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Former Texans offensive tackle Chris Clark joined the show and shared his thoughts on where the offensive line is headed, and much more.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, Texans, welcome to the show. Hope everyone gets off
to a great start in their Memorial Day weekend.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
If you're working, so are we.

Speaker 1 (00:06):
We're here and it's a joy to have you with
us tonight, and a very special pleasure to have Chris
Clark on the program, who played for the Texans from
twenty fifteen through seventeen, then came back in twenty nineteen.
And we'll get it to his journey. But it's really
interesting stuff about the O line, how it applies to
what's happening today, and a bunch of other stuff. Let's
get right to it our conversation with Texans Legends community

(00:28):
member Chris Clark.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Appreciate you having me, guys, appreciate it well. Tell us
you walk into the building.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
I know you do Legends appearances as part of the
Legends community, and it's great to see out and about
with some of the other guys at the events and everything.
What's it like for you to walk in the building
right now?

Speaker 3 (00:43):
I wish I could play again.

Speaker 4 (00:46):
He y'all have it. It looks so nice. I mean,
every nook and cranny of the building. Man, it's a
player's dream. It's designed in a way where you want
to be here longer. You know, you want to go
in the cafeteria, eat, you like, stay long, you want
to go in the training room and get proper work
done and in the weight room. I mean, it's just

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desirable for any NFL player that wants to prolong their career.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
Playing.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
Chris, as you're going through your career and you talked
about playing.

Speaker 5 (01:18):
Sundays are awesome, I mean playing from the crowd, I
mean Monday Night's, Sundays whatever, they're awesome. But the prep
that goes into it, that is that the grind that's
so hard to get through for a lot of guys
where they're just like, man, I'm just done, Like I
love Sundays, but man, Monday through Saturday those are pretty tough.
I don't know I can go through that is that
is that kind of how a lot of guys that

(01:38):
have played in the league look at it, like, hey, man,
I can go play again, but I don't want to.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Go through the whole week of practice and all that nonsense.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
Absolutely, Sundays Sundays are fun.

Speaker 4 (01:48):
You enjoy that there's no stress because the stress, you know,
it hits you during the week right when it's hot
outside that you outside in pads peak weather, right peak sun,
and it's it's like, dude, it's so hot ouse, I
don't really want to be out there. But you know,
that's the grind going ones versus ones. Right when I

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was here, going against Jadavian clown, JJ Widde or Whitney
Merciless like that was the grind for me. So I
had to come to work, and that is you know,
you feel like if it was just Sundays, you have
a lot of guys playing fifteen years that can play twenty,
it would be like a bron Jay's trying to trying
to keep going, man. But yeah, that that week up

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into it, man, you really have to work and get
it done.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
Chris Clark joining US former Texans offensive lineman, So you
got it too the league in eight as an undrafted
free agent. So the Texans have some of those you
can identify with what they're going through. What was that
like for you with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers at the time,
because you didn't join the Texans until twenty fifteen through
twenty seventeen, then had another stint in twenty nineteen, so

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you managed to carve out quite the career really as
an undrafted free agent, very impressive.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
What was that initial time like for you in this league?

Speaker 3 (03:01):
It was it was rough. For me.

Speaker 4 (03:03):
It was rough only because I was my hardest critic.
I was my hardest critic, and my mom always told me,
you know, judge yourself the hardest. Don't let someone else
judge you harder than you judge yourself. So for me
man being undrafted, you know, getting calls on draft day
talking to teams like we want a draft you. You're
on our draft board. You're a second day type guy.

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I had, you know, good expectations that I was going
to be drafted. So when it didn't happen, immediately, I
had a chip on my shoulder. I was pissed and
I held on to that. So you asked why I
was able to play so long. It's because even going
into year twelve, I felt like the old eight kid.
I felt like I wasn't good enough, even when I
was the starter right one year I had, I gave

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up one sack the whole year, didn't make the Pro
Bowl and all of it. I just felt like I
was never good enough or they always were going to
replace me. And uh, it was few to my fire.
So I tell guys now when I talk to them, Hey,
make sure right you know why you're doing this. Make
sure that you're in this right for the right reasons,
because if you lose sight of that, you know why

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you're doing this or what's important to you. And I
promise you, it's gonna be over for you. You disrespect
the game, and it's over for you. I don't care
how good you are, all pro whatever. Soon as that
chink of on, that chink of the alma shows and
you disrespect the game a little bit, that's it.

Speaker 5 (04:25):
Wow, Chris Famously And I don't know if you ever
watched Hard Knocks in twenty fifteen, but one of the
moments in Hard Knocks is Rick Smith driving somewhere and
he's making the trade, basically consummating the trade to bring
you to Houston.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
I don't know if you've ever seen that.

Speaker 5 (04:43):
Yeah, if you have your thoughts on that, but also
just your initial thoughts when you come here to Houston
in twenty fifteen. You know, it's a team that you
ended up going to the playoffs that year, but it
was not the greatest team, but it was a team
that were grind To me, it was a pretty physical team.
But your thoughts about that moment seeing on a hard
knocks seeing kind of your life kind of play out in.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
A sense in the NFL, and then coming to Houston
for the first time.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
What was that like? So it was cool, man.

Speaker 4 (05:07):
So honestly, I didn't know I was being traded, but
it happened a week after we played you guys, right,
we played the Texans right in Denver, and you got
We threw in acept and I chased the guy down
It was like eighty yards. I forgot what the guy
name was, but I chased the defensive end that caught
the intercept down right, and if you give me five

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more yards, he out of cart right.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
But you know, that's why I ended up getting traded.

Speaker 4 (05:33):
And Bill O'Brien wanted me when he saw, you know,
as late as it was in the game, this offensive
lineman is running and actually trying to get this guy,
and he saw I had no That's what he told
me when I first got here.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
You had no quit in you. You were a leader.

