November 5, 2025 • 46 mins
Houston Texans radio hosts Marc Vandermeer and John Harris celebrate linebacker Jake Hansen's contract extension signing live in studio, discussing his journey from undrafted free agent to becoming a special teams ace and rotational linebacker. The show also features an in-depth trade deadline analysis of the blockbuster Sauce Gardner deal to the Indianapolis Colts for two first-round picks, debating whether giving up multiple first-rounders ever works out.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello Texans, welcome to the show. Great to have you
a board, Mark Vandermer and John Harris with you. We've
got another big program for you tonight. Jake Hansen, who
signed a contract extension, is going to be on the
show in this segment in just a few moments. Special
visit with Jake in studio and it was really cool.
Signed his deal right in front of us and then
we talked to him. This is awesome. I don't know
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if the videos up on YouTube yet at Houston Texans
dot com, but it will be soon enough.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
At the end of this show.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
I know we had Brian Cushing on last week during
our live program in front of the Houston Texans team
shop or actually in the team shop last week, but
he was also a guest on the pregame with Sean
and Seth. And you know, whenever you get somebody out
there with those guys, you have to revisit that audio
because many of you did not hear it. So that's
going to be the last thing you hear tonight in
the program before we get to Texan's matchup in our
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number two, because that is special. You don't want to miss.
Johnny Harris talking about the Jags matchup. So much history
between the huge Texans and Jacksonville Jaguars, including unfortunately a
loss this year already in North Florida, and the Texans
got their first ever road win of any kind against
the Jaguars in two thousand and two. I'm not gonna
go through all the highlights. I think we're gonna do
(01:13):
that later this week. I want to come up with
a little historical segment because again this is an AFC
South foe back in the division for back to back
games Jag Sunday Titans the following Sunday. The matter at hand,
you gotta beat the Jaguars this Sunday to get to
four and five and try that five hundred thing again
with back to back wins and take it from there.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
But stop me.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Trade deadline came and went. We'll get to the Texans situation.
The biggest news of the day really the Colts situation,
because they traded for Sauce Gardner from the New York
freaking Jets, and the Jets got two ones and ad
Mitchell the Longhorn in the deal. Johnny Gut reaction Sauce
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to the Colts.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Oh, great job, Jets, great job, great job Jets. That
was my first It was like I saw it. I'm like, oh,
what I saw traded to the Colts, And I thought, okay.
Then I saw two first round picks and a player
to be named, and the player ends up being eighty Mitchell,
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and I just thought, wow, eighty Mitchell is the most
explosive player that the Colts have had, and he is
now gone. Now, obviously he had some mistakes, he had
some issues. He I don't want to see single handedly
costing the Rams game, but he single handedly costing the
Rams game and he hasn't played much lately, and I
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just think, holy smokes. There's so many thoughts. But from
the Jets side of it, you get two first rounders,
you in getting a second first rounder, you get a
twenty twenty seven first rounder, and twenty twenty seven's draft
is going to be loaded. Really, you said the receivers,
there's a ton of receivers. The edge rushers are unbelievable.
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Colin Simmons, Dylan Stewart from I saw Carolina, it is
loaded in twenty twenty seven. So getting those first round
picks in twenty twenty seven big. But there's so many
confusing aspects on the colt side so many I you know,
lou An and Rumo took over as the defensive coordinator. Now,
maybe down deep lou An Rumo is we're gonna play
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man coverage and get a sticky holding cover corner like
Sauce Gardner. And he's gonna shut down one half of
the field. Sorry, but that's not that's not Anon Rumo's defense.
And I don't think. I don't think Sauce is up
for that kind of action.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
I really don't.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
I don't think he's up for that we're gonna shut
down one side of the field thing. I really don't.
I think the last couple of years. Hum, Chris Ballard
doesn't make moves like this. He doesn't give up two
first round picks. He rarely, if ever drafts a first
round corners trading text with my buddy Lance aer Aline, Lance,
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who knows Ballad really really well. I've known a bout
for a long time. This just doesn't feel like a Ballard.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Wait a minute, Wait a.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Minute, you're not insinuating that the oh I'm insinuating. See
I'm insinuating carriers, say Gordon, i'mating may or may not
have had a hand in this one, and it would
not be unprecedented. Unprecedented in that organization, of course, because
this is an organization that once upon a time, not
that long ago literally hired Jeff's Saturday to coach the team.
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So that does not sound like something Chris Ballard would
have done either. No, that was an ownership move right there.
So maybe we had an ownership move. And as far
as pushing the chips to the center of the table,
it doesn't sound like a GM kind of move to
trade two ones for Sauce Gardner.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Are you wait, wait, wait, wait, trading two ones for somebody? Okay,
you're saying it doesn't work out signed, Well, look all right,
so let's go there for Abe. We did it once
upon a time here for Laramie.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Now, you paid a lot for Laramie, and you needed
a left tackle and you got a good left tackle
in Laramie, who was a part of a lot of
successful seasons here.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
It didn't get you over the.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Top, but you know, you had Laramie, but you lost
those ones, and those were big losses when you had
those drafts, and you needed to rebuild. But you got Laramie,
so that's good. Now they're gonna get Sauce a good corner.
Maybe he's not as great as two ones, but you
lose those ones. Here's the other element here. When the
Texans traded for Laramie, they had Deshaun Watson, who at
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the time was your franchise quarterback. We could put it
in their quotes if you want, but that was the
thinking right now, here's the thought process at the time.
Bodyguard for him. Have the Colts long term solved their
quarterback problem?
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Is it Daniel Jones?
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Is it him?
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Because you gave up two Ones? That's you saying we
got our guy, We're good. How are you going to
get somebody else?
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Now?
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Maybe you get lucky? Maybe you know.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Jones is part of this wave of their comparing him
to Sam Donald and Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Jones has got to complete the campaign.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Even Donald wasn't able to complete the campaign last year.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Jones has to beat a good team. Mark think of
the good teams he's played this year on the Colts
scheduled this year, Name me a good team on the
Indianapolis coach. It's just the Dolphins suck. The Broncos are good.
They won twenty nine to twenty eight, but they should
have lost and they got a leverage penalty at the
end of the game. They lost to the Rams. They
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beat the Titans, they beat the Raiders, they beat the Cardinals. Yeah, like, okay,
the Chargers decent team, decent team. They got hot. They
got hot in that game, put up thirty eight.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
I just think the Pittsburgh losses disturbing for that because
Jumps had five turnovers and he looked a lot like
Giants Jones.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
And now here comes the rest of their schedule. Now
they go to Germany this weekend'st the Falcons, then at Case,
Texans at Jacksonville at Seattle home, Niners home, Jags at Texans.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
It's gonna be tough, but look they've got They have
seven wins right now, as we all know, it's not
much of a leap to see them winning ten to eleven,
and the Texans have to go seven to two to
get to ten. Right now, the Jags have a better
chance of catching them record wise because they're five and
three and they played them twice. Right So, if I'm
a Jaguar right now, I'm thinking, hey, we got we
gotta bow up here somehow, you know, get our wins
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against the Colts and try to capture the division. I
still say the Colts obviously they're the favorite team to
win the division. Yeah, but how good are they gonna
be going into the postseason and where they're gonna be
going into the postseason if they win the division? Obviously
they host a home game, they host a playoff game
that opening week.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
We'll see.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
It remains to be seen how this all works out,
of course, because you just made the deal.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
But two ones just felt very steep to me. I
just feel like trading two months for any one player
that's not a quarterback, and even that hasn't worked. I mean,
look at the Browns traded for DeShawn I mean that
didn't work. Teams that are traded two ones for a player.
You could argue that the Laramie Tunsul deal that included
two ones actually was the best one to work out,
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because Laramie didn't give you five Pro Bowls. Now it ultimately,
I don't even say you ultimately didn't work out. I
just think it was time for Laramie to move on
and get where you ultimately wanted to go.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
But you also changed eras right a fly right, and
part of that was due to the fact that you
traded what you did for Laramie because you had to,
you know, after twenty twenty you had to totally rebuild
this thing with Nick Cassario, and he had to work
with no picks, right, Yeah, until he traded Watson, no
high picks, rather until he traded Watson. The twenty twenty
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one draft, which is going to be highlighted again this week.
Trevor Lawrence was part of that draft. Davis Mills was
part of that draft, the likely starter unless CJ makes
the miraculous recovery this week, which I'm all in for.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I hope that happens.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
And of course Nico Collins is part of that draft
for the Houston Texans. But they had no picks in
rounds one and two that draft. How many teams have
traded two to ones for a player and it work out.
That's a great question. Well, what did the Rams give
up for Stafford? It was golf, and I think they
gave up a couple of first Yeah, I think it
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was a couple and that's worked out. You have to
say that worked out.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
That actually worked out for both sides. Yeah, that's one
of both sides. It got the Lion going and it
got the Rams of Super Bowl, and it's gotten the
Rams to where they are. Klill Mack was traded to
the Chicago Bears for two ones. No, didn't work out. Now,
the Raiders screwed that up because they didn't draft with
those first round picks anybody that was any good that
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was one pick. Jamal Adams got traded from the Jets
to the Seahawks for two first they're trad didn't work out.
They're treating these ones like NBA ones. Yeah, you know,
but four ones?
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Okay, whatever, even those picks, Johnny, I look at the
great players in the NBA, and I look where they're drafted,
and not everybody can be the number one overall pick
in the draft. Some of these teams are drafting well
and they find the guy down the line. Okay, we
have more to talk about regarding this, and much more
on the Jaguars because they are banged up beyond belief,
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but we'll discuss that in the next segment. Right now,
let's get to Jake Hanson, who visited with us in
studio signing an extension Special teams player extraordinary really soiled
the linebacker for this team and part of that twenty
twenty two undrafted free a class under Lovey Smith and
Nick Casiio. On a special occasion, it's linebacker Jake Hanson
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contract extension right here in the hun Day Texans Radio studio.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Jake, congratulations, Thank you guys.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
I appreciate you. Yeah, very lucky, very lucky.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
So yeah, what does this mean to you, especially during
the season. This is very cool to have you extended
during the season, well, I.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
Mean going into next It's just provided me a little
security for next year. So super excited for it. Super
excited for me and my wife. We know we're going
to be in Houston for another year and be part
of such a great organization, great coaches, great management, so
great owners. Were super excited to be a part of
this organization for another year.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Jake, I know, had you not gotten injured at ilinoi
Er last year, I'm convinced you you would have been drafted.
I don't think they're to me. There's any no questions.
You would have gone and Senior Bowl. You'd have blown
it up, combine all that kind of stuff. You just
show everybody that you would have been drafted. But in
the end you weren't. Have you carried that chip on
your shoulder kind of with you as you've gone through.
Has that driven you or that just something you don't
(11:01):
even think about. I just go play ball.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Well, I like to tell myself too how to get drafted.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
But I definitely keep that as a chip on my
shoulder and where it is like a badge of like, hey,
people didn't expect me to be here.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
It didn't expect me to make it.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
And I think that's you see that a lot from
guys that were undrafted, even like guys on the Texans
like Kurt Heiness. But it I definitely wear it as
like a badge of honor and something I like to like,
like you said, use it as a chip to hey, like,
people weren't expecting me to be here, so it is
it makes it that much.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
More gratifying and kind of drives me to continue and
continue to reach new heights.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
So Jake, with undrafted free agents, I know, sometimes it's
almost like recruiting all over again once the draft is over.
But Lovey Smith was here and he coached you in college.
