June 27, 2025 • 23 mins
The final "In the Lab" features Team Analyst/Radio Sideline Reporter John Harris saying goodbye to Texans TV's Drew Dougherty. Those two talked about what's next for Drew, the fun times they had with the Texans and a whole lot more.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
In the Lab, a Texans podcast that takes a different
look at things. Drew Doherty and John Harris have their
lab coats and goggles on and the Bunsen burners burning.
Here's Drew.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello there, welcome to in the Lab. I'm Drew Doherty,
You're John Harris, and you are you. Thank you you
for joining us. It's the three of us here on
this little old podcast that John is coming up on
seven years of age. We started this in twenty eighteen
in the season.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
I believe, right, I think I believe it was.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yeah, it's like, hey, maybe it was doing this and
maybe it was seventeen.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
I don't know. Maybe it's coming up on eight years,
but nonetheless I think it was seventeen. Anyways.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Yeah, point is, we've done this a long time, almost
on a weekly basis.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
There have been some times where you know, we miss.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
A few weeks in some odd spots, but many every
week during the season, most weeks in the off season.
And this is the last one we'll do because I'm leaving.
I'm headed to a new gig where we're shooting this
on Thursday, releasing this on Friday. I am gonna go
to my alma Mater Straight Jesuits where I graduated high
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school back in the nineties, and it's kind of it's
not kind of it. It is a place that shaped
who I am. A lot of what I did TV
wise was kind of drawing on the Shenanigans that I
did back then. At s JET Straight Jesuit Educational Television,
That's what I'm gonna be doing. I'm gonna be running
s JET as the director there and then teaching some
history classes, which people around the Texans joke and that
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guy's always teaching history.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
He's always lapping on this.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
So hopefully it's a nice, seamless transition. But I'm really excited.
This is a prayers answered type of situation. I'm gonna
miss you, I'm gonna miss this podcast. I'm go miss
a lot of things about the Texans. But it's just
such a fantastic opportunity. And I've talked about this offline
with you a bunch. You've You've been such an awesome
supporter of mine, and I'm pumped. I'm really pumped. On
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August fourth is my first day on the job. August
thirteenth will be my first day in the classroom, so
I'm sure Shenanigans are going to ensue over the next
few years, and.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
I can't wait.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Man.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Yeah, I got a feeling that in a good way,
you'll hear from me on August twelfth, the night before,
because when you think about going to that classroom for
the first time and you see all these youthful faces,
there'll be that moment of oh god, yeah. But you
know I went Now, I went through that as a
twenty two year old, and and I was teaching some
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kids that were literally two years I mean, I taught
some kids there are now fifty and it's kind of
mind blowing in the sense to think back and there's
there are so many things to say and try and
say it with without kind of breaking up, which I'm
doing now. But when you came in with this podcast,
(03:04):
I'll be honest with you, I was kind of mad
at you. I was like, dude, I've got like all
these radio shows that we're already doing, Like why the
hell are we doing a podcast now?
Speaker 5 (03:15):
Like what what the hell?
Speaker 4 (03:18):
But I was like, you know, it's Drew, so it's
gonna be awesome, So just you know, shut up and
go with it. And the first one that we did
was some incantation of if you could take two former
oilers and put them on the Texans, what would it?
Who would they be? And I like, all of a sudden,
I was in. I was like, okay, this is the
concept of our podcast. We're in, you know, cause we
(03:40):
got to geek out and nerd out, and I knew
I would always be happy because I was doing it
with you. But the flip side of that was, you know,
I remember coming home and kind of telling Paige about it.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
She's like, well, you know, is is that too much?
Speaker 4 (03:53):
They're already asking you to do this, this and this,
And I was like, I was like, babe, it's with Drew.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
Like it'll be cool, it'll be fun.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
It'll feel like we're just you know, chopping it up
about you know, former drafts, redrafts, you know, comparing foods
to superheroes to Texans, and you know, it'll it'll be fun.
And I, you know, I I'm one of those and
I don't. I don't want to be this way, but
I always think about I don't. I never want to
think about the end, but I do because I think about,
(04:21):
like I love doing this so much, Like what's that
last episode? Like you know, what's the last radio show? Like,
what's the last game? Like in some sense, and it's
it's always kind of frustrated to think that way. And
then you're like, nah, you know it'll be okay. Just
kind of roll with it. And then you know, when
we had determined I'm actually I'm out in La.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
They came out here for my my daughter's birthday, and
well twofold I came out here for my daughter's birthday.
And then I got hired by Page Harris Incorporated to
drive all of her painting stuff back, which I have
no no idea How'm gonna get all that stuff back
in our car because I drove it out of here
four years ago for them have out here, and so
(05:00):
now I'm driving that car back either way.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
So I got it for a double reason. And then
you know, you and I had talked because you had
been out.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
You had been out, and then I came here, and
so then you send me a text and said, yo,
let's do in the lab and I just remember it
hitting me like okay, this is the last one, and
I was like, ah, damn. So I will hold it
together as best I possibly can. I know you and Mark,
you know, are sitting down on Friday for a segment
for Radio But I'm gonna play this Thursday on Radio
two because it's you and me and we're the we
(05:30):
are the the nexus of in the lab.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
We are the you know, we are in the lab.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
And so I will play this Thursday night after John McClain,
as I typically would do throughout the week, and it
was it was always so much fun doing it. I
don't know if there were times, you know, even in
twenty twenty, twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two, when it
was like what is going on?
