April 18, 2025 • 47 mins
The final weekend before the NFL Draft is upon us, and the Texans Radio Crew has the latest on the team's plans, and also looked back at what might have been in 2011.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Happy Friday.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Everybody, Welcome into a Friday edition of Texans All Access
six days away. If my math is correct, from the
NFL Draft, John Harrison, Mark Vandermir with you this.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Evening and the voice of the Texans. How you feel
in six days away? I'm feeling good, Johnny? All right?
So is this a hot take or not?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
So it's not to rate a hot take, it's to
tell me if it is a hot take. I'm actually
more excited about Friday night than i am about Thursday night.
I'm excited about the draft party and all that heat
and energy that the party creates, no question, But as
far as the actual Texans pick, I'm way more excited
about Friday night because there are three selections on the
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board right now for Friday night, and I think that's
where the sizzle is. That's where all right, receiver time,
because I guess I shouldn't assume anything, but I'm thinking
O line in the first round, and I think receiver
comes on Friday Night. Maybe another sexy position or two.
Not that UO linemen are not sexy. You're much needed.
We need you, guys. But you know what I'm saying,
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is that a hot taker or not?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
No, you know what, I'm worried that you are somewhere
living in my size seven and three quarters head right now,
because I'm like I Mark, I swear to god. I
said the same thing to my son on Friday morning
before I took off.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
We were kind of talking about it.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
I was like, you know the next three you know,
the three day Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and he was kind
of asking me about it, and I was like, you know,
Friday is my favorite day.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Friday is the.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Day that I love because, like you said, you have
three picks, So I love Friday. We're in studio, we're
we just focus in, you know, we're at the draft party.
It's great, but there are a lot of distractions, especially
for me trying to you know, keep track everything that's
going on. So it gets to be distracting but awesome.
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But Friday night is we're in studio and we're locked
in and it's three picks. And I literally said those
same exact words to my son. I like Friday more
like Thursday.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
For me.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
That's not even a hot take, that's just that's just
what it is.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Now.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Now, I will say there was a Thursday night that
was I would go back and relive that Thursday night
before I would relive any other Thursday night in the
NFL Draft, And there's something.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
That I actually saw.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
The thirty third team put out a graphic and it
really got me thinking because sitting at the third pick
where the Arizona Cardinals back in twenty twenty three, all
of two years ago, and there had been a little,
a small bit of noise about a Texan's trade up
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because d Andrew Jeremiah had put it in his mock
draft that the Texans would at number two pick Will
Anderson and then at number three trade back up and
gets CJ.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Stroud.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
And I remember that distinctly because my thought was, I
could see that happening, but I wouldn't draft them in
that order because you got to draft CJ first, because
any teams that would want a quarterback would then get
in the mix with you with the Cardinals and try
and make a deal, and then they would amp up
what you'd have to give them. So if you cut
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them off at the knees and say, hey, we'll take CJ. Shroud,
then you don't have to pay as much to theirs
on the Cardinals to move up from twelve to three
to potentially take will Anderson Junior, and then it happened.
So I want to go back and look at this mark,
and I know that we're biased, we're on the Texans side,
but that trade was trading the Texans number twelve overall
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pick number thirty three. Remember they had the second pick,
I'm sorry, the first pick of the second round. They
also had twenty twenty four's number twenty seven pick, and
then a twenty twenty four third round pick. The Texans
then moved up to three. But one thing that nobody
really remembers is they also got a four round pick
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from the Cardinals in that deal.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Who did that pick turn into Kaylan Bullock.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Now they didn't move around, they end up taking a third,
but they moved up from the fourth to the third
to be.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Able to go get Bullock.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
So this trade turns out to be Will Anderson Junior
and Kayln Bullock on the Texans side for Paris Johnson Junior,
Garrett Williams and a few other pieces on the Cardinals side.
When you think back to that trade at the time,
I know a lot of people were like, that's crazy,
But what do you think back at the time, what
do you remember thinking it back at the time versus
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what you think now now that the whole trade is
completed and we can look at.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
It in hindsight.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Well, if it works out well for the Cardinals, I
don't consider that, and I know you feel the same way.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
I don't consider that a bad thing.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
If they made a good deal for themselves, that can
really accelerate the growth of their franchise.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Great.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
The point is, though, you got to make sure it
works for the Texans first.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
I mean, that's clear.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
You know we talk about trade so often and oh,
we slayed that team in that trade, Watson, we slayed
this team in that trade.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Whatever the case is, right, but if it works out.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
For both teams, that's even better because that means more
teams are willing to do business. And you know, I
kind of like in a Nick Cassario phone call in
a trade situation to Darryl Moury back in the day.
Wait a minute, if I'm making a trade with Darryl,
is this a good thing for me? You know, you
wonder about that, not that he's trying to hist you
or anything, but that he might be getting the better
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end of that deal. And with Nick, I would wonder
the same thing if I'm doing business with him. However,
if it works out for the Cardinals, great, But with
Will Anderson Junior, Johnny, We've said this before. That was
a brave, bold attempt to say we want to win
sooner rather than later. Yes, we know that this is
a big project. Every NFL team is, but we're drafting
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a quarterback. We have a new head coach, and you
know what, let's get a cornerstone on offense and on
defense right now tonight, this first round, and we're gonna
move up to take Will because we love Will. Obviously,
the coaches loved Will and they still do. And you
needed the quarterback and they loved him, so let's get
them both. And if it cost us something big, why not.
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But your point is great about that fourth rounder eventually
turning into killing Bullock. And it's a lot like the
Nick Cassio in this way Nick Casserio trade with Cleveland
with Watson, because tracing where some of those picks went,
it's kind of like a wild goose chase. You know,
you have to have tentacles they they have. You traded
this for that, and it's scripture. This trade this pick,
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we get that pick, We get that pick and it
becomes crazy, but it's all good because he's got track
of it. Can you imagine his Excel spreadsheets?
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
I think it worked out great for the Texans obviously,
and for the Cardinals it's working out pretty well so far. However,
this one big thing. The Texans are winning and the
Cardinals are not. Yet we'll see yeah in the car
a getting close now.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
The Cardinals ended up getting back the opportunity to say
they moved down to twelve, but then they moved back
up to six. So they gave up a little bit
to move back up six spots to get Paris Johnson Junior,
the guy that they had wanted all along. And at
the time, the national scribes were, well, wait a second,
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the Cardinals just got, you know, the pick from the
Texans this year, and the pick from the Texans next
year is.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Gonna be number two or number three overall.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
And if the Cardinals, I would imagine that in their
draft room and as they considered this trade, they probably thought, look,
if we get a future pick from the Texans, it's
gonna end up being a top five in a draft.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Look at them right now, they're not very good.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
We're gonna get a top five pick in a draft,
and we have our quarterback. So we could take that
top five pick and then trade it to a team
that wants to move up to go get another quarterback,
and this trade will just be the one that continues
on giving. But then the Texans to that great year
in twenty twenty three. They end up drafting at number
twenty seven overall in twenty twenty four. But as I
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looked at the comments, I thought it was interesting because
you saw a number of Cardinals fans going, ah, they
got will Anderson junior, great, and they got some safety,
like some safety like that dude led rookies' interceptions last year.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Were you talking about some safety? Yeah. In numbers, they
only got two players.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
I think the keep of the Cardinals of this is
they got a left tackle who is extremely athletic and
a very good player.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
But Gary Williams is a really good pick.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
They took number thirty three, and they they moved it
and they ended up getting two players out of at
bj Olsjali, who really hasn't turned in anything as a
edge rusher, but Gary Williams is one of the better
nickels in the league. So they end up with the
left tackle and probably the guys gonna be a left
tackle for a dozen years.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
They got a nickel.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Who is their version of Jalen Peatree in a sense,
and then they've got kind of a boomer Bus prospect
in Darius Robinson in twenty twenty four. If Robinson turns
out to be a player, man, that is a great
draft for the Cardinal. But this will always be a
draft that's referred to, a trade that's referred to in
Houston as you know, the one.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
The trade.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
I mean, it's you know, there have been so many
of them, you know, trading Laromy Tunssel, trading stuff on Diggs,
trade DeAndre Hopkins. But this is the one where I
think fans are gonna go, yeah, that, yes, drafting CJ,
bringing in to Miko, obviously Nick being here already, all
those key components and the number of them were here.
But this is the one that sort of put them
over the top because of what will brings both on
the field and off the field. But I think what's
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fascinating about this mark is there are times when a
trade is made regardless of what side we're on, and
you instantly think, okay, how do I feel about this
trade right now? And I know full well that you've
got to let it play out, But how do I
feel about this trade right now versus when it's all
completed you can look back and go I feel the
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exact same way like I would.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
I was happy, very happy with the deal at the time.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
I'm very happy with the deal right now, and I'm
sitting in Arizona. I'm feeling the same way, like, hey,
this trade worked for us too. So the other thing too,
is you had two former Patriots guys that are making
this deal with Monty Austin fort on the Cardinal side
and Nick on the Texas side, So they had a
pretty good understanding of value from each perspective. But they
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also spoke the same language as well, so I'm sure
that probably facilitated the deal, which leads me to Thursday night.
There was no trade up for a quarterback. It was
a trade up for will Anderson Junior, and it was
one that rocked everybody, like, WHOA, what's going on?
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Do you think Thursday night?
Speaker 2 (10:37):
There is the potential of one of those deals taking
place where somebody moves up into the top five. Maybe
that we're not expecting Now, the Texans did have multiple
first round picks, which is something no team has in
this draft. Every team has got its pick. But could
you see, given how that deal worked out for both sides,
there might be two teams willing to deal in kind
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of the same way where they, in an essence, feel
like they both can win.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Do you think that could happen Thursday night?
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Well, I don't know how the Texans felt Stroud would
do in his rookie season. There's no way, I mean,
in their wildest dreams did they think he was gonna
do what he did have the greatest rookie season in history,
arguably for a quarterback. And they knew that the Will
Anderson junior deal or acquisition in that draft would definitely
accelerate the franchise's win rate. But to that degree, I'm
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not sure. But how that affects teams? Now? Do you
think if you're one of these teams that just hasn't
won in a while and you have a very high
draft choice, are you thinking let's get another one, Let's
get two players in here? But Johnny, are there two
players in this draft like this? I would think it's
more the opposite. It's more Okay, cam Moored goes number one,
and then you have Abdul Carter and or Travis Hunter
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the next two to three four picks. I mean, obviously
it's the next two probably unless there's a quarterback surprise
that we're not thinking about right here. With Cleveland, who
did say some very nice things about Jalen Milroe, didn't
Was it Barry who said Milroe runs faster than Lamar Jackson?
