April 23, 2025 • 48 mins
A Hall of Famer with intimate knowledge about the Texans joined the show, in studio, to share his thoughts on the start of Offseason Conditioning, the 2025 outlook and a whole lot more.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's happened? Everybody. Welcome to Draft Eve. Yes, the draft
tomorrow night. Thankfully. Oh my god, let's get this thing going.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
I am tired of hearing about the Texas trading up,
trading out, or sticking and picking, like those are the
three options and well they could do this, they could
do that, or they could well, yeah, they could do
any of those three things. So anyways, we'll take you
through a show tonight that is going to be awesome.
I'm your host, Jean Harris, football analyst, sideline reporter for
your Houston Texans. Drew Dordy will stop by the next
(00:31):
segment as we do our in the Lab final mock draft.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
It was awesome. We came out of there.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
We felt really really good about what we did, and
if the draft fell that exact way, we'd feel great
about that. But we are going to kick off this
show this evening with one of our favorites.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
You got in the building at twenty twenty one, and I.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Could talk to this guy and about anything, it doesn't matter, music, haircuts, football, basketball,
sports business. Frank Ross special teams coordinator seemingly knows it all.
We loved having There was a big announcement this week
about uh or actually I think it was the end
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of last week for Frank Ross.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
He'll get into it.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
We'll get into it right here as we catch up
with the special teams coordinator.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
D Sure my man, the boss, Frank.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Ross, Special teams coordinator Frank Ross with us in studio.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Coach, great to see him. Good see you guys.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
All right, off season visit. We have a lot to
get to. Okay, Hall of Fame. We got to get
to that, all right. In fact, let's get to it first.
John Carroll Sports Hall of Fame. Congratulations the surprise video
we made all of that.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
What was your reaction to getting in? Thanks?
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Oh, I'm super honored and excited. That was a very
cool moment. Surprise for sure. You know, I've I've closed
my yearbook, so and proudly I'm about the twenty twenty
five Texans. Here comes coach Frank about the twenty twenty
five Texas. But when it gets open and pride open again,
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incredible honor and really because like that's not a goal
of mine, right, that wasn't ever a goal of mine.
It's always cool, like I want to win games. Yeah,
you know, we weren't the greatest team in generation of
John Carroll Sports football when I was there, but had
a lot of fun playing hard and it was cool
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to I guess to say, to be recognized in retrospect
by peers or whoever else up there, and man, I
love my school.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
I'm proud. So it was great honor. Will there be
a ceremony?
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Will you get to be able to be with, you know,
some of your former teammates on what's kind of that aspect?
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Coach? Yeah, well half of our building. Yeah, John Carroll,
you know, apparently celebrate Houston. They're all over the NFL, right,
all of us.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
No, you know, I hope by you know, maybe the
football gods will will grace us with a bye week schedule.
I think the ceremony, the actual induction ceremony will be
in the fall sometimes, so we'll see.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
I've got a story if I may.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Yeah, of course, how did I get my start in
the NFL? Nick Cassio was getting inducted into the Hall
of Fame at John Carroll when I was a junior
And it was evening time, you know, a weekend, and uh,
I put on a suit and tie and waited and
I walked up and I said, he Nick, I'm Frank,
I want to work in the NFL one day. Followed
back on a few years later, you know, through that
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that communication and.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Connection, and then that's how it all started. So it
was cool.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
He must have been on a bye week in New
England at the time. I don't necessarily know. If I
get a chance to be up there, it would be
really great if not. When we had this little surprise
get together here with Nick, coach Dimiko, all the rest
of the JCU.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Guys that here they are here, that was a cool
moment Jasik room for everybody.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
I mean he took up the team auditorium, you know.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Yeah, so wait what happened right after graduation? Was it
right then that you went, how did that work for you?
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Yeah? So that was a when I first met. That
was my junior year played ball.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
I did a fifth year year from a medical red
shirt and played okay, started and tried.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
To play in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
And they said, they looked at the stop watch and
they said next. And then we went to uh uh
spring practice and I don't have connection.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
I don't have all the you know.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
So we went to spring practice and I started coaching
the receivers and got a call eventually to do the
interview in the internship and got stuck on from there.
So it was really I was in a semester of
graduate school and then kind of took it over from
there afterward. So it was midway through my second semester.
I guess springtime for for that first opportunity and went
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right there.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
I never looked back, So we may have asked you
this before, but it's a good time to ask it.
Had you not, Were you going to be a coach,
no matter what, regardless of what happened coach or getting
scouted or whatever, was that the plan, no matter what,
like draft day Vonte mac no matter what, was that
what you're gonna do?
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (05:00):
And I it was always first play, Yeah, can I
can I wind it even further back, always to be
the second basement for the Cleveland Indians.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
And then that moved on. They said you can't even
make the throat at first and second base, you know,
you know, uh no, once they once it started being man,
I was the extension of coach on the field as
a high school.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Player, and then I moved forward and I was.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Just always something that I took to and I still
have my goals set for the rest of my career,
and it's yeah, I'm doing what I set out to
do and love the game that I get to compete in.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
So I always wanted to be a coach from from
the jump.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
So along those lines, bringing up playing a second base
for the Cleveland Indians now the Cleveland Guardians, Cleveland Guardians.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Yeah, I'm being proper, that's right. How when you when
we get into draft.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Stuff, for you just looking at players, how important is
it that guys that you're looking at prospects you're studying
have played multiple sports in your.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Eyes, man, I'm I am not a select sport raised advocate.
I want figure it out like that's why football is unique. Yeah,
he started playing football as a senior in high school.
And you know, you look at the famous story of
the boxer of Asilomachenko. He's he's a dancer. His dad
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wouldn't let him fight until he learned how to dance
so he can get good feet, you know. So you
just I love that about sport. To me, football, I
want to see an aer athlete that can play basketball
and hang in the air and contort right to reach
back and get a rebound. I want to see you
has space and awareness timing. I want to see a
wrestler who has body position and like, to me, that
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is so important.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
I am a big advocate for it.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
If I'm going to be a major league pitcher, I
probably need to be throwing the baseball from the age.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Of twelve and going to see a specialist.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
But like you know, for this process, in this sport,
the more you can do the better.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
In my opinion, I'm one of those.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Of course, sure, yeah, you were a scout, So does
that ever leave you? Your teams coordinator now? But does
the scouting part of you never die?
Speaker 1 (07:04):
I never. I love that.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
I think it not only does it never leave me,
I think it has served me and serves me daily
and has served me well. You got to be a
teacher to be a football coach. You're a teacher, You're
a communicator, an educator. But your number one job when
you are totally out of control, and when that is
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is I have zero control on Sundays at noon, my
job is done right like within reasons, but they're out
on the grass doing it. It is my number one
job to put them in the right spot based on
their skill sets. And abilities, So that is fitting the
puzzle pieces together. I think that is where like, Okay,
what can this player from Ohio State, from Texas, whatever
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school you're looking at, what can he do or can't
he do? How do you see it fitting you? How
do you see something he can do? Oh, let's you
use that skill set?
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Well.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
I think it serves me to this day and will
continue to serve me that. I like, I'm not the
greatest scout as far as building a draft board, and
I can't do that. I'll never claim to do that.
It's not as intriguing to me to then say, all right,
here are the players that you're given, what do they do? Well,
let's put them in spots to use their skills. That
to me is an extension of scouting.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Frank, it's been a pretty.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
It's been an incredible offseason in a sense for you
at the Hall of Fame and a lot of things
you have going on. He's the sports words things like that,
But I also know how you are. I know you
care for your players. A ton John Weeks now moves
on to San Francisco forty nine ers. Tucker comes in
Andton comes in to be the long snapper, here.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
I just I wouldn't mind. I would think a lot
of people would.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Love to hear your thoughts about Weeks and what he
meant to you, but also what we now have coming
in behind him.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Yeah, it's it's not like it's the old saying. You
don't replace a right, You don't replace it John Weeks.
You just you figure out what you can do next
type of situation. That's how much he's meant to this team,
to the organization from his the man that he stood
as and in front of our building for years setting
the standards, showing up the pros, pro the consistency, the
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skill set on the field. Here's where I take it,
the person off the field. Like I'm younger than John,
So I come in here as a young coordinator in
twenty twenty one, and I've got a guy who's who's
you know, willing to work with me Like that meant
a lot to me, allowing me to cut my teeth,
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if you will, when he's already had done it at
the highest levels of the profession. So he means the
world to me, He'll always mean the world to me,
and I am forever a better coach and leader in
my opinion, from working with John, especially on my first
go around. You know, moving forward, it's just you know,
it's football. Every year is a new year. You're gonna
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it does not matter the game is going to show
up here in September. We're gonna be ready to go.
And it doesn't matter what it constraints they put on
you. You're gonna make it work. So we're gonna do just that.
I'm excited. I'm excited for that opportunity and the challenge
and and hopefully the guys are as well, like Okay,
you don't have this player or that player, but you
do have this new edition you know, uh, you know
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Nick Neeman and Traymon Smith and Justin and like, okay,
how are they gonna like.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Right, That's where I get excited. And that's the daily challenge.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
So you can't look past today, can't look past the
workout today, the meeting today, whatever it may be, and
we'll just do We'll do it one little step at
a time.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Why is long snapping so difficult, Frank when you look
at the ability to do it, I mean, ideally, if
somebody else, a position player, could just do it really well,
maybe that would be the best thing be the best
thing spot. But you need a spot because it's so specific.
What makes it so tough critical. We better have an
audience on here today. That's that is nitty gritty football.
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Let's talk about snap.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Let's do it. This is where this is where the
fans come right, you know.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
So no, so it is so finite, it is so repeatable,
and there's no room for air.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
There is none.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
So the first thing is is you better be snapping
it on point every time both phases snap for long
and short for field goal snaps, you better be on point.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
There's no room for air.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
You know when guys start rolling them back like they
don't play in the NFL. So that's just you know,
there's a lot of college kids that can snap.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Then the second part comes in, are you strong, quick,
big enough to get you back off the line of scrimmage,
eyes up to then play football relative to the rush
that we're gonna We're gonna pick up and then strike
an anchor.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
You ever blocked.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Then you go watchery in the a gape after snapping
with your head down. It's a hard thing to do.
Good luck, good luck. Better have a guy that can
do it. That's the deal.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
So you know, it's just it's it is a.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Very hard thing to do on repeat, and when do
you get recognized?
Speaker 1 (11:58):
When it goes bad, that's it. That's it.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
So you know, it's just it's a thankless job and
that person is special to your organization, and I'm excited to,
you know, make it work for this year.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
In front of somebody Texans Radio, we mentioned the long snappers'
name on every snap, okay every snap weeks.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Would get I appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
So now I'm gonna sure he does not saying his name.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
The odd about John, I mean, yeah, it's gonna be
like saying La instead of San Diego.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Yeah, that's right, that's gonna happen. There's a lot there.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
We give you a grace period for Freddy and slips,
but then at some point.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
You know, yeah, coach Mark, what to the annual meetings
a few weeks ago? And I always think about you
in those situations because there are gonna be some rule changes,
and it feels like most of the rule changes are
coming out of the kicking game in some way, shape
or form. So the most recent one is the move
of the touchback from the thirty to the thirty five
it's five yards.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
What does it matter? I got a feeling that matters
a lot.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
What are your thoughts on how the kickoff continues to evolve?