Speaker 5 (05:51):
And you and I.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
Would put on a brave face and get onto mics
and put the cans on and just start talking about
Texans and start talking about wild stuff with the Texans,
and you know, think a dream of a day when
it would get turned around. And then it started toning
twenty twenty three and you know, you and I within
the lab we started, you know, we we celebrated that,
and it was always it was always great. I cannot
think and I remember I was the first one I
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think that put the bug and then may have had you,
may have had others, but I remember when you and
I talked, you know, if you, probably a couple of
years ago, just you know, about the future and such.
I remember thinking, because I always think about, you know,
I spent my first seven years in private schools, and
I always think about, you know, if somebody came to
me with some sweetheart deal and wanted me to be
the head master of a school, you know, I'd have
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to put together a staff, and you know what people
would I want on my staff and all that kind
of stuff.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
And You've always been one of those people at the
top of my.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
List that I would immediately say, Okay, what would it
take to get you to come over to this school
with me? Because there's so many things that you needed
a school and kind of like, you know, you know
JJ Watt in a sense, how many of those can
drew Phil Well, Like if you this and this and
this and this and this, and he's a guy that
I trust in love inherently, so he would be perfect.
And so you know when you you told me that
(07:03):
this opportunity was available for you and that you were
taking I was just like I I was. I was pumped,
and I was pumped for you. I was pumped for
the kids that you're gonna be around every single day
and when who they're learning from. It's just it's it's
the perfect fit in my mind for you. I just
you know, hate the fact that you know, you and
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I won't be able to do in the lab every
week and amongst other things. But since we run into lab,
we'll start with that one.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
No, it's uh, it's really funny. It kind of came
about a couple a couple of months ago because my
wife had the great idea. She's like, why don't you
try and do a summer sports media camp, like a
day camp. Yeah, from eight to noon, Monday to Friday,
one week and you can take some field trips and
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you can have some experts talk to the boys and yah,
pitch that idea to the folks at straight Jesuit and
I had pretty solid list of guests that we came
in and places we got to go and things that
they got to see. And I think that that got
some wheels turning in the minds of the folks over there,
and it all came together pretty quickly in May, and yeah,
(08:15):
I'm headed back and it's it's a it's a really
competitive place. I mean, it was always fast, who's the smartest,
who's the funniest who's right this blah blah blah. So
it's gonna be fun to get back there, uh you
know doing I did the Deer Drew videos there for
a few years, and that was that was s jet Man,
that was it was us screwing around back when I
used to interview the homecoming court and we had them
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saying goofy inn you know, goofy thing in the mid nineties.
I mean it, it's really fun. It's really a great place.
And uh it's changed a lot, as you would expect
over the course of thirst, but it hasn't shp at all.
And that's that's the exciting part about it for me.
So I'm looking forward to going there and looking forward
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to uh, meeting, meeting and reconnecting with some people who
were there when I was there, who taught when I
was there, and then there was a whole.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
That's that's always a fun one that when.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
You tell when you walk in, yeah, you know, And
here's one of the things when you when you when
you're out of school, it's always you know, coach the
coach is easy because for me, like I call anybody
that's a coach, I call them coach.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
It's always it's always been coach.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
But when I had math teachers, you know missus Han,
you know my English teacher, English teachers, Miss Falan, Miss Morris,
like I would see them as an adult, like I
went to go do a I went to go do
a speech. My my English teacher, Miss Fhalan Maxine Phalen
was getting a school named after her, and I was
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They were well, I should say, they were trying to
get her. And so they were like, hey, would you
come speak about her for five minutes to the school
district And I said absolutely, So I went in. I
did that. That was in twenty nineteen, so it's before COVID.
So they go this long stretch time without she gets
to school and they were like, okay, we're going to
dedicate the school on this day. Would you come out
to Richard Rosenberg and you know, dedicate this or speak
to to everybody.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
I said absolutely.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
And I see her and it's like, hey, miss Falin,
and I'm like, you know, here I am, you know,
nearing my fifties and I'm calling my English teachers still
Miss Faling. You know, I can only imagine what it's
gonna be like to maybe work next to some of
those people that you you know, had called you know,
mister Hall, miss Jones, and all of a sudden you
got to say, hey, Catherine, you know it's gonna be.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
It's coach Crowley. There's a guy.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
He's the closest thing to a big brother. Uh yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
He was my cross country and track and field coach.
He taught history when I was there. Since then, he's
been the athletic director. He's been the dean of students,
He's taught other classes, he's had of rules.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
He's the athletic director again now. Uh.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
He was instrumental in making this all happen. But I
called coach Crowley and you always say that around people
there now and they'll kind of turn their head, like, coach, Yeah,
that's my coach. He's a hell of a coach. Uh yeah,
but I think most of them know him as mister
Crowley or yeah, you know whatever, but as a coach
to me. So I'm looking forward to getting back, and
(11:06):
it's gonna be really really fun.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Still gonna be here on game days.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
I'll be up in uh press box booth, helping out
some of the folks on the game day entertainment side
and nice there, so, and you and I are gonna
be I'm gonna be hitting you with random texts here
and there. Oh yeah, Siper Kate, and we might have
some other little ventures cooked up a time or two
in the in the feud.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
Never know, never never know.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
Yeah, it's funny because you you never you never you
never say never. Yeah, I think I learned. I learned
that actually at you know, private school. I remember when
I was leaving the private school. I just remember, uh thinking,
you know, okay, that's it. I'm never never doing that.