Speaker 4 (05:47):
And so yeah, when I when I first got here,
and I knew about Dwayne Brown because we both eight
and played each other in college as well. So me
and me and Dwayne were pretty good friends. I knew Dwayne,
but I didn't know that he had he had like
broke his thumb, he eat cracked the bones or something
and stumb something like that happened. So I didn't know.

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He wasn't starting at the time and they needed a guy.
So when I got here, I was like, oh man,
I'm over here start because I was a starting right
tackle for Dinner at that time.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
Yeah, I'm like, so, how that's gonna work with d Wayne?
You know this and that.

Speaker 4 (06:19):
And then came in and they was like, yeah, you're
gonna start. I was like wait what so you know,
it's just one of those things. And found out everything
about what was going on with d Wayne in his
hand and uh yeah, we got to work. My first day,
they threw me in there against white merciless first rap.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
I mean, this was my first thing.

Speaker 4 (06:36):
Uh, one on one pass rush, you know, and I
beat him right and they was like, bro, we never
saw that happening with like that, you know. So I
was like yeah, because I had just played against him
in the precinct, so I knew a little bit about
his game and but yeah, it was it was just
one of those things. Man, while I was excited, and
it gave me a chance to be close to home.

(06:56):
Right originally from New Orleans, and you know, I've played
in Minnesota, Tampa, Denver. I've always been super for not
driving distance, so this was the first time I was
able to be driving distance from my family.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
And I would have almost twenty people at every game.

Speaker 4 (07:13):
It was.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
It was truly amazing tickets from all.

Speaker 4 (07:16):
Yeah, I lost money during the week, yeah, you know,
buying all those tickets up, but it was worth there
because my family didn't get a chance to see me play,
you know, because of the travel.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
We'll get into why you settled into Houston. But playing
left tackle and right tackle, you've done both. And we
saw Blake Fisher drafted last year and he's a right tackle,
I guess, but they were playing him at left during
training camp because Laramie was not available to practice, so
they said go over there left and try your luck

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with the starters. And we've seen it from time to
time with other players and Ursery who they just picked up. Well,
I don't know if he'll play left or not, or
right or guard. What do you think of all that?
Playing different positions on the old line, and how hard
is it to play left versus right because you're still
getting a fire breathing, speed, demon pass rusher whether you're
playing right tackle or left tackle in most cases in

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this league.

Speaker 4 (08:07):
Absolutely And for my guys that do know about it,
they know that it's super hard. It is not the
same thing. Yeah, you literally have to use different muscles.
Your strength and dominant hand is the other side now, So.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
It's it's it's it's a lot, right.

Speaker 4 (08:23):
It's imagine if you you play, you play tennis right
and you hitting the ball with your right hand, you
back handed you hitting it, and then now you break
your right hand, so now you can still do it,
but you have to train that left hand the same way.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
Right, So it would be really tough.

Speaker 4 (08:40):
You can still go out there and play because you
can move, but it would be a lot harder, right,
So I kind of it's kind of just like that,
and it's it's a thing that can be learned, but
you have to put into work. You have to be
a stickler about wanting to get better at that position.
And you know, I only know that because being undrafted.

(09:01):
You never know. If you're not drafted for that position,
you might as well, say you play everything because wherever
you need it, you have to go in and perform.

Speaker 5 (09:10):
Oh, guard center, sixth linemen as a tight end, gotta
do it all. There's no question. Okay, I'm gonna take
you back to something to bear with me for this.
So twenty fourteen, we go up to Denver for joint practices.
Things get kind of heated in one on once there's

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a particular defensive lineman on the Texans side and tackle
for the Broncos that were kind.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
Of getting into it a little bit. Yeah, the next.

Speaker 5 (09:40):
Year they ended up being teammates. So hey, what happened
with you and JJ Watt and fourteen? Those joint practices,
Now all of a sudden, you guys got to be teammates.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
Now your offense defense.

Speaker 5 (09:53):
I don't know how much you guys coexisted in the
same world being offense defense.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
But do you make amends? Do you discuss shit? Is it?

Speaker 5 (10:01):
Naw man, he's on my team, but I still don't
like him. How do you kind of handle a situation
like that, Chris, where you guys got he It got
heated with you guys in one on ones, But now
all a sudden, your teammates the next year.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
How do you go through that moment.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
Yeah, it was definitely a moment.

Speaker 4 (10:16):
You know, we got into it, man, and just like
you know guys that do it right, it's hot out there,
everybody's pissed off, and it's one of those things. And
I'm not going to go into the details about it
because it was it was, you know, one of those days.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
But you know, it happens.

Speaker 4 (10:32):
It happens on every team and you've seen it, and
it was it was it is one of those things
where they had to take him out of practice because
it was an ongoing thing, right, So the textans ended
up taking him out of practice because we kept getting
into it. Yes, I wasn't gonna stop. He you know,
it's just one of those things. And yeah, getting getting
uh coming here was a little strange, but uh, you know,

(10:56):
I was cool with it because once I'm done with something,
I'm done with it.

Speaker 3 (10:59):
And I thought he would have been the same way.

Speaker 4 (11:01):
But it lingered on a little while, and you know,
just being honest, he he didn't talk to me for
a while, okay, you know, and.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
Then you know it kept going.

Speaker 4 (11:10):
But we didn't have much conversation, but we were teammates
you know, at the end of the day. So I'm
sure you know, he knows how it is. And but yeah,
I mean, I don't think it's ever been mended to
be well.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
But you really, yeah, you kind of.

Speaker 5 (11:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
It is one of those telling you man.

Speaker 5 (11:29):
I listened to Seth Pay listened to Seth talk about
offensive lineman on the daily basis he hated.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
Offensive lineman on his own team.