How much did that play into you coming here? And
were there are other options as well? You can tell
us now.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
Yeah, well, I mean it was a huge it was
having Levey here was a huge reason why I wanted
to be around here. I knew I could come in
and like play Mike and make the play calls and
make the checks. And because I played in that defense
for five years and I just knew how his style
of coaching and like this is how I played. I
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knew we were gonna mesh well, and knew the linebacker
coach as well.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Linebacker coach was my linebacker coach in college.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
So it was just it was great continuity for me,
and it was my best opportunity, And honestly, I didn't
going there was a lot of teams that had backed out,
like they had found some Going in, we thought we're
gonna have a lot of undrafted options.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
But then like once the draft was.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
Ending, it was Houston came in, and then a few
other teams we thought were that kind of just said hey,
we're we're good right now, We're gonna hold off for
and like so it was really, honestly, my really it
was my main opportunity. Atlanta called me the next day
and I had already signed with Houston, so it was
kind of a done deal. But yeah, Atlanta the next
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day maybe, but it was really only Houston, so very nice,
meant to be around here, good for us.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Well, I was gonna say something about the Falcons, but
I won't say it. I'll say it off the air.
But we got lucky, man, because we got a guy
like I said that, had you, had you been healthy
through that year, I'm convinced you would have been drafted
because all that you bring. You talk about playing the mic,
but you play every linebacker position, You're on every special team.
I don't uh, I don't know how many plays you
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end up playing during a game, but you impact so
many of them. And I don't want to say like
accepting your role, but knowing what your role is, and
you know what your role is and you take it
to the end degree. And it feels like the more
players you have around at all levels of a team
that know what his role is going to be and
then plays that role to the hilt every single week,
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that's the more successful that you're going to be. How
do you look at that, Jake, as far as this
is what I know my role is going to be,
and I'm gonna go out and master it that week
and that season and beyond.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
I mean, I think it part of it was learning
from like guys that are older than me. I mean,
you want to play on defense, and like every day
I'm working to be more of an impact player on defense.
But I mean learning guy like from guys like Neville
Hewitt who was in the room and uh, like.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
When I was a rookie Jalen Reeves.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
Maybe just guys that are like rotational linebackers and special
teams players.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
So learning that you can make a great.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
Living in this league playing on special teams and being
a being an impact player on special teams and trying
and when you have everyone on a team that's doing
like like you said, know their role and try to
do it the best they can, I think you can
have a you have good success, and I think that's.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
Why coach Ryan's and uh the.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
Texans have had We've had some good success in the
past few years.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
So how difficult does that make practice because you are
on so many special teams units and have to practice
linebacker and very few breaks here Jake it Uh.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
I mean, it adds another part of practice, but it's
just I mean, like you said, you know that that's
part of the job going in and.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
That's I mean, if.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
You want to stick around long enough, like you have to,
like you have to accept those roles and take maybe
do a little extra work and watch different Like I
might watch a little bit more of a special teams
for this game because I know my role is gonna
be a little bit less on defense, so I might
watch a little bit more of this versus like some
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defensive film, so that all those things kind of go
into it.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
So yesterday, I don't even know if you noticed this,
but I noticed it when it happened, and I went
back and I watched it again this morning. When a
fuelgal gets blocked, if the ball goes down the field
and the block team touches it, the offense can get
on it. I think a lot of people know that rule,
but there are a lot of people that don't know
that rule. There was somebody in a blue shirt that
started taking off for the ball.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
We won't name Nan, we will.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Protect the innocent here, but you nearly tackled him to
make sure that he didn't go after the ball. And
I just I love to play because I've talked so
often about you got the physical skills to play this game,
there's no question. But you're as smart as it gets
on in the field. Can you take us through what
happened in that place still protecting the innocent.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
Well, I mean it is like it's a play that
I mean, it doesn't happen often, right, like it rarely
had Like how many block kicks are there in the league,
not like not many. We've been fortune in the past
two weeks we've got them. So it was kind of
like rehearsed a little bit, Like last week. I kind
of remembered, all right, we got to stay away from
this thing, right and unless.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
It like lands in your lap and you can go
and return it a little bit.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
So, but we don't want it was a bigger guy,
So we want the big guys running with that thing
down the field.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
So wait, not to give away state secrets, but opponents,
I believe are three for nine from beyond thirty or
something like that against the Texans kicking field goals. It's
it's ridiculously not good. So why is that? I know
Deniko's got two of them? You guys, are you making
them think about it? What is your theory on that?
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Jake?
Speaker 5 (16:52):
I mean I think well, one, Deniko Autry's like the
best at like ever at like blocking kicks, like him
getting his hand up and Derrek Barnett's also one of
those guys.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
Our interior rush is just like.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
We take pride in field goal block you know, And
I think coach coach Ross Frank does a great job
and like getting us prepared and putting those guys in
the right positions to make those plays. So he'd I know,
they he does a great job getting them prepared and
they they take pride in that job. And Deniko's like
actually like one of the best in the ever to do.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
With block kicks. So we're very lucky to have those
guys on our team.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
When you come into the NFL, very rarely do you
get to sign exactly where you know. I grew up.
I was a fan of the Jets, but you end
up playing for the Niners. You know, I was playing
the Bears, you end up being a Lion. I don't
know how much you knew about Houston when you came here,
but in the years that you've been here, Jake, and
you've been here for a little bit, Now what's Houston
been like for you come to the place kind of
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a sight unseen and now you've been here for four
or five years, what's that kind of been like for
you at this stage in your life to live here
in Houston.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
B You're in Houston.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
Well, my wife and I we love it. It's the city.
It is a great city. It's like growing up in
I grew up in Tampa, so I'm used to like
the weather and the climate and stuff like that. But
it's it's a great food scene, there's great people here,
and it's grown on me so much. I think my
rookie year it was a little bit different. We were expecting, like,
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a Houston's a big city, but it doesn't feel like
I went to grew up in Illinois or I grew
up went to college in Illinois and like went to
like Chicago a lot and was expecting it to kind
of feel like a Chicago big city.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
But it's like a newer uh a.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
Lot different than Chicago downtown versus just in downtown. But
figured out what Houston's all about, and it's a it's
a great city.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
We love it. And yeah, I'm excited to be an
that round for year five. So yeah, wait, so.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
When did you get married again? It wasn't that long ago? Yeah,
in June said it was last June. Okay, So it's
still fresh here. We are very fresh and yeah, it's
it's amazing really because you've really grown up here, you know.
Speaker 5 (19:04):
Yeah, yeah, Houston's kind of raised my wife and I
like we've we've grown up a lot, like our young
adulthood together.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
So it's been it's been a lot of fun.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
And it'd be cool to say that, like we spent
five years in Houston and.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
Uh, hopefully spend as many as we can, so.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
We don't want to ask you about how things are
going in the marriage. But still marriage still happens. Yeah,
it's still working all these months. How is it though
during the season? How how tough is that for because
the hours can be crazy. You don't have a lot
of time off traveling on every other weekend. But how
has that kind of been kind of I mean she
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adjusted to it having been around for a while, it's
been like.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Yeah, I mean we've been we've been living together for.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
Like a few years before we got married, so she
knew what we were like what we were is going
into the season.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
So it's been it's it's it's been great.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
Like we know, like there's we need to take advantage
of Fridays like our date night and uh like tonight's
a good night. We're going into an off day and
we get to spend a little more time with each
other on the off day, and we just.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Make we maximize the time we have. And uh, yeah,
it's been it's been great, man.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
And I always tell people who married license hasn't been
any different than what it was before.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
And that's that's the way. That's the way we want
to keep it.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
All right, one more for you.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
It's Salute to Service week as the Texans take on
the Jaguars. So you have to join a branch of
the Armed Services Army, Navy, air Force, Marines, or Coastguard.
Which one are you joining?
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Jake?
Speaker 1 (20:38):
We're sending you away for four or five years, so
you have to pick.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
I feel like ED want to go, probably the Air Force,
airflying plane.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Flat planes, top Yeah, I know, top gun. Yes, yes,
what would what would your codename be? There's Maverick, there's Viper. Uh,
there was Hangman that was in the newest.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
Yeah, probably just be like my Instagram handle jugs or something.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
That's part all sign jugs. YEAHI graphics to do a
helmet for you.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Jake.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Congratulations, Thanks a love for joining us. Thank you guys,
appreciate you all right, there's Jake Hanson.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Great to visit with Jake.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
When we get back, more on the trade deadline situation
and the Jags, who are really banged up coming in
here on Sunday, what they might look like. It's all
happening here on Texans Radio. Right back into the fray
here in the hun Day Texans Radio studio. Mark vandermir
John Harris with you. Great to hear from Jake Hanson
in the last segment. Plenty of reaction to the Sauce Gardner,
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to the Colts deal, and the Jags also making a
deal today. Jacobi Meyers receiver going from the Raiders to
Jacksonville for a four and a six, and the Jags
are all sorts of banged up at receiver. They have
Travis Hunter on IR right now, but he can come back.
They have Brian Thomas Junior all banged up. Johnny Diami
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Brown is all banged up. This is tough because late
in that game with the Raiders, they were going with
names you don't know so well at receiver and somehow
pulled it out against the Raiders there and there are
numerous things I want to talk about regarding that game
and the Jaguars, but Meyers a jag thoughts they.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Got to get him in doctrinated quickly because with no
Travis Hunter, he won't be able to come off ir
at least for the next three weeks. But it sounds
like it's gonna be a little longer than that. Brian
Thomas Junior will be the big one. I know he
missed time in that Raiders game, and I want to
say he came back in, but at the end of
the game, Trevor Lawrence is thrown to Tim Jones. He's iffy.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
I think Thomas as iffy and brown as if he
and also if he on the defensive side, Devin Lloyd,
if he for that one one with a calf, so
that could be a nice miss for the Texans because
he was an animal when they played him in North.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Flot destroyed us, destroyed us. And you know when you
go to our lads, which is where I get my
depth chart information, because they updated pretty policy. They color
code everything, so if it's like a magenta, that's a rookie.
If it's red, it's somebody hurt. And they have six
receivers listed. Three of them have read Brian Thomas junior,
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Tim Patrick, Diamie Brown, at least, Parker Washington recently acquired
Jakobe Myers and Austin Trammell. Yeah, I think of Rice
if I remember correctly, in that game, Yeah, he did,
he did some good things. And then on defense, what
two guys probably hurt us more than any other, Devin
Lloyd and Jordan Lewis, and both of them are listed
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in red. Josh Allen is still upright last night checked,
and that's Trayvon Walker got ejected from that game throwing
a punch. Yeah, but I don't think that would bleed
over to our game.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
I wish it would just to teach them, just to
teach molest just to teach him.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Repeated offenses, I guess, which is what they got disease
for last year.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
I guess.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
So anyway, boy, they've lightened up on these because Frankie
Luvu gets one game and he's the hip drop specialist.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Right, and that's happened multiple times.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
And as these gets ripped by the league in three games,
it's all.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Optics, I guess. So you know what's got to be.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
It's all optics, you know, Johnny, And this is a
tangent the league's finding system and punishment system.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
I've always wanted it to be more uniform than it is.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Exact.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
These fine numbers are absolutely silly, Right, You have these
weird dollar amounts and nothing really makes sense. And then
you start looking at this equals that, and it really doesn't.