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (12:08):
I noticed that quote, and I thought, but I, buddy,
if you think you're gonna get him in the second round,
I would not wait they Let's say they take let's
say Hunter goes to the I mean, I don't know
whatever order you want to declare here, but Hunter or
Carter goes to Cleveland. Now they're thinking, we want to
move up and get let's say it's Milroe. You don't
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have to move up to seven or something to get Milroe,
but maybe fifteen to twenty, just to make sure you
get them, because somebody else might want to get in
on the Millroe sweepstakes or whatever insert hot quarterback here
who's climbing up the charts, at least in our minds.
So I would think that that would be a candidate
to move up and take a quarterback, whether it's Dart
or Milrow, rather.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Than I gotta go get Carter.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Let's say let's say the Tennessee Titans they take Ward,
Now I want to go up and get Carter. They're
not gonna be able to do that because Carter and
Hunter are the next two picks at all likelihood.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Right, Yeah, absolutely, I mean I agree with you. You know,
it's funny.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
I was I was thinking about, you know what, in
various drafts that we have done together, you, me and Dre.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Have their been moments like there's to me.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
For the Texans especially, there was that moment of getting
Stroud in the trading for a Will, all that happening
in that twenty five minute span, like I'll never forget that.
But there was the Jordan Love heear when the Packers
took Jordan Love, and that was a big surprise.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
You know.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
I was working on my team needs today and I
got to the Atlanta Falcons and I realized.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
The Atlanta Falcons are sly like a fox.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
It hit me like a ton of bricks, Like the
Falcons did it right. They got Michael Pennix Junior in
this draft and if Michael Pennock Junior were in this
twenty twenty five draft, Michael Penix Junior would be going
number one, or if he weren't going number one, he'd
go number two. It'd be Ward Penis or Penix Ward
and the Falcons got Penis and they've got their future,
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and yeah, they don't have a ton of picks.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
So I would imagine the Falcons of my trade down fifteen.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
But that was the move last year where everybody kind
of looked around and went, Okay, this isn't quite trading
up for Will Anderson like the Texas did and shaking
kind of the NFL. But everybody was like, what did
the Falcons just do? And now you look at the
quarterbacks in this draft and you go, hey, wait a second.
The Falcons were sly like a fox here. They did
the right thing. They struck before getting a guy that
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was probably gonna be one of the top two picks,
you know, had he been around the following year. So
that was the move last year. I think that kind
of rocked everyone. But I saw that graphic from the
thirty third team and that just made me think back
about that that particular trade. And I know because the
Texans had Ammo because they had you know, Stroud and
the whole straw already, you know, trying to make that
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move back up to get two of them.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
And I've thought about that.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
I've thought about, man, could they get up and get
two guys?
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Now I look at it differently.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
I think could they take a pick at twenty five
and then move up in the second round and take
another guy at that particular moment.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
But we'll see it's gonna be, there's no question about that. Now.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
A draft that you and I remember, mark is twenty
eleven and in that draft, the Texans drafted one justin
James Watt. Will he remain the pick in the in
the lab redraft? We do that next of Texans All Access. Tevin, everybody,
welcome back to this show. A Friday edition for you,
A good Friday edition for you. It's always a good Friday.
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It's always a happy Friday. It's always a football Friday
right here when I am running things and I'm John Harris,
football analyst, sideline reporter for your Houston Texas. Now, as promised,
ju Doory and I like to well, we get kind
of funky sometimes within the lab.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
We like yea Geeky and dor Key.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
One of the things we'd like to do is go
back into a redraft of various drafts on one of
the best drafts in Texas history is the draft from
twenty eleven.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
That draft is it's an all timer.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
It is an all timer because the time seven eight
picks in that draft, they're probably all I mean, I
don't know if cam is gonna go to the Hall
of Fame, but Man von Miller's going to the Hall
of Fame. AJ Green probably will, Judio Jones probably will
uh and then the guy at number eleven where the
Texas were picking eleven and eleven one Justin James Watt, Well,
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Drew and I sat down to redraft this. We're we
gonna change our pick at number eleven. Well, hell no,
we're not changing our pick.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
J J. Watt is thank But how did we go
about the following rounds? Up? Take a listen.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
But what I want to do. I want to get
into DeLorean. I want to go back in time. This
is a this is a sink your teeth in in
the lab, true in the lab experience because John and
I we get deep on some stuff and we get
weird on some stuff. So we're gonna get deep, and
we're gonna get weird, and we're gonna go back.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
In the weeds.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
And we've done this kind of before, but we're gonna
go it a little differently today. But we're going back
in time and we're redrafting for the Houston Texans the
twenty eleven NFL NO, the draft that yielded JJ Watt. Okay,
he was the headliner in that you're gonna go back,
and we'll go back and we'll talk about some of
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those picks before, but we're gonna repick.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
But John, let's set the stage. What was going on.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
The Texans are five and ten going into the final
week of the season.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
It had been a tough season.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
The year before they'd gone nine and seven, So twenty ten, hey,
Texans are going to the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
That's the expectation. Taking that step, you.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
Got this awesome offense.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
The defense had some struggles in nine early, but then
they kind of came around and made They made some
plays here and there wasn't a terrific defense, but it
was a defense that could do some things. You had
Brian Cushy Cushing Rookie of the Year, Demiko Ryan's fantastic linebacker.
Twenty ten starts, you get out to about a five
and two start, Demiko Ryans gets injured and has lost
for the year, and from that game on, not a
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good season for the defense, not a good season for
the Texans. But they're five and two heading into the
last week of the season with really not a whole
heck of a lot to play for. Jacksonville is the opponent,
they're in your building, they have a lot to play for.
They win that game, they're in the playoffs. And it
was a three pm kickoff. Do you remember that, John
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no rare three pm kickoff in week seventeen, because remember
we only games?
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Wow, So the Texans if they lose, they're probably picking
sixth seventh around there. They won, however, which pushed them
all the way back to pick eleven. I don't remember
a whole lot of gnashing of teeth, but there were
certainly people that were disappointed that they won and sacrificed
that great draft position. So what do they do? Well,
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we go to the draft. There's lots of talk about
who they might get. Von Miller was a really popular
choice going into the Going into the Senior Bowl week
and then von Miller. Everyone saw the tape and then
they saw what he did Senior Bowl. Von Miller was
not gonna go.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
It wouldn't getting the past two or three. Yeah, that
what happened.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
He was the second pick overall. So let's do a
little screen sharing here on on in the lab and
let's pull up the twenty eleven draft on Wikipedia, and
let's go down and see where the Texans are picking.
You see see see these names that have come off
the board, and now the Texans at eleven. I think
we we know we're gonna go with JJ Watt again.
Speaker 5 (19:27):
You cool with that?
Speaker 4 (19:28):
The greatest player? Yeah, yeah, I'd be okay, franchise history.
So yeah, no brainer there, Texans gonna take JJ Watt.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
I think what's interesting there is, you know, thinking back,
like obviously, sitting here on April sixteen to twenty twenty five,
fourteen years after the fact, we can definitely say, oh
it's no brainer's no brainer, But not at the time,
at the time people draft party.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Obviously it's you know, this long held story.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
I wasn't there at the draft party because I was
doing I was doing a national draft show, and so
so I remember when.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
JJ was picked.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
I was excited because my parents were in ore, Wisconsin nights.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
I mean, I was one of Wisconsin. I got here
when I was eleven.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
So JJ and I follow the same path, different bank account,
but you get the point. And so when JJ was drafted,
I remember I was really excited. My parents and I
really wanted JJ here. But the big question was where
where was he going to play? Because JJ at Wisconsin
was playing outside as a four to three defensive end.
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Could he play I don't know, He's not go an
play outside linebacker in a three four, which at the time,
you gotta remember four three, three four they were. They
were a little bit more different. There was more variance
in those four three defensive ends. A lot of times
couldn't play in a three as a three four outside linebacker.
They a lot of times had to move inside and
play you know a four I which is inside the tackle,
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or play a five technique just outside the tackle, and
there would be a heavy end all that kind of stuff.
And so I remember during a break of our show,
I ran down and I joined our local draft show
and they asked me about what and I remember saying,
I love what. I love him as a player. I
just don't know how they're going to use him. I'm
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not sure about that, I said, but I'll be very clear.
I very much like JJ Watt being in Houston, and
JJ ends up being a guy that when he comes
for his his draft press conference the following day, when
he walks in, you just realize, damn. I remember Wade
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Phillips going, look this has his hands and his hands
were and I was like, Okay, we drafted this dude
for his hand and I knew full well why that
we didn't do that.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
But I think what he also, Wade also brought up
the three cone drill.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
The fastest right, and you've often you've often referred to
him as a jungle cats the jungle way that you know,
and I think we.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Missed all that.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
But what I think is interesting if you go back
you look at JJ when he got here in twenty eleven,
he kind of looked like a lighter defensive.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Tackle, like he just was kind of he's kind of thick.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
I don't know the right way of saying this because
I don't want it to sound mean, but he just
he looked like a defensive end. But then he just
started going gangbusters in the weight room, and then you
looked at him and go, okay, I could see him
as playing a four to three defenseman, and that's eventually
what he ended up doing. You know, the thought in
my mind of okay, how does he kind of fit?
You already have Mario Williams, you drafted Connor Barwin. Well,
how are you going to put this all this together?
Speaker 4 (22:34):
That was a minor news item was, hey, Mario Williams
is gonna play outside linebacker, right, And that had not
been discussed or talked about really publicly. But then the
Texans take JJ Watt and that comes out.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
You know, and so one of the things that I kept,
I mean, I want to say a reference, but I
know in my draft spiel after JJ was drafted, I
remember saying, you know, in two thousand and four, the
Texans drafted Travis Johnson, and Travis was not a four
to three defensive tackle which the Texans were running at
that time. Oh no, the Texas running three four. He's
a four to three defensive tackle, not a three to four.
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He's not a nose tackle, and he's not really a
three four defensive end.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
I don't know if this fit is right.
Speaker 5 (23:13):
So I remember Saavis will tell you that when he
picked there and over.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Exactly, and I told out the Travis and he was like, yeah,
you had it dead on, and so I was like,
I don't want that happening to JJ. But I know him,
having watched almost every Wisconsin game. I know this dude,
and I know his backstory. I know people in Houston
are going to really like him eventually, but it's gonna
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take a little while to kind of prove it.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
I like this pick eleven. But here's the other thing.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Well, Also, Wade Phillips was always he himself was always
very upfront about you know, people say that my defenses
have to have this type.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
Of nose tackle. Yeah, but that's not the case. I
had this guy.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
Yeah, I had this guy here, right. Sean Cody was worried.
He's like Sewan. When they hired Wade Phillips, Sean kind
of thought, I'm a goner.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
You know that's right?
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
You think you have three four no's, You think of Reader,
and you think of will Fork, and you know, you
don't think of a guy like Sean Cody. But that's
not the way that Wade ran at defense. But I
think the other thing to keep in mind, here is
when you look at as you put up that screen.
One through sixteen, every non quarterback went to at least
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a Pro Bowl except for one non quarterback, and that
was the guy a lot of people wanted at eleven.