I remember my wife saying, eh, you you never know,
you never know what might happen. And so when I
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got to Houston and started doing radio in two thousand
and seven, I wasn't making a lot of money with it,
and you know, not as much as I thought I
was gonna make. And so a new not new school,
but a school that had been opened, was opening a
high school and.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
Called the Village School over on the West side. Yeah,
and they were opening a high school.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
And I remember my wife was going to apply for
you know, some some sort of position. Obviously she grew
from being you know, part time art to basically like
the second or third command over there.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
I mean, she was instrumental in that place.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
And so I remember sitting thinking around going you know,
I wonder, you know, male math teachers aren't the easiest
thing to find. I wonder if I offer up, you know,
kind of a part time thing, you know what. They
let me teach in the morning and then I go
to radio in the afternoon, and they were for it,
and so I went right back and I did it
for a couple of years where I was teaching in
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the morning and then I was doing radio in the afternoon.
So it's like one of those things where you never
say never, and you know, it's like with in a lab.
You know that it may not be the last one,
might be. It may not be, you know, may not
be the last time.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
Year Drew and I together. Maybe it may not be.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
You know.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
It's kind of that that fun thing you never say never.
You never closed doors. And obviously when you you you know,
have people you love you always telling me you love them,
and you're one of those people that you were family
to me and to the Harris kids. I know when
Jack always came in a building. There was a time
where Jack was coming in to the building with me
a lot school was not going well, and I remember
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you would.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
Walk in, hey Jack, and Jack was just Jack would
just light up. You were always great with him.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
So I can imagine these kids are getting a great
one man, and I'm looking forward to seeing how that
goes and what that what that's like for you. But
this podcast has been sometimes you'd walk in and you're like,
you know, like, okay, what are we gonna do with
the podcast?
Speaker 5 (13:33):
And you're like, yeah, just just dance with me. I'm like,
you'll know what to do. I'm like, okay, all right,
let's go.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Then those that end up being some of the best
in the labs because we would you know, we would redraft,
you know, catchups or you know Texans that could have
gone to other places or came from other places that
should have been Texans, and you know, players from the
city of Houston that went to other places that would
be Texans all that. So it was always kind of
fun because it always like peaked my creativity in my thought,
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you know, about what could be, you know, as opposed
to what was or whatever.
Speaker 5 (14:05):
The case might be. So it was always really good
to do that.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Okay, so let's talk about a few of my favorite things.
What we used to do together that we did here.
So I loved road trips. Yeah, like when we get
some dinner. Sometimes I didn't. I didn't always go out
to dinner with you guys, because like, yeah, we've got
family and different places. I got friends in it, so
I'd meet up with them, blah blah blah blah. Sometimes
I just stay because I have forty eight children at
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home and I'm tired. I've got a little bit of
a cold, and I.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Yeah, but I love the things.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
I love the most about road trips was after the game,
getting on the plane. Plus but the plane because inevitably
I'd either be sitting in your row with you, yeah,
right by you and breaking down what just happened, but
good or bad, you know, and lots of good times
because you've been doing this since you've been with us
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since fourteen, right for lots of good times. Lots of
bad times too. But I love just like the behind
the scenes, like did you see this, yeah, fourteen quarterback
hits and you know, like going through things and breaking
it down kind of the way you and I would
break down, just and like the little offshoots and what
happened here? And this guy said this here and I
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heard this and blah blah blah blah blah blah. I
love that that. It was a time right before takeoff
as your bag up, you sit down and just like that,
sometimes five minutes, sometimes thirty minutes, you know, put your
stuff up and talking the behind the scenes, like the
info and the the kind of the filler material that
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you got. Ye so rich in those those times. I
love those.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
It was really the first time on that Sunday or
whatever night were there night we were playing that you
really kind of let your hair down because you and
I even on the bus to the airport, you and
I would be cranking out some sort of.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Article like a tyrannosaurce rex cause yeah, like you're like
just HIPing like this. Yeah, you know invariably, you know,
I hope that scene right there that they got, Ope
that's the thumbnail for us.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Yeah, because you're literally just clocking keys and you got
like people nextually you're like you're trying to and you're
trying to send it, and you look, Okay, how much
further do we have to the airport?
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (16:14):
Can I finish this? Okay, I gotta send it. Do
I have Wi Fi? Who's got who's going. So we're
actually working all the way up until literally we were
getting off the bus to get on a plane, and
it's kind of the first moment of like, okay, all right,
what happened? And then you start going through the game
and and parts, you know, the moments of it, and
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you know, invariably, you know, we'd be, you know, an
hour into the flight and one of us, you know,
we we might even still be working at that point,
and one of us would kind of nudge the other
like hey, and we'd have this we'll call it game
book and all its stats.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
I remember this one.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
We were coming back from Cleveland and fourteen and we'd
beaten Cleveland. There's a lot of things that happened that day,
but wat was incredible, unbelievable. And I remember looking to
you and it showed you the statu sheet and I
was like, he's got a number in every column.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
Yeah, it's incredible, I think. And then of course there
was the offensive.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Pender guests I think hitting the statistical buffet. He got yeah, salad,
he got jello, he got yeah right.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
It was amazing, got okra.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
He hit everything in the every statistic in the in
the game. But we've talked about this before on this podcast.