You're looking for something congruent. It's just not there.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
And then as he's in the locker room, he's asked
about to hit, and I felt like A Z's handled
it about as well as she could have, because he's
talking about, you know, Chris Abrams drain watching a guy
that he hit on a field and what that is
like and everything. And then as he's made the point,
which was there's not even a penalty called, whereas when
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that happened against us in Jacksonville, he got a penalty
for the hit, he got a penalty for personal file
I think after so it was like thirty yards of penalties.
And then he gets suspended for three games. Yeah, and
on top of being fine, I'm sure. So it's like,
holy cow, the equity in that is it isn't there.
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And I think that's that's the part to me that
that bothers me is just is the equity. I've we
went through the hit the CJ took and I've seen
different angles of that hit, and do not get me wrong,
it is a violent hit and I hated seeing my
guy get hit that way. But Chris Abrams Drain was
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guilty of really just hitting him hard as he was
going to the ground, But he didn't lead with his head.
He didn't hit CJ in the head. But the fact
that we spent the year prior missing our middle linebacker
and our defensive leader for three games because the NFL
arbitrarily said, oh yeah, he should be suspended for three
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games for that kind of hit, It's like, wait a second, whoa?
And then the basis for their argument was, you know
the letter that came from John Runyon that criticizes Ease
for the type of basically the type of person he was.
I'm like, whoa, it got personal, bro, what is this?
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (26:30):
But they never repealed it, and that's that to me.
You can mark. You can't have that. You can't have
a gap like that.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Right.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
If you would have said Asease gets fined for he
gets fined and he gets suspended for a game, understood,
I could? I would today I would feel like, all right,
Frankie luvu one game for doing you know, the repeated
hip drop tackles, for multiple hip drop tackles, like, okay,
a game. You will never convince me that Aziz al
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show I should have gotten three games for a suspension
last year. Never And that to me, the inequity is
what bothers me the most.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Look, take that out of it, Abram's drain. I really
felt like could have held up a little bit better. Yeah,
maybe a lot better. I thought the flag, the picking
up of the flag after all, that was a little
too much.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Leave the flag. We just lost our quarterback. It was
clearly a hard hit.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Clearly I thought he could have held up a little
maybe can't stop the contact.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
I get it, there's a slide. I'm already engaged.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
But he went low to get him a little extra
because he's a quarterback. And that was effective, if you will,
lack of a better term, as CJ was knocked out
of the freaking game. All right, So on that subject, wait,
hold on a second. Yeah, we just did the math
on something. Had that happened for the two thousand and
nine Saints.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
M No, I'm not gonna go there. I'm not gonna
go there. Oh my gosh, I'm not gonna go there,
but just you know, all right, let's go. Let's go here.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Concussion protocol and Nick Asario, we visited with him. You'll
hear that tomorrow night, and that might be on YouTube already.
Our visit with the executive vice president and general manager.
We talked about the protocol. There are various stages to
go through. You would need everything to click absolutely perfectly
to see CJ.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Stroud on Sunday. He would have to pass.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
The first test and then do a little something and
then pass the second. There are a lot of hurdles,
a lot of hills to climb here to get him
in the lineup on Sunday. I'd love to see him
put on the cape and get there. But let's just say,
for the purposes of this conversation, you're gonna go with Davis,
Mills and Davis against the Jaguars.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
We talked about it. Four or five and one against
the division. This is a team.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
He scene when he looks at that uniform Trevor Lawrence
across the way, fellow classmate from twenty twenty one. Even
though Mills was third rounder, Lawrence number one overall pick
in the draft.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
This is not unfamiliar to Davis. Playing at home.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
You know, you should be able to operate communication wise
effectively at home full week of practice.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
I feel good about it.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
In that way and their ability to put together a
game plan for Davis because I think the way the
defense is going to handle the Jags and you have
to stop ETN but this defense is capable of that.
This is the lowest scoring defense in Texans history through
eight weeks of play. This is the best defense they've
ever had, and the competition is tough.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
These are not slouched teams.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
They're playing to fatten up their stats, and they're playing
with an offense that is challenged a lot of the time,
YEP to move the ball, convert third downs, all that
they're on the field a lot. In other words, they
have to make stop after stop and they've been doing it,
so I like their chances of coming up with the
big stops against the Jags. You might have to win
this one fifteen to ten or something.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
You might have to do that. You'll take it anyway.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
You can get it, especially if your starting quarterback is out.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
I say this all the time. My starting quarterback is
out and we've had CJ out for you know, two
games in his career well, one against the Artists formally
known as the Oilers and then against the Browns. Those
are only two games that he is now. He played
very slightly in the very shortly tight against the Titans
and twenty last year that was it. But there's those
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two games, and I remember thinking, I don't care how
we do it. You could put you and me at quarterback,
it doesn't matter. Just find Those are games where you
find a way to win. I tell this story a
lot many years ago when I was coaching. I lost
my quarterback and the second quarter of a game that
we absolutely had to have, like had to have it
the last ISCAR game we're playing. We had to win
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that game to be able to have any shot at
the playoffs. And my quarterback was down in the middle
of the second quarter. We alread rushed one hundred ninety
yards at that point, and he accounted for one long
run of sixty five and another one like thirty five.
So I'm like, what do I do. I'm like, I
gotta do whatever takes to finish the game. So I
basically ran single wing the rest of the game. I
took my tailback. I put him in a shotgun. I
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put the fullback next to him, and we just ran
a bunch of quarterback runs the way different things and
you're already running it. Well, it didn't at that point
the sexiness of the win, or, as Sean likes to say,
the style points, they don't matter. The style points do
not matter in any game in which my backup quarterback
is playing, and if Davis has to play, even though
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Davis has played a lot of those games, I don't.
I don't care what the style points are. However you
score touchdowns. I don't care if you stumble bum your
way into fourteen points offensively and then a defense gives you.
I don't, I don't care. I have a suggestion, whatever
it takes. I have a suggestion.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Okay, what happened Week two in twenty eighteen when the
Titans were down to Blaine Gabbert Wild Henry. So I
want to see the wild Woodie? What a name that
would be? The wild Woody? Take some snabs, Woodie?
Speaker 2 (31:40):
What about?
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (31:41):
All right, let's get crazy, let's put let's put Chubb
and Woody back there. Yeah, let's do that.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Davis goes out wide, all right, and you still have
to put a guy on him because you have to.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Account for him.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
So I'm gonna use up at B and now if
they could just practice a little slight of hand.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Hey, we got something here to prove my point.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Though.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
How did the Titans score that day? They had They
had a fake punt where we didn't cover the outside
guy and Dane Krukshank took one, oh yeah, caught it
and took down. Then they got into wild Henry and
drove one drive, and then I think they had a
field goal, another field goal, and I think it'd be
a seventeen fourteen. I think it was like twenty seventeen
or seventeen fourteen, because we're driving for a towing field goal.
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So Gabbert didn't really do anything in the game, but
he just kept the train on the tracks and they
found a way. And that's essentially when your backup quarterbacks playing.
To me, I don't care what the style points look like.
I don't care if you win twelve nine. I don't
care if you win twelve eleven. I don't care if
you win forty forty seven. Just put some points up
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on the board. And especially when you got a defense
like this. Now, if your defense was a complete sieve,
then I'd be like, all right, you gotta do whatever
you gotta do, trick plays and everything else. You gotta
play your game, and hopefully Davis will get in a
rhythm early and can find what he likes in the
passing game and they can run the ball against the
Jaguars is very difficult. Jaguars have one of the better
run defenses in the league. But you still got to
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try and move the ball in the ground. And again,
I've said this about running the football many, many, many
many times, and I'll enforce it again here. It doesn't
mean just turning around and handing the ball to the
running back. You run the ball that way. There can
be other ways that you can quote unquote run the ball.
The fourth and two d Christian Kirk the other day
on a little out route. That's a run play. I mean,
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I know it's a pass play, it's a run play.
It's just a little short, quick out. You go get
the yards you want. You basically blocked it up with
the little pick route you ran. You can run the
ball differently.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
All right.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Another move that happened during the day, Quentin Williams going
from the Jets to Dallas and among the comp a
one wow as Williams as a cowboy. I don't know
where the Cowboys think they're going because I don't know
if that fixes their defense, and maybe they're just doing
it to do it.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
But again, these picks, they have value.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
The Jets are cleaning up, stockpiling picks for the coming years.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Absolutely, And I know you give a Quinn Williams and
Sauce Gardner, but where are you going with them? Right?
Where you're going with them? So you might as well
get guys that your GM Drrenmujie and Aaron Glenn want
to have in the system. And now you have at
least three first rounders that that you're getting over the
next couple of years in addition to your picks, and
you stink. So you might get the first the first
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pick of the draft, so you'll probably get a shot
at a quarterback. One of those picks is going to
end up being a quarterback at some point. I would think.
Now you'd rather I think you would rather have the
number one overall pick in twenty twenty seven to twenty
twenty six.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
But you're not gonna plan for that, but you can't
plan for that because Aaron glam will not be around. No, No,
that's exactly right, because he has he ain't gonna be
the one.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Making that pick, right. So at that point, the Jet
kind of like the Colts. It's it's baffling to me.
Now the Colts have somewhere to go. The Cowboys lost
last night or three to five and one. Yeah, where
are they going?
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Where they go anywhere. It's almost as if Jerry had
to make this move so he can say, hey, we
gave up Micah to go get quinnn Williams. Look at
us now, But I don't know what that does at all.
Don't get it. Well, we'll see.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
It's the greatest reality show ever the NFL. And coming up,
Brian Cushing was on the pregame show with Sean and
Seth and that was an outstanding conversation. Let's hear some
of that, among other things here on Texans All Access.
Final segment here on tonight's show. And if you miss
some of our conversation on the trade deadline moves around
the NFL, catch the podcast right after the show is
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over on the Odyssey app and later on on Spotify
or wherever else you get your podcasts now. We got
a healthy dose of Brian Cushing last week at the
Houston Texans team Shop. But I wanted to go here
because this is great content. Brian on the pregame show
with Sean Pendergast and Seth Payne right on the radio
stage with the fans roaring in approval of having the
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all time leading tackler in franchise history on stage.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Let's listen in.
Speaker 6 (36:01):
We've heard from a lot of former Texas and Dimiico
this week.
Speaker 7 (36:03):
I just Janis McNair and the McNair family, and they're
important to bringing football back here to Houston.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Yeah, it's everything, right, I mean, obviously I didn't grow
up here, but just getting the background once I was
drafted here and found out about how important football is
to this city, you know, and then once you're able
to bring professional football back to Houston, obviously, the McNair's
were the critical, huge part behind that, had a ton
of passion behind bringing the sport back to Houston and
has just helped the community and the city so much
and forever grateful and thankful to time.
Speaker 8 (36:29):
It's got to be fun for you for a couple
of reasons. One, you know, you played with Demiko, he
was kind of your mentor. But then to watch the
way this defense has played over the last couple of years,
this is a very a very Brian Cushing style of play.
Speaker 6 (36:40):
Is that fair to say?
Speaker 3 (36:40):
I think so? Yeah, absolutely. I mean they're aggressive, it's
fun to watch and run around, and you can tell
they played a lot of passion. I think it comes
directly from their head coach.
Speaker 8 (36:47):
Yeah, what we were talking earlier about when you came in,
you know Jamiko Ryan's is a veteran by that point.
What did he mean to you as a young player.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Yeah. I touched about upon this a little bit the
other day. And I came in and obviously I was
a high draft pick and Tamiko played kind of a
similar position, and I didn't know what to really expect
about how he treated me. And I came in and
from day one it was like a big brother role
and there was no information you ever hit from me.