That was Nick Fairley from out of Auburn. Fairly was
coming off a tremendous season.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
At Auburn.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
And I had the Lombardi Award breakfast that I did
and I did a little either or. I did an
interview with each of the guys, and I got to
Fairly and I was like, I was doing either or,
and I was like, okay, your professional home Dallas or Houston,
And he just had.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
This kind of look and you winked at me. He's like, oh,
you know.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
And so in my mind I was and I thought
that Fairly would have been a pretty good fit for
this particular defense. But I loved wat as a player,
and I loved him being from Wisconsin, and I thought
in the end, and in the end it ended up
being that way, and Fairly never got to that Pro
Bowl level. He ended up having some decent seasons. He
was not bad player, but he was not Jake Locker,
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Blaine Gabbert, et.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Cetera.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
So I feel like, when when revision is history, when
we look back, I feel like there were still some
questions about JJ because of how he was going to
fit in Wage's defense. And I think that goes to
you know, both Wade Phillips and Romeo Crenell that they
were quote unquote three four guys who were adaptable, though,
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but they were adaptable and they took this, you know,
this mouldible clay and helped turn him in. And JJ
has never shied away from saying that he was, like,
you know, Romeo Cornell and Wade Phillips, they they made
my career absolutely, and you know, letting letting JJ get
to a point where it was you play will adapt
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and the defense will be better for it.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
And and it really was.
Speaker 5 (25:56):
It sure was.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
So JJ Watt is to pick their one. No, nothing
crazy going on. So let's talk and look at what
happens in round two because this is where things get interesting.
So the Texans had a pick in the second round,
but during the draft they traded for another pick. The
first one they take is on Brooks Reed. Brooks Reed
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good player, but look at some of the guys available.
You have Pro Bowl tight end Kyle Rudolph who comes
off the board a little bit later, literally.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
The pick after him, pick after.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Brooks Reed, Rodney Hudson, nice guard, Florida State goes to
the Chiefs. Shane Vereen. He's in the building here now
with the Houston Texans running back. He used to be
a round and patriot. Yep, he was really good, did
a lot of good things. Oh, Randall Cobb down there
at the bottom, Brandon Harris is the Texans' second pick.
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They traded with New England, so they get the corner
from Miami. But look, look there at the very bottom
of the or very top of the third round. Justin
Houston is the name I'm circling now. Friends, if you
aren't familiar with Justin Houston, he wound up having a
pretty darn good career, getting a lot of sacks. Justin
Houston had a bit better career than Brooks Reed. So, John,
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what do you say, don't take Justin Houston there?
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Now, let's use that revision's history in a sense. Justin
Houston had a tremendous career. Justin Houston was an incredible prospect.
But he's there round three, pick number seventy. Because there
were a lot of concerns about Houston off the field
when he was coming out of college a ton and
I know how the Texans thought back in twenty eleven
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that they, I don't want to say they were allergic
to some of those.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
But you've heard Nick Casario say, we don't draft choir boys.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
And it wasn't as if the Texas were all, you know,
drafted choir boys, but they avoided guys that they felt
like had issues.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
And it was pretty well known in.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
The NFL about the issues that Justin Houston had off
the field. Now once he got to the NFL, all
of that disappeared. I mean he turned into and became
a model citizen, was always held in high regard, and
became one of the better pass rushers. So if your
bank on that happening in Houston, there's no question the
pick of Brooks reed. Although Brooks did had a few
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years of some good things, Justin Houston would have done
it opposite JJ Watt. Can you imagine if you would
have had Mario Williams, JJ Watt, Justin Houston and Connor
Barwin all healthy on a defense at twenty eleven, it
was already bulls on parade but my god, let.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Me ask you, din't you have had with Justin Houston.
Let's still little quiz here. How many sacks did JJ
Watt have in twenty fourteen, twenty fourteen years, twenty eight Yeah,
in twenty plus up in Kansas City, Justin Houston had
twenty two sacks? Can you imagine that? Exactly forty five sacks?
I'm fine, just dudes.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
And I think what ends up being interesting here is
now you start Okay, it's the butterfly effect, because if
you end up drafting Justin Houston more than likely in
twenty twelve, you don't draft Whitney Merciless.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
So there there are a number of ways to look
at it.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
But I think if you want to get better, even
faster than you did, I think Justin Houston would have
been the right pick there.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
Okay, Now, do you want to take another second round
or do you just want to rock in the third
and not make that trade with the with the Patriots,
Because if you don't make the trade with the Patriots,
you're picking seventy three overall.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
They wound up taking Stephen Ridley.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Right, you got Ryan Mallett waiting there, you got a
name that got familiar to Texans fans pretty quickly, Jirell
Casey a few picks after him. I want to take
a defensive tackle, and you want to just like strengthen
a strength that you that was kind of a weakness
the year before.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
I think that would have been I think that would
have been tough because you've already you've still got Mario
a com tracked, and I think, you know, the defense
is so bad.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
I think people would have been okay with it.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
You already went Watt Brooks reed, well now you're going
Wat justin Houston Durell Casey like, man, is that a
little bit.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Too much to put into the defensive line?
Speaker 2 (30:16):
I think even now I look at it and think,
even though as much as I love Casey, then might
have been a bit a bit much at that point.
But you know, just going back, you you know, Randall
Cobb would have been on the board if we'd stayed
at sixty. Would we have been better off drafting Randall
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Cobb at sixty instead of Brandon Harris and then going
on down to whatever our next pick would have been.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
I think that to me would end up being Okay,
let's bounce this out. Even though the offense.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
You know, nine going into ten, I'm sorry, ten going
into eleven and you're like, ohka, this.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Offense is pretty damn good man.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
We don't need a lot offensively, but Randal Cobb would
have given them something a little different on that offense
in twenty eleven that maybe they didn't have.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
But I think he's gone at that point though.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Right, Well, if we had stayed with the trade at sixty,
we could have got we could have gotten Randall Cobb.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Let's do it.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
Then let's go get Let's do that.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Let's trade and then go get Randall Cobb. How about that?
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Likely twenty eleven Randall Cobb not the twenty twenty Cob
that we got, but it.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
Likely takes us away from taking kJ Wright in the
third round. Would you like a kJ Wright at linebacker?
Speaker 2 (31:25):
I think in twenty eleven, I don't know that I
would have felt that. I think once Cushion went down
on it been like, yeah, yeah, we need you know, man,
Would i'd rather have had I think I would have
had if I would have ranked him all right, ironically,
I would have probably gone trade to get Cob, then
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kJ Wright, then Darrell Casey because I feel like we
really bolster a defensive line, Like, I don't know if
you can ever have enough on the defensive line. Okay,
but I feel like that's the way that I would
have gone.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
So I'm to go.
Speaker 5 (31:58):
But we're gonna stick with two. We're gonna go with
Randal cop.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Yeah, let's stick with two and go with Randal Cop. Right,
although you're killing me with this kJ right, I know,
think about it.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Dang. He was at the he was at the beginning
of the fourth round.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
He plays forever, Jude.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
I wonder how much. I can't remember how much we
gave up to move up to sixty.
Speaker 5 (32:19):
I'll show you.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Let me see. Oh, here it is.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
Yeah, we go.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
New England traded this selection to Houston for Houston's third,
which was seventy three overall and fifth round selections.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
And that was the years that Texts had about thirteen
fifth rounders. Yeah, Shiloh, you take TJ. Yates, you take
somebody else too. I think I would stick to that trade, Okay,
I think I would stick with that trade. So that
takes the Texans out of the third round. So we're
gonna go all the way down to the fourth and
look at what is going on. Oh, in the fourth
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Rashad Carmichael Corner from Virginia Tech.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Who did that not turn well?
Speaker 4 (33:01):
Okay, Julius Thomas made a Pro Bowl at tight end
with the Broncos. He was pretty good. Anthony Sherman Pro
Bowl fullback in the fifth round. Now you're into this
fifth round, and this is a this is where some
fascinating names come off the board. And that's the name
right there that's in yellow that I don't that doesn't
get past Houston, Richard Sherman.
Speaker 5 (33:21):
Why not, let's go your You'll.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
Get You'll get a lot of heat for at the
time taking uh Richard Sherman in the fourth round, But
try to just eliminate it and take him.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Yeah, I think that's the way to go.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Ironically, remember I talked about that trade with New England.
In staying with that trade with New England, we gave
up one thirty eight overall in the fifth round, right
that pick turned into Marcus Cannon tackle from TCU.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Wow. And so that's what the Patriots.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
The Patriots were able to The Patriots took Mallet, if
I remember right now, they took Ridley, Stephen Ridley and
Marcus and with two picks that we traded up to
go get Brandon Harris.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
That didn't work out.
Speaker 5 (34:05):
Didn't work out.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Oh, look, sometimes trades don't work. That was that was
one of them.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
Think about what you'd seen the year before, you had
the worst pass defense since the NFL A film or
yeah it was so bad.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Had I don't argue with the with the theory, and
you understood no doubt, no doubt at all. And that's
why I think you could have said, Yeah, this Richard
Sherman character is a guy that would fit for us
really really well. I think that would have been what
pick would we have been with that? That would have
been in the fourth round? Yeah, that was Yeah, that
was picked one twenty seven and Sherman ends up going
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not Anthony Sherman, Richard Sherman. He goes twenty seven picks later.
I mean, look, when you get to day three, I
think in this one it was day two. But either way,
there's not that twenty seven spots. That's not a whole
heck of a lot, to be honest with you. So
I think Sherman would have would have definitely been the
pick at that our pick instead Rock Carmichael. Okay, we
got the rest of the day round five and beyond,
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and I know you should be thinking, oh, well, what
can you do today?
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Oh, listen to what we do in day three. That's next.
The Texans All Access, all right, let's do this.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Let's finish up our redraft from twenty eleven. It's Texans
All Act says with a visit with our friends the
Interlab podcast, which is Drew Doherty and me, and we
were redrafting twenty eleven and we got into the fifth
round and now I know day three you're like, okay,
how off this day three pan out? Well, you want
to stay tuned, because day three we kicked serious ass
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with this redraft.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Check this out.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
We go into the fifth round and who's there? So
the Texans are picking one two. First pick, it's one
fifty two.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
TJ. Yates.
Speaker 5 (35:47):
I'm not changing that.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
Not change that because love TJ. Gotten Richard Sherman. So
we're gonna go with TJ. Yates at one fIF two,
not changing that. The next one zips along and comes
to you at why is this taking so long?
Speaker 5 (36:05):
John? You're in the sixth round. I thought we had
okay anyways, oh you're in the seventh round.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
All right, fifth round one? So TJ was taken one.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
How do we miss Shiloh Keo? Okay, yeah, yeah we will.