But yeah, he yeah, that was a fun one.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
That was it was that was incredible. And so there
was those moments on a plane, you know. And and
also there would be moments. I remember in twenty fifteen,
you and I were sitting next to each other and
we were on a plane. We got an email a
lot of times this happens, we want to play going
to a game. We're going to Jacksonville in twenty fifteen,
and we were sitting next to each other and we
look down because we get the same notice at the
same time and it says JJ Watt.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
Is questionable with illness. Yeah, and we just looked at
each other like we're we're screwed, like this is not good.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
And it was probably about ten to fifteen minutes later
he comes rolling he at this At this time, we
sat at the front of the plane. He comes by us.
He's got shades on it. You can just see it,
and we're like, oh god, you know, And it was
like those things that we would see that we knew about.
And I just remember, you know, not looking at you other,
like when we mouthed some bad words to one another.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
Went on a field. He played the whole game.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
I remember he puked right out of my shoes after
a j Boyot finished the game with the interception.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
He puked right on my shoes or right near my shoes,
just like exhausted.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
And it was it was one of his worst statistical games,
but he played really well because that Jack's will focused
everything on him. But I remember you and I would
have some of those moments too, sitting on a plane
and just you know, seeing players go by. So what's
Arian Foster wearing today? Oh, he's wearing a you know,
an Indian outfit. And then Deep would pipe in and go, yeah, that,
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I like that. You know that, my my husband has that,
or I have a friend that wears that.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
Or something like that. I'd be like, okay, you know.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
So it was always kind of we always had those
moments planes, but I always thought it was kind of fun.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
You'd see a little bit of behind the scenes stuff.
You know.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Another thing I loved game days sidelines. I wasn't always
on the sideline road games. Last few years. I was
on the sidelines for home games. Yeah, road games every
once in a while when the Texans would close them out.
I take we take a selfie together, you know, yeah,
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I think it was I think it was that bitter bitter,
the coldest one I've ever been to. You've been to colder,
but the coldest one I've ever been to was that
at Tennessee, I think two three years ago, Yeah, day
before Christmas, and that was Yeah, that was a fun one.
And then home games, I just a lot of times
I just come up and stand beside you, you know,
while you're you're watching, I'm watching. But there's just always fun,
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you know, being near you on those game. And then
also coming back from practices, I was enjoyed the conversation.
And then every once in a while we're walking, I'd
kind of look over the side and see you walk
in and then I'd start stepping on every single crack
because it would erupt your ate, your your OCD, and
You're like, still do this. I go crack it. Yeah, yeah,
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And I get you going.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
I am very I am very o CD that way,
and so I step over, I step over cracks. I
do not want uh like cracking my Yeah, And so
I just remember one day you stepping on all I'm
not saying anything at first, and then finally you said
something like, you know, hey, I'm stepping on these cracks.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
And I finally was like, you are doing it on
purpose but doing it so yeah, it was that.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
He used to like, man, you got me, but yeah,
it was uh and I think that's what what Uh.
So life's supposed to be. Man, you feel every single
emotion every single day, and the people that make you
feel those are the ones you you keep the closest
to you, and you definitely have been one of those
since even before twenty fourteen. I remember it was funny
because when I went to the initial Bill Obryant press
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conference in twenty fourteen, I remember you you came up
to me and you were like, Hey, do you.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
Think we're gonna do more analytics? How do you think
this thing goes?
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Like?
Speaker 4 (21:01):
You know, knowing that I knew Bill, you know you
were trying to that was really kind of the first
time I think we had we maybe met before that,
but we kind of kind of chit chat at that point,
and you know, a few months later you were unfortunate
enough to have me in your building, a former former
O'Brien disciple, like near you. But but yeah, it was
always always the the ideas we had in the lab.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
You know. One of the other things that we got
to do was you know Texas Bowls. UH killed Texas
kickoffs and.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
You and I would be up on the board and
that was all. That was always a good time. I
always felt bad for people. You have to see my
big head up there. But we would get texts like
we would get text from people like hey man, I'm
in the building and then they took a picture of
you and I and you know, my wife used to
get those when she was at home, like.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
Heym in the building, I saw your husband Withdrew, and
so I.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Love that we did.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Probably we did probably twenty games combined of those and
I think half of them either involved Mike Leech and
or Urgerson, which is awesome.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
I love both.
Speaker 6 (21:56):
Yes, yeah, because we I mean we knew you you
know the game, you know college football, but I do
a lot of background on those two guys, so it
was fun to Yeah, and the other guys were cool too,
that from the other teams, but do in particular.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
We loved those conversations about and everything that came along
with it. So yeah, go on and on forever, your
dear friend. I've loved doing THEAST We hope you have
have enjoyed watching or listening to this podcast over the years.
It's been a lot of different things, a lot of
weird things, and I'm gonna miss doing it. It was
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always a thrill to do this. It's always a fun
part of my week. And uh, like I said, we
might have something cooked up down the line.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
Yeah, you never know.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Love you very much, and I will see you soon.
I know your friend. You're not gonna We're not we're
not saying goodbye. We're just saying so long right now.
And be safe coming back to LA or coming back
and just don't step on any cracks.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
Okay, Yeah, I'm so glad that I got up.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
I woke my ass up to uh in La because
it's still dark thirty around here.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
So uh yeah, it was good man, but I yeah,
I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
And the first crack that you step on as you're
walking down the hallway, you will have a chuckle thinking
of me.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
So that's good.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Indeed, I will all right.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
This has been in the Lab presented by Infinity one
final time.