He was completely transparent and he wanted to share all
knowledge and experience he had with me to help me
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be better and essentially help the team be better. And
that's just kind of the person leader he is. And
to ever know that someone would eventually be a head coach,
and I had to pick anyone I ever played with,
it would have been him.
Speaker 6 (37:29):
Yeah, no, no doubt. Brian Kushing joining us here.
Speaker 7 (37:31):
He's our Texans legend presented by Chevron, the Human Human
Energy Company. Let's go back to when you were drafted
by the Texans, still a pretty young franchise at the time.
Only I think you got here in two thousand and nine,
so heading into the eighth season and your guy who
from Jersey played in southern California. What did you know
about Houston and what did you think when you got
drafted to the Houston teachs?
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Never never had been to Houston before. I've only been
in Texas probably twice. Before that, I was in a
layover in Dallas and I played in an All Star
Game in San Antonio, so that was really about it.
My dad had come down here a bunch of busines
this before. I really liked the city. I was excited
about it, but remember being drafted, come down in April
thinking that was hot, and they were this is nothing right.
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So I was like, all right, we'll get used to it.
But yeah, just from day one city just I mean
Houston just fell like home. And then the way that
the fans and the city just embraced me. And like
you said, it was a young franchise, right, We had
never been to playoffs, we never had a winning season before,
so there's a lot of figuring out along the way,
and you know, I was just I was I was
happy to be at that part of the organization to
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help that identity.
Speaker 8 (38:32):
Well you and you were there too when it was
still I mean, the defense was still struggling and it
was a couple of years before things.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
Kind of kind of clicked.
Speaker 8 (38:40):
What was that like in twenty eleven when all of
a sudden is that is that the first time it
felt like, oh okay, this is this is what it's
supposed to be Like.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
Yeah, I think it was week three, two or three.
We went down in New Orleans and they were rolling.
You know, they were obviously on fire. Drew Brees, everybody,
Sean Payton was there, and uh, you know, we were
kind of We eventually lost the game and it was
a close game. It was a primetime game, I think
it was a Sunday night game, and defensively we were
just on it, and it just felt like this is
what a good defense and this is what a good
team feels like. And even though we lost, I think
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it was a turning point of really our mindset and
we just built from that point on.
Speaker 4 (39:13):
That was what.
Speaker 8 (39:13):
Yeah, there was a game, Well, Jonathan Joseph picked Drew
Brees and you probably fooled Drew Brees. Yeah, like you
can see from Drew Brees afterwards, was kind of like
he just he's gotten fooled by however Jonathan Joseph had
made him. I remember watching on TV. Yeah, you think like, oh, oh,
this is good, this is different. We haven't seen this.
Speaker 7 (39:30):
I remember it was week three because I remember Week four,
you guys came back here and you played Pittsburgh, and
I think that was the game where the fan base
felt like, Okay, you guys had like an eleven minute
drive to open the game on offense and you guys
smoked Ben Roethlisberger all day long.
Speaker 6 (39:45):
And that was a super Bowl team the year before.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, they were, and we were. We were
hiped up for it. It was. It was a different
vibe in the locker room before the game and after
the game. I remember Ian Rappaport being in the locker
room after the game, and he was just kind of
shocked by how he played, and and kind of our
confidence afterwards in the locker room too. We felt like
we belonged. We felt like we belonged, but we were
hungry and we just loved playing. We love playing.
Speaker 8 (40:08):
Are you still in retirement doing Brazilian jiu jitsu?
Speaker 3 (40:11):
Yeah? Are you? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (40:12):
I was.
Speaker 8 (40:13):
I was wondering about when you first got into that.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
I remember that you would.
Speaker 8 (40:17):
I thought you said you had wrestled in high school
a little bit, a little bit, so you knew going
in in New Jersey, like at a good wrestling school. Yes,
so you knew going in that, Okay, some guy that
I would like that I'm seventy pounds heavier than me,
is gonna probably kick my butt. It wasn't a surprise
to you.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
It wasn't a surprise, but it's still hurt my feelings
when it happened. So, you know, I kind of went
and open minded. But it was one of those deals.
It's a very humbling sport, and when that would happen,
I'd say, Okay, that sucks, but teach me how you
did that.
Speaker 6 (40:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
Right, So it was one of those deals whereas it was.
It was a eye opening experience. I knew it, but
you know, once it still happens. It's still one of
those deals.
Speaker 4 (40:50):
Have you competed at all?
Speaker 3 (40:51):
I haven't. Yeah, I haven't. I haven't dedicate. I haven't
gone in one hundred percent enough where if I lost,
I can say, all right, I trained all that I could.
I'd be kicking myself if I wouldn't. Now I'm like
masters too with my age, so I don't know how
that would work, but maybe down the line.
Speaker 8 (41:06):
Yeah, wait, until you get old enough, do you really
feel like you can just exactly.
Speaker 7 (41:12):
Ryan Kushing joining us out here, you use our Texans
legend this week? Do you ever go back and watch
any of your your highlights or video you out there
and have sort of an out of body experience watching
like who was that? In particular? I think everybody remembers
you headbutting, Yeah guy, when you had no helmet?
Speaker 3 (41:25):
All right.
Speaker 7 (41:26):
Do you ever go back and look at that and go, oh, yeah,
that looks perfectly normal or you like, what the hell
was I thinking?
Speaker 3 (41:30):
Yeah? I didn't really think it was normal. Wow, it
was happening. So I mean, now, now you know a
couple of years removed Yeah, it's definitely one of those
deals where you know, you knew you were younger and
full of passion and adrenaline at the moment. But yeah,
I'll go back and watching stuff, you know now coaching
youth football. Try to show some things here and not
not even particularly myself, but just from kind of that era, right,
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I think linebacker plays a little bit different now when
it comes to a physicality standpoint and run fits.
Speaker 6 (41:56):
You were violent, dude.
Speaker 7 (41:57):
I mean you were, and I say that in a
complimentary way. Go back and show those highlights of you
a twenty nine, ten eleven back then I'm like, man,
there are not a lot of guys that play the
position that fiercely these.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
Sure, yeah, it's different, it's different, right, I mean the
game has gone faster, it's more spread, but there are
the teams that still implement the fullback and you need
those guys, you know, that want to run the ball
down your throat. You need a counter for that. Yeah,
So you know that's still out there, and I think
if you could do the best of both worlds and
still have that mindset, you can fit into any era
of football.
Speaker 8 (42:24):
Oh yeah, I'll talk to you after our segment about
all these duo teams are running because they're like basically, Sean,
here's the thing. These linebackers, they're tiny little fellas. Now
they're basically like a bunch of safeties up there playing linebacker.
An offense is saying, oh, okay, we're just gonna bully them.
And that's what I want to Brian Cushing, you know,
I want somebody that can actually stand up to that. Yes,
your son is playing football and you're coaching your son.
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And it thought to me, so I was wondering about, man,
what's it like being Brian Cushing's son playing football in Texas?
And then I remember, No, Clay Matthews, your friend, yep,
grew up with a grandfather, a father, and an.
Speaker 6 (42:54):
Uncle that played in the NFL.
Speaker 8 (42:56):
Is that to Clay give you any advice about like
some of the challenges you might be just you know,
people knowing.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
Who he is and yeah, you know, he touched upon
it ever since I knew him, from the first day,
you know. And it's just a level of expectations and
sometimes just preaching and them like you are your own person.
You at the end of the day have to do
this on your own. And the passion has to be
within you. So you know, I could teach, I can
coach and everything, but at the same time, we're not codependent.
Yeah right, he is his own person. All my kids
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there are their own kids and trying to and I
have to coach them all differently too. Write the personalities
and mindset and then and the learning capabilities are all
in different different ways, so I have to be aware
of that as well. But yeah, at the end of
the day, like I know, there's a lot more expectations
on them than when I was, you know, ten and
eleven years old.
Speaker 7 (43:37):
Viral video I mean actually yeah, Like there's a viral
video of your son that's popped up just piecing other
kids out there, you know, like what like how like
how does that work? Like how do you take like
does he does? Does your son know that he would?
There's video of him out there going oh man, I
can't wait.
Speaker 6 (43:51):
Are there anil bags right now? No?
Speaker 3 (43:53):
No, you know, and I try to I don't want
to say limit, but just kind of that exposure, I
gradually kind of introduce it, right, and it's something that,
like I said, I never had to deal with. I mean,
my first highlight video was probably my junior of high school,
and whoever had Braveles dot com was saw it and
nobody else, so it wasn't as abundant and it wasn't
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out there as much. So it is just a completely
new error where I'm learning along the way as well. Also.
But you know, as far as social media and all
this stuff, I don't let them have any of that.
You know, as Nick same you say all time, all
it is rat poison, right, and you start eating enough
of that, you're gonna believe it and the next thing
you know, you're not working as hard. So really just
trying to do it in the best manner as possible.
And at the same time, I'm still learning along the
way as to be a parent and a coach.
Speaker 8 (44:36):
The one guy on this team that Sean and I
were talking about that I feel like, I don't know
if you've gotten to know him yet, but I feel
like you guys would vibe well as Kamari last. Yeah,
because because you were you were, you loved being known
as a psycho, and he likes being know what did
somebody call him.
Speaker 6 (44:48):
The other day? JJ called him a car carrying psychopath.
Speaker 8 (44:52):
Yeah, yeah, and he was all about it. I feel
like he's I feel like you two could have some
good coverages.
Speaker 3 (44:56):
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely, I can tell by the way he plays,
you know, even I and some bad plays the camera,
Zuma is fac and he's got this kind of evil
smile and it's awesome. Yeah, you know, it's kind of
like that, that joker personality. And I remember my mom
called me after one time, she said, you your defense
call Accordnea called you a holy terror, Like is that
a good thing? And I was like, I think that's
pretty cool. Yeah, I like I buy with that, and
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so yeah, you know, guys, like I said, if you
have that mentality no matter what era you're playing, and
you're passionate enough about it, you can figure it out,
you could play.
Speaker 7 (45:25):
Then Yeah, Brian Couching, before we get you out of here,
I think most Texan fans know. But you and JJ
are brothers in law. You're married to two sisters who
both played soccer. You guys professional football players. I feel
like in a few years, y'all's family reunions are going
to be like the craziest Thundertone physical adventures.
Speaker 6 (45:40):
Ever, how is it being brothers in law with.
Speaker 3 (45:42):
Your former It's great, It's great, you know, and now
he's moved back to town too, so it's it's super
close to right around the corner from us, so you know,
just sharing our experiences together. And I'm a little bit
ahead of him in the process around My kids are
a little bit older, so you know, he's learned from it,
and and I do have a younger one that's close
to his youngest or second now oldest, so you know,
we're growing up as a family together. It's pretty cool.
Speaker 7 (46:03):
That's great man, Brian Cushing, Today's Texans legend, everybody, defensive
rookie of the Year, former Pro bowler here with the
Houston Texans.
Speaker 6 (46:10):
Cush Man, it's great to catch.
Speaker 3 (46:11):
Up with you. Great. Thank you guys.
Speaker 6 (46:13):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Brian Crushing.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
Everybody, thank you guys.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
All right, there's the conversation Brian Cushing on the pregame
show on Sunday with Sean and Seth. Now coming up
Texans matchup with Johnny. You want to hear how he
previews the Jags game and goes over some of the
things that went well in the Broncos game with the
number one defense in the league owned by your Houston
Texans and all of our trade deadline talk is up
(46:39):
on this show in podcast form in just a few
moments on the Odyssey app so check it out there.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
Have a great night everyone, Go Texans.
