, that type of vibe, and
there's a time in the place where you absolutely tap
into that so that way you can reflect.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Right.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
But I remember, man, I'm trying to think only I
can't recall the actual game, but I remember a game.
It might have been in practice, and it just felt
like it was a game. Now we came in and
I heard gospel music. I'm like, huh okay, yeah, that
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makes the next things feel better, right, sets the tone right.
It's almost like if you get in trouble at home
and like you know, you, oh you get home late,
go to your room, open the Bible up, your mama,
come in there, Mama coming in there, like, oh, you
reading the Bible. Huh okay, yeah, you better read the
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Bible because you're late.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
You know I did.
Speaker 6 (10:57):
I did the thing with JJ riding in the car
thing and he said that I had a knack for
knowing the situation. You know what I'm saying where to
put knowing the situation on what music to play, when
to play it, because I remember that too. That was
after a game here we had lost here.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
I can't remember what game it was. It was a
preseason Miami tore us apart. But I fumbled in it,
you know what I'm saying. He tore us apart.
Speaker 6 (11:24):
And I'm just sitting there, like, bro, it's week two
of the preseason, Like what are we doing? You know
what I'm saying, Why are we so like mundane right now?
So I put the gospel music on and I looked
down towards the training room and RV is looking, and
then she could come around the corner and look and
he just starts smiling.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Put his head down because he already knew who it was.
And then they just kind of likened the entire mood
of the locker room. Man.
Speaker 6 (11:51):
You know, it's it's fun, man, But at the end
of the day, this is a child's game that we played,
and taking the streatment serious, you gotta enjoy enjoy it
because you may get two games, you may get two years,
you may get ten.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
You don't know, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
So you got to enjoy it, right, What was your
mindset like while you were in college, you know at
Coastal Savage just a savage off the field, that field
savage I was.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
I was enjoying college life. Man. I love playing.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
Ball at Coastal because that's what That's what one of
the things when I first met you, like when you
talk about like, I love you love like if I
had to put it in the phrase told love's life. Yes,
and if you are a part of his life, you
would be loved like and and I feel honored to
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have like have had you as a teammate, but more
so as a brother. You know what I'm saying, because
like that that is. But but my question is, bro, like,
do you wear that as like something that's heavy when
you come into a room knowing that you have to
be this positive light all the time or is it
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something that you that you know, have struggles with sometimes
because because as I know, like consistency as a father,
as a husband, as a friend, provider, son, and you
are always consistent.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
It is it is tough.
Speaker 6 (13:30):
But at the same time, I'm a product of who
my mama made. You know what I'm saying, My mama
has always figured it out, you know what I'm saying.
So we like to say in our family, Hey, I
gotta figure it out. Bonus right there next to mine.
So my rebcage, Well, it's something happened, whatever it is,
got to figure it out, you know what I'm saying.
So it's gonna come up tomorrow for somebody, but we
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gotta figure it out.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
You know.
Speaker 6 (13:52):
I have a very optimistic look on life, you know,
where I see the positive of what can come from everything,
every situation. You know, like when my grandma passed away
when I was in San Diego. You know, team flew
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me to Atlanta from San Diego, you know, and I'm devastated,
Like my grandma was the light of my.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Life, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (14:22):
And north turn the flight, I told me, you don't
have to play. I know how close you all are,
you don't have to play. And I was like, I
can't stay here, you know what I'm saying, Like I
can't be by myself.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Let me be around my brother.
Speaker 6 (14:33):
So Darren Spros came with me to the funeral and
then we went from Atlanta to Cleveland. I had the
longest play in my career that day, you know, what
I'm saying, So like it's one of those things where
like life is so intertwined that like.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
You can't be too up and too down.
Speaker 6 (14:52):
Now I've had my time, especially since I retire, that
I've fallen into like a funk, like a deeper depression
type state, and it took some work to get out
of it. But at the same time, I had people
like yourself, you know, that I could call on and
just vent to and just talk, you know what I'm saying.