Speaker 5 (11:37):
You know, it's like there's just something there when you're
in a physical one on one confrontation that I mean
is heated. And as as Seth would say about offensive lineman,
they did some sneaky stuff. And then I would imagine
from your side, defensive lineman did some sneaky stuff too.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
So if I produced JJ Watt right now, and I'm
not going to this is not like surprise game show stuff,
but if I did, you guys, would you guys bury
it now?

Speaker 2 (12:04):
Maybe? I mean yeah, I mean, he he probably said
it's nothing wrong.

Speaker 4 (12:09):
I don't even remember that, you know, something like that,
but you remember it, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
It's just one of those things.

Speaker 4 (12:15):
And when he had the ceremony, I came and he
shook my hand and everything like that. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,
it was all good. So a grown men, all right,
you get over it. It was just something that happened back
then or whatever. But knowing that just happened and then
he gets traded here, right, that puts a bad taste
in his mind. Yeah, so you know, just it's uh,
just one of those things.

Speaker 5 (12:34):
I'm telling you, those one on ones that oh you
remember watching those and I'm like, damn, And then I
remember when you got traded. I remember that was like damn, man,
Chris got after it that day.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
It's gonna be good, you know. I mean, like that's
what I pointed to, was like.

Speaker 5 (12:49):
There were there wasn't There weren't a lot of people
because JJ was coming off you know that fourteen season
where nobody blocked him, like nobody, I mean, like he
was you peak JJ, and yet you're getting after with
him in practicing, like man, it's gonna be good, you know.
And then we're seeing it all like play out on
Hard Knocks, which obviously is a week after. But I
remember when it was announced because we knew about you,
we knew. Guys were hurting me like now he's trade

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for Chris Clark. Yeah, but it's gonna be good and
it ended up being you know, you ended up being
a key piece on those offensive lines when we really
needed you. So but I don't think people really understand
like it gets.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
So like there're gonna be guys that do hold grudges.

Speaker 5 (13:27):
For the greatest of all time, Michael Jordan holds probably
one hundred grudges to this day for things that happened
because of what some guy said to media or what
some guy held him to ten points one.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
Night him and he's took that personally. Yeah, I mean
still to this day.

Speaker 4 (13:44):
Michael Jordan and Isaiah Thomas they don't speak. They do
not speak, and they're like enemies. And it was because
of he was in Detroit at the time and they.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
Used to beat up the team and the Dream Team
situation stuff.

Speaker 4 (13:58):
So, man, is one of those things, man, But yeah,
we're not that that right.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
But yeah, man, it's all good.

Speaker 4 (14:06):
I love the way you know, his career has gone
and it's been an amazing He's.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
A great dude.

Speaker 3 (14:11):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
So Chris Clark with us by the way, Texans Legends
community member and joining us in studio. We have a
lot to get to with you offensive line. We've talked
about this many times on this program, the togetherness you need,
and obviously they blew the thing up from last year,
three starters on the line from opening day gone.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
They bring in new guys, they draft.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
Mostly free agent acquisitions, trades, that kind of thing. What
do you make of it? What they're trying to put
together here? Our take is, hey, they're Tamiko Ryans. The
defense looks like Demiko Ryans, and maybe he wants the
offensive line to look like Demiko Ryans as well.

Speaker 4 (14:50):
What are you to have good offensive linemen? I'm be
honest with you. A good offensive lineman is a guy
that's aggressive, like a defensive lineman, has the same mindset.
That's what made me pretty good, right. I played defensive
end in high school. So being able to have that
mindset that killer. It's a different mindset between like offensive
line guys. There's usually nice guys, but then you meet

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those guys who very aggressive. You're like Jesus like, he
like he's like a defensive line right, So I feel
like that's what he's feeling the room with those kind
of guys and mean guys.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
Aggressive guys.

Speaker 4 (15:27):
But in order to be successful at offensive line, I
truly know that these guys have to have a great
relationship outside of this room, outside of this this locker room. Right,
if you're only being together being a unit when we
come to the meeting or you know, eating together, that's
not enough outside of here. You also have to have

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a brotherhood outside of the shield of the Texans, you know.
But you got to have the proper people in the
room to do those things. Like I played with Lerrman
nineteen when I came back, and you know, great guy.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
I loved him. We got along good.

Speaker 4 (16:03):
That was one of the reasons they brought me back
because I was one of the guys.

Speaker 3 (16:06):
I was able to bring the shawn.

Speaker 4 (16:08):
They brought me because they said, you can bring the
shawn back with the offensive lineman, right, because they literally
wasn't having conversation, so being able to be at peace, right,
because we had a relationship because I was here before
when he first got drafted.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
I brought him.

Speaker 4 (16:23):
He started showing up at old line dinners and all
of these different things. So the chemistry really right. I
was more of a leader in the room. I helped
him to lead that offensive line room. So he kind
of was a little brother to me, right, and I
was there for Hi because I was a guy, kept
my nose clean and did the right things, so exactly
to shake up that he's doing. And in Titus Howard,

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he has those same qualities. Titles will be able to
keep this room together. Scrugs is another one, right. I've
been around him a few times in off season, and
it was sad to see Kenyan gringo.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
But I told him before he got draft.

Speaker 4 (16:59):
I was actually with him before the draft, the day
before the draft, and I told him, I said, your
best knowing he was from here, I said, your best
scenario is to not go.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
To the Texans.

Speaker 4 (17:08):
I'm gonna be honest with you, and it's only because
I know how family can hinder you, right, It can
be a nuisance sometimes and you don't really be able
to get the same output out of that player that
you can get out out of the output in another city,
you know.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
And that's pretty much.

Speaker 4 (17:21):
You'll see him flourish, right, which will be good for
him and his family. That'll be good. But I do
like the trade that we made for going to Johnson
as well. Let me put that out there, right, He's
an aggressive guy. Leadership won a super Bowl. Now that
you've won a Super Bowl. Right, you've been there. You
know what the goal is. He'll be able to help
help these guys in the locker room who haven't been

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close to sniffing it. He'll be able to help these
guys know. This is what it's about. We're not training
to win the division. We're training to win in the playoffs.
We're training to win the last game, right, the last
man standing. When you have guys around you that's been
there and understand that it comes. This is what we
set in stone. This is what our team is built

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off of. And you get enough guys believing in that,
it's contagious, man, and I swear everybody will buy in,
and the younger guys coming in will buy in.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
So knowing, like I.