Hello Texans, welcome to the show. Great to have you
a board, Mark Vandermer and John Harris with you. We've
got another big program for you tonight. Jake Hansen, who
signed a contract extension, is going to be on the
show in this segment in just a few moments. Special
visit with Jake in studio and it was really cool.
Signed his deal right in front of us and then
we talked to him. This is awesome. I don't know
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if the videos up on YouTube yet at Houston Texans
dot com, but it will be soon enough.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
At the end of this show.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
I know we had Brian Cushing on last week during
our live program in front of the Houston Texans team
shop or actually in the team shop last week, but
he was also a guest on the pregame with Sean
and Seth. And you know, whenever you get somebody out
there with those guys, you have to revisit that audio
because many of you did not hear it. So that's
going to be the last thing you hear tonight in
the program before we get to Texan's matchup in our
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number two, because that is special. You don't want to miss.
Johnny Harris talking about the Jags matchup. So much history
between the huge Texans and Jacksonville Jaguars, including unfortunately a
loss this year already in North Florida, and the Texans
got their first ever road win of any kind against
the Jaguars in two thousand and two. I'm not gonna
go through all the highlights. I think we're gonna do
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that later this week. I want to come up with
a little historical segment because again this is an AFC
South foe back in the division for back to back
games Jag Sunday Titans the following Sunday. The matter at hand,
you gotta beat the Jaguars this Sunday to get to
four and five and try that five hundred thing again
with back to back wins and take it from there.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
But stop me.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Trade deadline came and went. We'll get to the Texans situation.
The biggest news of the day really the Colts situation,
because they traded for Sauce Gardner from the New York
freaking Jets, and the Jets got two ones and ad
Mitchell the Longhorn in the deal. Johnny Gut reaction Sauce
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to the Colts.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Oh, great job, Jets, great job, great job Jets. That
was my first It was like I saw it. I'm like, oh,
what I saw traded to the Colts, And I thought, okay.
Then I saw two first round picks and a player
to be named, and the player ends up being eighty Mitchell,
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and I just thought, wow, eighty Mitchell is the most
explosive player that the Colts have had, and he is
now gone. Now, obviously he had some mistakes, he had
some issues. He I don't want to see single handedly
costing the Rams game, but he single handedly costing the
Rams game and he hasn't played much lately, and I
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just think, holy smokes. There's so many thoughts. But from
the Jets side of it, you get two first rounders,
you in getting a second first rounder, you get a
twenty twenty seven first rounder, and twenty twenty seven's draft
is going to be loaded. Really, you said the receivers,
there's a ton of receivers. The edge rushers are unbelievable.
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Colin Simmons, Dylan Stewart from I saw Carolina, it is
loaded in twenty twenty seven. So getting those first round
picks in twenty twenty seven big. But there's so many
confusing aspects on the colt side so many I you know,
lou An and Rumo took over as the defensive coordinator. Now,
maybe down deep lou An Rumo is we're gonna play
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man coverage and get a sticky holding cover corner like
Sauce Gardner. And he's gonna shut down one half of
the field. Sorry, but that's not that's not Anon Rumo's defense.
And I don't think. I don't think Sauce is up
for that kind of action.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
I really don't.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
I don't think he's up for that we're gonna shut
down one side of the field thing. I really don't.
I think the last couple of years. Hum, Chris Ballard
doesn't make moves like this. He doesn't give up two
first round picks. He rarely, if ever drafts a first
round corners trading text with my buddy Lance aer Aline, Lance,
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who knows Ballad really really well. I've known a bout
for a long time. This just doesn't feel like a Ballard.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Wait a minute, Wait a.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Minute, you're not insinuating that the oh I'm insinuating. See
I'm insinuating carriers, say Gordon, i'mating may or may not
have had a hand in this one, and it would
not be unprecedented. Unprecedented in that organization, of course, because
this is an organization that once upon a time, not
that long ago literally hired Jeff's Saturday to coach the team.
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So that does not sound like something Chris Ballard would
have done either. No, that was an ownership move right there.
So maybe we had an ownership move. And as far
as pushing the chips to the center of the table,
it doesn't sound like a GM kind of move to
trade two ones for Sauce Gardner.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Are you wait, wait, wait, wait, trading two ones for somebody? Okay,
you're saying it doesn't work out signed, Well, look all right,
so let's go there for Abe. We did it once
upon a time here for Laramie.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Now, you paid a lot for Laramie, and you needed
a left tackle and you got a good left tackle
in Laramie, who was a part of a lot of
successful seasons here.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
It didn't get you over the.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Top, but you know, you had Laramie, but you lost
those ones, and those were big losses when you had
those drafts, and you needed to rebuild. But you got Laramie,
so that's good. Now they're gonna get Sauce a good corner.
Maybe he's not as great as two ones, but you
lose those ones. Here's the other element here. When the
Texans traded for Laramie, they had Deshaun Watson, who at
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the time was your franchise quarterback. We could put it
in their quotes if you want, but that was the
thinking right now, here's the thought process at the time.
Bodyguard for him. Have the Colts long term solved their
quarterback problem?
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Is it Daniel Jones?
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Is it him?
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Because you gave up two Ones? That's you saying we
got our guy, We're good. How are you going to
get somebody else?
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Now?
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Maybe you get lucky? Maybe you know.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Jones is part of this wave of their comparing him
to Sam Donald and Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Jones has got to complete the campaign.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Even Donald wasn't able to complete the campaign last year.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Jones has to beat a good team. Mark think of
the good teams he's played this year on the Colts
scheduled this year, Name me a good team on the
Indianapolis coach. It's just the Dolphins suck. The Broncos are good.
They won twenty nine to twenty eight, but they should
have lost and they got a leverage penalty at the
end of the game. They lost to the Rams. They
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beat the Titans, they beat the Raiders, they beat the Cardinals. Yeah, like, okay,
the Chargers decent team, decent team. They got hot. They
got hot in that game, put up thirty eight.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
I just think the Pittsburgh losses disturbing for that because
Jumps had five turnovers and he looked a lot like
Giants Jones.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
And now here comes the rest of their schedule. Now
they go to Germany this weekend'st the Falcons, then at Case,
Texans at Jacksonville at Seattle home, Niners home, Jags at Texans.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
It's gonna be tough, but look they've got They have
seven wins right now, as we all know, it's not
much of a leap to see them winning ten to eleven,
and the Texans have to go seven to two to
get to ten. Right now, the Jags have a better
chance of catching them record wise because they're five and
three and they played them twice. Right So, if I'm
a Jaguar right now, I'm thinking, hey, we got we
gotta bow up here somehow, you know, get our wins
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against the Colts and try to capture the division. I
still say the Colts obviously they're the favorite team to
win the division. Yeah, but how good are they gonna
be going into the postseason and where they're gonna be
going into the postseason if they win the division? Obviously
they host a home game, they host a playoff game
that opening week.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
We'll see.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
It remains to be seen how this all works out,
of course, because you just made the deal.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
But two ones just felt very steep to me. I
just feel like trading two months for any one player
that's not a quarterback, and even that hasn't worked. I mean,
look at the Browns traded for DeShawn I mean that
didn't work. Teams that are traded two ones for a player.
You could argue that the Laramie Tunsul deal that included
two ones actually was the best one to work out,
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because Laramie didn't give you five Pro Bowls. Now it ultimately,
I don't even say you ultimately didn't work out. I
just think it was time for Laramie to move on
and get where you ultimately wanted to go.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
But you also changed eras right a fly right, and
part of that was due to the fact that you
traded what you did for Laramie because you had to,
you know, after twenty twenty you had to totally rebuild
this thing with Nick Cassario, and he had to work
with no picks, right, Yeah, until he traded Watson, no
high picks, rather until he traded Watson. The twenty twenty
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one draft, which is going to be highlighted again this week.
Trevor Lawrence was part of that draft. Davis Mills was
part of that draft, the likely starter unless CJ makes
the miraculous recovery this week, which I'm all in for.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I hope that happens.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
And of course Nico Collins is part of that draft
for the Houston Texans. But they had no picks in
rounds one and two that draft. How many teams have
traded two to ones for a player and it work out.
That's a great question. Well, what did the Rams give
up for Stafford? It was golf, and I think they
gave up a couple of first Yeah, I think it
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was a couple and that's worked out. You have to
say that worked out.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
That actually worked out for both sides. Yeah, that's one
of both sides. It got the Lion going and it
got the Rams of Super Bowl, and it's gotten the
Rams to where they are. Klill Mack was traded to
the Chicago Bears for two ones. No, didn't work out. Now,
the Raiders screwed that up because they didn't draft with
those first round picks anybody that was any good that
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was one pick. Jamal Adams got traded from the Jets
to the Seahawks for two first they're trad didn't work out.
They're treating these ones like NBA ones. Yeah, you know,
but four ones?
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Okay, whatever, even those picks, Johnny, I look at the
great players in the NBA, and I look where they're drafted,
and not everybody can be the number one overall pick
in the draft. Some of these teams are drafting well
and they find the guy down the line. Okay, we
have more to talk about regarding this, and much more
on the Jaguars because they are banged up beyond belief,
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but we'll discuss that in the next segment. Right now,
let's get to Jake Hanson, who visited with us in
studio signing an extension Special teams player extraordinary really soiled
the linebacker for this team and part of that twenty
twenty two undrafted free a class under Lovey Smith and
Nick Casiio. On a special occasion, it's linebacker Jake Hanson
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contract extension right here in the hun Day Texans Radio studio.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Jake, congratulations, Thank you guys.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
I appreciate you. Yeah, very lucky, very lucky.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
So yeah, what does this mean to you, especially during
the season. This is very cool to have you extended
during the season, well, I.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
Mean going into next It's just provided me a little
security for next year. So super excited for it. Super
excited for me and my wife. We know we're going
to be in Houston for another year and be part
of such a great organization, great coaches, great management, so
great owners. Were super excited to be a part of
this organization for another year.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Jake, I know, had you not gotten injured at ilinoi
Er last year, I'm convinced you you would have been drafted.
I don't think they're to me. There's any no questions.
You would have gone and Senior Bowl. You'd have blown
it up, combine all that kind of stuff. You just
show everybody that you would have been drafted. But in
the end you weren't. Have you carried that chip on
your shoulder kind of with you as you've gone through.
Has that driven you or that just something you don't
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even think about. I just go play ball.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Well, I like to tell myself too how to get drafted.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
But I definitely keep that as a chip on my
shoulder and where it is like a badge of like, hey,
people didn't expect me to be here.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
It didn't expect me to make it.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
And I think that's you see that a lot from
guys that were undrafted, even like guys on the Texans
like Kurt Heiness. But it I definitely wear it as
like a badge of honor and something I like to like,
like you said, use it as a chip to hey, like,
people weren't expecting me to be here, so it is
it makes it that much.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
More gratifying and kind of drives me to continue and
continue to reach new heights.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
So Jake, with undrafted free agents, I know, sometimes it's
almost like recruiting all over again once the draft is over.
But Lovey Smith was here and he coached you in college.