And Cody Sensible is another one. You know what I'm saying,
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God that I lean leaned on heavy during that dark time,
you know, and my wife and my family as well.
But I'm so lucky to be in this position, you
know what I'm saying, to be saying that I played
this long in the NFL, I got to live my dream,
married the woman of my dreams, got three wonderful kids.
You know what I'm saying. That it doesn't it doesn't
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no one any good for me to look down on life,
you know what I'm saying. So when I come into
a room, if I'm not smiling, I'm probably just tired,
you know what I'm saying. Because I have been at volleyball,
football practice. I've been at golf practice with my youngest.
I've been working at the gym, you know what I'm saying,
all over the place doing things.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
So that's all it is.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
I want to stay right there.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
You know, we just found out just recently Rudy Johnson
unlive himself. You know a lot of people are going
to feel that impact. You know, such a sad, sad, sad,
sad thing to deal with. Man, you guys that that
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choose that over life, it's such a It's so tricky,
you know what I'm saying, because obviously we don't know
what he's gone through. We don't know what people go through,
and we always wait till these moments, you know, to
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to talk about it, right, to talk about the struggles,
to talk about you know, hey, NFL guy, you played
in the league for several years. You were successful, and
you still need help. You still need help transitioning, You
still need help adapting to family. You still need help
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balancing this this new life that is not necessarily ordinary
for you.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
I know you had a friend and a teammate, Paul Oliver,
who passed away. When that happened. Was that the first
time that you kind of like realized, Okay, this football thing,
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there's there's a mental aspect that needs to be thought about,
or was there previous moments there there?
Speaker 6 (17:56):
For me, there was never any thought about what my
brain is doing while I'm playing. You know, it wasn't
until so me and Paul. A little backstory. Me and Paul,
like we grew up. I an't gonna say we grew
up together, but we grew up playing against each other.
He's from Georgia, I'm from Georgia. We played against each
other in high school. He went to Uga, I went
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to Coastal. We didn't play against each other in college obviously,
but we kept in touch. And then when I went
to San Diego, he was drafted to San Diego. So
it was a natural bond and brotherhood that we already
had and that just got stronger the more we were together,
always together, you know, kind of like us when I'm here,
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you know what I'm saying. We were always together on
and off the field, and we would keep in touch.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
You know.
Speaker 6 (18:49):
While I was still playing, he was back and forth
between California and Georgia, where he was staying at and
I could just hear the pain when we would talk,
you know what I'm saying, Like me and you if
we talked and we event it's like we were on
the phone for an hour, were going at it. We've
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been trying to figure out, like what what's going on?
Man like, and he's just like, I'm good, bro, almost
like he was through with life, you.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (19:21):
So and I would try to talk to him, but
obviously it was it was it was in vain, not
in vain, but it was. It was tough for him
to let let let a light in to kind of
try to help him, I think. And when when I
got that that day at practice, I'll never forget like
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get him and came and tapped me. He was like, hey,
you need to go check your phone. I'm like, how
you know who call him?
Speaker 2 (19:50):
My phone? You know what I mean?
Speaker 6 (19:52):
Evidently my wife had called Stephanie Rivera and she couldn't
get a hold of me, so she called Chico. Chico
told Gettle, and Gettle came and told me, So I
checked my phone. I've got so many missed calls, text messages,
and man, that was that was one of the toughest
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days because he was like literally like one of my
best friends.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (20:22):
I mean it was tough, you know, but dealing with
depression and anxiety, like it is a real thing. Like
I've dealt with depression, you know what I'm saying. I
try to keep a light heart and everything, but I
have bad days. Like I said, what do you do?
What do you do on those bad days? I just
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grabbed my kids. Man's that's the to be honest with you,
when I'm When I was in a really like probably
like four or five years ago, really dark spot, I
was just tired. I was tired of trying to uphold
an image. You know what I'm saying. I just want
to be me and not have to worry about nothing,
you know what I mean. When I was in a
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really dark spot, I just grabbed my kids. Man, that's
the only thing that would bring me like a relief sigh,
you know what I mean, Because what would they do
without me? I'm saying, That's what I started to think about.