Speaker 4 (18:15):
Said, get back to the oh line. He's made some
good choices, he's made some great guys. We have a
great room. But I really think the shakeup was the
offensive line, not the players. I truly think it was
the offensive line coach, because you have to and I
didn't know him, but just watching him as a group,
the unison wasn't there.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
Right.

Speaker 4 (18:37):
I'm looking at the left guard and the left tackle.
They're not even talking, right, there's no conversation. I'm watching
them when they come over to the bench, what's happening.
They're not conversing and breaking down kind of like a debriefing.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
Right, you need these things as an offensive line.

Speaker 4 (18:50):
What's going on, Let's talk And if your leadership is
not doing that, then you won't be able to be
a connecting unit.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
So it's just one of those things. And that's the
little things.

Speaker 4 (19:01):
And right naw, I'm coaching little kids and I'm teaching
them that already.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
So yeah, like I told you, I had some some things.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
Going on, you know with the Ravens. I had mentioned
to you. But yeah, man, it's it's just one of
those things.

Speaker 4 (19:15):
I understand it a lot going through the fire, being
playing ball for over twenty years right collectively, and it's
just one of those things. But they you know, he's
shaking it up in the right way, Chris.

Speaker 5 (19:25):
One of the things that we talked about a lot
of people have talked about and I've heard this a lot,
and maybe it's semantics, but I'm going somewhere with this,
But everybody says, you know, the offensive line last year
was are very good? Now you trade larning me tunsel?
How is that line gonna get better? And I constantly
said to people like you take larning me Tunsseel off
an offensive line, you're gonna be less talented.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
There's no doubt.

Speaker 5 (19:49):
You take that guy off of any offensive line, you're
less talented. But making the other moves and the other
guys that now have to go in place, maybe the
chemistry gets better, or that you become a better overall
offensive line. Where it's not talented but not working together.
Maybe it's a little less talented but works way better together,

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you have a better offensive line. What do you think
about kind of that approach that yeah, you got talent,
but it's not working together. But now maybe a little
less talent, but if they work together, they can be
really good.

Speaker 4 (20:22):
Lare me Tons, I'm much start there. He great guy,
hard to replace. That's not the goal for the move
that was made. It's about building a relationship, like you say,
building chemistry, and you're absolutely right about, you know, losing
that guy and gaining something else.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
Larry me I kind.

Speaker 4 (20:41):
Of put him in a case in the same slot
as a Trent Williams or Dwayne Brown, right, meaning they
come to work, they're going to do their job. And
that's it, right, get out of my way, let me
handle the guy in front of me, and you'll be
excited with the results that we get at the end

(21:03):
of the day.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
And they handle that. They do that right now in return.

Speaker 4 (21:07):
Some people might see that as being selfish or but
the job is so hard. He's going to win his
individual matchup a lot. There's some guys you put next
to a guy like that can't flourish because he needs
another guy to help them. On every line, on each side,
there's a bus driver and there's a passenger. Right, you're

(21:30):
putting passengers next to Laramie Tunsul And what that does
is they can't they don't know where they're going, Right
am I making sense here?

Speaker 3 (21:40):
They don't know where they're going.

Speaker 4 (21:41):
So what you have to be you have to put
another bus driver next to him. So that's why you
saw when Titus came over the playguard. You saw that
side flourish, right you very Titus knows what he has
going on, how he needs to play this guy. But
when you put a younger guy next to a guy,
he needs that that connect with his bus driver, if

(22:02):
that makes sense, He needs that guy to tell him
what's going on, what do you see? That's what I
was good at, right, I wasn't larring me tunsel. But
what made me good my communication skills. You I was
almost a center playing left tackle.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
And well, I just wanted to throw this at you
in addition to what you're saying, because Dwayne said this
to us a long time ago that it took him
about three years to start figuring it out. Figuring things out?
Is that what you find with offensive linemen. It's that hard.
It's harder than people think. I just blocked the guy
in front of you. Come on, just push.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
Him out of the way. It's that hard.

Speaker 4 (22:43):
So it's it's hard, but it was more difficult for Dwayne.
He was a threat when he came in, being a
first round draft pick. There were already guys here lined
up playing tackle. So when he came in, no one
wanted to help him. No one wanted to teach him anything.
So he had to come in on the fly, learn
how to study guys on your own, learn how to
watch film on your own.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
So yeah, it took him three years to get that.

Speaker 4 (23:06):
But what that did was it hardened him to guys
that came after him. This is how I got it,
and this is how you have.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
To get it.

Speaker 4 (23:14):
Learn it for yourself, all right, versus me, I had
to came in a different way, made me a team guy,
you know. So it's just one of those things. And
some guys never realize until it's too late, right you're
going you retired like dang, I could have done more,
you know, And yeah, man, so that's why it was
hard for him.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
But yeah, it's it's truly hard to lock down a position. Chris.

Speaker 5 (23:36):
You talked about difference in playing left tackle right tackle,
significant difference.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
You mentioned Titus.

Speaker 5 (23:43):
So what Titus gets brought up and people are talking
about Titus, Well, does he play right tackle?

Speaker 2 (23:47):
Does he play left guard? It feels like those are
completely different.

Speaker 5 (23:51):
Planets, like being you're on the right side versus now
you're on the left side. Now you're not playing tackle,
now you're playing guard. Even if left tackle, I'm sorry,
left tackle to left guard. What is Titus going through
the transition if he does indeed stay at guard of
going from tackle to guard.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
I don't know. I don't think you played guard in.