How much did that play into you coming here? And
were there are other options as well? You can tell
us now.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
Yeah, well, I mean it was a huge it was
having Levey here was a huge reason why I wanted
to be around here. I knew I could come in
and like play Mike and make the play calls and
make the checks. And because I played in that defense
for five years and I just knew how his style
of coaching and like this is how I played. I
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knew we were gonna mesh well, and knew the linebacker
coach as well.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Linebacker coach was my linebacker coach in college.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
So it was just it was great continuity for me,
and it was my best opportunity, And honestly, I didn't
going there was a lot of teams that had backed out,
like they had found some Going in, we thought we're
gonna have a lot of undrafted options.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
But then like once the draft was.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
Ending, it was Houston came in, and then a few
other teams we thought were that kind of just said hey,
we're we're good right now, We're gonna hold off for
and like so it was really, honestly, my really it
was my main opportunity. Atlanta called me the next day
and I had already signed with Houston, so it was
kind of a done deal. But yeah, Atlanta the next
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day maybe, but it was really only Houston, so very nice,
meant to be around here, good for us.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Well, I was gonna say something about the Falcons, but
I won't say it. I'll say it off the air.
But we got lucky, man, because we got a guy
like I said that, had you, had you been healthy
through that year, I'm convinced you would have been drafted
because all that you bring. You talk about playing the mic,
but you play every linebacker position, You're on every special team.
I don't uh, I don't know how many plays you
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end up playing during a game, but you impact so
many of them. And I don't want to say like
accepting your role, but knowing what your role is, and
you know what your role is and you take it
to the end degree. And it feels like the more
players you have around at all levels of a team
that know what his role is going to be and
then plays that role to the hilt every single week,
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that's the more successful that you're going to be. How
do you look at that, Jake, as far as this
is what I know my role is going to be,
and I'm gonna go out and master it that week
and that season and beyond.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
I mean, I think it part of it was learning
from like guys that are older than me. I mean,
you want to play on defense, and like every day
I'm working to be more of an impact player on defense.
But I mean learning guy like from guys like Neville
Hewitt who was in the room and uh, like.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
When I was a rookie Jalen Reeves.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
Maybe just guys that are like rotational linebackers and special
teams players.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
So learning that you can make a great.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
Living in this league playing on special teams and being
a being an impact player on special teams and trying
and when you have everyone on a team that's doing
like like you said, know their role and try to
do it the best they can, I think you can
have a you have good success, and I think that's.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
Why coach Ryan's and uh the.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
Texans have had We've had some good success in the
past few years.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
So how difficult does that make practice because you are
on so many special teams units and have to practice
linebacker and very few breaks here Jake it Uh.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
I mean, it adds another part of practice, but it's
just I mean, like you said, you know that that's
part of the job going in and.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
That's I mean, if.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
You want to stick around long enough, like you have to,
like you have to accept those roles and take maybe
do a little extra work and watch different Like I
might watch a little bit more of a special teams
for this game because I know my role is gonna
be a little bit less on defense, so I might
watch a little bit more of this versus like some
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defensive film, so that all those things kind of go
into it.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
So yesterday, I don't even know if you noticed this,
but I noticed it when it happened, and I went
back and I watched it again this morning. When a
fuelgal gets blocked, if the ball goes down the field
and the block team touches it, the offense can get
on it. I think a lot of people know that rule,
but there are a lot of people that don't know
that rule. There was somebody in a blue shirt that
started taking off for the ball.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
We won't name Nan, we will.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Protect the innocent here, but you nearly tackled him to
make sure that he didn't go after the ball. And
I just I love to play because I've talked so
often about you got the physical skills to play this game,
there's no question. But you're as smart as it gets
on in the field. Can you take us through what
happened in that place still protecting the innocent.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
Well, I mean it is like it's a play that
I mean, it doesn't happen often, right, like it rarely
had Like how many block kicks are there in the league,
not like not many. We've been fortune in the past
two weeks we've got them. So it was kind of
like rehearsed a little bit, Like last week. I kind
of remembered, all right, we got to stay away from
this thing, right and unless.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
It like lands in your lap and you can go
and return it a little bit.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
So, but we don't want it was a bigger guy,
So we want the big guys running with that thing
down the field.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
So wait, not to give away state secrets, but opponents,
I believe are three for nine from beyond thirty or
something like that against the Texans kicking field goals. It's
it's ridiculously not good. So why is that? I know
Deniko's got two of them? You guys, are you making
them think about it? What is your theory on that?
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Jake?
Speaker 5 (16:52):
I mean I think well, one, Deniko Autry's like the
best at like ever at like blocking kicks, like him
getting his hand up and Derrek Barnett's also one of
those guys.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
Our interior rush is just like.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
We take pride in field goal block you know, And
I think coach coach Ross Frank does a great job
and like getting us prepared and putting those guys in
the right positions to make those plays. So he'd I know,
they he does a great job getting them prepared and
they they take pride in that job. And Deniko's like
actually like one of the best in the ever to do.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
With block kicks. So we're very lucky to have those
guys on our team.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
When you come into the NFL, very rarely do you
get to sign exactly where you know. I grew up.
I was a fan of the Jets, but you end
up playing for the Niners. You know, I was playing
the Bears, you end up being a Lion. I don't
know how much you knew about Houston when you came here,
but in the years that you've been here, Jake, and
you've been here for a little bit, Now what's Houston
been like for you come to the place kind of
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a sight unseen and now you've been here for four
or five years, what's that kind of been like for
you at this stage in your life to live here
in Houston.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
B You're in Houston.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
Well, my wife and I we love it. It's the city.
It is a great city. It's like growing up in
I grew up in Tampa, so I'm used to like
the weather and the climate and stuff like that. But
it's it's a great food scene, there's great people here,
and it's grown on me so much. I think my
rookie year it was a little bit different. We were expecting, like,
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a Houston's a big city, but it doesn't feel like
I went to grew up in Illinois or I grew
up went to college in Illinois and like went to
like Chicago a lot and was expecting it to kind
of feel like a Chicago big city.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
But it's like a newer uh a.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
Lot different than Chicago downtown versus just in downtown. But
figured out what Houston's all about, and it's a it's
a great city.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
We love it. And yeah, I'm excited to be an
that round for year five. So yeah, wait, so.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
When did you get married again? It wasn't that long ago? Yeah,
in June said it was last June. Okay, So it's
still fresh here. We are very fresh and yeah, it's
it's amazing really because you've really grown up here, you know.
Speaker 5 (19:04):
Yeah, yeah, Houston's kind of raised my wife and I
like we've we've grown up a lot, like our young
adulthood together.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
So it's been it's been a lot of fun.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
And it'd be cool to say that, like we spent
five years in Houston and.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
Uh, hopefully spend as many as we can, so.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
We don't want to ask you about how things are
going in the marriage. But still marriage still happens. Yeah,
it's still working all these months. How is it though
during the season? How how tough is that for because
the hours can be crazy. You don't have a lot
of time off traveling on every other weekend. But how
has that kind of been kind of I mean she
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adjusted to it having been around for a while, it's
been like.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Yeah, I mean we've been we've been living together for.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
Like a few years before we got married, so she
knew what we were like what we were is going
into the season.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
So it's been it's it's it's been great.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
Like we know, like there's we need to take advantage
of Fridays like our date night and uh like tonight's
a good night. We're going into an off day and
we get to spend a little more time with each
other on the off day, and we just.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Make we maximize the time we have. And uh, yeah,
it's been it's been great, man.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
And I always tell people who married license hasn't been
any different than what it was before.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
And that's that's the way. That's the way we want
to keep it.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
All right, one more for you.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
It's Salute to Service week as the Texans take on
the Jaguars. So you have to join a branch of
the Armed Services Army, Navy, air Force, Marines, or Coastguard.
Which one are you joining?
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Jake?
Speaker 1 (20:38):
We're sending you away for four or five years, so
you have to pick.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
I feel like ED want to go, probably the Air Force,
airflying plane.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Flat planes, top Yeah, I know, top gun. Yes, yes,
what would what would your codename be? There's Maverick, there's Viper. Uh,
there was Hangman that was in the newest.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
Yeah, probably just be like my Instagram handle jugs or something.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
That's part all sign jugs. YEAHI graphics to do a
helmet for you.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Jake.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Congratulations, Thanks a love for joining us. Thank you guys,
appreciate you all right, there's Jake Hanson.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Great to visit with Jake.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
When we get back, more on the trade deadline situation
and the Jags, who are really banged up coming in
here on Sunday, what they might look like. It's all
happening here on Texans Radio. Right back into the fray
here in the hun Day Texans Radio studio. Mark vandermir
John Harris with you. Great to hear from Jake Hanson
in the last segment. Plenty of reaction to the Sauce Gardner,
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to the Colts deal, and the Jags also making a
deal today. Jacobi Meyers receiver going from the Raiders to
Jacksonville for a four and a six, and the Jags
are all sorts of banged up at receiver. They have
Travis Hunter on IR right now, but he can come back.
They have Brian Thomas Junior all banged up. Johnny Diami
(22:00):
Brown is all banged up. This is tough because late
in that game with the Raiders, they were going with
names you don't know so well at receiver and somehow
pulled it out against the Raiders there and there are
numerous things I want to talk about regarding that game
and the Jaguars, but Meyers a jag thoughts they.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Got to get him in doctrinated quickly because with no
Travis Hunter, he won't be able to come off ir
at least for the next three weeks. But it sounds
like it's gonna be a little longer than that. Brian
Thomas Junior will be the big one. I know he
missed time in that Raiders game, and I want to
say he came back in, but at the end of
the game, Trevor Lawrence is thrown to Tim Jones. He's iffy.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
I think Thomas as iffy and brown as if he
and also if he on the defensive side, Devin Lloyd,
if he for that one one with a calf, so
that could be a nice miss for the Texans because
he was an animal when they played him in North.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Flot destroyed us, destroyed us. And you know when you
go to our lads, which is where I get my
depth chart information, because they updated pretty policy. They color
code everything, so if it's like a magenta, that's a rookie.
If it's red, it's somebody hurt. And they have six
receivers listed. Three of them have read Brian Thomas junior,
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Tim Patrick, Diamie Brown, at least, Parker Washington recently acquired
Jakobe Myers and Austin Trammell. Yeah, I think of Rice
if I remember correctly, in that game, Yeah, he did,
he did some good things. And then on defense, what
two guys probably hurt us more than any other, Devin
Lloyd and Jordan Lewis, and both of them are listed
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in red. Josh Allen is still upright last night checked,
and that's Trayvon Walker got ejected from that game throwing
a punch. Yeah, but I don't think that would bleed
over to our game.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
I wish it would just to teach them, just to
teach molest just to teach him.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Repeated offenses, I guess, which is what they got disease
for last year.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
I guess.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
So anyway, boy, they've lightened up on these because Frankie
Luvu gets one game and he's the hip drop specialist.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Right, and that's happened multiple times.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
And as these gets ripped by the league in three games,
it's all.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Optics, I guess. So you know what's got to be.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
It's all optics, you know, Johnny, And this is a
tangent the league's finding system and punishment system.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
I've always wanted it to be more uniform than it is.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Exact.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
These fine numbers are absolutely silly, Right, You have these
weird dollar amounts and nothing really makes sense. And then
you start looking at this equals that, and it really doesn't.
You're looking for something congruent. It's just not there.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
And then as he's in the locker room, he's asked
about to hit, and I felt like A Z's handled
it about as well as she could have, because he's
talking about, you know, Chris Abrams drain watching a guy
that he hit on a field and what that is
like and everything. And then as he's made the point,
which was there's not even a penalty called, whereas when
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that happened against us in Jacksonville, he got a penalty
for the hit, he got a penalty for personal file
I think after so it was like thirty yards of penalties.