Then I started to get better and sought out treatment,
you know, things like that medication, you know, counseling, therapy
and all that good stuff which works. Wonders But now
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as we talk about Rudy Johnson and my boy Po,
you think about the effects that football has had, you know,
because I started playing when I was five, you know
what I mean, the effects that football has had on
our bodies, but our brains as well. And I recently
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started wearing contacts.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (21:53):
I don't know if that has anything to do with
my brain health and my eyesight or just because I'm
almost forty, you know what I mean. But it's those
types of things that like makes me think secondly about
what is what is really going on? Like sometimes like
I have a hard time focusing. You know what I'm saying,
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rainfall you know, remember one time it.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
Is something that shouldn't be happening to a high performer
of a thirty eight year old, thirty nine year old
you know what I'm.
Speaker 6 (22:26):
Saying, right, And I forget stuff a lot of the times,
you know what I'm saying, and I have to remind
myself said reminders, you know, to like, Hey, I just
picked up my phone. What did I pick it up for?
You know what I'm saying? And I'm like, is that
a sign?
Speaker 2 (22:42):
You know what I'm saying? So it's always.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
And it's there.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
It's scary.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
It's scary.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
Like there's been times where I've been driving boy and
I pull up to the stop, like I'm.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Like, am I almost home?
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Was I going?
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Where was I going? Like?
Speaker 4 (22:57):
Or and when those things happened is kind of like whoa,
Like maybe this happens for everyone, right, but and it.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Probably does in certain elements. But it's still knowing.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
That the weight of what we did could possibly be
the impact of why we're experiencing what we're experiencing. I
think that is kind of like the.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
The tricky part about it.
Speaker 6 (23:24):
Yeah, I mean, because you don't The thing is, you
don't know until that's the what's messed up is like
you won't know that these symptoms that we're experienced, whether
it's forgetfulness, you know, eyesight, stuff like that, you don't know.
You know, the mental issues, you don't know if that's
because of brain trauma or just whatever until after you're going,
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you know what I mean, Like they can't diagnose CT
until after you're going, which makes no sense to me.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
Yeah, I mean I went through a little fans of
social anxiety. I don't know if it was because of
COVID or what, but there'd been moments where like, we've
been going to a bunch of events, charity events, you know,
a lot of good causes. And then eventually I was like, hey, Nat,
we got to peel back on this. Yeah, because it's
taking a toll on me. Right, because a lot of
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what I am is actually a hermit. I'd rather just
be at the house or on the course. But uh,
but you do have to be aware of making certain
changes to better your life for yourself and for your
family and the people that love you. So I mean,
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for y'all that's listening when I tell you this man
right here to my right, Toad is a guy that
brought a lot of inspiration to me when he came
to Carolina. He was he was a guy that I
saw be the best husband and best father. I got
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to see him, you know, with his kids and me
being a single guy at that time, I always looked
up to him. I always probably used to ask you
questions about, Hey, what's this, Like what are you doing,
Like y'all, how do y'all work this out?
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Like I was.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
I was, I was prepping and asking questions because obviously,
I think one of the things that people desire the
most is love and to be loved right and to
and to cherish someone right. And so Tolbert was that
guy that I looked at for the first time. I'm like, wow,
I want that, and you know, to see how you've
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you know, gone through you know, post football, you know,
you had the trucking company, rock box businessman and balancing
all these things and still showing up for your family,
but most of all, showing up for yourself, because I
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think that gets so lost in today's society. For man,
but for for speaking about the NFL guys, the professional athletes.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
You know, we sometimes become.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
So prideful about what we're doing post career and how
we are doing post career that we just check out.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
And you checked in, yeah, like.