Speaker 5 (24:13):
Your career if I did it in Minnesota, Okay, what's
that difference?

Speaker 3 (24:17):
Like it's a lot of difference.

Speaker 4 (24:19):
It's like it's like playing in that phone booth, right,
and he's a guy that can handle it.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
You think it's better for him to stay at guard
going forward.

Speaker 4 (24:28):
Titus is an athlete and we can put him wherever,
wherever we want to. He can manage, right. He has
great feet to be such a big guy. And I
mean we've seen him at tackle isolated doing this thing,
and we've seen him in the phone booth. I think
it goes down to preference and where is needed. We've
paid you to be our guy, and as our guy,

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we need you.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
Here, and he's going to do it. You know.

Speaker 4 (24:51):
It's just one of those things, right. He's a team guy,
Like I said, he's not a me guy. He's a
team guy. So you can build an offensive a great
offensive line with a guy that's willing to do with
the ex covin.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
Former Texans offensive lineman Chris Clark will continue the conversation.
Get into it about Peyton Manning. Chris was with him
in Denver during Manning's first trip to the Super Bowl
in the Mile High City, and a whole bunch of
other stuff on the old line and old line play
in general, and your Texans. It's all coming up. I'm
Texans Radio. Back to it on the show here, Mark
VanderMeer and John Harris, Chris Clark in studio with us

(25:25):
this week Outstanding visiting the Hunday Texans Radio studio. Let's
get back to the conversation. All right, So you're in
Denver with Peyton Manning. What's that like? What's it like
to be in the huddle with Manning? Manning at the
line of scrimmage, all the omaha stuff, all of that.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
What was it like with Manning?

Speaker 5 (25:41):
Oh, listen, Mark just wants you to say it was miserable.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
That's what Mark wants. Now, this will get edited out
if you go it was great.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
I'm telling you, Chris, So to be honest with you.

Speaker 4 (25:54):
More people being peyton left tackle, right, I ended up
having to be Peyton's left tackle. Brian Clayty ended up
going down against a second game of the year Jason
Pierre Paul, and so I had to finish.

Speaker 3 (26:09):
And that was the year we went to the Super Bowl.

Speaker 4 (26:10):
Right, So I had more people putting pressure on me
than I put on myself. I like I told you
from the beginning, my career was successful because I would
always be my hardest critic, and being in a room
with Peyton, I knew I was not going to let
the be the guy to let the team down, and
let Peyton down, knowing he coming off next surgery right

(26:32):
from Indy.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
Right, if he get hit one time, oh the season's over.

Speaker 4 (26:39):
That's how I felt being his left tackle, and put
I put the team on my back because I felt
like he can't get touched. And it was one of
those things. He was a general man. He was a
general and he demanded perfection because we'll have a scripted
out walkthrough, right, maybe twenty plays, right, every team does

(27:00):
a scripted walkthrough, and out of those twenty fifteen to
twenty plays, we might get through two in an hour.
And it was literally because he wanted to know every
single scenario if this happened. Okay, now, let's say the
running back come down and he goes in motion. You
know who we're looking at here, right, And he's not

(27:21):
just asking the offensive coordinator, but he's asking He'll be
the guy running the meeting, right, and he will ask
certain scenarios because he wanted dp protect it, right, So
he had to his everybody's awareness had to be heightened
like his. So we knew quarterback assignments, being running backs, linemen,
tight ends. We knew who the hot I was a

(27:43):
left tackle and I knew who the hot guy was, right.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
We were on.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
One accord at all times.

Speaker 4 (27:49):
So man, having that to I had never been around
that type of leadership.

Speaker 3 (27:53):
So that guy was truly.

Speaker 4 (27:55):
Amazing man and hands down, first battle Hall of fame.

Speaker 3 (27:59):
Everything that he got he deserves. Yes, Chris.

Speaker 5 (28:02):
One of the things when I'm going through doing my
draft reports, I look a lot of times for offensive
line in particular, and there's certain things you look for
and you know what they are. One of the things
I look for offensive line, especially interier guys. How much
did they wrestle? I love basketball playing. I remember Max Starks,
who I coached against in high school, way way way back.
He was a great basketball player. What did you what

(28:25):
other sports did you play other than football? And how
did they make you a better football player? He chose football,
But did you play other sports? And how did those
other sports impact you as the athlete and the football
player you became?

Speaker 4 (28:37):
So me, I hated football just to realiz yeah, I
hated it. I didn't find football.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
For new Orleans.

Speaker 4 (28:43):
Did you hated football? I was a big basketball player.
I love basketball. That's that's all I wanted to do.
My older brothers were doing it. This is just what
we were about. But I kept getting bigger, I kept getting,
you know, taller. It was like man, And then I looked.
I was like, Okay, I'm six five, but six five
is almost like point guards, point guards and shooting guards.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
You know.

Speaker 4 (29:03):
It's like, nah, I can't be a big man at
six y five, right, So you know, I was just
a freakish athlete, so it kind of transferred over to that.
I feel like you have to be really good at
basketball if you want to be a good lineman, right,
if you want to be an athletic linean, especially defense right,

(29:24):
because the some of the skills and drills go hand
in hand to what defenders are doing, defensive ends are doing,
or as a tackle going against a defensive end. I
need to know those moves. My body needs to have
similar right quirkiness.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
Right.

Speaker 4 (29:38):
So yeah, I feel like basketball is one of those things.
And if you're a skill guy, I feel like track.
I feel like track is one of those things for
skill positions you have to do not you want not
not that you need, you have to do it. It's
one of those things that you know to teach you
how to get to top notch speed and and a
dB getting that makeup speed right if he makes a

(30:00):
bad read or something like that, or get his eyes
caught in the backfield. That makeup speed is what the
track comes in at. So same as a receiver or
running back right, your breakaway speed. All of that matters
to coaches, and track is where you get it from.