And then he gets suspended for three games. Yeah, and
on top of being fine, I'm sure. So it's like,
holy cow, the equity in that is it isn't there.
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And I think that's that's the part to me that
that bothers me is just is the equity. I've we
went through the hit the CJ took and I've seen
different angles of that hit, and do not get me wrong,
it is a violent hit and I hated seeing my
guy get hit that way. But Chris Abrams Drain was
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guilty of really just hitting him hard as he was
going to the ground, But he didn't lead with his head.
He didn't hit CJ in the head. But the fact
that we spent the year prior missing our middle linebacker
and our defensive leader for three games because the NFL
arbitrarily said, oh yeah, he should be suspended for three
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games for that kind of hit, It's like, wait a second, whoa?
And then the basis for their argument was, you know
the letter that came from John Runyon that criticizes Ease
for the type of basically the type of person he was.
I'm like, whoa, it got personal, bro, what is this?
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (26:30):
But they never repealed it, and that's that to me.
You can mark. You can't have that. You can't have
a gap like that.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Right.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
If you would have said Asease gets fined for he
gets fined and he gets suspended for a game, understood,
I could? I would today I would feel like, all right,
Frankie luvu one game for doing you know, the repeated
hip drop tackles, for multiple hip drop tackles, like, okay,
a game. You will never convince me that Aziz al
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show I should have gotten three games for a suspension
last year. Never And that to me, the inequity is
what bothers me the most.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Look, take that out of it, Abram's drain. I really
felt like could have held up a little bit better. Yeah,
maybe a lot better. I thought the flag, the picking
up of the flag after all, that was a little
too much.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Leave the flag. We just lost our quarterback. It was
clearly a hard hit.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Clearly I thought he could have held up a little
maybe can't stop the contact.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
I get it, there's a slide. I'm already engaged.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
But he went low to get him a little extra
because he's a quarterback. And that was effective, if you will,
lack of a better term, as CJ was knocked out
of the freaking game. All right, So on that subject, wait,
hold on a second. Yeah, we just did the math
on something. Had that happened for the two thousand and
nine Saints.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
M No, I'm not gonna go there. I'm not gonna
go there. Oh my gosh, I'm not gonna go there,
but just you know, all right, let's go. Let's go here.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Concussion protocol and Nick Asario, we visited with him. You'll
hear that tomorrow night, and that might be on YouTube already.
Our visit with the executive vice president and general manager.
We talked about the protocol. There are various stages to
go through. You would need everything to click absolutely perfectly
to see CJ.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Stroud on Sunday. He would have to pass.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
The first test and then do a little something and
then pass the second. There are a lot of hurdles,
a lot of hills to climb here to get him
in the lineup on Sunday. I'd love to see him
put on the cape and get there. But let's just say,
for the purposes of this conversation, you're gonna go with Davis,
Mills and Davis against the Jaguars.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
We talked about it. Four or five and one against
the division. This is a team.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
He scene when he looks at that uniform Trevor Lawrence
across the way, fellow classmate from twenty twenty one. Even
though Mills was third rounder, Lawrence number one overall pick
in the draft.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
This is not unfamiliar to Davis. Playing at home.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
You know, you should be able to operate communication wise
effectively at home full week of practice.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
I feel good about it.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
In that way and their ability to put together a
game plan for Davis because I think the way the
defense is going to handle the Jags and you have
to stop ETN but this defense is capable of that.
This is the lowest scoring defense in Texans history through
eight weeks of play. This is the best defense they've
ever had, and the competition is tough.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
These are not slouched teams.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
They're playing to fatten up their stats, and they're playing
with an offense that is challenged a lot of the time,
YEP to move the ball, convert third downs, all that
they're on the field a lot. In other words, they
have to make stop after stop and they've been doing it,
so I like their chances of coming up with the
big stops against the Jags. You might have to win
this one fifteen to ten or something.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
You might have to do that. You'll take it anyway.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
You can get it, especially if your starting quarterback is out.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
I say this all the time. My starting quarterback is
out and we've had CJ out for you know, two
games in his career well, one against the Artists formally
known as the Oilers and then against the Browns. Those
are only two games that he is now. He played
very slightly in the very shortly tight against the Titans
and twenty last year that was it. But there's those
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two games, and I remember thinking, I don't care how
we do it. You could put you and me at quarterback,
it doesn't matter. Just find Those are games where you
find a way to win. I tell this story a
lot many years ago when I was coaching. I lost
my quarterback and the second quarter of a game that
we absolutely had to have, like had to have it
the last ISCAR game we're playing. We had to win
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that game to be able to have any shot at
the playoffs. And my quarterback was down in the middle
of the second quarter. We alread rushed one hundred ninety
yards at that point, and he accounted for one long
run of sixty five and another one like thirty five.
So I'm like, what do I do. I'm like, I
gotta do whatever takes to finish the game. So I
basically ran single wing the rest of the game. I
took my tailback. I put him in a shotgun. I
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put the fullback next to him, and we just ran
a bunch of quarterback runs the way different things and
you're already running it. Well, it didn't at that point
the sexiness of the win, or, as Sean likes to say,
the style points, they don't matter. The style points do
not matter in any game in which my backup quarterback
is playing, and if Davis has to play, even though
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Davis has played a lot of those games, I don't.
I don't care what the style points are. However you
score touchdowns. I don't care if you stumble bum your
way into fourteen points offensively and then a defense gives you.
I don't, I don't care. I have a suggestion, whatever
it takes. I have a suggestion.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Okay, what happened Week two in twenty eighteen when the
Titans were down to Blaine Gabbert Wild Henry. So I
want to see the wild Woodie? What a name that
would be? The wild Woody? Take some snabs, Woodie?
Speaker 2 (31:40):
What about?
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (31:41):
All right, let's get crazy, let's put let's put Chubb
and Woody back there. Yeah, let's do that.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Davis goes out wide, all right, and you still have
to put a guy on him because you have to.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Account for him.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
So I'm gonna use up at B and now if
they could just practice a little slight of hand.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Hey, we got something here to prove my point.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Though.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
How did the Titans score that day? They had They
had a fake punt where we didn't cover the outside
guy and Dane Krukshank took one, oh yeah, caught it
and took down. Then they got into wild Henry and
drove one drive, and then I think they had a
field goal, another field goal, and I think it'd be
a seventeen fourteen. I think it was like twenty seventeen
or seventeen fourteen, because we're driving for a towing field goal.
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So Gabbert didn't really do anything in the game, but
he just kept the train on the tracks and they
found a way. And that's essentially when your backup quarterbacks playing.
To me, I don't care what the style points look like.
I don't care if you win twelve nine. I don't
care if you win twelve eleven. I don't care if
you win forty forty seven. Just put some points up
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on the board. And especially when you got a defense
like this. Now, if your defense was a complete sieve,
then I'd be like, all right, you gotta do whatever
you gotta do, trick plays and everything else. You gotta
play your game, and hopefully Davis will get in a
rhythm early and can find what he likes in the
passing game and they can run the ball against the
Jaguars is very difficult. Jaguars have one of the better
run defenses in the league. But you still got to
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try and move the ball in the ground. And again,
I've said this about running the football many, many, many
many times, and I'll enforce it again here. It doesn't
mean just turning around and handing the ball to the
running back. You run the ball that way. There can
be other ways that you can quote unquote run the ball.
The fourth and two d Christian Kirk the other day
on a little out route. That's a run play. I mean,
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I know it's a pass play, it's a run play.
It's just a little short, quick out. You go get
the yards you want. You basically blocked it up with
the little pick route you ran. You can run the
ball differently.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
All right.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Another move that happened during the day, Quentin Williams going
from the Jets to Dallas and among the comp a
one wow as Williams as a cowboy. I don't know
where the Cowboys think they're going because I don't know
if that fixes their defense, and maybe they're just doing
it to do it.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
But again, these picks, they have value.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
The Jets are cleaning up, stockpiling picks for the coming years.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Absolutely, And I know you give a Quinn Williams and
Sauce Gardner, but where are you going with them? Right?
Where you're going with them? So you might as well
get guys that your GM Drrenmujie and Aaron Glenn want
to have in the system. And now you have at
least three first rounders that that you're getting over the
next couple of years in addition to your picks, and
you stink. So you might get the first the first
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pick of the draft, so you'll probably get a shot
at a quarterback. One of those picks is going to
end up being a quarterback at some point. I would think.
Now you'd rather I think you would rather have the
number one overall pick in twenty twenty seven to twenty
twenty six.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
But you're not gonna plan for that, but you can't
plan for that because Aaron glam will not be around. No, No,
that's exactly right, because he has he ain't gonna be
the one.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Making that pick, right. So at that point, the Jet
kind of like the Colts. It's it's baffling to me.
Now the Colts have somewhere to go. The Cowboys lost
last night or three to five and one. Yeah, where
are they going?
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Where they go anywhere. It's almost as if Jerry had
to make this move so he can say, hey, we
gave up Micah to go get quinnn Williams. Look at
us now, But I don't know what that does at all.
Don't get it. Well, we'll see.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
It's the greatest reality show ever the NFL. And coming up,
Brian Cushing was on the pregame show with Sean and
Seth and that was an outstanding conversation. Let's hear some
of that, among other things here on Texans All Access.
Final segment here on tonight's show. And if you miss
some of our conversation on the trade deadline moves around
the NFL, catch the podcast right after the show is
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over on the Odyssey app and later on on Spotify
or wherever else you get your podcasts now. We got
a healthy dose of Brian Cushing last week at the
Houston Texans team Shop. But I wanted to go here
because this is great content. Brian on the pregame show
with Sean Pendergast and Seth Payne right on the radio
stage with the fans roaring in approval of having the
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all time leading tackler in franchise history on stage.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Let's listen in.
Speaker 6 (36:01):
We've heard from a lot of former Texas and Dimiico
this week.
Speaker 7 (36:03):
I just Janis McNair and the McNair family, and they're
important to bringing football back here to Houston.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Yeah, it's everything, right, I mean, obviously I didn't grow
up here, but just getting the background once I was
drafted here and found out about how important football is
to this city, you know, and then once you're able
to bring professional football back to Houston, obviously, the McNair's
were the critical, huge part behind that, had a ton
of passion behind bringing the sport back to Houston and
has just helped the community and the city so much
and forever grateful and thankful to time.
Speaker 8 (36:29):
It's got to be fun for you for a couple
of reasons. One, you know, you played with Demiko, he
was kind of your mentor. But then to watch the
way this defense has played over the last couple of years,
this is a very a very Brian Cushing style of play.
Speaker 6 (36:40):
Is that fair to say?
Speaker 3 (36:40):
I think so? Yeah, absolutely. I mean they're aggressive, it's
fun to watch and run around, and you can tell
they played a lot of passion. I think it comes
directly from their head coach.
Speaker 8 (36:47):
Yeah, what we were talking earlier about when you came in,
you know Jamiko Ryan's is a veteran by that point.
What did he mean to you as a young player.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Yeah. I touched about upon this a little bit the
other day. And I came in and obviously I was
a high draft pick and Tamiko played kind of a
similar position, and I didn't know what to really expect
about how he treated me. And I came in and
from day one it was like a big brother role
and there was no information you ever hit from me.
He was completely transparent and he wanted to share all
knowledge and experience he had with me to help me
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be better and essentially help the team be better. And
that's just kind of the person leader he is. And
to ever know that someone would eventually be a head coach,
and I had to pick anyone I ever played with,
it would have been him.