Let's we'll take Yates at one fifty two. Right, let's
go to one forty four. Right now, there's a Houston
homeboy that I would have loved. And I don't know
that you had the greatest career of all. But had
Jaquiz Rodgers been drafted at one forty four, I would
have gone nuts. Now, we wouldn't have because the year
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before we had taken Ben Tait, it had gotten hurt.
It was the second round pick, no way, and we're
drafting or running back at that particular point. So I think,
you know, even because you look at the running backs
in front of you, Jaquiz Rogers, Dion Lewis, those are
two really really good uh players. But I present to
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you if we're you know, just say, okay, we need
a safety. You know, we've already taken Richard Sherman. The
next safety that's taken is by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Guy name a mad Black, Okay, And I don't know
that's a great pick.
Speaker 5 (37:19):
Dejon Gomez though, yeah, he.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Didn't turn into anything.
Speaker 5 (37:23):
He was kind of.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Blah. Is the right way of saying it.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Black wasn't great inn the NFL either, And so I
actually think Shiloh might have been the if I remember correctly,
I think Shiloh might have been the special safety. But
if we're if we're looking at guys that we could
have taken. As we get on the list, you know,
we're gonna take t J.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Yates. But you know, there's a Toad Taylor down the road.
Speaker 5 (37:51):
There's also Jason Kelce, a centered down the road.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
There is a Jason Kelce. Oh my god, So I
think I think we got to take him. Man, I
think you have to take him.
Speaker 5 (37:58):
So let's do it.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Absolutely, Okay, So I mean Chris Myers have not been
happy with that? Well no, but no, but wait, what
year do we trade for Chris Myers?
Speaker 1 (38:06):
I can't remember.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
Chris Myers was oh sevenish, So, and you know Chris
was in the middle of that great run of offensive lineman. Yeah,
I think he you know, so on his competition, but
you know it's competition.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Yeah, So instead of that one forty four shallow k
we're gonna go Jason Kelsey, the diminutive center out of
the University of Cincinnati.
Speaker 5 (38:27):
I like it, and then we'll also go in the
fifth with one TJ.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Yates, who when you look back, they used to have
these things called throwing corps. They just needed arms throwing
quarterbacks at the combine, and it basically was to throw
it all the defensive backs, and throw to the receivers
and throw the running backs. So that the guys that
were there, like the cam Newton's and the Gabberts and
all those Christian ponders of the world didn't hurt their arms.
TJ had to go and sling it, and out of
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that he ends up being one of the he You know,
it'd be interesting to look at his draft. In fact,
I'm gonna do that right now if you look for
our next pick, PJ.
Speaker 5 (39:01):
Yates. Well, I want to add on to this TJ.
Yates thing. TJ.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
Yates now at the Combine. When we see him at
the Combine, we talk with him every year if we do.
He's an an assistant coach with the Atlanta Falcons. Yes,
we spend about ten minutes talking with him outside Radio rot.
It's always a good time. And he was a folk
hero late November December of eleventh January twelve, hero man,
folk hero exactly what off season.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
God bless t J.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Yates.
Speaker 4 (39:26):
Okay, so we're into the later rounds. Now the Texans
have picked up their picks in the fifth. I feel
like I'm missing something in the fifth? Am I missing something?
Weren't there three fifths? This is great radio, isn't it? Friends?
Speaker 1 (39:40):
No, In fact, they only took two huh.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
In fact, we don't pick again until the seventh round.
Picked two fourteen. That's the next that's the next pick.
Speaker 4 (39:49):
Seventh round, two fourteen. We're going down to it and
look at what's available. Now, this is where you got
to remember. You take Derek Newton there, and then you
have the final pick of the seventh round. I believe
that's maybe that's what I was messing. You have the
final pick, mister irrelevant of the round. That's right, cheto Zoo.
But you take Derek Newton. Derek Newton was a really
good right tackle before you he started lot to stay
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with Derek. Let's stay with Derek Newton. And then for
the final pick, mister roch Chetdo did did not play
with the Texans. But look at all these names. Great
kicker there and Dan Bailey, great slot corner, one of
the best slot corners of all time, Chris Harris Junior,
a phenomenal player for Wade Phillips.
Speaker 5 (40:27):
Phenomenal player for Wade Phillips.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
I mean how you signed Brian Brayman. Maybe you even
draft him, but I mean you got him, so I
mean there's nothing but.
Speaker 4 (40:36):
Man, after what we saw the year before in the secondary,
I'm kind of tempted. I'm not kind of tempt I'm
I want Chris Harris Junior.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
When you I would think that would be something you
would do. Yeah, you end up with Richard Sherman and
Chris Harris Junior to go with Kareem and then you
bring it. Now, here's the other thing. Do you end
up bringing it j job? At this point if you
remember there's the.
Speaker 5 (40:59):
Lockout, it's not and nothing's so.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
JJO was not a taxan.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Now free agents are now because they do afraigency before
the draft, but you would not have had JJO.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
My hope is that they still would have gone in
that direct.
Speaker 4 (41:12):
I don't think there's any chance they were going to
go into the season after what they've done the previous
year starting a rookie Kareem Jackson and a second year
Glover Quinn I don't think there's any chance they're going
to not add.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
Yeah, And to that point, they traded up in the
second round to Brandon Harris and they drafted Rock Carmichael.
So we've only drafted Richard Sherman and Chris Harris Junior.
I still think if you'd add j Jo Jjo outside,
here's a couple.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
There's so many domino effects to this.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
You draft Sherman, he eventually plays outside that pushes Glover
to safety.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
Then you.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
You signed j Jo, he plays the other corner. You
draft Chris Harris Junior. He plays the slot that moves
Kareem Jackson to safety. So your safeties are not Kareem Glover.
And then that that's your fivesome back there in what
you have with Glover and Cream at safety and then
the three guys that you have Richard Sherman, Jjo and
Chris Harris Junior, that would have been a totally completely
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revamped secondary.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
Now you end up.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
With what you What you had, or what you ended
up with was j Jo, Kareem, Bryce McCain inside, and
your two safeties of Quintin Demps and Daniel Manning. That
secondary is much improved. Or twenty ten I don't think
it's any christ much improved. But I think that Chris
Harris Junior would have been a bit of an upgrade
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from Bryce, even though I thought for a couple of
years Bryce played that nickel very very well. But I
think Chris Harris Junior would have been a severe, severe
upgrade from that position. And to me, the other thing
you get out of that is you move Kareem Jackson
to what I think is his natural position. I think
had Kareem Jackson moved back to safety in twenty eleven
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or even twenty four, team when I flitered with is
a pro bowler, I think he is a pro bowler
within four within four years, yeah, or less, he would
have been a pro bowler. He would have been a
menace back there. He would have been the perfect fit
back there. So yeah, I think Chrisseres Junior in the
seventh rounds good.
Speaker 5 (43:15):
So look at this draft.
Speaker 4 (43:16):
You take JJ Watt first, justin Houston, second, second rounds
and right there you've got one guy with one hundred
some sacks, another guy with a hundred some sacks. Both
of them eclipse the hundred sack mark in their careers.
Huge Randall Cobb very productive wide receiver for a long time.
Nice complimenting there to Andre Johnson and eventually DeAndre Hopkins,
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although that's a butterfly effect you have for another day.
Richard Sherman, a defensive Player of the Year, one of
the best corners of all time.
Speaker 5 (43:44):
It's gonna be in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (43:46):
Jason Kelce Wow Man wow setting up your offensive line
for a long time for nice continuity.
Speaker 5 (43:55):
TJ.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
Yates, full hero.
Speaker 4 (43:57):
Never go wrong drafting a full hero, good offensive line
and Derek Newton and one of the best slot corners,
Chris Harrishooter.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
That's a good draft, revision history draft. It's good. A
revision's history draft that you can have.
Speaker 5 (44:10):
That's good.
Speaker 4 (44:10):
Let's put some emphasis on that revisionist history. Rick Smith, heyes,
great work.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
No, I mean, I mean, look, we talked about jat
you got and t. J.
Speaker 5 (44:19):
Yates.
Speaker 1 (44:19):
I mean you got JJ Watt and Brooks Reed. Brook
was great.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
Brook Reed was solid from a just you know, just
looking back historically, you could have yeah, yeah, you know,
thinks some things could have changed. It's no doubt, but
you end up with a folk hero backup quarterback who
has you know, engineered maybe the greatest moment in team history.
You have the greatest, arguably the greatest player in team history.
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You end up with a really solid outside linebacker and
Brooks Reed and Derek Newton who ended up being a
seventh rounder who started for you and was it was
pretty damp good at tackle, and then when he had
to move to guard every now and again, he actually
played that pretty well. That to me, twenty eleven. Hopefully
years on end, you'll look back and people will probably
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forget about TJ and Derek Newton. They shouldn't, but they will,
and they'll just remember that's the draft that JJ got drafted,
and that's enough for them.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
Hopefully we've had some drafts in twenty three.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
We'll look back at the one at twenty four, the
top four guys, and hopefully they turn into players, and
we'll look at twenty four with that sort of reverence.
Twenty eleven was a damn good draft just as it was.
I mean, we obviously took it to different level because
it's revision, it's history fourteen years later. But Rick did
a pretty good job with that draft.
Speaker 5 (45:30):
I sure did. It was a fun one.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
It's fun to do.
Speaker 5 (45:32):
Revision is history. That's what we do here on in
the Yeah, geeky John love doing this with you.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
Yeah, man, that was awesome.
Speaker 4 (45:38):
We'll have the big mock draft simulation on Wednesday, the
day before the draft next week. It's always gonna be fun,
and we're gonna pick for the Texans and it's probably
gonna look nothing like what they actually do. It'll be
fun to see two weeks from now if any of
our picks next Wednesday align with with the actual one.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
So of course, I love doing our in the life
mock draft simulators I play around with all the time,
and then Drew and I discuss it. We go through options,
and it's always awesome to bounce ideas off of Drew.
We bounced them off each other, kind of like we
did with this redraft. It was really a blast, man.
We had such a good time doing that redraft at
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twenty eleven. There have been some great drafts in the
history of this franchise. You know, everybody's gonna remember twenty
twenty three. I think twenty twenty four is gonna be
one of those stealth ones, like if you get Blake
Fisher locked in it right tackle and Caleb Bullock and
Kamari last year, continue rise and Kate Stover makes the strides.
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I think he's gonna make. I think we're gonna look
back at twenty twenty four and think what a great
draft that was. So we know about twenty twenty three
that one knocked out of the park. Two thousand and
six is great and nine twenty eleven is always gonna
be remembered for JJ.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
But I think the TJ.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
Yeats and Derek Newton draft picks were hugely important to
the organization for many, many years for those two.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
So that was fun to do it. Redraft, appreciate Drew
for stopping by.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
Appreciate Mark for being here, all of you guys for
being along for the ride.
Speaker 1 (47:06):
We're almost there, six days away.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
It'll be that much more fun when the Texans are
on a clock at number twenty five or before or
later or maybe the next day.