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Yeah, so if I take it back to last offseason,
when the reason for the whole kick return and this
drastic overhaul of the kickoff kick return play a safety
at the forefront of that to get the speed in
the space and the collisions. And you know, to the
average fan listening, it's it is a violent play and
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had been a violent play for a long time. So
I totally understand and respect that player safety first, and
that's why there was a driver forced to get that done. Also,
the play kind of started being touchback, touch back, touch back.
The initial proposal with this new hybrid kickoff was the
thirty five. I thought it was a little too punitive
and year call it trial sample size year one, So
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it got tabled, moved it to the thirty What.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Did teams do kick touchbacks? Not us?
Speaker 4 (13:48):
But you know, do you know how many returns Damian
Pierce had?
Speaker 1 (13:52):
How many do you think I'm gonna say twelve? Yeah,
it was like eight or nine.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
Yeah, I mean we didn't get the ball, we didn't
get a chance to return the ball. So if you're
going against a good kick returner, I think Damien is.
But if we're playing against a premier returner, coaches said,
you know, just kick it out. Well, now, if you
put that thing to the thirty five, it's a you're
at a forty percent scoring opportunity rate. Two first downs,
you got a shot at a field goal, not saying
it's a make or miss, but like, think about that
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scoring probably going up a little bit more. I personally
believe you're going to get more kickoffs. So it's at
thirty three percent a year ago, thirties, I think that
thing is gonna jump closer to the seventies. You're gonna
get touch back still, but not at the clip that
it was. And then you got to find ways to
do it more often in game, both in coverage and return.
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You got to do it successfully in both and that
is going to be a large swing and field position.
So then last detail on it, I know I'm getting wordy.
What's the average starting line of scrimmage after a kickoff?
Is like all thirty two teams are like first place.
The first ranked team is the thirty and one inch.
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The last ranked team is the twenty nine and one
inchot like, it's not a big deviation. I think now
you'll have that I think deviation. I think I think
if you concede the thirty five yard line and you
kick touchbacks, like you're gonna give up the thirty five
for free because the data said, the play said, put
the thing in play and go tackle the ball inside
of the thirty. We're gonna try to do that, you know,
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within however it plays out weekly game, et cetera. But
you know, it's just I think you're gonna see a
little bit of a separation.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Oil and water there.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Wow, Well, we've come a long way because the instances
last year where occasionally you'd see a team start at
the twenty, it just looks so it looked like you
were at the goal line or something. And that's how
we used to play football all the time the time,
always at the twenty.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
Take it to the punting game, where the punt's gonna
happen midfield punts. Then you're gonna have more punts to
get dropped inside of the ten. Now they're more backed up,
so backed up offense might uptick all the things right
fringe area of the range. Are you going for it
on fourth downs? Are you kicking long fifty yard field goal?
Attend all these things that you got to start to evaluate.
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See how it plays out. We'll see I'm getting ahead
of myself. You guys ask I get going, but.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
You got But it's the kicking game that gets most
of these you know rule changes. Yeah, there's there was
a there was a proposal for you know, defensive pat
not DEFENSI passor if he's holding and contact may be sure,
but it feels like everything is impacting the kicking game.
So I'll ask this combining the two things we talked about,
scouting and these new rules, when you stare and think, hey,
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there may be more returns. We need more guys that
can go down and cover and make tackles. We might
need Damian, we might need more guys that can catch
a kickoff and do something with it. Does that impact
some of the way that you go about the scouting
and looking at it.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Absolutely, And I don't necessarily know if it looks you know, players,
you look at them differently. I just think it's about
more team construction. Right, You're not going to be healthy
across the board for seven teen weeks. You're gonna have
to put the ball in play. There's gonna injuries may
with the more plays that happened. But now you know,
you take it to the element of football. It's like
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on the grass field position, you know, So how's the
game being played? You know, you want to control and
dominate field position, and then offensively you want to shorten
the field. So do can we return the ball? Do
you have a return game that's adequate, or do you
have a return game that's not dominant? So all those
things are going to really start to impact more. And
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it's about the field position, and it's about how you're
controlling the game. And you know you might have a
way better team than us. But if we got a
short field all Sunday afternoon and you got a long field,
and it's like that for the defense in our offense
is short or long, like you would give that team
the advantage of the NFL is too competitive, too competitive
for that to happen.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
So all right, I got one more for you. Sure
soon enough you'll have rookies in for rookie camp. I
got to thank your speech to them, your tutelage, whatever
takes place during that three day period. However, long it
is is so important because hey, this is your real
ticket to the NFL, baby, And you might not have
done this stuff in college, but you need to do
it here.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
You need to know and there's an entry level job.
Come to the fourth down. Come to fourth down. Yeah,
you guys know. And I always kind of dangle the
care like player participation money, like you how many more
players are on kickoff People were clamoring to get on
field goal block team?
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Those are Oh, yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
It's a lot of reps for the seasons, you know,
but no, it's uh thought about it.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
How do you how do you learn speed of the NFL?
Speaker 4 (18:35):
How do you learn physicality playing against different types of
players us as coaches? Yeah, that guy has spatial instincts.
You gotta go play in a kicking game. Like For
as long as I'll be in this profession, I'm blessed
to be a special teams coach. But like this is
I am a true believer. I believe that that not
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only is a good healthy way to cut your heath,
I think he's an unbelievable developmental skill set for the
rest of your roster. The best way is a bunch
of veterans that are playing really good. You got a
rookie linebacker at that position. As you move out, you
move up. If you could do that on repeat, I
think thirty two teams would sign up for that system.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Along those lines, and this would be last one from me.
How important is it for.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Your veterans, guys that have got a little seasoning to
be part of those crews, to be able to say, yay,
I'll go block a few well like did he go out?
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Who does last year?
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Hey, I'll get on punting. How important is it for
them to sort of emulate that to be hey, we'll
go do that if you need us to. And for
the young guys looking go, hey, man, I'm not too
big for my bridges. If Deniko's on it, then man,
I need to be on it.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
Yeah, but that's a culture thing you're you're speaking to
right there. I mean, the longer you're in it, the
better you become at it.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Right.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
So, if dariogum Wale is one of the better running backs,
if not the like I think the world of dar
a Yeah, a kicking game staple.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Here for how many seasons now?
Speaker 5 (19:59):
Right?
Speaker 4 (20:00):
Not trying to get off the punt team. How many
kickoff tackles. Is he not knifeing tackles?
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Has he made? You know, I don't know many people.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
You know, I can't speak for everybody, but I don't
know many people that would say that it would wag.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Their nose at that.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
I think he's done an outstanding job and to me,
like a guy that takes pride whatever.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Jake Hansen. Now at this point, you know, m J.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Stewart, Treymond, he's you know, has had a wildly sex
wildly successful career doing fourth down and I don't it
might not be the superstar living that every college freshman
is staring at right now, but when you get here, like, yeah,
it's a pretty darn good way to go as well.
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And I think, you know, for your team, more veteran
replacement you have on the kicking game roles, the.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Better you have a chance to be for sure outstanding coach.
Congrats once again on the John Carroll Hall of Fame.
Thanks you, and best of luck with the rest of
the off season.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Thanks guys. Good to see you, guys. Let's have a
good draft weekend. Let's do it.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Okay, See, we just scratch the surface. I mean that's
all we did. We just scratched the surface with Frank Ross.
He was absolutely awesome, all right, also awesome in the
Lab podcast, almost more awesomer than that is in the
Lab Final the Ultimate Mock Draft Simulator coming up next
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right here in Texas all Access. All right, we gotta
jump right back in in the Lab with myself, John
Harris and Drew Doherty.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
We do our.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Final, the Ultimate in the Lab Mock Draft Simulator, and
hopefully the draft goes just like this, and here we go,
let's start it. Cameron Ward goes number one to the
Tennessee Titans. No big surprise, Hey, okay.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
Fly off the board and trades come up. I see
one from the Bengals wonning twenty five and two forty
one for forty nine eighty one and a two next year.
I think that's a little too little, and then kind
of one from the Chargers that I think is a
little too little. It's a lot, but I just can't
do that. And I don't want Royal Canadian whiskey. I'm
sorry about that. Folks, got the the ad got me there,
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but I want to take the pick. And we see
Derek Carmon there, and Derek Carmon, I think it's going
to be a really good pro.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
But he's gonna be a productive guy. He's enticing.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
But the name right below him, John Tyler Booker is
by all accounts, the best guard in the draft. Maybe
maybe the best lineman. You could make that argument, probably not,
but he's there. He went to Alabama. Will Anderson has
gushed about him. Many others have gushed about him. You've
told the story many times how the folks at Alabama
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rave about his leadership and then on top of it,
he's a fantastic player.
Speaker 6 (22:40):
Is this the pick? Is it too too much of
a no brainer? Because a Buka's there a great zab.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Those five picks, those five players that we see Harmon
eighteen for them, Booker twenty four, Nolan twenty six, Zabel
twenty seven, Meco Bukat twenty nine. Any of those five
I would feel even Walter Nolan, and I know he's
had some you know, there are always some you know,
anger issues, whatever you want to call him, you frustration, fine,
and Danny, you wipe your hands and say, that's a
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cool pick.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
I'm fine with it.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
I'd be okay with that because I think they would
surround him in the locker room and really make the
most of that. But you know what I've said, Booker,
no matter what's Booker Golden, no matter what for me.
So Booker is there, I think this is I'm so
glad to see him there. Let's snatch him up at
twenty five. Now, a couple of gen xers, you and me.
It's not Booker, It's not Richard Griico Booker. It's Tyler Booker.
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Booker T not Booker T. We love Booker T Okay.
Now we're on a fifty eight and second round.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
Cowboys want to trade, get bent, cowboys, we're not giving
up that for now.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Boys offering seventy six and a third.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
Asking for this pick here is this is Enticing from Cleveland.
You're they're offering you to move back just a bit.
So you move into the third, but it's the top
of the third. And then you add an at pick
ninety four for pick one sixty six, another late third.
I'm in tree by that. But look, let's look who's
on the board. John Yeah, this name Kenneth Grant. Yeah,
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Enticing at fifty eight, the thirty nine right below Traveon Henderson.
That's my draft crush, I mean yeah, and I even
texted you during games this year.
Speaker 6 (24:13):
Yeah, man, I like that. Travion Henderson.
Speaker 5 (24:16):
Then there's some other names down there, Mason Taylor, a
pretty good tight end, t J. Sanders, defensive tackle. I'm
gonna defer to you on this one. It's for me.
It's it's between Kenneth Grant Travion Henderson, and I make
Henderson the call, but I will defer to you.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
You got to you gotta make this call now.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
I have Kenneth Grant rated higher than I do Traveon Henderson,
and I do think Kenneth Grant would definitely help.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Now.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
I feel like Henderson's a home run hitter. You don't
have offensively love home run you know how. We kind
of had to slog through offensively last year, especially after
Steph went down.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
It was a slog It was just it was hard.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
We didn't have any really home run hitters, seemingly, as
you know, Joe's a home run hitter. But Joe has
to be the F one fifty. You know, you can't
just go bring the Maserati out for you know, a
little day drive when you need it.
Speaker 6 (25:07):
The F one fifty does not do one any five.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
But Joe's got game breaking ability. There's no question.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
I don't want to overlook that, but I just feel like, man,
we need we need some big plays.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Henderson's a guy that can create it.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Drew, I'm actually going to defer to you on this
one because I think Travion Henderson would be as much
as I think Trenches a lot. I think Henderson being
there at fifty eight I would want to jump all
over this.