Speaker 5 (30:13):
Okay, So at what point did you have that epiphany? Okay,
in football, when did you have that epiphany?

Speaker 4 (30:22):
I had that, like I said, when I started being
when I was when I joined the football t my
sophomore year. I just started playing organized football and sophomore
year in high school, right.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
No parkball, know any of that.

Speaker 4 (30:32):
And when I got out there and I was doing basket,
I was playing defensive end and to get past the lineman,
I was doing basketball moves, and I'm like, that's not
too bad, so yeah, man, And then one game I
went in and I got four sacks in one game
against you know, the scrambling quarterback who was doing everything
missed everything in New Orleans.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
So I did pretty good against him, and I was like,
you know what that was? This?

Speaker 4 (30:58):
Yeah, pretty much woken, you know, awaiting something to me
that I didn't know I had.

Speaker 5 (31:03):
I know how football coaches think. I could imagine when
you were freshman in high school, you couldn't walk down
the hallway for thirty seconds without football coach saying, hey, hey,
football practice, come on out, football practice. I would imagine
that happened to you daily when you.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
Were a freshman.

Speaker 4 (31:19):
It did, And it was tough because my older brother
was two years older than me when I was a freshman.
He was a junior. He was the star of the team.
So and I was bigger than him at that time. Wow,
So coaches were pissed that I wasn't playing, and like
he's in the gym every day and I just wanted
to play basketball.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
So my brother didn't. Kids like he's just a basketball player.

Speaker 4 (31:39):
And you know by that, my brother ended up convincing
me and I went out there, man and shoot end
up here.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
How good was it to play with your brother in
high school?

Speaker 3 (31:48):
Looking back, it was amazing, man, to be on the
field with him.

Speaker 4 (31:51):
Man, we still talk about it to this day, Like
we grew up close right and I'm making sure my boys.
I have three boys on my own that they grew
up and they help each other out right, always cheering
each other on. And but yeah, I definitely think it was.
It was amazing being able to play with my siblings
and play against him. I played against him as well.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
Oh yeah, he ended up going his senior year.

Speaker 4 (32:14):
He ended up going to another school that was more local, right,
that was known for getting scholarships and stuff like that.
So he went to a different school and I ended
up being my sophomore year, ended up playing against him.

Speaker 3 (32:28):
And yeah, he kicked my.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
Yeah he was.

Speaker 4 (32:33):
He made sure I was little brother, and everybody knew it.
So we talk about that as well. Man, I tell
people I wasn't the best in my family at all.
I wasn't even the best athlete in my family. But
I had that determination and will to will myself to
being great.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
Well, and that's you got to think, and you just
advertised it. I mean, that's the most important thing, right
as an athlete, as any kind of talented human being
in any field, right, it's putting your put the work
together to be successful. You were in this league for
over a decade. Chris Clark with US, and you're thirty
nine now, so you're young. You're a young man still,

(33:09):
but you're in the league for over a decade. That's
a heck of a career. What would your message be
to young players? Johnny and I are young players. What
are you going to say to the young exactly?

Speaker 2 (33:23):
Look as a kicker or a holder, you're gonna have
to do this.

Speaker 4 (33:28):
I would definitely tell you, guys to save your money.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
Right.

Speaker 4 (33:31):
I always looked at the NFL as an expensive temp service.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
Right.

Speaker 4 (33:37):
You make a lot of money, but you don't know
how long it's going to last.

Speaker 3 (33:41):
You're a temp.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
I love this. I love this. That is the perfect
way of putting it as perfectly. You don't you don't
know how long it's going to be.

Speaker 4 (33:49):
Some people use that not for long right acronym, But
for me, man, I just know nothing's promising. Just like
it was given, it could be taken away. So in return,
I yo, guys, save your money. What are you spending
it for? You're going to retire. I retired at thirty five.
How many people can say they're going to retire at
thirty five?

Speaker 3 (34:09):
Not many?

Speaker 4 (34:09):
Right, So you have to have a plan in place
before you exit.

Speaker 3 (34:15):
Right to know what you're going to get into.

Speaker 4 (34:17):
Me. I had a family, right. I was able to
dive into my family and what I had going on.
I had missed so much playing twelve years. I was
able to dive into my daily fatherhood and that helped
me so much. And you know, I had different invested
in certain things and businesses. So I had a lot

(34:37):
of things going on before I retired. So when I
did retire, I didn't have to go through this dry
phase most players go through over seventy percent six eighty
percent go through because when we're playing.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
Football, we're football players and that's it.

Speaker 4 (34:53):
We have other things going, but all of that's on
a back burner, you know, so you have to I
love the fact there are more programs, the NFLPA and
everybody they're putting out and helping players get in touch.
I know players on different teams they're doing acting gigs
before the season start, and you know that is going
to help them getting to possibly broadcasting or you know,

(35:14):
coaching or what acting, whatever they want to do. So
I encourage them and I push them to do more.
Get out of your comfort zone of just playing football,
and you're gonna be okay.

Speaker 5 (35:26):
So right now, Chris, what are you doing? What do
you want to do? You got a long life to live,
But what is it that you want to do?

Speaker 2 (35:32):
What do you want to accomplish going forward?

Speaker 4 (35:34):
For me, man, it's just about you know, being present, right,
being exactly where my feet off. That's my main thing
and right now for that is with my boys. Like
I said, I have a twelve, a ten, and a
six year old boy. You know, I pray for one boy.
Guy gave me three, So you know, every day I
don't take it for granted. It's one of those things.
So I am present, you know, and I kind of

(35:56):
grew up without my father. We're cool now, right, lives
in Houston, so we're good and we rekindled our relationship.
But you know, I was single, single mom, right, and uh,
it was tough for me. No one came to games,
no one came to college games.

Speaker 3 (36:12):
It was a lot. I did it all on my own, honestly.