Speaker 1 (47:16):
So we'll see you then, everybody, and as always, go Texans.
Happy Friday.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Everybody, Welcome into a Friday edition of Texans All Access
six days away. If my math is correct, from the
NFL Draft, John Harrison, Mark Vandermir with you this.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Evening and the voice of the Texans. How you feel
in six days away? I'm feeling good, Johnny? All right?
So is this a hot take or not?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
So it's not to rate a hot take, it's to
tell me if it is a hot take. I'm actually
more excited about Friday night than i am about Thursday night.
I'm excited about the draft party and all that heat
and energy that the party creates, no question, But as
far as the actual Texans pick, I'm way more excited
about Friday night because there are three selections on the
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board right now for Friday night, and I think that's
where the sizzle is. That's where all right, receiver time,
because I guess I shouldn't assume anything, but I'm thinking
O line in the first round, and I think receiver
comes on Friday Night. Maybe another sexy position or two.
Not that UO linemen are not sexy. You're much needed.
We need you, guys. But you know what I'm saying,
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is that a hot taker or not?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
No, you know what, I'm worried that you are somewhere
living in my size seven and three quarters head right now,
because I'm like I Mark, I swear to god. I
said the same thing to my son on Friday morning
before I took off.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
We were kind of talking about it.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
I was like, you know the next three you know,
the three day Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and he was kind
of asking me about it, and I was like, you know,
Friday is my favorite day.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Friday is the.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Day that I love because, like you said, you have
three picks, So I love Friday. We're in studio, we're
we just focus in, you know, we're at the draft party.
It's great, but there are a lot of distractions, especially
for me trying to you know, keep track everything that's
going on. So it gets to be distracting but awesome.
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But Friday night is we're in studio and we're locked
in and it's three picks. And I literally said those
same exact words to my son. I like Friday more
like Thursday.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
For me.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
That's not even a hot take, that's just that's just
what it is.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Now.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Now, I will say there was a Thursday night that
was I would go back and relive that Thursday night
before I would relive any other Thursday night in the
NFL Draft, And there's something.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
That I actually saw.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
The thirty third team put out a graphic and it
really got me thinking because sitting at the third pick
where the Arizona Cardinals back in twenty twenty three, all
of two years ago, and there had been a little,
a small bit of noise about a Texan's trade up
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because d Andrew Jeremiah had put it in his mock
draft that the Texans would at number two pick Will
Anderson and then at number three trade back up and
gets CJ.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Stroud.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
And I remember that distinctly because my thought was, I
could see that happening, but I wouldn't draft them in
that order because you got to draft CJ first, because
any teams that would want a quarterback would then get
in the mix with you with the Cardinals and try
and make a deal, and then they would amp up
what you'd have to give them. So if you cut
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them off at the knees and say, hey, we'll take CJ. Shroud,
then you don't have to pay as much to theirs
on the Cardinals to move up from twelve to three
to potentially take will Anderson Junior, and then it happened.
So I want to go back and look at this mark,
and I know that we're biased, we're on the Texans side,
but that trade was trading the Texans number twelve overall
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pick number thirty three. Remember they had the second pick,
I'm sorry, the first pick of the second round. They
also had twenty twenty four's number twenty seven pick, and
then a twenty twenty four third round pick. The Texans
then moved up to three. But one thing that nobody
really remembers is they also got a four round pick
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from the Cardinals in that deal.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Who did that pick turn into Kaylan Bullock.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Now they didn't move around, they end up taking a third,
but they moved up from the fourth to the third
to be.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Able to go get Bullock.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
So this trade turns out to be Will Anderson Junior
and Kayln Bullock on the Texans side for Paris Johnson Junior,
Garrett Williams and a few other pieces on the Cardinals side.
When you think back to that trade at the time,
I know a lot of people were like, that's crazy,
But what do you think back at the time, what
do you remember thinking it back at the time versus
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what you think now now that the whole trade is
completed and we can look at.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
It in hindsight.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Well, if it works out well for the Cardinals, I
don't consider that, and I know you feel the same way.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
I don't consider that a bad thing.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
If they made a good deal for themselves, that can
really accelerate the growth of their franchise.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Great.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
The point is, though, you got to make sure it
works for the Texans first.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
I mean, that's clear.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
You know we talk about trade so often and oh,
we slayed that team in that trade, Watson, we slayed
this team in that trade.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Whatever the case is, right, but if it works out.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
For both teams, that's even better because that means more
teams are willing to do business. And you know, I
kind of like in a Nick Cassario phone call in
a trade situation to Darryl Moury back in the day.
Wait a minute, if I'm making a trade with Darryl,
is this a good thing for me? You know, you
wonder about that, not that he's trying to hist you
or anything, but that he might be getting the better
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end of that deal. And with Nick, I would wonder
the same thing if I'm doing business with him. However,
if it works out for the Cardinals, great, But with
Will Anderson Junior, Johnny, We've said this before. That was
a brave, bold attempt to say we want to win
sooner rather than later. Yes, we know that this is
a big project. Every NFL team is, but we're drafting
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a quarterback. We have a new head coach, and you
know what, let's get a cornerstone on offense and on
defense right now tonight, this first round, and we're gonna
move up to take Will because we love Will. Obviously,
the coaches loved Will and they still do. And you
needed the quarterback and they loved him, so let's get
them both. And if it cost us something big, why not.
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But your point is great about that fourth rounder eventually
turning into killing Bullock. And it's a lot like the
Nick Cassio in this way Nick Casserio trade with Cleveland
with Watson, because tracing where some of those picks went,
it's kind of like a wild goose chase. You know,
you have to have tentacles they they have. You traded
this for that, and it's scripture. This trade this pick,
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we get that pick, We get that pick and it
becomes crazy, but it's all good because he's got track
of it. Can you imagine his Excel spreadsheets?
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
I think it worked out great for the Texans obviously,
and for the Cardinals it's working out pretty well so far. However,
this one big thing. The Texans are winning and the
Cardinals are not. Yet we'll see yeah in the car
a getting close now.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
The Cardinals ended up getting back the opportunity to say
they moved down to twelve, but then they moved back
up to six. So they gave up a little bit
to move back up six spots to get Paris Johnson Junior,
the guy that they had wanted all along. And at
the time, the national scribes were, well, wait a second,
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the Cardinals just got, you know, the pick from the
Texans this year, and the pick from the Texans next
year is.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Gonna be number two or number three overall.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
And if the Cardinals, I would imagine that in their
draft room and as they considered this trade, they probably thought, look,
if we get a future pick from the Texans, it's
gonna end up being a top five in a draft.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Look at them right now, they're not very good.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
We're gonna get a top five pick in a draft,
and we have our quarterback. So we could take that
top five pick and then trade it to a team
that wants to move up to go get another quarterback,
and this trade will just be the one that continues
on giving. But then the Texans to that great year
in twenty twenty three. They end up drafting at number
twenty seven overall in twenty twenty four. But as I
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looked at the comments, I thought it was interesting because
you saw a number of Cardinals fans going, ah, they
got will Anderson junior, great, and they got some safety,
like some safety like that dude led rookies' interceptions last year.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Were you talking about some safety? Yeah. In numbers, they
only got two players.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
I think the keep of the Cardinals of this is
they got a left tackle who is extremely athletic and
a very good player.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
But Gary Williams is a really good pick.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
They took number thirty three, and they they moved it
and they ended up getting two players out of at
bj Olsjali, who really hasn't turned in anything as a
edge rusher, but Gary Williams is one of the better
nickels in the league. So they end up with the
left tackle and probably the guys gonna be a left
tackle for a dozen years.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
They got a nickel.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Who is their version of Jalen Peatree in a sense,
and then they've got kind of a boomer Bus prospect
in Darius Robinson in twenty twenty four. If Robinson turns
out to be a player, man, that is a great
draft for the Cardinal. But this will always be a
draft that's referred to, a trade that's referred to in
Houston as you know, the one.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
The trade.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
I mean, it's you know, there have been so many
of them, you know, trading Laromy Tunssel, trading stuff on Diggs,
trade DeAndre Hopkins. But this is the one where I
think fans are gonna go, yeah, that, yes, drafting CJ,
bringing in to Miko, obviously Nick being here already, all
those key components and the number of them were here.
But this is the one that sort of put them
over the top because of what will brings both on
the field and off the field. But I think what's
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fascinating about this mark is there are times when a
trade is made regardless of what side we're on, and
you instantly think, okay, how do I feel about this
trade right now? And I know full well that you've
got to let it play out, But how do I
feel about this trade right now versus when it's all
completed you can look back and go I feel the
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exact same way like I would.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
I was happy, very happy with the deal at the time.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
I'm very happy with the deal right now, and I'm
sitting in Arizona. I'm feeling the same way, like, hey,
this trade worked for us too. So the other thing too,
is you had two former Patriots guys that are making
this deal with Monty Austin fort on the Cardinal side
and Nick on the Texas side, So they had a
pretty good understanding of value from each perspective. But they
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also spoke the same language as well, so I'm sure
that probably facilitated the deal, which leads me to Thursday night.
There was no trade up for a quarterback. It was
a trade up for will Anderson Junior, and it was
one that rocked everybody, like, WHOA, what's going on?
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Do you think Thursday night?
Speaker 2 (10:37):
There is the potential of one of those deals taking
place where somebody moves up into the top five. Maybe
that we're not expecting Now, the Texans did have multiple
first round picks, which is something no team has in
this draft. Every team has got its pick. But could
you see, given how that deal worked out for both sides,
there might be two teams willing to deal in kind
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of the same way where they, in an essence, feel
like they both can win.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Do you think that could happen Thursday night?
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Well, I don't know how the Texans felt Stroud would
do in his rookie season. There's no way, I mean,
in their wildest dreams did they think he was gonna
do what he did have the greatest rookie season in history,
arguably for a quarterback. And they knew that the Will
Anderson junior deal or acquisition in that draft would definitely
accelerate the franchise's win rate. But to that degree, I'm
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not sure. But how that affects teams? Now? Do you
think if you're one of these teams that just hasn't
won in a while and you have a very high
draft choice, are you thinking let's get another one, Let's
get two players in here? But Johnny, are there two
players in this draft like this? I would think it's
more the opposite. It's more Okay, cam Moored goes number one,
and then you have Abdul Carter and or Travis Hunter
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the next two to three four picks. I mean, obviously
it's the next two probably unless there's a quarterback surprise
that we're not thinking about right here. With Cleveland, who
did say some very nice things about Jalen Milroe, didn't
Was it Barry who said Milroe runs faster than Lamar Jackson?
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (12:08):
I noticed that quote, and I thought, but I, buddy,
if you think you're gonna get him in the second round,
I would not wait they Let's say they take let's
say Hunter goes to the I mean, I don't know
whatever order you want to declare here, but Hunter or
Carter goes to Cleveland. Now they're thinking, we want to
move up and get let's say it's Milroe. You don't
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have to move up to seven or something to get Milroe,
but maybe fifteen to twenty, just to make sure you
get them, because somebody else might want to get in
on the Millroe sweepstakes or whatever insert hot quarterback here
who's climbing up the charts, at least in our minds.