Speaker 6 (26:32):
Uh, It's It's funny because like when I was playing,
my wife will be like, well, you're working, so when
the all season comes, you like, my it's my off
season now. So I'm just like, man, if I'm working
during the season, then.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
It's your off season. I mean a season.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
I'm working full time, right, so I don't have a.
Speaker 6 (26:50):
Don't I don't have no time, you know what I'm saying.
But man, I appreciate this too. I mean, like I
didn't have a father growing up. Well I had one,
but like I've seen and probably I saw like three
times before I got was it the NFL. So I
wanted to make sure that my kids had something that
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I never had, especially my son. You know, I love
my daughters, you know, tremendously, But my son, I have
to raise him to be a man.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
I have to raise him to be a man like me.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (27:24):
So I never had a man tell me I love you,
you know what I'm saying. So I tell my son
I love him every day. My girls too, you know
what I'm saying. My wife, you know, she is the
backbone of our family, you know what I'm saying. She
is the one that curated all of this. You know
she she was the one that said let's go to Carolina,
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you know what I'm saying, because there was other options
on the table. There was other options on the table,
but she knew how much it meant to.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Me to get back south. You know, where could you
have gone?
Speaker 4 (27:58):
Arizona was one boo boo boo.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Oh double boo.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
That would have been bad for our defense. But it's
all good.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
Though love, I love my little Patty Mahans. That not
because you were also too one of the dying breeds.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
M h.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Fullbacks. You don't see him no more. Now the game
is evolving, ladies and gentlemen, and Tobert was. I mean,
if you actually think about it, you might be the
reason why it died because you were not just a fullback.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
You were a hybrid.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Yeah you were.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
You did it all you You were the better receiver
out of the group. We can argue with Fozzy later.
Ain't no argument now know what time it is. These
hands are certified, certified. But you led the way and
third down, if we needed somebody in there, Mustang, it
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was gonna be you. You don't pick up a dy Hey, Hey,
that's Pep over there.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Now get the ball out. Camp I got you, But
get the ball out?
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Did you see so?
Speaker 4 (29:27):
He If y'all didn't check in this past weekend, the
Browns is playing the Packers. Shame on the Packers, by
the way, But the Browns has a guy named Miles Garrett,
and he beat the drum off that left tackle and
all you hear in the background.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Is run Jordan.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
I've never I played football for for a long time.
I've never heard of offensive lineman yell to their quarterback run.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
But he didn't touch him though. That was such a sweet.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
So Greg showed, showed one of our kids that move,
showed one of our d ns that move, and I'm
thinking to myself, he ain't gonna be able to do that.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
That's my gut one one right there.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
All right, man, well, let's pivot to Panthers. Back to
Panther football Week four. We just beat the dog breaks
out off of Atlanta. When you played Atlanta, I always
realized in the locker room, you Thomas Davis, Charles Johnson,
guys who had a little bit of pepping. They step
y'all all from from Georgia. I got blood in Georgia too.
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I know, yeah, yeah, I'm basically you know, when one
of y'all, uh, but not really. You know, I was
drinking that Washington water, stomach hurt, yeah, that toilet.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Toilet.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
But no.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
But we we got the Patriots this weekend, coming off
of a thirty to zero win. Yeah, ladies and gentlemen,
we got them at the end zone. The last time
that happened thirty Well, to my knowledge and to everybody
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else's knowledge, as far as that big of a deficit,
it was thirty eight zero against the Atlanta Falcons in
twenty fifteen. I remember that game because that's the game
that I broke my foot. I had like seventy yards
a touchdown, and it was like the second quarter or
something like that, and I was like, man, I was
(31:46):
about to get busy, and I ended I exited the
game and we ended up winning that game. But the
following game we had to play, we had to go
to New York, and I watched that game on TV.
Talk to us about what it takes to keep that
type of momentum going and what to expect from your opponent,
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knowing that they that they're playing someone that just came
off of a high. Right, You're thirty to zero is
a pretty good deal. In twenty fifteen, coming off of
that thirty eight zero win, to go to New York,
that was a battle up there.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Yeah, it was. You know, I think.