Speaker 6 (25:29):
Kenneth Grant love you.
Speaker 5 (25:31):
I hope you go to an NFC team and don't
haunt our games for the next decade or so.
Speaker 6 (25:35):
But let's go with Oh you know.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Where Kenith Grant's going. Look at this. Look at the
pick right after ours fifty nine Ravens. Yeah, watch you
watch this good and pick Henderson. See what happens. No,
he didn't go, but he went a couple of picks
before that, a couple picks after that, so not too surprising.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
But I could see the Ravens jumping over Kenneth Grant.
Speaker 6 (25:52):
We don't want to move back twenty in at of foe.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Now it's seventy nine. No, we don't want to do that.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
We don't want to do this one either, fifteen, So
let's make a pick. Jackson Dart's still there. I bet
he goes before this, you know, I don't think he goes. Yeah,
I don't think he gets its kind of a put
a an astress by this.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
Okay, Mason Taylor, you like him tight.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
End lsu Yeah, I mean I've comped him to Dalton Schultz,
and I think Mason's I think Mason's probably a little
bit of a better blocker at this point, maybe then
the Dalton was. But I don't know if that's a
little redundant tight end wise, I don't know. I mean, look, Tyler,
Terrence Ferguson's he's down there. Terrence Ferguson from Oregon is
still on the board. I really like watching them at
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the Senior Bowl. In fact, I've got those two graded
about this about the same. I mean, I don't think
there's as much gap between Mason Taylor and Terrence Ferguson.
Harrold Fanna Junior is an interesting one, but I think
you kind of have Harrold Fanner Junior in Brevin Jordan.
And I know Brev's coming back off of the knee injury,
but I think Fannon would fit for a number of teams,
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and if the text ended up taking him.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
I could see them using him.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
He's kind of an interesting dude, kind of a tight end,
h back move guy. I don't even think it's his
tight end. He's not really a wide tight end. I
mean he's kind of a full back move guy, which
is kind of what Brev's done. It's kind of what
Kate Stover did last year. But picked seven or the
seventy two right there on their board.
Speaker 5 (27:13):
That's the one Jared Wilsons, So I mentioned earlier, I've
got a crush on Trevion Henderson. This one, Jared Wilson
I liked, Yeah, and then I heard you say, well,
he's probably the best.
Speaker 6 (27:26):
Center in this draft.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Yeah, he's the best center in this draft. I mean
I think he's a pure center.
Speaker 6 (27:29):
Now does he come in and start as a center?
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Now that's a great point.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
I think there's gonna be one hell of a competition,
and I think some of it has to do with
you know, we got Booker.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Booker's a guard, so he's gonna play guard.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
So does Booker's presence push Titus back out to tackle?
I don't think it does. I think a guard combo
of Titus and Booker would be really really fun. So
then at that point you've gotten now a competition of
Jared Patterson, Jew Scruggs, who's the second rounder a few
years ago.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Drafted both of them in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
And then if you were to draft Wilson, which what
the point to me is, if I take a third
round pick in Wilson but it guarantees me that one
of the three becomes a quality center for this team,
then I'm all for it.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
And whether it be Wilson or Juice or Jared or whomever, you're.
Speaker 5 (28:17):
Out, you're raising the tides of rightes. Yeah, I want
to do this.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
I I really have been kind of high on Jared
Wilson after watch.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
Single time I've had a draft where he's available around here,
I've taken him. Okay, And there's been o those things
that have been to Alfred keep going trenches.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Let's go.
Speaker 5 (28:33):
Alfred Collins is the only one that kind of makes
me pause here, But I'm I'm going for you're telling
me he's a stas center or he's going to yield
at starting center, Let's do it.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Here's the thing too, with with the centers or the
interior off of the lineman I just don't find the
depth there. So get the depth there, go and get
the get the highest rated guy you can get there.
Interior defensive lineman nine, ten eleven is still pretty am good. Yeah,
so I think you can get a defensive lineman. I
think there will. It'll be guys on the board ten
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picks later that we can look at and be very
happy with and maybe off for Collins is still on
the board. Maybe maybe not. I can't see whether he
came off the board or not. But I think Alfred
Collins would be a guy. I could look at seventy
nine oclok at eighty nine, that would be a guy.
But I think interior defensive line, there's just so many
of them in this draft. That's such a good class
that I would take Wilson there and then look maybe
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an interior defensive line at this pic.
Speaker 5 (29:23):
Okay, this has been an unrealistic draft so far because
for the Texans, because we have many trades we have
not But here's a scenario in which I would make
this trade. Okay, let's take a look to hear what
you say. I mean, how do you not do this?
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Yes, Okay, we're sitting at eighty nine, moved back three
to get yeah two yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, I mean
almost thirty three.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
I like that.
Speaker 6 (29:46):
Go to one thirty seven with the Seahawks.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Let's do it.
Speaker 5 (29:48):
Like names on the board now, listen that this does
give me. I like Jayden Higgins, He's in. Do you
like al?
Speaker 1 (29:55):
I like Higgins a lot more than I like I
am an Ore.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
OK.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
I like Ferguson. That's left on the board.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
If you move back three, one of those guys is
a still probably gonna be there.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
I think that's true.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
And then you also get that, so you're giving up
three spots here for twenty nine spots later.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
I kind of like it.
Speaker 6 (30:10):
Let's do it, accept make the trade, all right? Ersery
is still.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
There, imn are still there. Ferguson from Ferguson's very interesting.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
I love his build, I love his athleticism, very light
on his feet, good hands. I think he can be
a decent blocker. I don't think he's a great blocker now,
but I think he can be even better. I mean,
Terrence Ferguson Kate Stover would be kind of fun. Schultzen
Schultzen Ferguson. I mean, I think you could have uh
and do some good things with Terrence ferguson here.
Speaker 5 (30:38):
But is there a red light blinking over Erstrie because
he's like the fifty six bet. I mean, do you
I know we've gone O line heavy so far, but dude,
there is you take that best player available and just
do it.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
I mean best player available. I'll probably do it. I mean,
he's a right tackle. If he's a tackle, big strong,
I mean really strong, dude, kind of diff lagged.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
It's hard to fall in love with him earth.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
I mean, he's one of those guys that really kind
of grew on me in this process. I mean, and
I'm not gonna sit there and tell you that I
absolutely love him, but in ninety two, I think that
would be a really good fit. I think Ursery is
hard to look away from. But I think by the
time we pick again, I think Fergus gonna.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Be out of the board.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Now there are some tight ends in his group that
are are are nice, nice guys. I'm not saying nice guys.
I'm saying like nice picks like that. I would like it,
but I think it's hard to turn away from a
tackle like Ursery at this point a third round.
Speaker 5 (31:31):
So I think that's take kay let's do it. Hey,
what have we heard all off season?
Speaker 6 (31:35):
Long? Texan's gotta protect better?
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Yeah, I gotta protect better.
Speaker 5 (31:38):
In one way or another. That's going to help you
do that. Okay, we're picking one, three seven, that's from
that trade. We're moving, we're grooving. Jalen Reed is the
top prospect there, safety from Penn State. You see some
of these other names, Belton another tackle, We're not gonna
do that. Jamari Caldwell defensive tackle down there. You got
Jordan Phillips in the mix. What are you thinking here?
Speaker 2 (31:58):
All right, Drew, because I have I'm now fifty three,
so I've gotten older and so my brain doesn't work
as much.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
I'm trying to remember.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Can you click on our on my on my picks
on what we've done thus far? Yes, we kind of
up make to people. So we drafted Booker at twenty five.
We took Trevion Henderson, the running back at Ohio State
fifty eight. Good value there. Jered Wilson is center from Georgia.
We took the best center I have in the draft,
and ronte Urseri from Minnesota at number ninety two.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
So we've gone guard tackle, center.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
So we've really bolstered offensively and taking Traveon Henderson.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
A couple of names that I see there that I like.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
I mean, Oli Gordon is if we hadn't taken Travon Henderson,
I would think about Oli Gordon, Dylan Sampson. We've already
gotten kind of a better version than Traveon Henderson, but
a very similar model. If you will there, you know
one's a one's a Corolla, one's a Tursell.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
If you remember the Toyota. I don't know why I
used Toyota, but I guess Toyota because it says right
above it.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Anthony Belton is a guy I would think, but man,
we've already gotten three offensive linemen. I would take Belton,
convert him to a guard. Jamari Caldwell is really really interesting.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Yeah to me.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
He and Jordan Phillips provide some size what I've been
talking about all along, athletic size. I think Jamary Coldell
is like three twenty five, a little shorter and stouter,
but quick agile play University Houston, four winth Oregon.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
I felt like he tore dudes up at the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Jordan Phillips had a really good shrine bawl up in
Frisco up in Dallas, you could. I think you could
go either one of the defensive line. I'm gonna lead
Caldwell just because he went to you of h kooks.
All right, let's take go Cooks. Let's take him go Coops.
Come on, Jamark Caldwell. All right, all right, we don't.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Pick for a while now.
Speaker 5 (33:45):
Yeah, the name coming off the board long time. Yeah,
you don't pick again until two thirty six sections have
gone trenches and running back in this draft and.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Then trenches, trenches, trenches on both sides of the ball.
Speaker 6 (33:58):
All right, okay, this here we go.
Speaker 5 (34:00):
This name excuse me, uh, Peter Brady right there for
those of you who are old and used to watch
the Brady bunch. Yeah, voice was cracking. This name, Ingram Dawkins.
This is tantalizing to me because it sounds like he
can play a lot of things.
Speaker 6 (34:14):
But I want to hear your I.
Speaker 5 (34:15):
Mean, you and I have not talked about him, but
there's a lot of great names that intrigue me him.
I really like the Jalen Conyers. I want to hear
what you think about him. Yes, he's a tight end
and the Texans have not taken a tight end in
this draft. I also want to hear your thoughts on Hawes.
Tim Smith, defensive tackle out of Alabama has been taken
in some mocks. You see Antoine Wells. Yeah, he's a
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wide receiver out of Ole Miss. What are you thinking here? Okay,
do you like Ingram Dowalks.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
We'll talk about Ingram Dawkins, a little bit lighter interior player,
which I think the Texans have enough of now. So
he you know, good, motor plays, hard plays, heavy plays violent.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
I just I don't. I don't love the fit. Plus
we've already gotten called well, so I think we've done
enough on that d line. Zee Biggers would be a
guy look at because he's longer and really athletic for
a due that's three to ten ish. Kanyers is kind
of like a more tight end version of Taysom Hill.
He can play wildcat, he can play full back. I
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want to say he's got quarterback in his system. They
would use him at wildcat at Texas Tech. He's just
kind of a play creator, very very intriguing to me.
But let's flash down at two thirty four. The guy
I've been waiting for was hoping he was still on
the board. When everybody talks about tight end for this team,
you know they're talking about the top end guys in
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this draft, but I don't think it's really what the
Texans absolutely need. But the Texans need at tight end
is somebody that can swap paint with a six technique
that just goes to battle, is violent as a blocker's
I love the fact that Jackson Hawes is an Ivy leaguer,
graduated Yale, had one year of eligibility, transferred on Georgia Tech.
And it was his blocking and his physicality it kind
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of caught everybody's attention.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Now the Senior.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Bowl, he was very, very active catching the football. He
had good soft hands. I was really impressed. I was
probably more impressed with that and is blocking. But throughout
the season it's just blocking his physicality that get it
to me.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
This is Jackson Hawes all day.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
To get that kind of in line wide tight end
you're looking for kaboom.