So I would think that that would be a candidate
to move up and take a quarterback, whether it's Dart
or Milrow, rather.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Than I gotta go get Carter.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Let's say let's say the Tennessee Titans they take Ward,
Now I want to go up and get Carter. They're
not gonna be able to do that because Carter and
Hunter are the next two picks at all likelihood.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Right, Yeah, absolutely, I mean I agree with you. You know,
it's funny.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
I was I was thinking about, you know what, in
various drafts that we have done together, you, me and Dre.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Have their been moments like there's to me.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
For the Texans especially, there was that moment of getting
Stroud in the trading for a Will, all that happening
in that twenty five minute span, like I'll never forget that.
But there was the Jordan Love heear when the Packers
took Jordan Love, and that was a big surprise.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
You know.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
I was working on my team needs today and I
got to the Atlanta Falcons and I realized.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
The Atlanta Falcons are sly like a fox.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
It hit me like a ton of bricks, Like the
Falcons did it right. They got Michael Pennix Junior in
this draft and if Michael Pennock Junior were in this
twenty twenty five draft, Michael Penix Junior would be going
number one, or if he weren't going number one, he'd
go number two. It'd be Ward Penis or Penix Ward
and the Falcons got Penis and they've got their future,
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and yeah, they don't have a ton of picks.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
So I would imagine the Falcons of my trade down fifteen.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
But that was the move last year where everybody kind
of looked around and went, Okay, this isn't quite trading
up for Will Anderson like the Texas did and shaking
kind of the NFL. But everybody was like, what did
the Falcons just do? And now you look at the
quarterbacks in this draft and you go, hey, wait a second.
The Falcons were sly like a fox here. They did
the right thing. They struck before getting a guy that
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was probably gonna be one of the top two picks,
you know, had he been around the following year. So
that was the move last year. I think that kind
of rocked everyone. But I saw that graphic from the
thirty third team and that just made me think back
about that that particular trade. And I know because the
Texans had Ammo because they had you know, Stroud and
the whole straw already, you know, trying to make that
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move back up to get two of them.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
And I've thought about that.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
I've thought about, man, could they get up and get
two guys?
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Now I look at it differently.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
I think could they take a pick at twenty five
and then move up in the second round and take
another guy at that particular moment.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
But we'll see it's gonna be, there's no question about that. Now.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
A draft that you and I remember, mark is twenty
eleven and in that draft, the Texans drafted one justin
James Watt. Will he remain the pick in the in
the lab redraft? We do that next of Texans All Access. Tevin, everybody,
welcome back to this show. A Friday edition for you,
A good Friday edition for you. It's always a good Friday.
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It's always a happy Friday. It's always a football Friday
right here when I am running things and I'm John Harris,
football analyst, sideline reporter for your Houston Texas. Now, as promised,
ju Doory and I like to well, we get kind
of funky sometimes within the lab.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
We like yea Geeky and dor Key.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
One of the things we'd like to do is go
back into a redraft of various drafts on one of
the best drafts in Texas history is the draft from
twenty eleven.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
That draft is it's an all timer.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
It is an all timer because the time seven eight
picks in that draft, they're probably all I mean, I
don't know if cam is gonna go to the Hall
of Fame, but Man von Miller's going to the Hall
of Fame. AJ Green probably will, Judio Jones probably will
uh and then the guy at number eleven where the
Texas were picking eleven and eleven one Justin James Watt, Well,
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Drew and I sat down to redraft this. We're we
gonna change our pick at number eleven. Well, hell no,
we're not changing our pick.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
J J. Watt is thank But how did we go
about the following rounds? Up? Take a listen.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
But what I want to do. I want to get
into DeLorean. I want to go back in time. This
is a this is a sink your teeth in in
the lab, true in the lab experience because John and
I we get deep on some stuff and we get
weird on some stuff. So we're gonna get deep, and
we're gonna get weird, and we're gonna go back.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
In the weeds.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
And we've done this kind of before, but we're gonna
go it a little differently today. But we're going back
in time and we're redrafting for the Houston Texans the
twenty eleven NFL NO, the draft that yielded JJ Watt. Okay,
he was the headliner in that you're gonna go back,
and we'll go back and we'll talk about some of
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those picks before, but we're gonna repick.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
But John, let's set the stage. What was going on.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
The Texans are five and ten going into the final
week of the season.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
It had been a tough season.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
The year before they'd gone nine and seven, So twenty ten, hey,
Texans are going to the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
That's the expectation. Taking that step, you.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
Got this awesome offense.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
The defense had some struggles in nine early, but then
they kind of came around and made They made some
plays here and there wasn't a terrific defense, but it
was a defense that could do some things. You had
Brian Cushy Cushing Rookie of the Year, Demiko Ryan's fantastic linebacker.
Twenty ten starts, you get out to about a five
and two start, Demiko Ryans gets injured and has lost
for the year, and from that game on, not a
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good season for the defense, not a good season for
the Texans. But they're five and two heading into the
last week of the season with really not a whole
heck of a lot to play for. Jacksonville is the opponent,
they're in your building, they have a lot to play for.
They win that game, they're in the playoffs. And it
was a three pm kickoff. Do you remember that, John
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no rare three pm kickoff in week seventeen, because remember
we only games?
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Wow, So the Texans if they lose, they're probably picking
sixth seventh around there. They won, however, which pushed them
all the way back to pick eleven. I don't remember
a whole lot of gnashing of teeth, but there were
certainly people that were disappointed that they won and sacrificed
that great draft position. So what do they do? Well,
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we go to the draft. There's lots of talk about
who they might get. Von Miller was a really popular
choice going into the Going into the Senior Bowl week
and then von Miller. Everyone saw the tape and then
they saw what he did Senior Bowl. Von Miller was
not gonna go.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
It wouldn't getting the past two or three. Yeah, that
what happened.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
He was the second pick overall. So let's do a
little screen sharing here on on in the lab and
let's pull up the twenty eleven draft on Wikipedia, and
let's go down and see where the Texans are picking.
You see see see these names that have come off
the board, and now the Texans at eleven. I think
we we know we're gonna go with JJ Watt again.
Speaker 5 (19:27):
You cool with that?
Speaker 4 (19:28):
The greatest player? Yeah, yeah, I'd be okay, franchise history.
So yeah, no brainer there, Texans gonna take JJ Watt.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
I think what's interesting there is, you know, thinking back,
like obviously, sitting here on April sixteen to twenty twenty five,
fourteen years after the fact, we can definitely say, oh
it's no brainer's no brainer, But not at the time,
at the time people draft party.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Obviously it's you know, this long held story.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
I wasn't there at the draft party because I was
doing I was doing a national draft show, and so
so I remember when.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
JJ was picked.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
I was excited because my parents were in ore, Wisconsin nights.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
I mean, I was one of Wisconsin. I got here
when I was eleven.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
So JJ and I follow the same path, different bank account,
but you get the point. And so when JJ was drafted,
I remember I was really excited. My parents and I
really wanted JJ here. But the big question was where
where was he going to play? Because JJ at Wisconsin
was playing outside as a four to three defensive end.
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Could he play I don't know, He's not go an
play outside linebacker in a three four, which at the time,
you gotta remember four three, three four they were. They
were a little bit more different. There was more variance
in those four three defensive ends. A lot of times
couldn't play in a three as a three four outside linebacker.
They a lot of times had to move inside and
play you know a four I which is inside the tackle,
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or play a five technique just outside the tackle, and
there would be a heavy end all that kind of stuff.
And so I remember during a break of our show,
I ran down and I joined our local draft show
and they asked me about what and I remember saying,
I love what. I love him as a player. I
just don't know how they're going to use him. I'm
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not sure about that, I said, but I'll be very clear.
I very much like JJ Watt being in Houston, and
JJ ends up being a guy that when he comes
for his his draft press conference the following day, when
he walks in, you just realize, damn. I remember Wade
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Phillips going, look this has his hands and his hands
were and I was like, Okay, we drafted this dude
for his hand and I knew full well why that
we didn't do that.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
But I think what he also, Wade also brought up
the three cone drill.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
The fastest right, and you've often you've often referred to
him as a jungle cats the jungle way that you know,
and I think we.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Missed all that.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
But what I think is interesting if you go back
you look at JJ when he got here in twenty eleven,
he kind of looked like a lighter defensive.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Tackle, like he just was kind of he's kind of thick.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
I don't know the right way of saying this because
I don't want it to sound mean, but he just
he looked like a defensive end. But then he just
started going gangbusters in the weight room, and then you
looked at him and go, okay, I could see him
as playing a four to three defenseman, and that's eventually
what he ended up doing. You know, the thought in
my mind of okay, how does he kind of fit?
You already have Mario Williams, you drafted Connor Barwin. Well,
how are you going to put this all this together?
Speaker 4 (22:34):
That was a minor news item was, hey, Mario Williams
is gonna play outside linebacker, right, And that had not
been discussed or talked about really publicly. But then the
Texans take JJ Watt and that comes out.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
You know, and so one of the things that I kept,
I mean, I want to say a reference, but I
know in my draft spiel after JJ was drafted, I
remember saying, you know, in two thousand and four, the
Texans drafted Travis Johnson, and Travis was not a four
to three defensive tackle which the Texans were running at
that time. Oh no, the Texas running three four. He's
a four to three defensive tackle, not a three to four.
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He's not a nose tackle, and he's not really a
three four defensive end.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
I don't know if this fit is right.
Speaker 5 (23:13):
So I remember Saavis will tell you that when he
picked there and over.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Exactly, and I told out the Travis and he was like, yeah,
you had it dead on, and so I was like,
I don't want that happening to JJ. But I know him,
having watched almost every Wisconsin game. I know this dude,
and I know his backstory. I know people in Houston
are going to really like him eventually, but it's gonna
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take a little while to kind of prove it.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
I like this pick eleven. But here's the other thing.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Well, Also, Wade Phillips was always he himself was always
very upfront about you know, people say that my defenses
have to have this type.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
Of nose tackle. Yeah, but that's not the case. I
had this guy.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
Yeah, I had this guy here, right. Sean Cody was worried.
He's like Sewan. When they hired Wade Phillips, Sean kind
of thought, I'm a goner.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
You know that's right?
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
You think you have three four no's, You think of Reader,
and you think of will Fork, and you know, you
don't think of a guy like Sean Cody. But that's
not the way that Wade ran at defense. But I
think the other thing to keep in mind, here is
when you look at as you put up that screen.
One through sixteen, every non quarterback went to at least
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a Pro Bowl except for one non quarterback, and that
was the guy a lot of people wanted at eleven.