Speaker 6 (32:27):
Given all credit to the Panthers on this past game, right,
they like you said, they beat them like a Cherokee drop.
And that's what you want to see, especially your own
your home stadium. You what you got to take care
of the bank, right, but you have to take the
good and leave the bad.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
You know what I'm saying. Take the good.
Speaker 6 (32:47):
Take that the defense played out and the defense played
outstanding every level of the defense. Derick Brown, Aishan Robinson
did their thing. Trayvon and those guys did the think
that linebacker and JC did what they supposed to do.
Morg did what they supposed to do on that back end.
Lock everything up. But also take the good from the
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offensive line. Right we was tall that we was thinking
that this Atlanta Falcons defensive line was gonna be something special,
which they could be, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
They just had an off day.
Speaker 6 (33:20):
But we were missing Robert Hunt, you know what I'm saying,
missing our starting center, and we didn't miss a beat,
you know what I'm saying. So I think you take
those good things. You don't worry about what Atlanta did
bad because that's not typically what's gonna happen. You know,
you're not gonna throw pick sixes. You're not gonna throw
you know what I'm saying. If they had a bad game,
all right, throw the ball away on fourth down. You're
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not doing that like that's just mental mistakes. Also, take
the bad that we had because we had a very
very solid special teams unit, you know what I'm saying,
And we had a turnover on special teams, but the
defense stood tall, you know what I'm saying. So that's
one of those things where you build on the really good.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
You build on what got you thirty points. You know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (34:07):
Good defense, short field position, short field position, winning the
turnover battle. We haven't done that until this week, you
know what I mean. And then just playing situational football,
you know what I'm saying, stand ahead of the chains.
I think that we can count on New England to
be well coached with Mike Varabel. But I definitely think
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it's a game that we should win.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
Yeah, we should be able to get after that quarterback
because they offense line was giving us some sacks. So
if they're giving him sacks, we want a piece of that,
right Yeah. And also I'll say it don't even have
to be sacks, because that's what we just saw this
past weekend. We didn't even get a sack, but we
got hits pressures. Pressures right, get that quarterback to start
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seeing ghosts, get.
Speaker 6 (34:54):
Him off his spot, they can move his feet, throw
the ball in what we used to say when when
we play at Ryan TD and Luke would be like, hey,
he gonna give us.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Won't give us one at least one. He's gonna give
it up.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
He gonna give it up. We gotta go take it.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Yeah, yeah, he'll be giving it. He'd be giving it
out now.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
Hey, but no, that's what's up because going back to
like twenty fifteen, I think one of the cool things
about us is we were able to have so much
fun while we were winning, but keeping the main thing,
the main thing. And I think Chico in the beginning
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he was kind of worried about kind of like, you know, hey,
stay locked in, right because it was three and oh
four and oh five, and oh six and O seven
and no, you know, and you gotta keep the main thing,
the main thing, because whatever got you to those wins
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is what you have to carry over. So whatever your
preper rate is, you have to continue that same type
of preparation, the same type of flow, whatever you're doing
to your to get your body ready for the next game,
whatever you're doing to study film to make sure you're prepared.
Because I honestly think we were the most prepared team
this past week against the Falcons, because we were just
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in that they was falling in our lap.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Yep, you know, deep like the coverage.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
Obviously, it helps when you have four your four down
linemen are doing what they're supposed to do, and you
can just send a nickel, you can send you know,
certain things here and there to keep them honest. But
we were the most prepared team, and so you go
to the Patriots and you just got to make sure
you copy and paste.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Yep. I think that's the main thing.
Speaker 6 (36:46):
Like we're speaking of the twenty fifteen team, I think
that's the main thing that we did.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Like we said, we kept the.
Speaker 6 (36:51):
Main thing, the main thing, but we also started adding
to the main thing. Like we knew that Cam was
our focal point on offense, right, and we knew that
Luke and TD were the ones that's gonna drive the
bus on defense.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Right.