Speaker 5 (36:13):
Five picks later is hard. That's two forty one, that's
your final pick.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Now, one thing we can do on this, Let's click
on the offensive tab, Drew. Let's just look at the
wide receivers that are there, and I think the wide
receivers that are there, and I'm gonna I'm gonna make
a case for one of them here that I really
hear the receivers that on the board. Antoine Juice Wells
from Old Miss. Playmaker had a great career at South
Carolina before he went to Old Miss. Probably better at
South Carolina and Old Miss not a flyer, but I
think it would be a good fit in this room.
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Then you got Ja Corey Brooks from Louisville. I would
be very happy with Bru McCoy. I've been following forever.
It's injuries issues, Coundray, Lambert Smith can fly. This might
be it would be a steal potentially to find him here.
But the guy that gets interesting to me is well
two guys Fton Chisholm from Eastern Washington.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Why makes you miss in a phone booth?
Speaker 2 (36:59):
He had one of the better three come times and
it shows on the field that dude will shake anybody.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
He's got amazing quickness.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Now he's not fast, he's like a four to seven forty,
but he's a slot receiver dujoure. The guy that might
provide more of that and more speed is Jimmy Horn
Junior from Colorado. Whenever I watched Colorado, he was the
guy that always impressed me. Obviously Travis Hunter always impressed us,
but Jimmy Horn Junior was the guy that he went Man,
he's running away from guys, he's making plays.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
I think Jimmy.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Horn Junior right here, that's the call, would be the
seventh or I would. I would really like to see
him with the Texans, So let's do that, all right.
He's a little bit more of a slot guy, but
he's got speed out of the slot.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
There are different kinds of slot.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Like Chisholm from Eastern Washington is more kind of the
true slot, kind of the whips and pivots and you know,
working the chaos and the short you know, five to
seven yard range.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Then there's kind of a Christian Kirk who.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Plays in the slot, but it's dangerous out of the
slot because he can run slot fades, he can run posts.
Speaker 6 (37:56):
I wrote an article, you wrote a really good article
about this.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
And he's text where he isolates the safety and beats
him one on one with speed.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
I think Jimmy Horn is kind of a mix of both.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
I think he can really work that chaos in the
shallow areas. But then he's got the speed to be
able to burn down the field. So I like getting
him in the seventh round.
Speaker 5 (38:13):
All right, look at that. The Texans made seven picks
and only one of them was on defense. That's wild.
I don't think you'll see that. But this is what
we had. Yeah, and these are the options in front
of us.
Speaker 6 (38:23):
You couldn't.
Speaker 5 (38:24):
I mean, you you walk away a winner, I think
after round one and then it's icing on cake. And
I've used this again, icing on icing with Jared Wilson,
and then from there you get some good I mean,
it's good players all around.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
I like this.
Speaker 6 (38:38):
I like this draft alone.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
No, Drew, you you and I kind of have, you know,
similar existences in a sense that you know, Texas fans
will take out their vitriol on us in sense whether
it's comments or they see you in the store, like, Drew,
what the you know, what the hell are they doing? Well,
what's the one thing we heard about all year long?
The offensive line? The offensive line? Well, you can't be
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dismayed with what we just did with the offensive line
because we added potential starters at all three positions, you know, center,
guard and tackle.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
We got the guy.
Speaker 5 (39:10):
We've made the competition supremely fierce. It was already going
to be fierce.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Right and and that's I think exactly what you want
to be able to get the best five battle tested
dudes out of that room. You get a guy and
Booker that is thought to be in alpha. And I
remember when I wrote that about will Anderson Junior. I
remember thinking, Okay, I would love to see it in
Texas locker room. And not only has that been a
big factor in Texas locker room, he set the tone
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for the way other people should think about the Texans
and any players coming in this building should think about
playing for the Texans. And so hopefully Booker is is
that kind of guy. But you know, we heard so
much about the offensive line. You can't sit there and go, well,
what are you doing? That's too much on the offensive
There's no such thing as too much on the offensive line.
And I give you this last year, it's about this
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time that Phildelphi Eagles signed a tackle that had busted
with the Jets. Couldn't play too fat, too big, just
didn't get it done.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
And the Eagles had all these players already.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
They already had them on hand, and they when they
signed with Kai Becton, and it was like, what's really
bet'ing gonna do for them?
Speaker 1 (40:22):
It's not gonna play tackle. You're gonna put them a guard.
You don't really fit it guard.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
But Beckton wins the competition, ends up being the starter,
and ends up being one of the better guards in
the NFL.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Last year the Phildeffi Eagles.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Now I'm not saying that's all gonna work, but that
was a situation in which, well, is that overkill on
the offensive line. You didn't have to pay a lot
for him, but still, you know, you got all these
guys in the offensive line, you add another piece. No,
it panned out, so us drafting three different offensive linemen
on day one and day two, that's exactly what.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
That painting needed.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
That room needed to be painted, and it needs all
the paint possible to throw up on the canvas.
Speaker 5 (40:58):
Because what happens if DJ Stroud has that extra half
So that's right, what happens if not getting knocked around,
that's right, ten times a game. He's only get knocked
around four times a game. What happens? Yes, then with
the offense. The guys you have there who are your playmakers,
they're a little bit more explosive. That's right, because CJ
has time.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
That's exactly right.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
So all that about, you know, well, too much investment
in that trenches. To me, there's no such thing.
Speaker 5 (41:23):
Yeah, there's no such thing from what we saw as
too much investment that in January. Yes, he on average,
this was the magic number. I believe we've talked about this,
but the magic number, it seemed for the Texans last.
Speaker 6 (41:34):
Year was four four sacks.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 5 (41:37):
You got stacked four or more times. The Texans went
too and eight. Yep, it was less. It was kind
of like you reversed the number exactly, so you exactly
in last year for the first time in a long time,
maybe ever, I don't know, I need to look this up.
The Texans did not have a clean sheet, meaning they
did not have a single game.
Speaker 6 (41:57):
Where they allowed zero sacks.
Speaker 5 (41:59):
Yeah, I mean, they get they would go one sack
against the Titans, but that was a different kind of scenario.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
Yeah, it was in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
They had not a number of games, but they had
a handful where they gave up where they had clean
sheets where they did not give up a sack, and
if you went back and look, those are probably the
ones where they had the most offensive output.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
I remember one was Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
I remember that and that offense that day was pretty
damn good in that game against the Pittsburgh Steelers. And
that was playing Austin Deculus and Diron Christian at tackle
in that game. So gotta get trench help, and I
think you just got to get more and bring it
to the competition.
Speaker 5 (42:39):
That's what the Texans did in this mock draft simulation.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
There you have it. It's a good one. We got
better in the trenches for sure.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
Three.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
I I'd like to think rock stars. Any trench guys
we draft, they're gonna be rock stars. So it was
good U to put that down on Wax for all
to listen to. Thank y'all very very much throughout the
year for following the end of lab mock draft simulators
and all that.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
That was really fun to finish up with.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
You go to check out the YouTube video so you
kind of get a feel of what we were looking at.
You can definitely do that as well, so I'd encourage
you to do that. Okay, we are on draft eve
final bits of news. Is there anything, We'll hit some
of those things on the way out next on Texans
All Access. All right, here we go, last second of
the show right here on a Wednesday evening, Tomorrow night
(43:27):
at this time, Mark and I'll be finishing up Texans
All Access before we then take over and I go
into Draft mode at seven o'clock. Welle right here at
Sports Radio six'. Ten you watch ON. Tv that's, cool
but listen to. Us it'll Be Mark andre and myself
(43:48):
along With Robert hensley with the.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
Updates robert does a great.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
Job in, fact one of my Memories i'll have going
to my grave will Be Robert hensley leaning across the
desk with finger up AFTER. Cj strout is picked to
let us know The texans were indeed trading up to
go Get Will.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
Anderson so we'll have the. Show we will have this
show for you On thursday.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
Night we will also be at the draft party downtown
right There Discovery, green so come check us. Out looks
like any rain or any bad weather is gonna be
out of the, way so we should Be we should be.
Okay friday, Night it'll be me And mark along With
Robert hensley doing the updates On.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
Friday Then, Saturday.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
Sean pegragas AND i will do the morning and Then
mark will come in with me as we finish it.
Up we are efforting on that Day Nick, cassario BUT
i don't know if we'll get. Him hopefully we. Do
that would be, really really. Fun so we'll get player
interviews the guys that are. Drafted Drew dory's gonna do those,
interviews so you want to be. Listening those are gonna be.
Fun and OBVIOUSLY i know this draft inside. Out dre
(44:52):
has been calling college games, forever so he knows these
guys that are drafted in the first round On thursday.
NIGHT i always love doing that Draft withdre because he's
always got insight from production meetings and things that he
has the insight.
Speaker 1 (45:04):
For he knows these.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
Quarterbacks and obviously we got A state Of texas quarterback
going number one, overall more than likely that being Cam.
Ward so it's going to, tights so we'll see him
where they won't be wearing the Old oilers, jerseys so
that'll be kind of, fun all, right as we go
around THE. NFL i don't know that too much has been.
Happening there is a little bit of like rumor. STUFF
(45:26):
i think it's kind of. Fun the first rumor THAT
i saw this was, PROBABLY i think it Was George,
schultz probably around, lunchtime said that The steelers are entertaining
calls On George, pickens AND i, thought, now my guy
tells me that we are nowhere near. That George pickens is,
(45:47):
mercurial he is hot, headed he is incredibly. Talented BUT
i don't think we would be on in a. Mix but,
look it's a, draft it's THE. Nfl i've said this numerous,
times especially in the last seven eight, years and especially
After DeAndre hopkins was. Traded i'm not surprised by anything
that happens anymore in THE.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
Nfl so could The texas be making a move On George.
PICKENS i don't think, so and it wouldn't BE i
don't think it'd be the right. Move that's just.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
Me but he apparently is on the, Board so that
is one to keep in. Mind Dallas Goddard philtoph The
eagles another one that is on the board for a potential. Trade, now,
AGAIN i don't think The texas would be in that.
MARKET i don't think one thing that caught my eye
THAT i thought was, LIKE i literally like stumbled all over.
(46:39):
MYSELF pff did a seven round mock, draft AND i
was curious as TO i always look at the mock,
draft especially seven, rounders to go beyond the first round
and see what they. DO i felt, like, ay it
was one of the worst Ones i'd. Seen they had
The texas Taking Josh simmons at, tackle AND i think
it's pretty clear That texas are not Taking Josh simmons a.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
Tackle there's there's too much going on.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
There they Had Pooh Paul Chris Pooh paul From, ole
Miss his nickname Is. Pooh, yes they had him as
a draft. PICK i just don't think we're gonna take
a linebacker until day. THREE i just think there are other,
needs but especially the way the linebacker position has been
bolstered WITH.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
Ej speed, signing et.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
Cetera then they had Taken Queen ewers in the seventh
round at two forty, one AND i just finished my
draft needs and you go check it out football taker dot.
Com this one's free on The Houston. TEXANS i just
have them not even looking at a. Quarterback but it
picked seventy nine that The texans trading For Tyreek, hill
AND i kind of doghead turned, like, ah, man there's
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no way, there no, way, right no, Way you never.