That was Nick Fairley from out of Auburn. Fairly was
coming off a tremendous season.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
At Auburn.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
And I had the Lombardi Award breakfast that I did
and I did a little either or. I did an
interview with each of the guys, and I got to
Fairly and I was like, I was doing either or,
and I was like, okay, your professional home Dallas or Houston,
And he just had.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
This kind of look and you winked at me. He's like, oh,
you know.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
And so in my mind I was and I thought
that Fairly would have been a pretty good fit for
this particular defense. But I loved wat as a player,
and I loved him being from Wisconsin, and I thought
in the end, and in the end it ended up
being that way, and Fairly never got to that Pro
Bowl level. He ended up having some decent seasons. He
was not bad player, but he was not Jake Locker,
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Blaine Gabbert, et.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Cetera.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
So I feel like, when when revision is history, when
we look back, I feel like there were still some
questions about JJ because of how he was going to
fit in Wage's defense. And I think that goes to
you know, both Wade Phillips and Romeo Crenell that they
were quote unquote three four guys who were adaptable, though,
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but they were adaptable and they took this, you know,
this mouldible clay and helped turn him in. And JJ
has never shied away from saying that he was, like,
you know, Romeo Cornell and Wade Phillips, they they made
my career absolutely, and you know, letting letting JJ get
to a point where it was you play will adapt
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and the defense will be better for it.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
And and it really was.
Speaker 5 (25:56):
It sure was.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
So JJ Watt is to pick their one. No, nothing
crazy going on. So let's talk and look at what
happens in round two because this is where things get interesting.
So the Texans had a pick in the second round,
but during the draft they traded for another pick. The
first one they take is on Brooks Reed. Brooks Reed
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good player, but look at some of the guys available.
You have Pro Bowl tight end Kyle Rudolph who comes
off the board a little bit later, literally.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
The pick after him, pick after.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Brooks Reed, Rodney Hudson, nice guard, Florida State goes to
the Chiefs. Shane Vereen. He's in the building here now
with the Houston Texans running back. He used to be
a round and patriot. Yep, he was really good, did
a lot of good things. Oh, Randall Cobb down there
at the bottom, Brandon Harris is the Texans' second pick.
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They traded with New England, so they get the corner
from Miami. But look, look there at the very bottom
of the or very top of the third round. Justin
Houston is the name I'm circling now. Friends, if you
aren't familiar with Justin Houston, he wound up having a
pretty darn good career, getting a lot of sacks. Justin
Houston had a bit better career than Brooks Reed. So, John,
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what do you say, don't take Justin Houston there?
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Now, let's use that revision's history in a sense. Justin
Houston had a tremendous career. Justin Houston was an incredible prospect.
But he's there round three, pick number seventy. Because there
were a lot of concerns about Houston off the field
when he was coming out of college a ton and
I know how the Texans thought back in twenty eleven
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that they, I don't want to say they were allergic
to some of those.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
But you've heard Nick Casario say, we don't draft choir boys.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
And it wasn't as if the Texas were all, you know,
drafted choir boys, but they avoided guys that they felt
like had issues.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
And it was pretty well known in.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
The NFL about the issues that Justin Houston had off
the field. Now once he got to the NFL, all
of that disappeared. I mean he turned into and became
a model citizen, was always held in high regard, and
became one of the better pass rushers. So if your
bank on that happening in Houston, there's no question the
pick of Brooks reed. Although Brooks did had a few
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years of some good things, Justin Houston would have done
it opposite JJ Watt. Can you imagine if you would
have had Mario Williams, JJ Watt, Justin Houston and Connor
Barwin all healthy on a defense at twenty eleven, it
was already bulls on parade but my god, let.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Me ask you, din't you have had with Justin Houston.
Let's still little quiz here. How many sacks did JJ
Watt have in twenty fourteen, twenty fourteen years, twenty eight Yeah,
in twenty plus up in Kansas City, Justin Houston had
twenty two sacks? Can you imagine that? Exactly forty five sacks?
I'm fine, just dudes.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
And I think what ends up being interesting here is
now you start Okay, it's the butterfly effect, because if
you end up drafting Justin Houston more than likely in
twenty twelve, you don't draft Whitney Merciless.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
So there there are a number of ways to look
at it.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
But I think if you want to get better, even
faster than you did, I think Justin Houston would have
been the right pick there.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
Okay, Now, do you want to take another second round
or do you just want to rock in the third
and not make that trade with the with the Patriots,
Because if you don't make the trade with the Patriots,
you're picking seventy three overall.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
They wound up taking Stephen Ridley.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Right, you got Ryan Mallett waiting there, you got a
name that got familiar to Texans fans pretty quickly, Jirell
Casey a few picks after him. I want to take
a defensive tackle, and you want to just like strengthen
a strength that you that was kind of a weakness
the year before.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
I think that would have been I think that would
have been tough because you've already you've still got Mario
a com tracked, and I think, you know, the defense
is so bad.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
I think people would have been okay with it.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
You already went Watt Brooks reed, well now you're going
Wat justin Houston Durell Casey like, man, is that a
little bit.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Too much to put into the defensive line?
Speaker 2 (30:16):
I think even now I look at it and think,
even though as much as I love Casey, then might
have been a bit a bit much at that point.
But you know, just going back, you you know, Randall
Cobb would have been on the board if we'd stayed
at sixty. Would we have been better off drafting Randall
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Cobb at sixty instead of Brandon Harris and then going
on down to whatever our next pick would have been.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
I think that to me would end up being Okay,
let's bounce this out. Even though the offense.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
You know, nine going into ten, I'm sorry, ten going
into eleven and you're like, ohka, this.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Offense is pretty damn good man.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
We don't need a lot offensively, but Randal Cobb would
have given them something a little different on that offense
in twenty eleven that maybe they didn't have.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
But I think he's gone at that point though.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Right, Well, if we had stayed with the trade at sixty,
we could have got we could have gotten Randall Cobb.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Let's do it.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
Then let's go get Let's do that.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Let's trade and then go get Randall Cobb. How about that?
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Likely twenty eleven Randall Cobb not the twenty twenty Cob
that we got, but it.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
Likely takes us away from taking kJ Wright in the
third round. Would you like a kJ Wright at linebacker?
Speaker 2 (31:25):
I think in twenty eleven, I don't know that I
would have felt that. I think once Cushion went down
on it been like, yeah, yeah, we need you know, man,
Would i'd rather have had I think I would have
had if I would have ranked him all right, ironically,
I would have probably gone trade to get Cob, then
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kJ Wright, then Darrell Casey because I feel like we
really bolster a defensive line, Like, I don't know if
you can ever have enough on the defensive line. Okay,
but I feel like that's the way that I would
have gone.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
So I'm to go.
Speaker 5 (31:58):
But we're gonna stick with two. We're gonna go with
Randal cop.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Yeah, let's stick with two and go with Randal Cop. Right,
although you're killing me with this kJ right, I know,
think about it.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Dang. He was at the he was at the beginning
of the fourth round.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
He plays forever, Jude.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
I wonder how much. I can't remember how much we
gave up to move up to sixty.
Speaker 5 (32:19):
I'll show you.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Let me see. Oh, here it is.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
Yeah, we go.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
New England traded this selection to Houston for Houston's third,
which was seventy three overall and fifth round selections.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
And that was the years that Texts had about thirteen
fifth rounders. Yeah, Shiloh, you take TJ. Yates, you take
somebody else too. I think I would stick to that trade, Okay,
I think I would stick with that trade. So that
takes the Texans out of the third round. So we're
gonna go all the way down to the fourth and
look at what is going on. Oh, in the fourth
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Rashad Carmichael Corner from Virginia Tech.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Who did that not turn well?
Speaker 4 (33:01):
Okay, Julius Thomas made a Pro Bowl at tight end
with the Broncos. He was pretty good. Anthony Sherman Pro
Bowl fullback in the fifth round. Now you're into this
fifth round, and this is a this is where some
fascinating names come off the board. And that's the name
right there that's in yellow that I don't that doesn't
get past Houston, Richard Sherman.
Speaker 5 (33:21):
Why not, let's go your You'll.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
Get You'll get a lot of heat for at the
time taking uh Richard Sherman in the fourth round, But
try to just eliminate it and take him.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Yeah, I think that's the way to go.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Ironically, remember I talked about that trade with New England.
In staying with that trade with New England, we gave
up one thirty eight overall in the fifth round, right
that pick turned into Marcus Cannon tackle from TCU.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Wow. And so that's what the Patriots.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
The Patriots were able to The Patriots took Mallet, if
I remember right now, they took Ridley, Stephen Ridley and
Marcus and with two picks that we traded up to
go get Brandon Harris.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
That didn't work out.
Speaker 5 (34:05):
Didn't work out.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Oh, look, sometimes trades don't work. That was that was
one of them.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
Think about what you'd seen the year before, you had
the worst pass defense since the NFL A film or
yeah it was so bad.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Had I don't argue with the with the theory, and
you understood no doubt, no doubt at all. And that's
why I think you could have said, Yeah, this Richard
Sherman character is a guy that would fit for us
really really well. I think that would have been what
pick would we have been with that? That would have
been in the fourth round? Yeah, that was Yeah, that
was picked one twenty seven and Sherman ends up going
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not Anthony Sherman, Richard Sherman. He goes twenty seven picks later.
I mean, look, when you get to day three, I
think in this one it was day two. But either way,
there's not that twenty seven spots. That's not a whole
heck of a lot, to be honest with you. So
I think Sherman would have would have definitely been the
pick at that our pick instead Rock Carmichael. Okay, we
got the rest of the day round five and beyond,
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and I know you should be thinking, oh, well, what
can you do today?
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Oh, listen to what we do in day three. That's next.
The Texans All Access, all right, let's do this.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Let's finish up our redraft from twenty eleven. It's Texans
All Act says with a visit with our friends the
Interlab podcast, which is Drew Doherty and me, and we
were redrafting twenty eleven and we got into the fifth
round and now I know day three you're like, okay,
how off this day three pan out? Well, you want
to stay tuned, because day three we kicked serious ass
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with this redraft.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Check this out.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
We go into the fifth round and who's there? So
the Texans are picking one two. First pick, it's one
fifty two.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
TJ. Yates.
Speaker 5 (35:47):
I'm not changing that.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
Not change that because love TJ. Gotten Richard Sherman. So
we're gonna go with TJ. Yates at one fIF two,
not changing that. The next one zips along and comes
to you at why is this taking so long?
Speaker 5 (36:05):
John? You're in the sixth round. I thought we had
okay anyways, oh you're in the seventh round.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
All right, fifth round one? So TJ was taken one.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
How do we miss Shiloh Keo? Okay, yeah, yeah we will.
Let's we'll take Yates at one fifty two. Right, let's
go to one forty four. Right now, there's a Houston
homeboy that I would have loved. And I don't know
that you had the greatest career of all. But had
Jaquiz Rodgers been drafted at one forty four, I would
have gone nuts. Now, we wouldn't have because the year
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before we had taken Ben Tait, it had gotten hurt.