Speaker 6 (37:05):
We just had to play good, solid special teams and
play a complete game. But then the off season, not
the off season, but like off days like Big three Mondays.
You would see, okay, it's fifteen people here after one,
and oh, okay, it's fifteen people after two, and oh
it's twenty five after three and though it's thirty after
four and are before you know it, right before you
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know it. Victory mondays, we got a whole team in there,
and Luke's running a defensive meeting, Cam's running the offensive meeting,
and coaches nowhere to be seen because we started policing ourselves.
I think once we get to that point where Derek
Brown can run the defensive line meeting and say, hey, guys,
this is where we need to be at, this is
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what we need to do, continue to be better and
get better day in and day out.
Speaker 4 (37:52):
I think the roof that I was about to say,
the roof is the ceiling. The roof it is the ceiling.
The roof is the ceiling, but the sky is the living.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
If you know you did, you wouldn't say that time.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
Uh yeah, the roof is the roof is on fire.
But no, but no, man, I'm excited for this this weekend.
I will before we get out of here because me
and Tobert got a tea time to catch because you know,
golf is life. Golf that's a fresh one too. Boy,
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boy about the grip? How much where you get that at? Uh? Okay,
look all.
Speaker 6 (38:42):
Dollars, baby, I'm about I'm not getting in SAand today. Yeah,
please believe me.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
One of the things that I loved about tob is
we started going on the night before games, and especially
home games. We used to go to a running backs dinner.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
Yeah, It's one of the things that I looked forward
to the most was spending time with the group man
fellowship in cracking jokes, you know, whatever nerves you got
before a game, those things were gone because we were
with each other and we had our spots.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
Harper's is no longer there.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
It's a bank.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
It's a bank now. Bricktops was one of the other ones.
Speaker 4 (39:30):
But if we had to choose now, if we was going,
if we had if we had a home game this
week and we wanted to go get something to.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
Eat, where would you go? Where would you take us?
Speaker 4 (39:44):
Because I honestly because when you got here, that's when
that thing started. We started going to eat when Mike
Tober got to Carolina for obvious reasons, because that boy
was always.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
First off.
Speaker 4 (39:58):
Harper's was a local decision because we stayed right now,
you know what I'm saying, right down the road. I
like Baku.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Oh it's a little a little price.
Speaker 5 (40:11):
We elevate we're grown now, you know you don't they
got that that Krispy Rice.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Okay, kok but you yeah, I like that.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
But we would have to find somewhere how I feel
about that night before a game though.
Speaker 6 (40:30):
We had to find somewhere that got pizza and Shakespeare.
Speaker 4 (40:34):
Shout they eat like a kid and chicken nuggas, chicken
tenders and the French fries.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
Hey, you got a kids cup, got kiddy cup.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
Let me get that pizza.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
Baby.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Hey.
Speaker 4 (40:44):
We used to have the little we used to have
the crossword puzzles and all that, and so we would
do it like uh, we do the contest. It was
like whoever lost, whoever lost the crossword puzzle have to
pay search.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
That's what it was.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
And Cameron Artist Pain would always lose. It got to
the point where we was like, look, man, don't even
worry about it.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
Just do it, man, We'll pay it. Come on man.
Speaker 4 (41:14):
Ah Man, Well, thank you Bro for stopping by stewing
the crew. This was awesome just to hang out with you.
And I'm excited to go play golf.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
Let's get it.
Speaker 5 (41:23):
Man.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (41:24):
Man. I'm gonna beat you in golf too, Yes you are. Yeah,
because I golf all the time. Yeah, it's my part
time job now, but I'm gonna get you on at
least two at least stay tuned for the updates because
it could you know, you never know what golf.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
I actually don't have my driver because I broke my driver, so.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
I mean, but he hit his three wold like three,
don't let him.
Speaker 4 (41:45):
I might have to eat my words here, ladies and gentlemen,
But thanks for tuning in. We'll see you, see you
next time. I'm a dog, all right,
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