In the Lab, a Texans podcast that takes a different
look at things. Drew Doherty and John Harris have their
lab coats and goggles on and the Bunsen burners burning.
Here's Drew.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello there, welcome to in the Lab. I'm Drew Doherty,
You're John Harris, and you are you. Thank you you
for joining us. It's the three of us here on
this little old podcast that John is coming up on
seven years of age. We started this in twenty eighteen
in the season.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
I believe, right, I think I believe it was.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yeah, it's like, hey, maybe it was doing this and
maybe it was seventeen.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
I don't know. Maybe it's coming up on eight years,
but nonetheless I think it was seventeen. Anyways.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Yeah, point is, we've done this a long time, almost
on a weekly basis.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
There have been some times where you know, we miss.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
A few weeks in some odd spots, but many every
week during the season, most weeks in the off season.
And this is the last one we'll do because I'm leaving.
I'm headed to a new gig where we're shooting this
on Thursday, releasing this on Friday. I am gonna go
to my alma Mater Straight Jesuits where I graduated high
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school back in the nineties, and it's kind of it's
not kind of it. It is a place that shaped
who I am. A lot of what I did TV
wise was kind of drawing on the Shenanigans that I
did back then. At s JET Straight Jesuit Educational Television,
That's what I'm gonna be doing. I'm gonna be running
s JET as the director there and then teaching some
history classes, which people around the Texans joke and that
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guy's always teaching history.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
He's always lapping on this.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
So hopefully it's a nice, seamless transition. But I'm really excited.
This is a prayers answered type of situation. I'm gonna
miss you, I'm gonna miss this podcast. I'm go miss
a lot of things about the Texans. But it's just
such a fantastic opportunity. And I've talked about this offline
with you a bunch. You've You've been such an awesome
supporter of mine, and I'm pumped. I'm really pumped. On
(02:06):
August fourth is my first day on the job. August
thirteenth will be my first day in the classroom, so
I'm sure Shenanigans are going to ensue over the next
few years, and.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
I can't wait.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Man.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Yeah, I got a feeling that in a good way,
you'll hear from me on August twelfth, the night before,
because when you think about going to that classroom for
the first time and you see all these youthful faces,
there'll be that moment of oh god, yeah. But you
know I went Now, I went through that as a
twenty two year old, and and I was teaching some
(02:43):
kids that were literally two years I mean, I taught
some kids there are now fifty and it's kind of
mind blowing in the sense to think back and there's
there are so many things to say and try and
say it with without kind of breaking up, which I'm
doing now. But when you came in with this podcast,
(03:04):
I'll be honest with you, I was kind of mad
at you. I was like, dude, I've got like all
these radio shows that we're already doing, Like why the
hell are we doing a podcast now?
Speaker 5 (03:15):
Like what what the hell?
Speaker 4 (03:18):
But I was like, you know, it's Drew, so it's
gonna be awesome, So just you know, shut up and
go with it. And the first one that we did
was some incantation of if you could take two former
oilers and put them on the Texans, what would it?
Who would they be? And I like, all of a sudden,
I was in. I was like, okay, this is the
concept of our podcast. We're in, you know, cause we
(03:40):
got to geek out and nerd out, and I knew
I would always be happy because I was doing it
with you. But the flip side of that was, you know,
I remember coming home and kind of telling Paige about it.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
She's like, well, you know, is is that too much?
Speaker 4 (03:53):
They're already asking you to do this, this and this,
And I was like, I was like, babe, it's with Drew.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
Like it'll be cool, it'll be fun.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
It'll feel like we're just you know, chopping it up
about you know, former drafts, redrafts, you know, comparing foods
to superheroes to Texans, and you know, it'll it'll be fun.
And I, you know, I I'm one of those and
I don't. I don't want to be this way, but
I always think about I don't. I never want to
think about the end, but I do because I think about,
(04:21):
like I love doing this so much, Like what's that
last episode? Like you know, what's the last radio show? Like,
what's the last game? Like in some sense, and it's
it's always kind of frustrated to think that way. And
then you're like, nah, you know it'll be okay. Just
kind of roll with it. And then you know, when
we had determined I'm actually I'm out in La.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
They came out here for my my daughter's birthday, and
well twofold I came out here for my daughter's birthday.
And then I got hired by Page Harris Incorporated to
drive all of her painting stuff back, which I have
no no idea How'm gonna get all that stuff back
in our car because I drove it out of here
four years ago for them have out here, and so
(05:00):
now I'm driving that car back either way.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
So I got it for a double reason. And then
you know, you and I had talked because you had
been out.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
You had been out, and then I came here, and
so then you send me a text and said, yo,
let's do in the lab and I just remember it
hitting me like okay, this is the last one, and
I was like, ah, damn. So I will hold it
together as best I possibly can. I know you and Mark,
you know, are sitting down on Friday for a segment
for Radio But I'm gonna play this Thursday on Radio
two because it's you and me and we're the we
(05:30):
are the the nexus of in the lab.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
We are the you know, we are in the lab.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
And so I will play this Thursday night after John McClain,
as I typically would do throughout the week, and it
was it was always so much fun doing it. I
don't know if there were times, you know, even in
twenty twenty, twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two, when it
was like what is going on?