Speaker 4 (36:16):
So I made it a vow to be there for
my boys in a way that I wish I had
that support. So between that and my wife has a
great business. She's doing home staging for realatiors. So like
interior decorating and stuff like that. So I help out
with that, you know when I can, and but doing
that and you know, coaching my boys, that's my main thing, right.

(36:37):
So because I was smart about my money, y'all might
laugh at me, but I drive the same truck I
had when I first joined NFL.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
I don't happen to how many miles are on this
one hundred and eighty Yeah wait, the NFL. It's not
it's not.

Speaker 3 (36:54):
But it wasn't my first purchase. That's that's the thing, right.

Speaker 4 (36:56):
I had a car and I just was I kept
that and my first purchase was this truck.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
It was like two years later something in twenty ten.

Speaker 5 (37:05):
Yeah, I got I remember when b Matt got here.
Remember when you got that big truck and then had it.
It was like all chromed out and big number.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
We stayed in the.

Speaker 4 (37:15):
Same neighborhood, so when he would pull out, I was like, bro,
you gotta it was too Like looking in the mirror,
I was like, dude, man, there's no laughing about that
that part of it.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
But like you having the same like that's like respect.

Speaker 5 (37:30):
I mean, because everybody how I get to do car,
especially I would imagine the guys you're around place like man.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
You wouldn't get rid of that away to that old truck.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
But I keep it.

Speaker 4 (37:41):
It's so nice, right, it's a it's an escalade, it's
the the avalanche version of the escalade, right, And I
keep that and I keep it clean, and I might
get it wrapped or you know, just certain things and
I keep it nice right for me, right, the interior is.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
Done all on the inside. So you know, it's one
of those things for me. Not my wife.

Speaker 4 (38:01):
She loves every new gadget comes. She might switch, she
might switch guards every year. So but but for me, man,
that's just that's home for me, and it keeps me grounded,
you know. And I don't know, I just let I
just let people know that my job never defined who
I was, right, Football never defined me. I was much
more still, much more than just the NFL player.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
So I don't value that stuff.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
And you're a New Orleans guy when you're a Houston guy.
So what's what's the pitch for Houston? Advertised Houston? For me,
the Texans are just Houston. Houston.

Speaker 4 (38:34):
Okay, Houston is a great city. I think it's a
melting a great melting pot. You know, you get the
best of every culture here. New Orleans is not that
it has its own culture, but Houston. I love it
because you can get a little bit of this and
a little bit of that flavor from different countries.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
As far as the nightlife.

Speaker 4 (38:54):
You get a whole bunch of different, uh cultures as well. Right,
So everyone comes here, everyone wants a piece of Houston.
Whether it's entertainers, but it's sporting events, comedian shows, it's
it's so much Houston brains man, and I love it,
you know, especially with Galveston being close.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
That's our little version of the.

Speaker 4 (39:16):
Water, you know. So yeah, yeah, we get it done.
We get it done, and it's growing so fast. I
hate it. It's like everybody got the secret, right. Everybody know, Hey,
come on to Houston, man, you you you know, the
living is pretty good. So I love it. I love
what we all. My boys love Houston. And opportunity is
at a high right now.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
Right.

Speaker 4 (39:38):
So that's that's one thing. Houston has really grown on me.
And I'm not going back.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
I've got one part Jamiko Ryans because I know you
know him. I mean obviously you know him, but you
didn't play with him, and you didn't play under him
when he was coaching, but you guys ran into each
other as former players. Tell us what you can about
that and your thoughts on him now as the head
coach of this team.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
So quick story.

Speaker 4 (40:02):
Retired, right, the Migo's retired, and we kind of liveing.

Speaker 3 (40:05):
We live in the same neighborhood, and uh so there's.

Speaker 4 (40:09):
A local soccer right, we're gonna get our kids involved
in and U we have my middle son and I
think his oldest are the same age, and uh they
were playing soccer together.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
So we just pulled up.

Speaker 4 (40:21):
Didn't know each other at the time, and we were
just talking about ball.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
I knew he was, he knew who I was, and
it was before he went to San Francisco.

Speaker 4 (40:29):
Yeah, so he was telling me, yeah, man, I'm thinking about,
you know, going up there.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
You know, I don't know if I want to do it.

Speaker 4 (40:36):
But his mentor was up there, right, So he ended
up going up there to help his mentor out. Not
sure who that was, but you know, he went my
backer coach, gotcha, So he went.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
Up there to help him out and do his thing.

Speaker 4 (40:47):
And you know, once you bit by that bug man,
he was a cool I played against the Migo in
college right when he was in Alabama, you know, and
he was that guy, like he was the guy that
just knew the play before we made the place, Like, dude,
were you in our huddle?

Speaker 2 (41:03):
You know?

Speaker 4 (41:03):
He just knew where the ball was going. He was fast,
he was electric, and he was a leader on the field.
He talked more than our quarterback, you know what I'm saying.
So yeah, man, he's a great guy. So when all
of this happened, and our wives they have mutual friends
and they became close.

Speaker 3 (41:18):
So yeah, it definitely works out.

Speaker 4 (41:21):
Man, and me being a part of this Texans community
and him being here has been amazing.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
So I love everything that they're doing here.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
That's Chris Clark, Texans offensive lineman from twenty fifteen through
twenty seventeen and twenty nineteen as well. So two stints
with Houston and a final segment with the Texans Legend
next here on Texans All Access. Final segment as we
get to our last questions with Chris Clark, Texans Legends
community member, former offensive lineman twenty fifteen through twenty seventeen

(41:50):
and also the twenty nineteen season.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
A lot of great stuff in this show.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
If you missed some of it, go back to the
podcast on Spotify wherever you get your podcasts, or the
Texans app as well.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
Well.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
Final thoughts here in our visit in the Hyundai Texans
radio studio with Chris Clark.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
You're slim down from your playing way.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
I mean it look great. It as looked like a
former NBA player.