Speaker 6 (37:29):
Yeah, no, no doubt. Brian Kushing joining us here.
Speaker 7 (37:31):
He's our Texans legend presented by Chevron, the Human Human
Energy Company. Let's go back to when you were drafted
by the Texans, still a pretty young franchise at the time.
Only I think you got here in two thousand and nine,
so heading into the eighth season and your guy who
from Jersey played in southern California. What did you know
about Houston and what did you think when you got
drafted to the Houston teachs?
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Never never had been to Houston before. I've only been
in Texas probably twice. Before that, I was in a
layover in Dallas and I played in an All Star
Game in San Antonio, so that was really about it.
My dad had come down here a bunch of busines
this before. I really liked the city. I was excited
about it, but remember being drafted, come down in April
thinking that was hot, and they were this is nothing right.
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So I was like, all right, we'll get used to it.
But yeah, just from day one city just I mean
Houston just fell like home. And then the way that
the fans and the city just embraced me. And like
you said, it was a young franchise, right, We had
never been to playoffs, we never had a winning season before,
so there's a lot of figuring out along the way,
and you know, I was just I was I was
happy to be at that part of the organization to
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help that identity.
Speaker 8 (38:32):
Well you and you were there too when it was
still I mean, the defense was still struggling and it
was a couple of years before things.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
Kind of kind of clicked.
Speaker 8 (38:40):
What was that like in twenty eleven when all of
a sudden is that is that the first time it
felt like, oh okay, this is this is what it's
supposed to be Like.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
Yeah, I think it was week three, two or three.
We went down in New Orleans and they were rolling.
You know, they were obviously on fire. Drew Brees, everybody,
Sean Payton was there, and uh, you know, we were
kind of We eventually lost the game and it was
a close game. It was a primetime game, I think
it was a Sunday night game, and defensively we were
just on it, and it just felt like this is
what a good defense and this is what a good
team feels like. And even though we lost, I think
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it was a turning point of really our mindset and
we just built from that point on.
Speaker 4 (39:13):
That was what.
Speaker 8 (39:13):
Yeah, there was a game, Well, Jonathan Joseph picked Drew
Brees and you probably fooled Drew Brees. Yeah, like you
can see from Drew Brees afterwards, was kind of like
he just he's gotten fooled by however Jonathan Joseph had
made him. I remember watching on TV. Yeah, you think like, oh, oh,
this is good, this is different. We haven't seen this.
Speaker 7 (39:30):
I remember it was week three because I remember Week four,
you guys came back here and you played Pittsburgh, and
I think that was the game where the fan base
felt like, Okay, you guys had like an eleven minute
drive to open the game on offense and you guys
smoked Ben Roethlisberger all day long.
Speaker 6 (39:45):
And that was a super Bowl team the year before.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, they were, and we were. We were
hiped up for it. It was. It was a different
vibe in the locker room before the game and after
the game. I remember Ian Rappaport being in the locker
room after the game, and he was just kind of
shocked by how he played, and and kind of our
confidence afterwards in the locker room too. We felt like
we belonged. We felt like we belonged, but we were
hungry and we just loved playing. We love playing.
Speaker 8 (40:08):
Are you still in retirement doing Brazilian jiu jitsu?
Speaker 3 (40:11):
Yeah? Are you? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (40:12):
I was.
Speaker 8 (40:13):
I was wondering about when you first got into that.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
I remember that you would.
Speaker 8 (40:17):
I thought you said you had wrestled in high school
a little bit, a little bit, so you knew going
in in New Jersey, like at a good wrestling school. Yes,
so you knew going in that, Okay, some guy that
I would like that I'm seventy pounds heavier than me,
is gonna probably kick my butt. It wasn't a surprise
to you.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
It wasn't a surprise, but it's still hurt my feelings
when it happened. So, you know, I kind of went
and open minded. But it was one of those deals.
It's a very humbling sport, and when that would happen,
I'd say, Okay, that sucks, but teach me how you
did that.
Speaker 6 (40:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
Right, So it was one of those deals whereas it was.
It was a eye opening experience. I knew it, but
you know, once it still happens. It's still one of
those deals.
Speaker 4 (40:50):
Have you competed at all?
Speaker 3 (40:51):
I haven't. Yeah, I haven't. I haven't dedicate. I haven't
gone in one hundred percent enough where if I lost,
I can say, all right, I trained all that I could.
I'd be kicking myself if I wouldn't. Now I'm like
masters too with my age, so I don't know how
that would work, but maybe down the line.
Speaker 8 (41:06):
Yeah, wait, until you get old enough, do you really
feel like you can just exactly.
Speaker 7 (41:12):
Ryan Kushing joining us out here, you use our Texans
legend this week? Do you ever go back and watch
any of your your highlights or video you out there
and have sort of an out of body experience watching
like who was that? In particular? I think everybody remembers
you headbutting, Yeah guy, when you had no helmet?
Speaker 3 (41:25):
All right.
Speaker 7 (41:26):
Do you ever go back and look at that and go, oh, yeah,
that looks perfectly normal or you like, what the hell
was I thinking?
Speaker 3 (41:30):
Yeah? I didn't really think it was normal. Wow, it
was happening. So I mean, now, now you know a
couple of years removed Yeah, it's definitely one of those
deals where you know, you knew you were younger and
full of passion and adrenaline at the moment. But yeah,
I'll go back and watching stuff, you know now coaching
youth football. Try to show some things here and not
not even particularly myself, but just from kind of that era, right,
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I think linebacker plays a little bit different now when
it comes to a physicality standpoint and run fits.
Speaker 6 (41:56):
You were violent, dude.
Speaker 7 (41:57):
I mean you were, and I say that in a
complimentary way. Go back and show those highlights of you
a twenty nine, ten eleven back then I'm like, man,
there are not a lot of guys that play the
position that fiercely these.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
Sure, yeah, it's different, it's different, right, I mean the
game has gone faster, it's more spread, but there are
the teams that still implement the fullback and you need
those guys, you know, that want to run the ball
down your throat. You need a counter for that. Yeah,
So you know that's still out there, and I think
if you could do the best of both worlds and
still have that mindset, you can fit into any era
of football.
Speaker 8 (42:24):
Oh yeah, I'll talk to you after our segment about
all these duo teams are running because they're like basically, Sean,
here's the thing. These linebackers, they're tiny little fellas. Now
they're basically like a bunch of safeties up there playing linebacker.
An offense is saying, oh, okay, we're just gonna bully them.
And that's what I want to Brian Cushing, you know,
I want somebody that can actually stand up to that. Yes,
your son is playing football and you're coaching your son.
(42:44):
And it thought to me, so I was wondering about, man,
what's it like being Brian Cushing's son playing football in Texas?
And then I remember, No, Clay Matthews, your friend, yep,
grew up with a grandfather, a father, and an.
Speaker 6 (42:54):
Uncle that played in the NFL.
Speaker 8 (42:56):
Is that to Clay give you any advice about like
some of the challenges you might be just you know,
people knowing.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
Who he is and yeah, you know, he touched upon
it ever since I knew him, from the first day,
you know. And it's just a level of expectations and
sometimes just preaching and them like you are your own person.
You at the end of the day have to do
this on your own. And the passion has to be
within you. So you know, I could teach, I can
coach and everything, but at the same time, we're not codependent.
Yeah right, he is his own person. All my kids
(43:22):
there are their own kids and trying to and I
have to coach them all differently too. Write the personalities
and mindset and then and the learning capabilities are all
in different different ways, so I have to be aware
of that as well. But yeah, at the end of
the day, like I know, there's a lot more expectations
on them than when I was, you know, ten and
eleven years old.
Speaker 7 (43:37):
Viral video I mean actually yeah, Like there's a viral
video of your son that's popped up just piecing other
kids out there, you know, like what like how like
how does that work? Like how do you take like
does he does? Does your son know that he would?
There's video of him out there going oh man, I
can't wait.
Speaker 6 (43:51):
Are there anil bags right now? No?
Speaker 3 (43:53):
No, you know, and I try to I don't want
to say limit, but just kind of that exposure, I
gradually kind of introduce it, right, and it's something that,
like I said, I never had to deal with. I mean,
my first highlight video was probably my junior of high school,
and whoever had Braveles dot com was saw it and
nobody else, so it wasn't as abundant and it wasn't
(44:14):
out there as much. So it is just a completely
new error where I'm learning along the way as well. Also.
But you know, as far as social media and all
this stuff, I don't let them have any of that.
You know, as Nick same you say all time, all
it is rat poison, right, and you start eating enough
of that, you're gonna believe it and the next thing
you know, you're not working as hard. So really just
trying to do it in the best manner as possible.
And at the same time, I'm still learning along the
way as to be a parent and a coach.
Speaker 8 (44:36):
The one guy on this team that Sean and I
were talking about that I feel like, I don't know
if you've gotten to know him yet, but I feel
like you guys would vibe well as Kamari last. Yeah,
because because you were you were, you loved being known
as a psycho, and he likes being know what did
somebody call him.
Speaker 6 (44:48):
The other day? JJ called him a car carrying psychopath.
Speaker 8 (44:52):
Yeah, yeah, and he was all about it. I feel
like he's I feel like you two could have some
good coverages.
Speaker 3 (44:56):
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely, I can tell by the way he plays,
you know, even I and some bad plays the camera,
Zuma is fac and he's got this kind of evil
smile and it's awesome. Yeah, you know, it's kind of
like that, that joker personality. And I remember my mom
called me after one time, she said, you your defense
call Accordnea called you a holy terror, Like is that
a good thing? And I was like, I think that's
pretty cool. Yeah, I like I buy with that, and
(45:18):
so yeah, you know, guys, like I said, if you
have that mentality no matter what era you're playing, and
you're passionate enough about it, you can figure it out,
you could play.
Speaker 7 (45:25):
Then Yeah, Brian Couching, before we get you out of here,
I think most Texan fans know. But you and JJ
are brothers in law. You're married to two sisters who
both played soccer. You guys professional football players. I feel
like in a few years, y'all's family reunions are going
to be like the craziest Thundertone physical adventures.
Speaker 6 (45:40):
Ever, how is it being brothers in law with.
Speaker 3 (45:42):
Your former It's great, It's great, you know, and now
he's moved back to town too, so it's it's super
close to right around the corner from us, so you know,
just sharing our experiences together. And I'm a little bit
ahead of him in the process around My kids are
a little bit older, so you know, he's learned from it,
and and I do have a younger one that's close
to his youngest or second now oldest, so you know,
we're growing up as a family together. It's pretty cool.
Speaker 7 (46:03):
That's great man, Brian Cushing, Today's Texans legend, everybody, defensive
rookie of the Year, former Pro bowler here with the
Houston Texans.
Speaker 6 (46:10):
Cush Man, it's great to catch.
Speaker 3 (46:11):
Up with you. Great. Thank you guys.
Speaker 6 (46:13):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Brian Crushing.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
Everybody, thank you guys.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
All right, there's the conversation Brian Cushing on the pregame
show on Sunday with Sean and Seth. Now coming up
Texans matchup with Johnny. You want to hear how he
previews the Jags game and goes over some of the
things that went well in the Broncos game with the
number one defense in the league owned by your Houston
Texans and all of our trade deadline talk is up
(46:39):
on this show in podcast form in just a few
moments on the Odyssey app so check it out there.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
Have a great night everyone, Go Texans.
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