Speaker 5 (05:51):
And you and I.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
Would put on a brave face and get onto mics
and put the cans on and just start talking about
Texans and start talking about wild stuff with the Texans,
and you know, think a dream of a day when
it would get turned around. And then it started toning
twenty twenty three and you know, you and I within
the lab we started, you know, we we celebrated that,
and it was always it was always great. I cannot
think and I remember I was the first one I
(06:13):
think that put the bug and then may have had you,
may have had others, but I remember when you and
I talked, you know, if you, probably a couple of
years ago, just you know, about the future and such.
I remember thinking, because I always think about, you know,
I spent my first seven years in private schools, and
I always think about, you know, if somebody came to
me with some sweetheart deal and wanted me to be
the head master of a school, you know, I'd have
(06:33):
to put together a staff, and you know what people
would I want on my staff and all that kind
of stuff.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
And You've always been one of those people at the
top of my.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
List that I would immediately say, Okay, what would it
take to get you to come over to this school
with me? Because there's so many things that you needed
a school and kind of like, you know, you know
JJ Watt in a sense, how many of those can
drew Phil Well, Like if you this and this and
this and this and this, and he's a guy that
I trust in love inherently, so he would be perfect.
And so you know when you you told me that
(07:03):
this opportunity was available for you and that you were
taking I was just like I I was. I was pumped,
and I was pumped for you. I was pumped for
the kids that you're gonna be around every single day
and when who they're learning from. It's just it's it's
the perfect fit in my mind for you. I just
you know, hate the fact that you know, you and
(07:25):
I won't be able to do in the lab every
week and amongst other things. But since we run into lab,
we'll start with that one.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
No, it's uh, it's really funny. It kind of came
about a couple a couple of months ago because my
wife had the great idea. She's like, why don't you
try and do a summer sports media camp, like a
day camp. Yeah, from eight to noon, Monday to Friday,
one week and you can take some field trips and
(07:52):
you can have some experts talk to the boys and yah,
pitch that idea to the folks at straight Jesuit and
I had pretty solid list of guests that we came
in and places we got to go and things that
they got to see. And I think that that got
some wheels turning in the minds of the folks over there,
and it all came together pretty quickly in May, and yeah,
(08:15):
I'm headed back and it's it's a it's a really
competitive place. I mean, it was always fast, who's the smartest,
who's the funniest who's right this blah blah blah. So
it's gonna be fun to get back there, uh you
know doing I did the Deer Drew videos there for
a few years, and that was that was s jet Man,
that was it was us screwing around back when I
used to interview the homecoming court and we had them
(08:37):
saying goofy inn you know, goofy thing in the mid nineties.
I mean it, it's really fun. It's really a great place.
And uh it's changed a lot, as you would expect
over the course of thirst, but it hasn't shp at all.
And that's that's the exciting part about it for me.
So I'm looking forward to going there and looking forward
(08:59):
to uh, meeting, meeting and reconnecting with some people who
were there when I was there, who taught when I
was there, and then there was a whole.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
That's that's always a fun one that when.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
You tell when you walk in, yeah, you know, And
here's one of the things when you when you when
you're out of school, it's always you know, coach the
coach is easy because for me, like I call anybody
that's a coach, I call them coach.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
It's always it's always been coach.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
But when I had math teachers, you know missus Han,
you know my English teacher, English teachers, Miss Falan, Miss Morris,
like I would see them as an adult, like I
went to go do a I went to go do
a speech. My my English teacher, Miss Fhalan Maxine Phalen
was getting a school named after her, and I was
(09:44):
They were well, I should say, they were trying to
get her. And so they were like, hey, would you
come speak about her for five minutes to the school
district And I said absolutely, So I went in. I
did that. That was in twenty nineteen, so it's before COVID.
So they go this long stretch time without she gets
to school and they were like, okay, we're going to
dedicate the school on this day. Would you come out
to Richard Rosenberg and you know, dedicate this or speak
to to everybody.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
I said absolutely.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
And I see her and it's like, hey, miss Falin,
and I'm like, you know, here I am, you know,
nearing my fifties and I'm calling my English teachers still
Miss Faling. You know, I can only imagine what it's
gonna be like to maybe work next to some of
those people that you you know, had called you know,
mister Hall, miss Jones, and all of a sudden you
got to say, hey, Catherine, you know it's gonna be.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
It's coach Crowley. There's a guy.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
He's the closest thing to a big brother. Uh yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
He was my cross country and track and field coach.
He taught history when I was there. Since then, he's
been the athletic director. He's been the dean of students,
He's taught other classes, he's had of rules.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
He's the athletic director again now. Uh.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
He was instrumental in making this all happen. But I
called coach Crowley and you always say that around people
there now and they'll kind of turn their head, like, coach, Yeah,
that's my coach. He's a hell of a coach. Uh yeah,
but I think most of them know him as mister
Crowley or yeah, you know whatever, but as a coach
to me. So I'm looking forward to getting back, and
(11:06):
it's gonna be really really fun.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Still gonna be here on game days.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
I'll be up in uh press box booth, helping out
some of the folks on the game day entertainment side
and nice there, so, and you and I are gonna
be I'm gonna be hitting you with random texts here
and there. Oh yeah, Siper Kate, and we might have
some other little ventures cooked up a time or two
in the in the feud.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
Never know, never never know.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
Yeah, it's funny because you you never you never you
never say never. Yeah, I think I learned. I learned
that actually at you know, private school. I remember when
I was leaving the private school. I just remember, uh thinking,
you know, okay, that's it. I'm never never doing that.