Speaker 3 (42:13):
That's what I'll tell everybody.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
You love basketball, so this works for you.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
But you're like one of these lines in like Wade
Smith or Steve McKinney from the early days or guys
that are really slim down that played on the old line.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
So tell us what that took for you to make
it happen.

Speaker 4 (42:27):
So when I retired, I had a lot of things
going body was beat up, you know, like I said,
just after twelve years, right, that's a lone career playing
left and right. So I had torn both laborms in
my hips and everything was My hips were just like
bone on bone. So I was struggle getting up in
the morning and doing things. I'm three hundred plus pounds and.

Speaker 3 (42:47):
It was it was just tough.

Speaker 4 (42:48):
But I still had the work ethic that I had
as a player, right, So went to the doctor I'm
going through these things with the NFL, trying to figure out.
I can badly walk and it's hard to get up
in the morning. I go to the doctor. He said, hey,
you need double hip surgery. He said, but I'm not
You're too young for I'm thirty five. He said, you're
too young for that. He said, I'm not doing surgery

(43:10):
on you. Lose weight, and I said, all right, So
I went and I hit it. I hit it hard
as if you know, I was still playing. I didn't
do anything extra. I just worked out the way I
worked out when I was playing. But I was eating less, right.
I started eating more fish, more seafood, more things off
the ground that's supposed to go on your body, not

(43:30):
the chips and you know, the bad carbs, so that
I didn't do a whole lot extra. I just I
had more of a seafood based diet. And when it
came you know, meats or whatever. And sure enough, man
doing that and I started losing weight. And I worked
out in the peak of the day when the sun
was out. I made sure so not only was I

(43:51):
burning calories from working out, the sun was burning me
as well. And I mean, once I got it, going in.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
About three weeks.

Speaker 4 (43:59):
It took about three weeks start seeing, you know, like
the weight to scale the move right after that, it
was I was losing almost five three to five pounds
a day a day the day, and it was just
it was sliding off me. My body was just getting
rid of anything bad that I put in. I started
eating clean and once I saw it roll and I

(44:19):
got down to two twenty, and I scared myself. Yeah,
I scared myself. You know, I had the big head.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
You know, you get the people you see people.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
With the big head with the small about it.

Speaker 4 (44:27):
I started looking you start looking sick, right, You've seen that.
So I was like, you know what, this this too much.
I scared myself. I started eating. So I got back up.
I'm about two fifty now and I feel great. I
feel amazing and it has really, really truly helped me.
So that's the best thing I could do. So anybody listening,
big guys, big girl, doesn't matter. Retired a get out

(44:51):
there and move your body, lose the weight. I promise
you all of the health conditions you have will go
away in a minute.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
So yeah, okay, I got I got one man, all right.

Speaker 3 (45:01):
First of all.

Speaker 5 (45:03):
When I was growing up because I have a size
almost size eight ahead, they used to call me a
hundred wa because I looked like a light bulb. So
I understand that plight. Yeah, you have to come up
with you play twelve years in the league. Teammates, I
want you starting basketball five.

Speaker 3 (45:23):
Oh that's tough.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
Wait NFL guys.

Speaker 5 (45:27):
Of the guys, his teammates in the NFL teammates, I
want your basketball starting five. You're one of them, of course,
so you're one of them. You pick your spot, yeah,
fill it out. Shooting point guard, shooting guard, small forward,
power forward, and you're big.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
Okay, my big is going to be me. I'm the five. Okay,
you're the five.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
Star would be Dwayne Brown.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
Okay, yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
Wayne was a freak. Yeah he was a freak.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
He banged around.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
My three would be Julius Thomas.

Speaker 4 (45:58):
Oh yeah, yeah, okay in Denver for basketball sixth form
of basketball in Portland State.

Speaker 3 (46:05):
Yeah he was, he was, Yeah right.

Speaker 4 (46:10):
My two would be uh Tim Tebow Wow, wow, Tim
I forgot Man team.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Oh man, that's a who.

Speaker 4 (46:23):
When got drafted, you got to come back next so
this man, people don't really Tim was six three hell,
he was a I mean three sixty windmill duncan coast
to coast, get the rebound, come down windmill dunk. Yeah,
he was that guy between traffic. He was really good,

(46:43):
really super explosive, super one leg, two leg dunkin whatever
you wanted. And I found all that out doing the lockout, right,
doing the lockout. You had to back in twenty ten,
you had to go do something to to train. So
me and Tim was training together every day, and uh,
basketball was part of our train Yeah. And your point guard,
my point guard. My point guard would be Tracy Porter. Okay,

(47:09):
Tracy Porter, pig six, Tracy Porter. Uh. He was one
of those guys that played basketball as well point guard,
getting people where they get need to go. So he's
still good to this day, right, and I see him,
you know, you know, just dribbling the ball right, certain things.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
Like oh you can still you still have us.

Speaker 4 (47:30):
So yeah, he was a guy that was really good
back in when Denver. I remember him playing with the
ball a lot all the time.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
I'm talking about it.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
So that would be my five man five.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
Yeah, I chickered five. I did not expect t Bo
in that mix at all.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
That's gonna do it with our visit with Chris Clark,
Legends community member, former Texans offensive lineman. All the Texan
shows from this week, including our great show with Frank
Ross on Tuesday, are in podcast for him already. Some
of it you can catch on our YouTube page as well.
We'll consume all that during the Memorial Day weekend. Have
a great weekend as we remember those who paid the

(48:06):
ultimate price for our country. We will have a show
on Monday, by the way, and a personal note, I'll
be up at Margaritaville Saturday night with Billy D.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
Washington.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
He's doing a comedy thing and I'm gonna do a
guitar thing with some other stuff and we'll see what
happens eight o'clock at Margaritaville Saturday night. So looking forward
to that, among many other things. Have an outstanding weekend.
Go Texans.