Speaker 1 (47:47):
Know if we are now on to.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
Draft we can appreciate you guys for. Listening we will
see you tomorrow From GEORGE. R brown as his team
attempts to get better with their first round. Pick we'll see, that,
everybody and as, always Go texans
What's happened? Everybody. Welcome to Draft Eve. Yes, the draft
tomorrow night. Thankfully. Oh my god, let's get this thing going.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
I am tired of hearing about the Texas trading up,
trading out, or sticking and picking, like those are the
three options and well they could do this, they could
do that, or they could well, yeah, they could do
any of those three things. So anyways, we'll take you
through a show tonight that is going to be awesome.
I'm your host, Jean Harris, football analyst, sideline reporter for
your Houston Texans. Drew Dordy will stop by the next
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segment as we do our in the Lab final mock draft.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
It was awesome. We came out of there.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
We felt really really good about what we did, and
if the draft fell that exact way, we'd feel great
about that. But we are going to kick off this
show this evening with one of our favorites.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
You got in the building at twenty twenty one, and I.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Could talk to this guy and about anything, it doesn't matter, music, haircuts, football, basketball,
sports business. Frank Ross special teams coordinator seemingly knows it all.
We loved having There was a big announcement this week
about uh or actually I think it was the end
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of last week for Frank Ross.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
He'll get into it.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
We'll get into it right here as we catch up
with the special teams coordinator.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
D Sure my man, the boss, Frank.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Ross, Special teams coordinator Frank Ross with us in studio.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Coach, great to see him. Good see you guys.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
All right, off season visit. We have a lot to
get to. Okay, Hall of Fame. We got to get
to that, all right. In fact, let's get to it first.
John Carroll Sports Hall of Fame. Congratulations the surprise video
we made all of that.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
What was your reaction to getting in? Thanks?
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Oh, I'm super honored and excited. That was a very
cool moment. Surprise for sure. You know, I've I've closed
my yearbook, so and proudly I'm about the twenty twenty
five Texans. Here comes coach Frank about the twenty twenty
five Texas. But when it gets open and pride open again,
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incredible honor and really because like that's not a goal
of mine, right, that wasn't ever a goal of mine.
It's always cool, like I want to win games. Yeah,
you know, we weren't the greatest team in generation of
John Carroll Sports football when I was there, but had
a lot of fun playing hard and it was cool
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to I guess to say, to be recognized in retrospect
by peers or whoever else up there, and man, I
love my school.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
I'm proud. So it was great honor. Will there be
a ceremony?
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Will you get to be able to be with, you know,
some of your former teammates on what's kind of that aspect?
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Coach? Yeah, well half of our building. Yeah, John Carroll,
you know, apparently celebrate Houston. They're all over the NFL, right,
all of us.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
No, you know, I hope by you know, maybe the
football gods will will grace us with a bye week schedule.
I think the ceremony, the actual induction ceremony will be
in the fall sometimes, so we'll see.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
I've got a story if I may.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Yeah, of course, how did I get my start in
the NFL? Nick Cassio was getting inducted into the Hall
of Fame at John Carroll when I was a junior
And it was evening time, you know, a weekend, and uh,
I put on a suit and tie and waited and
I walked up and I said, he Nick, I'm Frank,
I want to work in the NFL one day. Followed
back on a few years later, you know, through that
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that communication and.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Connection, and then that's how it all started. So it
was cool.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
He must have been on a bye week in New
England at the time. I don't necessarily know. If I
get a chance to be up there, it would be
really great if not. When we had this little surprise
get together here with Nick, coach Dimiko, all the rest
of the JCU.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Guys that here they are here, that was a cool
moment Jasik room for everybody.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
I mean he took up the team auditorium, you know.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Yeah, so wait what happened right after graduation? Was it
right then that you went, how did that work for you?
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Yeah? So that was a when I first met. That
was my junior year played ball.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
I did a fifth year year from a medical red
shirt and played okay, started and tried.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
To play in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
And they said, they looked at the stop watch and
they said next. And then we went to uh uh
spring practice and I don't have connection.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
I don't have all the you know.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
So we went to spring practice and I started coaching
the receivers and got a call eventually to do the
interview in the internship and got stuck on from there.
So it was really I was in a semester of
graduate school and then kind of took it over from
there afterward. So it was midway through my second semester.
I guess springtime for for that first opportunity and went
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right there.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
I never looked back, So we may have asked you
this before, but it's a good time to ask it.
Had you not, Were you going to be a coach,
no matter what, regardless of what happened coach or getting
scouted or whatever, was that the plan, no matter what,
like draft day Vonte mac no matter what, was that
what you're gonna do?
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (05:00):
And I it was always first play, Yeah, can I
can I wind it even further back, always to be
the second basement for the Cleveland Indians.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
And then that moved on. They said you can't even
make the throat at first and second base, you know,
you know, uh no, once they once it started being man,
I was the extension of coach on the field as
a high school.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Player, and then I moved forward and I was.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Just always something that I took to and I still
have my goals set for the rest of my career,
and it's yeah, I'm doing what I set out to
do and love the game that I get to compete in.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
So I always wanted to be a coach from from
the jump.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
So along those lines, bringing up playing a second base
for the Cleveland Indians now the Cleveland Guardians, Cleveland Guardians.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Yeah, I'm being proper, that's right. How when you when
we get into draft.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Stuff, for you just looking at players, how important is
it that guys that you're looking at prospects you're studying
have played multiple sports in your.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Eyes, man, I'm I am not a select sport raised advocate.
I want figure it out like that's why football is unique. Yeah,
he started playing football as a senior in high school.
And you know, you look at the famous story of
the boxer of Asilomachenko. He's he's a dancer. His dad
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wouldn't let him fight until he learned how to dance
so he can get good feet, you know. So you
just I love that about sport. To me, football, I
want to see an aer athlete that can play basketball
and hang in the air and contort right to reach
back and get a rebound. I want to see you
has space and awareness timing. I want to see a
wrestler who has body position and like, to me, that
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is so important.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
I am a big advocate for it.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
If I'm going to be a major league pitcher, I
probably need to be throwing the baseball from the age.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Of twelve and going to see a specialist.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
But like you know, for this process, in this sport,
the more you can do the better.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
In my opinion, I'm one of those.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Of course, sure, yeah, you were a scout, So does
that ever leave you? Your teams coordinator now? But does
the scouting part of you never die?
Speaker 1 (07:04):
I never. I love that.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
I think it not only does it never leave me,
I think it has served me and serves me daily
and has served me well. You got to be a
teacher to be a football coach. You're a teacher, You're
a communicator, an educator. But your number one job when
you are totally out of control, and when that is
(07:28):
is I have zero control on Sundays at noon, my
job is done right like within reasons, but they're out
on the grass doing it. It is my number one
job to put them in the right spot based on
their skill sets. And abilities, So that is fitting the
puzzle pieces together. I think that is where like, Okay,
what can this player from Ohio State, from Texas, whatever
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school you're looking at, what can he do or can't
he do? How do you see it fitting you? How
do you see something he can do? Oh, let's you
use that skill set?
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Well.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
I think it serves me to this day and will
continue to serve me that. I like, I'm not the
greatest scout as far as building a draft board, and
I can't do that. I'll never claim to do that.
It's not as intriguing to me to then say, all right,
here are the players that you're given, what do they do? Well,
let's put them in spots to use their skills. That
to me is an extension of scouting.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Frank, it's been a pretty.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
It's been an incredible offseason in a sense for you
at the Hall of Fame and a lot of things
you have going on. He's the sports words things like that,
But I also know how you are. I know you
care for your players. A ton John Weeks now moves
on to San Francisco forty nine ers. Tucker comes in
Andton comes in to be the long snapper, here.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
I just I wouldn't mind. I would think a lot
of people would.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Love to hear your thoughts about Weeks and what he
meant to you, but also what we now have coming
in behind him.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Yeah, it's it's not like it's the old saying. You
don't replace a right, You don't replace it John Weeks.
You just you figure out what you can do next
type of situation. That's how much he's meant to this team,
to the organization from his the man that he stood
as and in front of our building for years setting
the standards, showing up the pros, pro the consistency, the
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skill set on the field. Here's where I take it,
the person off the field. Like I'm younger than John,
So I come in here as a young coordinator in
twenty twenty one, and I've got a guy who's who's
you know, willing to work with me Like that meant
a lot to me, allowing me to cut my teeth,
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if you will, when he's already had done it at
the highest levels of the profession. So he means the
world to me, He'll always mean the world to me,
and I am forever a better coach and leader in
my opinion, from working with John, especially on my first
go around. You know, moving forward, it's just you know,
it's football. Every year is a new year. You're gonna
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it does not matter the game is going to show
up here in September. We're gonna be ready to go.
And it doesn't matter what it constraints they put on
you. You're gonna make it work. So we're gonna do just that.
I'm excited. I'm excited for that opportunity and the challenge
and and hopefully the guys are as well, like Okay,
you don't have this player or that player, but you
do have this new edition you know, uh, you know
(10:17):
Nick Neeman and Traymon Smith and Justin and like, okay,
how are they gonna like.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Right, That's where I get excited. And that's the daily challenge.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
So you can't look past today, can't look past the
workout today, the meeting today, whatever it may be, and
we'll just do We'll do it one little step at
a time.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Why is long snapping so difficult, Frank when you look
at the ability to do it, I mean, ideally, if
somebody else, a position player, could just do it really well,
maybe that would be the best thing be the best
thing spot. But you need a spot because it's so specific.
What makes it so tough critical. We better have an
audience on here today. That's that is nitty gritty football.
(10:54):
Let's talk about snap.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Let's do it. This is where this is where the
fans come right, you know.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
So no, so it is so finite, it is so repeatable,
and there's no room for air.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
There is none.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
So the first thing is is you better be snapping
it on point every time both phases snap for long
and short for field goal snaps, you better be on point.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
There's no room for air.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
You know when guys start rolling them back like they
don't play in the NFL. So that's just you know,
there's a lot of college kids that can snap.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Then the second part comes in, are you strong, quick,
big enough to get you back off the line of scrimmage,
eyes up to then play football relative to the rush
that we're gonna We're gonna pick up and then strike
an anchor.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
You ever blocked.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Then you go watchery in the a gape after snapping
with your head down. It's a hard thing to do.
Good luck, good luck. Better have a guy that can
do it. That's the deal.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
So you know, it's just it's it is a.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Very hard thing to do on repeat, and when do
you get recognized?
Speaker 1 (11:58):
When it goes bad, that's it. That's it.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
So you know, it's just it's a thankless job and
that person is special to your organization, and I'm excited to,
you know, make it work for this year.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
In front of somebody Texans Radio, we mentioned the long snappers'
name on every snap, okay every snap weeks.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Would get I appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
So now I'm gonna sure he does not saying his name.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
The odd about John, I mean, yeah, it's gonna be
like saying La instead of San Diego.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Yeah, that's right, that's gonna happen. There's a lot there.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
We give you a grace period for Freddy and slips,
but then at some point.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
You know, yeah, coach Mark, what to the annual meetings
a few weeks ago? And I always think about you
in those situations because there are gonna be some rule changes,
and it feels like most of the rule changes are
coming out of the kicking game in some way, shape
or form. So the most recent one is the move
of the touchback from the thirty to the thirty five
it's five yards.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
What does it matter? I got a feeling that matters
a lot.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
What are your thoughts on how the kickoff continues to evolve?
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Yeah, so if I take it back to last offseason,
when the reason for the whole kick return and this
drastic overhaul of the kickoff kick return play a safety
at the forefront of that to get the speed in
the space and the collisions. And you know, to the
average fan listening, it's it is a violent play and
(13:20):
had been a violent play for a long time. So
I totally understand and respect that player safety first, and
that's why there was a driver forced to get that done. Also,
the play kind of started being touchback, touch back, touch back.