I remember my wife saying, eh, you you never know,
you never know what might happen. And so when I
(11:50):
got to Houston and started doing radio in two thousand
and seven, I wasn't making a lot of money with it,
and you know, not as much as I thought I
was gonna make. And so a new not new school,
but a school that had been opened, was opening a
high school and.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
Called the Village School over on the West side. Yeah,
and they were opening a high school.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
And I remember my wife was going to apply for
you know, some some sort of position. Obviously she grew
from being you know, part time art to basically like
the second or third command over there.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
I mean, she was instrumental in that place.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
And so I remember sitting thinking around going you know,
I wonder, you know, male math teachers aren't the easiest
thing to find. I wonder if I offer up, you know,
kind of a part time thing, you know what. They
let me teach in the morning and then I go
to radio in the afternoon, and they were for it,
and so I went right back and I did it
for a couple of years where I was teaching in
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the morning and then I was doing radio in the afternoon.
So it's like one of those things where you never
say never, and you know, it's like with in a lab.
You know that it may not be the last one,
might be. It may not be, you know, may not
be the last time.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
Year Drew and I together. Maybe it may not be.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
You know.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
It's kind of that that fun thing you never say never.
You never closed doors. And obviously when you you you know,
have people you love you always telling me you love them,
and you're one of those people that you were family
to me and to the Harris kids. I know when
Jack always came in a building. There was a time
where Jack was coming in to the building with me
a lot school was not going well, and I remember
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you would.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
Walk in, hey Jack, and Jack was just Jack would
just light up. You were always great with him.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
So I can imagine these kids are getting a great
one man, and I'm looking forward to seeing how that
goes and what that what that's like for you. But
this podcast has been sometimes you'd walk in and you're like,
you know, like, okay, what are we gonna do with
the podcast?
Speaker 5 (13:33):
And you're like, yeah, just just dance with me. I'm like,
you'll know what to do. I'm like, okay, all right,
let's go.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Then those that end up being some of the best
in the labs because we would you know, we would redraft,
you know, catchups or you know Texans that could have
gone to other places or came from other places that
should have been Texans, and you know, players from the
city of Houston that went to other places that would
be Texans all that. So it was always kind of
fun because it always like peaked my creativity in my thought,
(14:01):
you know, about what could be, you know, as opposed
to what was or whatever.
Speaker 5 (14:05):
The case might be. So it was always really good
to do that.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Okay, so let's talk about a few of my favorite things.
What we used to do together that we did here.
So I loved road trips. Yeah, like when we get
some dinner. Sometimes I didn't. I didn't always go out
to dinner with you guys, because like, yeah, we've got
family and different places. I got friends in it, so
I'd meet up with them, blah blah blah blah. Sometimes
I just stay because I have forty eight children at
(14:28):
home and I'm tired. I've got a little bit of
a cold, and I.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Yeah, but I love the things.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
I love the most about road trips was after the game,
getting on the plane. Plus but the plane because inevitably
I'd either be sitting in your row with you, yeah,
right by you and breaking down what just happened, but
good or bad, you know, and lots of good times
because you've been doing this since you've been with us
(14:56):
since fourteen, right for lots of good times. Lots of
bad times too. But I love just like the behind
the scenes, like did you see this, yeah, fourteen quarterback
hits and you know, like going through things and breaking
it down kind of the way you and I would
break down, just and like the little offshoots and what
happened here? And this guy said this here and I
(15:18):
heard this and blah blah blah blah blah blah. I
love that that. It was a time right before takeoff
as your bag up, you sit down and just like that,
sometimes five minutes, sometimes thirty minutes, you know, put your
stuff up and talking the behind the scenes, like the
info and the the kind of the filler material that
(15:39):
you got. Ye so rich in those those times. I
love those.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
It was really the first time on that Sunday or
whatever night were there night we were playing that you
really kind of let your hair down because you and
I even on the bus to the airport, you and
I would be cranking out some sort of.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Article like a tyrannosaurce rex cause yeah, like you're like
just HIPing like this. Yeah, you know invariably, you know,
I hope that scene right there that they got, Ope
that's the thumbnail for us.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Yeah, because you're literally just clocking keys and you got
like people nextually you're like you're trying to and you're
trying to send it, and you look, Okay, how much
further do we have to the airport?
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (16:14):
Can I finish this? Okay, I gotta send it. Do
I have Wi Fi? Who's got who's going. So we're
actually working all the way up until literally we were
getting off the bus to get on a plane, and
it's kind of the first moment of like, okay, all right,
what happened? And then you start going through the game
and and parts, you know, the moments of it, and
(16:36):
you know, invariably, you know, we'd be, you know, an
hour into the flight and one of us, you know,
we we might even still be working at that point,
and one of us would kind of nudge the other
like hey, and we'd have this we'll call it game
book and all its stats.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
I remember this one.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
We were coming back from Cleveland and fourteen and we'd
beaten Cleveland. There's a lot of things that happened that day,
but wat was incredible, unbelievable. And I remember looking to
you and it showed you the statu sheet and I
was like, he's got a number in every column.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
Yeah, it's incredible, I think. And then of course there
was the offensive.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Pender guests I think hitting the statistical buffet. He got yeah, salad,
he got jello, he got yeah right.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
It was amazing, got okra.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
He hit everything in the every statistic in the in
the game. But we've talked about this before on this podcast.