It was the second round pick, no way, and we're
drafting or running back at that particular point. So I think,
you know, even because you look at the running backs
in front of you, Jaquiz Rogers, Dion Lewis, those are
two really really good uh players. But I present to
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you if we're you know, just say, okay, we need
a safety. You know, we've already taken Richard Sherman. The
next safety that's taken is by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Guy name a mad Black, Okay, And I don't know
that's a great pick.
Speaker 5 (37:19):
Dejon Gomez though, yeah, he.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Didn't turn into anything.
Speaker 5 (37:23):
He was kind of.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Blah. Is the right way of saying it.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Black wasn't great inn the NFL either, And so I
actually think Shiloh might have been the if I remember correctly,
I think Shiloh might have been the special safety. But
if we're if we're looking at guys that we could
have taken. As we get on the list, you know,
we're gonna take t J.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Yates. But you know, there's a Toad Taylor down the road.
Speaker 5 (37:51):
There's also Jason Kelce, a centered down the road.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
There is a Jason Kelce. Oh my god, So I
think I think we got to take him. Man, I
think you have to take him.
Speaker 5 (37:58):
So let's do it.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Absolutely, Okay, So I mean Chris Myers have not been
happy with that? Well no, but no, but wait, what
year do we trade for Chris Myers?
Speaker 1 (38:06):
I can't remember.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
Chris Myers was oh sevenish, So, and you know Chris
was in the middle of that great run of offensive lineman. Yeah,
I think he you know, so on his competition, but
you know it's competition.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Yeah, So instead of that one forty four shallow k
we're gonna go Jason Kelsey, the diminutive center out of
the University of Cincinnati.
Speaker 5 (38:27):
I like it, and then we'll also go in the
fifth with one TJ.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Yates, who when you look back, they used to have
these things called throwing corps. They just needed arms throwing
quarterbacks at the combine, and it basically was to throw
it all the defensive backs, and throw to the receivers
and throw the running backs. So that the guys that
were there, like the cam Newton's and the Gabberts and
all those Christian ponders of the world didn't hurt their arms.
TJ had to go and sling it, and out of
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that he ends up being one of the he You know,
it'd be interesting to look at his draft. In fact,
I'm gonna do that right now if you look for
our next pick, PJ.
Speaker 5 (39:01):
Yates. Well, I want to add on to this TJ.
Yates thing. TJ.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
Yates now at the Combine. When we see him at
the Combine, we talk with him every year if we do.
He's an an assistant coach with the Atlanta Falcons. Yes,
we spend about ten minutes talking with him outside Radio rot.
It's always a good time. And he was a folk
hero late November December of eleventh January twelve, hero man,
folk hero exactly what off season.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
God bless t J.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Yates.
Speaker 4 (39:26):
Okay, so we're into the later rounds. Now the Texans
have picked up their picks in the fifth. I feel
like I'm missing something in the fifth? Am I missing something?
Weren't there three fifths? This is great radio, isn't it? Friends?
Speaker 1 (39:40):
No, In fact, they only took two huh.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
In fact, we don't pick again until the seventh round.
Picked two fourteen. That's the next that's the next pick.
Speaker 4 (39:49):
Seventh round, two fourteen. We're going down to it and
look at what's available. Now, this is where you got
to remember. You take Derek Newton there, and then you
have the final pick of the seventh round. I believe
that's maybe that's what I was messing. You have the
final pick, mister irrelevant of the round. That's right, cheto Zoo.
But you take Derek Newton. Derek Newton was a really
good right tackle before you he started lot to stay
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with Derek. Let's stay with Derek Newton. And then for
the final pick, mister roch Chetdo did did not play
with the Texans. But look at all these names. Great
kicker there and Dan Bailey, great slot corner, one of
the best slot corners of all time, Chris Harris Junior,
a phenomenal player for Wade Phillips.
Speaker 5 (40:27):
Phenomenal player for Wade Phillips.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
I mean how you signed Brian Brayman. Maybe you even
draft him, but I mean you got him, so I
mean there's nothing but.
Speaker 4 (40:36):
Man, after what we saw the year before in the secondary,
I'm kind of tempted. I'm not kind of tempt I'm
I want Chris Harris Junior.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
When you I would think that would be something you
would do. Yeah, you end up with Richard Sherman and
Chris Harris Junior to go with Kareem and then you
bring it. Now, here's the other thing. Do you end
up bringing it j job? At this point if you
remember there's the.
Speaker 5 (40:59):
Lockout, it's not and nothing's so.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
JJO was not a taxan.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Now free agents are now because they do afraigency before
the draft, but you would not have had JJO.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
My hope is that they still would have gone in
that direct.
Speaker 4 (41:12):
I don't think there's any chance they were going to
go into the season after what they've done the previous
year starting a rookie Kareem Jackson and a second year
Glover Quinn I don't think there's any chance they're going
to not add.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
Yeah, And to that point, they traded up in the
second round to Brandon Harris and they drafted Rock Carmichael.
So we've only drafted Richard Sherman and Chris Harris Junior.
I still think if you'd add j Jo Jjo outside,
here's a couple.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
There's so many domino effects to this.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
You draft Sherman, he eventually plays outside that pushes Glover
to safety.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
Then you.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
You signed j Jo, he plays the other corner. You
draft Chris Harris Junior. He plays the slot that moves
Kareem Jackson to safety. So your safeties are not Kareem Glover.
And then that that's your fivesome back there in what
you have with Glover and Cream at safety and then
the three guys that you have Richard Sherman, Jjo and
Chris Harris Junior, that would have been a totally completely
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revamped secondary.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
Now you end up.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
With what you What you had, or what you ended
up with was j Jo, Kareem, Bryce McCain inside, and
your two safeties of Quintin Demps and Daniel Manning. That
secondary is much improved. Or twenty ten I don't think
it's any christ much improved. But I think that Chris
Harris Junior would have been a bit of an upgrade
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from Bryce, even though I thought for a couple of
years Bryce played that nickel very very well. But I
think Chris Harris Junior would have been a severe, severe
upgrade from that position. And to me, the other thing
you get out of that is you move Kareem Jackson
to what I think is his natural position. I think
had Kareem Jackson moved back to safety in twenty eleven
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or even twenty four, team when I flitered with is
a pro bowler, I think he is a pro bowler
within four within four years, yeah, or less, he would
have been a pro bowler. He would have been a
menace back there. He would have been the perfect fit
back there. So yeah, I think Chrisseres Junior in the
seventh rounds good.
Speaker 5 (43:15):
So look at this draft.
Speaker 4 (43:16):
You take JJ Watt first, justin Houston, second, second rounds
and right there you've got one guy with one hundred
some sacks, another guy with a hundred some sacks. Both
of them eclipse the hundred sack mark in their careers.
Huge Randall Cobb very productive wide receiver for a long time.
Nice complimenting there to Andre Johnson and eventually DeAndre Hopkins,
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although that's a butterfly effect you have for another day.
Richard Sherman, a defensive Player of the Year, one of
the best corners of all time.
Speaker 5 (43:44):
It's gonna be in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (43:46):
Jason Kelce Wow Man wow setting up your offensive line
for a long time for nice continuity.
Speaker 5 (43:55):
TJ.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
Yates, full hero.
Speaker 4 (43:57):
Never go wrong drafting a full hero, good offensive line
and Derek Newton and one of the best slot corners,
Chris Harrishooter.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
That's a good draft, revision history draft. It's good. A
revision's history draft that you can have.
Speaker 5 (44:10):
That's good.
Speaker 4 (44:10):
Let's put some emphasis on that revisionist history. Rick Smith, heyes,
great work.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
No, I mean, I mean, look, we talked about jat
you got and t. J.
Speaker 5 (44:19):
Yates.
Speaker 1 (44:19):
I mean you got JJ Watt and Brooks Reed. Brook
was great.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
Brook Reed was solid from a just you know, just
looking back historically, you could have yeah, yeah, you know,
thinks some things could have changed. It's no doubt, but
you end up with a folk hero backup quarterback who
has you know, engineered maybe the greatest moment in team history.
You have the greatest, arguably the greatest player in team history.
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You end up with a really solid outside linebacker and
Brooks Reed and Derek Newton who ended up being a
seventh rounder who started for you and was it was
pretty damp good at tackle, and then when he had
to move to guard every now and again, he actually
played that pretty well. That to me, twenty eleven. Hopefully
years on end, you'll look back and people will probably
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forget about TJ and Derek Newton. They shouldn't, but they will,
and they'll just remember that's the draft that JJ got drafted,
and that's enough for them.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
Hopefully we've had some drafts in twenty three.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
We'll look back at the one at twenty four, the
top four guys, and hopefully they turn into players, and
we'll look at twenty four with that sort of reverence.
Twenty eleven was a damn good draft just as it was.
I mean, we obviously took it to different level because
it's revision, it's history fourteen years later. But Rick did
a pretty good job with that draft.
Speaker 5 (45:30):
I sure did. It was a fun one.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
It's fun to do.
Speaker 5 (45:32):
Revision is history. That's what we do here on in
the Yeah, geeky John love doing this with you.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
Yeah, man, that was awesome.
Speaker 4 (45:38):
We'll have the big mock draft simulation on Wednesday, the
day before the draft next week. It's always gonna be fun,
and we're gonna pick for the Texans and it's probably
gonna look nothing like what they actually do. It'll be
fun to see two weeks from now if any of
our picks next Wednesday align with with the actual one.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
So of course, I love doing our in the life
mock draft simulators I play around with all the time,
and then Drew and I discuss it. We go through options,
and it's always awesome to bounce ideas off of Drew.
We bounced them off each other, kind of like we
did with this redraft. It was really a blast, man.
We had such a good time doing that redraft at
(46:17):
twenty eleven. There have been some great drafts in the
history of this franchise. You know, everybody's gonna remember twenty
twenty three. I think twenty twenty four is gonna be
one of those stealth ones, like if you get Blake
Fisher locked in it right tackle and Caleb Bullock and
Kamari last year, continue rise and Kate Stover makes the strides.
(46:37):
I think he's gonna make. I think we're gonna look
back at twenty twenty four and think what a great
draft that was. So we know about twenty twenty three
that one knocked out of the park. Two thousand and
six is great and nine twenty eleven is always gonna
be remembered for JJ.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
But I think the TJ.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
Yeats and Derek Newton draft picks were hugely important to
the organization for many, many years for those two.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
So that was fun to do it. Redraft, appreciate Drew
for stopping by.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
Appreciate Mark for being here, all of you guys for
being along for the ride.
Speaker 1 (47:06):
We're almost there, six days away.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
It'll be that much more fun when the Texans are
on a clock at number twenty five or before or
later or maybe the next day.
Speaker 1 (47:16):
So we'll see you then, everybody, and as always, go Texans.
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