The initial proposal with this new hybrid kickoff was the
thirty five. I thought it was a little too punitive
and year call it trial sample size year one, So
(13:43):
it got tabled, moved it to the thirty What.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Did teams do kick touchbacks? Not us?
Speaker 4 (13:48):
But you know, do you know how many returns Damian
Pierce had?
Speaker 1 (13:52):
How many do you think I'm gonna say twelve? Yeah,
it was like eight or nine.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
Yeah, I mean we didn't get the ball, we didn't
get a chance to return the ball. So if you're
going against a good kick returner, I think Damien is.
But if we're playing against a premier returner, coaches said,
you know, just kick it out. Well, now, if you
put that thing to the thirty five, it's a you're
at a forty percent scoring opportunity rate. Two first downs,
you got a shot at a field goal, not saying
it's a make or miss, but like, think about that
(14:19):
scoring probably going up a little bit more. I personally
believe you're going to get more kickoffs. So it's at
thirty three percent a year ago, thirties, I think that
thing is gonna jump closer to the seventies. You're gonna
get touch back still, but not at the clip that
it was. And then you got to find ways to
do it more often in game, both in coverage and return.
(14:40):
You got to do it successfully in both and that
is going to be a large swing and field position.
So then last detail on it, I know I'm getting wordy.
What's the average starting line of scrimmage after a kickoff?
Is like all thirty two teams are like first place.
The first ranked team is the thirty and one inch.
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The last ranked team is the twenty nine and one
inchot like, it's not a big deviation. I think now
you'll have that I think deviation. I think I think
if you concede the thirty five yard line and you
kick touchbacks, like you're gonna give up the thirty five
for free because the data said, the play said, put
the thing in play and go tackle the ball inside
of the thirty. We're gonna try to do that, you know,
(15:22):
within however it plays out weekly game, et cetera. But
you know, it's just I think you're gonna see a
little bit of a separation.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Oil and water there.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Wow, Well, we've come a long way because the instances
last year where occasionally you'd see a team start at
the twenty, it just looks so it looked like you
were at the goal line or something. And that's how
we used to play football all the time the time,
always at the twenty.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
Take it to the punting game, where the punt's gonna
happen midfield punts. Then you're gonna have more punts to
get dropped inside of the ten. Now they're more backed up,
so backed up offense might uptick all the things right
fringe area of the range. Are you going for it
on fourth downs? Are you kicking long fifty yard field goal?
Attend all these things that you got to start to evaluate.
(16:09):
See how it plays out. We'll see I'm getting ahead
of myself. You guys ask I get going, but.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
You got But it's the kicking game that gets most
of these you know rule changes. Yeah, there's there was
a there was a proposal for you know, defensive pat
not DEFENSI passor if he's holding and contact may be sure,
but it feels like everything is impacting the kicking game.
So I'll ask this combining the two things we talked about,
scouting and these new rules, when you stare and think, hey,
(16:36):
there may be more returns. We need more guys that
can go down and cover and make tackles. We might
need Damian, we might need more guys that can catch
a kickoff and do something with it. Does that impact
some of the way that you go about the scouting
and looking at it.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Absolutely, And I don't necessarily know if it looks you know, players,
you look at them differently. I just think it's about
more team construction. Right, You're not going to be healthy
across the board for seven teen weeks. You're gonna have
to put the ball in play. There's gonna injuries may
with the more plays that happened. But now you know,
you take it to the element of football. It's like
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on the grass field position, you know, So how's the
game being played? You know, you want to control and
dominate field position, and then offensively you want to shorten
the field. So do can we return the ball? Do
you have a return game that's adequate, or do you
have a return game that's not dominant? So all those
things are going to really start to impact more. And
(17:30):
it's about the field position, and it's about how you're
controlling the game. And you know you might have a
way better team than us. But if we got a
short field all Sunday afternoon and you got a long field,
and it's like that for the defense in our offense
is short or long, like you would give that team
the advantage of the NFL is too competitive, too competitive
for that to happen.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
So all right, I got one more for you. Sure
soon enough you'll have rookies in for rookie camp. I
got to thank your speech to them, your tutelage, whatever
takes place during that three day period. However, long it
is is so important because hey, this is your real
ticket to the NFL, baby, And you might not have
done this stuff in college, but you need to do
it here.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
You need to know and there's an entry level job.
Come to the fourth down. Come to fourth down. Yeah,
you guys know. And I always kind of dangle the
care like player participation money, like you how many more
players are on kickoff People were clamoring to get on
field goal block team?
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Those are Oh, yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
It's a lot of reps for the seasons, you know,
but no, it's uh thought about it.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
How do you how do you learn speed of the NFL?
Speaker 4 (18:35):
How do you learn physicality playing against different types of
players us as coaches? Yeah, that guy has spatial instincts.
You gotta go play in a kicking game. Like For
as long as I'll be in this profession, I'm blessed
to be a special teams coach. But like this is
I am a true believer. I believe that that not
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only is a good healthy way to cut your heath,
I think he's an unbelievable developmental skill set for the
rest of your roster. The best way is a bunch
of veterans that are playing really good. You got a
rookie linebacker at that position. As you move out, you
move up. If you could do that on repeat, I
think thirty two teams would sign up for that system.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Along those lines, and this would be last one from me.
How important is it for.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Your veterans, guys that have got a little seasoning to
be part of those crews, to be able to say, yay,
I'll go block a few well like did he go out?
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Who does last year?
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Hey, I'll get on punting. How important is it for
them to sort of emulate that to be hey, we'll
go do that if you need us to. And for
the young guys looking go, hey, man, I'm not too
big for my bridges. If Deniko's on it, then man,
I need to be on it.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
Yeah, but that's a culture thing you're you're speaking to
right there. I mean, the longer you're in it, the
better you become at it.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Right.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
So, if dariogum Wale is one of the better running backs,
if not the like I think the world of dar
a Yeah, a kicking game staple.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Here for how many seasons now?
Speaker 5 (19:59):
Right?
Speaker 4 (20:00):
Not trying to get off the punt team. How many
kickoff tackles. Is he not knifeing tackles?
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Has he made? You know, I don't know many people.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
You know, I can't speak for everybody, but I don't
know many people that would say that it would wag.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Their nose at that.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
I think he's done an outstanding job and to me,
like a guy that takes pride whatever.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Jake Hansen. Now at this point, you know, m J.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Stewart, Treymond, he's you know, has had a wildly sex
wildly successful career doing fourth down and I don't it
might not be the superstar living that every college freshman
is staring at right now, but when you get here, like, yeah,
it's a pretty darn good way to go as well.
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And I think, you know, for your team, more veteran
replacement you have on the kicking game roles, the.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Better you have a chance to be for sure outstanding coach.
Congrats once again on the John Carroll Hall of Fame.
Thanks you, and best of luck with the rest of
the off season.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Thanks guys. Good to see you, guys. Let's have a
good draft weekend. Let's do it.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Okay, See, we just scratch the surface. I mean that's
all we did. We just scratched the surface with Frank Ross.
He was absolutely awesome, all right, also awesome in the
Lab podcast, almost more awesomer than that is in the
Lab Final the Ultimate Mock Draft Simulator coming up next
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right here in Texas all Access. All right, we gotta
jump right back in in the Lab with myself, John
Harris and Drew Doherty.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
We do our.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Final, the Ultimate in the Lab Mock Draft Simulator, and
hopefully the draft goes just like this, and here we go,
let's start it. Cameron Ward goes number one to the
Tennessee Titans. No big surprise, Hey, okay.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
Fly off the board and trades come up. I see
one from the Bengals wonning twenty five and two forty
one for forty nine eighty one and a two next year.
I think that's a little too little, and then kind
of one from the Chargers that I think is a
little too little. It's a lot, but I just can't
do that. And I don't want Royal Canadian whiskey. I'm
sorry about that. Folks, got the the ad got me there,
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but I want to take the pick. And we see
Derek Carmon there, and Derek Carmon, I think it's going
to be a really good pro.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
But he's gonna be a productive guy. He's enticing.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
But the name right below him, John Tyler Booker is
by all accounts, the best guard in the draft. Maybe
maybe the best lineman. You could make that argument, probably not,
but he's there. He went to Alabama. Will Anderson has
gushed about him. Many others have gushed about him. You've
told the story many times how the folks at Alabama
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rave about his leadership and then on top of it,
he's a fantastic player.
Speaker 6 (22:40):
Is this the pick? Is it too too much of
a no brainer? Because a Buka's there a great zab.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Those five picks, those five players that we see Harmon
eighteen for them, Booker twenty four, Nolan twenty six, Zabel
twenty seven, Meco Bukat twenty nine. Any of those five
I would feel even Walter Nolan, and I know he's
had some you know, there are always some you know,
anger issues, whatever you want to call him, you frustration, fine,
and Danny, you wipe your hands and say, that's a
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cool pick.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
I'm fine with it.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
I'd be okay with that because I think they would
surround him in the locker room and really make the
most of that. But you know what I've said, Booker,
no matter what's Booker Golden, no matter what for me.
So Booker is there, I think this is I'm so
glad to see him there. Let's snatch him up at
twenty five. Now, a couple of gen xers, you and me.
It's not Booker, It's not Richard Griico Booker. It's Tyler Booker.
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Booker T not Booker T. We love Booker T Okay.
Now we're on a fifty eight and second round.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
Cowboys want to trade, get bent, cowboys, we're not giving
up that for now.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Boys offering seventy six and a third.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
Asking for this pick here is this is Enticing from Cleveland.
You're they're offering you to move back just a bit.
So you move into the third, but it's the top
of the third. And then you add an at pick
ninety four for pick one sixty six, another late third.
I'm in tree by that. But look, let's look who's
on the board. John Yeah, this name Kenneth Grant. Yeah,
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Enticing at fifty eight, the thirty nine right below Traveon Henderson.
That's my draft crush, I mean yeah, and I even
texted you during games this year.
Speaker 6 (24:13):
Yeah, man, I like that. Travion Henderson.
Speaker 5 (24:16):
Then there's some other names down there, Mason Taylor, a
pretty good tight end, t J. Sanders, defensive tackle. I'm
gonna defer to you on this one. It's for me.
It's it's between Kenneth Grant Travion Henderson, and I make
Henderson the call, but I will defer to you.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
You got to you gotta make this call now.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
I have Kenneth Grant rated higher than I do Traveon Henderson,
and I do think Kenneth Grant would definitely help.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Now.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
I feel like Henderson's a home run hitter. You don't
have offensively love home run you know how. We kind
of had to slog through offensively last year, especially after
Steph went down.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
It was a slog It was just it was hard.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
We didn't have any really home run hitters, seemingly, as
you know, Joe's a home run hitter. But Joe has
to be the F one fifty. You know, you can't
just go bring the Maserati out for you know, a
little day drive when you need it.
Speaker 6 (25:07):
The F one fifty does not do one any five.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
But Joe's got game breaking ability. There's no question.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
I don't want to overlook that, but I just feel like, man,
we need we need some big plays.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Henderson's a guy that can create it.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Drew, I'm actually going to defer to you on this
one because I think Travion Henderson would be as much
as I think Trenches a lot. I think Henderson being
there at fifty eight I would want to jump all
over this.
Speaker 6 (25:29):
Kenneth Grant love you.