But yeah, he yeah, that was a fun one.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
That was it was that was incredible. And so there
was those moments on a plane, you know. And and
also there would be moments. I remember in twenty fifteen,
you and I were sitting next to each other and
we were on a plane. We got an email a
lot of times this happens, we want to play going
to a game. We're going to Jacksonville in twenty fifteen,
and we were sitting next to each other and we
look down because we get the same notice at the
same time and it says JJ Watt.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
Is questionable with illness. Yeah, and we just looked at
each other like we're we're screwed, like this is not good.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
And it was probably about ten to fifteen minutes later
he comes rolling he at this At this time, we
sat at the front of the plane. He comes by us.
He's got shades on it. You can just see it,
and we're like, oh god, you know, And it was
like those things that we would see that we knew about.
And I just remember, you know, not looking at you other,
like when we mouthed some bad words to one another.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
Went on a field. He played the whole game.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
I remember he puked right out of my shoes after
a j Boyot finished the game with the interception.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
He puked right on my shoes or right near my shoes,
just like exhausted.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
And it was it was one of his worst statistical games,
but he played really well because that Jack's will focused
everything on him. But I remember you and I would
have some of those moments too, sitting on a plane
and just you know, seeing players go by. So what's
Arian Foster wearing today? Oh, he's wearing a you know,
an Indian outfit. And then Deep would pipe in and go, yeah, that,
(18:45):
I like that. You know that, my my husband has that,
or I have a friend that wears that.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
Or something like that. I'd be like, okay, you know.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
So it was always kind of we always had those
moments planes, but I always thought it was kind of fun.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
You'd see a little bit of behind the scenes stuff.
You know.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Another thing I loved game days sidelines. I wasn't always
on the sideline road games. Last few years. I was
on the sidelines for home games. Yeah, road games every
once in a while when the Texans would close them out.
I take we take a selfie together, you know, yeah,
(19:19):
I think it was I think it was that bitter bitter,
the coldest one I've ever been to. You've been to colder,
but the coldest one I've ever been to was that
at Tennessee, I think two three years ago, Yeah, day
before Christmas, and that was Yeah, that was a fun one.
And then home games, I just a lot of times
I just come up and stand beside you, you know,
while you're you're watching, I'm watching. But there's just always fun,
(19:42):
you know, being near you on those game. And then
also coming back from practices, I was enjoyed the conversation.
And then every once in a while we're walking, I'd
kind of look over the side and see you walk
in and then I'd start stepping on every single crack
because it would erupt your ate, your your OCD, and
You're like, still do this. I go crack it. Yeah, yeah,
(20:05):
And I get you going.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
I am very I am very o CD that way,
and so I step over, I step over cracks. I
do not want uh like cracking my Yeah, And so
I just remember one day you stepping on all I'm
not saying anything at first, and then finally you said
something like, you know, hey, I'm stepping on these cracks.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
And I finally was like, you are doing it on
purpose but doing it so yeah, it was that.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
He used to like, man, you got me, but yeah,
it was uh and I think that's what what Uh.
So life's supposed to be. Man, you feel every single
emotion every single day, and the people that make you
feel those are the ones you you keep the closest
to you, and you definitely have been one of those
since even before twenty fourteen. I remember it was funny
because when I went to the initial Bill Obryant press
(20:53):
conference in twenty fourteen, I remember you you came up
to me and you were like, Hey, do you.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
Think we're gonna do more analytics? How do you think
this thing goes?
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Like?
Speaker 4 (21:01):
You know, knowing that I knew Bill, you know you
were trying to that was really kind of the first
time I think we had we maybe met before that,
but we kind of kind of chit chat at that point,
and you know, a few months later you were unfortunate
enough to have me in your building, a former former
O'Brien disciple, like near you. But but yeah, it was
always always the the ideas we had in the lab.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
You know. One of the other things that we got
to do was you know Texas Bowls. UH killed Texas
kickoffs and.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
You and I would be up on the board and
that was all. That was always a good time. I
always felt bad for people. You have to see my
big head up there. But we would get texts like
we would get text from people like hey man, I'm
in the building and then they took a picture of
you and I and you know, my wife used to
get those when she was at home, like.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
Heym in the building, I saw your husband Withdrew, and
so I.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Love that we did.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Probably we did probably twenty games combined of those and
I think half of them either involved Mike Leech and
or Urgerson, which is awesome.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
I love both.
Speaker 6 (21:56):
Yes, yeah, because we I mean we knew you you
know the game, you know college football, but I do
a lot of background on those two guys, so it
was fun to Yeah, and the other guys were cool too,
that from the other teams, but do in particular.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
We loved those conversations about and everything that came along
with it. So yeah, go on and on forever, your
dear friend. I've loved doing THEAST We hope you have
have enjoyed watching or listening to this podcast over the years.
It's been a lot of different things, a lot of
weird things, and I'm gonna miss doing it. It was
(22:33):
always a thrill to do this. It's always a fun
part of my week. And uh, like I said, we
might have something cooked up down the line.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
Yeah, you never know.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Love you very much, and I will see you soon.
I know your friend. You're not gonna We're not we're
not saying goodbye. We're just saying so long right now.
And be safe coming back to LA or coming back
and just don't step on any cracks.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
Okay, Yeah, I'm so glad that I got up.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
I woke my ass up to uh in La because
it's still dark thirty around here.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
So uh yeah, it was good man, but I yeah,
I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
And the first crack that you step on as you're
walking down the hallway, you will have a chuckle thinking
of me.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
So that's good.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Indeed, I will all right.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
This has been in the Lab presented by Infinity one
final time.
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