Speaker 5 (25:31):
I hope you go to an NFC team and don't
haunt our games for the next decade or so.
Speaker 6 (25:35):
But let's go with Oh you know.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Where Kenith Grant's going. Look at this. Look at the
pick right after ours fifty nine Ravens. Yeah, watch you
watch this good and pick Henderson. See what happens. No,
he didn't go, but he went a couple of picks
before that, a couple picks after that, so not too surprising.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
But I could see the Ravens jumping over Kenneth Grant.
Speaker 6 (25:52):
We don't want to move back twenty in at of foe.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Now it's seventy nine. No, we don't want to do that.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
We don't want to do this one either, fifteen, So
let's make a pick. Jackson Dart's still there. I bet
he goes before this, you know, I don't think he goes. Yeah,
I don't think he gets its kind of a put
a an astress by this.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
Okay, Mason Taylor, you like him tight.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
End lsu Yeah, I mean I've comped him to Dalton Schultz,
and I think Mason's I think Mason's probably a little
bit of a better blocker at this point, maybe then
the Dalton was. But I don't know if that's a
little redundant tight end wise, I don't know. I mean, look, Tyler,
Terrence Ferguson's he's down there. Terrence Ferguson from Oregon is
still on the board. I really like watching them at
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the Senior Bowl. In fact, I've got those two graded
about this about the same. I mean, I don't think
there's as much gap between Mason Taylor and Terrence Ferguson.
Harrold Fanna Junior is an interesting one, but I think
you kind of have Harrold Fanner Junior in Brevin Jordan.
And I know Brev's coming back off of the knee injury,
but I think Fannon would fit for a number of teams,
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and if the text ended up taking him.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
I could see them using him.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
He's kind of an interesting dude, kind of a tight end,
h back move guy. I don't even think it's his
tight end. He's not really a wide tight end. I
mean he's kind of a full back move guy, which
is kind of what Brev's done. It's kind of what
Kate Stover did last year. But picked seven or the
seventy two right there on their board.
Speaker 5 (27:13):
That's the one Jared Wilsons, So I mentioned earlier, I've
got a crush on Trevion Henderson. This one, Jared Wilson
I liked, Yeah, and then I heard you say, well,
he's probably the best.
Speaker 6 (27:26):
Center in this draft.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Yeah, he's the best center in this draft. I mean
I think he's a pure center.
Speaker 6 (27:29):
Now does he come in and start as a center?
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Now that's a great point.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
I think there's gonna be one hell of a competition,
and I think some of it has to do with
you know, we got Booker.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Booker's a guard, so he's gonna play guard.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
So does Booker's presence push Titus back out to tackle?
I don't think it does. I think a guard combo
of Titus and Booker would be really really fun. So
then at that point you've gotten now a competition of
Jared Patterson, Jew Scruggs, who's the second rounder a few
years ago.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Drafted both of them in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
And then if you were to draft Wilson, which what
the point to me is, if I take a third
round pick in Wilson but it guarantees me that one
of the three becomes a quality center for this team,
then I'm all for it.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
And whether it be Wilson or Juice or Jared or whomever, you're.
Speaker 5 (28:17):
Out, you're raising the tides of rightes. Yeah, I want
to do this.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
I I really have been kind of high on Jared
Wilson after watch.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
Single time I've had a draft where he's available around here,
I've taken him. Okay, And there's been o those things
that have been to Alfred keep going trenches.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Let's go.
Speaker 5 (28:33):
Alfred Collins is the only one that kind of makes
me pause here, But I'm I'm going for you're telling
me he's a stas center or he's going to yield
at starting center, Let's do it.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Here's the thing too, with with the centers or the
interior off of the lineman I just don't find the
depth there. So get the depth there, go and get
the get the highest rated guy you can get there.
Interior defensive lineman nine, ten eleven is still pretty am good. Yeah,
so I think you can get a defensive lineman. I
think there will. It'll be guys on the board ten
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picks later that we can look at and be very
happy with and maybe off for Collins is still on
the board. Maybe maybe not. I can't see whether he
came off the board or not. But I think Alfred
Collins would be a guy. I could look at seventy
nine oclok at eighty nine, that would be a guy.
But I think interior defensive line, there's just so many
of them in this draft. That's such a good class
that I would take Wilson there and then look maybe
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an interior defensive line at this pic.
Speaker 5 (29:23):
Okay, this has been an unrealistic draft so far because
for the Texans, because we have many trades we have
not But here's a scenario in which I would make
this trade. Okay, let's take a look to hear what
you say. I mean, how do you not do this?
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Yes, Okay, we're sitting at eighty nine, moved back three
to get yeah two yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, I mean
almost thirty three.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
I like that.
Speaker 6 (29:46):
Go to one thirty seven with the Seahawks.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Let's do it.
Speaker 5 (29:48):
Like names on the board now, listen that this does
give me. I like Jayden Higgins, He's in. Do you
like al?
Speaker 1 (29:55):
I like Higgins a lot more than I like I
am an Ore.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
OK.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
I like Ferguson. That's left on the board.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
If you move back three, one of those guys is
a still probably gonna be there.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
I think that's true.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
And then you also get that, so you're giving up
three spots here for twenty nine spots later.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
I kind of like it.
Speaker 6 (30:10):
Let's do it, accept make the trade, all right? Ersery
is still.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
There, imn are still there. Ferguson from Ferguson's very interesting.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
I love his build, I love his athleticism, very light
on his feet, good hands. I think he can be
a decent blocker. I don't think he's a great blocker now,
but I think he can be even better. I mean,
Terrence Ferguson Kate Stover would be kind of fun. Schultzen
Schultzen Ferguson. I mean, I think you could have uh
and do some good things with Terrence ferguson here.
Speaker 5 (30:38):
But is there a red light blinking over Erstrie because
he's like the fifty six bet. I mean, do you
I know we've gone O line heavy so far, but dude,
there is you take that best player available and just
do it.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
I mean best player available. I'll probably do it. I mean,
he's a right tackle. If he's a tackle, big strong,
I mean really strong, dude, kind of diff lagged.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
It's hard to fall in love with him earth.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
I mean, he's one of those guys that really kind
of grew on me in this process. I mean, and
I'm not gonna sit there and tell you that I
absolutely love him, but in ninety two, I think that
would be a really good fit. I think Ursery is
hard to look away from. But I think by the
time we pick again, I think Fergus gonna.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Be out of the board.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Now there are some tight ends in his group that
are are are nice, nice guys. I'm not saying nice guys.
I'm saying like nice picks like that. I would like it,
but I think it's hard to turn away from a
tackle like Ursery at this point a third round.
Speaker 5 (31:31):
So I think that's take kay let's do it. Hey,
what have we heard all off season?
Speaker 6 (31:35):
Long? Texan's gotta protect better?
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Yeah, I gotta protect better.
Speaker 5 (31:38):
In one way or another. That's going to help you
do that. Okay, we're picking one, three seven, that's from
that trade. We're moving, we're grooving. Jalen Reed is the
top prospect there, safety from Penn State. You see some
of these other names, Belton another tackle, We're not gonna
do that. Jamari Caldwell defensive tackle down there. You got
Jordan Phillips in the mix. What are you thinking here?
Speaker 2 (31:58):
All right, Drew, because I have I'm now fifty three,
so I've gotten older and so my brain doesn't work
as much.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
I'm trying to remember.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Can you click on our on my on my picks
on what we've done thus far? Yes, we kind of
up make to people. So we drafted Booker at twenty five.
We took Trevion Henderson, the running back at Ohio State
fifty eight. Good value there. Jered Wilson is center from Georgia.
We took the best center I have in the draft,
and ronte Urseri from Minnesota at number ninety two.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
So we've gone guard tackle, center.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
So we've really bolstered offensively and taking Traveon Henderson.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
A couple of names that I see there that I like.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
I mean, Oli Gordon is if we hadn't taken Travon Henderson,
I would think about Oli Gordon, Dylan Sampson. We've already
gotten kind of a better version than Traveon Henderson, but
a very similar model. If you will there, you know
one's a one's a Corolla, one's a Tursell.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
If you remember the Toyota. I don't know why I
used Toyota, but I guess Toyota because it says right
above it.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Anthony Belton is a guy I would think, but man,
we've already gotten three offensive linemen. I would take Belton,
convert him to a guard. Jamari Caldwell is really really interesting.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Yeah to me.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
He and Jordan Phillips provide some size what I've been
talking about all along, athletic size. I think Jamary Coldell
is like three twenty five, a little shorter and stouter,
but quick agile play University Houston, four winth Oregon.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
I felt like he tore dudes up at the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Jordan Phillips had a really good shrine bawl up in
Frisco up in Dallas, you could. I think you could
go either one of the defensive line. I'm gonna lead
Caldwell just because he went to you of h kooks.
All right, let's take go Cooks. Let's take him go Coops.
Come on, Jamark Caldwell. All right, all right, we don't.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Pick for a while now.
Speaker 5 (33:45):
Yeah, the name coming off the board long time. Yeah,
you don't pick again until two thirty six sections have
gone trenches and running back in this draft and.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Then trenches, trenches, trenches on both sides of the ball.
Speaker 6 (33:58):
All right, okay, this here we go.
Speaker 5 (34:00):
This name excuse me, uh, Peter Brady right there for
those of you who are old and used to watch
the Brady bunch. Yeah, voice was cracking. This name, Ingram Dawkins.
This is tantalizing to me because it sounds like he
can play a lot of things.
Speaker 6 (34:14):
But I want to hear your I.
Speaker 5 (34:15):
Mean, you and I have not talked about him, but
there's a lot of great names that intrigue me him.
I really like the Jalen Conyers. I want to hear
what you think about him. Yes, he's a tight end
and the Texans have not taken a tight end in
this draft. I also want to hear your thoughts on Hawes.
Tim Smith, defensive tackle out of Alabama has been taken
in some mocks. You see Antoine Wells. Yeah, he's a
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wide receiver out of Ole Miss. What are you thinking here? Okay,
do you like Ingram Dowalks.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
We'll talk about Ingram Dawkins, a little bit lighter interior player,
which I think the Texans have enough of now. So
he you know, good, motor plays, hard plays, heavy plays violent.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
I just I don't. I don't love the fit. Plus
we've already gotten called well, so I think we've done
enough on that d line. Zee Biggers would be a
guy look at because he's longer and really athletic for
a due that's three to ten ish. Kanyers is kind
of like a more tight end version of Taysom Hill.
He can play wildcat, he can play full back. I
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want to say he's got quarterback in his system. They
would use him at wildcat at Texas Tech. He's just
kind of a play creator, very very intriguing to me.
But let's flash down at two thirty four. The guy
I've been waiting for was hoping he was still on
the board. When everybody talks about tight end for this team,
you know they're talking about the top end guys in
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this draft, but I don't think it's really what the
Texans absolutely need. But the Texans need at tight end
is somebody that can swap paint with a six technique
that just goes to battle, is violent as a blocker's
I love the fact that Jackson Hawes is an Ivy leaguer,
graduated Yale, had one year of eligibility, transferred on Georgia Tech.
And it was his blocking and his physicality it kind
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of caught everybody's attention.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Now the Senior.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Bowl, he was very, very active catching the football. He
had good soft hands. I was really impressed. I was
probably more impressed with that and is blocking. But throughout
the season it's just blocking his physicality that get it
to me.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
This is Jackson Hawes all day.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
To get that kind of in line wide tight end
you're looking for kaboom.
Speaker 5 (36:13):
Five picks later is hard. That's two forty one, that's
your final pick.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Now, one thing we can do on this, Let's click
on the offensive tab, Drew. Let's just look at the
wide receivers that are there, and I think the wide
receivers that are there, and I'm gonna I'm gonna make
a case for one of them here that I really
hear the receivers that on the board. Antoine Juice Wells
from Old Miss. Playmaker had a great career at South
Carolina before he went to Old Miss. Probably better at
South Carolina and Old Miss not a flyer, but I
think it would be a good fit in this room.
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Then you got Ja Corey Brooks from Louisville. I would
be very happy with Bru McCoy. I've been following forever.
It's injuries issues, Coundray, Lambert Smith can fly. This might
be it would be a steal potentially to find him here.
But the guy that gets interesting to me is well
two guys Fton Chisholm from Eastern Washington.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Why makes you miss in a phone booth?
Speaker 2 (36:59):
He had one of the better three come times and
it shows on the field that dude will shake anybody.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
He's got amazing quickness.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Now he's not fast, he's like a four to seven forty,
but he's a slot receiver dujoure. The guy that might
provide more of that and more speed is Jimmy Horn
Junior from Colorado. Whenever I watched Colorado, he was the
guy that always impressed me. Obviously Travis Hunter always impressed us,
but Jimmy Horn Junior was the guy that he went Man,
he's running away from guys, he's making plays.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
I think Jimmy.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Horn Junior right here, that's the call, would be the
seventh or I would. I would really like to see
him with the Texans, So let's do that, all right.
He's a little bit more of a slot guy, but
he's got speed out of the slot.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
There are different kinds of slot.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Like Chisholm from Eastern Washington is more kind of the
true slot, kind of the whips and pivots and you know,
working the chaos and the short you know, five to
seven yard range.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Then there's kind of a Christian Kirk who.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Plays in the slot, but it's dangerous out of the
slot because he can run slot fades, he can run posts.
Speaker 6 (37:56):
I wrote an article, you wrote a really good article
about this.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
And he's text where he isolates the safety and beats
him one on one with speed.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
I think Jimmy Horn is kind of a mix of both.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
I think he can really work that chaos in the
shallow areas. But then he's got the speed to be
able to burn down the field. So I like getting
him in the seventh round.
Speaker 5 (38:13):
All right, look at that. The Texans made seven picks
and only one of them was on defense. That's wild.
I don't think you'll see that. But this is what
we had. Yeah, and these are the options in front
of us.
Speaker 6 (38:23):
You couldn't.
Speaker 5 (38:24):
I mean, you you walk away a winner, I think
after round one and then it's icing on cake. And
I've used this again, icing on icing with Jared Wilson,
and then from there you get some good I mean,
it's good players all around.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
I like this.
Speaker 6 (38:38):
I like this draft alone.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
No, Drew, you you and I kind of have, you know,
similar existences in a sense that you know, Texas fans
will take out their vitriol on us in sense whether
it's comments or they see you in the store, like, Drew,
what the you know, what the hell are they doing? Well,
what's the one thing we heard about all year long?
The offensive line? The offensive line? Well, you can't be
(39:01):
dismayed with what we just did with the offensive line
because we added potential starters at all three positions, you know, center,
guard and tackle.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
We got the guy.
Speaker 5 (39:10):
We've made the competition supremely fierce. It was already going
to be fierce.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Right and and that's I think exactly what you want
to be able to get the best five battle tested
dudes out of that room. You get a guy and
Booker that is thought to be in alpha. And I
remember when I wrote that about will Anderson Junior. I
remember thinking, Okay, I would love to see it in
Texas locker room. And not only has that been a
big factor in Texas locker room, he set the tone
(39:38):
for the way other people should think about the Texans
and any players coming in this building should think about
playing for the Texans. And so hopefully Booker is is
that kind of guy. But you know, we heard so
much about the offensive line. You can't sit there and go, well,
what are you doing? That's too much on the offensive
There's no such thing as too much on the offensive line.
And I give you this last year, it's about this
(40:02):
time that Phildelphi Eagles signed a tackle that had busted
with the Jets. Couldn't play too fat, too big, just
didn't get it done.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
And the Eagles had all these players already.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
They already had them on hand, and they when they
signed with Kai Becton, and it was like, what's really
bet'ing gonna do for them?
Speaker 1 (40:22):
It's not gonna play tackle. You're gonna put them a guard.
You don't really fit it guard.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
But Beckton wins the competition, ends up being the starter,
and ends up being one of the better guards in
the NFL.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Last year the Phildeffi Eagles.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Now I'm not saying that's all gonna work, but that
was a situation in which, well, is that overkill on
the offensive line. You didn't have to pay a lot
for him, but still, you know, you got all these
guys in the offensive line, you add another piece. No,
it panned out, so us drafting three different offensive linemen
on day one and day two, that's exactly what.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
That painting needed.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
That room needed to be painted, and it needs all
the paint possible to throw up on the canvas.
Speaker 5 (40:58):
Because what happens if DJ Stroud has that extra half
So that's right, what happens if not getting knocked around,
that's right, ten times a game. He's only get knocked
around four times a game. What happens? Yes, then with
the offense. The guys you have there who are your playmakers,
they're a little bit more explosive. That's right, because CJ
has time.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
That's exactly right.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
So all that about, you know, well, too much investment
in that trenches. To me, there's no such thing.
Speaker 5 (41:23):
Yeah, there's no such thing from what we saw as
too much investment that in January. Yes, he on average,
this was the magic number. I believe we've talked about this,
but the magic number, it seemed for the Texans last.
Speaker 6 (41:34):
Year was four four sacks.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 5 (41:37):
You got stacked four or more times. The Texans went
too and eight. Yep, it was less. It was kind
of like you reversed the number exactly, so you exactly
in last year for the first time in a long time,
maybe ever, I don't know, I need to look this up.
The Texans did not have a clean sheet, meaning they
did not have a single game.
Speaker 6 (41:57):
Where they allowed zero sacks.
Speaker 5 (41:59):
Yeah, I mean, they get they would go one sack
against the Titans, but that was a different kind of scenario.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
Yeah, it was in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
They had not a number of games, but they had
a handful where they gave up where they had clean
sheets where they did not give up a sack, and
if you went back and look, those are probably the
ones where they had the most offensive output.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
I remember one was Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
I remember that and that offense that day was pretty
damn good in that game against the Pittsburgh Steelers. And
that was playing Austin Deculus and Diron Christian at tackle
in that game. So gotta get trench help, and I
think you just got to get more and bring it
to the competition.
Speaker 5 (42:39):
That's what the Texans did in this mock draft simulation.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
There you have it. It's a good one. We got
better in the trenches for sure.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
Three.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
I I'd like to think rock stars. Any trench guys
we draft, they're gonna be rock stars. So it was
good U to put that down on Wax for all
to listen to. Thank y'all very very much throughout the
year for following the end of lab mock draft simulators
and all that.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
That was really fun to finish up with.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
You go to check out the YouTube video so you
kind of get a feel of what we were looking at.
You can definitely do that as well, so I'd encourage
you to do that. Okay, we are on draft eve
final bits of news. Is there anything, We'll hit some
of those things on the way out next on Texans
All Access. All right, here we go, last second of
the show right here on a Wednesday evening, Tomorrow night
(43:27):
at this time, Mark and I'll be finishing up Texans
All Access before we then take over and I go
into Draft mode at seven o'clock. Welle right here at
Sports Radio six'. Ten you watch ON. Tv that's, cool
but listen to. Us it'll Be Mark andre and myself
(43:48):
along With Robert hensley with the.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
Updates robert does a great.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
Job in, fact one of my Memories i'll have going
to my grave will Be Robert hensley leaning across the
desk with finger up AFTER. Cj strout is picked to
let us know The texans were indeed trading up to
go Get Will.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
Anderson so we'll have the. Show we will have this
show for you On thursday.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
Night we will also be at the draft party downtown
right There Discovery, green so come check us. Out looks
like any rain or any bad weather is gonna be
out of the, way so we should Be we should be.
Okay friday, Night it'll be me And mark along With
Robert hensley doing the updates On.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
Friday Then, Saturday.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
Sean pegragas AND i will do the morning and Then
mark will come in with me as we finish it.
Up we are efforting on that Day Nick, cassario BUT
i don't know if we'll get. Him hopefully we. Do
that would be, really really. Fun so we'll get player
interviews the guys that are. Drafted Drew dory's gonna do those,
interviews so you want to be. Listening those are gonna be.
Fun and OBVIOUSLY i know this draft inside. Out dre
(44:52):
has been calling college games, forever so he knows these
guys that are drafted in the first round On thursday.
NIGHT i always love doing that Draft withdre because he's
always got insight from production meetings and things that he
has the insight.
Speaker 1 (45:04):
For he knows these.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
Quarterbacks and obviously we got A state Of texas quarterback
going number one, overall more than likely that being Cam.
Ward so it's going to, tights so we'll see him
where they won't be wearing the Old oilers, jerseys so
that'll be kind of, fun all, right as we go
around THE. NFL i don't know that too much has been.
Happening there is a little bit of like rumor. STUFF
(45:26):
i think it's kind of. Fun the first rumor THAT
i saw this was, PROBABLY i think it Was George,
schultz probably around, lunchtime said that The steelers are entertaining
calls On George, pickens AND i, thought, now my guy
tells me that we are nowhere near. That George pickens is,
(45:47):
mercurial he is hot, headed he is incredibly. Talented BUT
i don't think we would be on in a. Mix but,
look it's a, draft it's THE. Nfl i've said this numerous,
times especially in the last seven eight, years and especially
After DeAndre hopkins was. Traded i'm not surprised by anything
that happens anymore in THE.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
Nfl so could The texas be making a move On George.
PICKENS i don't think, so and it wouldn't BE i
don't think it'd be the right. Move that's just.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
Me but he apparently is on the, Board so that
is one to keep in. Mind Dallas Goddard philtoph The
eagles another one that is on the board for a potential. Trade, now,
AGAIN i don't think The texas would be in that.
MARKET i don't think one thing that caught my eye
THAT i thought was, LIKE i literally like stumbled all over.
(46:39):
MYSELF pff did a seven round mock, draft AND i
was curious as TO i always look at the mock,
draft especially seven, rounders to go beyond the first round
and see what they. DO i felt, like, ay it
was one of the worst Ones i'd. Seen they had
The texas Taking Josh simmons at, tackle AND i think
it's pretty clear That texas are not Taking Josh simmons a.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
Tackle there's there's too much going on.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
There they Had Pooh Paul Chris Pooh paul From, ole
Miss his nickname Is. Pooh, yes they had him as
a draft. PICK i just don't think we're gonna take
a linebacker until day. THREE i just think there are other,
needs but especially the way the linebacker position has been
bolstered WITH.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
Ej speed, signing et.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
Cetera then they had Taken Queen ewers in the seventh
round at two forty, one AND i just finished my
draft needs and you go check it out football taker dot.
Com this one's free on The Houston. TEXANS i just
have them not even looking at a. Quarterback but it
picked seventy nine that The texans trading For Tyreek, hill
AND i kind of doghead turned, like, ah, man there's
(47:42):
no way, there no, way, right no, Way you never.
Speaker 1 (47:47):
Know if we are now on to.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
Draft we can appreciate you guys for. Listening we will
see you tomorrow From GEORGE. R brown as his team
attempts to get better with their first round. Pick we'll see, that,
everybody and as, always Go texans
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